From owner-freebsd-small Sun May 24 04:18:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03245 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03224 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:18:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from edward.beili@telrad.co.il) From: edward.beili@telrad.co.il Received: from telgate.telrad.co.il (telgate.telrad.co.il [194.90.21.130]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14345 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:16:18 +0300 (IDT) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by telgate.telrad.co.il (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10427 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:13:44 +0300 (IDT) Received: from UNKNOWN(141.226.13.23), claiming to be "elex.co.il" via SMTP by telgate, id smtpdAAAa002Yr; Sun May 24 11:13:29 1998 Received: from tcpmma01.elex.co.il by elex.co.il with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273848567; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:16:07 +0300 Received: from tlcpmh58.elex.co.il (tlcpmh58.elex.co.il [141.226.9.128]) by tcpmma01.elex.co.il (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA03574 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:16:06 +0300 (IDT) Received: (from edward@localhost) by tlcpmh58.elex.co.il (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA09763 for freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:16:05 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 14:16:05 +0300 (IDT) Message-Id: <199805241116.OAA09763@tlcpmh58.elex.co.il> Apparently-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 0f7f3fbf subscribe freebsd-small edward.beili@telrad.co.il To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun May 24 14:47:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA18277 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA18239 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:47:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA07622; Sun, 24 May 1998 23:49:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 23:49:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: "Randal S. Masutani" cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embeded applications? In-Reply-To: <199805222203.MAA07511@oldyeller.comtest.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 22 May 1998, Randal S. Masutani wrote: > No, no ... sorry if I was not clear with my statements above. > > Let me clarify myself. There are two major ways that manufactures > implement access to Flash memory devices, Software or Hardware emulation. [snip] Ahh, well... Yes, I misunderstood you - throw out most of my ramblings... > I will try using the rawboot, since I do not need FFS. Technically I do not > have access to FFS anyway as explained above, since I am using software BIOS > flash drive. >From your description, I think rawboot does what you want - it pulls data block by block using BIOS INT 13. > NOTE: FYI, "FFS" acronyms is used in two ways. > In FreeBSD FFS stands for Fast File System. > In the PC/104 industry FFS stands for Flash File System. > It can get confusing at times... :) Yes... But both meanings are too heavily used to even propose a change, so we must live with it (and be confused at times :) Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun May 24 16:57:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06803 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles212.castles.com [208.214.165.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06789 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08613; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805242252.PAA08613@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Andrzej Bialecki cc: "Randal S. Masutani" , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embeded applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 23:49:17 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:52:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >From your description, I think rawboot does what you want - it pulls data > block by block using BIOS INT 13. Rawboot just gets around the minor space wastage you get from having a filesystem on the boot image - it was a desperate "help the install image is too big" bandaid, and should probably be exterminated. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun May 24 22:18:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA19725 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19680 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:18:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA13467; Sun, 24 May 1998 19:09:35 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199805250509.TAA13467@oldyeller.comtest.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Mike Smith Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:27:06 -1000 Subject: Re: Embeded applications? Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199805242252.PAA08613@antipodes.cdrom.com> References: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 23:49:17 +0200." X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 24 May 98 at 15:52, Mike Smith wrote: > > >From your description, I think rawboot does what you want - it pulls data > > block by block using BIOS INT 13. > > Rawboot just gets around the minor space wastage you get from having a > filesystem on the boot image - it was a desperate "help the install > image is too big" bandaid, and should probably be exterminated. So should I just use the standard boot1 and boot2 ? Also what would be the commands to create the boot image for a hard disk boot? dd and disklabel commands ? Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun May 24 22:50:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA23919 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (castles213.castles.com [208.214.165.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA23908 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:50:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@antipodes.cdrom.com) Received: from antipodes.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by antipodes.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA10256; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805250446.VAA10256@antipodes.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: randal@comtest.com cc: Mike Smith , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Embeded applications? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 May 1998 19:27:06 -1000." <199805250509.TAA13467@oldyeller.comtest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:46:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On 24 May 98 at 15:52, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > >From your description, I think rawboot does what you want - it pulls data > > > block by block using BIOS INT 13. > > > > Rawboot just gets around the minor space wastage you get from having a > > filesystem on the boot image - it was a desperate "help the install > > image is too big" bandaid, and should probably be exterminated. > > So should I just use the standard boot1 and boot2 ? That's the easiest-and-best way, yes. > Also what would be the commands to create the boot image for a hard disk boot? > dd and disklabel commands ? Look in the PicoBSD kit - it creates a 1.44MB image. You can just tweak the parameters for that to make something bigger. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 26 01:25:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17020 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 01:25:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cape.nashua.co.za (cape.nashua.co.za [196.33.88.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17005 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 01:25:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vandal@cape.nashua.co.za) Received: from mcs-server (unverified [196.33.88.42]) by cape.nashua.co.za (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:23:32 +0200 From: "Malcolm Sole" To: Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:24:54 +0200 Message-ID: <000601bd887f$c2bc8200$2a5821c4@mcs-server.reu-net.nashua.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-small To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 26 14:32:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24276 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24179 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09796 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD licensing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG We want to use the FreeBSD kernel as the core of the operating system in upcoming product. What's the deal with licensing? Is it enough to display FreeBSD and UCB copyright messages? -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 26 15:23:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA06041 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA05972 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01315; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805262117.OAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD licensing? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 17:32:19 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:17:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > We want to use the FreeBSD kernel as the core of the operating system in > upcoming product. What's the deal with licensing? Is it enough to display > FreeBSD and UCB copyright messages? Typically, the relevant clauses are: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. [... disclaimer ...] You can meet this by including the relevant credits in your software licence. You may also be liable to buy Poul a beer (at your discretion), should you meet him in a bar. Be aware that some (optional) kernel components are GPL'd. This basically covers: - ext2fs - the GPL math emulator - the digiboard driver Using these components will infect your kernel with the GPL. So the short answer is: give credit in your documentation. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 26 15:39:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA08934 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08755 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10365; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:39:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas Reply-To: Marc Nicholas To: Mike Smith cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD licensing? In-Reply-To: <199805262117.OAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > You can meet this by including the relevant credits in your software > licence. You may also be liable to buy Poul a beer (at your > discretion), should you meet him in a bar. Who's Poul? > Be aware that some (optional) kernel components are GPL'd. This > basically covers: > > - ext2fs > - the GPL math emulator > - the digiboard driver None of these are required by our product, although I think the GPL math emulator might be in our current kernel. > So the short answer is: give credit in your documentation. We would regardless, just want to make sure we're legal :-) So, credits to both FreeBSD Inc. and UCB will go in the documentation etc. Thanks. -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue May 26 16:15:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA17692 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17641 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 16:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01770; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805262210.PAA01770@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD licensing? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 May 1998 18:39:09 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:10:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 26 May 1998, Mike Smith wrote: > > > You can meet this by including the relevant credits in your software > > licence. You may also be liable to buy Poul a beer (at your > > discretion), should you meet him in a bar. > > Who's Poul? By the time you've finished reading the copyrights from all the kernel files, you'll know that I'm referring to this license: * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * "THE BEER-WARE LICENSE" (Revision 42): * wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you * can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think * this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return. Poul-Henning Kamp * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Be aware that some (optional) kernel components are GPL'd. This > > basically covers: > > > > - ext2fs > > - the GPL math emulator > > - the digiboard driver > > None of these are required by our product, although I think the GPL math > emulator might be in our current kernel. That's 'options GPL_MATH_EMULATE'. It's only useful on 386 and 486sx parts. > > So the short answer is: give credit in your documentation. > > We would regardless, just want to make sure we're legal :-) > > So, credits to both FreeBSD Inc. and UCB will go in the documentation etc. You'll have to go a little further than that; there are a large number of individuals as well as Intel and CMU (at least) that you will need to credit. I'd recommend working out which kernel components you're using/ likely to use, then feed each of the files through head -50 and sort them. You'll only need to do it once; it's been a few years since I did the sweep for a previous employer, and it was pretty painless. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 00:46:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA24832 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from ppp.micron.dk (kbh0ppp102.web.dk [195.78.65.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA24772 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 00:45:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hembo@micron.dk) Received: from mds1 (mds1 [195.78.65.250]) by ppp.micron.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02030 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:47:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hembo@micron.dk) Message-ID: <001d01bd8943$51278300$fa414ec3@mds1.micron.dk> Reply-To: "Michael Hembo" From: "Michael Hembo" To: Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 09:44:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 93f42200 subscribe freebsd-small hembo@micron.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 05:01:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA13477 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:01:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA13470 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16795; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805271137.HAA16795@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD licensing? In-Reply-To: <199805262117.OAA01315@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "May 26, 98 02:17:24 pm" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 07:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Typically, the relevant clauses are: > > * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the > * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. > [... disclaimer ...] The classic BSD copyright also includes the advertising requirement: * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software * must display the following acknowledgement: * This product includes software developed by the University of * California, Berkeley and its contributors. * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributors * may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software * without specific prior written permission. which you'll have to pay attention to if advertising features derived from different parts of the software. Both 3. and 4. are now gone in the suggested FreeBSD copyright in /usr/share/examples/etc in order to make things simpler, but the older copyright is present in many places. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 05:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA21374 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from inga.augusta.de (root@inga.augusta.de [193.175.23.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA21356 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 05:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michaelv@inga.augusta.de) Received: (from michaelv@localhost) by inga.augusta.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA22301 for freebsd-small@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:46:44 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805271246.OAA22301@inga.augusta.de> Subject: Customized PicoBSD To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:46:43 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Michael Vorleiter" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I am just making my own experience with this little system. Using FreeBSD 2.2.5, i changed the script for the current system to above metioned. This worked well. Now I want to change it: The dial in version has many features which i don't need. My goal is to reveive a disk for the disaster recovery with amrestore and it's libraries. I deleted some files and during the boot process PicoBSD can't find the init program. So now I ask which files could been deleted. I don't need the dial in features. Any tips are apreciated. Best Regards Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 09:37:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05099 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05080 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:37:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j1.jrc24.jaring.my [161.142.110.75]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA09215; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:36:14 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00819; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:08:45 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 00:08:45 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: jim@carroll.com, "Jason K. Fritcher" , Christopher JS Vance , Michael Vorleiter , Nils Segerdahl , Alan Williams , Chung-Kie Tung , Andrew Hannam , Philippe Regnauld , Joao Assad , Affonso Loyola , Andrew Ma cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PicoBSD 2.2.5 Build Scripts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey, firstly, let me apologize for this _mass_ posting to all of you guys. you share the same common problem in that you have all asked for the picobsd build scripts for 2.2.5-R and i have not delivered. secondly, allow me to apologize for the delay. i was stuck on a consulting contract and didnt have the time to clean it up for distribution. the good news is it's ready now on the web page, http://info.net-gw.com/picoBSD/ some caveats: the inclusion of lynx involves some tweaking due to the weird way the lynx chaps have x-referenced functions between source files and libraries. hence, you would need to build lynx with a make in the /usr/ports subdir before attempting it with the picobsd build script. if you're not using lynx, you may safely comment the two lines which refer to it out in dial/crunch1/crunch.conf. secondly, there have been fundamental changes to ppp between 2.2.6 and 2.2.5 so these scripts will _not_ build on 2.2.6. i'm in the midst of tweaking them for 2.2.6 and will release it as soon as i can. thirdly, andrzej has already created a new mailing list for a shrunk down freebsd, freebsd-small@freebsd.org. i am on that list and both andrzej and i would be able to help you out with your picobsd problems. subscribe by sending an email to majordomo@freebsd.org with message "subscribe freebsd-small" finally, have fun with picobsd. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 09:37:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05122 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:37:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05089 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18274 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:37:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LCDs... In-Reply-To: <199805262210.PAA01770@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any of you connected LCDs to your embedded FreeBSD systems? If so, what are you using to drive them? Anyone using graphical LCDs and/or keypads? -marc P.S: Anyone else getting dupliates on the list? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 11:15:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23936 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:15:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23834 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09171; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd009164; Wed May 27 18:07:10 1998 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG we use com2 with a propritary LCD controler/keyboard I say some advertised recently however that are generally available. julian (see www.whistle.com for a picture of the LCD in the product..) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Any of you connected LCDs to your embedded FreeBSD systems? If so, what > are you using to drive them? Anyone using graphical LCDs and/or keypads? > > -marc > > P.S: Anyone else getting dupliates on the list? > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" > vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 11:38:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28662 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from oldyeller.comtest.com (comtest.hits.net [206.127.244.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28630 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:38:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Received: from graphics.comtest.com (graphics.comtest.com [206.127.245.194]) by oldyeller.comtest.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA17839; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:31:28 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from randal@comtest.com) Message-Id: <199805271831.IAA17839@oldyeller.comtest.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Randal S. Masutani" Organization: ComTest Technologies, Inc. To: Marc Nicholas Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:48:38 -1000 Subject: Re: LCDs... Reply-to: randal@comtest.com CC: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199805262210.PAA01770@dingo.cdrom.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 27 May 98 at 12:37, Marc Nicholas wrote: > P.S: Anyone else getting dupliates on the list? You are probably getting replies both directly to you and from the mail list. (ie. this reply I am sending to you directly and also cc: to the mail list.) Check the bottom of your email. If it has the "To Unscubscribe: ..." message below it is from the mail list, otherwise it was probably sent directly to you from the sender. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message Randal Masutani ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ComTest Technologies, Inc. 3049 Ualena St., Suite 1005 Honolulu, Hawaii 96819 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 11:47:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00385 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00297 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA19366; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Julian Elischer cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Julian... On Wed, 27 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > we use com2 with a propritary LCD controler/keyboard > I say some advertised recently however that are generally available. You did the electronics in-house? Looks like a neat design and similar to what we want to do. What's the resolution on the LCD? I presume you used a microcontroller? If this is getting too proprietary, please tell me to get lost :-) -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 11:49:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA00815 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00751 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA08956; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:51:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:51:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Michael Vorleiter cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Customized PicoBSD In-Reply-To: <199805271246.OAA22301@inga.augusta.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 27 May 1998, Michael Vorleiter wrote: > My goal is to reveive a disk for the disaster recovery with amrestore and it's > libraries. I deleted some files and during the boot process PicoBSD can't find > the init program. Unless you write your own version of init(8), you'll need at least normal init(8), sh(1) for executing rc script and mount(8). This is enough to start in single-user mode. For near normal operation you'll need getty and login, as well as /etc/spwd.db (that is, encrypted password database). Of course, normal programs require _a_lot_ of config files in /etc to even start to work... That's why it would be extremely useful to have one unified configuration database... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 11:53:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01648 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from korin.warman.org.pl (korin.nask.waw.pl [148.81.160.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01587 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:52:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abial@nask.pl) Received: from localhost (abial@localhost) by korin.warman.org.pl (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA09775; Wed, 27 May 1998 20:55:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: korin.warman.org.pl: abial owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 20:55:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Andrzej Bialecki X-Sender: abial@korin.warman.org.pl To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 27 May 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Any of you connected LCDs to your embedded FreeBSD systems? If so, what > are you using to drive them? Anyone using graphical LCDs and/or keypads? Mike (msmith) wrote a driver for LCD driven with parallel port. It's in /usr/share/examples/ppi. > P.S: Anyone else getting dupliates on the list? Not me... Andrzej Bialecki --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- abial@nask.pl | if(halt_per_mth > 0) { fetch("http://www.freebsd.org") } Research & Academic | "Be open-minded, but don't let your brains to fall out." Network in Poland | All of the above (and more) is just my personal opinion. --------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 12:05:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04456 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04361 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA18243; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:40:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805271840.OAA18243@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: from Julian Elischer at "May 27, 98 11:07:07 am" To: julian@whistle.com (Julian Elischer) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Cc: marc@hippocampus.net, freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > we use com2 with a propritary LCD controler/keyboard > I say some advertised recently however that are generally available. You could also drive the parallel connection on Optrex style controllers through the parallel port. We use the I2C bus using the access.bus physical TELCO jack pinout for this because these LCDs and buttons eventually run on microcontrollers. I like this - it daisy chains well so you can have a button module and a display module and click them together. Check the back of the mag "Circuit Cellar INK The Computer Applications Journal" (circuitcellar.com) for some RS232 displays I know absolutely nothing about (www.matrix-orbital.com). Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 12:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA04938 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from candy.pantexcom.com ([206.109.150.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA04875 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ljakab@pantexcom.com) Received: from krash.pantexcom.com ([206.109.150.67]) by candy.pantexcom.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16568 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:25:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: <01BD8978.A25C9820.ljakab@pantexcom.com> From: "Lubo J. Jakab" Reply-To: "ljakab@pantexcom.com" To: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Subject: re: authorization mail Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:06:23 -0500 Organization: Pantex Computer, Inc. X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does any one else get mail like this? I feel like I shouldn't... -----Original Message----- From: Michael Hembo [SMTP:hembo@micron.dk] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 2:45 AM To: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: auth ********* subscribe freebsd-small hembo@micron.dk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 12:09:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA05519 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA05495 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:09:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19569; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: Peter Dufault cc: Julian Elischer , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: <199805271840.OAA18243@hda.hda.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter et al... On Wed, 27 May 1998, Peter Dufault wrote: > You could also drive the parallel connection on Optrex style > controllers through the parallel port. I would imagine this would become timing sensitive, no? > We use the I2C bus using the access.bus physical TELCO jack pinout > for this because these LCDs and buttons eventually run on > microcontrollers. I like this - it daisy chains well so you can > have a button module and a display module and click them together. How do you get an I2C bus on a PeeCee? Can you fake it somehow? I'd be interested in references for I2C buttons...or keypads. > Check the back of the mag "Circuit Cellar INK The Computer Applications > Journal" (circuitcellar.com) for some RS232 displays I know absolutely > nothing about (www.matrix-orbital.com). The Matrix Orbital stuff does indeed look neat, although a little expensive for our application. =marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 12:19:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA07474 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from alpo.whistle.com (alpo.whistle.com [207.76.204.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA07434 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:19:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian@whistle.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by alpo.whistle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11066; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from current1.whistle.com(207.76.205.22) via SMTP by alpo.whistle.com, id smtpd011057; Wed May 27 18:54:27 1998 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Julian Elischer To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 128 x 64 dots has a text mode and a graphics mode using an 8251 microcontroller On Wed, 27 May 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Julian... > > On Wed, 27 May 1998, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > we use com2 with a propritary LCD controler/keyboard > > I say some advertised recently however that are generally available. > > You did the electronics in-house? Looks like a neat design and similar to > what we want to do. What are you going to do with it? It's already very crowded in this market and there are (amongst the various contenders upwards of 100Million dollars being spent to try get to the lead. see www.encanto,com, ww.cobaltmicro.com www.freegate.com, www.yes.no, www.iplanet.com (I think) and a few others that escape me for others. > > What's the resolution on the LCD? I presume you used a microcontroller? > > If this is getting too proprietary, please tell me to get lost :-) > > > > -marc > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" > vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 12:25:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08834 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hda.hda.com (hda-bicnet.bicnet.net [208.220.66.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08796 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dufault@hda.hda.com) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.hda.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18304; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199805271900.PAA18304@hda.hda.com> Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: from Marc Nicholas at "May 27, 98 03:09:50 pm" To: marc@hippocampus.net (Marc Nicholas) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You could also drive the parallel connection on Optrex style > > controllers through the parallel port. > > I would imagine this would become timing sensitive, no? Check Mike's code which I didn't know about. I assume there is a minimum setup time before you twiddle a handshake - I've done this way back and don't remember there being any problems. > > We use the I2C bus using the access.bus physical TELCO jack pinout > > for this because these LCDs and buttons eventually run on > > microcontrollers. I like this - it daisy chains well so you can > > have a button module and a display module and click them together. > > How do you get an I2C bus on a PeeCee? Can you fake it > somehow? You either brute force bit-bang through the parallel port with some hacked adapter to let you tie together the input and output bits, or you buy an expensive adapter that has nothing but a PAL and a Philip's controller chip. We used to use the parallel port but now use the controller board - this is for developing and prototyping the embedded applications and the cost for a few boards is not an issue. > I'd be interested in references for I2C buttons...or keypads. Basically they are home grown using what you'll find in the Philips data book - we use the parallel to serial converter chip to drive the Optrex LCD module on output (as you would from the parallel port) and discrete switches and a rotary encoder / push button on input, and the LED driver chip to drive LED displays. Peter -- Peter Dufault (dufault@hda.com) Realtime development, Machine control, HD Associates, Inc. Safety critical systems, Agency approval To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 13:03:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15668 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from belzebub.net-gw.com (bulzebub.net-gw.com [202.185.254.12] (may be forged)) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA15633 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: from broker.alphaque.com (j25.bkj27.jaring.my [161.142.101.159]) by belzebub.net-gw.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA10301; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:03:01 +0800 Received: (from dinesh@localhost) by broker.alphaque.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA01323; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:18:11 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 01:18:10 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair X-Sender: dinesh@broker To: Marc Nicholas cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 27 May 1998, Marc Nicholas wrote: > Any of you connected LCDs to your embedded FreeBSD systems? If so, what > are you using to drive them? Anyone using graphical LCDs and/or keypads? if the lcds have a serial interface, just plug it into the serial port and build a kernel (or boot) with the serial option. then, try tweaking /etc/termcap for a correct termcap entry. Regards, /\_/\ "All dogs go to heaven." dinesh@alphaque.com (0 0) +=======================----oOO--(_)--OOo----=========================+ |for a in past present future; do | | for b in clients employers associates relatives neighbours pets; do | | echo "The opinions here in no way reflect the opinions of my $a $b."| |done; done | +=====================================================================+ http://pgp.ai.mit.edu/htbin/pks-extract-key.pl?op=get&search=0x230096E9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 13:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28072 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from neuron.hippocampus.net (neuron.hippocampus.net [204.138.241.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27911 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:56:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@hippocampus.net) Received: from localhost (marc@localhost) by neuron.hippocampus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20514; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Nicholas To: "Lubo J. Jakab" cc: "'freebsd-small@freebsd.org'" Subject: re: authorization mail In-Reply-To: <01BD8978.A25C9820.ljakab@pantexcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 27 May 1998, Lubo J. Jakab wrote: > Does any one else get mail like this? I feel like I shouldn't... Sure do...and still getting duplicates :-) -marc -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Hippocampus OSD, Inc. "Industrial Strength Internet Solutions" vox://416.979.9000 fax://416.979.8223 http://www.hippocampus.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 14:24:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04902 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04775 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:24:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01651; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805272017.NAA01651@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Marc Nicholas cc: Peter Dufault , Julian Elischer , freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 15:09:50 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:17:52 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > You could also drive the parallel connection on Optrex style > > controllers through the parallel port. > > I would imagine this would become timing sensitive, no? Not really; most controllers are more than fast enough. See /usr/share/examples/ppi for an example using the ppi 'geek port' interface (in -current) talking to the Hitachi LCD controller. You could backport this to 2.2 pretty trivially if you're willing to use the /dev/io hack. (I'm available to extend/customise this code at very reasonable rates. 8) > > We use the I2C bus using the access.bus physical TELCO jack pinout > > for this because these LCDs and buttons eventually run on > > microcontrollers. I like this - it daisy chains well so you can > > have a button module and a display module and click them together. > > How do you get an I2C bus on a PeeCee? Can you fake it > somehow? There are serial:I2C adapters I believe, and I2C UART-like devices. > I'd be interested in references for I2C buttons...or keypads. I don't have any handy, sorry, but I do recall some pushbuttons with small LCDs in the button that IIRC used I2C for comms. > > Check the back of the mag "Circuit Cellar INK The Computer Applications > > Journal" (circuitcellar.com) for some RS232 displays I know absolutely > > nothing about (www.matrix-orbital.com). > > The Matrix Orbital stuff does indeed look neat, although a little > expensive for our application. Far too expensive, and more or less unnecessary for lots of applications. They take an ordinary parallel-interface display and put another board containing a micro on the back. Cheaper to do the work yourself. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed May 27 14:37:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA07571 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA07254 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01723; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805272029.NAA01723@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Peter Dufault cc: marc@hippocampus.net (Marc Nicholas), small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: LCDs... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 May 1998 15:00:50 EDT." <199805271900.PAA18304@hda.hda.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > You could also drive the parallel connection on Optrex style > > > controllers through the parallel port. > > > > I would imagine this would become timing sensitive, no? > > Check Mike's code which I didn't know about. I assume there > is a minimum setup time before you twiddle a handshake - I've > done this way back and don't remember there being any problems. Yes, there are assorted weird timing constraints. The Hitachi part dominates the 1-4 line alphanumeric LCD market, and datasheets for it are available in many places across the web. As a general rule, the constraints are command-based rather than handshake-based; you would need to be talking to the LCD memory-mapped off a fairly fast micro before you ran into problems. I doubt that you can coax a parallel port into going nearly fast enough to give it any trouble. > > I'd be interested in references for I2C buttons...or keypads. If you're doing this on a product basis, you're almost certainly better off DIY with a PIC or Z8 micro and a serial interface. Buying someone else's I2C keyboard/display combo is fine for one-offs, but the pricing I've seen would indicate that you'd be wasting far too much money on it. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 28 04:33:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26208 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from giglio.iol.it (giglio.iol.it [195.210.91.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA25580 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 04:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexseb@iol.it) Received: from www.digitech.it ([195.210.64.139]) by giglio.iol.it (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA23825 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 13:25:27 +0200 From: "Alessandro Sebastianutti" To: Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:21:57 +0200 Message-ID: <01bd8a2a$d3263d00$0100000a@www.digitech.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG auth 9b71ba16 subscribe freebsd-small alexseb@iol.it To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 28 16:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21926 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:22:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gamma.aei.ca (root@gamma.aei.ca [206.123.6.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21872 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from malartre@aei.ca) Received: from aei.ca (kaput@aeiusrE-23.aei.ca [206.186.204.223]) by gamma.aei.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10764 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 19:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <356DF173.C74103C6@aei.ca> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 19:21:23 -0400 From: Malartre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Some PicoBSD OS like links Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, for people who love little OS and for PicoBSD develloper, I have found some OS who fit on a floopy. Maybe it will be of some use. On the first link, its a commercial demo. It use Photon MicroGUI interface (I think its small has 44K and there is *only one* server for all cards) It work great for me. There is to the Voyager Browser who is sexy and who support HTML3.2 and DHTML and a lot of stuff :-) Try it! http://www.qnx.com http://www.qnx.com/iat/createdemo.html The second link is a Linux project for OS on a floopy called "hal91". I've not tryed it. http://home.sol.no/~okolaas/hal91.html Anyone know of other OS who fit on a floppy? Cya Malartre -- -------------------------------------------------- malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 www.aei.ca/~malartre/ Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 -------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 28 18:08:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12591 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (jose@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12471 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29145; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) To: Malartre cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some PicoBSD OS like links In-Reply-To: <356DF173.C74103C6@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The second link is a Linux project for OS on a floopy called "hal91". > I've not tryed it. > http://home.sol.no/~okolaas/hal91.html > > Anyone know of other OS who fit on a floppy? > Cya > Malartre > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu May 28 18:11:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13190 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from cnct.com (jose@cnct.com [165.254.118.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13174 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@cnct.com) From: jose@cnct.com Received: from localhost (jose@localhost) by cnct.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29553; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:14:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Malartre cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some PicoBSD OS like links In-Reply-To: <356DF173.C74103C6@aei.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry 'bout the last message plenty of OSs can be fit on a floppy: DOS (many flavors, Caldera's DR-DOS for a free one www.caldera.com) Linux (various projects, Pragma is a decent one) CPM (not much development ongoing here) ELKS (in developmental stage, www.linux.org.uk/ELKS-Home) and a lot of other less developed OSes... this is off topic IMO so anyone interested can e-mail me and i'll forward some links to less known OSes.. On Thu, 28 May 1998, Malartre wrote: > Hi, for people who love little OS and for PicoBSD develloper, I have > found some OS who fit on a floopy. Maybe it will be of some use. > > On the first link, its a commercial demo. It use Photon MicroGUI > interface (I think its small has 44K and there is *only one* server for > all cards) It work great for me. There is to the Voyager Browser who is > sexy and who support HTML3.2 and DHTML and a lot of stuff :-) Try it! > http://www.qnx.com > http://www.qnx.com/iat/createdemo.html > > The second link is a Linux project for OS on a floopy called "hal91". > I've not tryed it. > http://home.sol.no/~okolaas/hal91.html > > Anyone know of other OS who fit on a floppy? > Cya > Malartre > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > malartre@aei.ca ICQ #4224434 > www.aei.ca/~malartre/ Unix FreeBSD-2.2.6 > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri May 29 05:49:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA23569 for freebsd-small-outgoing; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from teil.soft.net (teil.soft.net [164.164.10.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA20694; Fri, 29 May 1998 05:43:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vyas@teil.soft.net) Received: by teil.soft.net (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id SAA23481; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:14:22 -0530 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:04:03 -0530 (IST) From: Vyasaraj S To: freebsd-users@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, I am not sure whether it is the right mailing list to post my query I am implementing the Address Resolution part of routing library in my network subsystem. I am trying to understand the implementation of the Address Resolution Logic of FreeBSD. I have specific query to one of the data structure of the rtentry and mrtentry my problem is: There is a field " refcount" in the route entry. As per my understanding, this field is there,to prevent some Application layer task from deleting that particular route entry when someother application, IP has already accessed that route entry and using it. The Query is: Does this refcount serve anyother purpose ! Can you do without this "refcount" field ? by providing a copy of rtentry or mrtentry, whoever calls rn_match(). thanks in advance. vyas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message