From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 21 11:12:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00135 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vinyl.quickweb.com (vinyl.quickweb.com [206.222.77.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00129 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chrisc@localhost) by vinyl.quickweb.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA25154 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Install Tutorial. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I put up an install tutorial on my webserver, I would like to get a link from the handbook to it. It is at: http://vinyl.quickweb.com/~chrisc/book/install.html I would like it to be in the tutorial section. Who do I talk to about getting this on there? TIA --Chris From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 21 14:02:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11318 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.allinfosys.com (ns1.allinfosys.com [207.55.155.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11308 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:02:33 -0700 (PDT) From: hrsuccess@interjection.com Received: from interjection.com ([206.154.184.123]) by ns1.allinfosys.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11221) with SMTP id AAA175; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:58:07 -0500 To: hrsuccess@interjection.com Subject: The Organization's Future Structure Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:58:07 -0500 Message-ID: <19970721205738781.AAA175@interjection.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Finally an organization charting package that snaps on to SQL Databases like Peoplesoft or SAP through ODBC, or ExecuTRACK for Windows !!!! 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Thank You, Wyatt Petersen IMS, Inc. http://www.hrsuccess.com From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 21 15:21:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15891 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milehigh.denver.net (milehigh.denver.net [204.144.180.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15860 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip25.denver.net (slip25.denver.net [204.144.180.153]) by milehigh.denver.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26149 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707212223.QAA26149@milehigh.denver.net> X-Sender: gda5@milehigh.denver.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: lyn@gda-pr.com (Lyn Wazny) Subject: foreign publications Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am with a PR agency in Boulder, Colorado which represents Xi Graphics, based in Denver. As you know since their software runs on FreeBSD and Linux. I am working on finding out more about foreign press opportunities and came across your Web site with pubs listed in Japan and Korea. The covers were shown, but no other info as far as contact was listed. Could you give me any leads on how to get contact info there, as well as other countries? Do you know of Unix/NT magazine in the UK? Thanks for taking the time and letting me know of any leads you may have. Would you like to be on my media database for Xi Graphics? I can be e-mailed or our phone # is (303) 447-1190. Best regards, Lyn Wazny lyn@gda-pr.com From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 21 15:47:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17571 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milehigh.denver.net (milehigh.denver.net [204.144.180.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17548 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip6.denver.net (slip6.denver.net [204.144.180.134]) by milehigh.denver.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26695 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:50:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199707212250.QAA26695@milehigh.denver.net> X-Sender: gda5@milehigh.denver.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: lyn@gda-pr.com (Lyn Wazny) Subject: foreign publications Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I am with a PR agency in Boulder, Colorado which represents Xi Graphics, based in Denver. As you know since their software runs on FreeBSD and Linux. I am working on finding out more about foreign press opportunities and came across your Web site with pubs listed in Japan and Korea. The covers were shown, but no other info as far as contact was listed. Could you give me any leads on how to get contact info there, as well as other countries? Do you know of Unix/NT magazine in the UK? Thanks for taking the time and letting me know of any leads you may have. Would you like to be on my media database for Xi Graphics? I can be e-mailed or our phone # is (303) 447-1190. Best regards, Lyn Wazny lyn@gda-pr.com From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jul 21 17:32:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22772 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de [130.83.63.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22759 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panke.panke.de (anonymous216.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.216]) by bsd.fs.bauing.th-darmstadt.de (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA10374; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 02:32:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by panke.panke.de (8.8.5/8.6.12) id CAA08163; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 02:32:29 +0200 (MET DST) To: lyn@gda-pr.com (Lyn Wazny) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: foreign publications References: <199707212223.QAA26149@milehigh.denver.net> From: Wolfram Schneider Date: 22 Jul 1997 02:32:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: lyn@gda-pr.com's message of Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: Lines: 13 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk lyn@gda-pr.com (Lyn Wazny) writes: > I am working on finding out more about foreign press opportunities and came > across your Web site with pubs listed in Japan and Korea. The covers were > shown, but no other info as far as contact was listed. Could you give me any > leads on how to get contact info there, as well as other countries? For Germany http://www.heise.de/ct/ and http://www.heise.de/ix/ -- Wolfram Schneider http://www.apfel.de/~wosch/ From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 22 08:43:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05435 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kevin.sunshine.net (pme86.sunshine.net [204.191.205.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05428; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (cagey@localhost) by kevin.sunshine.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA02365; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:42:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: kevin.sunshine.net: cagey owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 08:42:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Kevin Eliuk X-Sender: cagey@kevin.sunshine.net To: learners@FreeBSD.org, "FreeBSD Doc." Subject: Learn Program Available for Distribution Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, With the joined efforts of Joerg Wunsch, Annelise Anderson, Marty Leisner, and myself, Brian Kernighan has given the approval to include into distribution a Learn program witten by him and Michael Lesk. This program is circa 1979, therefore needing a lot of work to get it up to present in terms of content as well as making it work effectively into FreeBSD. "Kernighan's purpose in creating the program was, ac- cording to those files, to provide direct interaction with the unix system. From the little I've used it, "learn" seems to be a systematic and orderly way to learn unix basics from a user point of view, and it might be worthwhile to provide such a utility." Annelise Anderson Help is needed! The current src of 'learn' is available via CVSup. Just put learn-all release=cvs in your supfile, if you are interested in using it in it's cur- rent form and/or would like to contribute to it's Lessons. A README in the learn directory as well as learn.ms will give you an overview of the program. Any questions can be sent to "learners@FreeBSD.org". -- =| Regards, =| FreeBSD ==> http://www.FreeBSD.org =| Kevin G. Eliuk =| "Free at last, free at last, ...." British Columbia *BSD User Directory ==> http://www.cynic.net From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jul 22 22:59:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA26465 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.kspress.com (hercules.kspress.com [204.233.167.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26460 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 22:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IS~PGRAPHX (204.233.167.126) by mailhost.kspress.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 23 Jul 1997 01:01:47 -0600 Received: by IS~PGRAPHX with Microsoft Mail id <01BC9703.0FC3FD90@IS~PGRAPHX>; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:55:06 -0500 Message-ID: <01BC9703.0FC3FD90@IS~PGRAPHX> From: "Jeffrey S. Patton" To: "'freebsd-doc@freebsd.org'" Subject: problems installing over internet Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 00:30:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id WAA26461 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I searched through the faq and handbook but found no help I have a 486 Zenith Laptop 12mb ram and 200mb hard drive. I am able to follow the menus just fine up until I get to the actual installation point. I enter all the addresses that I know then hit enter then it says hold down alt and f3 or something like that to switch to the ppp dialer, then type term... Well, what do I do after that I have tried atdt{isp's phone number} but nothing happens, I feel that there is something that I am lacking (perhaps a brain??) I am not sure if bsd knows that I have a modem, I think it detected the com port but beyond that it never asked for a modem. What exactly do I do. Any help would be greatly appreciate thank you very much. Jeff Patton "You know much that is hidden, oh Tim." "Quite" Monty Python - Quest for the Holy Grail From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 06:08:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA15649 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 06:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hummer.intergate.bc.ca (root@[207.34.179.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15617 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bongo.intergate.bc.ca (pm9s10.intergate.bc.ca [205.206.194.115]) by hummer.intergate.bc.ca (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA25484 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 06:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707231302.GAA25484@hummer.intergate.bc.ca> Reply-To: From: "Brian" To: Subject: ASCII? Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 06:07:08 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I have succeeded in downloading both the FreeBSD Handbook and FAQ is ascii format. My question is exactly what flavour of ascii are we talking about? The downloaded versions I have are loaded with obscure formatting information that refusese to be decoded by the many editors I have. example: Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation and day to day use of FFrreeeeBBSSDD RReelleeaassee 22..22..22. This manual is a wwoorrkk iinn pprrooggrreessss and is the work of many individuals. You see what I mean? I would really love to format, print and read this document but I am unable to decipher the code. Any help will be appreciated. Regards, Brian. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 07:29:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA20376 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from u2.bbrown.com (U2.BBROWN.COM [192.30.147.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20371 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.30.147.253] by u2.bbrown.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA26640; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:26:10 -0700 Message-Id: <33D5B2B2.2EB4@burr-brown.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:28:50 +0000 From: Bob Pekarske Reply-To: pekarske_bob@burr-brown.com Organization: Burr-Brown X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: newsletter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I tried to view the issue1 of the newsletter. It seems that the mime-types are reversed. The .pdf file has mime-type text/plain. The .txt brings up the pdf viewer. I assume it has type application/pdf. Am I doing something wrong? From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 07:51:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21696 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.cs.msu.su (laskavy@redsun.cs.msu.su [158.250.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21691 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from laskavy@localhost) by ns.cs.msu.su (8.8.6/8.6.12) id SAA11585; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:50:51 +0400 (DST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 18:50:51 +0400 (DST) Message-Id: <199707231450.SAA11585@ns.cs.msu.su> From: "Sergei S. Laskavy" To: brian_thurston@rocketship.com CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199707231302.GAA25484@hummer.intergate.bc.ca> (briand@intergate.bc.ca) Subject: Re: ASCII? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: Brian> Hi: I have succeeded in downloading both the FreeBSD Brian> Handbook and FAQ is ascii format. My question is exactly Brian> what flavour of ascii are we talking about? You can read this wich "more" (standard pager) or "less" (GNU pager, from packages/ports) and print it with printer. Brian> The downloaded versions I have are loaded with obscure Brian> formatting information that refusese to be decoded by the Brian> many editors I have. If you want to delete this, I can post you one-line sed script :) Brian> example: Brian> Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation Brian> and day to day use of FFrreeeeBBSSDD Brian> RReelleeaassee 22..22..22. This Brian> manual is a wwoorrkk iinn Brian> pprrooggrreessss and is the work of many Brian> individuals. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 08:58:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA26589 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.gemlink.com (ns.gemlink.com [205.161.116.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26566 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dkalish (pppline212.gemlink.com [205.161.116.212]) by ns.gemlink.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA06955 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199707231551.LAA06955@ns.gemlink.com> From: "Luke Kalish" To: Subject: mailing list Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:55:54 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do I remove myself from the mailing list announce@freebsd.org? Thanks, Luke Kalish From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 13:43:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13179 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13172 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA03926; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 13:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: "Sergei S. Laskavy" cc: brian_thurston@rocketship.com, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ASCII? In-Reply-To: <199707231450.SAA11585@ns.cs.msu.su> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Sergei S. Laskavy wrote: > >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: > > Brian> Hi: I have succeeded in downloading both the FreeBSD > Brian> Handbook and FAQ is ascii format. My question is exactly > Brian> what flavour of ascii are we talking about? > > You can read this wich "more" (standard pager) or "less" (GNU pager, > from packages/ports) and print it with printer. > > Brian> The downloaded versions I have are loaded with obscure > Brian> formatting information that refusese to be decoded by the > Brian> many editors I have. > > If you want to delete this, I can post you one-line sed script :) Is this on FreeBSD, or did you download to a dos/Windows machine? In FreeBSD you can do cat FAQ.ascii | col -b > FAQ.txt col -b removes the ^H sequences. Annelise > > Brian> example: > > Brian> Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation > Brian> and day to day use of FFrreeeeBBSSDD > Brian> RReelleeaassee 22..22..22. This > Brian> manual is a wwoorrkk iinn > Brian> pprrooggrreessss and is the work of many > Brian> individuals. > From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 19:31:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01553 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01546 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 19:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06458 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:31:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD needs one of these Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook/dec/BOOK-0001.html (please excuse HTML glitches) -john From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 21:24:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA06768 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ionline.net (root@iop100.ionline.net [207.6.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06763 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.6.175.210] (ppp134.ionline.net [207.6.175.210]) by ionline.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA19023; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:23:19 -0400 X-Sender: dunlop@ionline.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 00:23:47 -0400 To: John Fieber , doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "J. Douglas Dunlop" Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs one of these Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:31 pm -0400 7/23/97, John Fieber wrote: >http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber/docbook/dec/BOOK-0001.html > >(please excuse HTML glitches) > >-john I agree! However I need help to get started using docbook. I doubt I am alone. My problem is not writing the sgml code but producing output. Can you please explain how you split this document. I have a multi-chapter book that I want to put on-line and I am using 'sgmlfmt' but I can only produce a single large html file. What tools did you use to process the sgml, please include version numbers? URLs for helpful on-line info would be much appreciated. I peeked at the SGML and noticed that you used docbook v2.4.1. Can this type of output be done using docbook v3.0? Regards, Doug _____________________________________________________________________________ ____/ _ / / J. Douglas Dunlop / / / / Earth Observations Lab _/ / / / Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science / / / / 4850 Keele St.,2nd Floor ____/ _____/ _____/ W:416-665-5411 North York, Ontario H:519-747-1710 CANADA, M3J-3K1 F:416-665-2032 _____________________________________________________________________________ http://www.eol.ists.ca/ _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jul 23 22:43:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA10321 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:43:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kornet.nm.kr (mail.kornet.nm.kr [168.126.63.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA10313 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 22:43:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tiger.korea.ac.kr (tiger.korea.ac.kr [163.152.209.1]) by mail.kornet.nm.kr (8.6.12h2/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA16696 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:43:27 +0900 Received: from [163.152.217.73] by tiger.korea.ac.kr (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28953; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:33:36 +0900 Message-Id: <33D6EB50.6342773@tiger.korea.ac.kr> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:42:40 +0900 From: Choi woo hyuk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to using Kernel Debugging X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Request again.... Last week i sent a mail. But i don't receive your reply ,yet. Please send me mail. I am waiting for your mail.. I purchased a FreeBSD 2.1.7. I intended to debugging in a kernel, but i couldn't because i lacked an expert knowledge about kernel Debugging. My reference book didn't introduce me in detail . I have to master it during a short time. Please , help me to helpful documents about kernel debugging, Books, Internet sites and so on. I will wait for your message. From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 24 06:08:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA26783 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA26752 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 06:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA07612; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 08:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: "J. Douglas Dunlop" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs one of these In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, J. Douglas Dunlop wrote: > What tools did you use to process the sgml, please include version numbers? > URLs for helpful on-line info would be much appreciated. Jade. It is in the ports collection under textproc. I'll see about getting the style sheets available soon. There are still some rough edges, but things are to the point that they might be generally useful. Look for it by the weekend. For print output, the best support is for RTF which isn't too useful in a non-microsoft world. TeX support is improving. I have not tried the latest and greatest set of JadeTeX macros, but the last version certainly wasn't ready for prime-time. There currently isn't any way to get good plain text output short of using Lynx to dump formatted versions of the HTML files. > I peeked at the SGML and noticed that you used docbook v2.4.1. Can this > type of output be done using docbook v3.0? Yup. The differences in DTDs are small. -john From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jul 24 12:12:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA18438 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (root@andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18413 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:12:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06788; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 12:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Brian cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASCII? In-Reply-To: <199707240916.CAA29074@vector.intergate.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian, with regard to your offer to translate the FAQ and the handbook into Microsoft Word 7 format, I think it's been done (although not made generally available). Also, matters of this kind are handled by John Fieber, who is in charge of the FreeBSD documentation project; thus my cc: to freebsd-doc. The plain text version of these documents includes some backspace characters that provide emphasis. The backspace characters are ascii 008. They can be removed from the file in Microsoft Word 7 with find and replace. The find string is ?^0008 and the replace string should be blank. The ? is a wild card representing any single character, and therefore the "use wildcards" box needs to be checked when doing this and the ? selected from the special character menu. The backspaces and associated double characters can also be replaced in WordPerfect 6.0 for DOS with a search and replace routine. Here again the ? is selected from the menu; then enter Alt-008 to get the backspace. It should show up in the search string as the same symbol the displays in the file. Again, the replacement string should be blank. I agree that the FAQ and handbook should be made available in a form useful on DOS/Windows machines, especially when the system does not include a postscript printer. I don't know how Microsoft Word 7 would handle the postscript version of the FAQ and handbook. Annelise On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, Brian wrote: [....] > I still live in DOS/W95/NT4 world and do all of my formatting and printing > in Windows 95 or NT4. The quality of the editors is outstanding as is the > printed text (without the expense of a PS printer). > > The people most interested in any manual or FAQ are those who wish to read > about a subject before actually installing it onto their hardware. They do > not have 'more' or 'less' or 'printer' because they do not have FreeBSD > installed yet.. > > The largest market is DOS/Windows people who are looking for less-expensive > or more robust alternatives to Microsoft products. I have many customers who > wish to have the power and efficiency of an NT4 or Unix server without > having to spend the $1000's required for the license fee's. Linux and > FreeBSD may be the answer. > > I would be more than happy to translate your manual and FAQ into a format > universally readable in the DOS/Windows world but I require a real 'ascii' > file, as defined by "American Standard Code for Information Interchange". > > I could produce these files in Word for Windows v7.0 format. Microsoft > provides a free viewer that allows 'page size' formating and printing. This > would be an absolute boon to the other DOS-oids out there who wish to move > up for their heavy duty processing duties. > > Let me know how you feel about my proposal and offer? > > Regards, > > Brian. > > ----Original Message----- > From: Annelise Anderson > To: Sergei S. Laskavy > Cc: brian_thurston@rocketship.com ; > freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Wednesday, July 23, 1997 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: ASCII? > > > >On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Sergei S. Laskavy wrote: > > >> >>>>> "Brian" == Brian writes: > >> > >> Brian> Hi: I have succeeded in downloading both the FreeBSD > >> Brian> Handbook and FAQ is ascii format. My question is exactly > >> Brian> what flavour of ascii are we talking about? > >> > >> You can read this wich "more" (standard pager) or "less" (GNU pager, > >> from packages/ports) and print it with printer. > >> > >> Brian> The downloaded versions I have are loaded with obscure > >> Brian> formatting information that refusese to be decoded by the > >> Brian> many editors I have. > >> > >> If you want to delete this, I can post you one-line sed script :) > > > >Is this on FreeBSD, or did you download to a dos/Windows machine? > >In FreeBSD you can do > > > >cat FAQ.ascii | col -b > FAQ.txt > > > >col -b removes the ^H sequences. > > > > Annelise > >> > >> Brian> example: > >> > >> Brian> Welcome to FreeBSD! This handbook covers the installation > >> Brian> and day to day use of FFrreeeeBBSSDD > >> Brian> RReelleeaassee 22..22..22. This > >> Brian> manual is a wwoorrkk iinn > >> Brian> pprrooggrreessss and is the work of many > >> Brian> individuals. > > > > > From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 25 02:48:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA25001 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ionline.net (root@iop100.ionline.net [207.6.175.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA24996 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 02:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.6.175.40] (ppp5.ionline.net [207.6.175.37]) by ionline.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA24248; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:47:54 -0400 X-Sender: dunlop@ionline.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:48:16 -0400 To: John Fieber From: "J. Douglas Dunlop" Subject: Re: FreeBSD needs one of these Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 9:07 am -0400 7/24/97, John Fieber wrote: >On Thu, 24 Jul 1997, J. Douglas Dunlop wrote: > >> What tools did you use to process the sgml, please include version numbers? >> URLs for helpful on-line info would be much appreciated. > >Jade. It is in the ports collection under textproc. I'll see >about getting the style sheets available soon. There are still >some rough edges, but things are to the point that they might be >generally useful. Look for it by the weekend. Ok, I downloaded and built jade 0.9. I had tried to build 0.8 before and it failed. This time I got it to work. It taxed the limit of my personal accounts virtual memory but built fine as root. I was able to process the sample file demo.sgm into html, rtf, fot and tex formats. Next, bouyed by my minor success, I downloaded a style sheet 'db070.dsl' created for docbook and attempted to process my own docbook document. My document has some problems, according to jade, but I was able to output rtf, tex and fot. The rtf looked not bad when viewed with MS Word. However, when I attempted to output html I got nothing, no html file even. I do get a .css file though. Any ideas why? > >For print output, the best support is for RTF which isn't too >useful in a non-microsoft world. TeX support is improving. I >have not tried the latest and greatest set of JadeTeX macros, but >the last version certainly wasn't ready for prime-time. There >currently isn't any way to get good plain text output short of >using Lynx to dump formatted versions of the HTML files. > >> I peeked at the SGML and noticed that you used docbook v2.4.1. Can this >> type of output be done using docbook v3.0? Finally, I attempted to process your 'techovr.sgml' file using the same 'db070.dsl'. This just generated many 'undefined' errors which I believe are due to jade not finding my 2.4.1 dtd. I messed with my catalog a bit but didn't get anywhere. I didn't really want to process 2.4.1 anyway... > >Yup. The differences in DTDs are small. > >-john Can you possibly provide a few more hints as to the proper use of jade with specifics on the coupling between .dsl files and .dtd files. I really need a concrete example to be able to convince myself I'm going about this correctly. What would be really nice is tar ball with a .sgml file and .dsl file that works together an produce split html as well as rtf and tex. Is that what you had in mind for this weekend? BTW, are the options of jade documented anywhere. The documentation on the jade home page and that come with jade are incomplete. What is -a link_type? Regards, Doug _____________________________________________________________________________ ____/ _ / / J. Douglas Dunlop / / / / Earth Observations Lab _/ / / / Institute for Space and Terrestrial Science / / / / 4850 Keele St.,2nd Floor ____/ _____/ _____/ W:416-665-5411 North York, Ontario H:519-747-1710 CANADA, M3J-3K1 F:416-665-2032 _____________________________________________________________________________ http://www.eol.ists.ca/ _____________________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 25 06:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA02062 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from f64.hotmail.com (F64.hotmail.com [207.82.250.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA02054 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:09:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by f64.hotmail.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA13129; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199707251308.GAA13129@f64.hotmail.com> Received: from 193.188.97.245 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:08:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.188.97.245] From: "hacking group" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: freebsd Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 06:08:39 PDT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hay i want a unix opraiting system but all the ones i heard of need partition and i do not want to format my drive so please tell me if freebsd need partition. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 25 10:16:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13775 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.cs.msu.su (root@redsun.cs.msu.su [158.250.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13767 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from janus.msu.su (janus [158.250.17.20]) by ns.cs.msu.su (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA06646 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:16:33 +0400 (DST) Received: by janus.msu.su (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02438; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:16:25 +0400 Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:16:25 +0400 From: laskavy@cs.msu.su (Sergei S. Laskavy) Message-Id: <199707251716.VAA02438@janus.msu.su> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: How to spell the RFC####? Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Environment: FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE I wonder how to spell right the RFC. host% find /usr/share/man/man* -type f -print | xargs gzip -cd | grep -i rfc I got different variants: RFC #### RFC-#### RFC#### rfc### It's not hard to correct that, right? Sergei S. Laskavy From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 25 10:19:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13911 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from marvin.ulster.net (marvin.ulster.net [208.148.73.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13897 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhv.net (root@spice.mhv.net [199.0.0.21]) by marvin.ulster.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18162 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:26:07 -0400 Received: from host (orange-port13.mhv.net [205.245.175.33]) by mhv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16672 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:19:22 -0400 Message-ID: <33D899F4.3B8DA4A@mhv.net> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:20:04 +0100 From: "William C . Topp" Reply-To: topp@mhv.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: nt on one hdd, freebsd on another, need boot manager X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk in your faq i read: "The general idea is that you copy the first sector of your native root FreeBSD or Linux partition into a file in the DOS/NT partition. Assuming you name that file something like c:\bootsect.bsd or c:\bootsect.lnx (inspired by c:\bootsect.dos) you can then edit the c:\boot.ini file to come up with something like this: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows NT" C:\BOOTSECT.BSD="FreeBSD" C:\BOOTSECT.LNX="Linux" C:\="DOS" This procedure assumes that DOS, NT, Linux, FreeBSD, or whatever have been installed into their respective fdisk partitions on the same disk." i've got native nt on scsi 0, two partitions, both ntfs. i've put freebsd on scsi 1, a separate hdd with a single partition. i had the freebsd installation put a boot manager on 0, standard mbr on 1. when i restart i get the boot manager (f1 hpfs f5 disc2) but BOTH selections boot nt. what did i do wrong? i tried to run bootinst boot.ini from the nt command prompt but nt won't let it access the disc. i don't have a dos system floppy. how can i modify the above advice from your faq for freebsd on a second hdd? thanks bill topp topp@mhv.net From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jul 25 20:48:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12019 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.10.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12014 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu) by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-8 #7723) with SMTP id <01ILO1D6Z0D68WZANE@asu.edu> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:55:26 MST Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04234; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) X-URL: http://www.enterprise.com/handbook/handbook.html Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:48:28 -0700 (MST) From: kjonjenx@aztec2.asu.edu Subject: free lit To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <9707260348.AA04234@aztec.asu.edu> X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2.5 X-Personal_Name: kit j. jenkins Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk please fwd the free-freebsd doc to kjonjenx@aztec2.asu.edu thankyou Kit j. Jenkins From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jul 26 16:24:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA25169 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25164 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22402; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:23:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:23:53 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber Reply-To: John Fieber To: "J. Douglas Dunlop" cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DSSSL stylsheets for docbook. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, J. Douglas Dunlop wrote: > Ok, I downloaded and built jade 0.9. I had tried to build 0.8 before and it > failed. This time I got it to work. It taxed the limit of my personal > accounts virtual memory but built fine as root. I was able to process the Yes, there was a reason I didn't want to bring jade into the FreeBSD source tree. :) > Next, bouyed by my minor success, I downloaded a style sheet 'db070.dsl' > created for docbook and attempted to process my own docbook document. My > document has some problems, according to jade, but I was able to output > rtf, tex and fot. The rtf looked not bad when viewed with MS Word. However, > when I attempted to output html I got nothing, no html file even. I do get > a .css file though. Any ideas why? DSSSL works by creating a flow-object tree from an SGML document. Think of flow objects as an abstract typesetting language which can be easily mapped into real typesetting languages such as TeX, rtf or groff. The root of the flow object tree generated by the stylesheet in question is a "simple-page-sequence", where a "page" is a rectangular area of fixed size. Generally, for online applications the root flow object needs to be a "scroll". Specifically, when using "-t html", only content placed inside scroll flow objects will output into HTML files. However, using jade's HTML output isn't that useful at this point because it depends heavily on robust CSS support in the browser, which doesn't really exist now. The other approach to generating HTML with DSSSL is to use the transformation language part of the DSSSL standard, since docbook to HTML is effectively a transformation from one DTD to another. Alas, jade does not yet support the transformation language. As a stopgap measure, jade supports some non-standard flow objects that can be used in conjunction with the "-t sgml" output format that can be used for generating HTML. I've put a snapshot of my docbook stylsheets--one for print output and one for HTML output--up at ftp://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/pub/sgml/stylesheet-0.1.tar.gz. Brief instructions are included. Jon Bosak's docbook stylsheet (db070) has been adopted by Norm Walsh and can be found in its latest incarnation at http://www.berkshire.net/~norm/dsssl/. Both Norm's stylsheet and my stylsheets are definately incomplete, although the areas of incompleteness differ. I've been focusing mostly on the HTML generation and the features needed to get the handbook moved from linuxdoc to Docbook. It may ultimately be more practical to drop my print stylsheet in favor of Norm's. > Finally, I attempted to process your 'techovr.sgml' file using the same > 'db070.dsl'. This just generated many 'undefined' errors which I believe > are due to jade not finding my 2.4.1 dtd. I messed with my catalog a bit > but didn't get anywhere. I didn't really want to process 2.4.1 anyway... If you have installed the docbook port (in textproc): jade -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/2.4.1/catalog \ -d db070.dsl -t techovr.sgml You can also list your catalog files as a colon separated list in the SGML_CATALOG_FILES environment variable. Jade, nsgmls, sgmlnorm and friends all use this. Another alternative is to create a file /usr/local/share/sgml/catalog containing pointers to the catalog files you want to use. Mine currently looks like: CATALOG "transpec/catalog" CATALOG "html/wilbur/catalog" CATALOG "html/cougar/catalog" CATALOG "tei/catalog" CATALOG "iso8879/catalog" CATALOG "docbook/2.4.1/catalog" CATALOG "docbook/3.0/catalog" CATALOG "jade/catalog" CATALOG "linuxdoc/catalog" CATALOG "iso12083/catalog" CATALOG "JRF/catalog" One word of warning: some catalog files cannot be used at the same time. For example, HTML 2.0 and HTML 3.2 both refer to ISO 8879-1986//ENTITIES Added Latin 1//EN//HTML but the HTML 2.0 version of those entities is different than the 3.2 version. The Cougar DTD has fixed this little glitch. Another word of warning: the CATALOG syntax in catalog files is non-standard. The version of psgml (super-nifty sgml mode for emacs) doesn't understand it. All the SP based tools do. > BTW, are the options of jade documented anywhere. The documentation on the > jade home page and that come with jade are incomplete. What is -a link_type? The port installs all the docs in ${PREFIX}/share/doc/jade. Link type? I'll just quote the beginning of the chapter on LINK in Goldfarb's SGML Handbook (p92): There exists an arcane area of Anglo-American law, called the "Rule Against Perpetuities", so complex that a California court once found an attorney to be innocent of malpractice on the grounds that no lawyer could be expected to understand it. In short, you probably don't want to know what -a link_type does. :) -john