From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 7:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from southern-software.com (rosetta.thundercat.com [203.37.173.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52AB937B764; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 07:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@southern-software.com) Received: from southern-software.com [198.142.196.124] by southern-software.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A855C73A0392; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:20:53 PDT From: info@southern-software.com Reply-To: info@southern-software.com To: info@southern-software.com Subject: Can you please assist ? Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:22:07 PDT Message-Id: <20000618142042.52AB937B764@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ___________________________________________________________ We are a software development company that specializes in security software. For some time now we have been working on developing a Client email program that contains security features never before available. In order for us to make this program the best that it can possibly be, we ask your assistance by taking a few minutes to answer these important questions for us. Which of the following functions do you consider to be important or essential for an email program? For questions 1-7, please rate 1-5. (1 being the least important and 5 being most important). A client email program should have: Question 1: The ability to prevent certain attachments that may possibly be carrying a virus. (This allows you to accept only safe attachments) Importance Rating______ Question 2: Automatic searching for file attachments that have been renamed or tampered with. (Virus senders can rename vbs files to txt files hoping you will open them) Importance Rating______ Question 3: The ability to limit the size of incoming email and attachments. (Reduce time wasted downloading large files, graphics, audio files, jokes, etc.) Importance Rating______ Question 4: The ability to select the size of outgoing emails and attachments. (Saves bandwidth as large files are roughly doubled when transferred by email). Importance Rating______ Question 5: An encrypted Address Book. (This will stop worm viruses sending copies of itself to your clients and/or friends). Importance Rating______ Question 6: The ability to restrict the number of attachments and size of attachments sent or received. And the ability to the restrict types of attachments received. (Gives control to employers and eliminate privacy issues arising). Importance Rating______ Question 7: A viewable log file containing information such as; email deleted without being opened, when email was downloaded, when email was read (opened), if email was forwarded or replied to etc. (Mail management and accountability at a glance) Importance Rating______ Question 8: Has your company been the victim of a computer virus attack? Yes/No ________ Question 9: If yes to question 8, approximately how many hours did it take to fix the problem? Hours ________ Question 10: If an email program was developed with the above security features, would you be interested in trialing a free demonstration version? Yes/No ________ Question 11: What percentage of email traffic is personal email? __________% We sincerely thank you for your time in answering these important questions for us. Sincere thanks, Graeme A. Ryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 9: 7:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from WEBSI.com (websi.com [216.156.137.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441F337B6C8; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shashi@WEBSI.com) Received: (from shashi@localhost) by WEBSI.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11464; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from shashi) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:28:28 -0400 From: shashi To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: 4.0 and ppp not working? Message-ID: <20000618122828.A11420@Shift-F1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am not sure exactly which list this belongs to, so I am posting it on net, isp and stable. Forgive me for the extra bandwidth used. I have been using FreeBSD for 3 years now, and touch wood, things have always been smooth enough. So I haven't made much use of the mailing lists. For the current issue I have spent over 5 hours in the archives with no success. I found similar situations but no answers to the problem, at least none that apply to my situation. Here is the description: 1. ppp has always worked for dialing out on previous versions, 2x, 3.2(?) 2. I installed 4.0 from CD 2 days back. I must say there are a few new things that I am not sure of that may have caused problem, maybe? e.g. in install it asked if this machine will be a leaf node. I answered it "NO". Also, is IPv6 or IPsec the cause of any problems? Meaning does that need different handling all over the network commands? 3. this is what I did: % cd /dev % ./MAKEDEV tun0 % cp /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample /etc/ppp/ppp.conf ----- /etc/ppp/ppp.conf after modification: ---- ########################################################### default: set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set device /dev/cuaa1 set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT \ OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set redial 10 5 deny lqr set phone _PHONENUMBERHERE_ set login "ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: _USERID_ word: _PASSWORD_" set timeout 120 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 delete ALL add default HISADDR pmdemand: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 delete ALL set redial 10 20 add default HISADDR enable dns ########################################################### % ppp -ddial pmdemand 4. The thing is the SAME file works on 3.2 with same modem, same jack, same isp. Now, first time, the modem dials, makes connection then it says "Warning: Chat script failed".A After that, I do pppctl and a "quit all", then retry by % ppp -ddial pmdemand and the modem doesn't even ring. and gives the same errors. Any help will be highly appreciated. I am using default kernel right now, and I need ppp to CVS to latest upgrade. Thanks, Shashi Here is ppp.log: ( I have replaced _USERID_, _PASSWORD_ and _PHONENUM_) Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set device /dev/cuaa1 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set speed 115200 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set dial ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 "" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1Q0 OK \dATDT\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set redial 10 5 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: deny lqr Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set phone _PHONE_NUM_ Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set login ABORT NO\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: _USERID_ word: _PASSWORD_ Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set timeout 120 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: delete ALL Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: add default HISADDR Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: default: set server +3000 ******** Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Phase: Listening at port 3000. Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: pmdemand: set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: pmdemand: delete ALL Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: pmdemand: set redial 10 20 Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: pmdemand: add default HISADDR Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[806]: tun0: Command: pmdemand: enable dns Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (ddial mode). Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: Phone: _PHONE_NUM_ Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Jun 18 11:20:44 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Received: AT^M^M Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATE1Q0^M Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Received: ATE1Q0^M^M Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Received: OK^M Jun 18 11:20:45 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: ATDT_PHONE_NUM_^M Jun 18 11:20:47 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(40): CONNECT Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Warning: Chat script failed Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> hangup Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 44 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Sun Jun 18 11:21:28 2000 Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Jun 18 11:21:28 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (10) for redialing. Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Redial timer expired. Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: Phone: _PHONE_NUM_ Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Jun 18 11:21:38 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Jun 18 11:21:43 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Jun 18 11:21:43 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Jun 18 11:21:43 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect timeout Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Warning: Chat script failed Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> hangup Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 10 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Sun Jun 18 11:21:48 2000 Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Jun 18 11:21:48 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (10) for redialing. Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Redial timer expired. Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Phase: Phone: _PHONE_NUM_ Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Send: AT^M Jun 18 11:21:58 ugrads ppp[807]: tun0: Chat: Expect(5): OK ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 9:15:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gnu.IN-Berlin.DE (gnu.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A083637B6C8; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from server.nostromo.in-berlin.de!ripley@servicia.in-berlin.de) Received: from uriela.in-berlin.de (root@servicia.in-berlin.de [193.175.21.3]) by gnu.IN-Berlin.DE (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5IGF8x26268; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:15:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from server.nostromo.in-berlin.de!ripley@servicia.in-berlin.de) Received: by uriela.in-berlin.de (Smail-3.2.0.102 1998-Aug-2 #2) id m133hj1-0058EHC; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:15:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ripley@localhost) by server.nostromo.in-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA05203; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:16:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ripley) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:16:56 +0200 From: "H. Eckert" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jlschwab@uswest.net Subject: Re: Resume... Message-ID: <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> Reply-To: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de References: <003801bfd873$4ba66d20$5a54a0d0@jlschwab.simphost.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <003801bfd873$4ba66d20$5a54a0d0@jlschwab.simphost.com>; from Jason L. Schwab on Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 08:47:05AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > I am 17 years of age. > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a chance to get a real qualification in the near future. Greetings, Ripley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 10:25:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.invisiware.com (www.INVISIware.com [207.228.219.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E493A37B571 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:25:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ryder_a@chasma.net) Received: from 207.228.219.189 (Hydra141-71.Empire.Net [198.144.141.71]) by www.invisiware.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22381; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ryder_a@chasma.net) Message-Id: <200006181726.NAA22381@www.invisiware.com> To: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlschwab@uswest.net Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) Reply-To: ryder_a@chasma.net In-Reply-To: <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> References: <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> From: Andrew Ryder Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:31:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Musashi 3.2.2-us Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What he might consider himself might contradict someone elses opinion of his qualificiations. But age and experience have no relation whatsoever. Granted the typical teenager has lack of direction and works at the local McDonalds/Gas Station, but lets take into consideration the broader perspective. I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some shit LLC) with someone who is 17. We employ over 30 people currently. We have both edited a business plan and have secured 250K for our company so far and have many other offers from angels. Not to mention a formal (and very respected) BOD has been established, many contacts in the industry (including Lucent), 5k of office space. When a CEO of a software company/GM of a radio station and newspaper/CTO of a software company doing network maintainence software for Dell and HP/ Accounts Executive (of 20 years) from People Magazine want to help out, and read your business plan and think it's awesome - you know that you're going in the right direction. Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience but we can sure run a company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. I got my break when I was 15 and got a 'waved' to work in a company hiring only kids with HS diplomas. Received a great letter of recommendation. Telling me teenagers can't do anything, or college degrees are required to go anywhere in life, then you're missing the reality track on the record of life. If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. The fortunate company who gives the boy a chance would benefit from his loyalty because they gave him the chance. He wants to grow his skills in a real world situation and is willing to 'survive bootcamp' of a mentor/ teacher. He's alot more openminded to going places than adults/people who think teenagers should just go run the fryer. [Jun/17/2000Sat 19:16] > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > Greetings, > Ripley > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > /* Andrew Ryder - ryder_a@chasma.net * Chief Technology Officer * Chasma, Inc * http://www.chasma.net */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 10:43:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDE437B61D for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:43:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA48489; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:41:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006181741.LAA48489@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de" , "ryder_a@chasma.net" Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "jlschwab@uswest.net" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:47:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200006181726.NAA22381@www.invisiware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can we please take this off this list? i truly believe many of us don't want to hear this. PS: Although, I agree with you somewhat, LLC isn't shit and you register Inc just as easily as LLC (you pay someone to do it). -Simon On Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:31:11 -0600, Andrew Ryder wrote: >What he might consider himself might contradict someone elses opinion of >his qualificiations. But age and experience have no relation whatsoever. >Granted the typical teenager has lack of direction and works at the local >McDonalds/Gas Station, but lets take into consideration the broader >perspective. > >I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some >shit LLC) with someone who is 17. We employ over 30 people currently. We >have both edited a business plan and have secured 250K for our company so >far and have many other offers from angels. Not to mention a formal (and >very respected) BOD has been established, many contacts in the industry >(including Lucent), 5k of office space. > >When a CEO of a software company/GM of a radio station and newspaper/CTO of >a software company doing network maintainence software for Dell and HP/ >Accounts Executive (of 20 years) from People Magazine want to help out, and >read your business plan and think it's awesome - you know that you're going >in the right direction. Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience >but we can sure run a company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. > >I got my break when I was 15 and got a 'waved' to work in a company hiring >only kids with HS diplomas. Received a great letter of recommendation. > >Telling me teenagers can't do anything, or college degrees are required to >go anywhere in life, then you're missing the reality track on the record >of life. > >If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by >conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. > >The fortunate company who gives the boy a chance would benefit from his >loyalty because they gave him the chance. He wants to grow his skills in a >real world situation and is willing to 'survive bootcamp' of a mentor/ >teacher. He's alot more openminded to going places than adults/people who >think teenagers should just go run the fryer. > > >[Jun/17/2000Sat 19:16] > >> Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave >> at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a >> chance to get a real qualification in the near future. >> >> Greetings, >> Ripley >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > >/* Andrew Ryder - ryder_a@chasma.net > * Chief Technology Officer > * Chasma, Inc > * http://www.chasma.net > */ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 11:43:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991C137B7ED for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:43:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from workstation.etinc.com (port55.netsvr1.cst.vastnet.net [207.252.73.55]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24094; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006181851.OAA24094@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:48:36 -0400 To: ryder_a@chasma.net, ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de From: Dennis Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlschwab@uswest.net In-Reply-To: <200006181726.NAA22381@www.invisiware.com> References: <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its not your age, but your years of direct experience that matter. Most teens just dont do much. I'll take an 18yo with 2 years of cgi DB programming in a commercial environment over a 23yo with an MBA anyday. They'll cost a lot less and get more done. I have a Degree in business...learned the computer and datacomm stuff after, but I didnt know anything useful when I got out of college. Certainly I was more well-rounded than an 18yo with a narrow understanding of the world, but until you get 2 years of real experience you aint worth anything. Dennis At 01:31 PM 6/18/00 -0600, Andrew Ryder wrote: >What he might consider himself might contradict someone elses opinion of >his qualificiations. But age and experience have no relation whatsoever. >Granted the typical teenager has lack of direction and works at the local >McDonalds/Gas Station, but lets take into consideration the broader >perspective. > >I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some >shit LLC) with someone who is 17. We employ over 30 people currently. We >have both edited a business plan and have secured 250K for our company so >far and have many other offers from angels. Not to mention a formal (and >very respected) BOD has been established, many contacts in the industry >(including Lucent), 5k of office space. > >When a CEO of a software company/GM of a radio station and newspaper/CTO of >a software company doing network maintainence software for Dell and HP/ >Accounts Executive (of 20 years) from People Magazine want to help out, and >read your business plan and think it's awesome - you know that you're going >in the right direction. Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience >but we can sure run a company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. > >I got my break when I was 15 and got a 'waved' to work in a company hiring >only kids with HS diplomas. Received a great letter of recommendation. > >Telling me teenagers can't do anything, or college degrees are required to >go anywhere in life, then you're missing the reality track on the record >of life. > >If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by >conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. > >The fortunate company who gives the boy a chance would benefit from his >loyalty because they gave him the chance. He wants to grow his skills in a >real world situation and is willing to 'survive bootcamp' of a mentor/ >teacher. He's alot more openminded to going places than adults/people who >think teenagers should just go run the fryer. > > >[Jun/17/2000Sat 19:16] > >> Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave >> at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a >> chance to get a real qualification in the near future. >> >> Greetings, >> Ripley >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > >/* Andrew Ryder - ryder_a@chasma.net > * Chief Technology Officer > * Chasma, Inc > * http://www.chasma.net > */ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.etinc.com T1/T3 boards for FreeBSD and Linux Multiport T1/T3 Routers Full-Featured Bandwidth Manager For Linux and FreeBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 11:50:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [63.67.141.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634F537B5FC; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16119; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: James Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compatibility problems with Compaq Proliant/RAID? In-Reply-To: <394C1CD3.9E99DDC0@icorp.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, James wrote: > Btw, the controller card is the Compaq Smart 2DH Array Controller - is it > supported? You'll want to install a 4.0 or 5.0 snapshot. ftp://{releng4,current}.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/ There were various problems with the IDA driver that were fixed after 4.0-RELEASE. -- | Matthew N. Dodd | '78 Datsun 280Z | '75 Volvo 164E | FreeBSD/NetBSD | | winter@jurai.net | 2 x '84 Volvo 245DL | ix86,sparc,pmax | | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | This Space For Rent | ISO8802.5 4ever | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 12:32:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (CFDnet.me.TUNS.Ca [134.190.50.164]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE19537B997 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Received: from localhost (bbmail@localhost) by cfdnet.me.tuns.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA36864; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:29:00 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from bbmail@cfdnet.me.tuns.ca) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:29:00 -0300 (ADT) From: Bryan Bursey To: Andrew Ryder Cc: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlschwab@uswest.net Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) In-Reply-To: <200006181726.NAA22381@www.invisiware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well. This thread no longer seems appropriate for this list. My only comment, before we let this die, would be that, while _some_ younger folks do survive with little or no formal education, this is not 'typical'. The first things I noticed about the original post were the spelling and gramatical errors. Not very 'professional' at all, and not likely to get anyone a job in any industry. Regards, Bryan _______________________________ Bryan Bursey, DEng Dept. of Mechanical Engineering DalTech, Dalhousie University On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Andrew Ryder wrote: > What he might consider himself might contradict someone elses opinion of > his qualificiations. But age and experience have no relation whatsoever. > Granted the typical teenager has lack of direction and works at the local > McDonalds/Gas Station, but lets take into consideration the broader > perspective. > > I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some > shit LLC) with someone who is 17. We employ over 30 people currently. We > have both edited a business plan and have secured 250K for our company so > far and have many other offers from angels. Not to mention a formal (and > very respected) BOD has been established, many contacts in the industry > (including Lucent), 5k of office space. > > When a CEO of a software company/GM of a radio station and newspaper/CTO of > a software company doing network maintainence software for Dell and HP/ > Accounts Executive (of 20 years) from People Magazine want to help out, and > read your business plan and think it's awesome - you know that you're going > in the right direction. Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience > but we can sure run a company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. > > I got my break when I was 15 and got a 'waved' to work in a company hiring > only kids with HS diplomas. Received a great letter of recommendation. > > Telling me teenagers can't do anything, or college degrees are required to > go anywhere in life, then you're missing the reality track on the record > of life. > > If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by > conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. > > The fortunate company who gives the boy a chance would benefit from his > loyalty because they gave him the chance. He wants to grow his skills in a > real world situation and is willing to 'survive bootcamp' of a mentor/ > teacher. He's alot more openminded to going places than adults/people who > think teenagers should just go run the fryer. > > > [Jun/17/2000Sat 19:16] > > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > > > Greetings, > > Ripley > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > /* Andrew Ryder - ryder_a@chasma.net > * Chief Technology Officer > * Chasma, Inc > * http://www.chasma.net > */ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 15:25:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pop.idx.com.au (pop.idx.com.au [203.14.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D868E37B56A; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:24:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from desktop.freebsd.org (tntwc01-3-126.idx.com.au [203.166.3.126]) by pop.idx.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19879; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:24:36 +1000 From: Danny To: "Jason L. Schwab" , , Subject: Re: Resume... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:30:50 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <003801bfd873$4ba66d20$5a54a0d0@jlschwab.simphost.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062008333302.00328@desktop.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I believe if you goto the freebsd website there is a hyperlink for a FreeBSD jobs mailing list. Maybe is called freebsd_jobs@freebsd.org maybe is a more suitable area to most your resume. On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Jason L. Schwab wrote: > >%_Hello Everyone; > > Hi. My name is Jason L. Schwab. How are you doing today? > > Well first of all, let me tell you a lilttle about my self. I am 17 > years of age. I am located in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. I have just > over 5 years of Unix and Linux expereince. I am looking to get alot more > expereince in the internet and/or unix servers area. I am looking todo > this by working for an Internet Service Provder. > > The list below contains a very small portion of my capabilities. > > - Perl Programming > - C/C++ Programming > - HTML Programming > - CGI Programming > - Apache (Complete Configuration) > - DNS / BIND / NAMED Primary/Secondary > - Mail Servers (postfix/sendmail/qmail) > - FTP Servers (wuftpd/ncftpd/proftpd/ftpd-bsd) > - SSH (of course ;)) > - syslogd (logging to outside hosts) > - Kernels and System Upgrades > - Security Knowledge (tripwire/kern.securelevel) > - Firewalls and Networking > - Windows 95/98 Tech. Support > - Unix/Linux Tech. Support (*BSD/Linux Only) > > There is alot more items on that list! Its just a small part of my > capabilities, and I am learning more by the day. One of my favorite > hobbies of mine is remote unix administration, I think its the best job > any one could ever have, so yes I am willing todo remote unix > administration. I am looking todo mainly networking and security. > > As far as my security knowledge is, I have been doing unix and linux > security for just over 3 years now. In this time period I have never had a > security problem ever. Just to test my own security knowledge, I hosted > a machine running BSD and I gave out a public account on it, I emailed > every unix and linux security mailing list with the login information I > had over 500 people trying to breach my security and for the three months > I ran it, no one, not a single person compromised that machine. > > I have worked for an Internet Service Provider before, NMIA.COM, > New Mexico Internet Access, which was strickly temporary employment > which is why I no longer work there. I was doing Client Firewalling, Unix > Programming and alot of misc. tasks. > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. I have ran > two small web hosting companies for friends of mine, I have helped > administrate about a total of 10 small web hosting and unix shell > account servers worldwide. So I have a wide range of > expereince within the unix and linux area. > > Sincerely, > Jason L. Schwab - jlschwab@uswest.net > > > > ---------------------------------------- Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: ---------------------------------------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------ You are not authorized to use my email address for spam or any purpose whatsoever. Remove my email address from your databases immediately and do not attempt to email me in any way. ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 16: 1: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spooky.eis.net.au (spooky.eis.net.au [203.12.171.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D72D37B715 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernie@spooky.eis.net.au) Received: (from ernie@localhost) by spooky.eis.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25115; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:00:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from ernie) From: Ernie Elu Message-Id: <200006182300.JAA25115@spooky.eis.net.au> Subject: Re: 4.0 and ppp not working? In-Reply-To: <20000618122828.A11420@Shift-F1.com> from shashi at "Jun 18, 0 12:28:28 pm" To: shashi@shift-f1.com (shashi) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:00:40 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hello, > I am not sure exactly which list this belongs to, so I am posting it on > net, isp and stable. Forgive me for the extra bandwidth used. > > I have been using FreeBSD for 3 years now, and touch wood, things have > always been smooth enough. So I haven't made much use of the mailing lists. > For the current issue I have spent over 5 hours in the archives with no > success. I found similar situations but no answers to the problem, at least > none that apply to my situation. > > > Here is the description: > > 1. ppp has always worked for dialing out on previous versions, 2x, 3.2(?) ppp has changed a bit here is a working ppp.conf, insert your own phone, login, password at the XXXX ------------------------------- ################################################################# # PPP Sample Configuration File # Originally written by Toshiharu OHNO # Simplified 5/14/1999 by wself@cdrom.com # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/ppp/ppp.conf,v 1.2 1999/08/27 23:24:08 peter Exp $ ################################################################# default: # # Make sure that "device" references the correct serial port # for your modem. (cuaa0 = COM1, cuaa1 = COM2) # set device /dev/cuaa0 set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command set speed 115200 set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATE1L1Q0X1 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT" set timeout 0 set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 add default HISADDR enable dns papchap: # # edit the next three lines and replace the items in caps with # the values which have been assigned by your ISP. # set phone XXXXXX set authname XXXXXX set authkey XXXXXX --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- now in /etc/rc.conf you must have the following: ppp_enable="YES" ppp_nat="NO" As you can see I turn nat off as I have a class-C The main difference is the lack of a default entry, it now uses the papchap entry, and is invoked from rc.conf like other networking. Hope this helps - Ernie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 16:14: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B1F37BADA; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:13:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1088) id B820F2B254; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:13:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:13:55 -0500 From: Dave McKay To: Danny Cc: "Jason L. Schwab" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... Message-ID: <20000618181355.A24317@elvis.mu.org> References: <003801bfd873$4ba66d20$5a54a0d0@jlschwab.simphost.com> <00062008333302.00328@desktop.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <00062008333302.00328@desktop.freebsd.org>; from dannyh@idx.com.au on Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 08:30:50AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually, just post to dice.com, monster.com or headhunter.net, usually the freebsd-jobs lists are for recruiters. > Maybe is called freebsd_jobs@freebsd.org > > maybe is a more suitable area to most your resume. > > On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Jason L. Schwab wrote: > > >%_Hello Everyone; > > > > Hi. My name is Jason L. Schwab. How are you doing today? > > > > Well first of all, let me tell you a lilttle about my self. I am 17 > > years of age. I am located in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. I have just > > over 5 years of Unix and Linux expereince. I am looking to get alot more > > expereince in the internet and/or unix servers area. I am looking todo > > this by working for an Internet Service Provder. Being 17 years of age is going to bring you bias in the field. Also 5 years experience on most resumes means you have 5 years in the field working on live production systems. > > There is alot more items on that list! Its just a small part of my > > capabilities, and I am learning more by the day. One of my favorite > > hobbies of mine is remote unix administration, I think its the best job > > any one could ever have, so yes I am willing todo remote unix > > administration. I am looking todo mainly networking and security. Remote administration is possible, but not plausable, what happens when a server of yours crashes? Termservers are costly in a large production environment. > > > > As far as my security knowledge is, I have been doing unix and linux > > security for just over 3 years now. In this time period I have never had a > > security problem ever. Just to test my own security knowledge, I hosted > > a machine running BSD and I gave out a public account on it, I emailed > > every unix and linux security mailing list with the login information I > > had over 500 people trying to breach my security and for the three months > > I ran it, no one, not a single person compromised that machine. Having scriptkiddies run around on your box is not a test of security. And bugtraq/rootshell are usually around 3 months behind the times. > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. I have ran > > two small web hosting companies for friends of mine, I have helped > > administrate about a total of 10 small web hosting and unix shell > > account servers worldwide. So I have a wide range of > > expereince within the unix and linux area. Be careful how you word these things, some people may take offense to your "wide range" of skills. -- Dave McKay Network Engineer - Google Inc. dave@mu.org - dave@google.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jun 18 22:59:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB70837B762 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 22:59:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8CBF9B01; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:58:56 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC1E5D03 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:58:56 +0800 (PHT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:58:56 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: mod_php3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, i got an error while building the mod_php3 port -- configure: failed program was: #line 11164 "configure" #include "confdefs.h" /* Override any gcc2 internal prototype to avoid an error. */ /* We use char because int might match the return type of a gcc2 builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ char gzgets(); ... building it on FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE, gcc 2.7.2.3 -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 9:46:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ux.accesscom.net (ux.accesscom.net [204.181.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38A0237B90B; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:46:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlistbsd@icorp.net) Received: from p501.accesscom.net (icorp.net [206.160.4.1]) by ux(smtpd 2.1.3) with SMTP id smtp006642 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 00 16:46:00 GMT (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <394E4E37.ED34050@icorp.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:45:43 -0500 From: James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: void@humankind.com Subject: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Content-Length: 1009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm still having problems getting this Proliant 3000R with the Compaq 2DH controller to work properly - I've seen some historical messages indicating people have gotten 3.3 to work incorporating a non-bundled IDA driver; I've also heard that this driver is now integrated in with FreeBSD in the later versions. I'm still running into the following issues: * Booting/installing FreeBSD <4.0 does not recognize the drive array * FBSD 4.0 does recognize the array but either: a) crashes with a "makedev returns non-zero" during install b) won't reboot - saying kernel not found c) crashes during post-install config with all forks causing core dumps I can pull out the raid array and reconfigure the disks on Compaq's on-board scsi and it installs and runs perfectly, so I know it's an issue with the raid card. I'm trying to install the os straight to the raid5 array - I really do not want to have to dedicate a non-raid drive just to work around a bug in the OS. Does anyone have any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 10:14:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from durango.picus.com (durango.picus.com [209.100.20.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8E937BCE3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@picus.com) Received: from arcadia [209.100.20.198] by durango.picus.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id A49254700CE; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:12:50 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:15:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <394E4E37.ED34050@icorp.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James, I've been flipping through messages pretty quickly the last few days, but I could swear that someone responded to this same question not too long ago, suggesting that you (or whomever) use a 4.0 snapshot, rather than the release. Try it, it just might do the trick for you. g'luck, -Troy ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of James ** Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:46 PM ** To: void@humankind.com ** Subject: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? ** ** ** ** I'm still having problems getting this Proliant 3000R with the Compaq ** 2DH controller to work properly - I've seen some historical messages ** indicating people have gotten 3.3 to work incorporating a non-bundled ** IDA driver; I've also heard that this driver is now integrated in with ** FreeBSD in the later versions. I'm still running into the following ** issues: ** ** * Booting/installing FreeBSD <4.0 does not recognize the drive array ** * FBSD 4.0 does recognize the array but either: ** a) crashes with a "makedev returns non-zero" during install ** b) won't reboot - saying kernel not found ** c) crashes during post-install config with all forks causing core ** dumps ** ** I can pull out the raid array and reconfigure the disks on Compaq's ** on-board scsi and it installs and runs perfectly, so I know it's an ** issue with the raid card. ** ** I'm trying to install the os straight to the raid5 array - I really do ** not want to have to dedicate a non-raid drive just to work around a bug ** in the OS. Does anyone have any ideas? ** ** ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 17:12:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF1B37B84E for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (temp19.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.119]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA11197 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:23:16 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00b001bfda4c$bf58c9e0$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: Subject: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:16:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium 166. On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days and there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than the "WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder whether it is a configuration error on my part. Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? regards Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 17:21:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AE037B59D for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA55629; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:19:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006200019.SAA55629@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Tim McCullagh" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:24:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <00b001bfda4c$bf58c9e0$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm not sure what exactly is going on with your machines, but I had the same problem running 3.3-R and 3.4-R on two different machines with the same RAM. Once we replaced the RAM, reboots stopped. Make sure you use quality RAM. If all failes, turn on kernel dump and see if you can take it from there. Usually, hardware is to blame for reboots. When kernel feels that the system is flaky and about to crash, it reboots it instead. PS: did you compile custom kernel? -Simon On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:16:04 +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote: >Hi All > >I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium 166. >On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days and >there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than the >"WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a >hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder >whether it is a configuration error on my part. > >Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? > > >regards > >Tim > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 18:36: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCC937B636 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (temp19.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.119]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12873; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:46:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00d501bfda58$5ca8b240$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: "Simon" , References: <200006200019.SAA55629@mail.fpsn.net> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:39:20 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the reply Simon, No I haven't touched the kernel. I left it as a standard generic kernel for the time being. On one of the machines it has been operating for months without any problems until I did a complete install and trashed my previous 3.4 install. The rebooting has only started since the installation of FreeBSD 4.0 Originally I was thinking it was related to hardware myself, but since I have the same thing happening on multiple different config machines then I was wondering if it was infact that I hadn't configured my install properly Thanks again regards Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: ; "Tim McCullagh" Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 11:24 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Hi, I'm not sure what exactly is going on with your machines, but I had the same problem running 3.3-R and 3.4-R on two different machines with the same RAM. Once we replaced the RAM, reboots stopped. Make sure you use quality RAM. If all failes, turn on kernel dump and see if you can take it from there. Usually, hardware is to blame for reboots. When kernel feels that the system is flaky and about to crash, it reboots it instead. PS: did you compile custom kernel? -Simon On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:16:04 +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote: >Hi All > >I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium 166. >On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days and >there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than the >"WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a >hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder >whether it is a configuration error on my part. > >Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? > > >regards > >Tim > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 18:58:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.amplex.net (bsd.amplex.net [209.57.124.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A6337B989 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from server2 (server3.amplex.net [209.57.124.13]) by bsd.amplex.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e5K1wDo05124 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:58:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Radabaugh - Amplex" To: Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:58:14 -0400 Message-ID: <003801bfda5a$ff115120$0d7c39d1@amplex.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <00b001bfda4c$bf58c9e0$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah - same thing with 4.0. Been meaning to ask about it but it wasn't that important at the time. I was guessing bad hardware so I threw Win2000 on it figuring I would see Blue Screen of Death but so far it keeps on ticking. Is there anything to force more logging from the kernal prior to the reboot? I wouldn't even mind if it spit something on the screen and froze (not on a production machine but while debugging it would be handy).... Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419)833-3635 mark@amplex.net > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Tim McCullagh > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:16 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself > > > Hi All > > I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and > a pentium 166. > On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 > and 3 days and > there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, > other than the > "WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a > hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now > makes me wonder > whether it is a configuration error on my part. > > Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? > > > regards > > Tim > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 19: 3:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E40737B5B5 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA56066; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:01:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006200201.UAA56066@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Tim McCullagh" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:07:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <00d501bfda58$5ca8b240$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should definately compile a custom kernel and see if the problem persists. I have 4.0-R/4.0-S running for days, not a single reboot. -Simon On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:39:20 +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote: >Thanks for the reply Simon, > >No I haven't touched the kernel. I left it as a standard generic kernel for >the time being. On one of the machines it has been operating for months >without any problems until I did a complete install and trashed my previous >3.4 install. The rebooting has only started since the installation of >FreeBSD 4.0 Originally I was thinking it was related to hardware myself, >but since I have the same thing happening on multiple different config >machines then I was wondering if it was infact that I hadn't configured my >install properly > > >Thanks again > >regards > >Tim > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Simon" >To: ; "Tim McCullagh" >Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2000 11:24 >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself > > >Hi, > >I'm not sure what exactly is going on with your machines, but I had the same >problem running 3.3-R and 3.4-R on two >different machines with the same RAM. Once we replaced the RAM, reboots >stopped. Make sure you use quality RAM. >If all failes, turn on kernel dump and see if you can take it from there. >Usually, hardware is to blame for reboots. When >kernel feels that the system is flaky and about to crash, it reboots it >instead. > >PS: did you compile custom kernel? > >-Simon > >On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:16:04 +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote: > >>Hi All >> >>I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium >166. >>On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days >and >>there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than >the >>"WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a >>hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder >>whether it is a configuration error on my part. >> >>Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? >> >> >>regards >> >>Tim >> >> >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 21:37:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ux.accesscom.net (ux.accesscom.net [204.181.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE7F137B794 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:37:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlistbsd@icorp.net) Received: from p501.accesscom.net (icorp.net [206.160.4.1]) by ux(smtpd 2.1.3) with SMTP id smtp001463 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 00 04:37:28 GMT (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <394EF4EF.FDBD3928@icorp.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:37:04 -0500 From: James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: troy@picus.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? X-Priority: 1 (Highest) References: Content-Length: 2807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Snapshot doesn't work. I booted and installed from 4.0-20000619-STABLE and still NO GO. It went through the entire installation and then reported that no kernel was found. Can ANYONE verify that they have managed to get the Compaq SmartRAID controller running under FreeBSD 4.0? I know that earlier versions were hacked (i.e. 3.4 with wd0 controllers) to work, but I think the ida driver bundled with 4.0 does not support the SmartRaid controllers - it's a shame because it seems to be a minor error - the array is recognized; the filesystem is created successfully but something is messed up during setting up of the kernel - this is driving me crazy - any info anyone can provide would be *greatly* appreciated - and it save someone from getting hit by a flying Compaq (proprietary piece of sh*t) raid controller. Troy Settle wrote: > James, > > I've been flipping through messages pretty quickly the last few days, but I > could swear that someone responded to this same question not too long ago, > suggesting that you (or whomever) use a 4.0 snapshot, rather than the > release. > > Try it, it just might do the trick for you. > > g'luck, > > -Troy > > ** -----Original Message----- > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of James > ** Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:46 PM > ** To: void@humankind.com > ** Subject: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? > ** > ** > ** > ** I'm still having problems getting this Proliant 3000R with the Compaq > ** 2DH controller to work properly - I've seen some historical messages > ** indicating people have gotten 3.3 to work incorporating a non-bundled > ** IDA driver; I've also heard that this driver is now integrated in with > ** FreeBSD in the later versions. I'm still running into the following > ** issues: > ** > ** * Booting/installing FreeBSD <4.0 does not recognize the drive array > ** * FBSD 4.0 does recognize the array but either: > ** a) crashes with a "makedev returns non-zero" during install > ** b) won't reboot - saying kernel not found > ** c) crashes during post-install config with all forks causing core > ** dumps > ** > ** I can pull out the raid array and reconfigure the disks on Compaq's > ** on-board scsi and it installs and runs perfectly, so I know it's an > ** issue with the raid card. > ** > ** I'm trying to install the os straight to the raid5 array - I really do > ** not want to have to dedicate a non-raid drive just to work around a bug > ** in the OS. Does anyone have any ideas? > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 22: 2:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ux.accesscom.net (ux.accesscom.net [204.181.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B93437B510 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlistbsd@icorp.net) Received: from p501.accesscom.net (icorp.net [206.160.4.1]) by ux(smtpd 2.1.3) with SMTP id smtp005221 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 00 05:00:33 GMT (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <394EFA59.3B59080F@icorp.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:00:09 -0500 From: James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Kent Cc: troy@picus.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? References: Content-Length: 3981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please excuse me. I'm not someone who has the time to twink kernels and debug device drivers. I use FreeBSD because it's stable and once it's running, I can focus on higher-level tasks. I'm not familiar with CVS - I'd prefer to have someone spend more than 12 seconds (say 3 minutes - which could yield some actual helpful info other than RTFM) - Sorry, but I'm pretty fried after 24+ hours of wrestling with this. More substantive help is most appreciated and shallow suggestions on what else to try isn't well received after I've probably sucked 30 gig from the ftp site trying to get this thing working already. Tim Kent wrote: > why dont you do a cvsup/make world instead > look at handbook for details > > tim. > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, James wrote: > > > Snapshot doesn't work. I booted and installed from 4.0-20000619-STABLE and > > still NO GO. It went through the entire installation and then reported that no > > kernel was found. > > > > Can ANYONE verify that they have managed to get the Compaq SmartRAID controller > > running under FreeBSD 4.0? I know that earlier versions were hacked (i.e. 3.4 > > with wd0 controllers) to work, but I think the ida driver bundled with 4.0 does > > not support the SmartRaid controllers - it's a shame because it seems to be a > > minor error - the array is recognized; the filesystem is created successfully > > but something is messed up during setting up of the kernel - this is driving me > > crazy - any info anyone can provide would be *greatly* appreciated - and it > > save someone from getting hit by a flying Compaq (proprietary piece of sh*t) > > raid controller. > > > > Troy Settle wrote: > > > > > James, > > > > > > I've been flipping through messages pretty quickly the last few days, but I > > > could swear that someone responded to this same question not too long ago, > > > suggesting that you (or whomever) use a 4.0 snapshot, rather than the > > > release. > > > > > > Try it, it just might do the trick for you. > > > > > > g'luck, > > > > > > -Troy > > > > > > ** -----Original Message----- > > > ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of James > > > ** Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:46 PM > > > ** To: void@humankind.com > > > ** Subject: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** I'm still having problems getting this Proliant 3000R with the Compaq > > > ** 2DH controller to work properly - I've seen some historical messages > > > ** indicating people have gotten 3.3 to work incorporating a non-bundled > > > ** IDA driver; I've also heard that this driver is now integrated in with > > > ** FreeBSD in the later versions. I'm still running into the following > > > ** issues: > > > ** > > > ** * Booting/installing FreeBSD <4.0 does not recognize the drive array > > > ** * FBSD 4.0 does recognize the array but either: > > > ** a) crashes with a "makedev returns non-zero" during install > > > ** b) won't reboot - saying kernel not found > > > ** c) crashes during post-install config with all forks causing core > > > ** dumps > > > ** > > > ** I can pull out the raid array and reconfigure the disks on Compaq's > > > ** on-board scsi and it installs and runs perfectly, so I know it's an > > > ** issue with the raid card. > > > ** > > > ** I'm trying to install the os straight to the raid5 array - I really do > > > ** not want to have to dedicate a non-raid drive just to work around a bug > > > ** in the OS. Does anyone have any ideas? > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > ** > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 22:48:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ux.accesscom.net (ux.accesscom.net [204.181.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA35F37B568 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:48:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlistbsd@icorp.net) Received: from p501.accesscom.net (icorp.net [206.160.4.1]) by ux(smtpd 2.1.3) with SMTP id smtp014364 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 00 05:48:34 GMT (envelope-from ) Message-ID: <394F0599.2D4EA6C8@icorp.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:48:10 -0500 From: James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Alternatives?? References: <394EFA59.3B59080F@icorp.net> Content-Length: 2577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone recommend a suitable alternative RAID controller that will work in a Compaq Proliant 3000R? I'm having some problems finding compatibility with the hot-swap drive cage's 68-pin open connectors and 40MB/s transfer rate. What is the best non-compaq controller (AMI, DPT, Mylex? What model??) that will work without the nightmares I've had - I'll pay whatever as long as I don't spend long-ass nights trying to hack this proprietary Compaq machine any further than necessary? As a side note, what hardware is ftp.freebsd.org running on? They claim to be running hardware RAID 5 - what controller? I just want something that will work - my brain is sooo fried. On the topic of trying to get the Compaq SmartRAID running on FreeBSD 4.0, I think I'm basically giving up. I am assuming at this time 4.0 does not seem to support the Compaq Smart raid controllers - even though there does seem to be a device driver for this controller, it must not be functioning. I'm open to any ideas on this issue. Here's my situation: Compaq Proliant 3000R with Smart 2HD 2-channel raid scsi The system works fine with the on-board scsi but I cannot install ANY version of FreeBSD from the ide cdrom. I've heard that the Compaq (proprietary piece of crap) raid controller takes over resources reserved for the ide interface and creates compatibility problems - I've also heard there is a "hack" for 3.4 to use the controller at the expense of making all atapi devices inoperable. I've tried everything short of the 3.4 hack - I will reluctantly go back to an older version because it may have more support - ironic when there does seem to be a driver that recognizes the controll but doesn't function properly. I've tried to install 3.3-4.0 via ftp and it fails to produce a kernel on the system. I've tried to install the current 4.0 snapshot - it fails with a message saying "trying to link the kernel but not found - you'll have a very hard time getting the hard drive to boot without a kernel". I can't try any manual copying becuase the holographic shell doesn't have any commands that I can find to mount devices or even copy files - that's probably my ignorance of how to hack the post-install environment - any ideas? In any case, I'll gladly trash this Compaq controller in favor of something which will perform better, handle the Compaq's hot swap drive cage and do at least the 40M/s transfer rate of the scsi plane - money is not an issue as long as it works. Productive suggestions will be rewarded with a very large array of good kharma - guaranteed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 22:58:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1429837B5D2; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:58:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dg@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20248; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:49:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006200549.WAA20248@implode.root.com> To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Alternatives?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:48:10 CDT." <394F0599.2D4EA6C8@icorp.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:49:08 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Can anyone recommend a suitable alternative RAID controller that will work in a Compaq >Proliant 3000R? I'm having some problems finding compatibility with the hot-swap drive >cage's 68-pin open connectors and 40MB/s transfer rate. What is the best non-compaq >controller (AMI, DPT, Mylex? What model??) that will work without the nightmares I've >had - I'll pay whatever as long as I don't spend long-ass nights trying to hack this >proprietary Compaq machine any further than necessary? > >As a side note, what hardware is ftp.freebsd.org running on? They claim to be running >hardware RAID 5 - what controller? I just want something that will work - my brain is >sooo fried. ftp.freebsd.org (actually ftp.freesoftware.com) is using TeraSolutions TSR-2200 RAID storage systems, which have at their heart TeraSolutions TRC-22 RAID controllers. I'd be happy to discuss this with you privately and provide you with a price quote, however I'm headed to the Usenix conference now and won't be back until next week. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Manufacturer of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jun 19 23: 5: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-206-88-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.88.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9237137BAF4 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11424; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200006200609.XAA11424@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:37:04 CDT." <394EF4EF.FDBD3928@icorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:09:51 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Snapshot doesn't work. I booted and installed from 4.0-20000619-STABLE > and still NO GO. It went through the entire installation and then > reported that no kernel was found. That's not "no go", that's "it's almost worked". The driver's up and working if you manage the install. Can you be more explicit about the error message the loader is giving you when you reboot? You will also need to be explicit about how you're actually installing, eg. partition sizing, layout, etc. > Can ANYONE verify that they have managed to get the Compaq SmartRAID > controller running under FreeBSD 4.0? Most SMART controllers are known to work. The 2DH you're fighting is one of those. -- \\ Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. \\ Mike Smith \\ Tell him he should learn how to fish himself, \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ and he'll hate you for a lifetime. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 1: 7:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from atlas.usls.edu (atlas.usls.edu [202.47.133.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461BF37BED9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francis@usls.edu) Received: by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 645A29B1D; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:06:44 +0800 (PHT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by atlas.usls.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AB65D03 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:06:44 +0800 (PHT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:06:44 +0800 (PHT) From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: self-register web-based e-mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi all, i'm running free e-mail service for university students. as the number of users increase, adding and maintaining of accounts is becoming labor-intensive. i'm looking for a product that can process e-mail applications on-the-fly (like in some free e-mail services). -- francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 1:14: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com (zagnut.hotpop.com [204.57.55.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292BC37B7AC for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tywe@hotpop.com) Received: from mach2.mia.bellsouth.net (adsl-61-9-201.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.9.201]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EA3B2639DD; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007001bfda8f$78448c40$02ac14ac@mia.bellsouth.net> From: "tywe" To: "Francis A. Vidal" Cc: References: Subject: Re: self-register web-based e-mail Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:13:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, why can't you just use CGI/PERL or PHP (like I've been using lately) to process a form that would be filled out online? or are there some special requirements I'm not thinking of? do you have to recieve the requests through e-mail? tywe ----- Original Message ----- From: Francis A. Vidal To: FreeBSD ISP Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:06 AM Subject: self-register web-based e-mail > hi all, > > i'm running free e-mail service for university students. as the number > of users increase, adding and maintaining of accounts is becoming > labor-intensive. i'm looking for a product that can process e-mail > applications on-the-fly (like in some free e-mail services). > > -- > francis vidal university of st. la salle, bacolod city, philippines > . . . . . . . PGP key available via e-mail / subject: get PGP key > u s l s N E T tel nos. (+63.34).433.3526 / fax (+63.34).434.0415 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 1:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gate.webclub.ru (gate.web2000.ru [195.58.61.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E859037BD8D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 01:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from novikov@web2000.ru) Received: from novikov.web2000.ru ([195.58.61.66]) by gate.webclub.ru with smtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 134JOg-000EQr-00 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:28:38 +0400 From: Andrey Novikov Organization: Web2000 To: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:20:53 +0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain References: <00b001bfda4c$bf58c9e0$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <00b001bfda4c$bf58c9e0$778d25cb@halenet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062012265900.00795@novikov.web2000.ru> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium 166. > On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days and > there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than the > "WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a > hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder > whether it is a configuration error on my part. > > Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? I have the same problem on 2 of 2 FreeBSD 4.0 machines - but it allways reboots after page fault. Windows 98 on the same machines are working fine. ------------------------------------------------------------ Program source is just a special case of a patch Andrey Novikov NAG-RIPN [http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=447099] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 2:52:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ady.warpnet.ro (ady.warpnet.ro [194.102.224.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA85537BD60; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:52:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Received: from localhost (ady@localhost) by ady.warpnet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02647; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:00:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ady@warpnet.ro) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:00:10 +0300 (EEST) From: Adrian Penisoara To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@OpenBSD.org, Brian Somers Subject: ATTN: FIX for PPP with >9 tunnels / possible DoS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Whoever uses userland PPP with more than 9 tunnel devices compiled in kernel should be updating to the latest (post 2000/06/19) sources, a bug which was affecting route deletion handling has just been committed. What is it all about: at startup PPP was getting a wrong interface index number in the routing table and upon termination it was deleting routes for the wrong tunnel interface. Evil users may exploit this in that they can block those PPP links who use the first tunnel interfaces. For more detalis please chek out PR #19384 ( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19384 ); please do not use the patch suggested in the PR, better use the version committed in the CVS tree which is optimised. *All* FreeBSD branches are affected; the fix has been committed for 3-stable, 4-stable and 5-current branches. I CC'ed to OpenBSD's technical mailing lists because they are using the same source package and might be affected (?). Thanks, Adrian Penisoara Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 4:23:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B1437BE72; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA68974; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:09:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA60668; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:08:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200006201108.MAA60668@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Adrian Penisoara Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG, tech@OpenBSD.org, Brian Somers , brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: ATTN: FIX for PPP with >9 tunnels / possible DoS In-Reply-To: Message from Adrian Penisoara of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:00:10 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:08:29 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [.....] > *All* FreeBSD branches are affected; the fix has been committed for > 3-stable, 4-stable and 5-current branches. I CC'ed to OpenBSD's technical > mailing lists because they are using the same source package and might be > affected (?). The fix was committed to OpenBSD too. > Thanks, > Adrian Penisoara > Ady (@freebsd.ady.ro) -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 6:19:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.for.spb.ru (storm.for.spb.ru [195.201.69.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E517437BE9E for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serg@storm.for.spb.ru) Received: (qmail 29325 invoked by uid 1000); 19 Jun 2000 15:23:37 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:23:37 +0400 From: Sergei To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: sppp & NAT Message-ID: <20000619192337.A29317@tanigawa.spb.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I run NAT on a sppp interface? It seems pppd doesn't work with NAT and I can't get to work my sppp interface (dedicated line) using user-ppp. -- Sergei To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 7:29:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Post.com2com.ru (post.com2com.ru [195.98.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA5437B793 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Received: from VIGOV (ws215.com2com.ru [195.98.160.215]) by Post.com2com.ru (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10657 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:29:02 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:40:40 +0400 From: vigov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42f) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: vigov Organization: 2Com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1688738691.20000620184040@com2com.ru> To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gated and dialup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello evrybody! I've got follow question, There's FreeBSD host with one ethernet and one ppp, i'd like to dial to modem and surf in Inet, it's ok, but after disconnecting if i try to ping to IP of ppp it cycled. It's really bad, i want up dynamic routing with gated and OSPF, maybe somebody know how, or know where's i can find it Eugene Vigovskiy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 7:33:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B1837B793 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net. [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13713; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:33:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <394F80BF.85B0C863@thehousleys.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:33:35 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vigov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gated and dialup References: <1688738691.20000620184040@com2com.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org vigov wrote: > > Hello evrybody! > I've got follow question, There's FreeBSD host with one ethernet and > one ppp, i'd like to dial to modem and surf in Inet, it's ok, but > after disconnecting if i try to ping to IP of ppp it cycled. It's > really bad, i want up dynamic routing with gated and OSPF, maybe > somebody know how, or know where's i can find it > I don't think you need any of that, you probably want ppp -dynamic -nat. Try the FreeBSD Handbook. http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ppp-and-slip.html Jim -- microsoft: "where do you want to go today?" linux: "where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "are you guys coming, or what?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 8:37:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3E537BF07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA83972; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:37:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA62897; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:36:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200006201536.QAA62897@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Sergei Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: sppp & NAT In-Reply-To: Message from Sergei of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:23:37 +0400." <20000619192337.A29317@tanigawa.spb.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:36:40 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > How do I run NAT on a sppp interface? It seems pppd doesn't work with > NAT and I can't get to work my sppp interface (dedicated line) > using user-ppp. What's the problem with user-ppp ? If you ``set speed sync'' and have a tty-link interface, ppp(8) should work fine. > -- > Sergei -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 8:39:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB7037C12A for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA87316; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:39:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA62912; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:38:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200006201538.QAA62912@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: James Housley Cc: vigov , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: gated and dialup In-Reply-To: Message from James Housley of "Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:33:35 EDT." <394F80BF.85B0C863@thehousleys.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:38:30 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > vigov wrote: > > > > Hello evrybody! > > I've got follow question, There's FreeBSD host with one ethernet and > > one ppp, i'd like to dial to modem and surf in Inet, it's ok, but > > after disconnecting if i try to ping to IP of ppp it cycled. It's > > really bad, i want up dynamic routing with gated and OSPF, maybe > > somebody know how, or know where's i can find it > > > I don't think you need any of that, you probably want ppp -dynamic > -nat. Try the FreeBSD Handbook. That's -auto rather than -dynamic :-) You're thinking natd !!! > http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ppp-and-slip.html > > Jim > -- > microsoft: "where do you want to go today?" > linux: "where do you want to go tomorrow?" > BSD: "are you guys coming, or what?" -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 8:56: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ariel.efis.ucr.ac.cr (ariel.efis.ucr.ac.cr [163.178.110.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA2C37B839 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmejia@ariel.efis.ucr.ac.cr) Received: from localhost (jmejia@localhost) by ariel.efis.ucr.ac.cr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02642; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:55:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:55:22 -0600 (CST) From: "JImmy M. F." To: Andrey Novikov Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.0 Rebooting itself In-Reply-To: <00062012265900.00795@novikov.web2000.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Andrey Novikov wrote: > > I have installed FreeBSD 4.0 on 3 machines a P2 a P3 and a pentium 166. > > On each of these machines the system reboots itself between 1 and 3 days and > > there is no reference or error message in /var/log/messages, other than the > > "WARNING: / was not properly dismounted " . Originally I suspected a > > hardware incompatability but on 3 different machines now makes me wonder > > whether it is a configuration error on my part. > > > > Is or has anyone else had a similar problem? > > I have the same problem on 2 of 2 FreeBSD 4.0 machines - but it allways reboots > after page fault. Windows 98 on the same machines are working fine. > I also have the same problem, or worse, because the computer is completly freezed after of that stomach attack (I am running FBSD 4.0 S) the other 3 servers running FBSD 3.4 are running fine all the days, all the time. I should say that before this server that now is running FBSD 4.0 did not have any problem when it was running the 3.4 version. I has been recompiling the kernel and adding extra debug flags, but it crash without letting any abnormal message. JImmy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 8:58:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from in-design.com (cleo.in-design.com [209.166.166.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D669637B6BD for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from archive@in-design.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (ba-082.adsl.stargate.net [209.166.187.82]) by in-design.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23802 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: archive@mail.in-design.com Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:58:36 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Intuitive Design Archiving Service Subject: Load balancing and mirroring Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all; Is there any howto's out there how to setup a machine with a redundant copy for all services. That being bind, ftp, web , email, ect. ect. If anyone can point me out to a method I would appreciate it. Also considering toughest part is maintainging passwds ect. Files can be on shared drives, but how about passwds , ip address switching when one machine is down, ofcourse there is the cron job that checks the other machine, and if it is down switches this machines ip, but I am looking for something a bit more complex. Thanks Tamer Ziady Tamer Ziady Intuitive Design http://www.in-design.com 414 S. Craig St. #290 Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Dedicated to specialized solutions! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 9:53:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBAC37BBBF for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (jrs@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA39160; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:53:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jrs@enteract.com) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:53:16 -0500 (CDT) From: John Sconiers To: Intuitive Design Archiving Service Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Load balancing and mirroring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not a stop gap solution but Cisco local director plus a few scripts and added services could do the trick. > Is there any howto's out there how to setup a machine with a > redundant copy for all services. That being bind, ftp, web , email, > ect. ect. If anyone can point me out to a method I would appreciate > it. Also considering toughest part is maintainging passwds ect. Files > can be on shared drives, but how about passwds , ip address switching > when one machine is down, ofcourse there is the cron job that checks > the other machine, and if it is down switches this machines ip, but I > am looking for something a bit more complex. > > > Thanks > > Tamer Ziady > Tamer Ziady > > Intuitive Design http://www.in-design.com > 414 S. Craig St. #290 > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 Dedicated to specialized solutions! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 11: 0:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from staff.nyi.net (staff.nyi.net [204.248.157.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 748E537BFAE for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@nyi.net) Received: (qmail 72593 invoked by uid 1004); 20 Jun 2000 17:57:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000620175748.72592.qmail@staff.nyi.net> References: <394EFA59.3B59080F@icorp.net> <394F0599.2D4EA6C8@icorp.net> In-Reply-To: <394F0599.2D4EA6C8@icorp.net> From: "javier" To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Alternatives?? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:57:48 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Running a 51gig raid 5 arraid here on a compaq proliant 3000 with the smart array controller with no problems.. ( they make really good dev servers) i think you are missing one step after you install, see, the kernel in the boot floppy contains supports for the ida device, but the kernel that's installed during the sys install, doesnot. So what you have to do is this: Install systems as normal with your boot floppy using a snapshot form releng4.freebsd.org after is fully done, DONOT REBOOT hit alt+F4 and goto to a console cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf and compile yourself a custom kernel with the ida device included. go ahead and reboot now it should work so you believe me: bfm# uname -a FreeBSD bfm.ops.about.com 4.0-20000619-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-20000619-STABLE #0: Fri Mar 19 11:01:47 GMT 1999 root@bfm.ops.about.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/custom i386 bfm# df -k Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/idad0s1a 1190783 37783 1057738 3% / /dev/idad0s1g 44625658 14 41055592 0% /home /dev/idad0s1e 3175982 752007 2169897 26% /usr /dev/idad0s1f 1488607 7189 1362330 1% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc more info at : http://www.seeberg.dk/freebsd/idaraid/ hope this helps ;) James writes: > > Can anyone recommend a suitable alternative RAID controller that will work in a Compaq > Proliant 3000R? I'm having some problems finding compatibility with the hot-swap drive > cage's 68-pin open connectors and 40MB/s transfer rate. What is the best non-compaq > controller (AMI, DPT, Mylex? What model??) that will work without the nightmares I've > had - I'll pay whatever as long as I don't spend long-ass nights trying to hack this > proprietary Compaq machine any further than necessary? > > As a side note, what hardware is ftp.freebsd.org running on? They claim to be running > hardware RAID 5 - what controller? I just want something that will work - my brain is > sooo fried. > > On the topic of trying to get the Compaq SmartRAID running on FreeBSD 4.0, I think I'm > basically giving up. > > I am assuming at this time 4.0 does not seem to support the Compaq Smart raid controllers > - even though there does seem to be a device driver for this controller, it must not be > functioning. > > I'm open to any ideas on this issue. Here's my situation: > > Compaq Proliant 3000R with Smart 2HD 2-channel raid scsi > > The system works fine with the on-board scsi but I cannot install ANY version of FreeBSD > from the ide cdrom. I've heard that the Compaq (proprietary piece of crap) raid > controller takes over resources reserved for the ide interface and creates compatibility > problems - I've also heard there is a "hack" for 3.4 to use the controller at the expense > of making all atapi devices inoperable. I've tried everything short of the 3.4 hack - I > will reluctantly go back to an older version because it may have more support - ironic > when there does seem to be a driver that recognizes the controll but doesn't function > properly. > > I've tried to install 3.3-4.0 via ftp and it fails to produce a kernel on the system. > I've tried to install the current 4.0 snapshot - it fails with a message saying "trying > to link the kernel but not found - you'll have a very hard time getting the hard drive to > boot without a kernel". I can't try any manual copying becuase the holographic shell > doesn't have any commands that I can find to mount devices or even copy files - that's > probably my ignorance of how to hack the post-install environment - any ideas? > > In any case, I'll gladly trash this Compaq controller in favor of something which will > perform better, handle the Compaq's hot swap drive cage and do at least the 40M/s > transfer rate of the scsi plane - money is not an issue as long as it works. Productive > suggestions will be rewarded with a very large array of good kharma - guaranteed. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 11:23:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.wwwnexus.com (oberon.wwwnexus.com [216.71.84.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C23E37B6D5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:23:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@smartsoft.cc) Received: from smartsoft.cc (client-209-158-92-76.bellatlantic.net [209.158.92.76]) by oberon.wwwnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03430 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:21:38 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: Smartsoft, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org Subject: Spam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone of you know an organisation, preferably on the web, which is serious about SPAM? What I would like is just one e-mail address I could forward SPAM to and know that it would be handled by the proper authorities. Would this be a business idea for someone? May be there is even a government fund that would help?! Take care! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 11:26:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0E637B829 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@chocobo.cx) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 95BA13D68; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:26:45 -0400 From: Chip Marshall To: Jan Knepper Cc: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Spam Message-ID: <20000620142645.A23153@setzer.chocobo.cx> Reply-To: chip@chocobo.cx References: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc>; from jan@smartsoft.cc on Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 02:21:38PM -0400 X-URL: http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On June 20, 2000, Jan Knepper sent me the following: > Does anyone of you know an organisation, preferably on the web, which is serious > about SPAM? > > What I would like is just one e-mail address I could forward SPAM to and know > that it would be handled by the proper authorities. > > Would this be a business idea for someone? May be there is even a government > fund that would help?! Abuse.net has a service where you can send mail to domain.com@abuse.net and they will forward the message to the proper contact point for domain.com, including upstreams of that domain if they are unresponsive. adcomplain from the ports collection seems to do a pretty good job of semiautomatically picking the right domain name to complain to. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ Finger for PGP GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a18>? C++ UB++++$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N+@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X R>+ tv+() b++>+++ DI++++ D(-) G++ e>++ h!>++ r-- y- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 11:33:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from staff.nyi.net (staff.nyi.net [204.248.157.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5B8A37BC3D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from javier@nyi.net) Received: (qmail 73404 invoked by uid 1004); 20 Jun 2000 18:30:35 -0000 Message-ID: <20000620183035.73403.qmail@staff.nyi.net> References: <394EFA59.3B59080F@icorp.net> <394F0599.2D4EA6C8@icorp.net> <20000620175748.72592.qmail@staff.nyi.net> In-Reply-To: <20000620175748.72592.qmail@staff.nyi.net> From: "javier" To: James Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compaq SmartRAID compatibility issues? Alternatives?? Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:30:35 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forgot to include.... ida0: port 0x5000-0x50ff mem 0xf0000000-0xf7ffffff,0xfe9fff00-0xfe9fffff irq 11 at devi ce 0.0 on pci1 ida0: drives=1 firm_rev=2.08 idad0: on ida0 idad0: 52063MB (106626720 sectors), blocksize=512 javier writes: > > Running a 51gig raid 5 arraid here on a compaq proliant 3000 with the smart > array controller with no problems.. ( they make really good dev servers) > > > > i think you are missing one step after you install, see, the kernel in the > boot floppy contains supports for the ida device, but the kernel that's > installed during the sys install, doesnot. > > So what you have to do is this: > > Install systems as normal with your boot floppy using a snapshot form > releng4.freebsd.org > after is fully done, > DONOT REBOOT > hit alt+F4 and goto to a console > > cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf > and compile yourself a custom kernel with the ida device included. > go ahead and reboot > now it should work > > so you believe me: > > bfm# uname -a > FreeBSD bfm.ops.about.com 4.0-20000619-STABLE FreeBSD 4.0-20000619-STABLE > #0: Fri Mar 19 11:01:47 GMT 1999 > root@bfm.ops.about.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/custom i386 > bfm# df -k > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/idad0s1a 1190783 37783 1057738 3% / > /dev/idad0s1g 44625658 14 41055592 0% /home > /dev/idad0s1e 3175982 752007 2169897 26% /usr > /dev/idad0s1f 1488607 7189 1362330 1% /var > procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc > > > more info at : > > http://www.seeberg.dk/freebsd/idaraid/ > > > hope this helps ;) > James writes: > > > > > Can anyone recommend a suitable alternative RAID controller that will work in a Compaq > > Proliant 3000R? I'm having some problems finding compatibility with the hot-swap drive > > cage's 68-pin open connectors and 40MB/s transfer rate. What is the best non-compaq > > controller (AMI, DPT, Mylex? What model??) that will work without the nightmares I've > > had - I'll pay whatever as long as I don't spend long-ass nights trying to hack this > > proprietary Compaq machine any further than necessary? > > > > As a side note, what hardware is ftp.freebsd.org running on? They claim to be running > > hardware RAID 5 - what controller? I just want something that will work - my brain is > > sooo fried. > > > > On the topic of trying to get the Compaq SmartRAID running on FreeBSD 4.0, I think I'm > > basically giving up. > > > > I am assuming at this time 4.0 does not seem to support the Compaq Smart raid controllers > > - even though there does seem to be a device driver for this controller, it must not be > > functioning. > > > > I'm open to any ideas on this issue. Here's my situation: > > > > Compaq Proliant 3000R with Smart 2HD 2-channel raid scsi > > > > The system works fine with the on-board scsi but I cannot install ANY version of FreeBSD > > from the ide cdrom. I've heard that the Compaq (proprietary piece of crap) raid > > controller takes over resources reserved for the ide interface and creates compatibility > > problems - I've also heard there is a "hack" for 3.4 to use the controller at the expense > > of making all atapi devices inoperable. I've tried everything short of the 3.4 hack - I > > will reluctantly go back to an older version because it may have more support - ironic > > when there does seem to be a driver that recognizes the controll but doesn't function > > properly. > > > > I've tried to install 3.3-4.0 via ftp and it fails to produce a kernel on the system. > > I've tried to install the current 4.0 snapshot - it fails with a message saying "trying > > to link the kernel but not found - you'll have a very hard time getting the hard drive to > > boot without a kernel". I can't try any manual copying becuase the holographic shell > > doesn't have any commands that I can find to mount devices or even copy files - that's > > probably my ignorance of how to hack the post-install environment - any ideas? > > > > In any case, I'll gladly trash this Compaq controller in favor of something which will > > perform better, handle the Compaq's hot swap drive cage and do at least the 40M/s > > transfer rate of the scsi plane - money is not an issue as long as it works. Productive > > suggestions will be rewarded with a very large array of good kharma - guaranteed. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- MMM \|/ www __^__ (o o) @ @ (O-O) /(o o)\ -ooO-(_)-Ooo---oOO-(_)-OOo---oOO--(_)--OOo---oOO==(_)==OOo Javier A. Frias Sr. System Administrator The New York Internet Company 20 Exchange Place 21st Floor New York, N.Y. 10005 "Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 11:54:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72A237BFFE for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:54:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <394FBE43.D8E94CDD@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:56:03 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Knepper Cc: FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Spam References: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Knepper wrote: > Does anyone of you know an organisation, preferably on the web, which is serious > about SPAM? There are a number of them, such as MAPS, SpamCop, ORBS, abuse.net, CAUCE, SPUTUM... > What I would like is just one e-mail address I could forward SPAM to and know > that it would be handled by the proper authorities. You'd probably want SpamCop, run by Julian Haight. http://spamcop.net/ > Would this be a business idea for someone? May be there is even a government > fund that would help?! It's already being done, and some ISPs do it for their users. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 12: 6:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from typhoon.direct-internet.net (typhoon.direct-internet.net [207.245.193.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4CD37BBE7; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@direct-internet.net) Received: from fusion (fusion.direct-internet.net [207.245.193.32]) by typhoon.direct-internet.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5KIw2504286; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00dc01bfdae7$499eaee0$20c1f5cf@directinternet.net> From: "Duncan de Verteuil" To: , Cc: References: <003801bfd873$4ba66d20$5a54a0d0@jlschwab.simphost.com> <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Resume... Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:42:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: H. Eckert To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Resume... > Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > I am 17 years of age. > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > Greetings, > Ripley > > Aren't YOU one arrogant piece of... *shakes head* I am disgusted. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 12:25: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gamera.comnetcom.net (ns1.comnetcom.net [209.100.247.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE56937BF0E for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:24:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff@comnetcom.net) Received: from jeff (jeff.comnetcom.net [209.100.247.124]) by gamera.comnetcom.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e5KJat919483; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:36:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004201bfdaed$30da9940$7cf764d1@comnetcom.net> From: "Jeff Tolley" To: "Jan Knepper" , References: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc> Subject: Re: Spam Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:24:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I find http://spamcop.net/ does the job pretty well.. --- Jeff Tolley - jeff@comnetcom.net Senior Systems Administrator Com Net Communications System, Inc. Network Operations Center noc@comnetcom.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Knepper" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 1:21 PM Subject: Spam > Hi, > > Does anyone of you know an organisation, preferably on the web, which is serious > about SPAM? > > What I would like is just one e-mail address I could forward SPAM to and know > that it would be handled by the proper authorities. > > Would this be a business idea for someone? May be there is even a government > fund that would help?! > > > > Take care! > Jan > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 13:52:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2982B37BFBA for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:52:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: <394FD9FD.48440A97@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:54:21 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Web tracking software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 with Apache. My boss doesn't like the Webalizer stats package we've been running, and wants more detail. What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 14:18:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from durango.picus.com (durango.picus.com [209.100.20.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2BC37BD30 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@picus.com) Received: from arcadia [209.100.20.198] by durango.picus.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id AF33E3001C; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:16:35 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Troy Settle" To: "Sean Michael Whipkey" , Subject: RE: Web tracking software Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:19:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <394FD9FD.48440A97@cstone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pointy-haired types seem to like Web Trends... runs on windows though. What version of Webalizer are you using? The more recent versions seem to offer quite a bit of detail. -Troy ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sean Michael Whipkey ** Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 4:54 PM ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: Web tracking software ** ** ** I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 with Apache. My boss doesn't like the Webalizer ** stats package we've been running, and wants more detail. ** ** What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? ** ** SeanMike ** ** -- ** SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek ** "It must be difficult being such a visionary." ** "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." ** http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 14:22:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891FB37BD30 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 14:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:15:18 -0400 Message-ID: <394FE0F2.60C5B040@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:24:02 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: troy@picus.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web tracking software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy Settle wrote: > Pointy-haired types seem to like Web Trends... runs on windows though. Yeah, which isn't a possibility here. :-) > What version of Webalizer are you using? The more recent versions seem to > offer quite a bit of detail. Version 1.30.4, made from the ports directory in FreeBSD 3.4. I'm thinking we'll probably end up with Nettracker. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 16:34:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pop.idx.com.au (pop.idx.com.au [203.14.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F8137BE52 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from desktop.freebsd.org (idxwc05-220.idx.com.au [203.166.0.220]) by pop.idx.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18511; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:34:01 +1000 From: Danny To: Jan Knepper , FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Spam Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:42:09 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <394FB632.DAC713D7@smartsoft.cc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062209430500.00310@desktop.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Checkout www.procmail.org If you have a spam problem. On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Jan Knepper wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone of you know an organisation, preferably on the web, which is serious > about SPAM? > > What I would like is just one e-mail address I could forward SPAM to and know > that it would be handled by the proper authorities. > > Would this be a business idea for someone? May be there is even a government > fund that would help?! > > > > Take care! > Jan > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 16:47:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from metva.com.au (metva.metva.com.au [202.0.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC54537BD2E for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enno.davids@metva.com.au) Received: (from enno@localhost) by metva.com.au id JAA11708; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:44:59 +1000 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <200006202344.JAA11708@metva.com.au> Subject: Re: Web tracking software In-Reply-To: <394FD9FD.48440A97@cstone.net> from Sean Michael Whipkey at "Jun 20, 0 04:54:21 pm" To: highway@cstone.net (Sean Michael Whipkey) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:44:59 +1000 (EST) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 with Apache. My boss doesn't like the Webalizer | stats package we've been running, and wants more detail. | | What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? We use webalizer and webtrends at work (a largish bank with >2million hits a day). We (the infrastructure group) use webalizer as it gives a good overall picture of how the servers are behaving and can process the logs fairly quickly (running in incremental mode). The business units run Webtrends for its better reportage, except over time they've had to turn more and more of it off as the package is taking >8 hours to to the reports they want. Some of that was simply asking for lots of different breakdowns of the data and some was that the data was simply so large (a day's log file runs about 200Mb at the moment). They've been eyeing off the enterprise version of Webtrends which has a Solaris version and indeed Nettracker which has good support for lots of platforms. Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 16:50:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C074537BBAB for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@ARPA.MAIL.NET) Received: (qmail 10613 invoked by uid 1000); 20 Jun 2000 23:50:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 23:50:04 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:50:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: Enno Davids Cc: Sean Michael Whipkey , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web tracking software In-Reply-To: <200006202344.JAA11708@metva.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I personally use analog combined with reportmagic. analog can be found at: www.analog.cx and report magic can be found at: www.reportmagic.com It's a beautiful system, combines all the details of analog with the beautiful reports and graphs from report magic, I strongly recommend it to anyone who likes web statistics! Matt On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Enno Davids wrote: : Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:44:59 -0400 : From: Enno Davids : To: Sean Michael Whipkey : Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG : Subject: Re: Web tracking software : : | I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 with Apache. My boss doesn't like the Webalizer : | stats package we've been running, and wants more detail. : | : | What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? : : We use webalizer and webtrends at work (a largish bank with >2million hits : a day). We (the infrastructure group) use webalizer as it gives a good : overall picture of how the servers are behaving and can process the logs : fairly quickly (running in incremental mode). : : The business units run Webtrends for its better reportage, except over time : they've had to turn more and more of it off as the package is taking >8 hours : to to the reports they want. Some of that was simply asking for lots of : different breakdowns of the data and some was that the data was simply so : large (a day's log file runs about 200Mb at the moment). : : They've been eyeing off the enterprise version of Webtrends which has a : Solaris version and indeed Nettracker which has good support for lots of : platforms. : : : Enno. : : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message : Matt Heckaman matt@arpa.mail.net http://www.lucida.qc.ca -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5UAMsdMMtMcA1U5ARAqIWAKDeIv1gvkMAywh0DmrC/Hb5LW7agwCgiVEg h58AhmQ6mmuebzK29nkIcfA= =t+gg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 17:37:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from yoda.fdt.net (yoda.fdt.net [209.212.128.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC43537B988; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flaboy@gnv.fdt.net) Received: from localhost (flaboy@localhost) by yoda.fdt.net with ESMTP id UAA16815; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:37:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Barnhart X-Sender: flaboy@yoda.fdt.net To: Duncan de Verteuil Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: <00dc01bfdae7$499eaee0$20c1f5cf@directinternet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a direct port for you. Pitiful. JB On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Duncan de Verteuil wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: H. Eckert > To: ; > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > > I am 17 years of age. > > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. > > > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > > > Greetings, > > Ripley > > > > > Aren't YOU one arrogant piece of... *shakes head* > I am disgusted. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 17:43:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (pogo.caustic.org [208.44.193.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D8237B7DB; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.10.0/ignatz) with ESMTP id e5L0hE328824; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:43:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Joe Barnhart Cc: Duncan de Verteuil , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org because i'm wading through this, i think i'll be nice, and ask you folks to move this to -chat, or possably off the lists alltogether. thanks much. -- jan On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Joe Barnhart wrote: > And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be > because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... > > This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for > people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having > support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a > direct port for you. > > Pitiful. > > JB > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Duncan de Verteuil wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: H. Eckert > > To: ; > > Cc: > > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:16 PM > > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > > > > Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > > > I am 17 years of age. > > > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. > > > > > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > > > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > > > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Ripley > > > > > > > > Aren't YOU one arrogant piece of... *shakes head* > > I am disgusted. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > +-----/ f. johan beisser /------------------------------+ email: jan[at]caustic.org web: http://www.caustic.org/~jan "knowledge is power. power corrupts. study hard, be evil." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 17:52:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from yoda.fdt.net (yoda.fdt.net [209.212.128.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C9737B860; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flaboy@gnv.fdt.net) Received: from localhost (flaboy@localhost) by yoda.fdt.net with ESMTP id UAA18340; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:51:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:51:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Barnhart X-Sender: flaboy@yoda.fdt.net To: XuYifeng Cc: Duncan de Verteuil , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: <000701bfdb1a$3c1b54c0$1701a8c0@xu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree. I'm so sad to see however, replies to people that are so much less than professional (not that we have to necessarily be such all the time). I'm convinced that some of the problem is attitudes and the unwillingness to be open and help. People move and go to communities that they feel better being a part of. I can only wonder how many people we have lost here to linux that might have asked a question and ended up being treated like sh**. Hey, it won't happen but once to me, and I run an ISP with a wide variety of OS's. Nothin is very warm here, nor on the BSDI lists either. It's hurting the entire community, just sub to some of the linux lists and see for yourself how the help flows. It made it commercial, it started early and earned itself a rep for cooperation not spitefulness. JB On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, XuYifeng wrote: > don't try the change someboday's attitudes in bsd lists, it's tooo > difficult :( > also , I admit bsd has better technology, but Linux is more commercial, > BSD's very > important problem is there hasn't any enterprise level database system, it's > a pain. > > XuYifeng > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Barnhart" > To: "Duncan de Verteuil" > Cc: ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be > > because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... > > > > This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for > > people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having > > support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a > > direct port for you. > > > > Pitiful. > > > > JB > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Duncan de Verteuil wrote: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: H. Eckert > > > To: ; > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 9:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: Resume... > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Jason L. Schwab (jlschwab@uswest.net): > > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 > > > > > I am 17 years of age. > > > > > I consider my self a professional unix system administrator. > > > > > > > > Consider yourself lucky to be qualified to admin a microwave > > > > at a fastfood restaurant. This might even help you to get a > > > > chance to get a real qualification in the near future. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Ripley > > > > > > > > > > > Aren't YOU one arrogant piece of... *shakes head* > > > I am disgusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > /---------------------------- 352-372-5100 -------------------------------\ | Joseph Barnhart | IRC | Gainesville, Tallahassee, | | FDT Network Administrator | Front Page | Ocala, Tampa & St. Pete. | | Florida Digital Turnpike | 56k Dialup | Pensacola, Jacksonville and | | http://www.fdt.net | ISDN T1 | Miami. Megapop and Ipass | | joseph.barnhart@fdt.net | Web Hosting | National access. | | | Unix Shells | | \---------------------------- 850-222-5200 -------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 20:58:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA7437B62D for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA62936; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:56:33 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006210356.VAA62936@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Sean Michael Whipkey" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:02:43 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <394FD9FD.48440A97@cstone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Web tracking software Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you want/can afford, get nettracker at http://www.sane.com/ It has a ton of detailed reports, but very expensive for most people -Simon On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:54:21 -0400, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: >I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 with Apache. My boss doesn't like the Webalizer >stats package we've been running, and wants more detail. > >What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? > >SeanMike > >-- >SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek >"It must be difficult being such a visionary." >"Not really. You just have to drink a lot." >http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jun 20 21:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.superhero.org (dial210-77.star-telegram.com [209.197.210.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B282237B935 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from needo@pegasus.superhero.org) Received: (qmail 29357 invoked by uid 1001); 21 Jun 2000 04:48:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:48:56 -0500 From: Erich Zigler To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... Message-ID: <20000620234856.A29267@pegasus.superhero.org> Mail-Followup-To: Erich Zigler , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000701bfdb1a$3c1b54c0$1701a8c0@xu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from flaboy@gnv.fdt.net on Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 08:51:54PM -0400 X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy. Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 20, 2000 at 08:51:54PM -0400, Joe Barnhart wrote: > Nothin is very warm here, nor on the BSDI lists either. It's hurting the > entire community, just sub to some of the linux lists and see for yourself > how the help flows. It made it commercial, it started early and earned > itself a rep for cooperation not spitefulness. I've been quiet until now. I have been using FreeBSD for a couple years now and use it in a professional setting. The times I have had to go research concepts I didnt fully grasp, or try to implement something I didn't quite understand I always found the answers in the documentation. If for some reason the documentation was not helpful I would go email some people I have met over the years or join one of the many FreeBSD IRC support channels. These people have always been helpful and even polite. Sure there are the few exceptions, but that is normal for any group of people anywhere. There are always the few bad apples. And there is a big difference between being rude and unhelpful and trying to spark some independant thought. -- Erich Zigler Sr. System Administrator On-line, adj.: The idea that a human being should always be accessible to a computer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 2:37:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.freebsd.org.uk [194.242.139.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1CC37BE70 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:37:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (hak.nat.Awfulhak.org [172.31.0.12]) by storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17823; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:37:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01474; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:05:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200006210805.JAA01474@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Piotr Poniatowski Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, brian@Awfulhak.org, brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: Fast ISA I/O card + ppp In-Reply-To: Message from Piotr Poniatowski of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:06:52 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:05:18 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi all > > sio driver suport more den 230400 speed ? > ppp suport more den 230400 speed ? Yes and no.... speeds only go up to 230400, but I believe you can get overclocked chips that run at multiples of up to 4 times. FreeBSD doesn't need to know that it's actually functioning faster than advertised. I'm afraid I don't know a great deal about 16650 (or higher) UARTS though :-/ > sory for my english:-) Hey, it's a damn site better than my Polish ! :-) -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 2:49:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from comm.uni-svishtov.bg (ns.uni-svishtov.bg [193.68.172.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B056437BD75 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 02:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanko@uni-svishtov.bg) Received: from grinch.uni-svishtov.bg (root@grinch.uni-svishtov.bg [193.68.172.9]) by comm.uni-svishtov.bg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12461 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:49:30 GMT Received: from vanko (vanko.uni-svishtov.bg [193.68.173.61]) by grinch.uni-svishtov.bg (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24660 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:49:29 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <002d01bfdb66$5e8cdbe0$3dad44c1@unisvishtov.bg> From: "Ivan Minchev" To: Subject: Free BSD & Sky Media 200 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:52:10 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know is there a driver for sm200 cards.I'm runnig FreeBSD 4.0..... Regards, BatVanko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 4:19:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EE437BDB0; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:19:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA93339; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:18:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:18:48 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Joe Barnhart Cc: Duncan de Verteuil , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *OH* *MY* *GOD*!!! Why can't you people act more resposibly than the original poster and **NOT** post it to lists it doesn't belong, namely, -security and -isp? This doesn't belong in any of the two. On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Joe Barnhart wrote: > And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be > because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... > > This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for > people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having > support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a > direct port for you. > > Pitiful. > > JB > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 5:36:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4910137BE21 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA43937 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:36:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Web tracking software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ** What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? We run Analog (http://analog.cx/) with great success. We *used* to run WebTrends on a dedicated NT box. Definitely a horror story- that one machine gave us more trouble than the 10 BSD servers it was analysing reports for. That's probably as much MS's fault though. Still, after more than a year listening to their support staff tell me that I needed more memory and more processor (despite the fact that neither was being heavily used) I finally got in contact with a real programmer there who told me basically "Yeah, real-time analysis has some bugs- turn it off" which of course fixed the problem, while removing the greater part of the functionality I needed. WT reports tend to track things that simply are not reliable (click-path and the infamous "user session" concepts) and does a questionable job at even that. Comparing a WT generated report to an analog report (or a grep -c on the raw log) yielded a lot of unexplainable differences. My personal advice is to avoid webtrends like the plague- it may work for some situations, but definitely not the one I'm in. -=Jim=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 6:32: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from guardian.fortress.org (guardian.fortress.org [198.168.253.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4810D37B98B for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:31:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11907; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:31:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from andrew@guardian.fortress.org) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Web tracking software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Might I suggest that you take a look at webalizer http://freshmeat.net/appindex/1998/01/11/884569634.html. We use this tool with excellent results, and it looks nicer than analog (the customers like this). Anything is better than WT! On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Jim Sander wrote: > > ** What suggestions do y'all have? Horror stories? Good products? > > We run Analog (http://analog.cx/) with great success. > > We *used* to run WebTrends on a dedicated NT box. Definitely a horror > story- that one machine gave us more trouble than the 10 BSD servers > it was analysing reports for. That's probably as much MS's fault though. > > Still, after more than a year listening to their support staff tell me > that I needed more memory and more processor (despite the fact that > neither was being heavily used) I finally got in contact with a real > programmer there who told me basically "Yeah, real-time analysis has some > bugs- turn it off" which of course fixed the problem, while removing the > greater part of the functionality I needed. > > WT reports tend to track things that simply are not reliable > (click-path and the infamous "user session" concepts) and does a > questionable job at even that. Comparing a WT generated report to an > analog report (or a grep -c on the raw log) yielded a lot of unexplainable > differences. My personal advice is to avoid webtrends like the plague- it > may work for some situations, but definitely not the one I'm in. > > -=Jim=- > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Andrew Webster INTERNET SOLUTIONS PROVIDER President http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Inc. Access: PPP - SHELL - UUCP - VPN - ... P.O. Box 147 Hosting: WWW - Email - DB - Your Servers - ... C.S.L. QC H4V 2Y3 tel: 514-990-5911 fax: 514-990-9443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 7:11: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www32.web2010.com (www32.web2010.com [216.157.30.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DAD37BE23 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mdickerson@officeonweb.net) Received: from sami002 ([199.239.2.143]) by www32.web2010.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA28343; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:02:29 -0400 (EDT) From: mdickerson@officeonweb.net Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000621081108.007afc50@officeonweb.net> X-Sender: success15@officeonweb.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:11:08 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Web tracking software Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we're on the subject . . . Has anyone had positive/negative experiences with Live Stats (feel free to incorporate price into either a positive or negative light)? Thank you, Mike Dickerson Officeonweb.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 8:33:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from almso1.proxy.att.com (almso1.att.com [192.128.167.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9587B37BD3B; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fastd@att.com) Received: from gab200r1.ems.att.com ([135.37.94.32]) by almso1.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-2.2) with ESMTP id LAA19467; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mo3980bh2.ems.att.com by gab200r1.ems.att.com (8.8.8+Sun/ATTEMS-1.4.1 sol2) id LAA29940; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mo3980bh2.ems.att.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:32:56 -0500 Message-ID: <5D6D2EC6E987D31199EC00902799EC4A020A7BBF@mo3980po01.ems.att.com> From: "Fast, Daniel H (Danny), SITS" To: "'Narvi'" , Joe Barnhart Cc: Duncan de Verteuil , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Resume... Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:32:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been holding back to respond.......but I will now. This guy, original poster of the his Resume, it does not belong on the list. I did not subscribe to a list to be shot marketing nor am I looking for employees [different sites/lists for that]. His enthusiasm, cockiness, or skills is irrelevant, Gates/Linus could post his....and would still not be appropriate to the list [thumps fist to chest]. I am sure he is a nice guy, just young...may or may not know better...now, can the "RE: Resume" stuff stop? Just my $1.50, anyone got change? :] Danny -----Original Message----- From: Narvi [mailto:narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee] Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 04:19 AM To: Joe Barnhart Cc: Duncan de Verteuil; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Resume... *OH* *MY* *GOD*!!! Why can't you people act more resposibly than the original poster and **NOT** post it to lists it doesn't belong, namely, -security and -isp? This doesn't belong in any of the two. On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Joe Barnhart wrote: > And people wonder why linux is getting so much more...it might just be > because of the *attitudes* on the *bsd lists... > > This is but one of so many I have saved showing nothing but contempt for > people. Oh well, keep being sound blaster compatible...you know, having > support for linux apps instead of attracting the companies to write a > direct port for you. > > Pitiful. > > JB > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 10: 3:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from oberon.wwwnexus.com (oberon.wwwnexus.com [216.71.84.174]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C646037BEE9 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:03:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@smartsoft.cc) Received: from smartsoft.cc (client-209-158-93-84.bellatlantic.net [209.158.93.84]) by oberon.wwwnexus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00289; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:40:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3950F4E8.C5C7A1DC@smartsoft.cc> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:01:28 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: Smartsoft, LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ryder_a@chasma.net Cc: ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, jlschwab@uswest.net Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) References: <20000618031620.B3840@server.nostromo.in-berlin.de> <200006181726.NAA22381@www.invisiware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Ryder wrote: > (Legally registered corporation, not some shit LLC) Thanks very much! An LLC is either a S-Corp or a C-Corp as far as I understand and as legally registered as any "Inc" which might in many cases just be an S-Corp. As far as I know it all comes down to what type of corporation the business is. With an S-Corp which even could be "Inc" as far as I know *personal* and *business* are not as separated as with a C-Corp which actually could be an LLC. I am a foreigner (still I guess) living in the US, My wife and I have an LLC C-Corp which seems to be legally a lot stronger than the S-Corp "Inc" she also has. > We employ over 30 people currently. Great! I always which that my competitors as much employees as possible. It doesn't really apply for the US, but usually the more employees the more trouble... > Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience but we can sure run a > company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. Sure! I have been working in software development since I was 15 years old. Programs I wrote still run on daily bases. My experience is that at that age you need either proper guidance or have to be very focussed on what you want to do. I unfortunately didn't always have the proper guidance... Was very focussed though to annoyance of my parents, especially my mom, who wanted me to be married at 20 I guess... > If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by > conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. I think that is just a state of mind even adults can pass. I also have the tendency to think sometimes I am too good for something... You know what I mean... Too highly paid to clean up my desk or take out the trash... Sorry guys, I know it does not belong on this list. And of course a resume' should be posted at an other list. Of course some of us feel annoyed by the fact that somebody with such an age dares to write a list of experiences like this. I know, I know. We all worked very hard and very long hours for what we know and sometimes have positions with a lot of stress and many bills to pay. Next to that, of course this lists isn't the place for this message nor for any of the others in this thread. So yes, we do get annoyed by something, but indeed it is true that politeness and compassion even in a situation like this will help all of us. I mean, the first thing we want is that people like FreeBSD right and because we are all behind it, they better like us as well. I am not writing this to offend anyone. (I just recently made the same mistake in the borland C++ Builder forums.) I hope I have learned and hope not to do it again. So please, relax, take a beer or something else you would like to drink (I myself prefer the one and only real American Coke!) and laugh if you don't believe it or even if you do. We need enthusiasm for BSD I think. Also... There was a "Mozart" we probably all know or heard about. I wonder how many "Mozart's" there were that never even got a chance... There are still all kinds of "Mozart's" around, in different fields of course. I personally like Beethoven better, but hey, they all were born and appearantly will have their place on this earth. Well, just the look of one of the less experienced in ISP out here, but certainly someone who did the same thing a couple of times. Take care! Jan -- Jan Knepper Smartsoft, LLC 88 Petersburg Road Petersburg, NJ 08270 U.S.A. Phone: 609-628-4260 FAX : 609-628-1267 http://www.smartsoft.cc/ http://www.pianoprincess.com/ http://www.mp3.com/pianoprincess http://www.riffage.com/Bands/0,2939,2859,00.html http://pianoprincess.iuma.com/ http://www.changemusic.com/piano_princess To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 10:14:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C342B37B6D0 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA67003; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:12:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006211712.LAA67003@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "Jan Knepper" , "ryder_a@chasma.net" Cc: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" , "jlschwab@uswest.net" , "ripley@nostromo.in-berlin.de" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:18:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <3950F4E8.C5C7A1DC@smartsoft.cc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm wondering, will this thread ever end? just a question -Simon On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:01:28 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: >Andrew Ryder wrote: > >> (Legally registered corporation, not some shit LLC) > >Thanks very much! > >An LLC is either a S-Corp or a C-Corp as far as I understand and as legally >registered as any "Inc" which might in many cases just be an S-Corp. >As far as I know it all comes down to what type of corporation the business is. >With an S-Corp which even could be "Inc" as far as I know *personal* and >*business* are not as separated as with a C-Corp which actually could be an LLC. > >I am a foreigner (still I guess) living in the US, My wife and I have an LLC >C-Corp which seems to be legally a lot stronger than the S-Corp "Inc" she also >has. > >> We employ over 30 people currently. > >Great! >I always which that my competitors as much employees as possible. It doesn't >really apply for the US, but usually the more employees the more trouble... > >> Teens might lack the 'formal everyday' experience but we can sure run a >> company. The BOD just steers us cleer of iceburgs. > >Sure! >I have been working in software development since I was 15 years old. Programs I >wrote still run on daily bases. >My experience is that at that age you need either proper guidance or have to be >very focussed on what you want to do. I unfortunately didn't always have the >proper guidance... Was very focussed though to annoyance of my parents, >especially my mom, who wanted me to be married at 20 I guess... > >> If anything, teenagers have no boundaries in life and are not worn out by >> conformity. They are willing to work past barriers adults perceive. > >I think that is just a state of mind even adults can pass. >I also have the tendency to think sometimes I am too good for something... You >know what I mean... Too highly paid to clean up my desk or take out the trash... > >Sorry guys, I know it does not belong on this list. And of course a resume' >should be posted at an other list. Of course some of us feel annoyed by the fact >that somebody with such an age dares to write a list of experiences like this. I >know, I know. We all worked very hard and very long hours for what we know and >sometimes have positions with a lot of stress and many bills to pay. Next to >that, of course this lists isn't the place for this message nor for any of the >others in this thread. So yes, we do get annoyed by something, but indeed it is >true that politeness and compassion even in a situation like this will help all >of us. I mean, the first thing we want is that people like FreeBSD right and >because we are all behind it, they better like us as well. I am not writing this >to offend anyone. (I just recently made the same mistake in the borland C++ >Builder forums.) I hope I have learned and hope not to do it again. So please, >relax, take a beer or something else you would like to drink (I myself prefer >the one and only real American Coke!) and laugh if you don't believe it or even >if you do. We need enthusiasm for BSD I think. >Also... There was a "Mozart" we probably all know or heard about. I wonder how >many "Mozart's" there were that never even got a chance... There are still all >kinds of "Mozart's" around, in different fields of course. I personally like >Beethoven better, but hey, they all were born and appearantly will have their >place on this earth. > >Well, just the look of one of the less experienced in ISP out here, but >certainly someone who did the same thing a couple of times. > >Take care! >Jan > > > >-- >Jan Knepper >Smartsoft, LLC >88 Petersburg Road >Petersburg, NJ 08270 >U.S.A. > >Phone: 609-628-4260 >FAX : 609-628-1267 > >http://www.smartsoft.cc/ > >http://www.pianoprincess.com/ >http://www.mp3.com/pianoprincess >http://www.riffage.com/Bands/0,2939,2859,00.html >http://pianoprincess.iuma.com/ >http://www.changemusic.com/piano_princess > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 12:27:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF47D37B951; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:27:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02935; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006211936.PAA02935@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:35:19 -0400 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Dennis Subject: if_de or if_dc? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I asked this on the hackers list and noone answered, so maybe some of the isps know? What is the distiction/benefit of using the if_dc driver rather than the if_de driver with the d-link quad card? They seem to work with both. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 12:36:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399837C06A; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:36:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA62059; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:35:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Dennis Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: if_de or if_dc? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:35:19 EDT." <200006211936.PAA02935@etinc.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:35:58 +0200 Message-ID: <62057.961616158@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200006211936.PAA02935@etinc.com>, Dennis writes: > >I asked this on the hackers list and noone answered, so maybe some of the >isps know? Why don't you spend some time testing it and tell us the result ? -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD coreteam member | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 12:40:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from piranha.amis.net (piranha.amis.net [212.18.32.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEC937B51A; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blaz@amis.net) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.32.66]) by piranha.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247955D44; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:40:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Blaz Zupan X-Sender: blaz@titanic.medinet.si To: Dennis Cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_de or if_dc? In-Reply-To: <200006211936.PAA02935@etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Dennis wrote: > What is the distiction/benefit of using the if_dc driver rather than the > if_de driver with the d-link quad card? They seem to work with both. I'd say, use the if_dc driver, if it works for you. My guess is it will be better maintained (because it actually HAS a maintainer, Bill Paul). Otherwise the only real difference is, that if_dc supports more cards (most of the clones of the original Digital chip). Blaz Zupan, Medinet d.o.o, Linhartova 21, 2000 Maribor, Slovenia E-mail: blaz@amis.net, Tel: +386-2-320-6320, Fax: +386-2-320-6325 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 13:11: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C1037B65D for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:11:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id PAA78338; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:21:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200006212021.PAA78338@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, ryder_a@chasma.net Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:21:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some > shit LLC) with someone who is 17. Wow. Can you tell your head from your ass? Obviously not. Most businesses are "legally registered", including Limited Liability Companies. Now, for bonus points, why don't you describe the real differences between an LLC, the various types of corporations, a general partnership, and a sole propietorship? -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 13:12:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D9937C0D7; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:12:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id PAA78430; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:22:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200006212022.PAA78430@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: if_de or if_dc? To: dennis@etinc.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:22:22 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Either seems to work, but the if_de driver does not properly support full duplex. -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 13:17:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A6C37C050 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA68029 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:15:06 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006212015.OAA68029@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:21:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200006212021.PAA78338@aurora.sol.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Resume... (in defense) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't mean to sound like an ass, but whoever is interested in this discussion, can you please take it off this list? I get enough SPAM as it is. thank you very much. -Simon On Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:21:13 -0500 (CDT), Joe Greco wrote: >> I am 18 and started a company (Legally registered corporation, not some >> shit LLC) with someone who is 17. > >Wow. Can you tell your head from your ass? Obviously not. Most businesses >are "legally registered", including Limited Liability Companies. > >Now, for bonus points, why don't you describe the real differences between >an LLC, the various types of corporations, a general partnership, and a >sole propietorship? >-- >... Joe > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net >Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 13:57:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wormhole.bluestar.net (wormhole.bluestar.net [208.53.1.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA137B8FD for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@planetwe.com) Received: from bsd.planetwe.com ([64.182.69.146]) by wormhole.bluestar.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5LKvm718942 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:57:51 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by bsd.planetwe.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA93751 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:57:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from steve) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:57:48 -0500 From: Steve Price To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: routing Qs Message-ID: <20000621155748.A81471@bsd.planetwe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have a small problem that I need help with. I'm trying to setup a box with two NICs: 192.168.12.11 and 192.168.12.21. The default gateway is 192.168.12.1. This works fine if the 192.168.12.11 interface is up and connected. However, what I'm trying to do is to get traffic to go through the second NIC when the first NIC goes away. I've also tried (to no avail thus far) to setup two default gateways on separate machines: 192.168.12.1 and 192.168.11.1. The two NICs then had addresses 192.168.12.11 and 192.168.11.1 but only being able to set a single default gateway sort of nixes this idea too. Can someone clue me in to the obvious on how to set this up? Thanks. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 14: 3:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from codine.icr.com.au (codine.icr.com.au [203.17.49.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2602937BDE5 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from icr.com.au (fantasy.icr.com.au [203.17.49.120]) by codine.icr.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00507; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:07:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Message-ID: <39512DFA.FCDC5157@icr.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:04:58 +1000 From: Dale Walker Reply-To: dale@icr.com.au Organization: Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) Pty Ltd / ICRnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: routing Qs References: <20000621155748.A81471@bsd.planetwe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have a small problem that I need help with. I'm trying to setup > a box with two NICs: 192.168.12.11 and 192.168.12.21. The default > gateway is 192.168.12.1. This works fine if the 192.168.12.11 > interface is up and connected. However, what I'm trying to do is > to get traffic to go through the second NIC when the first NIC goes > away. > > I've also tried (to no avail thus far) to setup two default gateways > on separate machines: 192.168.12.1 and 192.168.11.1. The two NICs > then had addresses 192.168.12.11 and 192.168.11.1 but only being > able to set a single default gateway sort of nixes this idea too. > > Can someone clue me in to the obvious on how to set this up? > > Thanks. > > -steve Steve, You can do this with a 'ping', and using it's exit status... ie: --------------------------------------------- /usr/sbin/ping -c 1 gw1 && \ /sbin/route change default gw1 || \ /sbin/route change default gw2 --------------------------------------------- however this doesn't allow for the current default route working ok, and will reset your correct route each time it runs... but this may get you started... -- Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 14:30:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from isot.com (isot.com [63.161.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C1C37C007 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:30:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: from student5 (student4.isot.com [63.161.239.80]) by isot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14785 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:25:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005501bfdbd8$ed004520$50efa13f@isot.com> From: "FelixC" To: Subject: Reboot after rc.conf change? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01BFDB9E.403CB7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BFDB9E.403CB7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect without = rebooting? ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BFDB9E.403CB7E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there anyother way to make the = changed rc.conf=20 to take effect without rebooting?
 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BFDB9E.403CB7E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 14:36:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fpsn.net (mail.fpsn.net [63.224.69.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F64837B788 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: from station1 (adsl-151-202-97-90.bellatlantic.net [151.202.97.90]) by mail.fpsn.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA68478; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:34:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Message-Id: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> From: "Simon" To: "FelixC" , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:41:03 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <005501bfdbd8$ed004520$50efa13f@isot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963584=_=_=_" Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963584=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What changes are you referring to? most changes can take effect without a reboot unless it involves a new kernel. -Simon --Original Message Text--- From: FelixC Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700 Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect without rebooting? --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963584=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What changes are you referring to? most changes can take effect without a reboot unless it involves a new kernel.

-Simon

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From: FelixC
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700

Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect without rebooting?



--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_4963584=_=_=_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 14:41:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from codine.icr.com.au (codine.icr.com.au [203.17.49.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6774137C103 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 14:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from icr.com.au (fantasy.icr.com.au [203.17.49.120]) by codine.icr.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA01014; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:45:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Message-ID: <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:42:51 +1000 From: Dale Walker Reply-To: dale@icr.com.au Organization: Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) Pty Ltd / ICRnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cc: FelixC , "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon wrote: > > What changes are you referring to? most changes can take effect > without a reboot unless it involves a new kernel. > > -Simon > > --Original Message Text--- > From: FelixC > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700 > > Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect > without rebooting? If your only changing something that is used as an argument in an app that can be safely stopped/restarted, you can apply the changes by re-running the appropriate /etc/rc.* script.. eg. if you make a balls-up on your firewall config, make the change, and apply by: sh /etc/rc.firewall it will re-read the parameters from /etc/rc.conf... -- Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 15:43: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from isot.com (isot.com [63.161.224.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEFF037B8AA for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: from student5 (student4.isot.com [63.161.239.80]) by isot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00990 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:37:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001401bfdbe3$0fa08360$50efa13f@isot.com> From: "FelixC" To: References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:44:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've added ifconfig_ed0_alias0 ...... to the rc.conf file. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Walker To: Simon Cc: FelixC ; Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? > Simon wrote: > > > > What changes are you referring to? most changes can take effect > > without a reboot unless it involves a new kernel. > > > > -Simon > > > > --Original Message Text--- > > From: FelixC > > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700 > > > > Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect > > without rebooting? > > > If your only changing something that is used as an argument in an app > that can be safely stopped/restarted, you can apply the changes by > re-running the appropriate /etc/rc.* script.. > > eg. if you make a balls-up on your firewall config, make the change, and > apply by: > > sh /etc/rc.firewall > > it will re-read the parameters from /etc/rc.conf... > > > > > -- > Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au > Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au > ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 15:48:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from unix.megared.net.mx (megamail.megared.com.mx [200.52.207.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AEB137B94C for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Received: from ales (ales.corp.megared.net.mx [200.52.193.2]) by unix.megared.net.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16584; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:48:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ales@megared.net.mx) Message-ID: <0b0f01bfdbd2$a43958a0$02c134c8@megared.net.mx> From: "Alejandro Ramirez" To: "FelixC" , References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> <001401bfdbe3$0fa08360$50efa13f@isot.com> Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:47:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try then "ifconfig ed0 inet ... ... ... alias", in the command line. Greetings Ales ----- Original Message ----- From: "FelixC" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? > I've added ifconfig_ed0_alias0 ...... to the rc.conf file. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Walker > To: Simon > Cc: FelixC ; > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? > > > > Simon wrote: > > > > > > What changes are you referring to? most changes can take effect > > > without a reboot unless it involves a new kernel. > > > > > > -Simon > > > > > > --Original Message Text--- > > > From: FelixC > > > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:32:11 -0700 > > > > > > Is there anyother way to make the changed rc.conf to take effect > > > without rebooting? > > > > > > If your only changing something that is used as an argument in an app > > that can be safely stopped/restarted, you can apply the changes by > > re-running the appropriate /etc/rc.* script.. > > > > eg. if you make a balls-up on your firewall config, make the change, and > > apply by: > > > > sh /etc/rc.firewall > > > > it will re-read the parameters from /etc/rc.conf... > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au > > Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au > > ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 15:55:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from codine.icr.com.au (codine.icr.com.au [203.17.49.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719E737BB80 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:55:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from icr.com.au (fantasy.icr.com.au [203.17.49.120]) by codine.icr.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA02415; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:59:28 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Message-ID: <39514842.4BE9F5DE@icr.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:57:06 +1000 From: Dale Walker Reply-To: dale@icr.com.au Organization: Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) Pty Ltd / ICRnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FelixC Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> <001401bfdbe3$0fa08360$50efa13f@isot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FelixC wrote: > > I've added ifconfig_ed0_alias0 ...... to the rc.conf file. > then just try 'sh /etc/rc.network' to get it up.... messy but it should work OK.. The preferred option would be to add the alias on the command line (for an already running system) by: 'ifconfig ed0 inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffffff alias' where "inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffffff" is the contents of the ifconfig_ed0_alias0 variable.. I can't recommend enough, that it is worth reading the /etc/rc.* files to follow it's steps in the bootup process.. it doesn't matter if you can't write shell scripts, at least reading it you'll become familiar with the process the machine goes through in how in deals with /etc/rc.conf,etc... good luck.. -- Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 15:57:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from florence.pavilion.net (florence.pavilion.net [212.74.0.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472C837B94C for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@pavilion.net) Received: from genius.systems.pavilion.net (genesis.tao.org.uk [194.242.131.254]) by florence.pavilion.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA46655; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:57:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from joe@pavilion.net) Received: by genius.systems.pavilion.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id CC98E12548; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:57:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:57:50 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Dale Walker Cc: FelixC , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? Message-ID: <20000621235750.B68489@pavilion.net> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Dale Walker , FelixC , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> <001401bfdbe3$0fa08360$50efa13f@isot.com> <39514842.4BE9F5DE@icr.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <39514842.4BE9F5DE@icr.com.au>; from dale@icr.com.au on Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 08:57:06AM +1000 X-NCC-RegID: uk.pavilion Organisation: Pavilion Internet plc, Lees House, 21-23 Dyke Road, Brighton, England Phone: +44-845-333-5000 Fax: +44-845-333-5001 Mobile: +44-403-596893 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 08:57:06AM +1000, Dale Walker wrote: > FelixC wrote: > > > > I've added ifconfig_ed0_alias0 ...... to the rc.conf file. > > > > then just try 'sh /etc/rc.network' to get it up.... messy but it should > work OK.. The preferred option would be to add the alias on the command > line (for an already running system) > > by: 'ifconfig ed0 inet x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffffff alias' where "inet > x.x.x.x netmask 0xffffffff" is the contents of the ifconfig_ed0_alias0 > variable.. Or /etc/netstart. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 16: 3:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from codine.icr.com.au (codine.icr.com.au [203.17.49.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D7437B980 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 16:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Received: from icr.com.au (fantasy.icr.com.au [203.17.49.120]) by codine.icr.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA02593; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:07:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dale@icr.com.au) Message-ID: <39514A0C.780E2782@icr.com.au> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:04:44 +1000 From: Dale Walker Reply-To: dale@icr.com.au Organization: Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) Pty Ltd / ICRnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser Cc: FelixC , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reboot after rc.conf change? References: <200006212134.PAA68478@mail.fpsn.net> <395136DB.1C4FF14D@icr.com.au> <001401bfdbe3$0fa08360$50efa13f@isot.com> <39514842.4BE9F5DE@icr.com.au> <20000621235750.B68489@pavilion.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Josef Karthauser wrote: > > Or /etc/netstart. > > Joe as quoted on pg10 of the Perl Book (Camel): TMTOWTDI - There is More Than One Way To Do It! ;-) -- Dale Walker dale@icr.com.au Independent Computer Retailers (ICR) http://www.icr.com.au ICRnet http://www.icr.net.au To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 17: 7: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9DE37B722; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03513; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006220011.UAA03513@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:10:44 -0400 To: Joe Greco , isp@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: if_de or if_dc? In-Reply-To: <200006212022.PAA78430@aurora.sol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:22 PM 6/21/00 -0500, Joe Greco wrote: >Either seems to work, but the if_de driver does not properly support full >duplex. is that for all cards, or just some? The cards Im using seem to detect correctly for all the hubs, switches and crossovers to cards that I've tried with the de driver. "new and supported" is good, but "tried and tested" has value also. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jun 21 18:18:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D017337BC60; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id UAA99862; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:27:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200006220127.UAA99862@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: if_de or if_dc? In-Reply-To: <200006220011.UAA03513@etinc.com> from Dennis at "Jun 21, 2000 8:10:44 pm" To: dennis@etinc.com (Dennis) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:27:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 03:22 PM 6/21/00 -0500, Joe Greco wrote: > >Either seems to work, but the if_de driver does not properly support full > >duplex. > > is that for all cards, or just some? For the specific card you mentioned. I still use the SMC 9334BDT's (dual Tulip 21143) here and they work great at full-duplex. And they're still available. > The cards Im using seem to detect correctly for all the hubs, switches and > crossovers to cards that I've tried with the de driver. > > "new and supported" is good, but "tried and tested" has value also. > > Dennis > -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 22 3:33:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Post.com2com.ru (post.com2com.ru [195.98.160.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6DA437BA2A for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:32:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Received: from VIGOV (ws215.com2com.ru [195.98.160.215]) by Post.com2com.ru (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA58107 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:32:41 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vigov@com2com.ru) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:44:28 +0400 From: vigov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42f) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: vigov Organization: 2Com X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8613762798.20000622144428@com2com.ru> To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NULL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there! Cisco has device NULL, and we can route everything to this device, for example routes to dialup pools. Is there something for FreeBSD, i was trying lo0 with reject and blackhole flags, but it wasn't work. Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 22 7:22:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [205.181.254.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D2CA37B5E3 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:22:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@chocobo.cx) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 66C683D67; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:22:25 -0400 From: Chip Marshall To: vigov Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NULL Message-ID: <20000622102225.A48852@setzer.chocobo.cx> Reply-To: chip@chocobo.cx References: <8613762798.20000622144428@com2com.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.4i In-Reply-To: <8613762798.20000622144428@com2com.ru>; from vigov@com2com.ru on Thu, Jun 22, 2000 at 02:44:28PM +0400 X-URL: http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ X-OS: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On June 22, 2000, vigov sent me the following: > Hi there! Cisco has device NULL, and we can route everything to this > device, for example routes to dialup pools. > Is there something for FreeBSD, i was trying lo0 with reject and > blackhole flags, but it wasn't work. There is the discard device, added to the kernel with a pseudo-device disc It adds the ds0 device, which just gets rid of packets sent to it. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ Finger for PGP GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a18>? C++ UB++++$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N+@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS PE Y? PGP++ t+@ 5 X R>+ tv+() b++>+++ DI++++ D(-) G++ e>++ h!>++ r-- y- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 22 14:59:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.workofstone.net (w121.z208177130.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.130.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1049737BEDB for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net) Received: from timberwolf (c956029-a.haywd2.sfba.home.com [24.0.78.216]) by mail.workofstone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13026; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006222159.OAA13026@mail.workofstone.net> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: schluntz@workofstone.com Reply-To: "Sean J. Schluntz" Subject: Question about ways to do eMail authintication. Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:56:09 -0700 From: schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 'scuze the spelling ;) I have seen on a number of sites where you enter information on a web site and then to authinticate that it really was you (like to be added to a mailing list or to a BBS) it sends you an eMail with a special URL or code to be emailed back that is some sort of hash that does not get duplicated across different users. Any of you know of a good piece of software to do that? Prefurably free or open source but commercial will do in a pinch. Thanks for the help! -Sean -------- Sean J. Schluntz schluntz@workofstone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 22 15:12:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B4937BF6C for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:12:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from dannyh.freebsd.org (surry-pool-164.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.164] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13785; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:13:38 +1000 From: Danny To: "Sean J. Schluntz" , schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Question about ways to do eMail authintication. Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:20:08 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: schluntz@workofstone.com References: <200006222159.OAA13026@mail.workofstone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062408211500.00297@dannyh.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org - Digitial Signatures? - Digital signature does use the hashing technique -Hope that helps On Fri, 23 Jun 2000, schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net wrote: > 'scuze the spelling ;) > > I have seen on a number of sites where you enter information on a web site > and then to authinticate that it really was you (like to be added to a > mailing list or to a BBS) it sends you an eMail with a special URL or code > to be emailed back that is some sort of hash that does not get duplicated > across different users. > > Any of you know of a good piece of software to do that? Prefurably free > or open source but commercial will do in a pinch. > > Thanks for the help! > > -Sean > > -------- > Sean J. Schluntz schluntz@workofstone.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jun 22 15:20:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.workofstone.net (w121.z208177130.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.177.130.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3546837BE81 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:20:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net) Received: from timberwolf (c956029-a.haywd2.sfba.home.com [24.0.78.216]) by mail.workofstone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13281; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006222220.PAA13281@mail.workofstone.net> To: Danny Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about ways to do eMail authintication. Reply-To: "Sean J. Schluntz" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:20:08 +1000." <00062408211500.00297@dannyh.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:16:30 -0700 From: schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <00062408211500.00297@dannyh.freebsd.org>, Danny writes: >- Digitial Signatures? >- Digital signature does use the hashing technique >-Hope that helps I've got a couple of ideas on how to do it, but I really don't want to have to build it myself. I'm hoping someone knows of a package that does something like it already (like some mail-list software packages do, you have to respond to them before they subscribe you.) Thanks for the feedback though! -Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 4:44: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from durango.picus.com (durango.picus.com [209.100.20.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29C337B5CD for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@picus.com) Received: from abyss [209.100.22.250] by durango.picus.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id ACEC6001BC; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:41:32 -0400 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Sean J. Schluntz" , "Danny" Cc: Subject: RE: Question about ways to do eMail authintication. Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200006222220.PAA13281@mail.workofstone.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We do this using PHP. The key we generate and email to the user is something like this: $key = substr(md5($username . $email . $time . $REMOTE_HOST),0,8) It's not perfect, but it's sufficient to prevent guessing, and has worked well enough for us over the last couple years. Similar functions are availiable in perl and can also be duplicated in a simple shell script (/sbin/md5). G'luck, -- Troy Settle Network Analyst Picus Communications 540.633.6327 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of ** schluntz@timberwolf.workofstone.net ** Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 6:17 PM ** To: Danny ** Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: Re: Question about ways to do eMail authintication. ** ** ** ** In message <00062408211500.00297@dannyh.freebsd.org>, Danny writes: ** >- Digitial Signatures? ** >- Digital signature does use the hashing technique ** >-Hope that helps ** ** I've got a couple of ideas on how to do it, but I really ** don't want to have ** to build it myself. I'm hoping someone knows of a package that does ** something like it already (like some mail-list software ** packages do, you ** have to respond to them before they subscribe you.) ** ** Thanks for the feedback though! ** ** -Sean ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 5:48:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from server.comnix.com (ns1.comnix.com [195.196.30.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 42AB937B58C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 19273 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 12:48:28 -0000 Received: from t3o41p18.telia.com (HELO sandra) (195.67.252.138) by ns1.comnix.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2000 12:48:28 -0000 Message-ID: <000701bfdd11$58c8cb40$8afc43c3@sandra> From: "John Angelmo" To: Subject: nat error Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:48:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi On one of my public servers I want to be able to connecto to the private = isp on the internal net and I use natd: #Firewall config natd -interface ed1 /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add 00300 divert natd all from any to any via ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00301 deny log tcp from any to any 515 in recv ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00302 allow icmp from any to any in recv ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00303 allow log icmp from any to any in recv ed1 icmptype = 3 /sbin/ipfw add 00304 allow log icmp from any to any in recv ed1 icmptype = 8 /sbin/ipfw add 00305 pass all from any to any That is my simple firewall/natd config no I though that I could connect to# ftp 193.44.56.36 8099 But then I just get: ftp: connect: Connection refused ftp>=20 BUt when I do a ftp 192.168.1.3 8099 everything is OK Please help me I must be able to reach my dockument from the external = ftp.. /John Angelmo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 5:54:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from server.comnix.com (ns1.comnix.com [195.196.30.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 87BF537BA0C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@veidit.net) Received: (qmail 19372 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2000 12:54:25 -0000 Received: from t3o41p18.telia.com (HELO sandra) (195.67.252.138) by ns1.comnix.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2000 12:54:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001001bfdd12$2d1eb440$8afc43c3@sandra> From: "John Angelmo" To: References: <000701bfdd11$58c8cb40$8afc43c3@sandra> Subject: SV: nat error Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:54:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SOrry I forgot the important line :-) natd -redirect_port tcp 192.168.1.3:8099 193.44.56.36:8099 -interface = ed1 /John ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Angelmo To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 2:48 PM Subject: nat error Hi On one of my public servers I want to be able to connecto to the private = isp on the internal net and I use natd: #Firewall config natd -interface ed1 /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add 00300 divert natd all from any to any via ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00301 deny log tcp from any to any 515 in recv ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00302 allow icmp from any to any in recv ed1 /sbin/ipfw add 00303 allow log icmp from any to any in recv ed1 icmptype = 3 /sbin/ipfw add 00304 allow log icmp from any to any in recv ed1 icmptype = 8 /sbin/ipfw add 00305 pass all from any to any That is my simple firewall/natd config no I though that I could connect to# ftp 193.44.56.36 8099 But then I just get: ftp: connect: Connection refused ftp>=20 BUt when I do a ftp 192.168.1.3 8099 everything is OK Please help me I must be able to reach my dockument from the external = ftp.. /John Angelmo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 7:12:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from adsl-63-201-55-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (adsl-63-201-55-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.55.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E4737B867 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwgray@netbox.com) Received: from netbox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adsl-63-201-55-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA93586; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jwgray@netbox.com) Message-ID: <39536FAF.3FEE41A7@netbox.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 07:09:51 -0700 From: Jeff Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: named resources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am considering setting up another name server. To properly spec it decided to get some idea of the bandwidth is consumes on one of our current nameservers. netstat|grep -c dom Thought this should give me the current number of connections but..... it gives a fixed number of connections. That is, each time I run it over a two day period Iget the same output. netstat| grep LISTEN| grep -c dom This cuts the number in half, removes the udp connections, but as it is half it too is constant. How to get the munber of current named connections ? Other advice also happily accepted. Thanks jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 18:17:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.bellnetworks.net (www.bellnetworks.net [208.177.187.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E12C37B56E for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jerry@bellnetworks.net) Received: from itbell2 ([208.177.187.246]) by www.bellnetworks.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA85208; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:15:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerry@bellnetworks.net) From: Jerry Bell Message-ID: <000b01bfdd78$b462efa0$f6bbb1d0@bellnetworks.net> To: "Jeff Gray" , References: <39536FAF.3FEE41A7@netbox.com> Subject: Re: named resources Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:08:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since DNS is UDP based (which is connectionless), you won't be able to use netstat. You can use the 'ndc stats' command and look at the named.memstats file it generates to get the number of requests it has serviced. Hope that helps. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Gray" To: Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: named resources > Am considering setting up another name server. To properly spec it > decided to get some idea of the bandwidth is consumes on one of our > current nameservers. > > netstat|grep -c dom > > Thought this should give me the current number of connections but..... > it gives a fixed number of connections. > That is, each time I run it over a two day period Iget the same output. > > netstat| grep LISTEN| grep -c dom > > This cuts the number in half, removes the udp connections, but as it is > half it too is constant. > > How to get the munber of current named connections ? > > Other advice also happily accepted. > > Thanks > jeff > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 21: 5:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.govital.net (mail.govital.net [216.94.149.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AE137B507 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 21:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@govital.net) Received: from vit1 (dyn-host-209-25.govital.net [209.47.194.25]) by mail.govital.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA13321 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:09:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from scott@govital.net) Message-ID: <029501bfdd91$58719b60$19c22fd1@ns.govitalinternet.com> From: "Go Vital Internet Inc" To: Subject: billing software Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 00:04:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We are looking for some sort of billing software that will automatically track users/account information as well as archive a record of all past transactions with a user. No online credit card stuff, just a simple database-like operation is required. Our systems all draw their users/configuration from one central fileserver. We would like to be able to interface the billing in a similar manner to this already existing system, (CGI/perl based). Scott Dao scott@govital.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 23 22:42:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alpha.net.au (mail2.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E7D37BB3C for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 22:42:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyh@idx.com.au) Received: from dannyh.freebsd.org (surry-pool-171.alpha.net.au [203.41.44.171] (may be forged)) by mail.alpha.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21355; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:43:25 +1000 From: Danny To: "Go Vital Internet Inc" , Subject: Re: billing software Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:50:32 +1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <029501bfdd91$58719b60$19c22fd1@ns.govitalinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062515510900.00419@dannyh.freebsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org www.billmax.com Works with the freeBSD OS Provides a GUI webbased interface Written in C (i believe) On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Go Vital Internet Inc wrote: > We are looking for some sort of billing software that will automatically > track users/account information as well as archive a record of all past > transactions with a user. No online credit card stuff, just a simple > database-like operation is required. > Our systems all draw their users/configuration from one central > fileserver. We would like to be able to interface the billing in a similar > manner to this already existing system, (CGI/perl based). > > Scott Dao > scott@govital.net > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jun 24 6:49: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ultra2.quiknet.com (ultra2.quiknet.com [207.183.249.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1653C37B632 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dave@allunix.com) Received: (qmail 3257 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2000 13:48:46 -0000 Received: from 209.240.3-2.fo.pmpool.quiknet.com (HELO tiffany) (207.183.240.209) by ultra2.quiknet.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2000 13:48:46 -0000 From: Dave@allunix.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 06:48:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: billing software Message-ID: <395459B0.31319.6C7F378@localhost> In-reply-to: <00062515510900.00419@dannyh.freebsd.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The problem with billmax is that it installs its own mysql and apache programs and will not install if mysql is up and running. freeside is still my choice. David DeTinne On 25 Jun 2000, at 15:50, Danny wrote: > > www.billmax.com > > Works with the freeBSD OS > Provides a GUI webbased interface > Written in C (i believe) > > > > On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Go Vital Internet Inc wrote: > > We are looking for some sort of billing software that will automatically > > track users/account information as well as archive a record of all past > > transactions with a user. No online credit card stuff, just a simple > > database-like operation is required. > > Our systems all draw their users/configuration from one central > > fileserver. We would like to be able to interface the billing in a similar > > manner to this already existing system, (CGI/perl based). > > > > Scott Dao > > scott@govital.net > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message