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Synopsis: a broken figure in lpbb.4 (PS)
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Subject: docs/10840: [PATCH] Add pcic double-loading bug fix to ERRATA.TXT
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>Number: 10840
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: [PATCH] Add pcic double-loading bug fix to ERRATA.TXT
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: high
>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
>Quarter:
>Keywords:
>Date-Required:
>Class: doc-bug
>Submitter-Id: current-users
>Arrival-Date: Sun Mar 28 12:50:00 PST 1999
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Scott Mitchell
>Release: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
Queen Mary and Westfield College
>Environment:
FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE with PCCARD support
>Description:
The /etc/rc.pccard script on 3.1-RELEASE does not check
whether PCCARD support has already been loaded when loading the
pcic kernel module. If PCCARD support was also statically linked
into the kernel, the pcic code is loaded twice. This leads to
erratic and downright nasty behaviour from the PCCARD code.
People are complaining about this on a daily basis to the
-mobile and -questions mailing lists -- a description of the
problem and a simple workaround should be in the ERRATA.TXT file.
>How-To-Repeat:
Watch -mobile or -questions for the next person getting
bitten by this problem :)
>Fix:
Add something like the following to ERRATA.TXT:
o You've recompiled your kernel to include PCCARD support, and
set pccard_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf (just as you did for
previous releases). Now your PCCARDs don't work: the kernel
messages indicate that you have two card controllers, cards
are not recognised when they are inserted, etc.
Fix: The 'pcic' (card slot controller) code is getting loaded
twice; the two copies are conflicting with each other and
causing the symptoms described above. The fix is to _not_
enable the pcic devices in your kernel config file, ie.
# PCCARD (PCMCIA) support
controller card0
#device pcic0 at card?
#device pcic1 at card?
Leave the pccard_enable="YES" line in /etc/rc.conf -- the
etc/rc.pccard script does more than just load the driver
so it still needs to be run.
I believe that /etc/rc.pccard has been modified to detect
this condition and work around it in 3.1-STABLE.
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Subject: docs/10841: [send-pr]: typos in man page screen.4 (c -> n)
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>Number: 10841
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: typos in man page screen.4 (c -> n)
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>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
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>Arrival-Date: Sun Mar 28 14:40:00 PST 1999
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator: Kanenda
>Release: FreeBSD 2.2.1-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
FreeBSD jp-man project
>Environment:
$Id: screen.4,v 1.10 1998/06/08 06:11:59 jkoshy Exp $
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/screen.4?rev=1.10
>Description:
The man page screen.4 has descriptions such as:
E[=cF set normal foreground color to n
at line 140-149. ``E[=cF'' should be ``E[=nF'' (c -> n).
>How-To-Repeat:
man 4 screen
>Fix:
Apply this patch:
--- screen.4.orig Mon Mar 29 07:05:29 1999
+++ screen.4 Mon Mar 29 07:25:39 1999
@@ -137,16 +137,16 @@
-- E[=nA Set the border color to color n
(see table) (if supported by HW)
--- E[=cF set normal foreground color to n --
+-- E[=nF set normal foreground color to n --
(see table)
--- E[=cG set normal background color to n --
+-- E[=nG set normal background color to n --
(see table)
--- E[=cH set reverse foreground color to n --
+-- E[=nH set reverse foreground color to n --
(see table)
--- E[=cI set reverse background color to n --
+-- E[=nI set reverse background color to n --
(see table)
n= 0 black n= 8 grey
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>Number: 10843
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Subject: docs/10847: lpbb.4's PostScript output format is broken.
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>Number: 10847
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: lpbb.4's PostScript output format is broken.
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>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
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>State: open
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>Originator: Osamu Mihara
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6 JST 1999 root@oz.prd.fc.nec.co.jp:/var/src/sys/compile/OZ i386
>Description:
When formatting the lpbb.4 man page with "groff -mandoc" as a PostScript
file, the format of a figure in the man page is broken.
>How-To-Repeat:
% groff -mandoc lpbb.4 > lpbb.4.ps
% ghostview lpbb.4.ps
>Fix:
Enclosing the source of the figure with ".Bd literal" and ".Ed" fixes
this problem.
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Subject: Re: Creating CDs for installation.
In-Reply-To: <36FCF05A.FD693CEA@home.com> from Gary Bouskill at "Mar 27, 1999 8:51: 7 am"
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 23:39:49 -0800 (PST)
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Gary Bouskill wrote:
> I have been downloading all the files to install FreeBSD and I want to
> create CDs that I can install from because the files take up so much space
> on my hard drive.
>
> I would like to see a section in the documentation that suggests which
> directories to put on different CDs. If this would be possible it would
> be of a real help to those of us with writ able CDROMs.
Have you viewed the LAYOUT.TXT file found at the root of the release
trees? It might help greatly in deciding what directories you
should grab for your use.
--
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>Number: 10850
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: submitting a documentation change for sed(1)
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>Originator: Scott Hazen Mueller
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>Environment:
>Description:
I found the following (from sed(1)) unclear:
A command line with two addresses selects the inclusive range from the
first pattern space that matches the first address through the next pat-
tern space that matches the second. (If the second address is a number
less than or equal to the line number first selected, only that line is
selected.) Starting at the first line following the selected range, sed
starts looking again for the first address.
>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
Suggested re-phrasing:
A command line with two addresses selects an inclusive range. This range
starts with the first pattern space that matches the first address. The end
of the range is the next following pattern space that matches the second
address. If the second address is a number less than or equal to the line
number first selected, only that line is selected. In the case when the
second address is a context address, sed does not re-match the second address
against the pattern space that matched the first address. Starting at the
first line following the selected range, sed starts looking again for the
first address.
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On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 04:40:22PM +0930, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > Almost a year ago I started the project to switch the Handbook over
> > from LinuxDoc to DocBook.
>
> Can I ask what the differences and benefits are?
As follows;
* LinuxDoc is descended from the QWERTZ DTD, and was designed to serve
the needs of the Linux Documentation Project.
DocBook has been designed to mark up technical books and articles,
and has been designed by representatives from a large number of
companies (this, for once, has not been a bad thing). It's large,
comprehensive, and well supported.
* LinuxDoc is designed to be quite close to LaTeX. This means there's
a lot of presentational markup (i.e., markup that describes things as
being bold, or italic, and so on), a lot like HTML.
DocBook contains *no* presentational markup, it's entirely semantic.
To write a filename in LinuxDoc you would write
/path/to/some/file
where "" means "teletype", i.e., a monospaced font. If you wanted
to write a command the user types in, you would use the same thing,
ls /etc
In DocBook, you would write
/path/to/some/file
ls /etc
When processed, both those might be displayed in a monospaced font.
However, the DocBook version includes extra information. We don't do
it yet, but the DocBook Handbook will eventually include several
indices. One of these will be a list of each page where each filename
is mentioned, allowing you to quickly see all the places where (for
example) ppp.conf is referred to.
This index would catch every reference to ppp.conf used as a filename,
but would ignore those where it was mentioned as part of a command.
So "ppp.conf" would be indexed, but "vi
ppp.conf" wouldn't.
The only way to do this using LinuxDoc would be to index everywhere
'ppp.conf' appeared, which would *also* catch the second example,
which is not what you want.
* DocBook is extensible. It's relatively easy to add your own elements,
for things that are missing from DocBook. I've done this for the
Handbook, adding things like "" and "". This is
harder to with LinuxDoc.
* The Linux Documentation Project is moving away from LinuxDoc to DocBook.
I *think* the FreeBSD Doc. Proj. switched first, and I'm pretty certain
the FreeBSD Handbook is the largest free set of documentation that
currently uses DocBook. I could be wrong about that though.
* There's an XML implementation of DocBook (currently unofficial). This
will be more important in the future, as XML browsers become more
widespread.
* Tools to convert DocBook to other formats are not quite as advanced
as the LinuxDoc tools, but are getting their rapidly.
As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be
converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug
that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation.
Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of
this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can
test the output myself).
Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses.
I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably
be quite handy for the FAQ. . .
More information at
http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html
N
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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 nclayton@lehman.com wrote:
> Kris,
>
> On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 04:40:22PM +0930, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Mar 1999, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > > Almost a year ago I started the project to switch the Handbook over
> > > from LinuxDoc to DocBook.
> >
> > Can I ask what the differences and benefits are?
>
> As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be
> converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug
> that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation.
>
> Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of
> this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can
> test the output myself).
Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all.
>
> Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses.
> I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably
> be quite handy for the FAQ. . .
Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It
might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser
(Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser
called Plucker.
>
> More information at
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html
>
> N
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On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:01:45AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> > Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of
> > this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can
> > test the output myself).
>
> Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all.
* Not if you're on a 2.2-stable system. Don't mock, because I still am,
until I find the time to upgrade. At least, I could never get it to work
solidly for any length of time. I know there have been updates, but
there's only so many times I'm prepared to download it.
* People who haven't yet switched to using FreeBSD can get a reasonably
good printed copy of the documentation (at the moment just the Handbook,
but eventually all the docs) on a Windows platform.
* My accountant likes various bits and pieces to be entered in to their
home grown Access DB. So I needed to get hold of Office anyway (and as
an aside, the ODBC driver for Postgres works very nicely).
> > Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses.
> > I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably
> > be quite handy for the FAQ. . .
>
> Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It
> might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser
> (Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser
> called Plucker.
I don't know yet, I need to get a Pilot :-) I'm open to recommendations,
and/or pointers to specifications for the format.
And if there are any programmers out there looking for something to do,
this could be quite a nice task.
N
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On Mon, 29 Mar 1999 nclayton@lehman.com wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:01:45AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> > > Word .doc support is in the pipeline as well, probably for the end of
> > > this week too (I've now given some money to the evil empire so I can
> > > test the output myself).
> >
> > Why? We can use StarOffice 5.0x, after all.
>
> * Not if you're on a 2.2-stable system. Don't mock, because I still am,
> until I find the time to upgrade. At least, I could never get it to work
> solidly for any length of time. I know there have been updates, but
> there's only so many times I'm prepared to download it.
I meant use StarOffice to test out the Office .docs.
>
> * People who haven't yet switched to using FreeBSD can get a reasonably
> good printed copy of the documentation (at the moment just the Handbook,
> but eventually all the docs) on a Windows platform.
>
> * My accountant likes various bits and pieces to be entered in to their
> home grown Access DB. So I needed to get hold of Office anyway (and as
> an aside, the ODBC driver for Postgres works very nicely).
>
> > > Next on the list will be whatever internal format the Palm Pilot uses.
> > > I imagine this won't be too useful for the Handbook, but will probably
> > > be quite handy for the FAQ. . .
> >
> > Do you mean the Memo format or the Doc format? I hope you mean Doc... It
> > might not even be worth it to do this, since a very nice, fast browser
> > (Palmscape) has been around for a while on the Palm, and an offline browser
> > called Plucker.
>
> I don't know yet, I need to get a Pilot :-) I'm open to recommendations,
> and/or pointers to specifications for the format.
Doc is a nice format, but it's not hypertext. Check out
ports/palm/pilot_makedoc
>
> And if there are any programmers out there looking for something to do,
> this could be quite a nice task.
>
> N
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This has been removed from -current, since it's really more -doc
material. Please leave me in the cc's, tho, I'm not subscribed.
>>> Almost a year ago I started the project to switch the Handbook over
>>> from LinuxDoc to DocBook.
My $0.02: I've looked at both, and decided that DocBook is much
cleaner. It's kind of like the difference between HPGL and
PostScript. (I don't mean to compare LinuxDoc to HPGL or DocBook to
PostScript; I'm just comparing the difference.)
>> Can I ask what the differences and benefits are?
> As follows;
> * LinuxDoc is descended from the QWERTZ DTD, and was designed to serve
> the needs of the Linux Documentation Project.
How do these needs differ from those of the FreeBSD documentation
project?
> When processed, both those might be displayed in a monospaced font.
> However, the DocBook version includes extra information. We don't do
> it yet, but the DocBook Handbook will eventually include several
> indices. One of these will be a list of each page where each filename
> is mentioned, allowing you to quickly see all the places where (for
> example) ppp.conf is referred to.
It also means that if, later on, we decide that filenames look cleaner
in italics instead of monospace (for instance), we can do so.
> * DocBook is extensible. It's relatively easy to add your own elements,
> for things that are missing from DocBook. I've done this for the
> Handbook, adding things like "" and "". This is
> harder to with LinuxDoc.
What are you using these tags for?
> * Tools to convert DocBook to other formats are not quite as advanced
> as the LinuxDoc tools, but are getting their rapidly.
I would be interested in hearing your comments on DocBook tools, what
you find indispensable (both in the drafing process and for finals),
etc.
> As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be
> converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug
> that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation.
The GNU project is writing a converter to TeXinfo.
Cheers,
joelh
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On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 10:42:49PM -0600, Joel Ray Holveck wrote:
> >> Can I ask what the differences and benefits are?
> > As follows;
> > * LinuxDoc is descended from the QWERTZ DTD, and was designed to serve
> > the needs of the Linux Documentation Project.
>
> How do these needs differ from those of the FreeBSD documentation
> project?
They're not radically different. The LDP had a lot of people used to
LaTeX, and wanted something that would map to that quite easily, which
LinuxDoc does. DocBook existed then, but they didn't choose it for some
reason. Whether this was because of "not invented here" syndrome, or
something else, I don't know.
> > When processed, both those might be displayed in a monospaced font.
> > However, the DocBook version includes extra information. We don't do
> > it yet, but the DocBook Handbook will eventually include several
> > indices. One of these will be a list of each page where each filename
> > is mentioned, allowing you to quickly see all the places where (for
> > example) ppp.conf is referred to.
>
> It also means that if, later on, we decide that filenames look cleaner
> in italics instead of monospace (for instance), we can do so.
Yep. We can even do so on a 'per output format' basis. From reading
examples of other typeset documentation, I think filenames in italics for
the print version would work well. For HTML (due to the poor rendering of
italics on many screens) mono-spaced would be better.
> > * DocBook is extensible. It's relatively easy to add your own elements,
> > for things that are missing from DocBook. I've done this for the
> > Handbook, adding things like "" and "". This is
> > harder to with LinuxDoc.
>
> What are you using these tags for?
freefall is a hostname.
127.0.0.1 is an IP address.
ftp.freebsd.org is a fully qualified domain
name.
xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx is a MAC address.
all and install are
targets in a Makefile.
DESTDIR is a variable that controls where files
will be installed.
See doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dtd for more information.
> > * Tools to convert DocBook to other formats are not quite as advanced
> > as the LinuxDoc tools, but are getting their rapidly.
>
> I would be interested in hearing your comments on DocBook tools, what
> you find indispensable (both in the drafing process and for finals),
> etc.
[x]emacs for all editing, in conjunction with PSGML mode. It makes writing
SGML much easier. Because DocBook contains no presentational markup you
don't need a graphical editor (or at least, I don't).
For proof-reading I tend to convert to Postscript, print it out, and
annotate it. That's mostly because most of my proof reading time is
spent on trains without a laptop, so this is the best approach for me.
Turning DocBook in to HTML, Postscript, and other formats is relatively
simple using Jade and some DSSSL stylesheets (all in the ports collection).
At the moment, doc/en/handbook/Makefile contains all the logic to do this
automatically. I'll be splitting this up in to an independent Makefile
(bsd.docbook.mk?) soon, so that converting your own documents will be as
simple as
#
# Makefile to convert foo.sgml to HTML, PS, etc
#
SRCS= foo.sgml
FORMATS= html html-split ps rtf
.include "bsd.docbook.mk"
At some point I'll port (unless someone beats me to it) the SGML Tools
package as well (which is just a set of wrappers around programs like
Jade) so you can do
docb2html foo.sgml
That's not very high on my list of priorities though.
> > As it currently stands in the repository, the DocBook Handbook can be
> > converted to HTML, Postscript, plain text, and Microsoft RTF. A bug
> > that I'll fix this week is currently preventing PDF generation.
>
> The GNU project is writing a converter to TeXinfo.
That'll be handy. Have you got any pointers to more information? I
couldn't see anything about this on www.gnu.org.
Cheers,
N
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>Number: 10869
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>Synopsis: Please add WebEvent to your commercial vendors page
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Subject: Please add WebEvent to your commercial vendors page
Hello,
Matador Design, Inc., is software development firm. We just released
WebEvent 3.1 BETA with is available for every major web server
including FreeBSD systems. Our main web site is run on FreeBSD and
we find it to be a great system to manage and support.
Please add a link to the software vendors page. It could consist of
something along these lines:
WebEvent is a web-based calendar and scheduling solution available
for FreeBSD web servers. It is a perfect addition to any Internet or
Intranet web site that needs to display event information, manage
schedules, rooms, or other resources.
For more information, please visit our Web site at:
http://www.MatadorDesign.com/
Thank you in advance for letting the FreeBSD know about this
commercial option for their system.
-James Cameron
Matador Design, Inc.
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>> The GNU project is writing a converter to TeXinfo.
> That'll be handy. Have you got any pointers to more information? I
> couldn't see anything about this on www.gnu.org.
No. rms issued a call for volunteers on last Monday. If he hasn't
found anybody, I'm going to write it myself. I don't think it should
take long to write. You (or anybody else on freebsd-doc) feel like
testing it when it's ready?
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On the following page
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.1R/errata.html
sub "Kernel change information is not changed ..."
you might consider adding that if there is no /boot/loader.rc it has to be
created.
I did not find it, and made a new file with just the lines you give and it
works fine!
Thanks very much. Fortunately someone pointed me to the page in reply to a
request I made in a newsgroup.
Should have read it before I started anyway.
Installation was no problem whatsoever after reading the errata. Great!
Thanks!
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On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 10:22:59AM -0600, Joel Ray Holveck wrote:
> >> The GNU project is writing a converter to TeXinfo.
> > That'll be handy. Have you got any pointers to more information? I
> > couldn't see anything about this on www.gnu.org.
>
> No. rms issued a call for volunteers on last Monday. If he hasn't
> found anybody, I'm going to write it myself. I don't think it should
> take long to write. You (or anybody else on freebsd-doc) feel like
> testing it when it's ready?
Yep. In as much as I'll run the Handbook through it and see what
comes out of the other end.
Given the large amount of TeXinfo docs out there, a TeXinfo to DocBook
converter would be quite useful as well.
N
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Hi,
[ I've cc'd this to the -doc mailing list as well, so it gets in the
archive. ]
On Tue, Mar 30, 1999 at 09:11:02AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> I've been reading the freebsd-doc mailing list, but I haven't seen a
> description of when or how to move over to the DocBook system.
>
> I assume that I can just 'pkg_delete linuxdoc' and then build the
> docproj port, then go to the root of the doc "source" tree and figure
> things out from there. But I would like confirmation first,
> particularly since my current copy of the doc sources still seems to
> think that it's linuxdoc. [I haven't cvsup'd it lately, but I would
> expect I'd need to do that before rebuilding under docbook as well.]
That's pretty much it.
Currently, the only documentation in the doc/ tree in DocBook is the
English version of the Handbook (doc/en/handbook/*). Note that the old
Handbook is still there (I haven't removed it yet, but I will do soon) in
doc/handbook, but the Makefile's have been changed so that (1) nothing tries
to build it, and (2) even if they did, it wouldn't work -- it now prints
a polite message and then exits.
You shouldn't delete "linuxdoc" because the other documentation still needs
it. You're right in that to install the other programs you can just install
the textproc/docproj port. However, keep in mind that this port *does not*
check the version numbers of the packages that are installed, it just
ensures that certain binaries exist in expected places. So you might
need to manually remove some of the packages you've installed and replace
them with new ones.
For example, textproc/dsssl-docbook-modular is currently at v1.33. But if
you've got v1.07 installed, it won't try and remove it and replace it with
the new one.
If anyone's got a good idea how to get around this I'd like to know about
it. I'll get in touch with the folks over in -ports as well and see if
there's a solution. In the meantime use (I think) sysutils/pkgversion.
You need teTeX-beta and jadetex installed in order to build the Postscript
version of the documentation (and the PDF version, when I fix that). This
is a big package, and is not installed by the docproj port by default. You
can ask for it to be installed by setting JADETEX=yes, i.e.,
# cd /usr/ports/textproc/docproj
# make JADETEX=yes install
or
# make JADETEX=no install
as necessary.
Once these have all been installed, and you have an up to date copy of
the doc tree to hand (and checked out in /usr/doc) you should be able
to do
# cd /usr/doc/en/handbook
# make
which will make the HTML (split into multiple files) version. You can
also do
# make FORMATS=foo
where "foo" is one of "html", "txt", "ps", "rtf", and shortly, "pdf".
Note that the Handbook is *not* self contained within the handbook/
directory. Specifically, it expects ../../share/* to exist as well
(i.e., /usr/doc/share/*). This contains various support files that will
eventually be shared among all the DocBook documents
> I realize that the "how to build the handbook" document is still on
> the to-do list with no one assigned to it, but a few hints now would
> help a lot of us, and probably increase the odds of someone just doing
> it.
The primer (http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/) explains how the Handbook
is organised in to different files (it's slightly out of date, there are
some extra files used now, but nothing serious).
Due to popular demand I'll be committing the primer and making pointers to
it more public in the near future. My home box is currently in the midst
of an upgrade to 3.1 (I wanted to repartition some disks, and move entirely
to ELF, so did this by reinstalling rather than just upgrading). When I've
got everything recompiled and working properly (2 more days I think) then
I'll be going through any other changes requested by people that are
currently in my pending queue.
N
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Hi, FreeBSD,
How can I start a NIS client?
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> Hi, FreeBSD,
>
> How can I start a NIS client?
>
Check www.realtime.net/sculpture/nis-startup.html for a simple
tutorial. Let me know if it helps and what might be made more clear.
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I'm having the following ports problems, keeping me from building
the docs:
- jadetex doesn't match its checksum and won't build (build failure
is due to missing .sty files)
- teTeX-beta won't build (build failure is a C language syntax error)
I haven't put in PRs (send-pr) for these problems yet, as I'm waiting
until I get a little more time to investigate them. I will, however,
re-cvsup before further investigation, as both problems look like
something slipping out of sync, and I'm not beyond hoping somebody who
already knows the packages will fix them first.
- Lowell Gilbert
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On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 12:12:08PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> I'm having the following ports problems, keeping me from building
> the docs:
> - jadetex doesn't match its checksum and won't build (build failure
> is due to missing .sty files)
> - teTeX-beta won't build (build failure is a C language syntax error)
>
> I haven't put in PRs (send-pr) for these problems yet, as I'm waiting
> until I get a little more time to investigate them. I will, however,
> re-cvsup before further investigation, as both problems look like
> something slipping out of sync, and I'm not beyond hoping somebody who
> already knows the packages will fix them first.
What version of FreeBSD? I know they work on 2.2-stable (because that's
what I tested them on originally) and they successfully installed on
freefall (a 3.1-stable box) last weekend. My box is still rebuilding
after my long-put-off ELF upgrade (I'm recompiling *everything*) and
I'll be checking out these ports later.
But in the mean time, more information, including logs of what
went wrong (run script(1) before installing the port, then send me
the 'typescript' file) would help.
Cheers,
N
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> I'm having the following ports problems, keeping me from building
> the docs:
> - jadetex doesn't match its checksum and won't build (build failure
> is due to missing .sty files)
Uh oh ... I hope someone didn't change jadetex out from under us. Let
me check ... sure enough, someone updated "jadetex.dtx" at
http://tug.org/applications/jadetex/. The time stamp on the file is
30mar99.
For now, try building the port with
make NO_CHECKSUM=yes
> - teTeX-beta won't build (build failure is a C language syntax error)
Yuck!
--Sean
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> - teTeX-beta won't build (build failure is a C language syntax error)
FYI, as I am the maintainer of the teTeX ports:
In the next couple of days there will be a code freeze on the
teTeX-0.9-pretest tree, because a new TeX Live CD-ROM will go to press
soon.
The code freeze will mark a stable-enough version of teTeX-0.9. From
this version I will update and revise the teTeX-beta port.
Thanks for your patience.
-Bernd
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> Incidentally, I've had a couple of minor problems building the docproj
> ports. One of the tarballs failed to match its checksum (I believe
> that was jadetex).
Sebastian has updated the files, without providing an older version. I've
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On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 12:18:43PM -0500, Ayan George wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good SGML book for use with the SGML tools
> available for FreeBSD?
Depends what you need. If you don't need to know much about SGML, but
just how to write DocBook, then take a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/
(which will be moving in to the FreeBSD 'official' documentation set soon)
It also covers much of the SGML theory that you'll need.
http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/
is the definitive web resource.
You might like to try _SGML for Dummies_. Crap title, but quite
informative, and well presented.
And there's also _DocBook: The definitive guide_. More info at the
(incomplete) website,
http://www.docbook.org/
Note that the text of this book will be FREELY DOWNLOADABLE (it isn't yet).
But if anyone finds it useful (and I think *anyone* that helps contribute
docs to the project will) I'd urge them to shell out the money for it
when it's released. The author, Norm Walsh, is a *good bloke* -- we use
his stylesheets to format the online and print versions of the Handbook.
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> > Stop bombardment Yogoslavia & Kosovo !!!
> > Barkovskij Alexandr from Russia...
>
> Yes, stop immediately!!!!
This is not the place to discuss this.
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> ports/palm/pilot_makedoc
TealDoc's version supports graphics and links.
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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Joseph T. Lee wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 06:34:27AM -0500, Brian Feldman wrote:
> > Doc is a nice format, but it's not hypertext. Check out
> > ports/palm/pilot_makedoc
>
> TealDoc's version supports graphics and links.
Is it a published format, though? I know TealDoc is $$$, but the format
must be open for it to be worth it to us Palm users.
>
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From: Nik Clayton
To: Bernd Rosauer
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Subject: Re: [nclayton@lehman.com: Re: Handbook DocBook cutover complete]
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On Thu, Apr 01, 1999 at 01:10:19PM +0200, Bernd Rosauer wrote:
> > - teTeX-beta won't build (build failure is a C language syntax error)
>
> The code freeze will mark a stable-enough version of teTeX-0.9. From
> this version I will update and revise the teTeX-beta port.
Before you do this, can you and I get together with whatever changes
you make to the port, and test them first. The port's now used to
produce the PS (and PDF) versions of the Handbook (and shortly other
documentation) and I'd like to ensure that this will all still work.
Cheers,
N
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Hi -
Given the release you may not care to change it, but I was just looking
over the Hypertext man page for natd(8) on 2.2.6-RELASE, and I noticed
what may be a typo. The interface option is listed as -i, rather than
-n.
:-)
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=natd&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+2.2.6-RELEASE&format=html
=========================================
NATD(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual
NATD(8)
NAME
natd - Network Address Translation Daemon
SYNOPSIS
natd [-ldsmvu] [-permanent_link] [-dynamic] [-i inport] [-o
outport] [-p
port] [-a address] [-i interface] [-f configfile]
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From: Nik Clayton
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On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 12:12:08PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> I'm having the following ports problems, keeping me from building
> the docs:
> - jadetex doesn't match its checksum and won't build (build failure
> is due to missing .sty files)
Fixed. Grab them from http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/distfiles/jadetex/.
Either put that path in the MASTER_SITES line in the Makefile, or
update your ports collection, because I've just committed the change.
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Subject: Re: Updated version of Filesystem benchmark
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On Wed, Mar 31, 1999 at 01:50:42PM -0600, Don Capps wrote:
> Just a quick note to let you know that the version of Iozone that
> you are making available is pretty old. The latest version may be
> obtained from: www.iozone.org
Don, freebsd-doc isn't the most suitable place to discuss ports
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For more information on how the ports collection works, see
. You will probably be
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Please let me offer my limited abilities to help in the documentation
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Howdy,
I just tried to access some sections of your online FreeBSD handbook from
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links
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Hi,
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 09:24:07AM -0800, emre@ergste.net wrote:
> Printing the PDF version, with prior "splitting" with FinePrint
> does look great, unfortunately only an old version of the
> docs is available via download (PDF-> February, 1998,
> PS-> March/February, 1999).
>
> Is there any chance of getting a PDF version that is
> up to date ?
It's taken me two weeks to get the updated software in place (and it's
not happening automatically yet) but
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/
contains the Handbook in a variety of formats (including PDF) available
compressed using gzip, zip, and bzip2.
Hope that's useful. It should be automated and built daily sometime
within the next fortnight.
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Folks,
The Handbook freeze is now over, so have at it!
Remember, doc/handbook is now obsolete, and all new commits should be
to doc/en/handbook.
Take a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/index.html
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plan on committing.
doc/handbook has about a week to live before I "cvs remove" it.
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I'm copying FreeBSD-doc on this. We should have done this long ago:
this has less to do with advocacy than it does with documentation.
On Saturday, 3 April 1999 at 18:10:59 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
>> Darren, do not waver. Your stuff is needed. I'll help you any way I can.
>> Whether you choose to go the handbook or whatever, IGP still needed. The
>> best witness to that fact is the number of request we get on undernet
>> #freebsd for help with installs.
>
> Given all the off-list offers and on-list discussion it's pretty
> obvious to me that the IGP is sorely needed.
I don't think anybody denies that. The discussion has been about how
you should implement it, not if you should.
> I'm going to see to it that the IGP goes through to compile a
> no-assumptions guide. I've had a very long think about the Handbook
> and incorporating the IGP with it and come to the conclusion that
> while parts of the IGP probably could fit very well with the
> Handbook, rewriting the Handbook is just not what I want to do.
I find this sad. You'd get a lot more help and cooperation if you'd
do it in the existing framework. If you go it alone, well, you go it
alone.
On Saturday, 3 April 1999 at 20:43:41 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> Bill Fumerola wrote:
>
>> Blah, blah, yadda, yadda. Instead of being a hero for the people try
>> updaing the existing documentation.
>
>> If you want to duplicate work, by all means, put it on your own website
>> and scream on the mailing lists "_MY_ work is better, go to
>> http://foo/FreeBSD-better-handbook/".
>>
>> Just don't expect anyone to 'cvs rm' the handbook (which isn't bad at all)
>> and import your newest brainstorm.
>
>> That would be because you are trying to replace an established work with
>> your pipedream.
>
>> This may sound like a quote from a jkh post, but: I haven't seen anything
>> tangible, just an "I don't like this", and when you've moved on to other
>> things, the handbook will still be here.
>
>
> This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Perhaps you'd
> like to read my other comments and elaboration about the IGP? I'm not
> trying to replace the Handbook.
Despite what Bill says, I think you should be. There are lots of
different styles in the handbook; putting in the IGP would be an
enrichment. As I said earlier, that doesn't mean that it should not
be possible to extract the IGP as a standalone document.
On Saturday, 3 April 1999 at 20:58:59 -0800, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> Donald Wilde wrote:
>>
>> Re: your
>>
>> One of the things you'll have to get used to is that anybody who stands
>> up gets poked at, sometimes even by Project pillars like Jordan and
>> Greg. Use it to stiffen your resolve, and don't let it dismay you.
>
> Aye, point well taken. But this is my first serious attempt, couldn't
> yall have at least handed me a can of mace before throwing me to the
> dogs? :-)
Why should you get special treatment? :-)
>> Stay the course, Darren. Talk to the -newbies and ignore the crabby,
>> jaded ones who've forgotten what it's like not to have a clue about BSD.
>> :-D
>
> I plan on soliciting for volunteers in -newbies. I just want to have
> some kind of a webpage up for them to read before waving the Uncle
> Sam posters.
It seems fashionable at the moment to believe that newbies can do
things that experienced people can't, simply because they're closer to
the problem. I have yet to see a really successful document come out
of this approach. I've found it a lot easier to let experienced
people write the documentation and have newbies review it to death.
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On 5 Apr 99, at 11:50, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >> Stay the course, Darren. Talk to the -newbies and ignore the crabby,
> >> jaded ones who've forgotten what it's like not to have a clue about
> >> BSD. :-D
> >
> > I plan on soliciting for volunteers in -newbies. I just want to have
> > some kind of a webpage up for them to read before waving the Uncle Sam
> > posters.
>
> It seems fashionable at the moment to believe that newbies can do
> things that experienced people can't, simply because they're closer to the
> problem. I have yet to see a really successful document come out of this
> approach. I've found it a lot easier to let experienced people write the
> documentation and have newbies review it to death.
But that's what is proposed. Letting newbies review it.
As for successful documents, and this is tongue in cheek for the
humourless, some people, myself included, consider my website a success.
And whilst I am a newbie with respect to FreeBSD, I'm not new to the
computer field. I think it's horses for courses.
I'm all for experienced people writing documents. But, clearly, nobody
has stepped forward before this IGP was started. Otherwise, we'd already
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On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 15:58:55 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 5 Apr 99, at 11:50, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>>>> Stay the course, Darren. Talk to the -newbies and ignore the crabby,
>>>> jaded ones who've forgotten what it's like not to have a clue about
>>>> BSD. :-D
>>>
>>> I plan on soliciting for volunteers in -newbies. I just want to have
>>> some kind of a webpage up for them to read before waving the Uncle Sam
>>> posters.
>>
>> It seems fashionable at the moment to believe that newbies can do
>> things that experienced people can't, simply because they're closer to the
>> problem. I have yet to see a really successful document come out of this
>> approach. I've found it a lot easier to let experienced people write the
>> documentation and have newbies review it to death.
>
> But that's what is proposed. Letting newbies review it.
Ah, then I misunderstood.
> As for successful documents, and this is tongue in cheek for the
> humourless, some people, myself included, consider my website a
> success. And whilst I am a newbie with respect to FreeBSD, I'm not
> new to the computer field. I think it's horses for courses.
Yes, I agree, your web site is a success. But it's not exactly
documentation, at least not the way I understand that Darren wants to
do it.
> I'm all for experienced people writing documents. But, clearly,
> nobody has stepped forward before this IGP was started. Otherwise,
> we'd already have the IG.
Right. I had intended to overhaul exactly this part of the handbook,
but beyond writing a "what to download" section for review far too
long ago now (http://www.lemis.com/handbook/what-to-download.html), I
haven't done anything. As I said before, I'm not discussing whether
it should be done, just how.
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On Fri, Apr 02, 1999 at 01:53:52PM -0800, Nocturne wrote:
>
> This is something that I could actually work on, so here I go:
>
> FreeBSD Installation Guide Project
>
> We need:
> Web space for a home site and a person (or two) to make the pages.
> People with working knowledge of how to setup a basic LAN (NAT,
> routed/gated, DNS, ipfw, ppp) to work with dialup or DSL/cable.
> Proof-readers to make sure the information has as few knowledge
> pre-requisites as possible.
> Users who are very new to either FreeBSD or unix in general to read
> through the instructions and point out anything we miss or take for
> granted.
> (anything else?)
>
> We ask:
>
> What topics do we need to cover?
> Do we really need any printed man pages?
> What information can be accessed from the CD prior to install?
> What of that information is printable?
> (any other points to address?)
I see this has generated a long thread that I might not have totally
caught up with, nevertheless I'd like to make a few cynical remarks.
I have seen scores of installation guide attempts come to nothing, a
few reach a point where they are available but considered "unfinished"
by their authors for months or years, and several actually finished. I
don't like any of them. I have no reason to believe that the next one,
or the one after that, is one I will like any better.
In particular, those ideas which depend on enlisting volunteers to work
with someone on their pet idea are famous for not getting off the
ground. Hardly any new FreeBSD user hasn't said "gee, I could write a
better installation guide" so it can be hard to sell them on the idea
of working with someone else's ideas. See the first 2-3 months of the
freebsd-newbies archive (a year ago) for many spectacular
illustrations, but grab a tissue first.
If you, or anyone else, wants to write YAIG please go right ahead. The
more finished attempts the better. Just don't be too surprised if those
around you are skeptical until it bears fruit. Once we've got a few
dozen of these "Ha! Even I could do better than that!" documents, we
might start to see a few that are indeed better, and from that new
perspective we might start to get a better idea of what is required to
cover everyone's needs. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be
very nice to see.
Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
If you want it to be a FreeBSD project, to some extent that will allow
you to draw on the human and other resources of the community,
especially the Doc Project people. You can also give it a FreeBSD Doc
Project name if it's functioning as a project. The cost is that the
work you do with documentation as part of the central FreeBSD effort
must fit in and support the existing Doc Project. That doesn't mean
that it can't amplify it in new directions, but if you want the support
of the team you gotta be prepared to play their game a little
sometimes. Of course your goal would be to put effort into the FreeBSD
Project, not dissipate its resources. The work you put in will help
many other FreeBSD users and improve the standing of the Doc Project.
If you want to do it external to the FreeBSD Project, you have total
freedom. It's a bit hard to call it a FreeBSD project if it's not, but
you can write whatever you like, however you want to, choose who works
with you and even set out what they are to do. Human and other
resources will be offered to you by individuals from the community, but
external to the FreeBSD Project itself, on the basis of how well you
are regarded, how clear your ideas are, and how easy to work with you
appear to be. What's more, if you retain your position as leader
throughout you can put it up on your own site somewhere as your own
accomplishment. If it's good you might even manage to get a link to
your site from the FreeBSD web site, and if it turns out not too good
or incomplete, ah, hell, you can put it up somewhere anyway. The work
you put in will help many other FreeBSD users and make you look good.
In the past I've gotten pretty hot under the collar about people going
off blowing their own little trumpets instead of working with the Doc
team, but in this particular case I hold the opposite view. I predict
that the next several attempts at an installation guide still won't cut
it, and I'd like to see a fair bit more experimentation and testing
before settling on what to have in the Handbook long term. That doesn't
mean that the Handbook can't be improved or rewritten in the meantime,
but it's a lot easier to ditch and replace a Handbook entry that was
written by "Doc" than one which has a heavy investment of some
individual's name or viewpoint.
Go do your thing, any way you can, any way you feel like, for exactly
as long as you feel like doing it. If you need the help of others,
you'll get it if you're offering them what they need in return.
Whatever you end up doing will be worthwhile and others are bound to
learn from your experience in many ways. Just set out with very clear
plans, and make sure it has a good chance of becoming very finished.
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> Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
> Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
> There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
This is something I may have missed before. Everyone seems to agree an IG
is needed. We now seem only to be debating the form: should it be part of
the Handbook or not.
Does this mean that if the IG is not part of the Handbook, then it's not a
FreeBSD Project? [this isn't directed necessarily at you Sue]
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On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 19:16:32 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 5 Apr 99, at 16:49, Sue Blake wrote:
>
>> Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
>> Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
>> There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
>
> This is something I may have missed before. Everyone seems to agree an IG
> is needed. We now seem only to be debating the form: should it be part of
> the Handbook or not.
Yup, you missed it. I said it in at least 3 messages.
> Does this mean that if the IG is not part of the Handbook, then it's
> not a FreeBSD Project? [this isn't directed necessarily at you Sue]
Not to the same degree. Darren made it clear that he didn't like
doing it in the framework of the handbook. That doesn't mean that it
won't be gratefully accepted if he finishes it and does a good job,
just that it's not a planned project. I think Sue put the issues
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On 5 Apr 99, at 16:52, Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 19:16:32 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 5 Apr 99, at 16:49, Sue Blake wrote:
> >
> >> Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
> >> Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
> >> There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
> >
> > This is something I may have missed before. Everyone seems to agree an
> > IG is needed. We now seem only to be debating the form: should it be
> > part of the Handbook or not.
>
> Yup, you missed it. I said it in at least 3 messages.
. No, it's not that which I missed... It's this next bit.
> > Does this mean that if the IG is not part of the Handbook, then it's not
> > a FreeBSD Project? [this isn't directed necessarily at you Sue]
>
> Not to the same degree. Darren made it clear that he didn't like
> doing it in the framework of the handbook. That doesn't mean that it
> won't be gratefully accepted if he finishes it and does a good job, just
> that it's not a planned project. I think Sue put the issues pretty well.
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On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 07:16:32PM +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 5 Apr 99, at 16:49, Sue Blake wrote:
>
> > Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
> > Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
> > There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
>
> This is something I may have missed before. Everyone seems to agree an IG
> is needed. We now seem only to be debating the form: should it be part of
> the Handbook or not.
every cdrom (freebsd from walnut creek) comes with a
installation 'guide' a booklet made from teh textfile authered
by jordan k hubard. from what i can understand of teh depth of
this documentation sub project is a very good effort.
from this we go to teh efforts by greg lehey, a compilation of
information .. so well written and some well why bother ?
together with teh so what less than relevent manpages tacked
on, it is a heavy awkward to use installation guide.
on we go to a project by teh team at vmunix.com (sorry chris et
al if i got this wrong, well any way the people behind teh
daemonnews.org). on this site is teh genisis of a good book,
also an installation guide.
we have a pletora of 'installation guides', i would be so bold
as to suggest that we don't need anotger 'installation guide',
what we are in sore need off is good, well written and authered
with a bit od sobriety some (many and relevent) linux style
how-to's.
already thier is a cache at freebsd,org in teh tutorials
section and a few being added in s steady stream ... this
stream will never be a torrent, mores the pity, but it is a
growing stream and that is heartenig.
> Does this mean that if the IG is not part of the Handbook, then it's not a
> FreeBSD Project? [this isn't directed necessarily at you Sue]
these tutorialettes, how-toettes can stand alone and be very
seamlessly incorporated into 'teh handbook' project, or whatevr
other flavour project you have on your hands.
going back to one of teh better installation guide 'skeletons'
"the complete freebsd", i've read it and read it both as a
'book to read' and as a source of information required to do a
job, if it is a simple job and requires no real exp,anation or
is not terribly complex 'teh complete freebsd is a really good
place to turn .. it serves its purpose as a good installation
GUIDE.
but if one turns to teh complete freebsd as an authorotataive
and ore definitive text on freebsd, it leaves a sadness, a sour
taste int eh mouth as a direct restut of teh poor writing etyle
and teh (at times groos incompleteness of teh few tpoics
covered. it is a very good place to start and serves as a very
good skeleten that whould, in this readers view be fleshed out
more in teh next incarnation.
comparisions are odious, so i hope i havent brought these two
close enough for this to happen, be 'teh freebsd book', by
the team at vmunix.com are doing a better job of work at
turning out a differently polished job of work provided by teh
complete freebsd. please, these re generalisations based on
what i know of these two very seperate, very differently
produced texts.
i would like to say that as fro installation guides, we have
many, possibly more than we need, in truth. but, as for
how-to's i doubt we will ever have enough, even for a staid old,
stable project like the berkeley unix, reincarnated as a free
bsd.
in closing, i'm ofering observations based on opinions i hold
based on where i've been on teh pat that has gotten me to here,
writting this .. to, for, you all.
regards
jonathan
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I was trying to learn how to use newsyslog, and the man page for it is
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In the description of porperties for the newsyslog.conf file, the size
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Hello...
There is a problem with the docbook handbook, at least, in html
generation for http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
Ths links for "next", "Prev" and "Home" have a ? at left side that must
not be there. The ? simbol is at "Table of contents" in home page too.
JesusR.
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Hello...
There is a problem with freebsd.dsl and html-split handbook format. I
have had to comment the next lines for be able to make the html-split
hanbook (and other own docs that use freebsd.dsl):
share/sgml/freebsd.dsl:
The problem seems that defining lang.ja makes that "gentext-nav-prev
prev" on /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/html/dbl10n.dsl
gets undefined and goes to:
else(error "L10N ERROR: gentext-nav-prev)
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On 05-Apr-99 jonathan michaels wrote:
> every cdrom (freebsd from walnut creek) comes with a
> installation 'guide' a booklet made from teh textfile authered
> by jordan k hubard. from what i can understand of teh depth of
> this documentation sub project is a very good effort.
Have you read that recently? It hasn't changed since like 2.2.6 or something,
and now is a bit out of date in some places. BTW, is that guid sotred in the
tree somewhere? I'd like to submit some patches to update it to 3.x if I could
get a copy to work off of.
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On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 04:51:22PM +0200, Jesus Rodriguez wrote:
> There is a problem with the docbook handbook, at least, in html
> generation for http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
>
> Ths links for "next", "Prev" and "Home" have a ? at left side that must
> not be there. The ? simbol is at "Table of contents" in home page too.
Fixed. There was a time window when it was using EUC encoding. The
website nightly build coincided with this window.
The next update will fix this.
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On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 06:56:42PM +0200, Jesus Rodriguez wrote:
> There is a problem with freebsd.dsl and html-split handbook format. I
> have had to comment the next lines for be able to make the html-split
> hanbook (and other own docs that use freebsd.dsl):
>
> share/sgml/freebsd.dsl:
>
>
>
Put
somewhere at the start of freebsd.dsl (right after the output.print entity
is a good place). This is the fix I was talking about in my previous
message.
Which reminds me, if you need to put any Spanish specific stuff in, wrap
it in
and put
in freebsd.dsl. Then run jade with
jade -ilang.es ....
to turn it on.
N
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On 5 Apr 99, at 16:51, Jesus Rodriguez wrote:
> Ths links for "next", "Prev" and "Home" have a ? at left side that must
> not be there. The ? simbol is at "Table of contents" in home page too.
FWIW, I don't get a '?', but at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/, I see
"=CC=DC=BC=A1(Table of Contents)". From
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html, I see:
FreeBSD Handbook
=C1=B0=CA=C7(Prev) =BC=A1=CA=C7(Next)
hth.
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Greg Lehey wrote:
> > I'm going to see to it that the IGP goes through to compile a
> > no-assumptions guide. I've had a very long think about the Handbook
> > and incorporating the IGP with it and come to the conclusion that
> > while parts of the IGP probably could fit very well with the
> > Handbook, rewriting the Handbook is just not what I want to do.
>
> I find this sad. You'd get a lot more help and cooperation if you'd
> do it in the existing framework. If you go it alone, well, you go it
> alone.
The original object was to create a printed booklet that could be
included with the CD set, so folks wouldn't have to flip flop between
systems or screens to get through the install. I just thought that
making something seperate from the Handbook, then incorporating it
later would be easier than writing a large set of patches. Given that
there is almost no part of the Handbook that doesn't make assumptions
that would be a very large patchwork indeed.
If it's the only way I can get help, then I'm willing to redirect my
efforts to the Handbook.
> Despite what Bill says, I think you should be. There are lots of
> different styles in the handbook; putting in the IGP would be an
> enrichment. As I said earlier, that doesn't mean that it should not
> be possible to extract the IGP as a standalone document.
Why not do it the other way around?
> > I plan on soliciting for volunteers in -newbies. I just want to have
> > some kind of a webpage up for them to read before waving the Uncle
> > Sam posters.
>
> It seems fashionable at the moment to believe that newbies can do
> things that experienced people can't, simply because they're closer to
> the problem. I have yet to see a really successful document come out
> of this approach. I've found it a lot easier to let experienced
> people write the documentation and have newbies review it to death.
The volunteers I was referring to are folks to do just that. I know
I'm going to need experienced folks.
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Greg Lehey wrote:
>
> On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 15:58:55 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 5 Apr 99, at 11:50, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >
> >>>> Stay the course, Darren. Talk to the -newbies and ignore the crabby,
> >>>> jaded ones who've forgotten what it's like not to have a clue about
> >>>> BSD. :-D
> >>>
> >>> I plan on soliciting for volunteers in -newbies. I just want to have
> >>> some kind of a webpage up for them to read before waving the Uncle Sam
> >>> posters.
> >>
> >> It seems fashionable at the moment to believe that newbies can do
> >> things that experienced people can't, simply because they're closer to the
> >> problem. I have yet to see a really successful document come out of this
> >> approach. I've found it a lot easier to let experienced people write the
> >> documentation and have newbies review it to death.
> >
> > But that's what is proposed. Letting newbies review it.
>
> Ah, then I misunderstood.
>
> > As for successful documents, and this is tongue in cheek for the
> > humourless, some people, myself included, consider my website a
> > success. And whilst I am a newbie with respect to FreeBSD, I'm not
> > new to the computer field. I think it's horses for courses.
>
> Yes, I agree, your web site is a success. But it's not exactly
> documentation, at least not the way I understand that Darren wants to
> do it.
>
> > I'm all for experienced people writing documents. But, clearly,
> > nobody has stepped forward before this IGP was started. Otherwise,
> > we'd already have the IG.
>
> Right. I had intended to overhaul exactly this part of the handbook,
> but beyond writing a "what to download" section for review far too
> long ago now (http://www.lemis.com/handbook/what-to-download.html), I
> haven't done anything. As I said before, I'm not discussing whether
> it should be done, just how.
I think most of the discussion has been over misunderstandings of my
intentions. I'm not surpised at that, many people don't understand
me. :-)
If I can get over this damned infection, I hope to have a web-page
ready to send to DW by the end of the week.
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Greg Lehey wrote:
> On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 19:16:32 +1200, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 5 Apr 99, at 16:49, Sue Blake wrote:
> >
> >> Having decided to proceed, you've got a big choice to make.
> >> Do you want this to be an independent effort, or a FreeBSD project?
> >> There are pros and cons with each, but you can't have it both ways.
> >
> > This is something I may have missed before. Everyone seems to agree an IG
> > is needed. We now seem only to be debating the form: should it be part of
> > the Handbook or not.
>
> Yup, you missed it. I said it in at least 3 messages.
>
> > Does this mean that if the IG is not part of the Handbook, then it's
> > not a FreeBSD Project? [this isn't directed necessarily at you Sue]
>
> Not to the same degree. Darren made it clear that he didn't like
> doing it in the framework of the handbook. That doesn't mean that it
> won't be gratefully accepted if he finishes it and does a good job,
> just that it's not a planned project. I think Sue put the issues
> pretty well.
Kinda. What got to me was the idea that if I wanted any support from
FreeBSD at all, I would have to abandon my original prime objective;
in which case it would be more productive for me to abandon the
project altogether and volunteer for the FDP.
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On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> Kinda. What got to me was the idea that if I wanted any support from
> FreeBSD at all, I would have to abandon my original prime objective;
> in which case it would be more productive for me to abandon the
> project altogether and volunteer for the FDP.
Important Point: I am not FreeBSD.
There are ~150 other committers, I just happen to be very vocal on this
issue. If you really want direction, talk to Nik.
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[crossed because there are now two cascades going]
Don't reply to this message, start a new thread and keep my address
out of it.
I've heard the arguements, I know who's cheering me on, who thinks I'd
wasting my time if I don't work with the existing framework, and who
thinks my ambitions are a full of it. Now I'm going to disappear for
the rest of the week so that I can devote most of my time to
organizing this potential project. If someone has something new to
add to the cascade, instead of reiterating previous messages, please
e-mail me directly. Anyone offering help, either internal or external
to the FDP, please e-mail me directly.
If you don't like what I just said, I'm not listening. :-)
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On 05-Apr-99 Donald Wilde wrote:
> Hi, Guys!
>
> I have an opportunity coming up in the medium future which will be a
> great chance to showcase FreeBSD and the Programmer's Doc project.
> Forrest Cavalier, the creator of the ReuseRKT
> (http://www.mibsoftware.com/reuse/), has been at it again. He's created
> a cross-platform source tree mirroring tool called HTTPsync, and DDJ is
> going to be publishing an article on it in the July issue, to hit the
> stands around the beginning of June. In return for my help in promoting
> his RKT site, Forrest has offered to link one or two of our showcase
> projects to his site via HTTPsync. Given the traffic boost he will get
> from DDJ, it will be an excellent firecracker for us as well.
Sounds cool, I am currently trying to get egcs++ to work a-ok so that I can
install and use everything I need in order to use DocBook for the PDP.
Current things on the stack with the PDP will include standards/compliance,
functions, crossreferences, manual pages.
Basically this will do what the other developers forgot to document and
more...
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Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
>
> On 05-Apr-99 Donald Wilde wrote:
> > Hi, Guys!
> >
> > I have an opportunity coming up in the medium future which will be a
> > great chance to showcase FreeBSD and the Programmer's Doc project.
> > Forrest Cavalier, the creator of the ReuseRKT
> > (http://www.mibsoftware.com/reuse/), has been at it again. He's created
> > a cross-platform source tree mirroring tool called HTTPsync, and DDJ is
> > going to be publishing an article on it in the July issue, to hit the
> > stands around the beginning of June. In return for my help in promoting
> > his RKT site, Forrest has offered to link one or two of our showcase
> > projects to his site via HTTPsync. Given the traffic boost he will get
> > from DDJ, it will be an excellent firecracker for us as well.
>
> Sounds cool, I am currently trying to get egcs++ to work a-ok so that I can
> install and use everything I need in order to use DocBook for the PDP.
>
> Current things on the stack with the PDP will include standards/compliance,
> functions, crossreferences, manual pages.
>
> Basically this will do what the other developers forgot to document and
> more...
>
Which has a lot of synergy with Forrest's ReuseRKT. He's not
FreeBSD-specific, but he's creating a great programmer's reference. Take
a look, you'll see what I mean. Our source code is the foundation of his
reference site, although it's growing very fast.
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On 05-Apr-99 Donald Wilde wrote:
> Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
>>
>> Current things on the stack with the PDP will include
>> standards/compliance, functions, crossreferences, manual pages.
>>
>> Basically this will do what the other developers forgot to document and
>> more...
>>
> Which has a lot of synergy with Forrest's ReuseRKT. He's not
> FreeBSD-specific, but he's creating a great programmer's reference. Take
> a look, you'll see what I mean. Our source code is the foundation of his
> reference site, although it's growing very fast.
Will do and mayhaps even contact him to discuss some stuff.
Other things I might do after I have done a large part of the PDP is add
NetBSD and OpenBSD differences and similarities. Think that might also be
very handy to have...
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Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
>
> On 05-Apr-99 Donald Wilde wrote:
> > Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai wrote:
> >>
> >> Current things on the stack with the PDP will include
> >> standards/compliance, functions, crossreferences, manual pages.
> >>
> >> Basically this will do what the other developers forgot to document and
> >> more...
> >>
> > Which has a lot of synergy with Forrest's ReuseRKT. He's not
> > FreeBSD-specific, but he's creating a great programmer's reference. Take
> > a look, you'll see what I mean. Our source code is the foundation of his
> > reference site, although it's growing very fast.
>
> Will do and mayhaps even contact him to discuss some stuff.
>
mibsoft@mibsoftware.com.
> Other things I might do after I have done a large part of the PDP is add
> NetBSD and OpenBSD differences and similarities. Think that might also be
> very handy to have...
>
He'd be a great sounding board, he borrows extensively from all three. I
agree about comparisons, I'd like to know just what it is beyond config
defaults that makes OpenBSD more secure, for instance.
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How do,
[ I've cc'd this to -advocacy, where a lot of the discussion still seems
to be happening ]
On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 01:23:02PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> Kinda. What got to me was the idea that if I wanted any support from
> FreeBSD at all, I would have to abandon my original prime objective;
> in which case it would be more productive for me to abandon the
> project altogether and volunteer for the FDP.
I've been trying to stay out of this, because I know that I'll only end
up writing an incredibly lengthy e-mail that'll just spawn another
round of long messages. But everyone else is having their two cents
(or whatever the local denomination is), so I may as well have a go.
First off, being listed as the Doc. Proj. Manager in the Handbook hasn't
imbued me with some mystical sense of what's the right thing to do, and
I'm willing to be argued out of most of what follows, if the arguments
are good enough, obviously.
Let me see if I can summarise; you've decided that the FreeBSD documentation
set is sadly lacking in easy to follow installation instructions, and you
want to fill this gap. Several other people have said (and I'm
paraphrasing) "You can't do this unless you do it in the Handbook, we
won't help you unless you put it in the Handbook, it won't be anything
to do with FreeBSD unless it goes in the Handbook." You think this is
a bad idea, and have almost decided to go off and code for Microsoft (or
something like that).
Possibly a touch over the top, but that's pretty much what it's coming
across as. :-)
Right. First things first. Thanks for volunteering to write documentation.
*Any* documentation. Documentation is massively underrated by many people,
and we need it, the more the better.
Secondly, the Handbook and the FAQ are not the be-all and end-all of online
FreeBSD documentation. The FreeBSD diary demonstrates this point well,
as does the work over at vmunix.com, as do the various other tutorials
that are linked to on the website (and some that, doubtless, are not linked
to from the website).
There's definitely room for material that does not fit within the framework
of the FAQ and the Handbook. It's entirely possible that this installation
guide falls into that category.
If you do decide that this should be a standalone work, don't think that
you won't get any support from this (and other) lists. There's no rule
that says "If it's not on www.freebsd.org then we don't want to know".
So, if you want to work on this in your own space, and with your own ideas
that's great. Solicit help in here (and on other, appropriate, lists).
Post URLs to work in progress, invite comments, and all the other stuff
you'll need to do to get a polished piece of work. And if anyone complains
about it not being a part of the Handbook, point 'em my way :-)
Having said all that, you might want to reconsider. Or at least consider
a little bit longer. Here are some of the attractions that making this
part of the Handbook can bring you;
* It's part of the main online resource for FreeBSD. Not the only
resource, but certainly the main one. As such, the Handbook needs
good documentation, and good documentation needs an audience. The
two would fit well together.
* If you make it a part of the Handbook, it will automatically be
mirrored over umpteen different web servers all round the world.
* As part of the Handbook, it will go on to all the FreeBSD CDs
produced by Walnut Creek.
* As part of the Handbook, it will be translated in to different
languages by the FreeBSD translation teams -- Spanish, Japanese,
French, German, to name but a few.
* You get commit access to the FreeBSD tree[1]
* You get to take advantage of the technology I've been integrating for
the past few months, allowing your carefully chosen words of wisdom
to be distributed as HTML, Postscript, PDF, RTF, DOC, . . .
* You get the send-pr system for people to submit changes to it to you.
* When you decide to take a break for a bit, other people can keep
maintaining it.
There's probably more, but they're the one's I can think of at this time
of night.
Of course, the bottom line is that it's your decision. I'd prefer it if
you worked within the framework of the Handbook (if nothing else, it means
one more person who knows how the Handbook works, and can commit other
people's changes, so spreading the workload around a bit more). But no one
here can force you to.
N
[1] Well, not immediately. Normally, it works something like this. You
send me (or someone else) some patches to the Handbook. We apply them.
They apply cleanly. We do this again. And again. And again. Pretty
soon I've got bored of applying all these patches myself when they work
first time, and I pester Jordan or one of of the others to give you
a login on freefall and commit rights.
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> Having said all that, you might want to reconsider. Or at least consider
> a little bit longer. Here are some of the attractions that making this
> part of the Handbook can bring you;
>
>
Let me just add one more, if I might, and hope that it doesn't make
things even more difficult rather than less so: Walnut Creek CDROM
would also like to hire someone, either remotely or on-site, to start
seriously working to improve the handbook. We'd like to publish it,
you see, but what's there just isn't publishable yet and it NEEDS to
be published if we're to create a "feedback loop" where some number of
people are actually getting revenue from it and thus compelled to
actively improve the thing. The Handbook hasn't really had much in
the way of active content addition to it for some time and I think
this is the only way forward for it. Apathy sure doesn't seem to be
working.
So, by stepping up to the plate with the handbook and doing a credible
job in improving it for long enough to convince the skeptics (me) of
your sincerity and skill, you also run the additional risk of being
offered the task as a paying job, and how's that for incentive. :-)
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Nik Clayton wrote:
>
> How do,
>
> [ I've cc'd this to -advocacy, where a lot of the discussion still seems
> to be happening ]
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 01:23:02PM -0700, Darren Pilgrim wrote:
> > Kinda. What got to me was the idea that if I wanted any support from
> > FreeBSD at all, I would have to abandon my original prime objective;
> > in which case it would be more productive for me to abandon the
> > project altogether and volunteer for the FDP.
>
> I've been trying to stay out of this, because I know that I'll only end
> up writing an incredibly lengthy e-mail that'll just spawn another
> round of long messages. But everyone else is having their two cents
> (or whatever the local denomination is), so I may as well have a go.
Lengthy?
Why didn't anyone tell me any of this sooner? Anyway, working on the
Handbook isn't out of the question, just not the first part of the
project as_I_see_it_. It wouldn't surprise me if at least some part
of the project's product gets incorporated into the Handbook. If it
does, it only makes sense that I be part of that process as well. If
it's going to replace/supplement anything, it would be Jordan's
booklet that comes with the CD set, that is, after all, my original
intention.
As for the "disappearing acting" people think I'm going to pull
(partly due to my e-mail about not replying to messages anymore), I'm
going to return, I just want to isolate myself long enough to think
straight, get my ideas on paper, then possibly revise them per the
suggestions of others. But I can't do that at all if I'm continuing
the cascades.
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Hi folks,
People seem to be a bit more active on this list recently, so I'm reposting
something from November last year. Now that the DocBook conversion is
done I'm looking at this in more detail, and would appreciate comments.
Sean Kelly, Jordan, Eivind, and Sue Blake[1] will recognise some of this.
Also, this is long, sorry about that.
N
[1] Do you know you've arrived in the FreeBSD project when people just
refer to you by your first name?
=========================================================================
Handbook Reorganisation
The basic idea is simple. The Handbook has grown fairly organically, and
can be reorganised. This reorganisation should reflect how people use the
Handbook, and allow for currently missing content to be slotted in more
easily.
This should also make it easier for projects, such as "FreeBSD Installation
Guide" or the "Programmers Documentation Project" to slip right in to this
framework. If necessary, people can maintain their own books out of the
main FreeBSD doc tree, while still maintaining the FreeBSD look and feel and
integration with the rest of the docs (if they want to, of course).
The Handbook's target audience needs to be understood. The Handbook should
be catering for the spectrum of people who, at one end, have never heard of
Unix or FreeBSD before through to those people who are very familiar with
FreeBSD, but who need a useful reference, or want to know as much as
possible about a topic they haven't yet covered (for example, printing).
This is likely to yield quite a schizophrenic document unless tackled
carefully.
The gist of my proposal is to split the Handbook up in to a number of
smaller books, containing between 70-150 'pages'. These would then truly be
*hand*books. Each book should tackle one topic, and not repeat information
from one of the other books. For example, if a book's topic requires that
the reader reconfigure their kernel (for example, Firewalls), they should be
directed to the appropriate part of the "Configuring FreeBSD" book, instead
of repeating that information there.
A seasoned system administrator will be able to go to whichever book tackles
the task they are trying to complete, without getting bogged down in
extraneous detail. Someone new to FreeBSD will be told "Read these 'x'
books first (which cover installation and configuration) and then go and
read whichever of the other books talk about what you are interested in" to
bring them up to speed.
Note that it should be assumed that the reader has at least some OS
experience. I think it is biting off more than we can chew if we assume we
need to teach OS basics as well (although that could be a topic for another
book in the series, which would give the user enough knowledge to then move
on to some of the others).
Each book conforms to a similar organisation. They begin with an overview
explaining what will be tackled by that book, and what the user will be
able to do when they have completed the book. Any prerequisite knowledge
that the user must have is also outlined here.
The rest of the book then works through whatever that section is talking
about, until the user has done whatever it is they want to do. In general,
if the section requires hardware ("Printing", "Modems", "Ethernet". . .)
then the installation and configuration of that hardware is covered first --
this should cover the physical installation of the hardware ("Plug in your
ethernet card in accordance with the manufacturers instructions") and the
configuration necessary to get FreeBSD to recognise the hardware ("Add the
line "device ..." to your kernel config file and rebuild your kernel. If you
don't know what this means then please read the "Configuring your kernel"
book"). Then the software is covered. In some cases this might include
several different applications. Finally, a "Further reading" section can
cover books, magazines, web sites, and other books in the series.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here's how I see the new books shaping up. Note that a lot of the
content doesn't exist yet. My comments are bracketed by '[' and ']'
after each book.
Note that the ordering of books here is *not* implying an order in which
people should be expected to read them.
Book 0: Read This First
Conventions in this documentation (foreward? preface?)
Introduction
Differences from. . .
- DOS
- Linux
- Solaris
- SunOS
- BSDi
- NetBSD
- OpenBSD
Obtaining FreeBSD
Installing FreeBSD
- PC Hardware Compatibility
Unix Basics
[ This is the one that everyone should read first. There's no reason why
the "Installing FreeBSD" and "Unix Basics" chapters couldn't be
separate books in their own right. ]
Book 1: Configuring FreeBSD
Overview
- What you can configure
Making configuration changes
- At boot time (start up)
- At run time
- In the kernel
Further reading
[ If you want to configure FreeBSD then read this. /etc/rc.conf, rc.local,
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/*, how to configure a new kernel, sysctl and other
tunables. This talks about the process, rather than how you would configure
any particular option. Another book might say "Add the foo device to the
kernel", this book explains how to do that. ]
Book 2: Installing Applications
Using the ports collection to install applications
Installing applications by hand
[ Self evident ]
Book 3: Monitoring and limiting users
Overview
login.conf
Disk quotas
Process accounting
Further reading
[ Self evident ]
Book 4: Security
Overview
S/Key
Kerberos
SSH
Further reading
- Firewalls
[ Self evident. Content shamelessly taken from the security section in
the existing Handbook ]
Book 5: The text console
Overview
Syscons
- Virtual terminals
- Fonts
- Using the mouse with syscons
PCVT
Further reading
[ Doesn't currently exist, probably should do. ]
Book 6: Printing
Overview
Hardware setup
The LPD Spooler
...
The LPNG Spooler
...
Printing to printers on other computers
- Windows NT
- Linux
- Macintosh
Further reading
[ Shamelessly taken from existing Handbook ]
Book 7: Using modems and null modems (serial connections)
Overview
Before using a modem with FreeBSD
Using a modem/serial line to talk to remote hosts
Further reading
[ Based on existing content in the Handbook ]
Book 8: TCP/IP Networking (the Internet)
Overview
- IP addresses, netmasks
- Gateways and routing
TCP/IP
- PPP
- SLIP
- Ethernet
DNS
NIS
Security (firewalls)
Further reading
[ A reordering, and an addition to, existing content ]
Book 9: Electronic Mail Servers
Overview
SMTP
- Sendmail
- Qmail
POP
IMAP
Further reading
[ Doesn't currently exist. Would explain the basics of SMTP, what an
MTA does, and how to use the popular ones ]
Book 10: Electronic Mail Clients
Overview
FreeBSD
- Mutt
- Elm
- XFmail
- PINE
Windows
- Eudora
Macintosh
- Eudora
Further reading
[ Doesn't currently exist. This is where the Mutt/Pine/rmail fanatics
get to fight it out with one another. Include chapters explaining how
to configure common MUAs on other platforms to read their mail from
FreeBSD ]
Book 11: File sharing
Overview
NFS
SMB
Coda
Appletalk
Further reading
[ Self evident ]
Book 12: Time/date synchronization
Overview
- NTP
Being a time server
Synchronising from a time server
Synchronising NT to FreeBSD
Synchronising MacOS to FreeBSD
Further reading
[ Self evident ]
Book 13: X11
Overview
XFree86 / XiG
Window Managers
Useful X applications
Further reading
[ Self evident ]
Book 14: Applications
Overview
Mathematica
Doom
Quake
Further reading
[ For those applications that crop up a lot in -questions, or where someone is
motivated enough to write something. Could probably include StarOffice and
Word Perfect in this list as well. ]
Book 15: Staying up to date with FreeBSD
Overview
- Choosing -current?
- Choosing -stable?
Getting the source
- FTP
- CVSup
- CTM
Updating your system ('make world')
Further reading
[ Mostly based on current Handbook content ]
Book 16: Emulation
Overview
Linux
SCO
DOS
- dosemu
- pcemu
Further reading
[ A reorganisation and addition to current content ]
Book 17: Localisation
Overview
Russian
German
Further reading
[ From the existing Handbook ]
Book 18: Contributing to FreeBSD
Overview
- What is needed?
Bug reports
Documentation
Code
- Source tree guidelines and policies
- Changes to existing code
- New code
- FreeBSD Internals
- Kernel debugging
Application ports
Hardware/architecture ports
Money, hardware, or Internet access
The committers guide
[ From the existing Handbook ]
Appendices
Bibliography
Resources on the Internet
FreeBSD Project Staff
Contributors
- Donors Gallery
- Derived Software Contributors
- Additional FreeBSD Contributors
- 386BSD Patch Kit Contributors
PGP Keys
[ This will, I think, be split up. Most of the new books will need their own
biblios, so that section will probably disappear, as will the "Resources on
the Internet" section. PGP Keys might move to "Security" as well. ]
Thanks for reading this far. There are two more books at the back of my mind
that aren't on that list yet.
The first is the "Doc. Proj. primer". If you take a look at
http://www.freebsd.org/~nik/primer/, that's pretty much what I'm expecting one
of these books to look like[1] (in terms of amount of content, level it's aimed
at, and so on).
The second is the Committers Guide. This might be part of the "Contributing
to FreeBSD" book, or it might be one on its own. I'm not sure yet.
Comments welcomed,
N
[1] Yes, I know I've got to commit the primer to the main tree. After not
staring at it for a couple of months I'm rewriting a few bits that are
either confusing or wrong prior to committing. Expect it by the end of
this week.
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> [1] Do you know you've arrived in the FreeBSD project when people just
> refer to you by your first name?
No, you just know that your first name is still unique enough to make
that even possible. :-)
- Jordan
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On 5 Apr 99, at 23:46, Nik Clayton wrote:
> People seem to be a bit more active on this list recently, so I'm
> reposting something from November last year. Now that the DocBook
> conversion is done I'm looking at this in more detail, and would
> appreciate comments.
I missed the original post as I was on hoilday and unsubscribed. I'm
sorry I missed it back then.
> The Handbook's target audience needs to be understood. The Handbook
> should be catering for the spectrum of people who, at one end, have
> never heard of Unix or FreeBSD before through to those people who are
> very familiar with FreeBSD, but who need a useful reference, or want to
> know as much as possible about a topic they haven't yet covered (for
> example, printing).
This is great! And what Darren was talking about.
> Note that it should be assumed that the reader has at least some OS
> experience. I think it is biting off more than we can chew if we assume
> we need to teach OS basics as well (although that could be a topic for
> another book in the series, which would give the user enough knowledge
> to then move on to some of the others).
That doesn't mean we can't have a newbie section that says here's the
editor, here's the basic commands, etc. One page intro. We are not here
to educate computer novices. Merely FreeBSD novices.
> Here's how I see the new books shaping up. Note that a lot of the
> content doesn't exist yet. My comments are bracketed by '[' and ']'
> after each book.
What I like about it is that each section is *not* self contained. That
allows the author of one section to refer to existing work (e.g. Add the
IPFILTER option to your kernel). It makes the writing much easier. Not
to mention the reading.
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>Number: 10973
>Category: docs
>Synopsis: Patch: Have fsdb(8) man page refer correctly to editline(3)
>Confidential: no
>Severity: non-critical
>Priority: low
>Responsible: freebsd-doc
>State: open
>Quarter:
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>Arrival-Date: Mon Apr 5 18:00:01 PDT 1999
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>Description:
The fsdb(8) man page refers to libedit(3), which doesn't exist, rather
than editline(3).
>How-To-Repeat:
>Fix:
--- fsdb.8.orig Tue Apr 6 01:34:29 1999
+++ fsdb.8 Tue Apr 6 01:32:56 1999
@@ -53,7 +53,7 @@
is the currently selected i-number. The initial selected inode is the
root of the filesystem (i-number 2).
The command processor uses the
-.Xr libedit 3
+.Xr editline 3
library, so you can use command line editing to reduce typing if desired.
When you exit the command loop, the file system superblock is marked
dirty and any buffered blocks are written to the file system.
@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@
.El
.Sh COMMANDS
Besides the built-in
-.Xr libedit 3
+.Xr editline 3
commands,
.Nm
supports these commands:
@@ -208,7 +208,7 @@
Exit the program.
.El
.Sh SEE ALSO
-.Xr libedit 3 ,
+.Xr editline 3 ,
.Xr fs 5 ,
.Xr clri 8 ,
.Xr fsck 8
@@ -221,10 +221,6 @@
There are a bunch of other things that you might want to do which
.Nm
doesn't implement.
-.br
-The
-.Xr libedit 3
-reference page is not yet written.
.Sh HISTORY
.Nm Fsdb
uses the source code for
>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:
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From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami)
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Hi Nik,
Did you get this to build? Mine dies with this:
===
:
gmake[2]: Entering directory `/b/ports/print/teTeX-beta/work/teTeX-0.9/texk/oxdvik'
cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I/b/local/include/w3c-libwww -DHAVE_LIBWWW -DHAVE_WWWLIB_H -DPS_GS -I/usr/X11R6/include -DOmega -I.. -I./.. -O -pipe -c xdvi.c
In file included from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/WWWXML.h:41,
from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/HTInit.h:119,
from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/WWWInit.h:67,
from xdvi.c:94:
/b/local/include/w3c-libwww/HTXML.h:37: xmlparse.h: No such file or directory
:
===
among other things. A simple grep doesn't show an xmlparse.h in any
of the PLISTs in the entire ports tree.
You can find the full log in
http://bento.freebsd.org/~asami/errorlogs/3-latest/teTeX-0.9-981113.log
-W
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In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Apr 1999 20:42:26 PDT."
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:43:21 +0200
From: Bernd Rosauer
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Satoshi Asami:
> Did you get this to build? Mine dies with this:
>
> ===
> :
> gmake[2]: Entering directory `/b/ports/print/teTeX-beta/work/teTeX-0.9/texk/o
xdvik'
> cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I/b/local/include/w3c-libwww -DHAVE_LIBWWW -DHAV
E_WWWLIB_H -DPS_GS -I/usr/X11R6/include -DOmega -I.. -I./.. -O -pipe -c xdvi.c
> In file included from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/WWWXML.h:41,
> from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/HTInit.h:119,
> from /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/WWWInit.h:67,
> from xdvi.c:94:
> /b/local/include/w3c-libwww/HTXML.h:37: xmlparse.h: No such file or directory
> [...]
I would really prefer to not have to touch teTeX-0.9-981113 anymore.
Please wait for my port of teTeX-0.9-RELEASE (or teTeX-1.0, whichever
version number Thomas Esser will prefer to give to teTeX-0.9-non-beta).
This distribution should hit earth really soon now.
-Bernd
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From: Bill Fumerola
To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"
Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Organisation change for the Handbook
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On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> > [1] Do you know you've arrived in the FreeBSD project when people just
> > refer to you by your first name?
>
> No, you just know that your first name is still unique enough to make
> that even possible. :-)
My name is ambiguous even with a first name and last initial. Sigh.
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Bill Fumerola wrote:
> My name is ambiguous even with a first name and last initial. Sigh.
>
Yah, Bill, better always use your last initial or somebody might
associate you with those _other_ Bill's that are giving the name a very
_bad_ reputation... ;-)
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On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Donald Wilde wrote:
> Bill Fumerola wrote:
> > My name is ambiguous even with a first name and last initial. Sigh.
> >
> Yah, Bill, better always use your last initial or somebody might
> associate you with those _other_ Bill's that are giving the name a very
> _bad_ reputation... ;-)
Bill F{umerola,enner} = {billf,fenner}@FreeBSD.org
I have to go full name.
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Right, now that we've distracted people away from the handbook
reorgani[sz]ation, let's give it another go.
I just want to reiterate some of my views from last time, change some,
and add some new ones:
> The basic idea is simple. The Handbook has grown fairly organically, and
> can be reorganised.
Merely because we can do a thing does not mean we must do that thing!
(Bonus points to whoever recognizes the line and the movie.)
But, in this case, the organic development was good in order to pound
out a handbook. Now that we've got a sizeable amount of material, I
agree that it's time to put it into a coherent structure.
> If necessary, people can maintain their own books out of the
> main FreeBSD doc tree, while still maintaining the FreeBSD look and feel and
> integration with the rest of the docs (if they want to, of course).
They better ... or else! :-)
> The Handbook's target audience needs to be understood. The Handbook should
> be catering for the spectrum of people who, at one end, have never heard of
> Unix or FreeBSD before through to those people who are very familiar with
> FreeBSD, but who need a useful reference, or want to know as much as
> possible about a topic they haven't yet covered (for example, printing).
Writing and/or reorganizing for an audience that exists at both ends of
the spectrum is going to be a challenge. Knuth failed to do this
effectively at all in his "TeXBook." We know one approach to avoid, at
least. But is there a decent approach?
> This is likely to yield quite a schizophrenic document unless tackled
> carefully.
Uh, I basically just said that. :-)
> The gist of my proposal is to split the Handbook up in to a number of
> smaller books, containing between 70-150 'pages'. These would then truly be
> *hand*books. Each book should tackle one topic, and not repeat information
> from one of the other books. For example, if a book's topic requires that
> the reader reconfigure their kernel (for example, Firewalls), they should be
> directed to the appropriate part of the "Configuring FreeBSD" book, instead
> of repeating that information there.
I mostly agree. In particular, kernel configuration is one of out
better chapters in the current handbook. Yet some amount of kernel
configuration appears in nearly all the other chapters: in networking on
setting up the kernel with an Ethernet controller; in printing on
setting up the kernel for parallel ports; etc.
I think the terminology is just tripping me up, here: are these really
separate books? Will these be toplevel Docbook "book" elements? I'm
wondering if there exists enough material in each book to warrant a
book, and thence a collection for all of our documentation.
> [ new organization ]
Okay, I'm warming up to the idea now. In particular, "Unix Basics"
ought to be its own book. A Unix expert doesn't need all that extra
material if s/he just wants to know how to install FreeBSD.
Some of the material for "the text console" does exist "off-site." I
remember someone writing a tutorial on setting up fonts, mouse, etc.
Does anyone have the URL?
Finally, don't forget that we'll need a separate book that's a compiled
index to the whole collection.
Best,
--Sean
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The following reply was made to PR docs/10182; it has been noted by GNATS.
From: Tom Hukins
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
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Subject: Re: docs/10182: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=5038
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:48:31 +0100
Anders Nordby wrote:
> Why is there a HTML link inside the uuencoded data on this page?
> It seems you're parsing text with a # and a number after it as a
> HTML-link, which isn't very good for encoded data like that. ;)
This is due to the PR reference matching regexp in query-pr.cgi.
Line 206 of query-pr.cgi begins:
$line =~ s%(\WPR[:s# \t]+)([a-z386]+\/)?([0-9]+)
The uuencoded text contains the string PR#63, which query-pr.cgi
assumes is a reference to another PR.
The script could be modified to ignore uuencoded data, but the
problem would still occur if someone includes the string PR#63 or
similar in a patch, for example.
I suggest the best way to fix this might be for query-pr.cgi to have
an "as_text" option which doesn't do any special parsing of PRs.
Tom
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The following reply was made to PR docs/10099; it has been noted by GNATS.
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Subject: Re: docs/10099: Building the Web site without a local CVS repository
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:41:29 +0100
On Sun, Feb 14, 1999 at 06:12:51PM -0000, I wrote:
>
> The build process for the FreeBSD Web site relies on a copy of the
> CVS repository. However, the data extracted will also be present on
> machines which use CVSup to collect the ports tree.
There have been some changes to the Web site recently. I have
updated my patch accordingly.
I have been using this patch successfully for almost 2 months now.
Is there any chance it might being committed soon?
Regards,
Tom
--- en/copyright/Makefile.orig Sat Oct 17 11:18:42 1998
+++ en/copyright/Makefile Sun Feb 14 18:00:47 1999
@@ -16,7 +16,12 @@
# FreeBSD Ports redistribution restrictions
LEGAL= LEGAL
CLEANFILES+= ${LEGAL}
+.if defined(NOCVS)
+${LEGAL}: $${PORTSBASE}/ports/LEGAL
+ cp ${PORTSBASE}/ports/LEGAL LEGAL
+.else
${LEGAL}: $${CVSROOT}/ports/LEGAL,v
co -q -p ${.ALLSRC} > ${.TARGET}
+.endif
.include "../web.mk"
--- en/web.mk.orig Sun Oct 4 14:25:30 1998
+++ en/web.mk Sun Feb 14 17:55:21 1999
@@ -43,6 +43,11 @@
COPY= -C
+#
+# Where the ports live, if CVS isn't used (ie. NOCVS is defined)
+#
+PORTSBASE?= /usr
+
##################################################################
# Transformation rules
--- en/ports/Makefile.orig Sun Mar 14 14:41:31 1999
+++ en/ports/Makefile Tue Apr 6 16:14:36 1999
@@ -24,6 +24,16 @@
cvswww= $${CVSROOT}/${PWWW},v
_ALLINSTALL= packages.exists ${INDEX} ${Y2K} ${WWW}
+.if defined(NOCVS)
+${INDEX}: $${PORTSBASE}/${PINDEX}
+ cp ${PORTSBASE}/${PINDEX} ${INDEX}
+
+${Y2K}: $${PORTSBASE}/${PY2K}
+ cp ${PORTSBASE}/${PY2K} ${Y2K}
+
+${WWW}: $${PORTSBASE}/${PWWW}
+ cp ${PORTSBASE}/${PWWW} ${WWW}
+.else
${INDEX}: ${cvsindex}
cvs -QR co -p ${PINDEX} > ${INDEX}
@@ -32,12 +42,17 @@
${WWW}: ${cvswww}
cvs -QR co -p ${PWWW} > ${WWW}
+.endif
# build the list of available packages only on the
# main FreeBSD machines
hostname!= hostname
+.if defined(NOCVS)
+packages.exists:
+.else
packages.exists: ${cvsindex} ${cvsy2k} ${cvswww}
+.endif
.if ${hostname} == "hub.freebsd.org" || ${hostname} == "freefall.freebsd.org"
sh ${.CURDIR}/packages > ${.TARGET}
.else
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From: Duncan Barclay
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On 05-Apr-99 Nik Clayton wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> People seem to be a bit more active on this list recently, so I'm reposting
> something from November last year. Now that the DocBook conversion is
> done I'm looking at this in more detail, and would appreciate comments.
>
> Sean Kelly, Jordan, Eivind, and Sue Blake[1] will recognise some of this.
>
> Also, this is long, sorry about that.
>
> N
[books removed...]
Minor nits - no exim in the MTAs and Usenet completely missing (shameless plug -
inn primer/setup stuff is available from http://www.ragnet.demon.co.uk/mynews/
and I'm happy to work on it so that it fits your new handbook framework.)
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In trying to establish the tools to be able to understand and work with
you guys, I set out to install DocProj-1.0. Failing the first time, I
saw Nik's note about teTeX-beta, so I went back and removed my old
teTeX. Unfortunately, the new one bombs. There's one 'error 1' in the
make, but it doesn't "Stop." when I tried to reproduce it, the make
doesn't report any errors. Make install, however, bombs, and I'm not
sure why. I'm trying again.
My system is 3.1-STABLE as of about 2 weeks ago. (#5 Sun March 21)
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The make error is:
gmake[2]: *** [xdvi.o] Error 1.
followed by two 'leaving directory' entries. Mean anything to anybody?
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