From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 00:21:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13015 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13004 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA18970 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:21:24 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29569 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:21:24 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id IAA27625 for chat@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:58:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199610200658.IAA27625@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c To: chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:58:03 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from Tim Vanderhoek at "Oct 19, 96 09:04:18 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > > Yes, but it should be immediately aliased to /dev/null. > > Nah. Just throw in the Win95 CD-ROM and start a couple `mail > politics@freebsd.org < /dev/cd0a' processes on freefall. > > ;-) Ah, no! Poor freefall is already busy enough... :-) When i saw him (or her? ;) last month at my visit at WC CDROM, it was just one thing that made it distinct from all the other machines around: its SCSI bus activity LED was flickering all the time. Btw., what exactly is a CD-ROM you're describing as `Win95'? :^) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 08:25:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26174 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26169; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01496; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 10:25:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 10:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199610200226.TAA27716@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > X Inside, Inc is pleased to announce shipment of the first Common > Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD. The product is available > immediately and is based on OSF source 1.0.10. The X Inside distribution > is available on CD ROM from authorized resellers. If anyone gets this, could they report on performance? I've been playing around with it recently and like it, except it seems a little sluggish on the spiffy new UltraSparc box with bunches of I've been using. It makes we wonder what it would be like on my old 486dx33. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 09:18:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28524 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dyson.iquest.net ([198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28517; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.8.2/8.6.9) id LAA10989; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199610201618.LAA10989@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:18:18 -0500 (EST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, jmb@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Oct 20, 96 10:25:12 am Reply-To: dyson@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > X Inside, Inc is pleased to announce shipment of the first Common > > Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD. The product is available > > immediately and is based on OSF source 1.0.10. The X Inside distribution > > is available on CD ROM from authorized resellers. > > If anyone gets this, could they report on performance? I've been > playing around with it recently and like it, except it seems a > little sluggish on the spiffy new UltraSparc box with bunches of > I've been using. It makes we wonder what it would be like on my > old 486dx33. > When I get my pay from my new job situation, I think that I am going to order the entire suite from X-inside. I am tired of not having motif 2.0, and having CDE would simply be neat (I hope :-)). John From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 09:40:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29897 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29886 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vF0tY-000QogC; Sun, 20 Oct 96 17:38 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.2/8.6.12) id SAA13294; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:26:02 +0200 (MET DST) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199610201626.SAA13294@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: SLIP speed In-Reply-To: <6356.845665751@critter.tfs.com> from Poul-Henning Kamp at "Oct 18, 96 09:09:11 pm" To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:26:02 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > In message <199610181505.KAA02959@brasil.moneng.mei.com>, Joe Greco writes: >>> >Does anybody care to try 300 or 110 baud IP? :-) >>> >>> NO! Not again. I have tried that about 40 Mb too much. >> >> Are you referring to the speeds you get doing IP across the Atlantic, >> or did you really do 300 baud IP? :-) :-) :-) > > Yes, about 300baud from Mexico and Brazil to Denmark. > > Avg rate for ftp was about 300 bps :-( That's not too bad. I was in Korea in August, and when we could keep ftp running at all, we ran at about 4 bps. A weekend for a file. The transpacific lines must be the worst I have seen. > CAD drawings for a cement factory if you insist on knowing. No, I don't insist :-) Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 11:17:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA05787 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA05778; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01726; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610201817.LAA01726@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: dyson@freebsd.org cc: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), chat@freebsd.org, jmb@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:18:18 CDT." <199610201618.LAA10989@dyson.iquest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:18 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk X-inside does not sell CDE for Motif 2.0 :( Amancio >From The Desk Of "John S. Dyson" : > > On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > > X Inside, Inc is pleased to announce shipment of the first Common > > > Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD. The product is available > > > immediately and is based on OSF source 1.0.10. The X Inside distribution > > > is available on CD ROM from authorized resellers. > > > > If anyone gets this, could they report on performance? I've been > > playing around with it recently and like it, except it seems a > > little sluggish on the spiffy new UltraSparc box with bunches of > > I've been using. It makes we wonder what it would be like on my > > old 486dx33. > > > When I get my pay from my new job situation, I think that I am going > to order the entire suite from X-inside. I am tired of not having > motif 2.0, and having CDE would simply be neat (I hope :-)). > > John From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 15:16:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20808 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20797; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA11624; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Amancio Hasty cc: dyson@FreeBSD.org, jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), chat@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:17:18 PDT." <199610201817.LAA01726@rah.star-gate.com> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:16:20 -0700 Message-ID: <11622.845849780@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > X-inside does not sell CDE for Motif 2.0 :( > > Amancio They tell me that Motif comes *with* the CDE they're currently shipping as a FreeBSD product. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 15:27:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA21950 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21932; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA03111; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:26:41 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Amancio Hasty , dyson@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <11622.845849780@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > X-inside does not sell CDE for Motif 2.0 :( > > > > Amancio > > They tell me that Motif comes *with* the CDE they're currently shipping > as a FreeBSD product. Yes, but CDE is based on Motif 1.2 *not* 2.0, which effectively killed off any migration to 2.0 for the big names in Unix. I'm not exactly sure the magnitude of difference between 2.0 and 1.2+CDE. I do know that the 1.2+CDE has the spinbox and combobox widgets from 2.0. X-Inside's CDE apparently includes the standard 1.2 development stuff (includes, libraries, uil compiler, man pages). I suppose you could get 1.2 to co-habitate with 2.0, but it might be tricky. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 16:04:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA26504 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:04:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26494; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA11799; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:02:37 -0700 (PDT) To: John Fieber cc: Amancio Hasty , dyson@FreeBSD.org, chat@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:26:40 CDT." Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:02:37 -0700 Message-ID: <11797.845852557@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, but CDE is based on Motif 1.2 *not* 2.0, which effectively Ah, sorry - I was not aware of that (nor did the salesman go out of his way to point that out - he just said "You can buy Motif separate, or you can buy CDE which comes *with* it!" which made it sound like the alternative encompassed the same version of Motif). Sigh. I hated the OSF, now I get to hate the The Open Group. At least it's a bigger target. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 17:47:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07800 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:47:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07794; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:47:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199610210047.RAA07794@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkh Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD Cc: chat, dyson, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, jfieber@indiana.edu, jmb Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > They tell me that Motif comes *with* the CDE they're currently shipping What Amancio meant to say is that CDE is based on Motif 1.2, not Motif 2.0. So if it's Motif 2.0 that you really want, save your money and don't buy CDE. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 17:55:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08229 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08223; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199610210055.RAA08223@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jkh Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD Cc: chat Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Sigh. I hated the OSF, now I get to hate the The Open Group. At Actually, it's the fault of whomever wrote CDE, whose name I forget. The releaes schedule of CDE coincided with the release schedule of Motif 2.0 and the CDE development group decided not to switch Motif versions mid-development. OSF wanted them to switch. From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 19:21:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12362 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.io.org (post.io.org [198.133.36.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12347 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crunch.io.org (crunch.io.org [198.133.36.156]) by post.io.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA09137 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-CHAT-L Subject: Bogus rmgroups in news.* Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone else notice that someone forged rmgroups for news.admin.misc, news.groups, news.admin.net-abuse.misc and news.admin.net-abuse.announce? In there place, news.admin.meow, news.admin.net-scum and news.admin.cascade were newgrouped. They certainly look fake to me: rmgroup news.admin.misc by tale@uunet.uu.net Path: news1.io.org!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!gergs_bane.org!anon From: tale@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: control,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: cmsg rmgroup news.admin.misc Date: 20 Oct 1996 00:11:53 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: Control: rmgroup news.admin.misc Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Lines: 1 news.* reorganization -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org, taob@ican.net) Senior Systems and Network Administrator, Internet Canada Corp. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 19:44:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13982 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (slc93.modem.xmission.com [204.228.136.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA13976 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 19:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wes@localhost) by obie.softweyr.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA04462; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:45:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610210245.UAA04462@obie.softweyr.com> From: Wes Peters To: Jeffrey Hsu CC: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199610210055.RAA08223@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199610210055.RAA08223@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan Hubbard lamented: % Sigh. I hated the OSF, now I get to hate the The Open Group. At Jeffrey Hsu writes: > Actually, it's the fault of whomever wrote CDE, whose name I forget. > The releaes schedule of CDE coincided with the release schedule of > Motif 2.0 and the CDE development group decided not to switch > Motif versions mid-development. OSF wanted them to switch. In the true spirit of the OSF (which, by the way, stands for "Oppose Sun Forever" ;^) CDE was developed "by a cast of thousands." The UI libraries are motif (with DEC UIL), the programming toolkits HP, the tooltalk language from Sun, several user tools including E-mail from Sun, the window and session managers from HP. All of this was glued together by people from each of these companies and others. You're probably thinking of SAIC, but they were just the first company to ship and actual CDE release. You can't blame the entirety of CDE on SAIC or any other one company; to make a conglomeration of software that huge takes a number of multi-billion dollar companies. Comments on the quality of the CDE code I'll leave to those who use it regularly; the only reason I'm still using VUE in my HP at work is because I'm too lazy to buy the X11R6 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek and install it OVER VUE on my 712. I use XFree86 and ctwm here, where I live, and that suits me fine. I'm still looking for a good X mailer, but in the meantime Emacs Vmail works OK. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Oct 20 22:19:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA23413 for chat-outgoing; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA23404; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA02321; Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610210519.WAA02321@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: dyson@FreeBSD.org, jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber), chat@FreeBSD.org, jmb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SOFTWARE: Common Desktop Environment (CDE) for FreeBSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Oct 1996 15:16:20 PDT." <11622.845849780@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 22:19:37 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From The Desk Of "Jordan K. Hubbard" : > > X-inside does not sell CDE for Motif 2.0 :( > > > > Amancio > > They tell me that Motif comes *with* the CDE they're currently shipping > as a FreeBSD product. > > Jordan Well, they have various pricing . I bought their X server for $99 or close to that and no motif . You can buy motif for $150 or so with no CDE and if memory does not fail me their X, motif 1.2, CDE package sells for $259. I didn't buy their motif 1.2 + CDE package because I want and have motif 2.0 over here. I am sure that their sales represenative or Thomas can step in and clarify their pricing structure. Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 01:29:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA00264 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00259 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu [129.101.100.23]) by dworshak.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.1) with ESMTP id BAA02915; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (nawaz921@localhost) by waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu (8.7.5/1.0) id BAA28084; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199610210829.BAA28084@waldrog.cs.uidaho.edu> From: Faried Nawaz To: meditation@gnu.ai.mit.edu Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, hungry@hungry.com Subject: scheme-extensible nfs. Organization: People's Front Against WWW X-Real-Name: Faried Nawaz X-Address: Box 3582, Moscow, ID 83843-1914 X-Phone: +1 208 882 8896 X-Notice: Do not redistribute in any form without prior explicit consent of the author. Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: lord@emf.emf.net (Tom Lord) Subject: SNFS -- Scheme-extensible NFS Newsgroups: comp.lang.scheme Date: 20 Oct 1996 22:46:40 GMT Organization: emf.net -- Quality Internet Access. (510) 704-2929 (Voice) Path: news.uidaho.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!mr.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.emf.net!emf.emf.net!lord Lines: 63 Message-ID: <54ea4g$dj8@emf.emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.149.0.20 Because of the number of requests I've received for SNFS, the Scheme-extensible NFS server for Linux, I have decided to release a snapshot of the source code. Warning: This is snapshot-quality work. The manuals are incomplete so you will probably have to read both C and Scheme source code. You may find areas that are clearly "not done" even though I believe that the system is useful as it stands. This system is only known to work on Linux though who knows -- it may be portable elsewhere. Included in this release are: Systas Scheme: yet another Scheme interpreter derived from SCM. Systas Scheme is close to GNU Guile and some of us have been talking about ways to merge the two back into a single implementation. With Systas Scheme, you get both a C library, and a stand-alone interpreter. SNFS: a Linux user-space NFS server, modified so that it can be extended by writing Systas Scheme programs. Any file system trick you can perform with the GNU Hurd you should be able to perform with SNFS (although the Hurd should provide much better performance for user-space file systems). Various Scheme and C Libraries: included are Rx -- fast Posix pattern matching net -- Scheme code for ftp and pop3 clients lang -- Scheme code for lexical analyzers and shift-reduce parsing goonix -- Scheme code for managing processes Systas Scheme has features like: shared substrings -- a data structure that can help cut down on the amount of string-copying that Scheme programs do unix -- most of the Posix-specified system calls and many other libc functions are available from Systas Scheme pretty good performance -- SCM has many great performance characteristics (throughput, load-and-go latency, footprint) which Systas Scheme inherits cool non-hygenic macro system -- they may or may not be semantically ugly, but the low-level macros Systas inherits from SCM can do neat tricks modules -- we got fancy ones. Included is an Emacs lisp file to help make interactive programming with modules fun and easy. The sources are available by anonymous FTP from: emf.net:users/lord/systas-1.1.tar.gz From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 05:43:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA11039 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 05:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from troll.uunet.ca (troll.uunet.ca [142.77.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA11033 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 05:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by troll.uunet.ca with SMTP id <21005-29184>; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:43:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 08:43:07 -0400 From: Cat Okita To: Joerg Wunsch cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c In-Reply-To: <199610200658.IAA27625@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > Ah, no! Poor freefall is already busy enough... :-) When i saw him > (or her? ;) last month at my visit at WC CDROM, it was just one thing > that made it distinct from all the other machines around: its SCSI > bus activity LED was flickering all the time. ...at least the light was flickering - I'd have expected it to be on steady :> Cat From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 13:56:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11186 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11179 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:56:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA07958 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 13:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA02168 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:51:05 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA08779 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:51:05 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id WAA11025 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199610212024.WAA11025@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/db/hash hash_buf.c To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:24:09 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: from Cat Okita at "Oct 21, 96 08:43:07 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Cat Okita wrote: > > Ah, no! Poor freefall is already busy enough... :-) When i saw him > > (or her? ;) last month at my visit at WC CDROM, it was just one thing > > that made it distinct from all the other machines around: its SCSI > > bus activity LED was flickering all the time. > > ...at least the light was flickering - I'd have expected it to be on steady : Steadily flickering. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 21 22:27:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20239 for chat-outgoing; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamby1.lightside.net (hamby1.lightside.net [207.67.176.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20230 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jehamby@localhost) by hamby1.lightside.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA00334 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hamby1.lightside.net: jehamby owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:13:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Jake Hamby X-Sender: jehamby@hamby1 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Linux on a Disk? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here's a bizarre one: A company called Cosmos Engineering (www.cosmoseng.com) sells a product called "Linux on a Disk" which is an actual 1GB IDE hard drive with Linux preinstalled. The price is $259. Is it just me, or does that sound like a pretty peculiar way to install Linux? It won't even make the hard parts of installation (XF86Config, kernel config, network setup) any easier because they have no idea about the rest of the system it is going into! All I can say is... weird! -- Jake From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 00:57:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA09351 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09342 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 00:57:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (tom@caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA22309; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 04:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 03:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: Jake Hamby cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux on a Disk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Jake Hamby wrote: > Here's a bizarre one: A company called Cosmos Engineering > (www.cosmoseng.com) sells a product called "Linux on a Disk" which is an > actual 1GB IDE hard drive with Linux preinstalled. The price is $259. > > Is it just me, or does that sound like a pretty peculiar way to install > Linux? It won't even make the hard parts of installation (XF86Config, > kernel config, network setup) any easier because they have no idea about > the rest of the system it is going into! Bah! Linux users will buy anything. Print Linux on toilet paper and they'd buy it. Come to think of it, I'd like some Linux toilet paper... :-) ( covers up his FreeBSD coffee mug, t-shirt, mousepad, poster... ) +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 08:57:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07005 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA06998 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA00811; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199610221551.LAA00811@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Making a DOS Partition writeable To: nadav@barcode.co.il (Nadav Eiron) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <326C97A4.D2D@barcode.co.il> from "Nadav Eiron" at Oct 22, 96 11:45:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > There is a commercial DOS software package called PartitionMagic (see > http://www.powerquest.com) that costs about $50 and can edit partitions > without reformatting (it can shrink/expand DOS and HPFS partition and > move around many other types of partitions, though not FreeBSD yet - > maybe someone shoul talk to them as they support linux and SCO > partiotions). I never had a problem with it, and it is highly > recommended if you find yourself repartitioning disks often (once a year > is often enough for me). Are you sure the size linux partitions -- or just recognize them in the screen. I've used the program on OS/2 HPFS and DOS FAT with great success -- but it occasionally gives the same error message on mounting the resized partition that they're seeing with FIPS. (this is with v2.03)... Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com This message brought to you by the letters VAX and the numbers 11 and 780. From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 09:07:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07651 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (gatekeeper.barcode.co.il [192.116.93.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07642 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nadav@localhost) by gatekeeper.barcode.co.il (8.7.5/8.6.12) id SAA21450; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:06:35 +0200 (IST) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:06:35 +0200 (IST) From: Nadav Eiron To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making a DOS Partition writeable In-Reply-To: <199610221551.LAA00811@shell.monmouth.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > > > > There is a commercial DOS software package called PartitionMagic (see > > http://www.powerquest.com) that costs about $50 and can edit partitions > > without reformatting (it can shrink/expand DOS and HPFS partition and > > move around many other types of partitions, though not FreeBSD yet - > > maybe someone shoul talk to them as they support linux and SCO > > partiotions). I never had a problem with it, and it is highly > > recommended if you find yourself repartitioning disks often (once a year > > is often enough for me). > > Are you sure the size linux partitions -- or just recognize them in the > screen. > Haven't tried it, but I think it can *move* linux partitions. I'm pretty sure it can't resize them though. The same goes for NTFS. > I've used the program on OS/2 HPFS and DOS FAT with great success -- but > it occasionally gives the same error message on mounting the resized partition > that they're seeing with FIPS. (this is with v2.03)... I wouldn't know for sure, because I hardly ever access DOS partitions from FreeBSD. Most of the valuable information I have is on servers that run only one O.S., so I only resize partiotions when I want another O.S. on a client and I rarely need to access the other OS's partitions on the client as they usually contain just the bare necessaties for the client to function. > > Bill > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | 17 Meredith Drive, Tinton Falls, NJ 07724, > 908-389-3592 | pechter@shell.monmouth.com > This message brought to you by the letters VAX and the numbers 11 and 780. > Nadav From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 09:14:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07946 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07926 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05585 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 16:14:21 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA26101 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:13:51 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.0/keltia-uucp-2.9) id RAA15226; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:12:23 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610221512.RAA15226@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:12:22 +0200 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux on a Disk? References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.48.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2584 In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Arnold on Oct 22, 1996 03:58:35 -0400 Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Thomas Arnold: > ( covers up his FreeBSD coffee mug, t-shirt, mousepad, poster... ) Mousepad ? Where ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #25: Tue Oct 15 21:13:57 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 11:18:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA20914 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20908 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (tom@caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16294; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: Ollivier Robert cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux on a Disk? In-Reply-To: <199610221512.RAA15226@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Thomas Arnold: > > ( covers up his FreeBSD coffee mug, t-shirt, mousepad, poster... ) > > Mousepad ? Where ? I took the latest BSD Daemon artwork ( Daemon staring at Microsoft Wasteland it was I call it... :-) ) and got a friend to put it full color on a mousepad. I have been unable to contact all the artists and copyright holders to see about distributing them. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 13:06:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27393 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27367 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA24321; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:04:30 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA03023; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:04:29 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id VAA19022; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199610221949.VAA19022@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Screen savers for syscons.... To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:49:44 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: jlemon@americantv.com (Jonathan Lemon) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199610221411.OAA11477@right.PCS> from Jonathan Lemon at "Oct 22, 96 09:11:40 am" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > i missed something -- who's Chuck? > > > > The inofficial name for the BSD Daemon. However, Kirk McKusick, the > > copyright holder for him, cannot stand this name. > > So what does Kirk call him? Dunno. Don't think he's really got a name from Kirk. Ask him yourself if you are curious... ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 17:15:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17986 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17978 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA21206; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:44:08 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199610230014.JAA21206@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Terry's new habits... To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:44:08 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610222214.PAA08595@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Oct 22, 96 03:14:36 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > Who wouldn't kill to have a chance to peek into ~terry/.newsrc ? > > > > :-) > > I use rn, so it has all of the groups, most of them unsubscribed. > > Mostly FreeBSD, physics, legal, gnu, linux, and hard science groups, > if you are truly interested... No alt.sex.pictures.powerpc? I am truly disappointed 8) > Terry Lambert -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-8267-3493 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 22 17:22:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA18438 for chat-outgoing; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18433 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:22:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA08900; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:19:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199610230019.RAA08900@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Terry's new habits... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:19:24 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610230014.JAA21206@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Oct 23, 96 09:44:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Who wouldn't kill to have a chance to peek into ~terry/.newsrc ? > > > > > > :-) > > > > I use rn, so it has all of the groups, most of them unsubscribed. > > > > Mostly FreeBSD, physics, legal, gnu, linux, and hard science groups, > > if you are truly interested... > > No alt.sex.pictures.powerpc? I am truly disappointed 8) Must have missed that one... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 23 00:52:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA03962 for chat-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03918; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA21042; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:51:28 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA16076; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:51:28 +0200 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA24062; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:37:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199610230737.JAA24062@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: PR closing season... To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:37:03 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, bde@zeta.org.au, imp@village.org, pst@shockwave.com, gpalmer@freebsd.org (Gary Palmer) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <18599.846036725@orion.webspan.net> from Gary Palmer at "Oct 22, 96 10:12:05 pm" X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL17 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Gary Palmer wrote: > > Have you ever had a vendor tell you "Well, upgrade to version X.Y then!" > > > > So can we! > > Interesting task. Anyone see a 2.2 release lying around somewhere? I > don't.... Yesterday, on SCO's support page: ``The driver ... doesn't work on the following models: 3C590 [model number]. A new driver that fixes this will be available.'' Period. Will be available. (Moved to -chat.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 24 10:53:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09893 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu [128.120.56.188]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09884 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu Received: from kongur (kongur.cs.ucdavis.edu) by toadflax.cs.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD.CS.2.6) id AA00717; Thu, 24 Oct 96 10:52:44 PDT Received: by kongur (SMI-8.6/UCDCS.SECLAB.Solaris2-2.1) id KAA10502; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:52:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199610241752.KAA10502@kongur> Subject: [comp.mail.sendmail] Silly (ab)uses of sendmail (fwd) To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD misc chating list) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Pgp-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk With all the security problems we hear about all the time, I thought we could use a little humor with sendmail. Saw this and thought people might get a chuckle out it. -- David (obrien@cs.ucdavis.edu) Subject: Silly (ab)uses of sendmail From: mjs@atml.co.uk (Matthew Slattery) Newsgroups: comp.mail.sendmail As a bit of light relief from all the questions about virtual domains, check_* rulesets, and the like, I would like to present this: ----------snip---------- ################################################ ################################################ #### #### #### Simple calculator in sendmail.cf #### #### #### #### by Matthew Slattery #### #### #### #### version 0.03 (4th October 1996) #### #### #### ################################################ ################################################ # # Invoke as follows: # # /usr/lib/sendmail -bt -C # # ...where is this file. # # Then you should enter sums prefixed with "9 ", e.g. # # > 9 1+2 # > 9 20-6 # > 9 5*-4 # # More complex expressions (e.g. '1+2*3-4') work too. # # Addition (+), subtraction (-), multiplication (*, x or X), integer division # (/) and modulus (%) are supported. Brackets are not. Expressions are # evaluated strictly from left to right (i.e. no operator priorities). # # If numbers become to large, strange things may happen e.g. "Infinite # loop" or "Expansion too long" errors. With my sendmail, 100 recursive # calls is considered infinite, so a result of greater than 99 will cause # problems (but you can calculate with larger numbers -- "125-50" works). # # V5 Do.:%@!^/[]0123456789+-*xX CX 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 CY + - * / % ! CZ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 + - * / % S9 R$*x$* $1*$2 R$*X$* $1*$2 R$*$~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error $@ USAGE $: "Division by zero" R$*[$*]/[$*].$* $:$1[$2]/[$3!$3!].$4 R$*[$+]/[$*!$*!$*].$* $>4$1[$2]/[$3!$4!$5].$6 R$*[$*]/[$*!$*!$*].$* $@$1[$5]$6 R$*[$*!$*!$*].$* $@$1[$2]$5 R-[$*]%-[$*].$* $:[$1]%[$2].$3 R[$*]%-[$*].$* $:-[$1]%[$2].$3 R$*[$*]%[].$* $#error $@ USAGE $: "Division by zero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snip---------- Enjoy! -- Moderators accept or reject articles based solely on the criteria posted in the Frequently Asked Questions. Article content is the responsibility of the submittor. Submit articles to ahbou-sub@acpub.duke.edu. To write to the moderators, send mail to ahbou-mod@acpub.duke.edu. From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 24 16:26:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00218 for chat-outgoing; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xmission.xmission.com (softweyr@xmission.xmission.com [198.60.22.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00204 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 16:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from softweyr@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.8.2/8.7.5) id RAA04835; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:26:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Softweyr LLC Message-Id: <199610242326.RAA04835@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Terry's new habits... To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:26:07 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199610230014.JAA21206@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Oct 23, 96 09:44:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some sick individual asked: > Who wouldn't kill to have a chance to peek into ~terry/.newsrc ? Not me. I used to be his newsfeed, back in UUCP days. Not a pretty sight. The violence, the language, all those particles crashing into one another. Gack! Fizzix ain't pretty, folks. As an aside, and a minor embarrassment to Terry, the "lab rats" at Weber each used to have their own uid=0 account; the username for these acounts was the standard usersname with an "r" appended. I still snicker to think of a system run by a "terryr." ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.xmission.com/~softweyr softweyr@xmission.com From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 06:16:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA20234 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20224 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 06:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vGm7e-000QpsC; Fri, 25 Oct 96 14:16 MET Received: from allegro.lemis.de (grog@allegro.lemis.de [192.109.197.134]) by freebie.lemis.de (8.7.6/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA07509; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:59:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.8.2/8.6.9) id OAA01709; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:59:28 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199610251259.OAA01709@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Screen savers for syscons.... To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:59:27 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) In-Reply-To: <199610221949.VAA19022@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Oct 22, 96 09:49:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch writes: > > As Jonathan Lemon wrote: > > > > > i missed something -- who's Chuck? > > > > > > The inofficial name for the BSD Daemon. However, Kirk McKusick, the > > > copyright holder for him, cannot stand this name. > > > > So what does Kirk call him? > > Dunno. Don't think he's really got a name from Kirk. Ask him > yourself if you are curious... ;) Correct on both points. To quote: > Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 10:33:55 -0800 > From: Kirk McKusick > > A pictorial history of the daemon can be found at > http://www.zilker.net/users/beastie/index.html. Also, > he does not have a name. If he did have a name, it > certainly would not be Chuck! So, please do not > continue this Chuck travesty that Walnut Creek > CD-ROM started in their catalog! I always preferred bsdd myself, but Kirk doesn't like that either. Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 08:19:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26026 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26021 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA18751; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:14:09 -0700 (PDT) To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) Subject: Re: Screen savers for syscons.... In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Oct 1996 14:59:27 +0200." <199610251259.OAA01709@allegro.lemis.de> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:14:09 -0700 Message-ID: <18749.846256449@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > certainly would not be Chuck! So, please do not > > continue this Chuck travesty that Walnut Creek > > CD-ROM started in their catalog! > > I always preferred bsdd myself, but Kirk doesn't like that either. > > Greg And just to set the record straight, Walnut Creek CDROM did *not* start "that travesty" in their catalog. I first heard him referred to thusly when I worked at UCB back in '84 or so. Jordan From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 08:32:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26812 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26801 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Lehey Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vGoEm-000QpBC; Fri, 25 Oct 96 16:31 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.7.6/8.6.12) id RAA09168; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:30:58 +0200 (MET DST) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Message-Id: <199610251530.RAA09168@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: Screen savers for syscons.... In-Reply-To: <18749.846256449@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Oct 25, 96 08:14:09 am" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:30:58 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Chat) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: >>> certainly would not be Chuck! So, please do not >>> continue this Chuck travesty that Walnut Creek >>> CD-ROM started in their catalog! >> >> I always preferred bsdd myself, but Kirk doesn't like that either. >> >> Greg > > And just to set the record straight, Walnut Creek CDROM did *not* > start "that travesty" in their catalog. I first heard him referred > to thusly when I worked at UCB back in '84 or so. His words, not mine. In fact, that was the first I had heard of "Chuck". Greg From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 25 09:16:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA29404 for chat-outgoing; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA29398 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10682; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 10:16:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610251616.KAA10682@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey), joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, chat@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Chat) Subject: Re: Screen savers for syscons.... In-Reply-To: <18749.846256449@time.cdrom.com> References: <199610251259.OAA01709@allegro.lemis.de> <18749.846256449@time.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > certainly would not be Chuck! So, please do not > > > continue this Chuck travesty that Walnut Creek > > > CD-ROM started in their catalog! > > > > I always preferred bsdd myself, but Kirk doesn't like that either. > > > > Greg > > And just to set the record straight, Walnut Creek CDROM did *not* > start "that travesty" in their catalog. I first heard him referred > to thusly when I worked at UCB back in '84 or so. So Jordan introduced this 'travesty' at WC, so it continues today. It's all *YOUR* fault Jordan. :) :) :) Nate From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 10:55:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA15493 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:55:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15483 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14915; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 11:55:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199610261755.LAA14915@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: 220 DM == $??? Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's the approximate exchange rate for American $$ vs. Deutsch Marks? From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 12:14:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26359 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26339 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 12:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (jamie@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23707; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 220 DM == $??? In-Reply-To: <199610261755.LAA14915@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Nate Williams wrote: I think it's around 1.7 dm / dollar these days, but not entirely sure... > What's the approximate exchange rate for American $$ vs. Deutsch Marks? > > Jamie Bowden Network Administrator, TBI Ltd. From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 13:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA04803 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.xtalwind.net (slipper20b.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04784 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeus.xtalwind.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA06759; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) From: jack X-Sender: jack@localhost To: Nate Williams cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 220 DM == $??? In-Reply-To: <199610261755.LAA14915@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Nate Williams wrote: > What's the approximate exchange rate for American $$ vs. Deutsch Marks? According to gopher://una.hh.lib.umich.edu/00/ebb/monetary/noonfx.frb Date: October 01, 1996 FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK Value of Foreign Currencies ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Noon Buying Rates for Cable Transfer in N.Y. Value in Country Monetary Unit Foreign Currency Units ------- ------------- ------------------------ [snip] Germany Mark 1.5263 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Finger jacko@onyx.xtalwind.net or jack@xtalwind.net http://www.xtalwind.net/~jacko/pubpgp.html #include for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 26 18:55:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-chat Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27903 for chat-outgoing; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freenet.hamilton.on.ca (main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27898 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca [199.212.94.66]) by freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA29459 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ac199@localhost) by james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23291 for ; Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:57:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: james.freenet.hamilton.on.ca: ac199 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Vanderhoek To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Currency Conversion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-chat@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can't remember who it was who what the German Mark -> US dollar exchange rate was, but I was just browsing through my rather egregarious bookmark list and noticed http://www.olsen.ch/cgi-bin/exmenu, which may help you a lot. :) -- Outnumbered? Maybe. Outspoken? Never! tIM...HOEk