From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 1:27:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1470D14BEF for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 01:27:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.169.12]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA46E3; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:27:47 +0100 Message-ID: <381C0BC6.CE55DA2@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 10:28:38 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin , "freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: osf1 problem/netscape not running, error message says: References: <14359.43410.495963.975277@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14360.62787.116526.830259@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3819F192.CEFEB1BA@capitolonline.nl> <14362.17827.942878.205141@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <381B7828.FE3B14EE@capitolonline.nl> <14363.31595.631986.159740@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, The /lib/X11 stuff is not there.... I unpacked as I was instructed by the Linux guys who gave me the stuff. It works for him this way, but on BSD we need some additional stuff ? Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Aernoudt Bottemanne writes: > > > netscape: locale 'C' not supported > > perhaps the $XNLSPATH environment variable is not set correctly ? > > Warning: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C > > Warning: X locale modifiers not supported, using default > > X Error: BadAtom > > Request Major code 18 () > > AtomID 0x0 > > Error Serial #27 > > Current Serial #32 > > Do you have all the OSF/1 X11 stuff installed?: > > <7:13pm>bacon/gallatin:~>ls /compat/osf1/usr/lib/X11/locale > Compose/ compose.dir locale.dir > XLC_LOCALE/ locale.alias tbl_data/ > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 17:23:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A776414D00 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA15643; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA44091; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:22:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:22:47 -0500 (EST) To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: osf1 problem/netscape not running, error message says: In-Reply-To: <381C0BC6.CE55DA2@capitolonline.nl> References: <14359.43410.495963.975277@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <14360.62787.116526.830259@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3819F192.CEFEB1BA@capitolonline.nl> <14362.17827.942878.205141@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <381B7828.FE3B14EE@capitolonline.nl> <14363.31595.631986.159740@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <381C0BC6.CE55DA2@capitolonline.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14364.59838.857854.984258@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Aernoudt Bottemanne writes: > No, The /lib/X11 stuff is not there.... > I unpacked as I was instructed by the Linux guys who > gave me the stuff. It works for him this way, but on BSD we need > some additional stuff ? They may already have links to find it, I don't know. I've never noticed because all my machines are licensed for OSF/1 & I generally mount the real OSF filesystem under /compat/osf1. If you don't have anything in /compat/osf1/usr/lib/X11, you need to do #ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 /compat/osf1/usr/lib This will allow netscape to find the locale directory. #ls -F /compat/osf1/usr/lib/X11/ Cards fs/ twm/ XErrorDB fvwm2/ x11perfcomp/ XF86Config.eg gv/ xdm/ XF86Setup/ lbxproxy/ xinit/ XKeysymDB lesstif/ xkb/ app-defaults/ locale/ xman.help config/ mwm/ xserver/ doc/ proxymngr/ xsm/ etc/ rgb.txt xv_mgcsfx.sample fonts/ rstart/ Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 20:48: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wartch.sapros.com (rularan.sapros.com [204.182.55.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F6614CAA for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:48:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterh@wartch.sapros.com) Received: from wartch.sapros.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wartch.sapros.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00901 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterh@wartch.sapros.com) Message-Id: <199911010447.UAA00901@wartch.sapros.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Installing with no floppy. Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:47:58 -0800 From: Peter Haight Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My DEC box doesn't have a floppy. How can I get FreeBSD on there? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 21:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE7414C59 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:14:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40397>; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:08:39 +1100 Content-return: prohibited Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:13:43 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Installing with no floppy. In-reply-to: <199911010447.UAA00901@wartch.sapros.com> To: Peter Haight Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Message-Id: <99Nov1.160839est.40397@border.alcanet.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <199911010447.UAA00901@wartch.sapros.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 1999-Nov-01 15:47:58 +1100, Peter Haight wrote: >My DEC box doesn't have a floppy. How can I get FreeBSD on there? If you have a SCSI CD-ROM, boot from that, otherwise you can netboot over Ethernet. Brief netbooting description is: On your boot server: - Extract netboot[1] from /boot and place in suitable spot for tftp. - Configure tftp to allow your DEC box to read netboot. - Configure BOOTP[2] as appropriate to tell your DEC box to boot netboot. - Extract kernel.gz from the 2.88MB boot floppy image. Put it somewhere where it can be read from the DEC box via NFS. - Have the rest of the install kit suitably to hand. On your client: - At the SRM prompt, type `boot -p bootp -fl a ewa0' after a suitable delay, you should be presented with the install screen. You should also check out http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/netboot.html [1] Old versions of the SRM are broken in a variety of ways. The most popular is that they require the MAC address to be hard- coded in netboot. This can be done with a binary editor and a hex calculator if you don't have an Alpha build environment to hand. The Multia SRM is broken in ways that are incompatible with the standard netboot (let me know if this will affect you). [2] The SRM always uses BOOTP. Old (3.2-RELEASE and earlier, I'm not sure about 3.3) versions of netboot [mis-]used DHCP - requiring you to configure a DHCP server. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 21:50:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1086F14E6F for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00414 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: New alpha snapshot on ftp.freebsd.org Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:50:21 -0800 Message-ID: <410.941431821@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-19991031-CURRENT Come 'n get it! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Oct 31 22:17:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wartch.sapros.com (rularan.sapros.com [204.182.55.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0F814EDA for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:17:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterh@wartch.sapros.com) Received: from wartch.sapros.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wartch.sapros.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA01211; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:17:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterh@wartch.sapros.com) Message-Id: <199911010617.WAA01211@wartch.sapros.com> To: peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au Subject: Re: Installing with no floppy. Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:17:26 -0800 From: Peter Haight Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hmm. Nevermind. I have been reading up and I have a DEC 3000/500 with the onboard SCSI. Apparantly FreeBSD does not support that kind of SCSI controller. I'll see what I can do with one of the other BSDs. Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Nov 1 18:11: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A3B152F2 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:10:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from freebsd.cybcon.com (william@pm3b-12.cybcon.com [205.147.75.77]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA03272 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 18:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: william woods Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Problem booting new SCSI drive in Alpha..... Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:59:09 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99110117084700.00324@freebsd.cybcon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just put a new SCSI drive in my Alphastation 200 4/233. I installed from CDrom and that was fine, but after the install is finished, it says system will halt. That is fine. When I get to the SRM console I type "boot dka0" but this is what I get: (boot dka0.0.6.0 -flags a) block 0 of dka0.0.0.6.0 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dka0.0.0.6.0 bootstrap code read in base = 1f3000, image start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1e4000 initializing machiene state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to the bootstrap code loading /boot/loader Can't open file /boot/loader halted CPU 0 halt code = 5 Halt instruction executed PC = 200000038 any help with this would be appreciated. also, for what its worth, here is a copy of "show device" as it relates to my SCSI drives. dka0.0.0.6.0 DKA0 WDIGTL ENTERPRISE 1.91 dka500.5.0.6.0 DKA500 COMPAQ CD_ROM CR-503BCQ 1.1i -- William Woods FreeBSD 3.3-Stable wwoods@cybcon.com wwoods@or.freei.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 8: 9:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from www.geocrawler.com (police.varesearch.com [209.81.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC8015410 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@www.geocrawler.com) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.geocrawler.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03068; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:08:10 -0800 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:08:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199911021608.IAA03068@www.geocrawler.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: BLOCKED root: digital unix From: "Neeraj Bhatia" Reply-To: "Neeraj Bhatia" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by "Neeraj Bhatia" Be sure to reply to that address. Dear Freinds, I am running dig unix on alpha. Till yesterday I was receiving a message saying that root passwd would expire dec 7.So i treid to increase the life time through dxaccounts Now the m/c refuses to take root logins. It doesnot allow any other user logins too Message at CDE screen on root logon is "root disabled-contact Accounts Administrator" Pl. help as I have to get out of this problem without re-installing Thx. in advance Neeraj Bhatia System Admin DOM,USC LA Geocrawler.com - The Knowledge Archive To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 8:29:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from web1002.mail.yahoo.com (web1002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC9FE156F1 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:29:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jimkingtx@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19991102162950.11406.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.132.78.137] by web1002.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:29:50 PST Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 08:29:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jim King Reply-To: king@sstar.com Subject: Build broken To: alpha@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From a cvsup this morning: cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: In function `alpha_register_pci_scsi': ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: `boot_sim' undeclared (first use in this function) ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: for each function it appears in.) ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: At top level: ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:134: warning: `bootdev_unit' defined but not used *** Error code 1 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 9:12: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC20315453 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:11:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from telemate ([206.135.117.1]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:11:58 -0800 Message-ID: <00fc01bf2555$440947d0$700a10ac@sierrahealth.com> From: "Mark Holloway" To: Subject: Just joined. Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:11:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just joined the Alpha FreeBSD list. Anyone around? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 11:32: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles556.castles.com [208.214.165.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BBA1523B for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:31:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00909; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:21:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199911021921.LAA00909@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: king@sstar.com Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Build broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Nov 1999 08:29:50 PST." <19991102162950.11406.rocketmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:21:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks; I *think* I've fixed this, though there's a lot more work there yet to be done. > >From a cvsup this morning: > > cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include > -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: In function `alpha_register_pci_scsi': > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: `boot_sim' undeclared (first use in this > function) > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: (Each undeclared identifier is reported > only once > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: for each function it appears in.) > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: At top level: > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:134: warning: `bootdev_unit' defined but not > used > *** Error code 1 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 12:49:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from logisticsoftware.co.nz (logisticsoftware.co.nz [202.37.163.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E6815468 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:49:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonc@logisticsoftware.co.nz) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by logisticsoftware.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25080; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:31:31 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:31:31 +1300 (NZDT) From: Jonathan Chen To: Neeraj Bhatia Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BLOCKED root: digital unix In-Reply-To: <199911021608.IAA03068@www.geocrawler.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Neeraj Bhatia wrote: > This message was sent from Geocrawler.com by "Neeraj Bhatia" > Be sure to reply to that address. > > Dear Freinds, > I am running dig unix on alpha. Till yesterday I was receiving a message saying that root passwd would expire dec 7.So i treid to increase the life time through dxaccounts So, shouldn't you be calling your support Contacts at Digital^W Compaq for this instead of the *FreeBSD* list? Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck!" - Curly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 13:25:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A9FD14C35 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from telemate ([206.135.117.1]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:25:33 -0800 Message-ID: <002001bf2578$b03fd5e0$700a10ac@sierrahealth.com> From: "Mark Holloway" To: "Alpha FreeBSD" Subject: STB GLyder TX Gold Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:24:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone tried using the STB GLyder TX Gold video card (uses 500TX Gold chip) with FreeBSD? Here is the rumor/synopsis under Linux: With Metrolink's Metro-X server under Linux Alpha it works fine as long as the card is in one of the two 64-bit slots (on a 500a PWS). Under Xfree86 some say it works some say it doesn't. I don't know if it's a Linux thing or an X thing, but just thought I'd ask..as I'm going to install FreeBSD on my Alpha 500a PWS shortly! Thanks, Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 15:27:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cmpharm.ucsf.edu (cmpharm.ucsf.edu [128.218.67.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0401C14EBA for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:27:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from steve@cmpharm.ucsf.edu) Received: from piglet.ucsf.edu (piglet.ucsf.edu [128.218.67.20]) by cmpharm.ucsf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27012 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by piglet.ucsf.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA79101 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:27:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:27:03 -0800 From: Steve Sizemore To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 Message-ID: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hoping that something here will ring a bell with someone... I have two alphas running -current. One is a 21164, and I've been able to keep it up to date. However, on my 21264 (Digital/Compaq XP1000) I've been unable to get a buildworld to complete for almost a month. Now I find that I can't even build a bootable kernel. (The kernel builds, but the boot fails when trying to mount root.) I'm able to boot it with a kernel that I built on 10/7, and that is what I'm running right now. However, trying to make buildworld, it gets as far as building libncurses, and stops. ===> libncurses sed curses.h -e "/@NCURSES_MAJOR@/s//5/" -e "/@NCURSES_MINOR@/s//0/" -e "/@NCURSES_PATCH@/s//990821/" -e "/@NCURSES_CONST@/s///" -e "s/@cf_cv_builtin_bool@/1/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_cc_bool_type@/0/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_type_of_bool@/char/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_typeof_chtype@/long/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_widec_shift@/8/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_shift_limit@/32/g" -e "s/@cf_cv_1UL@/1UL/g" sh /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include/MKhashsize.sh /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include/Caps > hashsize.h awk -f /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/ncurses/tinfo/MKnames.awk /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/include/Caps *** Signal 4 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. I even tried (unsuccessfully) to install a recent snapshot to get back on track. I tried booting the kern floppy from the 19990915 snapshot, which dropped back to SRM before ever requesting the mfsroot floppy. I also tried the 19991031 version, which got further along, but hangs on the screen where it is probing for devices. I'd be happy to provide any more info, if you have any ideas, but I'm starting to wonder if there may be a hardware problem. I know that other people are running -current on this and similar machines. -- ----------------------------------------------#-----#--#####--------------- # # # # Steve Sizemore # # # Dept. of Cellular and Molecular Pharmacology # # # Box 0450, Room HSE-1285 # # # University of California Medical Center # # # # 513 Parnassus Avenue ##### ##### ##### ####### San Francisco CA 94143-0450 # # # # # steve@cmpharm.ucsf.edu ##### ##### (415) 476-6987 FAX: (415) 476-6515 # # # # # -------------------------------------------------------------#####--#------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 15:51:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sstar.com (sstar.com [209.102.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C7A14C39 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 15:51:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from MAROON ([134.132.228.8]) by sstar.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5s/64) id 5114400; Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:50:24 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991102174906.00ae9438@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 17:50:24 -0600 To: Mike Smith From: Jim King Subject: Re: Build broken Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199911021921.LAA00909@dingo.cdrom.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oops, I think this particular one was user error on my part - a later build (after a make includes) went OK. Jim At 11:21 AM 11/2/1999 -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >Thanks; I *think* I've fixed this, though there's a lot more work there >yet to be done. > > > >From a cvsup this morning: > > > > cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes > > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual > > -fformat-extensions -ansi -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../.. -I../../../include > > -DKERNEL -include opt_global.h -mno-fp-regs -Wa,-mev56 > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: In function `alpha_register_pci_scsi': > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: `boot_sim' undeclared (first use in this > > function) > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: (Each undeclared identifier is reported > > only once > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:180: for each function it appears in.) > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c: At top level: > > ../../alpha/alpha/autoconf.c:134: warning: `bootdev_unit' defined but not > > used > > *** Error code 1 > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > >-- >\\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith >\\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org >\\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 17:33: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D8115812 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA17043; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA03919; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:31:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:31:18 -0500 (EST) To: Steve Sizemore Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 In-Reply-To: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Sizemore writes: > *** Signal 4 > > I even tried (unsuccessfully) to install a recent snapshot to get > back on track. I tried booting the kern floppy from the 19990915 > snapshot, which dropped back to SRM before ever requesting the > mfsroot floppy. I also tried the 19991031 version, which got further > along, but hangs on the screen where it is probing for devices. > > I'd be happy to provide any more info, if you have any ideas, but > I'm starting to wonder if there may be a hardware problem. I know > that other people are running -current on this and similar machines. > This is very strange. I did a number of buildworlds on my xp1000s during October. I've never seen anything like these problems. What sort of devices do you have in the box? Anything really weird? How much RAM? I'm thinking perhaps it could be either memory or cache errors, but you should be seeing an incorrectable machine check if things get that bad. Have you seen any mention of correctable machine checks? Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Nov 2 21:51:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F38414C39; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:51:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from freebsd.cybcon.com (william@pm3b-38.cybcon.com [205.147.75.103]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA03541; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 21:51:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: William Woods To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Make world error on todays cvsup...... Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doing a make world on a DEC Alpha 200 4/233 I get this: The command that produced this was make -DNOGAMES -j 4 world ---------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 cam/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/cam cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 msdosfs/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/msdosfs cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 net/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/net cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netatalk/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netatalk cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netatm/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netatm cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netgraph/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netgraph cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netinet/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netinet cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netipx/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netipx cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netkey/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netkey cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netncp/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netncp cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 netns/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/netns cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 nfs/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/nfs cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 nwfs/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/nwfs cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 pccard/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/pccard cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 posix4/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/posix4 cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 sys/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/sys cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 vm/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/vm cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 isofs/cd9660/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/isofs/cd9660 cd /usr/src/include/../sys; install -C -o root -g wheel -m 444 ufs/ffs/*.h /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/ufs/ffs install: ufs/ffs/softdep.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 71 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error ----------------------- any ideas.... ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 02-Oct-99 Time: 21:45:37 FreeBSD 3.3 -Stable ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 2:16:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D18514F51; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:16:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA41423; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:14:54 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:14:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Make world error on todays cvsup...... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 2 Oct 1999, William Woods wrote: > Doing a make world on a DEC Alpha 200 4/233 I get this: > > The command that produced this was make -DNOGAMES -j 4 world > > /usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/ufs/ffs > install: ufs/ffs/softdep.h: No such file or directory It looks like you have a broken symlink. The source for softupdates moved from src/contrib/sys/softupdates to src/sys/contrib/softupdates. You need to re-make the symlinks from src/sys/ufs/ffs. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 9:38:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92DA150BA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:38:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jnavarro@cs.rice.edu) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by cs.rice.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA13198; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:37:42 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:37:42 -0600 From: "Juan E. Navarro" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin , Steve Sizemore Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Steve Sizemore writes: > > *** Signal 4 > > > > > > I even tried (unsuccessfully) to install a recent snapshot to get > > back on track. I tried booting the kern floppy from the 19990915 > > snapshot, which dropped back to SRM before ever requesting the > > mfsroot floppy. I also tried the 19991031 version, which got further > > along, but hangs on the screen where it is probing for devices. I'm experiencing similar problems with my XP1000. When booting with the 19991031 snapshot floppies, the machine also hangs while probing for devices. With 19990915 I was able to complete the installation, but then the machine did not boot. ("Can't open file /boot/loader"). > This is very strange. I did a number of buildworlds on my xp1000s > during October. I've never seen anything like these problems. > > What sort of devices do you have in the box? Anything really weird? > How much RAM? I don't have anything weird inside: QLogic 10x0 SCSI controller with 2 disks attached, an atapi CDROM, and standard devices. The machine has 512 MB, and I discard hardware problems since it runs Tru64 UNIX. -- ++*Juan-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 11: 3:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from remler.nas.nasa.gov (remler.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.50.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6904014CE0 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by remler.nas.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10685; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:01:44 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: remler.nas.nasa.gov: mjacob owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:01:44 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@nas.nasa.gov To: John Polstra Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: building m3 for alpha... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The current ports collection for m3 (necessary for cvsup, right) seems to have a wad of i386 binaries as part of it- at least my naive attempts to build it seemed to have run into this. What would you recommend be done for an attempt to get this working on an alpha (which is of great amusement to me because the DESCR seems to indicate that this came *from* digital.....) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 12:58:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27778150D1 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03945; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:58:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA49342; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:58:02 -0700 (PST) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: Matthew Jacob Subject: RE: building m3 for alpha... Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > The current ports collection for m3 (necessary for cvsup, right) seems to > have a wad of i386 binaries as part of it- at least my naive attempts to > build it seemed to have run into this. What would you recommend be > done for an attempt to get this working on an alpha (which is of great > amusement to me because the DESCR seems to indicate that this came *from* > digital.....) The problem is with my port, not with Modula-3. Currently the port works only for the i386. (And I think it's broken on -current, besides). I am in the process of switching over to a different, better-maintained distribution of Modula-3 called "pm3". Unfortunately the port I'm making for it isn't done yet. I was well on the way, but needed some changes to to support it. Those went in shortly before FreeBSDCon, and I haven't gotten back to it since then. If you don't mind using binaries for CVSup, the "net/cvsup-bin" and "net/cvsupd-bin" ports will fetch and install the right ones for you, even on the alpha. If you really want to build it from source and don't want to wait for the port to be ready, I can tell you how. It's not particularly hard. But you're looking at 29 MB worth of distfiles and a fairly lengthy build. (One reason the port isn't done is because I'm stripping out a bunch of unnecessary stuff.) John --- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up." -- Nora Ephron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 13:32:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82790150EA for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from localhost (mjacob@localhost) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07595; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:36:06 -0800 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:36:06 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: John Polstra Cc: Matthew Jacob , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: building m3 for alpha... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, John Polstra wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > The current ports collection for m3 (necessary for cvsup, right) seems to > > have a wad of i386 binaries as part of it- at least my naive attempts to > > build it seemed to have run into this. What would you recommend be > > done for an attempt to get this working on an alpha (which is of great > > amusement to me because the DESCR seems to indicate that this came *from* > > digital.....) > > The problem is with my port, not with Modula-3. Currently the > port works only for the i386. (And I think it's broken on > -current, besides). I am in the process of switching over to a > different, better-maintained distribution of Modula-3 called "pm3". > Unfortunately the port I'm making for it isn't done yet. I was well > on the way, but needed some changes to to support it. > Those went in shortly before FreeBSDCon, and I haven't gotten back to > it since then. Ah. > > If you don't mind using binaries for CVSup, the "net/cvsup-bin" and > "net/cvsupd-bin" ports will fetch and install the right ones for you, > even on the alpha. Nope- this will indeed work for me. > > If you really want to build it from source and don't want to wait for > the port to be ready, I can tell you how. It's not particularly hard. > But you're looking at 29 MB worth of distfiles and a fairly lengthy > build. (One reason the port isn't done is because I'm stripping out a > bunch of unnecessary stuff.) > That'd be good too because I like to build stuff, but the binary only will solve my immediate need (cvsup running at NASA/Ames on a FreeBSD alpha). Thanks a lot! -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 14:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8977415517 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:50:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA16737; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:50:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA06494; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:49:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:49:47 -0500 (EST) To: "Juan E. Navarro" , Steve Sizemore Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't make -current world or kernel on 21264 In-Reply-To: <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> References: <19991102152703.C93980@cmpharm.ucsf.edu> <14367.36489.891040.341959@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <382072E6.F1860BD4@cs.rice.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14368.47749.129492.944260@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just fixed a problem which has been present for about 3 weeks or so (ever since the rev 1.122 of sys/pci/pci.c on Oct 14) that prevented multi-hose alphas (currently xp1000s and ds20s) from attaching devices on their second hoses. (like the Qlogic SCSI controller). This may have had something to do w/your problems. It certainly would not have caused the illegal instruction problem, but it may fit your vague descriptions of boot problems. Neither of your problem descriptions were overflowing with details, so it is hard to tell. I'd suggest cvsupping tonight & seeing if your boot problems are solved. Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. I've been updating all my kernel but pci.c to avoid having to touch some local drivers.. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 15: 5:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from friley-160-236.res.iastate.edu (friley-160-236.res.iastate.edu [129.186.160.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1162D1558E for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:05:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cc@137.org) Received: from ameslab.gov (friley-160-235.res.iastate.edu [129.186.160.235]) by friley-160-236.res.iastate.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2B5119 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:04:17 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3820BF70.BE0CEB8C@ameslab.gov> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 17:04:16 -0600 From: Chris Csanady X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ru, ja, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Netbooting? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed FreeBSD/alpha on an xp1000, but I have no way of booting it right now. (The disk is shared with linux/Tru64) Does anyone have a copy of the netboot loader that I might use with bootp? In the snapshots, /boot/netboot does not seem to exist. I don't currently have any other FreeBSD/alpha machines, so if someone could mail be a uuencoded netboot, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Nov 3 20:44:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cybcon.com (mail.cybcon.com [216.190.188.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77AC14CFB for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:44:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wwoods@cybcon.com) Received: from freebsd.cybcon.com (william@pm3b-23.cybcon.com [205.147.75.88]) by mail.cybcon.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA14280 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:44:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: wwoods@cybcon.com From: William Woods To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Stable ot Current ?? Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What do you guys run/reccomend to be most "Alpha friendly", 3.3-stable or 4.0-current ? ---------------------------------- E-Mail: William Woods Date: 03-Oct-99 Time: 20:42:09 FreeBSD 3.3 -Stable ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 2:32: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D68E14D4B for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:31:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA33923; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:31:06 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:31:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable ot Current ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, William Woods wrote: > What do you guys run/reccomend to be most "Alpha friendly", 3.3-stable or > 4.0-current ? Probably 4.0-current works better for alphas right now. It certainly supports more of the latest hardware. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 2:32:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5829715378 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:32:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA33923; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:31:06 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:31:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: William Woods Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Stable ot Current ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, William Woods wrote: > What do you guys run/reccomend to be most "Alpha friendly", 3.3-stable or > 4.0-current ? Probably 4.0-current works better for alphas right now. It certainly supports more of the latest hardware. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 2:32:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (nlsys.demon.co.uk [158.152.125.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E3215754 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA34278; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:32:55 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:32:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Chris Csanady Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netbooting? In-Reply-To: <3820BF70.BE0CEB8C@ameslab.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Chris Csanady wrote: > I have installed FreeBSD/alpha on an xp1000, but I have no way of booting > it right now. (The disk is shared with linux/Tru64) > > Does anyone have a copy of the netboot loader that I might use with bootp? > In the snapshots, /boot/netboot does not seem to exist. I don't currently > have any other FreeBSD/alpha machines, so if someone could mail be a > uuencoded netboot, I would appreciate it. Building of /boot/netboot was turned off for a while. It should be in the next snapshot. I'll send you a copy of netboot by private mail. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Nonlinear Systems Ltd. Phone: +44 181 442 9037 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 2:43:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.217.82.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E597214DE8 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:43:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28671; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:41:58 GMT (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:41:58 +0000 From: Geoff Buckingham To: Doug Rabson Cc: William Woods , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stable ot Current ?? Message-ID: <19991104104158.C28581@chuggalug.clues.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug Rabson on Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:31:06AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:31:06AM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > On Sun, 3 Oct 1999, William Woods wrote: > > > What do you guys run/reccomend to be most "Alpha friendly", 3.3-stable or > > 4.0-current ? > > Probably 4.0-current works better for alphas right now. It certainly > supports more of the latest hardware. That was certainly my experiance 2-4 months ago, snapshots are easier to locate for current and I suspect there are more 4.x alphas than 3.x ATM the only production machine I know of runs a current (probably not recomended) -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 6:35:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sstar.com (sstar.com [209.102.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E801014E03 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 06:35:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from king@sstar.com) Received: from JKING ([134.132.78.137]) by sstar.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5s/64) id 6289800; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:35:41 -0600 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.19991104083246.00a85588@mail.sstar.com> X-Sender: king@mail.sstar.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:35:41 -0600 To: alpha@freebsd.org From: Jim King Subject: Tru64 Unix for $99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like Compaq is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 7: 5:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [206.55.236.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C42F14C3E for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:05:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02015; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:05:04 -0800 (PST) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14369.41120.144357.174059@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:05:04 -0800 (PST) To: Jim King Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.19991104083246.00a85588@mail.sstar.com> References: <4.2.0.58.19991104083246.00a85588@mail.sstar.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 X-Airplane-of-the-day: Grumman Tiger Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jim King writes: > See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like Compaq > is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology > enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... Heck, they're giving VMS away for free to hobbysits, why not do the same with Unix? -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 7:15: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3946C15071 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:15:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nmanisca@vt.edu) Received: from mail.vt.edu (gkar.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.40]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09367; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dog ([198.82.106.223]) by gkar.cc.vt.edu (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.05.24.18.28.p7) with SMTP id <0FKO00EL7ICVHJ@gkar.cc.vt.edu>; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:14:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:11:53 -0500 From: nm Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 X-Sender: nmanisca@mail.vt.edu To: Javier Henderson Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <3.0.32.19991104101153.0136de00@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Compaq cannot give Tru64 away because Compaq is required to pay royalties to companies such as AT&T for legacy code. Wether Tru64 actually has any of this code in it is another matter. It's probably cheaper for Compaq to pay the royalties instead of going to court to prove it doesn't use AT&T's code. Most of the money in the $99 price goes to pay royalties for such code. It would be a monetary loss for Compaq to give Tru64 away because for every copy they give away they would have to pay the royalties out of their own pocket. Nick At 07:05 AM 11/4/99 -0800, Javier Henderson wrote: >Jim King writes: > > See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like Compaq > > is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology > > enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... > > Heck, they're giving VMS away for free to hobbysits, why >not do the same with Unix? > >-jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 7:20:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from opus.cirr.com (opus.cirr.com [192.67.63.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8802414C32 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@cirr.com) Received: from cirr.com (IDENT:eric@egsner.cirr.com [192.67.63.1]) by opus.cirr.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA28867 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:18:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911041518.JAA28867@opus.cirr.com> From: eric@cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen) To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Nov 1999 07:05:04 PST." <14369.41120.144357.174059@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:18:26 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Javier Henderson writes: - Jim King writes: - > See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like Compaq - > is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology - > enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... - - Heck, they're giving VMS away for free to hobbysits, why - not do the same with Unix? Because they have to pay licensing fees to SCO for their UNIX product, while they _complete_ own the basic technologies for OpenVMS. -- Eric Schnoebelen eric@cirr.com http://www.cirr.com "...Microsoft is to software what Miller (and the other big American brewers) are to beer." -- Mark Bartelt in comp.sys.dec To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 8:14: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bogon.kjsl.com (bogon.kjsl.com [206.55.236.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55305150CA for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from javier@bogon.kjsl.com) Received: (from javier@localhost) by bogon.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03147; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: Javier Henderson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14369.45197.524511.874818@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) To: eric@cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen) Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-Reply-To: <199911041518.JAA28867@opus.cirr.com> References: <14369.41120.144357.174059@bogon.kjsl.com> <199911041518.JAA28867@opus.cirr.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.63 under Emacs 19.34.1 X-Airplane-of-the-day: Grumman Tiger Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Schnoebelen writes: > Because they have to pay licensing fees to SCO for their > UNIX product, while they _complete_ own the basic technologies > for OpenVMS. So the license is per copy shipped, not per copy billed? Bummer. -jav To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 8:33:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F10514F3C for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from telemate ([206.135.117.1]) by flashmail.com ; Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:33:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000f01bf26e2$524dad70$700a10ac@sierrahealth.com> From: "Mark" To: References: <4.2.0.58.19991104083246.00a85588@mail.sstar.com> <14369.41120.144357.174059@bogon.kjsl.com> Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:33:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We have Tru64 5.0 at work. I could see setting up a farm of FreeBSD/Apache servers and a cluster of Alpha/Tru64 servers for Oracle or Sybase. Tru64 + maintainance/suport is very expensive! Then again, so is Sun. ----- Original Message ----- From: Javier Henderson To: Jim King Cc: Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 7:05 AM Subject: Tru64 Unix for $99 > Jim King writes: > > See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like Compaq > > is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology > > enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... > > Heck, they're giving VMS away for free to hobbysits, why > not do the same with Unix? > > -jav > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 8:41:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aleph.carrier.kiev.ua (aleph.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0136114CB2 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 08:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netch@aleph.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by aleph.carrier.kiev.ua (8.9.3-lucky-netch-pl10/8.9.3) id SPV18059 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:41:09 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:41:09 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: stable broken: src/lib/csu/alpha/crtbegin.c Message-ID: <19991104184109.A18039@aleph.carrier.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Rebuilding bootstrap libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /var/REL3/src; PATH=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/sbin:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/bin:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin:/var/homes/netch/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/contrib/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin BISON_SIMPLE=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/share/misc/bison.simple COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin GCC_EXEC_PREFIX=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/lib:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/lib/ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/lib LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/lib:/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/lib NOEXTRADEPEND=t OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/libexec:/usr/libexec /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin/make DESTDIR=/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp -f Makefile.inc1 bootstrap-libraries cd /var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha; /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPIC -DNOPROFILE -DNOSHARED cleandepend; /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPIC -DNOPROFILE -DNOSHARED all; /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/bin/make -DNOINFO -DNOMAN -DNOPIC -DNOPROFILE -DNOSHARED -B install cleandir obj rm -f .depend /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/GPATH /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/GRTAGS /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/GSYMS /usr/obj/var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/GTAGS cc -O -g -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused -I/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/include -c /var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/crt1.c -o crt1.o cc -O -g -pipe -Wall -Wno-unused -I/usr/obj/var/REL3/src/tmp/usr/include -c /var/REL3/src/lib/csu/alpha/crtbegin.c -o crtbegin.o {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:156: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:156: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. {standard input}:167: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:167: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. {standard input}:170: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:170: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. {standard input}:180: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:180: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. {standard input}:191: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:191: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. {standard input}:194: Warning: .loc outside of .text {standard input}:194: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `1'. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Thu Nov 4 18:27:58 EET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 9:45:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287D615148 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@d60-025.leach.ucdavis.edu [169.237.60.25]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15421; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:44:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA72112; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:44:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:44:08 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: nm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 Message-ID: <19991104094407.E29186@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <3.0.32.19991104101153.0136de00@mail.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19991104101153.0136de00@mail.vt.edu>; from nmanisca@vt.edu on Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:11:53AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:11:53AM -0500, nm wrote: > Compaq cannot give Tru64 away because Compaq is required to pay > royalties to companies such as AT&T for legacy code. Tru64 was known as Digital Unix. Digital Unix was known as OSF/1. OSF/1 was developed by the Open Software Foundation, starting from code from IBM's AIX and HP's HP-UX. OSF/1 was developed in response to Sun and AT&T getting into bed DEC, IBM, and HP were afraid that Sun would end up controlling Unix and dictate terms to them. I would tend to doubt there is any AT&T code in Tru64 due to this. However, I would not be surprised if DEC was still paying royalties to the Open Software Foundation. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 10:16: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from opus.cirr.com (opus.cirr.com [192.67.63.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A304314DF6 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:16:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@cirr.com) Received: from cirr.com (IDENT:eric@egsner.cirr.com [192.67.63.1]) by opus.cirr.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA04941; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:15:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911041815.MAA04941@opus.cirr.com> From: eric@cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen) To: Javier Henderson Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:13:01 PST." <14369.45197.524511.874818@bogon.kjsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:14:58 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Javier Henderson writes: - Eric Schnoebelen writes: - > Because they have to pay licensing fees to SCO for their - > UNIX product, while they _complete_ own the basic technologies - > for OpenVMS. - - So the license is per copy shipped, not per copy billed? That is the way most licensing agreements read. (I know that is how the AT&T and OSF licenses read.) -- Eric Schnoebelen eric@cirr.com http://www.cirr.com "Microsoft asks you where you want to go. UNIX gets you there." -- david@mono.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 10:34:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from egsner.cirr.com (egsner.cirr.com [192.67.63.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC1C156F8 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@cirr.com) Received: from cirr.com (IDENT:eric@egsner.cirr.com [192.67.63.1]) by egsner.cirr.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24337; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:34:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199911041834.MAA24337@egsner.cirr.com> From: eric@cirr.com (Eric Schnoebelen) To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 04 Nov 1999 09:44:08 PST." <19991104094407.E29186@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:34:09 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" writes: - On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:11:53AM -0500, nm wrote: - > Compaq cannot give Tru64 away because Compaq is required to pay - > royalties to companies such as AT&T for legacy code. - - Tru64 was known as Digital Unix. Digital Unix was known as OSF/1. OSF/1 - was developed by the Open Software Foundation, starting from code from - IBM's AIX and HP's HP-UX. OSF/1 was developed in response to Sun and - AT&T getting into bed DEC, IBM, and HP were afraid that Sun would end up - controlling Unix and dictate terms to them. I would tend to doubt there - is any AT&T code in Tru64 due to this. However, I would not be surprised - if DEC was still paying royalties to the Open Software Foundation. As one of the survivors of the UNIX wars (I was at CONVEX Computer at the time) I can say the truth looks something like the above. However, the IBM and HP code that went into OSF/1 was based upon System V, release 2 (from AIX predominately). As far as I know, neither AIX or OSF/1 ever had _all_ of the AT&T/USL/S5r2 code expunged from their respective kernels. So, DEC/Compaq would be paying licensing fees to both TOG (The Open Group, successor to the Open Software Foundation), and to SCO (successor to AT&T/USL/Novell) for Tru64. The only commercial UNIX vendor not currently playing royalties is SUN, who bought out the royalties on Solaris a number of years ago. -- Eric Schnoebelen eric@cirr.com http://www.cirr.com "Microsoft asks you where you want to go. UNIX gets you there." -- david@mono.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 11:32:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from gw.nectar.com (gw.nectar.com [209.98.143.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69EA15064 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:32:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from bone.nectar.com (bone.nectar.com [10.0.0.105]) by gw.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052BF51723; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:30:57 -0600 (CST) Received: from bone.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bone.nectar.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361DB1D77; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 13:32:14 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-rsa.txt X-PGP-DSSfprint: AB2F 8D71 A4F4 467D 352E 8A41 5D79 22E4 71A2 8C73 X-PGP-DHfprint: 2D50 12E5 AB38 60BA AF4B 0778 7242 4460 1C32 F6B1 X-PGP-DH-DSSkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-dh-dss.txt From: Jacques Vidrine To: obrien@NUXI.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <19991104094407.E29186@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <3.0.32.19991104101153.0136de00@mail.vt.edu> <19991104094407.E29186@dragon.nuxi.com> Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:32:14 -0600 Message-Id: <19991104193214.361DB1D77@bone.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 November 1999 at 9:44, "David O'Brien" wrote: > On Thu, Nov 04, 1999 at 10:11:53AM -0500, nm wrote: > > Compaq cannot give Tru64 away because Compaq is required to pay > > royalties to companies such as AT&T for legacy code. > > Tru64 was known as Digital Unix. Digital Unix was known as OSF/1. OSF/1 > was developed by the Open Software Foundation, starting from code from > IBM's AIX and HP's HP-UX. OSF/1 was developed in response to Sun and > AT&T getting into bed DEC, IBM, and HP were afraid that Sun would end up > controlling Unix and dictate terms to them. I would tend to doubt there > is any AT&T code in Tru64 due to this. However, I would not be surprised > if DEC was still paying royalties to the Open Software Foundation. OSF/1 has AT&T System V code via IBM, thus one of the OSF's major goals (escaping AT&T) was doomed from the beginning. -- Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 22:41:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E02D14DA4 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05773; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:40:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:40:30 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: nm Cc: Javier Henderson , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19991104101153.0136de00@mail.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, nm wrote: > Compaq cannot give Tru64 away because Compaq is required to pay > royalties to companies such as AT&T for legacy code. Wether > Tru64 actually has any of this code in it is another matter. > It's probably cheaper for Compaq to pay the royalties instead of > going to court to prove it doesn't use AT&T's code. > > Most of the money in the $99 price goes to pay royalties for > such code. > I think you're wrong, there. I think Digital had the same relationship with AT&T (far predating the Unix selloff) that Sun has, which means *NO* royalties. Sun sells Solaris7 at $10 for a deal that is much like this, but I do see a difference: Compaq (according to the web page) is tossing in a full set of developer tools; Solaris7 comes free and clear of any such helpful things :-(. > It would be a monetary loss for Compaq to give Tru64 away because > for every copy they give away they would have to pay the royalties > out of their own pocket. > > Nick > > At 07:05 AM 11/4/99 -0800, Javier Henderson wrote: > >Jim King writes: > > > See http://www.unix.digital.com/noncommercial-unix/. It looks like > Compaq > > > is selling Tru64 5.0 for $99 to "non-commercial technology > > > enthusiasts". Sounds interesting... > > > > Heck, they're giving VMS away for free to hobbysits, why > >not do the same with Unix? > > > >-jav > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Nov 4 22:56: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8492014DA4 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:56:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05816; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:54:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Tom Sparks Cc: nm , Javier Henderson , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tru64 Unix for $99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Tom Sparks wrote: > > I think you're wrong, there. I think Digital had the same relationship > > with AT&T (far predating the Unix selloff) that Sun has, which means *NO* > > royalties. Sun sells Solaris7 at $10 for a deal that is much like this, > > but I do see a difference: Compaq (according to the web page) is tossing > > in a full set of developer tools; Solaris7 comes free and clear of any > > such helpful things :-(. > > If this is the case, then its pretty well worth it for $100. I wrote above, $10, not $100. Ten. I know, I bought one. What a horrible experience not having source code was! > Chances are it'll come down in price anyways. Anyone remember when Solaris > 2.5 was available for $99 to 'student' ? You ought to go buy a copy, then. Public, $10. > Just remember, be glad Sun includes header files with their > distributions. With IRIX you had to *buy* them with the developers kit. > > For $100 you get a Compaq optimized compiler (apparently much better than > GCC/EGCS), headers, libraries, and who knows what else. > > Wait a couple months, it'll be out there for $50 to students/etc > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C programming, Electronics, 213 Lakeside Dr. Apt. T-1 | communications, and signal processing. Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and (301) 220-2114 | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 0:26: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09DEF14D0C for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:26:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mholloway@flashmail.com) Received: from flashmail.com ([207.173.216.240]) by flashmail.com ; Fri, 05 Nov 1999 22:25:38 -0800 From: "Mark L. Holloway" Reply-To: mholloway@flashmail.com To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:25:38 -800 Subject: X on FreeBSD Alpha..woes! X-Mailer: CWMail Web to Mail Gateway 2.0n, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3823c9e2.1ec.0@flashmail.com> X-User-Info: 24.234.2.17 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've loaded FreeBSD 3.2 on two different Alphas and X doesn't work for anything.. I know there are some hints to getting it to work, but I have no clue what they are! Also, does this problem exist on the 4.0 snapshot too? I appreicate any help.. Regards, Mark ______________________________________________________ Get Your FREE FlashMail Address now at http://www.flashmail.com It's Free, Easy, & Fun !!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 10:43:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC0714E82 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:43:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.169.192]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6A84; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:13:42 +0100 Message-ID: <38247017.63A5556F@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:33:47 +0119 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.1 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en, nl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin , "freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, When installing (news hard drives...) FreeBSD, it won't get passed the wiating for scsi devices to settle. It gives the output it waits for 15 minutes, but in fact it never gets passed the moment. Just to be sure, it is somewhat slower I've waited for 1 hour..... Linux does install (I've done that to check everything is OK) and it runs perfectly (except for that it is not FreeBSD : - ) Any idea's ? Aernoudt -- ____ ___ _______ Aernoudt Bottemanne / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ bottemanne@capitolonline.nl / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ Voorburg ----- The Power to Serve ----- The Netherlands http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 10:44:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EAF14E82; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.169.192]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2779; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38246FF9.D72B2C66@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:14:17 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "alpha@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org" , Andrew Gallatin Subject: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset (waiting fort scsi devices to settle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, When installing FreeBSD (new hard drives) my installation stops. It does not get passed the resetting of the scsi bus. Linux installs well, so there can not be to much of a problem.... PWS 433a, scsi cdwriter and ide cdrom, scsi zip. Any tips... Aernoudt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 10:44:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10EAF14E82; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:44:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.169.192]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA2779; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:12:46 +0100 Message-ID: <38246FF9.D72B2C66@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:14:17 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "alpha@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org" , Andrew Gallatin Subject: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset (waiting fort scsi devices to settle) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, When installing FreeBSD (new hard drives) my installation stops. It does not get passed the resetting of the scsi bus. Linux installs well, so there can not be to much of a problem.... PWS 433a, scsi cdwriter and ide cdrom, scsi zip. Any tips... Aernoudt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 11: 1:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6235614ED5 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from gw100.feral.com (root@femr [128.0.0.2]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23204; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:06:45 -0800 Received: from feral.com (mjacob@feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by gw100.feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05809; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:49:09 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:49:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: "freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset (waiting fort scsi devices to settle) In-Reply-To: <38246FF9.D72B2C66@capitolonline.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (only the one alias 'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org' is needed) How about some more details? FreeBSD release, actual boot messages,... You could also try a boot -v (verbose). There was a change made to cam_xpt.c recently which seems to have made things somewhat better with respect to mysterious 'scsi hangs during probing'. On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Aernoudt Bottemanne wrote: > Hi, > > > When installing FreeBSD (new hard drives) my installation stops. It does > not get passed the resetting of the scsi bus. Linux installs well, so > there can not be to much of a problem.... > PWS 433a, scsi cdwriter and ide cdrom, scsi zip. > > Any tips... > Aernoudt > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 13:50:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E3214DEA for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:50:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bottemanne@capitolonline.nl) Received: from capitolonline.nl ([195.121.168.227]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA6C91; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:50:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3824A317.B36CA4DD@capitolonline.nl> Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:52:23 +0100 From: Aernoudt Bottemanne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset (waiting fort scsi devices to settle) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Matthew, Trying to get 3.3 release installed, and then upgrade it to current. The message is: waiting 15 seconds for scsi devices to settle isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 after that complete silence.... Aernoudt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 14:24:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBFD14E5C for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00485; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:24:28 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:24:28 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Aernoudt Bottemanne Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha 'hangs' on scsi reset (waiting fort scsi devices to settle) In-Reply-To: <3824A317.B36CA4DD@capitolonline.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, see if you cannot try and install from the latest -current snapshot: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.0-19991031-CURRENT On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Aernoudt Bottemanne wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > > Trying to get 3.3 release installed, and then upgrade it to current. > The message is: > > waiting 15 seconds for scsi devices to settle > isp0: driver initiated bus reset of bus 0 > > after that complete silence.... > > > Aernoudt > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 14:41:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE9515038 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:40:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15647; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA10371; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:40:21 -0500 (EST) To: mholloway@flashmail.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X on FreeBSD Alpha..woes! In-Reply-To: <3823c9e2.1ec.0@flashmail.com> References: <3823c9e2.1ec.0@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14372.44152.650139.487447@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark L. Holloway writes: > I've loaded FreeBSD 3.2 on two different Alphas and X doesn't work for anything.. > I know there are some hints to getting it to work, but I have no clue what they > are! Also, does this problem exist on the 4.0 snapshot too? I appreicate any > help.. "Doesn't work for anything" isn't a very meaningful problem description ;-) What kinds of cards are you trying, in what types of machines, and what sorts of failures have you seen? Some card combinations just don't work well on alphas. Probably because they are less tolerant of bad PCI cards. I gave up on ever getting a $20USD S3 virge based card to work on an alpha. But I've happily run an Ati Mach64 in the same box. I've found 3DLabs Permedia base cards (use the XF86_3DLabs server) to work fairly well & to be reasonably priced... I've got 5 machines running happily here with cards based on this chipset, including my home box. BTW -- 4.0 and 3.x have almost nothing to do with how well X will work. The basic support is present in both branches. I run 4.x for its other features, but -stable should run X just as well. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Nov 6 20:40:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826E14D9D for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:40:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20139; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA10748; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:39:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:39:43 -0500 (EST) To: mholloway@flashmail.com Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hi Andrew In-Reply-To: <3824e805.ac.0@flashmail.com> References: <3824e805.ac.0@flashmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14373.222.877060.850737@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark L. Holloway writes: > Sorry for being vague on my FreeBSD/X Windows on Alpha problem. I downloaded > the boot floppies for Alpha and installed 3.2-RELEASE. The distro I select > was "X Developer", which I've done many times on x86. I have two Alphas (and > both suffer from the same issue). One is an Alpha 255/Permedia 1 and the other > is an Alpha 500a PWS/Permedia 2 - and I know X works great with these cards > on Alpha Linux. I don't think the issue is X itself, but after the download > has completed and I reboot, I can't even find my X files. I was looking for > the X setup program, but I couldn't even "find" or "whereis" it. 3.2 was looking > for X 3.3.3.x but the "ports" I installed looked for X 3.3.5. If I then do > a /stand/sysinstall and select to install X, it acts like it's retrieving the > files but it doesn't. I couldn't find a variable to tell it I want 3.3.5 instead > of 3.3.3.1 or whatever it is that 3.2 looks for. Unfortunately, there are no pre-packaged X11 binaries for the alpha. Apparently the install process doesn't make this terribly clear. I'm not sure why there's no binary dist, perhaps it is because VGA16 server doesn't work on alpha, so the XF86 install program won't work. I'm really not sure. I don't pay much attention to install issues.. Anyway, the upshot is that you'll need to build X yourself, from ports. Its my understanding that all of this will be cleaned up when XFree86 4.0 comes out. > I really appreciate any feedback. Although I've only been using FreeBSD x86 > for less than a year, I really enjoy it. Ever since Q/MS dropped NT on Alpha > I decided to load FreeBSD on my Alphas.. I tried Red Hat and it loaded perfects, > but I do not care for Linux at all..nothing personal, I just enjoy the feel > of FreeBSD and BSDI more. Thanks for your help! Thanks. We appreciate your loyalty ;-) Sorry for your install pain. Cheers, Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message