From owner-freebsd-smp Sun Oct 10 4: 2:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from email.ipo.co.kr (ns.ipo.co.kr [203.229.161.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7754114FE2 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 04:02:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dsikr3@hotmail.com) Received: from c1h3g5 ([210.205.170.86]) by email.ipo.co.kr (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 143-13196) with SMTP id AAA63 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:52:41 +0900 From: 홍성현 To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: freebsd-smp님, 안녕하세요... Date: Sun, 10 Oct 99 19:52:28 대한민국 표준시 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=AD_2000_PART_BOUNDARY_19990606 Message-Id: <19991010110230.7754114FE2@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --AD_2000_PART_BOUNDARY_19990606 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit freebsd-smp님 안녕하세요... http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html의 홈페이지에 들렀다가 freebsd-smp@freebsd.org님을 보고 혹시나해서 메일을 드려봅니다. 아주 무식한 스팸메일은 아니니까 양해를 바라구요. 원치 않으시면 메일을 보내드리지 않겠습니다. 좀 불편 하시더라도 거부의사 메일을 보내주시면 절대로 귀찮게 해드리지 않겠습니다... 죄송합니다, 그럼 건강하세요... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #######물!,물!,이젠 바로 알아야 합니다.####### *1.물에대한 자료와 언론보도 내용이 뒤에 첨부되어 있습니다. *2.좋은 물에 반드시 필요한 루이보스티에 대한 자료가 있습니다(사은품) #문의사항이 있으신분은 전화나 메일을 주시면 친절하고 자세히 알려드리겠습니다. 특히, 집에 어린아기나 나이 많으신 노인분이 계신 분은 좀 번거로우시더라도 자신과 가족의 건강을 생각 하신다면 꼭! 끝까지 읽어보시기 바랍니다. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *[웅진코웨이 렌탈(임대) 정수기의 선택이유]* 1.10일동안 무료로 써보시고 마음에 안드시면 어떠한 불이익없이 바로 회수 2.전국 어디서나 설치+특별사은품(인터넷 담당자에 한함) 3.구입이 아닌 부담없는 임대로 사용 4.2개월마다 순회방문 청소/점검/무상 필터교환(교환주기에 따라) 5.최첨단 역삼투압 정수방식 채용 및 깐깐한 5단계 정수시스템 -오염된 물에 압력을 가하여 특수하게 제작된 반투막인 멤브레인을 통과할 때 중금속, 세균, 발암물질, 바이러스 , 환경호로몬, 다이옥신 및 불순물은 걸러주고, 순수한 물과 우리 몸에 좋은 산소 및 소량의 미네랄만을 통과시켜 주는 정수방식 입니다. 멤브레인 기공은 사람 머리카락의 100만분의 1의 크기로써 아주 미세한 바이러스도 통과하지 못합니다. 6.계약변동,해지시 보증금 전액환불, 7.연 1회 무료수질검사 8.천재지변시 비용부담없이 제품교환,9.새로운 모델 출시시 무료 교환 10.장기 사용고객 월사용료 우대혜택 *11.특별사은품 - 아래소개된 루이보스티 3인가족 20일분 무료증정* ---------------------------------------------------------------- *[웅진코웨이 렌탈정수기 임대조건]* 1.렌탈기간 : 최소 6개월부터 고객이 원하는 기간까지 2.계약변동 : 해약시 보증금 전액환불 3.계 약 금 : 보증금 10만원 (공공기관/외국인회사 면제) 4.설치운영비 : 3만원/4만원(냉온정수기):1회에 한함 5.월사용료: 26000원~ (가정용/일반정수기 기준) 6.이전설치비 :평생무료 (주)웅진코웨이 개발 담당 홍성현 드림.(밤12시까지 상담가능) 연락처 : 744-0209(개발실)/581-8855(강남본사)/017-720-5925 되도록 이면 저와 통화를 하시면 좋겠습니다. ###가족건강에 아주좋은 아래 소개된 루이보스티를 드립니다.### --------------------------------------------------------------- *렌탈 영업본부 사원 모집* (주)웅진코웨이 개발 1.모집인원 : 00명 2.모집부서 : 정수기 렌탈(임대)사업부 3.응시자격 : 만20세 이상(주부환영) 4.급 여 : 기본급 + 인센티브+보너스 5.제출서류 : 이력서 함께 일할 가족을 찾고있습니다. ---------------------------------------------------------------- *물에 대한 잘못된 생각 [자료출처-연세대 환경공해 연구소] -수도물은 끓여 마시면 안전하다구요? 여태까지 우리가 가장 흔히 마시고 있는 것이 바로 수도물로 끓인 보리 차였습니다. 그러나 물은 끓이게 되면 산소가 파괴되고, 물분자운동이 정지되어 생명력을 잃게됩니다. 또한, 보리차는 트리할로메탄(THMs)이라고 하는 유독성 발암물질을 그대로 함유하게 되고, 중금속 ·합성세제 ·살충제 등도 근본적인 제거를 할 수 없다는 심각한 문제점을 안고 있습니다. -생수나 약수를 먹고 있으니까 걱정없다구요? 대기가 방사능과 각종 유해물질로 오염되고, 지표 또한 폐수 등으로 인해 그 오염이 심각해진 이 마당에 생수나 약수인들 온전할 리가 있을까요? 신문 지상에서의 각종 보도를 보더라도 생수와 약수의 오염도 이미 심각한 지경에 이르고 있음은 누구나 다 알고 있는 사실입니다. 각종 중금속과 세균오염의 가능성은 생수나 약수도 어쩔 수 없이 안고 있는 문제점입니다. -미네랄이 퐁부한 물은 마시면 오래산다구요? 물에 대한 오해치고 이보다 위험한 것도 없습니다. 흔히 무슨 약수다 하여 철분,마그네슘,칼슘 등의 미네랄이 많은 것을 자랑처럼 떠드는 경우가 있는데 이런 무기물은 불용성 이라 식물만이 흡수할 수 있으며 과다 섭취하게 되면 인체의 신장,동맥,혈액 등에 축적되어 심각한 질환을 일으킬 수도 있습니다. 미네랄을 얻기 위해서라면 차라리 유기 미네랄이 함유된 사과 한개, 멸치 한마리를 먹는 편이 더 빠르고 좋습니다. -정수기를 쓰고 있으니 안심이다구요? 정수기도 정수기 나름입니다. 미세한 바이러스와 각종 세균, 초 미립자로 구성된 중금속 성분 등을 완벽하게 걸러낼 수는 없습니다. 물론 어느 정도의 정수효과는.기대할 수 있겠지만, 정수기를 쓰고 있다해서 지금 내가 먹고 있는 물이 안전하다는 위험한 생각은 되도록 빨리 버리는 것이 현명하리라 생각됩니다. -------------------------------------------------------------------- [공개된 언론보도 자료] *수돗물 모르고 마신다. -정수 기술도 후진국, 염소 퍼붓기가 고작! -우리 검사기준 38개, WHO기준은 48개, 미국은 85개 [한국일보 94년 1월15일] *수돗물 정수약품 유해 -이산화 염소가 독소로 변질, 청색증 유발 [조선일보 1996년 9월3일] *수돗물 불안 , 약수오염...물공포 -생수도 방치되어 있다. -수도, 생산시설 관리엉망 [조선일보 94년 1월 21일] *4생수 허가업체(주한 외국인용/수출용)4곳에서 기준치 31배 검출 -석수, 에머럴드, 사파이어, 마운틴 [한국일보 89년 9월26일] *시판생수 세균 "우글" -기준치보다 27배 초과 [국민일보 89년 10월 24일] *유명사 생수도 세균 우글 -최고 80배까지 일반세균과 대장균 검출 [국민일보 90년 4월14일] *생수 며칠 지나면 식수로 부적합 -개봉후 5일째엔 세균 득실!! [세계일보 90년 4월15일] *서울 지하수 87.시판 생수에서 일반세균 수돗물 기준 47배 검출 -음용수 건강피해우려 유통규제 시급 [조선일보 1996년 3월28일] *서울 지하수88% 못마신다-땅파기 공사에 따른 오염도 심각.! -하수관5m마다 한곳파손 16%는 허드렛물로도 부적합. [조선일보 1997년 3월7일] *수돗물 바이러스 논란 -서울대 김상종 교수(미생물학) 수돗물에서 뇌수막염 바이러스 검출 -어린 아이들에게 고열과 감기증상을 일으킬수 있다고 발표 [조선일보 1997년 12월23일] *정수장, 수도전 위생관리 소홀 -수질기준 최고 26배 초과 -소독등 정수처리 미흡, 급수관 노후화 [서울 경제신문 1997년 8월 4일] *.비상급수 38% 식수 부적합 -질소, 세균등 기준치 초과 -청색증 유발우려, 학교 시설도 포함, 충격!! [한국경제신문 1996년 6월12일] *팔당호, 무책임한 행정에 3급수 전락위기 -날로 오염되는 2천만의 젖줄 [조선일보 1998년 4월28일] *논, 농가 주변에 생수공장-공장, 생활하수 농약오염 노출 -정수기준, 유통기한 제멋대로 -불법판매, 식당, 가게도 지하수 내다팔아... [조선일보 94년 1월22일] *죽은물이 흐르는 전국의 강-4대강 폐수유입 [동아일보 89년 8월11일] *지하수로 생수 만들기 열풍-[한국일보 89년 9월28일] *날이 갈수록 오염은 더욱더 심각해지고 있습니다.* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ######################################################################### #############[루이보스티 Rooibos 루이보스티 Rooibos 루이보스티]########## ######################################################################### ######제조원:삼양식품#########제조원:삼양식품#########제조원:삼양식품#### ######################################################################### *외국여행시 꼭 사오시던 그 차(tea)이젠 국내에서도 쉽게 구하실수 있습니다 *외국에는 이미 오래전부터 알려져있으며 그 효과 또한 놀라울 정도이며, 그냥 보리차 처럼 끓여서 차게 또는 뜨겁게 마시면 됩니다... *국내에도 이미 각종 언론과 연구기관에 그 효능이 입증되었으며 음용자의 체험사례도 꾸준히 확인되고있습니다. *가격: 3~4인가족기준 -소:1달분량(1.3만원) [운송비 포함] 중:2달분량(2.5만원) 대:6달 분량(6.3만원) ###제조원:삼양식품######제조원:삼양식품######제조원:삼양식품### ###루이보스티는 특히 이런 분들에게 효과가 있습니다.### -변비(특히 여성), 각종 피부염, 아토피성 피부염, 알러지 체질 -피부가 않좋으신 분(기미, 주근깨, 여드름, 거칠고 건조한 피부) -자연스러운 다이어트를 원하시는분 -위, 장, 간이 않좋으신 분 -머리카락이 많이 빠지시는 분(탈모예방, 모발성장) -많이 피곤해 하시는 분 -숙면을 취하지 못하시는 분 -혈압에 이상이 있으신 분(고혈압, 저혈압) *루이보스티(ROOIBOS tea)란? 남 아프리카 희망봉 해발 457M이상 무공해 고원지대 에사만 자생하는 식물로써 현대인의 각종 질병과 노화를 예방, 치료할 수 있는 S.O.D. 성분을 다량으로 함유하고 있으며 사람에게 꼭 필요한 각종 미네랄 성분(인, 철, 칼슘, 나트륨 칼륨, 마그네슘, 동, 아연 망간, 케르세틴) 을 섭취하면서 자라는 희귀하며 귀한 성분을 가진 "아스파라사스 리네아 리스"라는 식물을 무색소, 무방부제,무카페인 처리한 천연 무공해 차(Tea)로 마실수록 건강해지는 신비의 차 입니다. *유해산소란? 우리가 매일 호흡하는 산소중 2~3%가 체외로 배출되지 못하고 인체에 남아 현대인의 각종 질병과 노화의 원인이 되며 우리의 건강을 위협하는 독성산소 *S.O.D.(Super Oxide Dismutase)란? "유해산소 제거효소"로서 우리 몸안에 유해산소를 중화 또는 제거하는 성분이고 미국의 과학 아카데미에서 "꿈의효소"라고 발표하여 전세계가 주목하고 있는 우리의 인체에 꼭 필요한 성분입니다. *국내 대기업 제품의 SOD성분 응용사례. -삼양식품: 삼양라면, 짱구 -동아제약: 메타볼라(피로회복제) -부광약품: natural 100(루이보스 비누) -(주)나드리 화장품 - SOD 이노센스 UV투웨이 케이크 -TV: 99년 10월중 국내최초 TV광고 실시확정! 국민 건강에 기여하는-------------- (주)한국 루이보스 *끝까지 읽어주셔서 감사드립니다... 건강하세요... --AD_2000_PART_BOUNDARY_19990606-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Tue Oct 12 23:10:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4991014CEF for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adsharma@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com) Received: from c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com ([24.0.69.165]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19991013061027.QDZA28137.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com> for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:10:27 -0700 Received: (from adsharma@localhost) by c62443-a.frmt1.sfba.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31318 for freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:10:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:10:26 -0700 From: Arun Sharma To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel + xosview patch for cp_time Message-ID: <19991012231026.A31302@home.com> References: <19990901223607.A4616@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990901223607.A4616@home.com>; from Arun Sharma on Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:36:07PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:36:07PM -0700, Arun Sharma wrote: > Here's a minor patch to make the kernel keep track of per CPU times and > another patch to help xosview take advantage of that. > > -Arun > I didn't receive any feedback on this mail. Did anyone with commit privs look at this (the kernel part) ? -Arun --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mp_cp_time.patch" Index: kern//kern_clock.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/adsharma/cvs_root/freebsd-sys/kern/kern_clock.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.2 diff -u -r1.1.1.2 kern_clock.c --- kern_clock.c 1999/08/31 05:12:42 1.1.1.2 +++ kern_clock.c 1999/09/02 04:13:35 @@ -89,7 +89,7 @@ /* Some of these don't belong here, but it's easiest to concentrate them. */ #if defined(SMP) && defined(BETTER_CLOCK) -long cp_time[CPUSTATES]; +long cp_time[NCPUS][CPUSTATES]; #else static long cp_time[CPUSTATES]; #endif @@ -389,9 +389,17 @@ */ p->p_uticks++; if (p->p_nice > NZERO) +#ifdef SMP + cp_time[cpuid][CP_NICE]++; +#else cp_time[CP_NICE]++; +#endif else +#ifdef SMP + cp_time[cpuid][CP_USER]++; +#else cp_time[CP_USER]++; +#endif } else { #ifdef GPROF /* @@ -428,12 +436,26 @@ if (CLKF_INTR(frame)) { if (p != NULL) p->p_iticks++; +#ifdef SMP + cp_time[cpuid][CP_INTR]++; +#else cp_time[CP_INTR]++; +#endif + } else if (p != NULL) { p->p_sticks++; +#ifdef SMP + cp_time[cpuid][CP_SYS]++; +#else cp_time[CP_SYS]++; +#endif } else +#ifdef SMP + cp_time[cpuid][CP_IDLE]++; +#else cp_time[CP_IDLE]++; +#endif + } pscnt = psdiv; Index: i386//i386/mp_machdep.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/adsharma/cvs_root/freebsd-sys/i386/i386/mp_machdep.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.2 diff -u -r1.1.1.2 mp_machdep.c --- mp_machdep.c 1999/08/31 05:12:10 1.1.1.2 +++ mp_machdep.c 1999/09/02 04:15:26 @@ -2227,8 +2227,9 @@ int checkstate_cpustate[NCPU]; u_long checkstate_pc[NCPU]; -extern long cp_time[CPUSTATES]; +extern long cp_time[NCPUS][CPUSTATES]; + #define PC_TO_INDEX(pc, prof) \ ((int)(((u_quad_t)((pc) - (prof)->pr_off) * \ (u_quad_t)((prof)->pr_scale)) >> 16) & ~1) @@ -2278,9 +2279,9 @@ return; p->p_uticks++; if (p->p_nice > NZERO) - cp_time[CP_NICE]++; + cp_time[cpuid][CP_NICE]++; else - cp_time[CP_USER]++; + cp_time[cpuid][CP_USER]++; break; case CHECKSTATE_SYS: #ifdef GPROF @@ -2300,10 +2301,10 @@ return; if (!p) - cp_time[CP_IDLE]++; + cp_time[cpuid][CP_IDLE]++; else { p->p_sticks++; - cp_time[CP_SYS]++; + cp_time[cpuid][CP_SYS]++; } break; case CHECKSTATE_INTR: @@ -2325,7 +2326,7 @@ return; if (p) p->p_iticks++; - cp_time[CP_INTR]++; + cp_time[cpuid][CP_INTR]++; } if (p != NULL) { p->p_cpticks++; --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Wed Oct 13 1:36: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [216.240.39.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A4BFA14A06 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:36:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 70765 invoked by uid 100); 13 Oct 1999 08:36:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Oct 1999 08:36:04 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Meyer To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel + xosview patch for cp_time In-Reply-To: <19991012231026.A31302@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Arun Sharma wrote: ;->On Wed, Sep 01, 1999 at 10:36:07PM -0700, Arun Sharma wrote: ;->> Here's a minor patch to make the kernel keep track of per CPU times and ;->> another patch to help xosview take advantage of that. ;-> ;->I didn't receive any feedback on this mail. Did anyone with commit ;->privs look at this (the kernel part) ? I don't have commit privs, but I did install them. It caused programs that weren't aware of the changes - vmstat, iostat, top, and probably others - to report bogus numbers. I'm suspect they were the values for the first cpu, but they could have been gibberish. These need to be fixed. One possibility is having the kernel track totals using an extra "cpu 0" slot in the array (it should be possible to make this work so that unfixed programs get correct data). This involves counting every tick twice, though - and we're already increasing the address arithmetic to keep these stats for multiple cpus. A second is to make every program smp aware, and have them figure the totals themselves. That seems to be just plain ugly. My inclination is to 1) Make sure that programs grabbing one cpu from cp_time get the first cpu. This would also mean that the counting code doesn't need to depend on whether or not the system is smp. 2) Add "cpustat" to kernfs. The first line is system totals. smp systems then provide one line per cpu with the same information. 3) Fix everything to use that. Old applications will get correct information on up systems, and the first cpu on smp systems. Updated applications will work properly whether they want single or multiple cpu information on either system. What to do if /kern can't be reached is up to the application in question, ranging from punting to doing everything by hand. ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:15:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA00742 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:10:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Top, PS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I build -current this afternoon from sources cvsupped around noon; now top and ps are not showing cpu usage, although they were doing so before, on a -current built from September 15 sources. Annelise To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Thu Oct 14 17:19:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (ha1.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D8915281 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vipw@home.com) Received: from fatman ([24.66.193.63]) by mail.rdc1.ab.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <19991015001849.ZCWA2887.mail.rdc1.ab.home.com@fatman>; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:18:49 -0700 Message-ID: <00b301bf16a2$e4944ae0$0564000a@fast.b0rk.net> From: "Adam Serediuk" To: "Annelise Anderson" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Top, PS Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:19:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heh i've always had that problem. I find that if I dont start X, top works fine. I've learnt to ignore it :P ----- Original Message ----- From: Annelise Anderson To: Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 6:10 PM Subject: Top, PS > I build -current this afternoon from sources cvsupped around noon; > now top and ps are not showing cpu usage, although they were doing > so before, on a -current built from September 15 sources. > > Annelise > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 15 20:21:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from houston.matchlogic.com (houston.matchlogic.com [205.216.147.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C47B14BE1 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 20:20:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crandall@matchlogic.com) Received: by houston.matchlogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <43SC5BC6>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:20:45 -0600 Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC0303E73D38@houston.matchlogic.com> From: Charles Randall To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Building/booting SMP kernel for Compaq Proliant 800 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:20:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got a Compaq Proliant 800 with two 550MHz P-III CPUs, 512 MB RAM, etc. I've installed 3.3-Release and built a custom kernel (based on GENERIC) using the following options, machine "i386" #cpu "I386_CPU" #cpu "I486_CPU" cpu "I586_CPU" cpu "I686_CPU" ident CUSTOM maxusers 256 options MAXMEM="(512*1024)" ... # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=3 # number of busses options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=44 # number of INTs I set NBUS to 3 based on the mptable output below. However, the results are the same when set to 4. I set NINTR to 44 because with the default the boot halted with a message stating that NINTR must be set to 44. When I try to boot this kernel I get, Timecounter ... CPU Pentium III ... Origin ... Features ... real memory ... avail memory ... Programming 35 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpint 24 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 25 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 26 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 27 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 28 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 29 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 30 -> irq -1 IOAPIC #0 intpint 31 -> irq -1 and the boot hangs. I've appended the mptable output below. Suggestions? I presume that the kernel options I've set are incorrect. -Charles ============================================================================ === MPTable, version 2.0.15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f4ff0 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.4 checksum: 0x00 mode: Virtual Wire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f27cd signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 484 version: 1.4 checksum: 0x77 OEM ID: 'COMPAQ ' Product ID: 'PROLIANT ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 52 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 76 extended table checksum: 86 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 0 0x10 BSP, usable 6 2 1 0x0381 0 0x10 AP, usable 6 7 3 0x383fbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 9 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 8 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# INT active-lo level 1 10:A 8 17 INT active-lo level 1 10:B 8 16 INT active-lo level 1 10:C 8 17 INT active-lo level 1 10:D 8 16 INT active-lo level 1 9:A 8 19 INT active-lo level 1 9:B 8 18 INT active-lo level 1 9:C 8 19 INT active-lo level 1 9:D 8 18 INT active-lo level 1 8:A 8 21 INT active-lo level 1 8:B 8 20 INT active-lo level 1 8:C 8 21 INT active-lo level 1 8:D 8 20 INT active-lo level 1 7:A 8 23 INT active-lo level 1 7:B 8 22 INT active-lo level 1 7:C 8 23 INT active-lo level 1 7:D 8 22 INT active-lo level 0 15:A 8 25 INT active-lo level 0 15:B 8 24 INT active-lo level 0 15:C 8 25 INT active-lo level 0 15:D 8 24 INT active-lo level 0 13:A 8 27 INT active-lo level 0 13:B 8 26 INT active-lo level 0 13:C 8 27 INT active-lo level 0 13:D 8 26 INT active-lo level 0 6:A 8 31 INT active-lo level 0 6:B 8 30 INT active-lo level 0 7:A 8 29 INT active-lo level 0 8:A 8 28 INT active-hi edge 9 1 8 1 INT active-hi edge 9 0 8 2 INT active-hi edge 9 3 8 3 INT active-hi edge 9 4 8 4 INT active-hi edge 9 5 8 5 INT active-hi edge 9 6 8 6 INT active-hi edge 9 7 8 7 INT active-hi edge 9 8 8 8 INT active-hi edge 9 9 8 9 INT active-hi edge 9 10 8 10 INT active-hi edge 9 11 8 11 INT active-hi edge 9 12 8 12 INT active-lo edge 9 13 8 13 INT active-hi edge 9 14 8 14 INT active-hi edge 9 15 8 15 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT conforms conforms 9 0 255 0 NMI conforms conforms 9 0 255 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Extended Table Entries: Extended Table HOSED! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 15 21:16:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from houston.matchlogic.com (houston.matchlogic.com [205.216.147.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3604614EDD for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crandall@matchlogic.com) Received: by houston.matchlogic.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <43SC5BFN>; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:16:49 -0600 Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC0303E73D39@houston.matchlogic.com> From: Charles Randall To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Building/booting SMP kernel for Compaq Proliant 800 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:16:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With some more experimentation, I finally got this to work... At boot time, the Compaq bios provides a configuration option to set the operating system. The only Unix choices are UnixWare, SCO 5, and Solaris. I initially tried "minimal". That's how I got the output from the previous message. I then tried Solaris and was able to boot the SMP kernel but the on-board Ethernet adapter wouldn't work, ncr0: rev 0x14 int a irq 255 on pci0.6.0 create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 23 interruptless mode: reduced performance. ncr1: rev 0x14 int b irq 255 on pci0.6.1 create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 23 interruptless mode: reduced performance. tl0: rev 0x10 int a irq 255 on pci0.7.0 create_intr: requested irq255 too high, limit is 23 tl0: couldn't map interrupt If you'll recall, setting NINTR to 24 resulted in a boot message telling me to increase it to 44. I tried SCO 5 and was able to boot an SMP kernel with network support. Note that the output of mptable changed between the Solaris settings and the SCO 5 settings. The kernel I built had these SMP settings, # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs options NBUS=4 # number of busses options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs options NINTR=44 # number of INTs I've included the output of dmesg and mptable below. Does this seem reasonable or optimal? Judging from the mptable output below, I can probably drop NINTR back down to the default of 24. Man, Compaq's are strange. -Charles Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE #1: Tue Jul 13 21:52:01 MDT 1999 root@navajo.matchlogic.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III (686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383fbff> real memory = 536870912 (524288K bytes) avail memory = 518643712 (506488K bytes) Programming 35 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 8, version: 0x00220011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0382000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled eisa0: Probing for devices on the EISA bus Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x02 on pci0.0.0 ncr0: rev 0x14 int a irq 5 on pci0.6.0 ncr1: rev 0x14 int b irq 9 on pci0.6.1 tl0: rev 0x10 int a irq 10 on pci0.7.0 tl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:8b:92:c4:1d tl0: autoneg complete, link status good (half-duplex, 100Mbps) vga0: rev 0x7a on pci0.8.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.10.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.20.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.20.1 chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.20.3 Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 fe0 not found at 0x300 atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordis acd0: drive speed 5512KB/sec, 128KB cache acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked wdc1 not found at 0x170 wt0 not found at 0x300 mcd0 not found at 0x300 matcdc0 not found at 0x230 scd0: timeout. scd0 not found at 0x230 ppc0 at 0x3bc irq 7 flags 0x40 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode lpt0: on ppbus 0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 ie0: unknown board_id: f000 ie0 not found at 0x300 ep0 not found at 0x300 ex0 not found le0 not found at 0x300 lnc0 not found at 0x280 cs0 not found at 0x300 ze0 not found at 0x300 zp0 not found at 0x300 adv0 not found at 0x330 bt0 not found at 0x134 aha0 not found at 0x134 vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via pin 2 Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! changing root device to da0s1a da0 at ncr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) ============================================================================ === MPTable, version 2.0.15 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f4ff0 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.4 checksum: 0x9d mode: Virtual Wire ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f27cd signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 260 version: 1.4 checksum: 0xdf OEM ID: 'COMPAQ ' Product ID: 'PROLIANT ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 24 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 76 extended table checksum: 86 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 1 0x10 BSP, usable 6 7 3 0x383fbff 0 0x10 AP, usable 6 7 3 0x383fbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 9 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 8 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# INT active-hi edge 9 1 8 1 INT active-hi edge 9 0 8 2 INT active-hi edge 9 3 8 3 INT active-hi edge 9 4 8 4 INT active-hi level 9 5 8 5 INT active-hi edge 9 6 8 6 INT active-hi edge 9 7 8 7 INT active-hi edge 9 8 8 8 INT active-hi level 9 9 8 9 INT active-hi level 9 10 8 10 INT active-hi edge 9 11 8 11 INT active-hi edge 9 12 8 12 INT active-lo edge 9 13 8 13 INT active-hi edge 9 14 8 14 INT active-hi edge 9 15 8 15 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT conforms conforms 9 0 255 0 NMI conforms conforms 9 0 255 1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- MP Config Extended Table Entries: Extended Table HOSED! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 15 22:26:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F0E1150F2 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:25:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) Received: (qmail 34333 invoked by uid 9999); 16 Oct 1999 05:25:08 -0000 Date: 16 Oct 1999 05:25:08 -0000 Message-ID: <19991016052508.34332.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed X-Disclaimer: 팑쨓퉞업 Maxwell �많畑뺀Hㅊ췦�ㄴ－t쿭좧 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : Does anybody have successful experience for running FreeBSD 3.X-STABLE : SMP on 4 Pentium III 550 with Intel 450NX chipset? : When I run FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE SMP on AcerAltos 21000, Pentium III 550 x 4, : the booting process halt at "Lauching CPU #1". Some other interesting info, the same machine(Acer Altos 21000), installing 4.0-CURRENT -- FreeBSD-SMP "semi-ok". The console is "semi-frozen". When I try to login from console, press Enter several times to get prompts, the login prompts show after dozens of secs. That is, the console is not "interactive". Anyway, I can telnet into this machine and make world. make -j3 world -> frozen make world -> ok 0.56 real 1931.95 user 925.12 sys Another strange thing is, the clock(date) is also "semi-frozen" -- -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> elf make world started on Sat Oct 16 11:00:27 CST 1999 >>> elf make world completed on Sat Oct 16 11:00:28 CST 1999 -------------------------------------------------------------- bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:29 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:27 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:27 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:29 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:26 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:29 CST 1999 bash-2.03# date Sat Oct 16 11:00:27 CST 1999 =============================================================================== MPTable, version 2.0.15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Floating Pointer Structure: location: BIOS physical address: 0x000f9e00 signature: '_MP_' length: 16 bytes version: 1.4 checksum: 0xe3 mode: Virtual Wire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Table Header: physical address: 0x000f9e10 signature: 'PCMP' base table length: 280 version: 1.4 checksum: 0x67 OEM ID: 'ACER ' Product ID: 'X5 ' OEM table pointer: 0x00000000 OEM table size: 0 entry count: 25 local APIC address: 0xfee00000 extended table length: 140 extended table checksum: 15 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Base Table Entries: -- Processors: APIC ID Version State Family Model Step Flags 0 0x11 BSP, usable 6 7 3 0x387fbff 1 0x11 AP, usable 6 7 3 0x387fbff 2 0x11 AP, usable 6 7 3 0x387fbff -- Bus: Bus ID Type 0 PCI 1 PCI 2 ISA -- I/O APICs: APIC ID Version State Address 3 0x11 usable 0xfec00000 -- I/O Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# INT active-hi edge 2 0 3 0 INT active-hi edge 2 1 3 1 INT active-hi edge 2 3 3 3 INT active-hi edge 2 4 3 4 INT active-hi edge 2 5 3 5 INT active-hi edge 2 6 3 6 INT active-hi edge 2 7 3 7 INT active-hi edge 2 8 3 8 INT active-hi edge 2 9 3 9 INT active-hi edge 2 12 3 12 INT active-hi edge 2 14 3 14 INT active-hi edge 2 15 3 15 INT active-hi level 0 7:D 3 19 INT active-lo level 1 8:A 3 21 INT active-lo level 1 9:A 3 23 INT active-lo level 1 9:B 3 23 -- Local Ints: Type Polarity Trigger Bus ID IRQ APIC ID PIN# ExtINT active-hi edge 2 0 255 0 NMI active-hi edge 2 0 255 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MP Config Extended Table Entries: -- bus ID: 0 address type: memory address address base: 0x40700000 address range: 0x1e00000 -- bus ID: 0 address type: memory address address base: 0xa0000 address range: 0x20000 -- bus ID: 1 address type: memory address address base: 0x42500000 address range: 0xbc200000 -- bus ID: 0 address type: I/O address address base: 0x0 address range: 0x4000 -- bus ID: 1 address type: I/O address address base: 0x4000 address range: 0xc000 -- bus ID: 2 bus info: 0x00 parent bus ID: 0-- bus ID: 2 address modifier: add predefined range: 0x00000000-- bus ID: 2 address modifier: add predefined range: 0x00000001-- bus ID: 1 address modifier: subtract predefined range: 0x00000000-- bus ID: 1 address modifier: subtract predefined range: 0x00000001 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMP kernel config file options: # Required: options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optional (built-in defaults will work in most cases): #options NCPU=3 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=3 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dmesg output: Copyright (c) 1992-1999 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-19991012-CURRENT #2: Sat Oct 16 10:54:13 CST 1999 root@more33.i3:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBSD Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III (549.90-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x673 Stepping = 3 Features=0x383fbff real memory = 1072627712 (1047488K bytes) avail memory = 1038761984 (1014416K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu2 (AP): apic id: 2, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 3, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0276000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 2.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 chip0: at device 2.1 on pci0 chip1: at device 2.2 on pci0 Timecounter "PIIX" frequency 3579545 Hz chip2: at device 2.3 on pci0 vga-pci0: at device 12.0 on pci0 pcib1: on motherboard pci1: on pcib1 fxp0: irq 21 at device 8.0 on pci1 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:a7:ff:46 ahc0: irq 23 at device 9.0 on pci1 ahc0: aic7896/97 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: irq 23 at device 9.1 on pci1 ahc1: aic7896/97 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 wdc0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa0 wdc0: unit 0 (atapi): , removable, accel, dma, iordy wcd0: drive speed 171 - 8593KB/sec, 128KB cache wcd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA, packet track wcd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels wcd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray wcd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3b0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ed0 at port 0x340-0x35f iomem 0xd8000 irq 3 on isa0 ed0: address 00:80:c8:28:38:26, type NE2000 (16 bit) APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 on pin 0 SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! Creating DISK da0 changing root device to da0s2a da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) calcru: negative time of -4206654 usec for pid 252 (cc1) calcru: negative time of -3852841 usec for pid 292 (cc1) calcru: negative time of -4518683 usec for pid 404 (mount_mfs) calcru: negative time of -4518683 usec for pid 404 (mount_mfs) calcru: negative time of -4536531 usec for pid 477 (cc1) calcru: negative time of -4266451 usec for pid 612 (cc1) calcru: negative time of -4625100 usec for pid 770 (cc1) calcru: negative time of -4368203 usec for pid 1135 (make) calcru: negative time of -4661110 usec for pid 4406 (make) calcru: negative time of -4660910 usec for pid 4983 (make) calcru: negative time of -4664548 usec for pid 5689 (make) =============================================================================== Regards, woju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 15 23:35:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles550.castles.com [208.214.165.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24A81533D for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00385; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910160627.XAA00385@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Charles Randall Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building/booting SMP kernel for Compaq Proliant 800 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:16:48 MDT." <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC0303E73D39@houston.matchlogic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:27:16 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At boot time, the Compaq bios provides a configuration option to set the > operating system. The only Unix choices are UnixWare, SCO 5, and Solaris. Actually, if you enable the undocumented "advanced" mode (Alt-A at the opening screen, IIRC), there should be other choices available. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Fri Oct 15 23:41:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles550.castles.com [208.214.165.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBEB1533D for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA00423; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:33:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910160633.XAA00423@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-reply-to: Your message of "16 Oct 1999 05:25:08 -0000." <19991016052508.34332.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:32:58 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : Does anybody have successful experience for running FreeBSD 3.X-STABL= E > : SMP on 4 Pentium III 550 with Intel 450NX chipset? > : When I run FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE SMP on AcerAltos 21000, Pentium III 550= x 4, > : the booting process halt at "Lauching CPU #1". > = > Some other interesting info, the same machine(Acer Altos 21000), > installing 4.0-CURRENT -- It sounds like there is something fairly basic broken with this machine's time handling or possibly interrupt routing. It's going to take someone moderately familiar with how the system ought to work and = a little time to sit down and puzzle through it, but they'll probably = need physical access to the machine to do that. Does anyone know of any in the USA? Would Acer be able to ship one = somewhere for loan for a month or so? -- = \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 6:29:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from engmail.uwaterloo.ca (engmail.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.50.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E8414C23 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 06:29:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlin@engmail.uwaterloo.ca) Received: from engmail.uwaterloo.ca (rn-re125b04 [129.97.33.168]) by engmail.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA67772 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:29:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jlin@engmail.uwaterloo.ca) Message-ID: <38087F6D.9EFD6B39@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:36:45 -0400 From: Jonathan Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-smp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 10: 6:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DF5314FCE for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) Received: (qmail 88086 invoked by uid 9999); 16 Oct 1999 17:06:21 -0000 Date: 16 Oct 1999 17:06:21 -0000 Message-ID: <19991016170621.88085.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed X-Disclaimer: 팑쨓퉞업 Maxwell �많畑뺀Hㅊ췦�ㄴ－t쿭좧 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : > Some other interesting info, the same machine(Acer Altos 21000), : > installing 4.0-CURRENT -- : : It sounds like there is something fairly basic broken with this : machine's time handling or possibly interrupt routing. It's going to : take someone moderately familiar with how the system ought to work and : a little time to sit down and puzzle through it, but they'll probably : need physical access to the machine to do that. : : Does anyone know of any in the USA? Would Acer be able to ship one : somewhere for loan for a month or so? I'll forward this message to Acer. Acer has some centers in the USA, and maybe they are interested in making their machines become "real server" :-) It would be a great pity if "Acer Altos 21000 server" can not run FreeBSD-SMP. A "server" without FreeBSD is not a "real(ideal) server" for me (and many others) :p Could anyone suggest some "high-end hardware" for running FreeBSD? My projects need *very-powerful* FreeBSDs using apache-php4-ssl + mysql to serve millions of users. However, we had some trouble choosing the "proper machines". We wish to buy the "right machine" for running FreeBSD-SMP with Pentium III 600 x 8(or even 16), 8(or even 16)G Ram. A least, we hope to find the right machine running FreeBSD-SMP with Pentium III 550 x 4, 4G Ram. It is said that "http://www.alltheweb.com/" runs FreeBSD on "Dell computer". Does anyone know the the detail hardware spec. of the "Dell computer"? Or, does anyone know what kind of machines are used by yahoo.com? By the way, "Acer ProStation 7000" is a good choice for "mid-end server" running FreeBSD-SMP -- http://www.sertek.com.tw/aps7000-1.htm ahc0: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci2.9.0 ahc0: aic7896/97 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: rev 0x00 int a irq 11 on pci2.9.1 ahc1: aic7896/97 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs 2 onboard SCSI channels da0 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit) da0: 17366MB (35566480 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2213C) Built-in i82559 ethernet chips (Intel EtherExpress Pro 10/100B Ethernet): fxp0 fxp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 10 on pci0.16 .0 Dual Pentium III 550, 1G Ram: world time =~ 30min (make -j20 world, mfs:obj) Regards, woju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 10:28:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles550.castles.com [208.214.165.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472715153 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06359; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:19:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910161719.KAA06359@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-reply-to: Your message of "16 Oct 1999 17:06:21 -0000." <19991016170621.88085.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:19:53 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > = > Could anyone suggest some "high-end hardware" for running FreeBSD? > My projects need *very-powerful* FreeBSDs using apache-php4-ssl + > mysql to serve millions of users. However, we had some trouble choosing= > the "proper machines". We wish to buy the "right machine" for running > FreeBSD-SMP with Pentium III 600 x 8(or even 16), 8(or even 16)G Ram. > A least, we hope to find the right machine running FreeBSD-SMP with > Pentium III 550 x 4, 4G Ram. Currently you're not going to get > 4GB of RAM into an i386 system. = Support for more than 4GB would require substantial rewrites of fairly = significant portions of the pmap module according to reliable sources. More than 4CPUs won't help you unless you are heavily compute-bound, = and the description of your application doesn't suggest that you are. > It is said that "http://www.alltheweb.com/" runs FreeBSD on "Dell compu= ter". > Does anyone know the the detail hardware spec. of the "Dell computer"? > Or, does anyone know what kind of machines are used by yahoo.com? Most large sites use clusters of systems rather than a small number of = overpowered servers. If I recall correctly, most of Yahoo's systems = are P-II class workstation boards. If you're looking to build higher-end servers, I can recommend systems based on the Intel AD450NX and SC450NX chassis or their descendants and replacements. If you want to build a small cluster of high-powered nodes, you should look closely at the AMD K7/700 and the Compaq Alpha-based systems such as the single-processor DS20. -- = \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 11:19:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw (bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw [140.112.18.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D7751545F for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw) Received: (qmail 92530 invoked by uid 9999); 16 Oct 1999 18:18:14 -0000 Date: 16 Oct 1999 18:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <19991016181813.92529.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Reply-To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw From: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed X-Disclaimer: 팑쨓퉞업 Maxwell �많畑뺀Hㅊ췦�ㄴ－t쿭좧 Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org : If you're looking to build higher-end servers, I can recommend systems : based on the Intel AD450NX and SC450NX chassis or their descendants and Yes, please, such information is very helpful to us :-) We are eager to know what's the "right machines" for running FreeBSD-SMP with Pentium III x 4, 4G Ram (256M x 16). : replacements. If you want to build a small cluster of high-powered : nodes, you should look closely at the AMD K7/700 and the Compaq : Alpha-based systems such as the single-processor DS20. And I'm also very interested about what's the "right machines" for running FreeBSD with AMD K7. Thanks for recommendation. Regards, woju To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 11:31:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles549.castles.com [208.214.165.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CC71523C for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06715; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:23:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199910161823.LAA06715@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: woju@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-reply-to: Your message of "16 Oct 1999 18:18:13 -0000." <19991016181813.92529.qmail@bbs.ee.ntu.edu.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:23:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > : replacements. If you want to build a small cluster of high-powered > : nodes, you should look closely at the AMD K7/700 and the Compaq > : Alpha-based systems such as the single-processor DS20. > = > And I'm also very interested about what's the "right machines" for runn= ing > FreeBSD with AMD K7. Thanks for recommendation. So far I've only been experimenting with a system built from parts. = The current set of K7 motherboards based on the AMD 75x chipset seem to = be quite stable, but require very careful attention to power supply and = cooling. The biggest drawback so far has been the limitation of ~1GB of memory = for those boards that I've looked at, hence suggesting these machines = would make good cluster nodes rather than stand-alone servers for your = application. As a general rule, think "more small, cheap machines" rather than "one = big expensive machine". This is a strategy that has worked well for = many people (yahoo, hotmail, etc.). -- = \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 12:58:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [216.240.39.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D03314C48 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:58:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 30138 invoked by uid 100); 16 Oct 1999 19:58:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 19:58:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:58:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Meyer To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-Reply-To: <199910161823.LAA06715@dingo.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Mike Smith wrote: ;->As a general rule, think "more small, cheap machines" rather than "one ;->big expensive machine". This is a strategy that has worked well for ;->many people (yahoo, hotmail, etc.). Yes, indeed. The exceptions are rare, and getting rarer. Even things that are heavily compute bound can benefit from this - see the seti@home project for an extreme example. The other exception that comes to mind is if you have a large database that needs to stay synchronized, but even then the worst case is a large, fast DB machine behind an array of small, fast web servers. If you can partition the DB, then you can replace that large, fast DB machine with an array of small, fast machines. If your DB is in some sense fuzzy (by which I mean sharing some of the properties of the typical web search engine), then even a DB machine being down is no great loss. Is anyone really going to complain that you missed 1% of the URLs on the web when a larger percentage than that are probably out of date? The headache that comes with it is you have to manage all those systems. I've not found a clean approach yet. Is anyone working on one - or better yet, have one? ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benoit@iwebgroup.com) Received: from Azur.videotron.com ([24.200.45.60]) by falla.videotron.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.07.30.00.05.p8) with ESMTP id <0FJP00CBXOUXF4@falla.videotron.net> for freebsd-smp@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:00:13 -0500 From: Benoit de Mulder Subject: Top and smp To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Message-id: <0FJP00CBYOUXF4@falla.videotron.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 0100,0100,0100On a dual xeon server, top and ps are = no more displaying cpu values after compiling a smp kernel. The server is running FreeBSD 3.2 Release any idea ? Benoit _______________________________________________________ Benoit de Mulder, Administration Syst=E8me iWeb-Hosting benoit@iwebgroup.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 13:10:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2DF15495 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA54919; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:10:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:10:18 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > > The headache that comes with it is you have to manage all those > systems. I've not found a clean approach yet. Is anyone working on one > - or better yet, have one? Hire good admins? What I have tried to do is be as consistent as possible. Build machines that are as close to identical as possible. Use the same hardware in machines, this makes it easier to stock spares, and reduces the number of awful this doesn't work with that problems you have to deal with. Design the application so that the thing is split on logical boundries. Make the sections look as much alike as possible. Automate everything that can be possible automated. O David Scheidt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 14:45: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [216.240.39.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A152E14DFF for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:44:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 48768 invoked by uid 100); 16 Oct 1999 21:44:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 21:44:47 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Meyer To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, David Scheidt wrote: ;->On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: ;->> The headache that comes with it is you have to manage all those ;->> systems. I've not found a clean approach yet. Is anyone working on one ;->> - or better yet, have one? ;->Hire good admins? Which leads to the obvious next question: anyone know a good way to find (and keep) good admins? :-) Throwing resources at a problem - especially when it's an expensive, hard-to-find resource - isn't what I'd call a clean solution. Or maybe this is a meta-solution: you keep hiring good admins until one comes up with a clean solution for you? ;->What I have tried to do is be as consistent as possible. Build machines ;->that are as close to identical as possible. Use the same hardware in ;->machines, this makes it easier to stock spares, and reduces the number of ;->awful this doesn't work with that problems you have to deal with. ;->Design the application so that the thing is split on logical boundries. ;->Make the sections look as much alike as possible. ;->Automate everything that can be possible automated. O That's the best I've run into as well. Extensive use of such tools as rdist or rsync helps a lot. Even better is using a SCM tool as a distribution mechanism, though that's stretching things a bit. It just seems like there ought to be a better way. ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt050n71.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA67992; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3808F449.CE63C6E6@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:55:21 -0700 From: Doug Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT-0927 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Meyer wrote: > > On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, David Scheidt wrote: > ;->On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > ;->> The headache that comes with it is you have to manage all those > ;->> systems. I've not found a clean approach yet. Is anyone working on one > ;->> - or better yet, have one? > ;->Hire good admins? > > Which leads to the obvious next question: anyone know a good way to > find (and keep) good admins? :-) Pay them what they are worth. Doug -- "Stop it, I'm gettin' misty." - Mel Gibson as Porter, "Payback" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-smp Sat Oct 16 15: 1: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [216.240.39.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B4B91548B for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 1472 invoked by uid 100); 16 Oct 1999 22:00:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Oct 1999 22:00:52 -0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 15:00:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Meyer To: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-Reply-To: <3808F449.CE63C6E6@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Doug wrote: ;->> On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, David Scheidt wrote: ;->> ;->On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: ;->> ;->Hire good admins? ;->> Which leads to the obvious next question: anyone know a good way to ;->> find (and keep) good admins? :-) ;-> Pay them what they are worth. You forgot "make sure they have lots of cool tech to play with, and lots of interesting problems to use it on." But those things just help keep them - finding them is still the hard part. ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10298; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:33:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMP on 4 Pentium III(450NX) failed In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:44:47 PDT." Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:33:48 -0700 Message-ID: <10294.940131228@localhost> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > That's the best I've run into as well. Extensive use of such tools as > rdist or rsync helps a lot. Even better is using a SCM tool as a > distribution mechanism, though that's stretching things a bit. It just > seems like there ought to be a better way. The problem seems to be that every reasonably competent admin seems to write his or her own tools for "cluster" syncronization and management but few bother to refine them to the extent that they're generally palatable to others. We're about 5 or 6 machines short of a "respectable" cluster of 32 or so general-purpose machines at freebsd.org but could rectify this problem fairly quickly if there were to arise a group of people interested in "tackling the clustering problem", generally speaking. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message