From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 00:19:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA01900 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:19:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01894 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:19:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA15313; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:18:54 -0800 To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:26:29 MST." <199602172026.NAA09397@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:18:54 -0800 Message-ID: <15311.824631534@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Over the past week, the volume on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc has been > eight times the volume of comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc and six times the > volume of comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc. > > Is it time to reorg the group? > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... I'm not sure that anyone but a madman would embark upon a hierarchy change at this point, but it certainly wouldn't be out of the question to discuss the creation of additional categories. .{questions,development} anyone? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 00:26:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA02130 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:26:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.aros.net (mailhub.aros.net [205.164.111.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA02125 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.aros.net (terra.aros.net [205.164.111.10]) by mailhub.aros.net (8.6.12/Unknown) with ESMTP id BAA11407; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:28:03 -0700 Received: (from angio@localhost) by terra.aros.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24207; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:26:50 -0700 From: Dave Andersen Message-Id: <199602180826.BAA24207@terra.aros.net> Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) To: Arjan.deVet@adv.IAEhv.nl (Arjan de Vet) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:26:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: taob@io.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602172208.XAA07502@adv.IAEhv.nl> from "Arjan de Vet" at Feb 17, 96 11:08:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Lo and behold, Arjan de Vet once said: > We have seen exactly these symptoms too. At one moment our main ISP > machine (2.0.5) hung almost every night between 2:06h and 2:07h. We had [...] > 2:07h when /etc/daily was running we moved /etc/daily from 02:00h to > 10:00h (when there's always somebody near the machine to reboot it) and > the nightly hangs disappeared. They happen once in while now, around 10:07 > :-((. But the real problem has not been found yet... If you want to track it down a bit more, put some log entries in the /etc/daily *and* the /etc/security files that just do: echo "Hey, we just cleaned preserver" >> /var/log/testlog echo "Hey, security just finished the find" >> /var/log/security (More legible entries would probably be better, but it's late). Off the top of my head, I'd suggest that the problem revolves around the disk I/O part of your system. The daily does some semi-heavy disk stuff when it nukes old logfiles, and security does a find on your locally mounted filesystems for setuid devices. I'm not sure how big your filesystems are, but it almost sounds like the hang is happening during that find. Of course, I'm not sure what to tell you to do about it. :-) -Dave Andersen -- angio@aros.net Complete virtual hosting and business-oriented system administration Internet services. (WWW, FTP, email) http://www.aros.net/ http://www.aros.net/about/virtual/ "There are only two industries that refer to thier customers as 'users'." From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 01:07:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA03720 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03715 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:07:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA27685; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:07:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199602180907.DAA27685@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Feb 1996 13:26:29 MST." <199602172026.NAA09397@phaeton.artisoft.com> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Compiler-Motto: Wintermute is dead. Long live Wintermute. Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:07:21 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk So, like Terry Lambert was saying to me just the other day: > Is it time to reorg the group? > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... Oh man! What an opportunity! Go for the total gusto and propose our own root level hierarchy! FSF did it. freebsd.* Coming soon to a news server near you, jdl PS -- OK, how about comp.freebsd.* instead. And just what would the "*" expand to here? kernel, ports, hackers, misc, philosophy, ban-linux :-) ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 01:22:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04417 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:22:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA04408 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 01:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA15225; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:21:47 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA02876; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:21:26 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA05315; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:12:34 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602180912.KAA05315@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2 questions. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:12:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Feb 17, 96 04:24:58 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jaye Mathisen wrote: > Did anybody put in some patches for the ep0 driver in the tree relating > to a timer problem? I supped -stable today, and I don't see anything > showing up. I remember somebody saying they were going to, but don't > remember who. revision 1.41 date: 1996/02/13 15:55:33; author: gibbs; state: Exp; lines: +35 -26 - Properly set the watchdog timer only during transmits. - Clean up the access to our ifnet structure by caching a pointer to it instead of always digging through our softc structure. Submitted by: Watchdog fixes by Serge A. Babkin However, this fix is only likely to also go into -stable if people send success stories. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:02:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA06341 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA06336 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0to5wR-000I7gC; Sun, 18 Feb 96 11:02 MET Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0to5NA-00000BC; Sun, 18 Feb 96 10:25 MET Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: Quick question on syscons.c To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:25:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602180527.QAA27533@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 18, 96 04:27:33 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Bruce Evans: > See also /sys/i386/isa/pcvt/pcvt_hdr.h, which also suffers from NIH Just for the record: no, pcvt does not suffer from NIH. Instead it suffers from the fact that at a time, when there was no FreeBSD, the bits in the header file were simply wrong, and a person some of you still know refused to change it. Some time later when the confusion was at its maximum and FreeBSD 1.0 alpha and NetBSD 0.8 appeared (btw, when scanning my archives, i found a text of Rod and Chris on how the merge is to be done ... ;-) ), i decided to make my own bit definitions to have them same, and this step was a good one at that time (for me. i simply had to care about one header file less which is a BIG plus if you have to deal with 2 core teams!). I have not looked for years at the NetBSD and FreeBSD versions of the file, but if the 2 core teams would agree on keeping them same, i'm the first to use it! hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:26:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07339 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ovid.com (adamp@psyche.ovid.com [198.242.117.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA07324 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by ovid.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/3.1.012693-Ovid Technologies Inc.); id AA27645 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:19:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Prato To: jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, nirva@zynet.com Subject: BT946C problems. Can you help? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello folks, I have spent a few hours trying to determine exactly what the problem is with my BT946C. The card is a revision E card with 4.25J firmware. I've searched www.freebsd.org and could not find a solid answer. I was wondering if you could help? I had a machine running 2.0.5 (off of the WC cd). It was running on an AMI EISA with a BT747C. The keyboard port died and I had to get a new MB, which turned out to be an AMI PCI. Thus I had to swap the EISA 747C for a PCI 946C. I was hoping that all that was involved was throwing in the card and booting up (well nothings ever *that* easy, so I expected to have to work). Now I cant seem to get this machine to work. Here's what problems I've encountered and my attempts to resolve them: - When I try to boot the machine, the boot manager simply does *not* load. If I use an adaptec 1542B, the boot manager loads (I dont have the adaptec drivers compiled in my kernel so thats all this will do). - When I try to boot off of a bootfloppy distributed with the 2.0.5 cd, the driver recognizes the card, reports the irq,dma,io, async only, parity, 32 mbxs, 32 ccbs, whatever else. The driver sees the hard disk, and then waits for the devices to settle down, shortly after, it comes back with a message - RAM Parity error, likey hardware error, please reboot. This same error happens with the 2.1.0-RELEASE boot.flp floppy (the error output is slightly different but basically the same error). - I've tried booting with linux boot/root floppies and they recognize the HD fine. - I've tried changing options on the card/drive such as [dis/en]abling parity, disabling fast and sync negotiation, changing dma's and disabling dma, whatever else I could try... - I'm pretty sure its a 'driver' problem because o Linux recognizes the HD fine. o I get no problems when I run verify the HD media with the verify command in Auto Scsi o The threads that I found when I searched the archives on www.freebsd.org for bt946. Now I'm not sure if the problem has been resolved, is in the process of being resolved, if the problem is a driver issue or a hardware issue. I heard there was a patch, but am not sure whats involved with applying it, or if it even exists. Thus I'm asking you folks if you have any idea what I can do. If you have some time, could you let me know where to look to get the machine rolling? Thanks in advance for your attention and help. Adam Prato Adam R. Prato connections: "Gotta Be careful, Network And Systems Admin adamp@ovid.com else your karma might Ovid Technologies Inc. (fon) 800.950.2371 x2324 run over your dogma." 5650 South Green Street (fax) 801.281.3697 -anon. heard through Murray, Utah 84123 (bp.) 801.241.4542 troy through tronzo From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:51:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08153 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08147 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA16364 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:40 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA03559 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:40 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA06542 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:37:14 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602181037.LAA06542@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:37:13 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <15311.824631534@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 96 00:18:54 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > Is it time to reorg the group? > > > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... Terry's favorite horse. :) No Terry, we are not UNIX(trashmark), but nevertheless, people used to categorize BSD as "unix" (not in capitals). > I'm not sure that anyone but a madman would embark upon a hierarchy > change at this point, but it certainly wouldn't be out of the question > to discuss the creation of additional categories. .{questions,development} > anyone? .misc is 99 % .questions .development is unneeded since development happens in mailing lists, not in Usenet. I'm all for a split, but judging from the traffic there, and from our experience with the comp.os.386bsd hierarchy, i have yet to see a good way that would also be accepted by the Usenet users (since they have to decide where to post). A split that just causes everybody to crosspost his question into 2 groups doesn't gain us anything. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:51:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08174 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08168 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA16382 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:46 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA03563 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA06523 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:29:23 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602181029.LAA06523@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Is "immutable" supposed to be a good idea? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:29:23 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602180608.RAA29273@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 18, 96 05:08:54 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > The immututable flags are always honoured. In secure mode, you can't > turn then off. In highly secure mode, you can write to the disk > directly to turn them off. You should not. INIT(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual INIT(8) NAME init - process control initialization 2 Highly secure mode - same as secure mode, plus disks are always read-only whether mounted or not. This level precludes tampering with filesystems by unmounting them, but also inhibits running newfs(8) while the system is multi-user. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:51:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08191 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08175 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA16377; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:44 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA03562; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:44 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA06465; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:25:11 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602181025.LAA06465@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: SD0 boot image question To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:25:11 +0100 (MET) Cc: festremera@shell.monmouth.com (Frank J Estremera) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Frank J Estremera" at Feb 17, 96 08:24:36 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Frank J Estremera wrote: > I have been succesful in configuring System Commander as my boot > manager with Windows95 on my IDE drive (wd0) and FreeBSD on my SCSI (sd0). > > My problem now is that when I select FreeBSD, sd1 is defaulting as > the boot drive instead of sd0. > Could someone explain how to compile & install a new boot image that > would point to sd0 instead of sd1 when wd0 exists? Pehaps your best bet is installing FreeBSD on sd1? :) That's easier than you think. Boot it from the floppy, then add controller scbus0 at disk sd1 at scbus0 target 0 to your config file. This forces the disk at target 0 on your first (:-) SCSI bus to be known as `sd1' instead of the default sd0 for FreeBSD. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 02:52:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA08247 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA08242 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 02:52:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA16368; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:41 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA03560; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:51:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA06216; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:20 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602181020.LAA06216@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Quick question on syscons.c To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:19 +0100 (MET) Cc: imp@village.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602180527.QAA27533@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 18, 96 04:27:33 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > >Can anybody comment on these differences and/or point me at a good and > >readily availble reference? Is there a good reference for all the > >"esoteric" PC things: DMA, Timer chips, interrupts, etc? > > I haven't seen one :-(. The standard response is always: Frank van Gilluwe: The Undocumented PC. Addison-Wesley 1993 ISBN 0-201-62277-7 Not that he's got everything right (for example, his argumentation about the head load and head unload scenario of the floppies is completely bogus, given that all "mini" and "micro" floppy drives load the head as soon as the floppy is inserted/locked), but it is in impressive collection of facts. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 03:30:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA10301 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA10295 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA16252; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:30:07 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:37:13 +0100." <199602181037.LAA06542@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 03:30:07 -0800 Message-ID: <16250.824643007@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > users (since they have to decide where to post). A split that just > causes everybody to crosspost his question into 2 groups doesn't gain > us anything. The man does have a point.. :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 04:55:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA13742 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 04:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA13736 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 04:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0to8dn-0003vlC; Sun, 18 Feb 96 04:54 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA07562; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:54:39 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Terry Lambert , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 00:18:54 PST." <15311.824631534@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:54:32 +0100 Message-ID: <7560.824648072@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Over the past week, the volume on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc has been > > eight times the volume of comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc and six times the > > volume of comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc. > > > > Is it time to reorg the group? > > > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... > > I'm not sure that anyone but a madman would embark upon a hierarchy > change at this point, [...] Isn't that exactly the case ? :-) Terry, get a grip! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 05:34:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14800 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA14794 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA05187; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:09:12 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602181339.AAA05187@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: using FreeBSD with POP at ISP To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:09:12 +1030 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602171823.TAA08929@yedi.iaf.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Feb 17, 96 07:23:16 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Wilko Bulte stands accused of saying: > > Maybe I should direct this to -questions but: Possibly... 8) > I'm setting up a network with the following components: 5x MS WFW3.11 > for Netscape client use, 5x Sun Sparcs for 'real' applics. One 386/40 > with FreeBSD 2.0.5R is used as a proxy server connecting the network > to the outside world using dialup user-PPP on a 28K8 modem. > > If you think this is overloading the PPP link you are probably correct, > but this is a low-budget technical youth club affair. And after the last > patches to user PPP it really works remarkably well and not too slow even. > > Now the question: the ISP runs Win NT servers (yikes, I know). Email is > normally handled using POP from the NT box to the ISP's client. As you > can guess, having 10 different clients hanging off a local proxy is > very non-typical for the ISP. What I need to do is making some sort > of POP connection from the proxy machine to the ISP, getting the > mail out and sendmailing it to the Suns and (probably??) POPing it > further to the WFW PCs. > > Is this feasible at all or just plain bogus? And if it's feasible > how to proceed? (sorry for quoting everything; context...) Put the Socks proxy server on the BSD box, and just connect the clients directly to the NT machine via it. Assuming you use Netscape for your mail interface, it's SOCKS capable, and it takes lots of processing load off your gateway. This also means you can hide the client machines on a fakenet, and still have "full" web access. > | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 08:20:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA20669 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA20664 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 08:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05842 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:39 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199602181620.LAA05842@rk.ios.com> Subject: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, We have this idea here of putting online multiple mail servers working off single NFS mounted partition. It's about 9Gb+ of /var/mail shared between 3-4 hosts ( we'll probably do round-robin DNS for them or will just have MX with same priorities to redistribute the load evenly). So the Big Question is: will it WORK ??? Will it be fast enough ( the thing should serve ~20.000 - 50.000 active e-mail accounts), will there be problems with locking mail-boxes for delivery and reading , what's gonna happen to the network , it there a sense in using 100Mb Ethernet, how stable is NFS code ? Is the idea usable at all for this amount of users ??? Is NIS+ of any use with this amount of accounts ? Any other newtworked file system to be used instead of NFS :)) ? If the thing will work, may be we will do the same with news system. Any expirience with things like that ? Does FreeBD support any of them RAID arrays ? Or the only way is to get one in H/W implementation ? Rashid -- ------------------ Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young In the world of magnets and miracles Our thoughts strayed constantly and without boundary The ringing of the division bell had begun ... -=PF, The Division Bell=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 09:48:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA24163 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24128 Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:47:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602181747.JAA24128@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Adam Prato cc: jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, nirva@zynet.com Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 05:19:11 EST." Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 09:47:59 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Hello folks, > > I have spent a few hours trying to determine exactly what the problem >is with my BT946C. The card is a revision E card with 4.25J firmware. I've >searched www.freebsd.org and could not find a solid answer. I was wondering if >you could help? > ... > >- When I try to boot the machine, the boot manager simply does *not* load. If >I >use an adaptec 1542B, the boot manager loads (I dont have the adaptec drivers >compiled in my kernel so thats all this will do). Disable extended translation on the new Buslogic card. These errors are always related to geometry differences, so if disabling the extended translation (support for DOS drives > 1 gig option) doesn't work, you may have to play some other games to get the geometry right so you ca boot off of it. >- When I try to boot off of a bootfloppy distributed with the 2.0.5 cd, the >driver recognizes the card, reports the irq,dma,io, async only, parity, 32 >mbxs, 32 ccbs, whatever else. The driver sees the hard disk, and then waits fo >r >the devices to settle down, shortly after, it comes back with a message - RAM >Parity error, likey hardware error, please reboot. This same error happens wit >h >the 2.1.0-RELEASE boot.flp floppy (the error output is slightly different but >basically the same error). It could be that the Buslogic is attempting to share an interrupt with another PCI card... assuming you have another PCI card in the system. Until 2.1-stable and 2.2-current, shared PCI interrupts were not supported for the bt driver. It may also be a dma channel conflict. I would suggest trying the driver in 2.1-stable if you can create boot media from it or can get a system up enough on your 1542B so you can genereate new kernels. With the 2.1-stable driver, you can disable all of the ISA compatibility features of the 946, and have the PCI BIOS do all of the setup for you (ie ISA dma channel/port address, etc). It could also just be that the I/O address, dma channel and IRQ defaulted to in the GENERIC 2.1R kernel are not appropriate for your setup. You might want to just try booting with '-c' and adjusting how the probe is performed. >Thanks in advance for your attention and help. > >Adam Prato > > >Adam R. Prato connections: "Gotta Be careful, >Network And Systems Admin adamp@ovid.com else your karma might >Ovid Technologies Inc. (fon) 800.950.2371 x2324 run over your dogma." >5650 South Green Street (fax) 801.281.3697 -anon. heard through >Murray, Utah 84123 (bp.) 801.241.4542 troy through tronzo -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 10:05:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA25030 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25025 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA17230; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:05:01 -0800 To: Rashid Karimov cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:39 EST." <199602181620.LAA05842@rk.ios.com> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: <17228.824666701@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > So the Big Question is: will it WORK ??? Multiple things trying to lock /var/spool over NFS? I don't think that I would do it. Some lockd work is apparently going on in -current right now, but I'd hardly bet a service on it yet. In a word: Argh! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 10:34:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26615 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26600 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA07941 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:36:35 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:36:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199602181836.NAA07941@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> This sort of thing has happened before with other 2.1.0-R machines >> here, but tonight was the first time I was able to get to the console >> of one before someone else rebooted it. >> >> Our web server is a P90 with 64 megabytes of RAM, running Apache >> 1.0.2. For no discernable reason, it stopped working tonight. >> "Stopped working" in that no TCP services were available, NFS clients >> that mounted a filesystem served from it hung in disk wait and no >> rwhod packets were being broadcast. >> >> You could telnet to various ports on it (indicating that inetd was >> still bound to those ports), but none of the services normally >> attached to those ports would run, including internal ones like >> chargen or daytime (indicating that inetd was blocked in some way). >> It wasn't fielding RPC requests either. The login prompt was still >> displayed on all the virtual consoles (I was still able to switch >> between them), but there was no response from the keyboard, as if the >> getty's had died off. The only sign of life was that it was returning >> pings from another machine. >> >> There were no telltale messages on the console, nor in the syslog. >> This server gets 250,000 to 300,000 hits per day. While it is >> running, it does not appear to be under any excessive load. There are >> typically 40 to 60 httpd's running. It exports a 4-gigabyte >> filesystem containing access logs to client machines so our customers >> can produce statistical reports. It also mounts 26 gigabytes of home >> directories from a central NFS server. >> >> Since there is no indication as to the source of the hang, is >> there anything I can run periodically from cron to help track down the >> problem? I can start tracking load averages, swap space usage, the >> output of vmstat, netstat, iostat and nfsstat if that will help. Any >> suggestions? > >I've seen similar hangs occasionally under both 2.0.5R and 2.1.0R and one >additional "thing" I've noticed is that processes that are completely >in-core appear to keep running (i.e. I had a "vmstat 1" running for a few >weeks and when the box I am thinking of locked up, the vmstat 1 was still >scrolling output, the box was ping-able, but any services that were not >entirely in-core or required other disk accesses were not available). >There is something to the "in-core" business because I have seen the same >box both continue to broadcast rwho and NOT broadcast rwho, presumably >determined by whether or not it was in-core.. The more i read about this, the more i think its gotta be memory allocation failures...no new processes but old ones and kernel stuff keeps on ticking...is there a logging funtion for these, or would logging attempts fail as well? dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous PC Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 10:57:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27906 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27898 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:57:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA10949; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:53:31 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602181853.LAA10949@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:53:31 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602180907.DAA27685@chrome.jdl.com> from "Jon Loeliger" at Feb 18, 96 03:07:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > freebsd.* > > Coming soon to a news server near you, > jdl > > PS -- OK, how about comp.freebsd.* instead. > And just what would the "*" expand to here? > kernel, ports, hackers, misc, philosophy, ban-linux :-) ? At the very least, .help .research .current and .advocacy? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 11:07:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28335 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (eldorado.net-tel.co.uk [193.122.171.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28327 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Received: (from root@localhost) by eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA25702 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:07:08 GMT X400-Received: by mta "eldorado" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Sun, 18 Feb 96 19:03:03 +0000 X400-Received: by mta "net-tel cambridge" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Sun, 18 Feb 96 19:03:01 +0000 X400-Received: by "/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"; Relayed; Sun, 18 Feb 96 19:03:01 +0000 X400-MTS-Identifier: ["/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/";hst:2350-960218190301-5002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Originator: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-Recipients: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 19:03:01 +0000 Content-Identifier: ppp packet filte Message-Id: <"arg-home2.net-te-0218190447-7BDC*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-Tel Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=Net-Tel/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ppp packet filter syntax changed? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I just tried upgrading one of our systems from 2.0.5 to 2.1.0R, and found that the packet filter rules we were using in /etc/ppp/ppp.conf didn't work anymore. In particular, a command such as: set ifilter 0 0/0 0/0 tcp estab which works on 2.0.5, has NO EFFECT now - it doesn't even set the rule to the wrong thing, it just leaves you with no rule at all (hence disabling all the other rules if you happened to do this at rule 0). There seem to have been a few changes in src/usr.sbin/ppp/filter.c from 2.0.5 to 2.1.0, mostly looking like they intend to allow ports to be specified by name rather than by number (the only change between 2.1.0R and -current is to fix a printf). Before I wade in and try to debug, has there been a deliberate change to the syntax that has rendered my configuration file obsolete, or is there simply a bug here? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 11:08:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28397 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28388 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10971; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:04:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602181904.MAA10971@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:04:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <16250.824643007@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 96 03:30:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > users (since they have to decide where to post). A split that just > > causes everybody to crosspost his question into 2 groups doesn't gain > > us anything. > > The man does have a point.. :-( OK. You've both convinced me. Let's go for moving comp.*.*.* into comp.*.* for a fist step. Then we can move comp.*.* into comp.* for a second step. Then we can move comp.* to comp in stage three. Over 18 months, I'm sure we can eliminate all crossposting entirely. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 12:23:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA01710 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01690 Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id VAA12746; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 21:00:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.gun.de (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02120; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:00:52 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199602181900.UAA02120@knobel.gun.de> Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch To: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:00:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602151344.WAA16411@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> from "Naoki Hamada" at Feb 15, 96 10:44:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hello, guys! > > I found mbuf's are not buffered though mclusters are. So here is my > patch for /sys/sys/mbuf.h. This seems to provide me slightly good > network performance. Did one of the core team members accept these patches officially ?! Will they go into -current ? Andreas /// > > -nao > > --- mbuf.h.orig Thu Feb 15 20:48:22 1996 > +++ mbuf.h Thu Feb 15 21:35:27 1996 > @@ -165,6 +165,8 @@ > /* > * mbuf allocation/deallocation macros: > * > + * MMALLOC(struct mbuf *m, int how, int type) > + * allocates an mbuf. > * MGET(struct mbuf *m, int how, int type) > * allocates an mbuf and initializes it to contain internal data. > * > @@ -172,8 +174,18 @@ > * allocates an mbuf and initializes it to contain a packet header > * and internal data. > */ > +#define MMALLOC(m, how, type) \ > + MBUFLOCK( \ > + if (mfree == 0) {\ > + MALLOC((m), struct mbuf *, MSIZE, mbtypes[type], (how)); \ > + } else { \ > + (m) = mfree; \ > + mfree = (m)->m_next; \ > + } \ > + ) > + > #define MGET(m, how, type) { \ > - MALLOC((m), struct mbuf *, MSIZE, mbtypes[type], (how)); \ > + MMALLOC((m), (how), (type)); \ > if (m) { \ > (m)->m_type = (type); \ > MBUFLOCK(mbstat.m_mtypes[type]++;) \ > @@ -186,7 +198,7 @@ > } > > #define MGETHDR(m, how, type) { \ > - MALLOC((m), struct mbuf *, MSIZE, mbtypes[type], (how)); \ > + MMALLOC((m), (how), (type)); \ > if (m) { \ > (m)->m_type = (type); \ > MBUFLOCK(mbstat.m_mtypes[type]++;) \ > @@ -270,7 +282,10 @@ > MCLFREE((m)->m_ext.ext_buf); \ > } \ > (nn) = (m)->m_next; \ > - FREE((m), mbtypes[(m)->m_type]); \ > + MBUFLOCK ( \ > + (m)->m_next = mfree; \ > + mfree = (m); \ > + ) \ > } > #endif > > @@ -358,6 +373,7 @@ > }; > > #ifdef KERNEL > +struct mbuf *mfree; > extern struct mbuf *mbutl; /* virtual address of mclusters */ > extern char *mclrefcnt; /* cluster reference counts */ > struct mbstat mbstat; > -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 12:30:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02102 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ovid.com (adamp@psyche.ovid.com [198.242.117.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02097 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by ovid.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/3.1.012693-Ovid Technologies Inc.); id AA122105 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:23:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Prato To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, nirva@zynet.com Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? In-Reply-To: <199602181747.JAA24128@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > Disable extended translation on the new Buslogic card. These errors are > always related to geometry differences, so if disabling the extended > translation (support for DOS drives > 1 gig option) doesn't work, you > may have to play some other games to get the geometry right so you ca > boot off of it. I have a thread of messages from JKH about this as well. This really sounds like a strong possibility. However, if this is the case, why do I have the *same* error with another drive (let me elaborate). I have an HP 97549 (T100) that I had *no* idea whether or not was dead or not. At first I just plugged it in to see what the boot disk would say. It gave the *same* error. > It could be that the Buslogic is attempting to share an interrupt with > another PCI card... assuming you have another PCI card in the system. > Until 2.1-stable and 2.2-current, shared PCI interrupts were not supported > for the bt driver. It may also be a dma channel conflict. I would > suggest trying the driver in 2.1-stable if you can create boot media > from it or can get a system up enough on your 1542B so you can genereate > new kernels. With the 2.1-stable driver, you can disable all of the > ISA compatibility features of the 946, and have the PCI BIOS do all > of the setup for you (ie ISA dma channel/port address, etc). All I have in the machine at this point is video and scsi card. The floppy is built into the motherboard. The motherboard also has lpt1,com1,com2 build in as well. I'll check this out. I tried changing PCI slots, different/NO dma on the bt946, I turned on/off >1GB support (my two hd's are 1.05 and 1.18GB drives). > > It could also just be that the I/O address, dma channel and IRQ defaulted > to in the GENERIC 2.1R kernel are not appropriate for your setup. You > might want to just try booting with '-c' and adjusting how the probe > is performed. the kernel accurately reports the settings of the card when it boots up. Every time I change them, the kernel reports the changes. I will try and set the kernel up with the proper settings when it boots. Another reason why I feel it is some weird kernel/driver problem is because the linux boot/root disks work fine (is this a sign?). Also, with the second HP, I have the same error, and I recently lowleveled it, so now its totally blank. How would I be able to reinstall freebsd if I wanted to? I have a blank HD and don't have any geometry issues to really worry about, yet the boot.flp floppy will not let me boot passed the bt0 driver. Thanks for the response, I'll try these ideas right now. adam From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 12:35:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02484 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02479 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from newzetor.clinet.fi (root@newzetor.clinet.fi [194.100.0.11]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.7.3/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA27161; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:35:14 +0200 (EET) Received: (hsu@localhost) by newzetor.clinet.fi (8.7.3/8.6.4) id WAA00993; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:35:03 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:35:03 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199602182035.WAA00993@newzetor.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: Arjan.deVet@adv.IAEhv.nl (Arjan de Vet) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Arjan.deVet@adv.IAEhv.nl's message of 18 Feb 1996 00:22:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland References: <199602172208.XAA07502@adv.IAEhv.nl> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199602172208.XAA07502@adv.IAEhv.nl> Arjan.deVet@adv.IAEhv.nl (Arjan de Vet) writes: In article you write: > This sort of thing has happened before with other 2.1.0-R machines >here, but tonight was the first time I was able to get to the console >of one before someone else rebooted it. > You could telnet to various ports on it (indicating that inetd was >still bound to those ports), but none of the services normally >attached to those ports would run, including internal ones like >chargen or daytime (indicating that inetd was blocked in some way). >It wasn't fielding RPC requests either. The login prompt was still >displayed on all the virtual consoles (I was still able to switch >between them), but there was no response from the keyboard, as if the >getty's had died off. The only sign of life was that it was returning >pings from another machine. [...] This has been happening with -current all the time. It also happened when we tried to run -stable at the time 2.1R was released. > Since there is no indication as to the source of the hang, is >there anything I can run periodically from cron to help track down the >problem? I can start tracking load averages, swap space usage, the >output of vmstat, netstat, iostat and nfsstat if that will help. Any >suggestions? We have seen exactly these symptoms too. At one moment our main ISP machine (2.0.5) hung almost every night between 2:06h and 2:07h. We had all kinds of programs running from cron like the ones you suggest but we could not find anything strange. But because it always happened around 2:07h when /etc/daily was running we moved /etc/daily from 02:00h to 10:00h (when there's always somebody near the machine to reboot it) and the nightly hangs disappeared. They happen once in while now, around 10:07 :-((. But the real problem has not been found yet... We get these at random intervals, though the more load the more often it happens. Frequency for the news/user server is once per day, for user only server about twice a week, and less pounded servers once per a couple of weeks. Dedicated servers don't seem to have much trouble. Routers don't seem to crash at all. I don't think this is hardware, it happens on all machines, and we have quite random collection of hardware. Mostly ASUS with random inserts of MSI or Intel motherboards and lots of various 386/486 motherboards. SCSI systems seem to be more prone to deadlocking but this does not necessarily mean anything as all loaded machines are generally with SCSI. I guess I would need to hire a full-time FreeBSD hacker to be able to run FreeBSD in this scale :-( -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-0-4375360 fax -4555276 home -8031121 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 12:41:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02693 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02687 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from newzetor.clinet.fi (root@newzetor.clinet.fi [194.100.0.11]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.7.3/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA27275; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:41:23 +0200 (EET) Received: (hsu@localhost) by newzetor.clinet.fi (8.7.3/8.6.4) id WAA01110; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:41:17 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:41:17 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199602182041.WAA01110@newzetor.clinet.fi> From: Heikki Suonsivu To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-reply-to: J Wunsch's message of 17 Feb 1996 10:26:45 +0200 Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) Organization: Clinet Ltd, Espoo, Finland References: <199602170804.JAA08102@uriah.heep.sax.de> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In article <199602170804.JAA08102@uriah.heep.sax.de> J Wunsch writes: Hmm, we've also experienced these symptoms at sax.sax.de (small local non-commercial ISP), and i admit that i've basically been suspecting hardware in the first place. Your reports make me nervous however that it might be software. The system is plain 2.0.5R. If it were software, it would happen with specific set of hardware. We see it on all machines here. Brian, if you got physical access to the box, try placing a simple card into the PC that hooks ISA pins A1/B1 to a pushbutton. Pushing it will cause an NMI (``IO channel check condition''), hopefully leaving you a coredump. Anyone with a good source of ready-made cards? This might not help, we often find things being locked up when they try to write the coredump. Our machine is located in an mostly operator-less machine room at the University, i've already been playing with the idea to build a watchdog card that lowers the IOCHCK signal (and finally gives up 5 minutes later and issues a RESET). Someone proposed an interrupt-level software watchdog. I proposed a crash button on keyboard (almost always the keyboard driver is still there). -- Heikki Suonsivu, T{ysikuu 10 C 83/02210 Espoo/FINLAND, hsu@clinet.fi mobile +358-40-5519679 work +358-0-4375360 fax -4555276 home -8031121 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 12:48:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02955 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02944 Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:48:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602182048.MAA02944@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Adam Prato cc: jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, nirva@zynet.com Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:23:12 EST." Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 12:48:41 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> Disable extended translation on the new Buslogic card. These errors are >> always related to geometry differences, so if disabling the extended >> translation (support for DOS drives > 1 gig option) doesn't work, you >> may have to play some other games to get the geometry right so you ca >> boot off of it. > >I have a thread of messages from JKH about this as well. This really sounds >like a strong possibility. However, if this is the case, why do I have the >*same* error with another drive (let me elaborate). I have an HP 97549 (T100) >that I had *no* idea whether or not was dead or not. At first I just plugged i >t >in to see what the boot disk would say. It gave the *same* error. The translation problem won't affect the parity error your seeing, but will determine whether or not you can boot from your hard drive instead of the boot floppy. >> It could be that the Buslogic is attempting to share an interrupt with >> another PCI card... assuming you have another PCI card in the system. >> Until 2.1-stable and 2.2-current, shared PCI interrupts were not supported >> for the bt driver. It may also be a dma channel conflict. I would >> suggest trying the driver in 2.1-stable if you can create boot media >> from it or can get a system up enough on your 1542B so you can genereate >> new kernels. With the 2.1-stable driver, you can disable all of the >> ISA compatibility features of the 946, and have the PCI BIOS do all >> of the setup for you (ie ISA dma channel/port address, etc). > >All I have in the machine at this point is video and scsi card. The floppy is >built into the motherboard. The motherboard also has lpt1,com1,com2 build in a >s >well. I'll check this out. I tried changing PCI slots, different/NO dma on the >bt946, I turned on/off >1GB support (my two hd's are 1.05 and 1.18GB >drives). And you ensured that the kernel config for the bt driver matched these settings every time? In 2.1R, the bt driver used an ISA probe to find the BT cards, so it cannot change its irq or dma channel on the fly like new pci probe can even if the driver does properly report what the card is set too. >Another reason why I feel it is some weird kernel/driver problem is because th >e >linux boot/root disks work fine (is this a sign?). Also, with the second HP, I >have the same error, and I recently lowleveled it, so now its totally blank. >How would I be able to reinstall freebsd if I wanted to? I have a blank HD and >don't have any geometry issues to really worry about, yet the boot.flp floppy >will not let me boot passed the bt0 driver. I'm sure that it is mismatched configuration settings. Boot with -c and set them up correctly to match your hardware and I bet the card will work. Its most likely the irq since the driver polls during the initial probe and doesn't require the irq to be set correctly to work during that phase of the boot process. >Thanks for the response, I'll try these ideas right now. > > >adam -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 13:12:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA03981 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ovid.com (adamp@psyche.ovid.com [198.242.117.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03974 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by ovid.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/3.1.012693-Ovid Technologies Inc.); id AA04718 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:05:19 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:05:19 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Prato To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, nirva@zynet.com Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? In-Reply-To: <199602182048.MAA02944@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > And you ensured that the kernel config for the bt driver matched these > settings every time? In 2.1R, the bt driver used an ISA probe to > find the BT cards, so it cannot change its irq or dma channel on the fly > like new pci probe can even if the driver does properly report what the > card is set too. If you were here, I'd show ya that I'm not seeing things. I didn't understand why when I changed pci slots, the IRQ changed. But when it was in the first slot it came up as irq 10, the second it was irq 11, and third it was irq 12. However now, I changed the cmos settings and set all ports except 11 to ISA, now whatever slot its in, it reports as irq 11. Also the DMA on the card is still off. > > I'm sure that it is mismatched configuration settings. Boot with -c and > set them up correctly to match your hardware and I bet the card will work. > Its most likely the irq since the driver polls during the initial probe > and doesn't require the irq to be set correctly to work during that > phase of the boot process. Doing that now. (was about to send this and then send another with an update but I'm sure you would all rather that I didnt). Here is what happens now: Same thing. Here is what I did - Disabled all IRQ's for PCI in the CMOS setup, thus forcing it to use irq 11. If I let it probe, it returns the correct values of drq 5 and irq 11 - it then proceeds to give me a parity error. If I try and boot the kernel -c, then set 'irq bt0 11' 'drq bt0 5', it boots, gets to the bt0 driver, and gives the same error. If I were to use a boot floppy with a different kernel, would this help my problem at all? Adam From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 13:37:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05790 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:37:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05785 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA08031; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:35:12 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602182135.PAA08031@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: BSD/OS 2.1 To: hsu@clinet.fi (Heikki Suonsivu) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:35:11 -0600 (CST) Cc: dennis@etinc.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602172006.WAA11931@cantina.clinet.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Feb 17, 96 10:06:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > In article <199602151844.NAA00492@etinc.com> dennis@etinc.com (dennis) writes: > I've finished installing the new release of BSD/OS....which by the way is rather > ... > I'd like to benchmark it against freebsd and perhaps publish the results (if > they're > favorable, of course )...can anyone point me at some good, portable, widely > accepted benchmark utilities. Obviously network-related stuff is of interest > > Allow 50-100 users to log in and use anything they want, including > installing new software (non-root) and run it, and tell us how long the > thing stays up. For large site use, it is the one and only benchmark. IMHO that is silly. That is not a benchmark, in any way, shape, or form. Users do not produce repeatable results. This is fine as a stress test, a reliability test, but it is not a benchmark. A benchmark is taking a test and repeating it under controlled conditions on controlled hardware. Typically you try to retain as much similarity between the variables as possible (i.e. FreeBSD vs. Linux, but both on the same hardware platform). If you do not do this, the results are meaningless (i.e. FreeBSD vs. Linux, Linux on a P90 and FreeBSD on a 386sx/16). The benchmark can be arbitrarily complex (i.e. run a Web server on a router) as long as there is some useful conclusion to be drawn and the benchmarks are run in a meaningful way. For what it's worth, as often as I tend to have differences of opinions with Dennis, I think it's a good thing that somebody is LOOKING at BSD/OS and seeing what's going on. I for one would be very interested in any relative comparisons. (Thanks in advance for any results, Dennis!) Mind you, I'm not saying somebody shouldn't stress test it, I'm just saying that that's not a benchmark at all.. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 13:39:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA05922 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05914 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id PAA08039; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:37:37 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602182137.PAA08039@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:37:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602180907.DAA27685@chrome.jdl.com> from "Jon Loeliger" at Feb 18, 96 03:07:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > So, like Terry Lambert was saying to me just the other day: > > Is it time to reorg the group? > > > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... > > Oh man! What an opportunity! Go for the total gusto > and propose our own root level hierarchy! FSF did it. > > freebsd.* Hey, Linux did it. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 14:17:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08196 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from guppy.pond.net (guppy.pond.net [205.240.25.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08190 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from crew@localhost) by guppy.pond.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA08807; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:17:02 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:17:02 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Paul Adelman To: hackers@freeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to configure X11 (X11Config) my problem is the config info for the ADI microscan 3e and Stealth64 Graphics 2001 PCI are not in the provided libraries so if any one can tell me where to get 'em or if someone has them it would be very helpful if they would pass that information on. -Steven P. Adelman crew@guppy.pond.net http://www.pond.net/~crew From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 14:21:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08319 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08310 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:21:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA17954; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:20:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199602182220.PAA17954@rover.village.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Quick question on syscons.c Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:20:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:20:52 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : Frank van Gilluwe: The Undocumented PC. : Addison-Wesley 1993 : ISBN 0-201-62277-7 : : Not that he's got everything right (for example, his argumentation : about the head load and head unload scenario of the floppies is : completely bogus, given that all "mini" and "micro" floppy drives load : the head as soon as the floppy is inserted/locked), but it is in : impressive collection of facts. Went down to the tattered cover. I found this an another book. I'll let the list know which is better. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 14:26:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08630 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08619 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA17965; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:24:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199602182224.PAA17965@rover.village.org> To: Joe Greco Subject: Re: News group split time? Cc: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger), terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:37:36 CST Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:24:20 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : Hey, Linux did it. Linux did it as a transport for their mailing lists, which are on machines that are hopelessly overloaded.... Let's not create a freebsd top level hierarchy until all hope of bsd unifitication is completely and totally deal. Right now it is mostly and apparently dead, but you never know how things like OpenBSD might change things. No, I don't know anything only these lines. Just saying that newsgroups at this level might make a merge even harder than it is today. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 14:28:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08759 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:28:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA08752 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id XAA23052; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:27:14 +0100 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.bowtie.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02852; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:13:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199602181213.NAA02852@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Philippe Regnauld cc: hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Subject: Re: Thot word processor In-reply-to: regnauld's message of Fri, 16 Feb 1996 02:02:10 +0100. <199602160102.CAA04830@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:13:09 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I don't remember who mentioned Thot -- anyway, I tried it, it runs, but when > you try to create or open any document: > > Undefined C library functions: > 1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.) > > ... and dies quietly. > > -- Phil > You need a newer Linux library, unfortunately all new libraries are QMAGIC, but you need ZMAGIC libraries. Does anyone have an idea how to get to new ZMAGIC libaries??? Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 15:01:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA10435 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA10421 Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:01:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA28875; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:01:05 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA09907; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:01:05 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id XAA08915; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:57:42 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602182257.XAA08915@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: EEPROM-reader for 9346 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:57:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, in order to fiddle with a few ethernet cards here, i had a need to build a small program that allows me to read/write industry-standard 9346 EEPROMs. These are small 8-pin DIL or SO parts that can be found on modems, ethernet cards etc. in order to store soft configurations. The device is interfaced to a Centronics printer port with the help of a couple of additional parts (basically, a line driver and a voltage doubler to create the required Vcc). The program performs direct IO on the printer port, bypassing the kernel privilege mechanism by using /dev/io. If there is interest in the program, i'm willing to make it a "port". (NB: i'm not on freebsd-hardware.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 15:21:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11381 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11369 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA29226 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:21:45 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA09985 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:21:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id AAA09217 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:17:07 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602182317.AAA09217@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:17:07 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602182041.WAA01110@newzetor.clinet.fi> from "Heikki Suonsivu" at Feb 18, 96 10:41:17 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Heikki Suonsivu wrote: > Hmm, we've also experienced these symptoms at sax.sax.de (small local > non-commercial ISP), and i admit that i've basically been suspecting > hardware in the first place. Your reports make me nervous however > that it might be software. The system is plain 2.0.5R. > > If it were software, it would happen with specific set of hardware. We see > it on all machines here. We don't have a stack of hardware there. We have to buy our hardware ourselves. :) This is one of the infamous 40-MHz-VLB boards (though the VLB is not actually used), and the logs show sig 10's and sig 11's all over the place, about twice a weak. We didn't even notice this for the first time however, since nobody complained. I've stumbled across it while looking up other things in the kernel message logfile. (Well, i love FreeBSD's logging of abnormal signals!) So this explains why i've been thinking of hardware first... (Watchdog issuing NMI) > This might not help, we often find things being locked up when they try to > write the coredump. Well, if it's only a memory resource allocation problem, coredumping should still work. > Our machine is located in an mostly operator-less machine room at the > University, i've already been playing with the idea to build a > watchdog card that lowers the IOCHCK signal (and finally gives up 5 > minutes later and issues a RESET). > > Someone proposed an interrupt-level software watchdog. I proposed a crash > button on keyboard (almost always the keyboard driver is still there). The machine doesn't have a keyboard at all. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 15:22:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA11403 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11243 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab11895; 18 Feb 96 17:24 GMT Received: from wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk ([194.70.221.1]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09636; 18 Feb 96 17:20 GMT Received: from 192.153.153.24.webfactory.co.uk (kiss.demon.co.uk [158.152.97.57]) by wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23666 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:20:04 GMT Message-Id: <199602181720.RAA23666@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Phil Taylor Organization: Lan Systems To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:12:04 +0000 Subject: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks Reply-to: phil@zipmail.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just reading the March issue of SCO World 8-( and I came across an interesting section entitled new products. One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! quoting the article : The gateway includes BSDI's 32-bit BSD/OS and enables PC users to run Winsock 1.1-compliant Internet applications such as e-mail, WWW browsers, FTP, telnet and newsreaders, without a TCP/IP stack or IP address for each desktop. ? I can only assume that they use a windoze based iptunnel or similar program to achieve this, does anyone else know anything about this ? Obviously they could proxy web/ftp on the server but how could it work unless each connection is actually made using the IP address of the BSD/OS machine and tunnelled through IPX ???? Could be useful if we had something like this in FBSD (or are the IPX people working on it ?) as you could connect a whole network with a single IP address and not lose access to the IP based services that cannot 'easily' be proxied. Cheers Phil /* Phil Taylor (phil@zipmail.co.uk) LAN Systems - LAN/WAN Specialists */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 15:34:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12074 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12065 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 15:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab11895; 18 Feb 96 17:24 GMT Received: from wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk ([194.70.221.1]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa09636; 18 Feb 96 17:20 GMT Received: from 192.153.153.24.webfactory.co.uk (kiss.demon.co.uk [158.152.97.57]) by wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA23666 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:20:04 GMT Message-Id: <199602181720.RAA23666@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Phil Taylor Organization: Lan Systems To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:12:04 +0000 Subject: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks Reply-to: phil@zipmail.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just reading the March issue of SCO World 8-( and I came across an interesting section entitled new products. One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! quoting the article : The gateway includes BSDI's 32-bit BSD/OS and enables PC users to run Winsock 1.1-compliant Internet applications such as e-mail, WWW browsers, FTP, telnet and newsreaders, without a TCP/IP stack or IP address for each desktop. ? I can only assume that they use a windoze based iptunnel or similar program to achieve this, does anyone else know anything about this ? Obviously they could proxy web/ftp on the server but how could it work unless each connection is actually made using the IP address of the BSD/OS machine and tunnelled through IPX ???? Could be useful if we had something like this in FBSD (or are the IPX people working on it ?) as you could connect a whole network with a single IP address and not lose access to the IP based services that cannot 'easily' be proxied. Cheers Phil /* Phil Taylor (phil@zipmail.co.uk) LAN Systems - LAN/WAN Specialists */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 17:20:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17235 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17223 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cod.connix.com (cod.connix.com [205.246.96.249]) by comet.connix.com (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA15373; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:20:12 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:20:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199602190120.UAA15373@comet.connix.com> X-Sender: cod@connix.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Steven Paul Adelman From: "C. O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk At 02:17 PM 2/18/96 -0800, Steven Paul Adelman wrote: >I am trying to configure X11 (X11Config) my problem is the config info >for the ADI microscan 3e and Stealth64 Graphics 2001 PCI are not in the >provided libraries so if any one can tell me where to get 'em or if someone >has them it would be very helpful if they would pass that information on. > > If I recall, the Stealth64 Graphics chipset is a ARK2000PV. As of a few months ago the only driver for this was the Hercules Stingray 64 which runs under the VGA server (XF86_VGA16 ???). Chuck From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 17:58:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18885 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18879 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:58:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07695; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:33:16 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602190203.MAA07695@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Multidrop serial (422/485) driver available for FTP. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:33:15 +1030 (CST) Cc: pc012@sequeb.gov.au, kelly@fsl.noaa.gov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As promised last week, the 422/485 driver is available for FTP : ftp://genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au/pub/mdsio-a1.tar.gz Included are installation instructions and source; you will need 2.1R or -stable to use it at this point in time. Please drop me a line if you do anything with it 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 18:09:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA19658 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19645 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA07762; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:43:37 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602190213.MAA07762@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: rashid@rk.ios.com (Rashid Karimov) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:43:36 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602181620.LAA05842@rk.ios.com> from "Rashid Karimov" at Feb 18, 96 11:20:39 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Rashid Karimov stands accused of saying: > > We have this idea here of putting online multiple > mail servers working off single NFS mounted partition. > It's about 9Gb+ of /var/mail shared between 3-4 hosts > ( we'll probably do round-robin DNS for them or will > just have MX with same priorities to redistribute > the load evenly). Is your current mailserver overloaded? Have you been able to identify the bottleneck(s)? Is it really compute power that's the limitation? I'm kinda skeptical here, unless you are receiving _lots_ of mail. Going for a multinode arrangement will increase your compute power and (possibly) your network bandwidth, but it won't help the setup/knockdown time for connections and it will decrease your disk bandwidth. > So the Big Question is: will it WORK ??? Er. You might have to fiddle sendmail to lock mailboxes in an alternative fashion. > Will it be fast enough ( the thing should serve ~20.000 - 50.000 > active e-mail accounts), will there be problems with locking > mail-boxes for delivery and reading , what's gonna happen > to the network , it there a sense in using 100Mb Ethernet, > how stable is NFS code ? NFS locking isn't yet supported. Your network will potentially be plastered with lots of NFS traffic in addition to the mail. What counts as 'active'? If we assume that 5 mails a day is 'average', at 50 000 users that's about three a second. I'd say that's well within the capacity of a medium-sized mailserver (but I'd want to test it to be sure 8) If you get this thing running, make sure you put something up on the Web about it; a mailserver that size must be a pretty rare beast. > If the thing will work, may be we will do the same with news > system. For news, you want one machine hosting the news, and a number of NFS clients running readers only. Don't try to run your news databases across NFS, it's just too slow. > Does FreeBD support any of them RAID arrays ? Or the only way is > to get one in H/W implementation ? The ccd driver may well be up to running news - Joe Greco? > Rashid -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 18:24:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA20500 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20494 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:24:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id SAA02369; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:24:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 18:24:32 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: "C. O'Donnell" cc: Steven Paul Adelman , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: <199602190120.UAA15373@comet.connix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, C. O'Donnell wrote: > At 02:17 PM 2/18/96 -0800, Steven Paul Adelman wrote: > >I am trying to configure X11 (X11Config) my problem is the config info > >for the ADI microscan 3e and Stealth64 Graphics 2001 PCI are not in the > >provided libraries so if any one can tell me where to get 'em or if someone > >has them it would be very helpful if they would pass that information on. > > > > > > If I recall, the Stealth64 Graphics chipset is a ARK2000PV. As of a > few months ago the only driver for this was the Hercules Stingray 64 > which runs under the VGA server (XF86_VGA16 ???). > > Chuck > That would most likely be XF86_SVGA. Or a specialized server for ARK chips. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Layne coredump@nervosa.com. IRC: hexonyx http://www.nervosa.com./~coredump From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 20:04:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA25540 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25523 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:03:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0toMNe-000858C; Sun, 18 Feb 96 21:35 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0toMB5-000C7fC; Sun, 18 Feb 96 21:22 WET Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 21:22 WET To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Sun Feb 18 1996, 21:22:14 CST Subject: Re: Is "immutable" supposed to be a good idea? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [4]I vaguely remember that some of these flags were not supposed to [4]come into effect until the system went into multi-user mode.. [6]Bruce Evans writes: [6]No, see the init man page. Unfortunate. I think we should propose changing maintenance mode to run at level -1 (or make level 0 not enforce immutable), so that system recoveries can be performed. If your system is screwed-up and you are trying to restore it, nobody is going to be able to build a special run-maint-mode-at-level -1 kernel just for that occasion. Maintenance mode should be just that: all knobs exposed. [5]That would be OK *if* we waited until the system was all the way up [5]before going into that mode. In my case, fsck bombed and [5]offered me a sh. The system is apparently already in this [5]"secure" mode at that point. [6]By default, the system is always in insecure mode (security level -1; [6]use `sysctl kern.securelevel' to see the level). See above. The average sysadmin trying to recover a system is going to run into this nonsense again and again. [5]The same was true if I booted -s. By the time I got a shell, [5]the system was honoring the immut flag. [6]The immututable flags are always honoured. In secure mode, you can't [6]turn then off. In highly secure mode, you can write to the disk [6]directly to turn them off. Ok, then why as I stated in the very first posting was "Clearing /tmp" able to get rid of directories with files that were immutable that I had shifted into /tmp, but when I tried to do it myself in maintenance mode, I could not? If immutable is honored all the time, "Clearing /tmp" would also fail to get rid of these files, yes? Supposedly rc runs at level 0 or even level 1. /etc/rc shows nothing more powerful than a rm -rf command. How was it done? This is easily demonstratable. [5]If secure mode is something we turn on during the boot process, [6]You'd be really unhappy if we turned on secure mode :-). Undoubtedly, but we were not talking about what you call secure mode. I call that "very-secure mode" aka 2, and is not what was set here. What we had was a stock system, running pretty much with the off-the-CD configuration, ie, as secure as it is when we ship it. So this "very-secure mode" wasn't involved. Plain secure is "1". This thread started when I was simply trying to find out why maintenance mode or "FSCK CAN'T FIX IT, *YOU* FIX IT" mode from fsck (both 0 level in init-ese) can't be allowed to clean up botched files without having to have /usr mountable (that's where we hide chflags this week), and why standard recovery tools like restore, tar and cpio aren't able to report that their restores aren't actually restoring the files you expect them to restore. These questions remain completely unanswered. [4]I don't think these flags should be noticed till root decides to go [4]'secure' [5]I agree. [6]I disagree. The problem is that the immutable flags are set by default [6]on systems that will never run in secure mode. This provides some [6]protection against root doing stupid things, but very little security. Then why on Earth do we set them on the standard system? Why not have a "paranoid-permissions" file that you apply if you want your system to be unmaintainable, ie, more secure. [6]The immutable flags aren't much use for protecting binaries and [6]libraries anyway. Root can bypass them by moving the directory out of [6]the way. Only their contents is protected. Protecting contents is [6]useful for log files, but log files aren't immutable or append-only by [6]default. As I said in the original post, if it wasn't for being able to use "mv" in that fashion, I would have had to nuke the entire system to recover when the shared libraries got corrupted, and restore would not replace the immutable-but-corrupted copies, and wouldn't say that it wasn't doing this. Took quite a while to figure out that it was lying to me. If seems there is agreement after all: o The applications should either list the files that can't be restored or extracted, or SHOULD BE ABLE TO extract/restore over an immutable file in maintenance mode (Level 0) or some other set of criteria WITHOUT having to build a level -1 kernel first, o These and other files shouldn't be immutable in the first place on the bulk of the systems out there. Partly because it makes sysadmin more difficult, and partly because it provides false security. I'll fix restore to nuke & replace immutable files automatically *if* someone would guarantee that some approved version of the changes would be allowed into the release tree. (No point if there is some religious reason for not doing this.) I would prefer that the definition of maintenance mode be changed to not enforce immutable BY DEFAULT. If someone wants a more paranoid system, then that someone should be required to recompile and bump the maintenance mode security level up to 0, not the other way around. This immutable stuff can't possibly be a POSIX thing, so there should be no technical reason for fixing this, only religious reasons. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | Same thing we do every night - ^------(this is the fastest route)| Try to make Microsoft unhappy." or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 20:13:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA25769 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25764 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:13:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id WAA08332; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:04:22 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602190404.WAA08332@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:04:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602190213.MAA07762@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 19, 96 12:43:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Rashid Karimov stands accused of saying: > > > > We have this idea here of putting online multiple > > mail servers working off single NFS mounted partition. > > It's about 9Gb+ of /var/mail shared between 3-4 hosts > > ( we'll probably do round-robin DNS for them or will > > just have MX with same priorities to redistribute > > the load evenly). > > Is your current mailserver overloaded? Have you been able to identify > the bottleneck(s)? Is it really compute power that's the limitation? > I'm kinda skeptical here, unless you are receiving _lots_ of mail. > Going for a multinode arrangement will increase your compute power and > (possibly) your network bandwidth, but it won't help the setup/knockdown > time for connections and it will decrease your disk bandwidth. > > > So the Big Question is: will it WORK ??? > > Er. You might have to fiddle sendmail to lock mailboxes in an alternative > fashion. > > > Will it be fast enough ( the thing should serve ~20.000 - 50.000 > > active e-mail accounts), will there be problems with locking > > mail-boxes for delivery and reading , what's gonna happen > > to the network , it there a sense in using 100Mb Ethernet, > > how stable is NFS code ? > > NFS locking isn't yet supported. Your network will potentially be > plastered with lots of NFS traffic in addition to the mail. > > What counts as 'active'? If we assume that 5 mails a day is 'average', > at 50 000 users that's about three a second. I'd say that's well within > the capacity of a medium-sized mailserver (but I'd want to test it to be > sure 8) > > If you get this thing running, make sure you put something up on the Web > about it; a mailserver that size must be a pretty rare beast. Personally, I am somewhat skeptical that there isn't a better way to do this. NFS is traditionally just about the worst way to do mail, IMHO. However, a more detailed explanation of the environment and desired result would be needed. > > If the thing will work, may be we will do the same with news > > system. > > For news, you want one machine hosting the news, and a number of NFS > clients running readers only. Don't try to run your news databases > across NFS, it's just too slow. NFS clients running readers? I disagree..! You are not lowering the I/O demands on the server disks at all. Run slaves :-) > > Does FreeBD support any of them RAID arrays ? Or the only way is > > to get one in H/W implementation ? > > The ccd driver may well be up to running news - Joe Greco? ccd works fine, I have not tested more than two disks striped, more than one ccd device, or a partition > 8GB, but I do have 2-drive 4GB and 8GB partitions running on news.sol.net and daily-planet.execpc.com, very reliable. news.sol.net has actually STOPPED crashing because it's no longer running out of disk space every few days :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 20:51:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA28865 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28446 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA08872; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:22:33 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602190452.PAA08872@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:22:32 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602190404.WAA08332@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Feb 18, 96 10:04:22 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Joe Greco stands accused of saying: > > > > For news, you want one machine hosting the news, and a number of NFS > > clients running readers only. Don't try to run your news databases > > across NFS, it's just too slow. > > NFS clients running readers? I disagree..! You are not lowering the I/O > demands on the server disks at all. Run slaves :-) Urk, good point. Forget I ever suggested it! > ccd works fine, I have not tested more than two disks striped, more than one > ccd device, or a partition > 8GB, but I do have 2-drive 4GB and 8GB > partitions running on news.sol.net and daily-planet.execpc.com, very > reliable. news.sol.net has actually STOPPED crashing because it's no longer > running out of disk space every few days :-) Yay! > ... Joe -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 22:08:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA04470 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandor.dev.com (mandor.dev.com [198.145.93.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04459 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mandor.dev.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mandor.dev.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA10557; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:03:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602190603.WAA10557@mandor.dev.com> To: Heikki Suonsivu cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:03:34 PST From: Brian Smith Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I hope I didn't misquote someone after cutting this down. Heikki Suonsivu writes: >J Wunsch writes: > Brian, if you got physical access to the box, try placing a simple > card into the PC that hooks ISA pins A1/B1 to a pushbutton. Pushing > it will cause an NMI (``IO channel check condition''), hopefully > leaving you a coredump. > >Anyone with a good source of ready-made cards? I hate to suggest this, since it is both risky and a dangerous hack, but if you can get the case off, and have a paper clip, an NMI is just a moment away. Bend the paper clip into a wedge shape at the end, then short the two ISA "pins" closest to the rear end of the PC. Don't try this at home, then blame me if it fries your motherboard! I have done it many a time myself, but I certainly can't guarantee it. It's those pesky endless loops after "cli". Paper clip drawing (don't laugh!): --------------------\ \ / ----/ Except, make it more pointy, so that it fits into the card slot, and makes good connection. Slot: +-------------+ +------------------------------------a+ | | | | +-------------+ +------------------------------------b+ Short the last two pins a and b ---------------------^ The other Brian, Brian brians@mandor.dev.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 22:46:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05893 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05887 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA18794; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:43:43 -0800 To: phil@zipmail.co.uk cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:12:04 GMT." <199602181720.RAA23666@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:43:43 -0800 Message-ID: <18792.824712223@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell > networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, > but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used > for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no > tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! Yep! A few people tell me that Novell admins love this since it lets them keep their networks "pure" - no icky TCP/IP frames on their lovely little IPX networks (and, of course, the clients don't need to run TCP/IP stacks). I think it would definitely be a well-regarded feature for FreeBSD if we supported TCP/IP encapsulation like this. I don't know how much work is involved, but.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 18 23:08:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA06808 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06637 Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA16444; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:53:28 +1100 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:53:28 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602190653.RAA16444@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Subject: Re: Is "immutable" supposed to be a good idea? Cc: wollman@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [Quoting lots for Garrett to see] >[4]I vaguely remember that some of these flags were not supposed to >[4]come into effect until the system went into multi-user mode.. >[6]Bruce Evans writes: >[6]No, see the init man page. Actually, the security handling does change for multi-user mode if kern.securelevel is 0, but the default is kern.securelevel = -1. >Unfortunate. I think we should propose changing maintenance mode to >run at level -1 (or make level 0 not enforce immutable), so that system >recoveries can be performed. If your system is screwed-up and you are This was done 18 months ago: === RCS file: /a/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_sysctl.c,v Working file: /sys/kern/kern_sysctl.c head: 1.59 ... ---------------------------- revision 1.6 date: 1994/08/10 02:41:09; author: wollman; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Change default security level to -1, so that users don't get bitten by upcoming makefile change. ---------------------------- === >trying to restore it, nobody is going to be able to build a special >run-maint-mode-at-level -1 kernel just for that occasion. >Maintenance mode should be just that: all knobs exposed. Securelevel -1 isn't such a mode. >[6]The immututable flags are always honoured. In secure mode, you can't >[6]turn then off. In highly secure mode, you can write to the disk ^ not >[6]directly to turn them off. >Ok, then why as I stated in the very first posting was "Clearing /tmp" >able to get rid of directories with files that were immutable that >I had shifted into /tmp, but when I tried to do it myself in maintenance >mode, I could not? If immutable is honored all the time, "Clearing /tmp" >would also fail to get rid of these files, yes? Supposedly rc runs >at level 0 or even level 1. /etc/rc shows nothing more powerful than a >rm -rf command. How was it done? This is easily demonstratable. "Clearing /tmp" should fail if there are system-immutable files in /tmp. It fails here. >This thread started when I was simply trying to find out why maintenance >mode or "FSCK CAN'T FIX IT, *YOU* FIX IT" mode from fsck (both 0 level >in init-ese) can't be allowed to clean up botched files without having to >have /usr mountable (that's where we hide chflags this week), and why >standard recovery tools like restore, tar and cpio aren't able to report >that their restores aren't actually restoring the files you expect them >to restore. They don't report restoral because they fail with an "Operation not permitted" error. They should report this (tar does). They fail because the schg bit is set. The schg bit is set because someone considered it important for them to fail. I probably overemphasizied the security aspects in my previous mail. The point of schg'ing /usr/lib/libc.so.* is mainly to protect it from overwrites. >[4]I don't think these flags should be noticed till root decides to go >[4]'secure' >[5]I agree. >[6]I disagree. The problem is that the immutable flags are set by default >[6]on systems that will never run in secure mode. This provides some >[6]protection against root doing stupid things, but very little security. >Then why on Earth do we set them on the standard system? Why not >have a "paranoid-permissions" file that you apply if you want your system >to be unmaintainable, ie, more secure. For most cases it's because 4.4lite sets them and no one has cared enough to make them easy to manage or actually work. For libc.so.* and ld.so, they are set to prevent overwrites. >[6]The immutable flags aren't much use for protecting binaries and >[6]libraries anyway. Root can bypass them by moving the directory out of >[6]the way. Only their contents is protected. Protecting contents is >[6]useful for log files, but log files aren't immutable or append-only by >[6]default. >As I said in the original post, if it wasn't for being able to use "mv" >in that fashion, I would have had to nuke the entire system to recover >when the shared libraries got corrupted, and restore would not replace >the immutable-but-corrupted copies, and wouldn't say that it wasn't doing >this. Took quite a while to figure out that it was lying to me. So the most serious bug is that `restore' doesn't report errors? >If seems there is agreement after all: >o The applications should either list the files that can't be restored > or extracted, or SHOULD BE ABLE TO extract/restore over > an immutable file in maintenance mode (Level 0) or some other set > of criteria WITHOUT having to build a level -1 kernel first, I think that the extract/restore/copy programs should continue to know nothing about the file flags (except perhaps to generate better error messages) and that chflags(8) should be put in /sbin and on the standard fixit disk. >o These and other files shouldn't be immutable in the first place > on the bulk of the systems out there. Partly because it makes > sysadmin more difficult, and partly because it provides false > security. >I'll fix restore to nuke & replace immutable files automatically *if* >someone would guarantee that some approved version of the changes would >be allowed into the release tree. (No point if there is some religious >reason for not doing this.) >I would prefer that the definition of maintenance mode be changed to not >enforce immutable BY DEFAULT. If someone wants a more paranoid system, >then that someone should be required to recompile and bump the maintenance >mode security level up to 0, not the other way around. No. If you don't want any immutable files, then don't set any immutable flags. Perhaps this should be the default even for security-related files. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 00:06:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09278 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09271 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id AAA02478; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:05:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: phil@zipmail.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks In-Reply-To: <18792.824712223@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I think it would definitely be a well-regarded feature for FreeBSD if > we supported TCP/IP encapsulation like this. I don't know how much > work is involved, but.. > > Jordan > Isn't it just simple network tunneling with TCP/IP encapsulation into an IPX packet? Basically the souce and dest sites know how to unencapsulate, but the IPX medium doesn't care because it's a valid IPX packet. IPX: now there's an invention we all love =P ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Layne coredump@nervosa.com. IRC: hexonyx http://www.nervosa.com./~coredump From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 00:14:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09829 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09822 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA14508 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:58 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13033 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:58 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id IAA11229 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:56:10 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602190756.IAA11229@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Multidrop serial (422/485) driver available for FTP. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:56:09 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602190203.MAA07695@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 19, 96 12:33:15 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > As promised last week, the 422/485 driver is available for FTP : > > ftp://genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au/pub/mdsio-a1.tar.gz Any interest/chance/permission to get this into -current? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 00:14:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09845 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09824 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA14504 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:57 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13030 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:56 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id IAA11203 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:54:54 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602190754.IAA11203@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Is "immutable" supposed to be a good idea? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:54:54 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Frank Durda IV" at Feb 18, 96 09:22:00 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Frank Durda IV wrote: > Unfortunate. I think we should propose changing maintenance mode to > run at level -1 All our systems run at: j@uriah 364% sysctl kern.securelevel kern.securelevel: -1 by now. Even multi-user. > [6]By default, the system is always in insecure mode (security level -1; > [6]use `sysctl kern.securelevel' to see the level). > > See above. The average sysadmin trying to recover a system is going > to run into this nonsense again and again. You could have used fsdb(8) in your case. It lives under /sbin now, and you can even drop it into a 2.1R system (that's why i've put it into /xperimnt there). > [6]You'd be really unhappy if we turned on secure mode :-). > > Undoubtedly, but we were not talking about what you call secure mode. Nope. I think even securelevel==1 would screw any current systems. It prevents programs from writing to /dev/mem, so you can expect things like an Xserver to no longer run. > ... and why > standard recovery tools like restore, tar and cpio aren't able to report > that their restores aren't actually restoring the files you expect them > to restore. > > These questions remain completely unanswered. You've got fsdb. I admit that restore should handle it, however. > I would prefer that the definition of maintenance mode be changed to not > enforce immutable BY DEFAULT. > This immutable stuff can't possibly be a POSIX thing, so there should be > no technical reason for fixing this, only religious reasons. It would move us away from the 4.4BSD standard. So we should only change the definition of securelevels if all other 4.4BSD parties (NetBSD, [OpenBSD, ] BSD/OS) agree to do the same. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 00:14:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09955 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09923 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA14513; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:00 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13034; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:00 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id IAA11248; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:58:58 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602190758.IAA11248@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:58:58 +0100 (MET) Cc: rashid@rk.ios.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602190213.MAA07762@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 19, 96 12:43:36 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > So the Big Question is: will it WORK ??? > > Er. You might have to fiddle sendmail to lock mailboxes in an alternative > fashion. Sendmail has no deal with mailboxes. It's /usr/libexec/mail.local. You could perhaps use elm's dot-file locking scenario on NFS, though this requires setgid binaries. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 00:49:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12285 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12280 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 00:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA16343 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:49:45 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA13206 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:49:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA11590 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:37:02 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602190837.JAA11590@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:37:01 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602190603.WAA10557@mandor.dev.com> from "Brian Smith" at Feb 18, 96 10:03:34 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Smith wrote: > > > Brian, if you got physical access to the box, try placing a simple > > card into the PC that hooks ISA pins A1/B1 to a pushbutton. > >Anyone with a good source of ready-made cards? > I hate to suggest this, since it is both risky and a dangerous hack, > but if you can get the case off, and have a paper clip, an NMI is just > a moment away. The point was that this has to happen automagically in our case, since the machines are servers running absolutely unattended. (You've missed the part about the watchdog card between the first and second quote above.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 01:45:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA15196 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:45:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15188 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00518; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:10:16 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602190940.UAA00518@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Multidrop serial (422/485) driver available for FTP. To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:10:16 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602190756.IAA11229@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Feb 19, 96 08:56:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch stands accused of saying: > > > > As promised last week, the 422/485 driver is available for FTP : > > > > ftp://genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au/pub/mdsio-a1.tar.gz > > Any interest/chance/permission to get this into -current? Naturally; I just don't have a -current system with the required hardware to test it (yet). Speaking of permission, I should have made it clear that the driver is under a BSD copyright, and once a few other people are using it I'd be happy to see it committed. > cheers, J"org -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 01:48:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA15534 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.pa-consulting.com (ns.pa-consulting.com [193.118.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15523 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM by ns.pa-consulting.com (8.6.4) id JAA01421; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:56:06 GMT Received: by SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM with Microsoft Mail id <3128B8B5@SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM>; Mon, 19 Feb 96 09:51:49 PST From: Duncan Barclay To: freebsd-hackers Subject: amd and NFS kernel module Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 09:10:00 PST Message-ID: <3128B8B5@SMTPGATE.PA-CONSULTING.COM> Encoding: 23 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear All Over the weekend I decided to try and get amd to help me mount floppies. After reading the manuals and understanding it I got down to work but it didnt. After a while it dawned on me that amd uses nfs, ergo one needs nfs in the kernel, as I run a standalone machine I dont have nfs compiled into my kernel. Ahh I thought what about the nfs lkm? Does it load using modload...no panic after panic after panic. However all was not lost, run mountd or nfsd or nfsiod and the lkm is installed correctly. So patch up amd to check for nfs and load the module if it is not there. Shall I post this as a patch, or is it already in 2.1 and greater? Duncan Barclay #include From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 02:37:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA18534 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA18528 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 02:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA08331 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:38:44 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199602191038.DAA08331@hemi.com> Subject: omagic executables To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:38:44 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm wondering if it is possible to create and run an OMAGIC executable under FreeBSD 2.x. The goal is to create a self- modifying executable. My (lame) attempt to simply pass -Wl,-N to the linker gets me a `Wrong architecture' complaint when trying to run the program (`file' says it's a PDP-11 binary.) Any other hints on how to have a writable text segment (or simulating such behavior) is greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 03:53:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21996 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:53:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21637 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:47:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA16184 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:38:21 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Mon, 19 Feb 96 14:38:21 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00526; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:17:58 +0300 (MSK) To: hackers@freebsd.org, Frank Durda IV References: In-Reply-To: ; from Frank Durda IV at Sun, 18 Feb 96 21:22 WET Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:17:58 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.42 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: Is "immutable" supposed to be a good idea? Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message Frank Durda IV writes: >If seems there is agreement after all: >o The applications should either list the files that can't be restored > or extracted, or SHOULD BE ABLE TO extract/restore over > an immutable file in maintenance mode (Level 0) or some other set > of criteria WITHOUT having to build a level -1 kernel first, You don't need to build separate kernel, just issue some sort of sysctl. >I'll fix restore to nuke & replace immutable files automatically *if* >someone would guarantee that some approved version of the changes would >be allowed into the release tree. (No point if there is some religious >reason for not doing this.) You need to fix *all* backup/restore utils too: tar, cpio, pax, it is false way. Better way is to have one command that change kernel secure level to *less* secure, i.e. to level which ignores immutable bits meaning completely. It maybe some sysctl shortcut or something similar. It can be automatically turned on for single user mode, so you even didn't notice it. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 06:12:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25725 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25717 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id XAA16832; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:00:27 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.7.3/6.4J.5) id XAA01330; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:09:23 +0900 (JST) From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199602191409.XAA01330@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:09:22 +0900 (JST) Cc: adamp@ovid.com, jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, nirva@zynet.com In-Reply-To: <199602182048.MAA02944@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Feb 18, 96 12:48:41 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oops, He has a bt946C changing from bt747c. But my suggestion will not change either pci/eisa ;-) Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 06:15:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25792 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from specgw.spec.co.jp (specgw.spec.co.jp [202.32.13.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25777 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (uucp@localhost) by specgw.spec.co.jp (8.6.5/3.3Wb-SPEC) with UUCP id WAA16606; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:49:17 +0900 Received: by tama.spec.co.jp (8.7.3/6.4J.5) id WAA01167; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:56:25 +0900 (JST) From: Atsushi Murai Message-Id: <199602191356.WAA01167@tama.spec.co.jp> Subject: Re: BT946C problems. Can you help? To: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:56:24 +0900 (JST) Cc: adamp@ovid.com, jkh@cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, nirva@zynet.com In-Reply-To: <199602182048.MAA02944@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Feb 18, 96 12:48:41 pm Reply-To: amurai@spec.co.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > And you ensured that the kernel config for the bt driver matched these > settings every time? In 2.1R, the bt driver used an ISA probe to > find the BT cards, so it cannot change its irq or dma channel on the fly > like new pci probe can even if the driver does properly report what the > card is set too. I don't think so. His Bt is 747C for EISA bus, right? Even *ISA probe*, Just only I/O port is correct, bt driver can get a correct IRQ information from cards and using it. (See device bt lines in GENERIC conf. PCI bus may remap a these resources without notic to card as you say.) > I'm sure that it is mismatched configuration settings. Boot with -c and > set them up correctly to match your hardware and I bet the card will work. > Its most likely the irq since the driver polls during the initial probe > and doesn't require the irq to be set correctly to work during that > phase of the boot process. Same reason as above. As far as I can tell you as follows, 1. If you enabel write back cache, try to turn off(write through) in BIOS(?) ) 2. Do Auto SCSI(tm) "DMA Test" both write back/thourgh cache. 3. Check SCSI bus termination, Each end of cable should has a terminater. 4. I have experience VLB Video Card do memory corruption with bt747s on AMI Enterprise IV. -> Change a Video Card. Atsushi. -- Atsushi Murai Internet: amurai@spec.co.jp System Planning and Engineering Co,.Ltd. Voice : +81-33833-5341 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 06:16:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25900 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25894 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.208]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18023; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7/8.7) id JAA30716; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:54 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: Marc van Kempen cc: Philippe Regnauld , hackers Subject: Re: Thot word processor In-Reply-To: <199602181213.NAA02852@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > I don't remember who mentioned Thot -- anyway, I tried it, it runs, but when > > you try to create or open any document: > > > > Undefined C library functions: > > 1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.) > > > > ... and dies quietly. > > > > -- Phil > > > You need a newer Linux library, unfortunately all new libraries > are QMAGIC, but you need ZMAGIC libraries. > > Does anyone have an idea how to get to new ZMAGIC libaries??? I have spoken with a friend who runs Linux, and he says if we tell him exactly what we want, he can probably get it. He's not a beginner, either, but I can't tell him, I know nothing about Linux and I haven't tried any Linux emulation myself. If you guys can send me a message describing what you need, exactly, well, let's see what he can do, OK? > > Regards, > Marc. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology > Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases > tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 > fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 06:16:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25941 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25936 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA29261; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:09 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: Michael Smith cc: Rashid Karimov , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed In-Reply-To: <199602190213.MAA07762@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Actually, it's not a good idea to do lots of nfs locking on SUNs, much less freebsd. Direct experience with 16 or more nodes locking files on one server shows that even solaris 2.x still won't do it right. You need to think of a different way to go. ron Ron Minnich |" XNFPREP: ERROR 4007: rminnich@sarnoff.com | Everything in the design was deleted." (609)-734-3120 |Was it something I said? ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 06:56:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA27631 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.muc.ditec.de (gw.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA27626 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 06:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de (tartufo.muc.ditec.de [134.98.18.2]) by gw.muc.ditec.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29378 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:54:39 +0100 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Mon, 19 Feb 96 15:56 MET Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 15:56 MET From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <199602141750.JAA16327@idiom.com> <199602150007.KAA18935@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Reply-To: me@gw.muc.ditec.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >David Muir Sharnoff stands accused of saying: >> >> It would be very nice to be able to have a separate configuration for >> each port that named might bind to. There are times when I want to >> serve different information to different nets. This is particularly >> handy when building firewalls. >That definitely falls into "you have the source" 8) I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record pointing to the mail relay machine, one to serve the outside with all internall stuff hidden and an MX-record also pointing to the mail relay and a third listening on 127.0.0.1 for the bastion itself that has info about both the in- and the outside. Works like a charm. If there's enough interest, I can make that available. Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 07:37:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA29872 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:37:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.tdc.on.ca (tdc.on.ca [204.92.242.39]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29867 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from martin@localhost) by freebsd.tdc.on.ca (8.6.12/8.6.6) id KAA09432; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:32:52 -0500 From: Martin Renters Message-Id: <199602191532.KAA09432@freebsd.tdc.on.ca> Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:32:52 -0500 (EST) Cc: phil@zipmail.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <18792.824712223@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 96 10:43:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell > > networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, > > but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used > > for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no > > tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! > > Yep! A few people tell me that Novell admins love this since it lets > them keep their networks "pure" - no icky TCP/IP frames on their > lovely little IPX networks (and, of course, the clients don't need to > run TCP/IP stacks). > > I think it would definitely be a well-regarded feature for FreeBSD if > we supported TCP/IP encapsulation like this. I don't know how much > work is involved, but.. I think the way these things work is that they provide you with a WINSOCK implementation that works over the network. That is, when you create a socket, this WINSOCK will send an IPX message to the Internet gateway and the gateway creates the socket. Similarly, when you do a bind or read or write, WINSOCK will pass those requests on to the server which actually carries them out. The PCs don't have any IP stacks on them at all. Only the gateway has an IP address. Think of it was splitting WINSOCK into 2 pieces, the API portion (that runs on the PC) and the action doer (which runs on the gateway). I think the hard part in implementing this is finding a PD WINSOCK implementation that does this. Martin From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 07:46:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00586 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00581 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 07:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from venus.mcs.com (root@Venus.mcs.com [192.160.127.92]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA26575; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:46:21 -0600 Received: by venus.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 19 Feb 96 09:46 CST Message-Id: Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:46:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602190452.PAA08872@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 19, 96 03:22:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Joe Greco stands accused of saying: > > > > > > For news, you want one machine hosting the news, and a number of NFS > > > clients running readers only. Don't try to run your news databases > > > across NFS, it's just too slow. > > > > NFS clients running readers? I disagree..! You are not lowering the I/O > > demands on the server disks at all. Run slaves :-) > > Urk, good point. Forget I ever suggested it! > > > ccd works fine, I have not tested more than two disks striped, more than one > > ccd device, or a partition > 8GB, but I do have 2-drive 4GB and 8GB > > partitions running on news.sol.net and daily-planet.execpc.com, very > > reliable. news.sol.net has actually STOPPED crashing because it's no longer > > running out of disk space every few days :-) > > Yay! > > > ... Joe Uh, what's "ccd". Are we talking striping in software on FreeBSD 2.1? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity Modem: [+1 312 248-0900] | T1 from $600 monthly; speeds to DS-3 available Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1] | 21 Chicagoland POPs, ISDN, 28.8, much more Fax: [+1 312 248-9865] | Email to "info@mcs.net" WWW: http://www.mcs.net/ ISDN - Get it here TODAY! | Home of Chicago's only FULL Clarinet feed! From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 08:57:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA08002 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sting.artisoft.com (sting.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07997 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mday@localhost) by sting.artisoft.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA06004 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:57:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:57:14 -0700 From: Matt Day Message-Id: <199602191657.JAA06004@sting.artisoft.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Bad bug in ffs_sync() & friends [RESEND] Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I think there is a very rare, yet fatal, bug in ffs_sync() in the -CURRENT code (and the -STABLE code, and NetBSD 1.1, etc...). This bug has occured twice on my system in the past 6 months. Consider this scenario: ffs_vget() calls getnewvnode(), and then calls MALLOC() to allocate memory for the incore inode. That MALLOC() blocks. While that MALLOC() is blocked, ffs_sync() gets called. ffs_sync() finds the vnode just set up by that getnewvnode() on the mnt_vnodelist (because getnewvnode() put it there) and proceeds to dereference vp->v_data by calling VOP_ISLOCKED(), but v_data is still zero because that MALLOC() blocked. It looks like this bug is lurking in many other routines as well -- pretty much any routine that runs down the mnt_vnodelist. What do you think? Please e-mail me directly, as I do not subscribe to these mailing lists. Thanks, Matt Day From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:14:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13215 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13210 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13038; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:09:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602191809.LAA13038@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:09:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <7560.824648072@critter.tfs.com> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Feb 18, 96 01:54:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Over the past week, the volume on comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc has been > > > eight times the volume of comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc and six times the > > > volume of comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc. > > > > > > Is it time to reorg the group? > > > > > > I vote for comp.freebsd.* or comp.bsd.freebsd.*... > > > > I'm not sure that anyone but a madman would embark upon a hierarchy > > change at this point, [...] > > Isn't that exactly the case ? :-) > > Terry, get a grip! Uh, you don't think that using the trademark in the news group right after the settlement that resulted in Net/2 being banned was the act of madmen? Personally, I think it was done for spite, and I'd be happy to have that behind us. Why does Linux get their own hierarchy? Are we not worthy? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:23:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA13897 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA13892 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:23:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13088; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:18:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602191818.LAA13088@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:18:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Feb 19, 96 09:13:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, it's not a good idea to do lots of nfs locking on SUNs, much > less freebsd. Direct experience with 16 or more nodes locking files on > one server shows that even solaris 2.x still won't do it right. You need > to think of a different way to go. Do you have test programs for this? I could use them. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:32:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA14437 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14432 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:32:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13105; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:26:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602191826.LAA13105@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:26:47 -0700 (MST) Cc: phil@zipmail.co.uk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <18792.824712223@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 18, 96 10:43:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell > > networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, > > but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used > > for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no > > tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! > > Yep! A few people tell me that Novell admins love this since it lets > them keep their networks "pure" - no icky TCP/IP frames on their > lovely little IPX networks (and, of course, the clients don't need to > run TCP/IP stacks). > > I think it would definitely be a well-regarded feature for FreeBSD if > we supported TCP/IP encapsulation like this. I don't know how much > work is involved, but.. I do. I did a product proposal for this type of thing at Novell. Even did some preliminary code. 8-). The biggest pain is setting up the server engine to advertise itself and respond to "GetNearestServer()" requests of the apropriate type. You will need a NetWare developer kit for the client API on the Windows box. The largest amount of grunt-work is in writing the Winsock-over-IPX tunnel. This is not quite traditional tunneling. Anyone have a full set of client developer red-boxes? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:37:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA14715 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14710 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA20955; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:36:40 -0800 To: Terry Lambert cc: phk@critter.tfs.com (Poul-Henning Kamp), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:09:58 MST." <199602191809.LAA13038@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <20953.824755000@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Uh, you don't think that using the trademark in the news group right > after the settlement that resulted in Net/2 being banned was the act > of madmen? That's not the issue. The newsgroup was named by the infamous USENET cabal, the usual collection of crazies who have dedicated themselves and their lives (such as they are) to out-shouting everyone else when it comes to naming things. Since they also have the infinite amounts of time and vitriol only available to those who are over 30, have no jobs and still live with their parents, they win. Given that the cost of winning against them is as high as it is and the fact that nobody outside of the CABAL really *cares* as much as they do about such silly trivia, we also let them. In other words, yes, they're madmen but what's your point? :-) > Why does Linux get their own hierarchy? See above comments about people with enough free time and disregard for quality of life to champion such things. Some of the most die-hard Linux fans are distinguishable from the USENET cabal only by the fact that they wear different T-shirts at conventions. The amount of spittle flying during their oratories is about the same. I think the Linux fans also had the presence of mind to register early, before the reorg, then shout down the CABAL when it suggested a renaming. No mean feat, actually. I'm not saying that having one's own hierarchy isn't necessarily a good marketing tool, mind you, and there's gotta be SOME reason that BYTE gave me 2 pages and Linux 8 (see Feb. issue of BYTE) but short of swimming in the same sewer for long enough to gain the "respect" of the CABAL, I really don't see what we can do about it. In a field of steaming fresh cow manure, the man with no nostrils is king! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:58:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA15406 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:58:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15399 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA03195; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:56:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:56:55 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: me@gw.muc.ditec.de cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Michael Elbel wrote: > In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: > > >David Muir Sharnoff stands accused of saying: > >> > >> It would be very nice to be able to have a separate configuration for > >> each port that named might bind to. There are times when I want to > >> serve different information to different nets. This is particularly > >> handy when building firewalls. > > >That definitely falls into "you have the source" 8) > > I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three > nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network > with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record > pointing to the mail relay machine, one to serve the outside > with all internall stuff hidden and an MX-record also pointing > to the mail relay and a third listening on 127.0.0.1 for the > bastion itself that has info about both the in- and the outside. > > Works like a charm. If there's enough interest, I can make that > available. > > Michael > > -- > Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de > Fermentation fault (coors dumped) > It would be really useful. Perhaps times will come when people port things *from* FreeBSD? Cheers, Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 10:59:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA15439 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:59:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15434 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 10:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA13162; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:55:19 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602191855.LAA13162@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:55:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, phk@critter.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20953.824755000@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 19, 96 10:36:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Since they also have the infinite amounts > of time and vitriol only available to those who are over 30, have no > jobs and still live with their parents, they win. [ ... ] > In a field of steaming fresh cow manure, the man with no nostrils > is king! :-) I don't live with my parents, and I have a real job. However, I am over 30, and my sense of smell isn't what it used to be. It is very tempting to bring the use of the word "unix" in news group names to the attention of the trademark weenies at USL (who still owns the trademark, they've just exclusively licensed it to X/Open). Since their only contact with the net is via "INTERNET%" email that shows up in the CC:Mail mailboxes, it's not clear that they are aware of its "misuse" (ie: any use by anyone other than their licensees). They would probably be happy to have a handle to beat on uunet because of the Rob Kolstad relationship (notice that BSDI is "using" the "unix trademark" in violation of the consent decree by way of group naming). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 11:32:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA17202 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from tippy.cybernet.com ([192.245.33.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA17197 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.cybernet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00419 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:28:54 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: pcobb@tippy.cybernet.com From: Paul Cobb To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know where I could get it? Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cobb Research Engineer pcobb@cybernet.com Cybernet Systems Corp. (313)668-2567 Ann Arbor, MI 'Is this a special moment or should we be disturbed?' - The Tick ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 13:20:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24414 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24400 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA08756 ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:20:21 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA26717 ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:20:19 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id WAA20614; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:14:45 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602192114.WAA20614@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: News group split time? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:14:44 +0100 (MET) Cc: terry@lambert.org, phk@critter.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20953.824755000@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 19, 96 10:36:40 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1661 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > good marketing tool, mind you, and there's gotta be SOME reason that > BYTE gave me 2 pages and Linux 8 (see Feb. issue of BYTE) but short of > swimming in the same sewer for long enough to gain the "respect" of The amount of ads between these 8 pages is also much higher :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #6: Fri Feb 9 21:27:02 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 13:20:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24443 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:20:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24423 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 13:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA08759 ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:20:22 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA26720 ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:20:21 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id WAA20624; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:16:45 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602192116.WAA20624@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:16:45 +0100 (MET) Cc: me@gw.muc.ditec.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Narvi at "Feb 19, 96 08:56:55 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1661 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Narvi said: > > I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three > > nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network > > with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record > It would be really useful. Perhaps times will come when people port > things *from* FreeBSD? I really think that using different machines with one _unhacked_ named on each is better. The forwarders/slave clauses are your friends... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #6: Fri Feb 9 21:27:02 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 14:11:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28507 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28491 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-082.etinc.com (ppp-082.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA10103; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:13:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:13:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199602192213.RAA10103@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> > One of these was a system called the BSDi Internet gateway for novell >> > networks. it sells for $1595 for 5 users and comes with www/ftp etc, >> > but the bit that caught my attention was the fact that it can be used >> > for leased-line/dialup routing and (if the article is correct) no >> > tcp/ip support is needed on the local n/w at all !! >> >> Yep! A few people tell me that Novell admins love this since it lets >> them keep their networks "pure" - no icky TCP/IP frames on their >> lovely little IPX networks (and, of course, the clients don't need to >> run TCP/IP stacks). >> >> I think it would definitely be a well-regarded feature for FreeBSD if >> we supported TCP/IP encapsulation like this. I don't know how much >> work is involved, but.. > >I do. I did a product proposal for this type of thing at Novell. Even >did some preliminary code. 8-). > > >The biggest pain is setting up the server engine to advertise itself >and respond to "GetNearestServer()" requests of the apropriate type. > >You will need a NetWare developer kit for the client API on the >Windows box. > >The largest amount of grunt-work is in writing the Winsock-over-IPX >tunnel. This is not quite traditional tunneling. > >Anyone have a full set of client developer red-boxes? This is really quite silly (clearly an opinion)....haven't any of you heard that Windows '95 is here? I think that BSDI (and you) missed the boat on this one....now that Windows comes with a stack...and you have to be a real moron not to be able to install it..the usefulness of this "gateway" product has substantially diminished. Struggling with ODI on DOS boxes.....now i really could have used it then, but now it doesnt cost me anything for TCP/IP and its a snap to install and configure. Anyway...isn't Novell supposed to be moving toward an IP based link layer? Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 14:17:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29016 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellind.com ([206.101.34.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28993 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by firewall.bellind.com id <24322>; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:30:17 -0800 From: Rudy Gireyev To: "'hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Becoming a Developer. Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:19:00 -0800 Encoding: 10 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Message-Id: <96Feb19.143017pst.24322@firewall.bellind.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, to whom it may concern. My name is Rudy Gireyev and my address is rgireyev@bellind.com. Working on the development of an operating system has always made me drool, so I am exceedingly curious whether I can contribute my services to this wonderful effort. Please let me know what the requirements are from my end, hardware, software, books, experience and others. Any and all questions are welcome I am not easily offended. Impatiently waiting for your response. Rudy. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 14:51:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA01010 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail0.spidernet.net (nautilus.spidernet.net [194.154.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA01000 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:51:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from test.spidernet.net by mail0.spidernet.net (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.0-GAMMA) id AAA26680; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:49:30 +0300 Message-Id: <199602192149.AAA26680@mail0.spidernet.net> X-Sender: ranko_fbsd@nautilus.spidernet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:50:54 -0200 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: Zivojnovic Ranko Subject: PPP hangs! Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I have found out (I don't know if anybody else did) that iij-ppp hangs only in specific situation (!): Only when it is in the -direct mode and the other end disconnects the line. iij-ppp will wait until idle timeout expires, and then (unless is killed manualy before) will finish with it's job! By that time, it keeps the line open! I have tried this with two machines running FreeBSD. Is there any clues (cure) how to fix this? Regards, Ranko ______________________________________________________________ SpiderNet Services Ltd. 1 Iasonos Street Nicosia Cyprus ______________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 15:14:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA02215 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02207 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02331; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:36:51 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602192306.JAA02331@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger MCSNet) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:36:51 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" at Feb 19, 96 09:46:20 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Karl Denninger, MCSNet stands accused of saying: >>> ccd works fine, I have not tested more than two disks striped, more than one >>> ccd device, or a partition > 8GB, but I do have 2-drive 4GB and 8GB >>> partitions running on news.sol.net and daily-planet.execpc.com, very >>> reliable. news.sol.net has actually STOPPED crashing because it's no longer >>> running out of disk space every few days :-) >> >> Yay! >> >>> ... Joe > > Uh, what's "ccd". Are we talking striping in software on FreeBSD 2.1? Yes. 'ccd' is a port of the NetBSD 'concatenated disk' driver. Satoshi can probably tell you more, or you can hit the hackers list archive and look for his most recent announcement. Unless something's changed recently it's still somewhat alpha-ish. > Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - The Finest Internet Connectivity -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 15:35:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03329 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:35:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03323 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA13774; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:30:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602192330.QAA13774@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:30:44 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602192213.RAA10103@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Feb 19, 96 05:13:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Anyway...isn't Novell supposed to be moving toward an IP based link layer? Isn't IP moving to v6? Shouldn't we all quit buying old-style hardware addressed cards? 8-). TCP/IP <-> Private-proocol gateways are for legacy installations with machines they won't or *can't* update. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 16:09:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05522 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05514 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:09:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02793; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:33:37 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602200003.KAA02793@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Becoming a Developer. To: RGIREYEV@bellind.com (Rudy Gireyev) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:33:37 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <96Feb19.143017pst.24322@firewall.bellind.com> from "Rudy Gireyev" at Feb 19, 96 02:19:00 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rudy Gireyev stands accused of saying: > > My name is Rudy Gireyev and my address is rgireyev@bellind.com. Working > on the development of an operating system has always made me drool, so I > am exceedingly curious whether I can contribute my services to this > wonderful effort. Please let me know what the requirements are from my > end, hardware, software, books, experience and others. Any and all > questions are welcome I am not easily offended. Go right ahead; get the source, find something you want to work on and do it! In terms of suggestions; I'd say that you'll want two machines, one to work on, and one to test on. The latter can be a really puny specimen (I use an 8M 386/33). >From there it really depends on which part(s) you want to work on. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "I seek PEZ!" - The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 16:16:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05963 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05909 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA10682; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:14:27 -0800 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199602200014.QAA10682@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) (fwd) To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:14:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602172100.PAA06868@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Feb 17, 96 03:00:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I've seen similar hangs occasionally under both 2.0.5R and 2.1.0R and one > > > additional "thing" I've noticed is that processes that are completely > > > in-core appear to keep running (i.e. I had a "vmstat 1" running for a few Ah... I've seen something similar on some small memory (4M) machines I've been trying to get running. I get lots of sig 11 (and sometimes sig 4, illegal instruction, etc.) and thought it was hardware, but swapping motherboards, cpu's, and memory didn't help. Going from 4MB to 5MB reduces, but doesn't eliminate, the problems. > > Is the 4 gig drive a Seagate barracuda? (yes for me, bt946c) > > > > Do you run alias ip's for 'virtual web sites'? (yes for me, a bunch) > > > > What ethernet card do you run on the box? (3c509 isa for me) > > > > How large is your swap file? (256mb swap file) > > > > The reason I ask these questions is that other boxes running the same rev > > of FreeBSD will not exhibit the problem at all. I am trying to find the > > common thread. I'm running FreeBSD 2.1.0-R on a BEK-P405 PCI/ISA motherboard. Chipset is ALI. On-board super I/O, WD Caviar 2850 (IDE), two NE2000 clone EtherNet cards, ISA VGA card (usually), also login prompt enabled via on-board serial port. Sometimes booted diskless (in which case there seems to be more random proc death, though it happens either way). Swapfiles are big, at least 16Meg. -Archie _______________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@tribe.com * Tribe Computer Works http://www.tribe.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 17:33:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA09750 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA09741 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA21573; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:32:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199602200132.SAA21573@rover.village.org> To: Brian Smith Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) Cc: Heikki Suonsivu , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: Your message of Sun, 18 Feb 1996 22:03:34 PST Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:32:36 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : +-------------+ +------------------------------------a+ : | | | | : +-------------+ +------------------------------------b+ : : Short the last two pins a and b ---------------------^ Gee, if this happens a lot to a person, you'd think those proto cards with a NMI reset switch attached would be less dangerous. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 17:51:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10497 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:51:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10492 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA02642; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:49:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199602200149.RAA02642@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Archie Cobbs cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco), bugs@freebsd.netcom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Feb 1996 16:14:27 PST." <199602200014.QAA10682@bubba.tribe.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 17:49:23 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> > > I've seen similar hangs occasionally under both 2.0.5R and 2.1.0R and one >> > > additional "thing" I've noticed is that processes that are completely >> > > in-core appear to keep running (i.e. I had a "vmstat 1" running for a few > >Ah... I've seen something similar on some small memory (4M) machines I've >been trying to get running. I get lots of sig 11 (and sometimes >sig 4, illegal instruction, etc.) and thought it was hardware, >but swapping motherboards, cpu's, and memory didn't help. > >Going from 4MB to 5MB reduces, but doesn't eliminate, the problems. It may still be hardware. If you're using IDE, some really cheap IDE controllers have been known to cause problems. If your motherboards aren't configured correctly for the right amount of wait states for RAM, etc, then this can and will cause problems. The list goes on. I'm not saying for certain that it's not a software bug (this WAS a problem in early FreeBSD releases), but we do extensive pre-release testing (looking specifically for this problem) on 4MB and 5MB machines and didn't/haven't seen the problem. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 18:57:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA14200 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:57:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14195 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id SAA01348; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:56:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:56:33 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: Ollivier Robert cc: Narvi , me@gw.muc.ditec.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... In-Reply-To: <199602192116.WAA20624@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that Narvi said: > > > I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three > > > nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network > > > with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named server, which of course, by default (firewalled), only trusts the bastion host. This way you only run 2 named servers, and protect the secrecy of the internal hosts. Of course, the only problem I can think of is the possibility of the bastion named caching the lookups and outsiders being able to see internal hostnames via the cache. == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 19:01:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14442 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA14436 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id TAA01395; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:00:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:00:56 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: dennis cc: Terry Lambert , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSDi : Internet Gateway for Novell Networks In-Reply-To: <199602192213.RAA10103@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway...isn't Novell supposed to be moving toward an IP based link layer? > > Dennis That would be too easy. == Chris Layne ============================================================= == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 19:44:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA16327 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16318 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id VAA09184; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:42:29 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602200342.VAA09184@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger, MCSNet) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:42:28 -0600 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Karl Denninger, MCSNet" at Feb 19, 96 09:46:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Joe Greco stands accused of saying: > > > > > > > > For news, you want one machine hosting the news, and a number of NFS > > > > clients running readers only. Don't try to run your news databases > > > > across NFS, it's just too slow. > > > > > > NFS clients running readers? I disagree..! You are not lowering the I/O > > > demands on the server disks at all. Run slaves :-) > > > > Urk, good point. Forget I ever suggested it! > > > > > ccd works fine, I have not tested more than two disks striped, more than one > > > ccd device, or a partition > 8GB, but I do have 2-drive 4GB and 8GB > > > partitions running on news.sol.net and daily-planet.execpc.com, very > > > reliable. news.sol.net has actually STOPPED crashing because it's no longer > > > running out of disk space every few days :-) > > > > Yay! > > > > > ... Joe > > Uh, what's "ccd". Are we talking striping in software on FreeBSD 2.1? Yes we are. See announcement on -hackers. Distribution site is a machine out at Berkeley whose name escapes me. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 19:53:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA16801 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16793 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17868; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:53:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:53:21 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: David Greenman cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) In-Reply-To: <199602170945.BAA01341@Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Feb 1996, David Greenman wrote: > > This really sounds like the out-of-mbuf-clusters problem. That should have been logged by syslog though. I didn't see any indication of failure (other than a gap in /var/log/messages when the machine was "down"). > What do you have maxusers set to? Do you have an NMBCLUSTERS= > kernel option? maxusers 128 options "NMBCLUSTERS=4096" options "OPEN_MAX=2048" options "CHILD_MAX=1024" -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 20:48:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19829 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19824 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25034; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:47:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:47:43 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Dave Andersen cc: Arjan de Vet , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) In-Reply-To: <199602180826.BAA24207@terra.aros.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Dave Andersen wrote: > > If you want to track it down a bit more, put some log entries in the > /etc/daily *and* the /etc/security files that just do: > > echo "Hey, we just cleaned preserver" >> /var/log/testlog > echo "Hey, security just finished the find" >> /var/log/security You could use "#!/bin/sh -x" at the beginning of the script, which tells the Bourne shell to echo each command (after variable substitution and backtick expansion) to stderr. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 20:58:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA20288 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from zip.io.org (root@zip.io.org [198.133.36.80]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA20283 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zip.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA25980; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:58:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:58:14 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Joerg Wunsch cc: Joe Greco , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) In-Reply-To: <199602170804.JAA08102@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Sat, 17 Feb 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > > Hmm, we've also experienced these symptoms at sax.sax.de (small local > non-commercial ISP), and i admit that i've basically been suspecting > hardware in the first place. Your reports make me nervous however > that it might be software. The system is plain 2.0.5R. Could be... some sort of deadlock in the VM paging routines? :( > Brian, if you got physical access to the box, try placing a simple > card into the PC that hooks ISA pins A1/B1 to a pushbutton. Pushing > it will cause an NMI (``IO channel check condition''), hopefully > leaving you a coredump. Uh, what? :) I'm a hardware klutz. I'm happy that I was able to hook up nine hard drives to the news server today and have it running on the first try. :) I do have console access... how do I get a kernel core dump while using the pcvt driver? Ctrl-Alt-Esc doesn't seem to do anything. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) Systems Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 21:20:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA21377 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21366 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22580; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:19:58 -0800 To: Terry Lambert cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: News group split time? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Feb 1996 11:55:19 MST." <199602191855.LAA13162@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:19:58 -0800 Message-ID: <22578.824793598@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It is very tempting to bring the use of the word "unix" in news group > names to the attention of the trademark weenies at USL (who still owns > the trademark, they've just exclusively licensed it to X/Open). Since > their only contact with the net is via "INTERNET%" email that shows up > in the CC:Mail mailboxes, it's not clear that they are aware of its > "misuse" (ie: any use by anyone other than their licensees). > > They would probably be happy to have a handle to beat on uunet because > of the Rob Kolstad relationship (notice that BSDI is "using" the "unix > trademark" in violation of the consent decree by way of group naming). Well, if you're really up for tilting at windmills, I guess all I can say is: "Be my guest, just leave me out of it!" :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 21:20:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA21389 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:20:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21372 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA10051; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:22:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:22:02 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602200522.WAA10051@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: malcolm newton Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP -auto and -direct In-Reply-To: <3123E144.7435@io.org> References: <3123E0FA.9A9@io.org> <3123E144.7435@io.org> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have a web server attached via ISDN line to an ISP which I need to > keep up permanently.(or as close as possible) I am using /etc/ppp Umm, there is no program /etc/ppp. Do you mean /usr/sbin/ppp? > i works fine until the line drops. I am thinking of doing > something like > -auto > timeout set to 300 (timeout for what) 'timeout' is the amount of time it will wait for traffic before it brings the line down. So, it will wait up to 300 seconds when no traffic is sent, then it will bring the line down. If you set the timeout to 0, it won't timeout ever. (But, it also won't re-dial the line if it does down for other reasons, such as phone line problems, etc...) > then background ping to isp to ensure connection This will work to make sure the line is always up, but it wastes bandwidth that could be used for real work. > If the line is up does ppp try to dial on outgoing packets?? Nope, because the line is up. > if the line is down will ppp dial ?? Yep. > Does timeout mean redial after n secs of no packets ? Yep. > whats a good blend to ensure line is up most of the time?? Use my 'ddial' patches to ppp (I posted them last week, check the archives), use pppd in a busy loop, or use the ping method above. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 21:52:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22995 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22989 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA22747; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:51:51 -0800 To: Rudy Gireyev cc: "'hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Becoming a Developer. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Feb 1996 14:19:00 PST." <96Feb19.143017pst.24322@firewall.bellind.com> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:51:50 -0800 Message-ID: <22745.824795510@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > My name is Rudy Gireyev and my address is rgireyev@bellind.com. Working > on the development of an operating system has always made me drool, so I Strange, us too! In fact, after 3 years of doing this, some of us now drool all the time - we can't help it! Our doctors keep using terms like "incurable brain damage" and "suggested euthanasia" but I think they're just jealous that they don't have an OS project of their own to hack on. Professional jealousy, sheesh! No, seriously, of course I'm just kidding and we're always more than happy to have OS hackers join us. We've far more work than we have people! > am exceedingly curious whether I can contribute my services to this > wonderful effort. Please let me know what the requirements are from my > end, hardware, software, books, experience and others. Any and all > questions are welcome I am not easily offended. Your services would indeed be welcomed. As to requirements, I'd say you've already got the major one covered, and that's motivation. Everything else can and will be learned along the way. The first step is simply to get ahold of the source tree, one way or another (see the http://www.freebsd.org/submitters.html and http://www.freebsd.org/support.html for more related info on this) and then start learning how the build system works. This will be a major first step in your education, followed by a more in-depth study of whatever topic it is that most interests you. Reading the referenced docs will also give you a good idea of how we work and process submissions. Any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 23:06:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26049 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26039 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA12479 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:53 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA28388 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:52 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id HAA01169; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:57:36 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602200657.HAA01169@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Some SERIOUS NFS usage - advice needed To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:57:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: karl@mcs.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, rashid@rk.ios.com, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602200342.VAA09184@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from Joe Greco at "Feb 19, 96 09:42:28 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Joe Greco said: > Yes we are. See announcement on -hackers. Distribution site is a machine > out at Berkeley whose name escapes me. forgery.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Feb 19 23:06:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA26085 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA26074 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:06:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA12475 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:52 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA28385 ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:05:45 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id HAA01159; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:57:02 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602200657.HAA01159@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... To: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:57:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, me@gw.muc.ditec.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from invalid opcode at "Feb 19, 96 06:56:33 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that invalid opcode said: > Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The > bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected > network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named There is an easier way. Have two hosts, one runs the public DNS server. The second one is running the private DNS server; it has the forwarders/slave clause in the named.boot to resolve anything it's not primary or secondary for. The public DNS machine is of course a _client_ of the private DNS. Flow: ^ server-server flow to resolv external hosts | | | server-server flow (forwarders) public <---------------------------------- private -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> client-server flow ^ I client-server flow I Internal hosts That way, no risk with the public's cache leaking host names. I hope the "drawing" is clear enough. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 00:03:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA27913 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA27902 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id TAA18955; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:00:40 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199602200800.TAA18955@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: PPP -auto and -direct To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:00:39 +1100 (EST) Cc: mnewton@io.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602200522.WAA10051@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 19, 96 10:22:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams writes: > > timeout set to 300 (timeout for what) > 'timeout' is the amount of time it will wait for traffic before it brings > the line down. [ .. ] > (But, it also won't re-dial the line if it does > down for other reasons, such as phone line problems, etc...) Are you sure ? michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 00:22:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA29038 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA29032 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA24267; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:14:37 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA23187; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:14:26 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA15616; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:09:38 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602200809.JAA15616@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Web server locks up... but not quite. (?) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:09:38 +0100 (MET) Cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Feb 19, 96 11:58:14 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Brian Tao wrote: > I do have console access... how do I get a > kernel core dump while using the pcvt driver? Ctrl-Alt-Esc doesn't > seem to do anything. Have you configured DDB? This is the only way where Ctrl-Alt-Esc is being respected. Within DDB, you could type ``panic'', and hopefully get a core dump. However, if all interrupts are blocked, this doesn't help you, while the NMI button should still be honored. Dumping itself turns the disk driver into polled mode, so it should even work with jamming interrupt lines. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 02:57:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA06276 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06271 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:56:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12069 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:56:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199602201056.LAA12069@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: I'd vote to put the CVS repository onto the next FreeBSD CD-Rom To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 11:52:06 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199602192300.AAA00342@knobel.gun.de>; from "Andreas Klemm" at Feb 20, 96 12:00 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > What would you think about putting the FreeBSD CVS repository onto > the next FreeBSD CD-Rom ?! I'd like to see this. I agree in principle. But the question is, how many people would really want to have the repository? Would it justify an additional CD? After all, you still need to keep it up to date. > A good reason to start selling FreeBSD as 3 CD package ;-) I'd like to see the install CD-ROM go away, and the installation be tuned to the Live File System CD-ROM. I can't see any good reason to have the CD in the same format as the downloadable modules. > It would have the additional advantage, that there would be enough > room for the whole FreeBSD ports collection. Currently some sources > and binary packages are missing. It's my understanding that the sources are missing for copyright reasons. Some authors of otherwise free software stipulate that the sources should not be distributed on CD-ROM. Somewhere (handbook?) there's some detail documentation on this. > It would also be a good starting point to setup ctm or sup ... Sure. > I think that many other people would be interested in this, too. > You get the chance to read developer comments and such ... I don't know how much use the developer comments would be. What I would like to see would be a reasonably complete archive of the hackers mail list. That could also stall a few FAQs. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 03:31:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA08948 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA08942 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA03405 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:49 GMT Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:49 GMT From: Root Message-Id: <199602201129.LAA03405@fgate.flevel.co.uk> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Alternate routes Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone tell me if it is possible to set secondary or fall-back routes? Replies please to root@flevel.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 03:57:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA09920 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA09909 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 03:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10185; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:56:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:56:11 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Rudy Gireyev cc: "'hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Becoming a Developer. In-Reply-To: <96Feb19.143017pst.24322@firewall.bellind.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Rudy Gireyev wrote: > > > Hello, to whom it may concern. > > My name is Rudy Gireyev and my address is rgireyev@bellind.com. Working > on the development of an operating system has always made me drool, so I > am exceedingly curious whether I can contribute my services to this > wonderful effort. Please let me know what the requirements are from my > end, hardware, software, books, experience and others. Any and all > questions are welcome I am not easily offended. > Impatiently waiting for your response. Rudy. > I'm no expert in matters like that myself - but I have a strong feeling it largerly depends what you can do. Don't take it as an offense please - I can't think of a person who couldn't help. Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 05:19:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA12288 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:19:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA12033 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10318; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:11:06 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:11:06 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: invalid opcode cc: Ollivier Robert , me@gw.muc.ditec.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, invalid opcode wrote: > On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > > > It seems that Narvi said: > > > > I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three > > > > nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network > > > > with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record > > Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The > bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected > network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named > server, which of course, by default (firewalled), only trusts the > bastion host. This way you only run 2 named servers, and protect the > secrecy of the internal hosts. Of course, the only problem I can think > of is the possibility of the bastion named caching the lookups and > outsiders being able to see internal hostnames via the cache. > > == Chris Layne ============================================================= > == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == > > Exactly - having the mutated named is actually an advantage, if you don't have (and can't have) 2 hosts for it, especially if it is cost wise (in terms of time spent on look-ups) to run a caching name server on your bastion host. And if the surrounding net is stupid enough to *have* the internal host names kept secret. Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 05:39:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA13043 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA13026 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 05:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10366; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:03 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:02 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Ollivier Robert cc: invalid opcode , me@gw.muc.ditec.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... In-Reply-To: <199602200657.HAA01159@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that invalid opcode said: > > Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The > > bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected > > network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named > > There is an easier way. > > Have two hosts, one runs the public DNS server. The second one is running > the private DNS server; it has the forwarders/slave clause in the > named.boot to resolve anything it's not primary or secondary for. The > public DNS machine is of course a _client_ of the private DNS. > > Flow: > > ^ server-server flow to resolv external hosts > | > | > | server-server flow (forwarders) > public <---------------------------------- private > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> > client-server flow ^ > I client-server flow > I > Internal hosts > > That way, no risk with the public's cache leaking host names. > > I hope the "drawing" is clear enough. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 > The problem is - you have to have *two* machines - there are people/times/places where there is just *one* available - the one that has to do everything (or just about everything). Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 07:01:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16150 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tippy.cybernet.com ([192.245.33.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16144 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pcobb@localhost) by tippy.cybernet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA00991 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 09:00:11 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: pcobb@tippy.cybernet.com From: Paul Cobb To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DGA Extension Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Sorry I forgot the message header last time. I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know where I could get it? Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cobb Research Engineer pcobb@cybernet.com Cybernet Systems Corp. (313)668-2567 Ann Arbor, MI 'Is this a special moment or should we be disturbed?' - The Tick ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 07:28:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA17497 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17488 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA10699; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:30:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 08:30:58 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602201530.IAA10699@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: michael butler Cc: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP -auto and -direct In-Reply-To: <199602200800.TAA18955@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> References: <199602200522.WAA10051@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199602200800.TAA18955@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk michael butler writes: > Nate Williams writes: > > > > timeout set to 300 (timeout for what) > > > 'timeout' is the amount of time it will wait for traffic before it brings > > the line down. > > [ .. ] > > > (But, it also won't re-dial the line if it does > > down for other reasons, such as phone line problems, etc...) > > Are you sure ? Not unless there is traffic to bring it up. It's easy to check though. Set the timeout to 0, and then power down the modem when it goes idle (and make sure that you haven't created any new outgoing data). Power up the modem and it won't redial. I tested this when I first set things up. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 07:30:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA17675 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA17669 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 07:30:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA11468; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:30:26 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199602201530.CAA11468@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: PPP -auto and -direct To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:30:25 +1100 (EST) Cc: nate@sri.MT.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602201530.IAA10699@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 20, 96 08:30:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > (But, it also won't re-dial the line if it does > > > down for other reasons, such as phone line problems, etc...) > > Are you sure ? > Not unless there is traffic to bring it up. Ah .. yes .. sorry .. I always run xntpd .. it'll come up, in the "worst" case, 1024 seconds later :-) michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 11:25:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00564 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00553 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id UAA07476; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:44 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199602201925.UAA07476@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: pop3 and blocked users To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:43 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to recieve mail.. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 11:29:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00711 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00706 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id LAA03588; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: Root cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Alternate routes In-Reply-To: <199602201129.LAA03405@fgate.flevel.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Root wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to set secondary or fall-back routes? > > Replies please to root@flevel.co.uk > Research the 'metric' keyword with route. == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 11:30:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00778 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:30:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00773 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:30:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id LAA03598; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:30:16 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: Narvi cc: Rudy Gireyev , "'hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Becoming a Developer. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Narvi wrote: > I can't think of a person who couldn't help. Bob Dole? == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 11:47:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01360 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01355 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:47:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id UAA07548; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:46:00 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199602201946.UAA07548@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Network Address Translation To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:46:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: jerry@border.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3592.824165855@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 12, 96 02:57:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > What about it? `man ipfw' and off you go! :-) > Look also at ipfilter (ftp to coombs.anu.edu.au) It has more features than ipfw and seems to be more actively developped. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 11:52:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01654 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01648 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA05594 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:52:24 -0500 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma005538; Tue Feb 20 14:51:14 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02603; Tue, 20 Feb 96 14:45:13 EST Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA19328 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:51:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA04887; Tue, 20 Feb 96 14:51:27 EST Message-Id: <9602201951.AA04887@thoth> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Durham, NH Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:51:27 EST From: Alexander Seth Jones Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: ed0: device timeout I saw the bit in the hardware notes about this problem. I tried changing my IRQ numbers (used 2-5), but to no avail. Can anyone tell me what the problem might be? The machine is a 486/DX2 66 Gateway 2000. Alex Jones From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 12:11:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02481 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02476 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 12:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA12797; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:28 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: invalid opcode cc: Rudy Gireyev , "'hackers@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: Becoming a Developer. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, invalid opcode wrote: > On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Narvi wrote: > > I can't think of a person who couldn't help. > > Bob Dole? Sorry, I'm glueless about that on the moment (first time see the name). In general: Yes, of course I do know there are people who for some reasons can't help - but anyone having: 1) at least e-mail connection to internet 2) access to hardware capable of running FreeBSD 3) some willingness and ability to stay working on something undertaken can help. Actually, the first point is not mandatory - one can post the floppies using snail-mail to his friend/another FreeBSDer who then e-mails/ftps them in... :) Sander. ^^^^^^ > == Chris Layne ============================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 13:43:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08093 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08087 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA01108; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800 To: Alexander Seth Jones cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:51:27 EST." <9602201951.AA04887@thoth> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800 Message-ID: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > ed0: device timeout Wrong device.. :-) You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 14:00:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA09348 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (terra.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09339 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl (uucp@localhost) by terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) with UUCP id XAA21966; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:00:08 +0100 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.7.3/8.6.12) id WAA00598; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:59:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602202159.WAA00598@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:59:04 +0100 (MET) From: "Mark Huizer" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602201925.UAA07476@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Feb 20, 96 08:25:43 pm Reply-To: xaa@stack.urc.tue.nl (Mark Huizer) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > recieve mail.. Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only access mail. Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take some serious action in stead of trying to read mail > > -Guido > Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 14:19:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10593 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10583 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA20811; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:49:21 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA04291; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:49:20 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA17010; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:24 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602202144.WAA17010@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: DGA Extension To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: pcobb@tippy.cybernet.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Cobb" at Feb 20, 96 09:00:11 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Paul Cobb wrote: > I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the > dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of > any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know > where I could get it? Better ask the XFree86 folks. It's still in beta test. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 14:24:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10857 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10848 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id PAA26263; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:24:08 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Alternate routes Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Root wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to set secondary or fall-back routes? > > Replies please to root@flevel.co.uk > Research the 'metric' keyword with route. == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 14:55:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12098 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12092 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.transport.com (lisa.transport.com [204.119.17.85]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA20643 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: lisa@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Subject: Sendmail Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 15:11:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12903 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail0.spidernet.net (nautilus.spidernet.net [194.154.128.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12898 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:11:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from test.spidernet.net by mail0.spidernet.net (ElectricMail-MESSAGE-2.0-GAMMA) id BAA19672; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:07:52 +0300 Message-Id: <199602202207.BAA19672@mail0.spidernet.net> X-Sender: ranko_fbsd@nautilus.spidernet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:09:23 -0200 To: Atsushi MURAI From: Zivojnovic Ranko Subject: Hanging PPP Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! -THIS IS LONG ONE! - BUT ONLY REFERENCES FROM THE LOG FILE WITH COMMENTS Here is more info about what is happening when PPP -direct hangs: Machine into which it has been dialled: 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Using interface: tun0 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Listening at 3000. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PPP Started. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Packet mode enabled 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: SendConfigReq 02-18 22:51:04 [218] ACFCOMP 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PROTOCOMP ... LCP negotiations, and some traffic 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Already set route addr dst=40819ac2, gateway=8e809ac2 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping Now at this point the other PC has disconnected the line (only administratively): 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Idle timer expired. 02-18 22:56:29 [144] OsLinkdown: 194.154.128.141 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:56:30 [144] Phase: Dead but the line (modem) is not being disconnected! DTR is on, DCD is on...everything is on! Then I have done one murder: 02-18 22:56:45 [218] SIGTERM 02-18 22:56:45 [218] LCP: state change Stopping --> Closing 02-18 22:56:46 [218] PPP Terminated. BUT! If it is the other way around (meaning server disconnects) then everything works fine. So, now I'm using two different configurations: one for answering, and one for dialing. Do you have any clue on the subject what it may be? Modems were US Robotics Couriers 28800, one PC is 486DX4 100MHz 8MB, and the other one is 486DX2 66MHz 8Mb as well. But that should not have nothing to with it. I've tried with changing modem configurations but nothing helps. FreeBSD is 2.1.0-R. Regards, Ranko ______________________________________________________________ SpiderNet Services Ltd. 1 Iasonos Street Nicosia Cyprus ______________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 15:13:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13172 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13164 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA03697 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:13:17 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA17563 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:12:52 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA00378 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org); Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:24 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id VAA01664 for FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:42 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199602202039.VAA01664@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: experience with the pccard flop install To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers list) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:41 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there (and specifically Tatsumi-san) I just tried the pccard install flop on my Digital Hinote. I connected it to a Adaptec APA-1460 and used an old DEC RRD40 cdrom drive with the 2.1R cdrom. And it worked wonderfully, the install ran without problems. The only catch is the install procedure that installs the kernel taken from the CDROM. And of course that one does not know about PCMCIA devices ;-) In short: good show! Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 15:32:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA14433 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:32:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14399 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:32:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA04282; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Andreas Klemm cc: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada), hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:00:52 +0100." <199602181900.UAA02120@knobel.gun.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I found mbuf's are not buffered though mclusters are. So here is my >> patch for /sys/sys/mbuf.h. This seems to provide me slightly good >> network performance. > >Did one of the core team members accept these patches >officially ?! Will they go into -current ? No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc failures). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 15:34:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA14567 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA14554 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA04317; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199602202334.PAA04317@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Alexander Seth Jones , hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 PST." <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Hello, >> >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> >> ed0: device timeout > >Wrong device.. :-) > >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. You're confusing the Etherlink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 is supposed to work with the 'ed' driver. It looks like his problem is that he has another card in his system configured at the same irq as his ethernet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:01:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA16844 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rogue.Northwest.com (root@rogue.northwest.com [204.119.42.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16442 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by Rogue.Northwest.com (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tp1x9-0004IoC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST From: timb49@Northwest.com (Tim Bach) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:16:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA17890 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:16:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.first.gmd.de (freebsd.first.gmd.de [192.35.153.200]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17807 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ats@localhost) by freebsd.first.gmd.de (8.7.3/8.6.12) id CAA01100; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:05 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Schulz Message-Id: <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: ajones@ctron.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 20, 96 01:42:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values given in FreeBSD. Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:19:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18005 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17999 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA26552; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199602210019.SAA26552@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Paging questions Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) > Assume a page is swapped to disk, then copied back in core, > and not modified afterwards. Do we keep a reference to the disk > block for the page, so as to save subsequent pageouts ? Do we > have an idea on how frequently this occurs ? I have no data on this. Before the VM code grabbed pages around the faulted page (back in 386bsd, early FreeBSD 1.0.x days) I did count the number of pages that were stored in swap, read and restored. It was VERY RARE that the page was not modified again before being placed back into storage. I checked this because I changed the code so that the VM free the page from swap when read back into memory and this went a long way to fix the swap depletion problem we had then. But I have not counted with the new VM code. if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I was looking in that code, a larger number of adjacent pages are brought back in when a page is faulted and some of those pages may or may not be kept in memory after the transfer. I argued last time this talk came up (within a year) that in swap depletion, *one* (not the only) strategy would be to again remove the pages from swap when that page is faulted back in. but there is performance concerns and hardware is cheap counter arguement was raised and I never went back down that exploritory road. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:24:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18465 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18419 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA24577; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA07037; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id BAA17712; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602210017.BAA17712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: ajones@ctron.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 20, 96 01:42:29 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Nope. 3Com has a confusing naming policy, but the ``Etherlink II'' is a 3c503 actually, even though it's one of the later cards with a 16-bit bus in this case. The ``Etherlink III'' is the 3c509. Perhaps the wrong network interface (AUI/BNC)? You can select the AUI interface with the ``-link2'' option to ifconfig if i'm not mistaken. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:44:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19818 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19813 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA05760; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:07 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: jkh@time.cdrom.com ("Jordan K. Hubbard") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > ed0: device timeout Wrong device.. :-) You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:57:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20635 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from research.gate.nec.co.jp (research.gate.nec.co.jp [202.32.8.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20614 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by research.gate.nec.co.jp (8.7.3+2.6Wbeta5/950912) with ESMTP id JAA12918; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.7.3/3.3W6) with SMTP id JAA14149; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.6.9/3.3W6) with UUCP id JAA17442; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:33 +0900 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:33 +0900 From: Naoki Hamada Message-Id: <199602210058.JAA17442@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> References: <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> To: davidg@Root.COM CC: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: David Greenman's message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800" <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of >this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available >to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid >private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for >mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference >counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. Agreed. Sounds quite reasonable. > We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >failures). I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is desirable. -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:58:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20700 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20695 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06705; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:25 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: freebsd@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl ("Mark Huizer") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:59:04 +0100 (MET) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <199602202159.WAA00598@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > recieve mail.. Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only access mail. Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take some serious action in stead of trying to read mail > > -Guido > Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 16:59:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20741 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20734 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06714; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:51 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: DGA Extension Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:24 +0100 (MET) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <199602202144.WAA17010@uriah.heep.sax.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Paul Cobb wrote: > I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the > dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of > any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know > where I could get it? Better ask the XFree86 folks. It's still in beta test. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 17:08:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA21288 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from research.gate.nec.co.jp (research.gate.nec.co.jp [202.32.8.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21271 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by research.gate.nec.co.jp (8.7.3+2.6Wbeta5/950912) with ESMTP id KAA13645; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.7.3/3.3W6) with SMTP id KAA14583; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.6.9/3.3W6) with UUCP id KAA17635; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:09:34 +0900 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:09:34 +0900 From: Naoki Hamada Message-Id: <199602210109.KAA17635@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> References: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: ajones@ctron.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800" <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> ed0: device timeout >Wrong device.. :-) >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. I used Etherlink II/16 (aka 3Com 503) several months ago. ed0 is the RIGHT device! Anyway, I have no idea why it timeouts... -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 17:25:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22461 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22456 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA08508; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:14 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Sendmail Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Lines: 69 Message-ID: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 17:32:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22922 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from eunet.fi (pim.eunet.fi [193.66.4.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22913 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by eunet.fi id AA10404 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:58 +0200 Received: by pim.eunet.fi id AA010402 from gate.fidata.fi(193.64.102.1); Wed Feb 21 03:30:17 1996 Received: from zeta.fidata.fi (zeta.fidata.fi [193.64.102.5]) by gate.fidata.fi (8.7.3/8.7.Beta.12) with ESMTP id DAA16390; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:14 +0200 (EET) Received: (from tomppa@localhost) by zeta.fidata.fi (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05886; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200 (EET) From: Tomi Vainio Message-Id: <199602210130.DAA05886@zeta.fidata.fi> To: Andreas Schulz Cc: ajones@ctron.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts In-Reply-To: <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> References: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Reply-To: tomppa@fidata.fi Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Andreas Schulz writes: > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > > > ed0: device timeout > > > > Wrong device.. :-) > > > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. > > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. > I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values > given in FreeBSD. > Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot > with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that > also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume > that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. > I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm using with it. Tomppa From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 17:44:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23733 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23728 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA09825; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:03 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: experience with the pccard flop install Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:41 +0100 (MET) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <199602202039.VAA01664@yedi.iaf.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there (and specifically Tatsumi-san) I just tried the pccard install flop on my Digital Hinote. I connected it to a Adaptec APA-1460 and used an old DEC RRD40 cdrom drive with the 2.1R cdrom. And it worked wonderfully, the install ran without problems. The only catch is the install procedure that installs the kernel taken from the CDROM. And of course that one does not know about PCMCIA devices ;-) In short: good show! Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 17:50:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA24137 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:50:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (root@nervosa.com [192.187.228.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24102 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:49:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nervosa.com (coredump@onyx.nervosa.com [10.0.0.1]) by nervosa.com (8.7.3/nervosa.com.2) with SMTP id RAA04991; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:49:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:49:36 -0800 (PST) From: invalid opcode To: Lisa Lopshire cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sendmail In-Reply-To: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Lisa Lopshire wrote: > cannot chdir((null)): Bad address > syserr: ExitStat = 71 > > How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. > Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 get ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/sendmail/sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz tar xfvz sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz cd sendmail-8.7.3 cd src makesendmail makesendmail install == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:08:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24841 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24836 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA11546; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:08:27 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <199602202334.PAA04317@Root.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Hello, >> >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> >> ed0: device timeout > >Wrong device.. :-) > >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. You're confusing the Etherlink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 is supposed to work with the 'ed' driver. It looks like his problem is that he has another card in his system configured at the same irq as his ethernet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:09:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24956 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24934 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04797; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199602210209.SAA04797@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Naoki Hamada cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:33 +0900." <199602210058.JAA17442@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >>problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >>messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >>failures). > >I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >desirable. I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:24:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25720 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25675 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12510; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:23:47 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I found mbuf's are not buffered though mclusters are. So here is my >> patch for /sys/sys/mbuf.h. This seems to provide me slightly good >> network performance. > >Did one of the core team members accept these patches >officially ?! Will they go into -current ? No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc failures). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:25:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25808 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25803 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12651; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:25:22 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: ranko_fbsd@spidernet.net (Zivojnovic Ranko) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Hanging PPP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:09:23 -0200 Lines: 61 Message-ID: <199602202207.BAA19672@mail0.spidernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! -THIS IS LONG ONE! - BUT ONLY REFERENCES FROM THE LOG FILE WITH COMMENTS Here is more info about what is happening when PPP -direct hangs: Machine into which it has been dialled: 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Using interface: tun0 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Listening at 3000. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PPP Started. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Packet mode enabled 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: SendConfigReq 02-18 22:51:04 [218] ACFCOMP 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PROTOCOMP ... LCP negotiations, and some traffic 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Already set route addr dst=40819ac2, gateway=8e809ac2 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping Now at this point the other PC has disconnected the line (only administratively): 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Idle timer expired. 02-18 22:56:29 [144] OsLinkdown: 194.154.128.141 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:56:30 [144] Phase: Dead but the line (modem) is not being disconnected! DTR is on, DCD is on...everything is on! Then I have done one murder: 02-18 22:56:45 [218] SIGTERM 02-18 22:56:45 [218] LCP: state change Stopping --> Closing 02-18 22:56:46 [218] PPP Terminated. BUT! If it is the other way around (meaning server disconnects) then everything works fine. So, now I'm using two different configurations: one for answering, and one for dialing. Do you have any clue on the subject what it may be? Modems were US Robotics Couriers 28800, one PC is 486DX4 100MHz 8MB, and the other one is 486DX2 66MHz 8Mb as well. But that should not have nothing to with it. I've tried with changing modem configurations but nothing helps. FreeBSD is 2.1.0-R. Regards, Ranko ______________________________________________________________ SpiderNet Services Ltd. 1 Iasonos Street Nicosia Cyprus ______________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:43:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26471 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26464 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA13288; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:43:32 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: timb49@Northwest.com (Tim Bach) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Untitled Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:45:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26711 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:45:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from research.gate.nec.co.jp (research.gate.nec.co.jp [202.32.8.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26691 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:45:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by research.gate.nec.co.jp (8.7.3+2.6Wbeta5/950912) with ESMTP id LAA19443; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:45:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp by sbl-gw.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.7.3/3.3W6) with SMTP id LAA18368; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:44:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (8.6.9/3.3W6) with UUCP id LAA18404; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:46:44 +0900 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:46:44 +0900 From: Naoki Hamada Message-Id: <199602210246.LAA18404@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> References: <199602210209.SAA04797@Root.COM> To: davidg@Root.COM CC: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: David Greenman's message of "Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800" <199602210209.SAA04797@Root.COM> Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>desirable. > > I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:53:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27229 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.utah.edu (cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27222 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from bottles.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/utah-2.21-cs) id TAA04629; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:53:13 -0700 Received: by bottles.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15-leaf) id TAA14765; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:53:12 -0700 From: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Message-Id: <199602210253.TAA14765@bottles.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 19:53:12 MST In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 20, 96 1:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard uttered: > > Hello, > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Not unless you really want to have problems. =) The ep driver is for the 3com EtherLink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 (3c503) (which is what he's asking about; note the subject line) is supported by the ed driver. steve -- // stephen clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu // university of utah From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 18:59:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27537 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27519 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04978; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199602210259.SAA04978@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Naoki Hamada cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:46:44 +0900." <199602210246.LAA18404@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:13 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>>desirable. >> >> I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >>sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >>private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. > >The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? Yes, but a bit tight. If the driver were properly written, large packets would be put in mbuf clusters which are allocated out of a private pool and should be as fast as the pool that the driver is maintaining. I haven't looked at the driver source in any detail...I've instead decided to rewrite it at some point in the future, but haven't had the time + enough interest yet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 19:03:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27852 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27847 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA05003; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:01:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199602210301.TAA05003@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: tomppa@fidata.fi cc: Andreas Schulz , ajones@ctron.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200." <199602210130.DAA05886@zeta.fidata.fi> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:01:24 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use >ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm >using with it. No, the Etherlink II/16 is the 16bit version of the 3c503. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 20:04:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02121 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02111 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tp4Vq-0007zaC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:42 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0tp4Rr-000CL8C; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Tue Feb 20 1996, 20:38:31 CST Subject: Looking for FBSD 2.1 smail users Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you are running FreeBSD 2.1.0 and the ported smail (3.1.29), please drop me a line. I have come across something that looks like a bug but it could also be some really obscure configuration item I missed. Try this: send mail to yourself, but change one of the letters to a different case, ie Uhclem instead of uhclem. Does it get delivered succesfully? Not here. Another system running 2.1.0 but running a non-provided port (3.1.27) folds case without incident. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net |"Same thing we do every night: | Try to annoy Microsoft!" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 20:44:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA04828 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpp.minn.net (root@mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04823 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.minn.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA00325; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602210444.WAA00325@mpp.minn.net> Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users To: freebsd@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl (Mark Huizer) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Mike Pritchard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602202159.WAA00598@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> from "Mark Huizer" at Feb 20, 96 10:59:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Huizer wrote: > > > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > > recieve mail.. > > Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing > society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. > But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I > could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only > access mail. > Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it > so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would > be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of > only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take > some serious action in stead of trying to read mail You might want to change the pop daemon to honor the account expiration field (the pw_expire field in the pwd struct) instead of keying off the shell. That would let you set an nologin type shell for POP only users, but still allow you a method to totally disable the account. Take a look at the source to "login" for an example. I fixed all of the other access methods to the system to support account expiration sometime last summer/fall. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:11:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06246 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06241 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14694; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:30 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Sendmail Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:49:36 -0800 (PST) Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Lisa Lopshire wrote: > cannot chdir((null)): Bad address > syserr: ExitStat = 71 > > How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. > Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 get ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/sendmail/sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz tar xfvz sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz cd sendmail-8.7.3 cd src makesendmail makesendmail install == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:17:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06613 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06608 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14743; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:17:36 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:01:24 -0800 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <199602210301.TAA05003@Root.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use >ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm >using with it. No, the Etherlink II/16 is the 16bit version of the 3c503. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:20:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06849 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06843 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14774; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:20:05 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:09:34 +0900 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <199602210109.KAA17635@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> ed0: device timeout >Wrong device.. :-) >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. I used Etherlink II/16 (aka 3Com 503) several months ago. ed0 is the RIGHT device! Anyway, I have no idea why it timeouts... -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:21:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06913 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06908 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14779; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:21:06 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 19:53:12 MST Lines: 23 Message-ID: <199602210253.TAA14765@bottles.cs.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard uttered: > > Hello, > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Not unless you really want to have problems. =) The ep driver is for the 3com EtherLink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 (3c503) (which is what he's asking about; note the subject line) is supported by the ed driver. steve -- // stephen clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu // university of utah From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:27:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07156 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07151 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14818; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:27:02 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: ats@freebsd.first.gmd.de (Andreas Schulz) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:05 +0100 (MET) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values given in FreeBSD. Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:29:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07371 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14823; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:29:43 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:46:44 +0900 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <199602210246.LAA18404@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>desirable. > > I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:31:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07488 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07483 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14915; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:31:36 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 Lines: 19 Message-ID: <199602210209.SAA04797@Root.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >>problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >>messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >>failures). > >I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >desirable. I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:33:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07716 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07702 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14935; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:33:10 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: tomppa@fidata.fi (Tomi Vainio) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200 (EET) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <199602210130.DAA05886@zeta.fidata.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Schulz writes: > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > > > ed0: device timeout > > > > Wrong device.. :-) > > > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. > > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. > I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values > given in FreeBSD. > Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot > with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that > also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume > that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. > I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm using with it. Tomppa From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:38:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA08102 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08097 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14967; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:38:16 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <199602210017.BAA17712@uriah.heep.sax.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Nope. 3Com has a confusing naming policy, but the ``Etherlink II'' is a 3c503 actually, even though it's one of the later cards with a 16-bit bus in this case. The ``Etherlink III'' is the 3c509. Perhaps the wrong network interface (AUI/BNC)? You can select the AUI interface with the ``-link2'' option to ifconfig if i'm not mistaken. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:39:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA08161 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08156 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14972; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:39:15 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:13 -0800 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <199602210259.SAA04978@Root.COM> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>>desirable. >> >> I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >>sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >>private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. > >The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? Yes, but a bit tight. If the driver were properly written, large packets would be put in mbuf clusters which are allocated out of a private pool and should be as fast as the pool that the driver is maintaining. I haven't looked at the driver source in any detail...I've instead decided to rewrite it at some point in the future, but haven't had the time + enough interest yet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 21:50:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09089 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09078 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA15071; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:50:09 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Paging questions Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) Lines: 23 Message-ID: <199602210019.SAA26552@plains.nodak.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) > Assume a page is swapped to disk, then copied back in core, > and not modified afterwards. Do we keep a reference to the disk > block for the page, so as to save subsequent pageouts ? Do we > have an idea on how frequently this occurs ? I have no data on this. Before the VM code grabbed pages around the faulted page (back in 386bsd, early FreeBSD 1.0.x days) I did count the number of pages that were stored in swap, read and restored. It was VERY RARE that the page was not modified again before being placed back into storage. I checked this because I changed the code so that the VM free the page from swap when read back into memory and this went a long way to fix the swap depletion problem we had then. But I have not counted with the new VM code. if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I was looking in that code, a larger number of adjacent pages are brought back in when a page is faulted and some of those pages may or may not be kept in memory after the transfer. I argued last time this talk came up (within a year) that in swap depletion, *one* (not the only) strategy would be to again remove the pages from swap when that page is faulted back in. but there is performance concerns and hardware is cheap counter arguement was raised and I never went back down that exploritory road. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 22:28:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA10754 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10749 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id XAA15394; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:31 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:33 +0900 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <199602210058.JAA17442@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of >this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available >to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid >private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for >mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference >counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. Agreed. Sounds quite reasonable. > We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >failures). I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is desirable. -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 23:13:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12744 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12738 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id AAA15838; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:13:21 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Looking for FBSD 2.1 smail users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you are running FreeBSD 2.1.0 and the ported smail (3.1.29), please drop me a line. I have come across something that looks like a bug but it could also be some really obscure configuration item I missed. Try this: send mail to yourself, but change one of the letters to a different case, ie Uhclem instead of uhclem. Does it get delivered succesfully? Not here. Another system running 2.1.0 but running a non-provided port (3.1.27) folds case without incident. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net |"Same thing we do every night: | Try to annoy Microsoft!" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 23:22:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13443 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13437 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA086327338; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:27 -0800 Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA255777134; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:54 +0530 Message-Id: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:53 +0530 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to do? We could : (a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. (b) Print out some informative message : stating something like "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave it at that. (c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address in some drivers. Is this a convention? Can anyone point me to further reading? Have I missed something? Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 23:32:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13970 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:32:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13965 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01679; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:52 -0800 To: Andreas Schulz cc: ajones@ctron.com, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:05 +0100." <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:52 -0800 Message-ID: <1676.824887912@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. I stand corrected - sorry! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 20 23:33:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA14043 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA14034 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA15735 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:32:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199602210732.IAA15735@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: I'd vote to put the CVS repository onto the next FreeBSD CD-Rom To: nerv@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:27:00 +0100 (MET) From: "Greg Lehey" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <22846.824796620@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 19, 96 10:10:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Well, as I said, I'll be doing my damndest to put the CVS tree on the > next CDROM anyway since the only reason I didn't before was simply due > to our self-imposed restrictions on it. > > However, you resurrect an earlier discussion I had earlier with WC, > actually: Would people be interested in SNAPSHOT CDs which also > contain the CVS tree at the point of the snapshot and anything else I > manage to cram on there? The CD would come very cheaply packaged, > would be available only by subscription and would probably be a fair > bit cheaper (I can't say for sure what that would be, but it wouldn't > be anything like the subscription price for the "mainstream" CD). > > Any interest? How much would you WANT it to cost? If I can present > WC with a list of customer preferences, it will greatly influence > those kinds of decisions. Well, I like the idea, so much that I was going to say "yes, I'll take one", until I realised that I already get the CVS updates on a daily basis :-) But maybe that begs the alternative question: would you (hackers, not Jordan) rather buy a snapshot CD for, say, $15 by the time negotiations are finished, or would you rather download the updates from time to time? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 00:03:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA15716 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15336 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA08641 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602210759.IAA08641@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:39 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. 101 root 2 0 500K 68K accept 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sendmail 153 charnier 2 0 460K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 98 root 2 0 196K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and rstatd: Can't get namelist If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. Note that strip -d seems to work ok. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 00:46:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA18436 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA18431 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id BAA16754; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:46:26 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mpp@mpp.minn.net ("Mike Pritchard") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:02 -0600 (CST) Lines: 28 Message-ID: <199602210444.WAA00325@mpp.minn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mark Huizer wrote: > > > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > > recieve mail.. > > Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing > society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. > But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I > could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only > access mail. > Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it > so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would > be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of > only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take > some serious action in stead of trying to read mail You might want to change the pop daemon to honor the account expiration field (the pw_expire field in the pwd struct) instead of keying off the shell. That would let you set an nologin type shell for POP only users, but still allow you a method to totally disable the account. Take a look at the source to "login" for an example. I fixed all of the other access methods to the system to support account expiration sometime last summer/fall. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 01:18:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA20530 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20525 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id CAA17073; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:18:08 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: koshy@india.hp.com (A JOSEPH KOSHY) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:53 +0530 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to do? We could : (a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. (b) Print out some informative message : stating something like "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave it at that. (c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address in some drivers. Is this a convention? Can anyone point me to further reading? Have I missed something? Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 01:23:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA20780 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20771 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:23:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id KAA12656; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:22:46 +0100 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.bowtie.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA24084; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199602210856.JAA24084@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: Chuck Robey cc: Philippe Regnauld , hackers Subject: Re: Thot word processor In-reply-to: chuckr's message of Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:14:54 -0500. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:51 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > > > I don't remember who mentioned Thot -- anyway, I tried it, it runs, but when > > > you try to create or open any document: > > > > > > Undefined C library functions: > > > 1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.) > > > > > > ... and dies quietly. > > > > > > -- Phil > > > > > You need a newer Linux library, unfortunately all new libraries > > are QMAGIC, but you need ZMAGIC libraries. > > > > Does anyone have an idea how to get to new ZMAGIC libaries??? > > I have spoken with a friend who runs Linux, and he says if we tell him > exactly what we want, he can probably get it. He's not a beginner, > either, but I can't tell him, I know nothing about Linux and I haven't > tried any Linux emulation myself. If you guys can send me a message > describing what you need, exactly, well, let's see what he can do, OK? I did a little research, and it seems that QMAGIC is a newer a.out format which leaves the first page unmapped (from the gcc-faq). In the newer binutils the ZMAGIC format is no longer supported (`binutils-2.5.2l.17.bin.tar.gz'). I guess if your friend has binutils older than this, he will be able to help us. what is needed are newer shared version of libc and libm (the latest, I don't have the version numbers handy). Right now we have libc.so.4.5.26 and libm.so.4.5.26 Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 02:12:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA23421 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:12:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ham.mics.msu.su (ham.mics.msu.su [158.250.28.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA23407 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:12:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mics.msu.su (mics.msu.su [158.250.28.65]) by ham.mics.msu.su (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA17701 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:12:26 +0300 Received: from MICS/SpoolDir by mics.msu.su (Mercury 1.21); 21 Feb 96 13:12:28 +0300 Received: from SpoolDir by MICS (Mercury 1.21); 21 Feb 96 13:11:10 +0300 Received: from max.mics.msu.su by mics.msu.su (Mercury 1.21); 21 Feb 96 13:10:33 +0300 Message-ID: <312AEEE9.1576@mics.msu.su> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:07:37 +0300 From: Drogajtcev Maxim Valerievich Organization: MICS MSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk help -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Drogajtcev Maxim Valerievich | System Administrator. Fax: 7 (095) 932 8997 | System Developer. Voice: 7 (095) 939 2307 | Moscow State University, Russia. e-mail: max@mics.msu.su | Microelectronic Center. UUDECODE, MIME, PGP and etc. | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 02:15:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA23528 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA23523 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id DAA17581; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:15:06 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: jkh@time.cdrom.com ("Jordan K. Hubbard") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:31:52 -0800 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1676.824887912@time.cdrom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. I stand corrected - sorry! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 02:28:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA24173 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA24165 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:28:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA27713 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:28:32 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211028.LAA27713@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: processes wouldn't die To: charnier@lirmm.fr (Philippe Charnier) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:24:02 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199602210759.IAA08641@lirmm.lirmm.fr>; from "Philippe Charnier" at Feb 21, 96 8:59 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger > and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel > (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: > checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and > rstatd: Can't get namelist > If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: > checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. > Note that strip -d seems to work ok. Correct. A number of symbols referred to by programs via the nlist system call have recently been made static, and strip -x removes them. This will also cause problems with vmstat and iostat, and others that I forget. I think this is more a documentation problem than a system problem: if you make the kernel without -g, you don't run into this problem, and if you do use -g, strip -d does what you want. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 02:52:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA25405 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25400 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id DAA17858; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:52:23 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: uranium!grog@mail.Germany.EU.net ("Greg Lehey") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: I'd vote to put the CVS repository onto the next FreeBSD CD-Rom Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:27:00 +0100 (MET) Lines: 25 Message-ID: <199602210732.IAA15735@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Well, as I said, I'll be doing my damndest to put the CVS tree on the > next CDROM anyway since the only reason I didn't before was simply due > to our self-imposed restrictions on it. > > However, you resurrect an earlier discussion I had earlier with WC, > actually: Would people be interested in SNAPSHOT CDs which also > contain the CVS tree at the point of the snapshot and anything else I > manage to cram on there? The CD would come very cheaply packaged, > would be available only by subscription and would probably be a fair > bit cheaper (I can't say for sure what that would be, but it wouldn't > be anything like the subscription price for the "mainstream" CD). > > Any interest? How much would you WANT it to cost? If I can present > WC with a list of customer preferences, it will greatly influence > those kinds of decisions. Well, I like the idea, so much that I was going to say "yes, I'll take one", until I realised that I already get the CVS updates on a daily basis :-) But maybe that begs the alternative question: would you (hackers, not Jordan) rather buy a snapshot CD for, say, $15 by the time negotiations are finished, or would you rather download the updates from time to time? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 02:57:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA25625 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:57:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA25620 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:57:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id DAA17889; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:57:33 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: charnier@lirmm.fr ("Philippe Charnier") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:39 +0100 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <199602210759.IAA08641@lirmm.lirmm.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. 101 root 2 0 500K 68K accept 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sendmail 153 charnier 2 0 460K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 98 root 2 0 196K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and rstatd: Can't get namelist If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. Note that strip -d seems to work ok. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 03:06:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA26198 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA26189 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id EAA18028; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:06:16 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: marc@bowtie.nl (Marc van Kempen) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Thot word processor Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:51 +0100 Lines: 44 Message-ID: <199602210856.JAA24084@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > > > > I don't remember who mentioned Thot -- anyway, I tried it, it runs, but when > > > you try to create or open any document: > > > > > > Undefined C library functions: > > > 1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.) > > > > > > ... and dies quietly. > > > > > > -- Phil > > > > > You need a newer Linux library, unfortunately all new libraries > > are QMAGIC, but you need ZMAGIC libraries. > > > > Does anyone have an idea how to get to new ZMAGIC libaries??? > > I have spoken with a friend who runs Linux, and he says if we tell him > exactly what we want, he can probably get it. He's not a beginner, > either, but I can't tell him, I know nothing about Linux and I haven't > tried any Linux emulation myself. If you guys can send me a message > describing what you need, exactly, well, let's see what he can do, OK? I did a little research, and it seems that QMAGIC is a newer a.out format which leaves the first page unmapped (from the gcc-faq). In the newer binutils the ZMAGIC format is no longer supported (`binutils-2.5.2l.17.bin.tar.gz'). I guess if your friend has binutils older than this, he will be able to help us. what is needed are newer shared version of libc and libm (the latest, I don't have the version numbers handy). Right now we have libc.so.4.5.26 and libm.so.4.5.26 Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 04:00:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA29099 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from isbalham (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29087 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id LAA07006 for freebsd.org!hackers; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:57:31 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:27:03 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:21:19 +0000 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Subject: duplicate messages Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >Original-Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org > (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25045 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 > 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >Original-Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by > freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24934 > Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:42 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO > protocol >To: Naoki Hamada >cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch >From: David Greenman >Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 >Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org >Precedence: bulk > >>> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to >>>malloc. [etc] is the same as: >Original-Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org > (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07503 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 > 21:31:54 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >To: hackers@freebsd.org >Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers >From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) >Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers >Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 >Lines: 19 >NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com >Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org >Precedence: bulk > >>> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to >>>malloc. [etc] -- Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 rb@gid.co.uk fax (01734) 894254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 04:03:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA29311 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29301 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:03:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id FAA18509; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:03:29 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: max@mics.msu.su (Drogajtcev Maxim Valerievich) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: help Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:07:37 +0300 Organization: MICS MSU Lines: 9 Message-ID: <312AEEE9.1576@mics.msu.su> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk help -- +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Drogajtcev Maxim Valerievich | System Administrator. Fax: 7 (095) 932 8997 | System Developer. Voice: 7 (095) 939 2307 | Moscow State University, Russia. e-mail: max@mics.msu.su | Microelectronic Center. UUDECODE, MIME, PGP and etc. | +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 04:11:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA29662 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29655 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id FAA18564; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:11:06 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:24:02 MET Lines: 20 Message-ID: <199602211028.LAA27713@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger > and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel > (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: > checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and > rstatd: Can't get namelist > If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: > checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. > Note that strip -d seems to work ok. Correct. A number of symbols referred to by programs via the nlist system call have recently been made static, and strip -x removes them. This will also cause problems with vmstat and iostat, and others that I forget. I think this is more a documentation problem than a system problem: if you make the kernel without -g, you don't run into this problem, and if you do use -g, strip -d does what you want. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 05:30:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03124 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03118 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id GAA19212; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:30:42 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: duplicate messages Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:21:19 +0000 Lines: 52 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >Original-Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org > (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25045 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 > 18:10:05 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >Original-Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by > freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24934 > Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:42 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO > protocol >To: Naoki Hamada >cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch >From: David Greenman >Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 >Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org >Precedence: bulk > >>> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to >>>malloc. [etc] is the same as: >Original-Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org > (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07503 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 > 21:31:54 -0800 (PST) >PP-warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line >To: hackers@freebsd.org >Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers >From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) >Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers >Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 >Lines: 19 >NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com >Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org >Precedence: bulk > >>> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to >>>malloc. [etc] -- Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 rb@gid.co.uk fax (01734) 894254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 05:34:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03332 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:34:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp [164.71.1.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03327 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:34:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX960213-Fujitsu Mail Gateway) id WAA02758; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:34:42 +0900 Received: from sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp by fdmmail.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb4/3.3W5-MX960213-Fujitsu Domain Mail Master) id WAA01496; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:34:10 +0900 Received: (from seki@localhost) by sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp (8.6.12+2.5Wb7/3.4W-) id WAA00818; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:30:57 +0900 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:30:57 +0900 From: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Message-Id: <199602211330.WAA00818@sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> To: koshy@india.hp.com (A JOSEPH KOSHY) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers In-Reply-To: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> References: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and > memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. For IRQ, DMA channel, and/or memory addresses, I support the idea that the driver should use the value detected at boot, *if* the driver can DETECT them but can NOT set them. If those settings can be changed by the driver, it *may* be better to use values specified in the config. I cannot just say one scenario is better, in this case. > I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address > in some drivers. Is this a convention? I believe so. I wrote my fe driver that way. Indeed, config accepts "?" for mem, for example, and generates -1. > Can anyone point me to further reading? I expect that "http://freefall.cdrom.com/~erich/ddwg/ddwg.html" will say something on the issue, in near future... BTW, PC card support for FreeBSD includes some *smart* handling of those settings. Windows 95, or some other competing operating systems have similar services for both PC cards and PnP ISA cards. Is anyone working on smart resource arbitration on FreeBSD for PnP ISA cards? From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 05:45:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03949 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10724 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:44:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: duplicate messages To: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET From: Greg Lehey In-Reply-To: ; from "Bob Bishop" at Feb 21, 96 11:21 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >> To: Naoki Hamada >> cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody out there have a valid example? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 06:43:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA05645 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com (freebsd.netcom.com [198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA05640 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id IAA12886; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:24 -0600 From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Message-Id: <199602211447.IAA12886@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: re: processes wouldn't die To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:24 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Philippe Charnier" > > Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd > receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following > configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps > program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. > 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I'm seeing this problem also. I believe that the 'ps' processes are hung trying to read something out of swap space. It feels like a deadlock condition to me. Philippe, could you tell us about your hardware configuration and what sort of software packages you run on that box? For the 2.1 historically conscious I had these problems for awhile in the sups after the 2.0-SNAP-0211 cut. After a few weeks of sup'ing the problem went away. It returned a few weeks prior to the 2.1R cut and has been there ever since. Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 07:05:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA06971 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.vil.ditec.de (gw.vil.ditec.de [192.109.176.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06925 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:04:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de (tartufo.muc.ditec.de [134.98.18.2]) by gw.vil.ditec.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10516 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:45:59 +0100 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:04 MET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:04 MET From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) To: coredump@nervosa.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <199602192116.WAA20624@keltia.freenix.fr> Reply-To: me@muc.DITEC.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: >> It seems that Narvi said: >> > > I've done this, it wasn't too difficult. I'm now running three >> > > nameds on our firewall bastion, one to serve the inside network >> > > with everything on the outside hidden and a wildcard MX-record >Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The >bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected >network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named >server, which of course, by default (firewalled), only trusts the >bastion host. This way you only run 2 named servers, and protect the >secrecy of the internal hosts. Of course, the only problem I can think >of is the possibility of the bastion named caching the lookups and >outsiders being able to see internal hostnames via the cache. You also want to be able to have *some* information about the company you're protecting visible to the outside. Consider our real scenario here: There's ditec.de and you can see, e.g. www.ditec.de ftp.ditec.de and mail.ditec.de from the outside, they're all hosts in our screened subnet. This information has to be shown to the outside world, otherwise no communication with our company from the outside would be possible. Thus, you need one server to serve the outside part of ditec.de. Now we need another server who serves the inside part of ditec.de, containing all the machines inside our firewall. There goes your second server. The bastion is special in that it needs to know about *both* the inside part of ditec.de for authentication of connections and mail delivery, as well as the rest of the world, so it knows about the machines the proxies and other agents want to connect *to*. You cannot use the external server or you wouldn't know about the internal part of ditec.de. Nor can you use the internal server, because it knows zilch about the rest of the world (it actually is its own root name server). Your only solution is to install a third name server that knows both the inside *and* the outside. I've installed it as a secondary of ditec.de, using the external server as forwarder. Incidentially you *don't* want neither external nor internal hosts to be able to query it, so binding to the local interface for that thing is a good idea. Additionaly we *do* have internal ftp and www servers, ftp.ditec.de and www.ditec.de which are on the internal network, giving you name redundancy from the view of the bastion that can connect to both, but that's another story :) Actually, the story is even more complicated, since DITEC has two separate internet connections and spreads over some 20 subdomains internally, but I hope you get the idea how this scenario might affect even smaller companies than ours. Btw., Everything I'm talking about here (name servers, ftp servers, www servers, news servers, of course runs exclusively FreeBSD :) Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 07:13:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07612 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.vil.ditec.de (gw.vil.ditec.de [192.109.176.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07598 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from tartufo.muc.ditec.de (tartufo.muc.ditec.de [134.98.18.2]) by gw.vil.ditec.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA10637 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:54:01 +0100 Received: by tartufo.muc.ditec.de (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.16.1 #16.39) id ; Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:12 MET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 16:12 MET From: me@tartufo.muc.ditec.de (Michael Elbel) To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: An ISP's Wishlist... Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <199602200657.HAA01159@keltia.freenix.fr> Reply-To: me@muc.DITEC.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >It seems that invalid opcode said: >> Why not just run 2 named servers on 2 seperate machines ( 2 total ). The >> bastion host would run named, and any name queries to the protected >> network would be forwarded to an internal host running the second named >There is an easier way. >Have two hosts, one runs the public DNS server. The second one is running >the private DNS server; it has the forwarders/slave clause in the >named.boot to resolve anything it's not primary or secondary for. The >public DNS machine is of course a _client_ of the private DNS. >Flow: > ^ server-server flow to resolv external hosts > | > | > | server-server flow (forwarders) > public <---------------------------------- private > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> > client-server flow ^ > I client-server flow > I > Internal hosts >That way, no risk with the public's cache leaking host names. This way you effectively prevent information about the inside from leaking out, but you still show ns information about the outside on the inside. This gives you problems without end with mail clients that resolve MX-records of outside hosts and try to connect directly to them from the inside. You have to specially configure *each* *and* *every* machine running a smtp server to forward mail for the outside to the mail relay. DIGITAL has a setup like this, which caused me no end of problems for years. With my three server approach, I simply put * MX records for both the . and the de domain into the internal server that point to the mail relay, and all standard smtp setups work. The only case I know of, where clients on the inside might actually need NS information of outside hosts is when you're using socks. In this situation, you have to make the dual-homed name server visible to the inside, but you don't use it as the main server. Michael -- Michael Elbel, DITEC, Muenchen, Germany - me@muc.ditec.de Fermentation fault (coors dumped) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 07:14:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07675 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07670 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id IAA20078; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:14:09 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: duplicate messages Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET Lines: 16 Message-ID: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >> To: Naoki Hamada >> cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody out there have a valid example? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 07:29:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08804 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08798 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by agora.rdrop.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0tpGTY-000AnuC; Wed, 21 Feb 96 07:29 PST Message-Id: From: batie@agora.rdrop.com (Alan Batie) Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199602210722.XAA13452@freefall.freebsd.org> from "owner-hackers-digest@freefall.freebsd.org" at Feb 20, 96 11:22:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > ed0: device timeout If this is the same problem I have with the Compex cards, you have to boot with -c and add "flags ed0 4" to force the driver into 16-bit mode. -- Alan Batie ______ Freedom for me to be and do batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / only what *you* approve of +1 503 452-0960 \ / is no freedom at all. DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A 27 \/ 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 07:56:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA10863 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10858 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA14054; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:53:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:53:44 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI cc: A JOSEPH KOSHY , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration In-Reply-To: <199602211330.WAA00818@sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Masahiro SEKIGUCHI wrote: > BTW, PC card support for FreeBSD includes some *smart* handling of > those settings. Windows 95, or some other competing operating systems > have similar services for both PC cards and PnP ISA cards. Is anyone > working on smart resource arbitration on FreeBSD for PnP ISA cards? Yes... I'm working it. I have PnP support working, and now I'm working on ways to reliably detect and keep track of the resources that non PnP drivers use (e.g. DRQ, IRQ, IO Port Range, iomem range etc.). I heard some stuff recently from the NetBSD camp about keeping track of iomem & IO port ranges-- I'm gonna try to wait to see what they produce. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 08:30:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12040 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:30:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12015 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA10221; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:30:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199602211630.KAA10221@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: jmb@freebsd.org Subject: An example with headers! An example with headers! Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Compiler-Motto: Wintermute is dead. Long live Wintermute. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:30:14 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I don't know, there's something so... self-fulfilling about this one... jdl PS- Lessee, this means most of you guys've seen this *4* times now, while jmb's seen it *6*. Cool. Return-Path: owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA09764 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:04:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03982 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03949 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10724 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:44:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: duplicate messages To: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET From: Greg Lehey In-Reply-To: ; from "Bob Bishop" at Feb 21, 96 11:21 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >> To: Naoki Hamada >> cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody out there have a valid example? Greg Return-Path: owner-freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA09859 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:02 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07700 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07675 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07670 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id IAA20078; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:14:09 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: duplicate messages Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET Lines: 16 Message-ID: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: >> To: Naoki Hamada >> cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody out there have a valid example? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 08:33:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12140 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12134 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:33:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA25054 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:34:20 +0800 Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 21 Feb 96 16:30:08 GMT From: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199602181213.NAA02852@nietzsche.bowtie.nl>, Subject: Re: Thot word processor Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) writes: >On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: >> > I don't remember who mentioned Thot -- anyway, I tried it, it runs, but when >> > you try to create or open any document: >> > >> > Undefined C library functions: >> > 1. light C shared image (Use the real one instead.) >> > >> > ... and dies quietly. >> > >> > -- Phil >> > >> You need a newer Linux library, unfortunately all new libraries >> are QMAGIC, but you need ZMAGIC libraries. >> >> Does anyone have an idea how to get to new ZMAGIC libaries??? >I have spoken with a friend who runs Linux, and he says if we tell him >exactly what we want, he can probably get it. He's not a beginner, >either, but I can't tell him, I know nothing about Linux and I haven't >tried any Linux emulation myself. If you guys can send me a message >describing what you need, exactly, well, let's see what he can do, OK? BTW: -current's Linux emulator now does QMAGIC just fine, as well as ZMAGIC. QMAGIC is ***much*** preferred, as it allows proper shared libraries. If you use ZMAGIC libraries, you do not share any code between processes and each copy of the program has a seperate copy in memory. Needless to say, you run out of memory very quickly with ZMAGIC. I use the a.out libraries from the slackware 3.0 distribution. I dont know if there are newer versions out now. -Peter >> >> Regards, >> Marc. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology >> Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases >> tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 >> fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl >> ---------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- >Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data >chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. >9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | >Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD >(301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! >----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 08:40:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12578 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12480 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA20816 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:39:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211639.RAA20816@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: duplicate messages To: jc@irbs.com (John Capo) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 17:34:57 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199602211521.KAA27410@goombay.irbs.com>; from "John Capo" at Feb 21, 96 10:21 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Greg Lehey writes: >> >> Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I >> had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to >> rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers >> and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and >> I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody >> out there have a valid example? >> > > Looks like Dave Siegel has a mail->news gateway that's leaking a > bit. Yes, looks like it. I now have received both copies of the message to which you replied. Here are the headers: From nerv Wed Feb 21 15:57 MET 1996 Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by charlie.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA01336; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:01:31 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA27698; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:58:04 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03969 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03957 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03949 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10724 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:44:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: duplicate messages To: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET From: Greg Lehey In-Reply-To: ; from "Bob Bishop" at Feb 21, 96 11:21 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 550 Status: RO From nerv Wed Feb 21 17:30 MET 1996 Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA20455; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:34:56 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA28149; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:24:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07688 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA07675 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07670 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id IAA20078; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:14:09 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: duplicate messages Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 14:40:11 MET Lines: 16 Message-ID: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Content-Type: text Content-Length: 550 Just for interest's sake, I wish I knew how freefall decides where to send these messages. Most messages seem to get sent to zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de or somewhere in Aachen, neither of which are on sni.de's MX record list. Any insight? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 08:40:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12634 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12627 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602211640.IAA12627@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: An example with headers! An example with headers! To: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:40:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, jmb@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602211630.KAA10221@chrome.jdl.com> from "Jon Loeliger" at Feb 21, 96 10:30:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk at the risk of generating more mail about the fact that we are all receiving too much mail, i have contacted rtd.com and removed them from the lists. cycle time seems to be running about 35 minutes from freefall to rtd.com and back, so in about that much time the duplications should stop. at least ti was a newserver that recognises articles it has already processed. jmb Jon Loeliger wrote: > > > I don't know, there's something so... self-fulfilling about this one... > > jdl > > PS- Lessee, this means most of you guys've seen this *4* times now, > while jmb's seen it *6*. Cool. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 08:58:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA13524 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:58:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13519 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (mmead@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20839; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:57:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602211657.LAA20839@Glock.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: Glock.COM: Host mmead@localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: multimedia@star-gate.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: frameserv and clients Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:57:56 -0500 From: "matthew c. mead" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm currently working on a framserver for the Connectix QuickCam. Basically, it's a unix domain sockets server that waits for connections and upon getting them grabs a frame from the camera using the libqcam.a (from qcam-0.3) routines and shoves the frame down sockets to the client applications. This implementation could easily be change/extended to use tcp/ip connections so that you could have a machine grabbing frames and clients elsewhere snagging them from across the network. Anyway, what all this is geared toward doing is making the job of accessing the camera a non-exclusive task. My goals are to get an optimal frame rate while allowing more than one program to get frames at the same time. From the sounds of a few messages that I saw posted in the past day, the meteor grabber code could be incorporated into the server very easily so that those with a meteor could grab from it in the same manner. Unfortunately, this is my first "real" sockets application, so my implementation is still a bit lacking. I'm working on getting things as speed efficient as possible, and I hope to have all the sockets stuff working a whole lot more smoothly in the next few days. Right now the client/server setup I have works fine, but is a little heavy handed with CPU usage. The problems I'm having that cause this are related to having to do multiple write()s to get all the data out to the clients. Does this sound interesting to anyone? I'm thinking about making this into a full blown generic frameserver application that could be used on many platforms and accessed with a standard library that I'm working on as I go. I'm going to reimplement my simple "snapshot" client using this library's calls as soon as I get the library working. If anyone's interested, I can slap a copyright on this stuff and pack it up for anon ftp. I'm planning on trying to make my preliminary release within the next week, but I thought I would offer the source up to hackers here in case anyone wanted to help me fix some of this stuff... -matt PS - the code is up and running and taking pictures every minute and placing them at http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/qcampics/snap0.jp g -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:02:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13788 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA13782 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602211702.JAA13782@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: mail routing and duplicates:wq To: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:02:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: jc@irbs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602211639.RAA20816@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Feb 21, 96 05:34:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Looks like Dave Siegel has a mail->news gateway that's leaking a > > bit. i have spoken with rtd.com. they are fixing the problem. > Just for interest's sake, I wish I knew how freefall decides where to > send these messages. Most messages seem to get sent to > zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de or somewhere in Aachen, neither of which are > on sni.de's MX record list. Any insight? to ease the mail load on freeefall, we make use of the /etc/mailertable capability in sendmail v8. various domains are re-routed to get the mail off freefall fast. works pretty well ;) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:06:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14088 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14079 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id KAA21886; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:06:35 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: re: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:24 -0600 (CST) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <199602211447.IAA12886@freebsd.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Philippe Charnier" > > Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd > receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following > configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps > program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. > 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I'm seeing this problem also. I believe that the 'ps' processes are hung trying to read something out of swap space. It feels like a deadlock condition to me. Philippe, could you tell us about your hardware configuration and what sort of software packages you run on that box? For the 2.1 historically conscious I had these problems for awhile in the sups after the 2.0-SNAP-0211 cut. After a few weeks of sup'ing the problem went away. It returned a few weeks prior to the 2.1R cut and has been there ever since. Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:07:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14159 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14152 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA22283 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 18:07:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199602211707.SAA22283@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates:wq To: jmb@freefall.freebsd.org (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 18:03:06 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199602211702.JAA13782@freefall.freebsd.org>; from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Feb 21, 96 9:02 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Just for interest's sake, I wish I knew how freefall decides where to >> send these messages. Most messages seem to get sent to >> zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de or somewhere in Aachen, neither of which are >> on sni.de's MX record list. Any insight? > > to ease the mail load on freeefall, we make use of the > /etc/mailertable capability in sendmail v8. various domains > are re-routed to get the mail off freefall fast. works > pretty well ;) Hey, that's a nice way to do it! Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:47:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16420 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:47:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from eac.iafrica.com (slipper101144.iafrica.com [196.7.101.144]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16413 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by eac.iafrica.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA00608; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:42:32 +0200 From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199602211742.TAA00608@eac.iafrica.com> Subject: Re: duplicate messages To: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:42:30 +0200 (SAT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, rb@gid.co.uk In-Reply-To: <199602211344.OAA10724@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Feb 21, 96 02:40:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > > Er, I'm seeing large nos of dups in this list today. Eg: > > >> To: Naoki Hamada > >> cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org > > > Same here. I was just researching the fact. Unfortunately, the one I > had appears to have been sent both to hackers and to > rtd.freebsd.hackers. Yours seems to have been sent both to hackers > and current, so it's not typical either. One of mine came twice, and > I know I didn't do anything like that, but I deleted it. Does anybody > out there have a valid example? I've been receiving duplicates too. (Looks like it's heading for a complete set, with gaps due possibly to delays in transmission.) Currently, there are 31 duplicated messages on hackers alone. >From what I can make out, rtd.com is turning questions, hackers, etc. into newsgroups and then sending them straight back to freefall. --- original --- Return-Path: Received: from sun2.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0tpEgh-000AZea; Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:34 GMT+0200 Received: from sun2.iafrica.com by sun2.iafrica.com with requeue-for-iafrica (Smail3.1.29.1 #29) id m0tpEgg-001htea; Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:34 EET Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun2.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #29) id m0tpEgY-000O3ua; Wed, 21 Feb 96 15:34 EET Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29146 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA29099 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from isbalham (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29087 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id LAA07006 for freebsd.org!hackers; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:57:31 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:27:03 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:21:19 +0000 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Subject: duplicate messages Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ---duplicate--- Return-Path: Received: from sun2.iafrica.com by goofy.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #20) id m0tpHLA-000AZla; Wed, 21 Feb 96 18:24 GMT+0200 Received: from sun2.iafrica.com by sun2.iafrica.com with requeue-for-iafrica (Smail3.1.29.1 #29) id m0tpH13-001hupa; Wed, 21 Feb 96 18:03 EET Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun2.iafrica.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #29) id m0tpH0n-000OBwa; Wed, 21 Feb 96 18:03 EET Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03142 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03124 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03118 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 05:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id GAA19212; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:30:42 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: duplicate messages Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:21:19 +0000 Lines: 52 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk -- Robert Nordier From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:59:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17152 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:59:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jessica.RatsNest.VaBeach.VA.US. (shiva3.ipctech.com [205.197.74.249]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17141 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:59:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602211759.JAA17141@freefall.freebsd.org> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Pavlov's Cat" Organization: Organized? Me? Hah! To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:59:24 -240 Subject: kernel pppd & Shiva LanRover Reply-to: SimsS@Infi.Net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, hack-folks! Anyone have any experience getting kernel-mode ppp to work as a client connecting to a Shiva LanRover? I've spent an ungodly amount of time trying to get this to work, to no success. I have been able to get userland ppp to work, but I'd rather have kernel mode to make it more compatible with another system at the site (but that one goes thru an Annex not sweat.) Details: 2.1.0-Release system, 386/33, 16Mb, ep0 & cuaa0 Remote end: 8-port Shiva LanRover, running 3.5 pppd version 2.1.2 Any help and I owe you a bunch of #include TIA -- ...sjs... Steve Sims (SJS7) SimsS@Infi.Net Systems Engineer, IPC Technologies, Inc. Virginia Beach, VA "Everyone wants to save the Earth; Nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes." ...P.J. O'Roarke From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:20:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18276 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpp.minn.net (root@mpp.Minn.Net [204.157.201.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18269 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mpp@localhost) by mpp.minn.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) id MAA03068; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:20:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199602211820.MAA03068@mpp.minn.net> Subject: Re: processes wouldn't die To: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:20:04 -0600 (CST) From: "Mike Pritchard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602211447.IAA12886@freebsd.netcom.com> from "Mark Hittinger" at Feb 21, 96 08:47:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Mark Hittinger wrote: > > > > From: "Philippe Charnier" > > > > Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd > > receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following > > configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps > > program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. > > 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > > 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd > > I'm seeing this problem also. I believe that the 'ps' processes are hung > trying to read something out of swap space. It feels like a deadlock > condition to me. > > Philippe, could you tell us about your hardware configuration and what sort > of software packages you run on that box? > > For the 2.1 historically conscious I had these problems for awhile in the > sups after the 2.0-SNAP-0211 cut. After a few weeks of sup'ing the problem > went away. It returned a few weeks prior to the 2.1R cut and has been there > ever since. Are you running "pppd" on your machine? I just tracked down a the same type of hang on my machine, and determined that something in the kernel mode PPP was trashing the swap list somehow. If I disabled BSD style compression (the -bsdcomp flag), everything was fine. So far I've been unable to figure out exactly what in the bsd compress code is causing the problem. This may also be related to the problems other people are seeing with "top" and "swapinfo" being unable to read the swap list, since that is also a symptom of the problem. -- Mike Pritchard mpp@minn.net "Go that way. Really fast. If something gets in your way, turn" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 11:20:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21409 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21404 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21889; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:20:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:20:45 -0600 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199602211920.NAA21889@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: mmead@Glock.COM, multimedia@star-gate.com Subject: Re: frameserv and clients Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: "matthew c. mead" > > I'm currently working on a framserver for the Connectix > QuickCam. Basically, it's a unix domain sockets server that > waits for connections and upon getting them grabs a frame from > the camera using the libqcam.a (from qcam-0.3) routines and > shoves the frame down sockets to the client applications. This > implementation could easily be change/extended to use tcp/ip > connections so that you could have a machine grabbing frames and > clients elsewhere snagging them from across the network. > [...] I started to think about this also, but this is what vic already does. The missing piece of this is the abilty to remote control the server, but I beleive this is being handled by the conference bus that is planned for the vic/vat applications. Vic reads video data from a capture board, compress the data, and send it out to the network. It is also a receiver and a user interface, but part of it is a video frame grabber for the network. The user API is really RTP so application can recieve unicast or multicast packets and decode the RTP frames. A neat interface to this would be to grab RTP frames from a session and plop them into a web page somewhere. Sort of the the mbone vcr for single frames. If you would like more details on vic, you might want to check out Steve McCanne's home page: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/mccanne -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 11:54:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA23578 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas.com (gw.atlas.com [205.139.124.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA23571 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from billthecat.atlas.com. (billthecat.atlas.com [97.12.13.38]) by atlas.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA18337 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by billthecat.atlas.com. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00679; Wed, 21 Feb 96 11:43:48 PST Message-Id: <9602211943.AA00679@billthecat.atlas.com.> Subject: need help w/rpc stuff To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:43:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Brant Katkansky" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm porting some proprietary software from SunOS 4.x to run under FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE and having some problems with included header files. The includes are as follows: #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include With just these includes, and an empty main() function, the cc compiler spits out the following: In file included from foo.c:50: /usr/include/rpc/auth.h:84: parse error before `*' In file included from foo.c:51: /usr/include/rpc/clnt.h:278: warning: `struct sockaddr_in' declared inside parameter list /usr/include/rpc/clnt.h:278: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, /usr/include/rpc/clnt.h:278: warning: which is probably not what you want. /usr/include/rpc/clnt.h:308: warning: `struct sockaddr_in' declared inside parameter list /usr/include/rpc/clnt.h:315: warning: `struct sockaddr_in' declared inside parameter list In file included from foo.c:52: /usr/include/rpc/pmap_prot.h:100: parse error before `*' /usr/include/rpc/pmap_prot.h:101: parse error before `*' In file included from foo.c:55: /usr/include/rpc/svc.h:225: parse error before `xdrproc_t' I suspect that I need to add one or more additional includes, but I have no idea. BTW, this code compiles fine under SunOS. -- Brant Katkansky (brantk@atlas.com) Systems Test Engineer, ADC From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:08:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24502 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24496 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA04308 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:09:27 +0800 Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 21 Feb 96 19:56:31 GMT From: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199602211521.KAA27410@goombay.irbs.com>, <199602211639.RAA20816@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: duplicate messages Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) writes: [...] >Just for interest's sake, I wish I knew how freefall decides where to >send these messages. Most messages seem to get sent to >zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de or somewhere in Aachen, neither of which are >on sni.de's MX record list. Any insight? >Greg The sites are regional exploders for the FreeBSD mailing lists. The idea is that instead of sending 50 or 100 copies of each message into the same region, one or two are sent to the exploder which does the fanout locally. It has a few bumps, but seems to work generally pretty well, and has _dramatically_ reduced the mail load on freefall. The current list is in /etc/mailertable on freefall: # # After editing this file, run (as root) # makemap hash /etc/mailertable.db < /etc/mailertable # # See RFC 1394 for country <--> domain mapping # # Domainname Mailer:hostname # phk@freebsd.org .at smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .be smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .ch smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .cz smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .dk smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .ee smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .es smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .fi smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .hu smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .is smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .lt smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .lv smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .no smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .nl smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .pl smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .pt smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .ru smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org .se smtp8:mail-relay.dk.freebsd.org # # # via phk@tfs.com fallback: julian@tfs.com .tfs.com smtp8:mailhub.tfs.com #.mil smtp8:ref.tfs.com #.com smtp8:ref.tfs.com #.org smtp8:ref.tfs.com #.gov smtp8:ref.tfs.com #.net smtp8:ref.tfs.com #.us smtp8:ref.tfs.com # # joerg@freebsd.org .de smtp8:mail-relay.de.freebsd.org .leo.org smtp8:mail-relay.de.freebsd.org .sub.org smtp8:mail-relay.de.freebsd.org # # via ache@freebsd.org .su smtp8:relay1.kiae.su # # peter@freebsd.org .au smtp8:mail.au.freebsd.org .dialix.com smtp8:mail.au.freebsd.org # # garrett@freebsd.org .edu smtp8:halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu # # shaun@emma.sea.uct.ac.za /peter #.za smtp8:storm.sea.uct.ac.za .za smtp8:mail-relay.za.freebsd.org .iafrica.com smtp8:mail-relay.za.freebsd.org .sdd.com smtp8:mail-relay.za.freebsd.org # # roberto@freebsd.org /peter .fr smtp8:mail.fr.freebsd.org .fr.net smtp8:mail.fr.freebsd.org .fdn.org smtp8:mail.fr.freebsd.org # # hacks .netcom.com smtp8:netcom.com .sg smtp8:technet.sg .harris.com smtp8:harris.com .rockwell.com smtp8:rockwell.com .tmc.edu smtp8:tmc.edu # # / gpalmer .uk smtp8:ft-mailhost.brunel.ac.uk # # simokawa@sat.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp / asami .jp smtp8:mail-relay.jp.freebsd.org To see who "mail-relay.de.freebsd.org" is (for example), use the "host" command on FreeBSD and other systems. peter@jhome[4:03am]~src-116# host mail-relay.de.freebsd.org mail-relay.de.freebsd.org mail is handled (pri=100) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de mail-relay.de.freebsd.org mail is handled (pri=200) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de In this case the primary exploder is zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de with a fallback of gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de. In particular, we are looking for more sites in Asia and the South Americas. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:14:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA24777 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:14:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24770 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (193.174.9.9) with smtp id ; Wed, 21 Feb 96 21:14 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org id ; Wed, 21 Feb 96 21:14 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25819; Wed, 21 Feb 96 21:07:39 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 21:07:39 +0100 Message-Id: <9602212007.AA25819@wavehh.hanse.de> From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: current-users@netbsd.org, sent@wavehh.hanse.de Subject: Document comparing NetBSD/FreeBSD (in German for now) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a document expressing my opinions about NetBSD vs FreeBSD availiable at http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/bsd/cracauer/ Yes, I know this this is not an easy task. I think the current situation without any comparing documentation on NetBSD and FreeBSD hurts the BSD camp as a whole. So far, my German friends thought this document is sufficient fair and labeld as my personal opinion. If you feel the same way, please help me by pointing out any incorrect or misleading piece left from the German 'beta' :-) This document is in German language and I'm going to translate it to English. If you are capable of reading German, I'd appreciate your comments before I invest my time in the translation. If you can't, but want to help, you may also ask me to put you on a list of people to look over the translation before I announce it to the public. Thanks for your time. Happy Hacking Martin From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:57:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27236 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27224 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA05373; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:56:19 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199602212056.PAA05373@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: frameserv and clients To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 15:56:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: multimedia@star-gate.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602211920.NAA21889@miller.cs.uwm.edu> from "Jim Lowe" at Feb 21, 96 01:20:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jim Lowe writes: > > From: "matthew c. mead" > > I'm currently working on a framserver for the Connectix > > QuickCam. Basically, it's a unix domain sockets server that > > waits for connections and upon getting them grabs a frame from > > the camera using the libqcam.a (from qcam-0.3) routines and > > shoves the frame down sockets to the client applications. This > > implementation could easily be change/extended to use tcp/ip > > connections so that you could have a machine grabbing frames and > > clients elsewhere snagging them from across the network. > > [...] > I started to think about this also, but this is what vic already does. > The missing piece of this is the abilty to remote control the server, > but I beleive this is being handled by the conference bus that is > planned for the vic/vat applications. Hmm. I have vic on my system, but have not been able to get its quickcam patches to actually take pictures from my quickcam. Unfortunately, Virginia Tech won't pipe MBONE out to the BEV Ethernet routers, so I can't get MBONE without someone tunnelling, and the closest person is, you guessed it, Virginia Tech. > Vic reads video data from a capture board, compress the data, > and send it out to the network. It is also a receiver and a user > interface, but part of it is a video frame grabber for the network. > The user API is really RTP so application can recieve unicast or > multicast packets and decode the RTP frames. A neat interface > to this would be to grab RTP frames from a session and plop > them into a web page somewhere. Sort of the the mbone vcr for > single frames. Hmm. Ok, so when vic runs it is actually two parts? It's a grabber program that knows how to snag frames, and a client program which knows how to get them from the grabber program? > If you would like more details on vic, you might want to check > out Steve McCanne's home page: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/mccanne Let me explain the main reasoning behind my development of frameserv and friends. It's pretty simple actually - I want to have fast access to frames off the quickcam (or other capture devices), while also allowing *multiple* programs to get those frames at the same time. Does vic's setup allow this or does it require exclusive use of the device you're grabbing video from? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:10:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA04001 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03996 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA10140; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:41 -0800 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.com Subject: 3c509 problems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Is anybody seeing problems with 3c509B's under 2.1-STABLE? My 3com Linkbuilder hubs are reporting very high collision rates, yet the netstat -i output doesn't show the same info. Nor is the load highenough (7-10%) to justify a high collision rate. Boxes with 2.1-RELEASE (generic) don't show the same problem... From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:26:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA04702 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.9.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04697 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:26:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA07493; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:26:10 -0600 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199602212226.QAA07493@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: mmead@Glock.COM Subject: Re: frameserv and clients Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, multimedia@star-gate.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm. I have vic on my system, but have not been able to get its > quickcam patches to actually take pictures from my quickcam. Unfortunately, > Virginia Tech won't pipe MBONE out to the BEV Ethernet routers, so I can't get > MBONE without someone tunnelling, and the closest person is, you guessed it, > Virginia Tech. I would probably try and debug the qcam stuff to make it work. You can run all the mbone tools vic, vat, etc... unicast as well as multicast. You can also run them on your local network as multicast. You will have the same restrictions if you use vic or write your own application. > > Hmm. Ok, so when vic runs it is actually two parts? It's a grabber > program that knows how to snag frames, and a client program which knows how to > get them from the grabber program? Yes, you can look at it that way. Vic grabs frames from video capture cards on various platforms. It has various capabilities including hooks for hardware mpeg, jpeg, etc... encoding. It can transmit these packets to the network with unicast or multicast. It is also a receiver of this information. Vic knows how to decode RTP packets and display them in an X11 window. I guess you could call it a full duplex video application program. The nice thing about vic is that it already uses IP and RTP so you don't have to reinvent the API. You can use RTP as your video API... > Let me explain the main reasoning behind my development of frameserv > and friends. It's pretty simple actually - I want to have fast access to > frames off the quickcam (or other capture devices), while also allowing > *multiple* programs to get those frames at the same time. Does vic's setup > allow this or does it require exclusive use of the device you're grabbing video > from? > Vic (as well as your frame grabber) will require exclusive access to the device to grab the frames. You want to put the frames on the network so many things can read the same frames. Vic does this. You can use multicast or unicast to do this. I suppose you can also use the local loopback device. Another method would be to use shared memory -- but then you would need a shared memory network extension for your machine (I think I saw one of these somewhere-mnfs?). The major problem with grabbing frames is the amount of bandwidth things comsume. If you have a quickcam (greyscale device) with a small frame size (160x120) it doesn't consume much bandwidth. 160x120, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 19.2 kbytes/second. 320x240, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 76.8 kbytes/second. 640x480, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 307.2 kbytes/second. Multiply by 30 for real-time video (30fps), then by either 2 for yuv 4:2:2 encoding or 4 for true color (possibly 3). You will note that these numbers get real big real fast. One will need some sort of compression algorithm to deal with this. Vic already has h.261 and nv encoding and has been designed to deal with hardware compression. You can easily add whatever encoding algorithm you wish to vic. And it outputs something we all know about, namely RTP. My only point, and feel free to ignore me, is that a network frame grabber is already available. It has all the tools one needs to do everything you described and it does much more. By developing RTP tools to work with it, you don't need to reinvent the wheel and there may be other uses for tools you invent other than the ones originally intended. -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:28:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA04850 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04843 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA20524 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:28:01 -0800 Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id XAA26823 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:26:36 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA24453; Wed, 21 Feb 96 23:26:35 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA02876; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:25:53 +0100 Message-Id: <9602212225.AA02876@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> Subject: iostat To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:25:52 +0100 (MET) Cc: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi, I have been trying to implement a new version of iostat for FreeBSD for some time now and I think that it have become stable enough to let some one else test it. At the current stage it implements the -c -w options and the possibility to specify the order of the disk that it should display. It does not show any information about tty and cpu. Some extra features that is implemented are the -x mode (extended mode like Solaris), that give's information about service-time activity jobs waiting. The -l flag for "limit" is alos implemented and limits the number of drives that should be shown. I did also implement a -n flag that just give the old iostat information expect msps that is exchanged for service-time as a proposal for a new standard format for iostat. The implementation consist of two parts one kernel part and one user progra. The kernel part consist of a couple of functions that is called from the device-driver and that way make the effort needed to support more device-drivers low. Currently only the sd and fd drivers are supported because that's the only ones that I could test. Because of the need for better time percision the implementation curently uses microtime to get the time, but this is'nt realy that good, because it is possible for it to go backward! So if someone think that this is something that could be usefull for FreeBSD I would love to rewrite it for a simple clock that only should be useful to get delta times from, but with high percisiton. I have uploaded the sourcecode (files and diffs) as: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/incomoing/iostat.960221.tar.gz But remember that this is the first release so it isn't a verry well tested version. /Mattias --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:33:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05276 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05271 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA06732; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199602212232.RAA06732@Glock.COM> Subject: qcframeserv very pre-alpha To: multimedia@star-gate.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:32:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, connectix-linux@crynwr.com, jason@scott.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk A *very* alpha preliminary release of qcframeserv is at ftp://ftp.goof.com/users/mmead/qcframeserv.tar.gz Please send feedback, especially on the sockets stuff - I need to make it less CPU hungry... -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:41:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA05924 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:41:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05899 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA27099 ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:41:03 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA08441 ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:41:02 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id XAA12327; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:11:28 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602212211.XAA12327@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:11:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Feb 20, 96 01:42:29 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Jordan K. Hubbard said: > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) Unless you're poor enough to have a 3c503 :-( * Currently supports the Western Digital/SMC 8003 and 8013 series, * the SMC Elite Ultra (8216), the 3Com 3c503, the NE1000 and NE2000, * and a variety of similar clones. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 14:53:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA06638 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA06629 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA06228; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:52:49 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA21976; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:52:48 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id XAA21707; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:21:22 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602212221.XAA21707@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates:wq To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:21:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602211707.SAA22283@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Feb 21, 96 06:03:06 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: > > to ease the mail load on freeefall, we make use of the > > /etc/mailertable capability in sendmail v8. various domains > > are re-routed to get the mail off freefall fast. works > > pretty well ;) > > Hey, that's a nice way to do it! Should you have any other suggestions regarding the .de domain, speak to me. I'm currently routing *.de, *.sub.org, and *.leo.org via mail-relay.de.freebsd.org, which is actually an MX consisting of two machines where we've got permission of the owners to dump them the mail load for the .de domain. If you know of further domains that would benefit from this, or of major .de subdomains that should _not_ be routed via Germany in the first place (since they don't have a cross-connection to the WiN), let me know. If you have other .de subdomains that would better go to a different MX, get the permission of that MX, and tell it, too. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 17:44:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17249 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17240 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:44:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602220144.RAA17240@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@freebsd.com Subject: Re: 3c509 problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:10:40 PST." Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:44:21 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >Is anybody seeing problems with 3c509B's under 2.1-STABLE? My 3com >Linkbuilder hubs are reporting very high collision rates, yet the netstat >-i output doesn't show the same info. Nor is the load highenough (7-10%) >to justify a high collision rate. > >Boxes with 2.1-RELEASE (generic) don't show the same problem... The driver from -current needs to be brought back into -stable. I would attempt it, but my drive that had -stable on it decided to die yesturday and is now on its way back to Quantum for replacement. I've almost completed an eisaconf probe for the 3c5x9s (it was also delayed by this unexpected drive failure) that will need to be back ported to -stable since it removes a probe conflict with the 2940. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 17:50:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA17528 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:50:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17522 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 17:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA15423; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:16:18 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602220146.MAA15423@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: need help w/rpc stuff To: brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com (Brant Katkansky) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:16:17 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@FREEBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9602211943.AA00679@billthecat.atlas.com.> from "Brant Katkansky" at Feb 21, 96 11:43:47 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FREEBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brant Katkansky stands accused of saying: > > I'm porting some proprietary software from SunOS 4.x to run under > FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE and having some problems with included header > files. > > The includes are as follows: > > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include > #include ... > I suspect that I need to add one or more additional includes, but I have > no idea. BTW, this code compiles fine under SunOS. Your header ordering is broken. SunOS must be shadow-including behind your back (typical Sun braindamage). This works : #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include > Brant Katkansky (brantk@atlas.com) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 19:41:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA23686 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23676 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 19:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA29958; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:41:19 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199602220341.UAA29958@hemi.com> Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users To: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:41:19 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602201925.UAA07476@gvr.win.tue.nl> from "Guido van Rooij" at Feb 20, 96 08:25:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > recieve mail.. Not if they're blocked by resetting their password to '*' or somesuch. -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 20:26:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA26023 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:26:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26018 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA128183161; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 20:26:11 -0800 Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA051632939; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:52:19 +0530 Message-Id: <199602220422.AA051632939@fakir.india.hp.com> To: Masahiro SEKIGUCHI Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:30:57 +0900." <199602211330.WAA00818@sphinx.sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:52:18 +0530 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> ms == Masahiro SEKIGUCHI said: >>>>> ms> For IRQ, DMA channel, and/or memory addresses, I support the idea that ms> the driver should use the value detected at boot, *if* the driver can ms> DETECT them but can NOT set them. A question here: if a card is determined (by reading the hardware) to reside at port 0x300 and IRQ 5, can we change the kernel isa_dev structure overwriting the configured values in the structure? The question is: Is this a safe thing to do in general? --- ms> If those settings can be changed by the driver, it *may* be better to ms> use values specified in the config. I cannot just say one scenario is ms> better, in this case. My thinking was that reconfiguring the hardware shouldn't be part of the regular driver. For one it violates the principle of least surprise; for example if a user is running DOS and FreeBSD. We would want the BSD driver to change settings on the card every time it boots forcing the user to re-run his DOS config utilities everytime. Secondly, configuring software configurable cards adds another magnitude of complexity and board model dependence to the driver. Thirdly, FreeBSD's pre-configured idea of interrupts and IO addresses may clash with some other hardware present on the system. So I thought it was better for FreeBSD to obey the hardware settings instead of the other way round. --- Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 22:19:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA00463 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00458 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 22:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16573; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:19:00 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199602220619.BAA16573@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: frameserv and clients To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:19:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, multimedia@star-gate.com In-Reply-To: <199602212226.QAA07493@miller.cs.uwm.edu> from "Jim Lowe" at Feb 21, 96 04:26:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jim Lowe writes: > > Hmm. I have vic on my system, but have not been able to get its > > quickcam patches to actually take pictures from my quickcam. Unfortunately, > > Virginia Tech won't pipe MBONE out to the BEV Ethernet routers, so I can't get > > MBONE without someone tunnelling, and the closest person is, you guessed it, > > Virginia Tech. > I would probably try and debug the qcam stuff to make it work. It was because of the way it handles the white balance, brightness, and contrast settings. Sujal and I got it working tonight, sort of. You have to set the controls with sliders each time you use the camera. There should be a way to hardcode these in a config file if you know what your camera works best at in your lighting situation. Also, another note - we couldn't get vic to do two way. We don't have multicast between us, so we would do vic glock.com/5000 at which point I could see him but he couldn't see me. So we ran two copies each, one connecting to his host, one to mine. That worked. Eventually for some reason one of the vic's on each of our ends would crash. Then the first vic worked bidirectionally. Odd! > You can run all the mbone tools vic, vat, etc... unicast as well as > multicast. You can also run them on your local network as multicast. > You will have the same restrictions if you use vic or write your > own application. Right, I know. > > Hmm. Ok, so when vic runs it is actually two parts? It's a grabber > > program that knows how to snag frames, and a client program which knows how to > > get them from the grabber program? > Yes, you can look at it that way. Vic grabs frames from video capture > cards on various platforms. It has various capabilities including hooks > for hardware mpeg, jpeg, etc... encoding. It can transmit these packets > to the network with unicast or multicast. It is also a receiver of > this information. Vic knows how to decode RTP packets and display them > in an X11 window. I guess you could call it a full duplex video application > program. The nice thing about vic is that it already uses IP and RTP > so you don't have to reinvent the API. You can use RTP as your video API... Ack! I guess I didn't make myself understandable about why I want to build this framserver. The idea is to make an intermediate interface to video grabbing hardware that is fast and can allow multiple devices to access that hardware all at the same time. Sujal and I talked a little about this tonight, and he thought that the kernel driver qcam0 could be made to accept multiple readers to achieve the same thing. Any ideas on this? Should I quit development? > Vic (as well as your frame grabber) will require exclusive access to > the device to grab the frames. You want to put the frames on the > network so many things can read the same frames. Vic does this. > You can use multicast or unicast to do this. I suppose you can also > use the local loopback device. Another method would be to use > shared memory -- but then you would need a shared memory network > extension for your machine (I think I saw one of these somewhere-mnfs?). I understand. The thing is, this frameserv can sit in the background and not eat CPU until it's called, and it's the only thing that will have exclusive access to the device. To get data from the device, other things connect to the frameserv, which knows how to handle multiple devices! :-) > The major problem with grabbing frames is the amount of bandwidth > things comsume. If you have a quickcam (greyscale device) with a > small frame size (160x120) it doesn't consume much bandwidth. > 160x120, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 19.2 kbytes/second. > 320x240, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 76.8 kbytes/second. > 640x480, greyscale, 1 frame/second uses 307.2 kbytes/second. > Multiply by 30 for real-time video (30fps), then by either > 2 for yuv 4:2:2 encoding or 4 for true color (possibly 3). > You will note that these numbers get real big real fast. One will > need some sort of compression algorithm to deal with this. Vic > already has h.261 and nv encoding and has been designed to deal with > hardware compression. You can easily add whatever encoding algorithm > you wish to vic. And it outputs something we all know about, namely > RTP. Right - but the best you'll get out of the quickcam is like 15fps at a low resolution. This amount of data is not enough to saturate a unix domain socket connection. > My only point, and feel free to ignore me, is that a network frame > grabber is already available. It has all the tools one needs to do > everything you described and it does much more. By developing RTP > tools to work with it, you don't need to reinvent the wheel and there > may be other uses for tools you invent other than the ones originally > intended. Your point is very well taken! My point is this: to have vic become the access method for framegrabbing of any sort on a computer, it's gotta sit around all the time. It's not geared for this. It's an X application with lots of bells and whistles. What I'm interested in doing is providing a minimalistic framework for accessing the quickcam camera and providing that data to multiple clients on the same host via unix domain sockets. Then you've got a frameserver that sits around doing nothing unless someone connects, and if so, it starts taking pictures... Does this make sense? Am I totally misunderstanding vic? If it operates in modes I have not used I suppose I could be really off! :-) -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 00:20:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA03770 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaehv.IAEhv.nl (root@iaehv.IAEhv.nl [192.87.208.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA03765 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by iaehv.IAEhv.nl (8.6.12/1.63) id IAA22229; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:22:33 +0100 X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nietzsche.bowtie.nl (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA29777; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:41:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199602212241.XAA29777@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.1 5/23/95 To: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thot word processor In-reply-to: peter's message of 21 Feb 1996 16:30:08 +0000. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:41:13 +0100 From: Marc van Kempen Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) writes: > > >On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: [ stuff deleted ] > BTW: -current's Linux emulator now does QMAGIC just fine, as well as ZMAGIC. > > QMAGIC is ***much*** preferred, as it allows proper shared libraries. > If you use ZMAGIC libraries, you do not share any code between processes > and each copy of the program has a seperate copy in memory. Needless to say, > you run out of memory very quickly with ZMAGIC. > > I use the a.out libraries from the slackware 3.0 distribution. I dont know > if there are newer versions out now. How difficult is it to hack the -current emulator in 2.1-RELEASE? Regards, Marc. ---------------------------------------------------- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: marc@bowtie.nl WWW & Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl ---------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 00:54:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04696 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04689 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 00:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.DIALix.oz.au (peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1]) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12269; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:53:50 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: <199602220853.QAA12269@jhome.DIALix.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: jhome.DIALix.COM: Host peter@localhost.DIALix.oz.au [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Marc van Kempen cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thot word processor In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 23:41:13 +0100." <199602212241.XAA29777@nietzsche.bowtie.nl> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:53:49 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) writes: >> >> >On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Marc van Kempen wrote: > >[ stuff deleted ] > >> BTW: -current's Linux emulator now does QMAGIC just fine, as well as ZMAGIC. >> >> QMAGIC is ***much*** preferred, as it allows proper shared libraries. >> If you use ZMAGIC libraries, you do not share any code between processes >> and each copy of the program has a seperate copy in memory. Needless to say >, >> you run out of memory very quickly with ZMAGIC. >> >> I use the a.out libraries from the slackware 3.0 distribution. I dont know >> if there are newer versions out now. > >How difficult is it to hack the -current emulator in 2.1-RELEASE? > >Regards, >Marc. I'm afraid it's becoming more difficult by the day. The one in -current is taking advantage of the VM system speedups, and there would be some reworking needed to get the fixes retrofitted. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 01:57:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA07505 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:57:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA07493 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA03013; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:55:15 +1100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:55:15 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602220955.UAA03013@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, koshy@india.hp.com Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, >IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to >do? We could : >(a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. >(b) Print out some informative message : stating something like > "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave > it at that. >(c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. >Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of >view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. Option (B) is right because if the user wanted the irq to be auto-detected then they would have specified this in the configuration. >I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address >in some drivers. Is this a convention? The wildcard for irqs is actually 0. This is standard. "irq ?" in the config file translates to id_irq == 0 in the isa device table. Unfortunately, and unspecified "irq" in the config file also translates to id_irq == 0 in the isa device table. The ambiguity isn't much of a problem in practice because there are few device [driver]s that support both auto irqs and not using an irq at all. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 02:32:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA09325 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA09309 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 02:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA04262; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:23:25 +1100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:23:25 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602221023.VAA04262@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: koshy@india.hp.com, seki@sysrap.cs.fujitsu.co.jp Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >A question here: if a card is determined (by reading the hardware) to >reside at port 0x300 and IRQ 5, can we change the kernel isa_dev structure >overwriting the configured values in the structure? >The question is: Is this a safe thing to do in general? It's safe if a successful probe doesn't leave the device active or the device driver with state that depends on the device being attached. The SCSI drivers have always overwritten the configured values (including the non-auto values :-(). The conflict check in isa.c is repeated after successful probes in case anything has changed. If there is a conflict (with a previously attached device) then the device won't be attached, so the driver must not leave anything active. >My thinking was that reconfiguring the hardware shouldn't be part of >the regular driver. For one it violates the principle of least surprise; >for example if a user is running DOS and FreeBSD. We would want the BSD >driver to change settings on the card every time it boots forcing the user >to re-run his DOS config utilities everytime. >Secondly, configuring software configurable cards adds another >magnitude of complexity and board model dependence to the driver. I agree. >Thirdly, FreeBSD's pre-configured idea of interrupts and IO addresses may clash >with some other hardware present on the system. The preconfigured settings should be "auto" if possible, but this would require complications to determine settings that don't conflict with other devices. The complications would usually be a waste of time - except when a new card is added, the current settings shouldn't conflict and the drivers shouldn't change them. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 04:58:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15455 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:58:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA15446 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18756 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:58:33 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11113 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:16 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11113@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:18:20 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA24887 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:18:20 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04952; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:47:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06629 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:17:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06613 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06608 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14743; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:17:36 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:01:24 -0800 Lines: 10 Message-Id: <199602210301.TAA05003@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use >ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm >using with it. No, the Etherlink II/16 is the 16bit version of the 3c503. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 04:59:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15477 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA15472 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18799 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:58:52 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11117 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:17 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11117@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:26:29 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA25906 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:26:29 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05040; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:53:31 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07171 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07156 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07151 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14818; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:27:02 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: ats@freebsd.first.gmd.de (Andreas Schulz) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:16:05 +0100 (MET) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <199602210116.CAA01100@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values given in FreeBSD. Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. ATS ( ats@first.gmd.de or ats@cs.tu-berlin.de ) Andreas Schulz GMD-FIRST 12489 Berlin-Adlershof Rudower Chaussee 5 Gebaeude 13.10 Tel: +49-30-6392-1856/+49-177-2134745 Germany/Europe From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 04:59:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15497 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA15492 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18837 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:59:09 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11123 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:18 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11123@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:27:27 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26072 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:27:27 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05054; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:55:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07742 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07716 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07702 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14935; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:33:10 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: tomppa@fidata.fi (Tomi Vainio) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200 (EET) Lines: 25 Message-Id: <199602210130.DAA05886@zeta.fidata.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Schulz writes: > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > > > ed0: device timeout > > > > Wrong device.. :-) > > > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. > > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. > I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values > given in FreeBSD. > Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot > with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that > also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume > that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. > I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm using with it. Tomppa From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 04:59:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15524 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA15516 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18881 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:59:22 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11132 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:19 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11132@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:29:41 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26252 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:29:41 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05087; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:11 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09115 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA09089 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA09078 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA15071; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:50:09 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu (Mark Tinguely) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Paging questions Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) Lines: 23 Message-Id: <199602210019.SAA26552@plains.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) > Assume a page is swapped to disk, then copied back in core, > and not modified afterwards. Do we keep a reference to the disk > block for the page, so as to save subsequent pageouts ? Do we > have an idea on how frequently this occurs ? I have no data on this. Before the VM code grabbed pages around the faulted page (back in 386bsd, early FreeBSD 1.0.x days) I did count the number of pages that were stored in swap, read and restored. It was VERY RARE that the page was not modified again before being placed back into storage. I checked this because I changed the code so that the VM free the page from swap when read back into memory and this went a long way to fix the swap depletion problem we had then. But I have not counted with the new VM code. if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I was looking in that code, a larger number of adjacent pages are brought back in when a page is faulted and some of those pages may or may not be kept in memory after the transfer. I argued last time this talk came up (within a year) that in swap depletion, *one* (not the only) strategy would be to again remove the pages from swap when that page is faulted back in. but there is performance concerns and hardware is cheap counter arguement was raised and I never went back down that exploritory road. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 04:59:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA15550 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA15540 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 04:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18951 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:59:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11142 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:23 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11142@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:30:38 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26396 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:30:38 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05066; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:56:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08177 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA08161 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08156 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14972; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:39:15 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:59:13 -0800 Lines: 21 Message-Id: <199602210259.SAA04978@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>>desirable. >> >> I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >>sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >>private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. > >The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? Yes, but a bit tight. If the driver were properly written, large packets would be put in mbuf clusters which are allocated out of a private pool and should be as fast as the pool that the driver is maintaining. I haven't looked at the driver source in any detail...I've instead decided to rewrite it at some point in the future, but haven't had the time + enough interest yet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15629 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15617 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA18970 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:59:58 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11146 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:24 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:24 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11146@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:30:43 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26407 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:30:43 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05091; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:39 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08117 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA08102 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA08097 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14967; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:38:16 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) Lines: 22 Message-Id: <199602210017.BAA17712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Nope. 3Com has a confusing naming policy, but the ``Etherlink II'' is a 3c503 actually, even though it's one of the later cards with a 16-bit bus in this case. The ``Etherlink III'' is the 3c509. Perhaps the wrong network interface (AUI/BNC)? You can select the AUI interface with the ``-link2'' option to ifconfig if i'm not mistaken. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15651 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15645 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19001 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:05 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11151 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:25 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11151@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:31:09 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26452 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:31:09 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05079; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:57:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10770 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA10754 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10749 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id XAA15394; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:28:31 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:58:33 +0900 Lines: 21 Message-Id: <199602210058.JAA17442@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of >this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available >to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid >private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for >mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference >counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. Agreed. Sounds quite reasonable. > We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >failures). I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is desirable. -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15726 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15721 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19119 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11197 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:33 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11197@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 11:21:10 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA01447 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:08:07 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04977; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:49:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06313 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06246 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06241 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14694; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:30 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Sendmail Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:49:36 -0800 (PST) Lines: 19 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Lisa Lopshire wrote: > cannot chdir((null)): Bad address > syserr: ExitStat = 71 > > How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. > Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 get ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/sendmail/sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz tar xfvz sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz cd sendmail-8.7.3 cd src makesendmail makesendmail install == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15702 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15692 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19052 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:23 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11169 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:27 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11169@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:42:37 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA27972 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:42:37 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04874; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:44:47 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07433 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07376 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:29:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07371 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:29:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14823; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:29:43 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:46:44 +0900 Lines: 12 Message-Id: <199602210246.LAA18404@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >>because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >>receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >>desirable. > > I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be >sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the >private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. The old 3c509 has 2k bytes RX FIFO. Is this large enough? -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15684 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15679 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19038 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:17 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11163 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:26 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11163@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:41:13 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA27783 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:41:13 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04886; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06864 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06849 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:20:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06843 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14774; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:20:05 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: nao@sbl.cl.nec.co.jp (Naoki Hamada) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:09:34 +0900 Lines: 9 Message-Id: <199602210109.KAA17635@sirius.sbl.cl.nec.co.jp> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> ed0: device timeout >Wrong device.. :-) >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. I used Etherlink II/16 (aka 3Com 503) several months ago. ed0 is the RIGHT device! Anyway, I have no idea why it timeouts... -nao From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:00:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15667 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15662 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19021 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:10 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11159 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:26 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11159@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:31:33 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26487 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:31:33 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05100; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:59:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06928 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06913 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06908 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14779; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:21:06 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 19:53:12 MST Lines: 23 Message-Id: <199602210253.TAA14765@bottles.cs.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard uttered: > > Hello, > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Not unless you really want to have problems. =) The ep driver is for the 3com EtherLink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 (3c503) (which is what he's asking about; note the subject line) is supported by the ed driver. steve -- // stephen clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu // university of utah From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:01:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15783 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15741 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19137 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:00:55 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11201 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:34 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11201@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 11:21:17 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA01460 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:08:12 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05023; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:51:54 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07503 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07488 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07483 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14915; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:31:36 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@Root.COM (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:09:45 -0800 Lines: 19 Message-Id: <199602210209.SAA04797@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it >>so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The >>problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this >>messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc >>failures). > >I found the ep driver always keeps some mbuf's in its pool. Is this >because mbuf allocation is too expensive for boards which equip small >receive buffer? If this is the case, some improvement (not mine :-) is >desirable. I think that's what the author thought, but the FIFO on the 3c509 should be sufficiently large enough to not need the extra 1% of speed that having the private pool gets you. Our malloc implementation is quite efficient, actually. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:01:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15829 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15800 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19176 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:01:13 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11210 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:36 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11210@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 11:24:13 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04098 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 11:24:13 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA05375; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:48:25 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12760 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12744 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12738 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:13:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id AAA15838; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:13:21 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Looking for FBSD 2.1 smail users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you are running FreeBSD 2.1.0 and the ported smail (3.1.29), please drop me a line. I have come across something that looks like a bug but it could also be some really obscure configuration item I missed. Try this: send mail to yourself, but change one of the letters to a different case, ie Uhclem instead of uhclem. Does it get delivered succesfully? Not here. Another system running 2.1.0 but running a non-provided port (3.1.27) folds case without incident. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net |"Same thing we do every night: | Try to annoy Microsoft!" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:01:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15929 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA15895 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19238 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:01:38 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11226 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:39 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11226@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:42:15 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA14598 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:42:15 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05848; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:08:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20545 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA20530 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA20525 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id CAA17073; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:18:08 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: koshy@india.hp.com (A JOSEPH KOSHY) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:53 +0530 Lines: 25 Message-Id: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to do? We could : (a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. (b) Print out some informative message : stating something like "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave it at that. (c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address in some drivers. Is this a convention? Can anyone point me to further reading? Have I missed something? Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:02:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16024 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16011 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:02:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19321 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:02:09 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11277 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:49 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11277@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:45:12 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15045 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:12 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22761 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:02 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16378 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21995 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:59 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13061 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:33 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21303 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:51 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10861 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:25:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA20655 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:25 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA09324 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:11:15 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03650; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:40:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19834 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19818 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19813 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA05760; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:07 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: jkh@time.cdrom.com ("Jordan K. Hubbard") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > ed0: device timeout Wrong device.. :-) You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:03:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16073 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16064 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19412 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:02:48 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11290; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:52 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11290@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:45:26 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15085 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:26 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211145.AB15085@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15085 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:26 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22824 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:06 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16402 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:43 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22064 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:03 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13077 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:39 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21118 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:42 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09938 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20200 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:39 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07151 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:19 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19220 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:39 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05159 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:09 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18558 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:15 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26131 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:59:26 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA01739; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:28:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16869 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA16844 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rogue.Northwest.com (root@rogue.northwest.com [204.119.42.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16442 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by Rogue.Northwest.com (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tp1x9-0004IoC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST From: timb49@Northwest.com (Tim Bach) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:03:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16105 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16090 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19488 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:03:11 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11295 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:53 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11295@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:45:32 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15106 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22908 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:09 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16421 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:47 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22086 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:05 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13082 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:41 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21315 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:52 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10871 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA20656 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:25 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA09500 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:13:59 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03682; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:43:24 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20758 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20741 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20734 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06714; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:51 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: DGA Extension Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:24 +0100 (MET) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <199602202144.WAA17010@uriah.heep.sax.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Paul Cobb wrote: > I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the > dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of > any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know > where I could get it? Better ask the XFree86 folks. It's still in beta test. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:03:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16165 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16140 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19552 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:03:30 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11301 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:54 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:54 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11301@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:45:36 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15117 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:36 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22844 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:07 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16408 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:44 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22119 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:06 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13086 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:42 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21191 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:51 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA10112 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:34 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03737; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:48:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20715 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20700 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20695 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06705; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:25 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: freebsd@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl ("Mark Huizer") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:59:04 +0100 (MET) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <199602202159.WAA00598@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > recieve mail.. Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only access mail. Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take some serious action in stead of trying to read mail > > -Guido > Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:04:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16263 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16211 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19594 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:03:46 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11311; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:56 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11311@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:45:40 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15129 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:40 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:40 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211145.AB15129@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15129 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:40 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22865 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:07 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16412 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:45 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22151 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:08 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13099 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:50 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21132 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:44 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09949 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:53 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20226 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:41 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07157 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19559 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:54 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05926 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:30 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18899 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:29 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04630 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:10:09 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03074; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:39:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26490 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26471 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26464 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA13288; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:43:32 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: timb49@Northwest.com (Tim Bach) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Untitled Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Lines: 3 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:04:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16370 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16339 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19660 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:04:07 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11318; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:58 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11318@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:45:51 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15163 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:51 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:51 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211145.AB15163@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15163 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:51 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22926 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:10 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16425 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:49 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22174 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:10 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13110 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:53 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21173 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:46 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09984 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:58 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20236 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:42 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07165 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:22 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19258 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:41 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05174 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:12 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18310 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:08:58 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA25404 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:24:53 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA29153; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00596 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00564 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00553 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id UAA07476; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:44 +0100 From: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199602201925.UAA07476@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: pop3 and blocked users To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:43 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to recieve mail.. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:04:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16421 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16401 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19706 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:04:23 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11322 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:58 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:46:58 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221246.NAA11322@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:45:55 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15171 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:45:55 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23257 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA17986 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:26:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22611 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:19:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16027 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:13:28 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22283 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:05:46 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA14111 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:56:14 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21534 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:49:15 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA12344 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:39:31 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA04118; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02150 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02121 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02111 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tp4Vq-0007zaC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:42 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0tp4Rr-000CL8C; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Tue Feb 20 1996, 20:38:31 CST Subject: Looking for FBSD 2.1 smail users Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you are running FreeBSD 2.1.0 and the ported smail (3.1.29), please drop me a line. I have come across something that looks like a bug but it could also be some really obscure configuration item I missed. Try this: send mail to yourself, but change one of the letters to a different case, ie Uhclem instead of uhclem. Does it get delivered succesfully? Not here. Another system running 2.1.0 but running a non-provided port (3.1.27) folds case without incident. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net |"Same thing we do every night: | Try to annoy Microsoft!" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:05:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16484 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16467 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19756 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:04:45 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11367; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:07 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11367@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:46:16 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15216 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211146.AB15216@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15216 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23055 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:17 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16451 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:56 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22190 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:15 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13162 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21182 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:48 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10053 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20245 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:45 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07193 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:29 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19560 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:55 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05933 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18898 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:29 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04504 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:13 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03066; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:38:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24857 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24841 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24836 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA11546; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:08:27 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@root.com (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Lines: 18 Message-Id: <199602202334.PAA04317@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Hello, >> >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> >> ed0: device timeout > >Wrong device.. :-) > >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. You're confusing the Etherlink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 is supposed to work with the 'ed' driver. It looks like his problem is that he has another card in his system configured at the same irq as his ethernet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:05:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16518 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16470 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19746 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:04:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11342; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:02 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11342@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:46:02 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15188 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:02 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211146.AB15188@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15188 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:02 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22973 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:12 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16438 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22184 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:13 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13133 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21179 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:47 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10036 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20242 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:43 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07179 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:26 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19283 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:43 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05195 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:22 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18548 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:11 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA18237 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:29:18 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA00910; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:20:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10873 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10857 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10848 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id PAA26263; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:24:08 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: coredump@nervosa.com (invalid opcode) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Alternate routes Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Root wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to set secondary or fall-back routes? > > Replies please to root@flevel.co.uk > Research the 'metric' keyword with route. == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:05:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16615 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16603 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19930 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:05:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11392 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:14 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11392@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:46:05 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA15194 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:05 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05838; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:06:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13470 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13443 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13437 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA086327338; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:22:27 -0800 Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA255777134; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:54 +0530 Message-Id: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:53 +0530 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to do? We could : (a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. (b) Print out some informative message : stating something like "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave it at that. (c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address in some drivers. Is this a convention? Can anyone point me to further reading? Have I missed something? Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:06:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16722 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16712 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:06:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20155 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:06:38 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11428; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:23 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11428@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:47:00 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15314 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:00 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211147.AB15314@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15314 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:00 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23067 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16501 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22199 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:18 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13203 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:19 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21188 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10087 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:25 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20252 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:47 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07219 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:38 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19563 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:56 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05985 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:43 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18900 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:30 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04693 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:10:35 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03090; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:40:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23748 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23733 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23728 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA09825; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:03 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: experience with the pccard flop install Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:41 +0100 (MET) Lines: 17 Message-Id: <199602202039.VAA01664@yedi.iaf.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there (and specifically Tatsumi-san) I just tried the pccard install flop on my Digital Hinote. I connected it to a Adaptec APA-1460 and used an old DEC RRD40 cdrom drive with the 2.1R cdrom. And it worked wonderfully, the install ran without problems. The only catch is the install procedure that installs the kernel taken from the CDROM. And of course that one does not know about PCMCIA devices ;-) In short: good show! Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16750 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16742 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:06:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20188 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:06:52 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11458; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:32 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11458@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:47:11 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15360 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:11 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211147.AB15360@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15360 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:11 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23070 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:22 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16529 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:17 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22204 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:20 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13233 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21195 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10146 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:54 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20256 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:49 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07239 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19427 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:46 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA05866 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:08 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03353; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:55:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18481 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18465 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18419 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA24577; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA07037; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id BAA17712; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602210017.BAA17712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: ajones@ctron.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 20, 96 01:42:29 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Nope. 3Com has a confusing naming policy, but the ``Etherlink II'' is a 3c503 actually, even though it's one of the later cards with a 16-bit bus in this case. The ``Etherlink III'' is the 3c509. Perhaps the wrong network interface (AUI/BNC)? You can select the AUI interface with the ``-link2'' option to ifconfig if i'm not mistaken. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16784 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16772 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20210 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:07:01 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11464 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:33 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11464@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:47:16 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15376 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23072 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:23 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16536 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22207 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13259 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21197 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10165 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:00 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20259 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:50 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07255 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:55 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19567 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA06085 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:27:25 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03365; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:56:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18021 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18005 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17999 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA26552; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199602210019.SAA26552@plains.nodak.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: Paging questions Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > 1) > Assume a page is swapped to disk, then copied back in core, > and not modified afterwards. Do we keep a reference to the disk > block for the page, so as to save subsequent pageouts ? Do we > have an idea on how frequently this occurs ? I have no data on this. Before the VM code grabbed pages around the faulted page (back in 386bsd, early FreeBSD 1.0.x days) I did count the number of pages that were stored in swap, read and restored. It was VERY RARE that the page was not modified again before being placed back into storage. I checked this because I changed the code so that the VM free the page from swap when read back into memory and this went a long way to fix the swap depletion problem we had then. But I have not counted with the new VM code. if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I was looking in that code, a larger number of adjacent pages are brought back in when a page is faulted and some of those pages may or may not be kept in memory after the transfer. I argued last time this talk came up (within a year) that in swap depletion, *one* (not the only) strategy would be to again remove the pages from swap when that page is faulted back in. but there is performance concerns and hardware is cheap counter arguement was raised and I never went back down that exploritory road. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16822 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16802 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20234 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:07:10 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11481; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:36 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:36 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11481@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:47:38 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15440 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:38 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211147.AB15440@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15440 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:38 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23074 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:24 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16553 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:25 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22209 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13317 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21199 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:55 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10181 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:04 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20261 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07267 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:58 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19565 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA06027 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:57 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18903 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:31 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04926 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:13:22 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03152; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:42:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25735 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25720 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25675 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12510; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:23:47 -0700 To: hackers@freebsd.org Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@root.com (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 Lines: 23 Message-Id: <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I found mbuf's are not buffered though mclusters are. So here is my >> patch for /sys/sys/mbuf.h. This seems to provide me slightly good >> network performance. > >Did one of the core team members accept these patches >officially ?! Will they go into -current ? No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc failures). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16856 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16849 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20252 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:07:18 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11493 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:40 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11493@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From spase!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:47:48 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15466 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:48 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23076 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16573 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:29 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22213 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:23 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13329 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:56 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21336 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:53 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA11073 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:27:01 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03824; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:56:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22479 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22461 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22456 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA08508; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:14 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Sendmail Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Lines: 69 Message-Id: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16893 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16875 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20271 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:07:25 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11505; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:41 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11505@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:47:55 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15490 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:55 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211147.AB15490@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15490 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:47:55 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23081 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:27 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16590 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:34 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22217 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13352 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:03 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21205 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:57 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10223 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20267 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:53 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07311 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:47:08 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19566 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA06031 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18905 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:31 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA05029 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:45 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03181; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:44:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25827 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25808 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25803 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12651; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:25:22 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: ranko_fbsd@spidernet.net (Zivojnovic Ranko) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Hanging PPP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:09:23 -0200 Lines: 61 Message-Id: <199602202207.BAA19672@mail0.spidernet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi! -THIS IS LONG ONE! - BUT ONLY REFERENCES FROM THE LOG FILE WITH COMMENTS Here is more info about what is happening when PPP -direct hangs: Machine into which it has been dialled: 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Using interface: tun0 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Listening at 3000. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PPP Started. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Packet mode enabled 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: SendConfigReq 02-18 22:51:04 [218] ACFCOMP 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PROTOCOMP ... LCP negotiations, and some traffic 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Already set route addr dst=40819ac2, gateway=8e809ac2 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping Now at this point the other PC has disconnected the line (only administratively): 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Idle timer expired. 02-18 22:56:29 [144] OsLinkdown: 194.154.128.141 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:56:30 [144] Phase: Dead but the line (modem) is not being disconnected! DTR is on, DCD is on...everything is on! Then I have done one murder: 02-18 22:56:45 [218] SIGTERM 02-18 22:56:45 [218] LCP: state change Stopping --> Closing 02-18 22:56:46 [218] PPP Terminated. BUT! If it is the other way around (meaning server disconnects) then everything works fine. So, now I'm using two different configurations: one for answering, and one for dialing. Do you have any clue on the subject what it may be? Modems were US Robotics Couriers 28800, one PC is 486DX4 100MHz 8MB, and the other one is 486DX2 66MHz 8Mb as well. But that should not have nothing to with it. I've tried with changing modem configurations but nothing helps. FreeBSD is 2.1.0-R. Regards, Ranko ______________________________________________________________ SpiderNet Services Ltd. 1 Iasonos Street Nicosia Cyprus ______________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:07:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16929 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16911 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:07:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20289 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:07:31 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11520; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:44 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221247.NAA11520@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:48:08 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15534 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:08 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211148.AB15534@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15534 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:48:08 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23083 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:28 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16601 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:37 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22219 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13370 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21207 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:58 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10233 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:24 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20269 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07319 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:47:10 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19297 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:48 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05265 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:54 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18550 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:12 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA19944 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:01:27 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA00995; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:32:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12114 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12098 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12092 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.transport.com (lisa.transport.com [204.119.17.85]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA20643 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: lisa@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Subject: Sendmail Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:09:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17159 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17154 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20642 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:09:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11725 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:26 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11725@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:52:39 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA16081 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:52:39 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05919; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:17:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15733 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA15716 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15336 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA08641 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602210759.IAA08641@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:39 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. 101 root 2 0 500K 68K accept 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sendmail 153 charnier 2 0 460K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 98 root 2 0 196K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and rstatd: Can't get namelist If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. Note that strip -d seems to work ok. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:10:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17218 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17206 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20664 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:00 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11781 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:37 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11781@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:52 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22761 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:02 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16378 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21995 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:59 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13061 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:33 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21303 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:51 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10861 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:25:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA20655 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:25 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA09324 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:11:15 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03650; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:40:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19834 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19818 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19813 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA05760; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:07 -0700 To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!time.cdrom.com!jkh ("Jordan K. Hubbard") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:42:29 -0800 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > ed0: device timeout Wrong device.. :-) You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:10:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17259 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17254 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20706 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:18 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11798 for mercurius!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:41 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11798@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:53 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22824 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:06 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16402 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:43 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22064 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:03 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13077 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:39 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21118 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:42 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09938 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20200 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:39 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07151 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:19 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19220 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:39 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05159 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:09 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18558 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:15 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA26131 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:59:26 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA01739; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 04:28:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA16869 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA16844 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:01:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Rogue.Northwest.com (root@rogue.northwest.com [204.119.42.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16442 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:57:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by Rogue.Northwest.com (Linux Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0tp1x9-0004IoC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST From: mercurius!Northwest.com!timb49 (Tim Bach) To: mercurius!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:10:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17287 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17276 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20733 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:33 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11802 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:42 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11802@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:54 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22908 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:09 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16421 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:47 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22086 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:05 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13082 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:41 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21315 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:52 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10871 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA20656 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:25 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA09500 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:13:59 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03682; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:43:24 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20758 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20741 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20734 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:59:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06714; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:51 -0700 To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!uriah.heep.sax.de!j (J Wunsch) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: DGA Extension Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:44:24 +0100 (MET) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <199602202144.WAA17010@uriah.heep.sax.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk As Paul Cobb wrote: > I wanted to play with the DGA extension to XFree86. I got the > dga demo working under 3.1.2Beta, however I cannot get a hold of > any examples or the code for the dga example. Does anyone know > where I could get it? Better ask the XFree86 folks. It's still in beta test. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:10:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17313 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17308 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20744 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:40 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11806 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:43 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:43 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11806@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:54 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22844 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:07 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16408 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:44 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22119 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:06 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13086 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:42 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21191 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:51 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA10112 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:34 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03737; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:48:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20715 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA20700 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA20695 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id RAA06705; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:58:25 -0700 To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl!freebsd ("Mark Huizer") Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:59:04 +0100 (MET) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <199602202159.WAA00598@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > recieve mail.. Well... it's quite simple to change that. I just did it for my computing society. Simply check it in pop_pass.c and give a POP_FAILURE. But I feel a bit funny about it. When I had a machine with pop-accounts, I could imagine WANTING to give ppl a non-existant shell, so they can only access mail. Another thing I am going to do tomorrow or something is changing it so it won't give an error when the blocked user is connecting. It would be even better if it would standard generate a mailbox containing of only 1 message telling that the *()^^&* user is blocked and should take some serious action in stead of trying to read mail > > -Guido > Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:11:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17362 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17334 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20778 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:53 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11814 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:44 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:44 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11814@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:55 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22865 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:07 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16412 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:45 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22151 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:08 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13099 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:50 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21132 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:44 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09949 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:53 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20226 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:41 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07157 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19559 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:54 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05926 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:30 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18899 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:29 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04630 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:10:09 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03074; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:39:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26490 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA26471 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA26464 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:43:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA13288; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:43:32 -0700 To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!Northwest.com!timb49 (Tim Bach) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Untitled Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 15:58 PST Lines: 3 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk 503-499-6749 please call or email whatever is more convient. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:11:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17399 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17381 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20809 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:08 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11821 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:46 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11821@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:55 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22926 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:10 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16425 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:49 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22174 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:10 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13110 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:53 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21173 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:46 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA09984 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:17:58 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20236 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:42 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07165 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:22 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19258 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:41 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05174 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:12 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18310 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:08:58 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA25404 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:24:53 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA29153; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:11:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00596 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:26:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00564 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from gvr.win.tue.nl (root@gvr.win.tue.nl [131.155.210.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00553 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:25:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.win.tue.nl (8.6.10/1.53) id UAA07476; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:44 +0100 From: mercurius!gvr.win.tue.nl!guido (Guido van Rooij) Message-Id: <199602201925.UAA07476@gvr.win.tue.nl> Subject: pop3 and blocked users To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!freebsd-hackers Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:25:43 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to recieve mail.. -Guido From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:11:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17440 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17423 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20854 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:28 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11828 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:46 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:46 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11828@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:55 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23257 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:36:38 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA17986 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:26:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22611 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:19:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16027 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:13:28 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22283 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:05:46 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA14111 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:56:14 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21534 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:49:15 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA12344 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:39:31 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA04118; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02150 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02121 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02111 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0tp4Vq-0007zaC; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:42 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0tp4Rr-000CL8C; Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 96 20:38 WET To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers From: mercurius!nemesis.lonestar.org!uhclem (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Tue Feb 20 1996, 20:38:31 CST Subject: Looking for FBSD 2.1 smail users Cc: mercurius!nemesis.lonestar.org!uhclem Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk If you are running FreeBSD 2.1.0 and the ported smail (3.1.29), please drop me a line. I have come across something that looks like a bug but it could also be some really obscure configuration item I missed. Try this: send mail to yourself, but change one of the letters to a different case, ie Uhclem instead of uhclem. Does it get delivered succesfully? Not here. Another system running 2.1.0 but running a non-provided port (3.1.27) folds case without incident. Frank Durda IV |"What are we going to do tonite?" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net |"Same thing we do every night: | Try to annoy Microsoft!" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Gatesy and the Brain From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:11:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17488 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17470 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20898 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:44 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11844 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:51 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11844@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:56 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22973 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:12 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16438 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22184 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:13 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13133 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:46:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21179 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:47 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10036 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20242 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:43 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07179 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:26 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19283 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:43 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05195 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:22 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18548 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:11 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA18237 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:29:18 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA00910; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:20:28 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10873 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA10857 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA10848 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id PAA26263; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:24:08 -0700 To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!nervosa.com!coredump (invalid opcode) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: Alternate routes Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Root wrote: > > Can anyone tell me if it is possible to set secondary or fall-back routes? > > Replies please to root@flevel.co.uk > Research the 'metric' keyword with route. == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:12:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17575 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17482 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20901 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:46 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11863 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:55 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11863@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:57 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23055 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:17 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16451 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:56 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22190 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:15 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13162 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21182 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:48 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10053 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20245 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:45 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07193 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:29 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19560 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:55 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05933 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18898 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:29 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04504 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:13 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03066; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:38:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24857 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24841 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24836 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA11546; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:08:27 -0700 To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!Root.COM!davidg (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Lines: 18 Message-Id: <199602202334.PAA04317@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk >> Hello, >> >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> >> ed0: device timeout > >Wrong device.. :-) > >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. You're confusing the Etherlink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 is supposed to work with the 'ed' driver. It looks like his problem is that he has another card in his system configured at the same irq as his ethernet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:12:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17650 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17644 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:12:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21037 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:12:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11907 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:02 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11907@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:41:59 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23067 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16501 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22199 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:18 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13203 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:19 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21188 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10087 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:25 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20252 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:47 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07219 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:38 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19563 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:56 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05985 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:43 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18900 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:30 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04693 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:10:35 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03090; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:40:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23748 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23733 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23728 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA09825; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:44:03 -0700 To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!yedi.iaf.nl!wilko (Wilko Bulte) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: experience with the pccard flop install Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:39:41 +0100 (MET) Lines: 17 Message-Id: <199602202039.VAA01664@yedi.iaf.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk Hi there (and specifically Tatsumi-san) I just tried the pccard install flop on my Digital Hinote. I connected it to a Adaptec APA-1460 and used an old DEC RRD40 cdrom drive with the 2.1R cdrom. And it worked wonderfully, the install ran without problems. The only catch is the install procedure that installs the kernel taken from the CDROM. And of course that one does not know about PCMCIA devices ;-) In short: good show! Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17716 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17698 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21123 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:18 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11932 for mercurius!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:07 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11932@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:01 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23070 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:22 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16529 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:17 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22204 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:20 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13233 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21195 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10146 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:54 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20256 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:49 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07239 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19427 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:46 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA05866 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:08 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03353; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:55:48 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18481 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18465 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18419 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:24:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA24577; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id BAA07037; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:22:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id BAA17712; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602210017.BAA17712@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts To: mercurius!freebsd.org!freebsd-hackers (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:17:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: mercurius!ctron.com!ajones Reply-To: mercurius!uriah.heep.sax.de!joerg_wunsch (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <1105.824852549@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 20, 96 01:42:29 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > ed0: device timeout > > Wrong device.. :-) > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. Nope. 3Com has a confusing naming policy, but the ``Etherlink II'' is a 3c503 actually, even though it's one of the later cards with a 16-bit bus in this case. The ``Etherlink III'' is the 3c509. Perhaps the wrong network interface (AUI/BNC)? You can select the AUI interface with the ``-link2'' option to ifconfig if i'm not mistaken. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17737 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17717 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21140 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:25 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11940 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:08 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:08 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11940@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:01 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23072 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:23 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16536 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22207 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13259 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:46 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21197 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10165 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:00 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20259 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:50 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07255 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:55 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19567 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA06085 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:27:25 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03365; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:56:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA18021 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA18005 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17999 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 16:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id SAA26552; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:19:03 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199602210019.SAA26552@plains.nodak.edu> To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers, mercurius!labinfo.iet.unipi.it!luigi Subject: Re: Paging questions Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk > 1) > Assume a page is swapped to disk, then copied back in core, > and not modified afterwards. Do we keep a reference to the disk > block for the page, so as to save subsequent pageouts ? Do we > have an idea on how frequently this occurs ? I have no data on this. Before the VM code grabbed pages around the faulted page (back in 386bsd, early FreeBSD 1.0.x days) I did count the number of pages that were stored in swap, read and restored. It was VERY RARE that the page was not modified again before being placed back into storage. I checked this because I changed the code so that the VM free the page from swap when read back into memory and this went a long way to fix the swap depletion problem we had then. But I have not counted with the new VM code. if I remember correctly, it has been a long time since I was looking in that code, a larger number of adjacent pages are brought back in when a page is faulted and some of those pages may or may not be kept in memory after the transfer. I argued last time this talk came up (within a year) that in swap depletion, *one* (not the only) strategy would be to again remove the pages from swap when that page is faulted back in. but there is performance concerns and hardware is cheap counter arguement was raised and I never went back down that exploritory road. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17766 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17747 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21163 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:32 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11955 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:11 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:11 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11955@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:02 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23074 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:24 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16553 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:25 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22209 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:21 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13317 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:52 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21199 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:55 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10181 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:04 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20261 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:51 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07267 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:58 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19565 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA06027 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:57 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18903 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:31 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04926 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:13:22 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03152; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:42:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25735 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25720 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25675 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12510; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:23:47 -0700 To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!Root.COM!davidg (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: mbuf enhancement patch Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:31:50 -0800 Lines: 23 Message-Id: <199602202331.PAA04282@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk >> I found mbuf's are not buffered though mclusters are. So here is my >> patch for /sys/sys/mbuf.h. This seems to provide me slightly good >> network performance. > >Did one of the core team members accept these patches >officially ?! Will they go into -current ? No. The performance improvemment is actually quite small and the effect of this is that any buffers malloced up to the high water mark won't be available to other parts of the system after they are freed. We generally try to avoid private pools of buffers unless it's absolutely necessary - which is case for mbuf clusters, for example, which has a mechanism for maintaining reference counts that requires them to be allocated out of a private pool. We once had changes similar to the ones you've provided, except we had it so that the buffers over a certain threshold were returned back to malloc. The problem with this was that the malloc type was lost in the process and this messed up the malloc-type accounting (which eventually leads to malloc failures). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17787 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17763 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21170 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:34 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11969 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:14 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11969@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:02 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23076 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16573 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:29 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22213 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:23 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13329 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:56 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21336 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:35:53 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA11073 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:27:01 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA03824; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:56:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22479 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA22461 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA22456 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 17:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id SAA08508; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:14 -0700 To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!transport.com!lisa (Lisa Lopshire) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Sendmail Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Lines: 69 Message-Id: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17815 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17777 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21181 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:38 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11976 for mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:15 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:15 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11976@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:03 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23081 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:27 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16590 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:34 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22217 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13352 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:03 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21205 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:57 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10223 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:20 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20267 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:53 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07311 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:47:08 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19566 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:57 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA06031 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:59 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18905 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:31 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA05029 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:14:45 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03181; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:44:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25827 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA25808 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA25803 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA12651; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:25:22 -0700 To: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!hackers Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: mercurius!spidernet.net!ranko_fbsd (Zivojnovic Ranko) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Hanging PPP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 01:09:23 -0200 Lines: 61 Message-Id: <199602202207.BAA19672@mail0.spidernet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: mercurius!FreeBSD.ORG!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk Hi! -THIS IS LONG ONE! - BUT ONLY REFERENCES FROM THE LOG FILE WITH COMMENTS Here is more info about what is happening when PPP -direct hangs: Machine into which it has been dialled: 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Using interface: tun0 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Listening at 3000. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PPP Started. 02-18 22:51:04 [218] Packet mode enabled 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: state change Initial --> Closed 02-18 22:51:04 [218] LCP: SendConfigReq 02-18 22:51:04 [218] ACFCOMP 02-18 22:51:04 [218] PROTOCOMP ... LCP negotiations, and some traffic 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Already set route addr dst=40819ac2, gateway=8e809ac2 02-18 22:55:58 [218] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: SendTerminateAck. 02-18 22:55:58 [218] LCP: state change Opend --> Stopping Now at this point the other PC has disconnected the line (only administratively): 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Idle timer expired. 02-18 22:56:29 [144] OsLinkdown: 194.154.128.141 02-18 22:56:29 [144] Phase: Terminate 02-18 22:56:30 [144] Phase: Dead but the line (modem) is not being disconnected! DTR is on, DCD is on...everything is on! Then I have done one murder: 02-18 22:56:45 [218] SIGTERM 02-18 22:56:45 [218] LCP: state change Stopping --> Closing 02-18 22:56:46 [218] PPP Terminated. BUT! If it is the other way around (meaning server disconnects) then everything works fine. So, now I'm using two different configurations: one for answering, and one for dialing. Do you have any clue on the subject what it may be? Modems were US Robotics Couriers 28800, one PC is 486DX4 100MHz 8MB, and the other one is 486DX2 66MHz 8Mb as well. But that should not have nothing to with it. I've tried with changing modem configurations but nothing helps. FreeBSD is 2.1.0-R. Regards, Ranko ______________________________________________________________ SpiderNet Services Ltd. 1 Iasonos Street Nicosia Cyprus ______________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:13:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17837 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17809 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA21185 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11989 for mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:49:18 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221249.NAA11989@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 09:42:04 1996 remote from spase Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23083 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:28 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16601 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:17:37 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22219 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13370 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:48:07 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21207 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:58 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10233 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:19:24 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20269 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:54 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07319 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:47:10 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19297 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:29:48 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05265 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:16:54 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18550 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:12 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA19944 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:01:27 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA00995; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 02:32:18 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12114 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12098 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12092 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.transport.com (lisa.transport.com [204.119.17.85]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA20643 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:55:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: lisa@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mercurius!freebsd.org!hackers From: mercurius!transport.com!lisa (Lisa Lopshire) Subject: Sendmail Sender: mercurius!freebsd.org!owner-hackers Precedence: bulk Any idea why I am getting this message? FreeBSD 4.4 {Installed exactly like the disk says} billybob: {22} /usr/sbin/sendmail -d Version 8.6.12 getauthinfo: lisa@localhost setoption =SevenBitInput=False setoption =EightBitMode=pass8 setoption =AliasWait=10 setoption =AliasFile=/etc/aliases setoption =MinFreeBlocks=100 setoption =BlankSub=. setoption =HoldExpensive=False setoption =DeliveryMode=background setoption =AutoRebuildAliases=TRUE setoption =TempFileMode=0600 setoption =HelpFile=/usr/share/misc/sendmail.hf setoption =SendMimeErrors=True setoption =ForwardPath=^Az/.forward.^Aw:^Az/.forward setoption =ConnectionCacheSize=2 setoption =ConnectionCacheTimeout=5m setoption =UseErrorsTo=False setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=PostmasterI setoption =LogLevel=9 setoption =CheckAliases=False setoption =OldStyleHeaders=True setoption =PrivacyOptions=authwarnings setoption =PostMasterCopy=Postmaster setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue setoption =Timeout.queuereturn=2d setoption =Timeout.queuewarn=1d setoption =SuperSafe=True setoption =StatusFile=/var/log/sendmail.st setoption =DefaultUser=1:1 setoption =UserDatabaseSpec=/etc/userdb.db setoption =SmtpGreetingMessage=j Sendmail v/Z; b setoption =UnixFromLine=From g d setoption =OperatorChars=.:%@!^/[]+ SYSTEM IDENTITY (after readcf): (short domain name) $w = webnw (canonical domain name) $j = webnw.com (subdomain name) $m = com (node name) $k = billybob.webnw.com cannot chdir((null)): Bad address syserr: ExitStat = 71 billybob: {23} How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. Tried mounting the cdrom and entering /usr/sbin/pkg_manage but it just gives me a bunch of packages. {Bear with me I didn't do the initial install} Is there a place to edit and reinstall the sendmail stuff exactly intact? Thanks Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 05:52:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA19009 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA18973 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA26641 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:51:58 +0100 Received: from deimos.spase.nl (deimos [192.9.200.239]) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA15448 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:47:36 +0100 From: Kees Jan Koster Received: (dutchman@localhost) by deimos.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id OAA00338 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:45:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221345.OAA00338@deimos.spase.nl> Subject: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers Mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:45:03 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hoi Hackers, Recently I replaced my the Linux partition on the box I use at SPaSE with a FreeBSD partition. Since everybody is always wining about Linux NFS performance I decided to try it out. I dragged a 20Mb file across the network via NFS, to and from a hp9000 NFS server. For good measure I threw in a sun, just to see the difference. Note that this test is in no way conclusive. It was during a normal working day, with about 20 other machines clobbering the net. Don't pin anyone down on the result. copying very_big_file (20.175.259 bytes) to and from NFS server spase5 (hp9000) machine -> server server -> machine deimos (i486DX2-66, linux): 654 s 30.8 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s ariel (pentium 100, linux): 646 s 31.2 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD): 107 s 188.6 kb/s 32 s 630.5 kb/s neptunus (sparc, SunOS): 120 s 168.1 kb/s 20 s 1008.8 kb/s Hhmmm. Why can't FreeBSD match the read performence of the sun? ;) Anyway, I compiled the project I'm working on both on ariel (pentium 100, Linux) and phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD) and I noticed the same thing. FreeBSD outperforms the linux box tree to one. Under linux compiling the source takes about three minutes, both on deimos (i486DX2-66) and ariel (pentium 100). No use of bying a better processor there :) Another thing: I've noticed is that system time overhead on linux for that particular compile was about 20 seconds. The same compile on FreeBSD gives me 6 seconds to wait. I guess that is also a side-effect of the great NFS bottleneck. I'm lucky to have a collection of weird machines here (hp, sun, pc). I'll run some more benchmarks when I have more time. I'm trying to convince our sysop to trash linux in favor of FreeBSD. If anyone has relevant documents or test-results I am very much interested. Groetjes, Kees Jan ======================================================================v== Kees Jan Koster e-mail: dutchman@spase.nl Van Somerenstraat 50 tel: NL-24-3234708 6521 BS Nijmegen the Netherlands ========================================================================= Who is this general Failure and why is he reading my disk? (anonymous) ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 06:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA20168 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA20163 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:11:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12405; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:11:23 -0800 To: postmaster@spase.nl cc: hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: dutchman@spase.nl bounces Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:11:23 -0800 Message-ID: <12403.824998283@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've removed this user from all our mailing lists. I would generally grant more time for them to fix this problme, but it's become somewhat acute. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 06:29:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA21182 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:29:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mstr.hgc.edu (mstr.hgc.edu [129.5.16.228]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA21170 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: noni4737@mstr.hgc.edu Received: from sc1.hgc.edu ([129.5.144.1]) by mstr.hgc.edu (5.67a/IDA-1.5/HGC-1.10) id AA02963; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:29:06 -0500 Received: by sc1.hgc.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-HGC-02) id JAA02624; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:29:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:29:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199602221429.JAA02624@sc1.hgc.edu> Content-Type: text Apparently-To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For what it's worth: I believe there is a compatability problem with the MCD PCI chipset. I have the Walnut Creek FreeBSD 2.1 CDROM and have installed the OS on a NEC PowerMate VP75. The machine contains an integrated dual channel PCI harrd disk controller. Primary Master is a 1.0G drive, Primary Slave is a 240M drive, and Secondary Master is a CDROM. Initial installation was done from a DOS-FAT partition. Subsequent CDROM access from FreeBSD results in a system hang which only a power reset will fix. The same problem occurred with OS/2 Warp and Windows NT 3.5. IBM's fix to the problem was the addition of two drivers (BASEDEV=CMD640X.ADD and BASEDEV=CMDATAPI.FLT) to overcome data read conflicts. These drivers disable the read-ahead mode for the RZ1000 and CMD640x PCI IDE chips. (Refer to Warp FixPak XR_W016.) This problem was also resolved in Windows NT 3.51. Incidentally, I could not install any packages from the FAT partition. It seems there is a character case translation problem in locating the files. In any event, A Great BIG Thank You to all who have made BSD available to the general public. I consider your efforts to be deemed as classical as Knuth's programming volumes. Walter Noniewicz noni4737@mstr.hgc.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 06:42:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA22087 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA22067 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA03294 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:41:34 +0100 Received: from io (io [192.9.200.222]) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id PAA17455; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:37:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221437.PAA17455@mercurius.spase.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Hans Dijkema" Organization: SPaSE NL To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:34:45 GMT +1 Subject: Re: dutchman@spase.nl bounces Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Where does it bounce? > I've removed this user from all our mailing lists. I would generally > grant more time for them to fix this problme, but it's become somewhat > acute. > > Jordan > > Hans Dijkema CAD and System Manager SPaSE BV Netherlands. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 06:48:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA22533 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:48:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA22528 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA12959; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:48:17 -0800 To: "Hans Dijkema" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dutchman@spase.nl bounces In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:34:45 GMT." <199602221437.PAA17455@mercurius.spase.nl> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:48:17 -0800 Message-ID: <12957.825000497@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've sent you a number of the bounces.. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's your site directly (though it *did* originate the bounces) or if it's queued stuff you've sent on to EUNET and is now bombarding us. Jordan > Where does it bounce? > > > I've removed this user from all our mailing lists. I would generally > > grant more time for them to fix this problme, but it's become somewhat > > acute. > > > > Jordan > > > > > Hans Dijkema > CAD and System Manager > SPaSE BV > Netherlands. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:09:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23700 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23695 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09787 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:09:38 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:09 CST Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:09 CST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:09:36 -0600 (CST) From: rcm X-Sender: rcm@Mercury.mcs.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel Source documentation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hi: Where can I find more information if I want to understand the kernel source code. Is there a guide for FreeBSD like the Linux kernel hackers guide. I did look at the list of books mentioned in the FAQ but none of them seemed to be related to the kernel source. Thank you for your time and any info about this will be very much apppreciated. rcm. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:12:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23927 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23922 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:12:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07349 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:12:15 +0100 Received: from io.spase.nl (io [192.9.200.222]) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA19596; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:15:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221515.QAA19596@mercurius.spase.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Hans Dijkema" Organization: SPaSE NL To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:13:03 GMT +1 Subject: Bouncing Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear Jordan, I Think these mails are all from yesterday, when our sendmail configuration wasn't corrent. Today our mail system should be working fine again. By the way, this mailing list, can it be used as a newsgroup? Do you have anything on configuring newsgroups? Thanks in advance for your answer, Hans Dijkema > >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 10:27:27 1996 remote from sun4nl > Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP > id AA26072 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 10:27:27 +0100 > Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA05054; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:55:07 +0100 > Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07742 > Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:30 -0800 (PST) > Received: (from root@localhost) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA07716 > for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:27 -0800 (PST) > Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) > by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA07702 > for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 21:33:23 -0800 (PST) > Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id WAA14935; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 22:33:10 -0700 > To: hackers@freebsd.org > Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers > From: tomppa@fidata.fi (Tomi Vainio) > Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers > Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 03:30:12 +0200 (EET) > Lines: 25 > Message-Id: <199602210130.DAA05886@zeta.fidata.fi> > Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com > Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org > Precedence: bulk > > Andreas Schulz writes: > > > > > > I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: > > > > > > > > ed0: device timeout > > > > > > Wrong device.. :-) > > > > > > You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. > > > > No, he says Etherlink II/16 not Etherlink III. The ep0 driver > > is for the Etherlink III ( 3COM 509 and 579) cards. The Etherlink II > > is the 3COM 3C503 and the ed0 driver is correct for that. > > I suspect that the card jumpers and settings disagree with the values > > given in FreeBSD. > > Also some other ethernet driver may incorrectly hit that card. Boot > > with a -c flag at the boot prompt and disable all other cards that > > also use the 0x300 address and you don't have in the system. I assume > > that the card is default configured to address 0x300 for the I/O port. > > > I think that Etherlink II/16 is known as 3c507 so you should use > ie-driver with it. I have this card and I can check what driver I'm > using with it. > > Tomppa > > Hans Dijkema CAD and System Manager SPaSE BV Netherlands. Hans Dijkema CAD and System Manager SPaSE BV Netherlands. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:17:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA24216 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24211 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA14441; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:57 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199602221514.KAA14441@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: CDE for FreeBSD? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199602220138.MAA15327@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 22, 96 12:08:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > mikebo@tellabs.com stands accused of saying: > > > > Anyone know of a CDE port to FreeBSD? I understand that RedHat and > > TriTeal are partnering to sell a commercial quality CDE for Linux. > > If you've got a spare $20K for the source license, I'm sure we could come > up with something. > > Failing that, we'll have to wait until someone thinks it's worth the > investment. I'd suspect that if WC were to talk to TriTeal that the > distribution numbers would happily compare with RedHat's. > > > Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. > About a year ago a guy at TriTeal told me there were some Linux hackers who ported CDE to Linux on their own. I wish I could've sent them some FreeBSD CD's. We just have to find the right hackers in the organizations. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:20:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA24478 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:20:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24470 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA28263 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:20:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221520.QAA28263@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? To: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 16:15:42 MET From: Greg Lehey X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Coming up next week is the German UNIX User's Group technical event of the year, the Spring Workshops, this year in Koeln (Cologne for those of you who don't have a German map). If you speak German, look at http://www.guug.de/GUUG/fj96/fj96prog.html for more details. A number of contributions will handle FreeBSD: R. Schreiner will be talking about firewalls base on FreeBSD, Joerg Wunsch will be talking about "FreeBSD - the other Linux?", and I will be holding a 2 day workshop on porting, which will also include FreeBSD (of course). If you're coming to the meeting, we're planning a BoF on Wednesday--let's hear from you if you plan to come so that we can arrange an appropriately dimensioned meeting place. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:22:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA24566 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24556 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA08664 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:22:11 +0100 Received: (from dutchman@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id QAA19783 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:19:45 +0100 From: Kees Jan Koster Message-Id: <199602221519.QAA19783@mercurius.spase.nl> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers Mailing list) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:19:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk unsubscribe From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:28:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA25104 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dtr.com ([204.119.17.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24941 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by dtr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id HAA16230; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:21:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221521.HAA16230@dtr.com> Subject: Re: need help w/rpc stuff To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:21:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602220146.MAA15423@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 22, 96 12:16:17 pm Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Brant Katkansky stands accused of saying: > ... > > I suspect that I need to add one or more additional includes, but I have > > no idea. BTW, this code compiles fine under SunOS. > Your header ordering is broken. SunOS must be shadow-including behind your > back (typical Sun braindamage). Thanks, that helps. I'm also having problems compiling some NFS stuff - it compiles and runs under SunOS (4.x and 5.x), SCO, dynix, and dynix/ptx. Unfortunately, there seems to be some structures in /usr/include/nfs/nfs.h which aren't implemented in FreeBSD. I can't be more specific right now, as the machine in question has been shut down for the rest of the morning for emergency A/C repairs in our machine room. So I guess I have two more questions: * Is userland NFS code from SunOS generally workable under BSD? * If so, are there any references to assist in porting? I might be able to post some code snippets I need help with, but the whole thing is under NDA, so I might not. Unfortunately, I can't get help from the guys that wrote it, since I'm porting to a platform that isn't supported by our engineering dep't. Nevertheless, I'd love to get this working. This is the first FreeBSD machine in our company (out of 100+ unix boxes), and I'd like to demonstrate that it's useful for more than NFS/mail/etc. Plus, it'd give the Linux fanatics something to think about... :) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:35:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA25546 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA25527 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:35:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10279 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:35:02 +0100 Received: from io.spase.nl (io [192.9.200.222]) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA20272; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:33:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221533.QAA20272@mercurius.spase.nl> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Hans Dijkema" Organization: SPaSE NL To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:30:59 GMT +1 Subject: Re: dutchman@spase.nl bounces Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear Jordan, Yes, the problem did originate at our site. I've reconfigured the mailsystem on a LINUX machine and had a lot of "too many hops" messages from sendmail untill yesterday. Yesterday I managed to configure the system like it should be (I really hope so). At least sendmail hasn't given any messages anymore and we're mailing to and receiving from the the world again. > I've sent you a number of the bounces.. To be honest, I'm not sure if > it's your site directly (though it *did* originate the bounces) or if > it's queued stuff you've sent on to EUNET and is now bombarding us. > > Jordan > > > > Where does it bounce? > > > > > I've removed this user from all our mailing lists. I would generally > > > grant more time for them to fix this problme, but it's become somewhat > > > acute. > > > > > > Jordan > > > > > > > > Hans Dijkema > > CAD and System Manager > > SPaSE BV > > Netherlands. > > Hans Dijkema CAD and System Manager SPaSE BV Netherlands. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 07:40:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA26121 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA26105 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA26112; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:38:40 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602221538.QAA26112@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com, mpp@minn.net cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: re: processes wouldn't die Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:38:19 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk me: >> 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps >> 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps >> 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd Mark Hittinger: >I'm seeing this problem also. I believe that the 'ps' processes are hung >trying to read something out of swap space. It feels like a deadlock >condition to me. >Philippe, could you tell us about your hardware configuration and what sort >of software packages you run on that box? Hardware: 486dx50 16MB 2 parallel, 2 serial (1450), 1 serial (1550A) 2 ide disks on VLB 1 scsi disk + 1 tandberg scsi streamer on 1542CF on ISA 1 mitsumi 2x cdrom on mitsumi card on ISA 1 ET4000 on VLB no network Software: FreeBSD-current (kernel with -O, others with -O2 -m486) obtained from cvs Xfree-3.1.2-S compiled from sources (15 days ago) Fvwm pre2 pl 40 xclock xterms emacs xsystats compiled from ports top compiled from ports (before latest changes) Mike Pritchard: >Are you running "pppd" on your machine? I just tracked down a the same >type of hang on my machine, and determined that something in the kernel >mode PPP was trashing the swap list somehow. The kernel is maybe ready to run ppp but I never used it, so pppd is not started. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 08:35:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA29694 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (terra.stack.urc.tue.nl [131.155.140.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29689 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl (uucp@localhost) by terra.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.6.11) with UUCP id RAA01190; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:34:13 +0100 Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA00671; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:12:37 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602221012.LAA00671@xaa.stack.urc.tue.nl> Subject: Re: pop3 and blocked users To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:12:36 +0100 (MET) From: "Mark Huizer" Cc: guido@gvr.win.tue.nl, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602220341.UAA29958@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Feb 21, 96 08:41:19 pm Reply-To: xaa@stack.urc.tue.nl (Mark Huizer) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Shouldn't pop implementation check if users are having a shell not > > listed in /etc/shells? Otherwise, blocked users will stil be able to > > recieve mail.. > > Not if they're blocked by resetting their password to '*' or > somesuch. > That's not always what you want. You want them to be able to login in, in order to read the message you left WHY they were blocked From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 09:03:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01214 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (maelstrom.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.35.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01204 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from yves@localhost) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.6.6) id LAA12140; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:56:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199602221656.LAA12140@maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Yves Lepage Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:56:34 -0500 To: root Subject: Re: Your message of Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:07 +0100 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Reply-To: yves@CC.McGill.CA References: <199602221247.NAA11367@mercurius.spase.nl> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, You seem to be forwarding every piece of mail from the freebsd-hackers mailing list, back to the list. Could you somehow manage to have this stopped please? Regards, Yves Lepage Begin forwarded message: Received: from sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (sirocco.CC.McGill.CA [132.206.27.12]) by maelstrom.cc.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA12135 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by sirocco.CC.McGill.CA (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA18706 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:01:07 -0500 X-SMTP-Posting-Origin: freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16504 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA16484 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA16467 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA19756 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:04:45 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11367; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:07 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:47:07 +0100 From: root To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, spase!owner-freebsd-hackers@relay.NL.net Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org >From MAILER-DAEMON Wed Feb 21 12:46:16 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AB15216 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 From: MAILER-DAEMON@NL.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Unable to deliver mail Message-Id: <9602211146.AB15216@sun4nl.NL.net> To: owner-freebsd-hackers@spase.uucp ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 sendall: too many hops 18 (17 max): from , to (null) ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA15216 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:46:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA23055 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:29:17 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA16451 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:16:56 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id JAA22190 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 09:00:15 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA13162 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id IAA21182 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:29:48 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA10053 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:18:16 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA20245 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:59:45 +0100 Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA07193 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:46:29 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA19560 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:37:55 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA05933 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:26:32 +0100 Received: from sun4nl.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) with UUCP id HAA18898 for spase.nl!dutchman; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:19:29 +0100 Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA04504 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 07:09:13 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA03066; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 06:38:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24857 Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA24841 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from baygull.rtd.com (baygull.rtd.com [198.102.68.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24836 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by baygull.rtd.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.1) id TAA11546; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 19:08:27 -0700 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Path: freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers From: davidg@root.com (David Greenman) Newsgroups: rtd.freebsd.hackers Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink II/16 device timeouts Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 15:34:28 -0800 Lines: 18 Message-Id: <199602202334.PAA04317@Root.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Hello, >> >> I'm getting the following error with my 3Com card: >> >> ed0: device timeout > >Wrong device.. :-) > >You want to configure the ep0 device for this card. You're confusing the Etherlink III (3c509). The Etherlink II/16 is supposed to work with the 'ed' driver. It looks like his problem is that he has another card in his system configured at the same irq as his ethernet. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 09:18:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02184 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02177 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:18:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA05614 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:17:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221717.SAA05614@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: HELP! Need a new ISP urgently To: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:13:18 MET From: Greg Lehey X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have got to the stage with my current ISP where it's impractical to continue. Who can recommend me a new one? Here's what I need: - Must be in Germany (because of the phone costs) - Must supply ISDN connection - Must support 2-way connection establishment - Must be cheap (well, by German standards :-) - Must be reliable (ditto) - Must route to *my* class C network On the other hand, I've given up finding anybody in my neighbourhood, so the provider can be anywhere in Germany. If you supply these services, or know of somebody else who does, please let me know. Thanks in advance Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 09:18:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02214 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dtr.com ([204.119.17.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02155 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:17:00 -0800 (PST) From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by dtr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17199; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:14:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221714.JAA17199@dtr.com> Subject: What's the deal with these messages To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:14:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: brantk@atlas.com Reply-To: brantk@atlas.com Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've been receiving a ton of messages from the FreeBSD mailing lists from root@spase.nl with no subject. Anybody know what's up? >From bmk Thu Feb 22 09:11:56 1996 X-POP3-Rcpt: bmk@brutus Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with ESMTP id IAA17055 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:46:04 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17217 Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA17159 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun4nl.NL.net (sun4nl.NL.net [193.78.240.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA17154 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 05:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from spase by sun4nl.NL.net via EUnet id AA20642 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:09:47 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by mercurius.spase.nl (8.6.11/8.6.11) id NAA11725 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:48:26 +0100 From: root Message-Id: <199602221248.NAA11725@mercurius.spase.nl> To: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From freefall.freebsd.org!owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 21 12:52:39 1996 remote from sun4nl Received: from ra.dkuug.dk by sun4nl.NL.net with SMTP id AA16081 (5.65b/CWI-3.3); Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:52:39 +0100 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05919; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 12:17:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA15733 Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA15716 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15336 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 1996 23:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA08641 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:41 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602210759.IAA08641@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: processes wouldn't die Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 08:59:39 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Since some weeks, I run xsystats+rpc.rstatd to get information. rpc.rstatd receive signal 11 one or two times in a day. I also got the following configuration (reported by top) where I was not able to run the ps program nor to kill ps and rpc.rstatd. 101 root 2 0 500K 68K accept 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sendmail 153 charnier 2 0 460K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 98 root 2 0 196K 0K select 0:00 0.00% 0.00% 11130 root -18 0 484K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11076 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11088 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11100 charnier -18 0 480K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd I decided to create a kernel with -g and to dump a core (break to debugger and panic) when such a story occurs. If I strip the obtained kernel (current Friday morning GMT) using strip -x as said in the handbook I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpsize not in namelist and rstatd: Can't get namelist If I run strip with no parameter instead of strip -x I get: checking for core dump.. savecore _dumpdev not in namelist. Note that strip -d seems to work ok. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 09:31:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03067 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03058 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14713(8)>; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:30:27 PST Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15731; Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:30:18 EST Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27684; Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:30:18 EST Message-Id: <9602221730.AA27684@gnu.mc.xerox.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: core dump names Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:30:17 PST From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I like the behavior of Freebsd to name core dumps with command.core (when did this start?) I made a change in Linux 1.3.66 to implement similar semantics (actually, I'm adding the pid). What do you do when you're on a file system which has name limitation (i.e. 8+3 msdos?) marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom (http://www.lpf.org) Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic Arthur C. Clarke, The Lost Worlds of 2001 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 10:10:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04754 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:10:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04748 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA21281; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:04:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602221804.LAA21281@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration To: koshy@india.hp.com (A JOSEPH KOSHY) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:04:00 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602210718.AA255777134@fakir.india.hp.com> from "A JOSEPH KOSHY" at Feb 21, 96 12:48:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > This is a basic question about how we handle boards whose IRQ, I/O and > memory ranges can be autodetected at boot time. > > Consider a network card : If the kernel has been configured for say, > IRQ 5 but the actual board was detected at IRQ 11, whats the right thing to > do? We could : > > (a) Ignore the board : this can be pretty frustrating to the user. If you can't probe it, you can't *not* ignore the board... > (b) Print out some informative message : stating something like > "board setup for IRQ XX but kernel was configured for YY" and leave > it at that. If you could actually tell what it was configured for... > (c) Take in the new IRQ setting somehow and do the right thing. > > Option (C) seems to me to be the right thing from the users point of > view; I don't know enough of the FreeBSD kernel to tell if it is feasible. There is work on PnP device management. I think this falls into the category of space assignment. It's probably not possible to safely relocate the board -- you might have a non-PnP OS on the machine. > I have seen in some places "-1" being used as a kind of "wildcard" address > in some drivers. Is this a convention? It's a convention to indicate that it is detected by the probe. > Can anyone point me to further reading? Have I missed something? Only "how do you know the board is at IRQ 11 when the probe code has to assume the interrupt for the probe to work?". 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 10:13:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA04961 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04956 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:13:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA21299; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:09:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602221809.LAA21299@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Kernel Source documentation To: rcm@mcs.net (rcm) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:09:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "rcm" at Feb 22, 96 09:09:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Where can I find more information if I want to understand the > kernel source code. Is there a guide for FreeBSD like the Linux > kernel hackers guide. I did look at the list of books mentioned > in the FAQ but none of them seemed to be related to the kernel source. > Thank you for your time and any info about this will be very much > apppreciated. Hyperlinked kernel sources are on minnie (an Australian machine that is pointed to by the www.freebsd.org web pages) and maintained by Warren Toomey. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 10:58:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA07947 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it ([194.21.207.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA07940 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:58:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from servernt.stylo.it (servernt.stylo.it [194.21.207.13]) by unix.stylo.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA04578 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:50:14 +0100 Received: by servernt.stylo.it with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.1.611) id <01BB015F.EEC80F30@servernt.stylo.it>; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: From: Angelo Turetta To: "noni4737@mstr.hgc.edu" Cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Your mail to freebsd-hackers Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:57:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.1.611 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB015F.EECB1C70" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Contact your mail administrator for information about upgrading your reader to a version that supports MIME. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB015F.EECB1C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (Well, next time better to put something on the subject line :-) >Incidentally, I could not install any packages from the FAT partition. >It seems there is a character case translation problem in locating the = files. I've seen the same problem. The menu-driven package installation program works only from the CD-ROM = (AFAIK): you should use the pkg_add program to install single packages = from wherever you want. pkg_add expects the package file to end with .tgz, otherwise it thinks = it's a normal tar archive and not passes -z to tar itself. If you copy the files on a FAT hard disk from DOS - OS/2 - WinNT - = Win95, you will get mangled names deriving from other OS's incapability = to read RockRidge ISO File System Extensions. Just give them a .tgz = extension, and you will be able to install the packages even after the = name change. Of course, mangled names are often meaningless: print the file = 00_TRANS.TBL you find in every directory on the CD to have a translation = between real names and mangled names hope the helps Angelo ----------------------------------------------------------------- Angelo Turetta mailto:aturetta@stylo.it Stylo Multimedia - Bologna - Italy http://www.stylo.it/ ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB015F.EECB1C70-- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 11:24:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09665 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09589 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:24:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from prospero.physik.fu-berlin.de (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA03245 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:23:58 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by prospero (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02026; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:58:08 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. Date: 22 Feb 1996 17:58:07 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 29 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4giarf$1u7@prospero.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <199602221345.OAA00338@deimos.spase.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kees Jan Koster (dutchman@spase.nl) wrote: : Recently I replaced my the Linux partition on the box I use at SPaSE : with a FreeBSD partition. Since everybody is always wining about Linux : NFS performance I decided to try it out. I dragged a 20Mb file across : the network via NFS, to and from a hp9000 NFS server. For good measure : I threw in a sun, just to see the difference. : Note that this test is in no way conclusive. It was during a normal working : day, with about 20 other machines clobbering the net. Don't pin anyone : down on the result. : copying very_big_file (20.175.259 bytes) to and from NFS server spase5 : machine -> server server -> machine : deimos (i486DX2-66, linux): 654 s 30.8 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s : ariel (pentium 100, linux): 646 s 31.2 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s : phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD): 107 s 188.6 kb/s 32 s 630.5 kb/s : neptunus (sparc, SunOS): 120 s 168.1 kb/s 20 s 1008.8 kb/s can you please do the same test on a linux 1.3.68+ kernel - because someone mentioned they speeded up the nfs code in that version - i would be interested in how much they speeded them up thanks in advance t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 11:25:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09757 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com (freebsd.netcom.com [198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09748 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id NAA00879; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:29:18 -0600 From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Message-Id: <199602221929.NAA00879@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: re: processes wouldn't die (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:29:18 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> From: "Philippe Charnier" > 1 scsi disk + 1 tandberg scsi streamer on 1542CF on ISA Could you tell us what kind of scsi disk it is? How large? Do you export the contents of the scsi disk with nfs? Does the scsi disk have swap space on it? How large is your swap space and have you spread it across multiple drives? Thanks Philippe Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 11:30:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA10161 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA10156 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:30:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA12012 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@FreeBSD.org); Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:29:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199602221929.AA12012@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:29:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln?" (Feb 22, 16:15) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Feb 22, 16:15, Greg Lehey wrote: } Subject: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? } Coming up next week is the German UNIX User's Group technical event of } the year, the Spring Workshops, this year in Koeln (Cologne for those } of you who don't have a German map). If you speak German, look at } http://www.guug.de/GUUG/fj96/fj96prog.html for more details. A number } of contributions will handle FreeBSD: R. Schreiner will be talking } about firewalls base on FreeBSD, Joerg Wunsch will be talking about } "FreeBSD - the other Linux?", and I will be holding a 2 day workshop } on porting, which will also include FreeBSD (of course). If you're } coming to the meeting, we're planning a BoF on Wednesday--let's hear } from you if you plan to come so that we can arrange an appropriately } dimensioned meeting place. Well, I'll be in Cologne those days :) In fact, I'm only a few hundred meters away from the building where the workshop will take place, right now ... STefan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 12:22:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA14973 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14968 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:22:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA16405; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:21:59 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA05580; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:21:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id VAA26185; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:04:26 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602222004.VAA26185@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:04:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: dutchman@spase.nl (Kees Jan Koster) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602221345.OAA00338@deimos.spase.nl> from "Kees Jan Koster" at Feb 22, 96 02:45:03 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Kees Jan Koster wrote: > copying very_big_file (20.175.259 bytes) to and from NFS server spase5 (hp9000) > machine -> server server -> machine > phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD): 107 s 188.6 kb/s 32 s 630.5 kb/s > neptunus (sparc, SunOS): 120 s 168.1 kb/s 20 s 1008.8 kb/s > > Hhmmm. Why can't FreeBSD match the read performence of the sun? ;) Because your FreeBSD machine has a poor network card (or poor FreeBSD driver)? I've tested it with a ~ 20 MB file mounting localhost. I've got 14 seconds reading the file, ~ 1458 KB/s. This is on a not-so-fast 486/33. Since i know that it's possible to saturate an ethernet with FreeBSD (network data rate > 1 MB/s), i suspect your ethernet card is the bottleneck. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 12:37:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16264 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.transport.com (root@transport.com [204.119.17.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA16258 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.transport.com (lisa.transport.com [204.119.17.85]) by mail.transport.com (8.7.3/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA30496; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:36:17 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:36:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199602222036.MAA30496@mail.transport.com> X-Sender: lisa@transport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Subject: Re: Sendmail Cc: coredump@nervosa.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Heres some of the compile notes from 8.7 for FreeBSD. Anyone been through this? [BSDI (BSD/386) 1.0, NetBSD 0.9, FreeBSD 1.0 The "m4" from BSDI won't handle the config files properly. I haven't had a chance to test this myself. The M4 shipped in FreeBSD and NetBSD 0.9 don't handle the config files properly. One must use either GNU m4 1.1 or the PD-M4 recently posted in comp.os.386bsd.bugs (and maybe others). NetBSD-current includes the PD-M4 (as stated in the NetBSD file CHANGES). FreeBSD 1.0 RELEASE has uname(2) now. Use -DUSEUNAME in order to use it (look into Makefile.FreeBSD). NetBSD-current may have it too but it has not been verified. You cannot port the latest version of the Berkeley db library and use it with sendmail without recompiling the world. This is because C library routines use the older version which have incompatible header files -- the result is that it can't read other system files, such as /etc/passwd, unless you use the new db format throughout your system. You should normally just use the version of db supplied in your release. You may need to use -DOLD_NEWDB=1 to make this work -- this turns off some new interface calls (for file locking) that are not in older versions of db. You'll get compile errors if you need this flag and don't have it set. 4.3BSD If you are running a "virgin" version of 4.3BSD, you'll have a very old resolver and be missing some header files. The header files are simple -- create empty versions and everything will work fine. For the resolver you should really port a new version (4.8.3 or later) of the resolver; 4.9 is available on gatekeeper.DEC.COM in pub/BSD/bind/4.9. If you are really determined to continue to use your old, buggy version (or as a shortcut to get sendmail working -- I'm sure you have the best intentions to port a modern version of BIND), you can copy ../contrib/oldbind.compat.c into src and add oldbind.compat.o to OBJADD in the Makefile. On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Lisa Lopshire wrote: > cannot chdir((null)): Bad address > syserr: ExitStat = 71 > > How do I reinstall? I have the diskettes. > Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 get ftp://ftp.cs.berkeley.edu:/pub/sendmail/sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz tar xfvz sendmail-8.7.3.tar.gz cd sendmail-8.7.3 cd src makesendmail makesendmail install == Chris Layne ============================================================== == coredump@nervosa.com ================= http://www.nervosa.com/~coredump == Lisa Lopshire - Systems Engineer - Transport Logic - (503)243-1940 Bend: 317-0400 Vancouver: 693-9090 Salem: 588-7332 Seaside: 738-3844 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 12:45:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16826 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16821 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: From: julian@TFS.COM (Julian Elischer) Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:45:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4giarf$1u7@prospero.physik.fu-berlin.de> from "Thomas Graichen" at Feb 22, 96 05:58:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > : machine -> server server -> machine > : deimos (i486DX2-66, linux): 654 s 30.8 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s > : ariel (pentium 100, linux): 646 s 31.2 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s > : phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD): 107 s 188.6 kb/s 32 s 630.5 kb/s > : neptunus (sparc, SunOS): 120 s 168.1 kb/s 20 s 1008.8 kb/s > > can you please do the same test on a linux 1.3.68+ kernel - because someone > mentioned they speeded up the nfs code in that version - i would be interested > in how much they speeded them up then I guess we should try -current as well :) > julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 13:17:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19812 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwbone.bsi.com.br ([200.250.250.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19490 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:15:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cwbtr01.bsi.com.br (cwbtr01.bsi.com.br [200.250.250.18]) by cwbone.bsi.com.br (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA19646 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:15:07 GMT Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:15:10 +0000 () From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: sockd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I have seen a message about sockd some time ago. Can someone please tell me where to find the software??? Thanks a lot, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 13:31:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA20489 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:31:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from Vorlon.odc.net (nwestfal@Vorlon.odc.net [206.250.32.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20480 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nwestfal@localhost) by Vorlon.odc.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA10741; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:34:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:34:08 -0800 (PST) From: Neal Westfall To: Kees Jan Koster cc: FreeBSD hackers Mailing list Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. In-Reply-To: <199602221345.OAA00338@deimos.spase.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What version of FreeBSD is this, and what are the Linux kernel versions? On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > copying very_big_file (20.175.259 bytes) to and from NFS server spase5 (hp9000) > machine -> server server -> machine > deimos (i486DX2-66, linux): 654 s 30.8 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s > ariel (pentium 100, linux): 646 s 31.2 kb/s 76 s 265.5 kb/s > phobos (pentium 90, FreeBSD): 107 s 188.6 kb/s 32 s 630.5 kb/s > neptunus (sparc, SunOS): 120 s 168.1 kb/s 20 s 1008.8 kb/s > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:11:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23557 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23552 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14239; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:41 -0800 To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith), FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-hackers) Subject: Re: CDE for FreeBSD? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:14:56 EST." <199602221514.KAA14441@shell.monmouth.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:10:41 -0800 Message-ID: <14237.825027041@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk CDE for FreeBSD is looking more and more imminent. I can't say from who or when at the moment (I've been asked to keep my mouth shut about that for the time being), but it's looking very promising. Jordan > > > > mikebo@tellabs.com stands accused of saying: > > > > > > Anyone know of a CDE port to FreeBSD? I understand that RedHat and > > > TriTeal are partnering to sell a commercial quality CDE for Linux. > > > > If you've got a spare $20K for the source license, I'm sure we could come > > up with something. > > > > Failing that, we'll have to wait until someone thinks it's worth the > > investment. I'd suspect that if WC were to talk to TriTeal that the > > distribution numbers would happily compare with RedHat's. > > > > > Michael Borowiec - mikebo@tellabs.com - Tellabs Operations Inc. > > > > > About a year ago a guy at TriTeal told me there were some Linux hackers who > ported CDE to Linux on their own. I wish I could've sent them some FreeBSD > CD's. > > We just have to find the right hackers in the organizations. > > Bill > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. > Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, > 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 > pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:11:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23577 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from luke.pmr.com (luke.pmr.com [206.224.65.132]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23572 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bob@localhost) by luke.pmr.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA00952 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:11:25 -0600 From: Bob Willcox Message-Id: <199602222211.QAA00952@luke.pmr.com> Subject: Increasing DK_NDRIVE value?? To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (freebsd-hackers) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:11:24 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi guys, I would like to increase the value of DK_NDRIVE to 16 (or so) so that I can gather some disk activity stats on all of the drives on my system. I see that it is currently set to 8 and I need it to be at least 14. Does anybody know of any unpleasent consequences that I might see because of this (aside from making some arrays in the kernel bigger)? Thanks, -- Bob Willcox bob@luke.pmr.com Austin, TX From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:13:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23715 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23706 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14269; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:12 -0800 To: Greg Lehey cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) Subject: Re: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:15:42 +0700." <199602221520.QAA28263@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:13:12 -0800 Message-ID: <14267.825027192@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joerg has chosen a rather, uh, interesting title for his talk.. :-) Jordan > Coming up next week is the German UNIX User's Group technical event of > the year, the Spring Workshops, this year in Koeln (Cologne for those > of you who don't have a German map). If you speak German, look at > http://www.guug.de/GUUG/fj96/fj96prog.html for more details. A number > of contributions will handle FreeBSD: R. Schreiner will be talking > about firewalls base on FreeBSD, Joerg Wunsch will be talking about > "FreeBSD - the other Linux?", and I will be holding a 2 day workshop > on porting, which will also include FreeBSD (of course). If you're > coming to the meeting, we're planning a BoF on Wednesday--let's hear > from you if you plan to come so that we can arrange an appropriately > dimensioned meeting place. > > Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:46:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25616 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25610 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA04279; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:45:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602222245.OAA04279@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Increasing DK_NDRIVE value?? To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602222211.QAA00952@luke.pmr.com> from "Bob Willcox" at Feb 22, 96 04:11:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk you might also look at the iostat and changes that Mattias is working on.. look at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/incomoing/iostat.960221.tar.gz I'll bounce his email concerning htis to you: julian > > > Hi guys, > > I would like to increase the value of DK_NDRIVE to 16 (or so) so > that I can gather some disk activity stats on all of the drives on > my system. I see that it is currently set to 8 and I need it to > be at least 14. Does anybody know of any unpleasent consequences > that I might see because of this (aside from making some arrays in > the kernel bigger)? > > Thanks, > -- > Bob Willcox > bob@luke.pmr.com > Austin, TX > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:58:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26388 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26377 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA20494; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:58:10 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA07024; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:57:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id VAA26540; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:46:33 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602222046.VAA26540@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: core dump names To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:46:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9602221730.AA27684@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Feb 22, 96 09:30:17 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Marty Leisner wrote: > I like the behavior of Freebsd to name core dumps with command.core > (when did this start?) It started as core.command somewhere on the way to 4.4BSD. It used to be this way in the grandfather, the Net-2 distribution. > What do you do when you're on a file system which has name > limitation (i.e. 8+3 msdos?) That's why FreeBSD decided to take it reverse: you can truncate the names to longcomm.cor, and it's still somewhat obvious that it's a core file. (What will happen if you then click on it inside Winglows? Will it launche a FreeBSD debugger? :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 14:59:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26449 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.id.net (root@server.id.net [199.125.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26444 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rls@localhost) by server.id.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA00493 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:59:21 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Shady Message-Id: <199602222259.RAA00493@server.id.net> Subject: Help!? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:59:20 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Okay, our main file server has been rebooting like crazy recently.. And I have not been able to figure out why... I have noticed an increased number of rtq_reallyold messages lately, what exactly does this mean??? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:01:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA01261 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from vidigal.nce.ufrj.br ([146.164.10.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01243 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by vidigal.nce.ufrj.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02209; Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:00:41 EST Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:00:41 EST From: pedrosal@nce.ufrj.br (Pedro Salenbauch) Message-Id: <9602230000.AA02209@vidigal.nce.ufrj.br> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Long File Names Cc: pedrosal@nce.ufrj.br Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear Mrs/Sirs: I am working on TROPIX (a real time UNIX like Operating System), which already can mount DOS File Systems. At present I am trying to process the "Long File Names" from the "Windows 95". It is begining to work, but I stumbled over a little problem - I don't know how to calculate the "checksum" of the LFNs (byte 13 of the entry). Do you know? I thank you for every help. Pedro Salenbauch From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:17:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA02216 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:17:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA02210 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:17:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id BAA22831; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:13:30 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199602230013.BAA22831@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: BSD slices in FAT filesystems... To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:13:30 +0100 (MET) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <292.823166938@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 1, 96 01:28:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some time ago someone posted the following: > > For each filesystem, I look for a directory called 'slabs.bsd'. If the > > directory exists, I look in it for files 'a'-'h', 'c' excluded. If any > > of these files are completely contiguous, I add their sector ranges to > > a disklabel attached to the slice. is there any code available to build a fake disklabel for a slice ? Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:28:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA02867 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA02729 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA20570; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:54:55 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602230024.KAA20570@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BSD slices in FAT filesystems... To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:54:54 +1030 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602230013.BAA22831@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> from "Luigi Rizzo" at Feb 23, 96 01:13:30 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Luigi Rizzo stands accused of saying: > > Some time ago someone posted the following: > > > > For each filesystem, I look for a directory called 'slabs.bsd'. If the > > > directory exists, I look in it for files 'a'-'h', 'c' excluded. If any > > > of these files are completely contiguous, I add their sector ranges to > > > a disklabel attached to the slice. > > is there any code available to build a fake disklabel for a slice ? Do you want to be more specific? The code I described above is currently running on a machine at home; I'm trying to improve some aspects of its performance (the FAT reading code is way too slow), but it works OK for the initial test case. Booting from it doesn't work quite right yet; that's the next step. What sort of 'fake' disklabel do you want? > Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:35:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA03467 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03460 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:35:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20618; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:57 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602230031.LAA20618@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: core dump names To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:57 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9602221730.AA27684@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Feb 22, 96 09:30:17 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Marty Leisner stands accused of saying: > > What do you do when you're on a file system which has name > limitation (i.e. 8+3 msdos?) name[0-7].cor > marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:39:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA03793 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA03714 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20596; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:00:22 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602230030.LAA20596@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: need help w/rpc stuff To: bmk@dtr.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:00:22 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602221521.HAA16230@dtr.com> from "bmk@dtr.com" at Feb 22, 96 07:21:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk bmk@dtr.com stands accused of saying: > > I'm also having problems compiling some NFS stuff - it compiles and runs > under SunOS (4.x and 5.x), SCO, dynix, and dynix/ptx. > > Unfortunately, there seems to be some structures in > /usr/include/nfs/nfs.h which aren't implemented in FreeBSD. I can't be > more specific right now, as the machine in question has been shut down > for the rest of the morning for emergency A/C repairs in our machine > room. You'll need to be more specific about your problem 8) > So I guess I have two more questions: > > * Is userland NFS code from SunOS generally workable under BSD? "Generally" > * If so, are there any references to assist in porting? You just need to be prepared to rework your #includes, and chase stuff that SunOS put in the user headers that's really kernel data structures. I'm not a real SunOS porting guru, these are just my observations based on what I've done. Sun invented most of the NFS stuff, so we should still be pretty compatible. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:49:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04551 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04545 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id SAA12644; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:35:21 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602230035.SAA12644@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Increasing DK_NDRIVE value?? To: bob@luke.pmr.com (Bob Willcox) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:35:20 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602222211.QAA00952@luke.pmr.com> from "Bob Willcox" at Feb 22, 96 04:11:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Hi guys, > > I would like to increase the value of DK_NDRIVE to 16 (or so) so > that I can gather some disk activity stats on all of the drives on > my system. I see that it is currently set to 8 and I need it to > be at least 14. Does anybody know of any unpleasent consequences > that I might see because of this (aside from making some arrays in > the kernel bigger)? It works, I've done it. Recompile vmstat/iostat/systat/etc. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 16:56:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA05106 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04887 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA20737; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:19:47 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602230049.LAA20737@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Kernel Source documentation To: rcm@mcs.net (rcm) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:19:46 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "rcm" at Feb 22, 96 09:09:36 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk rcm stands accused of saying: > > hi: > Where can I find more information if I want to understand the > kernel source code. Is there a guide for FreeBSD like the Linux > kernel hackers guide. I did look at the list of books mentioned > in the FAQ but none of them seemed to be related to the kernel source. "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD operating system" will be out in the middle of the year. It's the successor to the same book about the 4.3 BSD (aka the Daemon Book). This is a very blunt and to-the-point book about how the kernel works, and is essential reading. While FreeBSD has grown considerably beyond the system described in this book, it is still the best way to get yourself acquainted with the structure of the system. Aside from that, I'd suggest working on a small part and reaching out from there to see how it interacts with the whole. > rcm. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 17:05:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA05742 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas.com (gw.atlas.com [205.139.124.67]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05681 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from billthecat.atlas.com. (billthecat.atlas.com [97.12.13.38]) by atlas.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA03634; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by billthecat.atlas.com. (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01360; Thu, 22 Feb 96 17:06:03 PST Message-Id: <9602230106.AA01360@billthecat.atlas.com.> Subject: Re: need help w/rpc stuff To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:06:03 -0800 (PST) From: "Brant Katkansky" Cc: bmk@dtr.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602230030.LAA20596@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 23, 96 11:00:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > bmk@dtr.com stands accused of saying: > > > > I'm also having problems compiling some NFS stuff - it compiles and runs > > under SunOS (4.x and 5.x), SCO, dynix, and dynix/ptx. > > > > Unfortunately, there seems to be some structures in > > /usr/include/nfs/nfs.h which aren't implemented in FreeBSD. I can't be > > more specific right now, as the machine in question has been shut down > > for the rest of the morning for emergency A/C repairs in our machine > > room. > > You'll need to be more specific about your problem 8) OK - keep in mind I'm working under an NDA here, so I can't post the entire source. Here's a representative sample of what I'm up against: cc -g -I../include -I/usr/include -DSYSV_IPC -Dfreebsd -c fe_xdr.c fe_xdr.c: In function `xdr_fattr': fe_xdr.c:78: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type fe_xdr.c:80: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type fe_xdr.c:82: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type fe_xdr.c:84: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type fe_xdr.c:86: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type 73:xdr_fattr(xdrsp, fattrp) 74:XDR *xdrsp; 75:struct nfsfattr *fattrp; 76:{ 77: 78: if (!xdr_enum(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_type)) 79: return(0); 80: if (!xdr_u_long(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_mode)) 81: return(0); 82: if (!xdr_u_long(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_nlink)) 83: return(0); 84: if (!xdr_u_long(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_uid)) 85: return(0); 86: if (!xdr_u_long(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_gid)) 87: return(0); It looks to me like struct type nfsfattr is the culprit - in SunOS it's defined in , but I can find no such user or kernel stucture in FreeBSD. Also, the SunOS specifies some other structs like nfswriteargs and nfsreadargs, which I suspect are probably kernel structs in FreeBSD. There are other problems, I'm sure, but if I can tackle these, the rest are probably trivial. > > So I guess I have two more questions: > > > > * Is userland NFS code from SunOS generally workable under BSD? > > "Generally" Playing it safe? :) > > * If so, are there any references to assist in porting? > > You just need to be prepared to rework your #includes, and chase stuff that > SunOS put in the user headers that's really kernel data structures. I'm > not a real SunOS porting guru, these are just my observations based on > what I've done. > > Sun invented most of the NFS stuff, so we should still be pretty compatible. Yeah, well, IBM invented the PC, too. :) -- Brant Katkansky (brantk@atlas.com) Systems Test Engineer, ADC From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 17:38:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA07570 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07551 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA02884; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:25:30 GMT Message-Id: <199602230125.BAA02884@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:25:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Pavlov's Cat"'s message of Feb 21, 12:59pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: SimsS@Infi.Net, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kernel pppd & Shiva LanRover Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Pavlov's Cat" > Date: Wed 21 Feb, 1996 > Subject: kernel pppd & Shiva LanRover > Anyone have any experience getting kernel-mode ppp to work as a client > connecting to a Shiva LanRover? Yes. I've had it working two ways: (1) using a chat script to log in to the LanRover (you need to have shell access or some such configured for your LanRover account, and send a couple of carriage returns on connect to get the prompt; and (2) using CHAP to authenticate (for this, you don't need "shell" access). I'm using a fixed IP address, haven't tried a random one. My chat script when I used method (1) looked like: ABORT BUSY ABORT "NO CARRIER" "" "ATZ" \ OK "ATDT$phone" \ CONNECT "\r" \ id: $user \ assword? \\q$password \ ialback: "" \ ">" ppp \ "starting PPP" Using method (2), my chat script is simply the part up to "CONNECT" above, and my /etc/ppp/chap-secrets contains a line like: user server password When my admin was setting up the LanRover end, I noticed that most account names were full names with spaces (Windoze clients), so this might need some careful quoting (I just had him use my standard Unix login name). I can't remember where I got the server name: I think it was either a name I saw when I logged in manually, or the host part of the LanRover's domain name - I can check this if you're stuck. If I've forgotten anything, or you need more help, drop me a line at work: mark@europe.shiva.com. If I can't sort you out (I haven't really had much exposure of these boxes... yet), I knew a few people who should be able to. ;-) > Any help and I owe you a bunch of > #include Mine's a virtual whisky, thanks! (If you're ever in Edinburgh, Scotland: Shiva Europe HQ and the Scotch Malt Whisky Society HQ are only a few hundred yards' distant...) Mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 18:52:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA13709 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13593 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nunki.usc.edu (dahanaya@nunki.usc.edu [128.125.253.160]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with ESMTP id SAA06078 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dahanaya@localhost) by nunki.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) id SAA04448 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:51:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Diyamanthi Dahanayake Message-Id: <199602230251.SAA04448@nunki.usc.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD <---> sun 3/60 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi All, I have a FreeBSD box running 2.1R and a sun 3/60 (diskless) serving as an xterminal (running the Xkernel). When the FreeBSD box is "fresh" from a boot/reboot I am able to nfs boot the sun. But when I reboot the sun - in this case just by cycling power - the FreeBSD box wouldn't respond and the sun times out tftp. But, as said afore, if I reboot the FreeBSD, and then boot sun things just work fine. That is I can nfs boot the sun first time through, but not there after. Appreciate any input on this. Thanks and Regards, DCD From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Feb 22 22:17:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA14405 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:17:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA14328 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA22002; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:41:01 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602230611.QAA22002@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: need help w/rpc stuff To: brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com (Brant Katkansky) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:41:01 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, bmk@dtr.com, brantk@gatekeeper.atlas.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9602230106.AA01360@billthecat.atlas.com.> from "Brant Katkansky" at Feb 22, 96 05:06:03 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Brant Katkansky stands accused of saying: > > OK - keep in mind I'm working under an NDA here, so I can't post the > entire source. Here's a representative sample of what I'm up against: Understood... > cc -g -I../include -I/usr/include -DSYSV_IPC -Dfreebsd -c fe_xdr.c > fe_xdr.c: In function `xdr_fattr': > fe_xdr.c:78: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type ... > 73:xdr_fattr(xdrsp, fattrp) > 74:XDR *xdrsp; > 75:struct nfsfattr *fattrp; > 76:{ > 77: > 78: if (!xdr_enum(xdrsp, &fattrp->na_type)) > 79: return(0); > It looks to me like struct type nfsfattr is the culprit - in SunOS > it's defined in , but I can find no such user or kernel > stucture in FreeBSD. It's 'struct nfsv2_fattr' in . Note that the member names are different too; the 'na_' members are named 'fa_'. You must be working on some _uglee_ code to want to get at these 8) > Also, the SunOS specifies some other structs like nfswriteargs > and nfsreadargs, which I suspect are probably kernel structs in FreeBSD. Urr. The Guelph NFS code in FreeBSD isn't quite as simple as that 8) I'd be inclined to just steal the header from SunOS, or grab the NFS RPC and retcon it from there. > > > * Is userland NFS code from SunOS generally workable under BSD? > > > > "Generally" > > Playing it safe? :) Well, there's really no such thing as "userland NFS", so it depends on what exactly you have in mind 8) > > Sun invented most of the NFS stuff, so we should still be pretty compatible. > > Yeah, well, IBM invented the PC, too. :) Could have done worse, of course. Intel are great to bash, but there were plenty of far more frightening contenders... > Brant Katkansky (brantk@atlas.com) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:11:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA18328 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:11:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18323 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id JAA23919 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:35 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id JAA15278 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:35 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA17840; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:57:07 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602230757.IAA17840@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Sendmail To: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:57:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602202255.OAA20643@mail.transport.com> from Lisa Lopshire at "Feb 20, 96 02:55:25 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL7 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Lisa Lopshire said: > setoption =QueueDirectory=/var/spool/mqueue > cannot chdir((null)): Bad address > syserr: ExitStat = 71 Are you sure /var/spoll/mqueue exist ? > billybob: {23} -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:13:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA18424 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:13:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18381 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id JAA23915 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:34 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id JAA15275 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:34 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA17830; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:07 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602230756.IAA17830@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Sendmail To: lisa@transport.com (Lisa Lopshire) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, coredump@nervosa.com In-Reply-To: <199602222036.MAA30496@mail.transport.com> from Lisa Lopshire at "Feb 22, 96 12:36:17 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL7 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Lisa Lopshire said: > Anyone been through this? I don't understand your problem... > [BSDI (BSD/386) 1.0, NetBSD 0.9, FreeBSD 1.0 As you see this concern only really old versions... Nothing in this section is relevant to 2.X (I should now as I a the one who made Eric Allman add the comment back in 1.0 days :-)). By sendmail 8.7.4 BTW. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:34:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA19313 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19297 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:34:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA24748 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:34:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199602230834.JAA24748@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? To: nerv@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:24:06 +0100 (MET) From: "Greg Lehey" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <14267.825027192@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 22, 96 02:13:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Joerg has chosen a rather, uh, interesting title for his talk.. :-) I think that's justifiable. You've got to draw attention to the system first. *Then* you can say, "sorry, I lied, it's not Linux at all". Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:50:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA19916 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA19899 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA05991 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:20 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA10782 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:20 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA02740 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:40:44 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602230840.JAA02740@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: BoF at the GUUG meeting in Koeln? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:40:43 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <14267.825027192@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Feb 22, 96 02:13:12 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Joerg has chosen a rather, uh, interesting title for his talk.. :-) > > ..., Joerg Wunsch will be talking about > > "FreeBSD - the other Linux?" Oah, somehow i gotta get the attention of the folks. Note the question mark at the end... ;) Being a core member, i thought it's perhaps a good idea to speak about a ``political'' topic. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:53:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20070 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:53:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20059 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA06010; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:39 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA10792; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA02879; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:07 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602230850.JAA02879@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Long File Names To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:50:07 +0100 (MET) Cc: pedrosal@nce.ufrj.br (Pedro Salenbauch) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9602230000.AA02209@vidigal.nce.ufrj.br> from "Pedro Salenbauch" at Feb 22, 96 09:00:41 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Pedro Salenbauch wrote: > I am working on TROPIX (a real time UNIX like Operating System), > which already can mount DOS File Systems. At present I am trying > to process the "Long File Names" from the "Windows 95". > > It is begining to work, but I stumbled over a little problem - > I don't know how to calculate the "checksum" of the LFNs > (byte 13 of the entry). > > Do you know? I thank you for every help. Sorry, we don't support Winglows 95 long file names (yet). Given the rather miserable shape of our MS-DOS file system support, i doubt it will come soon. We've got a file system ourselves, that supports 255 character file names, ya'know. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 00:58:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20278 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.lirmm.fr (lirmm.lirmm.fr [193.49.104.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA20246 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from lirmm.fr (baobab.lirmm.fr [193.49.106.14]) by lirmm.lirmm.fr (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA01997; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:55:30 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602230855.JAA01997@lirmm.lirmm.fr> To: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: processes wouldn't die Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:55:16 +0100 From: "Philippe Charnier" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Mark Hittinger: >Could you tell us what kind of scsi disk it is? How large? Fujitsu scsi 2 (1GB), don't have the name handy. >Do you export the contents of the scsi disk with nfs? No, the computer is not networked. >Does the scsi disk have swap space on it? 32MB >How large is your swap space and have you spread it across multiple drives? Yes: wd0 (conner 250MB) 40MB dos, rest is FreeBSD 2.0.5 with ~30MB swap (I only boot FreeBSD 2.0.5 for rescuing wd1. I don't know if datas are still on the disk because I didn't boot it for months :)) wd1 (seagate 200MB) FreeBSD current with *no swap*, started with booteasy. sd0 (fuji 1GB) data disk for FreeBSD current with 32MB swap When I boot wd1 (current), I use swap from wd0 and sd0. Only wd0 and wd1 are bootable. Have a nice day. -------- -------- Philippe Charnier charnier@lirmm.fr LIRMM, 161 rue Ada, 34392 Montpellier cedex 5 -- France ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 01:13:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA21081 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:13:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21071 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27580 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:12:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199602230912.KAA27580@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD <---> sun 3/60 To: dahanaya@chaph.usc.edu (Diyamanthi Dahanayake) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 10:09:27 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (Hackers; FreeBSD) In-Reply-To: <199602230251.SAA04448@nunki.usc.edu>; from "Diyamanthi Dahanayake" at Feb 22, 96 6:51 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi All, > > I have a FreeBSD box running 2.1R and a sun 3/60 (diskless) serving > as an xterminal (running the Xkernel). When the FreeBSD box is "fresh" > from a boot/reboot I am able to nfs boot the sun. But when I reboot the > sun - in this case just by cycling power - the FreeBSD box wouldn't > respond and the sun times out tftp. But, as said afore, if I reboot > the FreeBSD, and then boot sun things just work fine. That is I can > nfs boot the sun first time through, but not there after. > > > Appreciate any input on this. What does tcpdump show? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 01:21:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA21537 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA21511 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:20:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA07132 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:20:20 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA10965 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:20:20 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id JAA02983 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:55:52 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602230855.JAA02983@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: processes wouldn't die To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:55:52 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602221538.QAA26112@lirmm.lirmm.fr> from "Philippe Charnier" at Feb 22, 96 04:38:19 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> 11143 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > >> 11154 root -18 0 476K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% ps > >> 10967 root -18 0 208K 12K lockrd 0:00 0.00% 0.00% rpc.rstatd Just one additional point here: i've shutdown my system yesterday. It stalled a moment where i was expecting the ``Press any key to reboot'' message, so i escaped out to DDB, and did a `ps'. All my gettys on the vty's did hang on `lockrd' there. The system finally apparently halted without being able to kill them off. By now, in the running system, i cannot see this. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 01:49:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA23869 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA23863 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA25378 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:50:24 +0800 Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 23 Feb 96 09:45:20 GMT From: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199602211702.JAA13782@freefall.freebsd.org>, <199602211707.SAA22283@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates:wq Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk lehey.pad@sni.de (Greg Lehey) writes: >>> Just for interest's sake, I wish I knew how freefall decides where to >>> send these messages. Most messages seem to get sent to >>> zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de or somewhere in Aachen, neither of which are >>> on sni.de's MX record list. Any insight? >> >> to ease the mail load on freeefall, we make use of the >> /etc/mailertable capability in sendmail v8. various domains >> are re-routed to get the mail off freefall fast. works >> pretty well ;) >Hey, that's a nice way to do it! >Greg I first got the idea when I realised what bitnet.mailgate.cs.mu.oz.au was, and realised that it was quite a good match for /etc/mailertable. Seriously though, it does have it's downsides.. The mail queues are now spread all over the planet, and our postmaster (JMB) can't kill bouncing mail until it eventually times out after 5 days. Cheers, -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 02:05:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA24810 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA24801 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from eng4.sequent.com (eng4.sequent.com [138.95.7.64]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA02085; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:04:05 -0800 Received: from localhost (bjj@localhost) by eng4.sequent.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA23531; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:04:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199602231004.CAA23531@eng4.sequent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: eng4.sequent.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Greg Lehey Cc: dahanaya@chaph.usc.edu (Diyamanthi Dahanayake), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (Hackers; FreeBSD) Subject: Re: FreeBSD <---> sun 3/60 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Feb 96 10:09:27 PST." <199602230912.KAA27580@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 02:04:30 PST From: Ben Jackson Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In message <199602230912.KAA27580@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> , you wrote: > > > > I have a FreeBSD box running 2.1R and a sun 3/60 (diskless) serving > > as an xterminal (running the Xkernel). When the FreeBSD box is "fresh" > > from a boot/reboot I am able to nfs boot the sun. Is the FreeBSD box publishing a temp arp entry for the Sun that is expiring after a while? --Ben From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 02:42:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA28314 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28303 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:42:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA20191 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:44:18 +0100 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:44:18 +0100 From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Message-Id: <199602231044.LAA20191@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD supercomputing Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Our institute is planning a replacement for the existing Ultrix/Alpha/VAX workstation cluster (10Base5 based). Next week we will have meetings on what should be acquired. HP, DEC, IBM, perhaps SGI are on the plan. I want to put an alternative to discussion, namely buying lots of P6, big memory, big disks, 100Mb FAST Ethernet (we also have FDDI connectivity - Fibronics at present). And getting more for the money (around 100,000 USD are to discussion). I would like to gather some thoughts here in this list if such a solution would be feasible, also under the point of view that a bunch of users (ypcat passwd | wc -> 811) have to be supported continously (physicists compiling fortran programs, expecting correct results and having no time to discuss IEEE fp peculiarities or libm.a strangenesses, or perhaps new pentium bugs) OTOH, vendor fortran compilers aren't always as reliable as f2c, par example. There is already a strong L*n*x community I have to cope with and I would also like to gather benchmark data and other arguments pro FreeBSD - I'm under fire anyway for two years now why "*we* make FreeBSD while the other side of the aile is running L*n*x". I always argued with better networking performance, reliability and such. But fact is that some students installed L*n*x on their notebooks because they didn't find their PCMCIA ethernet adapter supported by FreeBSD while it was listed in the L*n*x 'hardware compatibility' list. These are the little needle stings I'm expiriencing every day. Could someone name me some university sites which are preferably running FreeBSD or BSD type Os's and for what reasons? To name again the main issues: - Highspeed networking (100 Mbit, ATM, FDDI) - SMP, clustering , distributed processing. - Numbercrunching (FP issues) - Disk speed Opinions and advice welcome. --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 02:50:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA28666 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:50:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA28661 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 02:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [130.83.63.13] (apfel.zit.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.13]) by zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03544 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:49:49 +0100 X-Sender: petzi@zit1.zit.th-darmstadt.de Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:49:56 +0100 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Subject: 230.400 bps on serial port Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello Hackers, I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? Thanks, Michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 05:37:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA08519 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 05:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from aut.alcatel.at (atusks01.aut.alcatel.at [146.112.129.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA08501 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 05:36:52 -0800 (PST) From: marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (8.7.2/AAA_1) id OAA04308; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:35:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199602231335.OAA04308@aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA02444; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:35:54 +0100 Subject: Att: DG; Intel Endeavor vs. ASUS motherboard To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 14:35:54 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi to all, especially to DG. The info I really need is *why* is ASUS better than Intel OEM boards. Thanks in advance, /Alby From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 06:10:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA09930 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA09919 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 06:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16472; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:07:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It's going to take some real work to make linux nfs run well. The server is in user mode -- no multiple nfs requests active (until they multhread it). also, user-mode means a couple context switches per request -- oops. Also linux networking performance is still way off the mark. ron Ron Minnich |" XNFPREP: ERROR 4007: rminnich@sarnoff.com | Everything in the design was deleted." (609)-734-3120 |Was it something I said? ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 08:32:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19108 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19025 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23009; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:53 -0500 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma022984; Fri Feb 23 11:31:31 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17015; Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:25:25 EST Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21664; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA14380; Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:31:45 EST Message-Id: <9602231631.AA14380@thoth> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: more timeouts Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Durham, NH Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:44 EST From: Alexander Seth Jones Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In regards to my Etherlink II/16 timeout problem... OK. I have network connectivity. I'm using a transceiver, and just needed to set "link2" with ifconfig. But...I'm still seeing timeouts when I initially ifconfig the thing at startup time, but not any time thereafter. I'm also seeing a timeout with my IDE harddrive: wd0: interrupt timeout: wd0: status 58 error 0 wd0: interrupt timeout: wd0: status 58 error 1 Could these possibly be related? Here's what the kernel sees at boot time. Funny thing is there are no IRQ conflicts. Anybody have any ideas? Alex Jones --------------------------------------- avail memory = 38576128 (37672K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 5 maddr 0xc8000 msize 8192 on isa ed0: address 02:60:8c:ac:36:50, type 3c503 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 515MB (1056384 sectors), 1048 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the PCI bus: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:5 vga0 rev 43 int a irq 9 on pci0:9 pci0:11: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 08:56:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA20984 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20979 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA13327 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:54 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:53 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the rest of the world, a release, etc. What is the correct procedure? Thanks, ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21844 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21838 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA13363; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:10:03 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602231710.LAA13363@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:10:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hello Hackers, > > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? > > Thanks, A standard 16550 in normal PC configuration has a maximum port speed of 115,200bps. It can't go at any faster usable speed because you're already at the smallest usable divisor. If you have a real 16550 (i.e. NatSemi, etc), and it's on a card, you can "overclock" it by a factor of 2 or 4 to give 230,400 or 460,800 bits per second. This essentially is a crystal replacement with a soldering iron. Not hard but not for beginners. FreeBSD still thinks that the port is 115,200, you have just changed the underlying hardware to rev up the true speed. I've done this. The interrupt load on the machine jumps accordingly but it works. At 230,400 you will probably be seeing close to 2000 interrupts per second, because the 16550 doesn't have a real large FIFO. I had minor problems with lossage on a 386DX/40. Hayes ("Hayes Microcomputer Products") has something called an "ESP Communications Accelerator". This is essentially a smart serial card which has a much larger FIFO (1K), and has a switchable speed multiplier, so you can get 230,400, 460,800, or 921,600 bps without soldering. Support for the card is at least partially there in -current, although someone said they weren't sure if the FIFO was fully enabled. This is a more pricey alternative (list $99) but Hayes has a special right now, see http://www.hayes.com/esp.htm The Hayes solution is probably the best solution in the long run. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:22:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22907 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22902 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA21861; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:24:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:24:05 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602231724.KAA21861@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Joe Greco Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( In-Reply-To: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> References: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco writes: > I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has > a Thinkpad 720(?)... .... > What is the correct procedure? Get the stuff from: ftp://freefall.freebsd.org/incoming/nate/* Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:33:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA23853 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:33:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA23848 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA23715; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:27:50 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602231727.KAA23715@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:27:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? That is MIDI speed. I wonder what you are doing? 8-). The Intel UART parts, as much as Dennis loves them, use a clock divider and the standard frequency for the crystal makes it impossible to get that data rate out of the serial hardware (I assume you have an Amiga or similar current loop converter for RS232?). My personal opinion is that the Intel parts are utter crap. You will have to go with a part that has the ability to go to baud rates not limited by a clock divider. The easiest of these to get your hands on is a Zilog part. The Zilog part is used on most Appletalk cards for the PC, or for the TOPS network. Check your Amiga manual for what it uses. 8-). Writing a driver is up to you; it should be oe of the easier drivers to write. Or you could get a sound card that the sound driver supports MIDI for; see the sound driver comments/documentation for details. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:35:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA24062 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:35:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24028 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:35:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <20489-2>; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:40:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:34:49 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: FreeBSD Hackers Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: multisession CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Feb23.124033est.20489-2@janus.border.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD support Multivolume format of MultiSession CD-ROMS ????? ie: can you mount sd1a, sd1b, sd1c, etc where sd1 is a CDROM drive ???? I know that there was talk about this a short while ago... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:36:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA24295 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24289 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA23727; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:30:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602231730.KAA23727@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:30:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Feb 23, 96 09:07:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's going to take some real work to make linux nfs run well. The server > is in user mode -- no multiple nfs requests active (until they multhread > it). > also, user-mode means a couple context switches per request -- oops. Actually, this one is solvable using hot engine scheduling. They probably don't implement that yet, since they don't implement threading, but the overhead doesn't have to be as high as you think. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 09:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA25266 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25261 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17129; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: Terry Lambert cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. In-Reply-To: <199602231730.KAA23727@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Actually, this one is solvable using hot engine scheduling. They > probably don't implement that yet, since they don't implement > threading, but the overhead doesn't have to be as high as you think. terry, i think you're right, I'm in my 'every microsecond hurts' mode and so anything looks bad. Any guesstimate as to how low it looks like they can get it? thanks ron From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 10:39:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28608 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:39:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from thing.sunquest.com (thing.Sunquest.COM [149.138.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28602 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:39:14 -0800 (PST) From: tony@thing.sunquest.com Received: by thing.sunquest.com; id AA14252; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:34:21 -0700 Message-Id: <9602231834.AA14252@thing.sunquest.com> To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Face: ZQe?G+$UQG8,i~KL=gy`T:c1bxG<{7ta&{,'$LiA !`"u>-"@wkx>yf.z_5 you wrote: : console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the : #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the : rest of the world, a release, etc. : What is the correct procedure? I just formatted, disklabelled, newfs'd and put the kernel onto it. [I may have also had to use fdisk after the format, been so long since I made by homegrown 2.0.5 recovery floppy, that I don't remember] It took me a few iterations, but it seemed simple enough. The gotchas I recall are: a) label the disk with a bootblock (see man 8 disklabel) b) I had to specify some geometry arguments to newfs, despite using the appropriate disktab entry - otherwise, I ended up with way less than 1.44MB You might want to look into using a compressed kernel and enabling gzip binaries also. If this isn't clear, send me some e-mail. tony From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 10:49:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA29328 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29316 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:49:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id DAA24933; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:47:50 +0900 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:47:50 +0900 Message-Id: <199602231847.DAA24933@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:53 -0600 (CST). <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com writes: >> I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has >> a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be >> freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default >> console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the >> #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the >> rest of the world, a release, etc. >> >> What is the correct procedure? I'm maintainer of PC-card boot floppy. # mkdir /usr/release # mkdir /usr/chroot # cd /usr/src/release # make release.3 CHROOTDIR=/usr/chroot RELEASEDIR=/usr/release # make boot.flp CHROOTDIR=/usr/chroot RELEASEDIR=/usr/release -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 10:52:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA29634 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:52:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29487 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id TAA24760; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:48:31 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199602231848.TAA24760@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:48:31 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Feb 23, 96 10:55:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has > a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be > freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default > console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the > #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the > rest of the world, a release, etc. > > What is the correct procedure? Fix the makefile for making a release... or ask Jordan to make the .o files all available in one place when he builds a release. :) Luigi From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:01:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00260 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00255 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA05940; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:00:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602231900.LAA05940@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD supercomputing To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph P. Kukulies) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602231044.LAA20191@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph P. Kukulies" at Feb 23, 96 11:44:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I would like to gather some thoughts here in this list > if such a solution would be feasible, also under > the point of view that a bunch of users (ypcat passwd | wc -> 811) > have to be supported continously (physicists compiling fortran > programs, expecting correct results and having no time to > discuss IEEE fp peculiarities or libm.a strangenesses, or > perhaps new pentium bugs) OTOH, vendor fortran compilers aren't > always as reliable as f2c, par example. > > There is already a strong L*n*x community I have to cope > with and I would also like to gather benchmark data and > other arguments pro FreeBSD - I'm under fire anyway for two > years now why "*we* make FreeBSD while the other side of the > aile is running L*n*x". I always argued with better networking > performance, reliability and such. But fact is that some students > installed L*n*x on their notebooks because they didn't find > their PCMCIA ethernet adapter supported by FreeBSD while it was > listed in the L*n*x 'hardware compatibility' list. These are > the little needle stings I'm expiriencing every day. l*n*x has PATHETIC networking talk to russel.. here's an extract from www.geli.com Single Node Low-End Workstation Price/Performance Workstation SPECfp92 est. cost SPECfp92/$K HP Model 715/100 100MHz PA-RISC 7100LC 137.0 $16.2 K 8.5 SPARCstation 20 Model 51 50MHz SuperSPARC 84.8 $9.3 K 9.1 SPARCstation 20 Model 612 60MHz SuperSPARC 127.1 $13.0 K 9.8 IBM POWERstation 40P 66 MHz PowerPC 77.2 $8.7 K 8.8 SGI Indigo2 Extreme 200MHz MIPS R4400SC 131.4 $15.7 K 8.4 Pentium 815\100 81.8 $5.1 K 16.0 These results show that workstations are priced relatively closely, in terms of performance, except for the Pentium P54C, which has almost twice the price/performance on SPECfp92. Cluster Price/Performance Things get more interesting when high performance networking is configured into an eight node cluster. The following is an analysis of the price/performance of an eight node cluster assuming FDDI and 100Base-TX ethernet. The analysis is incomplete, because the cost for switches and cabling is not considered. It is, however, representative of actual costs. The second column in the following table is the single node SPECfp92 data, multiplied by 8 nodes. The second column provides an estimated cost for the standard configuration, with the addition of an FDDI adapter. The next column gives the price/performance for the FDDI case. The final two columns repeat the exercise for 100Base-TX. Eight Node Low-End Workstation Price/Performance with High Performance Networking Workstation SPECfp92 cost SPECfp92/$K cost SPECfp92/$K FDDI 100Base-TX HP Model 715/100 1096.0 $182.1 K 6.0 SPARCstation 20 Model 51 678.4 $ 93.7 K 7.2 $79.3 K 8.6 SPARCstation 20 Model 612 1016.8 $123.1 K 8.3 IBM 40P 66 MHz PowerPC SGI 200MHz MIPS R4400SC 1051.2 $149.8 K 7.0 Pentium 815\100 654.4 $ 52.0 K 12.6 $42.6 K 15.4 As before, the eight node P54C-100 system is almost 2x better in price/performance for equivalent networking performance. > > Could someone name me some university sites which are > preferably running FreeBSD or BSD type Os's and for what reasons? > > To name again the main issues: > > - Highspeed networking (100 Mbit, ATM, FDDI) well that lets LINUX out of the picture.. > > - SMP, clustering , distributed processing. SMP is no a cost effective addition.. it complicates the algorythms for scheduling work when you have to schedule work in two levels. > > - Numbercrunching (FP issues) P6 is apparently pretty blinding > > - Disk speed we have the best.. > > Opinions and advice welcome. > > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:01:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00305 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00300 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tq2kR-0009YVC; Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:01 PST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby To: Joe Greco cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( In-Reply-To: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Feb 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has > a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be > freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default > console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the > #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the > rest of the world, a release, etc. > > What is the correct procedure? > > Thanks, > > ... JG I would be interested in this information too! Thanks... ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:26:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01259 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01251 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA08588 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:26:28 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199602231926.OAA08588@rk.ios.com> Subject: Disk perf. with different HDs/Adapt. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:26:28 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, Who are Today's Fastest ? :) I mean the combination of motherboard/SCSI HD/SCI adapter that delivers max perfomance ? max read/write speed etc ? I have different values here on ASUS 133/166 Mhz P5, 150/200Mhz PPro machines( with mucho deprecated PCI set) and RAID Arrays. For example (command is: dd if=/dev/rsd0a of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k) P166/ASUS/Aha2940(not wide,Seagate): 13107200 bytes transferred in 2 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) P133(other stuff the same) 52428800 bytes transferred in 8 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) P6-200Mhz(the same, runs INND and ~130 readers + 2 feeds at the time of the test): 13107200 bytes transferred in 3 secs (4369066 bytes/sec) real slow comparing to the "regular" PCI chip like one in P5 ASUSes P5-166(Bustec Wide SCSI, Seagate 32250W, under BSDI) - ~8700000 bytes/sec P6-200 ASUS( hate it!) with RAID array ( all in HW no special drivers reqd) - only 3Mb/sec ! So ... any1 here has some info on the topic to share? I'd really like to know read speed on ftp.freebdf.org ( I wasnt able to get Alder here :)) Any considerations of what to do to make the system fly ? What's the max one saw with Wide Adaptors ? 100Mb ethernet ? Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:27:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01288 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:27:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01245 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:26:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA26638; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:21:31 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:21:31 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602231921.GAA26638@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se Subject: Re: iostat Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Because of the need for better time percision the implementation >curently uses microtime to get the time, but this is'nt realy that >good, because it is possible for it to go backward! So if someone >think that this is something that could be usefull for FreeBSD I >would love to rewrite it for a simple clock that only should be >useful to get delta times from, but with high percisiton. Just fix microtime(). I have seen the clock go backwards a couple of times recently: Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #735: Mon Feb 19 07:27:53 EST 1996 Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: bde@alphplex.bde.org:/a/obj/sys/compile/nprof Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock ... i586 clock: 132622890 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193105 Hz Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: CPU: Pentium (132.62-MHz 586-class CPU) Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Stepping=11 Feb 20 01:12:39 alphplex /kernel: Features=0x1bf ... Feb 20 03:25:30 alphplex /kernel: calcru: negative time: -70873 usec ... Feb 21 01:33:10 alphplex /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #738: Tue Feb 20 21:53:27 EST 1996 Feb 21 01:33:10 alphplex /kernel: bde@alphplex.bde.org:/a/obj/sys/compile/nprof Feb 21 01:33:10 alphplex /kernel: Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock ... i586 clock: 132622874 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193105 Hz Feb 21 01:33:10 alphplex /kernel: CPU: Pentium (132.62-MHz 586-class CPU) ... Feb 23 19:54:54 alphplex /kernel: calcru: negative time: -314 usec I've never seen this on i486 systems. No time daemons or users running `date' or adjtime() were active. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:39:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01972 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01965 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05279 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:41:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:41:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199602231941.OAA05279@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Hello Hackers, >> >> I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for >> PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a >> Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and >> how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? >> >> Thanks, > >A standard 16550 in normal PC configuration has a maximum port speed of >115,200bps. It can't go at any faster usable speed because you're already >at the smallest usable divisor. > >If you have a real 16550 (i.e. NatSemi, etc), and it's on a card, you can >"overclock" it by a factor of 2 or 4 to give 230,400 or 460,800 bits per >second. This essentially is a crystal replacement with a soldering iron. >Not hard but not for beginners. FreeBSD still thinks that the port is >115,200, you have just changed the underlying hardware to rev up the.. Don't forget to crank up those RS-232 drivers too! db From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:41:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02270 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02251 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17918; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:39:14 -0800 To: Joe Greco cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:53 CST." <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:39:13 -0800 Message-ID: <17916.825104353@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has > a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be I'd forget it. It takes a couple of hundred megs of disk space, at a minimum, and you need to be rather intimiately aquainted with the workings of /usr/src/release/Makefile to even contemplate substituting another kernel in. If you're really keen on doing this then I suggest reading the above VERY VERY thoroughly. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 11:53:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04043 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA04030 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA23978; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:44 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602231947.MAA23978@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD NFS performance. To: rminnich@Sarnoff.COM (Ron G. Minnich) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Ron G. Minnich" at Feb 23, 96 12:47:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Actually, this one is solvable using hot engine scheduling. They > > probably don't implement that yet, since they don't implement > > threading, but the overhead doesn't have to be as high as you think. > > terry, i think you're right, I'm in my 'every microsecond hurts' mode and > so anything looks bad. Any guesstimate as to how low it looks like they > can get it? The limit is going to be copy overhead. If they implement using a mux in the kernel for incoming packets, do hot engine scheduling off the mux, and mmap files that they serve, then the main bottleneck should be in disk overhead, since they save all the extra protection domain copies and the context switch overhead (assuming they are smart about rescheduling the same process and lazy saves of process state on context switch). That is, they should be able to come quite close to the current performance of FreeBSD, assuming they fix their disk drivers. FreeBSD has a couple of wins that could be incorporated as well. Eventually, when someone get kernel multithreading, I expect the request service engines could be realtime kernel threads. If you turn the packet around without any context switch whatsoever, that's probably as optimal as you could get. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 12:05:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05358 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05348 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA07830 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:04:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199602232004.AA07830@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:04:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: Rashid Karimov "Disk perf. with different HDs/Adapt." (Feb 23, 14:26) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Rashid Karimov Subject: Re: Disk perf. with different HDs/Adapt. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Feb 23, 14:26, Rashid Karimov wrote: } Subject: Disk perf. with different HDs/Adapt. } Hi there folx, } } } Who are Today's Fastest ? :) } } } I mean the combination of motherboard/SCSI HD/SCI adapter } that delivers max perfomance ? max read/write speed etc ? } } } I have different values here on ASUS 133/166 Mhz P5, } 150/200Mhz PPro machines( with mucho deprecated PCI set) } and RAID Arrays. } } } For example } (command is: dd if=/dev/rsd0a of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k) } } P166/ASUS/Aha2940(not wide,Seagate): } 13107200 bytes transferred in 2 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) If you report 'dd' numbers, then **please** add at least 'time' info ... E.g.: # time dd if=/dev/rsd0a of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k 13107200 bytes transferred in 2 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) 1.92 real 0.01 user 0.05 sys # time dd if=/dev/rsd0c of=/dev/null count=800 bs=64k 52428800 bytes transferred in 8 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) 7.53 real 0.00 user 0.24 sys Those 1.92 seconds make for exactly 6826667 Bytes per second ... And the 7.43 give some 6962656 Bytes/s. (Yes, I know, the results aren't exact to more than 2 decimals due to the limited time resolution ...) BTW: Mine is an ASUS SP3G motherboard (NCR53c810, Quantum Atlas 2GB), hardly a competition to your P5 or P6 :) } P133(other stuff the same) } 52428800 bytes transferred in 8 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) } } P6-200Mhz(the same, runs INND and ~130 readers + 2 feeds } at the time of the test): } 13107200 bytes transferred in 3 secs (4369066 bytes/sec) } real slow comparing to the "regular" PCI chip like one } in P5 ASUSes } } P5-166(Bustec Wide SCSI, Seagate 32250W, under BSDI) - } ~8700000 bytes/sec That's one of the famous dual-head SCSI drives ? Will be beaten by the next generation of Fast-20 drives from all major vendors (Seagate, Quantum, IBM) which use MR head technology (net data rate of 12MB/s to 7MB/s). } P6-200 ASUS( hate it!) with RAID array ( all in HW no } special drivers reqd) - only 3Mb/sec ! Well, RAID doesn't seem the way to go, if you are looking for top performance ... Were the drives synchronized and was a reasonable write buffer in the controller ? How does CCD compare ? It was quite good according to the last values I saw ... Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 12:08:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05653 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05645 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19326; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:06:02 -0800 To: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:47:50 +0900." <199602231847.DAA24933@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:06:02 -0800 Message-ID: <19324.825105962@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm maintainer of PC-card boot floppy. > > # mkdir /usr/release > # mkdir /usr/chroot > # cd /usr/src/release > # make release.3 CHROOTDIR=/usr/chroot RELEASEDIR=/usr/release > # make boot.flp CHROOTDIR=/usr/chroot RELEASEDIR=/usr/release This still assumes that you've somehow edited or caused to be edited (in mid-step) the kernel configuration file(s). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 12:38:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08044 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it ([194.21.207.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08035 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:38:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from servernt.stylo.it (servernt.stylo.it [194.21.207.13]) by unix.stylo.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00904 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:20:44 +0100 Received: by servernt.stylo.it with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.1.611) id <01BB0235.D1104FD0@servernt.stylo.it>; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: From: Angelo Turetta To: freebsd-hackers Subject: IP Aliasing: a little confused Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:28:02 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.1.611 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB0235.D1135D10" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Contact your mail administrator for information about upgrading your reader to a version that supports MIME. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB0235.D1135D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope someone can make it more clear. My Internet router is running 2.0.5R: its NE2000 is assigned the IP = 194.21.207.254 out of my class "C" network. I've other PCs 'Internet enabled' on the same network, and a PPP = connection via V34 leased line to my Internet provider. On the same physical LAN, I've setup an internal IP network using one of = the class "C" reserved for internal use by the RFCxxxx (sorry I don't = have the RFC number handy :-( 192.168.1.x In rc.local, I've added: ifconfig ed1 alias 192.168.1.254 netmask 0xffffff00 ifconfig ed1 alias 194.20.21.28 netmask 0xfffffff0 (the second is for temporarily keeping the old IP addresses I used to = have before requesting a class "C") After boot, my routing table is: Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif = Expire default 194.20.20.37 UGc 25 9 tun0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 2 73 lo0 192.168.1 link#1 UC 0 0 194.20.20.37 194.21.207.250 UH 16 0 tun0 194.20.21.16 link#1 UC 0 0 194.21.207 link#1 UC 0 0 194.21.207.254 127.0.0.1 UGHS 0 0 lo0 224 link#1 UCS 0 0 Now, weirdness # 1: when the router must tell its address to the = ethernet, it always uses the one from the lowest numbered network, and = not from the same network as the source address: that is, when I = traceroute a PC on the internal network from one on the Internet = network, I get: E:\>tracert www.regulus.it Tracing route to segreteria.regulus.it [192.168.1.1] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms unix.regulus.it [192.168.1.254] 2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms segreteria.regulus.it [192.168.1.1] And the same happens for packets going through the ppp link. E:\>tracert www.dsnet.it Tracing route to maggiore.dsnet.it [194.20.20.15] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms unix.regulus.it [192.168.1.254] 2 150 ms 150 ms 160 ms mazzini.dsnet.it [194.20.20.37] 3 160 ms 170 ms 171 ms maggiore.dsnet.it [194.20.20.15] Is this normal ????? I'd think if a fixed address must be used, it should be the 'TRUE' one, = not one of the aliases. Weirdness # 2 (worst than first): one of the PCs on the 'Internet' = subnet has a dial-up connection to another site. There, the IP addresses = are taken from another RFCxxxx reserved network: 10.0.0.0 netmask = 255.0.0.0. My side of the link is on the machine at 194.21.207.13. when I issue this command: # route add -net 10 194.21.207.13 the new route becomes: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif = Expire 10 194.21.207.13 UGSc 0 0 tun0 You may see the Netif value is wrong, as it routes packets for the new = net to the 'default' interface, rather than the interface through which = the gateway is reacheable. Obviously, packets sent to 10.x.x.x are lost. Is there any way to work around this problem ? Thanks in advance for any help. 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Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08887 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:47:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA24123; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:42:09 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602232042.NAA24123@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: terry@safetynet.net (Terry Lambert) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:42:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602231727.KAA23715@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Feb 23, 96 10:27:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? > > That is MIDI speed. I wonder what you are doing? 8-). Actually, I'm suprised no one cause this. It's not MIDI speed. I sayw the 2, 3, and 4, and "ding" -- I thought MIDI speed. The clock rate arguments are the same for MIDI as any "non-standard" rate, so no harm done. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 12:52:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09308 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09296 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id VAA19670; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:52:15 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA25025; Fri, 23 Feb 96 21:52:14 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA05767; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:51:32 +0100 Message-Id: <9602232051.AA05767@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> Subject: Re: iostat To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:51:31 +0100 (MET) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602231921.GAA26638@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 24, 96 06:21:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > >Because of the need for better time percision the implementation > >curently uses microtime to get the time, but this is'nt realy that > >good, because it is possible for it to go backward! So if someone > >think that this is something that could be usefull for FreeBSD I > >would love to rewrite it for a simple clock that only should be > >useful to get delta times from, but with high percisiton. > > Just fix microtime(). Hmm, I guess that I wasn't all clear what I wanted. The thing that I want is a timer that never ever can return a time before the time that it got last time it was called in one session (from the last time booted). One other thing that I whould like with it is that it should be fast to calculate timedeltas with, that would make it very good for all types ofprofiling in the kernel and it should could give a value for the time since boot needed to calculate some statistics. > I have seen the clock go backwards a couple of times recently: ... > I've never seen this on i486 systems. This does not look good, I have tried to understand the code in microtime.s but I have never been into x86 assembler so I didn't realy understand what the code at the pentium_microtime did but it seems on your description like that is where the "bug" is. > No time daemons or users running `date' or adjtime() were active. But there is some system where `date' and/or adjtime is active :-). > Bruce /Mattias --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 12:53:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09425 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:53:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09412 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 12:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA00722; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:51:15 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA17081; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:51:14 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id VAA04386; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:27:10 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602232027.VAA04386@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 21:27:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Beckmann wrote: > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. 115 kbps is the pre-divisor 1, i.e. the full clock speed of a standard serial card. You can plug in a card with double speed, and 115200 will actually be 230400 (though the system doesn't know this). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:10:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA11313 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11305 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com (root@ccnet.ccnet.com [192.215.96.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA25966 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:10:12 -0800 Received: (from root@localhost) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA11758; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:02:46 -0800 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA22597 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:18:25 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA21983 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:12:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21844 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21838 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id LAA13363; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:10:03 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602231710.LAA13363@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:10:03 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hello Hackers, > > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? > > Thanks, A standard 16550 in normal PC configuration has a maximum port speed of 115,200bps. It can't go at any faster usable speed because you're already at the smallest usable divisor. If you have a real 16550 (i.e. NatSemi, etc), and it's on a card, you can "overclock" it by a factor of 2 or 4 to give 230,400 or 460,800 bits per second. This essentially is a crystal replacement with a soldering iron. Not hard but not for beginners. FreeBSD still thinks that the port is 115,200, you have just changed the underlying hardware to rev up the true speed. I've done this. The interrupt load on the machine jumps accordingly but it works. At 230,400 you will probably be seeing close to 2000 interrupts per second, because the 16550 doesn't have a real large FIFO. I had minor problems with lossage on a 386DX/40. Hayes ("Hayes Microcomputer Products") has something called an "ESP Communications Accelerator". This is essentially a smart serial card which has a much larger FIFO (1K), and has a switchable speed multiplier, so you can get 230,400, 460,800, or 921,600 bps without soldering. Support for the card is at least partially there in -current, although someone said they weren't sure if the FIFO was fully enabled. This is a more pricey alternative (list $99) but Hayes has a special right now, see http://www.hayes.com/esp.htm The Hayes solution is probably the best solution in the long run. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:31:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA12715 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12700 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA31212; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 08:29:39 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 08:29:39 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602232129.IAA31212@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se, bde@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: iostat Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Just fix microtime(). >Hmm, I guess that I wasn't all clear what I wanted. The thing that >I want is a timer that never ever can return a time before the >time that it got last time it was called in one session (from the >last time booted). One other thing that I whould like with it is >that it should be fast to calculate timedeltas with, that would >make it very good for all types ofprofiling in the kernel and >it should could give a value for the time since boot needed to >calculate some statistics. This can be implemented as: struct timeval tv; microtime(&tv); timevalsub(&tv, &boottime); It can't be done portably much faster than this unless you optimize for profiling at the expense of normal operations that want the current time. >> I have seen the clock go backwards a couple of times recently: >... >> I've never seen this on i486 systems. >This does not look good, I have tried to understand the code in >microtime.s but I have never been into x86 assembler so I didn't >realy understand what the code at the pentium_microtime did but >it seems on your description like that is where the "bug" is. It's very simple :-). See isa/prof_machdep.c for a slightly faster non-Pentium version written in C. This depends on being called often and is only good for profiling. >> No time daemons or users running `date' or adjtime() were active. >But there is some system where `date' and/or adjtime is active :-). adjtime() isn't a problem - it only makes tiny adjustments and never sets the clock backwards I just got another negative time: -6625 usec. I'll add some checks in microtime() and in . Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:37:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA13451 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:37:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from kithrup.com (kithrup.com [205.179.156.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13438 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:37:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sef@localhost) by kithrup.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA17425 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:37:26 -0800 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:37:26 -0800 From: Sean Eric Fagan Message-Id: <199602232137.NAA17425@kithrup.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Hayes ("Hayes Microcomputer Products") has something called an "ESP >Communications Accelerator". This is essentially a smart serial card which >has a much larger FIFO (1K), and has a switchable speed multiplier, so you >can get 230,400, 460,800, or 921,600 bps without soldering. Support for the >card is at least partially there in -current, although someone said they >weren't sure if the FIFO was fully enabled. I have the Hayes; in my patches (which I ported to 1.1 from John Vinopal's NetBSD changes, and then gave to Bruce to port to 2.x), the FIFO does seem to be fully used. I'm not sure how to tell, though ;). I've thought about adding support for the higher speeds to the driver; basicly, that would mean having the driver check the speed being requested, and find the correct multiplier. Sean. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:47:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14586 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:47:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14572 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00533 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:47:52 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199602232147.OAA00533@hemi.com> Subject: Quotas and 2.1-R hangs To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:47:52 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Has anyone been successful in running quotas on a production 2.1-R machine ? I installed quotas on a test machine (options quota in the kernel, added userquotas in /etc/fstab, quotacheck -av, edquota, and finally quotaon.) The quota enabled only on one UFS partition. However, the system will hang from time to time since I've enabled quotas (hang==requiring reboot.) Also, sometimes I need to run quotacheck -av a few times before it would come back clean. There's only one entry in the user quota file, and one entry in the group quota file. Any ideas ? Thanks, -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:48:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14832 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14822 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <20482-1>; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:54:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:48:21 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: FreeBSD Hackers Cc: netbsd-help@NetBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <96Feb23.165402est.20482-1@janus.border.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello out there. I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have a need to create a CD that I can use the UNIX utility 'dd' to copy 'verbatim' from the CD to a new hard disk... The exact method of getting the contents to the new hard disk is not as important as having more than one partition on the CD... I haver ead something about having a MultiVolume MultiSession CD.. I can create this, but, is it supported by the UNIX systems AND can I slice it up as outlined below ?? I also need to be able to mount/umount each filesystem on demand. I am able to create the required layout on a UNIX system(on another disk), but, can I copy it to the CD somehow ?? This would make the layout definition much more maintainable and support quicker testing.. I have the YAHAMA CD-EXPERT CDE100 Compact Disc Recorder... The OS of choice for the creation is: MS-Windows with Corel CD CREATER, BSDI 1.X, NetBSD 1.1, FreeBSD 2.1+ and LAST but not least Linux. What software is needed if the OS is NOT MS-Windows... This will include things like the typical 4 partitions that PC systems support as weel as any disklabels that may be on a UNIX partition.. For example: partition 0: UNIX(ISO9660) sliced up into a single FS a: / partition 1: UNIX(NOT ISO9660) sliced up as: a: / partition 2: UNIX, another different UNIX(MAYBE ISO9660) sliced up as: a: / partition 3: UNIX again, additional space(ISO9660) sliced up as: a: / -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 13:51:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA15068 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:51:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com (root@ccnet.ccnet.com [192.215.96.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15058 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21463; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:46:25 -0800 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA14036 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:20:39 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19148 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA19108 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA19025 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA23009; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:53 -0500 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma022984; Fri Feb 23 11:31:31 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17015; Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:25:25 EST Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21664; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA14380; Fri, 23 Feb 96 11:31:45 EST Message-Id: <9602231631.AA14380@thoth> To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, questions@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: more timeouts Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Durham, NH Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:31:44 EST From: Alexander Seth Jones Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In regards to my Etherlink II/16 timeout problem... OK. I have network connectivity. I'm using a transceiver, and just needed to set "link2" with ifconfig. But...I'm still seeing timeouts when I initially ifconfig the thing at startup time, but not any time thereafter. I'm also seeing a timeout with my IDE harddrive: wd0: interrupt timeout: wd0: status 58 error 0 wd0: interrupt timeout: wd0: status 58 error 1 Could these possibly be related? Here's what the kernel sees at boot time. Funny thing is there are no IRQ conflicts. Anybody have any ideas? Alex Jones --------------------------------------- avail memory = 38576128 (37672K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x30f irq 5 maddr 0xc8000 msize 8192 on isa ed0: address 02:60:8c:ac:36:50, type 3c503 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 515MB (1056384 sectors), 1048 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the PCI bus: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:5 vga0 rev 43 int a irq 9 on pci0:9 pci0:11: CMD, device=0x0640, class=storage (ide) [no driver assigned] From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:01:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA15835 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccnet.ccnet.com (root@ccnet.ccnet.com [192.215.96.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15830 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:01:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA24039; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 13:57:20 -0800 Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [192.216.222.4]) by ccnet.ccnet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA15693 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:30:55 -0800 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA21011 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA20984 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA20979 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA13327 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:54 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:55:53 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the rest of the world, a release, etc. What is the correct procedure? Thanks, ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:06:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16096 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:06:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16089 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-082.etinc.com (ppp-082.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05552 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:08:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:08:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199602232208.RAA05552@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for >> PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a >> Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and >> how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? > >That is MIDI speed. I wonder what you are doing? 8-). > >The Intel UART parts, as much as Dennis loves them Where the heck did you get this from? I don't "love" or perfer any async UART in general! db From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:42:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18376 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18350 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:41:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA10779 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:41:51 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA18700 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:41:50 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id TAA19559; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:23:25 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602231823.TAA19559@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:23:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Michael Beckmann at "Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL7 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Michael Beckmann said: > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? I don't think we can do more than 115.2k on standard serial ports. You may try the Hayes ESP card which claim to support 230k. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:42:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18426 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18415 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA10773 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:41:50 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA18697 ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:41:49 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id TAA19549; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:21:19 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199602231821.TAA19549@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates:wq To: peter@jhome.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:21:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Peter Wemm at "Feb 23, 96 09:45:20 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1688 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL7 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Peter Wemm said: > Seriously though, it does have it's downsides.. The mail queues are now > spread all over the planet, and our postmaster (JMB) can't kill bouncing > mail until it eventually times out after 5 days. Maybe it is time to look at "qmail" ? It is a sendmail replacement made by D.J. Bernstein whichi claim to more secure (by using smaller non-root programs) and faster (by parallelizing more and -- I think -- using pre-fork à la httpd). I'll take a look at it anyway. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #1: Tue Feb 20 01:16:51 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:46:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18626 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18621 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-082.etinc.com (ppp-082.etinc.com [204.141.95.142]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA05645; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:48:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:48:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199602232248.RAA05645@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >The Intel UART parts, as much as Dennis loves them >> >> Where the heck did you get this from? I don't "love" or perfer any async >> UART in >> general! > >The "dream machine" discussion... No. You suggested using a Zilog SIO controller for synchronous communications. I prefer dedicated HDLC protocol processors. The async part of it is irrelevant to me. dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 14:56:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA19137 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19128 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA24445; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:50:48 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602232250.PAA24445@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:50:48 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602232248.RAA05645@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Feb 23, 96 05:48:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> >The Intel UART parts, as much as Dennis loves them > >> > >> Where the heck did you get this from? I don't "love" or perfer any async > >> UART in > >> general! > > > >The "dream machine" discussion... > > No. You suggested using a Zilog SIO controller for synchronous communications. > I prefer dedicated HDLC protocol processors. The async part of it is > irrelevant to me. Do you mean the Zilog USART I suggested (the one Sun uses?) when you say "controller" here? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 15:05:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19598 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:05:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19590 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA04041; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:04:44 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA19126; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:04:43 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA05382; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:52:26 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602232152.WAA05382@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Arrrrrrgh, making a boot floppy! :-( To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:52:25 +0100 (MET) Cc: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602231655.KAA13327@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Feb 23, 96 10:55:53 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > > I need to generate a boot floppy with a modified kernel. A local hacker has > a Thinkpad 720(?) and is trying to install FreeBSD on it, it seems to be > freaking on his keyboard so I am trying to put pcvt in as the default > console driver with SCANSET 2. I'm having a devil of a time just making the > #*(&#&(#^#$*#$(@#9^$@(*#^(*@&)$@(@) floppy. Preferably without building the > rest of the world, a release, etc. > > What is the correct procedure? Pick Nate's bootfloppy. :) Making a bootfloppy is rather easy (newfs, mount, and cp a kernel over to it), but making an installation floppy is a harder bit of work. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 15:07:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19683 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19678 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA23525; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:10:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:10:17 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602232310.QAA23525@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates:wq In-Reply-To: <199602231821.TAA19549@keltia.freenix.fr> References: <199602231821.TAA19549@keltia.freenix.fr> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Seriously though, it does have it's downsides.. The mail queues are now > > spread all over the planet, and our postmaster (JMB) can't kill bouncing > > mail until it eventually times out after 5 days. > > Maybe it is time to look at "qmail" ? It is a sendmail replacement made by > D.J. Bernstein whichi claim to more secure (by using smaller non-root > programs) and faster (by parallelizing more and -- I think -- using > pre-fork à la httpd). I doubt anything can help too much. Basically, freefall is pushing a *LOT* of mail. More parallelizing is simply adding more load, unless the programs are smaller. Basically, freefall is spending all it's time pushing bits and isn't as useful for development. However, most of the developers only commit on freefall, so it's used less and less for actual compiles so it's becoming less of an issue of freefall's load and more of an issue of WC network link. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 15:38:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21317 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.ctron.com (ctron.com [134.141.197.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21297 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 15:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by gatekeeper.ctron.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA19111; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:38:34 -0500 Received: from stealth.ctron.com(134.141.5.107) by gatekeeper via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma019089; Fri Feb 23 18:38:14 1996 Received: from shadowfax.ctron.com by stealth.ctron.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12352; Fri, 23 Feb 96 18:32:08 EST Received: from thoth (thoth.ctron.com [134.141.65.91]) by shadowfax.ctron.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24688; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:38:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by thoth (4.1/4.7) id AA15829; Fri, 23 Feb 96 18:38:28 EST Message-Id: <9602232338.AA15829@thoth> To: questions@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: X help Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. Durham, NH Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:38:28 EST From: Alexander Seth Jones Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm having trouble getting X setup on my Gateway 2000 P4D-66. When I try to bring up an xterm I get the following error message: xterm: Error 23, errno 25: Inappropriate ioctl for device This error even pops up if I try to run an xterm from my FreeBSD box with the display set to my SparcStation. The Gateway has a PS/2 mouse, which I've reconfigured the kernel for, and I can move it around all that. I'm pretty sure I have the right X server, so I don't think that's the problem. Anyone have any ideas? Alex Jones From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 16:22:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22759 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22754 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA11293; Fri, 23 Feb 96 19:21:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id AAA00739; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:21:57 GMT Message-Id: <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Whither ddb Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:21:56 EDT From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Color me ignorant. I've jumped into kernel hacking on my 2.1R system with both feet and but now I've run into a roadblock. `man -k debug` hints at ddb. `man ddb` says it's a better replacement for kdb. I've built ddb support into my kernel? Is there supposed to be a separate ddb program? If so there's no such beast on my system. A cursory look at FreeBSD-stable on WC didn't reveal sources for a separate ddb program either. The ddb man page says a lot about how to use ddb once running but??? What exactly is the strategy for debugging a kernel? -- Kaleb KEITHLEY From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 16:35:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24053 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24046 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA03638; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:35:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199602240035.QAA03638@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Whither ddb In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:21:56 EDT." <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 16:35:58 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Color me ignorant. I've jumped into kernel hacking on my 2.1R system >with both feet and but now I've run into a roadblock. > >`man -k debug` hints at ddb. `man ddb` says it's a better replacement for >kdb. I've built ddb support into my kernel? Is there supposed to be a >separate ddb program? If so there's no such beast on my system. A cursory >look at FreeBSD-stable on WC didn't reveal sources for a separate ddb >program either. The ddb man page says a lot about how to use ddb once >running but??? > >What exactly is the strategy for debugging a kernel? Either use the debugger escape sequence (ctrl-alt-esc or ctrl-printscrn), or wait for the system to panic - it will drop into the debugger at that time. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 17:25:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28586 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28581 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA24087; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:45:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 17:45:33 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602240045.RAA24087@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Whither ddb In-Reply-To: <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> References: <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Color me ignorant. I've jumped into kernel hacking on my 2.1R system > with both feet and but now I've run into a roadblock. > > `man -k debug` hints at ddb. `man ddb` says it's a better replacement for > kdb. I've built ddb support into my kernel? Is there supposed to be a > separate ddb program? Nope, it's part of the kernel. See /sys/ddb. Also, you can jump directly into ddb at bootup by booting with -d I believe. Else, if you are using syscons brings you and it's enabled in your keymap. > What exactly is the strategy for debugging a kernel? Find out where it's dying, and then backtrace from there. I haven't actually fixed anything in the kernel, but I did find out where it wasn't working by using DDB to find the offending code, and then setting a break-point with DDB just before and stepping through the code (ugh.) Either that, or look at the core dumps (assuming you've enabled them) to find out where the bug is with gdb and then single stepping through the code. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 18:10:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03313 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03293 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA25642; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:39:15 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602240209.MAA25642@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:39:14 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Michael Beckmann" at Feb 23, 96 11:49:56 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann stands accused of saying: > > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? You will have to buy a special serial card; the standard serial ports on a PC can only be configured for 115200. Note that at the speed you suggest a 16550 UART will be generating around 15,000 interrupts per second. This will place a _serious_ load on your system, and if you're using IDE disk, may cause you to suffer communications problems. Unless you're building a dedicated router, I'd suggest looking for an alternative solution. > Michael -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 18:17:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04093 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04077 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20403; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:16:54 -0800 To: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Whither ddb In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:21:56 EDT." <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:16:54 -0800 Message-ID: <20401.825128214@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > `man -k debug` hints at ddb. `man ddb` says it's a better replacement for > kdb. I've built ddb support into my kernel? Is there supposed to be a I'm not sure about that question mark there - have you or haven't you? :-) `options DDB' is what you need to use to compile DDB into your kernel, at which point you can invoke it at any time by hitting ctrl-alt-esc. The system will also drop into the debugger automagically on panics, which is usually the primary use of it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 18:34:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA06328 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06298 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA25720; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:02:10 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602240232.NAA25720@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:02:09 +1030 (CST) Cc: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602231727.KAA23715@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Feb 23, 96 10:27:49 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert stands accused of saying: > > > I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for > > PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a > > Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and > > how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? > > That is MIDI speed. I wonder what you are doing? 8-). MIDI is 32K. (Yes, I owned several ATARIs and hiked the MIDI UART up to 500K for networking, but it's a 6850 and not at all up to it.) > The Intel UART parts, as much as Dennis loves them, use a clock divider > and the standard frequency for the crystal makes it impossible to get > that data rate out of the serial hardware (I assume you have an Amiga > or similar current loop converter for RS232?). You get 230,400 by doubling your crystal (~3.6) and dividing for 115,200. Quatech do a dual port card (the DS-100) with an 18MHz (10x) crystal and a jumper-selectable divider (/1, /2, /5 or /10). You would want to remove the (soldered in) 16550's and use 16650's (32-byte FIFOs) and update the sio driver to support them. > My personal opinion is that the Intel parts are utter crap. Hear Hear! > Or you could get a sound card that the sound driver supports MIDI for; > see the sound driver comments/documentation for details. All of the cheap MIDI interfaces are 6850 emulations. Wonder why? > Terry Lambert Sounds like a late night there 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 20:35:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA01188 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from crash.ops.neosoft.com (root@crash.ops.NeoSoft.COM [206.109.4.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA01167 Fri, 23 Feb 1996 20:35:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by crash.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA00861; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:35:45 -0600 From: Daniel Baker Message-Id: <199602240435.WAA00861@crash.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: Specialx and terminal server To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 22:35:45 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm not sure exactly what the proper name for it it, but I have a specialx 8-port that allows me to have like 8 modems plugged into it which goes to the host card, etc... I'm trying to set this up on a terminal server.. Does anyone have any experience with these things, or any ideas on how to get something like this working? Thanks Daniel -- dbaker@neosoft.com - Daniel Baker - FTP & UseNet News Admin - Neosoft, Inc. Any opinions expressed are mine. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Feb 23 23:30:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA08308 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:30:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA08303 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 1996 23:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA23535; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 18:22:13 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 18:22:13 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602240722.SAA23535@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: rashid@rk.ios.com, se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE Subject: Re: Disk perf. with different HDs/Adapt. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >} For example >} (command is: dd if=/dev/rsd0a of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k) >} >} P166/ASUS/Aha2940(not wide,Seagate): >} 13107200 bytes transferred in 2 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) >If you report 'dd' numbers, then **please** add at least 'time' info ... >E.g.: ># time dd if=/dev/rsd0a of=/dev/null count=200 bs=64k >13107200 bytes transferred in 2 secs (6553600 bytes/sec) > 1.92 real 0.01 user 0.05 sys >... >Those 1.92 seconds make for exactly 6826667 Bytes per second ... >And the 7.43 give some 6962656 Bytes/s. >(Yes, I know, the results aren't exact to more than 2 decimals >due to the limited time resolution ...) Someone should fix dd to use the available resolution of 4-6 decimal places. I suppose the output of `time' is too standard to change. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 00:05:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA09256 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from saul2.u.washington.edu (junkins@saul2.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA09248 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by saul2.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.02/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA00774; Sat, 24 Feb 96 00:05:06 -0800 X-Sender: junkins@saul2.u.washington.edu Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 00:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: "D. Junkins" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Another ATAPI CDROM Problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been following the list (and the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc newsgroup) for quite some time now while trying to figure out how to get the NEC CDR-260 to work in my Gateway 2000/P5-60 at home. I've tried all of the suggestions I've seen for other people. The symptom is a hard lockup of the system when I try to copy data from a CD. It requires a hard reboot to bring the system back. I am able to list the directory and navigate through the CD filesystem without problems once a CD is mounted. The crash only seems to occur when reading more than 16Kbytes from the CD. I copied files of increasing size off the CD after is was mounted with the following results: File Size Result 907 bytes Copied successfully from /cdrom to /usr/home/... 4060 bytes Same 14912 bytes Same 36864 bytes Copied 16384 bytes and then locked the system I think this may point to a buffering problem on the CD read or a problem repositioning the "head" (I'm not sure if it's really a head on a CDROM) between block reads. My IDE configuration is as follows: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 814MB (1667232 sectors), 1654 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (atapi): , removable, dma, iordis wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): wd2: 515MB (1056384 sectors), 1048 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S As you can see, I've got two IDE hard drives. Each is the master device on two seperate controllers. The ATAPI CDROM is the slave device on the primary controller. I've made the wcd0c device in the /dev directory. My kernel configuration file is as follows: controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 #disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 vector wdintr disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 #disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus device wcd0 #IDE CD-ROM I've been trying to mount the cdrom with the following line in my /etc/fstab: /dev/wcd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 The same lockup occurs is I try to use cdplay to play an audio CD. I know that the ATAPI code is considered experimental but any help you can provide is appreciated. My knowledge of device driver writing is pretty limited, but if there's anything I can do to help fix this problem let me know. Also, let me know if there's any additional information that would be helpful in troubleshooting this problem. Keep up the great work... - Doug +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ | Doug Junkins | See my home page for my PGP Public Key | | Network Engineer +------------------------------------------+ | Computers & Communications | junkins@u.washington.edu | | University of Washington | http://weber.u.washington.edu/~junkins | +------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 01:20:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA11329 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11321 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA14094; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:23 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24453; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:22 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA08620; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:01:24 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602240901.KAA08620@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Whither ddb To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:01:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: kaleb@x.org (Kaleb S. KEITHLEY) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602240021.AAA00739@exalt.x.org> from "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" at Feb 23, 96 07:21:56 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > What exactly is the strategy for debugging a kernel? Read chapter 19 of the handbook. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 01:21:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA11441 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11418 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA14114; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:35 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24454; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:20:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id KAA08642; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:12:30 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602240912.KAA08642@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Multisession CD-R To: jerry@border.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:12:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, netbsd-help@NetBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <96Feb23.165402est.20482-1@janus.border.com> from "Jerry Kendall" at Feb 23, 96 04:48:21 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jerry Kendall wrote: > The exact method of getting the contents to the new hard disk is not > as important as having more than one partition on the CD... I haver > ead something about having a MultiVolume MultiSession CD.. To the best of my knowledge, FreeBSD doesn't support reading multivolume CDs yet. I've recently made one, but failed to read the second session on either FreeBSD or MS Winglows (95, FWIW). There's an urgent demand for it however, and i'm personally interested in getting this work. > I have the YAHAMA CD-EXPERT CDE100 Compact Disc Recorder... > > The OS of choice for the creation is: > > MS-Windows with Corel CD CREATER, BSDI 1.X, NetBSD 1.1, FreeBSD 2.1+ > and LAST but not least Linux. > > What software is needed if the OS is NOT MS-Windows... FreeBSD-current supports CD-Writers, it does also support them as multi-session CDs (as you could have guessed from my note above :). The only ``third-party'' software you need is team(1), a multibuffer utility. You need a fairly recent system, which comes with working WORM support, along with the utility wormcontrol(8). The code is still considered alpha to beta quality, but is known to work at least for data CDs. (I think nobody has been testing against audio CDs.) With a reasonably equipped machine, you can burn a CD-R in full multi-user operation. The bad point: your Yamaha is not yet supported, only the Plasmon RF4100 and HP 4020i. This is simply a matter that one can only support hardware where one has got access to. I estimate the amount of work to make the driver ready for the Yamaha ~ 20 hours, including the basic tests. This assumes that you've got the SCSI reference manual from them, which might be difficult (unless they've been changing their policy). You should point out to them that all their competitors make it available freely (or at little cost), for Plasmon or HP, it's available in electronic form on a BBS, or Web server, resp. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 01:46:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12640 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA12626 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA29074; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:45:52 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:45:52 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602240945.UAA29074@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You get 230,400 by doubling your crystal (~3.6) and dividing for 115,200. >Quatech do a dual port card (the DS-100) with an 18MHz (10x) crystal and >a jumper-selectable divider (/1, /2, /5 or /10). Who sells these? >> My personal opinion is that the Intel parts are utter crap. >Hear Hear! Do you prefer NS parts? :-) >> Or you could get a sound card that the sound driver supports MIDI for; >> see the sound driver comments/documentation for details. >All of the cheap MIDI interfaces are 6850 emulations. Wonder why? Cheaper crap. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 02:17:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA13859 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA13848 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA30131; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:15:33 +1100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:15:33 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241015.VAA30131@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I need a reliable data transfer rate of 230.400 bps on the serial port for >> PPP. Can that be done ? getty only has a setting for 115.200 bps. I have a >> Gigabyte 586 ATEP mainboard with FIFOs. Can I use them for 230.400 bps, and >> how ? Or should I buy a special serial card for that ? >... >Note that at the speed you suggest a 16550 UART will be generating around >15,000 interrupts per second. This will place a _serious_ load on your >system, and if you're using IDE disk, may cause you to suffer communications >problems. All wrong. - 230400 bps full speed bidirectional generates at most 23040 / 16 + 23040 / 14 = 3085 interrupts/second. - 15000 serial interrupts/second isn't a _serious_ load under FreeBSD. On a 486/33, 23040 serial interrupts/second for full speed bidirectional through a 16450 has an total (user + sys + intr) overhead overhead of about 33%. This is only a serious overhead :-). On the same system, the interrupt overhead for a slow (1.25MB/sec) IDE disk is 56% for 2500 interrupts/second, and the overhead for an 1100K/sec WD8013EBT ISA ethernet card is 21% Sys + 54% Intr for 756 interrupts/second. - IDE disks have no effect on serial communications under FreeBSD. (Bus-hogging DMA controllers may have an adverse affect if they steal too many cycles.) Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 02:23:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA14075 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:23:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA14070 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:23:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id LAA19101; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:23:03 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA19548; Sat, 24 Feb 96 11:23:02 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA07290; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:22:18 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:22:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9602241022.AA07290@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Whither ddb Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As J"org wrote: > > As Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > > > What exactly is the strategy for debugging a kernel? > > Read chapter 19 of the handbook. > I have tried to follow chapter 19 in the handbook, but I havn't got it working the way I understood it should. The handbook says: The DDB commands roughly resemble some gdb commands. The first you probably need is to set a breakpoint: b function-name b address But if I try to use the b function-name I always get the response that there is no symbol with that name (I have tried different function names). My kernel has the OPTION DDB and is configured with -d and it is not stripped. I have the same problem when I try to look at data in memory with the x command, why is this? /Mattias --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 03:16:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA17818 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:16:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA17812 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:16:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA03421; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:17:06 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA01847 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:16:05 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA13562 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:37:09 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id BAA00713; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:10:23 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199602240010.BAA00713@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: FreeBSD <---> sun 3/60 To: bjj@sequent.com (Ben Jackson) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 01:10:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, dahanaya@chaph.usc.edu, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602231004.CAA23531@eng4.sequent.com> from "Ben Jackson" at Feb 23, 96 02:04:30 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >_ > > In message <199602230912.KAA27580@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> , you wrote: > > > > > > I have a FreeBSD box running 2.1R and a sun 3/60 (diskless) serving > > > as an xterminal (running the Xkernel). When the FreeBSD box is "fresh" > > > from a boot/reboot I am able to nfs boot the sun. The Sun does not NFS boot, it uses tftp. Mounting root and swap uses NFS. > Is the FreeBSD box publishing a temp arp entry for the Sun that is expiring > after a while? > > --Ben Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 03:40:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA19002 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA18993 for hackers; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:40:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199602241140.DAA18993@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: wierd scsi error message Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm alarmed. What does this mean? I have an UltraStor 34F and sd0 is a Seagate ST15230N. Feb 24 02:24:15 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks :80,19 Feb 24 03:20:52 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks :80,19 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 03:47:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA19497 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19485 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 03:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA18009; Sat, 24 Feb 96 06:47:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id LAA01043; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:47:15 GMT Message-Id: <199602241147.LAA01043@exalt.x.org> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Whither ddb In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:16:54 EDT. <20401.825128214@time.cdrom.com> Organization: X Consortium Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:47:15 EDT From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Broadcast thanks to David Greenman, Nate Williams, Joerg Wunsch, Faried Nawaz, and Jordan. > > `man -k debug` hints at ddb. `man ddb` says it's a better replacement for > > kdb. I've built ddb support into my kernel? > > I'm not sure about that question mark there - have you or haven't you? :-) I have. > > `options DDB' is what you need to use to compile DDB into your kernel, > at which point you can invoke it at any time by hitting ctrl-alt-esc. Ah, I see. I haven't looked at the ddb man page in -stable or -current but the 2.1R ddb man page says nothing about this -- 'twould have saved some trouble if it had. > The system will also drop into the debugger automagically on panics, > which is usually the primary use of it. Except that the syscalls I've added don't cause a panic, so ctrl-alt-esc is a nice thing to know about. :-) Regards. -- Kaleb From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 04:31:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA24939 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA24931 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA26948; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:00:25 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602241230.XAA26948@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:00:25 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, terry@lambert.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de In-Reply-To: <199602240945.UAA29074@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 24, 96 08:45:52 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans stands accused of saying: > > >You get 230,400 by doubling your crystal (~3.6) and dividing for 115,200. > >Quatech do a dual port card (the DS-100) with an 18MHz (10x) crystal and > >a jumper-selectable divider (/1, /2, /5 or /10). > > Who sells these? Quatech 8) We buy them from Interworld; if you can't track them down, I can give you more details. (Note that we've had a really bad run with these cards in fast machines; there's a trace to cut that helps in some systems, but others still lose. The symptoms seem to imply a timing problem 8( ) > >> My personal opinion is that the Intel parts are utter crap. > > >Hear Hear! > > Do you prefer NS parts? :-) Is this a loaded question? Bus overhead or not, I'd prefer to use ESCC's. > >All of the cheap MIDI interfaces are 6850 emulations. Wonder why? > > Cheaper crap. One possibility. The other is that most other MIDI interfaces (keyboards, Atari's) are 6850's as well. I sniff a crummier motive 8) > Bruce -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 04:39:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25615 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA25594 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA26973; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:08:03 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602241238.XAA26973@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:08:02 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602241015.VAA30131@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 24, 96 09:15:33 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans stands accused of saying: > All wrong. > > - 230400 bps full speed bidirectional generates at most 23040 / 16 + > 23040 / 14 = 3085 interrupts/second. bps/Bps. Argh 8( I plead sheer stupidity, with lack of breakfast as a mitigating circumstance 8( > - IDE disks have no effect on serial communications under FreeBSD. > (Bus-hogging DMA controllers may have an adverse affect if they steal > too many cycles.) Hmm, that means splbio() is lower than spltty(), correct? That's a genuine misunderstanding on my part. (Assumption that PIO to/from disk would occur at splbio, also wrong?) > Bruce I should go back to bed. 8( -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 04:49:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA26614 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA26609 Sat, 24 Feb 1996 04:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA27000; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:18:54 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602241248.XAA27000@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: wierd scsi error message To: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 23:18:54 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602241140.DAA18993@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Feb 24, 96 03:40:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jeffrey Hsu stands accused of saying: > > I'm alarmed. What does this mean? I have an UltraStor 34F and sd0 is > a Seagate ST15230N. > > Feb 24 02:24:15 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE > info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks > :80,19 > Feb 24 03:20:52 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE > info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks > :80,19 It means the Seagate is very unhappy. Some things to do : Follow the example in the scsi(8) manpage to set the AWRE and ARRE attributes on the disk (if they aren't already). Because this is a write operation, you should get a reallocation (assuming it's a bad sector). Ring Seagate tech support and ask them about the numbers. Info is obvious, 'asc' is the Additional Sense code, the drive is reporting FRU 11 as faulty, and I'm not sure what the 'sks' value is. FWIW, I was getting FRU 11 errors on an ST11200N (with AWRE and ARRE enabled) and managed to cure them with a low-level format. YMMV, in particular FRU 11 on the 11200 may not match FRU 11 on the 15230. You're getting a 'deferred error' because the drive has delayed the write operation as an internal optomisation, and has only just discovered that it can't actually write it out. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 05:20:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA29263 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA29257 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id OAA17845 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:33 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA25800 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA09238 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:23 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241320.OAA09238@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Whither ddb To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:23 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9602241022.AA07290@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> from "Mattias Gronlund" at Feb 24, 96 11:22:18 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Mattias Gronlund wrote: > But if I try to use the b function-name I always get the response that > there is no symbol with that name (I have tried different function names). > My kernel has the OPTION DDB and is configured with -d and it is not > stripped. No idea. It works for me. The following is the log after booting with ``-hd'': Booting wd(0,a)/kernel @ 0x100000 text=0x85000 data=0xb000 bss=0xbf0c symbols=[+0xf4+0x4+0xa794+0x4+0xabac] total=0x1b1348 entry point=0x100000 [ preserving 0x15348 bytes of kernel symbol table ] Debugger("Boot flags requested debugger") *** this is where the -d option causes to break early into DDB *** Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.110 db> b ttyopen *** apparently, the function name is found *** db> c Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD test-stable #3: Sat Feb 24 14:11:51 MET 1996 root@jette.heep.sax.de:/usr/src/sys/compile/DDB CPU: i386DX (386-class CPU) real memory = 5636096 (5504K bytes) avail memory = 4259840 (4160K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: ed0 not found at 0x300 vt0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard vt0: generic, 80 col, color, 4 scr, mf2-kbd, [R3.20-b24] sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16450 sio1 not found at 0x2f8 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 765 fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 240MB (491520 sectors), 1024 cyls, 16 heads, 30 S/T, 512 B/S npx0 at 0xf0-0xff irq 13 on motherboard Breakpoint at _ttyopen: pushl %ebp *** the breakpoint has been reached, delete it now *** db> del ttyopen db> x curproc _curproc: f042a200 db> c swapon: adding /dev/wd0s1b as swap device Automatic reboot in progress... /dev/rwd0a: clean, 8593 free (29 frags, 2141 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation) /dev/rwd0s1e: clean, 31237 free (237 frags, 7750 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation) lo0: flags=8009 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 Debugger("serial console break") Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.110 db> x curproc _curproc: f0434200 db> c clearing /tmp recording kernel -c changes starting system daemons: syslogd. starting network daemons: named portmap inetd. load: 0.76 cmd: dev_mkdb 76 [biowait] 0.16u 0.16s 0% 420k standard daemons: cron printer sendmail. setting ldconfig path: /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/local/lib Debugger(" Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0102ce5 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 93 (ldconfig) interrupt mask = kernel: type 9 trap, code=0 Stopped at _db_printf_guts+0x335: repne scasb (%esi) *** arrgh. what you see here looks like a kernel bug :-(( *** Does anybody know offhand why dp_printf_guts() might cause a general protection fault? (#GP -- sounds like winglows, eh! :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 05:20:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA29289 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA29266 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id OAA17840 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:31 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA25798 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:20:31 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA09214 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:13:18 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241313.OAA09214@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Whither ddb To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:13:18 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602241147.LAA01043@exalt.x.org> from "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" at Feb 24, 96 06:47:15 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Kaleb S. KEITHLEY wrote: > > The system will also drop into the debugger automagically on panics, > > which is usually the primary use of it. > > Except that the syscalls I've added don't cause a panic, so ctrl-alt-esc > is a nice thing to know about. :-) Well, i assume you're running X11 sometimes. :) In this case, a serial console might also come handy to you. So you can hook up another machine with kermit as the console. If you also add options BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER (and recompile sio.c), you can issue a serial line BREAK (^\-b in kermit) instead of Ctrl-Alt-ESC. To temporarily switch to a serial console, enter -h at the boot prompt. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 05:22:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA29421 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:22:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA29410 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA04558; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:19:29 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 00:19:29 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241319.AAA04558@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Whither ddb Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >The handbook says: > The DDB commands roughly resemble some gdb commands. The first you > probably need is to set a breakpoint: > > b function-name > b address >But if I try to use the b function-name I always get the response that >there is no symbol with that name (I have tried different function names). >My kernel has the OPTION DDB and is configured with -d and it is not >stripped. Perhaps you have a very old boot loader that doesn't load symbol tables. You can tell if you have symbols by looking at the disassembly of the current instruction. For entry via Ctrl-PrintScreen it should look something like: Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.100 db> ddb doesn't understand names with `.' in them like the one above. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 05:38:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA00853 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA00838 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id OAA29038; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:37:56 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA24813; Sat, 24 Feb 96 14:37:55 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA07866; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:37:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:37:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9602241337.AA07866@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> To: bde@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: Whither ddb Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Perhaps you have a very old boot loader that doesn't load symbol tables. > > You can tell if you have symbols by looking at the disassembly of the > current instruction. For entry via Ctrl-PrintScreen it should look > something like: > > Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.100 > db> > > ddb doesn't understand names with `.' in them like the one above. So that's why, I guess there isn't so many members in the coreteam that runs netbooted. So I just have to se how to get netboot to read the symboltable :-)... /Mattias From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 05:51:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA02413 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA02402 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 05:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id OAA18258; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:50:32 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id OAA25974; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:50:31 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA09306; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:31:11 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241331.OAA09306@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: wierd scsi error message To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:31:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org (Jeffrey Hsu) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602241140.DAA18993@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Feb 24, 96 03:40:09 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > I'm alarmed. What does this mean? I have an UltraStor 34F and sd0 is > a Seagate ST15230N. > Feb 24 02:24:15 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE > info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks:80,19 A hardware failure just. Perhaps you should enable bad sector remapping. Run scsi -f /dev/rsd0.ctl -e -m 1 and edit the first couple of lines. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:07:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA04152 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:07:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA04103 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA06181; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:03:35 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:03:35 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241403.BAA06181@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> - IDE disks have no effect on serial communications under FreeBSD. >> (Bus-hogging DMA controllers may have an adverse affect if they steal >> too many cycles.) >Hmm, that means splbio() is lower than spltty(), correct? That's a >genuine misunderstanding on my part. They're independent, but this isn't very relevant. spltty() only blocks tty software interrupts. I forgot that IDE disks can interfere with serial communications if they prevent the tty software interrupt handlers from running for more than about 20 msec - the low level buffer space runs out. If this happens then you may have more things to worry about - timeout routines would also be delayed for 20 msec, and it is a short step from there to the system spending all its time in the kernel. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:09:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA04536 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:09:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA04514 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fakir.india.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA121960935; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:09:01 -0800 Received: from localhost by fakir.india.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA023091230; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:43:50 +0530 Message-Id: <199602241413.AA023091230@fakir.india.hp.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISA device irq/mem auto-configuration In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:04:00 MST." <199602221804.LAA21281@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:43:49 +0530 From: A JOSEPH KOSHY Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> tl == Terry Lambert said: tl> If you could actually tell what it was configured for... tl> Only "how do you know the board is at IRQ 11 when the probe code tl> has to assume the interrupt for the probe to work?". 8-). Not a problem on some boards: you can read h/w configuration registers to figure out the IRQ that it has been configured to use. Now, this can only be done if one is reasonably confident that the particular kind of card is actually present so its best done /after/ a non-invasive probe! tl> I think this falls into the category of space assignment. tl> It's probably not possible to safely relocate the board ... Well, the question was if it was possible to update the kernel internal data structures to suit the hardware configuration (not vice-versa). The answers I got from the list seemed to indicate that it was ok to do so. Following the probe, the kernel apparently does a conflict resolution pass after all the drivers have been probed. So this is what I plan to do: (a) compile in wild-card defaults for IRQ, Mem address etc (b) at probe time if these are wildcarded use the hardware info, else print out an informative message about the mismatch but leave the driver disabled. This allows the user to explicitly specify driver settings using boot -c and have the boot process honor them. Koshy From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:20:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA05813 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA05796 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA18784 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:20:25 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA26095 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:20:25 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA09601 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:59:05 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241359.OAA09601@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Whither ddb To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:59:05 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602241319.AAA04558@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Feb 25, 96 00:19:29 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.100 > db> > > ddb doesn't understand names with `.' in them like the one above. What is this number for? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:20:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA05831 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA05795 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id PAA18779 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:20:24 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA26094 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:20:24 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.3/8.6.9) id OAA09582 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:57:14 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199602241357.OAA09582@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: wierd scsi error message To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:57:14 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199602241248.XAA27000@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 24, 96 11:18:54 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > FWIW, I was getting FRU 11 errors on an ST11200N (with AWRE and ARRE enabled) > and managed to cure them with a low-level format. I've once got an increasing number of hardware failures on an ST-3655N. Reformatting did also cure the problem there, it didn't re-appear since. It seems that Seagate is to the very least not cheating about their drives. FORMAT does still mean FORMAT to them. Btw., there's a scsiformat(8) in -current, in case you haven't noticed yet. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:21:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA05942 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA05937 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA06635; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:17:03 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:17:03 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241417.BAA06635@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se, bde@zeta.org.au Subject: Re: Whither ddb Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> Perhaps you have a very old boot loader that doesn't load symbol tables. >So that's why, I guess there isn't so many members in the coreteam >that runs netbooted. So I just have to se how to get netboot to >read the symboltable :-)... It just needs to load the symbols at the end of the bss and set some pointers. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 06:51:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA08344 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA08334 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 06:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA07462; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:46:47 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 01:46:47 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241446.BAA07462@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Whither ddb Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Debugger("serial console break") >Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.110 >db> x curproc >_curproc: f0434200 >db> c >clearing /tmp >recording kernel -c changes >starting system daemons: syslogd. >starting network daemons: named portmap inetd. >load: 0.76 cmd: dev_mkdb 76 [biowait] 0.16u 0.16s 0% 420k >standard daemons: cron printer sendmail. >setting ldconfig path: /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/local/lib >Debugger(" >Fatal trap 9: general protection fault while in kernel mode >instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0102ce5 >code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 >processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 >current process = 93 (ldconfig) >interrupt mask = >kernel: type 9 trap, code=0 >Stopped at _db_printf_guts+0x335: repne scasb (%esi) >*** arrgh. what you see here looks like a kernel bug :-(( *** >Does anybody know offhand why dp_printf_guts() might cause a general >protection fault? (#GP -- sounds like winglows, eh! :) Probably a bad pointer. Entering ddb with the serial console break is apparently unsafe. ddb needs to run with interrupts disabled since its caller needs them disabled , but this isn't guaranteed. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 07:10:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA09549 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from interkom.magnum.lodz.pl (interkom.magnum.lodz.pl [193.59.102.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09528 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from interkom.magnum.lodz.pl by interkom.magnum.lodz.pl id aa06089; 24 Feb 96 15:56 MEZ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:56:44 +0100 (MEZ) From: Piotr Sroczynski To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with /etc directory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am running FreeBSD 2.1R on 2 boxes. My hardware is: UMC486SX/40, ISA-IDE, ET Synhronus Interface, WD HDD (340MB or 1GB), Ethernet (SMC or 3COM). Distributions selected via novice menu option are: Kern-Developer and Developer. 1. I found that about 30 hours after restart the /etc directory is not visible on above systems. Bellow I include /var/log/messages and /sys/i386/conf/ET files. 2. When I enter reboot, the screen shows: >syncing disks ... 3 3 1 done >Rebooting ... >Keyboard reset did not work attempting CPU shutdown and I must press any key to go on. Have you got any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Piotr Sroczynski ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 12 17:09:54 MET 1996 Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: root@rigel.m1.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ET Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: Origin = "UMC UMC UMC " Id = 0x423 Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: real memory = 8388608 (8192K bytes) Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: avail memory = 6533120 (6380K bytes) Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 maddr 0xd8000 msize 8192 on isa Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: ed0: address 00:00:c0:99:a5:a8, type SMC8416C/SMC 8416BT (16 bit) Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: eth0 at 0x240 irq 15 maddr 0xd0000 on isa Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: sio0: type 16450 Feb 12 18:24:50 rigel /kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: sio1: type 16450 Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: fdc0: NEC 765 Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: wd0: 1033MB (2116800 sectors), 2100 cyls, 16 head s, 63 S/T, 512 B/S Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: ep0 not found at 0x300 Feb 12 18:24:51 rigel /kernel: npx0 on motherboard Feb 12 18:24:52 rigel /kernel: npx0: 387 emulator Feb 12 18:24:56 rigel lpd[117]: restarted Feb 12 18:26:29 rigel login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Feb 12 18:26:29 rigel login: login on ttyv0 as root Feb 13 09:42:50 rigel login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv2 Feb 13 09:42:50 rigel login: login on ttyv2 as root Feb 13 10:45:20 rigel login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Feb 13 10:45:20 rigel login: login on ttyv0 as root Feb 13 10:46:49 rigel login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Feb 13 10:46:49 rigel login: login on ttyv0 as root Feb 13 16:09:47 rigel login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Feb 13 16:09:47 rigel login: login on ttyv0 as root Feb 14 02:33:31 rigel inetd[1828]: /etc/spwd.db: No such file or directory Feb 14 02:33:31 rigel inetd[1828]: shell/tcp: root: No such user Feb 14 02:37:23 rigel inetd[1829]: /etc/spwd.db: No such file or directory Feb 14 02:37:23 rigel inetd[1829]: shell/tcp: root: No such user Feb 14 02:39:49 rigel inetd[1830]: /etc/spwd.db: No such file or directory Feb 14 02:39:49 rigel inetd[1830]: shell/tcp: root: No such user Feb 14 06:19:03 rigel inetd[1838]: /etc/spwd.db: No such file or directory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- machine "i386" cpu "I486_CPU" ident RIGEL maxusers 10 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options GATEWAY #Internet Gateway options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options ET_CISCO_HDLC #Cisco compatible serial encapsulation options DDB options QUOTA options IPACCT options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG config kernel root on wd0 controller isa0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 vector wdintr disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 vector epintr pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log pseudo-device sl 1 pseudo-device tun 8 pseudo-device pty 16 pseudo-device vn pseudo-device speaker pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's device eth0 at isa ? port 0x240 net irq 15 iomem 0xd0000 vector ethintr ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 07:51:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA12859 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12836 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 07:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA09204; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:48:16 +1100 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 02:48:16 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199602241548.CAA09204@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Whither ddb Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Stopped at _Debugger+0x2b: movb $0,_in_Debugger.100 >> db> >> >> ddb doesn't understand names with `.' in them like the one above. >What is this number for? It's to distinguish the static variable `in_Debugger' which is only in scope in Debugger() from other variables with the same name. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 10:15:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA01169 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:15:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01164 Sat, 24 Feb 1996 10:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA04287; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:15:42 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA11601 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:15:15 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA26856 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 24 Feb 1996 19:11:38 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA05802; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:51:07 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199602241051.LAA05802@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Specialx and terminal server To: dbaker@crash.ops.neosoft.com (Daniel Baker) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:51:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199602240435.WAA00861@crash.ops.neosoft.com> from "Daniel Baker" at Feb 23, 96 10:35:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm not sure exactly what the proper name for it it, but I have > a specialx 8-port that allows me to have like 8 modems plugged into Sounds like a Specialix SI-host. Allows to daisy chain up to 4 of the 8 port boxes. Uses the si (not sio!) driver. Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 11:00:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA05280 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05273 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:00:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA27768; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:54:05 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602241854.LAA27768@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: 230.400 bps on serial port To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:54:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199602240232.NAA25720@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Feb 24, 96 01:02:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > That is MIDI speed. I wonder what you are doing? 8-). > > MIDI is 32K. (Yes, I owned several ATARIs and hiked the MIDI UART up to > 500K for networking, but it's a 6850 and not at all up to it.) You need to read my followup to myself... I recanted. BTW: One of the guys on these lists, who I happened to go to college with, and then who happened to work for a former employer of mine, was one of the original Atari "MIDI-net" people: Wes Peters. Just a semi-related musing. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 11:08:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA05789 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05783 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA27791; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:02:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602241902.MAA27791@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Multisession CD-R To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:02:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: jerry@border.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-help@NetBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM In-Reply-To: <199602240912.KAA08642@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Feb 24, 96 10:12:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > The exact method of getting the contents to the new hard disk is not > > as important as having more than one partition on the CD... I haver > > ead something about having a MultiVolume MultiSession CD.. > > To the best of my knowledge, FreeBSD doesn't support reading > multivolume CDs yet. I've recently made one, but failed to read the > second session on either FreeBSD or MS Winglows (95, FWIW). > > There's an urgent demand for it however, and i'm personally interested > in getting this work. One of the Japanese engineers on the list posted about getting this to work about a year ago. If I remember correctly, he also read audio format CD's as data, so you could eliminate the DAAD conversion. The full multisession spec, including their Unicode extensions, is available on the Microsoft Windows95 DDK CD. From what I remember, multiple sessions are *required* for Unicode encoding. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 11:43:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA08891 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08886 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id LAA09471; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:42:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199602241942.LAA09471@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Multisession CD-R To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 11:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, jerry@border.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-help@NetBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM In-Reply-To: <199602241902.MAA27791@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Feb 24, 96 12:02:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > To the best of my knowledge, FreeBSD doesn't support reading > > multivolume CDs yet. I've recently made one, but failed to read the > > second session on either FreeBSD or MS Winglows (95, FWIW). > > > > There's an urgent demand for it however, and i'm personally interested > > in getting this work. When I wrote the cdrom driver I thought about reading the first few entries in the TOC and trying to map them into the pretend disklabel that I fabricate.. it wouldn't be hard, except that there are only 8 entries in the disklabel. > > One of the Japanese engineers on the list posted about getting this > to work about a year ago. > > If I remember correctly, he also read audio format CD's as data, so > you could eliminate the DAAD conversion. > > The full multisession spec, including their Unicode extensions, is > available on the Microsoft Windows95 DDK CD. From what I remember, > multiple sessions are *required* for Unicode encoding. Better of course to NOT use a uSoft version because they keep extending hte specs this way or that without always making it obvious that it's an extension. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 12:06:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA11559 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11553 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA27912; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:00:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199602242000.NAA27912@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Multisession CD-R To: julian@ref.tfs.com (JULIAN Elischer) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:00:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, jerry@border.com, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-help@NetBSD.ORG, bsdi-users@BSDI.COM In-Reply-To: <199602241942.LAA09471@ref.tfs.com> from "JULIAN Elischer" at Feb 24, 96 11:42:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > One of the Japanese engineers on the list posted about getting this > > to work about a year ago. > > > > If I remember correctly, he also read audio format CD's as data, so > > you could eliminate the DAAD conversion. > > > > The full multisession spec, including their Unicode extensions, is > > available on the Microsoft Windows95 DDK CD. From what I remember, > > multiple sessions are *required* for Unicode encoding. > > Better of course to NOT use a uSoft version > because they keep extending hte specs this way or that > without always making it obvious that it's an extension. In this case it was clearly labelled. The file DDK\DOCS\JOLIET.DOC is labelled: =========================================================================== Extending ISO 9660 to Handle UNICODE Rick DeWitt Allrosoft Corporationon =========================================================================== Table of contents include: =========================================================================== 3. Terminology and Notation 3.1 Decimal and Hexadecimal Notation 4. Joliet Recording Specification 4.2 Identifying an ISO 9660 SVD as Unicode (UCS-2) 4.2.1 SVD Escape Sequences Field 4.2.2 SVD Volume Flags Field 4.3 Resolution of ISO 9660 Ambiguities for Wide Characters 4.3.1 Wide Character Byte Ordering 4.3.2 Allowed Character Set 4.3.3 Special Directory Identifiers 4.3.4 Separator Characters 4.3.6 Relaxation of ISO 9660 Restrictions on UCS-2 Volumes 4.4 Extensions to Joliet 4.4.1 Joliet for Multisession Media 4.4.2 CD-XA Extensions to Joliet 4.4.3 Other Extensions to Joliet =========================================================================== A small excerpt: =========================================================================== The Joliet specification utilizes the supplementary volume descriptor (SVD) feature of ISO 9660 to specify a set of files recorded within the Unicode character set. The ISO 10646 character set specification may be identified by an ISO 2022 escape sequence. By recording this escape sequence in an ISO 9660 SVD, this technique for identifying the Unicode SVD is compliant with the ISO 9660 specification. It also retains interchange by not disrupting the files referenced through the primary volume descriptor (PVD). All that remains is to resolve minor technical ambiguities within ISO 9660 which arise as the result of the use of wide characters. =========================================================================== I think at least their CDROM guys know what they are doing.... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 13:57:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21259 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:57:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com (freebsd.netcom.com [198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21248 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:57:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id QAA06855; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:01:09 -0600 From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Message-Id: <199602242201.QAA06855@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: re: processes won't die To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:01:09 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Philippe (and anyone with the stuck process problem) Can you reconfigure your system so that it does not use swap space on the scsi drive? I noted in your configuration that you had some ide drives with swap space on them. If you need an additional swap file on the ide drive to handle the load you can do it with vfs. It would be helpful to me if you could operate for awhile without scsi drive swap space and see if the "hung ps" etc problem goes away. Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 14:24:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23596 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23587 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 14:24:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26036; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:27:15 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:27:15 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602242227.PAA26036@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: re: processes won't die In-Reply-To: <199602242201.QAA06855@freebsd.netcom.com> References: <199602242201.QAA06855@freebsd.netcom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Can you reconfigure your system so that it does not use swap space on the > scsi drive? I noted in your configuration that you had some ide drives > with swap space on them. If you need an additional swap file on the ide > drive to handle the load you can do it with vfs. > > It would be helpful to me if you could operate for awhile without scsi > drive swap space and see if the "hung ps" etc problem goes away. Does this problem exist w/current or stable? I'm running a 2.1R box with swap on both under sometimes heavy loads with no problems. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 15:00:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25658 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25652 for hackers; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199602242300.PAA25652@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: Re: wierd scsi error message Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Okay, now that I know what the message means, the $24,000 question is how do I identify the file for which this write failed? Feb 24 02:24:15 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks:80,19 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 15:47:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27825 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:47:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebsd.netcom.com (freebsd.netcom.com [198.211.79.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27819 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 15:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by freebsd.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id RAA07014; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:51:36 -0600 From: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Message-Id: <199602242351.RAA07014@freebsd.netcom.com> Subject: re: processes won't die (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:51:35 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I wrote: > > Can you reconfigure your system so that it does not use swap space on the > > scsi drive? I noted in your configuration that you had some ide drives > > with swap space on them. If you need an additional swap file on the ide > > drive to handle the load you can do it with vfs. > > > > It would be helpful to me if you could operate for awhile without scsi > > drive swap space and see if the "hung ps" etc problem goes away. > > From: Nate Williams > > Does this problem exist w/current or stable? I'm running a 2.1R box > with swap on both under sometimes heavy loads with no problems. > I see the problem under both current and stable. I'm starting to suspect that there is a weird swap disk i/o transaction that is screwing up in the scsi subsystem, and that the same kind of transaction doesn't happen in the ufs world. What are your scsi drives and what is your controller? How much swap space do you have on your system and how much memory do you have? Regards, Mark Hittinger Netcom/Dallas bugs@freebsd.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 16:16:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA28879 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28848 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA26271; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:18:43 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 17:18:43 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199602250018.RAA26271@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: bugs@freebsd.netcom.com (Mark Hittinger) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: re: processes won't die (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199602242351.RAA07014@freebsd.netcom.com> References: <199602242351.RAA07014@freebsd.netcom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ Swapping on IDE and SCSI causes problems ] > > Does this problem exist w/current or stable? I'm running a 2.1R box > > with swap on both under sometimes heavy loads with no problems. > > I see the problem under both current and stable. I'm starting to suspect > that there is a weird swap disk i/o transaction that is screwing up in the > scsi subsystem, and that the same kind of transaction doesn't happen in > the ufs world. > > What are your scsi drives and what is your controller? How much swap space > do you have on your system and how much memory do you have? Let me go look. FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #3: Mon Jan 8 17:47:44 MST 1996 root@moth.sri.MT.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/SNDMOTH CPU: 99-MHz Pentium 735\\90 or 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 31059968 (30332K bytes) Probing for devices on the PCI bus: chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 ... ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 (ncr0:0:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6220" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 ... wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 1033MB (2116800 sectors), 2100 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S [ The above disk is a 1Gig WD Cavier drive. (Don't ask, I didn't buy it) ] moth:/home/nate % swapinfo Device 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Type /dev/sd0s2b 65536 0 65472 0% Interleaved /dev/wd0s3b 49152 0 49088 0% Interleaved Total 114560 0 114560 0% This machine boots off both the SCSI disk or the IDE disk (SCSI == 2.1R and IDE == old current ] Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 16:30:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29260 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29252 Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:30:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199602250030.QAA29252@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: mail routing and duplicates To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:30:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602232310.QAA23525@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 23, 96 04:10:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > > > Maybe it is time to look at "qmail" ? It is a sendmail replacement made by > > D.J. Bernstein whichi claim to more secure (by using smaller non-root > > programs) and faster (by parallelizing more and -- I think -- using > > pre-fork à la httpd). archie at rutgers.edu did not fnd qmail for me, unless you mean qmailtlx.arc ??? nah.... > > I doubt anything can help too much. Basically, freefall is pushing a > *LOT* of mail. More parallelizing is simply adding more load, unless > the programs are smaller. Basically, freefall is spending all it's time > pushing bits and isn't as useful for development. However, most of the > developers only commit on freefall, so it's used less and less for > actual compiles so it's becoming less of an issue of freefall's load and > more of an issue of WC network link. Freefall moves a lot of mail as of Fri Feb 23 16:34:01 PST 1996 Statistics from Sat Feb 10 04:13:55 1996 M msgsfr bytes_from msgsto bytes_to Mailer 0 0 0K 12950 28404K prog 1 0 0K 3647 8691K *file* 3 47246 165175K 32781 72600K local 6 12099 39706K 1859747 3875253K smtp8 7 3 4K 54 123K relay ======================================== T 59348 204885K 1909179 3985071K that's 3.3 kB/s thru the smtp8 mailer average over nearly two weeks now mail flow is not uniformly distributed over the day, but rather has peaks and slack time. dats a WOT ah mail! From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Feb 24 16:47:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA29997 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29991 Sat, 24 Feb 1996 16:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA28298; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:16:49 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199602250046.LAA28298@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: wierd scsi error message To: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org (Jeffrey Hsu) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 11:16:49 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602242300.PAA25652@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Jeffrey Hsu" at Feb 24, 96 03:00:17 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Jeffrey Hsu stands accused of saying: > > Okay, now that I know what the message means, the $24,000 question is how > do I identify the file for which this write failed? > > Feb 24 02:24:15 armour /kernel: sd0(uha0:0:0): Deferred Error: HARDWARE FAILURE > info:327900 asc:3,0 Peripheral device write fault field replaceable unit: 11 sks:80,19 The general procedure looks like this : - obtain the SCSI-2 spec. (gatekeeper.dec.com has a copy somewhere) - Find out what the 'deferred error' message looks like - look at, and maybe modify the code to emit the block number (if one is part of the message) - use some magic tool (fsdb?) to identify which file inhabits that block. I'm not sure how many of these steps could be short-circuited by someone more familiar with the SCSI spec than me. I'm assuming that you set AWRE and ARRE to 1 using scsi(8) already, and the error message is still appearing? -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[