From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Dec 7 11:21:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA15702 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from chokepnt.uni-bonn.de (rhrz-isdn3-p43.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.225.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15697 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 1997 11:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzsv2k@uni-bonn.de) Received: from chokepnt.uni-bonn.de (chokepnt.uni-bonn.de [192.168.0.15]) by chokepnt.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA00256; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:16:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <347EC410.167EB0E7@uni-bonn.de> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:16:00 +0100 From: Philipp Reichmuth X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Timothy J Luoma CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SyQuest Drives and FBSD References: <199711270215.VAA28039@luomat.peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Timothy J Luoma wrote: > > Has anyone installed FSBD on a SyQuest drive, specifically a SyJet? Yes. I've done it on an EZflyer 230 for backup. It works. > I'd like to be able to use the SyJet as the boot drive for several different > OSes, so I can put one OS on each cart, boot the machine and voila.... > Also, can I mount EZ135 SyQuest cart under FBSD? I don't know why it shouldn't work. My EZflyer 230 works OK. You'll need an appropriate disktab entry, though. > They are supposed to operate just like regular HDs. In fact, they do. I had to turn off disconnect for the SyQuest drive on an Adaptec AHA2940U because otherwise the SCSI subsystem went down in the dumps when the drive spun down. Philipp -- > ======================================================================= > formerly - now > ======================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 8 08:41:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA19557 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19538 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dag-erli@ifi.uio.no) Received: from gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no (2602@gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.40]) by ifi.uio.no (8.8.8/8.8.7/ifi0.2) with ESMTP id RAA15020; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:41:26 +0100 (MET) Received: (from dag-erli@localhost) by gjallarhorn.ifi.uio.no ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:41:26 +0100 (MET) To: luigi@iet.unipi.it Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pnp audio drivers on 2.2.1R Organization: Gutteklubben Terrasse X-url: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~dag-erli/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smørgrav) Date: 08 Dec 1997 17:41:25 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having some trouble with the pnp audio drivers. According to the README file, 2.2.x systems older than 2.2.5-RELEASE require the patches in patches.22x to be applied. However, these patches fail on my system (2.2.1-RELEASE). The patch expects /sys/i386/isa/isa.c to have the following CVS ID: $Id: isa.c,v 1.74.2.3 1997/10/12 16:07:42 jkh Exp $ which obviously isn't the case on a 2.2.1R system since 2.2.1R came out in march/april (AFAIR) 1997. isa.c on my system has the following ID: $Id: isa.c,v 1.74.2.1 1997/02/13 07:20:42 bde Exp $ The README file claims that the pnp audio drivers have been tested on 2.2.1 - obviously they have not been tested on a vanilla 2.2.1 system. Is there a patch for 2.2.1R available somewhere? Upgrading to 2.2.2R is not an option. I have the CD, but I don't have the possibility to do a full backup, without which I don't want to attempt an upgrade. Alternatively, I can manage without the pnp audio drivers if I can make my SB16 PnP work by configuring it manually. I tried the following: config> pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 5 drq0 1 port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 config> pnp 1 1 enable os drq0 5 which should set the SB16 to IRQ 5, DRQ 1 and 5 (based mostly on guesswork and pnpinfo) My kernel is configured to find an SB16 card at port 0x220, IRQ 5, low DRQ 1, high DRQ 5. It has worked properly with these settings with an SB32 earlier; at that time I used a DOS utility to configure the card. The problems I am experienceing now are DMA timeouts. The audio drivers detect the card properly, but playback does not work and generates console messages to the tune of "DMA timeout, IRQ/DRQ config error?". The card is brand new; I haven't tested it on another machine or OS, though I assume that it works. When I run pnpinfo, it properly reports the settings I have selected, although it seems to drop the high byte on the port numbers. I assume this is a bug in pnpinfo since 'ls' at the kernel configuration prompt reports them properly. By the way, I'd like the pnp driver to report the settings of pnp devices which are manually configured (or if possible, of all pnp devices detected) instead of just reporting "override config for CSN %d LDN %d vend_id 0x%08x". Would that be possible? Yes, I *can* be bothered to try and do it myself and submit a patch for it :) -- * Finrod (INTJ) * Unix weenie * dag-erli@ifi.uio.no * cellular +47-92835919 * RFC1123: "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" # unzip ; strip ; touch ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ; sleep From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 8 09:23:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA22054 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22019 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 09:23:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id RAA28871; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:22:25 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712081622.RAA28871@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: pnp audio drivers on 2.2.1R To: dag-erli@ifi.uio.no (Dag-Erling Coidan Smxrgrav) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:22:24 +0100 (MET) Cc: luigi@iet.unipi.it, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Dag-Erling Coidan Smxrgrav" at Dec 8, 97 05:41:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm having some trouble with the pnp audio drivers. According to the > README file, 2.2.x systems older than 2.2.5-RELEASE require the > patches in patches.22x to be applied. However, these patches fail on > my system (2.2.1-RELEASE). The patch expects /sys/i386/isa/isa.c to try applying them by hand... > The README file claims that the pnp audio drivers have been tested on > 2.2.1 - obviously they have not been tested on a vanilla 2.2.1 system. obviously -- a vanilla 2.2.1 did not have the pnp/audio driver :) seriously, all the relevant bits should be in the patches. I cannot test that they apply cleanly but really minor work should be needed. In any case I am running 2.2.1 myself. > config> pnp 1 0 enable os irq0 5 drq0 1 port0 0x220 port1 0x330 port2 0x388 > config> pnp 1 1 enable os drq0 5 second line should be pnp 1 0 enable os drq1 5 (you can put the "drq1 5" in the first line as well) > The problems I am experienceing now are DMA timeouts. The audio > drivers detect the card properly, but playback does not work and > generates console messages to the tune of "DMA timeout, IRQ/DRQ config > error?". The card is brand new; I haven't tested it on another error consistent with the above mistake. > When I run pnpinfo, it properly reports the settings I have selected, > although it seems to drop the high byte on the port numbers. I assume > this is a bug in pnpinfo since 'ls' at the kernel configuration prompt > reports them properly. yes, fixed in the pnpinfo version in -current > By the way, I'd like the pnp driver to report the settings of pnp > devices which are manually configured (or if possible, of all pnp > devices detected) instead of just reporting "override config for CSN > %d LDN %d vend_id 0x%08x". Would that be possible? Yes, I *can* be > bothered to try and do it myself and submit a patch for it :) would be easy, if it is not already there booting with -v (in -current). Basically you should print out something every time write_pnp_info() (or similar function) is called. Cheers Luigi From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 8 10:31:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA27268 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:31:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from persprog.com (root@persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27263 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 10:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@persprog.com) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id NAA13093; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:24:47 -0500 Received: from dave.ppi.com(192.2.2.6) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma013082; Mon Dec 8 13:24:18 1997 Message-ID: <348C3B4F.D11698F6@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:24:15 -0500 From: Dave Alderman Reply-To: dave@persprog.com Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Poul-Henning Kamp CC: Mike Smith , Jim Shankland , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISA-bus flash "IDE disks" sought References: <17434.881395038@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199712060504.PAA01814@word.smith.net.au>, Mike Smith writes: > >> If anyone knows of a good source for ISA-bus flash cards that look > >> like an IDE disk drive to software, I'd like to hear about it. Would you be interested in a 1.3" IDE drive instead? There is a surplus outlet selling both 20 and 40MB HP Kiityhawk drives at $10 and $15, respectively. I think it mght have been http://www.allelec.com The connector on the drive is a standard notebook IDE. They also sell the notebook to 3.5" IDE adapter for $5. This drive is very small. I think you can power it up and down to save energy as well. I am not sure how robust they are but suspect they can handle reasonable shocks. I know they work as I have one on my desk right now. -- "Going down to South Park - going to leave my woes behind..." David W. Alderman dave@persprog.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 8 11:19:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA01210 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:19:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [195.8.129.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01199 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 11:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost.cybercity.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23500; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 20:16:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: dave@persprog.com cc: Mike Smith , Jim Shankland , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISA-bus flash "IDE disks" sought In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 1997 13:24:15 EST." <348C3B4F.D11698F6@persprog.com> Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:16:25 +0100 Message-ID: <23498.881608585@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <348C3B4F.D11698F6@persprog.com>, Dave Alderman writes: > >Would you be interested in a 1.3" IDE drive instead? There is a surplus >outlet selling both 20 and 40MB HP Kiityhawk drives at $10 and $15, >respectively. I think it mght have been > http://www.allelec.com How noisy are they ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Dec 8 13:31:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA14498 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:31:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from quark.umd.edu (crb.mnsinc.com [206.239.213.225]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14472 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 13:31:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crb@glue.umd.edu) Received: from localhost (crb@localhost) by quark.umd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA09672; Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:40:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crb@glue.umd.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: quark.umd.edu: crb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Bowman" X-Sender: crb@quark.umd.edu To: Philipp Reichmuth cc: Timothy J Luoma , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SyQuest Drives and FBSD In-Reply-To: <347EC410.167EB0E7@uni-bonn.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Philipp Reichmuth wrote: >Timothy J Luoma wrote: >> >> Has anyone installed FSBD on a SyQuest drive, specifically a SyJet? > >Yes. I've done it on an EZflyer 230 for backup. It works. > >> I'd like to be able to use the SyJet as the boot drive for several different >> OSes, so I can put one OS on each cart, boot the machine and voila.... >> Also, can I mount EZ135 SyQuest cart under FBSD? > >I don't know why it shouldn't work. My EZflyer 230 works OK. You'll need >an appropriate disktab entry, though. > >> They are supposed to operate just like regular HDs. > >In fact, they do. I had to turn off disconnect for the SyQuest drive on >an Adaptec AHA2940U because otherwise the SCSI subsystem went down in >the dumps when the drive spun down. > >Philipp I haven't installed on one, but I do perform backups using one, I would have thought that the SCSI system would not be very tolerant of their spining down with inactivity. But I hear that the new SCSI subsystem will handle spun down disks much better. Best of all the disks are starting to get cheap, at $161 for a 3 pack. --------- Christopher R. Bowman crb@Glue.umd.edu My home page From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 9 06:57:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA07389 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:57:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr-212.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.212] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA07384 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:57:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA00233 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:57:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:57:40 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens Reply-To: Matt Behrens To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with Archive 2150S on ST-01 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I recently hooked up an Archive 2150S to a Seagate ST-01 to replace my dead Wangtek. (Yes, I know, these are really old pieces of hardware, but they were free...) :) It *seems* to work okay, except of course that I can't get the darned thing to stream. Why won't this command work? cat file.tar > /dev/rst0 file.tar would, in this instance, be my backup -- I put it in a tar file first to try to get it to stream (this trick worked on my Wangtek.) On the Archive, however, the drive whirrs for a bit and then stops dead with the light on, while my system freezes and outputs messages like the following: Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea: blind block read timeout Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon last message repeated 94 times Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 unexpected target disconnect Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: st0(sea0:3:0): UNIT ATTENTION Dec 9 09:52:34 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out Dec 9 09:52:36 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out The way to recover is to manually eject the tape. (that begins the process starting with the unexpected target disconnect, after a few minutes.) Is this just not legal? Also, I noted that someone else had a 2150S in the mailing list archives and was playing with the buffer disconnect size. Is this something I can play with to perhaps make it stream correctly? TIA. Matt Behrens | Support the anti-spam amendment! http://www.zigg.com/ | Visit http://www.cauce.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 9 07:43:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA11026 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from megaweapon.zigg.com (tcgr-212.dialup.alliance.net [207.74.43.212] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11019 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Received: from localhost (matt@localhost) by megaweapon.zigg.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00470 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@megaweapon.zigg.com) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:42:32 -0500 (EST) From: Matt Behrens To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Archive 2150S & QIC-320 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I read in an archived post that the 2150S was capable of using 525 tapes. I can't do an mt density QIC-320 though (sez invalid argument). How can I do this? Matt Behrens | Support the anti-spam amendment! http://www.zigg.com/ | Visit http://www.cauce.org/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Dec 9 10:15:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA21081 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from main.brewich.com (digital-03-205.hou.neoworld.net [206.109.29.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21068 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:15:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gclarkii@main.brewich.com) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.brewich.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA20219; Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:14:49 -0600 (CST) From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199712091814.MAA20219@main.brewich.com> Subject: Re: Problems with Archive 2150S on ST-01 To: matt@megaweapon.zigg.com Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 12:14:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Matt Behrens at "Dec 9, 97 09:57:40 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Your problem is the ST-01 not the 2150S. This controller is more or less in the tree to do CD-ROM installs and not much else. It is worthless for anything related to speed (no dma, no ints nothing). Gary Matt Behrens wrote: > Hi, > > I recently hooked up an Archive 2150S to a Seagate ST-01 to replace my > dead Wangtek. (Yes, I know, these are really old pieces of hardware, but > they were free...) :) It *seems* to work okay, except of course that I > can't get the darned thing to stream. > > Why won't this command work? > > cat file.tar > /dev/rst0 > --SNIP > > Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea: blind block read timeout > Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon last message repeated 94 times > Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 unexpected target disconnect > Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out > Dec 9 09:52:32 megaweapon /kernel: st0(sea0:3:0): UNIT ATTENTION > Dec 9 09:52:34 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out > Dec 9 09:52:36 megaweapon /kernel: sea0/3/0 (st0) timed out > --SNIP > > Matt Behrens | Support the anti-spam amendment! > http://www.zigg.com/ | Visit http://www.cauce.org/ > > > > -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups - http://WWW.GBData.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/FAQ.latin1 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 10 14:06:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA23516 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:06:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mail.jump.net (serv1.jump.net [204.238.120.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23499; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aa@jump.net) Received: from rat by mail.jump.net (8.8.8/jump.1.11) id PAA20656; Message-ID: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:55:05 -0600 From: Allan Alford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy! This is my first post to either of these lists, so I hope this is the right place for this kind of thing. I recently purchased one of the above-mentioned drives and put it into an external SCSI cabinet. I also bought a 1.2 Gig QIC-1000 tape (the largest the manufacturer recommends). Now I'm having problems putting this thing to good use. Since it's a 1/4" tape, the concatenate and append flags on tar don't seem to work. Trying to tar multiple directories fails as a result. Referencing the device as /dev/nrst0 does not seem to help either. Dumping a 496meg file system reports that I need 10.2 tapes! Tarring the same file system works just fine however. Can anyone offer any help? Is it normal that I would need to mess with the density and feet settings on dump? Is it normal that tar would use the tape correctly while dump wouldn't? Most importantly: How do I get the tape to accept multiple dumps and/or tars? I can't seem to set it to no rewind. Also, how do I access the details of this "Rogue's Gallery" that I keep seeing reference to in the man pages? Thanks for any and all help, Allan Alford From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 10 16:23:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08560 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08475; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 16:22:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id BAA15520; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:22:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id BAA09393; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:15:08 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19971211011508.60795@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:15:08 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: Allan Alford Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net>; from Allan Alford on Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 03:55:05PM -0600 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Allan Alford wrote: > Since it's a 1/4" tape, the concatenate and append flags on tar don't > seem to work. Trying to tar multiple directories fails as a result. > > Referencing the device as /dev/nrst0 does not seem to help either. How exactly do you do it? It works for me. > Dumping a 496meg file system reports that I need 10.2 tapes! Dumps defaults are stupid. Use `dump -a' instead (but beware, EOF detection is currently broken, there's an open PR for this). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 10 20:58:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA02133 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mail.jump.net (serv1.jump.net [204.238.120.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA02098; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aa@jump.net) Received: from bubba by mail.jump.net (8.8.8/jump.1.11) id WAA24265; Message-ID: <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:58:30 -0600 From: Allan Alford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG CC: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 References: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net> <19971211011508.60795@uriah.heep.sax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk J Wunsch wrote: > How exactly do you do it? It works for me. > I've been using the following syntax in my script: tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar When I check the tape the next morning, I do: mt rewind (tape already seems to be rewound) tar -tv (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) mt fsf 1 (nothing seems to happen) tar -tv (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) Is there a quicker way to test and make sure that the /nrst0 device really is no rewind? Some way to copy something directly, perhaps? cpio, maybe? I've only ever worked with DAT in the past and have never had these problems. > > Dumping a 496meg file system reports that I need 10.2 tapes! > > Dumps defaults are stupid. Use `dump -a' instead (but beware, EOF > detection is currently broken, there's an open PR for this). Other folks recommended this strategy. I will try this one in the morning. Thank you all for your help. Also, Joerg, since you seem to know the particular device, I have one last question: The docs indicate that I can jump the 51000HT to be either SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 and yet the jumper maps show no such jumper. Currently, I'm SCSI 1. Do you know how to set this? = allan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Dec 10 22:13:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA06767 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from Tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06745; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from papillon.lemis.com ([168.87.69.104]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with ESMTP id WAA08818; Wed, 10 Dec 1997 22:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (grog@localhost) by papillon.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id OAA08467; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:00:12 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <19971211140011.44835@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:00:11 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Allan Alford Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 References: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net> <19971211011508.60795@uriah.heep.sax.de> <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net>; from Allan Alford on Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 10:58:30PM -0600 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 10:58:30PM -0600, Allan Alford wrote: > J Wunsch wrote: > >> How exactly do you do it? It works for me. >> > > I've been using the following syntax in my script: > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar > > When I check the tape the next morning, I do: > > mt rewind > (tape already seems to be rewound) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) > mt fsf 1 > (nothing seems to happen) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) > > Is there a quicker way to test and make sure that the /nrst0 device > really is no rewind? Some way to copy something directly, perhaps? > > cpio, maybe? I've only ever worked with DAT in the past and have > never had these problems. I do pretty much exactly this for my nightly backup, and it works fine. I'd guess that this is a driver bug, not a tar bug. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 01:13:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA22219 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:13:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mailhub (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA22210; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:13:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fj@schizo.dk.tfs.com) Received: from schizo.dk.tfs.com by mailhub (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA06901; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:06:56 -0800 Received: (from fj@localhost) by schizo.dk.tfs.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id KAA21898; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:13:18 +0100 (MET) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199712110913.KAA21898@schizo.dk.tfs.com> Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 In-Reply-To: <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net> from Allan Alford at "Dec 10, 97 10:58:30 pm" To: aa@jump.net (Allan Alford) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:13:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi world, > I've been using the following syntax in my script: > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar Uhmmmm, you DO mean 'tar -cvf /dev/nrst0 /foo', right? Otherwise your problem is pretty obvious - tar defaults to use /dev/rst0 (but a backup of the /dev/nrst0 device is allways nice ;-). I realize that the missing 'f' probably is a typo. OTOH it would account for the behaviour that you see. > When I check the tape the next morning, I do: > > mt rewind > (tape already seems to be rewound) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) > mt fsf 1 > (nothing seems to happen) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) Have a nice day Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen It'll probably say something like "Does not TRW Financial Systems, Denmark compute" or "Inoperative parameters". That's Email: fj@tfs.com what it says when it doesn't know and doesn't Phone: +45 4330 4050 want to admit it. -- Terry Pratchett: Wings From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 01:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA23151 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA23140; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA19698; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:22:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id KAA12273; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:17:23 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19971211101723.12170@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:17:23 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: Allan Alford Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <348F0FB9.C6C@jump.net> <19971211011508.60795@uriah.heep.sax.de> <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net>; from Allan Alford on Wed, Dec 10, 1997 at 10:58:30PM -0600 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Allan Alford wrote: > > How exactly do you do it? It works for me. > > > > I've been using the following syntax in my script: > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar Well, therein lies the rub. :) You've been using the (default) rewind-on-close device all the time, but tried to backup the device node /dev/nrst0 as the first file in each archive. tar -cvf /dev/nrst0 /foo tar -cvf /dev/nrst0 /bar > mt rewind > (tape already seems to be rewound) > tar -tv This must be tar -tvf /dev/nrst0 again. Alternatively, you can set the env variable TAPE to it. (Note that mt(1) uses /dev/nrst0 by default -- it wouldn't make much sense otherwise.) > Also, Joerg, since you seem to know the particular device, I have > one last question: No, i don't know this particular device. > The docs indicate that I can jump the 51000HT to be either SCSI-1 or > SCSI-2 and yet the jumper maps show no such jumper. Currently, I'm > SCSI 1. Do you know how to set this? Dunno, but it'll probably only change the way it announces itself in the INQUIRY command. I don't think the drive will behave differently otherwise, so: ``Don't worry''. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 01:59:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA27317 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:59:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from login.dknet.dk (root@login.dknet.dk [193.88.44.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA27309 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fj@login.dknet.dk) Received: (from fj@localhost) by login.dknet.dk (8.7.5/8.6) id KAA17887; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:53:42 +0100 (MET) From: Flemming Jacobsen Message-Id: <199712110953.KAA17887@login.dknet.dk> Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 To: aa@jump.net (Allan Alford) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 97 10:53:42 MET Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi world, [It seems like my first try at sending this got nuked by the spam-filter. Maybe I should learn to take a hint :-)] > I've been using the following syntax in my script: > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar Uhmmmm, you DO mean 'tar -cvf /dev/nrst0 /foo', right? Otherwise your problem is pretty obvious - tar defaults to use /dev/rst0 (but a backup of the /dev/nrst0 device is allways nice ;-). I realize that the missing 'f' probably is a typo. OTOH it would account for the behaviour that you see. > When I check the tape the next morning, I do: > > mt rewind > (tape already seems to be rewound) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) > mt fsf 1 > (nothing seems to happen) > tar -tv > (yields the tar of foobar - the last from the list) Have a nice day Flemming -- Flemming Jacobsen It'll probably say something like "Does not compute" or "Inoperative parameters". That's Email: fj@login.dknet.dk what it says when it doesn't know and doesn't Phone: +45 35 43 33 49 want to admit it. -- Terry Pratchett: Wings From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 02:00:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA27619 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from blackhole.istar.ca (ts27-03.ott.istar.ca [198.53.6.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA27602; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from delerium@blackhole.istar.ca) Received: (from delerium@localhost) by blackhole.istar.ca (8.8.7/8.8.5) id FAA00240; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Roth To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: SoundBlaster 16 PnP config Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I can't seem to get my SoundBlaster 16 PnP running under 2.2.5. I was wondering if anyone else ran into this problem, or they may know what I'm doing wrong. My kernel config is: options "SBC_IRQ=5" options "SBC_DMA=1" options "SB16_DMA=5" controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 However, the system doesn't seem to want to recognize it. From dmesg: sb0 not found at 0x220 sbxvi0 not found sbmidi0 not found at 0x330 opl0 not found at 0x388 I've double checked and these are the right I/O addresses. If anyone has any advice it would be appreciated. - ----- We doctors know a hopeless case when - listen; there's a hell of a good universe next door; let's go PGP key can be retrieve from http://home.istar.ca/~delerium -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNI+7M6ylOKbrwZh9AQGGBwQAh4aG+Crm42h6PKsdZLwxpgaIXhQOGhzJ vM2CvFETi+PZ0XPlqyl8sa1aNpmT6i8guOR/kU3HQJIjvT3RQlC1oFSC+eA6xSxp +eWVf+PDkeWqaWqLpqbG0vQYR73ekxD50K8uIDNZKqxJfwy+eXh9ja2cFDEZQLRJ Z07BsaEML8M= =ixJu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 03:44:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA06432 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:44:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA06418; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:44:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from localhost (dstenn@localhost) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01890; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:42:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Tenn To: Mike Roth cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoundBlaster 16 PnP config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, it was written: > I can't seem to get my SoundBlaster 16 PnP running under 2.2.5. I was > wondering if anyone else ran into this problem, or they may know what I'm doing > wrong. My kernel config is: > > options "SBC_IRQ=5" > options "SBC_DMA=1" > options "SB16_DMA=5" > controller snd0 > device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 vector sbintr > device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5 > device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 > device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 > > However, the system doesn't seem to want to recognize it. From dmesg: > > sb0 not found at 0x220 > sbxvi0 not found > sbmidi0 not found at 0x330 > opl0 not found at 0x388 > > I've double checked and these are the right I/O addresses. If anyone has any > advice it would be appreciated. I'm guessing this is a PnP SB16. If it is you should get Luigi's pnp driver. http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD..html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 03:45:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA06585 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from fanfic.org (fanfic.org [205.150.35.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA06579; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:45:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Received: from localhost (dstenn@localhost) by fanfic.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01897; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:44:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dstenn@fanfic.org) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Tenn To: Mike Roth cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoundBlaster 16 PnP config In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, it was written: Oops. I added an additional '.' in the URL of my previous post. Sorry. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dennis Tenn * There will always come a time dstenn@fanfic.org * When your love will be tested * Stand tall and rise to the occasion * For only then will you grow strong. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 06:43:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA16801 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from nexos.com.br (ns.nexos.com.br [200.239.191.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA16750 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josue@compacto.nexos.com.br) Received: from compacto.nexos.com.br (compacto.nexos.com.br [192.168.0.4]) by nexos.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04908 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:21:30 -0200 (EDT) Received: from localhost (josue@localhost) by compacto.nexos.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01733 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:41:14 -0200 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:41:14 -0200 (EDT) From: "Josué José Souza Jr." To: FreeBSD-hardware mailing list Subject: Bad144 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id GAA16797 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello. I'm new on this list and I'm having a problem installing the FreeBSD 2.2.5. The problem is: when bad144 scans the HD for bad blocks, it says that there are too many bad blocks on the slice and that it can handle only 126 bad blocks per slice. I tried making three slices, but the last one always shows this problem. I tried the following HDs: Maxtor model 83240D4, 6696 Cyl, 15 Heads, 63 Sectors Seagate model ST3320A, 6253 Cyl, 16 Heads, 63 Sectors My questions are: 1. Does the bad144 have some kind of incompatibility with these HDs? 2. Is there any problem in continuing the install process, even with the bad144 warning? 3. Is there another program similar to bad144 that could handle more than 126 bad blocks per slice? I know the badsect but it doesn't does the full HD test. Thanks in advance, ------------------------- Josué Souza Jr. josue@nexos.com.br joshua@svn.com.br ------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 07:34:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA20408 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:34:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20402 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id CAA14239; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:29:56 +1100 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 02:29:56 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199712111529.CAA14239@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, josue@compacto.nexos.com.br Subject: Re: Bad144 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Hello. I'm new on this list and I'm having a problem installing the >FreeBSD 2.2.5. The problem is: when bad144 scans the HD for bad >blocks, it says that there are too many bad blocks on the slice and >that it can handle only 126 bad blocks per slice. I tried making three >slices, but the last one always shows this problem. I tried the following >HDs: >Maxtor model 83240D4, 6696 Cyl, 15 Heads, 63 Sectors >Seagate model ST3320A, 6253 Cyl, 16 Heads, 63 Sectors bad144 is normally only used for old MFM and ESDI drives, since modern drives remap bad blocks themself so that they appear to haeve 0 bad blocks. Perhaps the slice size is wrong. >1. Does the bad144 have some kind of incompatibility with these HDs? Old versions (from yesterday) couldn't handle slices larger than 2G. >2. Is there any problem in continuing the install process, even with the >bad144 warning? Probably. >3. Is there another program similar to bad144 that could handle more than >126 bad blocks per slice? I know the badsect but it doesn't does the full >HD test. No. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 09:21:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27606 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mail.jump.net (serv1.jump.net [204.238.120.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27592; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:20:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aa@jump.net) Received: from rat by mail.jump.net (8.8.8/jump.1.11) id LAA28864; Message-ID: <349020BD.321@jump.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:19:57 -0600 From: Allan Alford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 References: <199712110913.KAA21898@schizo.dk.tfs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Flemming Jacobsen wrote: > > Hi world, > > > I've been using the following syntax in my script: > > > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foo > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /bar > > tar -cv /dev/nrst0 /foobar > > Uhmmmm, you DO mean 'tar -cvf /dev/nrst0 /foo', right? Otherwise > your problem is pretty obvious - tar defaults to use /dev/rst0 > (but a backup of the /dev/nrst0 device is allways nice ;-). > I realize that the missing 'f' probably is a typo. OTOH it would > account for the behaviour that you see. > And the winner of the Bonehead of the Month Award Is.... Me! Arguments? We don't need no stinkin' arguments! Heh. - Allan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 10:03:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00929 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from tccn.cs.kun.nl (tccn.cs.kun.nl [131.174.32.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00920 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:02:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl) Received: from LikeEver (kees.sci.kun.nl [131.174.10.40]) by tccn.cs.kun.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10629 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:18:13 GMT Message-ID: <34902ABA.167EB0E7@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:02:34 +0000 From: Kees Jan Koster X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Apple Imagewriter II pinout Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD Hardware, I have this old Apple Imagewriter II, and I want to hook it on my PC. Could someone please tell me where I can find information to make my own conversion cable? It seems to be a serial printer, because on the Apple computer it is hooked on the modem port. Enjoy, Kees Jan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kees Jan Koster Hatertseweg 468 6533 GV Nijmegen the Netherlands tel. +31-24-3555870 e-mail: dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 10:03:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00948 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from tccn.cs.kun.nl (tccn.cs.kun.nl [131.174.32.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00928 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl) Received: from LikeEver (kees.sci.kun.nl [131.174.10.40]) by tccn.cs.kun.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10630 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:18:13 GMT Message-ID: <34902AB7.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:02:31 +0000 From: Kees Jan Koster X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SIMMs and DIMMs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear FreeBSD Hardware (sounds a bit silly, don't you think?), I recently replaced my Expertboard 8661 (VX chipset) with a shiny new Abit PX5 (TX chipset). I've always been told that TX chipset boards were supposed to be faster than VX chipset boards, hence the difference in price. However, I could not measure any difference in speed at all. I used bonnie and build the generic kernel and used two cpu benchmarks. Of course, I replaced none of the other hardware (133 MHZ intel pentium cpu, 60ns SIMMs and SCSI/VGA controller boards). So, could someone explain to me what it is that I did wrong here? Anyway, I wasn't done yet. My next step was to replace my 60ns SIMMs with a 10ns DIMM. I was told that this would make a difference too. However, again I was told wrong. I could not measure any speed difference. Ok, so I'm a sucker for sales stories. What am I doing wrong? Enjoy, Kees Jan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kees Jan Koster Hatertseweg 468 6533 GV Nijmegen the Netherlands tel. +31-24-3555870 e-mail: dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 10:51:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04512 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:51:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from mail.jump.net (serv1.jump.net [204.238.120.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04504 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:51:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aa@jump.net) Received: from rat by mail.jump.net (8.8.8/jump.1.11) id MAA18480; Message-ID: <349035DD.3049@jump.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:50:05 -0600 From: Allan Alford X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org CC: Kees Jan Koster Subject: Re: SIMMs and DIMMs References: <34902AB7.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kees Jan Koster wrote: > > Dear FreeBSD Hardware (sounds a bit silly, don't you think?), > > I recently replaced my Expertboard 8661 (VX chipset) with a shiny new > Abit PX5 (TX chipset). I've always been told that TX chipset boards were > supposed to be faster than VX chipset boards, hence the difference in > price. > > However, I could not measure any difference in speed at all. I used > bonnie and build the generic kernel and used two cpu benchmarks. Of > course, I replaced none of the other hardware (133 MHZ intel pentium > cpu, 60ns SIMMs and SCSI/VGA controller boards). > > So, could someone explain to me what it is that I did wrong here? > > Anyway, I wasn't done yet. My next step was to replace my 60ns SIMMs > with a 10ns DIMM. I was told that this would make a difference too. > However, again I was told wrong. I could not measure any speed > difference. > > Ok, so I'm a sucker for sales stories. What am I doing wrong? I think you answered your own question. You fell for a sales story. Switching from a VX to a TX motherboard will enable some new features in your BIOS, and will improve the speed of certain very low-level motherboard activities. This difference in speed will be notice by your CPU every now and again, but never by you unless you happen to perform a machine task of incredible duration which focusses intensively on 32-bit IDE disk access or Photoshop-type RAM read/writes. Switching from SIMMS to DIMMS and from 60ns to 10ns gives you the same sorts of improvements. Your bottleneck when talking to the RAM on your motherboard is based upon your motherboard's bus speed and your CPU. Shaving a few nanoseconds inside the RAM would once again require a massive Photoshop-type project before a perceptible difference appeared (if at all). By having RAM which is capable of such faster speeds, you are, however, ensuring that RAM read/writes perform with better accuracy at the slower speeds of the actual run-time. This means less errors, less re-writes, and a small savings of time as well. (I invoke the Photoshop metaphor again). What you did gain by all of this purchasing is a solid copy of what will be one of the last generation (possibly THE last) Socket 7 motherboards. I made the same purchase myself for the same reason. This motherboard will last you long into the point where it has become "obsolete". Also, if you (God forbid!) put Win95 on it, you will be able to take advantage of all the features of the TX chipset, including USB support, improved 32-bit EIDE access, etc. It's good stuff to have. - Allan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 10:52:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA04623 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04617 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:52:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xgDZ3-0004al-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:42:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom To: Kees Jan Koster cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SIMMs and DIMMs In-Reply-To: <34902AB7.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Kees Jan Koster wrote: ... > Ok, so I'm a sucker for sales stories. What am I doing wrong? How much cache do you have on the board? You should have 512kb of pipeline burst cache. It isn't just the chipset, it is also the motherboard. There are many places to cut corners. > Enjoy, > Kees Jan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kees Jan Koster Hatertseweg 468 6533 GV Nijmegen the Netherlands > tel. +31-24-3555870 e-mail: dutchman@tccn.cs.kun.nl > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Dec 11 13:55:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA18971 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:55:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (root@206-18-115-182.la.inreach.net [206.18.115.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18961; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:54:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@control.colossus.dyn.ml.org [192.160.60.1]) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA06590; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <348F72F6.6B37@jump.net> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:37:00 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: Allan Alford Subject: Re: Wangtek 51000HT 1/4" SCSI-2 QIC 1000 Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 11-Dec-97, Allan Alford wrote: >Also, Joerg, since you seem to know the particular device, I have one >last >question: > >The docs indicate that I can jump the 51000HT to be either SCSI-1 or >SCSI-2 >and yet the jumper maps show no such jumper. Currently, I'm SCSI 1. Do >you know how to set this? I have a Wangtek drive (5525ES), and it uses a software program (it runs under DOS *UGH*) to set this feature. I believe the 51000HT is similar. Check Tecmar's web site (they now own Wangtek) http://www.tecmar.com/ as this is where I got my copy of the program I mentioned. - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNJBdXPjpixuAwagxAQHc1AQAtktDb7YCh6R4geUex1VnFczn2/tTJxZp EgsYQlON7FkJqKnuVz+X9ysaevnMGwBZX1jVbTHVmOWxEMJSJMaWQqZY2Lhe1vSS J1oLB5mQH/hcki15XBVSswBUE8Zq1iAfStH1AQ1wQlPwVY+/Yc4M+eqo2KaWjeds qYaLNZxmMyM= =Rq2+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 03:11:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA11596 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from nexos.com.br (ns.nexos.com.br [200.239.191.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA11543 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:10:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josue@compacto.nexos.com.br) Received: from compacto.nexos.com.br (compacto.nexos.com.br [192.168.0.4]) by nexos.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06724; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:09:21 -0200 (EDT) Received: from localhost (josue@localhost) by compacto.nexos.com.br (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03510; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:09:00 -0200 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:54 -0200 (EDT) From: "Josué José Souza Jr." To: Bruce Evans cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad144 In-Reply-To: <199712111529.CAA14239@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Bruce Evans wrote: > >Hello. I'm new on this list and I'm having a problem installing the > >FreeBSD 2.2.5. The problem is: when bad144 scans the HD for bad > >blocks, it says that there are too many bad blocks on the slice and > >that it can handle only 126 bad blocks per slice. I tried making three > >slices, but the last one always shows this problem. I tried the following > >HDs: > >Maxtor model 83240D4, 6696 Cyl, 15 Heads, 63 Sectors > >Seagate model ST3320A, 6253 Cyl, 16 Heads, 63 Sectors > > bad144 is normally only used for old MFM and ESDI drives, since modern > drives remap bad blocks themself so that they appear to haeve 0 bad > blocks. Perhaps the slice size is wrong. Is it safe to install the FreeBSD without using bad144 to scan the drive? What I mean is: does FreeBSD 2.2.5 uses ATA's bios capability of mapping bad blocks? And I didn't understand how can the slice size could be wrong since I'm not using fdisk directly to make them but the install program itself. > > >1. Does the bad144 have some kind of incompatibility with these HDs? > > Old versions (from yesterday) couldn't handle slices larger than 2G. > > >2. Is there any problem in continuing the install process, even with the > >bad144 warning? > > Probably. I didn't understand this. If the modern drives do the bad block mapping by themself, why can't I just ignore the warning or skip bad block scan? > > >3. Is there another program similar to bad144 that could handle more than > >126 bad blocks per slice? I know the badsect but it doesn't does the full > >HD test. > > No. > > Bruce > Thanks in advance, ------------------- Josue Souza Jr. josue@nexos.com.br joshua@svn.com.br ------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 03:52:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA14016 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:52:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from tandem.milestonerdl.com (main.milestonerdl.com [204.107.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA13996 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 03:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@tandem.milestonerdl.com) Received: (from marc@localhost) by tandem.milestonerdl.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA02531; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:10:08 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:10:08 +0000 () From: Marc Rassbach To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI card to choose Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As a long-time user of bustek->buslogic->mylex BT-542/BT-948/BT-958 cards I am considering moving away from the buslogic line. I'd prefer not to use adaptec, so what are my other choices for a good, reliable, well preforming card line? (Adaptec: I don't like their selling of drivers, when the other vendors give them away. Mylex: they don't release information on 'their' cards (RAID cards), and with the new flashpoint line Mylex seems to be carrying on with the tradition. With the 542/948 cards gone from the line, its only a matter of time before all they have is flashpoint and the i960 RAID cards.) From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 05:39:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA19455 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from wakko.visint.co.uk (wakko.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA19447 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 05:39:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by wakko.visint.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07617; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:38:46 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:40:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Roome To: Kees Jan Koster cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SIMMs and DIMMs In-Reply-To: <34902AB7.41C67EA6@tccn.cs.kun.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Kees Jan Koster wrote: > I recently replaced my Expertboard 8661 (VX chipset) with a shiny new > Abit PX5 (TX chipset). I've always been told that TX chipset boards were > supposed to be faster than VX chipset boards, hence the difference in > price. The TX chipset is a replacement for the VX chipset (it would seem), The advantages of the TX are the ability to use SDRAM DIMM's and Ultra DMA ATAPI drives. With a TX board you can reach a theoretical maximum of 33MB/s transfer speed from an IDE drive, using ultra dma. With a VX board this wasn't possible and you were limited to using some slower (PIO mode 2/dma mode 4) transfer mode. Which was either limited to 13MB/s or 22MB/s if you had a good motherboard (doubtful any VX boards gave 22MB/s athough my old SiS 5513 based board managed this). > However, I could not measure any difference in speed at all. I used > bonnie and build the generic kernel and used two cpu benchmarks. Of > course, I replaced none of the other hardware (133 MHZ intel pentium > cpu, 60ns SIMMs and SCSI/VGA controller boards). You may find also that your memory bandwidth has changed. try this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m count=100 You can get a fair estimation of your memory bandwidth, although it will depend very heavily on the BIOS timing you have set for your memory and these settings for memory timings will depend on the memory you have. > So, could someone explain to me what it is that I did wrong here? You didn't necessarily do anything wrong, you just may not be able to harness any new power yet. If you get an UltraDMA ide drive you may or may not notice the difference. If you're sure you did something wrong it's that you bought an Intel chipset, personally I'd go take a look at the FIC PA2007 motherboard based on the VIA apollo VP2 chipset. More cache as well. > Anyway, I wasn't done yet. My next step was to replace my 60ns SIMMs > with a 10ns DIMM. I was told that this would make a difference too. > However, again I was told wrong. I could not measure any speed > difference. Sensible, make sure you buy quality though, there's been a lot of people saying that they've had problems with DIMMS they bought from someone non reputable or certain manufacturors DIMMS that just won't work with certain manufacturors boards. > Ok, so I'm a sucker for sales stories. What am I doing wrong? beleiving marketing hype is a bad idea. Steve. Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 09:29:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06146 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06135 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:29:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caj@praline.no.neosoft.com) Received: (qmail 4610 invoked by uid 65524); 12 Dec 1997 17:29:21 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:21 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Johnston To: Marc Rassbach cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SCSI card to choose In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Marc Rassbach wrote: > As a long-time user of bustek->buslogic->mylex BT-542/BT-948/BT-958 cards > I am considering moving away from the buslogic line. > > I'd prefer not to use adaptec, so what are my other choices for a good, > reliable, well preforming card line? > > (Adaptec: I don't like their selling of drivers, when the other vendors > give them away. Mylex: they don't release information on 'their' cards > (RAID cards), and with the new flashpoint line Mylex seems to be > carrying on with the tradition. With the 542/948 cards gone from the > line, its only a matter of time before all they have is flashpoint and > the i960 RAID cards.) > You probably want a Symbios Logic (nee NCR) 53c810 for SCSI-II, or the Ultra Wide version is 53c875, I believe. I've used solely 53c810's since I went PCI, and they work great. Much cheaper than adaptec, too. -Craig From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 09:34:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06665 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from praline.no.neosoft.com (praline.no.NeoSoft.COM [206.27.160.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06648 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from caj@praline.no.neosoft.com) Received: (qmail 4829 invoked by uid 65524); 12 Dec 1997 17:33:50 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:33:50 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Johnston To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ABIT IT5H, K6 and FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got an ABIT IT5H here I want to slap a K6 into, but I'm concerned about the linear voltage regulators. Could I get a show of hands of folks out there running FreeBSD on this board with this processor at >= 200Mhz? Anyone had problems? I'm probably going to want to overclock it to 83Mhz bus/2.5 multiplier, if possible. I'm running 83Mhz/1.5x right now with a K5-166. thx, Craig. PS -- got 'make world' or GENERIC compile times? From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 10:43:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13336 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:43:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from neutron.neutron.org (neutron.neutron.org [207.167.86.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13331 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:43:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hardware@neutron.neutron.org) Received: (from hardware@localhost) by neutron.neutron.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00483 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:44:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: bill clarke Message-Id: <199712121844.KAA00483@neutron.neutron.org> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: max coolness laptop? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dear bsd people you have given me good info in the past. have you heard anyone successfully installing say, 2.2.2 and PAO on a chembook 9780 ? thanks neutron. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 10:52:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA14085 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:52:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14080 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:52:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.8.7/8.6.9) id FAA01197; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:47:50 +1100 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 05:47:50 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199712121847.FAA01197@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, josue@compacto.nexos.com.br Subject: Re: Bad144 Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> bad144 is normally only used for old MFM and ESDI drives, since modern >> drives remap bad blocks themself so that they appear to haeve 0 bad >> blocks. Perhaps the slice size is wrong. > >Is it safe to install the FreeBSD without using bad144 to scan the drive? >What I mean is: does FreeBSD 2.2.5 uses ATA's bios capability of mapping >bad blocks? It's fairly safe. I always scan drives with `dd', and I haven't used bad144 except for testing after I threw out my ESDI drives many years ago. I don't know of any BIOS capability for mapping bad blocks. Modern ATA drives do it independently of the BIOS. >> >2. Is there any problem in continuing the install process, even with the >> >bad144 warning? >> >> Probably. > >I didn't understand this. If the modern drives do the bad block mapping by >themself, why can't I just ignore the warning or skip bad block scan? If you enable bad144 then you have to initialize it properly. Don't enable it unless it is needed. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 12:41:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22759 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:41:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com (grayling.erg.sri.com [128.18.4.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22750 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from templin@erg.sri.com) Received: from grayling.erg.sri.com by grayling.erg.sri.com (8.6.12/2.7davy) id KAA18364; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:45:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199712121845.KAA18364@grayling.erg.sri.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: templin@erg.sri.com Subject: NetWave driver for FreeBSD (was Re: PCMCIA card support list) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:25:23 PST." <199711101725.JAA23650@grayling.erg.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:45:00 -0800 From: "Fred L. Templin" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, About a month back, we had a discussion on this distribution as to whether a FreeBSD driver existed for the NetWave wireless networking cards. At that time, I announced that (to my knowledge) no such driver existed, but that I was in the process of writing one. Since no one spoke up to the contrary, I assumed that I was correct in my assertion and continued my coding effort, which I have recently completed. However, it now appears that a Netwave driver has been integrated into the PAO group's distribution from a different source. That driver appears to have been developed by Paul Borman of BSDi and (I assume) ported to FreeBSD only very recently. From my brief perusal of Paul's code, it is clearly more mature than that of my own in terms of engineering hours clocked on development, debug, and testing. So, I fully support it as the reference FreeBSD driver for NetWave. However (in light of the discussion on this subject a month back) if anyone was aware of the existence of this driver, shame on you for not telling me - it would have saved me a great deal of time and effort! Fred templin@erg.sri.com > To: Kelvin , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > cc: templin@erg.sri.com > Subject: Re: PCMCIA card support list > In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:36:43 +0800." > <3466652B.7F715993@uni.net.hk> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:25:23 -0800 > From: "Fred L. Templin" > Content-Length: 851 > > Kelvin, > > Are you talking about the Xircom Ethernet cards, or wireless (radio frequency) > networking cards? I'm certain the Ethernet cards are supported, but perhaps > others can give more specific details. As to the wireless networing cards, > Xircom has split this business off to a new company called NetWave who still > makes these cards. As of this writing, there is no FreeBSD driver which > supports the Xircom/NetWave wireless cards, but I'm currently 50% finished > coding one up and plan to submit the finished product to the FreeBSD community > when it's ready. > > Stay tuned... > > Fred > templin@erg.sri.com > > P.S. Look on the PAO homepage at: > > http://www.makefile.org/FreeBSD/PAO/ > > for an extensive list of supported devices. With few exceptions, > the devices supported under PAO are also supported under the vanilla > FreeBSD distribution. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 16:24:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09573 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:24:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09561 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00479; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:49:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199712130019.KAA00479@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: "Josu Jos Souza Jr." cc: Bruce Evans , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bad144 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:08:54 -0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:49:02 +1030 From: Mike Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA09567 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > bad144 is normally only used for old MFM and ESDI drives, since modern > > drives remap bad blocks themself so that they appear to haeve 0 bad > > blocks. Perhaps the slice size is wrong. > > Is it safe to install the FreeBSD without using bad144 to scan the drive? > What I mean is: does FreeBSD 2.2.5 uses ATA's bios capability of mapping > bad blocks? There is no "ATA's bios capability of mapping bad blocks", so FreeBSD could not possibly use it. The firmware on most decent modern disks of all sorts (even the Zip, if you want to believe it) will perform automatic reallocation of bad disk areas. If you have a disk manufactured in the last 4-5 years that is generating media errors it is because it has *run*out* of spare sectors, or a large amount of layout data has been lost. In this case you may be able to recover the disk with a vendor-specific repair program, but generally the best course of action is to dump the unit. Unless you are using an ancient disk, *do*not* use bad144. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 16:29:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA09894 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:29:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09879 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:28:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00502; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:53:38 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199712130023.KAA00502@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Rassbach cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCSI card to choose In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:10:08 -0000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 10:53:38 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'd prefer not to use adaptec, so what are my other choices for a good, > reliable, well preforming card line? The NCR 8xx parts, on cards from people like Asus, Diamond, Promise and Tekram. Consider the 875 (Ultra/Wide) as a good starting point. > (Adaptec: I don't like their selling of drivers, when the other vendors > give them away. Huh? Adaptec give their drivers away with their hardware, just like everyone else. mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 18:19:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA16238 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:19:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from time.cdrom.com (root@time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16233 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@time.cdrom.com) Received: from time.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA18545; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:19:42 -0800 (PST) To: "Fred L. Templin" cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NetWave driver for FreeBSD (was Re: PCMCIA card support list) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:45:00 PST." <199712121845.KAA18364@grayling.erg.sri.com> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:19:41 -0800 Message-ID: <18542.881979581@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > if anyone was aware of the existence of this driver, shame on you for not > telling me - it would have saved me a great deal of time and effort! We're rarely aware of what the PAO folks have in the pipeline - they discuss all their work in Japanese. :) JOrdan From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 20:59:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA24180 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from colossus.dyn.ml.org (root@199-170-160-221.la.inreach.net [199.107.160.221]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24171 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Received: from control.colossus.dyn.ml.org (dburr@control.colossus.dyn.ml.org [192.160.60.1]) by colossus.dyn.ml.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA14167; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dburr@POBoxes.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:59:21 -0800 (PST) Organization: Starfleet Command From: Donald Burr To: Marc Rassbach Subject: RE: SCSI card to choose Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My secret spy satellite informs me that on 12-Dec-97, Marc Rassbach wrote: >As a long-time user of bustek->buslogic->mylex BT-542/BT-948/BT-958 cards >I am considering moving away from the buslogic line. > >I'd prefer not to use adaptec, so what are my other choices for a good, >reliable, well preforming card line? The cards based on the NCR/SymBIOS chipset are quite popular, and perform very well under FreeBSD. The NCR driver is said to be quite stable. If RAID is your gig (no pun intended :) ), then I hear good things about the DPT cards. Simon Shapiro (shimon@i-connect.net) is maintaining the driver for them. >(Adaptec: I don't like their selling of drivers, when the other vendors >give them away. Mylex: they don't release information on 'their' cards >(RAID cards), and with the new flashpoint line Mylex seems to be >carrying on with the tradition. With the 542/948 cards gone from the >line, its only a matter of time before all they have is flashpoint and >the i960 RAID cards.) Huh? My Adaptec card came with drivers... but then again, it was a retail box. The OEM and "cheapo" boxes don't come with drivers, but then again, you get what you pay for. (Besides, since you're obviously a FreeBSD junkie, why do you need DOS/WinBlowz drivers anyway?) - --- Donald Burr - Ask me for my PGP key | PGP: Your WWW HomePage: http://DonaldBurr.base.org/ ICQ #1347455 | right to Address: P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 | 'Net privacy. Phone: (805) 957-9666 FAX: (800) 492-5954 | USE IT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNJIW2fjpixuAwagxAQHafAP7BjbAP/K1NDwZTW0dgV9g+XBO1X7xmiJ2 szcrxAX771mL0g2mlx4WigXMwFC49mYmUkhEOf+zmAbL4uxevj/sdJG3TaUMX89/ YLLkcTg5xPcTJXFoXEVTk5aHRB3r+YpJ7051f8i3iFc/AFqH//UAJ1sdMY8Wc7hy OxFs6LstewM= =/f/K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Dec 12 21:27:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA25297 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:27:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from pong.ping.at (pong.ping.at [193.81.13.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25289 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahuber@ping.at) Received: from a011.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net (a011.static.Vienna.AT.EU.net [193.154.186.11]) by pong.ping.at (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23245 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 06:27:44 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199712130527.GAA23245@pong.ping.at> From: "Andreas Huber" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 97 06:33:22 Reply-To: "Andreas Huber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a Evaluation Version For OS/2 (Unregistered) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Ethernet 10/100 NIC recommendation Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can anyone recommend a good Ethernet 10/100 NIC? TIA, Andreas From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 13 12:06:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA11571 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from paert.tse-online.de (paert.tse-online.de [194.97.69.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11558 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 12:06:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@paert.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 13863 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Dec 1997 20:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19971213212305.27688@paert.tse-online.de> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:23:05 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Cc: multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: looking for a decent Soundcard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 Organization: TSE TeleService GmbH Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm just thinking of stuffing a decent sound-card into my FreeBSD workstation and wondering which soundcard to choose. I'm one of the kind for whom 'soundcards' are part of the darker side of PCs. (remembering all these embarassing experiences I had with soundcards friend's and collegues PCs ...) Concerning the sound-quality and what I've read about FreeBSD's sound-driver support in the past I like the gravis ultrasound productline. But since the whole productline was put down by Gravis a few weeks ago ... To make a long story short: I'm looking for a sound-card with decent quality of sound (and signals ...) supported by FreeBSD, the bad (NT 4.0) and the ugly (Win95) operating system. Thanks in advance, Andreas Braukmann -- /// TSE TeleService GmbH | Gsf: Arne Reuter | /// Hovestrasse 14 | Andreas Braukmann | We do it with /// D-48351 Everswinkel | HRB: 1430, AG WAF | FreeBSD/SMP /// ------------------------------------------------------------------- /// PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key /// Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 13 13:06:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA15248 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15225; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06307; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hasty@rah.star-gate.com) Message-Id: <199712132106.NAA06307@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 To: Andreas Braukmann cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: looking for a decent Soundcard In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 1997 21:23:05 +0100." <19971213212305.27688@paert.tse-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:06:41 -0800 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you can just wait a couple of weeks while I get a chance to wrap up the sound driver for the Turtle Beach Daytona PCI (S3 Sonic Vibes PCI audio controller) Regards, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 13 16:07:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA25717 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:07:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25712 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 16:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08283; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:07:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA00733; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:07:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 17:07:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199712140007.RAA00733@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Mike Smith Cc: Marc Rassbach , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI card to choose In-Reply-To: <199712130023.KAA00502@word.smith.net.au> References: <199712130023.KAA00502@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > (Adaptec: I don't like their selling of drivers, when the other vendors > > give them away. > > Huh? Adaptec give their drivers away with their hardware, just like > everyone else. Not really. You have to buy them if you want drivers for anything but hard-disks, ie; CD-ROM support. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 13 18:00:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA10831 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from word.smith.net.au (ppp5.portal.net.au [202.12.71.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10813 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:00:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04673; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:24:07 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <199712140154.MAA04673@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Chuck Robey cc: Greg Lehey , sthaug@nethelp.no, imp@village.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [jgrosch@mooseriver.com: Re: Beginning SPARC port] In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 1997 19:20:23 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 12:24:07 +1030 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This doesn't really belong on -hackers. > > A multisync monitor isn't a prerequisite for XFree86. Many (most?) > > newer display boards have programmable clocks, so you can set up a > > mode line to generate the correct frequencies for a specific Sun > > monitor. > > Dangerous to give out that advice, Greg. Many older Sun monitors were > single frequency monitors, and while Xfree86 could be prpogrammed to work > with them, during boot, when the monitors are in 640X400, they just can't > handle that at all, and will just burn out while tring to get to X11 mode. This is not the case for any of the Hitachi or Sony chassis that Sun used in the -3 and -4 days; all of these have sync limiting circuits which prevent any damage from out-of-sync conditions. The Hitachi chassis units may make fairly ugly noises when the sync limiter cuts in, depending on the state of several caps in the circuit, but these are relatively harmless. I can't imagine too many people with a -2 vintage monitor wanting to use it, and those that do probably get what they deserve. 8) mike From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Dec 13 22:44:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA14928 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:44:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hardware) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA14895; Sat, 13 Dec 1997 22:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA01071; Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:17:36 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199712140517.GAA01071@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: looking for a decent Soundcard To: braukmann@tse-online.de (Andreas Braukmann) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 06:17:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19971213212305.27688@paert.tse-online.de> from "Andreas Braukmann" at Dec 13, 97 09:22:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hello, > > I'm just thinking of stuffing a decent sound-card into my > FreeBSD workstation and wondering which soundcard to choose. ... > To make a long story short: I'm looking for a sound-card with decent > quality of sound (and signals ...) supported by FreeBSD, the not sure what do you mean by "signals" but if you want a cheap product with decent quality go for the Crystal CS4237-based boards (e.g. AOpen AW35). 16-bit full duplex and fully supported by my driver, it is great for audioconferencing and listening music. I have heard that they have very good drivers for Win95, no idea for NT. Yamaha OPL-SA3 should also be good ones. The OPTI931 (I see many of these boards here in italy) also works and it's dirt cheap, but it's S/N ratio is very bad compared to the above cards. Still, for their price, you probably don't care... [this is in addition to Amancio's suggestion for a PCI card, which at the moment is unsupported though, and I am not sure how easy are they to find in europe] Cheers Luigi -----------------------------+-------------------------------------- Luigi Rizzo | Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it | Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 | via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 | http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ _____________________________|______________________________________