From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:01:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24711 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:01:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miro.bestweb.net (miro.bestweb.net [209.94.100.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA24695 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prw@bestweb.net) Received: from default (fwibbly@bofh.ircadmin.org [209.94.111.12]) by miro.bestweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA22979; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:56:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319010049.008648e0@pop.bestweb.net> X-Sender: prw@pop.bestweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:00:49 -0500 To: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Hi In-Reply-To: <19980319165536.10210@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh really? Well, Hi Sue :o) I'm not really a newbie newbie to FreeBSD, but I still have a lot to learn. Looking forward to getting some information on this list. Regards, Paul. At 04:55 PM 3/19/98 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: > >Hi James, I thought I saw someone slip in the back door :-) > >What's this about MS Visual Studio? I'm wondering if there might be >something that does the same job under FreeBSD. What does it do? > >Don't worry about being flooded by mail. It's going to take a while for >newbies to pluck up the courage to join and then I bet most of them will be >too chicken to speak up and say hello for a while :-) > >Some people have been talking about how to read documents like the handbook >and FAQ under windoze before installing. I dragged them into a good text >editor and spent hours reformatting, but I'm sure that's not the best method >(I usually pick the hardest method for everything. One day I'll learn!). How >did you read the stuff that's on the CD? > > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > >find / -name "*.conf" |more > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA25854 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from client.alltel.net (client.alltel.net [166.102.165.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25849 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crff@alltel.net) Received: from twd ([166.102.116.91]) by client.alltel.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA153B for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:11:44 -0600 Message-ID: <002301bd52fa$b96138a0$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> From: "Chuck" To: Subject: Re: Hi Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:48:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3026.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3026.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi boys and girls I am a newbie newbie so I'm just gonna sit here and lurk for awhile, but look out when I get goin'. Nitey nite, Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilson To: Sue Blake ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 1:01 AM Subject: Re: Hi >Oh really? Well, Hi Sue :o) > >I'm not really a newbie newbie to FreeBSD, but I still have a lot to learn. >Looking forward to getting some information on this list. > >Regards, > >Paul. > >At 04:55 PM 3/19/98 +1100, Sue Blake wrote: >> >>Hi James, I thought I saw someone slip in the back door :-) >> >>What's this about MS Visual Studio? I'm wondering if there might be >>something that does the same job under FreeBSD. What does it do? >> >>Don't worry about being flooded by mail. It's going to take a while for >>newbies to pluck up the courage to join and then I bet most of them will be >>too chicken to speak up and say hello for a while :-) >> >>Some people have been talking about how to read documents like the handbook >>and FAQ under windoze before installing. I dragged them into a good text >>editor and spent hours reformatting, but I'm sure that's not the best method >>(I usually pick the hardest method for everything. One day I'll learn!). How >>did you read the stuff that's on the CD? >> >> >>-- >> >>Regards, >> -*Sue*- >> >>find / -name "*.conf" |more >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:14:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26188 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26181 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16791; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:13:43 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319171339.44704@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:13:39 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Paul Wilson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi References: <19980319165536.10210@welearn.com.au> <3.0.5.32.19980319010049.008648e0@pop.bestweb.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319010049.008648e0@pop.bestweb.net>; from Paul Wilson on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:00:49AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:00:49AM -0500, Paul Wilson wrote: > Oh really? Well, Hi Sue :o) Oops, so much for trying to talk behind your back :-) > I'm not really a newbie newbie to FreeBSD, but I still have a lot to learn. If I told you how long I've been a newbie for, you'd laugh your head off! > Looking forward to getting some information on this list. Me too. It's not going to do what FreeBSD-questions does, but sometimes I don't want answers, I want to talk the thing through with someone who doesn't know much either. By the time I've got a problem important enough to ask about on freebsd-questions I'm in such a state that I can't blurt it out without help. I'd much rather let you lot have the first laugh at my bloopers :-) Do you ever get yourself in a mess and find it's hard to ask about it because you don't know what to call the stuff? There's a whole lot of things I've avoided using or talking about because I didn't know how. Maybe when I get to know you better we can compare war stories and avoidance tactics. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:14:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26247 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26229 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.27]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:17:29 -0600 Message-ID: <3510B71D.839@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:11:41 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi References: <19980319165536.10210@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > Don't worry about being flooded by mail. It's going to take a while for > newbies to pluck up the courage to join and then I bet most of them will be > too chicken to speak up and say hello for a while :-) It is not a matter of courage and being chicken! Some subscribers are just polite, sit back and listen before they open their mouth. Regards, Ralf Black To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:14:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26294 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polymorph.qcsn.com (root@polymorph.qcsn.com [207.149.233.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26252 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@qcsn.com) Received: from greymouser.circle-path.org (ami-chan.circle-path.org [207.149.233.16]) by polymorph.qcsn.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA29345 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:22:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:16:06 -0800 () From: Rick Hamell To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@mail.qcsn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake said: > Don't worry about being flooded by mail. It's going to take a while for > newbies to pluck up the courage to join and then I bet most of them will be > too chicken to speak up and say hello for a while :-) Well, as a newbie to FreeBSD, I'll be saying hello to y'all! :) I > Some people have been talking about how to read documents like the handbook > and FAQ under windoze before installing. I dragged them into a good text > editor and spent hours reformatting, but I'm sure that's not the best method > (I usually pick the hardest method for everything. One day I'll learn!). How > did you read the stuff that's on the CD? Speaking of reading manuals, anyone know of a good, step-by-step FreeBSD Installation guide? I've looked over Freebsd.org again and again, and have yet to find something like this. Being of that type that seems to be eternally poor, *grin* certain pieces of my hardware are stripped from where I could get them, for instance, an old 3-com Etherlink II card. It took me over four hours to figure out that I needed to do a custom installtion because FreeBSD was looking for the card on IRQ5, not IRQ9. It would help a bit, as I don't like to bug Rod over trivial stuff like that. :) Rick Hamell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:21:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27161 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:21:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27155 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16829; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:21:28 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319172125.48208@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:21:26 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Chuck Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi References: <002301bd52fa$b96138a0$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <002301bd52fa$b96138a0$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd>; from Chuck on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:48:57AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 12:48:57AM -0500, Chuck wrote: > Hi boys and girls > > I am a newbie newbie so I'm just gonna sit here and lurk for awhile, > but look out when I get goin'. No worries Chuck. Thanks for letting us know you're here. What's a newbie newbie? You mean a _real_ newbie? You mean, too new to participate in our true confessions? Nah, I don't believe it :-) We're going to draw it out of you, you know that. Come on, how long have you been running (or should I say installing?) FreeBSD? How did you install it? What would you do different next time? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:23:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27458 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:23:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (root@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au [131.170.24.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27450 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:23:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from minle@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au) Received: from yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (minle@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au [131.170.24.42]) by goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07137 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:02 +1100 (EST) Received: (from minle@localhost) by yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/csnode) id RAA00532 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:02 +1100 (EST) From: Tai Le Message-Id: <199803190623.RAA00532@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au> Subject: Config. local printer To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:02 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Anyone could help me how to configure my printer? I got a HP 400. Would it be possible to print PostScript from this printer? Thanks, Tai... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:29:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28084 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:29:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28076 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:29:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darkstar@aei.ca) Received: from darkstar.aei.ca (ppp1026.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.247.66]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA18894 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:29:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca> X-Sender: darkstar@mail.aei.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:25:52 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Steven Subject: Get the ball rolling... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I will get the ball rolling and give everyone a good laugh... When I first installed FreeBSD, all went fine and then the logon screen appeared and I sat there for ten minutes trying to figure out what the password was for root. I actually reinstalled the system, by the way I didn't even have the CD then so I downloaded the whole thing by ftp through my 28.8 modem and while I was surfing the net the next day after giving up I saw that you just hit the enter key. Now lets see someone top that! Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:35:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28959 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA28892 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16860; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:33:52 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319173348.15569@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:33:48 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Rick Hamell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Rick Hamell on Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 10:16:06PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 18, 1998 at 10:16:06PM -0800, Rick Hamell wrote: > > Sue Blake said: > > Some people have been talking about how to read documents like the handbook > > and FAQ under windoze before installing. I dragged them into a good text > > editor and spent hours reformatting, but I'm sure that's not the best method > > (I usually pick the hardest method for everything. One day I'll learn!). How > > did you read the stuff that's on the CD? > > Speaking of reading manuals, anyone know of a good, step-by-step > FreeBSD Installation guide? If you can spare a few dollars at some stage, get the book The Complete FreeBSD. It covers it step by step, leap by leap, forwards, backwards, and all the little bits in between. But it sounds like you're all done now. > I've looked over Freebsd.org again and again, and have yet to find > something like this. Being of that type that seems to be eternally poor, > *grin* certain pieces of my hardware are stripped from where I could get > them, for instance, an old 3-com Etherlink II card. It took me over four > hours to figure out that I needed to do a custom installtion because > FreeBSD was looking for the card on IRQ5, not IRQ9. It would help a bit, > as I don't like to bug Rod over trivial stuff like that. :) Well I read that bit of paper that comes with the CD, and the FAQ and the handbook and whatever else was there, and then pretend-installed a few times reading the "help" style doccos that are available during installation, and got it all muddled up. I can't say what it was that did it for me, but I did take a week off work and spend all of every day and night reinstalling, so I guess I was on the wrong track :-) Now I can do it in a couple of hours. In fact, I've done more installing than actually working with it! Did you really need to do a custom installation? You mean, on that menu where you can choose Novice, Custome or ? I reckon you could have changed the IRQ with UserConfig (you know, when you get the Boot: prompt and you type -c and change hardware things). Or am I missing something? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:38:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29278 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (steven@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29271 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15956 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:35:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:35:09 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: Get the ball rolling... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Steven wrote: : I will get the ball rolling and give everyone a good laugh... : : When I first installed FreeBSD, all went fine and then the logon screen : appeared and I sat there for ten minutes trying to figure out what the : password was for root. haha :*) : I actually reinstalled the system, by the way I didn't even have the CD : then so I downloaded the whole thing by ftp through my 28.8 modem and while : I was surfing the net the next day after giving up I saw that you just hit : the enter key. : You are crazy! I tried to install via ppp, went to sleep and woke up to find my isp disconnected me in something like the 8th hour!! So I forked over the $54 for the book+cd set from cdrom.com. It arrived within a couple of days. :*) : Now lets see someone top that! : : Steve : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:38:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29337 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from client.alltel.net (client.alltel.net [166.102.165.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29310 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:38:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crff@alltel.net) Received: from twd ([166.102.116.91]) by client.alltel.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA2252 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:38:35 -0600 Message-ID: <003e01bd52fe$78dd9400$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> From: "Chuck" To: Subject: Re: Hi Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:15:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3026.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3026.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >No worries Chuck. Thanks for letting us know you're here. > >What's a newbie newbie? You mean a _real_ newbie? You mean, too new to >participate in our true confessions? Nah, I don't believe it :-) >We're going to draw it out of you, you know that. > >Come on, how long have you been running (or should I say installing?) >FreeBSD? How did you install it? What would you do different next time? > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- I mean REAL new, as in brand new, still in the box and shrink wrap new. Actually, I've grown tired of using the "Worlds Most Complex Computer Virus" for an OS, otherwise known as Win95, and decided to take the FreeBSD path about a week ago. So far I've managed to download the minimum files to do the install from DOS, make the boot disk, and gather what reference material I've been able to dig up on the net. I'd like to buy a reference manual before I TRY my first install, but haven't found anything to get excited about yet. Any suggestions anyone?? Regards, Chuck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:39:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29418 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29406 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16884; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:39:15 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319173912.65021@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:39:12 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Tai Le Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Config. local printer References: <199803190623.RAA00532@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199803190623.RAA00532@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au>; from Tai Le on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 05:23:02PM +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 05:23:02PM +1100, Tai Le wrote: > Anyone could help me how to configure my printer? > > I got a HP 400. > Would it be possible to print PostScript from this printer? I haven't messed with printers but there's a big section on it in the online handbook. It's probably a good idea to work through that and then ask in freebsd-questions if it doesn't give you the answers. Of course only a PostScript printer can really print PostScript, but I hear lots of people talking about using some software to send PostScript files to an ordinary printer. I bet you'll find it all explained in the handbook. Let us know if you can't, but you'll only get guesses from us :-) Good luck! -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:45:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00135 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:45:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00115 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darkstar@aei.ca) Received: from darkstar.aei.ca (ppp1026.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.247.66]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA19348 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:44:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319014117.007bfd50@mail.aei.ca> X-Sender: darkstar@mail.aei.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:41:17 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Steven Subject: Installation Guide... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok I am currently writing a big tutorial on FreeBSD... (I just started two days ago) I am just at the part of the installation is there any thing that in particular you guys would like to see in it? It is going to be a step by step (I mean every step will be covered) Your input now would be a nice thing... Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:45:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00212 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:45:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00197 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:45:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16912; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:45:14 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319174511.17098@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:45:11 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Steven Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get the ball rolling... References: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca>; from Steven on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:25:52AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:25:52AM -0500, Steven wrote: > I will get the ball rolling and give everyone a good laugh... > > When I first installed FreeBSD, all went fine and then the logon screen > appeared and I sat there for ten minutes trying to figure out what the > password was for root. You only sat there for TEN minutes? Hahaha, ten minutes! You _knew_ it was a logon screen? How did you know that? You didn't reinstall to try to make it work without that "error message"? Grrr... only ten minutes... sheesh... -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:47:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00583 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:47:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from client.alltel.net (client.alltel.net [166.102.165.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00544 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:47:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crff@alltel.net) Received: from twd ([166.102.116.91]) by client.alltel.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA273D; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:47:35 -0600 Message-ID: <006101bd52ff$ba3956e0$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> From: "Chuck" To: , "Steven" Subject: Re: Installation Guide... Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:24:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3026.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3026.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Steven To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 1:45 AM Subject: Installation Guide... >Ok I am currently writing a big tutorial on FreeBSD... >(I just started two days ago) > >I am just at the part of the installation is there any thing that in >particular >you guys would like to see in it? Pictures.....Lots of Pictures! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:57:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02405 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:57:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polymorph.qcsn.com (root@polymorph.qcsn.com [207.149.233.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02399 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:57:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@qcsn.com) Received: from greymouser.circle-path.org (ami-chan.circle-path.org [207.149.233.16]) by polymorph.qcsn.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA29681; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:05:03 -0800 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:58:56 -0800 () From: Rick Hamell To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Freebsd Installtion (was Re: Hi) In-Reply-To: <19980319173348.15569@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@mail.qcsn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If you can spare a few dollars at some stage, get the book The Complete > FreeBSD. It covers it step by step, leap by leap, forwards, backwards, and > all the little bits in between. But it sounds like you're all done now. I'll look into it... maybe I can convice the library that they NEED it... *grin* > Did you really need to do a custom installation? You mean, on that menu > where you can choose Novice, Custome or ? I reckon you > could have changed the IRQ with UserConfig (you know, when you get the Boot: > prompt and you type -c and change hardware things). Or am I missing > something? I had to do a network installtion from work, as we couldn't find the FreeBSD CDRom anywhere...:( (Except for version 1.0) It took me a while to figure out that I could do the UserConfig from that first menu, as I had been trying to do it under the Custom install menu option. Once I got in there though, It took me a while to figure out which device ID the Network card was, THEN which IRQ it's on. (Made more tedious by the fact that 3Com only supports in production items anymore on their web site.) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:58:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02621 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tinny.eis.net.au (tinny.eis.net.au [203.12.171.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02603 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jye@eis.net.au) Received: from [203.12.171.17] (7220.eis.net.au [203.12.171.17]) by tinny.eis.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA01511 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:58:34 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319014117.007bfd50@mail.aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:53:13 +1000 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jye Tucker Subject: Re: Installation Guide... Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Ok I am currently writing a big tutorial on FreeBSD... >(I just started two days ago) > >I am just at the part of the installation is there any thing that in >particular >you guys would like to see in it? A nice desciption of setting up User PPP. I've got the dialup script working (after $10 worth of phone calls) but getting it to add the default route (add 0 0 HISADDR) automatically. I've tried putting the line in the ppp.conf file as the last entry in the connection, also tried in the ppp.linkup file. It just doesn't want to add the route and occassionally (the circumstances of which I'm still trying to work out), it appears to remove the route from the box to the remote modem. Any ideas anyone? I recently bought the TCP/IP Network Administrators Guide (published by O'Reilly) even though it is very Linux/Solaris orientated. I'd recommend this book, and all other O'Reilly books I've read (in particular the Learning Perl, Programming Perl and Unix Power Tools) to everyone. But how about a BSD port of the book? ;-) Jye p.s. hello everyone :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 22:59:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA02837 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:59:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA02823 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:59:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16957; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:59:11 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319175907.59300@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:59:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Steven Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation Guide... References: <3.0.5.32.19980319014117.007bfd50@mail.aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319014117.007bfd50@mail.aei.ca>; from Steven on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:41:17AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:41:17AM -0500, Steven wrote: > Ok I am currently writing a big tutorial on FreeBSD... > (I just started two days ago) > > I am just at the part of the installation is there any thing that in > particular you guys would like to see in it? > > It is going to be a step by step (I mean every step will be covered) Steve, that sounds great but you probably don't realise that there's a tremendous amount of effort being put into the FreeBSD documentation project. One of the important things they're trying to do is ensure that everything is done according to some sort of plan and efforts are not duplicated or misdirected. You really should write to the people at freebsd-doc@freebsd.org and find out where they're up to and how you might be able to contribute. It could save you a fair bit of work too. > Your input now would be a nice thing... That's what they say too but we've only had our own little comfy corner for "coming out" as newbies for _one_hour_. There's nowhere else on this damn planet where we can be alone. Certainly feel free to sit back and watch if you like, but I'll be letting the documentation team know of anything that people here are screaming for, don't you worry. There's nothing any of us would like more than to have some input into how the documentation project addresses our needs. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:02:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03178 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (root@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03087 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA15940 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:33:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:33:04 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: Config. local printer In-Reply-To: <199803190623.RAA00532@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Tai Le wrote: : : Hi all, : : Anyone could help me how to configure my printer? : : I got a HP 400. : Would it be possible to print PostScript from this printer? Tai: Check out /usr/ports/print/apsfilter. I believe this is what you need. I am a recent convert from Linux and had a heck of a time printing ps files. I still can't really. I installed the apsfilter port, but when i tried to print the WindowMaker user guide [a postscript file] it filled up one of my disk partions and only printed the first few pages. With exams this week I haven't had much time to fix things yet. Hopefully this weekend. Maybe you'll have better luck than I did. :*) : : : Thanks, : Tai... : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:04:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03539 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miro.bestweb.net (miro.bestweb.net [209.94.100.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03525 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prw@bestweb.net) Received: from default (fwibbly@bofh.ircadmin.org [209.94.111.12]) by miro.bestweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA26270 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:30:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319013506.0086dbc0@pop.bestweb.net> X-Sender: prw@pop.bestweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:35:06 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Get the ball rolling... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I didn't even get that far the first try. I hate instructions, I want everything done *now*. I tried copying the boot disk to an MSDOS formatted floppy and booting it without raw writing it first. Of course, that didn't work. So, when I did finally get FreeBSD installed, I configured stuff so wrong that my HD light stayed on constantly and trashed my Win95 partition... Ack. Paul. At 01:25 AM 3/19/98 -0500, Steven wrote: >I will get the ball rolling and give everyone a good laugh... > >When I first installed FreeBSD, all went fine and then the logon screen >appeared and I sat there for ten minutes trying to figure out what the >password was for root. > >I actually reinstalled the system, by the way I didn't even have the CD >then so I downloaded the whole thing by ftp through my 28.8 modem and while >I was surfing the net the next day after giving up I saw that you just hit >the enter key. > >Now lets see someone top that! > >Steve > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:06:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03807 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA03802 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:06:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.27]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:09:20 -0600 Message-ID: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:03:33 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Webserver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself into something: Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? Which server software works good with FreeBSD? Thanks, Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:09:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04249 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:09:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca (mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca [24.113.32.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04207 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:08:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336679-22668>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:08:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:08:13 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: Chuck cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi In-Reply-To: <003e01bd52fe$78dd9400$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Chuck wrote > > I mean REAL new, as in brand new, still in the box and shrink wrap new. > Actually, I've grown tired of using the "Worlds Most Complex Computer Virus" > for > an OS, otherwise known as Win95, and decided to take the FreeBSD path about > a week ago. So far I've managed to download the minimum files to do the > install from > DOS, make the boot disk, and gather what reference material I've been able > to dig up > on the net. I'd like to buy a reference manual before I TRY my first > install, but haven't > found anything to get excited about yet. Any suggestions anyone?? > > Regards, > > Chuck > Welcome to the world of FreeBSD, I'm also a new person to the world of Unix, so far 2 months, have also used microsquishy 95 aka Windoze95 for several years. decided to to make the jump to a UNIX OS, first RedHat Linux v5.0 (Hurricane) then to Slackware Linux 3.4 and finally to FreeBSD 2.2.5 there is alot you can do with FreeBSD.. for one developing programs, running ircd (Internet Relay Chat Daemon) put up a web server, Mud Server ftp site the list can go on and on.. most of the software available is released under GNU so it free, as long as you installed the developer packages. also currently serveral game company have made thier source code available to UNIX users. ( ie doom, quake, rumor tho descent ) the world is now open and the fences are down.. have fun Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop of kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:13:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05350 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:13:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miro.bestweb.net (miro.bestweb.net [209.94.100.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05323 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prw@bestweb.net) Received: from default (fwibbly@bofh.ircadmin.org [209.94.111.12]) by miro.bestweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA29242 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:08:22 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319021306.008692a0@pop.bestweb.net> X-Sender: prw@pop.bestweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:13:06 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Hi In-Reply-To: References: <003e01bd52fe$78dd9400$5b7466a6@twd.net.twd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Off topic] ircd runs great. I'm running a failry high usage (500+ clients) irc server on FreeBSD 3.0 plus MUD, Quake, SMTP, POP3 all on a generic intel clone P200 with 128 megs RAM. Better than I've ever seen Linux do... Paul At 11:08 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote: > Welcome to the world of FreeBSD, I'm also a new person to the world of >Unix, so far 2 months, have also used microsquishy 95 aka Windoze95 >for several years. decided to to make the jump to a UNIX OS, first RedHat >Linux v5.0 (Hurricane) then to Slackware Linux 3.4 and finally to FreeBSD >2.2.5 > >there is alot you can do with FreeBSD.. for one developing programs, >running ircd (Internet Relay Chat Daemon) put up a web server, Mud Server >ftp site the list can go on and on.. most of the software available is >released under GNU so it free, as long as you installed the developer >packages. also currently serveral game company have made thier source code >available to UNIX users. ( ie doom, quake, rumor tho descent ) > >the world is now open and the fences are down.. have fun > >Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf >SorceryNet IRC >IRCop of kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 >whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:15:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05922 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:15:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05841 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02044; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:14:36 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:14:36 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco To: Ralf Black cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Webserver In-Reply-To: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ralf Black wrote: |I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself |into something: | | Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? | Which server software works good with FreeBSD? Most defenitely it is. Iahve been running FreeBSD for a while now and it is simplicity itself to add virtual servers and such. I use Apache and I recommend it to everyone. --salvo "A FreeBSD user" ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:20:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07386 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca (mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca [24.113.32.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07337 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:20:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336708-22667>; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:20:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: Ralf Black cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Webserver In-Reply-To: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ralf Black wrote: > I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself > into something: > > Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? > > Which server software works good with FreeBSD? > > Thanks, > Ralf > hiya Ralf; to your first question, Yep and your second question, there are several available from the ftp.freebsd.org or if you have the CD's, currently there is Apache is an excellant web server, I've only talked to certain individuals about this web server haven't installed myself. Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop of kechara.sorcery.net port#9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@sorcery.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07396 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from miro.bestweb.net (miro.bestweb.net [209.94.100.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07349 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from prw@bestweb.net) Received: from default (fwibbly@bofh.ircadmin.org [209.94.111.12]) by miro.bestweb.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA29707; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:15:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319022037.00872610@pop.bestweb.net> X-Sender: prw@pop.bestweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:20:37 -0500 To: ralf@acadiacom.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Paul Wilson Subject: Re: Webserver In-Reply-To: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:03 AM 3/19/98 -0600, you wrote: >I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself >into something: > > Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? Definately. I have 290 virtual domains running on a FreeBSD 2.2.5 web server with over 600 hits every minute. > > Which server software works good with FreeBSD? Apache. (www.apache.org) Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:22:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA07887 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA07855 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17025; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:20:00 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319181954.33925@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:19:54 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: ralf@acadiacom.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Webserver References: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net>; from Ralf Black on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:03:33AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 01:03:33AM -0600, Ralf Black wrote: > I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself > into something: > > Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? The best. > Which server software works good with FreeBSD? Apache. But of course you're talking to a bunch of religiously obsessed newbies. If we really knew answers we wouldn't be here :-) You could see what the experts use. Walnut Creek (cdrom.com) and Yahoo! both run on FreeBSD. So do we for that matter, and we've all got excellent taste :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:23:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA08209 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from firewall.scitec.com.au (firewall-user@fgate.scitec.com.au [203.17.180.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08197 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:23:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john.saunders@scitec.com.au) Received: by firewall.scitec.com.au; id RAA16252; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:44 +1000 (EST) Received: from mailhub.scitec.com.au(203.17.180.131) by fgate.scitec.com.au via smap (3.2) id xma016246; Thu, 19 Mar 98 17:23:32 +1000 Received: from hydra.scitec.com.au (hydra.scitec.com.au [203.17.182.101]) by mailhub.scitec.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA01134 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:32 +1000 Received: from scitec.com.au (saruman.scitec.com.au) by hydra.scitec.com.au with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213382211; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:23:31 +1100 Message-Id: <3510C7F4.78079D64@scitec.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:23:32 +1100 From: John Saunders Organization: SCITEC LIMITED X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hi References: <19980319173348.15569@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > > I've looked over Freebsd.org again and again, and have yet to find > > something like this. Being of that type that seems to be eternally poor, > > *grin* certain pieces of my hardware are stripped from where I could get > > them, for instance, an old 3-com Etherlink II card. It took me over four > > hours to figure out that I needed to do a custom installtion because > > FreeBSD was looking for the card on IRQ5, not IRQ9. It would help a bit, > > as I don't like to bug Rod over trivial stuff like that. :) That seems to be a common problem with the PC architecture. With the PCI and PnP ISA cards all this stuff can be determined automatically. However legacy ISA cards will still be an unknown quantity for the OS. For for most operating systems, having knowledge of the settings on non-PnP cards is critical to installing OK. And for operating systems that don't fully support PnP you need even more knowledge. Unless of course you have a plain standard system (no ethernet, no sound, no SCSI). There are some tricks an OS can do like probing that can be done. However there are gotchas with probes for one device clobbering another device. Windows 95 SETUP specifically detects if it gets reset during a probe so it knows the 2nd time around to skip that probe. I hope that FreeBSD will get some decent PnP support in the near future. Cheers. -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ . | John Saunders mailto:John.Saunders@scitec.com.au (Work) | ,--_|\ | mailto:john@nlc.net.au (Home) | / Oz \ | http://www.nlc.net.au/~john/ | \_,--\_/ | SCITEC LIMITED Phone +61 2 9428 9563 Fax +61 2 9428 9933 | v | "By the time you make ends meet, they move the ends." | +------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09003 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08998 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:29:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.27]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:32:25 -0600 Message-ID: <3510C8AE.990@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:26:38 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for all the answers. Oh, one more thing. Please don't send Cc: when you answer. I get everything twice, from the mailing list and through my e-mail address. Thanks, Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:30:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09193 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (steven@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09187 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA16378 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:27:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:27:37 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: Mail In-Reply-To: <3510C8AE.990@acadiacom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, is there a way for freebsd.org to set the Reply-To: header so that doesn't happen so much? -Steven On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ralf Black wrote: : Thanks for all the answers. : : Oh, one more thing. Please don't send Cc: when you answer. I get : everything twice, from the mailing list and through my e-mail address. : : Thanks, : Ralf : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:31:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09277 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09271 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:31:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA02483 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:31:31 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:31:31 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail In-Reply-To: <3510C8AE.990@acadiacom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can the list owner please put the reply-to fields in the majordomo list.conf file so that when we reply, it uses the reply-to field - or asks us if we want to (well, I use pine :) It makes life easier :) On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ralf Black wrote: |Thanks for all the answers. | |Oh, one more thing. Please don't send Cc: when you answer. I get |everything twice, from the mailing list and through my e-mail address. | |Thanks, |Ralf | |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org |with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message | ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:35:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA09574 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:35:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA09566 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dj@stmichael.org) Received: from dking.vip.best.com (dking.vip.best.com [206.86.6.140]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id XAA08260; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3510CA11.237C228A@stmichael.org> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:32:33 -0800 From: Doug King Organization: St. Michael the Archangel Orthodox Church X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ralf@acadiacom.net CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Webserver References: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, Though I still consider myself a newbie, I'm currently running couple of systems supporting a dozen or so domains including a couple of commerce sites (running minivend... which is MUCH harder to set up than FreeBSD.) My config(s) are P200s, running Apache (with the BSD FronPage Bloatware extensions) and Apache with SSL extensions and CyberCash, IRCD, RAS. Apache is configured for virtual domains (I haven't figured out how to finagle more IP addresses from my upstream provider). Given the limitations that I'm working with, this really is a GREAT system. I almost went live with an NT based dual processor ARC server before I discovered FreeBSD. Glad I went the way I did. Cheers, dj Ralf Black wrote: > > I decided to host my own webpage (and others), but before I get myself > into something: > > Is FreeBSD a good operating software for this? > > Which server software works good with FreeBSD? > > Thanks, > Ralf > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- + + D. J. King + dj@stmichael.org + + The Tinker's Domain + http://www.nettinker.com/ + St. Michael Orthodox Church + http://www.stmichael.org/ + The Iconography Pages + http://www.iconography.com/ + Irina & Sons Icon Gallery + http://www.nettinker.com/icongal/ + Oakwood Publications + http://www.nettinker.com/oakwood/ + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:50:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13150 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:50:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13144 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.27]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:53:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3510CD94.7F5B@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:48:08 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG CC: dj@stmichael.org Subject: Re: Webserver References: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> <3510CA11.237C228A@stmichael.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug King wrote: > My config(s) are P200s, running Apache (with the BSD FronPage Bloatware > extensions) and Apache with SSL extensions and CyberCash, IRCD, RAS. > Apache is configured for virtual domains (I haven't figured out how to > finagle more IP addresses from my upstream provider). How fast is your upstream connection and do you use a national backbone provider? I was thinking of starting with a 128 kb ISDN and move up as more pages I host. Frame Relay is not bad, but more expencive. At the moment I'm checking the local providers, but nobody has frame relay. Any suggestions? Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Mar 18 23:57:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14120 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:57:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (steven@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14111 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:57:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA16563 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:53:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: procmail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As the mail from this list mounts I feel the need to use procmail. :*) I created my ~/.procmailrc file correctly [I think] but it does not seem to work. The manpage says that it can be started "over the .forward file" or the sysadmin can set it up. It does not explain how to do either of those however. I would prefer to set it up system-wide. Does anyone know how to do this? -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:03:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14917 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14903 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17200; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:02:27 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319190224.40894@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:02:24 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Steven Rutter Cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Steven Rutter on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:53:56AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:53:56AM -0500, Steven Rutter wrote: > As the mail from this list mounts I feel the need to use procmail. :*) I > created my ~/.procmailrc file correctly [I think] but it does not seem to > work. The manpage says that it can be started "over the .forward file" or > the sysadmin can set it up. It does not explain how to do either of those > however. I would prefer to set it up system-wide. Does anyone know how to > do this? Procmail's a hairy one. I reckon anyone who admits to understanding it is a super-brain, not a newbie :-) If you want answers to questions like this ask on freebsd-questions. It's there for newbie questions as well as more advanced ones. We just hang out here and send them our problems once we know what they are. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:07:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15707 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:07:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15646 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:06:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17218; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:06:25 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319190623.20398@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:06:23 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Steven Rutter Cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Steven Rutter on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:53:56AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:53:56AM -0500, Steven Rutter wrote: > As the mail from this list mounts I feel the need to use procmail. :*) I've got an idea! Procmail's too hard for me, but mutt isn't. When I read mail in mutt it knows the name of my mailing lists and I can tag them and put them into folders really easily. So far it's working fine, on about 2 megs of mail a day. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:13:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16395 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:13:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16387 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:13:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.27]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:16:18 -0600 Message-ID: <3510D2F9.7717@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:10:33 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: Steven Rutter , freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail References: <19980319190623.20398@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can you explain this in English for a Netscape user? Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:53:56AM -0500, Steven Rutter wrote: > > As the mail from this list mounts I feel the need to use procmail. :*) > > I've got an idea! Procmail's too hard for me, but mutt isn't. When I read > mail in mutt it knows the name of my mailing lists and I can tag them and > put them into folders really easily. So far it's working fine, on about 2 > megs of mail a day. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:13:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16452 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:13:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bu.ac.th (lily.bu.ac.th [203.148.231.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA16389 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from panuamon@lily.bu.ac.th) Received: from localhost by bu.ac.th (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA07499; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:10:41 +0700 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:10:41 +0700 (GMT) From: "Phanuamorn Jamcharudsri (A40019)" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Hello all Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ladies and Gentlemen, Hi all, I'm really newbie in FreeBSD. So I think I can get more experience with this mailling list. I would like to know about usenet news server on BSD system too. Thank you forward for your all kind. Sincerely yours, Phanuamorn J. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:21:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17683 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:21:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA17677 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03711 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:21:28 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:21:28 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: <19980319190224.40894@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: |Procmail's a hairy one. I reckon anyone who admits to understanding it is a |super-brain, not a newbie :-) What kind of things do you want to use procmail for? I use it quite effectively for anti-spamming as well as for lists as well. Ask away :) ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:27:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18665 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:27:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp13.bellglobal.com (smtp13.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18654 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darkstar@aei.ca) Received: from darkstar.aei.ca (ppp983.qc.bellglobal.com [206.172.247.23]) by smtp13.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA11714 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:26:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980319032339.007acaa0@mail.aei.ca> X-Sender: darkstar@mail.aei.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:23:39 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Steven Subject: Re:Hello all Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Ladies and Gentlemen, > Hi all, I'm really newbie in FreeBSD. So I think I can get more >experience with this mailling list. I would like to know about usenet news >server on BSD system too. > Thank you forward for your all kind. > Sincerely yours, > Phanuamorn J. Well news servers aren't my strong suit but here is list of the avaiable servers from the ports section leafnode (for small sites only) inn cnews dnews (commercial) More info can be found on these servers from http://www.freebsd.org/ports/news.html Hope this is what you meant by usenet server Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:29:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18910 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18895 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:29:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dj@stmichael.org) Received: from dking.vip.best.com (dking.vip.best.com [206.86.6.140]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id AAA03330 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:28:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3510D6EE.7DE14518@stmichael.org> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:27:26 -0800 From: Doug King Organization: St. Michael the Archangel Orthodox Church X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Webserver References: <3510C345.14D9@acadiacom.net> <3510CA11.237C228A@stmichael.org> <3510CD94.7F5B@acadiacom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Ralf, I'm currently running on a T1 (more than I need) that's two hops out of MaeWEST. The upstream provider is CerfNET... but I'm actually borrowing the T1 (or at least most of it) from one of their customers. Not sure whether it's available where you are, but rather than either frame or ISDN, you might try to find a provider that offers xDSL.... which looks like THE way to go up-to about T1 speeds. Concentric is beginning to offer it around here with prices (more or less... from memory) like the following (unfortunately, *I* can't sign up yet... they're still two exchanges away from me... but I'm first on the list): 128-384K XDSL $159 512K XDSL $259 1.544M/384K ADSL $399 All of the above presumably INCLUDE the XDSL modem, 32 IP addresses, Primary/Secondary DNS, line charges... Install is, if I remember correctly, less than $750. Don't know (much) about network latency, yet... but it shouldn't be too bad... and XDSL, unlike ADSL provides balanced bandwidth both directions. Cheers, dj Ralf Black wrote: > > Doug King wrote: > > > My config(s) are P200s, running Apache (with the BSD FronPage Bloatware > > extensions) and Apache with SSL extensions and CyberCash, IRCD, RAS. > > Apache is configured for virtual domains (I haven't figured out how to > > finagle more IP addresses from my upstream provider). > > How fast is your upstream connection and do you use a national backbone > provider? > I was thinking of starting with a 128 kb ISDN and move up as more pages > I host. Frame Relay is not bad, but more expencive. At the moment I'm > checking the local providers, but nobody has frame relay. > Any suggestions? > > Ralf -- + + D. J. King + dj@stmichael.org + + The Tinker's Domain + http://www.nettinker.com/ + St. Michael Orthodox Church + http://www.stmichael.org/ + The Iconography Pages + http://www.iconography.com/ + Irina & Sons Icon Gallery + http://www.nettinker.com/icongal/ + Oakwood Publications + http://www.nettinker.com/oakwood/ + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:29:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19013 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18997 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:29:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17287; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:29:14 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319192911.25096@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:29:11 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: ralf@acadiacom.net Cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail References: <19980319190623.20398@welearn.com.au> <3510D2F9.7717@acadiacom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3510D2F9.7717@acadiacom.net>; from Ralf Black on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:10:33AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 02:10:33AM -0600, Ralf Black wrote: > Can you explain this in English for a Netscape user? What are you doing using Netscape for mail? Oh, I see, your operating system made you do it. Shame on you :-) To handle mail properly you need a proper mail program (not a web browser on steroids). If you don't use one, you just can't do it properly. If you are stuck in windoze then don't use anything for mail except Pegasus Mail for Windows. It is the only one I know of that lets you send out proper mail that doesn't upset people and sorts it when it comes in. Unlike Eudora, Pegasus is free. Equal to that task under FreeBSD is mutt. It's not quite as automated as Pegasus, but because we're working with unix there's a lot more that can be done with it. It works similar to pine and elm but has more features, so if you're familiar with one of them it's pretty easy to change over. When you set up your .muttrc there's a place to list your mailing lists, or rather, the name before the @ sign like "freebsd-newbies freebsd-questions" and so on. Then when you look at your new mail, instead of saying the person it's from it says the name of the mailing list. Give it the tag command (T), type in what you're looking for, in this case messages To this list (~t freebsd-newbies), and they're tagged. Then there's a command for moving all the tagged messages to a folder and you tell it what to call the folder and so on. You'll get the full story from the doccos, but they're a bit hard to understand so ask me for the gorey details if you go this way. I don't think I'm using it the best way possible, but I've always been too ashamed of not knowing much about it to ask anyone. If you do try mutt and find a better way, do let me know :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:31:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA19472 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:31:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA19429 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:31:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01004; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:31:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:31:36 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Steven Rutter cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Steven Rutter wrote: > work. The manpage says that it can be started "over the .forward file" or Here's my procmailed .forward: "|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #sharding" HTH Sean -- "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 00:52:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA22054 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:52:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA22043 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:52:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04402 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:52:34 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:52:33 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org here is my .forward file: [salvo@reaper] ~$ cat .forward | /usr/local/bin/procmail That works perfectly :) On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Sean Harding wrote: |Here's my procmailed .forward: | |"|IFS=' ' && exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f- || exit 75 #sharding" ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 01:06:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23496 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (steven@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA23421 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:05:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA16891 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:02:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:02:42 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Salvatore Greco wrote: : here is my .forward file: : : [salvo@reaper] ~$ cat .forward : | /usr/local/bin/procmail : : : That works perfectly :) Ok, if this mail I am sending now gets out in my freebsd folder it worked! We'll see. Thanks! -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 01:16:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA24452 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:16:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA24443 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:16:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04938 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:16:27 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:16:27 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Steven Rutter wrote: |Ok, if this mail I am sending now gets out in my freebsd folder it worked! |We'll see. Thanks! Have you set up ypur .procmailrc file ? If there is nothing in there then its not going to work - let me know if you need any help or examples! --salvo ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 01:32:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25896 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:32:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from che.softaid.net (steven@che.softaid.net [208.224.98.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA25890 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:32:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Received: from localhost (steven@localhost) by che.softaid.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA17041 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:29:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from steven@che.softaid.net) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:29:23 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Rutter To: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It worked! I know how to set up the procmailrc files, I just didn't know how to tell procmail I wanted it it sort my mail. Under linux it was running system-wide by default and I only had to set up my procmailrc file. Thanks for the .forward info though. -Steven On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Salvatore Greco wrote: : Hi : : On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Steven Rutter wrote: : : |Ok, if this mail I am sending now gets out in my freebsd folder it worked! : |We'll see. Thanks! : : Have you set up ypur .procmailrc file ? If there is nothing in there then its : not going to work - let me know if you need any help or examples! : : --salvo : : ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message : -Steven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 01:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27804 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:48:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27799 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA17484; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:48:39 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980319204834.20941@welearn.com.au> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:48:35 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: newbies list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry we don't have a better description of what this list is for. I've been trying to use my .sig to find the file but that's another story... Anyway, this is basically a chat-only list for newbies only. If someone feels like they really can't get their problem sorted out enough to post effectively to freebsd-questions, then maybe we can help clarify the question a little before it is posted and answered on freebsd-questions. Please don't ask technical questions here that you could ask on freebsd-questions. Please don't answer technical quesitons here. If you can answer a question, great, but do so in freebsd-questions. If you want to know which window manager other newbies have found easy, ask for opinions. But when you can't make it work, go to freebsd-questions. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 02:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA02888 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:34:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reaper.org (salvo@reaper.org [196.7.140.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA02859 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:34:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from salvo@reaper.org) Received: from localhost (salvo@localhost) by reaper.org (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06617 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:33:49 +0200 (SAT) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:33:49 +0200 (SAT) From: Salvatore Greco cc: freebsd-newbies Subject: Re: procmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Steven Rutter wrote: |It worked! I know how to set up the procmailrc files, I just didn't know |how to tell procmail I wanted it it sort my mail. Under linux it was |running system-wide by default and I only had to set up my procmailrc |file. Thanks for the .forward info though. Cool, no problemo - please ask if you have any other questions :) I can't promise to know it all - but I have been running FreeBSD for a year and a half already :) --salvo ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 06:33:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26281 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:33:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sargasso.cps.msu.edu (sargasso.cps.msu.edu [35.9.20.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26276 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:33:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fleislaw@cps.msu.edu) Received: from pacific.cps.msu.edu (pacific.cps.msu.edu [35.9.20.19]) by sargasso.cps.msu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17990 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:32:58 -0500 (EST) From: Lawrence Benjamin Fleis Received: (from fleislaw@localhost) by pacific.cps.msu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA23490 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:32:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:32:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803191432.JAA23490@pacific.cps.msu.edu> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 408e802c subscribe freebsd-newbies fleislaw@cps.msu.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 06:33:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26463 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:33:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bigbrother (bigbrother.rstcorp.com [206.29.49.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA26445; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:33:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vshah@rstcorp.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bigbrother (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA28158; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:22:13 -0500 Received: from fault.rstcorp.com(206.29.49.18) by bigbrother.rstcorp.com via smap (V2.0) id xma028152; Thu, 19 Mar 98 10:21:14 -0500 Received: (from vshah@localhost) by rstcorp.com (8.8.1/8.8.1) id JAA04315; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:25:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:25:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803191425.JAA04315@rstcorp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Viren R. Shah" To: Steven Rutter Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: procmail (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.40 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: "Viren R. Shah" X-Face: )~y+U*K:yzjz{q<5lzpI_SVef'U.])9g[C9`1N@]u3,MHY7f*l7C)[_NjM4y4K8$uIUh|\u (K&&HS6,M!61&GMTk'mqmB/Qg]]X}"?TzsFl]"2v!bl8']dma.:^IY^a[lbOI>U:b<~FyK3q-p{HmZ mn~g.`~BE!5{2D:}Yi+\_KkWe?XaHj9$ko1k8iKLYv5*_2c8"G=?Up[}hn+7RNM(bzBZ_wWk6!Pf&B ?3Tcm7M7B~W%K/I0aX3]*=jP?aM]H6HBPT`oLk+0n^_;N\2\%|Rhy;p}34Q.jEsM\qtnxcm;ag%Nq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "Steven" == Steven Rutter writes: >> As the mail from this list mounts I feel the need to use procmail. :*) I >> created my ~/.procmailrc file correctly [I think] but it does not seem to >> work. The manpage says that it can be started "over the .forward file" or >> the sysadmin can set it up. It does not explain how to do either of those >> however. I would prefer to set it up system-wide. Does anyone know how to >> do this? Assume procmail is in /usr/local/bin My setup is below. The .forward file tells the local mail delivery agent to use procmail. Procmail will look for a file called ~/.procmailrc My .procmailrc first does some spam checking, and then tells procmail to read the file ~/.procmail/rc.maillists. It also logs stuff into ~/.procmail/pmlog. The file rc.maillists has rules for separating out the messages from different mailling lists into folders in ~/Mailfiles/LISTS/XXX.mail You should be able to cut-n-paste stuff from the files included and get the beginnings of a simple procmail filter. [vshah@hal] ~> cat ~/.forward "| IFS=' ';exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #vshah" --------------------------------- [vshah@hal] ~> cat ~/.procmailrc #Set on when debugging VERBOSE=off #Replace `mail' with your mail directory (Pine uses mail, Elm uses Mail) MAILDIR=$HOME/Mailfiles #Directory for storing procmail log and rc files PMDIR=$HOME/.procmail JFDIR=$PMDIR/junkfilter-export LOGFILE=$PMDIR/pmlog #Use the Junk filter INCLUDERC=$JFDIR/rc.junk :0 : * SPAMMER ?? . | formail -i "X-Fkey: junk" -i "X-Spammer: $SPAMMER" >> junkmail #catch the mailing list stuff INCLUDERC=$PMDIR/rc.maillists --------------------------------- [vshah@hal] ~> cat ~/.procmail/rc.maillists SHELL=/bin/sh SENDMAIL=/usr/lib/sendmail PATH=${PATH}:/usr/local/bin:/home/users/toconnor/bin :0 Wh: msgid.lock | formail -D 32768 msgid.cache :0 * ^Sender:.*owner.*@.*freebsd.org$ { :0: * ^Sender:.*cvs LISTS/freebsd-cvs.mail :0: * ^Sender:.*sparc LISTS/freebsd-sparc.mail :0: * ^Sender:.*smp LISTS/freebsd-smp.mail :0: * ^Sender:.*questions LISTS/freebsd-questions.mail :0 : *^Sender:.*hackers LISTS/freebsd-hackers.mail :0 : *^Sender:.*hardware LISTS/freebsd-hardware.mail :0 : *^Sender:.*ports LISTS/freebsd-ports.mail :0 : *^Sender:.*stable LISTS/freebsd-stable.mail :0 : *^Sender:.*current LISTS/freebsd-current.mail } :0 : *^From.*owner-fvwm LISTS/fvwm.mail :0 : *^From.*bujold LISTS/dendarii.mail --------------------------------- Hope this helps Viren -- Viren R. Shah viren@rstcorp.com Everyone was born right-handed. Only the greatest overcome it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 07:58:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10832 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:58:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sonic.profane.org (root@sonic.profane.org [207.93.109.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA10772 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:58:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bwhalen@netcom.com) Received: from loudness.profane.org (loudness.profane.org [207.93.109.18]) by sonic.profane.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA25510 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:35:49 -0800 Message-ID: <008a01bd534f$dc2cfea0$126d5dcf@loudness.profane.org> From: "Brian W." To: "Freebsd Newbies List" Subject: bsd install Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:58:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of annoyed with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which files/directories I need to download to complete the install. Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 08:18:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15315 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:18:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amethyst.xch.net ([194.6.200.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA15192 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:17:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james@xch.net) Received: from msx.xch.net by amethyst.xch.net with ESMTP id QAA26328; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:18:19 GMT Received: by msx.xch.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:18:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4B5AD1A1DC97D1118E720060976D80F40DA9@msx.xch.net> From: james huckle To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: FW: bsd install Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:18:16 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Why not just download the bootdisk image and writer and do it online via ftp. It's simpler than it seems. James > ---------- > From: Brian W.[SMTP:bwhalen@netcom.com] > Sent: 19 March 1998 16:11 > To: Freebsd Newbies List > Subject: bsd install > > Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of > annoyed > with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which > files/directories I need to download to complete the install. > > > Brian > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 08:21:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15903 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:21:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from screamer.cftnet.com (screamer.cftnet.com [163.125.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15847 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:20:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sylvar@freenet5.afn.org) Received: from sylvar (ppp200-60.cftnet.com [163.125.200.60]) by screamer.cftnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA07713 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:20:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803191620.LAA07713@screamer.cftnet.com> From: "Ben Ostrowsky" Organization: Alachua Free-Net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:18:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Get the ball rolling... References: <3.0.5.32.19980319012552.007b6380@mail.aei.ca> In-reply-to: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > You are crazy! I tried to install via ppp, went to sleep and woke up to > find my isp disconnected me in something like the 8th hour!! So I forked > over the $54 for the book+cd set from cdrom.com. It arrived within a > couple of days. :*) Ah yes, the book-and-CD bundle that became available about ONE WEEK after I bought the CDs. Grumble grumble grumble! Ben -- What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 08:21:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA15905 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:21:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from screamer.cftnet.com (screamer.cftnet.com [163.125.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15853 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sylvar@freenet5.afn.org) Received: from sylvar (ppp200-60.cftnet.com [163.125.200.60]) by screamer.cftnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA07719 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:20:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803191620.LAA07719@screamer.cftnet.com> From: "Ben Ostrowsky" Organization: Alachua Free-Net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:18:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Freebsd Installtion (was Re: Hi) References: <19980319173348.15569@welearn.com.au> In-reply-to: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'll look into it... maybe I can convice the library that they > NEED it... *grin* Speaking as a protolibrarian (two months before I get my degree), many public libraries will be happy to order a book because you requested it. Those who can't afford it will find someone who can and they'll borrow it for you. (Yay, interlibrary loan!) ObFreeBSD: I'm running 2.2.5 on a professor's machine that dual-boots to Win95 and BSD. I gave my friends accounts, gave my clueful friends root access, and said "Have fun -- if you want a utility, install it for yourself." Like a cyber-barn-raising, I guess. I'm about halfway through Frisch's "Essential System Administration" and loving it (am I perverse or what?). Ben -- What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 08:31:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA17308 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17243 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:30:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA18454; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:29:00 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320032857.24310@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:28:57 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Brian W." Cc: Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: bsd install References: <008a01bd534f$dc2cfea0$126d5dcf@loudness.profane.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <008a01bd534f$dc2cfea0$126d5dcf@loudness.profane.org>; from Brian W. on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 07:58:26AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 07:58:26AM -0800, Brian W. wrote: > Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of annoyed > with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which > files/directories I need to download to complete the install. Have a look at http://www.lemis.com/handbook/what-to-download.html That sets it all out rather nicely. If you get stuck and need real help, write to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with your questions. If you just want to chat about it with a bunch of people who are new too, come back and talk to us :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 11:50:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24276 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24246 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newshirt@best.com) Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com [206.184.139.138]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id LAA21872; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:46:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:46:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Cappellini X-Sender: newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com To: "Brian W." cc: Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: bsd install In-Reply-To: <008a01bd534f$dc2cfea0$126d5dcf@loudness.profane.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian W. wrote: > Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of annoyed > with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which > files/directories I need to download to complete the install. That's odd. I was considering Red Hat Linux, before I decided on BSD. The Linux people were saying RH Linux has a real easy install utility, and the BSD people were saying just the opposite. Now I'm stuck in Lehey's book on BSD, when it comes to partitioning your drive for dual OS's. So I haven't actually got to the installing BSD yet :) > Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 11:55:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25354 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from crism.ne.mediaone.net (crism.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.30.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25300 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:55:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crism@crism.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from crism.ne.mediaone.net (localhost.ne.mediaone.net [127.0.0.1]) by crism.ne.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08249 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:51:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from crism@crism.ne.mediaone.net) Message-Id: <199803191951.OAA08249@crism.ne.mediaone.net> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freebsd Installtion (was Re: Hi) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:58:56 PST." Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:51:43 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Maden" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My installation was fun. I had Win95 because I needed it for the cable modem installation (they won't install if you're running anything else, and they won't let you install it yourself). After it was installed, I downloaded the boot disk image and tried a network install. I though, "This will be really cool." Well, it would have. It turns out that cable modems don't enable the connection unless a DHCP request has been made, so just configuring my network interface with the currently assigned IP address didn't work. I ended up having to borrow the CD from a friend, and it kept failing partway through. (I don't know if it was bad sectors on the HD or a spotty CD-ROM drive.) But it works now, and I'm very happy. - -crism - -- A Microsoft-free household. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: For my public key, finger crism@crism.ne.mediaone.net. iQB1AwUBNRF3SnSaAdkmYoAJAQGBWAL/TVgV1H/0EuIFji2/vOUVPhRQG7KbmwT3 bJVdtJKMb7AbHmeoSQa5XnumVGddd8So0/8YcKuZrGnCiqnjAtU9YB1WbsXLrMwl DZ8Cl/37PtjmxYcfy5kiYBURP3D4F47H =6iEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 11:56:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25650 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:56:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.com (brandon@engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25441 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:55:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.com) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02095; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Lockhart To: Tony Cappellini cc: "Brian W." , Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: bsd install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To install FreeBSD, I found it easy to look at the FreeBSD Handbook found on www.freebsd.org, then I followed the directions, and it was easy as pie. I personally feel that the Linux install for Slackware was easyier, but I guess that is because it took me about 10 installs before Linux worked properly. But with FreeBSD, one try was all it needed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 11:58:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26065 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25306 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:55:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newshirt@best.com) Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com [206.184.139.138]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id LAA27756; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:51:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:51:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tony Cappellini X-Sender: newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com To: Ben Ostrowsky cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Get the ball rolling... In-Reply-To: <199803191620.LAA07713@screamer.cftnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > > You are crazy! I tried to install via ppp, went to sleep and woke up to > > find my isp disconnected me in something like the 8th hour!! So I forked > > over the $54 for the book+cd set from cdrom.com. It arrived within a > > couple of days. :*) > > Ah yes, the book-and-CD bundle that became available about ONE WEEK after I > bought the CDs. Grumble grumble grumble! > they sell the the 4 CD set for $39.95, and the Book & CD bundle for $49.95. So in essence, that huge book only costs $10. You might want to look around and see if you can getthe book without the CD's. Try asking Walnut Creek. Tony > Ben > > -- > What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 12:04:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27463 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27417 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id G558727C; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:05:01 -0800 Message-ID: <012101bd5371$f0b36360$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Tony Cappellini" , "Brian W." Cc: "Freebsd Newbies List" Subject: Re: bsd install Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:02:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian, I am dual-booting with NT and it works fine. When you follow the steps to create a boot/install disk and follow through the menu selections for an install, it showed me a list of my HD partitions and free space and asked me where I wanted it to go. It even recommends default partition sizes and asks you if you want to use the boot manager. If you are using NT, the on-line handbook explains how you can use the NT loader for dual booting. David _____________________________________________________ David Shanes 7535 Metropolitan Drive dshanes@personalogic.com San Diego, CA 92108 Database Developer (619) 220-5800 x228 PersonaLogic, Inc. (619) 220-5899 (fax) http://www.PersonaLogic.com -----Original Message----- From: Tony Cappellini To: Brian W. Cc: Freebsd Newbies List Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:51 AM Subject: Re: bsd install > > >On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian W. wrote: > >> Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of annoyed >> with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which >> files/directories I need to download to complete the install. > >That's odd. I was considering Red Hat Linux, before I decided on BSD. >The Linux people were saying RH Linux has a real easy install utility, and >the BSD people were saying just the opposite. > >Now I'm stuck in Lehey's book on BSD, when it comes to partitioning your >drive for dual OS's. So I haven't actually got to the installing BSD yet >:) > > > >Tony > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 12:10:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28867 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from corphq1.harding.com ([144.195.64.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28841 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:10:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lfloyd@harding.com) From: lfloyd@harding.com Received: by corphq1.harding.com with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 19 Mar 98 12:09:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:59:31 -0800 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Reply-To: Subject: Re: bsd install X-Incognito-SN: 1021 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.130 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had some difficulties installing version 2.2.5 in that the floppy boot kernel wouldn't recognize my ATAPI CD-ROM (I was trying to install from the CDs). I ended up installing from a DOS partition, which worked fine. One thing to note, if you do a minimal install to get things up and running, planning to go back and install a more robust package, be warned that your original setup will be wiped out! I tried this to save time/space installing from DOS. I think I installed a more or less minimal package. After I got things running, I found that there were no man pages. Ack! So I did a /stand/sysinstall to install the package that included man pages, etc. This completely wiped out my original configuration, such as users, etc. So, in short, the only problem I had was getting the installation to recognize my ATAPI CD-ROM. - Larry ------------- Original Text From: "Brandon Lockhart" , on 3/19/98 11:49 AM: To: SMTP@CorpHQ@Harding["Tony Cappellini" ] Cc: SMTP@CorpHQ@Harding["Brian W." ], SMTP@CorpHQ@Harding["Freebsd Newbies List" ] To install FreeBSD, I found it easy to look at the FreeBSD Handbook found on www.freebsd.org, then I followed the directions, and it was easy as pie. I personally feel that the Linux install for Slackware was easyier, but I guess that is because it took me about 10 installs before Linux worked properly. But with FreeBSD, one try was all it needed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message a To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 12:19:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29855 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Hydro.CAM.ORG (Hydro.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29844 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:19:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhl@CAM.ORG) Received: from pov (usrppp31.op-plus.net [207.253.63.166]) by Hydro.CAM.ORG (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id PAA06475 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:19:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319151257.00a0d170@pop.hip.cam.org> X-Sender: rhl@pop.hip.cam.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:12:57 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: renald loignon Subject: digest version of this list? In-Reply-To: References: <008a01bd534f$dc2cfea0$126d5dcf@loudness.profane.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The subject says it all. At the present time, I really cannot afford to manage THAT many individual messages per day in my "IN" mailbox. Thanks in advance, renald To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 12:20:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA00337 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from sparky.niwa.cri.nz (sparky.kyle.cri.nz [161.65.68.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29672 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from a.robertson@niwa.cri.nz) Received: from niwa.cri.nz (andy.kyle.cri.nz [161.65.68.140]) by sparky.niwa.cri.nz (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09146 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:18:45 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <35117D82.DD03FF7A@niwa.cri.nz> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:18:10 +1300 From: Andrew Robertson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth e1dc51cc subscribe freebsd-newbies a.robertson@niwa.cri.nz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 12:29:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01975 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01951; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803192029.MAA01951@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: digest version of this list? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980319151257.00a0d170@pop.hip.cam.org> from renald loignon at "Mar 19, 98 03:12:57 pm" To: rhl@CAM.ORG (renald loignon) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org renald loignon wrote: > The subject says it all. > > At the present time, I really cannot afford to manage THAT > many individual messages per day in my "IN" mailbox. no there is not a digest version available at this time. currently there are no plans for a digest. you can ftp each week's messages (collected into a single file) from ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/mailing-lists starting sunday. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 13:11:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08531 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:11:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from clarknet.clark.net (root@clarknet.clark.net [207.97.14.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08412 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ldv@ibcweb.com) Received: from ibcweb.com (router2.ibcweb.com [199.245.26.2]) by clarknet.clark.net (8.8.7/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA00144; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.ibcweb.com by ibcweb.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA06010; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:10:48 -0500 Received: by mercury.ibcweb.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA13266; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:10:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:10:55 -0500 (EST) From: Dmitri Lukyanov X-Sender: ldv@mercury.ibcmail.com To: lfloyd@harding.com cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 lfloyd@harding.com wrote: > After I got things running, I found that there were no man pages. Ack! So > I did a /stand/sysinstall to install the package that included man pages, > etc. This completely wiped out my original configuration, such as users, > etc. I don't think you're right. Probably you used "Begin a ... installation (for ...)" in the /stand/sysinstall menu. This way you will reset your configuration to defaults. You should use "Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD" -> "Install additional distribution sets" in the /stand/sysinstall menu instead. Dmitri. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 13:29:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA10235 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:29:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10213 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterg@mildewh.u-net.com) Received: from mildewh.u-net.com [194.119.189.62] by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yFmjI-0003HQ-00; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:20:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3511FE64.980A6BAA@mildewh.u-net.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:28:04 -0800 From: Peter Garner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Cappellini CC: "Brian W." , Freebsd Newbies List Subject: Re: bsd install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I started out with Caldera, which was my "first " Linux, and it took 6 or 7 tries before I had it "just right". Then I tried RH Linux, and for me at least it all went horribly wrong. There were so many subtle differences between that and Caldera - FreeBSD was fun though. Very straightforward. Tony Cappellini wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian W. wrote: > > > Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while now. I'm kind of annoyed > > with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone tell me which > > files/directories I need to download to complete the install. > > That's odd. I was considering Red Hat Linux, before I decided on BSD. > The Linux people were saying RH Linux has a real easy install utility, and > the BSD people were saying just the opposite. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 14:01:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13516 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:01:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from corphq1.harding.com ([144.195.64.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13511 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lfloyd@harding.com) From: lfloyd@harding.com Received: by corphq1.harding.com with VINES-ISMTP; Thu, 19 Mar 98 14:00:42 -0800 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:59:18 -0800 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Reply-To: Subject: Re: bsd install X-Incognito-SN: 1021 X-Incognito-Version: 4.10.130 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You're probably right! It didn't make sense to me that I'd have to start over to add distribution sets. Thanks! ------------- Original Text From: "Dmitri Lukyanov" , on 3/19/98 1:10 PM: To: LFloyd@Novato_Project@Harding Cc: SMTP@CorpHQ@Harding[] On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 lfloyd@harding.com wrote: > After I got things running, I found that there were no man pages. Ack! So > I did a /stand/sysinstall to install the package that included man pages, > etc. This completely wiped out my original configuration, such as users, > etc. I don't think you're right. Probably you used "Begin a ... installation (for ...)" in the /stand/sysinstall menu. This way you will reset your configuration to defaults. You should use "Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD" -> "Install additional distribution sets" in the /stand/sysinstall menu instead. Dmitri. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 15:05:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA22746 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA22713 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:04:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id G5587JDL; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:05:38 -0800 Message-ID: <017d01bd538b$2ae98af0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Trefney, Mark" Cc: Subject: Re: bsd install Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:03:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, it will. Refer to http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ101.html#101 for information. David -----Original Message----- From: Trefney, Mark To: David Shanes Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 1:49 PM Subject: RE: bsd install >Will the NT OS Loader (boot manager) properly boot into FreeBSD? > >____ >| From: David Shanes >| To: Tony Cappellini;Brian W. >| Cc: Freebsd Newbies List >| Sent: March 19, 1998 02:02 PM >| Subject: Re: bsd install >| >| >| Brian, >| I am dual-booting with NT and it works fine. When >| you follow the steps >| to create a boot/install disk and follow through the >| menu selections for an >| install, it showed me a list of my HD partitions and >| free space and asked me >| where I wanted it to go. It even recommends default >| partition sizes and asks >| you if you want to use the boot manager. >| If you are using NT, the on-line handbook explains >| how you can use the >| NT loader for dual booting. >| >| David >| >| _____________________________________________________ >| David Shanes 7535 >| Metropolitan Drive >| dshanes@personalogic.com San Diego, CA 92108 >| Database Developer (619) >| 220-5800 x228 >| PersonaLogic, Inc. (619) >| 220-5899 (fax) >| http://www.PersonaLogic.com >| >| -----Original Message----- >| From: Tony Cappellini >| To: Brian W. >| Cc: Freebsd Newbies List >| Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 11:51 AM >| Subject: Re: bsd install >| >| >| > >| > >| >On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian W. wrote: >| > >| >> Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while >| now. I'm kind of >| annoyed >| >> with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone >| tell me which >| >> files/directories I need to download to complete >| the install. >| > >| >That's odd. I was considering Red Hat Linux, before I >| decided on BSD. >| >The Linux people were saying RH Linux has a real easy >| install utility, and >| >the BSD people were saying just the opposite. >| > >| >Now I'm stuck in Lehey's book on BSD, when it comes >| to partitioning your >| >drive for dual OS's. So I haven't actually got to the >| installing BSD yet >| >:) > >| > >| > >| >Tony >| > >| > >| >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >| >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the >| message >| >| >| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >| with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the >| message >| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 16:51:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA13359 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:51:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13197 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3g-37.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.86]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA05029 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:33 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:54 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Joey Garcia Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) In-Reply-To: <017d01bd538b$2ae98af0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What's this book on BSD? Lehey? is that the author? I've been looking around for BSD books, I'm currently running Linux and I'm deciding on making the switch to FreeBSD, but I wanted some actual printed documentation such as books or magazines. Too bad there isn't a FreeBSD Journal (For those of you that don't know there is a monthly printed magazine called Linux Journal which is pretty good and pretty helpful for beginners and advanced users). >>| >On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Brian W. wrote: >>| > >>| >> Ive been wanting to try freebsd for a little while >>| now. I'm kind of >>| annoyed >>| >> with some of the Linux distributions. Can someone >>| tell me which >>| >> files/directories I need to download to complete >>| the install. >>| > >>| >That's odd. I was considering Red Hat Linux, before I >>| decided on BSD. >>| >The Linux people were saying RH Linux has a real easy >>| install utility, and >>| >the BSD people were saying just the opposite. >>| > >>| >Now I'm stuck in Lehey's book on BSD, when it comes >>| to partitioning your >>| >drive for dual OS's. So I haven't actually got to the >>| installing BSD yet >>| >:) > >>| > >>| > >>| >Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 17:00:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14581 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:00:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14533 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19890; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:00:17 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320120014.51417@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:00:14 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) References: <017d01bd538b$2ae98af0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net>; from Joey Garcia on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 04:48:54PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 04:48:54PM -0800, Joey Garcia wrote: > > What's this book on BSD? Lehey? is that the author? I've been looking > around for BSD books, I'm currently running Linux and I'm deciding on > making the switch to FreeBSD, but I wanted some actual printed > documentation such as books or magazines. Too bad there isn't a FreeBSD > Journal (For those of you that don't know there is a monthly printed > magazine called Linux Journal which is pretty good and pretty helpful for > beginners and advanced users). It's called "The Complete FreeBSD", second edition, by Greg Lehey. Details are at http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/bsdbook2.htm -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 17:25:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18213 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:25:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bursa01.cuneydi.com (p75.cuneydi.com [206.109.102.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18007 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:23:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cuneyt@cuneydi.com) Received: from laptop ([206.109.102.140]) by bursa01.cuneydi.com (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA91 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:21:27 -0600 Message-ID: <005001bd539e$b8182450$8c666dce@laptop.cuneydi.com> From: cuneyt@cuneydi.com (Cuneyt Cuneydi) To: Subject: auth 5dfcde3d subscribe freebsd-newbies cuneyt@cuneydi.com Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:22:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 5dfcde3d subscribe freebsd-newbies cuneyt@cuneydi.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 18:14:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26736 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:14:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.hcol.net (root@ns.hcol.net [205.152.99.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26706 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from val@hcol.net) Received: from ns.hcol.net (val@smtp.hcol.net [205.152.99.19]) by ns.hcol.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20939 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:14:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:14:37 -0600 (CST) From: Val To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: partition spanning multiple drives In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having pretty good luck installing freebsd over the net through the ftp process, but there is one question thoug that I hope someone will be able to answer. I had my mail partition overfill (well, almost -- 99%) and I am thinking about adding another drive (or drives) in to put in the same partition. (/mail). So the question is: do I have to enter the /sys/standinstall to do this or do I have to use the commands of the freebsd manually. If I do it, will the current information on the /mail partition be retained or do I need to back it up? I guess it's not really a partition, but a volume that I am talking about (at least novell would call it a volume) but this is my first unix box so far. TIA Val To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 18:23:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29002 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA28897 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20095; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:22:16 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:22:12 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Val Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: partition spanning multiple drives References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Val on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 08:14:37PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 08:14:37PM -0600, Val wrote: > I am having pretty good luck installing freebsd over the net through the > ftp process, but there is one question thoug that I hope someone will be > able to answer. > I had my mail partition overfill (well, almost -- 99%) and I am thinking > about adding another drive (or drives) in to put in the same partition. > (/mail). > So the question is: > do I have to enter the /sys/standinstall to do this or do I have to use > the commands of the freebsd manually. If I do it, will the current > information on the /mail partition be retained or do I need to back it up? > I guess it's not really a partition, but a volume that I am talking about > (at least novell would call it a volume) but this is my first unix box so > far. Hi Val. It's nice to see you but we don't answer support questions here. Send it to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG and you'll get some help. Don't forget to come back here when you want to chat! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 19:50:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA12258 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:50:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from marine.sonic.net (marine.sonic.net [208.201.224.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12198 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:50:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lfloyd@sonic.net) Received: (qmail 26579 invoked from network); 20 Mar 1998 03:52:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sub.sonic.net) (208.201.224.8) by marine.sonic.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 1998 03:52:12 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (d21.pm19.sonic.net [208.201.229.21]) by sub.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07653 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:50:05 -0800 X-envelope-info: Message-ID: <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:51:55 -0800 From: "L. Floyd" Reply-To: lfloyd@sonic.net Organization: MonkeyPuzzle Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: partition spanning multiple drives References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got Val's post through the freebsd-newbies listserv group... so isn't this the correct group to post this question to? - Larry Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 08:14:37PM -0600, Val wrote: > > I am having pretty good luck installing freebsd over the net through the > > ftp process, but there is one question thoug that I hope someone will be > > able to answer. > > I had my mail partition overfill (well, almost -- 99%) and I am thinking > > about adding another drive (or drives) in to put in the same partition. > > (/mail). > > So the question is: > > do I have to enter the /sys/standinstall to do this or do I have to use > > the commands of the freebsd manually. If I do it, will the current > > information on the /mail partition be retained or do I need to back it up? > > I guess it's not really a partition, but a volume that I am talking about > > (at least novell would call it a volume) but this is my first unix box so > > far. > > Hi Val. It's nice to see you but we don't answer support questions here. > Send it to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG and you'll get some help. > Don't forget to come back here when you want to chat! :-) > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 20:14:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA16229 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:14:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA16222 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from ale (pm3h-15.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.112]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19036 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:12:31 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319201255.00694e44@pacificnet.net> X-Sender: bear@pacificnet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:12:55 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Joey Garcia Subject: FreeBSD and Multi Processors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do any of you know if FreeBSD 2.2.5 supports multiprocessing? I'm possibly gonna be getting a dual Pentium pro machine and I want to know if I can run FreeBSD 2.2.5 on it. TIA Joey Bear Garcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 20:22:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17162 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17132 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jay_moseley@ibm.net) Received: from slip166-72-174-11.tx.us.ibm.net (slip166-72-174-11.tx.us.ibm.net [166.72.174.11]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA55282 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:22:10 GMT Message-Id: <199803200422.EAA55282@out4.ibm.net> From: "Jay Moseley" To: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 22:22:01 -0600 Reply-To: "Jay Moseley" X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a for OS/2 X-Tag: ** TagIt/2 v2.0 ** by Robert Spangler [#012] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:54 -0800, Joey Garcia wrote: > >What's this book on BSD? Lehey? is that the author? I've been looking >around for BSD books, I'm currently running Linux and I'm deciding on >making the switch to FreeBSD, but I wanted some actual printed >documentation such as books or magazines. Too bad there isn't a FreeBSD >Journal (For those of you that don't know there is a monthly printed >magazine called Linux Journal which is pretty good and pretty helpful for >beginners and advanced users). Joey, Lehey's book is great and worth the price of buying the CD/Book package IMO, but I would also recommend 'UNIX for the Impatient' (2nd edition) by Paul W. Abrahams and Bruce R. Larson, ISBN 0201823764. Yes, it was a bit pricey at approx $30, but is well worth the price. It is more of a reference book than a 'read start to finish' kind of book. But, it explains the differences in commands between the different versions of UNIX and when there is a major difference, it is going to be great to know just which options work on BSD. Regards, Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 20:23:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17464 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:23:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from silk.net (music.silk.net [206.12.206.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17449 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gjukema@silk.net) Received: from silk.net (kel134.silk.net [204.244.76.134]) by silk.net (8.8.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id UAA27952; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:22:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3511EECD.AD56472@silk.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:21:33 -0800 From: Geoff Jukema X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Garcia CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Multi Processors References: <3.0.1.32.19980319201255.00694e44@pacificnet.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BD2B208B6091103A4A335780" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------BD2B208B6091103A4A335780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joey Garcia wrote: > Do any of you know if FreeBSD 2.2.5 supports multiprocessing? I'm possibly > gonna be getting a dual Pentium pro machine and I want to know if I can run > FreeBSD 2.2.5 on it. TIA > > Joey Bear Garcia > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message I haven't the need for a multiprocessor FreeBSD and don't know much about it, but I found this at the FreeBSD site, so I thought it might answer your question: 28-Apr-97 The 3.0-current src tree now contains support for building Symmetric MultiProcessor kernels. For details go to the SMP page. Geoff. --------------BD2B208B6091103A4A335780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Joey Garcia wrote:

Do any of you know if FreeBSD 2.2.5 supports multiprocessing?  I'm possibly
gonna be getting a dual Pentium pro machine and I want to know if I can run
FreeBSD 2.2.5 on it.  TIA

Joey Bear Garcia

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I haven't the need for a multiprocessor FreeBSD and don't know much about it, but I found this at the FreeBSD site, so I thought it might answer your question:

  28-Apr-97 The 3.0-current src tree now contains support for building Symmetric
     MultiProcessor kernels. For details go to the SMP page.

Geoff. --------------BD2B208B6091103A4A335780-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 20:41:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19790 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:41:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hotmail.com (f79.hotmail.com [207.82.250.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA19739 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_newbies@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 460 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 1998 04:41:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19980320044100.458.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.47.148.34 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:40:59 PST X-Originating-IP: [206.47.148.34] From: "Randy Rostie" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: digest version of this list? Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:40:59 PST Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org do what I did, get a web based eail account just for each listserv, so you don't have to download the messages locally Randy >From owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Thu Mar 19 13:42:23 1998 >Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) > by smyrno.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id OAA25648; > Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:30:05 -0600 (CST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02068; > Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:59 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:47 -0800 >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01975 > for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:46 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) >Received: (from jmb@localhost) > by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA01951; > Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from jmb) >From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" >Message-Id: <199803192029.MAA01951@hub.freebsd.org> >Subject: Re: digest version of this list? >In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980319151257.00a0d170@pop.hip.cam.org> from renald loignon at "Mar 19, 98 03:12:57 pm" >To: rhl@CAM.ORG (renald loignon) >Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST) >Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >renald loignon wrote: >> The subject says it all. >> >> At the present time, I really cannot afford to manage THAT >> many individual messages per day in my "IN" mailbox. > > no there is not a digest version available at this time. > currently there are no plans for a digest. > you can ftp each week's messages (collected into a single > file) from ftp.freebsd.org:/pub/FreeBSD/mailing-lists > starting sunday. >jmb > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 20:49:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20703 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:49:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA20678 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:49:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20540; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:49:11 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320154907.30953@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:49:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: lfloyd@sonic.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net>; from L. Floyd on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 07:51:55PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 07:51:55PM -0800, L. Floyd wrote: > I got Val's post through the freebsd-newbies listserv group... so isn't > this the correct group to post this question to? All questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. This is more of a chat group, a place where newbies can relax and be with other newbies, without feeling surrounded by experts focusing on our imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're a bit freer to make the mistakes we need to make in order to learn, without getting in anyone else's way. The posts to the lists are not moderated, so they go straight through whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. I get to make the biggest ones :-) It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising it's primarily a chat group. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions. Also there's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake, so we'll always be gentle. Normally when you get information about a list, and certainly when join a list, you're given specific instructions as to what it's for and what's allowable etc. That's where I've fallen down, and I'm sorry that some people might be getting the wrong impression. I'm trying to get the full information posted right now, but it'll take time to trickle through. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:17:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA23641 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.89]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:20:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:15:13 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net> <19980320154907.30953@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Maybe you should change the name of the list to "freebsd-chat". The name "freebsd-newbies" gives me to understand that I, as beginner, could ask questions and they might be answered by a more seasoned veteran. As you can see, the demand is here. I used to be a subscriber to "frebsd-questions" and received an average of 120 messages per day, but 95% are useless to me, because I didn't understand what the talk was about. I don't know what questions are not allowed in freebsd-questions, but noticed that newbies are used for laughing stock on this list. As for me, I don't run FreeBSD yet. But this could be a great mailing list to evaluate the product and ask stupid questions without being laughed at. One last remark. I noticed that every FreeBSD mailing list has an attitude proplem. I'm not surprised that people buy Windowze and point and click away. Regards, Ralf Black Sue Blake wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 07:51:55PM -0800, L. Floyd wrote: > > I got Val's post through the freebsd-newbies listserv group... so isn't > > this the correct group to post this question to? > > All questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as > usual. This is more of a chat group, a place where newbies can relax and be > with other newbies, without feeling surrounded by experts focusing on our > imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on > freebsd-questions. We're a bit freer to make the mistakes we need to make in > order to learn, without getting in anyone else's way. > > The posts to the lists are not moderated, so they go straight through > whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while > because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. I get to make the > biggest ones :-) > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing > list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. > The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is > to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these > problems out privately. > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not > realising it's primarily a chat group. If someone answers those questions > the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > redirect their question to freebsd-questions. Also there's nothing > wrong with the occasional mistake, so we'll always be gentle. > > Normally when you get information about a list, and certainly when join a > list, you're given specific instructions as to what it's for and what's > allowable etc. That's where I've fallen down, and I'm sorry that some people > might be getting the wrong impression. I'm trying to get the full > information posted right now, but it'll take time to trickle through. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:19:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23967 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:19:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA23954; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:19:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803200519.VAA23954@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Mail In-Reply-To: from Salvatore Greco at "Mar 19, 98 09:31:31 am" To: salvo@reaper.org (Salvatore Greco) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:19:00 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org the lists are in the cc: line rather than the from: so that people can easily take side issues off-line, so that mail between the main protaganists of a issue flows faster, and because all the lists are this way ;) jmb Salvatore Greco wrote: > Can the list owner please put the reply-to fields in the majordomo list.conf > file so that when we reply, it uses the reply-to field - or asks us if we want > to (well, I use pine :) > > It makes life easier :) > > > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Ralf Black wrote: > > |Thanks for all the answers. > | > |Oh, one more thing. Please don't send Cc: when you answer. I get > |everything twice, from the mailing list and through my e-mail address. > | > |Thanks, > |Ralf > | > |To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > |with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > | > > > ---- salvo@reaper.org | http://salvo.reaper.org | finger salvo@reaper.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25753 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25654; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:31:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803200531.VAA25654@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net> from Ralf Black at "Mar 19, 98 11:15:13 pm" To: ralf@acadiacom.net Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:31:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralf Black wrote: > Maybe you should change the name of the list to "freebsd-chat". > there already is a freebsd-chat. it is a place for more experienced users to hangout and talk. > The name "freebsd-newbies" gives me to understand that I, as beginner, > could ask questions and they might be answered by a more seasoned > veteran. As you can see, the demand is here. hhmm.....did you read the list charter that accompanied the list announcement? FREEBSD-NEWBIES This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > > I used to be a subscriber to "frebsd-questions" and received an average > of 120 messages per day, but 95% are useless to me, because I didn't > understand what the talk was about. I don't know what questions are not > allowed in freebsd-questions, but noticed that newbies are used for > laughing stock on this list. things can get a little rough on freebsd-questions, but ont be so thin-skinned ;) hence you can ask first on freebsd-newbies. if no one knows the answer, then pipe up on freebsd-questions. but really. there is no need to be afraid to ask. we were (are) all newbies to FreeBSD at one time. if freebsd-question is too much mail, try the digest version. freebsd-questions-digest > > As for me, I don't run FreeBSD yet. But this could be a great mailing > list to evaluate the product and ask stupid questions without being > laughed at. > > One last remark. I noticed that every FreeBSD mailing list has an > attitude proplem. I'm not surprised that people buy Windowze and point > and click away. i dont believe that freebsd is so well known that people consider using it and *then* opt for windows. perhaps they buy a computer and voila, windos is already installed....never occurs to them they could install something else. what do ya think? jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:32:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA25874 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA25715 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Enkidu0001@aol.com) Received: from Enkidu0001@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HLDVa10830; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:31:28 -0500 (EST) From: Enkidu0001 Message-ID: <23581ded.3511ff32@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:31:28 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 162 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD" is a FreeBSD reference book . (ISBN 1-57176-159-4). Unlike the thin blue installation book for RH Linux, this book isn't focused on just installation. This book covers basic usage, commands AND installation of FreeBSD. The first 250 pages will cover things you needed to know about FreeBSD. The book has about 800 pages, and about 550 of them are MANual pages. You can use this book as a quick (and thick) reference book. This book is not a complete how-to book though. >From: bear@pacificnet.net (Joey Garcia) >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > What's this book on BSD? Lehey? is that the author? I've been looking > around for BSD books, I'm currently running Linux and I'm deciding on > making the switch to FreeBSD, but I wanted some actual printed > documentation such as books or magazines. Too bad there isn't a FreeBSD > Journal (For those of you that don't know there is a monthly printed > magazine called Linux Journal which is pretty good and pretty helpful for > beginners and advanced users). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBNRH+evz88a4VEwKYEQIcSQCguHATnkEWgqtxgKRgjzC0vBqJTCUAn3dr XrbIRplrFWRCvXcErZGfH+gr =9Rd+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:37:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26511 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:37:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26464 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA20681; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:36:10 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320163606.49492@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:36:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: ralf@acadiacom.net Cc: lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net> <19980320154907.30953@welearn.com.au> <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net>; from Ralf Black on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:15:13PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:15:13PM -0600, Ralf Black wrote: > Maybe you should change the name of the list to "freebsd-chat". Simple. There is already a list called freebsd-chat populated mostly by the old hands who don't want newbies flocking in on their established group. I think many of us would feel the same. > The name "freebsd-newbies" gives me to understand that I, as beginner, > could ask questions and they might be answered by a more seasoned > veteran. As you can see, the demand is here. You can do that in freebsd-questions. That's what it's supposed to be for. If you have any trouble with that then tell me about it, but if you read the requirements at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html you'll be fine. > As for me, I don't run FreeBSD yet. But this could be a great mailing > list to evaluate the product and ask stupid questions without being > laughed at. It depends in what way they're stupid questions :-) Being a newbie doesn't mean you're not part of everything else. Read the URL above, and if you don't feel you can ask your question there, please tell us all about it and we'll try to help you get your question up. Nobody who follows those guidelines will be treated badly when they ask a question. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:39:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26963 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:39:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from edu.gte.net (edu.gte.net [206.124.68.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26874 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stumpie@edu.gte.net) Received: from 1Cust157.tnt7.sfo3.da.uu.net by edu.gte.net with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA05070; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:38:53 -0600 Message-Id: <3511FF4A.4265@edu.gte.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:31:54 -0800 From: Stumpie X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ralf@acadiacom.net Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <3.0.1.32.19980319164854.006985c0@pacificnet.net> <19980320132212.34408@welearn.com.au> <3511E7DB.E8C7FF64@sonic.net> <19980320154907.30953@welearn.com.au> <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralf Black wrote: > > > The name "freebsd-newbies" gives me to understand that I, as beginner, > could ask questions and they might be answered by a more seasoned > veteran. As you can see, the demand is here. I, too, was under the impression that this group was formed to take some of the more elementry problems and questions off the -questions list. This makes sense to me. I just installed freebsd on a extra machine that used to be my file server when hdd prices were high. I finally got it running after installing it about 15 times and playing a lot. The next iteration of this will be an attempt to get x-windows up and running, and eventually start learning and programming in Java. If I get stuck, I intend to ask questions here rather than the -questions group, as that group appears to be for the more advanced UNIX hacker. BTW, I think that virtually every mailing list has an "attitude". Regards, Paul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:48:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28103 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:48:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28084; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:47:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.89]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:51:05 -0600 Message-ID: <35120276.1683@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:45:26 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <199803200531.VAA25654@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > i dont believe that freebsd is so well known > that people consider using it and *then* opt for windows. > perhaps they buy a computer and voila, windos is > already installed....never occurs to them they could > install something else. > > what do ya think? > jmb > -- My computer came with Windowze, but I'm aware enough to see that there are other operating systems. But here I'm refering to Windows NT. I'm sure many system operators evaluate other software for their business purposes (Webhosting, ISP, LAN etc.) before buying NT. Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 21:54:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28894 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:54:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28873; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:54:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.89]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:57:11 -0600 Message-ID: <351203E4.9F9@acadiacom.net> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:51:32 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <199803200531.VAA25654@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > hhmm.....did you read the list charter that accompanied the list > announcement? > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. I'm new to FreeBSD and before I can share experiences I have to ask questions. As you can see from earlier postings, the questions are there and may have not been answered in "freebsd-questions". Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 22:09:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01803 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01797; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:09:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.89]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:12:13 -0600 Message-ID: <3512076B.66B9@acadiacom.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:06:35 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail References: <199803200519.VAA23954@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > the lists are in the cc: line rather than the from: so that > people can easily take side issues off-line, so that mail > between the main protaganists of a issue flows faster, and > because all the lists are this way ;) > > jmb Why would I join a mailing list discussing a product like FreeBSD? To learn about it and gather information about it. If everything is taken private, I have to ask more questions while I could read replies of the list and save a lot of asking. So far, everyone responds to both and ends up with two messages. Happy deleting, Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 22:47:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA07713 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:47:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.ftcnet.com (root@alpha.ftcnet.com [204.174.119.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA07704 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from astonge@ftcnet.com) Received: from win95.box (oliver-1-17.ftcnet.com [204.174.119.67]) by alpha.ftcnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21217 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:18:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <009201bd53c8$411c9a00$3377a9c8@win95.box> From: "Adrian St.Onge" To: Subject: Unknown Class "root" Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:20:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I recently got FreeBSD Lite 2.2.2 running and was just wondering if someone could help me with the (probably) simple question. Sometimes when I log in as root or log in on the other VC as root, the message "unkown class "root" " is flashed on the screen. I know that the system messages (?) have been redirected to the console but I don't know what this means. Thanks for Any help that I get :) -- Adrian St.Onge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 23:19:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA11583 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA11566 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:19:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20944; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:18:36 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320181832.52112@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:18:32 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Adrian St.Onge" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unknown Class "root" References: <009201bd53c8$411c9a00$3377a9c8@win95.box> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <009201bd53c8$411c9a00$3377a9c8@win95.box>; from Adrian St.Onge on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:20:10PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 10:20:10PM -0800, Adrian St.Onge wrote: > Hi, > > I recently got FreeBSD Lite 2.2.2 running and was just wondering if > someone could help me with the (probably) simple question. Sometimes when I > log in as root > or log in on the other VC as root, the message "unkown class "root" " is > flashed on the screen. I know that the system messages (?) have been > redirected to the console but I don't know what this means. I've seen this one asked hundreds of times on FreeBSD-questions, so it'll be easy to find the answer. Go to http://www.freebsd.org/search.html A little bit down the page you can search the mailing list archives. Type in some words to search for, perhaps your error message, and press "Submit Query". Good luck! :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 23:29:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12745 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:29:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12737 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:29:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20987; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:29:01 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320182859.57278@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:28:59 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) References: <23581ded.3511ff32@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <23581ded.3511ff32@aol.com>; from Enkidu0001 on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 12:31:28AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 12:31:28AM -0500, Enkidu0001 wrote: > Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD" is a FreeBSD reference book . (ISBN > 1-57176-159-4). Unlike the thin blue installation book for RH Linux, > this book isn't focused on just installation. This book covers basic > usage, commands AND installation of FreeBSD. > The first 250 pages will cover things you needed to know about > FreeBSD. The book has about 800 pages, 800 pages? Mine is more than twice that size, it's a monster! I once dropped it on my foot and couldn't get up from the computer chair for three days :-) Maybe you've got the first edition? > and about 550 of them are > MANual pages. You can use this book as a quick (and thick) reference > book. This book is not a complete how-to book though. I thought mine was. There doesn't seem to be anything missing, and it describes how to do things so that even I can understand (and that's some accomplishment!) I haven't seen the first edition but from what you're saying there must have been an awful lot of stuff added since then. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Mar 19 23:34:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13352 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:34:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA13344 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:34:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA05527; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:33:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:33:57 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) In-Reply-To: <19980320182859.57278@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > 800 pages? Mine is more than twice that size, it's a monster! I once dropped > it on my foot and couldn't get up from the computer chair for three days :-) Amazon.com lists it at 800 pages even. 3rd edition...I don't have it, so I couldn't comment on how many pages mine seems to have . Sean -- "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 00:02:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA16473 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA16452 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21062; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:01:48 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320190145.39102@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:01:45 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) References: <19980320182859.57278@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Sean Harding on Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:33:57PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:33:57PM -0800, Sean Harding wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > 800 pages? Mine is more than twice that size, it's a monster! I once dropped > > it on my foot and couldn't get up from the computer chair for three days :-) > > Amazon.com lists it at 800 pages even. Well the last numbered page in my book here says 1725 and I do believe it. I wonder where they got 800 from, unless it was "almost 1800" and a bit fell off :-) > 3rd edition... What? Nah, the 2nd edition has only just come out this year. Somebody somewhere is very confused. I'll take a look and maybe tell someone if it needs fixing. Probably nobody's ever noticed before. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 00:08:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA17262 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from apies.frd.ac.za (apies.frd.ac.za [137.214.80.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA17252 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:08:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mpip@apies.frd.ac.za) Received: from mpip by apies.frd.ac.za with local (Exim 1.73 #3) id 0yFwpe-0003Iy-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:07:14 +0200 Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: <3511FB61.4B97@acadiacom.net> from Ralf Black at "Mar 19, 98 11:15:13 pm" To: ralf@acadiacom.net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:07:12 +0200 (GMT+0200) Cc: sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Manoli Piperakis Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralf Black wrote: ) Maybe you should change the name of the list to "freebsd-chat". ) ) The name "freebsd-newbies" gives me to understand that I, as beginner, ) could ask questions and they might be answered by a more seasoned ) veteran. As you can see, the demand is here. ) ) I used to be a subscriber to "frebsd-questions" and received an average ) of 120 messages per day, but 95% are useless to me, because I didn't ) understand what the talk was about. I don't know what questions are not ) allowed in freebsd-questions, but noticed that newbies are used for ) laughing stock on this list. ) ) As for me, I don't run FreeBSD yet. But this could be a great mailing ) list to evaluate the product and ask stupid questions without being ) laughed at. Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all points. Manoli To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 00:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18125 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18118 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:14:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA05656; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:14:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:14:48 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) In-Reply-To: <19980320190145.39102@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > Well the last numbered page in my book here says 1725 and I do believe it. > I wonder where they got 800 from, unless it was "almost 1800" and a bit > fell off :-) Doh! Nevermind...It's been a long night. Somehow I thought we were talking about the book someone was trying to sell (I've now forgotton the title. Was that even on this list? Now I'm really lost). Never mind me. I'll just close my root shell before I perform a massive self LART that I won't notice until morning. Sean -- "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 00:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA18492 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:18:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA18485 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:18:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA05678; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:18:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Manoli Piperakis cc: ralf@acadiacom.net, sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Manoli Piperakis wrote: > Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all > points. I don't think newbies are used as a laughing stock (unless they are asking if they can run FreeBSD on WebTV, in which case it is deserved). If the volume bothers you, you don't have to subscribe. Send questions to questions@freebsd.org. Subscription to the list not required. Sean -- "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 01:12:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA23963 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:12:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from muddy.mojo.org (anton@muddy.mojo.org [194.159.247.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA23955 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:12:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@muddy.mojo.org) Received: (from anton@localhost) by muddy.mojo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA29299; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:12:17 GMT Message-ID: <19980320091216.18372@mojo.org> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:12:16 +0000 From: Anton Angelo To: Sean Harding Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: ; from Sean Harding on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 12:18:07AM -0800 x-url: http://www.clues.com/~anton x-erox: doughnuts Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Harding (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) said: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Manoli Piperakis wrote: > > > Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all > > points. > > I don't think newbies are used as a laughing stock (unless they are asking > if they can run FreeBSD on WebTV, in which case it is deserved). If the > volume bothers you, you don't have to subscribe. Send questions to > questions@freebsd.org. Subscription to the list not required. Weeeeelllll... about the unix on webtv jibe, some of the set top boxes it has been my misfortune to "assess" for my work have run QNX, and few others various flavours of micro kernel unix. It makes sense really. I want to start a bit of a religious discussion comparing FreeBSD to Linux (specifically slackware). My experience is limited, but I have run a slackware box for a couple of years, and have started tinkering with FreeBSD in the last 6 months. I like the prefessional "feel" of FreeBSD, but the box does fall over for no reason that I. with only half a clue or less, cannot understand. My linux box however stood up for 150 days on a 386 with 4Meg RAM handling loadsaemail and even ran tin. ( a feat in itself in 4Meg :) It collapsed when the uptime figure got too large (well, that was the only reason I could work out...) So it seems to me that Slackware was "more stable" than FreeBSD. Nonetheless I'm moving my personal unix boxen to FreeBSD (apart from the 386 which I was thinking about seeing if I could get the source for minix for for a laugh) because its far easier to maintain - you have to love that ports collection. Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! aa -- Nether Poppleton (n. obsolete) A pair of P. J. Proby's trousers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 01:49:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27658 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:49:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27623 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:49:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21267; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:48:53 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320204849.20436@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:48:49 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Anton Angelo Cc: Sean Harding , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <19980320091216.18372@mojo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19980320091216.18372@mojo.org>; from Anton Angelo on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:12:16AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 09:12:16AM +0000, Anton Angelo wrote: > Sean Harding (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) said: > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Manoli Piperakis wrote: > > > > > Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all > > > points. > > > > I don't think newbies are used as a laughing stock (unless they are asking > > if they can run FreeBSD on WebTV, in which case it is deserved). If the > > volume bothers you, you don't have to subscribe. Send questions to > > questions@freebsd.org. Subscription to the list not required. > > Weeeeelllll... about the unix on webtv jibe, some of the set top boxes it > has been my misfortune to "assess" for my work have run QNX, and few > others various flavours of micro kernel unix. It makes sense really. > > I want to start a bit of a religious discussion comparing FreeBSD to > Linux (specifically slackware). Yaaaawwnn... OK :-) zzzzz > My experience is limited, but I have run a slackware box for a couple of > years, and have started tinkering with FreeBSD in the last 6 months. I > like the prefessional "feel" of FreeBSD, but the box does fall over for > no reason that I. with only half a clue or less, cannot understand. My > linux box however stood up for 150 days on a 386 with 4Meg RAM handling > loadsaemail and even ran tin. ( a feat in itself in 4Meg :) That's interesting. I had a 3 month break and ran RedHat. Compared to FreeBSD it felt very polished, everything you might need was where you could get at it, pretty little things popping up everywhere, sensible defaults set for a whole lot of software that I wasn't cluey enough to know I needed but the installation put it there. But let's get this into perspective. At that time I wasn't doing much more than installing, playing tetris, and trying to read man pages I couldn't understand. As soon as I started venturing into things a bit, the tinsel fell off and I was left sifting through a large collection of documents that seemed to have been written by people just like me. By comparison, everything in FreeBSD either worked or didn't work (depending on how well I understood the manual). Nothing kinda-worked. > It collapsed when the uptime figure got too large (well, that was the > only reason I could work out...) > > So it seems to me that Slackware was "more stable" than FreeBSD. I could say similar things about an old win3.1 box that used to sit in the corner and answer the phone. But I'd never recommend win3.1 :-) > > > Nonetheless I'm moving my personal unix boxen to FreeBSD (apart > from the 386 which I was thinking about seeing if I could get the source > for minix for for a laugh) because its far easier to maintain - you have > to love that ports collection. You'd be astounded to see what FreeBSD can do with a 386 and 8 megs of RAM. > Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for > FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to > admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! I like sendmail because for me it's the easiest. Install FreeBSD and there it is, all ready to go. Pull its config into the editor, change a couple of lines, (try not to let anyone notice the book that tells you which lines to change) and away she goes! Anything else would be much too hard for me. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 03:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA07754 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:17:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from amethyst.xch.net ([194.6.200.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA07749 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:17:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from james@xch.net) Received: from msx.xch.net by amethyst.xch.net with ESMTP id LAA09814; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:18:26 GMT Received: by msx.xch.net with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:18:25 -0000 Message-ID: <4B5AD1A1DC97D1118E720060976D80F40DB8@msx.xch.net> From: james huckle To: "'FreeBSD Newbie Submission'" Subject: Minimum Installation Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:18:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone tell me or point me in direction of relevent information about the minimum installation requirements for FreeBSD? ie processor/architecture/RAM/HDD/IO Speeds etc James Huckle Open Systems People X400 - g=james;s=huckle;p=msx;a=ospmail;c=gb SMTP - james@xch.net X400/SMTP X400/SMS X400/FAX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 03:22:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08191 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08184 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA21417; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:22:08 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980320222204.58200@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:22:04 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: james huckle Cc: "'FreeBSD Newbie Submission'" Subject: Re: Minimum Installation References: <4B5AD1A1DC97D1118E720060976D80F40DB8@msx.xch.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4B5AD1A1DC97D1118E720060976D80F40DB8@msx.xch.net>; from james huckle on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 11:18:25AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 11:18:25AM -0000, james huckle wrote: > Can anyone tell me or point me in direction of relevent information > about the minimum installation requirements for FreeBSD? ie > processor/architecture/RAM/HDD/IO Speeds etc Try the handbook http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ for starters. If you can't find all the information you need there, try the support mailing list FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to join, just send a brief email to that address. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 03:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08625 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:28:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tomahawk.cbn.net.id (tomahawk.cbn.net.id [202.158.2.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08615 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:28:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from engel@cbn.net.id) Received: from cbn.net.id (engel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tomahawk.cbn.net.id (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09261 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:33:36 GMT Message-ID: <35125410.CC309EFD@cbn.net.id> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:33:36 +0000 From: Engelhard Reply-To: engel@cbn.net.id X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Multi Processors References: <3.0.1.32.19980319201255.00694e44@pacificnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia wrote: > > Do any of you know if FreeBSD 2.2.5 supports multiprocessing? I'm > gonna be getting a dual Pentium pro machine and I want to know if I can > FreeBSD 2.2.5 on it. TIA > It's only FreeBSD 3.0 CURRENT which is support SMP Below is output from the experiment computer (dmesg command): (Intel R440LX Double Pentium II 333 MHz) Copyright (c) 1992-1997 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.0-971225-SNAP #0: Mon Mar 9 21:07:47 JAVT 1998 engel@comanche.cbn.net.id:/usr/src/sys/compile/COMANCHE CPU: Pentium Pro (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x650 Stepping=0 Features=0x183fbff,,MMX,> real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 128114688 (125112K bytes) FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 .... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 03:32:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09003 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08968; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:31:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803201131.DAA08968@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: <35120276.1683@acadiacom.net> from Ralf Black at "Mar 19, 98 11:45:26 pm" To: ralf@acadiacom.net Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:31:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ralf Black wrote: > > i dont believe that freebsd is so well known > > that people consider using it and *then* opt for windows. > > perhaps they buy a computer and voila, windos is > > already installed....never occurs to them they could > > install something else. > > > > what do ya think? > > jmb > > -- > My computer came with Windowze, but I'm aware enough to see that there > are other operating systems. > But here I'm refering to Windows NT. I'm sure many system operators > evaluate other software for their business purposes (Webhosting, ISP, > LAN etc.) before buying NT. many, if not most, large businesses reject free software out of hand---"there is no one to call" they say. calling in with a problem, and opening a "case" gives management the "ability to addresses the problem". wether or not teh case is ever resolved is not a consideration. having anothe company to blame is. a sad state of affairs. an excellent business opportunity for those that can sell a box with freebsd and bill $500--$1000 extra for installation. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 03:42:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09859 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:42:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09788; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:41:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803201141.DAA09788@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: from Sean Harding at "Mar 20, 98 00:18:07 am" To: sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:41:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: mpip@apies.frd.ac.za, ralf@acadiacom.net, sue@welearn.com.au, lfloyd@sonic.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Harding wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Manoli Piperakis wrote: > > > Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all > > points. > > I don't think newbies are used as a laughing stock (unless they are asking > if they can run FreeBSD on WebTV, in which case it is deserved). If the > volume bothers you, you don't have to subscribe. Send questions to > questions@freebsd.org. Subscription to the list not required. if you dont subscribe please add a note at the top of your email asking people to respond directly (as well as to the list) while editing headers (to: and cc:) is a subject in this list. users of the other lists do not find it to be a burden. they like the ability to control delivery easily. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 04:08:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14280 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:08:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tinny.eis.net.au (tinny.eis.net.au [203.12.171.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14271 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:08:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jye@eis.net.au) Received: from localhost (jye@localhost) by tinny.eis.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id WAA20222 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:08:27 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:08:27 +1000 (EST) From: Jye Tucker To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Sean Harding wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > 800 pages? Mine is more than twice that size, it's a monster! I once dropped > > it on my foot and couldn't get up from the computer chair for three days :-) > > Amazon.com lists it at 800 pages even. 3rd edition...I don't have it, so I > couldn't comment on how many pages mine seems to have . Maybe they're not counting both sides of the page? ;) Jye To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 04:40:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19335 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from europe.fox.net.au (hustler@europe.fox.net.au [203.36.8.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19205 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hustler@europe.fox.net.au) Received: from localhost (hustler@localhost) by europe.fox.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA14459 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:41:42 +1100 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:41:41 +1100 (EST) From: "A. Specht" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 08:15:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA16965 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16919 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:15:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3g-21.pacificnet.net (pm3g-21.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.70]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00528; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:13:44 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Anton Angelo cc: Sean Harding , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: <19980320091216.18372@mojo.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interesting....I'm running Slackware (version 3.4) Linux as we speak and I like it. It's a bit hard to manage, but its fun. I've only been using Linux for about 6 months. So far I have learned alot but I know that I have tons more to learn. And the learning curve is steep for not matter what Unix distribution you use (I believe). Although, I'd like to be more versatile and be able to work with any freenix (like FreeBSD, or Linux, or whatever). The one thing about Linux that I do like is the support, there's tons of it (magazines, books, user groups, etc). You've said that FreeBSD is more unstable....hmmmm....I've heard otherwise. I've heard that FreeBSD is more stable than Linux. But I guess that's a religous debate (maybe). I guess it's sort of along the lines on FreeBSD is better than Linux, or vise versa. The way I see it is that user have to keep an open mind and just use what the feel comfortable with. Well, I'm pretty much rambling on here. I just got out of work and I'm pretty tired. Hell, I dDon't really know if there was a point to my message. Anyways basically, I'm just an open minded guy that likes messing with other OS's. I'm interested in learning more about Unix System Administration and stuff like that. Maybe even some hacking. >=) But I know that Unix systems are quite versatile and have many uses and I want to know about them. One more thing. One thing I've been noticing is that alot of people bash Microsoft because they have monopoly or some crap. You know, one reason why I'm even interested in FreeBSD is because I want to stray away a bit from Linux because they seem to be monopolizing the free-unix gig with all their books and magazines and stuff. Let's try to unite as FreeBSD users to influence more media and faster development of FreeBSD. So that we newbies can get the cool books, and magazines, and local user groups, etc. Hell, I'm interested in joining a FreeBSD user group. I wonder if there is one in my area. :/ hmmmm Anyways, I'm outtie. Thanks for listening. Like Sue said, this is a place to chat, right? Joey Bear Garcia =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Anton Angelo wrote: > Sean Harding (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) said: > > > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Manoli Piperakis wrote: > > > > > Hear hear ! Excellently put. Couldn't agree with you more - on all > > > points. > > > > I don't think newbies are used as a laughing stock (unless they are asking > > if they can run FreeBSD on WebTV, in which case it is deserved). If the > > volume bothers you, you don't have to subscribe. Send questions to > > questions@freebsd.org. Subscription to the list not required. > > Weeeeelllll... about the unix on webtv jibe, some of the set top boxes it > has been my misfortune to "assess" for my work have run QNX, and few > others various flavours of micro kernel unix. It makes sense really. > > I want to start a bit of a religious discussion comparing FreeBSD to > Linux (specifically slackware). > > My experience is limited, but I have run a slackware box for a couple of > years, and have started tinkering with FreeBSD in the last 6 months. I > like the prefessional "feel" of FreeBSD, but the box does fall over for > no reason that I. with only half a clue or less, cannot understand. My > linux box however stood up for 150 days on a 386 with 4Meg RAM handling > loadsaemail and even ran tin. ( a feat in itself in 4Meg :) > > It collapsed when the uptime figure got too large (well, that was the > only reason I could work out...) > > So it seems to me that Slackware was "more stable" than FreeBSD. > > > > Nonetheless I'm moving my personal unix boxen to FreeBSD (apart > from the 386 which I was thinking about seeing if I could get the source > for minix for for a laugh) because its far easier to maintain - you have > to love that ports collection. > > Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for > FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to > admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! > > aa > -- > Nether Poppleton (n. obsolete) > A pair of P. J. Proby's trousers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 08:40:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA23118 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:40:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polymorph.qcsn.com (root@polymorph.qcsn.com [207.149.233.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23023 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:39:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@qcsn.com) Received: from greymouser.circle-path.org (ami-chan.circle-path.org [207.149.233.16]) by polymorph.qcsn.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA09010; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:47:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:41:17 -0800 () From: Rick Hamell To: Joey Garcia cc: Anton Angelo , Sean Harding , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: hamellr@mail.qcsn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Interesting....I'm running Slackware (version 3.4) Linux as we speak and I > like it. It's a bit hard to manage, but its fun. I've only been using > Linux for about 6 months. So far I have learned alot but I know that I > have tons more to learn. And the learning curve is steep for not matter > what Unix distribution you use (I believe). Although, I'd like to be more > versatile and be able to work with any freenix (like FreeBSD, or Linux, or Plus it makes those of use who make a living off of computers a tad bit more employable by more companies...*grin* > whatever). The one thing about Linux that I do like is the support, > there's tons of it (magazines, books, user groups, etc). I have to agree here, Linux seems to have a lot more support, but IMHO, that's because of who uses it. Your 'normal' Linux user seems to be of the self taught school of computing. They learn by playing around with it and hacking it. Whereas your 'normal' FreeBSD user seems to a professional who relies upon it for buisness purposes. But, that's also just my impression of things...:) > You've said that FreeBSD is more unstable....hmmmm....I've heard > otherwise. I've heard that FreeBSD is more stable than Linux. But I > guess that's a religous debate (maybe). I guess it's sort of along the > lines on FreeBSD is better than Linux, or vise versa. The way I see it is > that user have to keep an open mind and just use what the feel comfortable > with. Personally, I've seen both ways, though I have to say that FreeBSD is a lot more stable the Linux. While Linux is coded by a lot of people world wide, all trying to make it better, and get the latest, greatest features, it sometimes just thrown together. I give a very jaded look at any piece of code 'hacked in two hours to fulfill a need for a major unstability in the kernal' *grin* Or something like that. Again, the self taught part comes in here, while I know they're probally a very good programmer, theres the chance they misinterpet how something actually works. On the other hand, FreeBSD is being written by profressional software developers who've not only written other OS's, but have and are involved in making standards, such as PNP, EISA, PCI, etc. Both directions have their good and bad points. I've been using a PNP Modem in a Linux system as a Modem server for over a year now, BUT the system sometimes hangs up, or seems to slow down on through-put for no apparent reason. Reboot the computer, and the problem disappears. Linux seems to be a what I call a 'fiddle with it system.' Whereas with FreeBSD, it's extremly stable. On still another hand, (*grin* how many hands do I have? ) compared to anything Microsoft has released, they far superier in mission critical applications. It's an established fact in my workplace, that you MUST reboot a computer with a Microsoft product at least once every three-four days, preferablly every day. Linux seems to need to be rebooted once every three-six months, and FreeBSD... well... *grin* > Well, I'm pretty much rambling on here. I just got out of work and I'm > pretty tired. Hell, I dDon't really know if there was a As am I on the first, and just about to go to on the second...:) > One more thing. One thing I've been noticing is that alot of people bash > Microsoft because they have monopoly or some crap. You know, one reason > why I'm even interested in FreeBSD is because I want to stray away a bit > from Linux because they seem to be monopolizing the free-unix gig with all My reasons for wanting to know FreeBSD, is I want to remove all Microsoft Products from my home network, and the one at work to save myself and my employer some major money! :) Rick Hamell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 09:07:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01392 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01167 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:06:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <512766-11358>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:05:55 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336155-16164>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:05:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:05:11 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Joey Garcia wrote: > Interesting....I'm running Slackware (version 3.4) Linux as we speak and I > like it. It's a bit hard to manage, but its fun. I've only been using > Linux for about 6 months. So far I have learned alot but I know that I > have tons more to learn. And the learning curve is steep for not matter > what Unix distribution you use (I believe). Although, I'd like to be more > versatile and be able to work with any freenix (like FreeBSD, or Linux, or > whatever). The one thing about Linux that I do like is the support, > there's tons of it (magazines, books, user groups, etc). Yes, linux does have support but so does FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD you'll find alot support on various IRC networks ( ie. Dalnet or EFnet) most of the these people find themselves very close together so they form various groups often at the various universities. I got interesting in Unix though the IRC's myself. started with Red Hat Linux 5.0 (hurricane) tho I found it was buggy then switched to Slackware Linux 3.4 until I was introduced to FreeBSD > You've said that FreeBSD is more unstable....hmmmm....I've heard > otherwise. I've heard that FreeBSD is more stable than Linux. But I > guess that's a religous debate (maybe). I guess it's sort of along the > lines on FreeBSD is better than Linux, or vise versa. The way I see it is > that user have to keep an open mind and just use what the feel comfortable > with. Actually I found FreeBSD to more stable than any of the Linux OS. Personally I think Linux was designed for the people who wishes to experiment more. For one why FreeBSD is stable tho there are some Linux servers which runs ircd ( Internet relay chat daemon ) there is problem which cause a stack error causing the server to go down quite alot. > One more thing. One thing I've been noticing is that alot of people bash > Microsoft because they have monopoly or some crap. You know, one reason > why I'm even interested in FreeBSD is because I want to stray away a bit > from Linux because they seem to be monopolizing the free-unix gig with all > their books and magazines and stuff. Let's try to unite as FreeBSD users > to influence more media and faster development of FreeBSD. So that we > newbies can get the cool books, and magazines, and local user groups, etc. > Hell, I'm interested in joining a FreeBSD user group. I wonder if there > is one in my area. :/ hmmmm Anyways, I'm outtie. Thanks for listening. > Like Sue said, this is a place to chat, right? Actually the only thing I found Windows95 offers is the ablities to run games. It not monopoly etc. etc. What FreeBSD and Linux offers to the users is a better control over your own computer. Win95 loads alot of internal programs into TSR ( terminal stay resident ) which cause to use up alot of your base memory as well as a larger portion to a swap file. Actually we are united ;) You'll find FreeBSD users everywhere.. ( ie. IRC's, UseNet ) there are alot of publication available.. since FreeBSD is Unix you can use alot references available for other Unix OS with a small exception here and there. Well Linux is based after POSIX/MINUX OS most of the commands can be used on this OS. As regard to a User Group, Start one. Myself I'm not an expert also but I have a few friends whom just want to get together whom are experienced in Unix. but you don't have to be totally knowledgable, just have an interested in running and maintaining a Unix System. > > Joey Bear Garcia > Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop of kechara.sorcery.net port#9000 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 09:14:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03397 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:14:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from muswell.demon.co.uk (muswell.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03387; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:14:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ruth@muswell.demon.co.uk) Received: (from ruth@localhost) by muswell.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.6.12) id RAA00278; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:11:02 GMT Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:11:02 GMT Message-Id: <199803201711.RAA00278@muswell.demon.co.uk> From: ruth moulton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: scanners and printers X-Mailer: VM 6.22 under 19.15 XEmacs Lucid Cc: ruth@muswell.demon.co.uk Disposition-notification-to: ruth@muswell.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, scanners --------- I'd like to drive a scanner from my freebsd system, I'm looking at buying one. I'd like to ask about drivers - are there any available for freebsd? the box I'm considering is a Black Widow 9630 S, which uses a SCSII II interface. It comes with a well reveiwed TWAIN driver, does any one know if TWAIN drivers are available for UNIX ? But if any one knows of drivers for other scanners I'd welcome the information. printers -------- I'm using a b&w postscript printer at the moment, but would like to take advantage of some of the cheap colour printers around, but my favorite swre (e.g. emacs) seems to only generate Postscript, anyone have any ideas - conversion from postscript etc... thanks Ruth -- ================================================ Ruth Moulton ruth@muswell.demon.co.uk Consultant 65 Tetherdown, London N.10 1NH, UK Tel:+44 181 883 5823 -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 10:27:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA20055 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:27:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from iglou.com (exim@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA20037; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:27:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from gateway.cre8tivegroup.com [204.255.227.85] by iglou.com with esmtp (8.7.3/8.6.12) id 0yG6VJ-00078P-00; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:26:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.2 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199803201711.RAA00278@muswell.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:26:52 -0500 (EST) Organization: The Creative Group From: Patrick Gardella To: ruth moulton Subject: RE: scanners and printers Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-Mar-98 ruth moulton wrote: > printers > -------- > > I'm using a b&w postscript printer at the moment, but would > like to take advantage of some of the cheap colour printers around, > but my favorite swre (e.g. emacs) seems to only generate > Postscript, > > anyone have any ideas - conversion from postscript etc... Ruth, I am not familiar with scanners, but color printers work fine. You can use ghostscript to convert from postscript to the local printer language. Also see apsfilter to make it easier to use. The handbook has info on printing, but apsfilter and ghostscript will take care of most of it. I personnally use a Epson Color Stylus 600, and have used an HP Deskjet 870Cxi. Patrick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 10:46:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24953 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bsd.megaworks.com (bsd.megaworks.com [209.50.84.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24938 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@club-web.com) Received: from elmo (ppp-107.m2-18.tor.ican.net [142.154.23.107]) by bsd.megaworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04055; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:46:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Segal" To: "Anton Angelo" Cc: Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5430$2bb3a9c0$0201010a@elmo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for >FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to >admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! > M4 is a joke.. it takes no time.. :).. sendmail is the way to go, just pick up a book and curl up on the weekend next to the fire, and after a few crashes and heart stopping moments you'll agree sendmail is the way togo.. :) Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 11:17:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02404 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from unx1.omnicode.com (unx1.omnicode.com [208.147.39.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02374 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:17:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from omar@omnicode.com) Received: from omnicode.com.omar.omnicode.com (user6.omnicode.com [208.147.39.6]) by unx1.omnicode.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24385 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:24:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:24:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803201924.LAA24385@unx1.omnicode.com> X-Sender: omar@omnicode.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Omar Eljumaily Subject: Any tips for updating? Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm running version 2.2.2 and am contemplating updating to the latest release (2.2.5?). Anybody done that and have any tips? I really don't understand the CVS repository system. Anybody have any links that explain how that works (in simple terms)? Thanks, Omar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 11:36:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA07184 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:36:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from reliant.net (root@reliant.net [206.8.102.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07155 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mcclain@reliant.net) Received: from dingus.stomped.com (mcclain@dingus.stomped.com [206.8.102.195]) by reliant.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17754 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:36:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006001bd5437$96190b00$c36608ce@dingus.stomped.com> From: "McClain Looney" To: Subject: broken tcl libs Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:37:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there. I ran a particuarly malicious find command a while back and hosed up all my tcl libraries. This of course, broke vi (my mind boggles at what else it might have broken). when i try to start vi, i get the following error: ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtcl.so.75.1" which would indicate that it cant find the libtcl.so.75.1 file, which, indeed, does not exist on my system anymore. I attemped to synch my sources (i'm running 2.2.2-RELEASE, dont ask.) with cvsup. I tried to "make lib", but this died, as did make world, make vi and pretty much anything i tried. Do I have any choices besides reinstalling the whole os? Oh, in case you're wondering, the find command was something very similar to this: find /usr -name *tcl* -exec mv {} {}.bak \; (oh the horror). Thanks mcclain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 11:46:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09253 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:46:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.com (brandon@engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09242 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:46:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.com) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04118 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Lockhart cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: <199803201924.LAA24385@unx1.omnicode.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slackware vs. FreeBSD I have run both systems. I ran Slackware Linux for about 2 years, and am now experimenting with FreeBSD. When I ran Slackware, I was lucky to get a 10 day uptime. I have experimented with both Redhat5 and Slackware (96 i belive). Both of these operating system's chewed RAM like you wouldn't belive. It was close to Windows. When I installed FreeBSD. A 10 day uptime for me is considered bad. I am used to having uptimes of over a month. This is with half the RAM. I had to pump 128 megabytes of RAM into my Linux system (both) to get 10 day uptime's, where as with 64, running the same program's, I never even USE swap before I reboot. The only time I even reboot is when I am upgrading my kernel to the next 3.0-CURRENT strand. Also, someone prior had said that Linux had more documentation and support because more users who want to fool around use it. If you go into a book store, you will find about 20 books on Redhat, Slackware, Debian, etc. You will be lucky to find a book on FreeBSD. What I am about to say will contradict with what I say below, but I will give it a try anyway. A FreeBSD newbie is not necessarily a newbie to the UN*X operating system(s). I understand Linux like the back of my hand, but when I switched over to FreeBSD, I felt like a beginner again. The FreeBSD users you will find, tend to be the more experienced users. Yea, Linux is fun, but I feel FreeBSD is more stable. Better sources for support. Now, about my opinion on this list. There would be no FreeBSD chat between newbies if there where no questions. I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for chat, but questions also. I mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those things. If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 11:51:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10855 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:51:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from engulf.com (brandon@engulf.com [207.96.124.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10809 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:51:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@engulf.com) Received: from localhost (brandon@localhost) by engulf.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04127 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:46:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Brandon Lockhart cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: My QUESTION about ISDN ta's. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am looking into a digital line that with compression can receive 512kbps. It is a dedicated connection so I would need a good terminal adaptor. I have 2 or 3 questions to ask. 1. 128kbps, using both B channels, with 4:1 compression would give 512kbps. How would I go about actually using both B channels? I was told that this was a very hard procedure to do, unless you had an ISDN Router (plus terminal adaptor combined). Is this true? If so, how hard. What do you actually have to do? Do you use a program like "ppp" to start the actual connection? What? If you know a good place I can find ISDN answers for FreeBSD, please point me towards the URL. 2. Is anybody currently using an ISDN Terminal Adaptor and would recommend there adaptor to me? Like I mentioned above, if it is very hard to use both B channels, does anyone have an ISDN Router (and terminal adaptor combined) they would recommend for ease, stability, and speed? -- Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 12:23:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16579 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from arl-img-7.compuserve.com (arl-img-7.compuserve.com [149.174.217.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16470 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from 101355.2112@compuserve.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by arl-img-7.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.10) id PAA22062 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:22:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:07:10 -0500 From: Thierry Boudet <101355.2112@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: scanners and printers To: FreeBSD newbies Message-ID: <199803201511_MC2-3775-CEBE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > but my favorite swre (e.g. emacs) seems to only generate > Postscript, You can use Ghostscrip to print on a lot of printers. I have a very old Epson, and I print postscript every day ... Th. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 12:25:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17110 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17042 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dj@stmichael.org) Received: from dking.vip.best.com (dking.vip.best.com [206.86.6.140]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id MAA20227 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:22:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3512C511.13728473@stmichael.org> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:35:45 -0800 From: Doug King Organization: St. Michael the Archangel Orthodox Church X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon Lockhart wrote: > > Slackware vs. FreeBSD > > I have run both systems. I ran Slackware Linux for about 2 years, and am > now experimenting with FreeBSD. When I ran Slackware, I was lucky to get > a 10 day uptime. I have experimented with both Redhat5 and Slackware (96 > i belive). Both of these operating system's chewed RAM like you wouldn't > belive. It was close to Windows. When I installed FreeBSD. A 10 day > uptime for me is considered bad. Hmmmm.... Uptime on my production machines is running something over 175 days... I had a power failure back in November when the first El Nino storms hit. Otherwise, I suspect that they would be over 300 days. My Crash and Burn machine, on the other hand, is up-and-down like a yo-yo. But that's mostly because I'm CONSTANTLY stressing it in various ways... and then again, I found a bad SCSI cable the other day that might have something to do with it. ;-) > Now, about my opinion on this list. There would be no FreeBSD chat > between newbies if there where no questions. I think this list should be > for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for chat, but questions also. I > mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those > things. If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions. > I STRONGLY concur... the best way for a newbie to quit being a newbie (presuming one wants to do such a thing) is to gain enough confidence to begin to try to answere others questions.... not necessarily the deep and hard ones (which still, probably, would belong to the other lists)... At least, that's how I learn best. Cheers, dj -- + + D. J. King + dj@stmichael.org + + The Tinker's Domain + http://www.nettinker.com/ + St. Michael Orthodox Church + http://www.stmichael.org/ + The Iconography Pages + http://www.iconography.com/ + Irina & Sons Icon Gallery + http://www.nettinker.com/icongal/ + Oakwood Publications + http://www.nettinker.com/oakwood/ + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:26:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28993 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28677 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <513045-11358>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:24:45 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336234-29811>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:24:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:24:55 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greeting all; after purchasing the book of The Complete FreeBSD; on p. 237 Installing the sample desktop: # /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop <-- is this the command to install the sample desktop ? Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:32:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00219 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:32:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00103 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id G5587J59; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: <01ae01bd5447$4a91eb10$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Richard Broza" , Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:29:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks as if your p237 is different than my p237... Is this 1st edition, copyright 1996, ISBN 1-57176-159-4 ??? David _____________________________________________________ David Shanes 7535 Metropolitan Drive dshanes@personalogic.com San Diego, CA 92108 Database Developer (619) 220-5800 x228 PersonaLogic, Inc. (619) 220-5899 (fax) http://www.PersonaLogic.com -----Original Message----- From: Richard Broza To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:28 PM Subject: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD > >Greeting all; > >after purchasing the book of The Complete FreeBSD; on p. 237 >Installing the sample desktop: > ># /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop <-- is this the command to install >the sample desktop ? > >Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf >SorceryNet IRC >IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 >whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:37:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01252 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01208 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ABAMFICI@aol.com) Received: from ABAMFICI@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HDGDa01923 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: ABAMF ICI Message-ID: <5ac8eb24.3512e13e@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:35:56 EST To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: while the linux/freebsd debates are up... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I'm sick of windows. :) About a month ago I decided to do something about it, so I got a slackware linux cd from cdrom.com which runs freebsd...instresting isn't it? I got it because I had come across a few other people on the internet who used it and loved it.....and no gates :) I haven't really learned too much about linux (mainly due to do lack of time) and since an earlier post refered to freebsd as being totally differnet from linux, why not just start off with freebsd instead of linux as my microcrap alternative? Well anyway, could some kind soul tell me the pros and cons of both operating systems, or point me to some kind of a debate/comparision page on the two? >From some of the other freebsd lists I've only gathered that it's a command line driven os similiar to linux. Is that essently all it is or is there some major difference? Thanks in advance. ~Kevin :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:41:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01862 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01852 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:41:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <515737-11347>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:40:49 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336099-29812>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:40:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:40:51 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <01ae01bd5447$4a91eb10$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, David Shanes wrote: > It looks as if your p237 is different than my p237... Is this 1st edition, > copyright 1996, ISBN 1-57176-159-4 ??? > > David Hiya David: Sorry, if I forgot to include the book version.. it in the second edition just wondering if this is the command.. or do I have to mountthe cdrom first Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:45:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02400 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02392 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:45:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25566; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:45:21 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321084519.43889@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:45:19 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Richard Broza Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Broza on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:24:55PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:24:55PM -0800, Richard Broza wrote: > > Greeting all; > > after purchasing the book of The Complete FreeBSD; on p. 237 > Installing the sample desktop: > > # /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop <-- is this the command to install > the sample desktop ? That's how I read that page. Have you tried it yet? Did it work? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:50:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03243 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:50:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03130 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25579; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:49:41 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321084937.32014@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:49:37 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Richard Broza Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD References: <01ae01bd5447$4a91eb10$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Broza on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:40:51PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:40:51PM -0800, Richard Broza wrote: > Sorry, if I forgot to include the book version.. it in the second edition > just wondering if this is the command.. or do I have to mountthe cdrom > first Aaaaarrgggh, yes you do. I hate it when I get half the instructions, assuming I'll remember to do the "obvious" things. And that's what I did to you just then, sorry. You can't even wink at a CD without mounting it first, and don't forget to unmount when you're finished. I unmount it like this: umount /cdrom -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:55:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03995 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03912 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <515827-11347>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:54:07 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336162-29809>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:52:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980321084519.43889@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:24:55PM -0800, Richard Broza wrote: > That's how I read that page. > Have you tried it yet? Did it work? > Hiya Sue; I try the command stated both in root and my user account on my box what I got was: /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop: not found Richard Kelly aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port#9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:56:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04604 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04599 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:56:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25612; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:56:11 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321085607.27129@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:56:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: McClain Looney Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: broken tcl libs References: <006001bd5437$96190b00$c36608ce@dingus.stomped.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <006001bd5437$96190b00$c36608ce@dingus.stomped.com>; from McClain Looney on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:37:14PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:37:14PM -0600, McClain Looney wrote: > Hi there. > > I ran a particuarly malicious find command a while back and hosed up all my > tcl libraries. This of course, broke vi (my mind boggles at what else it > might have broken). Here I am, already terrified of using find, and you tell me this! :-) > when i try to start vi, i get the following error: > > ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtcl.so.75.1" > > which would indicate that it cant find the libtcl.so.75.1 file, which, > indeed, does not exist on my system anymore. I attemped to synch my sources > (i'm running 2.2.2-RELEASE, dont ask.) with cvsup. I tried to "make lib", > but this died, as did make world, make vi and pretty much anything i tried. > Do I have any choices besides reinstalling the whole os? > > Oh, in case you're wondering, the find command was something very similar to > this: find /usr -name *tcl* -exec mv {} {}.bak \; (oh the horror). Thanks, but I don't think I'll study that one too closely just yet :-) My vi doesn't work either (not that it worries me!) and the error message looks vaguely similar. I wonder if others have had this solved in freebsd-questions in the past? A quick search of the freebsd-questions mailing list archive on http://www.freebsd.org/search.html will probably bring it up. In fact, I'd be interested to hear how you go with the search. Some people have had trouble with it, while others swear by it. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 13:59:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA05193 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA05187 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:59:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from mustang (pm3g-25.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.74]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17996; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:57:55 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia X-Sender: bear@mustang To: Brandon Lockhart cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > Slackware vs. FreeBSD > > Now, about my opinion on this list. There would be no FreeBSD chat > between newbies if there where no questions. I think this list should be > for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for chat, but questions also. I > mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those > things. If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions. No kidding!! Sometimes I feel like I need a Masters in CS to understand the damn man pages, but ya know the more you look at them...they easier they are to understand. I guess that's the basics of Unix...just keep playing with it and you'll end up figuring it out. Just gotta have patience...lot's and lot's of it. Joey Bear Garcia > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:00:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA05580 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:00:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05553 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:00:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <516122-11358>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:00:08 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336178-29812>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:00:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:00:50 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <19980321084937.32014@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Aaaaarrgggh, yes you do. I hate it when I get half the instructions, > assuming I'll remember to do the "obvious" things. And that's what I did to > you just then, sorry. You can't even wink at a CD without mounting it first, > and don't forget to unmount when you're finished. I unmount it like this: > umount /cdrom > Hiya Sue; ok, me thinks I found an error or it can be how I set things up on my box.. mounted the cdrom under root access and try the that line.. but still got.. /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop: command not found regards Richard Broza To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:02:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06111 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06066 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from mustang (pm3g-25.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.74]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA18619; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:00:31 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:00:42 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia X-Sender: bear@mustang To: Doug King cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: <3512C511.13728473@stmichael.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Doug King wrote: > Brandon Lockhart wrote: > > > > Slackware vs. FreeBSD > > > > I have run both systems. I ran Slackware Linux for about 2 years, and am > > now experimenting with FreeBSD. When I ran Slackware, I was lucky to get > > a 10 day uptime. I have experimented with both Redhat5 and Slackware (96 > > i belive). Both of these operating system's chewed RAM like you wouldn't > > belive. It was close to Windows. When I installed FreeBSD. A 10 day > > uptime for me is considered bad. > > Hmmmm.... Uptime on my production machines is running something over 175 > days... I had a power failure back in November when the first El Nino > storms hit. Otherwise, I suspect that they would be over 300 days. > That damn El Nino...he just keeps screwing things up doesn't he? *grin* Impressive up times though. :) Joey Bear Garcia > Cheers, > dj > > > -- > + > + D. J. King > + dj@stmichael.org > + > + The Tinker's Domain + http://www.nettinker.com/ > + St. Michael Orthodox Church + http://www.stmichael.org/ > + The Iconography Pages + http://www.iconography.com/ > + Irina & Sons Icon Gallery + http://www.nettinker.com/icongal/ > + Oakwood Publications + http://www.nettinker.com/oakwood/ > + > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:06:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06833 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06800 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id G5587J7N; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:53 -0800 Message-ID: <026501bd544c$1aa28c70$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Richard Broza" , Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:04:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich, The command is accessing the CD-ROM so, yes, you will have to mount it. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Broza To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD > > >On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, David Shanes wrote: > >> It looks as if your p237 is different than my p237... Is this 1st edition, >> copyright 1996, ISBN 1-57176-159-4 ??? >> >> David > >Hiya David: > >Sorry, if I forgot to include the book version.. it in the second edition >just wondering if this is the command.. or do I have to mountthe cdrom >first > > Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf > SorceryNet IRC > IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 > whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:06:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06932 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06828 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25663; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:05:58 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321090554.10847@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:05:54 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Richard Broza Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD References: <19980321084519.43889@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Broza on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:53:38PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:53:38PM -0800, Richard Broza wrote: > I try the command stated both in root and my user account on my box > what I got was: > > /cdrom//book/scripts/install-desktop: not found Hey, now that you mention it, I think those files might have got missed off the CD, or moved around or something? My CD drive died so I never got to look at it myself. But there is an easy answer to all this! Every week, like in a few hours from now, there's an update to the errata for The Complete FreeBSD. I know it's mentioned in there! (It just takes me a while to remember these things) You don't have to wait for the errata to be posted to freebsd-questions though. It's on the web somewhere... hmm.... Can you find an errata.txt on the CD? If so it'll point to the URL. If not, watch this space... -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07537 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:08:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07460 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:07:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25670; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:07:16 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321090711.05316@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:07:11 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Brandon Lockhart Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. References: <199803201924.LAA24385@unx1.omnicode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Brandon Lockhart on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:41:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:41:36PM -0500, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > I understand Linux like the back of my hand, but when I > switched over to FreeBSD, I felt like a beginner again. The FreeBSD users > you will find, tend to be the more experienced users. Yea, Linux is fun, > but I feel FreeBSD is more stable. Better sources for support. I like the FreeBSD support better. There's less of it, but you know what kind of people it's coming from. We're lucky to have them all hanging out in freebsd-questions so that there's one place to go for reliable answers. With Linux, I always had to ask six different people and take the average of their responses. My computer didn't always understand these averages, and then it was back to all six of them again. > Now, about my opinion on this list. There would be no FreeBSD chat > between newbies if there where no questions. If everyone believed that we wouldn't be here in the first place. Some of us spend most of our time helping ourselves and want to talk to real peers about it. It's OK to be humble and talk to an expert every now and then, but if every single thing I do with freebsd is done in "help-me-Sir!" mode, I'll get bored pretty quickly. Sure, I need a lot of help, but most of the time I don't. Then I'm interested in what I _can_do_ , what others can do already, and sharing ideas about how to find out more rather than being told how to do everything. Do newbies have any existence, any interests, apart from those times when they are asking someone more experienced for help? Those who do will find likeminded souls here and still have the opportunity to use the regular list when they need support. Those who don't will be much happier restricting themselves to freebsd-questions instead of using both. We don't all have to like the same things. > I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for > chat, but questions also. But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story. > I mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those > things. If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions. Now that's an excellent topic for this list! Most of us need help to understand the manuals (not just help to use the software) as well as help to write sensible questions for the other list. Some of us can't even find the right manuals or other resources. Once we work out what manuals we're using, what problems we're having with them, and how we can learn from what each other has done with them, we'll be in a very good position to have a say in how the manuals are written. Why? Because the people writing them want to know how they are being used and what improvements can be made. It's a lot of work to get manuals right. One newbie's idea of what makes sense is not enough to give good guidance. And once we newbies find out what we _can_ do with the manuals it'll become clearer what it is that we can't do with them the way they are now. Here's an example. The same day I installed I read up on how to build a new kernel, using the handbook and FAQ together. I followed the instructions, and voila! New kernel! No worries! Nervewracking, but it worked well. Months later I was still trying to figure out how to do simple things like install ports. Does this mean that the kernel rebuilding stuff is very well written for a newbie? I doubt it very much. It was perfectly written for me when I knew nothing. Has anyone else tried following these instructions? Did it work or not? Can you follow it all except for one sentence somewhere? Can another newbie explain how they dealt with that sentence, or point to another document that makes it clear? Throwing these questions around can help everyone, in ways that how-to answers aren't meant to. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:08:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07725 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:08:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca (smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07624 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:08:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwolf@rogers.wave.ca) Received: from mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.32.4]) by smtp.on.rogers.wave.ca with ESMTP id <516262-11347>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:07:43 -0500 Received: from altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca ([24.113.53.151]) by mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca with SMTP id <336126-29812>; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:08:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:08:45 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Broza X-Sender: wwolf@altair.ns.bc.rogers.wave.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The Complete FreeBSD p.237 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, ppl.. me found a bug or typo in the book The Complete FreeBSD on p.237 it states: You'll find all the files described in this chapter on the first CD-ROM ( Installation CD-ROM ) in the directory /book.. just checked the first CD.. there is NO directory called /book on the first CD.. Richard Broza aka WhiteWolf SorceryNet IRC IRCop on kechara.sorcery.net port #9000 whitewolf@sorcery.net / wwolf@rogers.wave.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:14:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08572 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:14:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from general1.consumersedge.com (mail.personalogic.com [208.213.67.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08552 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dshanes@personalogic.com) Received: from SHANES by general1.consumersedge.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1458.49) id G5587J7W; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:14:46 -0800 Message-ID: <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> From: "David Shanes" To: "Sue Blake" , "Brandon Lockhart" Cc: Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:12:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You sure type fast..... You got all of that in between my e-mail checks every 3 minutes! David -----Original Message----- From: Sue Blake To: Brandon Lockhart Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, March 20, 1998 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. >On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:41:36PM -0500, Brandon Lockhart wrote: > >> I understand Linux like the back of my hand, but when I >> switched over to FreeBSD, I felt like a beginner again. The FreeBSD users >> you will find, tend to be the more experienced users. Yea, Linux is fun, >> but I feel FreeBSD is more stable. Better sources for support. > >I like the FreeBSD support better. There's less of it, but you know what >kind of people it's coming from. We're lucky to have them all hanging out in >freebsd-questions so that there's one place to go for reliable answers. With >Linux, I always had to ask six different people and take the average of >their responses. My computer didn't always understand these averages, and >then it was back to all six of them again. > >> Now, about my opinion on this list. There would be no FreeBSD chat >> between newbies if there where no questions. > >If everyone believed that we wouldn't be here in the first place. Some of us >spend most of our time helping ourselves and want to talk to real peers >about it. It's OK to be humble and talk to an expert every now and then, but >if every single thing I do with freebsd is done in "help-me-Sir!" mode, I'll >get bored pretty quickly. Sure, I need a lot of help, but most of the time I >don't. Then I'm interested in what I _can_do_ , what others can do already, >and sharing ideas about how to find out more rather than being told how to >do everything. > >Do newbies have any existence, any interests, apart from those times when >they are asking someone more experienced for help? Those who do will find >likeminded souls here and still have the opportunity to use the regular list >when they need support. Those who don't will be much happier restricting >themselves to freebsd-questions instead of using both. We don't all have to >like the same things. > > >> I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for >> chat, but questions also. > >But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story. > >> I mean, the manual is a good place to find answers, but who write's those >> things. If we could understand them we wouldn't need to ask questions. > >Now that's an excellent topic for this list! > >Most of us need help to understand the manuals (not just help to use the >software) as well as help to write sensible questions for the other list. >Some of us can't even find the right manuals or other resources. Once we >work out what manuals we're using, what problems we're having with them, and >how we can learn from what each other has done with them, we'll be in a very >good position to have a say in how the manuals are written. Why? Because the >people writing them want to know how they are being used and what >improvements can be made. It's a lot of work to get manuals right. One >newbie's idea of what makes sense is not enough to give good guidance. >And once we newbies find out what we _can_ do with the manuals it'll become >clearer what it is that we can't do with them the way they are now. > >Here's an example. The same day I installed I read up on how to build a new >kernel, using the handbook and FAQ together. I followed the instructions, >and voila! New kernel! No worries! Nervewracking, but it worked well. Months >later I was still trying to figure out how to do simple things like install >ports. > >Does this mean that the kernel rebuilding stuff is very well written for a >newbie? I doubt it very much. It was perfectly written for me when I knew >nothing. Has anyone else tried following these instructions? Did it work or >not? Can you follow it all except for one sentence somewhere? Can another >newbie explain how they dealt with that sentence, or point to another >document that makes it clear? Throwing these questions around can help >everyone, in ways that how-to answers aren't meant to. > > > >-- > >Regards, > -*Sue*- > >find / -name "*.conf" |more > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:16:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08951 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:16:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pagesz.net (root@nina.pagesz.net [208.194.157.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA08945 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:16:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jferg@2boot.com) Received: from .pagesz.net (isabella-47.pagesz.net [208.194.157.47]) by pagesz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA08134; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:16:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 18:07:51 PST From: joe ferguson Subject: RE: while the linux/freebsd debates are up... To: ABAMF ICI , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6.3, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use both; but I don't like to get involved in relogeous wars. I think that Linux is more bleeding edge, but FreeBSD is more stable. I think this innocuous position might get some heated arguments going. ------------------------------------- Name: joe . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:16:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09074 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09000 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:16:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25721; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:16:21 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321091619.02944@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:16:19 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Richard Broza Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Complete FreeBSD p.237 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from Richard Broza on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:08:45PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:08:45PM -0800, Richard Broza wrote: > > Ok, ppl.. > > me found a bug or typo in the book The Complete FreeBSD on p.237 > it states: > > You'll find all the files described in this chapter on the first CD-ROM > ( Installation CD-ROM ) in the directory /book.. > > just checked the first CD.. there is NO directory called /book on the > first CD.. Yep, check out http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html and all will be revealed. All the bugs and typos are fixed up in there. If you find any mistakes that haven't been mentioned in the errata, the author wants to know about them. There's a few extra pieces of info that were added in later, so it's worth reading anyway. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:20:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA09845 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA09763 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25738; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:19:34 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321091930.29775@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:19:30 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: David Shanes Cc: Brandon Lockhart , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. References: <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com>; from David Shanes on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:12:00PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 02:12:00PM -0800, David Shanes wrote: > You sure type fast..... You got all of that in between my e-mail checks > every 3 minutes! It's this special typing technique I learned in New Zealand one rainy Sunday :-) -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:25:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10503 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from macs.oandm.uiuc.edu (macs.oandm.uiuc.edu [128.174.186.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10482 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hostmail@macs.oandm.uiuc.edu) Received: (from hostmail@localhost) by macs.oandm.uiuc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA02554 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:25:09 -0600 (CST) From: host list mail Message-Id: <199803202225.QAA02554@macs.oandm.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> from David Shanes at "Mar 20, 98 02:12:00 pm" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:25:08 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >> I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for > >> chat, but questions also. > > > >But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story. > > Is this list for the people on it, or the people who created it? Lowell Lamb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:29:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10993 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:29:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA10976 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:28:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25770; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:28:40 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321092835.22850@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:28:35 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How to get help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mailing Lists When you have a problem or want to ask for help, there's only ONE support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Manuals You'll always be expected show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:34:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA12826 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:34:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from buzzcut.ipa.net (buzzcut@buzzcut.ipa.net [207.2.198.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA12707 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:34:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from buzzcut@ipa.net) Received: from buzzcut.ipa.net (buzzcut.ipa.net [207.2.198.93]) by buzzcut.ipa.net (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id ra020479 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:33:52 +0000 X-Sender: buzzcut@buzzcut.ipa.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:33:51 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brent Randolph Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: <19980321090711.05316@welearn.com.au> References: <199803201924.LAA24385@unx1.omnicode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <22335260901104@buzzcut.ipa.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id OAA12742 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I like the FreeBSD support better. There's less of it, but you know what >kind of people it's coming from. We're lucky to have them all hanging out in >freebsd-questions so that there's one place to go for reliable answers. With >Linux, I always had to ask six different people and take the average of >their responses. My computer didn't always understand these averages, and >then it was back to all six of them again. -----> ya know, you're right, there is less of it, but I have found that the difference between talking to linux junkies and freebsd junkies is that the freebsd's are usually 1) much nicer, 2) more knowledgeable, and 3) more abundant in higher end ISPs :) I do have to give kudos to Wayne Self (if he's on /this/ list) for the help he's given me. I don't have much time to learn it by constantly reading, and Wayne (who is employed by Walnut Creek) had the pleasure of helping me. He's a former employee of mine if you're wondering :) > >Do newbies have any existence, any interests, apart from those times when >they are asking someone more experienced for help? Those who do will find >likeminded souls here and still have the opportunity to use the regular list >when they need support. Those who don't will be much happier restricting >themselves to freebsd-questions instead of using both. We don't all have to >like the same things. -----> heh...I think I'll stick to ONE list for freebsd :) Seems 100+ messages/day isn't enough, so why not subscribe to this one :) >newbie's idea of what makes sense is not enough to give good guidance. >And once we newbies find out what we _can_ do with the manuals it'll become >clearer what it is that we can't do with them the way they are now. -----> one could say "if you wanna learn it /all/ like a pro, buy an oreilly's or sams net book, if you wanna learn it /all/ like a newbie, get the handbook"...of course, one could also say "if you wanna learn /some/ of it like an idiot, buy 'freebsd for dummies'..."if there was one :) My idea of the handbook and manuals are something that is written for a true newbie. Imagine me, hacking (my own) Windows for speed and effeciency, then getting bored (face it, it's easy with Windows) and trying something else...had it not been for friends and co-workers, I would have been perplexed by /some/ (not all) of the handbook. There were parts that told me to do one thing, only to find out that last week it was replaced by another. IE, setting up sound...type this, but what if it's a non plug n play SB16? Where was the part in the handbook for installing the midi drivers. I didn't see sbxvi0 or sbmidi0 mentioned anywhere...till Wayne said "oh, you /have/ to do this... :( >Here's an example. The same day I installed I read up on how to build a new >kernel, using the handbook and FAQ together. I followed the instructions, >and voila! New kernel! No worries! Nervewracking, but it worked well. Months >later I was still trying to figure out how to do simple things like install >ports. -----> is this something we /all/ have in common? Same thing with me :) well, 'cept for sound :) -- Brent                                 buzzcut@ipa.net {buzzcut}                            admin irc.ipa.net  #refuge "My occupation, I suppose, is jail inmate." --Theodore Kaczynski To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:39:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14106 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:39:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ns.acadiacom.net (ns.acadiacom.net [206.104.52.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13984 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralf@acadiacom.net) Received: from ralf (unverified [206.104.52.55]) by ns.acadiacom.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 2.1.5) with SMTP id ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:42:06 -0600 Message-ID: <3512EF81.7262@acadiacom.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:36:50 -0600 From: Ralf Black Reply-To: ralf@acadiacom.net Organization: Crescent City Satellite X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: host list mail CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. References: <199803202225.QAA02554@macs.oandm.uiuc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org host list mail wrote: > > > > > > >> I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for > > >> chat, but questions also. > > > > > >But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story. > > > > > Is this list for the people on it, or the people who created it? > > Lowell Lamb Here we go again.....Attitude by the Host! They don't care what people need, they just care about them self! Ralf To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA14612 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA14233 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:39:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (kaput@dialA3c.aei.ca [206.123.6.80]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04554 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:39:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3512EF36.F0E9B456@whoever.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:35:34 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: FUG- FreeBSD User Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for the bad english, I am from Québec and we talk french here, but I'm open minded and I talk both language. I have some point of view, because its *supposed* to be a chat mailling list ;-) Ok, I have FreeBSD, and its my first Unix like systems. I was using Windows 95, and like a little user, I have several problems. All of that is bullshit and *they* create a new market by publicities. The run for OS is not over: www.be.com is a good example of future. This is a new Operating System, and they run FreeBSD for www.be.com because BeOS cannot right now be used as a server: to much bugs. Ok, now I want explain why we hate Windows, and why FreeBSD is not popular as Linux. We hate Windows 95 because of the price, of the bug, and the support. Microsoft always say "Its the Hardware" and hardware sellers says "its Microsoft". Aargh! Now Linux is popular because of the support and the integration of knowledge and web page about it. And also for the *hackers* reputation... The news papers talk about them. I suggest We should create more powerfull link between the devellopers and the users. We also should do 1 FUG "Freebsd User Groups" by town and we should put the list on www.FreeBSD.org BeOS have seen than that was that than the user want: they publish all there User Groups on there web page! I also suggest than www.FreeBSD.org do a space for us, users... And than they put a bug report page (I have not find any on there page) like on www.openbsd.org I also suggest than we copy all good thing from other OS, all the good user-concept Take the better of all ;-) I have finded than computer user are lost on FreeBSD... I was lost... a friends help me, but it was chance: you do not have always a friends who know about FreeBSD! So I have Created my own FUG for my town. I am not an advanced user, but its a place to start! and FreeBSD should support an irc channel like #freebsd-newbies and that channel should not be for chatting: just for stupid questions like "wath's *ls*" :-) and we should put more example of how to use commands... its funny when you dont understand something how you can simply reboot under windows95 who is *more* simple. Its possible than all I have said already exist, but I have not find anything. All in freebsd should be for user, for newbie user because we need to devellop that market... Not only Linux user who move to freebsd but also Newbie. I think than I will create a page where I will put all FUG who exist, if your interested, mail me please or inform me where I can find them... Not only english rulez the world... sorry for my bad english! KapuT -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ-scrap #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6-CVSup *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:45:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16296 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16274 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25849; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:45:09 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321094506.51737@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:45:07 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: host list mail Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. References: <027001bd544d$347834f0$1d43a8c0@shanes.personalogic.com> <199803202225.QAA02554@macs.oandm.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199803202225.QAA02554@macs.oandm.uiuc.edu>; from host list mail on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 04:25:08PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 04:25:08PM -0600, host list mail wrote: > > > > > >> I think this list should be for FreeBSD newbies in general. Not just for > > >> chat, but questions also. > > > > > >But that is not what it is. Sorry to disappoint. End of story. > > > > > > Is this list for the people on it, or the people who created it? This list cannot ever be all things to all people. No list can. All of the FreeBSD mailing lists have different functions. Like the others, this list is for the people who happen to want what it offers and are prepared to participate within those parameters. Perhaps the most important of all the lists is FreeBSD-questions, especially for newbies. There is no need to have another list in direct competition. Go there for your cake and come back here if you want to get the icing too. Now can we please drop this and get on with the more important business of enjoying the things that we do while we're not being supported. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:51:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17746 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:51:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17658; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:50:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmb) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Message-Id: <199803202250.OAA17658@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Slackware vs FreeBSD, aswell as my opinion on this list. In-Reply-To: <22335260901104@buzzcut.ipa.net> from Brent Randolph at "Mar 20, 98 04:33:51 pm" To: buzzcut@ipa.net (Brent Randolph) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:50:49 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org turn around time on this list is pretty good. hmm....i'll have to see what i can do to make it faster yet jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 14:58:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA19683 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:58:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA19555 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:57:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25898; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:57:12 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321095708.31236@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:57:08 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Mark Segal Cc: Anton Angelo , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] References: <01bd5430$2bb3a9c0$0201010a@elmo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <01bd5430$2bb3a9c0$0201010a@elmo>; from Mark Segal on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:44:10PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:44:10PM -0500, Mark Segal wrote: > >Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for > >FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to > >admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! > > > M4 is a joke.. it takes no time.. :) Really? How would you suggest someone should go about learning M4? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 15:15:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24353 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA23887 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:13:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA07018; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <3512F7FD.47580815@dal.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:13:01 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: McClain Looney CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: broken tcl libs References: <006001bd5437$96190b00$c36608ce@dingus.stomped.com> <19980321085607.27129@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 01:37:14PM -0600, McClain Looney wrote: > > Hi there. > > > > I ran a particuarly malicious find command a while back and hosed up all my > > tcl libraries. This of course, broke vi (my mind boggles at what else it > > might have broken). In general, you don't want to run fancy/complicated find commands. The syntax is very easy to get wrong (I speak from experience :), and depending on what you're doing (especially in a script run by cron) you are opening yourself up to security problems. You're almost always better off using the results of find in a script. > > when i try to start vi, i get the following error: > > > > ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libtcl.so.75.1" > > > > which would indicate that it cant find the libtcl.so.75.1 file, *Bing bing bing bing* :) > > which, > > indeed, does not exist on my system anymore. I attemped to synch my sources > > (i'm running 2.2.2-RELEASE, dont ask.) with cvsup. I tried to "make lib", > > but this died, as did make world, make vi and pretty much anything i tried. > > Do I have any choices besides reinstalling the whole os? Well, you do have choices, however all of them are messy and don't offer guarantees of working. Your best (as in most time-effective and highest potential for success) option at this point is to use the upgrade process to reinstall the OS. You can get the latest 2.2.6-Beta snapshot at ftp://releng22.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.2.6-980315-BETA/ You want to get the boot floppy from the floppies directory there. Make sure to follow the upgrade instructions, especially the bit about backing up important files (like /etc). Reinstalling will solve the chicken and egg library problems that are likely the reason your previous attempts to solve the problem failed. Good luck, Doug PS, If you need further help feel free to contact me privately, or follow up to freebsd-questions. My understanding is that this list is more for chatting than it is for questions, although my feeling is that if you're going to have a list for newbies let them define what to use it for. :) -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 16:10:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07427 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:10:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07338 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from mustang (pm3g-4.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.53]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26325; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:07:53 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:08:04 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia X-Sender: bear@mustang To: KapuT cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <3512EF36.F0E9B456@whoever.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, KapuT wrote: > The run for OS is not over: www.be.com is a good example of future. > This is a new Operating System, and they run FreeBSD for www.be.com > because BeOS cannot right now be used as a server: to much bugs. Hmmm....I didn't know that. I do believe that the BeOS project seems to be quite promising. Sometimes I wish I had the funds in order to buy a bunch of machines in order to play with different OS's > Now Linux is popular because of the support and the integration of > knowledge and web page about it. And also for the *hackers* > reputation... The news papers talk about them. > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". One good thing about that is that, at least it was a free-unix machine and not a Windows machine that did the work. :) I know that FreeBSD is meant to be free, but with publicity I think that Walnut Creek might be getting more orders for it. Hopefully that would raise funds in order to speed up the development of FreeBSD. Redhat and Caldera seem to be making a killing off of Linux. I don't know, those are just my speculations. I really don't even know how much the Linux distributors make, or even what Walnut Creek makes off of FreeBSD. > I suggest > We should create more powerfull link between the devellopers and the > users. Yes, that seems like a great idea!! Although, I'm not as experienced enough to acutally have any input I guess. But then again, considering this is an Open System...if you want to have input...I guess you cans start coding and being part of the development team. Hell I would, but I don't know how to program yet. > We also should do 1 FUG "Freebsd User Groups" by town and we should put > the list on www.FreeBSD.org > > BeOS have seen than that was that than the user want: they publish all > there User Groups on there web page! > I would love to join a user group in my area, but I don't know if any exist. And I'm afriad that I'm too much of a novice to even start one. But I'm all in favor of a FreeBSD User Group. I'm also in favor of the FreeBSD website having some more user input. Sometimes it seems that the FreeBSD homepage doesn't even change. (when do they update it?) > I also suggest than www.FreeBSD.org do a space for us, users... > And than they put a bug report page (I have not find any on there page) > like on www.openbsd.org A bug list would be nice. > > I also suggest than we copy all good thing from other OS, all the good > user-concept > Take the better of all ;-) Nothing wrong with borrowing ideas....right? Apple did it when they stole, *ahem* I mean borrowed the GUI idea from Xerox. *grin* > > I have finded than computer user are lost on FreeBSD... I was lost... a > friends help me, but it was chance: you do not have always a friends who > know about FreeBSD! > > So I have Created my own FUG for my town. I am not an advanced user, > but its a place to start! > and FreeBSD should support an irc channel like #freebsd-newbies > and that channel should not be for chatting: just for stupid questions > like "wath's *ls*" > :-) Good for you in starting your own user group!!! I should probably do the same. Your idea about the irc channel for newbies isn't so bad, but you know...you could make your own freebsd-newbies channel. Just open that channel and run a bot. And sit there and help poeple out. I think we have to keep in mind that alot of the FreeBSD Guru's probably don't have the time, nor patience to sit there and type out a how-to on irc. But, at least newbies can work problems out with other newbies and maybe we all can learn together. > > > I think than I will create a page where I will put all FUG who exist, if > your interested, mail me please or inform me where I can find them... > Good idea!! > Not only english rulez the world... sorry for my bad english! > > KapuT > > -- > *************************** > kaput@whoever.com > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ > ICQ-scrap #4224434 > IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid > Undernet #FreeBSD > Windows95 > Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6-CVSup > *************************** Joey Bear Garcia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 16:31:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09591 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:31:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09583 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:31:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07793; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <35130A13.E37B998B@dal.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:30:11 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joey Garcia CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia wrote: > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more > publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of > the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". They ran linux on the titanic? That explains a lot. :) Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 17:08:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15807 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:08:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from server4.mpcbbs.com.br (server4.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15791 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from capriotti@geocities.com) Received: from hot_nt (node12.mpc.com.br [200.246.0.12]) by server4.mpcbbs.com.br (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25179 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:07:56 -0300 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> X-Sender: capriotti@pop.mpc.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:08:07 -0300 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Capriotti Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Joey and KapuT. Several points on what you both just said are true, but the main problem with FreeBSD today is partialy caused by it's best part: Centralization. A code, once it is written, will not be included as part of FreeBSD at once; It will first be tested - a LOT ! - and next released as alpha, beta, and so on. PPL don't like it, but this is the way to make Free solid as a rock, and that's why I chose FBSD, and many ppl too. It is never too much to mention companies like Sony Electronics and Yahoo, that use FreeBSD, and not other comercial or free unix package. Be patient if you can't - like myself - code a progam. Coding could be the best way to support free, but, on the ohter hand, opening a IRC channel would also be great, but finding ppl to sit and answer is somtimes difficult; Why ? Simple: Hackers (I'd better call them crackers, since they break in systems. hackers build systems. They KNOW HOW to invade them, buy they have their ethics - as I was saing, crackers don't like FreeBSD because of this "slow-growth" structure. Example: FreeBSD is about to release the final and maybe stable version of the SMP kernel. Linux has it for a long time ago. But I heard that planing on Free's SMP was taken VERY seriosly indeed, to avoid problems like too much overhead, crashes, etc... The rock-stable stuff, right ? Linux did a great job too, but I'm actually not familiar to it. The real point is: This "slow-growth" struc is not atractive to hackers/crackers, so they move to Linux (usually) and start coding for it. Do you guys feel you can convince a couple of newbies or good programers to start coding for FreeBSD ? And would them agree giving away their sources, to the rest of the world ? Well, if yes, you are both a great oportunity to the FReeBSD community. If not, Let us keep on giving our opinions about the FreeBSD Home Page that never changes, and where most of us, newbies (I myself am a two year newbie... I'ts two years I first bought my FBSD CD, but only now I could actually put it to work) egt lost after information. Let us keep trying to understand those huge and cryptographic MAN pages; They are good for those who already know how Unix - general Unix - work, but we get much more confused when we look at them (there are exceptions !!! Some pages are REALLY good !). Finally, Let us - why not - start a newbie gide ! Once I tryed to do it myself here in Brazil, but I couldn't, since my success was indeed limited. Now a fellow - Edson Brandi - started one in portuguese, and it helped me to put my system running; I am now starting to write my own experiences and problems, and he is publishing them. I believe that we could do the same here. Who among us is good at HTML, or has a good HTML editor ? I could translate Edson's texts, and we could start a site from somewhere ! Opinions ??? Best regards ! [May the force be with us, ppl ! I feel we can make the difference !] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 17:15:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16526 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:15:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from screamer.cftnet.com (screamer.cftnet.com [163.125.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16500 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sylvar@freenet5.afn.org) Received: from sylvar (tampappp309.net.usf.edu [131.247.174.20]) by screamer.cftnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA29647 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:15:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803210115.UAA29647@screamer.cftnet.com> From: "Ben Ostrowsky" Organization: Alachua Free-Net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:13:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3512EF36.F0E9B456@whoever.com> In-reply-to: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmmm....I didn't know that. I do believe that the BeOS project seems to > be quite promising. Sometimes I wish I had the funds in order to buy a > bunch of machines in order to play with different OS's If you're content to play with various OSs that run on the Intel architecture, perhaps the solution is a large hard drive. You'd be surprised at the price of a 6GB or 8GB drive these days. Ben (PS: At the risk of perpetuating that simply *awful* assertiveness that has plagued our peace-loving list, I too would welcome technical questions here. I also think it's only natural for a list to evolve into the forum its subscribers want to participate in.) -- What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 18:24:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA27296 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:24:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from europe.fox.net.au (hustler@europe.fox.net.au [203.36.8.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA27271 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:24:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hustler@europe.fox.net.au) Received: from localhost (hustler@localhost) by europe.fox.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22658 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:26:21 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:26:21 +1100 (EST) From: "A. Specht" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: while the linux/freebsd debates are up... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe freebsd-newbies To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 19:22:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05889 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA05883 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:22:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (kaput@aeiusrF-01.aei.ca [206.186.205.1]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09679; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:19:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:15:27 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Capriotti CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know that FreeBSD is more centralised, and I know the differancy between it and Linux :-) Ok, right, we are newbie :-) But we can start project, who are not of coding, like you say: we can do HTML and text for newbie. Because if some patient advanced user can help us, tomorow, we will not be newbie, and we should do something to help, or to use the Personnal Computer we have in hand. Some newbie guy e-mailed me for the idea of FUG, but they are newbie. And I agree with you than Advanced user have no time for us. But they should! Today we are newbie, tomorow we will be advanced user. And if we run FreeBSD as advanced user, its an advantage for the freebsd comunity! I know that its long, but with good explanation, you can do a lot of thing more rapidly. We can write, so its ok. :-) We can do a central, for newbie to FreeBSD. Because if FreeBSD work with newbie, some day those newbie will be advanced user. And if they have advanced user, they have more power. Its just to use it. And right now, I know than a lot of people, more than you think, have the CD of FreeBSD, but dont know *how to* so they use Win95... I have finded than all book on the subject talk about boring hardware. Hardware is important, but like me, when you dont know how to use MAN correctly... :-) So I have 3 project: Like yours, an easy FreeBSD manual, after than all is installed who just talk about administration. And as someone from Hong Kong e-mailed me, I can see than we talk a lot of language! And with a lot of example. So, if us, newbie, do a manual, we will understand more easily. My second project is FUG, (Freebsd User Group) and if some admin on this list can e-mail me for give me information on how I can submit that project... :-) And the last, would be a channel for newbie who use freebsd. Like #bsd-newbie on undernet or some server like that. I just want than some Admin in FreeBSD project take consideration of newbie and of there problems-a lot or problems... So, we are not alone in the dark, I wish :-) cya KapuT *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** Capriotti wrote: > Dear Joey and KapuT. > > Several points on what you both just said are true, but the main problem > with FreeBSD today is partialy caused by it's best part: > > Centralization. > > A code, once it is written, will not be included as part of FreeBSD at > once; It will first be tested - a LOT ! - and next released as alpha, beta, > and so on. > > PPL don't like it, but this is the way to make Free solid as a rock, and > that's why I chose FBSD, and many ppl too. > > It is never too much to mention companies like Sony Electronics and Yahoo, > that use FreeBSD, and not other comercial or free unix package. > > Be patient if you can't - like myself - code a progam. Coding could be the > best way to support free, but, on the ohter hand, opening a IRC channel > would also be great, but finding ppl to sit and answer is somtimes > difficult; Why ? Simple: Hackers (I'd better call them crackers, since they > break in systems. hackers build systems. They KNOW HOW to invade them, buy > they have their ethics - as I was saing, crackers don't like FreeBSD > because of this "slow-growth" structure. > > Example: FreeBSD is about to release the final and maybe stable version of > the SMP kernel. Linux has it for a long time ago. > > But I heard that planing on Free's SMP was taken VERY seriosly indeed, to > avoid problems like too much overhead, crashes, etc... The rock-stable > stuff, right ? > > Linux did a great job too, but I'm actually not familiar to it. > > The real point is: This "slow-growth" struc is not atractive to > hackers/crackers, so they move to Linux (usually) and start coding for it. > > Do you guys feel you can convince a couple of newbies or good programers to > start coding for FreeBSD ? And would them agree giving away their sources, > to the rest of the world ? > > Well, if yes, you are both a great oportunity to the FReeBSD community. > > If not, Let us keep on giving our opinions about the FreeBSD Home Page that > never changes, and where most of us, newbies (I myself am a two year > newbie... I'ts two years I first bought my FBSD CD, but only now I could > actually put it to work) egt lost after information. > > Let us keep trying to understand those huge and cryptographic MAN pages; > They are good for those who already know how Unix - general Unix - work, > but we get much more confused when we look at them (there are exceptions > !!! Some pages are REALLY good !). > > Finally, Let us - why not - start a newbie gide ! Once I tryed to do it > myself here in Brazil, but I couldn't, since my success was indeed limited. > Now a fellow - Edson Brandi - started one in portuguese, and it helped me > to put my system running; I am now starting to write my own experiences and > problems, and he is publishing them. > > I believe that we could do the same here. Who among us is good at HTML, or > has a good HTML editor ? > > I could translate Edson's texts, and we could start a site from somewhere ! > > Opinions ??? > > Best regards ! [May the force be with us, ppl ! I feel we can make the > difference !] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 19:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06613 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:33:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA06608 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ABAMFICI@aol.com) Received: from ABAMFICI@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id HFMHa03894 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:32:45 -0500 (EST) From: ABAMF ICI Message-ID: <3d01889f.351334df@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:32:45 EST To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: while the linux/freebsd debates are up... Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 98-03-20 21:38:46 EST, you write: > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies was my post _that_ bad? ~Kevin :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 19:46:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07722 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:46:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07714 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:46:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (aeiusrF-01.aei.ca [206.186.205.1]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA12877 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:46:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35133734.B3E3969C@whoever.com> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:42:44 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Interesting FreeBSD handbook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Newbie, go check that http://www.vmunix.com/fbsd-book/ -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 20:50:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14981 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from pineapple.theshop.net (pineapple.theshop.net [208.128.7.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA14767 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from photon@photons.net) Received: from photons.net (guava7.theshop.net [208.128.7.27]) by pineapple.theshop.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20733 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:43:20 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <351346FC.F38B1686@photons.net> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:50:05 -0600 From: Photon Blizzard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [Fwd: Welcome to freebsd-chat] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------855313AEA8ECD43B2011B0D1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------855313AEA8ECD43B2011B0D1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------855313AEA8ECD43B2011B0D1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) by pineapple.theshop.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20609 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:40:46 -0600 (CST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14082; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:47:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:47:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803210447.UAA14082@hub.freebsd.org> To: photon@photons.net From: Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Welcome to freebsd-chat Reply-To: Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text -- Welcome to the freebsd-chat mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe freebsd-chat or from another account, besides photon@photons.net: unsubscribe freebsd-chat photon@photons.net If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: FREEBSD-CHAT Non technical items related to the community This list contains the overflow from the other lists about non-technical, social information. It includes discussion about whether Jordan looks like a tune ferret or not, whether or not to type in capitals, who is drinking too much coffee, where the best beer is brewed, who is brewing beer in their basement, and so on. Occasional announcements of important events (such as upcoming parties, weddings, births, new jobs, etc) can be made to the technical lists, but the follow ups should be directed to this list. --------------855313AEA8ECD43B2011B0D1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 21:04:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16842 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:04:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voicenet.com (mail11.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16836 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:04:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@voicenet.com) Received: (qmail 8572 invoked from network); 21 Mar 1998 05:04:04 -0000 Received: from paoli30-pri.voicenet.com (HELO voicenet.com) (207.103.119.94) by mail11.voicenet.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1998 05:04:04 -0000 Message-ID: <35134B26.C0E8D47A@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:07:50 -0500 From: Peter Schwenk Organization: Schwenk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Harding CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I looked it up, and it doesn't say anything about third edition: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=1571762167/1792-8142854-436093 Sean Harding wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > > > 800 pages? Mine is more than twice that size, it's a monster! I once dropped > > it on my foot and couldn't get up from the computer chair for three days :-) > > Amazon.com lists it at 800 pages even. 3rd edition...I don't have it, so I > couldn't comment on how many pages mine seems to have . > > Sean > > -- > "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." > --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" > Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu > http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- - Peter Schwenk - schwenk@voicenet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 21:10:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA17662 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA17598 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26873; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:09:30 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321160927.60170@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:09:27 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: Photon Blizzard Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Welcome to freebsd-chat] References: <351346FC.F38B1686@photons.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <351346FC.F38B1686@photons.net>; from Photon Blizzard on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:50:05PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:50:05PM -0600, Photon Blizzard wrote: > > Welcome to the freebsd-chat mailing list! I think you might be trying to demonstrate a point that I agree with. The mailing list descriptions don't make sense from our perspective. If you're a hacker and assume everyone else is too, then they make sense. Freebsd-chat is for the people who know most about FreeBSD. They have been there a long time and have their own social group established. It's comfortable. They don't talk about things that newbies talk about, and don't want to. > Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, > in case you don't already have it: > > FREEBSD-CHAT Non technical items related to the community The meaning of the term "community" is changing. If I understand correctly, we are not part of the freebsd-chat community, but we are part of "the community" > This list contains the overflow from the other lists about Meaning other highly technical lists. "technical" is another word I'm having difficulty interpreting. I consider a basic man page technical, but they're looking at things so technical that I can't even imagine what they are. > non-technical, social information. It includes discussion about > whether Jordan looks like a tune ferret or not, whether or not to > type in capitals, who is drinking too much coffee, where the best > beer is brewed, who is brewing beer in their basement, and so on. > Occasional announcements of important events (such as upcoming > parties, weddings, births, new jobs, etc) can be made to the > technical lists, but the follow ups should be directed to this list. This reads as if it's written for a group of people who already know each other pretty well. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 21:16:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18197 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from c00163-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu (c00163-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu [152.1.29.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18118 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arlankfo@eos.ncsu.edu) From: arlankfo@eos.ncsu.edu Received: (from arlankfo@localhost) by c00163-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu (8.8.4/UC02Jan97) id AAA09197; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:16:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803210516.AAA09197@c00163-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Customizing xdm config files: Making the ultimate login screen Date: Sat, 21 Mar 98 00:16:09 EST Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The nice thing about Xsession is that you can start three processes simultaneously like so: program1& program2& program3 ...And when you kill program3, the Xsession script finishes and xdm massacres the other processes program1 and program2. All nice and good. However, when you include the same three lines in Xsetup0, all three programs continue to run even after the user logs in. And since root owns them, a user can't simply kill them in Xsession. My question is this: is there a simple Bourne shell command that will start a bunch of programs and then kill them off when a user logs in successfully (or when Xsetup0 finishes)? Andy L. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 21:17:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA18462 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from voicenet.com (mail11.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA18431 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@voicenet.com) Received: (qmail 14507 invoked from network); 21 Mar 1998 05:17:03 -0000 Received: from paoli48-pri.voicenet.com (HELO voicenet.com) (207.103.119.112) by mail11.voicenet.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 1998 05:17:03 -0000 Message-ID: <35134E32.E65B7200@voicenet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:20:50 -0500 From: Peter Schwenk Organization: Schwenk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Linux vs. FreeBSD [was: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives]] References: <19980320091216.18372@mojo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy, I can't speak directly to your experiences because I've used Linux and FreeBSD as a home O/S, and I shut my computer down frequently. I've settled on FreeBSD because, like you said, it has a more "professional" feel to it. I'm a little more nervous about the mob-development model that Linux uses. I do a lot of lurking in the Linux and FreeBSD mailing lists, and I get the feeling that the FreeBSD is more closely-knit. I don't mind the slower pace. I don't have exotic hardware at home, so I'm served quite nicely by FreeBSD. Bottom line is I'm constantly amazed by the free software movement in general and the quality software that is produced. At this point, I couldn't live without the efforts of these geniuses. Anton Angelo wrote: > [stuff removed] > I want to start a bit of a religious discussion comparing FreeBSD to > Linux (specifically slackware). > > My experience is limited, but I have run a slackware box for a couple of > years, and have started tinkering with FreeBSD in the last 6 months. I > like the prefessional "feel" of FreeBSD, but the box does fall over for > no reason that I. with only half a clue or less, cannot understand. My > linux box however stood up for 150 days on a 386 with 4Meg RAM handling > loadsaemail and even ran tin. ( a feat in itself in 4Meg :) > > It collapsed when the uptime figure got too large (well, that was the > only reason I could work out...) > > So it seems to me that Slackware was "more stable" than FreeBSD. > > > > Nonetheless I'm moving my personal unix boxen to FreeBSD (apart > from the 386 which I was thinking about seeing if I could get the source > for minix for for a laugh) because its far easier to maintain - you have > to love that ports collection. > > Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for > FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to > admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! > > aa > -- > Nether Poppleton (n. obsolete) > A pair of P. J. Proby's trousers. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- - Peter Schwenk - schwenk@voicenet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 22:05:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26134 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:05:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from proxy3.ba.best.com (root@proxy3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26119 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from newshirt@best.com) Received: from newshirt.vip.best.com (newshirt.vip.best.com [206.86.1.143]) by proxy3.ba.best.com (8.8.8/8.8.BEST) with SMTP id WAA03595; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:03:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199803210603.WAA03595@proxy3.ba.best.com> X-Sender: newshirt@shell7.ba.best.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:55:56 -0800 To: Sue Blake From: tony cappellini Subject: Re: bsd install (Lehey's book on BSD?) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19980320190145.39102@welearn.com.au> References: <19980320182859.57278@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue >Well the last numbered page in my book here says 1725 and I do believe it. >I wonder where they got 800 from, unless it was "almost 1800" and a bit >fell off :-) > >> 3rd edition... > >What? Nah, the 2nd edition has only just come out this year. >Somebody somewhere is very confused. I'll take a look and maybe tell >someone if it needs fixing. Probably nobody's ever noticed before. I just bought Greg's book, the 2nd edition, 1725 pages, 4 CDroms, FBSD 2.25, $39.95 Tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 22:18:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA27651 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA27630 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA27058; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:18:22 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321171815.17779@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:18:15 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: KapuT Cc: Capriotti , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com>; from KapuT on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:15:27PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:15:27PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > So I have 3 project: > Like yours, an easy FreeBSD manual, after than all is installed who just talk > about administration. And as someone from Hong Kong e-mailed me, I can see > than we talk a lot of language! And with a lot of example. So, if us, newbie, > do a manual, we will understand more easily. If a lot of people are going to write manuals, do you think it'd be a good idea to check who is writing on which topics, so that we don't end up with some parts missing and others duplicated? Have you seen what is being done already by the FreeBSD documentation project? They're working on multiple languages too. I'll see if the guy who's organising it can give us a simple summary of what is happening. > My second project is FUG, (Freebsd User Group) and if some admin on this list > can e-mail me for give me information on how I can submit that project... :-) That depends on what you want to do. Do you want to start a User Group in your local area? Bravo! Go right ahead. I'm a little unlcear about what you want to submit, and why you would have to. > And the last, would be a channel for newbie who use freebsd. > Like #bsd-newbie > on undernet or some server like that. I think that there's #freebsd on dalnet and maybe undernet too. There's nothing to stop you from opening #bsd-newbie if you want to. In fact I think it's a wonderful idea! Would you want someone to be there who can answer questions? If so, do you know anyone who'd be prepared to do that? Anyway, you don't have to ask permission. > I just want than some Admin in FreeBSD project take consideration of > newbie and of there problems-a lot or problems... They want to, so let's see if we can agree on what our problems are and what it is that we need to overcome them. > So, we are not alone in the dark, I wish :-) No need to wish. You have all the light you want already. Work with the people who do the work, not against them, and they'll always listen to you. Keep those ideas flowing! -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 22:43:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01091 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:43:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA01080 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:43:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (kaput@pm02-08.aei.ca [206.123.6.133]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28174; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:43:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 01:39:21 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> <19980321171815.17779@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, right I want to do like on BeOS www.be.com They have implanted on there web site, to support people, a BUG "Be User Group" And its very cool because when you do a BUG, its an help for all people of that town. I have currently my own FUG (Freebsd User Group)but I want than www.freebsd.org create a page where would be 1: how to create a FUG and register it 2: list of FUG by town or states or province... FUG is just a central place for people in one town where they can have help and all of that stuff. for more information and models of user group, see http://www.be.com/usergroups/index.html For the manual, I just want to create something who do not talk about harware: just admin and getting started with command like "ls" "pwd" and more advanced stuff with a *lot* of exemple really made for newbie. For the last, I need a shell or someone with a bot or W or X on undernet. Someone wana help? I'm open minded so, lets talk about it. KapuT *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** Sue Blake wrote: > On Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:15:27PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > > > So I have 3 project: > > Like yours, an easy FreeBSD manual, after than all is installed who just talk > > about administration. And as someone from Hong Kong e-mailed me, I can see > > than we talk a lot of language! And with a lot of example. So, if us, newbie, > > do a manual, we will understand more easily. > > If a lot of people are going to write manuals, do you think it'd be a good > idea to check who is writing on which topics, so that we don't end up with > some parts missing and others duplicated? Have you seen what is being done > already by the FreeBSD documentation project? They're working on multiple > languages too. I'll see if the guy who's organising it can give us a simple > summary of what is happening. > > > My second project is FUG, (Freebsd User Group) and if some admin on this list > > can e-mail me for give me information on how I can submit that project... :-) > > That depends on what you want to do. Do you want to start a User Group in > your local area? Bravo! Go right ahead. I'm a little unlcear about what you > want to submit, and why you would have to. > > > And the last, would be a channel for newbie who use freebsd. > > Like #bsd-newbie > > on undernet or some server like that. > > I think that there's #freebsd on dalnet and maybe undernet too. There's > nothing to stop you from opening #bsd-newbie if you want to. In fact I think > it's a wonderful idea! Would you want someone to be there who can answer > questions? If so, do you know anyone who'd be prepared to do that? Anyway, > you don't have to ask permission. > > > I just want than some Admin in FreeBSD project take consideration of > > newbie and of there problems-a lot or problems... > > They want to, so let's see if we can agree on what our problems are > and what it is that we need to overcome them. > > > So, we are not alone in the dark, I wish :-) > > No need to wish. You have all the light you want already. Work with the > people who do the work, not against them, and they'll always listen to you. > > Keep those ideas flowing! > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 23:10:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA04155 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA04112 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:10:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27181; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:08:54 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321180851.18258@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:08:51 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: KapuT Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> <19980321171815.17779@welearn.com.au> <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com>; from KapuT on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500, KapuT wrote: > For the manual, I just want to create something who do not talk about harware: just > admin and getting started with command like "ls" "pwd" and more advanced stuff with a > *lot* of exemple really made for newbie. There's a lot of material around that helps with unix commands. http://www-wks.uts.ohio-state.edu/unix_course/unix.html http://theory/uwinnipeg.ca/UNIXhelp/ For more stuff on both unix and administration, try http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ and look for its suggested references in chapter 24 and 25 We've already talked about The Complete FreeBSD. Can anyone suggest books or on line documents that they've found useful? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 23:30:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05943 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05876 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:30:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27226; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:29:55 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980321182951.55355@welearn.com.au> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:29:51 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: KapuT Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> <19980321171815.17779@welearn.com.au> <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com>; from KapuT on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500, KapuT wrote: > Ok, right > I want to do like on BeOS www.be.com > They have implanted on there web site, to support people, a BUG "Be User > Group" And its very cool because when you do a BUG, its an help for all > people of that town. > > I have currently my own FUG (Freebsd User Group)but I want than > www.freebsd.org create a page where would be > 1: how to create a FUG and register it > 2: list of FUG by town or states or province... > > FUG is just a central place for people in one town where they can have > help and all of that stuff. > > for more information and models of user group, see > http://www.be.com/usergroups/index.html Yes, that does make it look appealing. They probably have paid staff to do some of those things, but it's not much more than our volunteers do. Have you seen http://www.freebsd.org/support.html where it has a section on user groups? What we're missing at the moment is information about how to get a group onto that list, and whether there's any requirements. > For the last, I need a shell or someone with a bot > or W or X on undernet. Someone wana help? > > I'm open minded so, lets talk about it. Try asking Studded@dal.net. He's been telling me he really likes helping newbies with FreeBSD and he runs dalnet so it looks like you're in luck there! -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Mar 20 23:32:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA06613 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ophelia.uoregon.edu (sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu [128.223.194.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA06608 for ; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Received: from localhost (sharding@localhost) by ophelia.uoregon.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02003; Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:32:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sharding@ophelia.uoregon.edu) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:32:30 -0800 (PST) From: Sean Harding Reply-To: Sean Harding To: Sue Blake cc: KapuT , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <19980321180851.18258@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > Can anyone suggest books or on line documents that they've found useful? If you're looking to learn more serious admin stuff, there's no substitute for "Unix System Administration Handbook," often referred to as "the red book." ISBN 0131510517. It's not what you want to get to originally learn Unix, but once you are up to speed on the basics, this book is truly wonderful. It's the one book that always sits on my desk and never returns to the shelf :-) Sean -- "Believe me, the truth is we're not honest. Not the people that we dream." --10,000 Maniacs, "Eden" Sean Harding, sharding@oregon.uoregon.edu http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~sharding/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 02:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA20286 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 02:03:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from muddy.mojo.org (anton@muddy.mojo.org [194.159.247.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA20278 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 02:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@muddy.mojo.org) Received: (from anton@localhost) by muddy.mojo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA07182 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:03:14 GMT Message-ID: <19980321100223.07753@mojo.org> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:02:23 +0000 From: Anton Angelo To: ABAMF ICI Subject: Re: while the linux/freebsd debates are up... References: <3d01889f.351334df@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <3d01889f.351334df@aol.com>; from ABAMF ICI on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 10:32:45PM -0500 x-url: http://www.clues.com/~anton x-erox: doughnuts Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ABAMF ICI (ABAMFICI@aol.com) said: > In a message dated 98-03-20 21:38:46 EST, you write: > > > unsubscribe freebsd-newbies > > was my post _that_ bad? Hehehe, I don't think so.... On your original topic I think my experiences about which one is more "stable" between slackware and freebsd is contrary to most others, which I am not unpleased about. When I installed Linux for the first time I was shit scared. I had one of the developers for it as my only source of help, and though he is a kernal hacker extrodinaire, he was very poor at explaining stuff. (he was also emacsen, but thats another religious war for another day :) It was complicated and unwieldy, but I had time and patience, and I plugged away modifying Makefiles and generally spodding my time away. Theseadays I can't be arsed to install software like that, or maintain upgrades constantly, so FreeBSD with its ports and packages collections is a complete boon. I haven't got as far as automatically "keeping current", but thats the next step. Its a dream for someone like me who relies on his machines to keep in contact with the rest of the world, wants to plough something back into the net-community (I host a few mailing lists), and wants the nice toys with no fuss. Ever installed X on a linux box from scratch? Done it with FreeBSD? I know which way left my brain unhurt. I suppose what I'm saying is I am no developer, hardly an administrator, I'm a reasonably clueful user and FreeBSD is perfect for me. Cheers, aa -- Deal (n.) The gummy substance found between damp toes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 03:36:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA26116 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:36:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from muddy.mojo.org (anton@muddy.mojo.org [194.159.247.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA26076 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:36:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anton@muddy.mojo.org) Received: (from anton@localhost) by muddy.mojo.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA07633; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:36:36 GMT Message-ID: <19980321113634.07117@mojo.org> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:36:34 +0000 From: "anton f.angelo" To: Studded Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <35130A13.E37B998B@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <35130A13.E37B998B@dal.net>; from Studded on Fri, Mar 20, 1998 at 04:30:11PM -0800 x-url: http://www.clues.com/~anton x-erox: doughnuts Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Studded (Studded@dal.net) said: > Joey Garcia wrote: > > > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more > > publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of > > the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". > > They ran linux on the titanic? That explains a lot. :) leo@titanic:bash$ Unexpected iceberg event. kernel panic. aa -- Hockering (pt. vb.) Shouting at your wife because your boss shouted at you because his wife shouted at him. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 08:06:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA21739 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:06:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from tungsten (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21713 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:06:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shesha@btinternet.com) Received: from system965 [195.99.49.216] by tungsten with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yGQmx-0002tj-00; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:06:28 +0000 Message-ID: <006c01bd54e3$80f940d0$d83163c3@system965> Reply-To: "Nawaf Razak" From: "Nawaf Razak" To: Subject: Recommended Reading Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:07:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD54E3.7F4C2D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD54E3.7F4C2D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am not sure if these going to be helpful, but they are what I read and = they have helped me to slowly grasp the Unix world. Learning Unix Second Edition - Sams Publishing - James Gardner (Unix in = General) The first one on the list I found to be very helpful and simple to = understand it even comes with a disk that emulates a unix environment = and even starts you off with a couple of moves such as ls, pwd, more , = vi, grep , explanation of the unix directory etc etc.. Unix for Dummies 2nd Edition - IDG BOOKS - John R. Levine, Margaret = Levine Young (Unix in General) For anyone that thats been to the = computer bookstore or book section am sure you have landed on these = before they the ones that stick out very distinct in color yellow, and = always has the 2 milllion sold emblem on them. Simple but just as a = source of reference. Running Linux 2nd Edition - Matt Welsh and Lauren Kaufman (Linux RH = orientated but does give you a good perspective on the Unix) This one is = very good especially if you are into RH but have to admit some sections = do come in handy and it's not technically written, however please do = read it first to get an idea of it. The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey 2nd Edition (FreeBSD) The must dont = think I could have managed an install for FreeBSD without this book, = think this one would be a wise investment however I would not consider = it to be the only manual to have for running FreeBSD, I found it to be = hard at time to follow in certain sections, anyways, think another book = on the side would also be helpful always better to have to types of = writing styles to explain to you when you are going to venture out into = something new. Of course there are plenty of websites out there that are very helpful, = but nothing better than to try things out for yourself, just dont give = up trying, you will eventually get there, I did after 2 hours but thats = cause I had some experience with Linux, besides you'll make things so = much easier for yourself if you just read the first couple of pages on = how to install FreeBSD. :) Best of luck for you all By the way am a newbie ... "Anger is the wind that blows out the lamp of intelligence" ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD54E3.7F4C2D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Am not sure if these going to be helpful, but they = are what I=20 read and they have helped me to slowly grasp the Unix = world.
 
Learning Unix Second Edition - Sams Publishing - = James Gardner=20 (Unix in General)
The first one on the list I found to = be very=20 helpful and simple to understand it even comes with a disk that emulates = a unix=20 environment and even starts you off with a  couple of moves such as = ls,=20 pwd, more , vi, grep , explanation of the unix directory etc=20 etc..
 
Unix for Dummies 2nd Edition - IDG BOOKS - John R. = Levine,=20 Margaret Levine Young (Unix in General) For anyone that thats been to = the=20 computer bookstore or book section am sure you have landed on these = before they=20 the ones that stick out very distinct in color yellow, and always has = the 2=20 milllion sold emblem on them. Simple but just as a source of=20 reference.
 
Running Linux = 2nd Edition -=20 Matt Welsh and Lauren Kaufman (Linux RH orientated but does give you a = good=20 perspective on the Unix) This one is very good especially if you are = into RH but=20 have to admit some sections do come in handy and it's not technically = written,=20 however please do read it first to get an idea of it.
 
The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey 2nd Edition = (FreeBSD) The=20 must dont think I could have managed an install for FreeBSD without this = book,=20 think this one would be a wise investment however I would not consider = it to be=20 the only manual to have for running FreeBSD, I found it to be hard at = time to=20 follow in certain sections, anyways, think another book on the side = would also=20 be helpful always better to have to types of writing styles to explain = to you=20 when you are going to venture out into something new.
 
Of course there are plenty of websites out there = that are very=20 helpful, but nothing better than to try things out for yourself, just = dont give=20 up trying, you will eventually get there, I did after 2 hours but thats = cause I=20 had some experience with Linux, besides you'll make things so much = easier for=20 yourself if you just read the first couple of pages on how to install = FreeBSD.=20 :)
 
Best of luck for you all
 
By the way am a newbie ...
 
"Anger is the wind that blows out the lamp of=20 intelligence"
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01BD54E3.7F4C2D10-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 08:41:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA25761 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:41:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA25755 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (dialA29.aei.ca [206.123.6.61]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13527; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:40:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3513ECA2.4D1DEE7E@whoever.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:36:50 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group References: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> <351330CF.4B40FC5@whoever.com> <19980321171815.17779@welearn.com.au> <35136098.605FA25A@whoever.com> <19980321182951.55355@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Coool :-) Ok, I will check that. But if the can do a link to that part on the page, a visible link, more people will go on with that. Presently, there is only 9 user group, and there are widely classified! KapuT Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500, KapuT wrote: > > Ok, right > > I want to do like on BeOS www.be.com > > They have implanted on there web site, to support people, a BUG "Be User > > Group" And its very cool because when you do a BUG, its an help for all > > people of that town. > > > > I have currently my own FUG (Freebsd User Group)but I want than > > www.freebsd.org create a page where would be > > 1: how to create a FUG and register it > > 2: list of FUG by town or states or province... > > > > FUG is just a central place for people in one town where they can have > > help and all of that stuff. > > > > for more information and models of user group, see > > http://www.be.com/usergroups/index.html > > Yes, that does make it look appealing. They probably have paid staff to do > some of those things, but it's not much more than our volunteers do. Have > you seen http://www.freebsd.org/support.html where it has a section on user > groups? > > What we're missing at the moment is information about how to get a group > onto that list, and whether there's any requirements. > > > For the last, I need a shell or someone with a bot > > or W or X on undernet. Someone wana help? > > > > I'm open minded so, lets talk about it. > > Try asking Studded@dal.net. He's been telling me he really likes helping > newbies with FreeBSD and he runs dalnet so it looks like you're in luck there! > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 11:20:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10285 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from trojan.troyst.edu (trojan.troyst.edu [198.179.130.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10045 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:18:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjadcock@trojan.troyst.edu) Received: from [198.179.130.17] by trojan.troyst.edu (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA35188; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:16:33 -0600 Received: by bite-me with Microsoft Mail id <01BD54CB.C97C4220@bite-me>; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:18:07 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD54CB.C97C4220@bite-me> From: Matthew Adcock To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: FW: Xwindow: Installation p.237 The Complete FreeBSD Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:00:30 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A list of errata (errata-2) can be found at: ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2 Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 12:30:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23110 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from const. (fern26.verinet.com [199.45.181.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23104 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:30:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from allenc@verinet.com) Received: (from allenc@localhost) by const. (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28859; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:31:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from allenc) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:31:02 -0700 (MST) From: allen campbell Message-Id: <199803212031.NAA28859@const.> To: anton@mojo.org Subject: Re: Newbies list [was: partition spanning multiple drives] Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <01bd5430$2bb3a9c0$0201010a@elmo> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Speaking of which - can anyone recommend a free IMAP4 server for >FreeBSD? Also is Qmail in the ports collection, I'm not smart enough to >admin sendmail and I refuse to learn M4 just to build a config file! Install the ports collection it you haven't already. Cd to /usr/ports. Type make search key=imap or make search key=qmail A list of all of the existing ports containing the key= will appear. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:01:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29635 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:01:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29544 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:00:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from npratt@earthling.net) Received: from earthling.net (c6ppp155.ecom.net [207.155.74.155]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA03137 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:00:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35142ACA.21C82270@earthling.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:02:02 -0800 From: Noah Oak Pratt Reply-To: npratt@earthling.net Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems + Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group (Titanic?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joey Garcia wrote: > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more > publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of > the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". One good thing about that is that, at > least it was a free-unix machine and not a Windows machine that did the > work. :) > Joey Bear Garcia > I'm probably just completely ignorant, but could someone please explain this reference to Linux in association the Titanic? Thanks. -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:02:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00216 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:02:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29968 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:01:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3g-43.pacificnet.net (pm3g-43.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.92]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16367; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:59:55 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:00:03 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Studded cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <35130A13.E37B998B@dal.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually the scenes of the ship sailing through the water and all the water and wave scenew were rendered using Linux. Have no idea what software they used on it though. Would be interesting to find out. Bear =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Studded wrote: > Joey Garcia wrote: > > > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more > > publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of > > the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". > > They ran linux on the titanic? That explains a lot. :) > > Doug > > -- > *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** > *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest > *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. > *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:05:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01627 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:05:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ren.globecomm.net (ren.globecomm.net [207.51.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA01525 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:05:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from npratt@earthling.net) Received: from earthling.net (c6ppp155.ecom.net [207.155.74.155]) by ren.globecomm.net (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA05251 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:05:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35142BE2.3FE7514A@earthling.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:06:44 -0800 From: Noah Oak Pratt Reply-To: npratt@earthling.net Organization: AlphaBit Computer Systems + Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freebsd Installtion (was Re: Hi) References: <199803191951.OAA08249@crism.ne.mediaone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christopher R. Maden wrote: > My installation was fun. I had Win95 because I needed it for the > cable modem installation (they won't install if you're running > anything else, and they won't let you install it yourself). They will install cable modems on Macs!(Hey, it'd be better than nothing...) > > > - -crism > - -- > A Microsoft-free household. > > Just my 2c. -Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:10:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02468 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02460 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3g-43.pacificnet.net (pm3g-43.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.92]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17554; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:08:21 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:08:19 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Capriotti cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19691231210000.00c45920@pop.mpc.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I said once that I had a link to a "Newbie FreeBSD Book", well I finally found it. (I have a cluttered Bookmark.html) Anyways, you can find this book at www.vmunix.com I think that's it. But you can try .org or something if it's not .com. Basically, it's in the process of being written and most of the stuff is online. Although, I prefer printed texts rather than online texts. I mean when your computer fails to work, all the online html in the world won't do any good I guess. Anyways, I do have some web space to burn, and I could use some HTML practice. I used to code HTML alot, but then I lost interest in it a couple of years ago. Things have changed alot since then, but it's not all that much different. Joey Bear Garcia =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Capriotti wrote: > Dear Joey and KapuT. > > > Several points on what you both just said are true, but the main problem > with FreeBSD today is partialy caused by it's best part: > > Centralization. > > A code, once it is written, will not be included as part of FreeBSD at > once; It will first be tested - a LOT ! - and next released as alpha, beta, > and so on. > > PPL don't like it, but this is the way to make Free solid as a rock, and > that's why I chose FBSD, and many ppl too. > > It is never too much to mention companies like Sony Electronics and Yahoo, > that use FreeBSD, and not other comercial or free unix package. > > Be patient if you can't - like myself - code a progam. Coding could be the > best way to support free, but, on the ohter hand, opening a IRC channel > would also be great, but finding ppl to sit and answer is somtimes > difficult; Why ? Simple: Hackers (I'd better call them crackers, since they > break in systems. hackers build systems. They KNOW HOW to invade them, buy > they have their ethics - as I was saing, crackers don't like FreeBSD > because of this "slow-growth" structure. > > Example: FreeBSD is about to release the final and maybe stable version of > the SMP kernel. Linux has it for a long time ago. > > But I heard that planing on Free's SMP was taken VERY seriosly indeed, to > avoid problems like too much overhead, crashes, etc... The rock-stable > stuff, right ? > > Linux did a great job too, but I'm actually not familiar to it. > > The real point is: This "slow-growth" struc is not atractive to > hackers/crackers, so they move to Linux (usually) and start coding for it. > > Do you guys feel you can convince a couple of newbies or good programers to > start coding for FreeBSD ? And would them agree giving away their sources, > to the rest of the world ? > > Well, if yes, you are both a great oportunity to the FReeBSD community. > > If not, Let us keep on giving our opinions about the FreeBSD Home Page that > never changes, and where most of us, newbies (I myself am a two year > newbie... I'ts two years I first bought my FBSD CD, but only now I could > actually put it to work) egt lost after information. > > Let us keep trying to understand those huge and cryptographic MAN pages; > They are good for those who already know how Unix - general Unix - work, > but we get much more confused when we look at them (there are exceptions > !!! Some pages are REALLY good !). > > Finally, Let us - why not - start a newbie gide ! Once I tryed to do it > myself here in Brazil, but I couldn't, since my success was indeed limited. > Now a fellow - Edson Brandi - started one in portuguese, and it helped me > to put my system running; I am now starting to write my own experiences and > problems, and he is publishing them. > > I believe that we could do the same here. Who among us is good at HTML, or > has a good HTML editor ? > > I could translate Edson's texts, and we could start a site from somewhere ! > > Opinions ??? > > Best regards ! [May the force be with us, ppl ! I feel we can make the > difference !] > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA03216 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:13:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA03180 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:12:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3g-43.pacificnet.net (pm3g-43.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.92]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA17888; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:51 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:10:49 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Ben Ostrowsky cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <199803210115.UAA29647@screamer.cftnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You do have a point, with a larger disk drive I can partition it and run multiple OS's. My 1.6 gig drive is barely big enough for win95 and Linux. Although, with a couple machines I can learn how to network them, play with IP Masquerading and stuff like that. All the network stuff is mind boggling to me. Joey =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ben Ostrowsky wrote: > > Hmmm....I didn't know that. I do believe that the BeOS project seems to > > be quite promising. Sometimes I wish I had the funds in order to buy a > > bunch of machines in order to play with different OS's > > If you're content to play with various OSs that run on the Intel > architecture, perhaps the solution is a large hard drive. You'd be > surprised at the price of a 6GB or 8GB drive these days. > > Ben > > (PS: At the risk of perpetuating that simply *awful* assertiveness that has > plagued our peace-loving list, I too would welcome technical questions > here. I also think it's only natural for a list to evolve into the forum > its subscribers want to participate in.) > > -- > What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 13:23:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA04985 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dt050n33.san.rr.com (@dt050n33.san.rr.com [204.210.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA04979 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:23:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt050n33.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17856; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:21:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <35142F76.1F542942@dal.net> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:21:58 -0800 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.6-BETA-0316 i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: npratt@earthling.net CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group (Titanic?) References: <35142ACA.21C82270@earthling.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Noah Oak Pratt wrote: > I'm probably just completely ignorant, but could someone please explain > this reference to Linux in association the Titanic? My understanding is that some or all of the computer graphics rendering was done on linux. If you've seen the movie you probably noticed that a lot of the long shots with people on the deck (especially the "helicopter" shots) are all computer graphics. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** *** Proud operator, designer and maintainer of the world's largest *** Internet Relay Chat server. 5,328 clients and still growing. *** Try spider.dal.net on ports 6662-4 (Powered by FreeBSD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 14:59:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16424 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:59:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from bistro.datasoup.com (root@datasoup.com [207.204.0.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16295 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 14:59:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from don@lloyd.org) Received: from [207.204.0.99] (circle-o-life.lloyd.org [207.204.0.99]) by bistro.datasoup.com (8.8.7/8.8.7/99.7-spamfree) with ESMTP id PAA13899; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:38:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35142F76.1F542942@dal.net> References: <35142ACA.21C82270@earthling.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:03:36 -0700 To: Studded From: "Don Lloyd Jr." Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group (Titanic?) Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Noah Oak Pratt wrote: > >> I'm probably just completely ignorant, but could someone please explain >> this reference to Linux in association the Titanic? > > My understanding is that some or all of the computer graphics rendering >was done on linux. If you've seen the movie you probably noticed that a >lot of the long shots with people on the deck (especially the >"helicopter" shots) are all computer graphics. > >Doug Hmmmm, I'll have to dig out my videotapes from the cable & FOX specials on the Titanic... If my memory serves me correctly, Digital Domain (who did all the computer-generated sequences) used Macintosh and SGI's to render the different scenes. Don ..just a small fan of the titanic Movie.....only seen the movie 5 times, my finance has seen it 6 times, and I've taped ALL the TV/Cable specials on the movie... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 16:11:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26780 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:11:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26768 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:11:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (oooooo@aeiusrD-02.aei.ca [206.186.204.152]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00457; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:09:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <351455E0.D0A634AC@whoever.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:05:52 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Don Lloyd Jr." CC: Studded , FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group (Titanic?) References: <35142ACA.21C82270@earthling.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.digital.com/info/alphaserver/products/render/titanic.html there you will find than they have runned on Alpha *not Intel* and there is link for Linux Don Lloyd Jr. wrote: > >Noah Oak Pratt wrote: > > > >> I'm probably just completely ignorant, but could someone please explain > >> this reference to Linux in association the Titanic? > > > > My understanding is that some or all of the computer graphics rendering > >was done on linux. If you've seen the movie you probably noticed that a > >lot of the long shots with people on the deck (especially the > >"helicopter" shots) are all computer graphics. > > > >Doug > > Hmmmm, I'll have to dig out my videotapes from the cable & FOX specials on > the Titanic... > > If my memory serves me correctly, Digital Domain (who did all the > computer-generated sequences) used Macintosh and SGI's to render the > different scenes. > > Don ..just a small fan of the titanic Movie.....only seen the movie 5 > times, my finance has seen it 6 times, and I've taped ALL the TV/Cable > specials on the movie... > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 17:20:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA08773 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08732 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:20:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3h-26.pacificnet.net (pm3h-26.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.123]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00642; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:18:49 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:18:59 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Sue Blake cc: KapuT , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <19980321182951.55355@welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 01:39:21AM -0500, KapuT wrote: > > Ok, right > > I want to do like on BeOS www.be.com > > They have implanted on there web site, to support people, a BUG "Be User > > Group" And its very cool because when you do a BUG, its an help for all > > people of that town. > > > > I have currently my own FUG (Freebsd User Group)but I want than > > www.freebsd.org create a page where would be > > 1: how to create a FUG and register it > > 2: list of FUG by town or states or province... > > > > FUG is just a central place for people in one town where they can have > > help and all of that stuff. > > > > for more information and models of user group, see > > http://www.be.com/usergroups/index.html > > Yes, that does make it look appealing. They probably have paid staff to do > some of those things, but it's not much more than our volunteers do. Have > you seen http://www.freebsd.org/support.html where it has a section on user > groups? > > What we're missing at the moment is information about how to get a group > onto that list, and whether there's any requirements. > Hell I know enough about HTML and a bit about CGI to help out with the web project. It does need some updating and stuff. And some nice features added, such as a User Group registry. Considering everything is so centralized with FreeBSD, maybe a FreeBSD experienced user can outline a course of study, or rules for asking help on freebsd-questions, or whatever, for User Groups to abide by in order to learn on FreeBSD. I'm still pushing for a FreeBSD magazine. Hell, even an online magazine would be cool, something ike www.linuxgazette.com Could be www.freebsdjournal.com or some crap like that. Know what I mean? Bear To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 17:30:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10102 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:30:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10053 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3h-26.pacificnet.net (pm3h-26.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.123]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03269; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:28:50 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:29:00 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Noah Oak Pratt cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group (Titanic?) In-Reply-To: <35142ACA.21C82270@earthling.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dewd, haven't ya read the newspapers, magazines, www.digital.com, www.linux.org, www.wired.com, etc etc. Linux was used to render the images on the movie Titanic. If you're in some other country that doesn't get US movies, then your just SOL. It was a great movie!! Bear =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Noah Oak Pratt wrote: > Joey Garcia wrote: > > > I too believe in more publicity for FreeBSD. Linux seems to get alot more > > publicity in the news and such. Hell, it was sort of big news because of > > the phenomenal hit movie "Titanic". One good thing about that is that, at > > least it was a free-unix machine and not a Windows machine that did the > > work. :) > > > Joey Bear Garcia > > > > I'm probably just completely ignorant, but could someone please explain > this reference to Linux in association the Titanic? > Thanks. > -Noah > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 17:33:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10893 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:33:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10743 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bear@pacificnet.net) Received: from pm3h-26.pacificnet.net (pm3h-26.pacificnet.net [207.171.35.123]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA03698; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:30:19 -0800 (PST) env-from (bear@pacificnet.net) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Garcia To: Noah Oak Pratt cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freebsd Installtion (was Re: Hi) In-Reply-To: <35142BE2.3FE7514A@earthling.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hehehe, they probably won't install on anything else other windows or macs boxes because they're probably morons that don't even know that there are other OS's in existence. :) Bear =================================================== Joseph Garcia Downey, CA bear@pacificnet.net "Dont drink and drive, you might spill the beer." =================================================== On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Noah Oak Pratt wrote: > > > Christopher R. Maden wrote: > > > My installation was fun. I had Win95 because I needed it for the > > cable modem installation (they won't install if you're running > > anything else, and they won't let you install it yourself). > > They will install cable modems on Macs!(Hey, it'd be better than > nothing...) > > > > > > > - -crism > > - -- > > A Microsoft-free household. > > > > > > Just my 2c. > -Noah > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 18:31:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18547 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:31:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.defraz.org (root@defraz.org [208.136.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18526 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@centrisys.com) Received: from erebus.artificers.net (SA5399-7-24.stic.net [207.71.51.70]) by dns.defraz.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02786; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:31:29 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:27:57 -0600 (CST) From: BJ Bell X-Sender: brian@erebus.artificers.net To: "anton f.angelo" cc: Studded , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FUG- FreeBSD User Group In-Reply-To: <19980321113634.07117@mojo.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org why is my signature file being pasted above my mail?! ---- No Compromise (No Regrets) BJ Bell (aka Artificer) brian@centrisys.com ---- > They ran linux on the titanic? That explains a lot. :) > > leo@titanic:bash$ > Unexpected iceberg event. kernel panic. actually the story is that the titanic was rendered on linux machines (to keep cost down :P) I don't want to get into a rant here but I've used linux for three years and it isnt all that bad. I've used freebsd for a couple of months and I like it as well. Linux, for me, was not that difficult to setup. I guess it just depends on what you learned from. When i first toyed with freebsd I found things difficult. Ive installed everything from scratch on both FreeBSD and Linux and each has its own little quirks and advantages. One thing I disliked about FreeBSD was its lack of good documentation. Linux blows freebsd away when it comes to comparing documentation projects. Maybe I can motivate some people to write some good documentation (i.e. setting up natd so other hosts behind your gateway can access the internet on one address). Also the primary reason I use unix clones at all is for programming (which I havnt had much time to do in a while) kernel hacking guides and unix programming tutorials, etc would be very appreciated. Anyways, this is just my thoughts on how to make fbsd better. more docs == better! :P BJ Bell (aka Artificer) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 18:41:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21016 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dns.defraz.org (root@defraz.org [208.136.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA20991 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:41:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@centrisys.com) Received: from erebus.artificers.net (SA5399-7-24.stic.net [207.71.51.70]) by dns.defraz.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA02815 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:42:19 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:38:47 -0600 (CST) From: BJ Bell X-Sender: brian@erebus.artificers.net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: redundancy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, After replying to like message 5 of 26 from this list i read the rest of the messages and realized there are like 6 other replys to the rendering stuff..sorry for the redundancy. However, I was serious about the documentation project, I think the fbsd doc project could use a lot. One of the reasons linux is as popular as it is, is because of its vast amounts of documentation. freebsd most likely beats linux as far as being robust and less buggy, if more documentation exists to help newbies get started then who knows what can happen. I'd love to be able to increase my coding knowledge base, unfortunatly that can get expensive :P. Any extremely compitant freebsd hacker out there want to write some good documentation? I'll help out where I can. BJ ---- No Compromise (No Regrets) BJ Bell (aka Artificer) brian@centrisys.com ---- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 20:04:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA29449 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:04:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29439 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:04:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (oooooo@aeiusrE-27.aei.ca [206.186.204.227]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24222 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:04:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <35148CCD.7CB64E84@whoever.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:00:13 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Project for newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, now, we are talking a lot, I will resume. Has newbie, we find than FreeBSD was not so documented, and there is a special lack of documentation for newbies. Not talking of hardware doc... We also find than Advanced User have no time for us ;-) And we find than there was no journal, the only sources of news is http://www.ca.freebsd.org/newsflash.html ***And someone know how many people run FreeBSD??????*** We have also find that it was boring to do comparaison of BSD and Linux :-) And there is no *real* page about FUG or User Group... And as I can read, we want to do something, so lets start a project in HTML, about BSD. Like a *printable* (because reading a manual on the web is hard :-/ ) manual-->WE know why we dont understand and how to explain it the more simply. So if we start a project like that, we will also know more thing :-) Lets talk about it ;-) cya KapuT PS:If you want to talk to me in real time, I'm on #BSD-Help on undernet -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 21:17:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07766 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from screamer.cftnet.com (screamer.cftnet.com [163.125.3.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07761 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sylvar@freenet5.afn.org) Received: from sylvar (ppp200-69.cftnet.com [163.125.200.69]) by screamer.cftnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id AAA11435 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:16:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803220516.AAA11435@screamer.cftnet.com> From: "Ben Ostrowsky" Organization: Alachua Free-Net To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:15:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Recommended Reading In-reply-to: <006c01bd54e3$80f940d0$d83163c3@system965> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can also find a reasonable selection of books online at http://www.mcp.com/personal/. It's a free service, and I like it. Ben -- What do you mean, "caffeine isn't a vitamin"? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 22:02:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11412 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:02:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11393 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:02:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29789; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:01:49 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980322170146.61900@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:01:46 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: BJ Bell Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: redundancy References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: ; from BJ Bell on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 08:38:47PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 08:38:47PM -0600, BJ Bell wrote: > Hey, > > After replying to like message 5 of 26 from this list i read the > rest of the messages and realized there are like 6 other replys to the > rendering stuff..sorry for the redundancy. Don't worry I didn't even notice, and we're all used to being redundant :-) > However, I was serious about the documentation project, I think the fbsd > doc project could use a lot. How much do you already know about the documentation project? A few weeks ago some of the guys working on the documentation project were saying things like what you're saying now. Have you spoken to any of them? I've asked for someone to come and explain to us what they do, in simple words, so we can all understand. They have to write everything in some special kind of SGML so that they can get output in different formats, like HTML, PDF, DOS text, etc etc. Then everyone can read it even if they're still running windoze. Some people are just writing the words, and if it's good they can ask someone to put it in the correct format and make it official. I think that's how it works, but I want to check. > if more documentation exists to help newbies get started then who knows > what can happen. We all know what can happen. There's just not enough people making it happen. > Any extremely compitant freebsd hacker out there want to write some good > documentation? There's lots of them, and they are already writing it. There's good hackers, good writers, and people who try to make sure that newbies can understand everything when it's done. They're all working together on this to make sure it's good. But I don't know how they could tell if it's good for us. > I'll help out where I can. Is anyone else interested in helping too? I think there's a few people already in the documentation project who are looking for someone to read their stuff to make sure it makes sense right now, but they haven't had many volunteers. They're starting a big effort to work on the Handbook and FAQ to make them easier to use, and there's a few other things being written so that newbies can understand them. One of the guys is organising people to help make sure the text files on the CD and FTP site (README and so on) are correct and make sense. There might be a lot of stuff happening we don't know about. How do you think we should tackle this? -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 22:21:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13778 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13772 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29845; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:21:19 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980322172115.20462@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:21:16 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: KapuT Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Project for newbies References: <35148CCD.7CB64E84@whoever.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <35148CCD.7CB64E84@whoever.com>; from KapuT on Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 11:00:13PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 11:00:13PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > Ok, now, we are talking a lot, I will resume. > Has newbie, we find than FreeBSD was not so documented, and there is a > special lack of documentation for newbies. Not talking of hardware > doc... > > We also find than Advanced User have no time for us ;-) > > And we find than there was no journal, the only sources of news is > http://www.ca.freebsd.org/newsflash.html > > ***And someone know how many people run FreeBSD??????*** > > We have also find that it was boring to do comparaison of BSD and Linux > :-) > > And there is no *real* page about FUG or User Group... > > And as I can read, we want to do something, so lets start a project in > HTML, about BSD. Like a *printable* (because reading a manual on the > web is hard :-/ ) manual-->WE know why we dont understand and how to > explain it the more simply. So if we start a project like that, we will > also know more thing :-) I'm not sure what you have in mind. Are you thinking of writing stuff for newbies to add to the FreeBSD documentation, or do you want to make them change it, or do you want to set up some documentation somewhere else away from the FreeBSD site? Of course the main point is getting the stuff written, but there are different ways to do it that will get you different kinds of help. It depends on what you want. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 22:51:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA16653 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:51:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA16648 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:51:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaput@whoever.com) Received: from whoever.com (oooooo@aeiusrE-27.aei.ca [206.186.204.227]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA07178; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:50:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3514B3CF.7C886A81@whoever.com> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:46:39 -0500 From: KapuT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake CC: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Project for newbies References: <35148CCD.7CB64E84@whoever.com> <19980322172115.20462@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its simple, we can write a manual-- who will profit of our experiancies and trouble with admin and command. A real newbie's manual, not made by advanced user who dont remember how feel a newbie when he see Login: hehehehe So, just a project by newbie for newbie. And with that project, we can learn a lot. And I insist, for "no background---real newbie---lamer for some admin" user :-) and printable KapuT #BSD-Help undernet Sue Blake wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 1998 at 11:00:13PM -0500, KapuT wrote: > > Ok, now, we are talking a lot, I will resume. > > Has newbie, we find than FreeBSD was not so documented, and there is a > > special lack of documentation for newbies. Not talking of hardware > > doc... > > > > We also find than Advanced User have no time for us ;-) > > > > And we find than there was no journal, the only sources of news is > > http://www.ca.freebsd.org/newsflash.html > > > > ***And someone know how many people run FreeBSD??????*** > > > > We have also find that it was boring to do comparaison of BSD and Linux > > :-) > > > > And there is no *real* page about FUG or User Group... > > > > And as I can read, we want to do something, so lets start a project in > > HTML, about BSD. Like a *printable* (because reading a manual on the > > web is hard :-/ ) manual-->WE know why we dont understand and how to > > explain it the more simply. So if we start a project like that, we will > > also know more thing :-) > > I'm not sure what you have in mind. Are you thinking of writing stuff for > newbies to add to the FreeBSD documentation, or do you want to make them > change it, or do you want to set up some documentation somewhere else away > from the FreeBSD site? > > Of course the main point is getting the stuff written, but there are > different ways to do it that will get you different kinds of help. > It depends on what you want. > > -- > > Regards, > -*Sue*- > > find / -name "*.conf" |more > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- *************************** kaput@whoever.com www.aei.ca/~malartre/ ICQ #4224434 IRCNet #quebec #wage #mid Undernet #FreeBSD Windows95 Unix-Version FreeBSD-2.2.6 *************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Mar 21 23:15:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA18695 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (suebla.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18677 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:14:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29962; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:14:33 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <19980322181431.64480@welearn.com.au> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:14:31 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: KapuT Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies Subject: Re: Project for newbies References: <35148CCD.7CB64E84@whoever.com> <19980322172115.20462@welearn.com.au> <3514B3CF.7C886A81@whoever.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <3514B3CF.7C886A81@whoever.com>; from KapuT on Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 01:46:39AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 22, 1998 at 01:46:39AM -0500, KapuT wrote: > Its simple, we can write a manual-- who will profit of our experiancies > and trouble with admin and command. A real newbie's manual, not made > by advanced user who dont remember how feel a newbie when he see > Login: > hehehehe > > So, just a project by newbie for newbie. And with that project, we can > learn a lot. And I insist, for "no background---real newbie---lamer for > some admin" user :-) and printable Great idea. Count me in! Anyone else? I might not qualify as the kind of "real newbie" you want for writing, but I'll support it in any way I can. Just ask whenever you want my help. -- Regards, -*Sue*- find / -name "*.conf" |more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message