From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Sep 5 19:22:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C295E15799 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA33020; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:21:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id UAA01375; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:21:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199909060221.UAA01375@harmony.village.org> To: Michael Kennett Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 04 Sep 1999 17:42:52 +0800." <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> References: <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 20:21:02 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: : It is the file mkstemp.o. I've added it to the Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ : cc/cc_drv/Makefile (in the line SRCS). I've never needed to do this. I think that you must have an old system... We went through this several months ago. I only intend to support cross compiling on a system that is installed from a -current system that matches what you are cross compiling. That is if you haven't done a make world before trying to make a cross world, then all bets are off. : Hidden in the bowels of the FreeBSD source tree (/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ : libbfd/alpha) is the file 'bfd.h', which configures the characteristics of the : host architecture. In this file is the line : : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 1 : : i.e. It is saying that a (native) alpha compiler has 64-bit registers. By : changing this line to : : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 0 : : the cross-compilation from the x86 architecture passes binutils without any : warnings. This needs to be fixed so that the right things happens. I suspect that this is due to mixing the HOST and the TARGET variables in the same file... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Sep 5 20:39: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from laurasia.com.au (lauras.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.93.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFBB15444 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 20:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@laurasia.com.au) Received: (from mike@localhost) by laurasia.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA94307; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:38:08 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from mike) From: Michael Kennett Message-Id: <199909060338.LAA94307@laurasia.com.au> Subject: Re: Changes to binutils (--target=alpha-freebsd) In-Reply-To: <199909060221.UAA01375@harmony.village.org> from Warner Losh at "Sep 5, 1999 08:21:02 pm" To: imp@village.org (Warner Losh) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 11:38:07 +0800 (WST) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Warner, > In message <199909040942.RAA26591@laurasia.com.au> Michael Kennett writes: > : It is the file mkstemp.o. I've added it to the Makefile /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/ > : cc/cc_drv/Makefile (in the line SRCS). > > I've never needed to do this. I think that you must have an old > system... We went through this several months ago. > > I only intend to support cross compiling on a system that is installed > from a -current system that matches what you are cross compiling. > That is if you haven't done a make world before trying to make a cross > world, then all bets are off. I've cvsup'd the latest sources almost weekly, and not had problems doing a native (x86) build. I don't have FreeBSD installed on the alpha, as I don't have the binaries for it (I know it is possible to download the binaries, but that's just not nearly as much fun as building from source :-) I also got my network usage report today, and I can't afford to download the binaries :-( I've been using the 'standard-supfile', (modified to suck from cvsup.au. freebsd.org), with the source collection 'src-all' -- so I should be getting the source changes for contrib as well. I think I'm getting current, as the '*default release=cvs tag=.' line is present as well. i.e. the relevant lines in my supfile are: *default host=cvsup.au.freebsd.org *default release=cvs tag=. src-all The tag on the Makefile in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_drv is $FreeBSD: src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_drv/Makefile,v 1.4 1998/08/27 23:35:15 .... $ This makefile does not include 'mkstemp.c' in the SRCS variable. > > : Hidden in the bowels of the FreeBSD source tree (/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ > : libbfd/alpha) is the file 'bfd.h', which configures the characteristics of the > : host architecture. In this file is the line > : > : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 1 > : > : i.e. It is saying that a (native) alpha compiler has 64-bit registers. By > : changing this line to > : > : #define BFD_HOST_64BIT_LONG 0 > : > : the cross-compilation from the x86 architecture passes binutils without any > : warnings. > > This needs to be fixed so that the right things happens. I suspect > that this is due to mixing the HOST and the TARGET variables in the > same file... Sorry 'bout the ungracious hack on bfd.h -- I'd never recommend such a change. I'm still very much in the exploration phase, and trying to identify where changes need to be made. I think you're suspicion is correct - I've hacked the Makefile in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools: 131a132,133 >GCC_HOST?= `uname -m` > 134c136 < echo '#include "${GCC_ARCH}/xm-${GCC_ARCH}.h"' >> ${.TARGET} --- > echo '#include "${GCC_HOST}/xm-${GCC_HOST}.h"' >> ${.TARGET} The compilation progresses further, but later falls over when the cross- compiler is being used. > > Warner > Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Sep 6 13:13:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com [207.46.181.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809891573A for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from JHowie@msn.com) Received: from JHowie - 216.103.48.12 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:12:05 -0700 Message-ID: <005701bef8a5$291532e0$fd01a8c0@pacbell.net> From: "John Howie" To: Subject: Sound cards Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:19:44 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, Before I try to do it... Has anyone successfully got sound working on their Alpha boxes, specifically the Windows Sound System board. I am running 3.2 RELEASE on an AlphaStation 400 4/233. When I checked the kernel source tree I could only find code for the Intel version (in /sys/i386/isa/sound). Any help would be appreciated. john... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Sep 6 13:35:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2B714D29 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 13:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA76849; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:37:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:37:58 +0100 (BST) From: Doug Rabson To: John Howie Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound cards In-Reply-To: <005701bef8a5$291532e0$fd01a8c0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, John Howie wrote: > Folks, > > Before I try to do it... Has anyone successfully got sound working on their > Alpha boxes, specifically the Windows Sound System board. I am running 3.2 > RELEASE on an AlphaStation 400 4/233. When I checked the kernel source tree > I could only find code for the Intel version (in /sys/i386/isa/sound). > > Any help would be appreciated. > > john... Soundcards supported by the newpcm driver are supported in -current (in theory - I have only tested with an AWE64). I will probably add code soon to support the builtin sound hardware for Digital Personal Workstations (and possibly newer Compaq workstations). -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Sep 8 22:53:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from kot.ne.mediaone.net (kot.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.15.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9497415125; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:53:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from guest.newton (guest.newton [10.10.0.3]) by kot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA03790; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:53:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin X-Relay-IP: 10.10.0.3 Received: (from mi@localhost) by guest.newton (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA97373; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199909090553.BAA97373@guest.newton> Subject: AlphaXL (300) -- AlphaBIOS only To: questions@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@openbsd.org, questions@netbsd.org X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7w hJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli"; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cracauer@cons.org) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by cons.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id LAA20074 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:04:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:04:08 +0200 From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller Message-ID: <19990909110407.A20064@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The installation doc says that the DEC3000/x00 machines support netboot only. Does this mean the onboard SCSI controller and/or turbochannel SCSI controllers aren't supported at all? Thanks Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ Tel.: (private) +4940 5221829 Fax.: (private) +4940 5228536 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 2:24:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (zabagek.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEC7151A3 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:21:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tg@ihf.rwth-aachen.de) Received: (from tg@localhost) by zabagek.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA74927; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:21:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tg) To: Martin Cracauer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller References: <19990909110407.A20064@cons.org> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Martin Cracauer's message of "Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:04:08 +0200" Date: 09 Sep 1999 11:21:09 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Cracauer writes: > The installation doc says that the DEC3000/x00 machines support > netboot only. Going off on a tangent: I'd like to see how. I couldn't get our 3000/300 to send proper TFTP packets to fetch a boot image. The BOOTP stage is fine. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 2:50:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FFDA1506E for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id CAA89292; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 32767) id 4A8E61506E; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <19990909094501.4A8E61506E@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan@online.be To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: alpha/13653: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 90b60000 is inconsistent Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 13653 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 90b60000 is inconsistent >Confidential: no >Severity: critical >Priority: high >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Sep 9 02:50:02 PDT 1999 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan Verroest >Release: 3.2 RELEASE >Organization: Online Internet >Environment: 3.2 RELEASE #53 Fri sep 3 14:37:45 CEST 1999 >Description: panic: pmap_remove_all: pv_table for 90b60000 is inconsistent automatic reboots follows i have already patched pmap.c like this: Index: pmap.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/alpha/alpha/pmap.c,v retrieving revision 1.25 retrieving revision 1.26 diff -u -r1.25 -r1.26 --- pmap.c 1999/06/08 17:14:07 1.25 +++ pmap.c 1999/06/10 20:40:55 1.26 @@ -1052,6 +1052,13 @@ int i; vm_object_t upobj; vm_page_t m; + + if (p == fpcurproc) { + alpha_pal_wrfen(1); + savefpstate(&fpcurproc->p_addr->u_pcb.pcb_fp); + fpcurproc = NULL; + alpha_pal_wrfen(0); + } upobj = p->p_upages_obj; /* >How-To-Repeat: wait (under heavy load) :( >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 6:16:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510121530E for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:16:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA27111; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA95997; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:14:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:14:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Martin Cracauer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller In-Reply-To: <19990909110407.A20064@cons.org> References: <19990909110407.A20064@cons.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14295.45030.963851.830444@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin Cracauer writes: > The installation doc says that the DEC3000/x00 machines support > netboot only. > > Does this mean the onboard SCSI controller and/or turbochannel SCSI > controllers aren't supported at all? > Yes. I did the original port of the NetBSD support for these machines. The SCSI controller was supported before CAM, but I lost access to DEC3000/x boxes shortly before CAM-day & nobody ever picked it up. The esp.c files are still languishing in our source tree (sys/alpha/tc/esp*) if you care port them to CAM. It might be preferable to integrate TC support into the existing PCI amd.c driver, which is already CAMified. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 9:48: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C8914E0B for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA59176; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199909091647.KAA59176@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller In-Reply-To: <14295.45030.963851.830444@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> from Andrew Gallatin at "Sep 9, 1999 09:14:43 am" To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) Cc: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote... > > Martin Cracauer writes: > > The installation doc says that the DEC3000/x00 machines support > > netboot only. > > > > Does this mean the onboard SCSI controller and/or turbochannel SCSI > > controllers aren't supported at all? > > > > Yes. I did the original port of the NetBSD support for these machines. > The SCSI controller was supported before CAM, but I lost access to > DEC3000/x boxes shortly before CAM-day & nobody ever picked it up. > > The esp.c files are still languishing in our source tree > (sys/alpha/tc/esp*) if you care port them to CAM. It might be > preferable to integrate TC support into the existing PCI amd.c driver, I'm not sure I follow that... Do you mean that the NCR 53c94 chips supported by the esp driver and the AMD 53c974 chips supported by the AMD driver have the same interface? Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 10:43:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E63A15C0D for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA04141; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA98628; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:42:53 -0400 (EDT) To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller In-Reply-To: <199909091647.KAA59176@panzer.kdm.org> References: <14295.45030.963851.830444@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <199909091647.KAA59176@panzer.kdm.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14295.58576.400259.106914@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth D. Merry writes: > Andrew Gallatin wrote... > > The esp.c files are still languishing in our source tree > > (sys/alpha/tc/esp*) if you care port them to CAM. It might be > > preferable to integrate TC support into the existing PCI amd.c driver, > > I'm not sure I follow that... Do you mean that the NCR 53c94 chips > supported by the esp driver and the AMD 53c974 chips supported by the AMD > driver have the same interface? That's the impression that I got from Justin when I talked to him briefly at USENIX. They use NCR 53C94 controllers on the 300/400/500 models & NCR 53CF94-2 controllers on the 600/700/800/900 models. From a *very* brief look through the esp & amd header files, the interface looks similar. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 11:30:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from andrew.cmu.edu (ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D9C414DCC for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10533 for FreeBSD-Alpha@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix7.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix7.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:29:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: FreeBSD-Alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: data recovery with bad block 0 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any methods/tools that can aid in recovering the data from a drive which has suffered a media failure on block 0? (As a matter of fact, I'm not quite sure yet if the failure is total, or only block 0, at the time I didn't have anything but SRM and the install floppy to go on). I'm imagining it should be easy to find the first partition, and possibly gauge it's size (??) and find the second, and so on.. to reconstruct the partiton offsets. The drive in question is a SCSI, which I believe I installed as 'dangerously' dedicated. What can I do to do this on-disk? Or am I forced to copy the drive elsewhere? I'm fairly limited in terms of storage, but well motivated to do it :) I'm picturing the worst will be if block 0 cannot even be written to, as then the kernel will never accept it? - Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 11:40:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF68615200 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vazquez@iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br (V-MTA, from userid 105) id D9DCD541; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:39:40 -0300 (EST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 15:39:40 -0300 From: Pedro A M Vazquez To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: system type 17 (ST_DEC_1000) Message-ID: <19990909153940.I16364@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello I have an old DEC Server 1000 I'd like to migrate to FreeBSD, on 3.2 the kernel panics with 'unsuported system type 17' Is there any chance this will be supported on a near future? Pedro -- .sig: license expired, contact your vendor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 11:44:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from lestat.nas.nasa.gov (lestat.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.33.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D1415198 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thorpej@lestat.nas.nasa.gov) Received: from lestat (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lestat.nas.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA18033; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909091843.LAA18033@lestat.nas.nasa.gov> To: "Kenneth D. Merry" Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu (Andrew Gallatin), cracauer@cons.org (Martin Cracauer), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DEC3000/x00 SCSI controller Reply-To: Jason Thorpe From: Jason Thorpe Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:43:14 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:47:03 -0600 (MDT) "Kenneth D. Merry" wrote: > I'm not sure I follow that... Do you mean that the NCR 53c94 chips > supported by the esp driver and the AMD 53c974 chips supported by the AMD > driver have the same interface? In NetBSD, there is a single NCR 53c9x driver that works with: Emulex ESP100, ESP100A, ESP200, ESP406 NCR or AMD 53c94, 53c96 Qlogic FAS216, FAS408 AMD 53c974 -- Jason R. Thorpe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 13: 7:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B8A14CFE for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 13:07:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01393 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:59:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909091959.MAA01393@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Libstand/netboot revision, call for review. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:59:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've heavily reworked the network infrastructure in libstand to try to remove the bulk of the cruft and generally clean it up. Casualties of this process are RARP and bootparam, neither of which are relevant to FreeBSD. Diffs at http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/stand.diff This required some changes to the SRM network driver in the Alpha loader, and I've cut it right down with the intention of doing the presettable parameters in a different fashion. Diffs at http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff I've tested that this code compiles and works to the extent that it will load a kernel using bootp and NFS. I haven't tested TFTP. Modulo bugs and the absence of a DHCP client, this is about where I want to leave things for now. There is still some ugliness in this code, but it's contained for the moment. (The most notable bug is the failure of 'ls' over NFS, which I'm chasing this afternoon.) -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 14: 6:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EA314C30 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA09423; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA99097; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:04:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:04:23 -0400 (EDT) To: Mike Smith Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libstand/netboot revision, call for review. In-Reply-To: <199909091959.MAA01393@dingo.cdrom.com> References: <199909091959.MAA01393@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14296.6191.373762.658775@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > This required some changes to the SRM network driver in the Alpha > loader, and I've cut it right down with the intention of doing the > presettable parameters in a different fashion. Diffs at > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff Do "presettable parameters" include setting the mac address when it cannot be extracted from the bowels of the SRM? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 14:22:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CF815259 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01735; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199909092114.OAA01735@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Libstand/netboot revision, call for review. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:04:23 EDT." <14296.6191.373762.658775@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 14:14:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Mike Smith writes: > > > This required some changes to the SRM network driver in the Alpha > > loader, and I've cut it right down with the intention of doing the > > presettable parameters in a different fashion. Diffs at > > http://www.freebsd.org/~msmith/alpha-boot.diff > > Do "presettable parameters" include setting the mac address when it > cannot be extracted from the bowels of the SRM? That was part of the plan, yes. Basically, I want to be able to stick arbitrary data into the environment very early on in the piece, and then have things like the SRM net driver pull them out. I don't have a machine that doesn't set the ethernet address in the booted-device string, so I don't know what it looks like in that case. BTW, if you have any idea how to get at all of the _other_ SRM variables (ie. apart from the 20 or so that have numbers), I'd be _very_ interested to hear it, as it seems kinda stupid to go back and bootp again when the firmware has only just done it... -- \\ The mind's the standard \\ Mike Smith \\ of the man. \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ -- Joseph Merrick \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Sep 9 19:14:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from po7.andrew.cmu.edu (PO7.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9A115368 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:14:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu) Received: (from postman@localhost) by po7.andrew.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04289 for FreeBSD-Alpha@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Jun.27.1996.03.02.53.sun4.51.EzMail.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix4.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4m.54 via MS.5.6.unix4.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4_51; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 22:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Valentino Crimi To: FreeBSD-Alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: data recovery with bad block 0 Cc: In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Silly me, of course the same day that I post this I see the same thread in -Hackers... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 0:20:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alien.bt.co.uk (orb.alien.bt.co.uk [132.146.196.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C06F1526B for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jah@alien.bt.co.uk) Received: from alien.bt.co.uk(really [132.146.123.202]) by mail.alien.bt.co.uk via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:18:45 +0100 (BST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3 built 1998-May-29) Message-ID: <37D8B0D7.28A72E60@alien.bt.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:18:49 +0100 From: Jake Hill Organization: died (received fatal signal 11) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Alpha gurus, I hope you can help with my problem, it is probably a FAQ but I didn't find the answer easily. I am trying to install 3.2-RELEASE on an 164LX board, but I'm not getting very far. When I try to boot kern.flp from the SRM console I get: >>>boot dva0 (boot dva0.0.0.0.0 -flags 0) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.0 is a valid boot block reading 14 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.0 bootstrap code read in base = 5e2000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1c00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 5d4000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Here it just hangs. The floppy light comes on but I think this is bogus. The board has 512Mb installed. I am not at all familiar with SRM, having only just installed it. Is there some documentation for it? Do I need to tell it anything other than just ``boot dva0''? Many thanks, /.J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 1:10: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C092714E5C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-4-81.ucdavis.edu [169.237.17.209]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA53501; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA29977; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:09:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 01:09:53 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Hill Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX Message-ID: <19990910010952.V90897@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <37D8B0D7.28A72E60@alien.bt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <37D8B0D7.28A72E60@alien.bt.co.uk> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am trying to install 3.2-RELEASE on an 164LX board, but I'm not > getting very far. When I try to boot kern.flp from the SRM console I get: ... > >>>boot dva0 ... > jumping to bootstrap code > > Here it just hangs. The floppy light comes on but I think this is bogus. Serial console, or real keyboard and monitor? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 2: 9:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alien.bt.co.uk (orb.alien.bt.co.uk [132.146.196.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7F0815193 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:09:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jah@Alien.BT.CO.UK) Received: from Alien.BT.CO.UK(really [132.146.196.227]) by mail.alien.bt.co.uk via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:08:44 +0100 (BST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3 built 1998-May-29) Message-ID: <37D8CAA2.79093D24@Alien.BT.CO.UK> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:08:50 +0100 From: Jake Hill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX References: <37D8B0D7.28A72E60@alien.bt.co.uk> <19990910010952.V90897@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > Here it just hangs. The floppy light comes on but I think this is bogus. > > Serial console, or real keyboard and monitor? I have a real keyboard and monitor. Should I be looking at the serial port? /.J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 2:27:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D985F14BC6 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (iras-2-83.ucdavis.edu [169.237.16.211]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA54893; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id CAA33377; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:26:07 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jake Hill Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX Message-ID: <19990910022607.Z90897@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <37D8B0D7.28A72E60@alien.bt.co.uk> <19990910010952.V90897@dragon.nuxi.com> <37D8CAA2.79093D24@Alien.BT.CO.UK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <37D8CAA2.79093D24@Alien.BT.CO.UK> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Here it just hangs. The floppy light comes on but I think this is bogus. > > Serial console, or real keyboard and monitor? > > I have a real keyboard and monitor. Should I be looking at the serial port? No. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 5:21: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.netplex.com.au [202.12.86.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3020F14ECA for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E11AA1CAE; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:19:44 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: Jake Hill , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:26:07 MST." <19990910022607.Z90897@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:19:44 +0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <19990910121944.E11AA1CAE@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" wrote: > > > > Here it just hangs. The floppy light comes on but I think this is bogus . > > > Serial console, or real keyboard and monitor? > > > > I have a real keyboard and monitor. Should I be looking at the serial port? > > No. It seems that the standard remedy is to do a 'set console graphics' at the SRM >>> prompt... (of course, if it's already that way, then something else is wrong) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 5:38:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DF71512F for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA49887; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:37:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:37:34 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Thomas Valentino Crimi Cc: FreeBSD-Alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: data recovery with bad block 0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Thomas Valentino Crimi wrote: > > Are there any methods/tools that can aid in recovering the data from a > drive which has suffered a media failure on block 0? (As a matter of > fact, I'm not quite sure yet if the failure is total, or only block 0, > at the time I didn't have anything but SRM and the install floppy to go > on). I'm imagining it should be easy to find the first partition, and > possibly gauge it's size (??) and find the second, and so on.. to > reconstruct the partiton offsets. The drive in question is a SCSI, > which I believe I installed as 'dangerously' dedicated. > What can I do to do this on-disk? Or am I forced to copy the drive > elsewhere? I'm fairly limited in terms of storage, but well motivated > to do it :) I'm picturing the worst will be if block 0 cannot even be > written to, as then the kernel will never accept it? > What kind of a drive is it? Modern drives should be able to remap bad sectors. for copying the drive use dd if=/dev/rdrive of=/free/space/here conv=noerror,sync After replacing drive and the path to the file, of course 8-) > > - Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 7: 8:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alien.bt.co.uk (orb.alien.bt.co.uk [132.146.196.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 93B5514C49 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jah@Alien.BT.CO.UK) Received: from Alien.BT.CO.UK(really [132.146.196.227]) by mail.alien.bt.co.uk via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:07:22 +0100 (BST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #3 built 1998-May-29) Message-ID: <37D910A0.9DD1668C@Alien.BT.CO.UK> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:07:28 +0100 From: Jake Hill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SRM won't bootstrap kern.flp on my 164LX References: <19990910121944.E11AA1CAE@overcee.netplex.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > It seems that the standard remedy is to do a 'set console graphics' at the > SRM >>> prompt... (of course, if it's already that way, then something > else is wrong) Ahh! >>>show console console serial I have more fun when I set this to graphics (I did need to power cycle to get it to pick up the new setting though). SRM now also prints a version string and gives me the >>> prompt when then machine is switched on. Previously I saw no version string (it was going to the serial port I guess) and I had to type C-x to get the prompt. I didn't understand this, until now. Many thanks for your help. /.J To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 11: 6:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D71314CC1; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA16539; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:06:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909101806.OAA16539@misha.cisco.com> Subject: most FreeBSD-like Linux To: questions@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Being forced into a Linux land by FreeBSD's inability to run on my AlphaXL 300, I need to choose a Linux distribution. I'm not asking "which is the best one", but "which is the most FreeBSD-like"? I put the Debian on so far, and it seems nice, but different from FreeBSD... Thanks for your input, -mi P.S. Why can't boot/loader or kernel be booted from MILO? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 11:14:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msx4.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu [128.147.18.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770FF14CC1; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: <576A688A7DA7D011899B00805FEA1AFF8C729F@sych02.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: "'mi@aldan.algebra.com'" , questions@freebsd.org, alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RE: most FreeBSD-like Linux Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:14:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Slackware tried to be the most 'UNIX like' of the linux distros. I would say it file structure layout is the closest you come to a FreeBSD like system. I used Debian. I'm not sure it Slackware has a Alpha version. Redhat and Caldera are the furthest for FreeBSD, IMHO. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mikhail Teterin [SMTP:mi@aldan.algebra.com] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:07 PM > To: questions@freebsd.org; alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: most FreeBSD-like Linux > > Hi! Being forced into a Linux land by FreeBSD's inability to run on my > AlphaXL 300, I need to choose a Linux distribution. I'm not asking > "which is the best one", but "which is the most FreeBSD-like"? I put the > Debian on so far, and it seems nice, but different from FreeBSD... > > Thanks for your input, > > -mi > > P.S. Why can't boot/loader or kernel be booted from MILO? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 11:24:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tucows.com (mail.tucows.com [208.229.216.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB83515DEC; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:24:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arthur@tucows.com) Received: from Arthur.Linuxberg (starwars.linuxberg.org [208.229.216.41]) by mail.tucows.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03389; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:24:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (arthur@localhost) by Arthur.Linuxberg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03585; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Arthur.Linuxberg: arthur owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-Sender: arthur@Arthur.Linuxberg To: "Person, Roderick" Cc: "'mi@aldan.algebra.com'" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: most FreeBSD-like Linux In-Reply-To: <576A688A7DA7D011899B00805FEA1AFF8C729F@sych02.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think they (caldera and redhat) are both closer to Windows than Unix. Arthur H. Johnson II http://www.linuxberg.com Linuxberg Manager arthur@tucows.com On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Person, Roderick wrote: > Slackware tried to be the most 'UNIX like' of the linux distros. I would say > it file structure layout is the closest you come to a FreeBSD like system. I > used Debian. I'm not sure it Slackware has a Alpha version. Redhat and > Caldera are the furthest for FreeBSD, IMHO. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mikhail Teterin [SMTP:mi@aldan.algebra.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:07 PM > > To: questions@freebsd.org; alpha@freebsd.org > > Subject: most FreeBSD-like Linux > > > > Hi! Being forced into a Linux land by FreeBSD's inability to run on my > > AlphaXL 300, I need to choose a Linux distribution. I'm not asking > > "which is the best one", but "which is the most FreeBSD-like"? I put the > > Debian on so far, and it seems nice, but different from FreeBSD... > > > > Thanks for your input, > > > > -mi > > > > P.S. Why can't boot/loader or kernel be booted from MILO? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 11:33:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from 1upmc-msx4.isdip.upmc.edu (1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu [128.147.18.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747F814E6D; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:33:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from personrp@ccbh.com) Received: by 1upmc-msx4.isdbu.upmc.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:32:50 -0400 Message-ID: <576A688A7DA7D011899B00805FEA1AFF8C72A2@sych02.isdip.upmc.edu> From: "Person, Roderick" To: "'mgraffam@idsi.net'" , "Person, Roderick" Cc: "'mi@aldan.algebra.com'" , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: most FreeBSD-like Linux Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:32:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well if you gotta scratch slack, I'd go with Debian. Redhat's makes thier own layout that is different from where the documentation tell's you to look for things. I used Debian for two years, and I have been using FreeBSD exclusivly for the last two months and except for different device names and file placement the layout is similar. For example in Debian the only things that go in /local or file you purposely put there every thing else is put into /usr/bin or /usr/X11R6/bin. > -----Original Message----- > From: mgraffam@idsi.net [SMTP:mgraffam@idsi.net] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:20 PM > To: Person, Roderick > Cc: 'mi@aldan.algebra.com'; questions@FreeBSD.ORG; alpha@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: most FreeBSD-like Linux > > On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Person, Roderick wrote: > > > Slackware tried to be the most 'UNIX like' of the linux distros. I would > say > > it file structure layout is the closest you come to a FreeBSD like > system. I > > used Debian. I'm not sure it Slackware has a Alpha version. Redhat and > > Caldera are the furthest for FreeBSD, IMHO. > > Yeah, on x86, Slack is probably the way to go if you're looking for > something like BSD.. but there is no Alpha distro of Slackware.. that > leaves Debian, Redhat, and Suse.. all of which have a filesystem layout > that is pretty dissimilar from BSD. > > As far a 'feel' goes, I'd scratch Suse.. and say that it is a toss up > between Debian and RH. > > Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam@idsi.net) > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin, ~1784 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 11:43: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from misha.cisco.com (misha.cisco.com [171.69.206.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3243F14E43; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:42:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@misha.cisco.com) Received: (from mi@localhost) by misha.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA16728; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:42:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi) Message-Id: <199909101842.OAA16728@misha.cisco.com> Subject: Re: most FreeBSD-like Linux In-Reply-To: from "mgraffam@idsi.net" at "Sep 10, 1999 02:15:28 pm" To: mgraffam@idsi.net Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: mi@aldan.algebra.com From: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mgraffam@idsi.net once wrote: > > Hi! Being forced into a Linux land by FreeBSD's inability to run on > > my AlphaXL 300, I need to choose a Linux distribution. I'm > > not asking "which is the best one", but "which is the most > > FreeBSD-like"? I put the Debian on so far, and it seems nice, but > > different from FreeBSD... > Well, it depends on what you mean by "FreeBSD-like".. are we talking > system layout, bundled apps, configurabilty, .. ?? It is the layout and configurabilty. > If you want a large number of bundled, free apps, Debian is the way to > go. If you're looking for commercial support, then look at RH.. you > can always compile the free apps yourself. I doubt, those commercial companies who support a particular dist of Linux support Alpha anyway. XiG does not -- as I found out yesterday, for example. I can probably survive any dist, I just don't want to be annoyed too much by it being different from FreeBSD. Thanks! -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 12: 5: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bekool.com (ns2.netquick.net [216.48.34.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05A15D08; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 12:04:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trouble@hackfurby.com) Received: from bastille.netquick.net ([216.48.32.159] helo=hackfurby.com) by bekool.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11PWKt-0002t9-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:27:51 +0000 Message-ID: <37DAB65A.4E05FAC4@hackfurby.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:06:50 -0500 From: TrouBle Reply-To: trouble@hackfurby.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-19990816-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mi@aldan.algebra.com Cc: mgraffam@idsi.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: most FreeBSD-like Linux References: <199909101842.OAA16728@misha.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ummm FreeBSD runs on alphas ... and if not, try either NetBSD or OpenBSD either is a far better choice then linux. > mgraffam@idsi.net once wrote: > > > > Hi! Being forced into a Linux land by FreeBSD's inability to run on > > > my AlphaXL 300, I need to choose a Linux distribution. I'm > > > not asking "which is the best one", but "which is the most > > > FreeBSD-like"? I put the Debian on so far, and it seems nice, but > > > different from FreeBSD... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Sep 10 18:28: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EC314BF3 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:27:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jnavarro@cs.rice.edu) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA12919 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:27:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37D9B01D.E9E3CF4E@cs.rice.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:27:57 -0500 From: "Juan E. Navarro" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Problem booting from a second disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everyone. I have an XP1000 with two disks, and I'm trying to install FreeBSD on the second one (the first one has Digital Unix). The instalation process went smoothly, but I cannot boot from the second disk. The boot loader seems to be installed, but I get: ------------- >>>boot dka200 (boot dka200.2.0.6.1 -flags a) block 0 of dka200.2.0.6.1 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka200.2.0.6.1 bootstrap code read in base = 19e000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1fff0000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Loadig /boot/loader I/O request to dka200.2.0.6.1 is invalid (check type, offset, and size) Can't open file /boot/loader halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 HALT instruction executed PC = 20000038 boot failure >>> ------------- I'm using the 4.0-19990808-CURRENT snapshot. Any advice? Thanks for your help. -- ++*Juan-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 0:12:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a123.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808B414BD6 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:12:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA12442 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:12:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AXP pci/33 & memory question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just inherited a pci/33 board -- 21066 @ 166MHz, no cache RAM installed... (Not the fastest thing on the planet, but it was free...:) I know this board takes 70ns 72-pin parity RAM -- I'm fresh outta parity RAM right now unless I steal some from one of the other machines, which really isn't an option for about three weeks... I tried to put some non-parity RAM on it just for kicks, and it appears to be dead -- doesn't do much at all - no PCI video card init, no speaker beeps, no nuthin'. Same results as if I had no memory in it at all... Is this normal?? (Should I go spend the $80 to get some parity RAM for a board that might not work anyway?) mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 0:16:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3a123.neo.rr.com [24.93.180.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281BF14BD6 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA12485; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:16:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 03:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: "Person, Roderick" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: most FreeBSD-like Linux In-Reply-To: <576A688A7DA7D011899B00805FEA1AFF8C729F@sych02.isdip.upmc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Slackware tried to be the most 'UNIX like' of the linux distros. I would say > it file structure layout is the closest you come to a FreeBSD like system. I > used Debian. I'm not sure it Slackware has a Alpha version. Redhat and > Caldera are the furthest for FreeBSD, IMHO. I tried RedHat 5.1 on my AS200 4/233 -- it was less than stable, to say the least... If they're going to make an Alpha distribution, they should at least clean up the 32/64 bit problems so you don't get an "Unaligned access error" when you try to do a "df"... Of course, I get the same message on the Alpha 3000/500s machines at work when running DSM under DEC UNIX..... ho, hum. That's what they get from just re-compiling VAX code... mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 5:56:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAD914A2A for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26357; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:52:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely8.cicely.de (cicely8.cicely.de [10.1.2.10]) by mail.cicely.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA66434; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:53:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely8.cicely.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA36419; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:53:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:53:19 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Mike Nowlin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question Message-ID: <19990911145319.A36391@cicely8.cicely.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Nowlin on Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 03:12:52AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 03:12:52AM -0400, Mike Nowlin wrote: > > I tried to put some non-parity RAM on it just for kicks, and it appears to > be dead -- doesn't do much at all - no PCI video card init, no speaker > beeps, no nuthin'. Same results as if I had no memory in it at all... I own such a board. It won't run without parity ram. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 9:13:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8724214DE5 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rdabney@lasg.com) Received: from lasg.com (mg134-115.ricochet.net [204.179.134.115]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06514 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:13:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37DA7838.B887D97@lasg.com> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:44 -0600 From: Richard Dabney Organization: Los Alamos Systems Group X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I has to have parity memory and these are the symptoms of not having it. I have a 233 that I overclock to 266 and it's still real slow. A 166 w/o cache? I would wait three weeks so you can see how slow this thing really is. RD Mike Nowlin wrote: > > Just inherited a pci/33 board -- 21066 @ 166MHz, no cache RAM installed... > (Not the fastest thing on the planet, but it was free...:) > > I know this board takes 70ns 72-pin parity RAM -- I'm fresh outta parity > RAM right now unless I steal some from one of the other machines, which > really isn't an option for about three weeks... > > I tried to put some non-parity RAM on it just for kicks, and it appears to > be dead -- doesn't do much at all - no PCI video card init, no speaker > beeps, no nuthin'. Same results as if I had no memory in it at all... > > Is this normal?? (Should I go spend the $80 to get some parity RAM for a > board that might not work anyway?) > > mike > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Richard Dabney Los Alamos Systems Group 901 Rio Grande Blvd. NW #561 Albuquerque, NM 87104 USA rdabney@lasg.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 9:41:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from doorman.brann.org (remote-brann-gw.nyc.dsl.access.net [166.84.145.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E3C8153E4 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from freebie.brann.org (freebie.brann.org [10.0.0.2]) by doorman.brann.org (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA58866 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by freebie.brann.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA00615 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john) From: John Brann Message-Id: <199909111641.MAA00615@freebie.brann.org> Subject: booting freebsd without a floppy or CD To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have access to an old alpha workstation (a 266, I think) which I'd like to try FreeBSD on. uname -mrsv shows: OSF1 V3.2 41 alpha The machine has no floppy drive, and its CD seems not to be working (attempts to mount a CD are greeted with I/O errors). I read recently a trick for booting from the swap partition, so I downloaded the boot.flp image, shut down to single user mode, dd'd the floppy into the swap partition. I then rebooted and resirected the boot to the swap partition by specifying the device node name. The message I got was 'Invalid a.out image' (I'm paraphrasing) That made me think that the boot loader could only load an a.out kernel, and that I'm stuck. Any other ideas, or is anything obviously wrong here? John Please cc me, I'm not on the alpha list. -- Unreal City, Under the brown fog of a winter dawn, finger john@doorman.brann.org for pgp public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 9:57:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from doorman.brann.org (remote-brann-gw.nyc.dsl.access.net [166.84.145.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1E214D6E for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from freebie.brann.org (freebie.brann.org [10.0.0.2]) by doorman.brann.org (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA58805 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from john@localhost) by freebie.brann.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id OAA07997 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:46:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from john) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:46:52 -0400 From: John Brann To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installing on an old Alpha without a floppy Message-ID: <19990908144652.A7900@freebie.brann.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Organization: Not while I'm at home Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have access to an old alpha workstation (a 266, I think) which I'd like to try FreeBSD on. uname -mrsv shows: OSF1 V3.2 41 alpha The machine has no floppy drive, and its CD seems not to be working (attempts to mount a CD are greeted with I/O errors). I read recently a trick for booting from the swap partition, so I downloaded the boot.flp image, shut down to single user mode, dd'd the floppy into the swap partition. I then rebooted and resirected the boot to the swap partition by specifying the device node name. The message I got was 'Invalid a.out image' (I'm paraphrasing) That made me think that the boot loader could only load an a.out kernel, and that I'm stuck. Any other ideas, or is anything obviously wrong here? John Please cc me, I'm not on the alpha list. -- Unreal City, Under the brown fog of a winter dawn, finger john@doorman.brann.org for pgp public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 10:31:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EB6514E28 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sthaug@nethelp.no) Received: (qmail 68263 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Sep 1999 17:31:34 +0000 (GMT) To: rdabney@lasg.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:41:44 -0600" References: <37DA7838.B887D97@lasg.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:31:34 +0200 Message-ID: <68261.937071094@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I has to have parity memory and these are the symptoms of not having it. > I have a 233 that I overclock to 266 and it's still real slow. If you think a 233 is slow, you should try to the 100 Mhz 21064 :-) (I have it running here with -CURRENT, but it's impressively slow.) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 12:26:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from calis.blacksun.org (Calis.blacksun.org [168.100.186.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA3E14EC1 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Received: from localhost (don@localhost) by calis.blacksun.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA21595; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from don@calis.blacksun.org) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Don To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: rdabney@lasg.com, alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question In-Reply-To: <68261.937071094@verdi.nethelp.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If you think a 233 is slow, you should try to the 100 Mhz 21064 :-) > (I have it running here with -CURRENT, but it's impressively slow.) 233 slow? I have to wonder exactly what everyone here is trying to do with their alphas? I use my 3 alphas as primary nameserver, secondary name server and firewall. They are 21064 233's and they are extremely useable, quite fast and in general a nice machine to work with. If you want to greatly improve the speed of your alpha you really need to make sure it has enough memory. 96 megs is the minimum I would put (and is what I do have in mine) in for a useable system. Obviously more is always fun. These are not the latest and greatest machine that Compaq makes and for how old they are and how cheap mine were I think they are excellent machines. -Don To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 14:15:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eta.ghs.com (eta.ghs.com [208.8.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED30E153F9 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:15:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ross@teraflop.com) Received: [from random.teraflop.com (random.teraflop.com [192.67.158.207]) by eta.ghs.com (eta-antispam 0.2) with ESMTP id OAA12809; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:15:09 -0700 (PDT)] Received: (from ross@localhost) by random.teraflop.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02156; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:15:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Harvey Message-Id: <199909112115.OAA02156@random.teraflop.com> To: don@calis.blacksun.org, sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, rdabney@lasg.com Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Don ::: > > > [ axppci33 is slow ] ::: > > If you think a 233 is slow, you should try to the 100 Mhz 21064 :-) > > (I have it running here with -CURRENT, but it's impressively slow.) ::: > 233 slow? I have to wonder exactly what everyone here is trying to do with > their alphas? I use my 3 alphas as primary nameserver, secondary name > server and firewall. They are 21064 233's and they are extremely useable, > quite fast and in general a nice machine to work with. If you want to > greatly improve the speed of your alpha you really need to make sure it > has enough memory. 96 megs is the minimum I would put (and is what I do > have in mine) in for a useable system. Obviously more is always fun. These > are not the latest and greatest machine that Compaq makes and for how old > they are and how cheap mine were I think they are excellent machines. You guys are comparing apples and oranges, and getting confused. The axppci33 is a 21066, or `lca'. It's dog slow at any clock rate. The 21064, or `ev4', although it has about the same execution core, and although it came out _earlier_, is just plain way faster at the same clock rate, apparently because of its greater memory or cache bandwidth. Here is a simple benchmark I ran on several NetBSD/alpha systems: CPU System Time Cycles/S Cycles 21264 264dp 2.8 500 MHz 1400 M 21164 eb164 9.3 266 MHz 2474 M 21064 pc64 13.9 274 MHz 3809 M 21064 as200 17.4 233 MHz 4054 M 21066 Multia 53.4 166 MHz 8864 M A Multia is basically an axppci33 with lots of integrated peripherals and snazzy packaging. It is basically the same speed, adjusting for clock rate, but look out: _some_ axppci33's have no bcache, and the last thing a dog-slow processor needs is to run without a cache level. Anyway, note that the Multia requires 2.19x as many total cycles as my as200, which _also_ has a narrow dram memory bus (so the memory bandwidth folklore isn't completely correct) and 2.33x as many total cycles as my pc64. Also, for those who thought it was a reasonable test to race an old 164sx board with a previous-generation CPU running one compiler against a recent PII with a _different_ compiler, please note carefully the speed of a comparable (i.e., recent) alpha. Ross Harvey ross@netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Sep 11 14:43:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from eta.ghs.com (eta.ghs.com [208.8.104.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7806614D18 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:43:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ross@teraflop.com) Received: [from random.teraflop.com (random.teraflop.com [192.67.158.207]) by eta.ghs.com (eta-antispam 0.2) with ESMTP id OAA12872; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT)] Received: (from ross@localhost) by random.teraflop.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA02443; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:31:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ross Harvey Message-Id: <199909112131.OAA02443@random.teraflop.com> To: don@calis.blacksun.org, ross@ghs.com, sthaug@nethelp.no Subject: Re: AXP pci/33 & memory question Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, rdabney@lasg.com Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Urk, I probably should have specified the benchmark test itself: % time make tcp_input.o If you try this yourself, remember that my results are all from NetBSD. Ross Harvey ross@netbsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message