From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 0:43:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C431513F for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:43:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40331>; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:30:42 +1000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:43:00 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: P-II vs K6-2 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). (Please copy me on any responses). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 0:45:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675B614C3F for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:45:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16742; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA26509; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Peter Jeremy Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:43:00 +1000." <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:44:49 +0100 Message-ID: <26507.921573889@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy writes : >I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. > >Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 >processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 >because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). I have a couple of k6-2 systems running and are very happy with them, I don't see much reason to spend the extra money unless I want SMP. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 1: 2:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from macbeth.cnmnetwork.com (macbeth.cnmnetwork.com [209.79.28.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A2E9150FE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com) Received: (qmail 7400 invoked from network); 16 Mar 1999 01:02:35 -0800 Received: from 209-79-252-30.max-tnt-04.wla.ca.us.cnmnetwork.com (HELO develop1) (209.79.252.30) by macbeth.cnmnetwork.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 1999 01:02:35 -0800 From: "Rudy Gireyev" To: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:03:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Reply-To: rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:43:00 +1000." <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> In-reply-to: <26507.921573889@critter.freebsd.dk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990316090245.6A2E9150FE@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy writes > : > >I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. > > > >Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 > >processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 > >because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). Without knowing what the system is going to be used for? > I have a couple of k6-2 systems running and are very happy with them, > I don't see much reason to spend the extra money unless I want SMP. Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 1: 2:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from macbeth.cnmnetwork.com (macbeth.cnmnetwork.com [209.79.28.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C990150F1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:02:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com) Received: (qmail 7400 invoked from network); 16 Mar 1999 01:02:35 -0800 Received: from 209-79-252-30.max-tnt-04.wla.ca.us.cnmnetwork.com (HELO develop1) (209.79.252.30) by macbeth.cnmnetwork.com with SMTP; 16 Mar 1999 01:02:35 -0800 From: "Rudy Gireyev" To: Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:03:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Reply-To: rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG References: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:43:00 +1000." <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au> In-reply-to: <26507.921573889@critter.freebsd.dk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990316090245.4C990150F1@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy writes > : > >I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. > > > >Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 > >processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 > >because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). Without knowing what the system is going to be used for? > I have a couple of k6-2 systems running and are very happy with them, > I don't see much reason to spend the extra money unless I want SMP. Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 1:10: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F729151AB for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:09:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18865; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:09:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA26658; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:09:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: rgireyev@cnmnetwork.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 01:03:48 PST." <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:09:12 +0100 Message-ID: <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk>, "Rudy Gireyev" writes: >> In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy writes >> : >> >I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. >> > >> >Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 >> >processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 >> >because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). > >Without knowing what the system is going to be used for? > >> I have a couple of k6-2 systems running and are very happy with them, >> I don't see much reason to spend the extra money unless I want SMP. > >Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) No, they're almost twice as expensive for the same performance... -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 6:48:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ice.cold.org (cold.org [206.81.134.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31AF15582 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:48:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brandon@ice.cold.org) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by ice.cold.org (8.8.8/8.8.5) id HAA23734; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:48:18 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:48:18 -0700 From: Brandon Gillespie To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Message-ID: <19990316074818.A23561@ice.cold.org> References: <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk> <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk>; from Poul-Henning Kamp on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:09:12AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.roguetrader.com/~brandon/brandon@roguetrader_com.pubkey Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:09:12AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk>, "Rudy Gireyev" w= rites: >>> In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jerem= y writes >>> : >>>>I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. >>>> >>>>Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 >>>>processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 >>>>because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). >> >>Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) >=20 > No, they're almost twice as expensive for the same performance... Not the same performance, nor are they twice as expensive (almost or not)... Performance wise, Celeron runs its cache at full CPU speed--not the Bus Speed (usually around 100Mhz now). Plus you can trivially overclock it to 467Mhz (this is what I've done). The Intel BX motherboard costs a mighty $30 more on the average than the VIA or Alladin equivalent boards (I wont go into the arguments why it is better). The CPU costs are pretty much exactly the same (K6-2/333 is the same as a Celeron 333 on the site I just checked). So for $30 more you can get an Intel chipset, run the Celeron overclocked at whatever you want, with full cache speed (to whatever you overclock). That is about $230 vs $200. The Celeron may have less cache overall, but its running anywhere from 3 to nearly 5 times faster than the K6 would be. Actually, I will comment on performance. I'm a part owner of a local PC chop shop. We repair computers all over (businesses primarily), and based simply off our experience we will never install anything but Intel chipsets. The others are problematic, drivers are buggy and in the long run we have had too many problems with them. I cannot back this up with anything other than pure experience. The systems which are intel based run cleaner and better than those which are not. This is based on wintel machines. I personally would love to see somebody bump the intel monpoly, but currently intel holds the top position in quality and performance. K6-3 does help quite a bit with this, and the K7 (if it turns out like they are saying) probably WILL do it. But for now, you have the celeron. So my suggestion? Get an ASUS P2B with a Celeron 300A (if you still can) and overclock it to 467Mhz. Its what I've done at home, it rocks, I love it, and will probably be building another system just like it for my development box. -Brandon --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 5zADNDDgw4qDuM+uR/kELcPZw+XfrsVC iQA/AwUBNu5vMUv5XoQiMgn6EQIYPwCgnHyCSQwtjzL6m0OaooGv7Gfk4QUAoPbl wUM1Q2hfRraJM/TROnZeTiPV =u0GO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IJpNTDwzlM2Ie8A6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 7:27:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014B0152E0 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:26:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tim@futuresouth.com) Received: (from tim@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14275 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:26:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:26:12 -0600 From: Tim Tsai To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: any support for FC-AL controllers? Message-ID: <19990316092612.A14168@futuresouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is there any support for *any* Fibre Channel controllers? Thanks! Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 8:50: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24FD1540E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id JAA26335; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:49:38 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199903161649.JAA26335@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: any support for FC-AL controllers? In-Reply-To: <19990316092612.A14168@futuresouth.com> from Tim Tsai at "Mar 16, 1999 9:26:12 am" To: tim@futuresouth.com (Tim Tsai) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:49:38 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tim Tsai wrote... > Is there any support for *any* Fibre Channel controllers? Yes. The QLogic 2100 is supported. Ask mjacob@feral.com if you have any more questions about that card. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 11:43:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DD31551E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:43:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from gizmo (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17920 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:43:22 GMT (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:57 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 In-Reply-To: <19990316074818.A23561@ice.cold.org> References: <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk> <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:48 AM 3/16/99 -0700, you wrote: >On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:09:12AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> In message <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk>, "Rudy Gireyev" writes: >>>> In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter Jeremy writes >>>> : >>>>>I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. >>>>> >>>>>Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 >>>>>processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 >>>>>because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). >>> >>>Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) >> >> No, they're almost twice as expensive for the same performance... > >Not the same performance, nor are they twice as expensive (almost or >not)... > >Performance wise, Celeron runs its cache at full CPU speed--not the Bus >Speed (usually around 100Mhz now). Plus you can trivially overclock >it to 467Mhz (this is what I've done). The Intel BX motherboard costs >a mighty $30 more on the average than the VIA or Alladin equivalent >boards (I wont go into the arguments why it is better). The CPU costs >are pretty much exactly the same (K6-2/333 is the same as a Celeron >333 on the site I just checked). > [snipped rest of post] I must also defend the Celery 450A :) I would pretty much have to agree with Brandon here. If I were building a new computer for myself I would think Celeron before anything else. The new ones (300A and above, both PPGA and slot-1 types) built on the Mendecino core are an incredible value. I would say that >= 85% of them can run at 450MHz, sometimes beyond. Now remember that the multiplier on these chips are locked, like all Intel chips have been for the past few years (since the 166MMX days), so one is left with the nearly perfect solution of buying a Celeron made to run at a 66MHz bus and simply cranking it up to 100MHz, hence using a 3x PCI clock divider. This means all your PCI cards, AGP card, etc etc. are still perfectly within spec. Since the Mendocino core seems easily capable of running 450MHz, but 500MHz is less common, the best choice you can make is to get a Celeron 300A (66x4.5) and run it at 450MHz (100x4.5). The OEM 300A is currently available for $60-$70 from various places, but you'd also need to buy a decent fan to put on it. Retail versions cost more but you get the fan included, and some say they are more overclockable as well. Oh - and Malaysian chips are better than Costa-Rican chips. The L2 cache on the Celly's does, as Brandon said, run at full core speed. So forget the people that laugh at the Celeron because it only has a puny 128KB of L2. A 450MHz Celeron's L2 is running at 450MHz, whereas a 450MHz Pentium-II's cache is running at 225MHz (real P2's run it at half core speed, not bus speed as some people think), and a 450MHz K6-2's cache is running at 100MHz (assuming a Super-7 board). And if you're so inclined, Abit just released some BIOS images that let you tweak the timings of the L2 cache as well. For motherboards, there is IMO only one question to ask yourself. If you are not trying to run SMP, then go with an Abit board. The BH-6 is the all time favorite in this area, but the newer BX6-2 might also be worth a look. I personally don't like the Asus boards, they seem to always have BIOS compatibility problems or are not quite as stable as the Abit boards. (No flames please, it's just my opinion) If you do want to run SMP (and yes the Celly's can do this, you should just get the PPGA version and some slotkits, and get out the ol' soldering iron :) I'm not really sure what the best dual CPU board would be, but I think http://www.bxboards.com was gonna do a review. Oh, and I also believe the Intel chipsets to be superior. Go with a BX chipset board and you will be happy. I'll admit that this solution isn't for everybody. You are not guaranteed that your 300A will do 450MHz (but for the price of them, if it doesn't you can buy another one!) but most do. You _might_ have to increase the voltage a tenth or two to make it stable (mine is running at 2.1v). But, if your luck is as good as all the other people running 450A's (as we call em) you will have a system every bit as fast as a real P2-450 for a fraction of the cost. And it is a real P2 core, so you can compile your kernel with 686 optimizations if you like. And even if you DON'T overclock, the Celeron's are STILL a good value. You will still have something that beats the pants off that 486 and will happily accept a faster Slot-1 chip in the future. IMO Shopping list should include: Intel Celeron 300A (either get the retail or buy a seperate fan) Abit BH-6 or BX6-2 motherboard Inwin A-500 ATX midtower case (if you need an ATX case) 64MB of PC100 (beware some stuff marked PC100 is NOT PC100) Well, if you are interested in going with a Celery, go read http://www.bxboards.com and surf the newsgroups ala http://www.dejanews.com . If not, well, maybe someone will gain some info from this rather longwinded post of mine. My $.02 and then some, Tom Embt ICQ UIN: 11245398 tom@embt.com d:-)> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Windows 98: n. Minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 13:19: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from www1.asacomputers.com (unknown [204.153.176.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3BB14EBE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Received: from kedar.asacomputers.com (kedar.asacomputers.com [204.153.176.86]) by www1.asacomputers.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA07178 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:27:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kedar@asacomputers.com) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19990316211406.019e2a00@gw1> X-Sender: rajadnya@gw1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:14:06 -0800 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kedar Rajadnya Subject: Recommendations/alpha hardware? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Does anybody have any recommendations for alpha hardware for 3.1? Good, bad, should not touch? TIA, Kedar. Take care, Kedar Rajadnya. ASA Computers, Inc. 200 East Trimble Road. San Jose, CA 95131. TEL: (408)232-5999 ext201 CELL: (408)799-7263 FAX:(408)232-5959 ****************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 15:13:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210ED151C8 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id JAA17388 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:15 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id JAA68903 for freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:14 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990317094313.I429@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:13 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: ADR tape drives? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've just been pointed at OnStream's ADR drives (http://www.onstream.com/server/index.html). Does anybody know anything about them? What would we need to get the IDE/ATAPI version working? Any known problems with the SCSI versions? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 15:23:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D015173 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:23:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com (srmail.sr.hp.com [15.4.45.14]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id PAA28905; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:23:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA077576576; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:22:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id PAA07831; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:22:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903162322.PAA07831@mina.sr.hp.com> To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: ADR tape drives? Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:13 +1030." <19990317094313.I429@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.1.1.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:22:55 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > I've just been pointed at OnStream's ADR drives > (http://www.onstream.com/server/index.html). Does anybody know > anything about them? What would we need to get the IDE/ATAPI version > working? Any known problems with the SCSI versions? Just FYI, their FAQ says that Linux IDE drivers are in the works (by Linux developers, not OnStream). Perhaps these can be leveraged for FreeBSD? -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 15:36:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lternet.lternet.edu (lternet.lternet.edu [129.24.70.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77E5150C1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:36:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colinj@lternet.edu) Received: from colinj (helo=localhost) by lternet.lternet.edu with local-esmtp (Exim 2.10 #3) id 10N3Qw-0000lt-00 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:39:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:39:38 -0700 (MST) From: Colin Eric Johnson To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 1460 / PCMCIA SCSI Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently obtained an Adaptec 1460 card and hoped to use it with my laptop running 3.1-STABLE. Well, as I'm sure folks know, the support for the Adaptec 6360 based cards (and the 1460 is one of them) has fallen by the wayside. I did just check the handbook recently and it does list support for the AIC device and I have heard rumor on other threads that someone might be working on bringing the AIC driver back into the fold. Can anyone verify this? Or would the person that may or may not be working on this like to speak up and let us know what the status on this is? I'd really like to be able to get SCSI devices attached to my notebook (like my Zip drive). Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 15:41:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A06B14C2E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:41:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id QAA28774; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:40:59 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199903162340.QAA28774@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec 1460 / PCMCIA SCSI In-Reply-To: from Colin Eric Johnson at "Mar 16, 1999 4:39:38 pm" To: colinj@lternet.edu (Colin Eric Johnson) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:40:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Colin Eric Johnson wrote... > > I recently obtained an Adaptec 1460 card and hoped to use it with my > laptop running 3.1-STABLE. Well, as I'm sure folks know, the support for > the Adaptec 6360 based cards (and the 1460 is one of them) has fallen by > the wayside. I did just check the handbook recently and it does list > support for the AIC device and I have heard rumor on other threads that > someone might be working on bringing the AIC driver back into the fold. > > Can anyone verify this? Or would the person that may or may not be working > on this like to speak up and let us know what the status on this is? > > I'd really like to be able to get SCSI devices attached to my notebook > (like my Zip drive). I wouldn't count on having it work any time soon. The handbook isn't entirely accurate in describing SCSI hardware support. The guy working on it is Brian Beattie . Mail him if you want a status update. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 17: 2:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD3615015 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:00:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA18039; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:30:33 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA69154; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:30:32 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990317113030.P429@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:30:30 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Tom Embt , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 References: <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk> <26656.921575352@critter.freebsd.dk> <19990316074818.A23561@ice.cold.org> <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com>; from Tom Embt on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 02:44:57PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 14:44:57 -0500, Tom Embt wrote: > At 07:48 AM 3/16/99 -0700, you wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:09:12AM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >>> In message <199903160902.KAA23875@cicero1.cybercity.dk>, "Rudy Gireyev" > writes: >>>>> In message <99Mar16.183042est.40331@border.alcanet.com.au>, Peter > Jeremy writes >>>>> : >>>>>> I'm looking at buying a new system to augment my aging 486DX2-50. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would anyone like to comment on either a Tekram P5MVP-B4 with a K6-2 >>>>>> processor, or a Tekram BX-series with a P-II? (I prefer the K6-2 >>>>>> because I see no reason to support Intel's virtual monopoly). >>>> >>>> Then surely you've looked at buying Celerons first, right? :-) >>> >>> No, they're almost twice as expensive for the same performance... >> >> Not the same performance, nor are they twice as expensive (almost or >> not)... >> >> Performance wise, Celeron runs its cache at full CPU speed--not the Bus >> Speed (usually around 100Mhz now). Plus you can trivially overclock >> it to 467Mhz (this is what I've done). > > [snipped rest of post] > > I must also defend the Celery 450A :) > ... > > The L2 cache on the Celly's does, as Brandon said, run at full core speed. > So forget the people that laugh at the Celeron because it only has a puny > 128KB of L2. A 450MHz Celeron's L2 is running at 450MHz, whereas a 450MHz > Pentium-II's cache is running at 225MHz (real P2's run it at half core > speed, not bus speed as some people think), and a 450MHz K6-2's cache is > running at 100MHz (assuming a Super-7 board). And if you're so inclined, > Abit just released some BIOS images that let you tweak the timings of the > L2 cache as well. Whether you get better performance out of a small, fast L2 cache or a larger, slower one depends entirely on the application. It would be really interesting to see some figures here instead of theory. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 17:38:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jetsam.com (flotsam.jetsam.com [205.179.180.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A125C14C31 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paulo@jetsam.com) Received: from zen.jetsam.com (zen.jetsam.com [10.10.10.1]) by jetsam.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09147 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Orr Received: (from paulo@localhost) by zen.jetsam.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) id RAA02395 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:38:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:38:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903170138.RAA02395@zen.jetsam.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: UltraIDE Pro PCI card from SIIG Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have the above card installed. I had a different card for the initial install and it went off okay. This new card doesn't seem to be detectable though. I don't know what device to use on it either. What's funny is that the boot goes off okay until it starts doing the rc and fstab stuff. Any ideas as to what driver or kernel change I should make? Thanks. Paul Orr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 17:48:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tasam.com (tasam.com [209.219.168.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B6514E7A for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clash@tasam.com) Received: from bug (bug.tasam.com [205.252.239.241]) by tasam.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA04471; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:48:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005b01be7018$3e2d3a30$f1effccd@bug.tasam.com> From: "Joe Gleason" To: "Paul Orr" , Subject: Re: UltraIDE Pro PCI card from SIIG Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:48:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can you give us the dmesg output? > >I have the above card installed. I had a different card for >the initial install and it went off okay. This new card doesn't >seem to be detectable though. I don't know what device to use >on it either. What's funny is that the boot goes off okay until >it starts doing the rc and fstab stuff. Any ideas as to what >driver or kernel change I should make? > >Thanks. > >Paul Orr > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 17:49:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.com (unknown [209.84.70.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBD3515260 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:49:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id PAA16490; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:48:28 -1000 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:48:28 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199903170148.PAA16490@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Greg Lehey "Re: P-II vs K6-2" (Mar 17, 11:30am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } } Whether you get better performance out of a small, fast L2 cache or a } larger, slower one depends entirely on the application. It would be } really interesting to see some figures here instead of theory. } } Greg } -- Don't forget to define `small'. I don't consider 64MB to be small. The old rule of thumb used to be that 64MB is enough for 80% hit rate, on average. Diminishing returns come pretty quickly after that. How big is the Celeron cache? Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 21: 9:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.242]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7224A152BE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrylo@sr.hp.com) Received: from hpmwtd.sr.hp.com (hpmwtd.sr.hp.com [15.4.40.3]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id VAA15842 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:09:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpmwtd.sr.hp.com with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA186727347; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:09:07 -0800 Received: from localhost (darrylo@mina.sr.hp.com [15.4.42.247]) by mina.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (8.8.6 (PHNE_14041)/8.7.3 TIS 5.0) id VAA09660 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:09:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903170509.VAA09660@mina.sr.hp.com> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:57 EST." <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.1.1.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:09:06 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Embt wrote: > The BH-6 is the all > time favorite in this area, but the newer BX6-2 might also be worth a > look. I'll second the BH6. It's a good board for overclocking, as it's a jumperless motherboard; you can change bus speed, multiplier, and even CPU voltage from the BIOS setup menus (other motherboards require you to open the case and fiddle with jumpers, if they even allow you to change these at all). [ NOTE: if you overclock, don't bother to report any problems with FreeBSD unless you can reproduce them WITHOUT overclocking. ] > If you do want to run SMP (and yes > the Celly's can do this, you should just get the PPGA version and some > slotkits, and get out the ol' soldering iron :) If you're hardware-oriented, this is a good way to go. You'll need a very fine-tipped soldering iron and some kind of magnifier (a stereo microscope is good). Check out "http://www.cpu-central.com" for more information. One issue with dual Celerons (non-overclocked) is that Celerons run at a 66MHz FSB bus speed, compared with the 100MHz FSB of 350MHz and up PIIs. I haven't done any tests, but it would be interesting to see how much the different FSB speeds affect SMP when all CPUs are constantly accessing main memory. > I'm not really sure what > the best dual CPU board would be, but I think http://www.bxboards.com was > gonna do a review. Oh, and I also believe the Intel chipsets to be > superior. Go with a BX chipset board and you will be happy. I'm using a Gigabyte 6BXDS motherboard (dual CPU, BX chipset, with 7895 F/W SCSI) with 3.1-RELEASE, and it's working well. You do need to have the absolute latest BIOS, though, if you want to use Celerons; if you don't, you'll have to borrow a PII CPU to flash the BIOS. The 6BXDS only has F/W and narrow SCSI, though: no LVD. Best of all, the 6BXDS is fairly inexpensive for a BX dual-CPU slot1 motherboard, but it's difficult to find (I paid under US$240). However, the 6BXD (the same motherboard, but without on-board SCSI) is still easily found (under US$160); I imagine it may have the same issues with Celerons and BIOS, though. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 22:36:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0D514C0C for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:36:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03357; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903170630.WAA03357@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Greg Lehey Cc: FreeBSD hardware Users Subject: Re: ADR tape drives? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:43:13 +1030." <19990317094313.I429@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:30:06 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would hope that they work out of the box; I'm waiting to hear back from Onstream, who promised us evaluation units after Linuxworld. > I've just been pointed at OnStream's ADR drives > (http://www.onstream.com/server/index.html). Does anybody know > anything about them? What would we need to get the IDE/ATAPI version > working? Any known problems with the SCSI versions? > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 16 22:39:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.gfit.net (ns.gfit.net [209.41.124.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F105F150AF for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:38:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Received: from gizmo (timembt.iinc.com [206.67.169.229]) by mercury.gfit.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA22786 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 06:38:47 GMT (envelope-from tom@embt.com) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990317014025.006ffd90@mail.embt.com> X-Sender: tembt@mail.embt.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:40:25 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Tom Embt Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Whether you get better performance out of a small, fast L2 cache or a >larger, slower one depends entirely on the application. It would be >really interesting to see some figures here instead of theory. > >Greg This would be a fun area to do some benchmarking in. I think a few people have said that certain 3D first person shooter games under Win95 benefitted from the faster, but smaller, cache of the Celeron. I would not be surprised, however, if the big slow cache of a real P2 held a slight edge in an environment with lots of separate threads each doing, say, compiling or something. Anybody care to run some tests? (I don't have a P2-anything) Tom Embt ICQ UIN: 11245398 tom@embt.com d:-)> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 1:21:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alcanet.com.au (border.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF3314C46 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:21:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@auss2.alcatel.com.au) Received: by border.alcanet.com.au id <40365>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:09:00 +1000 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:21:20 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 To: richard@pegasus.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <99Mar17.190900est.40365@border.alcanet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) wrote: [The Celeron has a small, fast cache compared to the P-II] >I don't consider 64MB to be small. What are you using that has a 64M L2 cache? The biggest I've seen is 4M (on DEC Alpha's) - though I believe some of the newest Alpha CPU modules have 8M. > The old rule of thumb used to be >that 64MB is enough for 80% hit rate, on average. Hit rates vary widely with application, so `average' is very rubbery. >Diminishing returns come pretty quickly after that. Note that a small increase in hit-rate can translate to a large increase in performance. If a main-memory fetch takes 10 ticks and a cache fetch 1 tick, an `average' fetch takes 2.8 ticks with 80% hit rate and 2.35 ticks at 85% hit-rate - close to 20% better performance. (Anyone who has real figures for a normal IA-32 memory hierarchy can feel free to supply realistic numbers). >How big is the Celeron cache? 128K AFAIK. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 4: 4:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.com (unknown [209.84.70.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 008A2154F5 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:04:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richard@pegasus.com) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id CAA17743; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:03:44 -1001 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:03:44 -1001 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199903171204.CAA17743@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Peter Jeremy "Re: P-II vs K6-2" (Mar 17, 7:21pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org } richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) wrote: } [The Celeron has a small, fast cache compared to the P-II] } >I don't consider 64MB to be small. } What are you using that has a 64M L2 cache? The biggest I've } seen is 4M (on DEC Alpha's) - though I believe some of the newest } Alpha CPU modules have 8M. Oops. Sorry about that. Make that 64KB not 64MB. Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 9:31: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sierrahill.com (unknown [209.198.135.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5245152CE for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:30:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjoe@sierrahill.com) Received: (from rjoe@localhost) by sierrahill.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA05477 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjoe) From: Joe Schwartz Message-Id: <199903171734.LAA05477@sierrahill.com> Subject: file system size To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:34:45 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, When installing FreeBSD 3.1: Is there a limit of 1024 Mb on the first partition? What is the maximum partition size? I need to make large file systems for e-mail and web caching. I have a couple of 9Gb disks ... can I have 9Gb partitions? If I cannot have files systems beyond 2 Gb, is there a way to concatinate them together. Thanks, Joe S. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 11:10: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web4-1.ability.net (web4-1.ability.net [216.32.69.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700F114BF1 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rich@f2sys.net) Received: from ppp-rich.ari.net (rich@ppp-rich.ari.net [198.69.193.148]) by web4-1.ability.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Pub) with SMTP id NAA29145 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:58:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:11:05 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Fox X-Sender: rich@ppp-rich.ari.net Reply-To: Rich Fox To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: USB support - (again) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Now that the retail vendors in my area all sell USB motherboards, (and little else), I am trying to find out which USB keyboards/mice are supported. I searched the archives and the messages that I was able to sort out that actually pertained to USB, were written a while ago (may 98), before there was any USB support. The back of my 3.1 distribution package says that *some* keyboards and mice are supported, but neither the release notes nor the hardware list appear to address this. Also, since this is for a machine that I am building, will it matter which motherboard I use, if I opt to go with USB, (assuming it is indeed supported in 3.1)? Thanks, Rich. | rich fox | rich@f2sys.net | 1513 N. Rhodes St. #1 | Arlington, VA 22209 | t:703.528.9616 | f:703.329.2314 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 15:46:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from george.lbl.gov (george.lbl.gov [131.243.2.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEDA91516D; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jin@george.lbl.gov) Received: (from jin@localhost) by george.lbl.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA22943; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:46:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903172346.PAA22943@george.lbl.gov> From: jin@george.lbl.gov To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: CD-R for cd-write-1.4 Cc: questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has someone used cd-write (cd-write-1.4 under 2.2.8-RELEASE)? This cd-write package comes with the executable only: pkg_info -L cd-write-1.4 Information for cd-write-1.4: Files: /usr/local/bin/cd-write /usr/local/bin/cd-write -help Can't initialize the Tix extension. Without any document, it is hard to know what CD-R or CD-W can be used under this software. Would someone please tell me what brand the CD-R/W can be used under this program? or Is there other CD-write program is available for FreeBSD? Thanks, -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 17:14:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.plutotech.com (panzer.plutotech.com [206.168.67.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439F11532C; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:14:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.plutotech.com) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.plutotech.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) id SAA36017; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:14:05 -0700 (MST) From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199903180114.SAA36017@panzer.plutotech.com> Subject: Re: CD-R for cd-write-1.4 In-Reply-To: <199903172346.PAA22943@george.lbl.gov> from "jin@george.lbl.gov" at "Mar 17, 1999 3:46:15 pm" To: jin@george.lbl.gov Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:14:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jin@george.lbl.gov wrote... > Has someone used cd-write (cd-write-1.4 under 2.2.8-RELEASE)? > This cd-write package comes with the executable only: > > pkg_info -L cd-write-1.4 > Information for cd-write-1.4: > > Files: > /usr/local/bin/cd-write > > /usr/local/bin/cd-write -help > Can't initialize the Tix extension. > > > Without any document, it is hard to know what CD-R or CD-W can be used > under this software. Would someone please tell me what brand the CD-R/W > can be used under this program? or Is there other CD-write program is > available for FreeBSD? Try using cdrecord. /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 21: 5:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ayukawa.aus.org (ayukawa.aus.org [199.166.246.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3713D14CE9 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:05:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lh@aus.org) Received: from zer0.net (lh@PHOENIX.ZER0.NET [199.166.246.189]) by ayukawa.aus.org (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24216 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:04:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199903180504.AAA24216@ayukawa.aus.org> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3-beta-042198 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990317113030.P429@lemis.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:04:49 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: lh@aus.org From: Luke To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This Is somewhat aside, but I have used many K5's with FreeBSD and found having flags 0x7 on npx0 to be better, I was wondering which flags would be best on a K6-2 also whether its better to have the *WT_ALLOC kernel option on? p.s. a k6-2 300 is about 100$ here, a celeron 300 is more than double. - -- E-Mail: Luke Sent by XFMail - ---------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNvCJcB8Qu3OCfndzEQI2QgCdHLPvBWFEYDkbzV6l3swt3lPv2FgAoJ0A XV38lCyry8kIaH7IiwDDH6j7 =YV+m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 17 21:50:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ren.detir.qld.gov.au (ns.detir.qld.gov.au [203.46.81.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF9B15403 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:50:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au) Received: by ren.detir.qld.gov.au; id PAA18782; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from ogre.detir.qld.gov.au(167.123.8.3) by ren.detir.qld.gov.au via smap (3.2) id xma018776; Thu, 18 Mar 99 15:50:08 +1000 Received: from atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (atlas.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.8.9]) by ogre.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29737; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (nymph.detir.qld.gov.au [167.123.10.10]) by atlas.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15836; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:07 +1000 (EST) Received: from nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (localhost.detir.qld.gov.au [127.0.0.1]) by nymph.detir.qld.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21032; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from syssgm@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au) Message-Id: <199903180550.PAA21032@nymph.detir.qld.gov.au> To: Tom Embt Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, syssgm@detir.qld.gov.au Subject: Re: P-II vs K6-2 References: <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19990316144457.0070c540@mail.embt.com> from Tom Embt at "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:44:57 -0500" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:50:05 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 16th March 1999, Tom Embt wrote: >IMO Shopping list should include: > Intel Celeron 300A (either get the retail or buy a seperate fan) > Abit BH-6 or BX6-2 motherboard > Inwin A-500 ATX midtower case (if you need an ATX case) > 64MB of PC100 (beware some stuff marked PC100 is NOT PC100) Although I agree with everything you have written (from a performance and value for money point of view), I still buy AMD chips for political reasons. Strange, but true. I just think that Intel are being complete bastards, and that AMD chips are cheap enough (compared to eating, house payments and running a car) and work well enough that I can buy them just to spite Intel. When the K7 comes out, I might not even have to pick the poor performer to do so. FreeBSD runs fine, and I also can attest to many enjoyable wasted hours playing Half-Life. :-) Stephen. PS Further discussion of this aspect (if any) should probably move to -chat. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 18 4:47:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from bihp1.bi.bau.tu-bs.de (bihp1.bi.bau.tu-bs.de [134.169.82.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FC114E4F for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 04:47:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from werner@bi.bau.tu-bs.de) Received: from pirx.bi.bau.tu-bs.de (pirx.bi.bau.tu-bs.de [134.169.82.80]) by bihp1.bi.bau.tu-bs.de (8.7.3/8.7.3/0.03) with ESMTP id NAA08372; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:47:12 +0100 (MET) From: David Werner Received: (from werner@localhost) by pirx.bi.bau.tu-bs.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA25441; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:47:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:47:12 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <199903181247.NAA25441@pirx.bi.bau.tu-bs.de> To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CD-R for cd-write-1.4 Newsgroups: list.freebsd-hardware References: <7cpfbt$96c$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.3 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In list.freebsd-hardware you write: >Without any document, it is hard to know what CD-R or CD-W can be used >under this software. Would someone please tell me what brand the CD-R/W >can be used under this program? or Is there other CD-write program is >available for FreeBSD? There is also cdrecord. It seems to me well programmed and documented. Its available for many unix-versions, although I have not used it under FreeBSD. Since cd recording programs need relative low level scsi access it can sometimes a little pain to get a tool working. Regards, David >Thanks, > -Jin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 18 8:39:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from callisto.geotec.net (callisto.geotec.net [208.244.246.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACC14C4F for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:39:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@geotec.net) Received: from TOJ.org (cas-tul-brks-1-247-98.geotec.net [208.244.247.98]) by callisto.geotec.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-58476U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:50:08 -0600 Received: (from tom@localhost) by TOJ.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA11897; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:13:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tom) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:12:36 -0600 From: tom@geotec.net (Tom Jackson) To: Greg Lehey Cc: Cory Kempf , mjacob@feral.com, Tom Jackson , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Have PDP Message-ID: <19990318101236.A11872@peeper.TOJ.org> References: <5fpv6pqkzz.fsf@singularity.enigami.com> <19990306091805.Z490@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990306091805.Z490@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 09:18:05AM +1030 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Been real scattered lately but appreciate the responses to my question. Will more closely check out this treasure later. Most definitely *will not* be dropping the unit from a high elevation, as Mike suggest :). I'll answer questions about it when I get the time and will contact the group Greg mentioned. Later, On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 09:18:05AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Thursday, 4 March 1999 at 11:26:24 -0500, Cory Kempf wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 4 Mar 1999, Tom Jackson wrote: > >>> I picked up a PDP 11/83 at a American Airlines garage sale. It has > >>> the tape backup (and 2 boxes of tapes) but is missing the hard drives. > >>> Is there any hope/use or have I acquired a big boat anchor? > >>> > > > > Matthew Jacob writes: > >> It's a boat anchor for running a full fledged Unix system, > > > > It "full fledged" refers specifically to uni with all the modern > > gew-gaws and gizmos, sure. > > > > While it has been a long time, I could swear that not only was unix > > *invented* on a PDP system (PDP8, if I recall), > > PDP-7. UNIX never ran on the PDP-8. > > > and the 2.9 BSD was written for the PDP 11... > > All versions of UNIX from the First Edition (1970) until the Seventh > Edition (1978) and 2.11BSD (still being developed) were written for > the PDP-11. > > You want to contact the PDP UNIX Preservation Society. Check out > http://minnie.cs.adfa.oz.au/PUPS/. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers > finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 19 18: 1:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from qatar.net.qa (qatar.net.qa [194.133.33.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2382114F42 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 18:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Arabian@DAL.NET) Received: from qatar (diha.qatar.net.qa [194.133.37.161]) by qatar.net.qa (8.8.8/Internet-Qatar) with SMTP id EAA07343 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:59:40 +0300 (GMT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990320050223.0079bd90@qatar.net.qa> X-Sender: qss@qatar.net.qa (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:02:23 +0300 To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Arabian Subject: P III 500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I would like to know if you tested P III 500 with 2.2.8-STABLE or 3.1-STBBALE is it ok and no problems ? Also I would like please to know the best Motherboard for FBD and the best SDRAM chips. Your help appreciated. Regards, -Abdullah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 20 2:25:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mgate1.telekabel.at (mgate1.telekabel.at [195.34.133.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FB214F88 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 02:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hfwirth@teleweb.at) Received: from teleweb.at ([212.17.91.153]) by mgate1.telekabel.at (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-57067U15000L15000S0V35) with ESMTP id AAA18690; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:24:15 +0100 Message-ID: <36F37750.BF1121CB@teleweb.at> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:24:16 +0100 From: Helmut Wirth Reply-To: hfwirth@teleweb.at X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arabian , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P III 500 References: <3.0.6.32.19990320050223.0079bd90@qatar.net.qa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arabian wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I would like to know if you tested P III 500 with 2.2.8-STABLE or > 3.1-STBBALE is it ok and no problems ? > > Also I would like please to know the best Motherboard for FBD and the best > SDRAM chips. > > Your help appreciated. > > Regards, > > -Abdullah > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message I have a PIII 500 for about two weeks. I use an ASUS P2B Motherboard and everything works fine (Win98 and FreeBSD-3.0-RELEASE). FreeBSD has not yet support for the PIII, ie. you cannot use the new SIMD instructions, because it does not recognize the PIII and it does not save the new registers. As long as you don't use software specifically for the PIII, this is not a problem. (FreeBSD-current seems to recognize the PIII, I will upgrade soon). For 2.2.8-STABLE I don't know, but 3.1-STABLE will work for sure, at least in the way mine does. Other than the new SIMD instructions the PIII is equal to the PII. Which SDRAM chips are best depends on the motherboard, I use normal PC-100 SDRAMs. -- Helmut F. Wirth Email: hfwirth@teleweb.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message