From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 04:38:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA19576 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:38:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from domino.primelink.com (domino.primelink.com [206.24.58.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA19565 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbrown@domino.primelink.com) From: kbrown@domino.primelink.com Received: by domino.primelink.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 86256589.0045BBB1 ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:41:40 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUBER & ASSOCIATES To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <86256589.004538F2.00@domino.primelink.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:34:41 -0600 Subject: One last chance,,, Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am still looking for an ISP in the Atlanta area who could offer me dialup access over the next few days (through the 14th). I will be in Atlanta later on this evening, I would like some sort of access so I can check my mail from time to time. I will be leaving for the airport at 11:30am Central...so if you can help, please send me an email directly. Thanks in advance for your assistance. Kevin Brown Huber & Associates, Inc. Networking Engineer kbrown@primelink.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 04:47:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id EAA20017 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:47:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from chico.franken.de (root@dns.franken.de [193.175.24.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA19998 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mnbokaem@pizza.franken.de) Received: by chico.franken.de via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:47:39 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 built DST-Sep-8) Received: from pizza.franken.de(193.174.2.225) via SMTP by chico, id smtpd017626; Sun Jan 11 13:47:32 1998 Received: by pizza.franken.de (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.4) id ; Sun, 11 Jan 98 13:43 MET Received: by olive.franken.de (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0xrMgF-0004pYC; Sun, 11 Jan 98 13:39 MET Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) In-Reply-To: <34B86D45.643D@comsys.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Martin Bokaemper Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 13:39:51 +0100 To: alex@comsys.com Subject: Re: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to develop them? cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <34B86D45.643D@comsys.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. > We're again looking at the requirements for a ISP box that > has 8 Ethernet ports. We'd like to run FreeBSD in the box, prefer > Intel or Digital 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controllers - 4 per board > would be good. Priced around $300 each. > > If there's someone interested in developing such a card we'd can > participate. Please contact me directly. > > If there's something out there already that fits the bill, > we'd buy rather than build. There are 4-port Ethernet Controllers available. We have one in use from Cogent (now: Adaptec). They have a family of 4 port PCI-cards that all use the DECchip controllers. We use the 4x BNC (10Mbps) model but you can get up to 4x 100Mbps fullduplex. The card currently runs in a linux box but I had it on FreeBSD too and it works fine. I don't know current prices. Look at Potential Problems: - The board uses a PCI Bridge. Older BIOS versions often do not initialize these chips properly. - Two cards _should_ be no problem, but you can only be sure about that after a test (another field for BIOS or PCI-Driver bugs). - The controllers are longer than typical PCI-Boards - many Mainboards have the CPU or SIMMs in the back of the PCI-Slots so you can't plug in two long cards. ciao, Martin. -- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 09:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA18011 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:55:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from s02.admin.cantv.net (s02.admin.cantv.net [161.196.66.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18001 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lem@cantv.net) Received: from lemtop.cantv.net ([161.196.105.113]) by s02.admin.cantv.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA14566; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:51:15 -0400 (GMT-0400) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980110221137.007c1ae0@pop.cantv.net> X-Sender: lem@pop.cantv.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:11:37 -0400 To: Edwin Culp From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? Cc: Diana , "Stephen A. Derdau" , David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34B7C04C.6426ECA6@ver1.telmex.net.mx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:39 PM 10/01/1998 -0600, Edwin Culp wrote: [snip] >This is a very interesting thread, but the only creativity I've seen is >how to quickly eliminate a customer. Why not create a state of limbo >that >will maintain internal communications with the customer but only permite >external communications that you authorize that can be reduced by time >frame until he is automatically cut off after having tried everything. >He could inicially only loose external not internal web, chat and ftp. >In 3-7 days take away external mail, not internal because you should >be sending automatic emails convencing him to pay. The same should >hold true on your web site. I think that might be a little more >creative >and do what Blaine Minazzi suggested. IMHO the best answer I have seen. I also like Blaine's approach. ChoiceNet from Livingston might be pretty nice for this. You can setup special filters to restrict just certain services and impose them on the non-paying customer. -lem From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 09:56:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA18271 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:56:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18260 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id MAA16989; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:54:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980111125441.35963@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:54:41 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: Martin Bokaemper Cc: alex@comsys.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to develop them? References: <34B86D45.643D@comsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Martin Bokaemper on Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 01:39:51PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 01:39:51PM +0100, Martin Bokaemper wrote: > Hi. > > > We're again looking at the requirements for a ISP box that > > has 8 Ethernet ports. We'd like to run FreeBSD in the box, prefer > > Intel or Digital 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controllers - 4 per board > > would be good. Priced around $300 each. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If this is a per port price, then the Znyx and Adaptec four port PCI cards will meet your needs. However, if this is the per board price, then I believe developing a card (or finding a real sweet deal) may be your only alternative. > > > > If there's someone interested in developing such a card we'd can > > participate. Please contact me directly. > > > > If there's something out there already that fits the bill, > > we'd buy rather than build. > > There are 4-port Ethernet Controllers available. We have one in use > from Cogent (now: Adaptec). They have a family of 4 port PCI-cards > that all use the DECchip controllers. > We use the 4x BNC (10Mbps) model but you can get up to > 4x 100Mbps fullduplex. The card currently runs in a linux box > but I had it on FreeBSD too and it works fine. I don't know > current prices. Look at > > > Potential Problems: > - The board uses a PCI Bridge. Older BIOS versions often do not initialize > these chips properly. > - Two cards _should_ be no problem, but you can only be sure about that > after a test (another field for BIOS or PCI-Driver bugs). > - The controllers are longer than typical PCI-Boards - many Mainboards have > the CPU or SIMMs in the back of the PCI-Slots so you can't plug > in two long cards. > > ciao, > Martin. > -- -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 11:15:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA26958 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from land.willinet.net (land.willinet.net [198.49.30.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26949 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tboellst@willinet.net) Received: (qmail 32767 invoked from network); 11 Jan 1998 13:14:02 -0600 Received: from ps37sux.willinet.net (HELO moe.splarg.org) (198.49.30.104) by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 11 Jan 1998 13:14:02 -0600 Message-ID: <000a01bd1ec5$b32b6c80$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: "Martin Bokaemper" , Cc: Subject: Re: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to developthem? Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 13:18:28 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... >- The controllers are longer than typical PCI-Boards - many Mainboards have > the CPU or SIMMs in the back of the PCI-Slots so you can't plug > in two long cards. > Get an ATX form factor to get past that... From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 11:20:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27274 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:20:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27264 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02026; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from UNKNOWN(), claiming to be "current1.whistle.com" via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd002023; Sun Jan 11 11:18:29 1998 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:15:22 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: alex@comsys.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to develop them? In-Reply-To: <34B86D45.643D@comsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk whu not just buy the cards.. there are 2 on the market.. www.zynx.com for one of them I forget the other. On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 alex@comsys.com wrote: > We're again looking at the requirements for a ISP box that > has 8 Ethernet ports. We'd like to run FreeBSD in the box, prefer > Intel or Digital 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controllers - 4 per board > would be good. Priced around $300 each. > > If there's someone interested in developing such a card we'd can > participate. Please contact me directly. > > If there's something out there already that fits the bill, > we'd buy rather than build. > > -Alex > > ------ > CSR > Communication Systems Research, Corp. 503-224-4789 > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 11:22:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA27425 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from scanner.worldgate.com (scanner.worldgate.com [198.161.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27419 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:22:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcs@znep.com) Received: from znep.com (uucp@localhost) by scanner.worldgate.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id MAA08322; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:21:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (marcs@localhost) by alive.znep.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA11534; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:19:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:19:26 -0700 (MST) From: Marc Slemko To: Norman C Rice cc: Martin Bokaemper , alex@comsys.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-port Ethernet cards ?? Anyone have them or want to develop them? In-Reply-To: <19980111125441.35963@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 1998 at 01:39:51PM +0100, Martin Bokaemper wrote: > > Hi. > > > > > We're again looking at the requirements for a ISP box that > > > has 8 Ethernet ports. We'd like to run FreeBSD in the box, prefer > > > Intel or Digital 10/100 Mbit Ethernet controllers - 4 per board > > > would be good. Priced around $300 each. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > If this is a per port price, then the Znyx and Adaptec four port PCI > cards will meet your needs. However, if this is the per board price, > then I believe developing a card (or finding a real sweet deal) may > be your only alternative. Also check out the Osicom 2340. $775CDN (~550USD) at Ingram. [...] > > - The controllers are longer than typical PCI-Boards - many Mainboards have > > the CPU or SIMMs in the back of the PCI-Slots so you can't plug > > in two long cards. Get ATX boards and this shouldn't be a problem. You can normally fit full length cards in all slots on them. From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 14:50:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA14980 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:50:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14973 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Mercury.mcs.net) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (jrs@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA22415 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:50:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA28096 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:50:37 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: Venus.mcs.net: jrs owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:50:36 -0600 (CST) From: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II X-Sender: jrs@Venus.mcs.net Reply-To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAID/ DMA33 / SCSI / EIDE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have good info or recommandations on DMA, SCSI, RAID and EIDE Hard Drives. Recommendations?? ********************************* * M C S N E T * * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@mcs.net * ********************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 15:51:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA20258 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20252 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id PAA03330; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RAID/ DMA33 / SCSI / EIDE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For SCSI I'd go with Seagate ST34371W/ST19171W -- my ISP is using them and has no troubles with them. Plus, they are very fast too. Can't comment on other types you asked. I am sure others on this list will :) -- Yan On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: >Does anyone have good info or recommandations on DMA, SCSI, RAID and EIDE >Hard Drives. Recommendations?? > > > >********************************* >* M C S N E T * >* Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * >* jrs@mcs.net * >********************************* > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 17:28:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01084 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:28:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from bbcc.ctc.edu ([134.39.180.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01072 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhett2@bbcc.ctc.edu) Received: from bbcc.ctc.edu (dialup0.bbcc.ctc.edu [134.39.180.249]) by bbcc.ctc.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA24850 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:27:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <34B971B1.F99C333@bbcc.ctc.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:28:18 -0800 From: Rhett Karr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: DHCPD through tun/ppp? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have had alot of success with using the latest stable port of DHCPD on a small LAN, but attempts to get it to serve IP addresses dynamically through a tun/ppp link have always failed. I suspect it has something to do with tun being a pseudo-device. DHCPD works just fine with real devices like a network card. Has anyone had any success with using DHCPD to dynamically assign IP addresses to dialup users? If not, has anyone found any other way to dynamically assign addresses to dialup users on FreeBSD? I am currently using FreeBSD 2.2.5 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 20:01:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA19595 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:01:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from ns2.cetlink.net (root@ns2.cetlink.net [209.54.54.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19590 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:01:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jak@cetlink.net) Received: from hot1.auctionfever.com (ts1-cltnc-22.cetlink.net [209.54.58.22]) by ns2.cetlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12704; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:01:17 -0500 (EST) From: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly) To: drgboc@accnorwalk.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: setting up an isp on bsd Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:02:02 GMT Message-ID: <34ca9fb5.16868181@mail.cetlink.net> References: <34B97BA3.1690@accnorwalk.com> In-Reply-To: <34B97BA3.1690@accnorwalk.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.01/16.397 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA19591 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:10:43 -0500, drgboc@accnorwalk.com wrote: >I am currently working as a PC technician for a medium sized >office products company. In '97 the company added the computer >department. We primarily sell and service PC's and printers but, >against my wishes, we have started designing and hosting web pages on >our LAN's NT server via our T-1. The inherent security risks to this >arrangement alone scares the wits out of me on a regular basis. I don't >have the foggiest idea what can go wrong or how to go about preventing >it. Today, our CEO informed me that she wants to start an ISP by the >second quarter... Was it PT Barnum who said there's a sucker born every minute? > Am I right in thinking FreeBSD can do the job? Yep. > Or am I just whistling Dixie? I'm doing much the same as your Madame CEO, but I'm a computer professional with 20 years experience, and I've devoted much of the last year to learning FreeBSD. Any executive who tells one of their employees to suddenly jump in the ISP ocean and swim is a fool. But look on the bright side. After you try it for a year and your company loses its shirt, then you can put a year's experience on your resume and go get a job at a real ISP. John From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 21:04:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA25966 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:04:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from atlas.iexpress.net.au (root@atlas.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25950 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:04:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mikey@iexpress.net.au) Received: from support1.iexpress.net.au (support1.iexpress.net.au [203.61.175.54]) by atlas.iexpress.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA01302 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:07:13 +0800 From: "Michael Slater" To: Subject: Job Market for Sys Admins Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:06:59 +0800 Message-ID: <01bd1cbc$6a1f2fa0$36af3dcb@support1.iexpress.net.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, After working in Australia for the last several years, for a few medium and small ISP'S,as Sys-Admin, i am considering returning to the U.S where i am originaly from and trying my luck at the job market. Can anyone tell me what opportunities exist in the Portland/Seattle area for a person with 3 years experience with FreeBSD, Linux, Cisco Routers, ect... thanks, Michael Slater From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 21:56:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA02060 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02055 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id VAA10084; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:18 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:56:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Michael Slater cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-Reply-To: <01bd1cbc$6a1f2fa0$36af3dcb@support1.iexpress.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Don't know about Portland/Seattle, but there is sure a huge market in San Francisco Bay Area (aka Silicon Valley). And while it is hard to find a part time job (*sigh* darn school), there are a lot of full time jobs here all the time. After all, it is not called Silicon Valley for nothing. :) -- yan On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Michael Slater wrote: >Hello, > After working in Australia for the last several years, for a few >medium and small ISP'S,as Sys-Admin, i am considering returning to the U.S >where i am originaly from and trying my luck at the job market. Can anyone >tell me what opportunities exist in the Portland/Seattle area for a person >with 3 years experience with FreeBSD, Linux, Cisco Routers, ect... > >thanks, > >Michael Slater > > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 22:32:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA05603 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from radford.i-plus.net (root@NS.i-Plus.net [208.24.67.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA05507 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 22:31:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from st@i-Plus.net) Received: from b.nu (old@b.nu [208.24.67.58]) by radford.i-plus.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04574; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:31:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <048301bd1f24$a6ad4960$3a4318d0@b.nu> From: "Troy Settle" To: "Edwin Culp" , "Diana" Cc: "Stephen A. Derdau" , "David Hawkins" , Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 01:38:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: Edwin Culp >This is a very interesting thread, but the only creativity I've seen is >how to quickly eliminate a customer. Why not create a state of limbo We currently disable accounts if payment is 5 days late. It's suprising how fast people bring/send in their payments. In a year of operation, we haven't lost a single customer due to our business practices. Then again, our users are used to similar treatment from the city for their utility bills, and from Bell Atlantic for their phone bills. -- Troy Settle -- - -- - -- -- Got 'Net? -- Network Administrator | This Space | Explore the world with st@i-Plus.net | For Rent | iPlus Internet Services ICQ: 1625842 -- - -- - -- http://www.i-Plus.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 11 23:42:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA11515 for isp-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:42:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user24148@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11510 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 23:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 12 Jan 1998 07:49:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:49:45 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: Rhett Karr cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: DHCPD through tun/ppp? In-Reply-To: <34B971B1.F99C333@bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If you associate a serial device (/dev/cuaa0 for instance) with an IP, whoever connects with that device is assigned that IP. Check out the ppp.conf.sample file in /etc/ppp. You don't need DHCP since PPP tells the other side what IP to use. If the "client" does not specify what IP to use, it will use whatever IP it is given. DHCP would be redundant. You can set up a simple file with a list of devices and IP's, and use a login script to find out what modem the user connected to and what IP to assign it, or simply use a ijppp. The "client-server" (in quotes since it is actually point to point) IP negotiation is built-in to PPP (for all systems I have used, including Win95, NT, FreeBSD, Linux, etc.). Kevin On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Rhett Karr wrote: > I have had alot of success with using the latest stable port of DHCPD on > a small LAN, but attempts to get it to serve IP addresses dynamically > through a tun/ppp link have always failed. I suspect it has something > to do with tun being a pseudo-device. DHCPD works just fine with real > devices like a network card. Has anyone had any success with using > DHCPD to dynamically assign IP addresses to dialup users? If not, has > anyone found any other way to dynamically assign addresses to dialup > users on FreeBSD? I am currently using FreeBSD 2.2.5 > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 00:13:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA14629 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA14621 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:13:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id CAA17763; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:14:32 -0600 Received: from dial107-137.mixcom.com(207.227.107.137) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma017730; Mon Jan 12 02:14:28 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980112021334.006fe3dc@mixcom.com> X-Sender: mmttnn@mixcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:13:34 -0600 To: Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980104141146.32430@reactor> References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.can tv.net> <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 02:11 PM 1/4/98 +0100, Lukas Wunner wrote: >> During the first year, it'll have to support some 100000 users. >> Of course, we've already chosen FreeBSD as the core OS for this >> after looking to Digital Unix, Solaris and Windows NT. > >My suggestion would be to look at an SGI Origin 200/2000 or Sun U2 box >instead of a PC box running FreeBSD. We have experienced severe problems >with PCs wrt expandability/scalability. E.g., we currently have 256MB of >RAM in our news box but would love to go to 512MB, but the motherboard >is not capable of doing that although the documentation and the webpages >state the contrary (it's a Tyan Tomcat III or IV). If you want to go to >something like 1GB or 2GB of RAM, you're stuck with a PC. The only >solution seem to be PPro based machines, but the chipsets available so >far are really ugly wrt memory and PCI performance in my opinion (as >compared to good old Pentium based boards). The only chipset which seems >to be able to support lots of RAM and more than 4 PCI cards seems to be Quite a few PPro boards have 5 PCI slots and Tyan's S1571 is one Pentium board with 5 PCI slots. Many of the replies to this thread mention memory capacity and depending on what you want to use either 384, 512, or 1024 Mb can be used. Not sure why this is a factor, since in dealing PC based ISP's load sharing and distribution of services is why it works and is cost effective *and* scalable. One factor I see with PCs is mb design with limits on the number of PCI slots and max memory, but then one can use a lower performance CPU and spread the load/services around. Pentium boards do seem to be (by design) intended for home/desktop workstations or low range servers, but work just fine with FBSD. Take VIA's new VP3, it can address a 2Mb L2 cache, but the largest I know of is with FIC at 1 Mb @6ns. It can also address up to 2 Gb of memory and can cache up to 1 Gb, but is there a board that does this? The PPro cache up to 4 Gb of memory. The limits of Intel's VX and TX are ridiculous at 64 Mb, especially when they can take up to 384/512 Mb total. Personally I'd love to see a board that can take more than 384 Mb of SDRAM, but would be willing to accept this limit since more servers can be deployed. FWIW, comparing a P100 with 64 Mb of SDRAM and a P166 with 64 Mb of FPM (didn't try it with EDO and see no reason why not to use SDRAM) show the P100 faster with memory intensive operations. Both are almost identical TX chipset boards. I've know a few people that have run news on Sun's and find FBSD to be better, so you might wish to try an FIC 2007 with a 1 Mb L2 cache that will take 512 Mb before spending big bucks. And I am aware of the architectural differences between PC systems with Sun and SGI, but see PCs as cost effective. Since you have a Tyan, what about the S1668 Titan Pro for the PPro with 5 PCI slots and up to 1 Gb of memory? For my use I am thinking of the FIC, either the 2007 or 2012 and possibly the Tyan. Or both. All 3? ;) I'm not just answering your post but trying to cover a few of the others that I have seen here as well. :) >the Orion GX, one implementation being the AMI Goliath board (cf. www.ami.com). >However, I have not been able so far to get my hands on one of these >boards *without* buying a large expensive box from Compaq et al (it seems >AMI only sells these boards to OEMs, at least I have not found a >distributor here in Germany, if you know of one, please drop me a line). >The Goliath board also requires special (read: expensive) DIMMs, you >can not use standard PS/2s or SDRAMs. Expensive? Compare the price of a 64 Mb EDO SIMM, 64 Mb DIMM, 64 Mb SDRAM DIMM, the latter with SPD, and 64 Mb EDO ECC today. Even though SDRAM w/SPD is very recent they are comparable to plain SDRAM, and slightly more than EDO SIMMs and cheaper than EDO w/ECC, but EDO/FPM DIMMs fall torwards the lower end. Are you talking propriatary? Not fond of any system/mb that has a propriatary configuration. >Experience also has shown that usually you have to invest more time >into getting a PC based server running as compared to a machine which >was designed from scratch to be a high performance/bandwidth server >like the SGI Origin 2000, and time is money (I have spent *several* hours >trying to get the Tomcat board running with more than 256MB of RAM). Pardon my ignorance, but I've always thought of SGI boxes as grahpics designers dreams, not a server for an ISP. I've dealt with them on occasion (regretfully) and know a grahpics designer that now has his own SGI to use and couldn't be happier, but I'd pass. And depending on the services/security it takes me anywhere from an hour to several days (gotta sleep) getting a system running. >Note: this is no FreeBSD-bashing. I'd always prefer a FreeBSD-based >machine to an SGI Origin 2000 if it wasn't that difficult to find >PC hardware which suits our needs wrt scalability/performance. >Any recommendations for high-end PC hardware are welcome. Maybe there is and I made a few, but then even if I had unlimited funds I see no reason to spend more than necessary to get the job done. If the board can handle 128 Mb SIMMs, the Titan pro must since 8 * 128 = 1 Gb and either EDO or EDO/ECC are comparable in price. I worked with a Dell PPro server that had DIMM slots and built in SCSI that was blazingly fast @180MHz w/128Mb ECC compared to a Asus PPro @200Mhz w/256Mb EDO and 2940UW (not mine, but built to my specs). Must say the Dell was a well built system and had only slighty faster drives. The Dell cost about 40% more though. Both ran NT, not my choice. The news server I set up had an Asus T2P4, P120, 128 Mb EDO, 2940UW, Intel EtherXpress Pro100B, and only 2 drives. It would take a full feed, but was a bit slow reading. What was unique is that it ran at 125Mhz, 1.5 multiplier with 83MHz bus, and was able to do some serious disk IO. Also very stable, as much as any news server. Doubling the memory and adding more drives would have helped the reading issue, but news was outsourced. You can still get the T2P4, but it seems to be superceeded by the the TXP4. Plenty of alternatives to the SGI. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 00:41:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA17669 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:41:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA17659 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 00:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id CAA20507; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:42:33 -0600 Received: from dial107-137.mixcom.com(207.227.107.137) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma020500; Mon Jan 12 02:42:24 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980112024131.02cbf534@mixcom.com> X-Sender: mmttnn@mixcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:41:31 -0600 To: jak@cetlink.net (John Kelly), drgboc@accnorwalk.com From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: setting up an isp on bsd Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <34ca9fb5.16868181@mail.cetlink.net> References: <34B97BA3.1690@accnorwalk.com> <34B97BA3.1690@accnorwalk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 05:02 AM 1/12/98 GMT, John Kelly wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:10:43 -0500, drgboc@accnorwalk.com wrote: > >>I am currently working as a PC technician for a medium sized >>office products company. In '97 the company added the computer >>department. We primarily sell and service PC's and printers but, >>against my wishes, we have started designing and hosting web pages on >>our LAN's NT server via our T-1. The inherent security risks to this >>arrangement alone scares the wits out of me on a regular basis. I don't >>have the foggiest idea what can go wrong or how to go about preventing >>it. Today, our CEO informed me that she wants to start an ISP by the >>second quarter... > >Was it PT Barnum who said there's a sucker born every minute? I've heard this plenty myself and if they do go ahead, you better segment the ISP side from the rest of the LAN. Run some proxy that is nailed down or get a dual ethernet router.. I may be consulting with a couple places planning such a move, but wouldn't want a FT position for something likely to fail or be perpetually small. >> Am I right in thinking FreeBSD can do the job? > >Yep. Seconded. >> Or am I just whistling Dixie? > >I'm doing much the same as your Madame CEO, but I'm a computer >professional with 20 years experience, and I've devoted much of the >last year to learning FreeBSD. Certainly an advantage he doesn't have. >Any executive who tells one of their employees to suddenly jump in the >ISP ocean and swim is a fool. But look on the bright side. After you >try it for a year and your company loses its shirt, then you can put a >year's experience on your resume and go get a job at a real ISP. ROFL! Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 02:48:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA27591 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:48:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA27586 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA04393; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:48:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801121048.CAA04393@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Michael Slater" cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 09 Jan 98 13:06:59 +0800. <01bd1cbc$6a1f2fa0$36af3dcb@support1.iexpress.net.au> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 02:48:29 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After working in Australia for the last several years, for a few >medium and small ISP'S,as Sys-Admin, i am considering returning to the U.S >where i am originaly from and trying my luck at the job market. Can anyone >tell me what opportunities exist in the Portland/Seattle area for a person >with 3 years experience with FreeBSD, Linux, Cisco Routers, ect... There's tons of work in Seattle -- it's one of the fastest growing places in the country (with emphasis on high-tech). Portland is definitely growing fast, too. Of course, a good portion of the job market is dominated by Microsoft, but there are plenty of non- Microsoft jobs, if you take the time to look (like StarWave, Amazon.com, etc.) Your best bet would be to start doing some contract work through an agency. I can give you the names and numbers of several good contracting agencies, if you're interested. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 03:06:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id DAA28780 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:06:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hq.seicom.net (mail.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA28768 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 03:06:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from udesign!lukas@hq.seicom.net) Received: from udesign.UUCP by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id LAA23541; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:57:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by reactor.design.de id m0xrhiY-000BijC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:07:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980112120742.56306@reactor> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:07:42 +0100 From: Lukas Wunner To: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: Lukas Wunner , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Luis_E=2E_Mu=F1oz=22?= , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.can <3.0.5.32.19980103121611.007af8f0@pop.cantv.net> <19980104141146.32430@reactor> <3.0.3.32.19980112021334.006fe3dc@mixcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980112021334.006fe3dc@mixcom.com>; from Jeffrey J. Mountin on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 02:13:34AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > Quite a few PPro boards have 5 PCI slots and Tyan's S1571 is one Pentium > board with 5 PCI slots. 5 slots is beyond the PCI specification so the last slot is always non-busmastering which makes it practically useless for any serious use. So we can forget about the 5th PCI slot on these boards and assume they also have 4 *usable* slots. > Many of the replies to this thread mention memory capacity and depending on > what you want to use either 384, 512, or 1024 Mb can be used. Not sure why > this is a factor, since in dealing PC based ISP's load sharing and > distribution of services is why it works and is cost effective *and* scalable. Sure. So how do you propose one should distribute an innd process among several machines? Your suggestion does not work out in this case *at all*. > Since you have a Tyan, what about the S1668 Titan Pro for the > PPro with 5 PCI slots and up to 1 Gb of memory? Have you actually *tested* if this board will grok 1GB of memory or are you just saying this out of the blue, based on the specs published by Tyan? If the latter is the case, let me assure you that Tyan's specs aren't worth a penny when it comes to accurateness. The Tomcat III board is advertised to support 512MB of RAM, which would be sufficient for our news machine. However, in contrast to the specs, it actually only supports a maximum of 256MB of RAM which is not sufficient. I have tested this with lots of different types of SIMMs and with several permutations of these SIMMs to no avail. If the machine has been turned off for a while and is cold, it will (unreliably) report either 256MB or 288MB. In all other cases, it will report 256MB on bootup. Michael Beckmann has reported a similar problem: he didn't even manage to get the Tomcat III to work with 256MB of RAM (the system didn't run too stable). Downgrading to 192MB would solve the problem. As a general rule of thumb, with PCs you will almost always be able to get 128MB to work reliable, more than 128MB is a matter of luck, more than 256MB is practically impossible. I had to learn this the hard way. > Pardon my ignorance, but I've always thought of SGI boxes as grahpics > designers dreams, not a server for an ISP. I've dealt with them on > occasion (regretfully) and know a grahpics designer that now has his own > SGI to use and couldn't be happier, but I'd pass. Of the three German news boxes in the upper 50 ranks in Top1000 12/97 (www.freenix.fr/top1000), two are SGI-based systems (fu-berlin.de and newsfeed.ecrc.net). No comment. > If the board can handle 128 Mb SIMMs, the Titan pro must since 8 * 128 = 1 > Gb and either EDO or EDO/ECC are comparable in price. Sure, go ahead and test it. > Plenty of alternatives to the SGI. Probably not. Lukas. -- lukas wunner unix, internetworking and security engineer lukas@wunner.de LW26-RIPE http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/ Funkmodems mit 2.4GHz FAQ http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/funk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 09:20:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA29663 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from agua.flyingfox.com (agua.flyingfox.com [206.14.52.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29654 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jas@flyingfox.com) Received: (from jas@localhost) by agua.flyingfox.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00214; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:20:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199801121720.JAA00214@agua.flyingfox.com> To: lukas@design.de, mountin.man@mixcom.com Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, lem@cantv.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Lukas Wunner writes: > As a general rule of thumb, with PCs you will almost always be able > to get 128MB to work reliable, more than 128MB is a matter of luck, > more than 256MB is practically impossible. I had to learn this the > hard way. I call your attention to: agua:/usr/home/jas$ ftp ftp.freebsd.org Connected to wcarchive.cdrom.com. 220 wcarchive.cdrom.com FTP server (Version DG-2.0.7 Wed Oct 22 02:30:03 PDT 1997) ready. Name (ftp.freebsd.org:jas): ftp 331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. Password: 230-Welcome to wcarchive - home ftp site for Walnut Creek CDROM. 230-There are currently 1909 users out of 2750 possible. 230- [...] 230-This machine is a P6/233 with 1GB of memory & 142GB of disk online. 230-The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of 230-FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory, visit http://www.freebsd.org, or > Of the three German news boxes in the upper 50 ranks in Top1000 12/97 > (www.freenix.fr/top1000), two are SGI-based systems (fu-berlin.de and > newsfeed.ecrc.net). No comment. Of course, it's difficult to draw any particular conclusion from this. Let's just say *somebody* has to keep SGI solvent; I'm glad the Germans are stepping up to the plate :->. Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 09:47:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA03198 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:47:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA03183 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:47:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20424; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:50 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801121746.LAA20424@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980112120742.56306@reactor> from Lukas Wunner at "Jan 12, 98 12:07:42 pm" To: lukas@design.de (Lukas Wunner) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: mountin.man@mixcom.com, lukas@design.de, lem@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Since you have a Tyan, what about the S1668 Titan Pro for the > > PPro with 5 PCI slots and up to 1 Gb of memory? > > Have you actually *tested* if this board will grok 1GB of memory or are > you just saying this out of the blue, based on the specs published by > Tyan? If the latter is the case, let me assure you that Tyan's specs > aren't worth a penny when it comes to accurateness. The Tomcat III board > is advertised to support 512MB of RAM, which would be sufficient for our > news machine. However, in contrast to the specs, it actually only supports > a maximum of 256MB of RAM which is not sufficient. I have tested this with > lots of different types of SIMMs and with several permutations of these > SIMMs to no avail. If the machine has been turned off for a while and is > cold, it will (unreliably) report either 256MB or 288MB. In all other > cases, it will report 256MB on bootup. Michael Beckmann has reported > a similar problem: he didn't even manage to get the Tomcat III to work > with 256MB of RAM (the system didn't run too stable). Downgrading to 192MB > would solve the problem. I had the same problem with the III's... The IV's can handle it correctly. The problem with the 3's was having a higher chip count per simm than tyan allowed. (if you read between the lines on their specs)... You *can* get 256MB to work on a III if you use simms with very few chips per somm. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 09:57:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA04427 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:57:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from millennium.net (mrvid.demon.co.uk [194.222.140.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04180 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@mrvid.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by millennium.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA03269; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:02:33 GMT Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:02:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Lists X-Sender: lists@millennium.net To: Rhett Karr cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: DHCPD through tun/ppp? In-Reply-To: <34B971B1.F99C333@bbcc.ctc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Rhett Karr wrote: > I have had alot of success with using the latest stable port of DHCPD on > a small LAN, but attempts to get it to serve IP addresses dynamically > through a tun/ppp link have always failed. I suspect it has something > to do with tun being a pseudo-device. DHCPD works just fine with real > devices like a network card. Has anyone had any success with using > DHCPD to dynamically assign IP addresses to dialup users? If not, has > anyone found any other way to dynamically assign addresses to dialup > users on FreeBSD? I am currently using FreeBSD 2.2.5 If your using kernel-level pppd for your dialup users, pppd will allow you to manually set the IP they get (at your end) by using something along the lines of: pppd [other arguments..] 123.123.123.1:123.123.123.10 Where 123.123.123.1 is the address of your dial-in gateway server, and 10 is the address the user will get. You can do this automatically using the secrets file as well. Try a man pppd ;^) L8rz KrOnUs From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 10:02:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA05397 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:02:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05386 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:02:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA24161; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:01:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:01:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Norman C Rice cc: David Hawkins , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user? In-Reply-To: <19980110123645.13588@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > Sounds very interesting.... I know that RedHat Linux has a similar > feature accessible from their control-panel. Would you consider > publishing your script to simplify this task for other providers? > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. I don't mind sharing this. Some parts are crude and it doesn't currently provide and file-locking mechanism but up to now there hasn't been a high likelihood of simultaneous use due to the structure of our operation. Another shortcoming is it doesn't manage the radius users file, which is also of little concern due to 99% of our logins use the DEFAULT entry. Rather than post to the list, email me separately. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 10:23:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA07500 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from hq.seicom.net (mail.seicom.net [194.97.200.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA07492 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from udesign!lukas@hq.seicom.net) Received: from udesign.UUCP by hq.seicom.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with UUCP id TAA13426; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:13:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by reactor.design.de id m0xroWV-000BijC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:23:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19980112192343.62449@reactor> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:23:43 +0100 From: Lukas Wunner To: Kevin Day Cc: Lukas Wunner , mountin.man@mixcom.com, lem@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP References: <19980112120742.56306@reactor> <199801121746.LAA20424@home.dragondata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <199801121746.LAA20424@home.dragondata.com>; from Kevin Day on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 11:46:50AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I had the same problem with the III's... The IV's can handle it correctly. > The problem with the 3's was having a higher chip count per simm than tyan > allowed. (if you read between the lines on their specs)... You *can* get > 256MB to work on a III if you use simms with very few chips per somm. Interesting. What do you mean by "IV's can handle it correctly"? Do you mean more than 256MB? If so, can you elaborate exactly which type of SIMM you put into which slot? That would be really helpful. Thanks! In our news box, I use four standard 64MB PS/2 SIMMS w/o parity or ECC and 36 chips per SIMM. Surprisingly, it works extremely stable. However, when you insert more SIMMs, it will still only count up to 256MB on bootup. It does not matter how many SIMMs you put in and of what type they are (64MB, 16MB, 8MB,... tested them all), nor does it make a difference if you permutate the sequence of the SIMMs in the available slots. Interestingly enough, the board will count up to 262xxxKB on bootup, where xxx is a three-digit number which changes on *every* bootup. And as I said, if the machine is cold, it will occasionally count up to 288MB. We tried this with the Tomcat IV as well to no avail. So if someone has managed to get more than 256MB working in the IV, please let me know. (of course, the documentation and webpage for the Tomcat IV still states that 512MB are supported *sigh*). Lukas. -- lukas wunner unix, internetworking and security engineer lukas@wunner.de LW26-RIPE http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/ Funkmodems mit 2.4GHz FAQ http://www.wunner.de/~lukas/funk/ From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 10:38:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA09320 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:38:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09314 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23749; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:30 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801121837.MAA23749@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <19980112192343.62449@reactor> from Lukas Wunner at "Jan 12, 98 07:23:43 pm" To: lukas@design.de (Lukas Wunner) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: lukas@design.de, mountin.man@mixcom.com, lem@cantv.net, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > > I had the same problem with the III's... The IV's can handle it correctly. > > The problem with the 3's was having a higher chip count per simm than tyan > > allowed. (if you read between the lines on their specs)... You *can* get > > 256MB to work on a III if you use simms with very few chips per somm. > > Interesting. What do you mean by "IV's can handle it correctly"? Do you > mean more than 256MB? If so, can you elaborate exactly which type of SIMM > you put into which slot? That would be really helpful. Thanks! I had 512MB in our shell machine for a while, and it was quite happy. > > In our news box, I use four standard 64MB PS/2 SIMMS w/o parity or ECC > and 36 chips per SIMM. Surprisingly, it works extremely stable. However, > when you insert more SIMMs, it will still only count up to 256MB on > bootup. It does not matter how many SIMMs you put in and of what type > they are (64MB, 16MB, 8MB,... tested them all), nor does it make a > difference if you permutate the sequence of the SIMMs in the available slots. > Interestingly enough, the board will count up to 262xxxKB on bootup, where > xxx is a three-digit number which changes on *every* bootup. And as I said, > if the machine is cold, it will occasionally count up to 288MB. Try going into CMOS setup, under 'Advanced settings' I think, and change 'Cacheable range' from whatever it's at now to 2G, and see if it helps. Their BIOS is rather broken in trying to cache regions outside of available tag. > > We tried this with the Tomcat IV as well to no avail. So if someone has > managed to get more than 256MB working in the IV, please let me know. > (of course, the documentation and webpage for the Tomcat IV still states > that 512MB are supported *sigh*). > > Lukas. I've only got 256MB in my IV now, but I did get it to work with 512MB. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 11:46:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA19495 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19374; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrs@Venus.mcs.net) Received: from Venus.mcs.net (jrs@Venus.mcs.net [192.160.127.92]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id NAA12228; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (jrs@localhost) by Venus.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA21640; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:02 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Security for isp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, sorry to bother you again with isp questions but i wanted know if there are any things such as daemons, ports/packages that i should automatically disable. THANKS John ********************************* * M C S N E T * * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * * jrs@mcs.net * ********************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 12:36:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26073 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:36:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (sys1.london.uk.psi.net [154.32.108.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26054; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:36:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robmel@nadt.org.uk) Received: from sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net [154.32.106.14]) by relay2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.8.4/) with ESMTP id UAA20099; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:36:10 GMT Received: by sys4.cambridge.uk.psi.net (8.8.5/SMI-5.5-UKPSINet) id UAA00341; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:13:16 GMT Received: from infodev.nadt.org.uk (infodev.nadt.org.uk [172.16.99.205]) by charlie.nadt.org.uk (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA08796; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:38:09 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980112193807.00815600@wrcmail> X-Sender: robmel@wrcmail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:38:07 +0000 To: webmaster@polaccess.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Robin Melville Subject: Re: FREEBSD and Windows NT... Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <34B31606.7110@polaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 23:43 06/01/98 -0600, Marcin Pasek wrote: >I know there is a pice of software that will allow file sharing with >WINDOWS system but was someone fully sucesfull in setting up such a >system... We have around 40 Windows 3.11 & 95 PCs using samba on FreeBSD for all their files and printing. Works a treat. The only slowcoach is Access in Office 97 which has dropped to a crawl in comparison with previous versions (of Access, that is). However, I understand from colleagues using Novell & NT backends that this is true for them also. Our main FBSD server handles most of the Windoze stuff, unix shell access to our curses database, appletalk sharing (using netatalk) and email pop collection. Runs forever, needs little attention, is very fast. Highly recommended :) Robin. -------------------------------------------------------- Robin Melville, Addiction & Forensic Information Service Nottingham Alcohol & Drug Team (Extn. 49178) Vox: +44 (0)115 952 9478 Fax: +44 (0)115 952 9421 Email: robmel@nadt.org.uk WWW: http://www.innotts.co.uk/nadt/ --------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 12:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26113 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from aurora.sol.net (jgreco@aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26098 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:36:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) id OAA15650; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:35:11 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199801122035.OAA15650@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980112140534.006e313c@mixcom.com> from "Jeffrey J. Mountin" at "Jan 12, 98 02:05:34 pm" To: mountin.man@mixcom.com (Jeffrey J. Mountin) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:35:11 -0600 (CST) Cc: lukas@design.de, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@time.cdrom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At 12:07 PM 1/12/98 +0100, Lukas Wunner wrote: > >5 slots is beyond the PCI specification so the last slot is always > >non-busmastering which makes it practically useless for any serious > >use. So we can forget about the 5th PCI slot on these boards and > >assume they also have 4 *usable* slots. > > In simple terms, one of the 4 is used to add 2 more (1 replacing the 4th) > and no you can't bus master, which is something I've forgot. It's has been > a long while since I read up on this, but you can get up to 7 I believe. Your average 5-slot PCI board (incl the ones I've seen from ASUS) uses a PPB to deal with the fifth slot (and generally PCI IDE/etc as well), which means that you should be able to bus master on all slots. This is the same way that the Adaptec 3940/3985's work, as well as the SMC 9334BDT, Z314, and other multiport Ethernet adapters. > Still, with 3 SCSI controllers and NIC isn't that enough? Just how many > feeds are you dealing with? I've been sticking 3 ASUS SC-200 (NCR810)'s plus two SMC 9334BDT's in my reader machines these days. Network traffic gets fun when you're running five or six hundred simultaneous readers. Current design is PII/233 plus 256MB RAM, 15 drives, but I may pop for 384MB RAM to squeeze more readers on. newsfeeds.sol.net runs two Adaptec 3940's, an NCR810, and several Ethernets... evening network traffic peaks are measurable in terms of megabytes per second. Of course, the machine's doing a kajillion things, including running a Quake server, Web services, Usenet news analysis tools (see my Usenet Posting Summaries), and also tossing about 200K/s to a bunch of AXIS NetEye cameras (see http://www.ispcam.com). That, and of course, newsfeeds.sol.net is a Top 10 news server. > >Sure. So how do you propose one should distribute an innd process among > >several machines? Your suggestion does not work out in this case *at all*. > > You could have one handle feeds and use slaves for readers. A typical master/slave setup works pretty well. I'm shoveling about four hundred readers onto my machines here, although I've gone higher without noticeable degradation. If you want distributed reading, it's probably The Thing To Do. OTOH, nntpcache might work for a much smaller installation. > >Have you actually *tested* if this board will grok 1GB of memory or are > >you just saying this out of the blue, based on the specs published by > >Tyan? If the latter is the case, let me assure you that Tyan's specs > >aren't worth a penny when it comes to accurateness. The Tomcat III board > >is advertised to support 512MB of RAM, which would be sufficient for our > >news machine. However, in contrast to the specs, it actually only supports > >a maximum of 256MB of RAM which is not sufficient. I have tested this with > >lots of different types of SIMMs and with several permutations of these > >SIMMs to no avail. If the machine has been turned off for a while and is > >cold, it will (unreliably) report either 256MB or 288MB. In all other > >cases, it will report 256MB on bootup. Michael Beckmann has reported > >a similar problem: he didn't even manage to get the Tomcat III to work > >with 256MB of RAM (the system didn't run too stable). Downgrading to 192MB > >would solve the problem. > > No, sorry. This seems to be a problem with Tyan, but then we only have 2 > examples. Anyone else out there with 512 or more? 256 works fine on the ASUS P/I-P55T2P4; 384 works well on the P55T2P4D, and I haven't had a real need to push 512 yet, but I do have a P55T2P4D running 512 (but not running FreeBSD). As always, work with a reputable memory dealer, not all SIMM's are created equal. Dunno about that second rate Tyan stuff :-) > >As a general rule of thumb, with PCs you will almost always be able to get > >128MB to work reliable, more than 128MB is a matter of luck, more than > >256MB is practically impossible. I had to learn this the hard way. > > Surely all boards do not have this problem and I personally don't know > anyone with over 512 Mb. Possible BIOS problem? > > Kevin mentions chip density. I was burned by this a couple times to I > always use the lowest possible density. Not always. I've seen lower density units freak a board that had SIMM's in it that were denser than mfr. spec. -- it's still working fine after a year and a half, too. See advice about reputable memory dealer, above. :-) > Another thing to consider is the number of available sides ie RAS#. If you > only have 6 (or 4 like some boards), then you need to consider if the SIMMs > are single or double sided (thankfully an literal in most cases), but since > you mention having 4 - 64 SIMMs, I'll assume you have 8 RAS#s and the > memory is most likely double sided (common above 8 Mb). Have you tried 4 > 128 Mb SIMMs. > > Frankly I have no clue if you can get 64 Mb, let alone 128 Mb, SIMMs that > are only single sided. > > Sadly most manuals are not clear on this point or do a good job of > confusing the issue by not elaborating. > > This also makes me wonder how wuarchive has 8 - 128 Mb SIMMS. Jordan? > > >Of the three German news boxes in the upper 50 ranks in Top1000 12/97 > >(www.freenix.fr/top1000), two are SGI-based systems (fu-berlin.de and > >newsfeed.ecrc.net). No comment. > > Isn't there a site that also lists the server/OS used? No. > ... and sol.net has 4 in the top 20 and 2 in the top 10. Not sure if they > are all FBSD, Joe? That #20 is a Solaris box... this month. (Cyclone). As much as I hated to run Solaris, I needed a box to develop some Cyclone based filtering software. It'll be FreeBSD as soon as I can convince Highwind that FreeBSD rules. :-) Everything else is FreeBSD. > >> If the board can handle 128 Mb SIMMs, the Titan pro must since 8 * 128 = 1 > >> Gb and either EDO or EDO/ECC are comparable in price. > > > >Sure, go ahead and test it. > > I'd love to, but my budget won't allow for it. Checking the manual gives > no mention of the total RAS#s or if 8 - 128 Mb _double_ sided SIMMs can be > used. And there is a discrepency between their table and prior text, which > makes me wonder it it really can use even 2 - 128 Mb SIMMs. > > -The mainboard supports 1, 2, 4, 8 and 16MBx32 SIMMS. > > -Bank0 Bank1 Bank2 Bank3 Total > -128MB x2 128MB x2 128MB x2 128MB x2 1024MB > > Sorry to say that 16 x 32 is a 64Mb SIMM. A 128 Mb should be 16 X 64. > Makes me wonder. Huh? I'm confused about what's being discussed. 16 x 32 is a 64MB nonparity 72 pin SIMM. 16 x 64 is a 128MB nonparity DIMM. Anyone who gets x64 memory at those densities get what they deserve, though. I'm happily getting 16 x 72 - 60 EDO's, which I can do ECC on. :-) > >> Plenty of alternatives to the SGI. > > > >Probably not. > > If you are talking dozens of feeds, maybe not. What? Why? I do dozens of feeds. And other stuff for fun. All in 384MB. On a single Pentium Pro 200. :-) > Considering the small investment, why not try the SuperMicro that wuarchive > uses? I merely point out the fact that the small price of a motherboard > would be worth trying before spending big bucks. If it works, great. If > not you still can use it for another system. > > I'll rectract my Tyan recommendation, as they don't inspire any confidence. > Never used one, but friends have. > > > Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking > mountin.man@mixcom.com ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 12:37:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA26320 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from smtpgate1.alaska.net (root@smtpgate1.alaska.net [206.149.65.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26295 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rus@alaska.net) Received: from calvino.alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by smtpgate1.alaska.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA26688 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:29:55 -0900 (AKST) Received: from [209.112.136.121] (jdc-p4-121.alaska.net [209.112.136.121]) by calvino.alaska.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14916 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:27:34 -0900 (AKST) X-Sender: rus@calvino.alaska.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199801121720.JAA00214@agua.flyingfox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:20:47 -0900 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Russ Pagenkopf Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Lukas Wunner writes: > >> As a general rule of thumb, with PCs you will almost always be able >> to get 128MB to work reliable, more than 128MB is a matter of luck, >> more than 256MB is practically impossible. I had to learn this the >> hard way. > >I call your attention to: > >agua:/usr/home/jas$ ftp ftp.freebsd.org >Connected to wcarchive.cdrom.com. >220 wcarchive.cdrom.com FTP server (Version DG-2.0.7 Wed Oct 22 02:30:03 >PDT 1997) ready. >Name (ftp.freebsd.org:jas): ftp >331 Guest login ok, send your complete e-mail address as password. >Password: >230-Welcome to wcarchive - home ftp site for Walnut Creek CDROM. >230-There are currently 1909 users out of 2750 possible. >230- >[...] >230-This machine is a P6/233 with 1GB of memory & 142GB of disk online. >230-The operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy of >230-FreeBSD, see the pub/FreeBSD directory, visit http://www.freebsd.org, or And for further details, , [quote] Since so many people ask us about the configuration of wcarchive, here's the scoop: wcarchive.cdrom.com is an Intel architecture PC machine running the FreeBSD operating system. Its configuration is as follows: SuperMicro P6DNF multiprocessor motherboard The motherboard has on it: Natoma chipset 5 PCI slots 4 ISA slots Two CPU sockets 8 SIMM slots 2 serial ports 1 parallel port 2 IDE interfaces One 200MHz P6 CPU ("Pentium Pro") w/512K L2 cache 1GB of main memory (8 * 128MB 60ns EDO SIMMs) 1 Adaptec AHA-3940 PCI dual-channel narrow FastSCSI controller 1 Adaptec AHA-3940UW PCI dual-channel wide UltraSCSI controller 1 Intel Pro/100B PCI 100Mbps Fast Ethernet controller 1 StorQuest ISA SVGA adapter 14 4.3GB fast-narrow SCSI drives (Quantum, Seagate) 9 9.1GB ultra-wide SCSI drives (Micropolis, Quantum) Rack mounted color SVGA monitor The disk drives are housed in 3 industrial rack mount chassis made by Kingston Technologies. Each drive array is connected to its own Adaptec SCSI channel. The IDE interfaces on the motherboard aren't currently being used. Our connection to the Internet is via 100Mbps Fast Ethernet that connects to core routers which in turn connect to most of the major interchange points on the Internet via multiple DS3 (45Mbps) and OC3 (155Mbps) circuits. Wcarchive is physically located at the CRL Network Operations Center in downtown San Francisco. Each month, more than 1 million people visit wcarchive - sending out to them more than 7 terabytes of files (as of November, 1997), with the only limit being the Internet backbone(s). Wcarchive is the biggest, fastest, busiest FTP archive in the world. [snip] [/quote] From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 15:24:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA18141 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18023; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:24:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04153; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:56:22 GMT Message-ID: <34BAA582.F9151DE9@tdx.co.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:21:38 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security for isp References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Disable _EVERYTHING_ then pick the ones you need - and only enable them... If your setting up a public access FreeBSD system (or ISP system etc.) - look in the ports collection for things like 'tcpwrappers' - which will disallow or log connections from hosts which don't have reverse DNS addresses, or better still - get a good book on the subject, something like "Building Internet Firewalls ISBN 1-56592-124-0, O'Reilly & Associates, Inc." is a good place to start - even if your not building firewalls in particular... At the end of the day though - remember the motto - if you don't NEED it, don't RUN it... And the more complex the system / program / setup - the more that can go wrong, not only with the software - but with the security of the system... Regards, Karl ps. Don't take this _TOO_ far with BSD, I've heard of people deleting things like the /usr/bin directory - because they didn't _need_ it - it applies more to Servers, Ports etc. on the system - than the actual _BASE_ system - though it might be a good idea not putting things like C compilers on systems running as ISP servers (as not to give any 'visitors' too many tools ;-) - Though at the end of the day some things are worth the 'risk' factor... Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > > Hi, sorry to bother you again with isp questions but i wanted know if > there are any things such as daemons, ports/packages that i should > automatically disable. THANKS > > John > > ********************************* > * M C S N E T * > * Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * > * jrs@mcs.net * > ********************************* From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 15:35:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA19953 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:35:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19935; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA08684; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:35:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:35:21 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security for isp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > > Hi, sorry to bother you again with isp questions but i wanted know if > there are any things such as daemons, ports/packages that i should > automatically disable. THANKS > > John I recommend you edit you inetd.conf and comment out everything except what you know you need. The stuff that comes off the dist is pretty good otherwise. Make sure you are running at least Sendmail 8.8.6 or better. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 15:50:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA21918 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from limbo.rtfm.net (nathan@rtfm.net [204.141.125.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21846; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@limbo.rtfm.net) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by limbo.rtfm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03226; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:49:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980112184943.12096@rtfm.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:49:43 -0500 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security for isp References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: ; from Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II on Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 01:46:02PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 01:46:02PM -0600, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > > Hi, sorry to bother you again with isp questions but i wanted know if > there are any things such as daemons, ports/packages that i should > automatically disable. THANKS You should disable anything you don't need. In particular it's a good idea to disable telnetd, rshd, rlogind, etc. and enable only sshd. You can have /etc/inetd.conf point these services to a shell script that prints out why they are disabled and asks them to use ssh. You should really disable any- thing you don't need; ftpd is a good candidate. Many people have computers dedicated to local SMB or http but leave services like ftpd and telnetd on for no apparent reason. As to what you should _en_able, you should definitely look into xinetd, an enhanced (security-wise and otherwise) replacement for inetd. I recommend that you use sshd for remote logins instead of telnetd, but this isn't all that necessary if the machine is going to be running on a trusted network, with no access from the outside. tcp_wrappers might also be a wise choice. -- ________________ _______________________________ / Nathan Dorfman V PGP: finger nathan@rtfm.net / / nathan@rtfm.net | http://www.rtfm.net / From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 16:18:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA24984 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24975 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id QAA10999; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Security for isp In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please, don't cross post to different mailing lists. (I am going to take -security off the discussion) Now about security: Don't install anything you don't need. Don't enable anything you don't need. And don't enable any daemons if you don't know what they do or what they are. There is a lot more to security of course.. :) -- Yan On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II wrote: > >Hi, sorry to bother you again with isp questions but i wanted know if >there are any things such as daemons, ports/packages that i should >automatically disable. THANKS > >John > >********************************* >* M C S N E T * >* Johnathan Raymond Sconiers II * >* jrs@mcs.net * >********************************* > > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 12 19:05:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA18572 for isp-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:05:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from land.willinet.net (land.willinet.net [198.49.30.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18551 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tboellst@willinet.net) Received: (qmail 27261 invoked from network); 12 Jan 1998 21:04:12 -0600 Received: from ps57sux.willinet.net (HELO moe.splarg.org) (198.49.30.124) by land.willinet.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 1998 21:04:12 -0600 Message-ID: <001701bd1fd0$92acd1e0$02010c0a@moe.splarg.org> From: "Tyson Boellstorff" To: "Joe Greco" , "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Cc: "freebsd mailing list" Subject: Re: [fbsd-isp] Designing for a very large ISP Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:08:49 -0600 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody loaded FreeBSD on the ALR 6x6 yet? It supports up to 4 GB of RAM of the DIMMage variety, and 2 GB if you go for SIMMs.... I know Jordan and I discussed it some time back, but I left GW2K before I was able to get one jimmied out for him. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 13:40:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28417 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:40:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28405 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:40:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfmays@launchpad.win.net) Received: from launchpad.win.net (notebook01.win.net [204.215.209.215]) by ns1.win.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA25786 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:40:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BD30BB.CD46E7FA@launchpad.win.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:40:11 -0500 From: Joe Mays X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Distributed Webservers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What are the favored methods for running distributed load-balancing webservers here? Also, has anyone managed to come up with a good solution for sharing customer websites between NT and FreeBSD servers? Joe Mays From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 18:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04672 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:54:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from emu.sourcee.com (emu.sourcee.com [199.201.159.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04666 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:54:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nrice@emu.sourcee.com) Received: (from nrice@localhost) by emu.sourcee.com (8.8.8/8.8.3) id VAA00890; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980114215411.41425@emu.sourcee.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:54:11 -0500 From: Norman C Rice To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Remote site monitoring suggestions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status (ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and email or pager notification of trouble. The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE and are connected via T-1 lines. -- Regards, Norman C. Rice, Jr. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 19:11:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07094 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:11:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06819 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:09:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26267; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:09:19 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:09:19 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Joe Mays cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: <34BD30BB.CD46E7FA@launchpad.win.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Joe Mays wrote: > What are the favored methods for running distributed > load-balancing webservers here? How many hits per minute are you wanting? Is this for many virtual sites, or another Yahoo! ? > Also, has anyone managed to come up with a good solution for > sharing customer websites between NT and FreeBSD servers? Shoot the customer who wants to use NT - puts 'em out of your misery. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 20:09:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA15650 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:09:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ultra.ultra.net.au (avatar@ultra.ultra.net.au [203.20.237.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA15542 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 20:09:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from avatar@ultra.ultra.net.au) Received: from localhost (avatar@localhost) by ultra.ultra.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22020; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:12:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:12:02 +1000 (EST) From: Karl Hanmore To: Norman C Rice cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions In-Reply-To: <19980114215411.41425@emu.sourcee.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Norman, I would recomend Big Brother. I believe is in the ports collection ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/ports/net/bb It can be a little tricky to set up, but is quite good. Feedback is by way of a series of web-pages. Regards, Karl ********************************************************** * Karl Hanmore * #include * * avatar@ultra.net.au * * * Phone: 0419 797069 * Ultranet Staff * ********************************************************** * Insanity is a perfectly rational adaptation to an * * insane world. * ********************************************************** On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status > (ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking > for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and > email or pager notification of trouble. > > The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE > and are connected via T-1 lines. > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 21:01:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20751 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:01:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host.berk.com (berk.com [207.16.104.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA20747 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rip@berk.com) Received: from [207.16.107.34] by host.berk.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA30841; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:59:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:59:09 -0500 Message-Id: <9801150459.AA30841@host.berk.com> X-Sender: ber00021@berk.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Norman C Rice From: Jim Palmer Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Norm, You can use systat through an xterm window to monitor all incoming and outgoing data. type: systat -netstat 1 It'll run off the remote site as long as you can at the least get access to the shell(assuming it's unix) and run the program. Or if the computer is on LAN, you could just "sniff." It shows the deamon/port on the local server, the remote IP, UDP or TCP, sent and rec. packets, and socket activity.. that sort of stuff. Unfortunately it's only text base and doesn't log, just dumps to the screen every second. Would like to know of a good alternative, i.e. a graphical monitoring system w/logging. no sniffers. -jp At 09:54 PM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status >(ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking >for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and >email or pager notification of trouble. > >The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE >and are connected via T-1 lines. >-- >Regards, >Norman C. Rice, Jr. > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 14 21:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA22805 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:16:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.triax.com (smtp.triax.com [206.58.96.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22799 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@triax.com) Received: from phrantic (phreaked.phear.net [206.58.96.30]) by smtp.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19854; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:16:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801150516.VAA19854@smtp.triax.com> X-Sender: jmock@mail.triax.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:16:20 -0800 To: Norman C Rice , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jim Mock Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions In-Reply-To: <19980114215411.41425@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:54 PM 1/14/98 -0500, Norman C Rice wrote: >Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status >(ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking >for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and >email or pager notification of trouble. > >The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE >and are connected via T-1 lines. >-- >Regards, >Norman C. Rice, Jr. > Try Big Brother. It's available in the ports collection... /usr/ports/net/bb Hope this helps.. Jim Mock + System Administrator/Webmaster + + Triax Internet Services | Portland, Oregon + + e-Mail: mailto:jim@triax.com | mailto:webmaster@triax.com + + Web: http://www.triax.com/ + ------------- it's somethin' unpredictable.. but in the end is right.. I hope you had the time of your life From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 02:46:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA01672 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:46:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from moat.teksupport.net.au (moat.teksupport.net.au [203.17.1.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA01617 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:45:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au) Received: from magician.teksupport.net.au (magician.teksupport.net.au [192.168.1.2]) by moat.teksupport.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA01665 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:36:53 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801151036.VAA01665@moat.teksupport.net.au> X-Sender: robseco@moat.teksupport.net.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:44:23 +1000 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rob Secombe Subject: iijppp slow to load Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I know this is not strictly ISP related BUT... I have just loaded 2.2.2 on a 486DX25 for one of our customer to be set up as a firewall using iijppp to dial in our service. Now I have done this many times before without a problem but this machine takes literally 3-4 minutes to load /usr/sbin/ppp to the point you can do anything with it. It does the same thing with both the GENERIC kernel and the one I have built and it makes no difference which serial port/modem is selected. I have built 3 of these this week and this is the only one that has given me any grief. It's got me beat... any ideas? Thanks Rob Secombe Engineering Director Teksupport Pty. Ltd. 7 Warwick Avenue, Springvale, Email: robseco@wizard.teksupport.net.au Melbourne 3171 World Wide Web: http://www.teksupport.net.au/ Victoria Australia PGP Public Key: http://www.teksupport.net.au/~robseco/pgp.txt From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 06:27:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24230 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:27:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tsi.gte.com ([205.174.176.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA24185 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:26:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from smorris@tsi.gte.com) Received: from iiohab.tsi.gte.com by tsi.gte.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23843; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:30:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 09:25:15 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Morris To: Norman C Rice Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions In-Reply-To: <19980114215411.41425@emu.sourcee.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look into Tkined/Scotty. I am using it here and it works great. It can be a little tricky to setup but well worth it.It can be located via : http://www.caida.org/~dshimy/Tkined On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Norman C Rice wrote: > Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status > (ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking > for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and > email or pager notification of trouble. > > The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE > and are connected via T-1 lines. > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > ----- Scott Morris GTE Telecommunication Services Inc. Information Security smorris@tsi.gte.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 07:05:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA28556 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:05:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28538 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakob@teligent.se) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA09007 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:04:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:09:22 +0100 (CET) From: Jakob Alvermark To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id HAA28541 Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind when doing this? TIA /Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 07:35:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02173 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:35:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from falcon.accelnet.com (root@falcon.accelnet.com [204.58.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA02144; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:35:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bronald@falcon.accelnet.com) Received: (from bronald@localhost) by falcon.accelnet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) id HAA06471; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:34:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:34:54 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ronald To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Stallion EasyConnect 8/64 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone had any success using a Stallion EasyConnect 8/64 with FreeBSD? There is an unsupported driver included in in the kernel sources '/usr/src/sys/i386/isa/stallion.c' .. and the board is recognized during boot, but I can't seem to find the proper tty's to use with it. I tried using the Linux mkdevnods script, but had no such luck. Any ideas? Thanks! Brian / bronald@accelnet.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 08:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06030 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:14:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06024 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@calyx.net) Message-Id: <199801151614.IAA06024@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 16482 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1998 16:14:47 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 16:14:47 -0000 X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:11:19 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions In-Reply-To: <19980114215411.41425@emu.sourcee.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:54 PM 1/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status >(ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking >for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and >email or pager notification of trouble. > >The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE >and are connected via T-1 lines. If your personal box is a windows machine, then you can monitor all your other stuff using a neat program called IPSentry. Unfortunately, it's not free but it is graphical, it will play a sample of your choice if a service is down, and it will page you using a modem. But perhaps you only wanted a UNIX based solution.. Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 917-381-0500 Voice: 212-965-0946 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 13-17 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 08:16:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06236 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mojo.calyx.net (mojo.calyx.net [208.132.136.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06218 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:16:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@calyx.net) Message-Id: <199801151616.IAA06218@hub.freebsd.org> Received: (qmail 16553 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1998 16:16:32 -0000 Received: from kwesi.calyx.net (208.132.136.100) by mojo.calyx.net with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 16:16:32 -0000 X-Sender: nick@calyx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:13:04 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Nicholas Merrill Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:09 PM 1/15/98 +0100, you wrote: >Hello. > >I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old >version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My >question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux >to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is >there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind >when doing this? Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe the trick to that is to use the DES crypto libraries. But I guess you can't do that from .se? Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nicholas Merrill 24 Hour pager: 917-381-0500 Voice: 212-965-0946 President / CEO http://www.calyx.net Fax : 212-292-7313 Calyx Internet Access 13-17 Laight St. NYC, NY 10013 Email: nick@calyx.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 08:29:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07627 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:29:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA07598 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA27724; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:29:07 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 03:29:07 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Nicholas Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199801151616.IAA06218@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Nicholas Merrill wrote: > At 04:09 PM 1/15/98 +0100, you wrote: > >I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old > >version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My > >question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux > >to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is > >there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind > >when doing this? > > Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe the trick to that is to > use the DES crypto libraries. > > But I guess you can't do that from .se? Get the crypto libraries from ftp.internat.freebsd.org. You'll need to write a little perl script which takes the Linux passwd file and shadow file, and creates a master.passwd file for FreeBSD. When master.passwd has been created, cd /etc ; /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -p master.passwd Then just tar up the user homedirs and untar them on the new machine. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 08:46:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09178 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09090 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:45:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12565; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:45:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:45:39 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Jakob Alvermark cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1509306421-884882739=:11202" Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1509306421-884882739=:11202 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Hello. > > I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old > version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My > question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux > to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is > there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind > when doing this? > > TIA This is site dependent. I started with a linux2bsd.pl script generously supplied by someone who did this before me (see copyright in the perl script attchmt) and hacked my necessary changes in. See the appropriate comments in the attached files. I did a large set of incremental changes and found it helpful to repeat the user transporting process as many times as necessary. This approach allow a complete live switchover from Linux to FBSD (2.2.1-R at the time) with only 5 second glitch during ifconfigs for NIC address changes (after all the bugs were worked out). Keep in mind you will have to adjust search paths or create symlinks to sendmail, perl, cgi-bin stuff, etc. I use the above approach to find problems before the great cut-over. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. 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ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICRuYW1lLCAkYmxhaCwgJGdpZCwgJGFzc29jKTsN CiAgICAgICAgfQ0KfQ0K --0-1509306421-884882739=:11202-- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 08:49:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09487 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:49:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teligent.se (iservern.teligent.se [194.17.198.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA09482 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 08:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jakob@teligent.se) Received: from datorn.teligent.se (datorn.teligent.se [192.168.2.31]) by teligent.se (8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11284; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:48:27 +0100 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:53:12 +0100 (CET) From: Jakob Alvermark To: Nicholas Merrill cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199801151616.IAA06218@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id IAA09483 Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Nicholas Merrill wrote: > >I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old > >version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My > >question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux > >to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is > >there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind > >when doing this? > > Someone correct me if I am wrong but I believe the trick to that is to > use the DES crypto libraries. Aha? How? In what way? > But I guess you can't do that from .se? I don't know the rules for using DES. Anybody? /Jakob Alvermark ------------------------------------------------------- Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 10:01:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16116 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from roxy.sfo.com (0@[205.162.14.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16110 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:01:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sommers@sfo.com) Received: from prose.sfo.com (prose.sfo.com [205.162.14.5]) by roxy.sfo.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA15618 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:00:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980115100202.008f7ba0@roxy.sfo.com> X-Sender: sommers@roxy.sfo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:02:02 -0800 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: William Sommers Subject: Q? - Administrivia In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Will this change be "corrected" or should those of us who filter on Sender: go ahead and make the appropriate modifications at this point? Apologies for the public query; thought there might be others wondering... William Sommers San Francisco Online Televolve, Inc. sommers@sfo.com From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 10:20:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18191 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.camelot.de (root@mail.camelot.de [195.30.224.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18185 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:20:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from knarf@camelot.de) Received: from localhost (1198 bytes) by mail.camelot.de via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:20:20 +0100 (CET) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #2 built 1997-Dec-4) Message-Id: From: knarf@camelot.de (Frank Bartels) Subject: Re: Q? - Administrivia In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980115100202.008f7ba0@roxy.sfo.com> from William Sommers at "Jan 15, 98 10:02:02 am" To: sommers@sfo.com (William Sommers) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:20:20 +0100 (CET) Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heya, You, William Sommers wrote: > > Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Will this change be "corrected" or should those of us who filter on Sender: > go ahead and make the appropriate modifications at this point? > > Apologies for the public query; thought there might be others wondering... The Sender: line seems to be changed about every three months without notice. I am really bored about that, but what can I do? Next time it will be owner-freebsd-owner-freebsd-isp or whatever... :/ Bye, Knarf -- Frank Bartels |UUCP/ZModem/Fax: +49 89 8948040| "Captain, why not just knarf@camelot.de | http://www.camelot.de/~knarf/ | give the Borg Windows?" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 10:49:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA26280 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:49:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from qc.securenet.net ([198.168.76.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26275 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:48:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vandj@securenet.net) Received: from office (office.securenet.net [205.236.147.3]) by qc.securenet.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09444 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:49:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980115135353.00a97340@mail.securenet.net> X-Sender: vandj@mail.securenet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:53:53 -0500 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "John M. Vandette" Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id KAA26277 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:09 PM 1/15/1998 +0100, you wrote: >Hello. > >I'm going to upgrade our mail/www-server. It's now running a very old >version of Linux, and on the new server I want to run FreeBSD. My >question is if there is an easy way of moving the user accounts from Linux >to FreeBSD? Can I just copy the password file and home directory? Or is >there some other way to do this? Any other things I should have in mind >when doing this? > >TIA > >/Jakob Alvermark > >------------------------------------------------------- > Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden >Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 > Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 Linux uses DES encryption so you will need the secure version of FreeBSD then convert the Linux PassWord file to the FreeBSD PassWord file format. There are probably better ways of doing this, but this well get the two in sync, and you can go from there. --begin-- #!/usr/bin/awk -f BEGIN { FS = ":" ; OFS = ":" } { print $1, $2, $3, $4, "", 0, 0, $5, $6, $7 } --end-- Use it like this (on the BSD machine): - put the above in a file, eg. /tmp/pw_convert. - make a backup of your /etc/master.passwd file. - make another copy of /etc/master.passwd in /tmp - get the password file off the Linux machine, and put it in /tmp/linux.passwd. Edit out all the users that aren't your customers. (eg. 'root' 'bin' and all them) - use the script : # cd /tmp # awk -f pw_convert < linux.passwd >> master.passwd be VERY SURE that you use the _two_ '>' signs for the output. - edit the /tmp/master.passwd file, and make sure that it looks right. Check it : # pwd_mkdb -c master.passwd - install it as the new password database with # pwd_mkdb -p master.passwd John M. Vandette **John M. Vandette, Consultant vandj@securenet.net** **SecureNet Information Services Inc. Internet Providers** **100 Alexis Nihon Blvd #940 St. Laurent, Quebec, Canada** **"Who does BSD Unix....?" "We do Chucky... We do..."** From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 10:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA27059 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from zen.triax.com (mfred@zen.triax.com [206.58.96.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA26857 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:53:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfred@zen.triax.com) Received: from localhost (mfred@localhost) by zen.triax.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29531; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:54:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: MegaFred To: Jan Koum cc: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jan Koum wrote: > Don't know about Portland/Seattle, but there is sure a huge market > in San Francisco Bay Area (aka Silicon Valley). And while it is hard to > find a part time job (*sigh* darn school), there are a lot of full time > jobs here all the time. After all, it is not called Silicon Valley for > nothing. :) Ah, but the Silicon Forest (Portland / Seattle) is home to Intel, HP, and Microsoft. Go North my friend, and a Job will be waiting! If anything, there's alot of government jobs up here looking for AS/400 (y2k) conversions, and alot of sysadmin duties for AIX servers. Other then that, just start your own business as FreeBSD consultant... Heck, if you're good enough, we might even contract out to you. :) Joe Triax Internet Services Portland, OR From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 11:26:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01470 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:26:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail001.mediacity.com (mail001.mediacity.com [205.216.172.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01449 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:26:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nicole@mediacity.com) Received: (qmail 3363 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1998 19:25:17 -0000 Received: from geekgirl.mediacity.com (HELO geekgirl) (208.138.36.25) by ns2.mediacity.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 19:25:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:27:35 -0800 From: Nicole Harrington Subject: Re: Remote site monitoring suggestions To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Norman C Rice X-Mailer: Z-Mail Pro 6.2 (Win32 - 021297) Evaluation Copy, NetManage Inc.[ZM62_16E] X-Face: Dy;P!H@)Go.{^Epw&,}@q4ReQ3iOqFrASM63QjFsK/'XnOO67}+{szQ|oo]]`]/.r,g5lx; w+F^YYL4j Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can someone recommend a good/reliable package to monitor the status > (ftp, http, smtp, pop3, system load) of a remote site? I am looking > for a package that has some type of visual output (tty or X) and > email or pager notification of trouble. > > The local and remote sites are running FreeBSD-2.2.5-STABLE > and are connected via T-1 lines. > -- > Regards, > Norman C. Rice, Jr. > We use whatsup gold from ipswitch www.ipswitch.com. It works really well. you can monitor and control everything via the web. Nicole Nicole Harrington |\ __ /| (`\ http://www.mediacity.com nicole@mediacity.com | o_o |__ ) ) Phone: 415-237-1464 nicole@iadmin.net // \\ Pager: 415-301-2482 Systems Administrator ----------------------(((---(((--------------------------------- ******* * * What do you mean Spelling Errors? * * My Modem is Error Correcting! * -- Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do practice -- Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? -- Microsoft: What bug would you like today? ------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 11:38:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02688 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:38:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02600 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:36:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id LAA28334; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:35:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: MegaFred cc: Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org C'mon, who would really want to work for Intel or MS, or even HP? Here we have SGI, Cisco, Sun, Netscape, Yahoo! and other "cool" companies. As for contracting out? I don't think I'd want to leave Silicon Valley.. plus, I still have 2 more years of college *sigh* -- yan On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, MegaFred wrote: >On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jan Koum wrote: >> Don't know about Portland/Seattle, but there is sure a huge market >> in San Francisco Bay Area (aka Silicon Valley). And while it is hard to >> find a part time job (*sigh* darn school), there are a lot of full time >> jobs here all the time. After all, it is not called Silicon Valley for >> nothing. :) > >Ah, but the Silicon Forest (Portland / Seattle) is home to Intel, HP, and >Microsoft. Go North my friend, and a Job will be waiting! If anything, >there's alot of government jobs up here looking for AS/400 (y2k) >conversions, and alot of sysadmin duties for AIX servers. Other then >that, just start your own business as FreeBSD consultant... Heck, if >you're good enough, we might even contract out to you. :) > >Joe >Triax Internet Services >Portland, OR > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 12:21:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA06486 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:21:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from c-serv1.sopris.net (c-serv1.sopris.net [209.38.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA06281 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) From: alex@comsys.com Received: from alexhupp.comsys.com (170-223-49.ipt.aol.com [152.170.223.49]) by c-serv1.sopris.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA08510; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:17:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34BE6EE1.52C4@comsys.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:17:37 -0800 Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Koum CC: MegaFred , Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I feel myself being sucked into this... I think he's right. There is so much more that California has to offer than this area... really - there is no comparison. If you anyone is considering a move to the PNW, save yourself, don't do it! California is where you want to be. Jan Koum wrote: > > C'mon, who would really want to work for Intel or MS, or even HP? > Here we have SGI, Cisco, Sun, Netscape, Yahoo! and other "cool" companies. > As for contracting out? I don't think I'd want to leave Silicon > Valley.. plus, I still have 2 more years of college *sigh* > > -- yan > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, MegaFred wrote: > > >On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Jan Koum wrote: > >> Don't know about Portland/Seattle, but there is sure a huge market > >> in San Francisco Bay Area (aka Silicon Valley). And while it is hard to > >> find a part time job (*sigh* darn school), there are a lot of full time > >> jobs here all the time. After all, it is not called Silicon Valley for > >> nothing. :) > > > >Ah, but the Silicon Forest (Portland / Seattle) is home to Intel, HP, and > >Microsoft. Go North my friend, and a Job will be waiting! If anything, > >there's alot of government jobs up here looking for AS/400 (y2k) > >conversions, and alot of sysadmin duties for AIX servers. Other then > >that, just start your own business as FreeBSD consultant... Heck, if > >you're good enough, we might even contract out to you. :) > > > >Joe > >Triax Internet Services > >Portland, OR > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 15 12:41:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08516 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:41:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from relay.ripco.com (relay.ripco.com [198.4.164.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA08507 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rezidew@rezidew.net) Received: (qmail 23730 invoked from network); 15 Jan 1998 20:41:12 -0000 Received: from soap.rezidew.net (HELO rezidew.net) (rezidew@208.216.242.243) by relay.ripco.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 1998 20:41:12 -0000 Message-ID: <34BE753F.28FFB73E@rezidew.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:44:47 -0600 From: Graphic Rezidew Organization: rezidew.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moving from Linux to FreeBSD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if you are only concerned with homedirs and passwds then you can do what I did: #1) tar up /home (or where ever you have homedirs) #2) make a backup of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow NOTE : if you don't have shadow'd passwds then give me an account. #3) here is some sample script code to help you do an easier passwd conversion. Keep in mind that the passwd file from FreeBSD has at least three more field than the one from linux (I think one is for CLASS) comment above is you host's IP address --- remove me restrict 127.0.0.1 # # Drift file. Put this in a directory which the daemon can write to. # No symbolic links allowed, either, since the daemon updates the file # by creating a temporary in the same directory and then rename()'ing # it to the file. # driftfile /usr/local/etc/ntp.drift # # Authentication delay. If you use, or plan to use someday, the # authentication facility you should make the programs in the auth_stuff # directory and figure out what this number should be on your machine. # #authdelay 0.000036 # # Keys file. If you want to diddle your server at run time, make a # keys file (mode 600 for sure) and define the key number to be # used for making requests. # #keys /etc/ntp.keys #requestkey 65535 At 01:57 PM 1/16/98 -0500, Jonathan A. Zdziarski wrote: >Trying to set up xntpd for the first time - I want to sync all of our >servers up with our main server...I've tried this: > >clients: >/etc/ntp.conf: server server.x.com > >server: >/etc/ntp.conf: client client1.x.com >/etc/ntp.conf: client client2.x.com > >and so on...then started xntpd and nothing syned up. I also tried: > >clients: >/etc/ntp.conf: broadcastclient x.x.x.1 > >server: >/etc/ntp.conf: broadcast x.x.x.1 > >and still nothing. Is there an easy way to set this thing up and make it >work? > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Jonathan A. Zdziarski NetRail Incorporated >Systems Engineering Manager 230 Peachtree St. Suite 1550 >jonz@netrail.net Atlanta, GA 30303 >http://www.netrail.net (888) - NETRAIL >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Peer Data Electronics Technician I Golden West College Computer Services Center 15744 Goldenwest St. Huntington Beach, CA 92647 e-mail: mpeer@gwc.cccd.edu Voice: (714)892-7711 ext 55067 WWW: http://pioneer.gwc.cccd.edu FAX: (714)895-8980 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 13:29:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18208 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:29:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.map.com (mail.map.com [204.71.19.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18204; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:29:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewr@map.com) Received: from mewkie [206.98.41.98] by mail.map.com (SMTPD32-4.03) id A0A04920150; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:26:56 EST5EDT Message-ID: <34BFD1B8.2802FB36@map.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:31:36 -0500 From: A W R Organization: Marcus Garvey Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John D Duncan CC: Diana , Das Devaraj , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John D Duncan wrote: > > er, i haven't cared about this question for a few years, but the > last time i checked USL owned the unix name, and are charged > with the responsibility of keeping SysV the only "real" unix. > > Here's a small list of u*ix-like oses: > > Real unix: solaris 2 (sunos 5.4), a/ux, sco, irix (svr3). > > Fake unix: linux (posix), mach/bsd, 4.3/4 bsd, FreeBSD, > OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, Interactive BSD, solaris 1 (sunos 4.x) > > Not quite unix: minix, coherent, etc. > > Makes unix-people happier: Cygnus Support's libraries for NT. > > ============== > > jddst19+@pitt.edu John Duncan > Freshman, University of Pittsburgh > > "I'm not a doctor, but I ate one at the UPMC..." > I believe your ideology is messed up. a/ux == apple's wannabe version of unix. Perhaps you were thinking of AIX, which is IBM's unix os that runs on the RS/6000 and other ibm risc machines. also, I would include System V, OSF (digital unix), dg-ux, and others. Also, I wouldnt call the Fake Unix section, fake unix. I would see it as unix-like os's based of the BSD 4.4 kernel. This doesn't make them fake, just unix like. Also, the section Not quite unix, is actually somewhat incorrect. minix is unix, just with a microkernel. I suggest while you are at upitt that you go and check out CMU... perhaps they can help you with this. Andrew. -- ------------------------------------------------------- A W R andrewr@map.com "it's 96 degrees in the shade" ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 14:05:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00324 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:05:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tabby.kudra.com (gw.kudra.com [199.6.44.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00319 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:05:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@kudra.com) Received: (from robert@localhost) by tabby.kudra.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) id QAA03016; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Sexton Message-Id: <199801162146.QAA03016@tabby.kudra.com> Subject: Re: xntpd To: mpeer@ponyexpress.gwc.cccd.edu (Michael Peer) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:46:17 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980116113511.009c0210@rustler.gwc.cccd.edu> from "Michael Peer" at Jan 16, 98 11:35:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have played around with how it works, and not had a chance to dive into > protocol more, so sometimes it just seems magic, when it works ;) > > # > # List the sources for our time > # > server xxx.xxx.x.x # stratum x: clock you synch from > server xxx.xxx.x.x # stratum x: 2nd clock you synch from > server 127.127.1.3 # stratum 3: our own local internal clock Setting your internal clock to stratum 3 is a bad idea. It needs to be high enough (8+) That it will never be synced to in preference to accurate time. Sometimes a stratum 2 server might dip down to 3 or concievably 4 if it lost touch with its upstream peer. Even then stratum 4 or 5 time is way better than the local oscillator. There is also the possibility that you might be confused with authentic stratum 3 time by a peer. -- Robert Sexton - robert@kudra.com, Cincinnati OH, USA Cthulu 96 - Why vote for the _Lesser_ of two evils? Read the Newton FAQ! From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 14:17:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01093 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01077 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfmays@launchpad.win.net) Received: from launchpad.win.net (notebook01.win.net [204.215.209.215]) by ns1.win.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA07957; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:38:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34BFD329.B17136C2@launchpad.win.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:37:45 -0500 From: Joe Mays X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lists CC: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lists wrote: > > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > UN*X anyway! > > Any other reasons? ASP. Access database integration. MSSQL integration. I personally have no desire for NT, but these are the reasons are customers want to be able to run things off of NT, often in conjunction with a site under BSD, and I have no desire to tell them to get lost just because I don't care for NT myself. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 14:38:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02666 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from capecod.net (ostb147.capecod.net [207.19.28.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02646 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: (from crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04680; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:36:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Message-Id: <199801162236.RAA04680@capecod.net> To: das@netcom.com, Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD has gid_t. I suspect also uid_t. >From a grep: /usr/include/sys/types.h:typedef u_int32_t gid_t; /* group id */ Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA wrote: >Das Devaraj wrote: [ ... ] >FreeBSD is not full compability with standart, (for example have no >uid_t and gid_t), >but near 95% of standart work. [ ... ] > @= > //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 14:43:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03290 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03241; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03951; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:07:51 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA22469; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:07:51 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980117090750.07770@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:07:50 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Ruslan Shevchenko Cc: Das Devaraj , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: <34BE2D83.36F7DA23@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <34BE2D83.36F7DA23@Shevchenko.kiev.ua>; from Ruslan Shevchenko on Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > Das Devaraj wrote: > >> (This is _reluctantly_ sent to freeBSD-isp also, in case the >> commercial folks - ISPs - see it in a different light). >> >> Can I _legally_ claim that my box running FreeBSD is UNIX? >> Or should it phrased that the OS is a _UNIX clone_. Note that > > clone. UNIX is register trademark of X/Open.www.xopen.org As used in computing, a clone is a copy made to imitate the original. That definition doesn't fit FreeBSD. It's more like a disowned member of the family. >> this has nothing to do with the actual power of FreeBSD. What >> happened after the UNIX name was bought from AT?T by Novell (is >> it public domain now?) >> >> Also is there a minimum set of functionality that needs to be >> supported before something is considered UNIX or even a UNIX clone? >> Have heard terms like UNIX 95, X/Open branding etc. tossed around. >> > > http://www.xopen.org for references. > > Look at http://UNIX-systems.org for online single-unix specification. > > FreeBSD is not full compability with standart, (for example have no > uid_t and gid_t), Where did you get that idea from? They're both defined in /sys/sys/types.h (and thus in /usr/include/sys/types.h). Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 14:47:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03742 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03708; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03970; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:15:56 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA22524; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:15:56 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980117091555.11838@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:15:55 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: John D Duncan Cc: Diana , Das Devaraj , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from John D Duncan on Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 03:34:56PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 03:34:56PM -0500, John D Duncan wrote: > er, i haven't cared about this question for a few years, but the > last time i checked USL owned the unix name, and are charged > with the responsibility of keeping SysV the only "real" unix. > > Here's a small list of u*ix-like oses: > > Real unix: solaris 2 (sunos 5.4), a/ux, sco, irix (svr3). Current versions of IRIX are SVR4. You need to mention System V here as well. > Fake unix: linux (posix), mach/bsd, 4.3/4 bsd, FreeBSD, > OpenBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, Interactive BSD, solaris 1 (sunos 4.x) I've never heard of Interactive BSD. I have used Interactive UNIX. The version I used was a much more conformant version of System V.3.2 than SCO had. I think this belongs in the first group. I also don't like the term "fake UNIX". "Unlicensed UNIX" or "trademark-refused UNIX" would be better. The point is that the versions are derived from a single source. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 15:18:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06679 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06671 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:18:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id XAA09269; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:18:35 GMT Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:18:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow To: Eddie Fry cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spam relaying In-Reply-To: <19980116141203.35607@wicked.eaznet.com.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-ID: On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Eddie Fry wrote: > I have added the following code to my sendmail.cf file in an effort to stop spam relaying. Unfortunately, it is not working. Is there some code I need to remove from the cf file? What is it doing? Denying all? Allowing rrelays to get through? Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 16:58:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12387 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12380 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id TAA02880 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA03465 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:51:18 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801170051.TAA03465@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Login screen,,,,, In-Reply-To: from Lists at "Jan 16, 98 02:35:28 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:51:18 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Lists said: > > Hi > > Few questions I know that they these are basic but I know you guys will > > know this right away... > > > > 1. How do I change the login screent that's displayed after someone logs > > in? > Look in /etc/gettytab, theres a line that reads something like this... > > default:\ > :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=^[[H^[[J\r\nWelcome to FreeBSD\r\n\r\n:sp#1200: > ^ > Just change this bit _______________________/ True. But I have a question. I there anything simlar to 'issue' that is in Sys V. If you are not familiar with this, a file called /etc/issue is a text file, just like /etc/motd. It is 'issued' before the login in prompt. On my older system I had about 3 lines of disclaimers before the prompt - you know the legalese stuff. That's a bit cumbersome to put in the login string. -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 16:58:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA12405 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12383 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id TAA02863 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id TAA03250 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801170043.TAA03250@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? In-Reply-To: <19980117090750.07770@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 17, 98 09:07:50 am" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:30 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Greg Lehey said: > On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > Das Devaraj wrote: > >> (This is _reluctantly_ sent to freeBSD-isp also, in case the > >> commercial folks - ISPs - see it in a different light). > >> Can I _legally_ claim that my box running FreeBSD is UNIX? > >> Or should it phrased that the OS is a _UNIX clone_. Note that > > clone. UNIX is register trademark of X/Open.www.xopen.org > As used in computing, a clone is a copy made to imitate the original. > That definition doesn't fit FreeBSD. It's more like a disowned member > of the family. But it's really not disowned. When the first BSD started from the old version 7 at Berkeley, it was built upon the AT&T code. The 4.4 Lite was the BSD distribution with all AT&T copyrighted code taken from it. Since BSD was >THE< Unix for most of the educational world, I think that BSD is closer to the original than all the Sys V variants - that have strayed a long way from the 'true course' :-). If you look at the BSD manual from O'Reilly, a good hunk of them are just reprints (with slight modifications) from the old Version 7 Bell Labs books I have from about 1983. It even feels more like the old stuff than most of the newer OS'es. But this is just my own warped opinion. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 17:13:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13678 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:13:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13655 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:12:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03291; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:12:13 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:12:12 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Lists cc: Joe Mays , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > UN*X anyway! > > Any other reasons? Because they want to use MS-Access/MS-SQL server/ASP/Cold Fusion etc, etc, etc... Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 17:59:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16334 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16330 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:59:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.3) id LAA13530 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:58:38 +1000 (EST) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <199801170158.LAA13530@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Distributed Proxy Servers X-ELM-OSV: (Our standard violations) no-mime=1; no-hdr-encoding=1 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:58:37 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there a technique, that does not require special hardware, for distibuting the load across 2 or more FreeBSD servers running squid? eg. proxy.foobar.com is really a bunch of FreeBSD servers all running squid sharing the load. Also an important feature would be if one of the servers goes down the others would take over the full load. - Ernie. From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 18:15:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17418 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17406 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:15:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03416; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:14:40 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:14:40 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Ernie Elu cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Proxy Servers In-Reply-To: <199801170158.LAA13530@spooky.eis.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Ernie Elu wrote: > Is there a technique, that does not require special hardware, for > distibuting the load across 2 or more FreeBSD servers running squid? > > eg. proxy.foobar.com is really a bunch of FreeBSD servers all running squid > sharing the load. > > Also an important feature would be if one of the servers goes down the others > would take over the full load. Allocate a bunch of IP addresses to proxy.foobar.com, by putting multiple A records into the DNS. If the squids are all on the one ethernet, then you can arrange some program which detects that a proxy is down, and ifconfig alias its IP address onto a proxy which is OK. ifconfig alias delete when the broken proxy is alive again. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 18:41:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18911 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18907 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:41:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA09272 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:41:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:41:45 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CyberCash(off-topic) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This doesnt have much relation to FreeBSD(it is RUNNING on it tho:)). Is anyone familiar with CyberCash? I can't get it to accept a connection for more than one IP for the credit server. The docs say a comma, ive tried a | still nothing. I am using veriosn 2.1.4, the docs they have online are for 2.1.2... From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 18:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA19798 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:53:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hermes.uninet.net.mx (hermes.uninet.net.mx [200.33.146.225] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19783 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from sunix (ver1_164.uninet.net.mx [200.38.135.164] (may be forged)) by hermes.uninet.net.mx (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA24182; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:53:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34C01DB8.1413B0C1@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:55:52 -0600 From: Edwin Culp Organization: Mexico Communicates, S.C. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.14 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernie Elu CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Proxy Servers References: <199801170158.LAA13530@spooky.eis.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ernie Elu wrote: > > Is there a technique, that does not require special hardware, for > distibuting the load across 2 or more FreeBSD servers running squid? > > eg. proxy.foobar.com is really a bunch of FreeBSD servers all running squid > sharing the load. > > Also an important feature would be if one of the servers goes down the others > would take over the full load. > > - Ernie. Use DNS load balancing. I haven't been able to get round robin to work in squid. Once you have that working you just point your proxy requests to the CNAME that represents the servers and it will rotate through them sequencially with your requests. They should IMO be siblings proxy-only to not duplicate information. If you want to chop it up even more you can direct your proxy requests to a seperate squid that will use the CNAME a it's parent so that each element of each html will be distributed sequencially through the CNAME servers. I cache these pages as a short term cache for instant replays and leave the pieces in the load balanced servers for as long as possible for quick reassembly. provecho ed DNS load balancing add something like this with correct ip's to your namedb. proxy1 A 10.0.0.1 A 10.0.0.2 A 10.0.0.3 A 10.0.0.4 proxy2 A 10.0.0.2 A 10.0.0.3 A 10.0.0.4 A 10.0.0.1 proxy3 A 10.0.0.3 A 10.0.0.4 A 10.0.0.1 A 10.0.0.2 proxy4 A 10.0.0.4 A 10.0.0.1 A 10.0.0.2 A 10.0.0.3 proxy CNAME proxy1 proxy CNAME proxy2 proxy CNAME proxy3 proxy CNAME proxy4 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 19:08:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA20781 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20774 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10341 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:08:57 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: CyberCash Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Never mind. :) Apparantly I had a major configuration error. The only way I found it is we have another server running an older version. The web configuration stuff apparantly isnt very good... oh well, its working now. :) From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 20:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01871 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01859 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@hitmusicradio.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A6221FE30126; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:53:22 -0500 Message-ID: <34C02B96.4C23@hitmusicradio.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:55:02 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: webmaster@hitmusicradio.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: CRY for HELP..... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know I know...it was my fault but How do I get everything back.... I dont remember what it was and I was plaing with passwd file by doing something like vipasswd or joepasswd and I changed the startup directory for root I don't know why but login takes me to the directory that I specifyed but all WHEEL members can't run any command...exmp TOP, JOE, VI, how do I change this thing back to normal....Help> Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 20:17:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA04394 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (gargoyle.bazzle.com [206.103.246.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04364 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ejc@bazzle.com) Received: (qmail 14869 invoked from network); 17 Jan 1998 04:17:48 -0000 Received: from gargoyle.bazzle.com (206.103.246.189) by gargoyle.bazzle.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 1998 04:17:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:17:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric J. Chet" To: Jakob Alvermark cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sendmail, procmail or smail? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id UAA04376 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello www.qmail.org Eric Chet -- ejchet@lucent.com || ejc@bazzle.com Systems Analysts - Specializing in OOA, OOD and CORBA Bazzle Systems Consulting, Inc. Software Engineering Services Empowering Your Business for Internet Commerce On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Jakob Alvermark wrote: > Hello. > > Which maildaemon should I use in my new mailserver? Procmail or smail? > Which is the best? Easiest to configure? Should I use the standard > sendmail? I'm not very familiar with sendmail.cf. > > TIA! > > /Jakob Alvermark > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Teligent AB, P.O. Box 213, S-149 23 Nynäshamn, Sweden > Telephone +46-(0)8 520 660 00 * Fax +46-(0)8 520 193 36 > Direct +46-(0)8 520 660 32 * GSM +46-(0)70 792 16 57 > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 21:39:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04696 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (toasty@home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA04691 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:39:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02642; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:38:09 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801170538.XAA02642@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: Login screen,,,,, In-Reply-To: <199801170051.TAA03465@bilver.magicnet.net> from Bill Vermillion at "Jan 16, 98 07:51:18 pm" To: bill@bilver.magicnet.net (Bill Vermillion) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:38:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > True. But I have a question. I there anything simlar to 'issue' > that is in Sys V. > > If you are not familiar with this, a file called /etc/issue is a > text file, just like /etc/motd. > > It is 'issued' before the login in prompt. On my older system I > had about 3 lines of disclaimers before the prompt - you know the > legalese stuff. That's a bit cumbersome to put in the login > string. > > -- > bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com > That's a really really nice feature that sco has... If nobody else already has one, I'll try to come up with a patch to do this.. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 22:22:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA06489 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:22:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns0.WestBend.NET ([207.217.223.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06481 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:22:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) From: hetzels@westbend.net Received: (from root@localhost) by ns0.WestBend.NET (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA07985 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:21:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:21:59 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801170621.AAA07985@ns0.WestBend.NET> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: wd0: interrupt timeout: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am receiving the following error on one of my drives: wd0: interrup timeout: wd0: status 50 error 1 What does this error mean? Scot From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 22:32:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07047 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host.berk.com (berk.com [207.16.104.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA07040 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rip@berk.com) Received: from [207.16.107.34] by host.berk.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA24775; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:30:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <9801170630.AA24775@host.berk.com> X-Sender: ber00021@berk.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kevin Day From: Jim Palmer Subject: Re: Login screen,,,,, Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes you can put an "issue" before the prompt. Use TCP WRAPPERS. you can get the tcp_wrapper package for FreeBSD-current on ftp.freebsd.org It's a REALLY simple utility. I would actually get the source, then compile it instead of going with the package, easier to manipulate. It was really made for security, but is basically sits before a "wait" daemon as declared in the inetd.conf file. It catches the request before the daemon, and processes the user's IP through /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny I currently have the tcp wrapper to catch requests from the telnet port, and it displays a "banner" from /etc/motd.telnetd and it then goes to the telnetd. It's essentially a way to add tons of security features, along with being able to add a "banner" to any daemon in the inetd.conf I also have the wrappers logging every incoming IP address for telnet and ftp. -Jim Palmer At 11:38 PM 1/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >> >> >> True. But I have a question. I there anything simlar to 'issue' >> that is in Sys V. >> >> If you are not familiar with this, a file called /etc/issue is a >> text file, just like /etc/motd. >> >> It is 'issued' before the login in prompt. On my older system I >> had about 3 lines of disclaimers before the prompt - you know the >> legalese stuff. That's a bit cumbersome to put in the login >> string. >> >> -- >> bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com >> > >That's a really really nice feature that sco has... If nobody else already >has one, I'll try to come up with a patch to do this.. > >Kevin > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 22:52:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08179 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:52:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA08174 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03899; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:52:15 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 17:52:15 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Marcin Pasek cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: CRY for HELP..... In-Reply-To: <34C02B96.4C23@hitmusicradio.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Marcin Pasek wrote: > I know I know...it was my fault but How do I get everything back.... > I dont remember what it was and I was plaing with passwd file by doing > something like vipasswd or joepasswd and I changed the startup > directory for root I don't know why but login takes me to the directory > that I specifyed but all WHEEL members can't run any command...exmp TOP, > JOE, VI, how do I change this thing back to normal....Help> cp /var/backups/master.passwd.bak /etc /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -p /etc/master.passwd /* Daniel O'Callaghan */ /* HiLink Internet danny@hilink.com.au */ /* FreeBSD - works hard, plays hard... danny@freebsd.org */ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 23:12:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09265 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09256 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:12:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03963; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:12:24 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:12:24 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Kevin Day cc: Bill Vermillion , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Login screen,,,,, In-Reply-To: <199801170538.XAA02642@home.dragondata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Kevin Day wrote: > > > > True. But I have a question. I there anything simlar to 'issue' > > that is in Sys V. > > > > If you are not familiar with this, a file called /etc/issue is a > > text file, just like /etc/motd. > > That's a really really nice feature that sco has... If nobody else already > has one, I'll try to come up with a patch to do this.. mgetty uses /etc/issue. You can make /usr/libexec/getty use it too, if you read gettytab(5) and say :if=/etc/issue: Note that because of the flexibility of gettytab, you can define a different issue file for each class of terminal. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 16 23:55:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11856 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:55:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11850 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:55:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04434; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:25:12 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id SAA24819; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:25:11 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980117182511.02714@lemis.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:25:11 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Vermillion Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: <19980117090750.07770@lemis.com> <199801170043.TAA03250@bilver.magicnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801170043.TAA03250@bilver.magicnet.net>; from Bill Vermillion on Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 07:43:30PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > Recently Greg Lehey said: >> On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: >>> Das Devaraj wrote: > >>>> (This is _reluctantly_ sent to freeBSD-isp also, in case the >>>> commercial folks - ISPs - see it in a different light). > >>>> Can I _legally_ claim that my box running FreeBSD is UNIX? >>>> Or should it phrased that the OS is a _UNIX clone_. Note that > >>> clone. UNIX is register trademark of X/Open.www.xopen.org > >> As used in computing, a clone is a copy made to imitate the original. >> That definition doesn't fit FreeBSD. It's more like a disowned member >> of the family. > > But it's really not disowned. When the first BSD started from the > old version 7 at Berkeley, it was built upon the AT&T code. I think we're disagreeing about the term "disowned". > The 4.4 Lite was the BSD distribution with all AT&T copyrighted > code taken from it. Since BSD was >THE< Unix for most of the > educational world, I think that BSD is closer to the original than > all the Sys V variants - that have strayed a long way from the > 'true course' :-). > > If you look at the BSD manual from O'Reilly, a good hunk of them > are just reprints (with slight modifications) from the old Version > 7 Bell Labs books I have from about 1983. > > It even feels more like the old stuff than most of the newer OS'es. > But this is just my own warped opinion. Fine. You're saying "BSD is the real UNIX". I'm saying "yes, but we're not allowed to call it UNIX, because the other side of the family has reserved that name for themselves". That's why I call it disowned. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 00:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14717 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:47:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from xenu.denverweb.net (xenu.denverweb.net [199.45.153.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14713 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:47:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bminazzi@w3page.com) Received: from orion (blaine@sdn-ts-007coauroP11.dialsprint.net [206.133.160.126]) by xenu.denverweb.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA29506 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:48:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C070DA.9C610E6@w3page.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 01:50:34 -0700 From: Blaine Minazzi Organization: What, me organized? X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.32 i486) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: <19980117090750.07770@lemis.com> <199801170043.TAA03250@bilver.magicnet.net> <19980117182511.02714@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just call it FreeBSD. I tell people that we use the best operating system available. It is a BSD version of the Unix operating system. Just like asking for a "Kleenex", telling people that FreeBSD is a "flavor" of "unix" they will know what you mean. There are so damn many flavors of "unix" that it is justly used as a nondescript term to describe a type of O/S. OSF1, Sys V, HPUX, DGUX, Irix, SunOS, Solaris, SCO Unix, Interactive Unix, BSDI, FreeBSD, NetBSD, BSD/OS, NeXT, Linux, venix, AIX, Dynix, Ultrix, AU/X, Centix..... I am sure I am forgetting about a few thousand or so variations, and they have all been called "unix". If someone throws a hissy fit over a name, they need to take a stress pill. I disclose the fact that we run FreeBSD, but I am _DAMN PROUD_ of the fact that we use it. ( Kudo's to the core team. ) Whenever someone gets all bent out of shape about us running a "Free Unix" I remind them that with our income, we can afford any damn operating system on the planet.... And I simply choose to use the best one for the job. The fact that it costs me almost nothing is just icing on the cake. I also see people gloating over the fact that THEIR SERVERS ARE BIG BUCK SILLY GRAPHICS MACHINES ( or whatever ), and not "pc clones running a free unix." I tell those people that it is the customer that pays for the hardware, and if my _wimpy_ little pentium 166's sit here at 90% idle most of the time, Why in the hell would I want to spend thousands on a system that will not be noticably faster for the end user? And, when the silly graphics machine breaks, how fast can you get parts? Hell, we can afford to keep entire spare servers just laying around in case of a failure. Try that with a big bucks machine. In a nutshell, educate the customer to what you use and why.... Blaine From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 02:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA19618 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA19613 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:51:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA15798; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id CAA16546; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:50:53 -0800 (PST) To: randyk@ccsales.com (Randy A. Katz) cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: T3 References: <3.0.5.32.19980116023039.02e6ba50@ccsales.com> From: Tony Li Date: 17 Jan 1998 02:50:53 -0800 In-Reply-To: randyk@ccsales.com's message of 16 Jan 98 10:30:39 GMT Message-ID: <82vhvjqsqa.fsf_-_@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org randyk@ccsales.com (Randy A. Katz) writes: > The only question is: When will they come out with T3? I heard that it > might be soon. The T1 dual adapters can support up to 7MBits on a single > V.35 so you could plug that to a T3 CSU/DSU running at up to > 7Mbits...perhaps there's a multi-V.35 T3 CSU/DSU available...I haven't > needed to look yet. SDL (http://www.sdlcomm.com/) now has a T3 card that works. Note that early versions of the cards had some 'challenges'. ;-) Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 04:54:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26232 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26228 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00734; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:50:36 GMT Message-ID: <34C0A91B.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:50:35 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Mays CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers References: <34BFD329.B17136C2@launchpad.win.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Text: (probability 0) Stage Checktimes: stage1 0.57503 secs, stage2 0.13125 secs, stage3 0.28 secs, Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Mays wrote: > > Lists wrote: > > > > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > > UN*X anyway! > > > > Any other reasons? > > ASP. Access database integration. Available in apache as PHP for no charge with source code. You can define functions and extend as you wish. > MSSQL integration. Apache->PHp->Mysql all free. AND Delhpi->ODBC->Mysql is even sexier. >I > personally have no desire for NT, but these are the reasons > are customers want to be able to run things off of NT, often > in conjunction with a site under BSD, and I have no desire > to tell them to get lost just because I don't care for NT > myself. I had a customer that wanted to go NT until I showed then the above solutions. They now have a site based on these with a Delphi admin app. vey cool!! regards damian -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 05:17:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA27030 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ntserver.computronic.hu (ntserver.computronic.hu [194.149.43.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA27025 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andras.tudos@computronic.hu) Received: from andras-pc (194.149.43.68) by ntserver.computronic.hu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:17:47 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980117141817.01333600@computronic.hu> X-Sender: andras.tudos@computronic.hu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 14:18:17 +0100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3" Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: <34C0A91B.167EB0E7@cablenet.net> References: <34BFD329.B17136C2@launchpad.win.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And how would one connect to an existing M$ SQL server from FreeBSD? Any cool ideas? Andras Tudos C3, Budapest At 12:50 98.01.17 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: >Joe Mays wrote: >> >> Lists wrote: >> > >> > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed >> > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on >> > UN*X anyway! >> > >> > Any other reasons? >> >> ASP. Access database integration. > >Available in apache as PHP for no charge with source code. You can >define functions and extend as you wish. > >> MSSQL integration. > >Apache->PHp->Mysql all free. > >AND > >Delhpi->ODBC->Mysql is even sexier. > >>I >> personally have no desire for NT, but these are the reasons >> are customers want to be able to run things off of NT, often >> in conjunction with a site under BSD, and I have no desire >> to tell them to get lost just because I don't care for NT >> myself. > >I had a customer that wanted to go NT until I showed then the above >solutions. They now have a site based on these with a Delphi admin app. > >vey cool!! > >regards >damian > >-- >* Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net >* CableNet & The Landscape Channel >* http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 05:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28195 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28187 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:42:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA18094 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA16673 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:17:34 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801171317.IAA16673@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? In-Reply-To: <34C070DA.9C610E6@w3page.com> from Blaine Minazzi at "Jan 17, 98 01:50:34 am" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:17:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Blaine Minazzi said: > Just call it FreeBSD. > I also see people gloating over the fact that THEIR > SERVERS ARE BIG BUCK SILLY GRAPHICS MACHINES I represent that fact :-). I work for a smallish ISP and our catalogs will be running on SGI's. (Package works on a limited set of machines - and the SGI - only about 2 times the horsepower of a comparable box running NT, runs about 10 times faster on this app. Not a lot of choices, NT, Sun, SGI, with HP/UX coming soon. I HAVE made a Unix believer out of the MS believer there. Instead of Mighty Supreme he nows sees that MS means Mostly Sucks). However if you keep a sharp eye out, and are lucky to fall into 'deals' you don't have to pay 'BIG BUCKS' for any hardware IF you are willing to buy used and frequent auctions. We got an SGI Challenge L - 2 processors - 256MB ECC RAM and SIX 2 GB hard drives for well under 5 figures. We got a 50KW UPS for under 4 figures. Neither of these new would have been considered. If it's 'name brand' and current production - and IF you are technically competent - there are many things in favor of used equipment. ( or whatever ), and not > "pc clones running a free unix." I tell those people that it is the > customer that pays for the hardware, and if my _wimpy_ little pentium > 166's sit here at 90% idle most of the time, Why in the hell would I > want to spend thousands on a system that will not be noticably faster > for the end user? Absolutely. I see the 'silly graphics' machine running at more than 95% idle most of the time. For servers it's the HW and net bandwidth that counts. CPU power is pretty much wasted for most server stuff. All the non-catalog apps will be moving into FreeBSD over the next month or so. (the HW decisions were made before I got involved). > And, when the silly graphics machine breaks, how fast > can you get parts? Hell, we can afford to keep entire spare servers > just laying around in case of a failure. Try that with a big bucks > machine. Absolutely. But in today's world about the only things that break are memory and HDs. Those are off-the-shelf unless you fall for the marketing hype. The 'factory approved/labeled' pieces are typically 5 to 10 TIMES more expensive than identical part that hasn't been 'blessed'. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 05:42:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA28200 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA28189 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:42:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id IAA18098 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA16918 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:30:27 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801171330.IAA16918@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? In-Reply-To: <19980117182511.02714@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 17, 98 06:25:11 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 08:30:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Greg Lehey said: > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > Recently Greg Lehey said: > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > >>> Das Devaraj wrote: > > > >>>> (This is _reluctantly_ sent to freeBSD-isp also, in case the > >>>> commercial folks - ISPs - see it in a different light). > >>>> Can I _legally_ claim that my box running FreeBSD is UNIX? > >>>> Or should it phrased that the OS is a _UNIX clone_. Note that > >>> clone. UNIX is register trademark of X/Open.www.xopen.org > >> As used in computing, a clone is a copy made to imitate the original. > >> That definition doesn't fit FreeBSD. It's more like a disowned member > >> of the family. > > But it's really not disowned. When the first BSD started from the > > old version 7 at Berkeley, it was built upon the AT&T code. > I think we're disagreeing about the term "disowned". Okay. > > It even feels more like the old stuff than most of the newer OS'es. > > But this is just my own warped opinion. > Fine. You're saying "BSD is the real UNIX". I'm saying "yes, but > we're not allowed to call it UNIX, because the other side of the > family has reserved that name for themselves". That's why I call it > disowned. But even BSD wasn't being called Unix. The BSD people wouldn't want to be caught dead running Unix - which them implied System III, or System V. Up until the early '90s you could only call your OS Unix IF it was derived from the standard tapes that AT&T shipped. About 10 years ago in the comp.unix groups there was a running thread about the 'names' of Unix. I recall that there were about 70 different names for product that came from these AT&T sources, but had been modified. They were all Unix - but couldn't be called that. Then about the only machines that ran Unix were the Vaxes and AT&T product. It's basically semantics, but I think 'disowned' is not the word - derived perhaps is better. You can always tell people that BSD is where networking really got started and if it werent' for BSD we would have the 'net as we know it today. I was at a Usenix conference in 1986 when they showed the map of the network at UCB (the home of BSD). There were 8000 machines all interconnected then - and for that year that was GIGANTIC. So if some one says BSD is not UNIX, you can tell them 'Absolutely, it's BETTER than UNIX'. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 07:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04155 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wci2.wcinet.net (wci2.wcinet.net [204.189.33.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04145 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:25:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pollywog@wcinet.net) Received: from pc.shadypond.com (ppp53.wcinet.net [204.189.33.53]) by wci2.wcinet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA00118 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:25:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801171525.HAA00118@wci2.wcinet.net> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Pollywog Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:25:39 -0800 Reply-To: Pollywog X-Mailer: FreeMail SMTP Client v2.0 Rev 6f (W95) X-WebPage: http://www.FreeMail.com Subject: RE: Re: T3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ->To: randyk@ccsales.com (Randy A. Katz) ->cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: T3 ->From: Tony Li ->Date: 17 Jan 1998 02:50:53 -0800 ->Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG -> ->SDL (http://www.sdlcomm.com/) now has a T3 card that works. Note that ->early versions of the cards had some 'challenges'. ;-) -> ->Tony Do you happen to know if FreeBSD has frame relay support for the SDL RISCom n2csu T1 card? Thanks --Andrew From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 17 07:29:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04528 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:29:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gkbkup2.bridge.com (firewall-user@gkbkup2.bridge.com [167.76.159.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA04508 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 07:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mhughes@logroad.bridge.com) Received: by gkbkup2.bridge.com; id JAA25041; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from dns1srv.bridge.com(167.76.56.13) by gkbkup2.bridge.com via smap (3.2) id xma025037; Sat, 17 Jan 98 09:28:24 -0600 Received: from logroad.bridge.com (logroad.bridge.com [167.76.15.21]) by dns1srv.bridge.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10806; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:24 -0600 (CST) Received: by logroad.bridge.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA28671; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:24 -0600 From: mhughes@logroad.bridge.com (Michael Hughes) Message-Id: <199801171528.JAA28671@logroad.bridge.com> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? To: bill@bilver.magicnet.net (Bill Vermillion) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:28:23 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199801171330.IAA16918@bilver.magicnet.net> from "Bill Vermillion" at Jan 17, 98 08:30:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion said in email to me: > > Recently Greg Lehey said: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 1998 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > Recently Greg Lehey said: > > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > > >>> Das Devaraj wrote: > > > > > >>>> (This is _reluctantly_ sent to freeBSD-isp also, in case the > > >>>> commercial folks - ISPs - see it in a different light). > > > >>>> Can I _legally_ claim that my box running FreeBSD is UNIX? > > >>>> Or should it phrased that the OS is a _UNIX clone_. Note that > > > >>> clone. UNIX is register trademark of X/Open.www.xopen.org > > > >> As used in computing, a clone is a copy made to imitate the original. > > >> That definition doesn't fit FreeBSD. It's more like a disowned member > > >> of the family. > > > > But it's really not disowned. When the first BSD started from the > > > old version 7 at Berkeley, it was built upon the AT&T code. > > > I think we're disagreeing about the term "disowned". > > Okay. > > > > It even feels more like the old stuff than most of the newer OS'es. > > > But this is just my own warped opinion. > > > Fine. You're saying "BSD is the real UNIX". I'm saying "yes, but > > we're not allowed to call it UNIX, because the other side of the > > family has reserved that name for themselves". That's why I call it > > disowned. > > But even BSD wasn't being called Unix. The BSD people wouldn't > want to be caught dead running Unix - which them implied System > III, or System V. > > Up until the early '90s you could only call your OS Unix IF it was > derived from the standard tapes that AT&T shipped. > > About 10 years ago in the comp.unix groups there was a running > thread about the 'names' of Unix. I recall that there were about > 70 different names for product that came from these AT&T sources, > but had been modified. They were all Unix - but couldn't be called > that. Then about the only machines that ran Unix were the Vaxes > and AT&T product. > > It's basically semantics, but I think 'disowned' is not the word - > derived perhaps is better. You can always tell people that BSD is > where networking really got started and if it werent' for BSD we > would have the 'net as we know it today. > > I was at a Usenix conference in 1986 when they showed the map of > the network at UCB (the home of BSD). There were 8000 machines all > interconnected then - and for that year that was GIGANTIC. > > So if some one says BSD is not UNIX, you can tell them 'Absolutely, > it's BETTER than UNIX'. > > Bill > > -- > bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com I would say that FreeBSD is Unix, but you can't call it UNIX. Note that the first unix is not all caps, but the second one is. UNIX is the trade mark of what ever company owns (UNIX) now. There was discussion about this about 2 years ago, if I can remember where I read it, I will post it here. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ _ _ _ , Loghome living is the ' ) ) ) / // ' ) / / best ! / / / o _. /_ __. _ // /--/ . . _, /_ _ _ / ' (_<_(__/ /_(_/|_ Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26271 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from axe.cablenet.net (axe.cablenet.net [194.154.36.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26258 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:44:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from damian@axe.cablenet.net) Received: from axe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by axe.cablenet.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA03637; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:40:28 GMT Message-ID: <34C1254B.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:40:27 +0000 From: Damian Hamill Organization: CableNet Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3" CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers References: <34BFD329.B17136C2@launchpad.win.net> <3.0.5.32.19980117141817.01333600@computronic.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Text: (probability 0) Stage Checktimes: stage1 0.117927 secs, stage2 0.29567 secs, stage3 0.29 secs, Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3 wrote: > > And how would one connect to an existing M$ SQL server from FreeBSD? Any > cool ideas? Use Mysql instead of M$ SQL as I suggested below. > > Andras Tudos > C3, Budapest > > At 12:50 98.01.17 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > >Joe Mays wrote: > >> > >> Lists wrote: > >> > > >> > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > >> > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > >> > UN*X anyway! > >> > > >> > Any other reasons? > >> > >> ASP. Access database integration. > > > >Available in apache as PHP for no charge with source code. You can > >define functions and extend as you wish. > > > >> MSSQL integration. > > > >Apache->PHp->Mysql all free. > > > >AND > > > >Delhpi->ODBC->Mysql is even sexier. > > > >>I > >> personally have no desire for NT, but these are the reasons > >> are customers want to be able to run things off of NT, often > >> in conjunction with a site under BSD, and I have no desire > >> to tell them to get lost just because I don't care for NT > >> myself. > > > >I had a customer that wanted to go NT until I showed then the above > >solutions. They now have a site based on these with a Delphi admin app. > > > >vey cool!! > > > >regards > >damian > > > >-- > >* Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > >* CableNet & The Landscape Channel > >* http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > > -- * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net * CableNet & The Landscape Channel * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 05:13:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA01088 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:13:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA01025 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 05:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA23638; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:16:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA28726; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:15:47 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:15:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199801172315.QAA28726@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: Jan Koum , Alan Batie , MegaFred , Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-Reply-To: <199801152214.OAA22415@MindBender.serv.net> References: <199801152214.OAA22415@MindBender.serv.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ... > >>> As for contracting out? I don't think I'd want to leave Silicon Valley. > > >>Those of us who couldn't imagine living in the bay area, for one :-) > >>(it's bad enough here!) > > > Hehe.. true. Rent is expensive. Traffic is horrible. To have fun > >on friday/saturday night you have to drive ~40 minutes to the city. Way > >hot during the summer. Earthquakes. Everyone has a cellular phone. > > And yet I love this place. :) > > Sounds just like Seattle, except replace ~40 minutes with ~20 minutes > (except in "rush" hour), and hot with "just right". Oh yeah, and lots > of rain. :-) Hmm, why live there at all. Traffic is great (< 1 mile to work), the mountains and the hills are about 5 mins away, the internet connection is solid, why live anyone where you and your 5 million closest friends like to hang out. Montana is the place you wanna to be. :) Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 06:02:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA06231 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:02:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA06202 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:02:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08683; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:00:28 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34C0D59A.74EFBF0D@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:00:26 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck CC: das@netcom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: <199801162236.RAA04680@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chuck wrote: > FreeBSD has gid_t. I suspect also uid_t. > > ?From a grep: > /usr/include/sys/types.h:typedef u_int32_t gid_t; /* group id */ > Yes. The matter is, that FreeBSD not use them in struct passwd, i.e.passwd.git and passwd.uid are int-s, when they must be gid_t and uid_t > Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net > ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY > > Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA wrote: > ?Das Devaraj wrote: > [ ... ] > ?FreeBSD is not full compability with standart, (for example have no > ?uid_t and gid_t), > ?but near 95% of standart work. > [ ... ] > ? @= > ? //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 06:23:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08258 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:23:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sinbin.demos.su (sinbin.demos.su [194.87.5.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA08246 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from skraldespand.demos.su!mishania@sinbin.demos.su) Received: from skraldespand.demos.su by sinbin.demos.su with ESMTP id RAA17594; (8.6.12/D) Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:19:27 +0300 Received: (from mishania@localhost) by skraldespand.demos.su (8.8.8/D) id RAA09581; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:17:38 +0300 (MSK) Posted-Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:17:38 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <19980118171737.56366@demos.su> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:17:37 +0300 From: "Mikhail A. Sokolov" To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: Ernie Elu , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Proxy Servers References: <199801170158.LAA13530@spooky.eis.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: ; from Daniel O'Callaghan on Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 01:14:40PM +1100 Organization: Demos Company, Ltd., Moscow, Russian Federation. X-Point-of-View: Gravity is myth, - the earth sucks. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jan 17, 1998 at 01:14:40PM +1100, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: # On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Ernie Elu wrote: # # > Is there a technique, that does not require special hardware, for # > distibuting the load across 2 or more FreeBSD servers running squid? # > # > eg. proxy.foobar.com is really a bunch of FreeBSD servers all running squid # > sharing the load. # > # > Also an important feature would be if one of the servers goes down the others # > would take over the full load. # # Allocate a bunch of IP addresses to proxy.foobar.com, by putting multiple # A records into the DNS. Or else assign several machines one name, crosslink those with sibling relationships via other "real" IPs. Ugly, but works. # # # Danny -- -mishania From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 06:34:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09639 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA09613 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:34:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA03456; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:19:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801180019.QAA03456@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: Jan Koum , Alan Batie , MegaFred , Michael Slater , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Job Market for Sys Admins In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 17 Jan 98 16:15:47 -0700. <199801172315.QAA28726@mt.sri.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 16:18:39 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >... >> >>> As for contracting out? I don't think I'd want to leave Silicon Valley. >> >>Those of us who couldn't imagine living in the bay area, for one :-) >> >>(it's bad enough here!) >> > Hehe.. true. Rent is expensive. Traffic is horrible. To have fun >> >on friday/saturday night you have to drive ~40 minutes to the city. Way >> >hot during the summer. Earthquakes. Everyone has a cellular phone. >> > And yet I love this place. :) >> Sounds just like Seattle, except replace ~40 minutes with ~20 minutes >> (except in "rush" hour), and hot with "just right". Oh yeah, and lots >> of rain. :-) >Hmm, why live there at all. Traffic is great (< 1 mile to work), the >mountains and the hills are about 5 mins away, the internet connection >is solid, why live anyone where you and your 5 million closest friends >like to hang out. >Montana is the place you wanna to be. :) Raise your own militia... form your own alternative government on the weekends... :-) (Actually, I really liked Montana the few times I drove through it.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 06:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11179 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:46:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from freefall.pipeline.ch (freefall.pipeline.ch [195.134.128.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11139 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 06:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre@pipeline.ch) Received: from pipeline.ch ([195.134.128.41]) by freefall.pipeline.ch (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA319 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:22:29 +0100 Message-ID: <34C2102C.FCC710FD@pipeline.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:22:36 +0100 From: "IBS / Andre Oppermann" Organization: Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > > UN*X anyway! > > > > Any other reasons? > > Because they want to use MS-Access/MS-SQL server/ASP/Cold Fusion Hey, to every one out there: Cold Fusion is *REALLY* one of the best and easyest Web-Database gateways ever seen. They have done a SUN Solaris port with an apache module, so I think it should be NO problem to do also a port to *BSD. Take a look at www.allaire.com and send mail to sales@allaire.com to FORCE them to do a FreeBSD port. -- Andre Oppermann CEO / Geschaeftsfuehrer Internet Business Solutions Ltd. (AG) Hardstrasse 235, 8005 Zurich, Switzerland Fon +41 1 277 75 75 / Fax +41 1 277 75 77 http://www.pipeline.ch ibs@pipeline.ch From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 07:30:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA15050 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from delta.omc.net (delta.omc.net [195.185.142.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA15032 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 07:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lutzrab@delta.omc.net) Received: from lutz.omc.net (lutz.omc.net [195.185.142.3]) by delta.omc.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA05778 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:31:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lutzrab@delta.omc.net) Message-Id: <199801181531.QAA05778@delta.omc.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Lutz Rabing" Organization: OMCnet - IPP To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 16:31:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Hanging SH scripts on 2.2.5 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are running 2.2.5 stable on one of our webservers and experience hanging bourne-shell scripts. (e.g. /etc/daily /etc/security and s.o.) Looks like it happens always on lines like that: MP=`mount -t ufs | grep -v " nosuid" | sed 's;/dev/;&r;' | awk '{ print $3 }'` with pipes. The processes show something like this with "ps x": PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 200 ?? D 0:01.26 awk When I do a "kill -TERM pid" it tells me "no such process". Has anyone seen something like this? We have 2.1.7.1 boxes that work fine, but the 2.2.5 box does weird things. Any hint would be appreciated. Thanks, Lutz -OMCnet Internet Service GmbH- From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 08:15:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA19226 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:15:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19167 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:14:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05290; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:23:44 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id KAA11398; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:23:43 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980118102343.48166@lemis.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 10:23:43 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Frank Bartels Cc: William Sommers , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Q? - Administrivia References: <3.0.5.32.19980115100202.008f7ba0@roxy.sfo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: ; from Frank Bartels on Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 07:20:20PM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 15, 1998 at 07:20:20PM +0100, Frank Bartels wrote: > Heya, > > William Sommers wrote: >>> Sender: owner-freebsd-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Will this change be "corrected" or should those of us who filter on Sender: >> go ahead and make the appropriate modifications at this point? >> >> Apologies for the public query; thought there might be others wondering... > > The Sender: line seems to be changed about every three months without > notice. I am really bored about that, but what can I do? Next time it > will be owner-freebsd-owner-freebsd-isp or whatever... :/ I think the correct answer is that the mailing lists have still not recovered from the disk crash earlier this week. Jonathan Bresler is still working on it. You'll understand that this kind of thing has a lower priority. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 08:22:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20256 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:22:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from onyx.atipa.com (user4207@ns.atipa.com [208.128.22.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA20242 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 08:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@atipa.com) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 1018); 18 Jan 1998 02:47:55 -0000 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:47:55 -0700 (MST) From: Atipa X-Sender: freebsd@dot.ishiboo.com To: Damian Hamill cc: "Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: <34C1254B.41C67EA6@cablenet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out iodbc. It is an ODBC compatible library for UN*X. It compiles cleanly under FreeBSD. I have the tar file if you can't find it. It allows you to write generic ODBC C/C++. I also believe JDBC (Java Database Conenctivity) is included as part of the JDK from Sun. MS Access (and/or MS SQL) should be JDBC compatible soon if not already. I have not seen any ODBC compatible modules for interpreted scripts (Perl, Tcl/TK, Python, etc), but some DBs do have interactive clients that can be easily embedded into such scripts (like Kubl's isql, from www.kubl.com). Kevin On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Damian Hamill wrote: > Andras Tudos - Computronic, C3 wrote: > > > > And how would one connect to an existing M$ SQL server from FreeBSD? Any > > cool ideas? > > Use Mysql instead of M$ SQL as I suggested below. > > > > > Andras Tudos > > C3, Budapest > > > > At 12:50 98.01.17 +0000, Damian Hamill wrote: > > >Joe Mays wrote: > > >> > > >> Lists wrote: > > >> > > > >> > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > > >> > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > > >> > UN*X anyway! > > >> > > > >> > Any other reasons? > > >> > > >> ASP. Access database integration. > > > > > >Available in apache as PHP for no charge with source code. You can > > >define functions and extend as you wish. > > > > > >> MSSQL integration. > > > > > >Apache->PHp->Mysql all free. > > > > > >AND > > > > > >Delhpi->ODBC->Mysql is even sexier. > > > > > >>I > > >> personally have no desire for NT, but these are the reasons > > >> are customers want to be able to run things off of NT, often > > >> in conjunction with a site under BSD, and I have no desire > > >> to tell them to get lost just because I don't care for NT > > >> myself. > > > > > >I had a customer that wanted to go NT until I showed then the above > > >solutions. They now have a site based on these with a Delphi admin app. > > > > > >vey cool!! > > > > > >regards > > >damian > > > > > >-- > > >* Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > > >* CableNet & The Landscape Channel > > >* http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > > > > > -- > * Damian Hamill M.D. damian@cablenet.net > * CableNet & The Landscape Channel > * http://www.cablenet.net/ http://www.landscapetv.com/ > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 09:16:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23762 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:16:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23746 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sderdau@xtdl.com) Received: from user.xtdl.com (user.xtdl.com [206.25.228.20]) by user.xtdl.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA09465 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:32:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Stephen A. Derdau" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Printer problems In-Reply-To: <199801181531.QAA05778@delta.omc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After a few hours of reading the handbook on setting up my panasonic kx-p2123 printer I cannot get it to print. I can print using lptest > /dev/lpt0 However when I try to print anything else I get this error: message.Jan 18 11:30:40 derdau lpd[7149]: lp: job could not be printed (cfA033derdau.xtd l.com ) Here is what the spool directory is showing total 3 drwxr-xr-x 3 bin daemon 512 Jan 18 09:38 . drwxr-xr-x 8 bin bin 512 Jan 18 09:50 .. drwxrwx--- 2 daemon daemon 512 Jan 18 11:30 lpd While I am at it I'll show you my printcap file: ben|lp|local line printer:\ :sh:sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:\ :if=/usr/local/libexec/if-simple:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs Don't know what's up. Hope I directed this to the right list. If not I am sorry! Love FreeBSD though!!! Thank You From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 09:31:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25429 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from homer.duff-beer.com (mail@homer.duff-beer.com [194.207.51.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25422 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scot@poptart.org) Received: from localhost (scot@localhost) by homer.duff-beer.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02023; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:31:31 GMT Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:31:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Scot Elliott To: "Stephen A. Derdau" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Printer problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Jan 1998, Stephen A. Derdau wrote: > ben|lp|local line printer:\ > :sh:sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:\ > :lp=/dev/lpt0:\ > :if=/usr/local/libexec/if-simple:\ > :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs Well try removing the if line.. best to see if queueing and stuff works before you try filtering. Switch the printer off, send a job and make sure it shows up in the queye (see lpq, and do an ls of the spool directory)... then switch the printer on and see if you get any data. If that works then the filter is screwed. As it is, if-simple doesn't do anything (ie. the one you get in /usr/share/examples/printing). Scot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scot Elliott (scot@poptart.org) | Work: +44 (0)1344 899401 PGP fingerprint: FCAE9ED3A234FEB59F8C7F9DDD112D | Home: +44 (0)181 8961019 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Public key available by finger at: finger scot@poptart.org or at: http://www.poptart.org/pgpkey.html From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 09:37:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25843 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:37:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from capecod.net (ost60.capecod.net [204.255.214.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25833 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: (from crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14218; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:36:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:36:46 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Message-Id: <199801181736.MAA14218@capecod.net> To: crtb@capecod.net, Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? Cc: das@netcom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua Sat Jan 17 18:00:26 1998 >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:00:26 +0200 >From: Ruslan Shevchenko >To: Chuck >CC: das@netcom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? >Chuck wrote: >> FreeBSD has gid_t. I suspect also uid_t. >> >> ?From a grep: >> /usr/include/sys/types.h:typedef u_int32_t gid_t; /* group id */ >> >Yes. The matter is, that FreeBSD not use them in struct passwd, i.e.passwd.git and >passwd.uid are int-s, when they must be gid_t and uid_t >> Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net >> ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY >> >> Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA wrote: >> ?Das Devaraj wrote: >> [ ... ] >> ?FreeBSD is not full compability with standart, (for example have no >> ?uid_t and gid_t), >> ?but near 95% of standart work. >> [ ... ] >> ? @= >> ? //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA Well I'll be damned! You're right. /usr/include/pwd.h has int in struct passwd. Somebody fix, please?! And is this the tip of some iceberg? ..Incidentally, I remember an early Perl configure would give grief over gid_t vs.int somewhere. Perhaps in getpgrps or sumpin. Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 11:52:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07949 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:52:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cedb.dpcsys.com (cedb.dpcsys.com [206.16.184.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07878; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:51:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dpcsys.com) Received: from localhost (dan@localhost) by cedb.dpcsys.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id TAA02465; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:51:28 GMT Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:51:28 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Busarow cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 17 Jan 1998, Atipa wrote: > I have not seen any ODBC compatible modules for interpreted scripts > (Perl, Tcl/TK, Python, etc), but some DBs do have interactive clients that > can be easily embedded into such scripts (like Kubl's isql, from > www.kubl.com). There is an ODBC module for DBI::DBD I haven't used it but from the DBI list it sounds like it's still rough but functional and improving quickly. Dan -- Dan Busarow 714 443 4172 DPC Systems / Beach.Net dan@dpcsys.com Dana Point, California 83 09 EF 59 E0 11 89 B4 8D 09 DB FD E1 DD 0C 82 From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 14:03:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17739 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:03:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17735 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA26454; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:13:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 17:13:09 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: Lists cc: "Daniel O'Callaghan" , Joe Mays , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distributed Webservers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org One of my friends (another IPP) finally folded and got Windows NT/4 for frontpage purposes. And it turned it frontpage is still just as flakey on NT :-) Regarding distrubted web servers: Has anyone here had expierence with round-robin DNS? Why not just setup a Server with a Raid Array/NFS Server, then have clients mount the drives and load balance through round-robin DNS? I have another friend who told me sometime ago about this, I will touch base with them.. Dev Chanchani - INetU, Inc.(tm) - http://www.INetU.net Electronic commerce - Web development - Web hosting dev@INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441 On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Lists wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Joe Mays wrote: > > > > > What are the favored methods for running distributed > > > load-balancing webservers here? > > > > How many hits per minute are you wanting? Is this for many virtual > > sites, or another Yahoo! ? > > > > > Also, has anyone managed to come up with a good solution for > > > sharing customer websites between NT and FreeBSD servers? > > > > Shoot the customer who wants to use NT - puts 'em out of your misery. > > I don't understand why a customer would need NT unless they needed > Frontpage extensions, which 1. are crap and 2. are available on > UN*X anyway! > > Any other reasons? > > L8rz > > KrOnUs > From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 18 14:47:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21973 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21969 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:47:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06522; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:16:02 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA13118; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:16:01 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980119091600.39955@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:16:00 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Chuck Cc: Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua, das@netcom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? References: <199801181736.MAA14218@capecod.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801181736.MAA14218@capecod.net>; from Chuck on Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 12:36:46PM -0500 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 18, 1998 at 12:36:46PM -0500, Chuck wrote: >> From Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua Sat Jan 17 18:00:26 1998 >> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 18:00:26 +0200 >> From: Ruslan Shevchenko >> To: Chuck >> CC: das@netcom.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >> Subject: Re: Is FreeBSD UNIX? > >> Chuck wrote: > >>> FreeBSD has gid_t. I suspect also uid_t. >>> >>> ?From a grep: >>> /usr/include/sys/types.h:typedef u_int32_t gid_t; /* group id */ >>> > >> Yes. The matter is, that FreeBSD not use them in struct passwd, i.e.passwd.git and >> passwd.uid are int-s, when they must be gid_t and uid_t > >>> Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net >>> ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY >>> >>> Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA wrote: >>> ?Das Devaraj wrote: >>> [ ... ] >>> ?FreeBSD is not full compability with standart, (for example have no >>> ?uid_t and gid_t), >>> ?but near 95% of standart work. >>> [ ... ] >>> ? @= >>> ? //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA > > Well I'll be damned! You're right. /usr/include/pwd.h has int in > struct passwd. Somebody fix, please?! The correct way to get this done is to enter a PR. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 07:47:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07387 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from info.gznet.com ([202.96.151.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07366 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ding@mail.nease.net) From: ding@mail.nease.net Received: from ding ([202.96.184.208]) by info.gznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06310 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:44:28 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980119234915.007ee630@mail.nease.net> X-Sender: ding@mail.nease.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:49:26 +0800 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Where can I download AFS or DFS for FreebSD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi here: We wan to use AFS or DFS for a test on our system. But we didn't know where can download it? Could someone give some idea ? William ding From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 10:30:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA02403 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:30:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02338 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11739; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:30:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801191830.KAA11739@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: ding@mail.nease.net cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I download AFS or DFS for FreebSD? In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 19 Jan 98 23:49:26 +0800. <3.0.32.19980119234915.007ee630@mail.nease.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:30:01 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >We wan to use AFS or DFS for a test on our system. >But we didn't know where can download it? >Could someone give some idea ? AFS: www.transarc.com Of course, they will want you to send them a big check before you start downloading files. ;-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 11:04:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06643 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:04:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from c-serv1.sopris.net (c-serv1.sopris.net [209.38.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06635 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@comsys.com) Received: from mobile1.europa.com ([209.38.22.169]) by c-serv1.sopris.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13558 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:04:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C3A3A5.7C3F@comsys.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:04:05 -0700 From: alex huppenthal Reply-To: alex@comsys.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Network address translation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We need to setup a classroom at our ISP here in Carbondale. We'd like to use 10. addresses for the classroom systems. Any pointer to success with some version of network address translation, would be helpful. -Alex From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 11:06:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06841 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from millennium.net (mrvid.demon.co.uk [194.222.140.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06831 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@mrvid.demon.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by millennium.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02807; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:55:30 GMT Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 21:55:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Lists X-Sender: lists@millennium.net To: Bill Vermillion cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Login screen,,,,, In-Reply-To: <199801170051.TAA03465@bilver.magicnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > 1. How do I change the login screent that's displayed after someone logs > > > in? > > Look in /etc/gettytab, theres a line that reads something like this... > True. But I have a question. I there anything simlar to 'issue' > that is in Sys V. AFAIK there isn't unfortunately.. :( L8rz KrOnUs | http://www.splash.nu/ | PGP Key Available From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 11:53:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11061 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cam.grad.kiev.ua (grad-UTC-28k8.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11054 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:53:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.kiev.ua) Received: from Shevchenko.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cam.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA13998; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:51:49 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <34C2796A.DE047DC1@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 23:51:42 +0200 From: Ruslan Shevchenko X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alex@comsys.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network address translation References: <34C3A3A5.7C3F@comsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org alex huppenthal wrote: > We need to setup a classroom at our ISP here in Carbondale. > > We'd like to use 10. addresses for the classroom systems. Any > pointer to success with some version of network address translation, > would be helpful. > man natd > -Alex -- @= //RSSH mailto://Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 12:19:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13408 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13399 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA12370; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:18:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801192018.MAA12370@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: alex@comsys.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network address translation In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 19 Jan 98 12:04:05 -0700. <34C3A3A5.7C3F@comsys.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:18:17 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >We need to setup a classroom at our ISP here in Carbondale. >We'd like to use 10. addresses for the classroom systems. Any >pointer to success with some version of network address translation, >would be helpful. As someone else said, "man natd", or in NetBSD "man ipnat". Also, "man ipf" for a more general discussion of ip filters (in NetBSD anyway). FYI, I have a 24-bit address space, 198.232.197/24. I have configured my NetBSD box to translate all packets going out from all hosts with the upper bit set in my address space (i.e. 198.232.197.128 - 198.232.197.255), so they appear to come from my ISP-connected address. This is what appears in my ipnat.conf: map ppp0 198.232.197.128/25 -> 205.153.153.98/32 portmap tcp/udp 1025:65000 map ppp0 198.232.197.128/25 -> 205.153.153.98/32 Note that the code in the ip filter stuff has diverged somewhat between FreeBSD and NetBSD, so this syntax may not be exactly correct for the FreeBSD stuff, but it should give you an idea how it's done. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 12:38:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15390 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:38:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mole.slip.net (mole.slip.net [207.171.193.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA15383 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:38:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dnelson@slip.net) Received: from slip-3.slip.net [207.171.193.17] (dnelson) by mole.slip.net with smtp (Exim 1.73 #2) id 0xuNS7-0005zA-00; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:05:47 -0800 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:05:44 -0800 (PST) From: Dru Nelson X-Sender: dnelson@slip-3 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? In-Reply-To: <34BE2D83.36F7DA23@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. I'm in the SF Bay area and I've called the few vendors my company uses for 'systems'. They can't identify which parts I need. What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but what is really needed is a company that will be around in 5 years. Dru Nelson Menlo Park, CA From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 12:54:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16579 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nexus6.source.net (nexus6.source.net [206.100.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16526 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rh@alpine.net) Received: from nexus6.source.net (nexus6.source.net [206.100.10.4]) by nexus6.source.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05314; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:54:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:54:23 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Hodges X-Sender: rh@nexus6.source.net To: Dru Nelson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Dru Nelson wrote: > There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. I like the model 489 from Sliger Designs. The motherboard mounts in back, and the entire front is available for many, many drives. > What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be > for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but > what is really needed is a company that will be around in > 5 years. Try www.siliconrax.com, they are in your back yard. I believe they want around $450 for the Sliger 489. Yep, they are a bit expensive. All the best, -Richard -------------------------------------------- Richard Hodges | (702) 332-3200 Alpine / SourceNet | 200 South Virginia St. rh@alpine.net | Suite 460 finger for pgp key | Reno, NV 89501 From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 13:01:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17447 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from red.juniper.net (red.juniper.net [208.197.169.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17431 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tli@juniper.net) Received: from chimp.juniper.net (chimp.juniper.net [208.197.169.196]) by red.juniper.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19328; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tli@localhost) by chimp.juniper.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) id MAA23477; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:59:56 -0800 (PST) To: dnelson@slip.net (Dru Nelson) cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? References: <34BE2D83.36F7DA23@Shevchenko.kiev.ua> From: Tony Li Date: 19 Jan 1998 12:59:56 -0800 In-Reply-To: dnelson@slip.net's message of 19 Jan 98 20:05:44 GMT Message-ID: <82u3b0tc1f.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org dnelson@slip.net (Dru Nelson) writes: > I'm in the SF Bay area and I've called the few vendors my > company uses for 'systems'. They can't identify which parts > I need. > > What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be > for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but > what is really needed is a company that will be around in > 5 years. You might try Appro International. They're in Milpitas and seem to do good work. They are a big contract house to a rather large networking firm so their continued existence is pretty much as good as you'll get. If you wanna see my recommendation for a rackmount chassis, ask them to show you the one they did for Juniper. ;-) Of course, my requirements may not match yours... Tony From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 13:14:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18437 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:14:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [205.153.153.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18425 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from begonia@mx.serv.net) Received: from localhost (begonia@localhost) by mx.serv.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05478 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:14:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:14:05 -0800 (PST) From: Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? In-Reply-To: <82u3b0tc1f.fsf@chimp.juniper.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19 Jan 1998, Tony Li wrote: > You might try Appro International. They're in Milpitas and seem to do > good work. They are a big contract house to a rather large networking firm > so their continued existence is pretty much as good as you'll get. I'd second that recommendation. The prices are pretty reasonable (comparitively) and they have always been very prompt in getting our cases sent out to us. Sonja Jo Krenz-Bush ServNet Internet Services sjkb@serv.net http://www.serv.net/~begonia ``Just another one of the flock following the herd.'' From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 13:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19254 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from electric.tbe.net (electric.tbe.net [208.208.122.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA19248 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:23:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: (qmail 6612 invoked from network); 19 Jan 1998 21:18:27 -0000 Received: from shock.tbe.net (gary@208.208.122.6) by electric.tbe.net with SMTP; 19 Jan 1998 21:18:27 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Dru Nelson cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > > There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. > > I'm in the SF Bay area and I've called the few vendors my > company uses for 'systems'. They can't identify which parts > I need. > > What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be > for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but > what is really needed is a company that will be around in > 5 years. > > Dru Nelson > Menlo Park, CA Heya... I eventually went with a place close by us in Northern NJ, Ango Electronics Corp. (http://www.ango.com). We ordered 10 standard AT rackmount cases and got them for $175 apiece. For our needs they are constructed well, all aluminum so they are considerably more lightweight and the heat dissipation is better. They do ATX cases, but they are more (how much I couldn't tell you exactly). They will do custom encloures, and they are quite easy to deal with once you get by the heavy oriental accent the owner (John) has. We are very happy with them, and will definately order more from them. They make all sorts of rack equipment and other cabinets and enclosures, and they have been around for quite a while already, so they look like they will stay around for a while to come yet. ______________________________________________________________ -Gary Margiotta Voice: (973) 835-9696 TBE Internet Services Fax: (973) 256-4605 http://www.tbe.net E-Mail: gary@tbe.net From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 13:49:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21266 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:49:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from us.net (laurel.us.net [198.240.72.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21247 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:49:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jjw@us.net) Received: from q.jjw.us.net (q.jjw.us.net [207.244.202.2]) by us.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27945 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:48:19 -0500 (EST) X-Provider: US Net - Advanced Internet Services - (301) 572-5926 - info@us.net Where Business Connects! (tm) -- http://www.us.net/ Message-ID: <34C3C56F.2781E494@us.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:28:15 -0500 From: John Woodruff Organization: US Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dru Nelson wrote: > There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. Note that there are many flavors. Some "rack-mount" cases are nothing more than ordinary cases with ears on the front, which are pretty useless without shelf rails to support the whole box (they do look impressive, though...) Decide if you want slide-out rails, or if simple case supports are good enough. This depends on what kind of "rack" you're putting the boxen in - enclosed vs telco, etc... This is all independent of the front-accessable, pluggable, or hot-pluggable drive/board/powersupply dimension - I'm just talking case mounting. -- John Woodruff, Sr. Network Engineer, US Net - 301-572-5926 Washington/Baltimore/Richmond ISP - $6.95/month for full PPP! From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 13:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21714 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:53:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hal-pc.org (hal-pc.org [204.52.135.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21705 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:53:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@hal-pc.org) Received: (from reg@localhost) by hal-pc.org (8.8.5/8.6.9) id PAA08895; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:53:20 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801192153.PAA08895@hal-pc.org> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.6) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:53:13 -0600 From: "Robert E. Gunn" Reply-To: "Robert E. Gunn" Subject: Re: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Addressed to: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Dru Nelson > Hi, > > There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. > > I'm in the SF Bay area and I've called the few vendors my > company uses for 'systems'. They can't identify which parts > I need. > > What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be > for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but > what is really needed is a company that will be around in > 5 years. > > Dru Nelson > Menlo Park, CA Try Integrand. I've used their equipment since the S-100 days and always been happy with it. Nothing flashy, but solid as a rock and I like linear power supplies in critical applications. http://www.integrandresearch.com/ -- Robert Gunn <>|Post Office Box 27474 |Voice:+1 713 960 1588 reg@hal-pc.org <>|Houston,Texas 77227-7474|Fax: +1 713 960 9497 HAL-PC: The world's largest computer club and a lot more! I have just received information from a generally reliable source deep within NASA that the latest failure of the main computer onboard MIR occurred when Russian cosmonauts attempted to delete Microsoft's Internet Explorer. From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 23:24:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11124 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:24:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from shell6.ba.best.com (jkb@shell6.ba.best.com [206.184.139.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11113 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:24:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkb@best.com) Received: from localhost (jkb@localhost) by shell6.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id XAA26114; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: shell6.ba.best.com: jkb owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:24:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jan Koum X-Sender: jkb@shell6.ba.best.com To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: alex@comsys.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Network address translation In-Reply-To: <199801192018.MAA12370@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And if you are using a dial up connection, you can use ppp with "-alias" switch to do IP aliasing. 'man ppp' for more info. -- Yan On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > >>We need to setup a classroom at our ISP here in Carbondale. >>We'd like to use 10. addresses for the classroom systems. Any >>pointer to success with some version of network address translation, >>would be helpful. > >As someone else said, "man natd", or in NetBSD "man ipnat". Also, >"man ipf" for a more general discussion of ip filters (in NetBSD >anyway). > >FYI, I have a 24-bit address space, 198.232.197/24. I have configured >my NetBSD box to translate all packets going out from all hosts with >the upper bit set in my address space (i.e. 198.232.197.128 - >198.232.197.255), so they appear to come from my ISP-connected >address. This is what appears in my ipnat.conf: > >map ppp0 198.232.197.128/25 -> 205.153.153.98/32 portmap tcp/udp 1025:65000 >map ppp0 198.232.197.128/25 -> 205.153.153.98/32 > >Note that the code in the ip filter stuff has diverged somewhat >between FreeBSD and NetBSD, so this syntax may not be exactly correct >for the FreeBSD stuff, but it should give you an idea how it's done. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net > Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. > Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. > > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 19 23:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13388 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:56:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wingnut.spacemonster.org (wingnut.spacemonster.org [209.20.148.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13384 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:56:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bryn@spacemonster.org) Received: from monster.spacemonster.org (monster.spacemonster.org [209.20.148.97]) by wingnut.spacemonster.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA09525 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:56:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <006301bd2578$d950db20$619414d1@monster.spacemonster.org> From: "Bryn Wm. Moslow" To: Subject: Re: Rackmount cases Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 23:55:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Check out http://www.aberdeeninc.com, I just got an AT rack case from them and it's quite adequate - even came with a few extra screws. (Well, hopefully extra =) They actually have an entire section devoted to 19" rackmount. The turnaround for ground-delivery UPS was just over 3 weeks from California to Seattle, WA. -----Original Message----- From: Dru Nelson To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Rackmount cases - what was the result of that thread? > > Hi, > > There was a thread a month or so back on rackmount cases. > > I'm in the SF Bay area and I've called the few vendors my > company uses for 'systems'. They can't identify which parts > I need. > > What was the recommended rackmount, ATX case (this will be > for a PII ATX motherboard). Mail order or local is OK, but > what is really needed is a company that will be around in > 5 years. > > Dru Nelson > Menlo Park, CA > > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 05:01:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03691 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from breadfruit.seychelles.net (breadfruit.seychelles.net [202.84.227.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03681 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 05:00:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Received: from Atlas.seychelles.net ([202.84.227.21]) by breadfruit.seychelles.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id NAA12304 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:00:50 GMT Message-ID: <34C49D6E.39BA@seychelles.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:49:50 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Generator Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We are small ISP in the Seychelles. I am having power cuts often from our local Electricity company and UPS last only about 1 hr. I am interested in purchasing a generator that could keep us going on the worst situation for about one day. We have: Five servers, 1 PM3-E, 1 PM 2E with 25 rack modems and 5 external, Two routers, some telecom equipment (does much power required). Can anyone recommend a small generator or the kind of specifications I should look for when getting one. The normal supply here is 240V and 50Hz. We don't mind manually having to switch the UPS from the mains to the generator. Thank you. -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax :+248 324565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@creole.seychelles.net :-) From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 07:07:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06390 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:07:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (root@magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA06383 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:07:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@bilver.magicnet.net) Received: from bilver.magicnet.net (root@localhost) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with UUCP id JAA14374 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:15:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.magicnet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) id IAA18473 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:23 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Vermillion Message-Id: <199801201348.IAA18473@bilver.magicnet.net> Subject: Re: Generator In-Reply-To: <34C49D6E.39BA@seychelles.net> from Muditha Gunatilake at "Jan 20, 98 04:49:50 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:48:23 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently Muditha Gunatilake said: > Hi, > We are small ISP in the Seychelles. I am having power cuts often from > our local Electricity company and UPS last only about 1 hr. > I am interested in purchasing a generator that could keep us going on > the worst situation for about one day. > > We have: > Five servers, 1 PM3-E, 1 PM 2E with 25 rack modems and 5 external, > Two routers, some telecom equipment (does much power required). > Can anyone recommend a small generator or the kind of specifications I > should look for when getting one. The normal supply here is 240V and > 50Hz. We don't mind manually having to switch the UPS from the mains to > the generator. Check out the UPS 'systems' from BEST. The come in varying capacities and have optional generators that work in conjunction with these systems. If the power goes out the UPS comes on line. If the UPS gets to a certain point it will automatically fire up the generator. Capacities vary and the largest ones are diesel only - you probably only need the gasoline units. You don't have to do a thing, and since it's a complete system you know that it will as a unit. Bill -- bill@bilver.magicnet.net | bill@bilver.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 07:14:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA07423 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from MindBender.serv.net (mindbender.serv.net [205.153.153.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA07408 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:14:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16670; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:14:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801201514.HAA16670@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Bryn Wm. Moslow" cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackmount cases In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 19 Jan 98 23:55:59 -0800. <006301bd2578$d950db20$619414d1@monster.spacemonster.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:14:34 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Check out http://www.aberdeeninc.com, I just got an AT rack case from them >and it's quite adequate - even came with a few extra screws. (Well, >hopefully extra =) They actually have an entire section devoted to 19" >rackmount. The turnaround for ground-delivery UPS was just over 3 weeks from >California to Seattle, WA. UPS ground shouldn't take more than five days from anywhere in the country. UPS ground from California to Washington should take about three days. As usual, Aberdeen is pathetically slow. Don't buy from Aberdeen. Their customer service is awful. They're nice and friendly to talk to, but they will literally take weeks to turn around service requests that should take a day or two. And they will do it consistently, time after time. FWIW, I also bought a full tower case from them (admittedly the super- cheap variety, but...) and it was the worst construction of any case I have seen. I'm sure their more expensive cases are better, but I still can't support them from the service angle. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Contract software development for Windows NT, Windows 95 and Unix. Windows NT and Unix server development in C++ and C. --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 07:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09902 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wopr.inetu.net (wopr.inetu.net [207.18.13.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09889 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:33:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dev@wopr.inetu.net) Received: from localhost (dev@localhost) by wopr.inetu.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08973; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:42:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Dev Chanchani To: Muditha Gunatilake cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Generator In-Reply-To: <34C49D6E.39BA@seychelles.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Muditha, This is our configuration, and it works especially well: Our network that needs constant power: (a) 14 Pentium II Servers (b) 1 Bay Stack 303 Switch, 1 Bay 7 Port sw507 and 1 Bay AN Router, 1 Kentrox CSU/DSU (c) Digital phone system We have a Liebert 3000 VA GXT UPS. It gives us about 50 minutes of backup power. The most important aspect is it _cleans_ power (sags, spikes, distortions in frequency). We run our SEARS brand, $899 4250 Watt Generator right to our Liebert, then around our network through 30 AMP circuts. It all worked great during tests. Dev Chanchani - INetU, Inc.(tm) - http://www.INetU.net Electronic commerce - Web development - Web hosting dev@INetU.net - Phone: (610) 266-7441 On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Muditha Gunatilake wrote: > Hi, > > We are small ISP in the Seychelles. I am having power cuts often from > our local Electricity company and UPS last only about 1 hr. > I am interested in purchasing a generator that could keep us going on > the worst situation for about one day. > > We have: > > Five servers, 1 PM3-E, 1 PM 2E with 25 rack modems and 5 external, > Two routers, some telecom equipment (does much power required). > > Can anyone recommend a small generator or the kind of specifications I > should look for when getting one. The normal supply here is 240V and > 50Hz. We don't mind manually having to switch the UPS from the mains to > the generator. > > Thank you. > > -- > --------------------- > Muditha Gunatilake > Atlas Seychelles Ltd > > Phone:+248 304060 > Fax :+248 324565 > email: muditha@seychelles.net > mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk > muditha@creole.seychelles.net > :-) > From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 10:16:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA21977 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from domino.primelink.com (domino.primelink.com [206.24.58.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21973 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbrown@domino.primelink.com) From: kbrown@domino.primelink.com Received: by domino.primelink.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 86256592.0064A6EC ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:19:23 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUBER & ASSOCIATES To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <86256592.0063601F.00@domino.primelink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:08:06 -0600 Subject: Re: Rackmount cases Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've had extreme good luck with Industrial Computer Source. They are a mail-order company, and offer a huge array of rackmounting kits, industrial computer platorms, and other great goodies... their number is 800-523-2320. If you already know what specifications you are looking for, give them a call and they will get you pricing on the appropriate cases... If you've got time, ask them to send you a catalog, and order on your own... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 11:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27532 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from idiom.com (root@idiom.com [140.174.82.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27515 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muir@idiom.com) Received: (from muir@localhost) by idiom.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21613 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) From: David Muir Sharnoff Message-Id: <199801201836.KAA21613@idiom.com> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to lock out a nonpaying user Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I took a stab at this problem a few years ago (note date on file). This works great. It gives me a large set of messages. I lock someone out by changing their shell. Now, the question I have is, how do you have RADIUS respond with a message when someone tries to log in via PPP? -Dave #ifdef notdef /* * * given that this is called with an argv[0] like "-badpasswd" (init does * this if the shell entry is "/.*/badpasswd" Then cat whatever is * in the file $MSGDIR/badpasswd to stdout and exit. * * To give someone a shell that just prints out a message, make * a file (called "name") with the message in /usr/adm/shells/msgs * and then do a ln /usr/adm/shells/name /usr/adm/shells/shell. * * muir@cogsci 3/30/86 * */ #endif #include #include #include #define MSGDIR "/usr/adm/shells/msgs" char buf[BUFSIZ]; main(argc,argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { register int input; register char name[1024]; register int bytes; sprintf (name,"%s/%s",MSGDIR,argv[0]+1); input = open (name, O_RDONLY); if (input < 0) { puts ("there has been a error, please contact"); puts ("the system manager to have your account fixed."); perror(name); exit(1); } while ((bytes = read(input,buf,BUFSIZ)) > 0) write (1,buf,bytes); close (input); exit(0); } From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 11:39:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28430 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from domino.primelink.com (domino.primelink.com [206.24.58.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA28424 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kbrown@domino.primelink.com) From: kbrown@domino.primelink.com Received: by domino.primelink.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 86256592.006C51E1 ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:43:08 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HUBER & ASSOCIATES To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <86256592.004DEC51.00@domino.primelink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:16:25 -0600 Subject: Wireless Solution under $10K Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, I have been charged with finding a wireless solution. The specifics are as follows: Run Length: 1000' LOS Speed: near wire speed... 10Mbps preferred, 100Mbps accepted. The desire is to extend a local area network to a nearby shed. Does anyone know of a wireless solution that could do this, preferrably under $10K. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 13:23:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06772 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:23:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA06764 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23127; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:23:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09596; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:23:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:23:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199801202123.OAA09596@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: kbrown@domino.primelink.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless Solution under $10K In-Reply-To: <86256592.004DEC51.00@domino.primelink.com> References: <86256592.004DEC51.00@domino.primelink.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.29 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have been charged with finding a wireless solution. The specifics are as > follows: > > Run Length: 1000' LOS > Speed: near wire speed... 10Mbps preferred, 100Mbps accepted. > The desire is to extend a local area network to a nearby shed. AT&T Wavelan does 2Mbps, which is AFAIK the fastest 'cheap' solution available. They have a 10Mb product in progress, but it hasn't been released. I don't know of any faster products on the market, but I'm sure there are some if you want to pay big $$. > Does anyone know of a wireless solution that could do this, preferrably > under $10K. This can be done easily with Wavelan stuff. Currently, our ISP has a Karl-bridge that connects a number of a sites (including us) in the downtown area. Each end was around $3K including antenna, and their central box was a *bit* more spendy than that but it allows multiple connections. Rather than trying to talk outside of my domain, why don't you checkout: http://www.karlbridge.com Nate From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 13:56:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09770 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:56:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [209.150.73.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09765 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:56:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: from localhost (shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA04615 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) From: Shawn Ramsey To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ET/5025PQ Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am trying to install the ET/5025PQ 4 port sync. card. I have never installed a driver like this before.. I have run the update script, and have tried to follow the docs.. Can anyone please give me a more detail description of what is required to get the driver installed?? Thanks.... From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 14:41:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13394 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.trace.com.tw (ronald@mail.trace.com.tw [203.67.189.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13383 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:41:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ronald@mail.trace.com.tw) Received: from localhost (ronald@localhost) by mail.trace.com.tw (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA10136; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:32:40 +0800 X-Comments: ****** Message sent through an Trace acount ****** X-http: ****** http://www.trace.com.tw ****** Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:32:40 +0800 (CST) From: Ronald Wiplinger To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ET/5025PQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I am trying to install the ET/5025PQ 4 port sync. card. I have never > installed a driver like this before.. I have run the update script, and > have tried to follow the docs.. Can anyone please give me a more detail > description of what is required to get the driver installed?? try dennis@etinc.com, the card is said comes with screws, manuals, drivers and wellknown polite 'ETINC' support. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 15:10:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16079 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from kilgour.nething.com (kilgour.nething.com [204.253.210.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16070 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rberndt@nething.com) Received: from randy.nething.com (randy.nething.com [204.253.210.83]) by kilgour.nething.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA04473 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:53:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980120165409.0090a380@nething.com> X-Sender: rberndt@nething.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:54:09 -0600 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Randy Berndt Subject: Re: ET/5025PQ In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Red Alert! Shields To Full! Bandwidth Absorbing Fire Storm About To Begin! Here We Go, Again! At 06:32 AM 1/21/98 +0800, Ronald Wiplinger wrote: > > >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > >> I am trying to install the ET/5025PQ 4 port sync. card. I have never >> installed a driver like this before.. I have run the update script, and >> have tried to follow the docs.. Can anyone please give me a more detail >> description of what is required to get the driver installed?? > > >try dennis@etinc.com, the card is said comes with screws, manuals, drivers >and wellknown polite 'ETINC' support. > > > Randy Berndt ---------------------------------- AOS/VS, Win95, FreeBSD, WinNT, DOS, Win311: I'm caught in a twisty little maze of operating systems, all different. From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 16:06:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20183 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:06:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20178 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:06:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@mercury.jorsm.com) Received: from localhost (jeff@localhost) by mercury.jorsm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA15615; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:05:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:05:40 -0600 (CST) From: Jeff Lynch To: Shawn Ramsey cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ET/5025PQ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Shawn Ramsey wrote: > I am trying to install the ET/5025PQ 4 port sync. card. I have never > installed a driver like this before.. I have run the update script, and > have tried to follow the docs.. Can anyone please give me a more detail > description of what is required to get the driver installed?? > > Thanks.... Here's the catch. You gotta know something about building the kernel on bsd based unix. Given that, it's pretty easy to get it installed. The worst that could happen if you screw this up is you may have to re-install the OS from CD. After untarring the tarball: 1) cd /usr/hdlc/dev 2) ./update 3) cd /sys/i386/conf 4) cp GENERIC CUSTOM #or whatever 5) echo "device eth0" >> CUSTOM # note append 5) cp files.i386 files.i386.dist #play it safe 6) cat /usr/hdlc/dev/files.i386 >> files.i386 # note APPEND! 7) /usr/sbin/config CUSTOM 8) cd ../../compile/CUSTOM 9) make 10) make install 11) /sbin/reboot 12) look for device probes for eth0-eth3 as in the install manual if it doesn't boot you'll need to boot /kernel.old and see what's up. This is from memory, let me know if I skipped any steps. Getting the links up an routing turned on will be another hurdle I suspect you will have. ========================================================================= Jeffrey A. Lynch, President JORSM Internet email: jeff@jorsm.com Northwest Indiana's Full-Service Provider Voice: (219)322-2180 927 Sheffield Avenue, Dyer, IN 46311 Autoresponse: info@jorsm.com http://www.jorsm.com From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 20:07:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08392 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from csrlink.net (sallybrown.csrlink.net [206.228.89.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08381 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jlo@csrlink.net) Received: from csrlink.net (jlo.csrlink.net [209.64.97.98]) by csrlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11059 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:06:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34C57481.C84A1173@csrlink.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:07:29 -0500 From: "Justin L. Ogden" Reply-To: jlo@csrlink.net Organization: Civil Air Patrol, RayMark Broadcasting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: new ISP questions... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been thinking of starting an ISP and I have a couple questions I was hoping someone might be able to help me out with. First one deals with the modems.... What kind of modems would I need to host my users? Do I want to have a bunch of external everyday 33.6 modems laying around, or is there another solution? Also, what about hosting 56k connections? What kind of equiptment do I need for that, and what type of phone lines? A rough price for the phone lines would be great! And in general...what kind of equiptment would I need to start an ISP...with a 1000 users or so? What about if I wanted to start small scale, and have about 10 or so, just to get the feel of it? And now a software problem...how to I get FreeBSD and Windoze 95 to establish a connection without user interaction? Right now I can establish the connection using the dial up window after the call is connected, but I'd like to get the full automated process. Any information would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks in advance, Justin From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 20:37:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10223 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10209 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14129; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:35:54 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:35:54 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: "Justin L. Ogden" cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ISP questions... In-Reply-To: <34C57481.C84A1173@csrlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What kind of modems would I need to host my users? Do I want to have a > bunch of external everyday 33.6 modems laying around, or is there > another solution? Also, what about hosting 56k connections? What kind > of equiptment do I need for that, and what type of phone lines? A rough > price for the phone lines would be great! You need ISDN or channelised T1 for 56k > And now a software problem...how to I get FreeBSD and Windoze 95 to > establish a connection without user interaction? Right now I can > establish the connection using the dial up window after the call is > connected, but I'd like to get the full automated process. ftp.hilink.com.au:/pub/FreeBSD/pppkit.tgz Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 20 20:50:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11050 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:50:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bulloch.net ([208.147.166.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11043 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mele@bulloch.com) Received: from bulloch.com (dial-113.bulloch.net [208.147.166.153]) by bulloch.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22917 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:49:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mele@bulloch.com) Message-ID: <34C57E92.2C700A25@bulloch.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:50:39 -0500 From: "Melvin C. Etheridge" Reply-To: mele@bulloch.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new ISP questions... References: <34C57481.C84A1173@csrlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D39F9B8D32A6827775634BBC" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D39F9B8D32A6827775634BBC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Justin L. Ogden wrote: > I've been thinking of starting an ISP and I have a couple questions I > was hoping someone might be able to help me out with. First one deals > with the modems.... > > What kind of modems would I need to host my users? Do I want to have a > bunch of external everyday 33.6 modems laying around, or is there > another solution? Also, what about hosting 56k connections? What kind > of equiptment do I need for that, and what type of phone lines? A rough > price for the phone lines would be great! > > And in general...what kind of equiptment would I need to start an > ISP...with a 1000 users or so? What about if I wanted to start small > scale, and have about 10 or so, just to get the feel of it? > > And now a software problem...how to I get FreeBSD and Windoze 95 to > establish a connection without user interaction? Right now I can > establish the connection using the dial up window after the call is > connected, but I'd like to get the full automated process. > > Any information would be greatly appreciated!!! > Thanks in advance, > Justin This depends on your money situation. I would go with 2 PM3's or 2 Cisco AS5248's ($13995 ea for ISP's) with 48 modems to start with. This will run you about $240 per port. A Cisco 2501 for routing(not needed with 5248's). These systems will give your customers 56kflex and isdn access. For authentication a good 200 mhz pentium pro system with 64 megs RAM and a 4 gig fast/wide scsi drive. I would set things up for PAP authntication. This eliminates alot of connections headaches. No dial up widow needed. With a 1000 users you will need a T1 to start with or atleast a 512k frame relay. Also both access servers above require a T1/PRI from the local CO. --------------D39F9B8D32A6827775634BBC Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Melvin C. Etheridge Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Melvin C. Etheridge n: Etheridge;Melvin C. adr;dom: ;;107 Evergreen Dr.;Statesboro;GA;30458; email;internet: mele@bulloch.com tel;work: 912-871-1237 tel;fax: 912-871-1464 tel;home: 912-489-2881 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------D39F9B8D32A6827775634BBC-- From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 03:09:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14112 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au (smmcdialin.ultra.net.au [203.56.101.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA14102 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:09:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au) From: bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au Received: from staff1.smmc.qld.edu.au (selenium.elemental.ultra.net.au [203.20.237.54]) by smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA02839 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:35:28 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199801210935.TAA02839@smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:12:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Config of mpd multippp X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Wondering if there is any exerience out there of mpb from the net ports. Is it easy enough to config? Is it stable & reliable? Thanks Keith Spencer Townsville Australia From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 05:14:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA22597 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from islandia.is (hummvee.islandia.is [194.144.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA22590 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 05:14:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorhallur@islandia.is) Received: from exch.islandia.is (exchange.islandia.is [194.144.156.201]) by islandia.is (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17976; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:14:25 GMT Received: by EXCH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1664.3) id ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:14:12 -0000 Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=DE=F3rhallur_Sverrisson?= To: "'isp@freebsd.org'" Cc: "'mele@bulloch.com'" Subject: RE: new ISP questions... Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:13:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1664.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would say that a 200MHz as you described it is a bit of an overkill. We are running an ISP in Iceland with around 5000 customers. We had a 133MHz pentium with 64Mb memory and a SCSI 2 disc. It was allso running our mail server and a small web server. Things worked great. Btw, I would go with the AS5200. Thorhallur Sverrisson, thorhallur@islandia.is System Administrator > -----Original Message----- > From: Melvin C. Etheridge [SMTP:mele@bulloch.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 4:51 AM > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: new ISP questions... > > > > Justin L. Ogden wrote: > > > I've been thinking of starting an ISP and I have a couple questions > I > > was hoping someone might be able to help me out with. First one > deals > > with the modems.... > > > > What kind of modems would I need to host my users? Do I want to > have a > > bunch of external everyday 33.6 modems laying around, or is there > > another solution? Also, what about hosting 56k connections? What > kind > > of equiptment do I need for that, and what type of phone lines? A > rough > > price for the phone lines would be great! > > > > And in general...what kind of equiptment would I need to start an > > ISP...with a 1000 users or so? What about if I wanted to start > small > > scale, and have about 10 or so, just to get the feel of it? > > > > And now a software problem...how to I get FreeBSD and Windoze 95 to > > establish a connection without user interaction? Right now I can > > establish the connection using the dial up window after the call is > > connected, but I'd like to get the full automated process. > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated!!! > > Thanks in advance, > > Justin > > This depends on your money situation. I would go with 2 PM3's or 2 > Cisco > AS5248's ($13995 ea for ISP's) with 48 modems to start with. This > will run > you about $240 per port. A Cisco 2501 for routing(not needed with > 5248's). > These systems will give your customers 56kflex and isdn access. > > For authentication a good 200 mhz pentium pro system with 64 megs RAM > and a > 4 gig fast/wide scsi drive. > > I would set things up for PAP authntication. This eliminates alot of > connections headaches. No dial up widow needed. > > With a 1000 users you will need a T1 to start with or atleast a 512k > frame > relay. > > Also both access servers above require a T1/PRI from the local CO. << > File: Card for Melvin C. Etheridge >> From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 06:35:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA28008 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27984 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 06:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-28.eaznet.com [209.75.156.232]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA13187; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:36:51 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C607E0.CD59CC21@eaznet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 07:36:16 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kbrown@domino.primelink.com CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless Solution under $10K References: <86256592.004DEC51.00@domino.primelink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Without licensing, I'm afraid what you want is not possible. You can however get 4Mbps Wireless for under $10k without a license. Aironet has boxes capable of it. Check out http://www.aironet.com. Eddie kbrown@domino.primelink.com wrote: > Greetings, > > I have been charged with finding a wireless solution. The specifics are as > follows: > > Run Length: 1000' LOS > Speed: near wire speed... 10Mbps preferred, 100Mbps accepted. > The desire is to extend a local area network to a nearby shed. > > Does anyone know of a wireless solution that could do this, preferrably > under $10K. -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. -Christopher Morley From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 10:25:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18339 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:25:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [207.217.224.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18327 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:25:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.WestBend.NET [207.217.224.195]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA05391; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:25:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <005d01bd2699$cbeb7720$c3e0d9cf@admin.westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Shawn Ramsey" Cc: Subject: Re: ET/5025PQ Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:24:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Lynch > >Getting the links up an routing turned on will be another >hurdle I suspect you will have. > To get the links up, all I did was put the info into the rc.conf file and created start_if.eth[Port] & start_if.etha[DLCI#]. Example rc.conf network_interfaces="lo0 eth[Port] etha[DLCI#] fxp0" # List of network interfaces (lo0 is loopback). # eth0 - ET/5025PQ Port 0 # etha - ET/5025PQ Port 0 sub interface ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" # default loopback device configuration. # start_if.eth[Port] sets up the interface ifconfig_eth[Port]="inet [my_router_address] netmask 0xfffffffc" # ET/5025PQ Port X # start_if.etha[port] sets up the sub interface ifconfig_etha[DLCI#]="inet [my_router_address] netmask 0xfffffffc [distant_end_router_address]" Example start_if.eth[Port] /usr/hdlc/utils/hdlccfg /usr/hdlc/utils/fr0.pci.cfg [Port] Example start_if.etha[DLCI#] /usr/hdlc/utils/maproute DLCI[DLCI#] -i 0 -b -c -g [distant_end_router_address] Hope this helps. Scot W. Hetzel From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 11:09:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21588 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21566 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:09:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id LAA10817; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.whistle.com(207.76.205.7) by whistle.com via smap (V1.3) id sma010815; Wed Jan 21 11:08:37 1998 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.whistle.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id LAA13643; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199801211908.LAA13643@bubba.whistle.com> Subject: Re: Config of mpd multippp In-Reply-To: <199801210935.TAA02839@smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au> from "bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au" at "Jan 21, 98 09:12:11 pm" To: bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:08:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au writes: > Hi all, > Wondering if there is any exerience out there of mpb from the net > ports. > Is it easy enough to config? > Is it stable & reliable? >From the emails I get, many people seem to be using it without problems, once they figure out the right config file. The config file is slightly confusing and needs to be simplified. In the mean time, I can answer any questions you have. -Archie ___________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 13:19:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by catfish.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22856 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:19:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by catfish.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22850 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:19:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28619 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA16082; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:19:09 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:19:09 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Config of mpd multippp In-Reply-To: <199801210935.TAA02839@smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au wrote: > Hi all, > Wondering if there is any exerience out there of mpb from the net > ports. > Is it easy enough to config? > Is it stable & reliable? It is not impossible to configure. It only really works for dedicated connections - you can't mix it with normal dialin. It is stable and reliable if you don't thrash it. Under very heavy load it can segv. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 16:31:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17046 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from george.arc.nasa.gov (george.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.194.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17040 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) From: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Received: (from lamaster@localhost) by george.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA01034 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:41:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:41:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A while back, after inquiring on list or another, I was convinced that almost any SCSI tape drive would work on FreeBSD using backup. So, I went shopping, and bought a Conner QIC-Wide (3080XLT tapes, 2 GB uncompressed, drive supports compression but I have not tried with FreeBSD) from a surplus/discount place for a steal. Sure enough, it works fine. However, at the time, I didn't realize that the type of tape apparently is an oddball size. Now, the tapes are very scarce and expensive... So, that leads me back to the question of what, if any, *reasonably priced* SCSI backup tape drives and formats are recommended in the 2+ GB range. Requirements: restores usually work, moderately reliable, inexpensive, media relatively inexpensive. I just need to backup a few GB of irreplaceable stuff reliably and don't want, need, and can't afford, the really good stuff, e.g. DLT. Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 16:54:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA19692 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from guarddog.comptime.com (guarddog.comptime.com [207.175.156.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA19668 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:54:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@guarddog.comptime.com) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by guarddog.comptime.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA05320 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:10 -1000 (HST) From: FreeBSD mailgroup Message-Id: <199801220050.OAA05320@guarddog.comptime.com> Subject: Re: Wireless Solution under $10K To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:50:10 -1000 (HST) In-Reply-To: <34C607E0.CD59CC21@eaznet.com> from "Eddie Fry" at Jan 21, 98 07:36:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If it's point-to-point, I'd look at Lucent WaveLan. The multipoint protocol running in the Aironet eats up about 1/2 the raw bandwidth. The Lucent stuff's simple CSMA protocol gets you about 80% of the bandwidth, it's cheaper too. The 4mb (raw) Aironet radios mentioned below are about $4500 each, will get you a little over 2mb at the application level. The 2mb Lucent (at under $2000 for the bridge) will get you about 1.7mb. This isn't ment to degrade Aironet. Great multipoint stuff. We use it alot, much better management too. Forget about 10mb < 10 grand (both ends), dosn't exist. > > Without licensing, I'm afraid what you want is not possible. You can however > get 4Mbps Wireless for under $10k without a license. Aironet has boxes capable > of it. Check out http://www.aironet.com. > > Eddie > > kbrown@domino.primelink.com wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > I have been charged with finding a wireless solution. The specifics are as > > follows: > > > > Run Length: 1000' LOS > > Speed: near wire speed... 10Mbps preferred, 100Mbps accepted. > > The desire is to extend a local area network to a nearby shed. > > > > Does anyone know of a wireless solution that could do this, preferrably > > under $10K. > > > > -- > Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com > EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com > 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 > Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... > There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. > -Christopher Morley > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 19:26:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA02580 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:26:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au (smmcdialin.ultra.net.au [203.56.101.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA02543 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@smmc.qld.edu.au) Received: from staff2.smmc.qld.edu.au (staff2.smmc.qld.edu.au [203.56.180.49]) by smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04264; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:51:46 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220151.LAA04264@smmcroute.smmc.qld.edu.au> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "keith Spencer" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, matt@portal.net.au Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 13:35:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Config of mpd multippp X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Matt, > I'm running several remote areas here in South Australia with mpd. > > Is it easy enough to config? > Once you get the hang of it. The docs are a little limited. > > Is it stable & reliable? > Yes, I've had a problem with FreeBSD 2.2.2 (known problem it turns out) > however, but on 2.2.5 systems it works well. OOPS maybe I need to upgrade to 2.2.5. (I have 2.2.2) Thanks for your help Matthew. I may need it? We are a 400 student school in Townsville QLD. I have set up a server with 1 & hopefully 2 semi-perm dial-ins to local ISP. ISP is really good in that he is flexible & willing to help out if he can. I figure I need to do some footwork first for him though to see if it is possible & won'twreck his BSD system. I appreciate your support. ISDN is absolutely out of the question. Thanks Keith Spencer St Margaret Mary's College Townsville Queensland Australia. From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 19:38:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA04210 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:38:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA04202 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:38:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11047; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:07:43 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA13175; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:07:39 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980122140739.38942@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:07:39 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) References: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov>; from lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov on Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 02:41:51PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 21, 1998 at 02:41:51PM -0800, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > > A while back, after inquiring on list or another, I was convinced > that almost any SCSI tape drive would work on FreeBSD using backup. > So, I went shopping, and bought a Conner QIC-Wide (3080XLT tapes, > 2 GB uncompressed, drive supports compression but I have not tried > with FreeBSD) from a surplus/discount place for a steal. > > Sure enough, it works fine. However, at the time, I didn't realize > that the type of tape apparently is an oddball size. Now, the tapes > are very scarce and expensive... > > So, that leads me back to the question of what, if any, *reasonably > priced* SCSI backup tape drives and formats are recommended in the > 2+ GB range. Requirements: restores usually work, moderately > reliable, inexpensive, media relatively inexpensive. I just need > to backup a few GB of irreplaceable stuff reliably and don't want, > need, and can't afford, the really good stuff, e.g. DLT. Probably the cheapest cartridges are DDS (sometimes incorrectly called DAT), followed by Exabyte. DDS drives are cheaper than Exabytes, though. There have been a lot of Archive drives on sale at good prices, but now only refurbished drives have been available. There's nothing to be said against a good refurb unit, but some people have reported that the units they got are not good. Check out http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?1130679869093&inventory&T for one supplier ($379 for a 4-tape changer). If you buy one and have trouble, let me know: I have one and have had none, but some people have had problems with refurbs which suggest a defective unit. Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 19:56:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06323 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bach.safetyweb.com.au ([203.37.24.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06318 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from greg@safetyweb.com.au) Received: from bridge.safetyweb.com.au (bridge.safetyweb.com.au [203.37.24.6]) by bach.safetyweb.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19641; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:35:28 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980122145556.03a1d390@bach> X-Sender: greg@bach X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:55:56 +1100 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Greg Ryan Subject: tcpdump configuration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, I'm trying to watch the traffic on our network to track down a problem, and am having trobule configuring tcpdump on either of our freebsd machines. I get the error '/dev/bpf0: Device not configured' The man pages say that root must have read access to the device but: crw------- 1 root wheel 23, 0 Oct 18 22:19 bpf0 Have also tried setting exec permission, but no effect. Is there something i may have missed, or a flag somewhere that (dis)allows promiscuous mode? Thanks in advance, Greg -- SafetyWeb Internet Solutions Pty Ltd Suite 1101, Capital Tower Canberra City ACT 2601 Australia +61 02 6257 9901 Telephone +61 02 6257 9904 Technical Support +61 02 6257 9902 Fax greg@safetyweb.com.au http://www.safetyweb.com.au From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 20:00:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06793 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:00:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06732 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA11075; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:30:01 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id OAA13526; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:30:00 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980122143000.19338@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:30:00 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Greg Ryan Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcpdump configuration References: <3.0.5.32.19980122145556.03a1d390@bach> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980122145556.03a1d390@bach>; from Greg Ryan on Thu, Jan 22, 1998 at 02:55:56PM +1100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 22, 1998 at 02:55:56PM +1100, Greg Ryan wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to watch the traffic on our network to track down a problem, and > am having trobule configuring tcpdump on either of our freebsd machines. > > I get the error '/dev/bpf0: Device not configured' > > The man pages say that root must have read access to the device but: > > crw------- 1 root wheel 23, 0 Oct 18 22:19 bpf0 > > Have also tried setting exec permission, but no effect. Is there something > i may have missed, or a flag somewhere that (dis)allows promiscuous mode? You need support for BPF in your kernel. It's not there by default in older versions, but it is in newer ones. Add the following line to your kernel config and build a new kernel: pseudo-device bpfilter 16 # Berkeley packet filter Greg From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 20:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA08345 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08340 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:19:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@HiWAAY.net) Received: from bonsai.hiwaay.net (tnt1-199.HiWAAY.net [208.147.147.199]) by fly.HiWAAY.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21301; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:07:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34C6C633.28D95ABC@hiwaay.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:08:19 -0600 From: Steve Price X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Ryan CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tcpdump configuration References: <3.0.5.32.19980122145556.03a1d390@bach> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Ryan wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm trying to watch the traffic on our network to track down a problem, and > am having trobule configuring tcpdump on either of our freebsd machines. > > I get the error '/dev/bpf0: Device not configured' > > The man pages say that root must have read access to the device but: > > crw------- 1 root wheel 23, 0 Oct 18 22:19 bpf0 > > Have also tried setting exec permission, but no effect. Is there something > i may have missed, or a flag somewhere that (dis)allows promiscuous mode? > steve[/usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ grep "packet filter" LINT pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter steve[/usr/src/sys/i386/conf]$ You should add this line to your kernel config file and from /usr/src/sys/i386/conf do the following: config your_kernel_config_filename cd ../../compile/your_kernel_config_filename make clean depend all install Steve > Thanks in advance, > Greg > > -- > SafetyWeb Internet Solutions Pty Ltd > Suite 1101, Capital Tower > Canberra City ACT 2601 > Australia > > +61 02 6257 9901 Telephone > +61 02 6257 9904 Technical Support > +61 02 6257 9902 Fax > > greg@safetyweb.com.au > http://www.safetyweb.com.au From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 21 21:41:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA13849 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns2.theonlynet.com (theonlynet.com [206.29.203.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13844 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:41:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rricci@theonlynet.com) Received: from theonlynet.com (rock-10.theonlynet.com [206.29.203.175]) by ns2.theonlynet.com (8.8.8/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA12971 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:41:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C6DD23.D14B6735@theonlynet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:46:11 -0700 From: Robert Ricci Organization: Kruton, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Win95 and WINS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We use a FreeBSD box with Cyclades cards in it for our dial-in accounts. Mgetty answers the line, then pppd is used for the ppp end of things. Many of our clients who use Windows 95 have had occasional problems dialing in. The symptoms are diverse ("Cannot establish a compatible protocol" to inability to send any packets once authenticated). However, the common theme seems to be that if they change the WINS setting (In the TCP/IP settings in the Control Panel), the problem goes away. Some people have to turn on WINS, some have to turn it off. (Don't ask me why turning it ON helps!) From ijppp on my home FreeBSD machine, I have no such problems. Have any of you ever had an experience like this? Were you able to fix it? (Unfortunately, telling all my customers "Get a real OS" isn't an option.) Here's what's in my /etc/ppp/options file: crtscts modem proxyarp defaultroute dns1 206.29.203.3 domain theonlynet.com kdebug 0 auth -chap +pap login passive silent asyncmap 000a0000 pap-timeout 30 Any changes I should make here? Also - We have a WEIRD version of FreeBSD on this machine - 2.2-GAMMA . I'd love to upgrade, but I can't spare the downtime right now. I've got Danny's pppkit , but I've been afraid to install the pppd that came with it, because of our unusual version of FreeBSD. Do you know if it will work? Apparently NT terminal servers (I shudder at the thought) don't have this problem. Another scheme to try to make us use NT? Robert Ricci rricci@theonlynet.com "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 01:23:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27908 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:23:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.dtir.qld.gov.au (firewall-user@ns.dtir.qld.gov.au [203.108.138.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27902 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:23:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au; id TAA01963; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:38:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.dtir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma001961; Thu, 22 Jan 98 19:38:26 +1000 Received: from localhost.dtir.qld.gov.au (localhost.dtir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01819; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:18:16 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <199801220918.TAA01819@ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au> X-Authentication-Warning: ogre.dtir.qld.gov.au: localhost.dtir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chuck , chrw cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, syssgm@dtir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: recovering tar archieve / ssh References: In-Reply-To: from Chuck at "Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:19:49 +0000" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:18:15 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'day! I'm resurrecting an old thread because I didn't see any conclusion and because so many things need answering. On Thursday, 8th January 1998, Chuck wrote: > >On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, chrw wrote: > >> Ive been using tar thru an ssh pipe to the fbsd streamer host, like >> >> tar cvfpl - * | ssh -c blowfish molly 'cat > /dev/nrst0' >> >> everything seemed to work fine, but today i tried doing a desaster >> recovery test.. It start extracting fine, but after 1 or 2 mins tar >> terminates with "tar: Unexpected EOF on archive file" :( Someone suggested adding '-e none' to prevent '~.' being recognised as an excape. This is unnecessary since ssh only allocates pseudo ttys for interactive connections and (from the manual): "If no pseudo tty has been allocated, the session is trans- parent and can be used to reliably transfer binary data." Someone suggested -B on tar to reblock data passing through a pipe. This is unnecessary since FreeBSD use gnu tar and it always sets -B when '-' is used as the file name. Strangely, no one suggested using 'dd' instead of 'cat'. cat will use a small block size. Using dd, you can specify a large blocksize. 32KB works well for me on both QIC and Exabyte tapes. Use the same block size on tar also unless you know the difference between fixed and variable block size tape drives. Once you are happy with 'dd', then you can try 'team', from the ports collection. This will give you much better throughput and I use it all the time. Use something like: tar clbf 64 - . | ssh -c blowfish molly 'team 32k 8 > /dev/nrst0' In this example, team will write in 32KB blocks and will use 8 cooperating processes (so the total amount of buffering is 256KB) to smooth the erratic data flow over the network. I even use it for local tape writing as it can smooth over the speed dips from tar itself when it hits a patch of many small files. >> the setup is, im doing backup from several sgi servers, onto the freebsd >> streamer host. I cant see this should be a problem. Have you tried reading the tape on the same machine that has the tape drive? This will remove doubts about the network and ssh. What errors (if any) were in the system logs of the machine with the tape drive? >> Anyway, EVEN if it is a tape error, i cannot rest assure that my backups >> are good untill i have to verified every single tape i got :( >> >> Maybe tar can verify each archieve it makes automatically, in the >> future..? Ill go check the man page. Yes, you should be reading back your tapes. Gnu tar has a --compare flag that might be useful, but some files would have changed since the backup. I am happy to just read the tape to verify that there are no media errors. Of course, I have restored some files occasionally to test that my scripts are not totally broken and to be sure I've used the norewind device when I should be. >Sounds familiar. I have a FreeBSD 2.2.2 PC, Tomato, with a TR4 (SCSI) >drive named nrst0. I run dump on it whenever I feel like it, and have >restored files from way down the tape. It goes from one end to the other, >then turns around and goes the other way. I don't know how many tracks >there are --it takes quite a few end-to-end trips-- but it works. > >But, when I run dump over the (thinwire) Ethernet from my other >FreeBSD 2.2.2 PC, Daisy, to the same nrst0 via rmt, first, it hiccups >about every two seconds, and averages about 50 kBps. *** AND *** it >only goes to the end of the tape once and does not turn around. It says >that Tomato's operator should mount a fresh tape. This in spite of dump's >-a option. I had strange failures remote dumping from FreeBSD 2.1.5 box to Solaris 2.5 so I gave up on rmt. Since then I've only used rsh or ssh as the data transport. Dump to stdout then pipe it to team on the remote box using rsh or ssh and things should work better and a lot faster. >So I've taken to running dump from Daisy to a BIG file on Tomato, and >then writing that file to tape using dd. Very fast. For my home FreeBSD boxes, I use dump, rsh and team all the time and have no problems, and it is fast (well as fast as the tape drives can handle anyway). > ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY Wise words. Oops, is that the US secret service kicking in my door? No sir, I had no intention of encrypting my grocery list! Ouch! Ouch! Stephen. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 05:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11327 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:17:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11315 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:17:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03023; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:11 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801221317.HAA03023@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-Reply-To: <19980122140739.38942@lemis.com> from Greg Lehey at "Jan 22, 98 02:07:39 pm" To: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:10 -0600 (CST) Cc: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Check out http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?1130679869093&inventory&T > for one supplier ($379 for a 4-tape changer). If you buy one and have > trouble, let me know: I have one and have had none, but some people have > had problems with refurbs which suggest a defective unit. > > Greg > I've got several of those drives, and they work great. They need a *ton* of airflow though, so if you mount them internally, put a fan behind them. I submitted a PR a while back showing how to use the scsi command to autoload with them. (ch0 doesn't work on this drive) You also should put a cron job in 12 hours after your daily backup to just move the cartridge up and down once.... (load tape 1, then eject it, load tape 4, then eject it. or if you've got the 12 tape cartridge like I use, do 1, 6 and 12). This stops the goo they put on the rollers from hardening up. It won't break the drive, just make it last longer. Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 05:40:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA12935 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:40:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.fasts.com (server.fasts.com [199.125.215.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA12922 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:40:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vitjok@fasts.com) Received: (qmail 5329 invoked from network); 22 Jan 1998 13:38:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vitjok.fasts.com) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 22 Jan 1998 13:38:08 -0000 Message-ID: <000701bd273c$34976520$0601000a@vitjok.fasts.com> From: "Victor Rotanov" To: Subject: single-threaded web server Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:46:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Whats the fastest single-threaded web server? I do not need many features (html,cgi and standard logging is enough). I need it for a site that works on dx2/66 w/ 8mb of ram :) Apache seems to be too slow for about 30000 hits/day... Thank you! Bye. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 07:44:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA23782 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:44:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (0@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA23777 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:44:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from batie@agora.rdrop.com) Received: (from batie@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14919; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:34:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19980122073451.48306@agora.rdrop.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:34:51 -0800 From: Alan Batie To: Victor Rotanov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: single-threaded web server References: <000701bd273c$34976520$0601000a@vitjok.fasts.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-md5; boundary=MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <000701bd273c$34976520$0601000a@vitjok.fasts.com>; from Victor Rotanov on Thu, Jan 22, 1998 at 03:46:56PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Jan 22, 1998 at 03:46:56PM +0200, Victor Rotanov wrote: > I need it for a site that works on dx2/66 w/ 8mb of ram :) > Apache seems to be too slow for about 30000 hits/day... What you need is more memory, not a new server; apache on a dx2/66 should be able to handle that much an hour, if I remember some benchmarks I ran a few years ago correctly... -- Alan Batie ______ It's not my fault! It's some guy batie@agora.rdrop.com \ / named "General Protection"! +1 503 452-0960 \ / --Ratbert PGP FP: DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 \/ 7A 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 It is my policy to avoid purchase of any products from companies which use unrequested email advertisements or telephone solicitation. --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNMdnGYv4wNua7QglAQGDHwP/b1rq7qBvLmmpT/xXJ25jnmMilJ2cB3Jd m50+tVO8rkjusTZz8wGmajfsf/Y3DfAOihmZEY8OUJ/ycC5KngnoqsKZuVBRp0Gz psUd5ydq5Rv26ceX+8md5MoM8OMffIXFL26jq0dJJDinIQbImzuFNdJyhzBW9Xad dZt3gMZhEwA= =Tahe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 07:58:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25074 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25066 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-44.eaznet.com [209.75.156.248]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03897; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:00:22 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C76CEB.225C57A8@eaznet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:59:39 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) References: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would recommend a 4mm DAT drive. They are reasonably priced and tape are around $10 each. They are very reliable (as tapes go). Eddie lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > A while back, after inquiring on list or another, I was convinced > that almost any SCSI tape drive would work on FreeBSD using backup. > So, I went shopping, and bought a Conner QIC-Wide (3080XLT tapes, > 2 GB uncompressed, drive supports compression but I have not tried > with FreeBSD) from a surplus/discount place for a steal. > > Sure enough, it works fine. However, at the time, I didn't realize > that the type of tape apparently is an oddball size. Now, the tapes > are very scarce and expensive... > > So, that leads me back to the question of what, if any, *reasonably > priced* SCSI backup tape drives and formats are recommended in the > 2+ GB range. Requirements: restores usually work, moderately > reliable, inexpensive, media relatively inexpensive. I just need > to backup a few GB of irreplaceable stuff reliably and don't want, > need, and can't afford, the really good stuff, e.g. DLT. > > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. -Christopher Morley From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 07:59:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA25182 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:59:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from thumper.bellcore.com (thumper.bellcore.com [128.96.41.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25140 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ath@bellcore.com) Received: from grapenuts.bellcore.com (grapenuts.bellcore.com [192.4.4.35]) by thumper.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09972; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellcore.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grapenuts.bellcore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06385; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:25:18 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801221525.KAA06385@grapenuts.bellcore.com> In-reply-to: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov's message of Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:41:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Andrew Heybey To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) References: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:25:10 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I bought an unused (though obsolete) DDS-1 (2GB per 90M tape, no compression, 400KB/s) archive ne conner ne seagate drive from www.onsale.com a while ago for about $230 (including shipping). Out of the box, it didn't work: it would wedge the NCR driver, the AHC driver would report write errors, and Windoze NT would report read errors when verifying backups. Thankfully, Seagate support emailed me a firmware update and after that it works like a champ. I am very happy with it. If I want compression I pipe my dump or tar through gzip. So I would second the recommendation to buy a DDS drive of some kind. It doesn't take buying too many $25 tapes to make that $150 QIC tape drive look awfully expensive. 90M DDS tapes are $7 at the local Computer City and $5 mail-order. andrew From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 08:04:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25678 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from wicked.eaznet.com (wicked.eaznet.com [209.75.156.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25672 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eddie@eaznet.com) Received: from eaznet.com (as1-44.eaznet.com [209.75.156.248]) by wicked.eaznet.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03927; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:03:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <34C76DA3.2D0759EF@eaznet.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 09:02:43 -0700 From: Eddie Fry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Ricci CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win95 and WINS References: <34C6DD23.D14B6735@theonlynet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Robert, WINS should be set off. Also be sure the only protocol they are using is TCP/IP and the the "log into network" box is NOT checked. Eddie Robert Ricci wrote: > We use a FreeBSD box with Cyclades cards in it for our dial-in accounts. > Mgetty answers the line, then pppd is used for the ppp end of things. > Many of our clients who use Windows 95 have had occasional problems > dialing in. The symptoms are diverse ("Cannot establish a compatible > protocol" to inability to send any packets once authenticated). However, > the common theme seems to be that if they change the WINS setting (In > the TCP/IP settings in the Control Panel), the problem goes away. Some > people have to turn on WINS, some have to turn it off. (Don't ask me why > turning it ON helps!) From ijppp on my home FreeBSD machine, I have no > such problems. Have any of you ever had an experience like this? Were > you able to fix it? (Unfortunately, telling all my customers "Get a real > OS" isn't an option.) Here's what's in my /etc/ppp/options file: > > crtscts > modem > proxyarp > defaultroute > dns1 206.29.203.3 > domain theonlynet.com > kdebug 0 > auth > -chap > +pap > login > passive > silent > asyncmap 000a0000 > pap-timeout 30 > > Any changes I should make here? > > Also - We have a WEIRD version of FreeBSD on this machine - 2.2-GAMMA . > I'd love to upgrade, but I can't spare the downtime right now. I've got > Danny's pppkit , but I've been afraid to install the pppd that came with > it, because of our unusual version of FreeBSD. Do you know if it will > work? > > Apparently NT terminal servers (I shudder at the thought) don't have > this problem. Another scheme to try to make us use NT? > > Robert Ricci > rricci@theonlynet.com > > "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!" > -- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" -- Eddie Fry eddie@eaznet.com EAZNet Internet Services http://www.eaznet.com 220 West 7th Street (520) 348-0292 Safford, AZ 85546 EAZing you into the future... There is only one success -- to be able to spend your life in your own way. -Christopher Morley From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 08:38:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA28281 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from capecod.net (ost152.capecod.net [204.255.214.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA27990 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 08:35:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00400; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:35:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-Reply-To: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I bought a TR-4 ("Travan") tape, a TapeStor 8000 by Seagate. It became /dev/{n,}rst0 and works great. 4 GB capacity, but they advertise 8 GB. A lot of stuff on my disk is gzipped, so 8 GB is just a dream. Tape makes many end to end passes, and so far doesn't work over the net using dump and rmt. But it runs dump, around a Gig per hour; and it restores :-) -- FreeBSD 2.2.2R, Adaptec 2940 U(W). It looks as if the TR-{2,3,4} tape formats are intended to become an industry standard. Several manufacturers make Travan drives. But only the TR-4 is SCSI. Oh yes, I think I had to pay around $300 for the internal drive kit. The IDE versions are MUCH cheaper. Why? Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov wrote: > A while back, after inquiring on list or another, I was convinced > that almost any SCSI tape drive would work on FreeBSD using backup. > So, I went shopping, and bought a Conner QIC-Wide (3080XLT tapes, > 2 GB uncompressed, drive supports compression but I have not tried > with FreeBSD) from a surplus/discount place for a steal. > > Sure enough, it works fine. However, at the time, I didn't realize > that the type of tape apparently is an oddball size. Now, the tapes > are very scarce and expensive... > > So, that leads me back to the question of what, if any, *reasonably > priced* SCSI backup tape drives and formats are recommended in the > 2+ GB range. Requirements: restores usually work, moderately > reliable, inexpensive, media relatively inexpensive. I just need > to backup a few GB of irreplaceable stuff reliably and don't want, > need, and can't afford, the really good stuff, e.g. DLT. > > Hugh LaMaster, M/S 258-5, ASCII Email: hlamaster@mail.arc.nasa.gov > NASA Ames Research Center Or: lamaster@nas.nasa.gov > Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 No Junkmail: USC 18 section 2701 > Phone: 415/604-1056 Disclaimer: Unofficial, personal *opinion*. From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 22 10:37:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08803 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (cisigw.coppe.ufrj.br [146.164.5.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08796 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@coppe.ufrj.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by gaia.coppe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05084; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:36:46 -0200 (EDT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199801221836.QAA05084@gaia.coppe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-Reply-To: <199801212241.OAA01034@george.arc.nasa.gov> from "lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov" at "Jan 21, 98 02:41:51 pm" To: lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:36:46 -0200 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org #define quoting(lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov) // So, that leads me back to the question of what, if any, *reasonably // priced* SCSI backup tape drives and formats are recommended in the // 2+ GB range. Requirements: restores usually work, moderately // reliable, inexpensive, media relatively inexpensive. I just need // to backup a few GB of irreplaceable stuff reliably and don't want, // need, and can't afford, the really good stuff, e.g. DLT. What about a JAZ 2G ? Media is expensive, but dealing with it is much easier, faster and more reliable. And you may have other uses for it. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis jonny@gta.ufrj.br +55 21 290-4698 jonny@coppe.ufrj.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro UFRJ/COPPE/CISI PGP fingerprint: 29 C0 50 B9 B6 3E 58 F2 83 5F E3 26 BF 0F EA 67 From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 00:18:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11056 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:18:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gw.ttfn.com (ttfn.com [204.182.16.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11050 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davet@ttfn.com) Received: from localhost.ttfn.com (nomad.ttfn.com [192.168.0.36]) by gw.ttfn.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA11163; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.ttfn.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA07462; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:44 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/27/96 From: "Dave Truesdell" To: Kevin Day Cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: davet@geoplex.com Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jan 1998 07:17:10 CST." <199801221317.HAA03023@home.dragondata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:15 -0800 Message-ID: <7440.885543435@localhost> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Check out http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?1130679869093&inventory&T >> for one supplier ($379 for a 4-tape changer). If you buy one and have >> trouble, let me know: I have one and have had none, but some people have >> had problems with refurbs which suggest a defective unit. >> >> Greg >> > >I've got several of those drives, and they work great. They need a *ton* of >airflow though, so if you mount them internally, put a fan behind them. > >I submitted a PR a while back showing how to use the scsi command to >autoload with them. (ch0 doesn't work on this drive) I've had one of these drives controlled with ch0 for over a year and a half. Did you forget to hack scsiconf.c so the other LUNs get probed? -- T.T.F.N., Dave Truesdell / davet@{geoplex,ttfn}.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 01:40:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16143 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:40:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from satie.southa.com.hk (qmailr@satie.southa.com.hk [202.76.19.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA16136 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmf@gateway.net.hk) Received: (qmail 12094 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Jan 1998 09:40:43 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:40:43 +0800 (HKT) From: Bo Fussing X-Sender: bmf@satie.southa.com.hk To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Private IP Addressing on Routers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Has anyone ever tried to use private IP addresses as described by RFC 1497 on internal interfaces of routers, for example on the interfaces at two ends of a leased line? 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Tel +852 2963-7359 Fax +852 2963-7353 URL http://www.gateway.net.hk PGP fingerprint = D7 9F ED 1D E5 B9 62 4F 77 BC D1 33 5B 4E 95 81 For PGP ID & Signature mail empty message to bmf-pgp@gateway.net.hk From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 02:25:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA18858 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:25:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA18826 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abial@korin.warman.org.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25132 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:27:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:27:19 +0100 (CET) From: Andrzej Bialecki To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: One floppy FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2097621758-885551239=:24258" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-2097621758-885551239=:24258 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I thought this list might also be interested... Sorry if I'm wrong. The original announcements and discussion go for some time on other lists, and IMHO this idea might be helpful to ISPs and their clients. Original READMEs are attached. Andrzej Bialecki ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@warman.org.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." 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(from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26682 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA26650 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28143 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:28:01 GMT Message-ID: <34C88CD1.7AFAF4DF@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:28:01 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IP address aliases... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A while ago I asked about this subject - and was correctly told that secondary / additional addresses bound to an interface under FreeBSD (I'm using 2.2.2 & 2.2.5) have to have a netmask of 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255). What happens if I have to do the following: ep0: 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.242 then I want to add: ep0: 10.10.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 (above are obviously fake addresses) Do I still have to munge the netmask on the second address to 255.255.255.255? - or is this a 'different' case as the 2 IP numbers are in fact on completely different networks? (i.e. not adding a 2nd IP address on the same network as the first)? Regards, Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 05:33:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA00598 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:33:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.mexcom.net ([200.38.135.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA00591 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@ver1.telmex.net.mx) Received: from mc.mexcom.net (ppp-8.mexcom.net [206.103.65.200]) by ns.mexcom.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA05300; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:29:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <34C89C97.15FB7483@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:35:19 -0600 From: eculp Organization: MexCom X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-971226-SNAP i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz CC: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP address aliases... References: <34C88CD1.7AFAF4DF@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > > A while ago I asked about this subject - and was correctly told that secondary > / additional addresses bound to an interface under FreeBSD (I'm using 2.2.2 & > 2.2.5) have to have a netmask of 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255). > > What happens if I have to do the following: > > ep0: 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.242 > > then I want to add: > > ep0: 10.10.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 ***** alias I use # ifconfig ep0 inet 10.10.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 alias It's worked fine for me since one of my ethernet cards died about three months ago :-) two networks on the same cable, same card, I still haven't bought another card :-) provecho ed > > (above are obviously fake addresses) > > Do I still have to munge the netmask on the second address to 255.255.255.255? > - or is this a 'different' case as the 2 IP numbers are in fact on completely > different networks? (i.e. not adding a 2nd IP address on the same network as > the first)? > > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 08:32:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16061 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:32:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16045 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA02674; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:27:14 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie To: eculp cc: Karl Pielorz , isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IP address aliases... In-Reply-To: <34C89C97.15FB7483@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i do the same thing also but i use the host mask (255.255.255.255) and it works ok for me but i do get occasional ARP error messages in my system log..... On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, eculp wrote: > Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > A while ago I asked about this subject - and was correctly told that secondary > > / additional addresses bound to an interface under FreeBSD (I'm using 2.2.2 & > > 2.2.5) have to have a netmask of 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255). > > > > What happens if I have to do the following: > > > > ep0: 192.168.100.1 netmask 255.255.255.242 > > > > then I want to add: > > > > ep0: 10.10.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 ***** alias > > I use > # ifconfig ep0 inet 10.10.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 alias > It's worked fine for me since one of my ethernet cards > died about three months ago :-) two networks on the same > cable, same card, I still haven't bought another card :-) > > provecho > > ed > > > > (above are obviously fake addresses) > > > > Do I still have to munge the netmask on the second address to 255.255.255.255? > > - or is this a 'different' case as the 2 IP numbers are in fact on completely > > different networks? (i.e. not adding a 2nd IP address on the same network as > > the first)? > > > > Regards, > > > > Karl Pielorz > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 08:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16801 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from home.dragondata.com (home.dragondata.com [204.137.237.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16796 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:37:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toasty@home.dragondata.com) Received: (from toasty@localhost) by home.dragondata.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19671; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) From: Kevin Day Message-Id: <199801231636.KAA19671@home.dragondata.com> Subject: Re: SCSI backup tape drive recommendations (again) In-Reply-To: <7440.885543435@localhost> from Dave Truesdell at "Jan 23, 98 00:17:15 am" To: davet@geoplex.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:36:44 -0600 (CST) Cc: grog@lemis.com, lamaster@george.arc.nasa.gov, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >> Check out http://www.corpsys.com/cgi-bin/select?1130679869093&inventory&T > >> for one supplier ($379 for a 4-tape changer). If you buy one and have > >> trouble, let me know: I have one and have had none, but some people have > >> had problems with refurbs which suggest a defective unit. > >> > >> Greg > >> > > > >I've got several of those drives, and they work great. They need a *ton* of > >airflow though, so if you mount them internally, put a fan behind them. > > > >I submitted a PR a while back showing how to use the scsi command to > >autoload with them. (ch0 doesn't work on this drive) > > I've had one of these drives controlled with ch0 for over a year and a half. > Did you forget to hack scsiconf.c so the other LUNs get probed? > Tried that.... It worked, but after 4-5 changes, the drive would either display 'ERROR 43' or say 'LOAD 0' and try to load a tape above where it could reach, and lock up.... It was sending goofy commands to it I think... Kevin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 11:41:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05409 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:41:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (servidor.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05376; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agalindo@servidor.exsocom.com.mx) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (direccion.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.131]) by servidor.exsocom.com.mx (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA09219; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:46:03 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980123194541.00936e8c@exsocom.com.mx> X-Sender: agalindo@exsocom.com.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:45:41 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Alejandro Galindo Subject: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1 Year ago i try to configure the modem speed in the gettytab and ttys files for dialin, i only can use the std.19200 and it works well, i see in the pppkit a configuration with std.38400, std.57600 and std.115200, but when a user conect to my server he only see bad characters (not the login prompt) i try with several modems (motorola 33.6, etc. now we have the motorola 57.6 ModemSurfer) but i can't work with a configuration major than std.19200. Can you indicate me how configure the gettytab for a std.115200, std.57600 and std.38400? and this number (115200) what do it mean? is the speed betwen the serial port and the modem? I have a 2.2.5 RELEASE and a Cyclades Cyclom-Y multiport (it support 115200 i think). thanks in advanced Saludos Alejandro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | , , | | /( )` | | \ \___ / | | | /- _ `-/ ' | | (/\/ \ \ /\ | | ExSoCom Dgo. MEXICO / / | ` \ | | O O ) / | | | `-^--'`< ' | | (_.) _ ) / | | Alejandro Galindo Chairez `.___/` / | | Tel: (18) 179177 `-----' / | | Fax: (18) 179177 <----. __ / __ \ | | <----|====O)))==) \) /==== | | e-mail alejandro.galindo@exsocom.com.mx <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | | | | | http://www.exsocom.com.mx \ / /\| | ______( (_ / \______/ | | ,' ,-----' | | | a FreeBSD user `--{__________) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 11:58:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06783 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:58:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from nak.myhouse.com (nak.myhouse.com [209.70.45.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06764 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) Received: from localhost (zoonie@localhost) by nak.myhouse.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00344; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:57:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from zoonie@myhouse.com) X-Authentication-Warning: nak.myhouse.com: zoonie owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:57:00 -0500 (EST) From: zoonie To: Bo Fussing cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Private IP Addressing on Routers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i think you mean RFC 1597, the answer is yes we have and it works fine as long as you are careful and don't advertise them to the world. the other thing you should know is that the RFC has been updated and 1597 is now obsolete. check RFC 1918 for the latest....... On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Bo Fussing wrote: > Hi, > > Has anyone ever tried to use private IP addresses as described by RFC 1497 > on internal interfaces of routers, for example on the interfaces at two > ends of a leased line? > > Bo > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Bo Fussing Gateway Internet Ltd. > Tel +852 2963-7359 Fax +852 2963-7353 URL http://www.gateway.net.hk > PGP fingerprint = D7 9F ED 1D E5 B9 62 4F 77 BC D1 33 5B 4E 95 81 > For PGP ID & Signature mail empty message to bmf-pgp@gateway.net.hk > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 13:43:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18103 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:43:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18092 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:43:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id PAA07399; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:44:56 -0600 Received: from dial193-40.mixcom.com(207.250.193.40) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma007378; Fri Jan 23 15:44:50 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980123153940.00717ab4@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:39:40 -0600 To: Bo Fussing , isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Private IP Addressing on Routers In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:40 PM 1/23/98 +0800, Bo Fussing wrote: >Has anyone ever tried to use private IP addresses as described by RFC 1497 >on internal interfaces of routers, for example on the interfaces at two >ends of a leased line? Or run IP'less, if the router supports it. Either works. All private networks should be blocked at the egress router and never annouced. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 13:48:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA18604 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA18598 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mountin.man@mixcom.com) Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.12/2.2) id PAA08081; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:50:03 -0600 Received: from dial193-40.mixcom.com(207.250.193.40) by mixcom.mixcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma008025; Fri Jan 23 15:49:42 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980123154432.00717ab4@198.137.186.100> X-Sender: mmttnn@198.137.186.100 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:44:32 -0600 To: zoonie From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: IP address aliases... Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <34C89C97.15FB7483@ver1.telmex.net.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:27 AM 1/23/98 -0500, zoonie wrote: >i do the same thing also but i use the host mask (255.255.255.255) and it >works ok for me but i do get occasional ARP error messages in my system >log..... Then use 255.255.255.0 or the apropiate subnet if you have routes to other subnets, say .252 and .240 for the local and remote. Jeff Mountin - Unix Systems TCP/IP networking mountin.man@mixcom.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 14:21:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21901 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from capecod.net (ost47.capecod.net [204.255.214.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21875; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA01150; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:20:08 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Reply-To: Chuck To: Alejandro Galindo cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980123194541.00936e8c@exsocom.com.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The modem must be convinced to communicate with FreeBSD at the desired speed. Gettytab only influences FreeBSD. If the serial interface is different from what the modem sends, there will be garbage. Talk to the modem about this. Use kermit and the device name cuaa0 (not tty0 or sio0 or whatever; it's the same device, seen from a different perspective). Set speed to 115200 (for instance), AT, and wait for OK. If you get OK, then enter AT&F, possibly other S0=1 etc., then AT&W. Now the modem should understand that it talks at 115200 by default. Sorry to be so anthropomorphic, but you see, there's these little guys running around in there.... Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Alejandro Galindo wrote: > 1 Year ago i try to configure the modem speed in the gettytab and > ttys files for dialin, i only can use the std.19200 and it works well, i see > in the pppkit a configuration with std.38400, std.57600 and std.115200, but > when a user conect to my server he only see bad characters (not the login > prompt) i try with several modems (motorola 33.6, etc. now we have the > motorola 57.6 ModemSurfer) but i can't work with a configuration major than > std.19200. > > Can you indicate me how configure the gettytab for a std.115200, std.57600 > and std.38400? and this number (115200) what do it mean? is the speed betwen > the serial port and the modem? > > I have a 2.2.5 RELEASE and a Cyclades Cyclom-Y multiport (it support 115200 > i think). > > thanks in advanced > > Saludos > Alejandro > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | , , | > | /( )` | > | \ \___ / | | > | /- _ `-/ ' | > | (/\/ \ \ /\ | > | ExSoCom Dgo. MEXICO / / | ` \ | > | O O ) / | | > | `-^--'`< ' | > | (_.) _ ) / | > | Alejandro Galindo Chairez `.___/` / | > | Tel: (18) 179177 `-----' / | > | Fax: (18) 179177 <----. __ / __ \ | > | <----|====O)))==) \) /==== | > | e-mail alejandro.galindo@exsocom.com.mx <----' `--' `.__,' \ | > | | | | > | http://www.exsocom.com.mx \ / /\| > | ______( (_ / \______/ | > | ,' ,-----' | | > | a FreeBSD user `--{__________) | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 14:43:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24218 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:43:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24208 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kpielorz@tdx.co.uk) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01458 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:42:43 GMT Message-ID: <34C91CE3.E6C088FE@tdx.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:42:43 +0000 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: TDX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IRC - Anyone know anything about this? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Can someone either answer the questions below, or point me in the right direction regards IRC? We're a small ISP in the UK - and recently all our customers have been 'booted' off other UK ISP's IRC servers (notably Demon) - Not that were saying this is _wrong_ or anything, as it's their IRC server, their bandwidth etc... My questions are: 1. Where can I get any documentation about setting up IRC on FreeBSD? - what IRC servers are popular etc.? 2. If I setup a local IRC server - this isn't going to suck all our bandwidth is it? - Am I right in thinking it will only use as much bandwidth as the clients it's supporting are using? (e.g. 4 clients in 5 channels means it will only be receiving data sent to those 4 clients in 5 channels, and not _all_ the other channels being sent? - kinda like an IRC proxy 'server' more than anything else?) I've played around with ircd, and got some 'interesting' results, which bare no comparison to the config files I thought I'd been setting up - I thought I'd better find out more info - before I go round causing 'trouble' ;-) Thanks for any help, Regards, Karl Pielorz From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 15:51:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29436 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:51:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from limbo.rtfm.net (nathan@rtfm.net [204.141.125.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29429 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nathan@limbo.rtfm.net) Received: (from nathan@localhost) by limbo.rtfm.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05290; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:50:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19980123185031.45289@rtfm.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:50:31 -0500 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Karl Pielorz Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IRC - Anyone know anything about this? References: <34C91CE3.E6C088FE@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <34C91CE3.E6C088FE@tdx.co.uk>; from Karl Pielorz on Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 10:42:43PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 23, 1998 at 10:42:43PM +0000, Karl Pielorz wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone either answer the questions below, or point me in the right > direction regards IRC? > > We're a small ISP in the UK - and recently all our customers have been > 'booted' off other UK ISP's IRC servers (notably Demon) - Not that were saying > this is _wrong_ or anything, as it's their IRC server, their bandwidth etc... > > My questions are: > > 1. Where can I get any documentation about setting up IRC on FreeBSD? - what > IRC servers are popular etc.? ircd is really "the" irc server. ircd+hybrid5 is what's currently being used on EFnet; other networks have their own modified daemons. The vanilla ircd (if you're going to base your own ircd on it) is in /usr/ports/net/irc. The EFnet hybrid5 daemon is in /usr/ports/net/ircd-hybrid-5. > 2. If I setup a local IRC server - this isn't going to suck all our bandwidth > is it? - Am I right in thinking it will only use as much bandwidth as the > clients it's supporting are using? (e.g. 4 clients in 5 channels means it will > only be receiving data sent to those 4 clients in 5 channels, and not _all_ > the other channels being sent? - kinda like an IRC proxy 'server' more than > anything else?) If you hook it up to a net it's going to suck bandwidth. EFnet takes up a T1 on a 'light' day I'm told, and a 10baseT or even DS3 connection is recommended. > I've played around with ircd, and got some 'interesting' results, which bare > no comparison to the config files I thought I'd been setting up - I thought > I'd better find out more info - before I go round causing 'trouble' ;-) > > Thanks for any help, > > Regards, > > Karl Pielorz -- ________________ _______________________________ / Nathan Dorfman V PGP: finger nathan@rtfm.net / / nathan@rtfm.net | http://www.rtfm.net / From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 16:07:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA01024 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:07:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (servidor.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA00998; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agalindo@servidor.exsocom.com.mx) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (direccion.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.131]) by servidor.exsocom.com.mx (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12446; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:12:18 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980124001155.00949cd8@exsocom.com.mx> X-Sender: agalindo@exsocom.com.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:11:55 -0600 To: Chuck From: Alejandro Galindo Subject: Re: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i set speed 115200 with kermit, the problem now is the modem not respond to "at" commands, next i set the speed to 19200 but the modem dont respond to "at" commands, i use the tip program for configure the modems (like kermit) but i cant configure the modem to factory at&f, how can i do?. With other modem, i use the "mgetty -s 115200" in ttys file and it works (from reply Jim Bryant ) and the comunication is most faster now we have an average round-trip (with ping) of 140 ms in the past the average was 230 ms (betwen the server and the interface pppc00.mydomain --> /dev/ttyc00). the question now is why if the modem works well with mgetty and 115200 of speed when i set the speed with kermit to 115200 the modem is'nt work? thank you for your replys Saludos Alejandro At 17:20 23/01/98 -0500, you wrote: >The modem must be convinced to communicate with FreeBSD at the >desired speed. Gettytab only influences FreeBSD. If the serial >interface is different from what the modem sends, there will be >garbage. Talk to the modem about this. Use kermit and the device >name cuaa0 (not tty0 or sio0 or whatever; it's the same device, >seen from a different perspective). Set speed to 115200 (for instance), >AT, and wait for OK. If you get OK, then enter AT&F, possibly other S0=1 >etc., then AT&W. Now the modem should understand that it talks at >115200 by default. > >Sorry to be so anthropomorphic, but you see, there's these little guys >running around in there.... > Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net > ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | , , | | /( )` | | \ \___ / | | | /- _ `-/ ' | | (/\/ \ \ /\ | | ExSoCom Dgo. MEXICO / / | ` \ | | O O ) / | | | `-^--'`< ' | | (_.) _ ) / | | Alejandro Galindo Chairez `.___/` / | | Tel: (52 18) 179177 `-----' / | | Fax: (52 18) 179177 <----. __ / __ \ | | <----|====O)))==) \) /==== | | e-mail alejandro.galindo@exsocom.com.mx <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | | | | | http://www.exsocom.com.mx \ / /\| | ______( (_ / \______/ | | ,' ,-----' | | | a FreeBSD user `--{__________) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 16:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA03951 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gwis.com (droberts@darcy.gwis.com [209.57.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03942 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:41:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from droberts@gwis.com) Received: from localhost (droberts@localhost) by gwis.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA13513 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Roberts To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Using alternate mail server for virtual hosts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Up until just last week we've had one machine handling all of our virtual hosted web customers.. the machine handled all websites and email accounts. Now I've added a second machine which will serve a new set of virtual host customers, but I want to keep the email boxes for their domain on the old machine. The problem I'm having is getting mail sent properly from the new vhost machine to users within domains that are hosted there. For example, let's say we host www.domain.com on the new vhost machine.. if you try to send email to anyone@domain.com from that server, it tries to deliver it locally but fails because there are no mailboxes there. Instead, it should deliver the message to the mailbox on the other server. MX records are set up properly, and I am using sendmail on both machines. What can I do to force delivery for these domains onto the original server? -- Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services sysadmin/ircadmin, barovia.oh.us.dal.net for Internet access in NE Ohio http://barovia.dal.net - Strahd on DALnet http://www.gwis.com From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 17:24:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07452 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.8.15.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07440 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:24:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@panda.hilink.com.au) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24085; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:23:47 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 12:23:46 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Dan Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using alternate mail server for virtual hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Dan Roberts wrote: > The problem I'm having is getting mail sent properly from the new vhost > machine to users within domains that are hosted there. For example, let's > say we host www.domain.com on the new vhost machine.. if you try to send > email to anyone@domain.com from that server, it tries to deliver it > locally but fails because there are no mailboxes there. Instead, it > should deliver the message to the mailbox on the other server. > > MX records are set up properly, and I am using sendmail on both machines. > What can I do to force delivery for these domains onto the original > server? >From your description, I would doubt that the MX records are set up properly, but in any case there is an option in sendmail to deliver all "local" mail to a different machine. In sendmail.cf it is DH, but I'm not sure how to describe it in the .mc file. Danny From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 18:15:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15637 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buffnet4.buffnet.net (buffnet4.buffnet.net [205.246.19.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15615 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shovey@buffnet.net) Received: from buffnet11.buffnet.net (buffnet11.buffnet.net [205.246.19.55]) by buffnet4.buffnet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23185; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:09:28 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Hovey To: Dan Roberts cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Using alternate mail server for virtual hosts In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What I do is translate the addresses to userid@myregulardomain.com so it goes to the right machine on the second virt machine. On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Dan Roberts wrote: > Up until just last week we've had one machine handling all of our virtual > hosted web customers.. the machine handled all websites and email > accounts. Now I've added a second machine which will serve a new set of > virtual host customers, but I want to keep the email boxes for their > domain on the old machine. > > The problem I'm having is getting mail sent properly from the new vhost > machine to users within domains that are hosted there. For example, let's > say we host www.domain.com on the new vhost machine.. if you try to send > email to anyone@domain.com from that server, it tries to deliver it > locally but fails because there are no mailboxes there. Instead, it > should deliver the message to the mailbox on the other server. > > MX records are set up properly, and I am using sendmail on both machines. > What can I do to force delivery for these domains onto the original > server? > > -- > Dan Roberts, http://gwis.com/~droberts Gateway to Internet Services > sysadmin/ircadmin, barovia.oh.us.dal.net for Internet access in NE Ohio > http://barovia.dal.net - Strahd on DALnet http://www.gwis.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Hovey Chief Engineer BuffNET More Than Just a Connection! ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 20:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27562 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:14:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mother.sneaker.net.au (akm@mother.sneaker.net.au [203.30.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27537; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:14:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akm@mother.sneaker.net.au) Received: (from akm@localhost) by mother.sneaker.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14040; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:25:45 +1100 (EST) From: Andrew Kenneth Milton Message-Id: <199801240425.PAA14040@mother.sneaker.net.au> Subject: Re: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files To: agalindo@servidor.exsocom.com.mx (Alejandro Galindo) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:25:45 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980123194541.00936e8c@exsocom.com.mx> from "Alejandro Galindo" at Jan 23, 98 01:45:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +-----[ Alejandro Galindo ]------------------------------ | | 1 Year ago i try to configure the modem speed in the gettytab and | ttys files for dialin, i only can use the std.19200 and it works well, i see | in the pppkit a configuration with std.38400, std.57600 and std.115200, but | when a user conect to my server he only see bad characters (not the login | prompt) i try with several modems (motorola 33.6, etc. now we have the | motorola 57.6 ModemSurfer) but i can't work with a configuration major than | std.19200. | | Can you indicate me how configure the gettytab for a std.115200, std.57600 | and std.38400? and this number (115200) what do it mean? is the speed betwen | the serial port and the modem? | | I have a 2.2.5 RELEASE and a Cyclades Cyclom-Y multiport (it support 115200 | i think). I am currently having the exact same problem with the exact same hardware, for std.57600. What is happening, is that the modem is downtraining the portspeed to 9600, and for some reason some of the ports lock themselves into 56K. I get this from looking at stty -f /dev/ttyc0xxx The ones with getty's on them are at 9600 (the ones that work) the ones that have PPP active have gone back to 57600. The ones that don't work have a getty camped on them with the port at 57600. I've been talking to our modem supplier in order to get old revision firmware in our modems, since they seem to work. Surprisingly if I go into terminal mode using user ppp and dial into a modem that way, everything is fine. If I attach a getty to that port directly after this, it goes back to delivering crap. The same port works with a different modem. We have modems that work, and a new batch that don't. We've been running for over 12 months with no problems until recently (2.2.2) Maybe the cyclades driver is a little buggy, and not the modems. -- ,-_|\ SneakerNet | Andrew Milton | GSM: +61(41)6 022 411 / \ P.O. Box 154 | akm@sneaker.net.au | Fax: +61(2) 9746 8233 \_,-._/ N Strathfield +--+----------------------+---+ Ph: +61(2) 9746 8233 v NSW 2137 | Low cost Internet Solutions | From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 20:39:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29779 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:39:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from email.polaccess.com (polaccess.com [205.166.42.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29772 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:39:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcin@polaccess.com) Received: from [205.166.42.125] by email.polaccess.com (SMTPD32-3.03) id A95A9E2E00FC; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:30:34 -0500 Message-ID: <34C96EE3.440B@polaccess.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:32:35 -0600 From: Marcin Pasek Reply-To: marcin@polaccess.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Quick Server move.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the fastes and quickest way to change the networking settings on a FreeBSD 2.2.1 ..I am moving that system on a diffrent LAN nad I will be changing stuff like GATEWAY, MASK and IP's... Thanks Marcin From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 21:29:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA04836 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from host.berk.com (berk.com [207.16.104.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA04828 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rip@berk.com) Received: from [207.16.107.33] by host.berk.com; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA13154; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:23:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:23:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9801240523.AA13154@host.berk.com> X-Sender: ber00021@berk.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: marcin@polaccess.com From: Jim Palmer Subject: Re: Quick Server move.... Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org how about the only way? to change the networking make sure you flush out your routed (if you have it enabled) and flush out the ifconfig. type: routed flush to get clear out the routing table. then "un"confugure the network device (assuming it's ed2) by: ifconfig ed2 delete and type: ifconfig -a to make sure you've "un"configured it. then edit either the /etc/rc.conf or the /etc/sysconfig file for the default gateway and the ifconfig line.. just change the ip address and the netmask in the ifconfig line, and the default gateway will speak for itself. Then you can move the machine onto the new network, and it should work. -jp At 10:32 PM 1/23/98 -0600, you wrote: >What is the fastes and quickest way to change the networking settings on >a FreeBSD 2.2.1 ..I am moving that system on a diffrent LAN nad I will >be changing stuff like GATEWAY, MASK and IP's... > >Thanks > >Marcin > > > From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 23 21:45:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA06448 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:45:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns1.glci.net (ns1.glci.net [209.113.152.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA06440 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:45:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@glci.net) Received: from ns1.glci.net (ns1.glci.net [209.113.152.10]) by ns1.glci.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11337; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:04:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 00:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: Bill_Desjardins To: Marcin Pasek cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Quick Server move.... In-Reply-To: <34C96EE3.440B@polaccess.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcin If the machine will not be shutoff: ifconfig (netcard drvr - eg. de0) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy route add default zzz.zzz.zzz.zzz then change the settings in /etc/rc.conf If the machine is moving physically, edit rc.conf (I run 2.1.7.1 so the filename could be wrong?) in the /etc dir and put the correct settings in there, and when you reboot, all *should* be well. On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Marcin Pasek wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:32:35 -0600 > From: Marcin Pasek > To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" > Subject: Quick Server move.... > > What is the fastes and quickest way to change the networking settings on > a FreeBSD 2.2.1 ..I am moving that system on a diffrent LAN nad I will > be changing stuff like GATEWAY, MASK and IP's... > > Thanks > > Marcin > =========================================== Bill Desjardins bill@carracing.com Global Communications INTERNET Services 160 Merrimack St. Lowell, MA 01852 Phone: 978.323.0300 http://www.glci.net From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 24 07:45:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17955 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (servidor.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17914; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 07:44:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agalindo@servidor.exsocom.com.mx) Received: from servidor.exsocom.com.mx (direccion.exsocom.com.mx [200.34.46.131]) by servidor.exsocom.com.mx (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02642; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:49:45 GMT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980124154917.0093ef04@exsocom.com.mx> X-Sender: agalindo@exsocom.com.mx X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:49:17 -0600 To: Andrew Kenneth Milton From: Alejandro Galindo Subject: Re: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Use the mgetty (usr/ports/comms/mgetty+sendfax) in replace of getty, now the portspeed is working at 115200 (mgetty -s 115200) or in the mgetty.config file ( in /usr/local/etc/mgetty+sendfax) put the configuration for every port: --------mgetty.config cut here---------- port ttyc00 debug 4 speed 115200 direct NO blocking NO data-only YES modem-type auto issue-file /etc/issue rings 1 autobauding YES login-prompt login: login-time 240 ---------------- cut here ------------------- with that you have an speed more fast than getty (may be only for the cyclades Y ports, i dont know for another serial multiports) Saludos Alejandro > >I am currently having the exact same problem with the exact same hardware, >for std.57600. > >What is happening, is that the modem is downtraining the portspeed to >9600, and for some reason some of the ports lock themselves into 56K. >I get this from looking at stty -f /dev/ttyc0xxx > >The ones with getty's on them are at 9600 (the ones that work) the ones >that have PPP active have gone back to 57600. The ones that don't work >have a getty camped on them with the port at 57600. > >I've been talking to our modem supplier in order to get old revision >firmware in our modems, since they seem to work. > >Surprisingly if I go into terminal mode using user ppp and dial into a modem >that way, everything is fine. If I attach a getty to that port directly >after this, it goes back to delivering crap. > >The same port works with a different modem. > >We have modems that work, and a new batch that don't. We've been running >for over 12 months with no problems until recently (2.2.2) Maybe the >cyclades driver is a little buggy, and not the modems. > >-- > ,-_|\ SneakerNet | Andrew Milton | GSM: +61(41)6 022 411 > / \ P.O. Box 154 | akm@sneaker.net.au | Fax: +61(2) 9746 8233 > \_,-._/ N Strathfield +--+----------------------+---+ Ph: +61(2) 9746 8233 > v NSW 2137 | Low cost Internet Solutions | > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | , , | | /( )` | | \ \___ / | | | /- _ `-/ ' | | (/\/ \ \ /\ | | ExSoCom Dgo. MEXICO / / | ` \ | | O O ) / | | | `-^--'`< ' | | (_.) _ ) / | | Alejandro Galindo Chairez `.___/` / | | Tel: (52 18) 179177 `-----' / | | Fax: (52 18) 179177 <----. __ / __ \ | | <----|====O)))==) \) /==== | | e-mail alejandro.galindo@exsocom.com.mx <----' `--' `.__,' \ | | | | | | http://www.exsocom.com.mx \ / /\| | ______( (_ / \______/ | | ,' ,-----' | | | a FreeBSD user `--{__________) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 24 14:59:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA20417 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:59:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.mel.aone.net.au (mail.mel.aone.net.au [203.12.176.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA20409 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from normh@aone.com.au) Received: from pc-normh.office.adl.aone.com.au (pc-normh.adl.aone.com.au [203.12.181.67]) by mail.mel.aone.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26682; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:58:57 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199801242258.JAA26682@mail.mel.aone.net.au> From: "Norman Hoy" To: "Bo Fussing" , Subject: Re: Private IP Addressing on Routers Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:40:27 +1030 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes I usse a 192.168.100.x mask 255.255.255.252 for the WAN links ie eth0 203.10.11.1 mask 255.255.255.0 bri0 192.168.100.5 255.255.255.252 at the other end bri0 192.168.100.6 255.255.255.252 eth0 203.10.12.1 mask 255.255.255.0 On the border router I have interface etho access-group 110 in access-list 110 deny ip 192.168.11.0 ..... etc regards Norman ---------- > From: Bo Fussing > To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Private IP Addressing on Routers > Date: Friday, 23 January 1998 20:10 > > Hi, > > Has anyone ever tried to use private IP addresses as described by RFC 1497 > on internal interfaces of routers, for example on the interfaces at two > ends of a leased line? > > Bo > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Bo Fussing Gateway Internet Ltd. > Tel +852 2963-7359 Fax +852 2963-7353 URL http://www.gateway.net.hk > PGP fingerprint = D7 9F ED 1D E5 B9 62 4F 77 BC D1 33 5B 4E 95 81 > For PGP ID & Signature mail empty message to bmf-pgp@gateway.net.hk > From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 24 16:28:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26681 for freebsd-isp-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:28:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from capecod.net (ostb44.capecod.net [207.19.28.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26676; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:28:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crtb@capecod.net) Received: from localhost (crtb@localhost) by capecod.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04466; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:43:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:43:18 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck To: Alejandro Galindo cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem Speed in ttys and gettytab files In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980124001155.00949cd8@exsocom.com.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about the control leads? It might help if you have a breakout box, to monitor the RS-232 signals. Kermit should raise DTR (pin 20 at the modem) and RS (pin 4 at the modem). The modem should respond with its own CS (pin 5) and DSR (pin 6). Pin 8 asserts CD and should only come on when a connection has been made over the phone line. If Kermit can assert pins 4 and 20 (I forget what pin numbers at the 9-pin connector), the modem should respond to AT commands at all speeds. Chuck Bacon -- crtb@capecod.net ABHOR SECRECY -- DEFEND PRIVACY On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Alejandro Galindo wrote: > i set speed 115200 with kermit, the problem now is the modem not > respond to "at" commands, next i set the speed to 19200 but the modem dont > respond to "at" commands, i use the tip program for configure the modems > (like kermit) but i cant configure the modem to factory at&f, how can i do?. > > With other modem, i use the "mgetty -s 115200" in ttys file and it > works (from reply Jim Bryant ) and the comunication is > most faster now we have an average round-trip (with ping) of 140 ms in the > past the average was 230 ms (betwen the server and > the interface pppc00.mydomain --> /dev/ttyc00). > > the question now is why if the modem works well with mgetty and 115200 of > speed when i set the speed with kermit to 115200 the modem is'nt work? > > thank you for your replys > Saludos > Alejandro