From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 19 15:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA05088 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from falco.kuci.uci.edu (falco.kuci.uci.edu [128.195.131.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA05060 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nguyenpk@kuci.org) Received: (qmail 2978 invoked by uid 1064); 19 Oct 1997 22:18:29 -0000 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nguyen Phi Khanh X-Sender: nguyenpk@falco.kuci.uci.edu To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: To support 2k users.. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) -Khanh nguyenpk@kuci.org nguyenpk@quadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 19 16:38:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08999 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08988; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xN4uH-0001MG-00; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:37:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 16:37:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: Nguyen Phi Khanh cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone > has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple > boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users > on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too > sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k > users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm > curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD > handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) What will these 2k users be doing first of all? This is the most important consideration. What services do these 2k users need? You mention shell users: in my experience, shell use is in decline as most people prefer direct network access via LAN or PPP dial-up. SMP is in FreeBSD-current. FreeBSD-current should be considered expirimental, so unless these 2k users are part of an expiriment, I don't recommend using it. I'm working at site that is 100% FreeBSD with over 12k users. CPU power is the least of my problems. I worry a lot more about i/o needs. > -Khanh > nguyenpk@kuci.org > nguyenpk@quadrunner.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager > E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk > PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 19 18:10:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA14609 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:10:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.san.rr.com (mail-atm.san.rr.com [204.210.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14520; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dt5h1n61.san.rr.com (dt5h1n61.san.rr.com [204.210.31.97]) by mail.san.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA12397; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200108.SAA12397@mail.san.rr.com> From: "Studded" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Nguyen Phi Khanh" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 18:08:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Studded" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone >has any good ideas on what I should do. Someone already mentioned that the key factor is what these users will be doing. :) Another key is how many of them you expect to be logged on concurrently. If you're just supporting shell logins, you can get by with less hardware.. if your users are going to be doing a lot of development, you need more. > I plan on either buying multiple >boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users >on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm curious as to why dual cpu setups as opposed to singles? And in general I would say that more smaller machines will give you more flexibility. > I'm not too sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. This was answered already, but don't count on FreeBSD SMP for any production work. > Anyone supporting 2k >users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm >curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD >handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) The IRC server I help run peaked at 4k+ users (see my .sig :) running on a PII 266 with 128 megs of ram. This was due in large part to the limitations of our ircd (which we are rectifying :), although I suspect that we will be hitting some limits in the OS when we hit 5k or so. Back in the "old days" we ran with 2k users very comfortably on a Ppro 200 with the same ram. An IRC server uses almost no disk i/o, and runs completely in ram. It is highly cpu intensive both for all of the tcp traffic, and processing resynch bursts when another server joins the network after a split. I recommend the following changes to support large numbers of users, based on experience and the kind assistance of one of the core team members (who shall remain nameless unless he wants to wave at y'all :). If you need explanation of any of these, let me know (but try the man pages and mail archives first :). In /etc/make.conf: CFLAGS= -O -pipe COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe In the kernel config file: cpu "I686_CPU" That's the only one you need for a Ppro or PII system. maxusers 512 This may seem high, but our systems that run 1,500 to 2k users bog down if they don't set it this high. My system has maxusers set to 640. options "NMBCLUSTERS=6000" 6k is a good number for servers of 1,500 users or so. You can use netstat -m to see how many mbuf clusters you are using during peak times, and adjust this number to 50% more than that. I've gone as high as 15k with no apparent ill effects. options "MAXMEM=131072" You will want to have more than 64M of ram for a power box. I hope this provides some useful info for you. :) Doug *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 4,168 clients and still growing. :-) *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Oct 19 20:30:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA22237 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22199; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet7.buffnet.net (shovey@buffnet7.buffnet.net [205.246.19.28]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA16051; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Hovey To: Nguyen Phi Khanh cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have over 5k users - I just add boxes - I dont like all my eggs in 1 basket - and freebsd is more rugged than SCO was. On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > > I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone > has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple > boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users > on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too > sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k > users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm > curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD > handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) > > -Khanh > nguyenpk@kuci.org > nguyenpk@quadrunner.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager > E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk > PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 05:40:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA19397 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:40:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA19392 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 05:40:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11362; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344B51DF.7FA29820@club-web.com> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:43:11 -0400 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Salah.Abouzgaia" , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache_1.2.4 (CGI Execution Problem) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Salah.Abouzgaia wrote: > > Hi all, > > O.K. let me put it this way: > > httpd.conf: there is no entry for cgi-bin > srm.conf: ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/etc/httpd/cgi-bin/ > access.conf: > AllowOverride None > Options XBitHack Full (I also tried Options All) > > > The chmod of the scripts in cgi-bin as well the chmod of the html that > uses the cgi script are set to a+x+r (read/execute by all). > I also tested the scripts from the command line without any problems. > > I have no idea why apache looks for cgi-bin in /usr/local/httpd/htdocs. > Even if I create a link to /usr/local/etc/httpd/cgi-bin in > /usr/local/etc/httpd/htdocs and/or create the cgi-bin dir in > /usr/local/etc/httpd/htocs and change the settings in srm.conf > and access.conf to point to this location (Tripp I understand your concern > in terms of security but just for the seek to get it working for now), > apache still does not execute cgi scripts (perl or sh scripts), > instead the browser reads the Perl os sh scripts as text files, and > prints Perl or sh scripts as is on the browser. > Hmm.. ok... It could be one of a few things. Firstly, you might not have finished the tag above (ie the one for htdocs in your access.conf)... but to be honest with you i got rid of the damn line (ScriptAlias) :).. I allow CGI excution from anywhere. Secondly make sure you have the cgi script handler in your srm.conf file. ie. -- part of srm.conf -- AddHandler cgi-script .cgi -- part of srm.conf -- Hope that helps. mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 06:12:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA21184 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from npc.haplink.com.cn ([202.96.192.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA21179 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:11:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xiyuan@npc.haplink.com.cn) Received: (from xiyuan@localhost) by npc.haplink.com.cn (8.8.4/8.6.9) id VAA16697 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:18:25 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:18:25 GMT From: xiyuan qian Message-Id: <199710202118.VAA16697@npc.haplink.com.cn> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: A question with IBM PC 520 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Would you please do me a favior to tell me whether FreeBSD2.2 can run on IBM PC Server 520. When I installed the Freebsd2.2 box in my IBM PC Server 320, all worked very well, but when I setup the same hard disk to my PC Server520, it always showed me " read error" message or "no operator system". Why? Best regaurds! --xiyuan From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 06:56:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA23530 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA23520 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsmith@sig.net) Received: from austin.aus.sig.net (austin.sig.net [199.1.78.2]) by austin.aus.sig.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA19410; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:52:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:52:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Thad Smith X-Sender: tsmith@austin.aus.sig.net To: xiyuan qian cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: A question with IBM PC 520 In-Reply-To: <199710202118.VAA16697@npc.haplink.com.cn> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, xiyuan qian wrote: > Hi, Would you please do me a favior to tell me whether FreeBSD2.2 can run on > IBM PC Server 520. When I installed the Freebsd2.2 box in my IBM PC Server 320, > all worked very well, but when I setup the same hard disk to my PC Server520, > it always showed me " read error" message or "no operator system". Why? Sounds like it's might not be recognizing the harddrive. Go into your cmos on startup and make sure it has the right harddrive (auto detect works great on most PC's). Also, make sure that the hd is on the first ide interface. Good Luck, Thad > > Best regaurds! > > --xiyuan > ___________________"We make the Internet work."___________________ Thad Smith tsmith@sig.net Technical Support helpdesk@sig.net SigNet Partners Inc. http://www.sig.net 512.306.0700 800.396.5158 fax: 512.306.0702 Tell us what you think; use the reply form at the address above! __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 17:32:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA02957 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from weblock.tm.net.my (weblock.tm.net.my [202.188.0.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02949; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sweeting@tm.net.my) Received: from lovebox ([202.184.153.17]) by weblock.tm.net.my (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 581-40942U100000L100000S0) with SMTP id AAA21170; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:33:21 +0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971021082813.00984e80@mail.tm.net.my> X-Sender: sweeting@mail.tm.net.my X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) To: Steve Hovey From: chas Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:33:21 +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry to trouble you, Just a simple question that has been intriguing me for a while - if you have 5K users, on several boxes. How do you make them all have the same email domain ? userx@domain.com ? Not that I am faced with this situation but i've been wondering how you do it without specifying that box1 is dept1.domain.com and box2 is dept2.domain.com etc... ie. If you have your users split over 4 boxes, and all with userx@domain.com, how do you route mail to the correct box ? Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious, Chas >I have over 5k users - I just add boxes - I dont like all my eggs in 1 >basket - and freebsd is more rugged than SCO was. > > >On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Nguyen Phi Khanh wrote: > >> >> I'm planning on supporting 2000 users and I'm wondering if anyone >> has any good ideas on what I should do. I plan on either buying multiple >> boxes of Dual Pentium Pro machines to support a fraction of the 2k users >> on FreeBSD or BSD/OS, *or* buy one or two Sun Sparc Ultras. I'm not too >> sure how well FreeBSD or BSD/OS does SMP either. Anyone supporting 2k >> users willing to give me any advice on how I should approach this? I'm >> curious as to how many shell users can one Dual PPro 200 box running FBSD >> handle. Any suggestions or ideas or speculations would be welcomed. :) >> >> -Khanh >> nguyenpk@kuci.org >> nguyenpk@quadrunner.com >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager >> E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk >> PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >> >> >> > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 20:00:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12078 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:00:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.210.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA12013 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom by misery.sdf.com with smtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0xNUWU-00027n-00; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:58:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:58:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom To: chas cc: Steve Hovey , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971021082813.00984e80@mail.tm.net.my> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, chas wrote: > Sorry to trouble you, > > Just a simple question that has been intriguing me for > a while - if you have 5K users, on several boxes. > How do you make them all have the same email domain ? > userx@domain.com ? > > Not that I am faced with this situation but i've > been wondering how you do it without specifying > that box1 is dept1.domain.com > and box2 is dept2.domain.com > etc... You do header rewriting (or masquerading, depending on your MTA), to rewrite all e-mail to come from the common domain. For receiving mail, you keep a database of what host holds what mailbox, and keep the database synced between servers, then route it over to the correct server (if needed). Easy to do in Sendmail (and Exim, or Smail). I much prefer putting e-mail on a dedicated, closed server. Basically a server per task, rather than a bunch of servers all doing the same tasks. > ie. If you have your users split over 4 boxes, and all > with userx@domain.com, how do you route mail to the > correct box ? > > Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious, > > Chas Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 20:15:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA12831 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.informador.com.mx (ns.informador.com.mx [200.34.234.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12825 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from felipe@informador.com.mx) Received: from informador.com.mx (asyncu-a.informador.com.mx [200.34.234.245]) by ns.informador.com.mx (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03100 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:15:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <344B85A5.63942B29@informador.com.mx> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:24:06 +0700 From: "Felipe Rivera M." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Recomendatios for a good way to set a modem poll to provide access? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there Not so much time ago in this list i red a good discussion on livingston portmaster's VS ascend access servers (livingston got the best comments) and now my question is: Do you recomend access servers from other companies? (cisco? are there any others?) how reliable is a FreeBSD box with a multiport card and modems and pppd? are there digital modems with a rs-232 interface so i'm able to connect them to the multiport card? (i know this is cheaper than access servers) or good, reliable 33.6 external modems? other ways? Thanx for your comments :) If all my questions are in a FAQ, please let me know From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Oct 20 20:41:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA14442 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from proxy.unpar.ac.id (proxy.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14430 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:41:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatut@student.unpar.ac.id) Received: from student.unpar.ac.id (student.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.58]) by proxy.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08209; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:24:27 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from localhost (gatut@localhost) by student.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5.D) with SMTP id LAA04447; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:11:58 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:11:58 +0700 (JAVT) From: V Gatut Harijoso To: chas cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Tom wrote: > On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, chas wrote: > > Sorry to trouble you, > > Just a simple question that has been intriguing me for > > a while - if you have 5K users, on several boxes. > > How do you make them all have the same email domain ? > > userx@domain.com ? > You do header rewriting (or masquerading, depending on your MTA), to > rewrite all e-mail to come from the common domain. For receiving mail, > you keep a database of what host holds what mailbox, and keep the > database synced between servers, then route it over to the correct server > (if needed). Easy to do in Sendmail (and Exim, or Smail). > I much prefer putting e-mail on a dedicated, closed server. Basically a > server per task, rather than a bunch of servers all doing the same tasks. > > > ie. If you have your users split over 4 boxes, and all > > with userx@domain.com, how do you route mail to the > > correct box ? > > > > Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious, > > > > Chas A simple idea. Example: If you have dedicated server for receiving mail. Use this to be your @domain.com. For sendmail, edit your /etc/aliases like this: gatut: gatut@student.unpar.ac.id chas: tom@tm.net.my So, mail to gatut@domain.com will be forwarded to me, and mail to chas@domain.com to you. > Tom From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 03:24:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA05538 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA05532 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20513; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:19 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <344C81E2.6201DD56@cablenet.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:20:18 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Felipe Rivera M." CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recomendatios for a good way to set a modem poll to provide access? References: <344B85A5.63942B29@informador.com.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Felipe Rivera M. wrote: > > Hi there > > Not so much time ago in this list i red a good discussion on > livingston portmaster's VS ascend access servers (livingston got the > best comments) and now my question is: > > Do you recomend access servers from other companies? (cisco? are > there any others?) > how reliable is a FreeBSD box with a multiport card and modems and pppd? It's very reliable, it is freebsd after all. I've been happy with my term server setup and had no problems with it since moving away from linux. The problem with this setup is the modem rack and the multiport card and it becomes an issue of density. For small isps with less than 100 lines it is manageable but beyond that they take up too much space. I have a rack mount PC and the modem rack which take up 11u and provide capacity for 48 analogue only lines. My new PM3 takes up 2u of space and supports 60 analogue or ISDN calls. If someone were to come up with a PCI card that does the same job as the PM3 then it would be an absolute winner. The one advantage that a freebsd term server has over an access servers is the programming capability. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 10:06:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA25319 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25302 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA01329; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19971021100634.20831@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:06:34 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Damian Hamill Cc: "Felipe Rivera M." , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Recomendatios for a good way to set a modem poll to provide access? References: <344B85A5.63942B29@informador.com.mx> <344C81E2.6201DD56@cablenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: <344C81E2.6201DD56@cablenet.net>; from Damian Hamill on Tue, Oct 21, 1997 at 11:20:18AM +0100 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Damian Hamill scribbled this message on Oct 21: > It's very reliable, it is freebsd after all. I've been happy with my > term server setup and had no problems with it since moving away from > linux. The problem with this setup is the modem rack and the multiport > card and it becomes an issue of density. For small isps with less than > 100 lines it is manageable but beyond that they take up too much space. > I have a rack mount PC and the modem rack which take up 11u and provide > capacity for 48 analogue only lines. My new PM3 takes up 2u of space > and supports 60 analogue or ISDN calls. > > If someone were to come up with a PCI card that does the same job as the > PM3 then it would be an absolute winner. The one advantage that a > freebsd term server has over an access servers is the programming > capability. well.. there was a person who posted looking for isp's to help develope a freebsd device driver for a card that will take two T1's and have the neccessary dsp's on board... I still have the message if your interested, I was thinking it would be VERY nice to have a machine like this and stick four of 'em in a machine.. :) I'm not sure on the actual card type though... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 13:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA07675 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net ([207.3.81.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA07670 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@tri-lakes.net) Received: from [207.3.81.149] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id aa309634 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:21:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.1 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <344C81E2.6201DD56@cablenet.net> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:17:37 -0000 (GMT) From: Chris Dillon To: Damian Hamill Subject: Re: Recomendatios for a good way to set a modem poll to provide Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, "Felipe Rivera M." Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 21-Oct-97 Damian Hamill wrote: >If someone were to come up with a PCI card that does the same job as the >PM3 then it would be an absolute winner. The one advantage that a >freebsd term server has over an access servers is the programming >capability. Someone HAS... There have been several posts to this list from someone wanting to test FreeBSD drivers for their... uh... I don't know what to call it. :-) It has quite a few programmable DSP's on a single card that can take incoming digital or analog calls (24 at a time, i think it was). The company that was doing this completely eludes me now. You could look in the list archives. --- Chris Dillon --- cdillon@tri-lakes.net --- Powered by FreeBSD, the best free OS on the planet. ---- (http://www.freebsd.org) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 15:22:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA13747 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bailin.lan (dialup1-23.ASPI.net [207.228.215.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA13733 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ndelmore@usa.net) Received: from warped [192.168.0.1] by bailin.lan [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b3.32-R) for ; Tue, 21 Oct 97 18:20:13 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971021182012.0098ad50@bailin.lan> X-Sender: ndelmore@bailin.lan X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:20:12 -0400 To: linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org From: "N. Del More" Subject: Router Cards? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does any one have any experience or knowledge about the Emerging Technologies ET/5025x or the SDL Communications WANic or RISCom boards insofar as their suitabilty as a router is concerned? Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo ... instant router. Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the surface especially for a startup like me. Thanks Noel +-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ | N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | | inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | | InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | | http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | | http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | | http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | +------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 16:19:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA17154 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:19:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from host.berk.com (berk.com [207.16.104.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17149 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rip@berk.com) Received: from [207.16.107.33] by host.berk.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA15504; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:17:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:17:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9710212317.AA15504@host.berk.com> X-Sender: ber00021@berk.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "N. Del More" From: Jim Subject: Re: Router Cards? Cc: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Neol, Yes, I have the Emerging Technologies ET/5025-16bit ISA card. Ordered it, along with the correct v.35 connector, got it 2 days later, plugged it in, recompiled the kernel, loaded up the driver and was off. It is very attractive, very simple, and very cheap. I would recommend it over a highly priced CISCO for a small ISP. They have a PCI version of the card I have which may perform better, but I have had no problems whatsoever. There is also another option that costs extra that is very attractive, the bandwidth manager. It is a software based bandwidth manager that ET also makes that supports everything from limiting data sent/received from a certain port, to ip filtering. That, along with the ET/5025 is cheap and very attractive. If you have any more questions, ask away.. -Jim Palmer rip@berk.com jp@overset.com At 06:20 PM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Does any one have any experience or knowledge about the Emerging >Technologies ET/5025x or the SDL Communications WANic or RISCom boards >insofar as their suitabilty as a router is concerned? > >Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a >spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo >... instant router. > >Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the >surface especially for a startup like me. > >Thanks >Noel > > >+-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ >| N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | >| inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | >| InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | >| http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | >| http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | >| http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | >+------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 16:42:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA18467 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from negril.msrce.howard.edu (negril.msrce.howard.edu [138.238.128.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA18454 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jackson@msrce.howard.edu) From: jackson@msrce.howard.edu Received: from localhost by negril.msrce.howard.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/24Feb97-8.2MPM) id AA03390; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:33:49 -0400 Message-Id: <9710212333.AA03390@negril.msrce.howard.edu> To: gatut@student.unpar.ac.id Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: To support 2k users.. Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 19:33:43 -0400 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Tom wrote: >> On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, chas wrote: >> > Just a simple question that has been intriguing me for >> > a while - if you have 5K users, on several boxes. >> > How do you make them all have the same email domain ? >> > userx@domain.com ? >> You do header rewriting (or masquerading, depending on your MTA), to >> rewrite all e-mail to come from the common domain. For receiving mail, >> you keep a database of what host holds what mailbox, and keep the >> database synced between servers, then route it over to the correct server >> (if needed). Easy to do in Sendmail (and Exim, or Smail). >> I much prefer putting e-mail on a dedicated, closed server. Basically a >> server per task, rather than a bunch of servers all doing the same tasks. >> >> > ie. If you have your users split over 4 boxes, and all >> > with userx@domain.com, how do you route mail to the >> > correct box ? >> > >> > Apologies if I am overlooking something obvious, >> > >> > Chas > > >A simple idea. Example: > >If you have dedicated server for receiving mail. Use this to be your >@domain.com. For sendmail, edit your /etc/aliases like this: > >gatut: gatut@student.unpar.ac.id >chas: tom@tm.net.my > >So, mail to gatut@domain.com will be forwarded to me, and mail to >chas@domain.com to you. > >> Tom An MX entry in the hosts.db file should be able to re-route incomming mail directed to any address or domain, of course the return address should be taken care of by the MTA. for a host: host IN A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IN MX 10 firsthost IN MX 100 backuphost IN MX 110 secondbackup So any mail directed to host.domain.com will first tried to be delivered to firsthost, if not, then to backuphost and so on... Or for a domain, after the SOA entry @ ( a bunch of SOA junk) IN MX 10 firsthost IN MX 100 backuphost IN MX 110 secondbackup Any mail to user@domain.com will first tried to be delivered to firsthost, if not, then to backuphost and so on... Aaron Jackson jackson@msrce.howard.edu From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 21 17:22:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA20943 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wireless.wdc.net (wireless.wdc.net [204.140.136.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20934 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (uhf.wdc.net [198.147.74.44]) by wireless.wdc.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29488; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA01823; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: Chris Dillon cc: Damian Hamill , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, "Felipe Rivera M." Subject: Re: Recomendatios for a good way to set a modem poll to provide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Someone HAS... There have been several posts to this list from someone > wanting to test FreeBSD drivers for their... uh... I don't know what to > call it. :-) It has quite a few programmable DSP's on a single card that > can take incoming digital or analog calls (24 at a time, i think it was). > The company that was doing this completely eludes me now. You could look > in the list archives. Phylon. See http://www.phylon.com. 48,60, and 72 channels on one PCI card, but you can't buy them for FreeBSD yet, but RSN. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 01:12:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA15536 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15531 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:12:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manar@ivision.co.uk) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk [194.154.62.72] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0xNvtj-0006Nd-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:12:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:12:11 +0100 (BST) From: Manar Hussain Reply-To: Manar Hussain To: freebsd-ISP@freebsd.org cc: linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Router Cards? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971021182012.0098ad50@bailin.lan> Message-ID: Organisation: Internet Vision MIME-Version: 1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >To: linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org ^^^^^^^^ Hmm >Does any one have any experience or knowledge about the Emerging >Technologies ET/5025x or the SDL Communications WANic or RISCom boards >insofar as their suitabilty as a router is concerned? > >Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a >spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo >... instant router. > >Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the >surface especially for a startup like me. We've been using an ISA based RISCom card for about 18 months now with no problems at all. The driver for it back at the start was a bit ropey so we used Linux but switched to FreeBSD a while back when that was more resolved. Never given us any trouble. We only plug into a 64K line but I wouldn't expect any trouble for anything up to T1 with the current crop of cards you'd be looking at. That said - in terms of price there isn't all that much in it. What's a Cisco 2501 - about $1600. You do get potentially much more flexibility with a unix box though and you could also run services on it (rolling your mail and DNS server with the router into one box the early days of an ISP may be totally viable and sound attractive - you could probably also add a web server on there too if it was reasonably spec'd/setup) Manar From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 01:52:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA17537 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:52:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.micon.dk ([194.192.112.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA17532 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from npp@neg-micon.dk) Received: by mail.micon.dk(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.1 (385.6 5-6-1997)) id 41256538.00383BD0 ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:14:13 +0100 X-Lotus-FromDomain: NEG MICON From: "Nicolai Petri" To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <41256538.00360C59.00@mail.micon.dk> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:52:15 +0100 Subject: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? Bye, Nicolai Petri From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 04:10:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA23024 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA23010 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:10:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA7621; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:08:24 +0200 Message-ID: <344DDECD.E31D3FFC@pipeline.ch> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:09:01 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicolai Petri CC: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <41256538.00360C59.00@mail.micon.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nicolai Petri wrote: > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing > between 2 > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? Yes yes yes, it is possible! I've done some performance tests in the past with 2.2.2 on a P5-133/ 16MB/1GB/PCI/2 3c90x set up as router and firewall. I've got more than 8 MegaBytes/s through with FTP (that is pure data, you have to add the FTP/IP/Ethernet overhead), that is almost the maximum 100M Ethernet bandwidth. The CPU was av. 0.02! -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 04:59:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA24443 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bagpuss.visint.co.uk (bagpuss.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA24431 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@visint.co.uk) Received: from dylan.visint.co.uk (dylan.visint.co.uk [194.207.134.180]) by bagpuss.visint.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA22458 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:59:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:58:49 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Roome To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Sendmail question AND an unrelated internic problem. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ::Firstly, the sensible question. Can I limit all internal email (within a domain) to 30k per email, but I want to limit all external mail to 2MB. (or rather how do I do it!) [This is just to stop the idiots here sending huge attachments to someone who's actually got it all mounted through samba/windows/netatalk anyway.] ::Secondly, the unrelated internic question: Has anyone else had any problems registering a domain through internic lately, (since they moved to "excessive form version 3.5"). They keep sending forms back to me saying they are still version 3.0 (which incidentally, they aren't). [I know it's not FreeBSD related, but I can't think of another large group of people who probably register a lot of domains other than the numbers of spam folks - who I really don't fancy emailing.] Many Thanks in advance. Steve Roome. Steve Roome - Vision Interactive Ltd. Tel:+44(0)117 9730597 Home:+44(0)976 241342 WWW: http://dylan.visint.co.uk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 06:52:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA29268 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:52:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bert.club-web.com (bert.club-web.com [207.176.196.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29249 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from club-web.com (ernie.club-web.com [207.176.196.12]) by bert.club-web.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26442; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344E0573.17706B7@club-web.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:53:56 -0400 From: Mark Segal Organization: Club-Web Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02b7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Roome CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail question AND an unrelated internic problem. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Roome wrote: > ::Secondly, the unrelated internic question: > > Has anyone else had any problems registering a domain through internic > lately, (since they moved to "excessive form version 3.5"). ya it's reral simple... remove all the terms and usage stuff.. and your left with a nice one page form... :) mark -- Mark Segal mark@club-web.com System Administrator - Club-Web Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 09:20:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA08741 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from tabby.kudra.com (gw.kudra.com [199.6.44.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08732 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robert@kudra.com) Received: (from robert@localhost) by tabby.kudra.com (8.8.6/8.6.12) id MAA01205 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Sexton Message-Id: <199710221620.MAA01205@tabby.kudra.com> Subject: ijppp grief - instant hangup To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:20:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy. I'm using ijppp with a USR sportster 33.6, connected to Com2 (16550A), at 57600. /dev/ttyd1 The port is not used for dial out. The port works great for shell use, but exhibits a strange behaviour when used with ppp. Everything works normally, except that whan you dial in after closing a session, you get an immediate hangup after connect. Dial in again, and everything is back to normal. Modem is set up with the usual stuff: cts/rts, &C1 &D2, E0 Q1. also -clocal, hupcl. Is mdmbuf appropriate? As another data point: when using ppp with ppp -direct, if you simply execute it, as opposed to exec'ing. Dropped carrier kills ppp, but not the shell. Just how is the sighup getting blocked? Thanks for any suggestions. -- Robert Sexton - robert@kudra.com, Cincinnati OH, USA There's safety in numbers... Large prime numbers. - John Gilmore From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 10:34:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13851 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13838 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xO4eN-00048x-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:32:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 To: Nicolai Petri cc: freebsd-ISP@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <41256538.00360C59.00@mail.micon.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but a good Cisco router will really perform. On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? > > Bye, > Nicolai Petri > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 10:45:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA14416 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from srv.net (snake.srv.net [199.104.81.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14364; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:44:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cmott@srv.net) Received: from darkstar.home (dialin1.anlw.anl.gov [141.221.254.101]) by srv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA21235; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:43:53 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:43:21 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Mott X-Sender: cmott@darkstar.home To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Password files and virtual IP addresses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Suppose that one wanted to create different virtual IP addresses with ifconfig alias, and when people telnet or ftp or access pop3/imap2 at a virtual address, a password file specific to that virtual address would be used. This would allow username re-use. Has this sort of thing been considered before? If not, what sort of things would have to be hacked? If password access routines could somehow be informed what virtual address they were being accessed from, then it would be possible to have multiple password files. Of course, there are always unintended security implications to doing these things... Charles Mott From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 12:39:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA21396 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su (skraldespand.demos.su [194.87.5.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21380 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mishania@skraldespand.demos.su) Received: (from mishania@localhost) by skraldespand.demos.su (8.8.7/D) id XAA07299; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:38:46 +0400 (MSD) Posted-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:38:46 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <19971022233845.33007@skraldespand.demos.su> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:38:46 +0400 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: [mishania@demos.su: Segment Violation/1.1.[11,14,17]] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.75 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Maybe you guys would be of any help ? This was sent to squid-users list, but no luck yet. Hello, I am watching segment violation/abort traps on squid's 1.1.[11,14,16,17] for several days after installed FreeBSD 3.0-SMP. It won't drop core as well :-( I tracked down the very last queries before it happens, one of such is attached below. Any input will be greately appreciated, since squid is crashing each 2/3 minutes or maybe seconds sometimes. Sometimes it's steady for hours, though. Here's what may be significant: Compilation options: -DUSE_PULL, -DLOG_FULL_HEADERS, -DUSERAGENT_LOG (well, tried -DUSE_BIN_TREE also, - the squid.conf's is quite big). Spool: tried not to use -noatime,nosync; tried different spool sizes. now it's 15gb, was - 2gb and 9 gb, with swap_levels 256/16, 16/16, 16/256.. Memory: squid.conf's - 64 vm allowed, login.conf's - unlimited RAM - 256 Mb Client's simultaneous average rate: ~290/300, maximum - 500. Still, I have another machine, running 3.0-current, where squid missbehaved as well, with the same signs, but now it's stable and happy with it's 1.1.11 (sigh :-(). Hardware is the same, the only difference is it have 128 vm allowed. Thank you in advance, -- -mishania, who is upset. 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 128.182.72.190 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pb.cache.nlanr.net: ack_deficit = 2 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Peer sv.cache.nlanr.net 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pinging peer sv.cache.nlanr.net for 'http:/ /www.viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: key = '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/pro d/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: reqnum = 151 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 192.203.230.19 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: sv.cache.nlanr.net: ack_deficit = 2 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Peer proxy.aha.ru 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pinging peer proxy.aha.ru for 'http://www.v iewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: key = '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/pro d/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: reqnum = 151 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 195.2.65.5 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: proxy.aha.ru: ack_deficit = 98 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Peer eye.wplus.net 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pinging peer eye.wplus.net for 'http://www. viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: key = '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/pro d/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: reqnum = 151 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 194.8.160.89 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: eye.wplus.net: ack_deficit = 2 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Peer cache.itep.ru 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pinging peer cache.itep.ru for 'http://www. viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: key = '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/pro d/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: reqnum = 151 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 193.124.227.17 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: cache.itep.ru: ack_deficit = 2 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Peer cache2.itep.ru 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: pinging peer cache2.itep.ru for 'http://www .viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: key = '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/pro d/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: reqnum = 151 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpSend: Queueing ICP_QUERY for 193.124.227.18 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: cache2.itep.ru: ack_deficit = 2 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpPing: Source Ping is disabled. 97/10/22 19:27:53| ipcache_call_pending: Called 1 handlers. 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 194.190.194.39 port 31 32 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 195.54.192.42 port 313 0 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 194.87.5.43 port 3130 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 198.17.46.59 port 3130 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 128.182.72.190 port 31 30 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 192.203.230.19 port 31 30 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 195.2.65.5 port 3130 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 194.8.160.89 port 3130 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 193.124.227.17 port 31 30 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpUdpReply: FD 47 sending 66 bytes to 193.124.227.18 port 31 30 97/10/22 19:27:53| comm_select: 1 sockets ready at 877534073 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpHandleUdp: FD 47: received 4706 bytes from 194.87.5.43. 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpHandleIcpV2: ICP_HIT_OBJ from 194.87.5.43 for 'http://www. viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| storeGeneratePrivateKey: 'http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/prod0 01.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpHandleIcpV2: Looking for key '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic .com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| storeGet: looking up 151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/pr od001.htm 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpAck: opcode 23 'http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/pro d001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| whichPeer: from 194.87.5.43 port 3130 97/10/22 19:27:53| neighborsUdpAck: ICP_HIT_OBJ for 'http://www.viewsonic.com/pr od/prod001.htm' from proxy.dol.ru 97/10/22 19:27:53| protoCancelTimeout: FD 49 'http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/prod 001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpProcessReplyHeader: key '151/GET/http://www.viewsonic.com /prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| GOT HTTP REPLY HDR: --------- HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:35:03 GMT Allow: GET, HEAD Server: Oracle_Web_Listener_NT_2.1.0.3.1/1.20in2 Content-Length: 4405 Content-Type: text/html Last-Modified: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:57:46 GMT URI: ---------- 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: HTTP/1.0 200 OK 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:35:03 GMT 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Allow: GET, HEAD 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Server: Oracle_Web_Listener_NT_2.1.0.3 .1/1.20in2 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Content-Length: 4405 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Content-Type: text/html 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: Last-Modified: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:57: 46 GMT 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpParseReplyHeaders: URI: 97/10/22 19:27:53| httpProcessReplyHeader: HTTP CODE: 200 97/10/22 19:27:53| storeGeneratePublicKey: type=1 http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/ prod001.htm 97/10/22 19:27:53| storeHashInsert: Inserting Entry 0x396ec0 key 'http://www.vie wsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| storeAppend: appending 4642 bytes for 'http://www.viewsonic.c om/prod/prod001.htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| memAppend: len 4642 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpHandleStore: FD 49 'http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/prod001. htm' 97/10/22 19:27:53| icpSendMoreData: 'http://www.viewsonic.com/prod/prod001.htm' sz 0: len 4642: off 0. 97/10/22 19:27:53| memCopy: offset 0: size 4096 FATAL: Received Segment Violation...dying. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 15:09:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03235 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03211; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA13172; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:09:25 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:09:24 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Charles Mott cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charles Mott wrote: > Suppose that one wanted to create different virtual > IP addresses with ifconfig alias, and when people telnet > or ftp or access pop3/imap2 at a virtual address, a > password file specific to that virtual address would be > used. This would allow username re-use. You *could* do it by hacking getpw*(3) and including a call to getsockname(2). I do it by building virtual machines using a hacked inetd(8) which does a getsockname(2) followed by a chroot(2) to the virtual machine. The vm needs to have ld.so and lib/* etc, etc, etc. It is great for allowing telnet access to web sites while preventing customers from peeking at each other's stuff. /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 16:25:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08896 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:25:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08885 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA03391; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971022185407.009ef470@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:54:57 -0400 To: Dru Nelson , Nicolai Petri From: dennis Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 10:32 AM 10/22/97 -0700, Dru Nelson wrote: > >I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. >cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. >there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. > >I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but >a good Cisco router will really perform. > >On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: > >> >> Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 >> 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? Cisco IOS is not fast in itself....what cisco router you use will yield much different results. FreeBSD on a Pentium 133 will outperform a 4500 series generally...and dollar for dollar you cant compare a P200 with a 7500 series. A freebsd box with 4 T1s and a 100Mb/s will totally blow the doors off a 4500 series....routing 2 ethernets should be linearly comparable. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 16:25:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA08912 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (root@nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08892; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id TAA02620; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , "Charles Mott" Cc: , Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:24:20 -0400 Message-ID: <01bcdf41$9f805fb0$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id QAA08901 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What about the problem with "username re-use" with the effective UIDs of the users? Wouldn't 'webmaster@somedomain.com' and 'webmaster@anotherdomain.com' effectively have the same UID (excluding Sendmail tables/ tricks)? That is, if both users physically log in to the server with the user of 'webmaster'. How would you bypass the UIDs physically recorded in the UFS directory structure? G.M.E. -----Original Message----- From: Daniel O'Callaghan To: Charles Mott Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG ; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 7:04 PM Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses | |On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charles Mott wrote: | |> Suppose that one wanted to create different virtual |> IP addresses with ifconfig alias, and when people telnet |> or ftp or access pop3/imap2 at a virtual address, a |> password file specific to that virtual address would be |> used. This would allow username re-use. | |You *could* do it by hacking getpw*(3) and including a call to |getsockname(2). | |I do it by building virtual machines using a hacked inetd(8) which does a |getsockname(2) followed by a chroot(2) to the virtual machine. The vm |needs to have ld.so and lib/* etc, etc, etc. It is great for allowing |telnet access to web sites while preventing customers from peeking at |each other's stuff. | | |/* Daniel O'Callaghan */ |/* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ |/* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ | | | From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 16:45:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA10066 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:45:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10038; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13299; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:44:14 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:44:14 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "George M. Ellenburg" cc: Charles Mott , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses In-Reply-To: <01bcdf41$9f805fb0$f828cccf@caffeine> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, George M. Ellenburg wrote: > | > |I do it by building virtual machines using a hacked inetd(8) which does a > |getsockname(2) followed by a chroot(2) to the virtual machine. The vm > |needs to have ld.so and lib/* etc, etc, etc. It is great for allowing > |telnet access to web sites while preventing customers from peeking at > |each other's stuff. > What about the problem with "username re-use" with the effective UIDs of > the users? Wouldn't 'webmaster@somedomain.com' and > 'webmaster@anotherdomain.com' effectively have the same UID (excluding > Sendmail tables/ tricks)? That is, if both users physically log in to the > server with the user of 'webmaster'. How would you bypass the UIDs > physically recorded in the UFS directory structure? No. You have separate /etc directories for each vm and you can use different uids. Even if the uid is the same from one vm to another, how much does it matter? It only matters in that you, the sysadmin, can't tell who owns a file specifically without doing a pwd to find out which vm you are in. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 16:53:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA10501 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10494 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xOAZp-0002A3-00; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:52:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 Reply-To: Dru Nelson To: dennis cc: Nicolai Petri , freebsd-ISP@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971022185407.009ef470@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. > >cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. > >there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. > > > Cisco IOS is not fast in itself....what cisco router you use will yield > much different results. FreeBSD on a Pentium 133 will outperform > a 4500 series generally...and dollar for dollar you cant compare > a P200 with a 7500 series. That is why I mentioned 'silicon switching' instead of IOS. For this guy's application, FreeBSD might be fine (as I also mentioned) Yeah, but a 7500 can do many things a P200 can't. So when you need to do those things, a 7500 is the only game in town. Also, it is hard to beat a 2500 on Rack space :-) > A freebsd box with 4 T1s and a 100Mb/s will totally blow the doors off > a 4500 series....routing 2 ethernets should be linearly comparable. I don't use a 4500, and haven't heard of many ISP's getting 100mb connections. However, I doubt a 4500 will get it's doors blown off. (100 base-T support on the 4500's is poor to begin with) So, for a two segment system with bastion hosts on one and the regular network on the other, BSD would probably do better. I'm not trying to start a Freebsd vs. Cisco war here. Each has their strengths. When it comes to running a NOC, I prefer to run routing on Cisco, throughout. When it comes to running a web server, FreeBSD wins hands down. Dru From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 17:53:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA14538 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14511 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net (cocosey@[202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id AAA09518; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:53:23 GMT Message-ID: <344E9E62.7623@seychelles.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 04:46:26 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG CC: portmaster-users@livingston.com Subject: Only one way communication Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI, I have a pm2e ( COMOS 3.5)with freebsd running my dns and smtp mail server. I have configured one port of PM2E for a lease line client with wiinNT3.51 and Exchange4.0 with Internet mail connector. THey have a domain abc.com.sc. I am able to make a lease line connection and ping wihtout a problem ip's and domain names from the NT box. I am also able to send mail to user@abc.com.sc. But no mail can be sent out from the NT box. It seem to make the smtp connection to my mail server but then times out from the looks of the logs. Any ideas where the bug is???? Thanx a million as this is a urgent job. -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax :+248 324565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 21:05:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA26113 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from proxy.unpar.ac.id (proxy.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26108 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatut@student.unpar.ac.id) Received: from student.unpar.ac.id (student.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.58]) by proxy.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05599 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:48:59 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from localhost (gatut@localhost) by student.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5.D) with SMTP id LAA24700 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:35:44 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:35:43 +0700 (JAVT) From: V Gatut Harijoso To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Connect time limit In-Reply-To: <344E9E62.7623@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I read in man login.conf (since 2.2.2?) that it is possible to put connection accounting time, something like 'idletime' (maximum idle time), monthtime (max login time per month), etc. But, I cannot activate. Is the feature not supported yet? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 22:06:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA28893 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:06:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from wireless.4d.net (wireless.4d.net [207.137.156.159]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA28888 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bad@uhf.wireless.net) Received: from uhf.wireless.net (uhf.wireless.net [207.137.157.140]) by wireless.4d.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA03172; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (bad@localhost) by uhf.wireless.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07078; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:08:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernie Doehner To: V Gatut Harijoso cc: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Connect time limit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I read in man login.conf (since 2.2.2?) that it is possible to put > connection accounting time, something like 'idletime' (maximum idle time), > monthtime (max login time per month), etc. > > But, I cannot activate. Is the feature not supported yet? > Thanks. Not sure about 2.2.2, but under 3.0, the third field in /etc/master.passwd (the normaly empty field after GID), contains the class you want a user to be in. 3.0 adduser also asks you about login class. Hope that helps. Bernie From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 22:17:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA29297 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from falco.kuci.uci.edu (falco.kuci.uci.edu [128.195.131.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA29292 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:17:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nguyenpk@kuci.org) Received: (qmail 4335 invoked by uid 1064); 23 Oct 1997 05:17:35 -0000 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nguyen Phi Khanh X-Sender: nguyenpk@falco.kuci.uci.edu To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: limiting users from cd-ing to directories. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It's come to my attention that there's supposedly a method to limit users from cd-ing out of the home directory of their account. Say, if a user's home directory is /home/users/johndoe, then he can't cd to /home/users or /home or even to any other system directory but his own and the subdirectories within his home directory. If this is true, how is it done? Supposedly login.conf? -Khanh nguyenpk@kuci.org nguyenpk@quadrunner.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Phi Khanh Nguyen Network Manager E-mail nguyenpk@kuci.org for Public Key http://kuci.org/~nguyenpk PGP Key fingerprint = 4B B3 5B 7D 21 95 67 23 58 9C AD 64 44 57 CC 5D ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 22 23:28:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA02561 for isp-outgoing; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [207.67.172.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02555 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA01521; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:28:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Shawn Ramsey To: Nguyen Phi Khanh cc: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: limiting users from cd-ing to directories. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It's come to my attention that there's supposedly a method to > limit users from cd-ing out of the home directory of their account. Say, > if a user's home directory is /home/users/johndoe, then he can't cd to > /home/users or /home or even to any other system directory but his own and > the subdirectories within his home directory. If this is true, how is it > done? Supposedly login.conf? Its done with wu-ftpd, and making the users home directory /usr/home/users/./ and putting something like this in ftpaccess : guestgroup ftpusers then all users in ftpusers would be limited to their home directory(provided they have a /./ at the end) Someone please correct me if im wrong, its been awhile since I set that up. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 00:45:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA06980 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:45:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (ernie@spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA06974 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:45:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id RAA26944 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:45:37 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199710230745.RAA26944@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Squid 1.1.16 breaking under load X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:45:37 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone had squid 1.1.16 break under load? It comes up with a can't xmalloc memory error and squid quits with a signal 6 for a few minutes until RunCache restarts it. Seem to not happen under light loads. The kern.log is full of messages like the following: Oct 23 15:03:08 gammy /kernel: pid 637 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 15:11:40 gammy /kernel: pid 739 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 15:22:53 gammy /kernel: pid 814 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 15:39:28 gammy /kernel: pid 861 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 15:50:59 gammy /kernel: pid 1829 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 16:00:06 gammy /kernel: pid 2445 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 Oct 23 16:13:38 gammy /kernel: pid 2539 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 It's only started happening since I went from 1.1.15 to 1.1.16 yesterday. I also cvsup'd the latest 2.2.2-STABLE and built a fresh kernel at the same time to complicate things. I am keen to know if anyone else has had the same problem, or is it just unique to my server in which case I will set up a fresh drive and swap it out. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 01:00:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA07759 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA07751; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07182; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd007180; Thu Oct 23 07:54:55 1997 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:53:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Charles Mott cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a whole virtual machine using chroot, and a few other tricks such as a hacked inetd. It was described recently on either hackers or questions (I forget which) by Doug Ambrisko. (I think it was questions) julian On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charles Mott wrote: > Suppose that one wanted to create different virtual > IP addresses with ifconfig alias, and when people telnet > or ftp or access pop3/imap2 at a virtual address, a > password file specific to that virtual address would be > used. This would allow username re-use. > > Has this sort of thing been considered before? If not, > what sort of things would have to be hacked? If password > access routines could somehow be informed what virtual > address they were being accessed from, then it would > be possible to have multiple password files. > > Of course, there are always unintended security > implications to doing these things... > > Charles Mott > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 01:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA09521 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA09516 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13871; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:27:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:27:28 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Shawn Ramsey cc: Nguyen Phi Khanh , freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: limiting users from cd-ing to directories. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > It's come to my attention that there's supposedly a method to > > limit users from cd-ing out of the home directory of their account. Say, > > if a user's home directory is /home/users/johndoe, then he can't cd to > > /home/users or /home or even to any other system directory but his own and > > the subdirectories within his home directory. If this is true, how is it > > done? Supposedly login.conf? > > Its done with wu-ftpd, and making the users home directory > /usr/home/users/./ and putting something like this in ftpaccess : > > guestgroup ftpusers > > then all users in ftpusers would be limited to their home > directory(provided they have a /./ at the end) Also done with FreeBSD's ftpd. Read the manpage. Put the user's name in /etc/ftpchroot. Or put the user in a class which includes the boolean 'ftpchroot' (see man login.conf(5)). you'll want to rebuild ftpd using -DBUILTIN_LS or whatever it is called. Danny /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 02:19:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA13478 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (root@gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com [207.113.159.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA13473; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdonl@tsc.tdk.com) Received: from sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (root@sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.191]) by gatekeeper.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA19877; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com [192.168.241.194]) by sunrise.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19407; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13620; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199710230919.CAA13620@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:19:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" "Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses" (Oct 23, 9:44am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , "George M. Ellenburg" Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses Cc: Charles Mott , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Oct 23, 9:44am, "Daniel O'Callaghan" wrote: } Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses } Even if the uid is the same from one vm to another, how } much does it matter? How do you keep users with the same uid's in different vm's from killing each others processes? What about ps? From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 03:10:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16384 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:10:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA16378 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:10:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24810; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:07:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <344F21C2.6EEA4806@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:06:59 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "N. Del More" CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router Cards? References: <3.0.1.32.19971021182012.0098ad50@bailin.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk N. Del More wrote: > > Does any one have any experience or knowledge about the Emerging > Technologies ET/5025x or the SDL Communications WANic or RISCom boards > insofar as their suitabilty as a router is concerned? > > Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a > spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo > ... instant router. > > Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the > surface especially for a startup like me. > > Thanks > Noel I use both and have done for 2 years or more. I believe their claims are correct (although I wouldn't say it is instant). I am very happy with these products and installation is fairly easy. There is another issue that as yet I haven't seen discussed regarding PC Unix routers versus dedicated routers. Recently a large number of Internet routers went belly up as a major ISP loaded a large number of new routes into the routing tables. This caused these dedicated routers to run out of memory and reboot, creating a lot of instability and route flapping. Considering the (virtual) nature of PC Unix memory I do not know if any PC Unix routers suffered the same fate. As I understand the main selling point of dedicated router products like cisco is reliability, in that their are no moving parts to wear out (other than the cooling fan). However beyond a simple configuration and when lots of memory is needed they become VERY expensive. If in fact they are not as reliable as PC Unix routers in the face of this kind of event then the whole point of buying them becomes redundant, given the fact that you can expect years of reliability out of PCs. regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 03:15:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA16746 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:15:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA16726; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14008; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:15 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Don Lewis cc: "George M. Ellenburg" , Charles Mott , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses In-Reply-To: <199710230919.CAA13620@salsa.gv.tsc.tdk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Don Lewis wrote: > On Oct 23, 9:44am, "Daniel O'Callaghan" wrote: > } Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses > > } Even if the uid is the same from one vm to another, how > } much does it matter? > > How do you keep users with the same uid's in different vm's from killing > each others processes? What about ps? > Ah, that's a good point. I had not thought of it because I don't put ps or kill in the vm. But anyway, I allocate users within each vm and give them a disabled entry in the main password file, with the same uid used in the main passwd file and the vm passwd file. That way I get sensible information when I do an ls. The vm users don't get root access within their own vm. /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 06:03:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA23680 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA23669 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:02:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA26883; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:58:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <344F4A11.353C51DE@cablenet.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:58:57 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dru Nelson CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I think you misunderstood his question. He didn't ask about ethernet switching, he asked about IP routing. Dru Nelson wrote: > > I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. > cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. > there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. > > I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but > a good Cisco router will really perform. > > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: > > > > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 > > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? > > > > Bye, > > Nicolai Petri > > > > > > -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 06:23:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA24853 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from osceola.cs.ucf.edu (osceola.cs.ucf.edu [132.170.108.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA24848 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:22:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bilver.oau.org!bill@alfred.oau.org) Received: by osceola.cs.ucf.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10507; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:22:16 -0400 >Received: by alfred.oau.org (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by alfred.oau.org (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.oau.org (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA23417 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199710231225.IAA23417@bilver.oau.org> Subject: Re: Router Cards? In-Reply-To: <344F21C2.6EEA4806@cablenet.net> from Damian Hamill at "Oct 23, 97 11:06:59 am" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:25:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Recently Damian Hamill said: > N. Del More wrote: > > Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a > > spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo > > ... instant router. > > > > Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the > > surface especially for a startup like me. ... > There is another issue that as yet I haven't seen discussed regarding PC > Unix routers versus dedicated routers. Recently a large number of > Internet routers went belly up as a major ISP loaded a large number of > new routes into the routing tables. This caused these dedicated routers > to run out of memory and reboot, creating a lot of instability and route > flapping. Considering the (virtual) nature of PC Unix memory I do not > know if any PC Unix routers suffered the same fate. > As I understand the main selling point of dedicated router products like > cisco is reliability, in that their are no moving parts to wear out > (other than the cooling fan). However beyond a simple configuration and > when lots of memory is needed they become VERY expensive. If in fact > they are not as reliable as PC Unix routers in the face of this kind of > event then the whole point of buying them becomes redundant, given the > fact that you can expect years of reliability out of PCs. I work for a mini-isp that specializes in more of temporary connectivity as opposed to login user. Our provider found that the Cicso's (according to them) would fail under extremely heavy loads, so they replaced their 7300s (I think that's the model - one of the 7000 series at well over $50K) with Ascends. The figure that sticks in my mind was that they replaced 14. I know that before the change the routers at mae-east would go down a lot more than they have in the last 5 months since the change. This is purely anecdotal, and hearsay, just what we were told. I wish I had the problem of overloading one of those :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 07:15:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA28643 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:15:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28634 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:15:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@aol.com) Received: from hetzels (170-218-175.ipt.aol.com [152.170.218.175]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13865 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: NOTICE: New Frontpage 98 Extentions Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcdfbc$904025a0$afdaaa98@hetzels> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Microsoft has just re-released the FrontPage 98 Extensions due to the previous version had a security problem in the Apache FrontPage Module. FrontPage 98 Extensions are available from: ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Products/frontpage/fp30.bsdi.tar.Z Scot From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 08:15:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA03044 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from linux.ams.com (jake@ams.com [207.235.58.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03032 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake@ams.com) Received: from localhost (jake@localhost) by linux.ams.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27679; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:08:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:08:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jake Messinger To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG, portmaster-users@livingston.com Subject: Re: Only one way communication In-Reply-To: <344E9E62.7623@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > I have configured one port of PM2E for a lease line client with > wiinNT3.51 and Exchange4.0 with Internet mail connector. THey have a > domain abc.com.sc. I am able to make a lease line connection and ping > wihtout a problem ip's and domain names from the NT box. I am also able > to send mail to user@abc.com.sc. > > But no mail can be sent out from the NT box. It seem to make the smtp > connection to my mail server but then times out from the looks of the > logs. > > Any ideas where the bug is???? I dont know much about NT mail facilities but on a Unix system, you have to have the client's domain set up in the sendmail.cf file. ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ Jake Messinger 713-772-6690 jake@ams.com Advanced Medical Systems, Inc. jake@uh.edu 8300 Bissonnet #400 fax: 713-774-3498 Houston, Texas 77074 http://www.ams.com/~jake ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 08:37:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA04878 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mail.mcnet.ch (mc1.mcnet.ch [193.5.163.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA04871 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Benoit.Rossier@mcnet.ch) Received: from pc15.mcnet.ch (pc15.mcnet.ch [193.5.166.35]) by mail.mcnet.ch (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04543 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:37:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023173937.01180330@mail.mcnet.ch> X-Sender: brossier@mail.mcnet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) [F] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:39:37 +0200 To: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG From: Benoit Rossier Subject: modem pool ISDN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We are looking for a modem pool ISDN that can negociate the following protocol transparently: ISDN PPP synchronous ISDN v.120 ISDN v.110 analogue v.34+ analogue k56 or x2 We have tested modem pool USR MP/16 I-modem but it can't negociate automatically a PPP synchronous call and a v.120 call without a change in it's configuration. What a pity, otherwise it's a nice box. Has anyone experiences with other modem pool? We want to connect this modem pool to a cisco 2511. Thanks in advance for any tips. Benoit ben@mcnet.ch +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Benoit Rossier M&C Management & Communications SA | | Telecom Rue de Romont 35 | | CH - 1700 Fribourg | | | | voice: +41 (0)26 347 20 40 fax: +41 (0)26 347 20 49 | | E-Mail: Benoit.Rossier@mcnet.ch http://www.mcnet.ch | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 08:44:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA05365 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05360 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:44:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09636; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971023114430.00a6f4e0@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:44:36 -0400 To: Damian Hamill , "N. Del More" From: dennis Subject: Re: Router Cards? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:06 AM 10/23/97 +0100, Damian Hamill wrote: >N. Del More wrote: >> >> Does any one have any experience or knowledge about the Emerging >> Technologies ET/5025x or the SDL Communications WANic or RISCom boards >> insofar as their suitabilty as a router is concerned? >> >> Both companies basically claim that you pop it in either your server or a >> spare system and through the wonders of software and technology ... bingo >> ... instant router. where do we make such a claim? :-) >> >> Seems like a VERY attractive alternative to a VERY expensive Cisco on the >> surface especially for a startup like me. What we claim is that if you know unix, or are using servers running one of our supported platforms, that you can get excellent performance with less or equal effort. With one line...perhaps a wash, 2, better performance for the same money, with more than 2, equal or better performance for a LOT less money. Dennis Emerging Technologies, Inc. www.etinc.com ISA and PCI Sync Cards for FreeBSD, LINUX and BSD/OS ET/BWMGR Bandwidth Manager From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 09:01:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA06192 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from obiwan.TerraNova.net (root@obiwan.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06181 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:00:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bofh@terranova.net) Received: from P1mpBSD.TerraNova.net (coolholio@P1mpBSD.TerraNova.net [209.4.59.4]) by obiwan.TerraNova.net (8.8.7/TerraNovaNet) with SMTP id MAA14807; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <344F7413.6CCA@terranova.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:58:11 -0400 From: Travis Mikalson Organization: TerraNovaNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernie Elu CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Squid 1.1.16 breaking under load References: <199710230745.RAA26944@spooky.eis.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ernie Elu wrote: > > Anyone had squid 1.1.16 break under load? > I am keen to know if anyone else has had the same problem, or is it > just unique to my server in which case I will set up a fresh drive > and swap it out. Yes, it just started happening after I upgraded to 1.NOVM.16 and hasn't happened yet in the last 36 hours since I upgraded to 1.NOVM.17. I think it was a problem they found and fixed: Changes to squid-1.1.17 (October 19, 1997): - Fixed ftpget null pointer coredump for mime encodings. - Fixed setuid() bug when creating swap directories. Now change to 'effective_user' before making dirs. - Fixed cachemgr.cgi to give 'unknown host' message if gethostbyname() fails. - Fixed extra disk read() bug for swapins. Now a disk read calls back immediately if any data was read instead of trying to fill the 8k buffer. - Fixed asciiHandleConn(). The 'while (1)' loop broke things badly under very high loads. Limit to 10 times through the loop, or until RESERVED_FD limit is reached. I'd suggest upgrading to .17 and see if the problem ceases. -T -- TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL Voice: (305)453-4011 Fax: (305)451-5991 http://www.TerraNova.net ---------------------------------------------- "Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western religion, Rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western science." -- Gary Zukav, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 09:23:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA07642 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07616; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:23:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ambrisko@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17056; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crab.whistle.com(207.76.205.112) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd017049; Thu Oct 23 16:15:06 1997 Received: (from ambrisko@localhost) by crab.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA22205; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:13:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Ambrisko Message-Id: <199710231613.JAA22205@crab.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Password files and virtual IP addresses In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "Oct 23, 97 00:53:22 am" To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL29 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Julian Elischer writes: | We have a whole virtual machine | using chroot, and a few other tricks such as a hacked inetd. | It was described recently on either hackers or questions (I forget which) | by Doug Ambrisko. (I think it was questions) I was a hacked natd-like program. "inetd" was fine as is. | On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Charles Mott wrote: | | > Suppose that one wanted to create different virtual | > IP addresses with ifconfig alias, and when people telnet | > or ftp or access pop3/imap2 at a virtual address, a | > password file specific to that virtual address would be | > used. This would allow username re-use. | > | > Has this sort of thing been considered before? If not, | > what sort of things would have to be hacked? If password | > access routines could somehow be informed what virtual | > address they were being accessed from, then it would | > be possible to have multiple password files. | > | > Of course, there are always unintended security | > implications to doing these things... This is a pretty simple case since this services can be controled via inetd. Since inetd is well-behaved (ie uses /etc/services to figure out what ports to use), it is pretty easy to copy the stuff you need into a small chroot and then do a "chroot path /usr/sbin/inetd" to start your services that have been shifted via editing /etc/services in the chroot. The tricky part is to make connections that come in through the alias ip to do a "port shift" from the standard to the ones used in the chroot. This can be done with a hacked natd that does port translation instead of ip translation. Note this problem is simpler then the case I described before since only incoming connections are made so you don't have to worry about translating connections originating from the chroot such as sendmail delivering mail from inside the chroot. The translate code is based on some non-public Whistle code. Doug A. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 09:47:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09594 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09589 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:46:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA8546; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:45:15 +0200 Message-ID: <344F7F41.AD7BEF64@pipeline.ch> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:45:53 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Rossier CC: freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem pool ISDN X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.1.32.19971023173937.01180330@mail.mcnet.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Benoit Rossier wrote: > > Hi, > > We are looking for a modem pool ISDN that can negociate the following > protocol transparently: > > ISDN PPP synchronous > ISDN v.120 > ISDN v.110 > analogue v.34+ > analogue k56 or x2 > > We have tested modem pool USR MP/16 I-modem but it can't negociate > automatically > a PPP synchronous call and a v.120 call without a change in it's > configuration. > What a pity, otherwise it's a nice box. We're using ZyXEL 2864I for that. Take a look at http://www.zyxel.com. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 10:05:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA10741 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:05:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mole (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10735 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:05:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xOQgV-0003Mv-00; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:04:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:04:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 To: Damian Hamill cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <344F4A11.353C51DE@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What is a Layer-3 switch then :-) ? On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > I think you misunderstood his question. He didn't ask about ethernet > switching, he asked about IP routing. > > Dru Nelson wrote: > > > > I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. > > cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. > > there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. > > > > I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but > > a good Cisco router will really perform. > > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: > > > > > > > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 > > > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? > > > > > > Bye, > > > Nicolai Petri > > > > > > > > > > > -- > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 10:29:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA12232 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from netrail.net (netrail.net [205.215.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA12224 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonz@netrail.net) Received: from localhost (jonz@localhost) by netrail.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA22649 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:27:27 GMT Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:27:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jonathan A. Zdziarski" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Dead connections staying open Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've noticed several times in 2.2.2, that ftp connections and telnet connections still show up in netstat and the processes still run long after the person has disconnected (including myself). This presents a lot of problems with load averages rusing, and having to constantly maintain the system. Anybody come up with a patch for this/experiencing the same problems? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan A. Zdziarski NetRail Incorporated Systems Engineering Manager 230 Peachtree St. Suite 500 jonz@netrail.net Atlanta, GA 30303 http://www.netrail.net (888) - NETRAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 10:48:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA13913 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:48:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from rustler.gwc.cccd.edu (rustler.gwc.cccd.edu [159.115.129.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13897 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:48:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpeer@ponyexpress.gwc.cccd.edu) Received: from mpeer (mpeer.csc.gwc.cccd.edu [159.115.129.100]) by rustler.gwc.cccd.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA25768; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023105256.00bec870@rustler.gwc.cccd.edu> X-Sender: mpeer@rustler.gwc.cccd.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:52:56 -0700 To: Dru Nelson , Damian Hamill From: Michael Peer Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <344F4A11.353C51DE@cablenet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I know Cisco now has a module they call an RSM, Route switch module, that is supposed to do layer 3 routing in hardware, that they are calling layer 3 switching. I think the marketing people are at it again. :) At 10:04 AM 10/23/97 -0700, Dru Nelson wrote: > > What is a Layer-3 switch then :-) ? > >On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > >> I think you misunderstood his question. He didn't ask about ethernet >> switching, he asked about IP routing. >> >> Dru Nelson wrote: >> > >> > I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. >> > cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. >> > there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. >> > >> > I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but >> > a good Cisco router will really perform. >> > >> > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 >> > > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? >> > > >> > > Bye, >> > > Nicolai Petri >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> -- >> * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net >> * CableNet & The Landscape Channel >> * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Peer Data Electronics Technician I Golden West College Computer Services Center 15744 Goldenwest St. Huntington Beach, CA 92647 e-mail: mpeer@gwc.cccd.edu Voice: (714)892-7711 ext 55067 WWW: http://pioneer.gwc.cccd.edu FAX: (714)895-8980 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 10:52:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA14150 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dream.future.net (future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14143 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomthai@future.net) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA03801; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:50:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:50:30 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: IBS / Andre Oppermann cc: Benoit Rossier , freebsd-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: modem pool ISDN In-Reply-To: <344F7F41.AD7BEF64@pipeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk last time I looked the ZyXEL 2864I didn't handle 56Kflex or X2. On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > Benoit Rossier wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are looking for a modem pool ISDN that can negociate the following > > protocol transparently: > > > > ISDN PPP synchronous > > ISDN v.120 > > ISDN v.110 > > analogue v.34+ > > analogue k56 or x2 > > > > We have tested modem pool USR MP/16 I-modem but it can't negociate > > automatically > > a PPP synchronous call and a v.120 call without a change in it's > > configuration. > > What a pity, otherwise it's a nice box. > > We're using ZyXEL 2864I for that. Take a look at http://www.zyxel.com. > > -- > Andre Oppermann > > CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer > Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) > Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland > Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 > http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 12:53:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22933 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22919 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:53:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@aol.com) Received: from hetzels (170-28-57.ipt.aol.com [152.170.28.57]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17083 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:52:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: NOTICE: New Frontpage 98 Extentions Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:15:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcdfe8$07851460$0500000a@hetzels> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just finished downloading fp30.bsdi.tar.Z, but I am unable to use it as the tar archive is corrupted: gzip: stdin: corrupt input. tar: archive fp30.bsdi.tar.Z EOF not on block boundary Will the Frontpage 98 extentions for BSDI 3.0 (fp30.bsdi3.tar.Z) work on FreeBSD? >Microsoft has just re-released the FrontPage 98 Extensions due to the >previous version had a security problem in the Apache FrontPage Module. > >FrontPage 98 Extensions are available from: > >ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Products/frontpage/fp30.bsdi.tar.Z > >Scot > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 12:53:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22946 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shrimp.dataplex.net (shrimp.dataplex.net [208.2.87.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22929; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:53:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@aol.com) Received: from hetzels (170-28-57.ipt.aol.com [152.170.28.57]) by shrimp.dataplex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA17089; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:53:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "FreeBSD Ports" , "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Apache w/FrontPage Module Port Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:42:27 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcdfeb$cb4c11c0$0500000a@hetzels> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am currently writing a port for apache to use the frontpage module. The port is 98% complete, which used an old distribution of the FrontPage 3.0 Extensions. (Can't use current file due to corrupted tar file at the source). The apache-fp port does the following: 1. fetches apache-1.2.4.tar.gz, & fp30.bsdi.tar.Z 2. extracts apache-1.2.4.tar.gz a. extracts files (fp_install.sh, change_server.sh, fp-patch-apache-1.2.1) from fp30.bsdi.tar.Z 3. Apply patches to apache sources and the extracted frontpage files a. Apply fp-patch-apache-1.2.1 to apache sources. 4. Run Configure script 5. Build apache-fp 6. Install apache-fp server & files (icons, config files, etc.). a. Run fp_install.sh to install the frontpage extensions & setup the FrontPage Webs. Every thing works to this point but, when you use FrontPage 98 to create a FrontPage web, it complains that it can't create its lock file in /usr/local/etc/apache as the dir. permission is set to 755 & owned by user root & group wheel. Changing the directory so that it is world writable fixes the problem, but causes a security problem. Also, another problem appears, 'Cannot open file "/usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf" for read/write.' the files permissions are set to 644, but apparently the FP Exts can't open the file. This problem is caused by the fp_install.sh which reads the httpd.conf file for the user that the server is to run as, since the default is nobody it chowns -R the directory /usr/local/www/data to user nobody. While /usr/local/etc/apache is owned by root. The solution I have come up with is to chown -R ./etc/apache & ./www/data to the same owner & group after the fp_install.sh script has run. As just chown the directories doesn't solve the problem with reading the httpd.conf file. b. Add user & group www c. chown -R www:www /usr/local/etc/apache /usr/local/www/data Q. How do I add these to the group & passwd list (would like them to be uid & gid < 99)? Q. Is there any security issues with having the configuration directory (./etc/apache) & files (httpd.conf, srm.conf, access.conf), readable & writeable by the frontpage extensions? Scot From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 14:32:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29343 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (daemon@grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA29299 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xOUvx-0000bl-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:50 +0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Traffic calculation Date: 24 Oct 1997 00:36:45 +0300 Message-ID: <62og1d$290$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970709; i386 FreeBSD 2.2-970911-RELENG] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Daniel Podolsky wrote: > Is it possible to get my router (FreeBSD box) traffic statistic using > tcpdump and tcptrace? Try using ipfw. Setup allow rules such as ipfw add 100 allow all from any to any via desired_interface and then ipfw show Third column will contain bytes count from setting rule or last ipfw zero 100 -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ======== Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 14:46:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA29999 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:46:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29994 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:46:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18026; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:46:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA01115; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:46:12 -0700 (PDT) To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router Cards? References: <3.0.1.32.19971021182012.0098ad50@bailin.lan> <344F21C2.6EEA4806@cablenet.net> From: Tony Li Date: 23 Oct 1997 14:46:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: damian@cablenet.net's message of 23 Oct 97 10:06:59 GMT Message-ID: <82k9f4i257.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 29 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) writes: > There is another issue that as yet I haven't seen discussed regarding PC > Unix routers versus dedicated routers. Recently a large number of > Internet routers went belly up as a major ISP loaded a large number of > new routes into the routing tables. This caused these dedicated routers > to run out of memory and reboot, creating a lot of instability and route > flapping. Considering the (virtual) nature of PC Unix memory I do not > know if any PC Unix routers suffered the same fate. In fact, experience with VM routers in the Internet backbone shows that they do not perform well when they begin to page. Unlike normal program execution, when real time systems start to page, it's really bad news. > As I understand the main selling point of dedicated router products like > cisco is reliability, in that their are no moving parts to wear out > (other than the cooling fan). However beyond a simple configuration and > when lots of memory is needed they become VERY expensive. If in fact > they are not as reliable as PC Unix routers in the face of this kind of > event then the whole point of buying them becomes redundant, given the > fact that you can expect years of reliability out of PCs. You perhaps shouldn't confuse hardware reliability with software reliability. The software failures that are seen are an orthogonal issue. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 14:51:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA00315 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:51:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00310 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:51:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18125; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA01123; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:50:38 -0700 (PDT) To: damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? References: <344F4A11.353C51DE@cablenet.net> From: Tony Li Date: 23 Oct 1997 14:50:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: damian@cablenet.net's message of 23 Oct 97 12:58:57 GMT Message-ID: <82iuuoi1xu.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk damian@cablenet.net (Damian Hamill) writes: > I think you misunderstood his question. He didn't ask about ethernet > switching, he asked about IP routing. > > I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. > > cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. > > there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. In fact, Cisco has been doing hardware based L3 forwarding for several years. The first such instance was the Silicon Switch Engine for the 7000. I happen to have a passing familiarity with it. ;-) Ob FreeBSD: The point here is that at some point, when you need many hundreds of thousands of PPS of forwarding, normal processors just fail to provide the necessary speed. Note that for most situations, this is not necessary. A heavily hacked FreeBSD system can get around 100Kpps. Of course at this point, you also run out of PCI bandwidth, so you've maxed out the rest of the hardware too. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 15:01:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA01065 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:01:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua (daemon@grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00845 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from news@grunt.vl.net.ua) Received: from news by grunt.vl.net.ua with local (Exim 1.71 #1) id 0xOVKn-0000mU-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:02:29 +0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Software Radius clients Date: 24 Oct 1997 01:02:27 +0300 Message-ID: <62ohhj$2tp$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970709; i386 FreeBSD 2.2-970911-RELENG] X-Via: News-To-Mail v1.0 From: Vladimir Litovka Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Does anybody knows about software radius clients for FreeBSD? -- Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ======== Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 15:37:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03061 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:37:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03056; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA29816; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:37:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12618; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:39:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:39:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Marc Slemko To: "Scot W. Hetzel" cc: FreeBSD Ports , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: Apache w/FrontPage Module Port In-Reply-To: <01bcdfeb$cb4c11c0$0500000a@hetzels> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > This problem is caused by the fp_install.sh which reads the httpd.conf > file for the user that the server is to run as, since the default is nobody > it chowns -R the directory /usr/local/www/data to user nobody. While > /usr/local/etc/apache is owned by root. The solution I have come up with is > to chown -R ./etc/apache & ./www/data to the same owner & group after the > fp_install.sh script has run. As just chown the directories doesn't solve > the problem with reading the httpd.conf file. > > b. Add user & group www > c. chown -R www:www /usr/local/etc/apache /usr/local/www/data > > Q. How do I add these to the group & passwd list (would like them to be uid > & gid < 99)? > > Q. Is there any security issues with having the configuration directory > (./etc/apache) & files (httpd.conf, srm.conf, access.conf), readable & > writeable by the frontpage extensions? Yes. It means that anyone who can write to them can trivially get root on your system, assuming your system is like most where Apache is started by root in order to bind to port 80. I don't think you should need to have things this way to make it work on Apache using Microsoft's patch. It is necessary on other servers, but shouldn't be on Apache. Haven't really looked at it yet. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 15:42:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03314 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03304 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:42:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA8345 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:40:34 +0200 Message-ID: <344FD288.7F856AB5@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:41:12 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <344F4A11.353C51DE@cablenet.net> <82iuuoi1xu.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Tony Li wrote: -snip- > Ob FreeBSD: The point here is that at some point, when you need many > hundreds of thousands of PPS of forwarding, normal processors just > fail to > provide the necessary speed. Note that for most situations, this is > not > necessary. A heavily hacked FreeBSD system can get around 100Kpps. > Of > course at this point, you also run out of PCI bandwidth, so you've > maxed > out the rest of the hardware too. Thats right, but what we need at this moment are systems that can handle up to 20-30Kpps (4 times 100BaseT at maximum load). And that is what FreeBSD supports on good hardware. So we can run two or three T3's out of one box for 10k$ (costs at least 70k$ with cisco). -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 15:48:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03752 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03747 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:48:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA8573; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:46:24 +0200 Message-ID: <344FD3E6.31CDD6E2@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:47:02 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vladimir Litovka CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Software Radius clients X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <62ohhj$2tp$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vladimir Litovka wrote: > > Hello! > > Does anybody knows about software radius clients for FreeBSD? What do you mean exactly, a NAS or a radius enabled pppd? -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 16:05:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA04714 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from opera.kharkov.ua (opera.kharkov.ua [193.124.76.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA04669 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doka@vl.net.ua) Received: from grunt.vl.net.ua [193.124.76.209] (doka) by opera.kharkov.ua with smtp (Exim 1.71 #18) id 0xOWBP-0000El-00; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:56:51 +0300 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:10:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Vladimir Litovka To: IBS / Andre Oppermann cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Software Radius clients In-Reply-To: <344FD3E6.31CDD6E2@pipeline.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > > Does anybody knows about software radius clients for FreeBSD? > > What do you mean exactly, a NAS or a radius enabled pppd? Yes, software NAS. I know about radiusclient, but it written for Linux and not tested under FreeBSD. Of cource, I can port it to FreeBSD, but at first - this is relatively long process and at second - I'm sure, that there is ready software for FreeBSD :) Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua ======== Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 16:21:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA05308 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:21:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA05296 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA8587; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:19:09 +0200 Message-ID: <344FDB93.455F9837@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:19:47 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vladimir Litovka CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Software Radius clients X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Vladimir Litovka wrote: > > Hello! > > On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, IBS / Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > > Does anybody knows about software radius clients for FreeBSD? > > > > What do you mean exactly, a NAS or a radius enabled pppd? > > Yes, software NAS. I know about radiusclient, but it written for Linux > and not tested under FreeBSD. Of cource, I can port it to FreeBSD, but > at first - this is relatively long process and at second - I'm sure, > that there is ready software for FreeBSD :) Well, christophe colle and I have written a radius modified pppd but it is based on the 2.2.1 pppd and hasn't the newer additions from brian. But it should be a good base. I'll send it to you by email. Everyone else who is also interested should contact me direcly for the source. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 17:09:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07822 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from dream.future.net (root@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07817 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomthai@future.net) Received: from dream.future.net (tomthai@future.net [204.130.134.1]) by dream.future.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA09438; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:04:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:04:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Tom T. Thai" To: Vladimir Litovka cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Software Radius clients In-Reply-To: <62ohhj$2tp$1@grunt.vl.net.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 24 Oct 1997, Vladimir Litovka wrote: > Hello! > > Does anybody knows about software radius clients for FreeBSD? radiusclient :) search the web or it's on ftp.future.net/RADIUS > > -- > Vladimir Litovka , hostmaster of vl.net.ua > ======== Don't trouble trouble until trouble troubles you. > .............. .................................... Thomas T. Thai Infomedia Interactive Communications tom@iic.net TEL 612.376.9090 * FAX 612.376.9087 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 17:13:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA08021 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:13:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08015 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA13046; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971023201441.00ade850@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:14:41 -0400 To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" From: dennis Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:41 AM 10/24/97 +0200, you wrote: >Tony Li wrote: >-snip- >> Ob FreeBSD: The point here is that at some point, when you need many >> hundreds of thousands of PPS of forwarding, normal processors just >> fail to >> provide the necessary speed. Note that for most situations, this is >> not >> necessary. A heavily hacked FreeBSD system can get around 100Kpps. >> Of >> course at this point, you also run out of PCI bandwidth, so you've >> maxed >> out the rest of the hardware too. Of course these numbers change linearly as Intel cranks out faster processors. Dennis From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 20:13:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA16535 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16529 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23657; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:12:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id UAA01661; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:12:35 -0700 (PDT) To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? References: <3.0.32.19971023201441.00ade850@etinc.com> From: Tony Li Date: 23 Oct 1997 20:12:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: dennis@etinc.com's message of 24 Oct 97 00:14:41 GMT Message-ID: <82hga7j1lo.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dennis@etinc.com (dennis) writes: > >> Ob FreeBSD: The point here is that at some point, when you need many > >> hundreds of thousands of PPS of forwarding, normal processors just > >> fail to > >> provide the necessary speed. Note that for most situations, this is > >> not > >> necessary. A heavily hacked FreeBSD system can get around 100Kpps. > >> Of > >> course at this point, you also run out of PCI bandwidth, so you've > >> maxed > >> out the rest of the hardware too. > > Of course these numbers change linearly as Intel cranks out faster > processors. That's not at all clear. Again, exhausting the PCI bandwidth is very much an issue that's not going to go away with a faster CPU. Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 20:26:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA17292 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bailin.lan (dialup1-47.ASPI.net [207.228.215.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17287 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:26:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ndelmore@usa.net) Received: from warped [192.168.0.1] by bailin.lan [192.168.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b3.32-R) for ; Thu, 23 Oct 97 23:11:36 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971023231136.009bc950@bailin.lan> X-Sender: ndelmore@bailin.lan X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:11:36 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "N. Del More" Subject: Help: Router Advise Needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems like lately I'm just running around in circles, no sooner do I finally figure out what I need connection and router-wise then some joker comes along and throws a monkey wrench into the works. Last week, while in search of office space close to the CO, I wandered into a non-descript buiding only to find the holy grail, a company that is (1) not an ISP (2) has no interest in becoming an ISP but .... has multiple fiber links!! Read that BANDWIDTH to spare and then some. And they offered me the deal of a lifetime. Come in, set-up, have some bandwidth (we'll just run you some CAT5 cable ... pay for the bandwidth as you use it)(cheaper than I can get it ANYWHERE!! and no loop charges!!!!). And by the way, what you can do for us is deal with all these pesky people that found out we're here and provide them dial-up access. Just don't muck with our main business (video tele-conferencing). "Let's see now .. oh .. you'll need a nic and ummm a router, we'll wire your office for free ... how much space do you want?" After a tour of the NOC .. I signed ... Napoleon if your reading .. I'm sorry ... RABBIT ... RABBIT ... RABBIT !!!!! Oh gawd!! RABBIT!!!!!!!! So .. suggestions for a router please? I assume it has to be a dual ethernet affair since I'm not going to be needing a synchronous serial (for the moment anyway). Frankly, I was too dumbfounded to ask them. Then again, I probably couldn't afford what they might recommend. Thanks Noel P.S. RABBIT as in pulling one out of the hat. I knew you wanted to know. And forgive me ... I had to tell someone !!!!!!!!!! +-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ | N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | | inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | | InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | | http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | | http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | | http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | +------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 23 21:59:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA22355 for isp-outgoing; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA22346 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA29515; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199710240459.VAA29515@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> To: dennis@etinc.com, tli@juniper.net Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > exhausting the PCI bandwidth is very much > an issue that's not going to go away with a faster CPU. Definitely. Of course, sooner or later, we'll have PCI-UW or something. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 03:29:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA07613 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (intranet.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA07608 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:29:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA8829 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:27:43 +0200 Message-ID: <34507846.99E28DE9@pipeline.ch> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:28:22 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199710240459.VAA29515@biggusdiskus.flyingfox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jim Shankland wrote: > > > exhausting the PCI bandwidth is very much > > an issue that's not going to go away with a faster CPU. > > Definitely. Of course, sooner or later, we'll have PCI-UW or > something. Well, we have already a PCI-UW, it's calles 64Bit PCI and nearly doubles the bandwidth but the card has to support it. The other way is to add more PCI busses (of course not by a PCI-PCI bridge). There are some systems out with more than one PCI bus direct connected to the memory/CPU bus. So its up to CPU and memory bandwidth (I think the PII can handle up to 400MB/s). -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 03:33:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA07825 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA07813 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09051; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:28:53 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <34507864.7AAE88DB@cablenet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:28:52 +0100 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dru Nelson CC: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry Dru, when I hastily responded to your post I had my very large plonker hat on :-) Dru Nelson wrote: > > What is a Layer-3 switch then :-) ? > > On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Damian Hamill wrote: > > > I think you misunderstood his question. He didn't ask about ethernet > > switching, he asked about IP routing. > > > > Dru Nelson wrote: > > > > > > I doubt it. Unless there is specialized hardware involved. > > > cisco and others have invested heavily in 'silicon switching'. > > > there are more layer 3 ethernet switches out there. > > > > > > I think FreeBSD is an excellent solution for most things, but > > > a good Cisco router will really perform. > > > > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Nicolai Petri wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to setup a FreeBSD to make highperformance routing between 2 > > > > 100Mbit Nets ???? Could it be as fast as Cisco IOS??? > > > > > > > > Bye, > > > > Nicolai Petri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > > regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 04:04:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA09200 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:04:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell.familyvoice.com ([208.157.145.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA09190 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:04:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaysen@familyvoice.com) Received: from shell.familyvoice.com (jaysen@mail.familyvoice.com [208.157.145.10]) by shell.familyvoice.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id HAA14849; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:15:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jaysen O'Dell" To: "N. Del More" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971023231136.009bc950@bailin.lan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Believe it or not I had the same experiance. The best (read cheap, functional, and easy) solution that I found was a linux box with 2 NICs. Compile the kernel with forwarding and as a router not host, add an append line to the lilo.conf (any "better" ways to do this), set up init.d networks for two interfaces, and reboot. Instant router. Here is a quick question: Who supplies IP space to you? You may "need" to beg some one for some space. :-) Jaysen On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, N. Del More wrote: > It seems like lately I'm just running around in circles, no sooner do I > finally figure out what I need connection and router-wise then some joker > comes along and throws a monkey wrench into the works. > > Last week, while in search of office space close to the CO, I wandered into > a non-descript buiding only to find the holy grail, a company that is (1) > not an ISP (2) has no interest in becoming an ISP but .... has multiple > fiber links!! Read that BANDWIDTH to spare and then some. > > And they offered me the deal of a lifetime. Come in, set-up, have some > bandwidth (we'll just run you some CAT5 cable ... pay for the bandwidth as > you use it)(cheaper than I can get it ANYWHERE!! and no loop charges!!!!). > And by the way, what you can do for us is deal with all these pesky people > that found out we're here and provide them dial-up access. Just don't muck > with our main business (video tele-conferencing). > > "Let's see now .. oh .. you'll need a nic and ummm a router, we'll wire > your office for free ... how much space do you want?" > > After a tour of the NOC .. I signed ... Napoleon if your reading .. I'm > sorry ... RABBIT ... RABBIT ... RABBIT !!!!! Oh gawd!! RABBIT!!!!!!!! > > So .. suggestions for a router please? I assume it has to be a dual > ethernet affair since I'm not going to be needing a synchronous serial (for > the moment anyway). Frankly, I was too dumbfounded to ask them. Then > again, I probably couldn't afford what they might recommend. > > Thanks > Noel > > P.S. RABBIT as in pulling one out of the hat. I knew you wanted to know. > And forgive me ... I had to tell someone !!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > +-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ > | N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | > | inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | > | InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | > | http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | > | http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | > | http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | > +------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 05:41:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id FAA15767 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bigbrother.rust.net (bigbrother.rust.net [209.69.72.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA15762 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bigbrother.rust.net) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by bigbrother.rust.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00200; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael W. Lucas" Message-Id: <199710241240.IAA00200@bigbrother.rust.net> Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971023231136.009bc950@bailin.lan> from "N. Del More" at "Oct 23, 97 11:11:36 pm" To: ndelmore@usa.net (N. Del More) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'd recommend a FreeBSD box with two Ethernet cards. Should work just fine up to 7 Meg or so. If you feel like spending some dough on a "real" router, I'd recommend a Livingston FireWall router (it's not really a firewall; it just has 2 Ethernet ports and some basic packet filtering). Good luck! --ml > It seems like lately I'm just running around in circles, no sooner do I > finally figure out what I need connection and router-wise then some joker > comes along and throws a monkey wrench into the works. > > Last week, while in search of office space close to the CO, I wandered into > a non-descript buiding only to find the holy grail, a company that is (1) > not an ISP (2) has no interest in becoming an ISP but .... has multiple > fiber links!! Read that BANDWIDTH to spare and then some. > > And they offered me the deal of a lifetime. Come in, set-up, have some > bandwidth (we'll just run you some CAT5 cable ... pay for the bandwidth as > you use it)(cheaper than I can get it ANYWHERE!! and no loop charges!!!!). > And by the way, what you can do for us is deal with all these pesky people > that found out we're here and provide them dial-up access. Just don't muck > with our main business (video tele-conferencing). > > "Let's see now .. oh .. you'll need a nic and ummm a router, we'll wire > your office for free ... how much space do you want?" > > After a tour of the NOC .. I signed ... Napoleon if your reading .. I'm > sorry ... RABBIT ... RABBIT ... RABBIT !!!!! Oh gawd!! RABBIT!!!!!!!! > > So .. suggestions for a router please? I assume it has to be a dual > ethernet affair since I'm not going to be needing a synchronous serial (for > the moment anyway). Frankly, I was too dumbfounded to ask them. Then > again, I probably couldn't afford what they might recommend. > > Thanks > Noel > > P.S. RABBIT as in pulling one out of the hat. I knew you wanted to know. > And forgive me ... I had to tell someone !!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > +-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ > | N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | > | inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | > | InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | > | http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | > | http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | > | http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | > +------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 07:17:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA21978 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:17:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from netrail.net (netrail.net [205.215.10.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21971 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:17:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonz@netrail.net) Received: from localhost (jonz@localhost) by netrail.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA13121; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:15:18 GMT Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:15:17 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jonathan A. Zdziarski" To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Squid 1.1.16 breaking under load In-Reply-To: <199710230745.RAA26944@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I was experimenting with squid under Digital Unix, the process had the tendency to grow in virtual size until it would take up all the memory and die out. It's possible something similar's happening here, you can find out by doing a ps aux and looking at the vsize for a few hours while it's running. You may also want to install Gnu Malloc if you can find it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan A. Zdziarski NetRail Incorporated Systems Engineering Manager 230 Peachtree St. Suite 500 jonz@netrail.net Atlanta, GA 30303 http://www.netrail.net (888) - NETRAIL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Ernie Elu wrote: :Anyone had squid 1.1.16 break under load? : :It comes up with a can't xmalloc memory error and squid quits with a signal :6 for a few minutes until RunCache restarts it. :Seem to not happen under light loads. : :The kern.log is full of messages like the following: : :Oct 23 15:03:08 gammy /kernel: pid 637 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 15:11:40 gammy /kernel: pid 739 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 15:22:53 gammy /kernel: pid 814 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 15:39:28 gammy /kernel: pid 861 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 15:50:59 gammy /kernel: pid 1829 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 16:00:06 gammy /kernel: pid 2445 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 :Oct 23 16:13:38 gammy /kernel: pid 2539 (squid), uid 65534: exited on signal 6 : : :It's only started happening since I went from 1.1.15 to 1.1.16 yesterday. : :I also cvsup'd the latest 2.2.2-STABLE and built a fresh kernel at the same :time to complicate things. : :I am keen to know if anyone else has had the same problem, or is it just unique to my :server in which case I will set up a fresh drive and swap it out. : : :- Ernie. : From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 07:24:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA22560 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22554 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [204.141.95.138]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA18012; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971024102522.009f0e20@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:25:23 -0400 To: Jim Shankland From: dennis Subject: Re: Routing thru a FreeBSD? Cc: isp@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 09:59 PM 10/23/97 -0700, you wrote: >> exhausting the PCI bandwidth is very much >> an issue that's not going to go away with a faster CPU. > >Definitely. Of course, sooner or later, we'll have PCI-UW or something. This is kind of like tackling the question of whether you can travel at faster than the speed of light, because currently CPUs arent capable of processing more than PCI can deliver. The bus transfer is not the limiting factor in your packets/second equation...it is a tiny piece (unlike the old days) and insignificant compared to software. Dennis > >Jim Shankland >Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 11:36:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA10347 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from rhialto.linkline.be (rhialto.linkline.be [194.51.224.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10340 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicolas@linkline.be) Received: from [194.51.224.226] (llorio.linkline.be [194.51.224.226]) by rhialto.linkline.be (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02303; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:28:46 +0200 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971023231136.009bc950@bailin.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:29:32 +0200 To: "Jaysen O'Dell" From: Nicolas Jungers Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed Cc: "N. Del More" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 13:15 +0200 24/10/97, Jaysen O'Dell wrote: >Believe it or not I had the same experiance. > >The best (read cheap, functional, and easy) solution that I found was a >linux box with 2 NICs. Compile the kernel with forwarding and as a router >not host, add an append line to the lilo.conf (any "better" ways to do >this), yes, no problem so far with 4x3c590 in a box (pci ethernet). Just avoid the 3c900. Nicolas -- mail: nj@linkline.be Phone: (32-2) 333 55 55 Fax: (32-2) 333 55 56 personal mail: nicolas@linkline.be personal fax: (32-2) 502 76 41 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 11:50:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA11073 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell.familyvoice.com ([208.157.145.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11064 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:50:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaysen@familyvoice.com) Received: from shell.familyvoice.com (jaysen@mail.familyvoice.com [208.157.145.10]) by shell.familyvoice.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA15440; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:01:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:01:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jaysen O'Dell" To: Nicolas Jungers cc: "N. Del More" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok I see all you guys with "fancy" NICs. Outside of the obvious PCI vs ISA, 10 vs 100, what is the differance? This is a question based on ignorance so please be gentle. I have been using ne2000 and clones and never had any problems that could be associated with the NIC. Granted I am not nearly as big as most of you, but if this is just a disaster waiting to happen.... Ships with holes don't float. Jaysen From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 12:35:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA14010 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hydrogen.nike.efn.org (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.170.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13993 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gurney_j@efn.org) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.nike.efn.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26630; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19971024123451.52371@hydrogen.nike.efn.org> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:34:51 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: "Jaysen O'Dell" Cc: Nicolas Jungers , "N. Del More" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.69 In-Reply-To: ; from Jaysen O'Dell on Fri, Oct 24, 1997 at 03:01:02PM -0400 Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney Organization: Cu Networking X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jaysen O'Dell scribbled this message on Oct 24: > Ok I see all you guys with "fancy" NICs. Outside of the obvious PCI vs > ISA, 10 vs 100, what is the differance? This is a question based on > ignorance so please be gentle. I have been using ne2000 and clones and > never had any problems that could be associated with the NIC. Granted I am > not nearly as big as most of you, but if this is just a disaster waiting > to happen.... Ships with holes don't float. basicly, with an ne2000 your processor has to do the data transfer to and from the card (like ide)... but if you buy some of the more expensive cards (like the 3c509), the card itself will do the data transfer (like mid to high end scsi cards)... this will let you do more with your processor... and will actually speed up the transfer as your card takes it as needed... I personally rarely see over 700k/sec with an ne2000 (transmitting), but with other cards like the 3c509, you can do close to a meg/sec... hope this helps... -- John-Mark Gurney Modem/FAX: +1 541 683 6954 Cu Networking Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 14:04:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA20021 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from happy.digitaldune.net (craig@happy.digitaldune.net [208.19.80.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20014 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from craig@happy.digitaldune.net) Received: from localhost (craig@localhost) by happy.digitaldune.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19874; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:08:20 -0700 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:08:20 -0700 (MST) From: Craig Sawyer To: "Jaysen O'Dell" cc: Nicolas Jungers , "N. Del More" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I run 3com 3c905-TX 10/100 cards. they cost about $100.00 and are really fast. I have used as many as 2 in a machine at any one time, I have yet to try more than 2, so I can't tell you about more. The ISA based 3c509 cards work really well, and have had up to 2 in a machine. they are directly supported in the 2.0.X and abover kernels, and you can find drivers for the 1.2.X kernels. They run great at both 10mbs and 100mbs a second, and are used in the Beowulf project(supercomputer with pentiums) -Craig On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Jaysen O'Dell wrote: > Ok I see all you guys with "fancy" NICs. Outside of the obvious PCI vs > ISA, 10 vs 100, what is the differance? This is a question based on > ignorance so please be gentle. I have been using ne2000 and clones and > never had any problems that could be associated with the NIC. Granted I am > not nearly as big as most of you, but if this is just a disaster waiting > to happen.... Ships with holes don't float. > > Jaysen > =============================================================================== Craig Sawyer The Yuma Area LUG:lug@happy.digitaldune.net craig@happy.digitaldune.net Debian/GNU Linux the Beautiftical OS.... http://www.debian.org =============================================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 15:18:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24624 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:18:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24618 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (spork@localhost) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04095; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "N. Del More" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971023231136.009bc950@bailin.lan> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, One other option you may wish to look at is the Ipsilon IPswitch. The base unit comes configured with a few ethernet ports, and can supposedly switch quite a few packets/sec. It adds some interesting features to help you sell all that bandwidth without running into the danger of one person sucking it all down; ie: you can specify how much bandwidth each IP/subnet gets, which is very nice for colocation. "How much bandwidth would you like with that server, sir?" ;) It's a bit pricey, but it's actually based on a heavily-hacked FBSD kernel. It's a shame you can't buy a totally "no moving parts" ether-ether router for a decent price these days. You could get a Cisco 2514, but I don't think the poor thing could even start to keep up with 10 MBps. Perhaps just a fast box with some decent NICs would be fine if you don't mind having a hard drive in your router... Another thought is having one of those nifty new Layer 3 switches that's actually almost a router (it speaks OSPF, RIP, etc.)... Before you decide on something, it may be worth poking around the Cisco/Bay/3com websites to see what's new... Charles On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, N. Del More wrote: > It seems like lately I'm just running around in circles, no sooner do I > finally figure out what I need connection and router-wise then some joker > comes along and throws a monkey wrench into the works. > > Last week, while in search of office space close to the CO, I wandered into > a non-descript buiding only to find the holy grail, a company that is (1) > not an ISP (2) has no interest in becoming an ISP but .... has multiple > fiber links!! Read that BANDWIDTH to spare and then some. > > And they offered me the deal of a lifetime. Come in, set-up, have some > bandwidth (we'll just run you some CAT5 cable ... pay for the bandwidth as > you use it)(cheaper than I can get it ANYWHERE!! and no loop charges!!!!). > And by the way, what you can do for us is deal with all these pesky people > that found out we're here and provide them dial-up access. Just don't muck > with our main business (video tele-conferencing). > > "Let's see now .. oh .. you'll need a nic and ummm a router, we'll wire > your office for free ... how much space do you want?" > > After a tour of the NOC .. I signed ... Napoleon if your reading .. I'm > sorry ... RABBIT ... RABBIT ... RABBIT !!!!! Oh gawd!! RABBIT!!!!!!!! > > So .. suggestions for a router please? I assume it has to be a dual > ethernet affair since I'm not going to be needing a synchronous serial (for > the moment anyway). Frankly, I was too dumbfounded to ask them. Then > again, I probably couldn't afford what they might recommend. > > Thanks > Noel > > P.S. RABBIT as in pulling one out of the hat. I knew you wanted to know. > And forgive me ... I had to tell someone !!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > +-----------------------------+ +---------------------------------+ > | N.B. Del More \ \ Sure! We'd be glad to host | > | inr.NET \ \ your website!! Do you want | > | InterNet Resources Network \ \ to be on? | > | http://www.inr.net \ \ diss.net? datt.net? | > | http://www.diss.net \ \ or do you just wanna be | > | http://www.datt.net \ \ on da inr.net? | > +------------------------------------+ +--------------------------+ > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 15:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA26712 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:56:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26696 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from opi ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA9367 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:54:57 +0200 Message-ID: <34512767.F73D002@pipeline.ch> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 00:55:35 +0200 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: How to boot from PC-Card? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible to boot FreeBSD from a PC-Card / PCMCIA (when the BIOS supports it at boot time)? Only RAM and a Flash card. If yes, what is needed in the Kernel to do this (filesystems etc.)? -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 16:39:45 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA28881 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (SRI-56K-FR.mt.net [206.127.65.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28869 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:39:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21681; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:39:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22335; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:39:34 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199710242339.RAA22335@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: How to boot from PC-Card? In-Reply-To: <34512767.F73D002@pipeline.ch> References: <34512767.F73D002@pipeline.ch> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is it possible to boot FreeBSD from a PC-Card / PCMCIA (when the BIOS > supports it at boot time)? If the BIOS support it, and supplies a driver that looks like the 'hardware', yes. > Only RAM and a Flash card. See above. > If yes, what is needed in the Kernel to do this (filesystems etc.)? Nothing, since it looks like 'real' hardware. Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 18:08:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA02625 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:08:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02620 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:08:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcin@v-m.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A7F91A5010C; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: <345538F9.53D@v-m.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:59:37 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@v-m.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: DNS Problems....... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a problem with my domain name..only one... polaccess.com I don't know what the problem is beacuse all other domains that I have are working ok..if I check or ping form outside..... for example impex-us.com so I think there is no problem with a dns server....but maybe with an entry...any pointers or suggestions..please help....The major problem is the fact that email form outside is not reaching my email server and in the debug mode mail -v it gives me a wierd errors....HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 19:18:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05850 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:18:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from slaterm.amitar.com.au (slaterm.amitar.com.au [203.57.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA05845 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slaterm@slaterm.amitar.com.au) Received: (from slaterm@localhost) by slaterm.amitar.com.au (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA00387; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:16:41 +0800 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:16:41 +0800 (WST) From: Michael Slater To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS Problems....... In-Reply-To: <345538F9.53D@v-m.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Do you have MX records set up for the domain ? Like : polaccess.com. IN A xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IN MX 10 mail.polaccess.com. IN MX 20 other_server.polaccess.com. Michael on Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Marcin Pasek wrote: > I have a problem with my domain name..only one... > polaccess.com I don't know what the problem is beacuse all other > domains that I have are working ok..if I check or ping form outside..... > for example impex-us.com so I think there is no problem with a dns > server....but maybe with an entry...any pointers or suggestions..please > help....The major problem is the fact that email form outside is not > reaching my email server and in the debug mode mail -v it gives me a > wierd errors....HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 19:34:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA06675 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from satie.hk.homegate.net (satie.hk.homegate.net [202.66.88.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA06636 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:34:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmf@homegate.net) Received: (qmail 25431 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Oct 1997 02:33:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:33:48 +0800 (HKT) From: Bo Fussing X-Sender: bmf@satie.hk.homegate.net To: Craig Sawyer cc: "Jaysen O'Dell" , Nicolas Jungers , "N. Del More" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, linuxisp@friendly.jeffnet.org Subject: Re: Help: Router Advise Needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Jaysen O'Dell wrote: > > > Ok I see all you guys with "fancy" NICs. Outside of the obvious PCI vs > > ISA, 10 vs 100, what is the differance? This is a question based on > > ignorance so please be gentle. I have been using ne2000 and clones and > > never had any problems that could be associated with the NIC. Granted I am > > not nearly as big as most of you, but if this is just a disaster waiting > > to happen.... Ships with holes don't float. > > > > Jaysen We have a Linux box with 3 3C509s, whilst I cannot claim that they are faster than other cards, they seem to be very stable and I have never had to replace one on this or any other of our servers/PCs. My primary reason for going for these is the stability of the driver and the lack of problems I have seen on this and other mailing lists. In my book stability/reliability beats speed any day. Bo ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bo Fussing HomeGate Inc. Tel +852 2851-8884 Fax +852 2541-9843 URL http://www.homegate.net PGP fingerprint = D7 9F ED 1D E5 B9 62 4F 77 BC D1 33 5B 4E 95 81 For PGP ID & Signature mail empty message to bmf-pgp@homegate.net From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 20:19:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA08509 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from packfish.gateway.net.hk (qmailr@packfish.gateway.net.hk [202.76.19.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA08504 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 20:19:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@gateway.net.hk) Received: (qmail 4221 invoked by uid 101); 25 Oct 1997 03:19:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:19:24 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS Problems....... In-Reply-To: <345538F9.53D@v-m.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There seems to be something wrong with your name servers, ns.polaccess.com and daemon.ripco.com since neither can resolve ns.polaccess.com when set as default server. They keep appending a domain name to every query. Check to see whether the A records are properly terminated. jbeukema On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Marcin Pasek wrote: > I have a problem with my domain name..only one... > polaccess.com I don't know what the problem is beacuse all other > domains that I have are working ok..if I check or ping form outside..... > for example impex-us.com so I think there is no problem with a dns > server....but maybe with an entry...any pointers or suggestions..please > help....The major problem is the fact that email form outside is not > reaching my email server and in the debug mode mail -v it gives me a > wierd errors....HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 24 23:39:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA17510 for isp-outgoing; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from proxy.unpar.ac.id (proxy.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17501 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:39:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gatut@student.unpar.ac.id) Received: from student.unpar.ac.id (student.unpar.ac.id [167.205.206.58]) by proxy.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03121 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:23:37 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from localhost (gatut@localhost) by student.unpar.ac.id (8.8.5/8.8.5.D) with SMTP id NAA17500; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:15:39 +0700 (JAVT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:15:38 +0700 (JAVT) From: V Gatut Harijoso To: Marcin Pasek cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DNS Problems....... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I found with nslookup: =============== > set type=soa > polaccess.com Server: ns1.unpar.ac.id Address: 167.205.206.56 Non-authoritative answer: polaccess.com origin = ns.polaccess.com mail addr = webmaster@polaccess.com serial = 971031002 refresh = 43200 (12 hours) retry = 7200 (2 hours) expire = 1209600 (14 days) minimum ttl = 172800 (2 days) > server ns.polaccess.com Default Server: ns.polaccess.com Address: 205.166.42.114 > ls -d polaccess.com [ns.polaccess.com] *** Can't list domain polaccess.com: Query refused > set type=a > server ns.polaccess.com Default Server: ns.polaccess.com Address: 205.166.42.114 > ns.polaccess.com Server: ns.polaccess.com Address: 205.166.42.114 Non-authoritative answer: Name: ns.polaccess.com Address: 205.166.42.114 > =============== It seems that ns.polaccess.com doesnt have authority to answer even for its name. Can you post your dns entry for polaccess.com in ns.polaccess.com? Hope, we can help if see something wrong in it. On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, John Beukema wrote: > There seems to be something wrong with your name servers, > ns.polaccess.com and daemon.ripco.com since neither can resolve > ns.polaccess.com when set as default server. They keep appending a > domain name to every query. Check to see whether the A records are > properly terminated. > jbeukema > > On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Marcin Pasek wrote: > > > I have a problem with my domain name..only one... > > polaccess.com I don't know what the problem is beacuse all other > > domains that I have are working ok..if I check or ping form outside..... > > for example impex-us.com so I think there is no problem with a dns > > server....but maybe with an entry...any pointers or suggestions..please > > help....The major problem is the fact that email form outside is not > > reaching my email server and in the debug mode mail -v it gives me a > > wierd errors....HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP HELP > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 25 09:23:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09325 for isp-outgoing; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09302 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archer@grape.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.101]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19072 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:22:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id TAA27998 for isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:15:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from archer@localhost) by grape.carrier.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA11494; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:06:12 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:06:12 +0300 (EEST) From: Alexander Litvin Message-Id: <199710251606.TAA11494@grape.carrier.kiev.ua> To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Squid 1.1.16 breaking under load In-Reply-To: <199710230745.RAA26944@spooky.eis.net.au> <344F7413.6CCA@terranova.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970424; i386 FreeBSD 2.2.5-971010-BETA] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <344F7413.6CCA@terranova.net> you wrote: > Ernie Elu wrote: > > > > Anyone had squid 1.1.16 break under load? > > I am keen to know if anyone else has had the same problem, or is it > > just unique to my server in which case I will set up a fresh drive > > and swap it out. > Yes, it just started happening after I upgraded to 1.NOVM.16 and hasn't > happened yet in the last 36 hours since I upgraded to 1.NOVM.17. > I think it was a problem they found and fixed: > Changes to squid-1.1.17 (October 19, 1997): > - Fixed ftpget null pointer coredump for mime encodings. > - Fixed setuid() bug when creating swap directories. Now > change to 'effective_user' before making dirs. > - Fixed cachemgr.cgi to give 'unknown host' message if > gethostbyname() fails. > - Fixed extra disk read() bug for swapins. Now a disk > read calls back immediately if any data was read instead > of trying to fill the 8k buffer. > - Fixed asciiHandleConn(). The 'while (1)' loop broke things > badly under very high loads. Limit to 10 times through > the loop, or until RESERVED_FD limit is reached. > I'd suggest upgrading to .17 and see if the problem ceases. No chance, it seems. I mean, I've upgraded to 1.NOVM.17, and it still dies sometimes with 6, cache.log reports "Sombody is putting NULL pointer". IMHO it has something to do with squid internal memory management. Haven't had time to track it down yet. > -T > -- > TerraNovaNet Internet Services - Key Largo, FL > Voice: (305)453-4011 > Fax: (305)451-5991 > http://www.TerraNova.net > ---------------------------------------------- > "Acceptance without proof is the fundamental characteristic of Western > religion, Rejection without proof is the fundamental characteristic of > Western science." > -- Gary Zukav, "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" -- Litvin Alexander