From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Feb 27 5:13:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from radagast.wizard.net (radagast.wizard.net [206.161.15.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA4E37B5BD for ; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tyson@stanfordalumni.org) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (tc1-s26.wizard.net [206.161.15.56]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA31260; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 08:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <38B92303.82951A2F@stanfordalumni.org> Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:13:39 +0000 From: -- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: re: talk about cd's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lanny, I take your point that a for-profit enterprise needs to sell its wares, not give them away, if it intends to stay in business. Nevertheless, giving away product is a time-tested and (if done well) successful way to build market share by building knowledge about the product and enthusiasm for it among new users and potential users. Why else do grocery stores offer tasting samples? Why do stores offer ``loss leaders?'' As to your .sig line, the days when the phone company could do anything it wanted to do are long gone, if they don't want to lose business to competitors. Look around you. Where I live Bell Atlantic offers free or reduced cost installation and equipment for DSL service and ``free'' caller ID boxes to build business. Those things won't remain free very long, you can be sure, but right now the offers are good for business. Cheers, Don Tyson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 28 0:42:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A3937B771 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:42:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15583; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: kc5vdj@swbell.net Cc: scrappy@hub.org (The Hermit Hacker), karsten@rohrbach.de, chuckr@picnic.mat.net, mbac@nyct.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: idea: official hardware manufacturer blacklist - let's wake em up! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:25:18 CST." <200002280825.CAA47081@ppp-207-193-186-1.kscymo.swbell.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 00:38:54 -0800 Message-ID: <15580.951727134@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 1. Please move this to freebsd-advocacy; it's NOT a topic which is apropos to the freebsd-hackers mailing list. Thank you. 2. I doubt that anyone would support the creation of a "rogue's gallery" of non-vendors anywhere at www.freebsd.org, so if anyone wants to do this then they're going to have to do it outside the project. If you're doing it outside the project then there's also no need to debate the whole point on -advocacy or any other mailing list first, just go right ahead and do it. If it's a good idea, it will succeed on its own merits. If it's not, it won't. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 28 1:21:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88F6237B551 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 01:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 86575 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Feb 2000 09:21:25 -0000 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:21:25 +0100 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: kc5vdj@swbell.net, The Hermit Hacker , chuckr@picnic.mat.net, mbac@nyct.net, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: idea: official hardware manufacturer blacklist - let's wake em up! Message-ID: <20000228102125.A85765@rohrbach.de> Reply-To: karsten@rohrbach.de References: <200002280825.CAA47081@ppp-207-193-186-1.kscymo.swbell.net> <15580.951727134@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <15580.951727134@zippy.cdrom.com>; from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com on Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 12:38:54AM -0800 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-Sender: karsten@rohrbach.de Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG will do *snort* ;-) /k Jordan K. Hubbard(jkh@zippy.cdrom.com)@Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 12:38:54AM -0800: > 1. Please move this to freebsd-advocacy; it's NOT a topic which is > apropos to the freebsd-hackers mailing list. Thank you. > > 2. I doubt that anyone would support the creation of a "rogue's gallery" > of non-vendors anywhere at www.freebsd.org, so if anyone wants to > do this then they're going to have to do it outside the project. > > If you're doing it outside the project then there's also no need to > debate the whole point on -advocacy or any other mailing list > first, just go right ahead and do it. If it's a good idea, it will > succeed on its own merits. If it's not, it won't. :) > > - Jordan -- > "Dort wo andere Moral besitzen hat sie ein Loch." -- Erich Kaestner http://www.webmonster.de http://www.apache.de http://www.splatterworld.de (NIC-HDL KR433/KR11-RIPE) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Feb 28 2:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mgw-out.comptel.com (mgw-out.comptel.com [195.237.145.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FFF37B7B9 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 02:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stefan.parvu@comptel.com) Received: from ctlfw1 ([195.237.145.97]) by mgw-out.comptel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:12:24 +0200 Received: from mgw-in.comptel.com ([192.102.20.150]) by ctlfw1.comptel.com; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:11:16 +0000 (EET) Received: from comptel.com ([195.237.135.174]) by mgw-in.comptel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:12:23 +0200 Message-ID: <38BA4A68.B9D6F954@comptel.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:14:00 +0200 From: stefan parvu Reply-To: stefan.parvu@comptel.com Organization: Comptel PLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Rationale support? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all, Do we have a starting point for a proposal to Rational for a porting,of ClearCase and Purify tools on FreeBSD 3.x or 4.x? I think they are,doing an official port to Linux for ClearCase. We must try, I think, to,propose them this, as a native port. I'm writing from Helsinki, Finland and believe me people never heard,about BSD OS (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD) at all. Here everybody is using,Linux, (coming from Helsinki) and I think that for FreeBSD we need more,effort in this way. thanks,Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 29 4:46:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77DF837BAE4 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA25808 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:46:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Steven Grady: MacOS X (or "I can't believe it's not UNIX!") Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 04:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: <25804.951828368@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Something I thought you guys might find interesting.. ------- Forwarded Message Subject: MacOS X (or "I can't believe it's not UNIX!") From: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu (Steven Grady) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <44935.951809024.1@scam.XCF.Berkeley.EDU> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:23:45 -0800 Sender: grady@scam.xcf.berkeley.edu I have the opportunity to play with MacOS X, and since I hadn't heard any discussion here about it, I thought I'd give my impressions. A colleague used the phrase "I can't believe it's not UNIX!" which I thought was funny, but it's wrong. It _is_ UNIX, a mishmash of BSD versions, plus some Mach thrown in. The information about the architecture is available elsewhere, but I gotta say, the experience just tickled me. From the start, where you can boot in "verbose" mode (i.e. you get to see the kernel messages), to the opening of the terminal emulator (the default shell is tcsh), to the fact that ssh2 ungzipped, untarred, configured, and compiled, without a hitch, to the fact that I can use "ps guxw" to my heart's content, to the experience of telnetting in and seeing "4.4 BSD" at the login prompt... Ahh, it's like sitting down in an easy chair to re-read a favorite book. Meanwhile, the interface is flashy, to say the least. Of course, I'd prefer to just hook up a vt100 to a serial port, but we don't have any in the office, so I'll make do with Aqua. Everything slides, throbs, morphs, and mutates all over the place. Heavy use of translucency, growing and shrinking, and other things that are computationally intensive, just to make the interface look nice. For the most part, it works, although the weirdest stuff is distracting (icons that grow as the mouse moves over them, windows that funnel down to the icons), but you can turn off some of it. A few other clever things -- the preferences screen has "editing locked" until you type the root password for certain operations (the usual -- changing the date, setting up networking, etc.) The MacOS 9 operation is impressive (although still buggy) -- you can run OS 9 in an emulation mode that works pretty well, and you can choose whether to run it windowed or integrated with the rest of the applications (and the OS 9 Finder knows about the OS X apps; tricky business, that). One of the interesting things is the fact that it uses devfs, the virtual device filesystem developed for FreeBSD by Julian Elischer. Julian wasn't able to get it into the standard FreeBSD core, but it made it into the Mac. Pretty cool. Also, I was slightly miffed to see that /etc/rc ends with "exit 0" rather than "sh /etc/rc.local" (I think) -- my guess is that although they're happy enough to use UNIX as a base, they don't want their customers going behind the curtain. But I can use the _real_ vi on a Mac. That makes up for a lot. (I haven't tried compiling Emacs yet.) Anyway, it's interesting. It's too bad the cool new stuff (i.e. Aqua etc.) is not open source, but I have to say that I could envision getting a G4 rather than x86 for my next BSD system... If people have specific questions, I can probably answer them. Steven "I haven't time to go chasing after him! There's violence to be done!" ------- End of Forwarded Message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Feb 29 7:43:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.onsea.com (p4Es03a01.client.global.net.uk [195.147.131.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3111337BB94 for ; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dozprompt@onsea.com) Received: from localhost (dozprompt@localhost) by merlin.onsea.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02035; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:43:05 GMT (envelope-from dozprompt@onsea.com) X-Authentication-Warning: merlin.onsea.com: dozprompt owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:43:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Cliff Rowley To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Steven Grady: MacOS X (or "I can't believe it's not UNIX!") In-Reply-To: <25804.951828368@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have the opportunity to play with MacOS X, and since I hadn't > heard any discussion here about it, I thought I'd give my impressions. And thanks :) I've been an x86 man forever, but my interest in Mac has been growing (funnily enough since I heard about OS X), but I've not had the chance to get anywhere near anything that resembles it. Thanks for the insight, I might just buy a G4 ;) Cliff Rowley - while (!asleep) { code(); } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 3 15: 5:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5EE37BB6B for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16719; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:15:42 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:15:39 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: advocacy@freebsd.org, advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: [Slashdot] BSD usage in education Message-ID: <20000303221539.A92735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys [ hoping I don't have to be subscribed to advocacy@{netbsd,openbsd} to post ] Hopefully many of you will have seen the recent Slashdot story, "Tux on the Upper West Side" (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/03/033231) about the use of Linux in the Beacon School, New York. In the interests of BSD balance, we're looking for similar stories with a BSD element to them for a followup. Simply "My school uses $BSD, and it's great" isn't really going to cut it though. What I'm after is examples that will appeal to Slashdot's mainly technical audience. So something like "OpenBSD was installed at $FOO School, and now we have two committers from that class, they helped fix three security problems" would be a bit more like it. Cheers, N -- If you want to imagine the future, imagine a tennis shoe stamping on a penguin's face forever. --- with apologies to George Orwell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 3 16: 4:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDB037B679; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:04:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22202; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:35:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:35:27 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Nik Clayton Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: [Slashdot] BSD usage in education Message-ID: <20000303163527.R14279@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000303221539.A92735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000303221539.A92735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 10:15:39PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Nik Clayton [000303 15:37] wrote: > Hi guys > > [ hoping I don't have to be subscribed to advocacy@{netbsd,openbsd} to post ] > > Hopefully many of you will have seen the recent Slashdot story, "Tux on > the Upper West Side" (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/03/033231) > about the use of Linux in the Beacon School, New York. > > In the interests of BSD balance, we're looking for similar stories with a > BSD element to them for a followup. > > Simply "My school uses $BSD, and it's great" isn't really going to cut it > though. What I'm after is examples that will appeal to Slashdot's mainly > technical audience. So something like "OpenBSD was installed at $FOO > School, and now we have two committers from that class, they helped fix > three security problems" would be a bit more like it. This is sort of a advice/warning piece to advocates looking to get BSD into a school... I've tried a couple of times to get FreeBSD into NYC public schools. I gave a presentation or two (setup www, X, some accounts, showed some of the IDEs and free programs available) and promised phone support and remote administration for free (your kernel hacker is just a phone call away). I even bought the guy a PowerPack and brought in spare 3.0 cdroms to put in the library (which i'm pretty sure never made it there). After a while of being put off, I was told something like: "Albert, we are more intested in LINNEX" arrrgh! Yes that was the director of computer services misspelling both my name and Linux, I guess installing an operating system because of hype which you know nothing about, is more important than having someone offering free support. I've talked to many other directors in the school system and had very little luck convincing them that there was more to computers than "Mavis Becon Teaches Typing" and MS-Qbasic. I almost cried when a teacher showed me his "solution" to students wiping out system files on the MS-DOS machines they were using... some lame hidden directory stuff along with xcopy. ugh! The only place I thought I'd have some luck was at Stuyvesant, where they are pretty technical, however it seems to already be a Linux shop although they did have some interest in FreeBSD. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if the administrator seems blinded by 'LINNEX' or in love with NT, then don't waste too much time, it's going to be pretty fustrating, move on or try to find someone else who's actually interested in learning. I haven't given up on bootstrapping some school with BSD, I'm just not going to put so much effort into it if they seem reluctant. To give these guys some credit, it's just that they are usually _so swamped_ with supporting the Microsoft junk around them and making sure not to violate any licenses that you'd be hard pressed to hold a conversation with one of the admins for more than 3-4 minutes without some 'issue' cropping up. Avoid these harried admins and try to find someone with _some_ authority who will actually put aside the time and equipment for you to give a proper presentation. Yes, I'm somewhat bitter but I may try again sometime soon. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 3 16: 8:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E86337B699; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jr@paranoia.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.106.171] (helo=pig.bigmama.xx) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12R27g-000DkP-00; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:08:45 +0000 Received: from gazelle.bigmama.xx (gazelle.bigmama.xx [192.168.118.2]) by pig.bigmama.xx (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA03633; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:40:08 +0100 Received: from gazelle.bigmama.xx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gazelle.bigmama.xx (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA51457; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 01:07:05 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200003040007.BAA51457@gazelle.bigmama.xx> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 (FreeBSD) To: Nik Clayton Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org, advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: [Slashdot] BSD usage in education In-Reply-To: <20000303221539.A92735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Comment: Original message from Nik Clayton dated Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:15:39 +0000. X-Face: #Po0_m3z*iRKljKHjhATgQN+F!N+U5>e~\Nq;huNtQ}e95nk}9VH-w|FzO`92A%L6$XGb}jsiS4oI<%<)2ec}-p)6]:H;,z@z=7-d{,u74\uTIQx,|k9QrS+!7E),Ae?Dq_96>ZLRB(#O-em'go!{+Y8?k^MKHTAWE X-Image-Url: http://www.paranoia.demon.nl/jrsm.gif X-Pgp-Key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9EF951A5 X-Url: http://www.paranoia.demon.nl Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 01:07:05 +0100 From: John Russell Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: MD5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Fri, 03 Mar 2000 22:15:39 +0000 Nik Clayton wrote the following about "[Slashdot] BSD usage in education " > Hi guys > > [ hoping I don't have to be subscribed to advocacy@{netbsd,openbsd} to post ] > > Hopefully many of you will have seen the recent Slashdot story, "Tux on > the Upper West Side" (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/03/03/033231) > about the use of Linux in the Beacon School, New York. Nope, but I just now went and scanned it. > In the interests of BSD balance, we're looking for similar stories with a > BSD element to them for a followup. > > Simply "My school uses $BSD, and it's great" isn't really going to cut it > though. What I'm after is examples that will appeal to Slashdot's mainly > technical audience. So something like "OpenBSD was installed at $FOO > School, and now we have two committers from that class, they helped fix > three security problems" would be a bit more like it. I suppose my information won't cut it then but consider this an FYI. I will be installing from the ground up an Ethernet with Internet access at a elementary school in my town with some 400 students. Internet access is to be limited to the two highest levels (about 60 students). Right now we are only waiting for some of the hardware to be delivered before beginning. Based on experience I guess I will start ( alone BTW :( ) sometime in May when the equipment is ready and I can find the time to donate. My original intention was to use Linux as the server because the ISDN card is (and it appears always will be) unsupported by the i4b group. However I made this decision six months ago and I have now decided to use BSD (FreeBSD to be specific) as the server even if it means donating an ISDN card myself. Of the 20 or so PCs to be used as workstations, about half of them will have BSD installed as the OS (the rest will be Windows 95/98. Since this is "good publicity" for BSD, I will keep notes of the progress and keep the Advocacy lists updated. After the project is complete I will write a summary of the setup, hurdles overcome, etc. Regards, John -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: Public key available from key server. iD8DBQE4wFOpxywzC575UaURAfVpAKCXGZuK/EHWqzGmra+00X67VC3wmwCgnz3E jWKTP+fNk8pO+vL0ZzEmK6Q= =Vmek -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Mar 3 18:19: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (fb01.eng00.mindspring.net [207.69.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107E537B742; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com (smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by fb01.eng00.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA26809; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from confusion.net (user-2iveamt.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.42.221]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16303; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 21:17:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38C07173.F39DC1D@confusion.net> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 21:14:11 -0500 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Nik Clayton , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org Subject: Re: [Slashdot] BSD usage in education References: <20000303221539.A92735@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000303163527.R14279@fw.wintelcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yea, Stuy did have some theoretical potential. A few months back I was talking with some people about getting FreeBSD into stuy. The word there was, and still is, that though they'd love a copy of The Complete FreeBSD or some free cds to give to kids to try, they're gonna stick with debian. The guy who makes these decisions, Mike Zamansky, was at one point a BSD user, but the lawsuits happened when this choice had to be made, so it was Linux or nada. The reason they didn't switch back? Basically, everyone got used to Linux, and there's no real reason to switch (let's face it, the non-esthetic reasons to use FreeBSD don't quite matter at a low demand installation, we're not needing lots of speed). That and we've now got lots of kids who can admin linux, while the FreeBSD contingent is basically me and a few others (Spike Gronim, who used to lurk on these lists, but made the switch to debian to admin for the school). Me, I try to help them with Linux some. I was pushing to get something on BSD, and that day may come some day, but not yet. Oh well. I've ranted enough. Back to being depressed (a test on our senior cut day!!!!!!!*!*!*!*!) My $.01 (2 cents being saved for intelligent comments) Laurence Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > The only place I thought I'd have some luck was at Stuyvesant, > where they are pretty technical, however it seems to already be a > Linux shop although they did have some interest in FreeBSD. > > -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 The above email Copyright (C) 2000 Laurence Berland All rights reserved To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 4 12:17:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vivien.franken.de (vivien.franken.de [194.94.249.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D0137B885 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:17:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@vivien.franken.de) Received: (from alex@localhost) by vivien.franken.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id VAA07950 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:17:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 21:17:05 +0100 From: Alexander Goller To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Rich Site Summary Message-ID: <20000304211705.C78613@vivien.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, after hubertf announced NetBSD channels in Rich Site Summary on daemonnews i think it's a good idea to have something like that too. I spoke to the guy yesterday and i have used RSS before to create a few custom newstickers for personal use. I've played with RSS before and consider it a good thing to use, benefits are that a daemonnews, /. or Netscape Netcenter user would be able to display FreeBSD news on his private entry page there. Information on RSS: RSS-0.91 Information http://my.netscape.com/publish/help/mnn20/quickstart.html Who's using RSS for their 'channels' display: afaik only: /., freshmeat, daemonnews, Netscape portal site. An example how it might look like when rendered to html on daemonnews etc.: http://vivien.franken.de/freebsd_rss.html An example .rdf file containing the xml: http://vivien.franken.de/freebsd.rdf I still don't know where to retrieve all the news, maybe somebody could give me a hint what to include and where to find it. bye, alex -- Alexander 'decay' Goller e-mail: alex@vivien.franken.de decay on ircnet pgp - 2048/09314EBD pgp - 98 A8 0A DD 4B 8E 92 52 05 D0 CA 8E D7 87 B3 B3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Mar 4 18: 6:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vivien.franken.de (vivien.franken.de [194.94.249.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0194537B908 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:06:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@vivien.franken.de) Received: (from alex@localhost) by vivien.franken.de (8.9.3/8.9.2) id DAA09446 for advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:06:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 03:06:16 +0100 From: Alexander Goller To: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rich Site Summary Message-ID: <20000305030616.D78613@vivien.franken.de> References: <20000304211705.C78613@vivien.franken.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000304211705.C78613@vivien.franken.de>; from alex@vivien.franken.de on Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 09:17:05PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 09:17:05PM +0100, Alexander Goller wrote: > Hi, > > after hubertf announced NetBSD channels in Rich Site Summary on > daemonnews i think it's a good idea to have something like that too. > I spoke to the guy yesterday and i have used RSS before to create > a few custom newstickers for personal use. > I've played with RSS before and consider it a good thing to use, > benefits are that a daemonnews, /. or Netscape Netcenter user would > be able to display FreeBSD news on his private entry page there. > > Information on RSS: > RSS-0.91 Information > http://my.netscape.com/publish/help/mnn20/quickstart.html > > Who's using RSS for their 'channels' display: > afaik only: /., freshmeat, daemonnews, Netscape portal site. > > An example how it might look like when rendered to html on > daemonnews etc.: > > http://vivien.franken.de/freebsd_rss.html > > An example .rdf file containing the xml: > > http://vivien.franken.de/freebsd.rdf > > I still don't know where to retrieve all the news, maybe somebody > could give me a hint what to include and where to find it. So i created another 'channel' (i don't like that word), anyway, i retrieve http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?type=new&time=1+week+ago&sektion=all and build a freebsd_ports.rdf/html out of that page, that would be the ports added in the last week. see http://vivien.franken.de/freebsd_ports.(rdf|html) bye, alex -- Alexander 'decay' Goller e-mail: alex@vivien.franken.de decay on ircnet pgp - 2048/09314EBD pgp - 98 A8 0A DD 4B 8E 92 52 05 D0 CA 8E D7 87 B3 B3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message