From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 9:35:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E940837B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (user-38lc8kg.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.34.144]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08165 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 09:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: File pruning from archive Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have a good suggestion for pruning obsolete files and directories from disk archives created with dump and restore? I have experimented with perl scripts checking for diffs and then deleting the files from the backup disk, but haven't come up with anything I consider extremely efficient. Thanks, -- Jim Weeks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 14:36:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C7437B43C for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from speedy.ludd.luth.se (speedy.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.164]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14093; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:36:04 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200009172136.XAA14093@mother.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Jim Weeks Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: File pruning from archive In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Weeks of "Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:33:27 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:36:04 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone have a good suggestion for pruning obsolete files and > directories from disk archives created with dump and restore? > > I have experimented with perl scripts checking for diffs and then deleting > the files from the backup disk, but haven't come up with anything I > consider extremely efficient. I do not understand what you are trying to do, but if all you want is two identical disk you shoud take a look at rsync (/usr/port/net/rsync) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 15:39: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8F1537B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 81943 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2000 22:38:58 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2000 22:38:58 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000917183721.0f6e5e48@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:37:54 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Subject: socket Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What would I have disabled that would cause normal users to get the following message when trying to use ping or traceroute. ping: socket: Operation not permitted Thanks Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 15:40:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [207.154.226.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ABA37B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1061) id 32C4F2B232; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:40:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:40:29 -0500 From: David Drum To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail box trimming tool Message-ID: <20000917174029.A94914@elvis.mu.org> Mail-Followup-To: David Drum , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200009151707.NAA32297@eviloverlord.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009151707.NAA32297@eviloverlord.org>; from mgoward@eviloverlord.org on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:07:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Quoth Matt Goward: > Does anyone know of a tool that given a username and quota, will trim a > mail box by deleting the oldest message until it is at the quota? Based on some statistics I generated for the 60,000-plus mailboxes I am responsible for, the median size is usually very small (under 1KB) but the standard deviation is very large (around 1.5MB). So I don't know that expiring based on a space quota is appropriate, since mailbox sizes vary greatly. We expire messages that are over 14 days old (based on the headers). I've attached the script we use. Regards, David Drum david@mu.org --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd Content-Type: application/x-perl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="expire_mail.pl" #!/usr/local/bin/perl # # Copyright (c) Information Systems, The Press Association Limited 1993 # Portions Copyright (c) Computer Newspaper Services Limited 1993 # All rights reserved. # # License to use, copy, modify, and distribute this work and its # documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby granted, # provided that you also ensure modified files carry prominent notices # stating that you changed the files and the date of any change, ensure # that the above copyright notice appear in all copies, that both the # copyright notice and this permission notice appear in supporting # documentation, and that the name of Computer Newspaper Services not # be used in advertising or publicity pertaining to distribution or use # of the work without specific, written prior permission from Computer # Newspaper Services. # # By copying, distributing or modifying this work (or any derived work) # you indicate your acceptance of this license and all its terms and # conditions. # # THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, # EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY IMPLIED # WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, AND # NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY # AND PERFORMANCE OF THE SOFTWARE, INCLUDING ANY DUTY TO SUPPORT OR # MAINTAIN, BELONGS TO THE LICENSEE. SHOULD ANY PORTION OF THE SOFTWARE # PROVE DEFECTIVE, THE LICENSEE (NOT THE COPYRIGHT OWNER) ASSUMES THE # ENTIRE COST OF ALL SERVICING, REPAIR AND CORRECTION. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE COPYRIGHT OWNER BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL # DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR # PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS # ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF # THIS SOFTWARE. # # # $Id: expire_mail.pl,v 1.20 1999/02/03 00:13:40 root Exp $ # # # Information Systems Engineering Group # Phil Male # local($_rcsid) = '$Id: expire_mail.pl,v 1.20 1999/02/03 00:13:40 root Exp $'; local($_copyright) = 'Copyright (c) Information Systems, The Press Association Limited 1993'; use Getopt::Long; # option handling use Time::ParseDate; # Time parsing require "ctime.pl"; # time conversion require "stat.pl"; # file status # Perl mail expire. # This program removes old messages from system mailboxes. # It assumes the format of mailboxes to be standard # sendmail format mail with a blank line followed by a `From ' line # starting each and every message. Mailbox locking is via flock. # Works under SunOS. # # Options as follows: # -verbose verbose output # -version display version information and quit # -debug debug mode (no change to mailbox) # -cron display messages for crontab output # -zero do not delete zero length mailboxes # -noreset do not reset access and modification times on mailbox # -alwaysopen always open mailbox, never just test modification date # -appendmsg append a message detailing deleted messages for the user # -deliverydate do not record delivery of mail summary on mailbox date # -write directory write the expired mail to a tmporary file in directory # -older days messages whose age is greater than days are expired # -from user only consider messages from user (regexp) # -status read|old only consider messages with status `old' or `read' # -subject subject only consider messages with subject (regexp) # # Based on expire_mail by Steve Mitchell (steve_mitchell@csufresno.edu) # ##### # # Definitions # ##### open (CW, "/etc/sendmail.cw"); $cw = ; close (CW); chomp $cw; # site postmaster - XXX change this as required $postmaster = "helpdesk"; $postmaster .= "\@$cw" if ($cw ne ""); # current user $me = getlogin || (getpwuid($<))[0] || "unknown"; $home = $ENV{'HOME'}; # default mailbox for a user - XXX change this as required $default_mailbox = $ENV{'MAIL'} || "/var/mail/$me"; # notice to append to list of deleted messages $notice = " Please read your mail on a regular basis. Old mail should be deleted, or be filed in your personal mail folders. If you do not know how to use mail folders, please contact the helpdesk. If you have any other queries regarding the mail system, please send mail to $postmaster. Processed by $_rcsid"; # set the umask for temp files umask( 0177 ); # make stdout unbuffered select(STDOUT); $| = 1; $LOCK_EX = 2; # lock $LOCK_UN = 8; # unlock $START_TIME = time; # time right now $SEC_PER_DAY = 24 * 60 * 60; # seconds in a day $line_buffer = ""; # empty line buffer ##### # # Support # ##### # line buffer for look-ahead sub get_line { local( $line ) = ""; # line to return if( ! ($line_buffer eq "") ) { $line = $line_buffer; $line_buffer = ""; } else { $line = ; } return $line; } # read message from mailbox sub read_message { local( $msg ) = ""; # message to send back local( $seen_from ) = 0; # seen a from line local( $line ) = ""; # current line # reset some globals $msg_status = ""; $msg_subject = ""; $msg_date = ""; while( $line = &get_line ) { # if( $line =~ /^From\s+([^\s]+)\s+([A-Za-z]+\s+[A-Za-z]+\s+[0-9]+\s+[0-9:]+.*\s+[0-9]+)$/ ) { if( $line =~ /^From\s+(\S+)\s+.*?([\w\s]*\d\d:\d\d:\d\d[\w\s]*).*?$/ ) { # if previous line was blank, then legal from line # if already seen a legal from line, then this is next message if( $seen_from ) { # pushback this from line $line_buffer = $line; return $msg; } $seen_from++; # From line found, extract information ( $msg_from, $msg_date ) = ( $1, $2 ); $msg_stamp = &rctime( $msg_date ); print "Unable to parse date: $msg_date\n" if (!$msg_stamp); $msg_age = &days_old( $msg_stamp ); } elsif( $line =~ /^[Ss]tatus: ([A-Za-z]+)/ ) { ( $msg_status ) = ( $1 ); } elsif( $line =~ /^[Ss]ubject: (.*)$/ ) { ( $msg_subject ) = ( $1 ); } $msg .= $line; } return $msg; } # write a message into a mailbox sub write_message { print TMPF "@_"; } # parse the ctime string into a time value # From line contains local time sub rctime { local( $pt ) = @_; # time to convert local( $ct ) = -1; # converted time $ct = parsedate ($pt, WHOLE => 1, DATE_REQUIRED => 1, TIME_REQUIRED => 1, NO_RELATIVE => 1, PREFER_PAST => 1); # take another crack at it in case the header is malformed $ct = parsedate ($pt, DATE_REQUIRED => 1, TIME_REQUIRED => 1, NO_RELATIVE => 1, PREFER_PAST => 1) unless ($ct); return $ct; } # age in days sub days_old { local( $agev ) = @_; # time to convert return( ( $START_TIME - $agev ) / $SEC_PER_DAY ); } # basename sub basename { local( $path ) = @_; # path to find the base of local( $base ) = rindex( $path, "/" ); if( $base < 0 ) { $base = $path; } else { $base = substr($path, $base + 1); } return $base; } # usage message sub usage { print STDERR "usage: expire_mail [-verbose -cron -version] [-zero -alwaysopen -noreset -deliverydate -appendmsg] [-debug -write directory] { [-older days] [-from user] [-status read|old] [-subject subject] } mailbox...\n"; exit 0; } ##### # # Main # ##### &GetOptions("verbose", "version", "debug", "cron", "zero", "noreset", "appendmsg", "deliverydate", "older=i", "from=s", "subject=s", "status=s", "alwaysopen", "write=s") || &usage; # compat $opt_older = $opt_older if ($opt_older && !$opt_older); # check version if( $opt_version ) { print "expire_mail: mail expiry agent\n"; print "expire_mail: $_rcsid\n"; &usage; } # use default mailbox if non supplied if( $#ARGV < $[ ) { $ARGV[0] = "$default_mailbox"; } # decode status option if( $opt_status ) { if( $opt_status eq "old" ) { $opt_status = "O"; } elsif( $opt_status eq "read" ) { $opt_status = "R"; } else { print STDERR "expire_mail: status may only be one of `old' or `unread'\n"; &usage; } } # check we are actually doing some processing if(!defined $opt_older && !defined $opt_from && !defined $opt_status && !defined $opt_subject ) { print STDERR "expire_mail: must specify at least one of -older, -from, -status or -subject\n"; &usage; } # debug mode implies verbose mode if( $opt_debug ) { $opt_verbose = 1; } # foreach mailbox... while( $mailbox = shift ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "Checking mailbox $mailbox\n"; } # does mailbox exist if( ! -f $mailbox ) { next; } # stat the mailbox @sb = &Stat($mailbox); # can it be deleted now? if( !$opt_alwaysopen && $opt_older ) { # check the modification date $age = &days_old($sb[$ST_MTIME]); if( $age > $opt_older ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "Expiring mailbox $mailbox\n"; } if( !$opt_debug ) { if( $opt_zero ) { open( MBOX, ">$mailbox" ) || print STDERR "expire_mail: failed to truncate $mailbox\n"; close( MBOX ); } else { unlink( $mailbox ) || print STDERR "expire_mail: failed to remove $mailbox\n"; } } next; } } # open the mailbox if( !open( MBOX, "+<$mailbox" ) ) { print STDERR "expire_mail: unable to open $mailbox\n"; next; } # lock the mailbox if( !flock( MBOX, $LOCK_EX ) ) { print STDERR "expire_mail: unable to lock $mailbox\n"; close( MBOX ); next; } # open the temporary file $tmpname = "${mailbox}.exp.$$"; if( !open( TMPF, "+>$tmpname" ) ) { print STDERR "expire_mail: unable to create temporary file for $mailbox\n"; close( MBOX ); next; } if(defined $opt_write) { my $tmp = $mailbox; @a = split(/\//,$tmp); $ntmp = "$opt_write/${a[$#a]}.expwrite.$$"; if( !open( EXPIRED, "+>$ntmp") ) { print STDERR "expire_mail: unable to create debug file for $mailbox\n"; close MBOX; next; } } # init counters $count = 0; $exp = 0; @subjects = (); # read each message in turn while( $msg = &read_message ) { $count++; # looking for specific from users if( $opt_from ) { if( ! ($msg_from =~ /$opt_from/i) ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "\tMsg #$count: from \r"; } &write_message( $msg ); next; } } # check message status if( $opt_status ) { if( !($msg_status =~ /$opt_status/i) ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "\tMsg #$count: status \r"; } &write_message( $msg ); next; } } # check message subject if( $opt_subject ) { if( ! ($msg_subject =~ /$opt_subject/i) ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "\tMsg #$count: subject \r"; } &write_message( $msg ); next; } } # only other thing to check is message age if( $opt_older ) { if( $msg_age <= $opt_older ) { if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "\tMsg #$count: newer \r"; } &write_message( $msg ); next; } } # save the expired messages if (defined $opt_write) { print EXPIRED $msg; } # log the expiry if( $opt_verbose ) { print STDOUT "\tMsg #$count: expired \r"; } # copy message across if in debug if( $opt_debug ) { &write_message( $msg ); } else { # record the mail message from and subject line $pad = ' ' x (25 - length($msg_from) ); $npad = ' ' x ( 4 - length($count) ); $subjects[$exp] = "$npad$count $msg_from$pad $msg_date\n $msg_subject\n"; } # increment the expired message count $exp++; } if( !$opt_debug ) { # if sending mail to the owner of the mailbox, append message on the end if( defined $opt_appendmsg && $exp > 0 ) { chomp( $lt = localtime(time) ); print TMPF "\nFrom $postmaster $lt\n"; print TMPF "From: $postmaster (Mail Expiry Agent)\n"; chomp( $ct = &ctime(time) ); @ct = split (/\s+/, $ct); $ct = join (' ', $ct[0] . ",", $ct[2], $ct[1], $ct[5], $ct[3], "(" . $ct[4] . ")"); print TMPF "Date: $ct\n"; $to = &basename( $mailbox ); print TMPF "To: $to\n"; print TMPF "Subject: Expired Mail Summary\n\n"; print TMPF "The following messages have been automatically removed from your\n"; print TMPF "mailbox by the mail expiry agent.\n\n"; # fitted to $subjects layout print TMPF " Msg From & Subject Dated\n\n"; foreach $msg ( @subjects ) { print TMPF "$msg\n"; } print TMPF "$notice\n\n"; if( !$opt_deliverydate ) { # set the modification time for the mailbox to be now $sb[$ST_MTIME] = time; } } # copy data back into mailbox to preserve permissions, creation time # and user and group id # zero length the mailbox truncate( MBOX, 0 ); # *** START Critical # any data to copy? if( $exp <= $count ) { # restart both files seek(MBOX, 0, 0); seek(TMPF, 0, 0); # copy file into mailbox, better with sysread/syswrite? while( ) { print MBOX $_; } } elsif( !defined $opt_zero ) { unlink( $mailbox ); } # *** END Critical } # unlock mailbox flock( MBOX, $LOCK_UN ); # close files close( MBOX ); close( TMPF ); unlink( $tmpname ); # reset access and modification dates # if we have sent mail, then the modification time is the time of the mail if( !defined $opt_noreset ) { utime( $sb[$ST_ATIME], $sb[$ST_MTIME], $mailbox ); } # show counters if( $opt_verbose || ( $opt_cron && $exp ) ) { print "$mailbox contained $count messages, expired $exp messages\n"; } } --vkogqOf2sHV7VnPd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 15:41:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pawn.primelocation.net (pawn.primelocation.net [205.161.238.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E0D37B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix, from userid 1016) id 08EC19B05; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pawn.primelocation.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18EABA03; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chris D. Faulhaber" X-Sender: cdf.lists@pawn.primelocation.net To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: socket In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000917183721.0f6e5e48@mail.mikesweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Mike wrote: > What would I have disabled that would cause normal users to get the > following message when trying to use ping or traceroute. > ping: socket: Operation not permitted > Removed their suid bits ----- Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 15:46:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F01D37B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 82966 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2000 22:46:55 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 2000 22:46:55 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000917184534.0f710028@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:45:51 -0400 To: "Chris D. Faulhaber" From: Mike Subject: Re: socket Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000917183721.0f6e5e48@mail.mikesweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ahh, thanks... a quick chmod 4555 fixed that.. =) At 06:41 PM 9/17/2000 -0400, Chris D. Faulhaber wrote: >On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Mike wrote: > > > What would I have disabled that would cause normal users to get the > > following message when trying to use ping or traceroute. > > ping: socket: Operation not permitted > > > >Removed their suid bits > >----- >Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org >-------------------------------------------------------- >FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 15:50:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (tun.AwfulHak.org [194.242.139.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152D137B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:50:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8HMlcv42458; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:47:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8HMhsm03795; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:43:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200009172243.e8HMhsm03795@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: socket In-Reply-To: Message from Mike of "Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:37:54 EDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000917183721.0f6e5e48@mail.mikesweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:43:54 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What would I have disabled that would cause normal users to get the > following message when trying to use ping or traceroute. > ping: socket: Operation not permitted Your firewall ? If you've got a firewall configured, it usually defaults to rejecting everything. > Thanks > Mike -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 19:31:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from black.purplecat.net (ns1.purplecat.net [209.16.228.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F39937B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ci337160a (ci377160-a.ashvil1.nc.home.com [24.15.65.209]) by black.purplecat.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA21644 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:33:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pbrezny@purplecat.net) Reply-To: From: "Peter Brezny" To: Subject: FW: Apache perl script execution. Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c02118$0b932be0$c901a8c0@ashvil1.nc.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I sent this to the freebsd-www list (thinking i could then subscribe) but being a closed list, majordodo wouldn't let me in. If anyone would care to share a chunk of their httpd.conf file. I'm sure this is mind numbingly simple, but i'm stuck. TIA. Also, i'm running name virtual hosts (if that makes any difference). peter -----Original Message----- From: Peter Brezny [mailto:pbrezny@purplecat.net] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:06 PM To: 'freebsd-www@freebsd.org' Subject: Apache perl script execution. Hi, This should be a simple question, but i've not been able to figure it out searching around in apache.org or perl.org. I'm running an old freebsd 2.2.6 install with perl (i think version5) and apache. I have a FormMail.pl script located in side a document root with rwxr_x__x permissions that allows execution by any random user in a shell script. However, when the contact.html form hits the script, the browser wants to know if I would like to download the file. I'm sure there is something simple i've missed in the httpd.conf file, and i think it migh be that I just don't know how to configure the following commmented out lines in my httpd.conf file, but the bottom line is, i'm stuck. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. Peter Brezny purplecat.net is this my problem? do i need to uncomment and modify these lines? if so, do you have an example I can follow. Thanks in Advance. # Action lets you define media types that will execute a script whenever # a matching file is called. This eliminates the need for repeated URL # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 20:48:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F73337B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:48:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (user-38lc8kg.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.34.144]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20914; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Peter Brezny Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FW: Apache perl script execution. In-Reply-To: <000901c02118$0b932be0$c901a8c0@ashvil1.nc.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should name the file *.cgi if it lives outside the cgi-bin, and uncomment the line AddHandler cgi-script .cgi in your httpd.conf hope this helps, -- Jim Weeks On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Peter Brezny wrote: > I sent this to the freebsd-www list (thinking i could then subscribe) but > being a closed list, majordodo wouldn't let me in. > > If anyone would care to share a chunk of their httpd.conf file. I'm sure > this is mind numbingly simple, but i'm stuck. > > TIA. > > Also, i'm running name virtual hosts (if that makes any difference). > > peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Brezny [mailto:pbrezny@purplecat.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:06 PM > To: 'freebsd-www@freebsd.org' > Subject: Apache perl script execution. > > > Hi, This should be a simple question, but i've not been able to figure it > out searching around in apache.org or perl.org. > > I'm running an old freebsd 2.2.6 install with perl (i think version5) and > apache. > > I have a FormMail.pl script located in side a document root with rwxr_x__x > permissions that allows execution by any random user in a shell script. > > However, when the contact.html form hits the script, the browser wants to > know if I would like to download the file. > > I'm sure there is something simple i've missed in the httpd.conf file, and i > think it migh be that I just don't know how to configure the following > commmented out lines in my httpd.conf file, but the bottom line is, i'm > stuck. > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Peter Brezny > purplecat.net > > > is this my problem? do i need to uncomment and modify these lines? if so, > do you have an example I can follow. > > Thanks in Advance. > > # Action lets you define media types that will execute a script whenever > # a matching file is called. This eliminates the need for repeated URL > # pathnames for oft-used CGI file processors. > # Format: Action media/type /cgi-script/location > # Format: Action handler-name /cgi-script/location > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 22:18:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD3BE37B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:18:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31747 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2000 05:18:18 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 05:18:18 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:17:15 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Subject: pw & passwords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am working on a perl program to automate setting users up on my box, and I am wanting to user pw in a system call, and am wondering how I can give it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The closest I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull that one off.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 22:24:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.actweb.net (mail.actweb.net [203.30.194.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AA737B422 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horoschun (ofc-2.actweb.net [203.30.194.42]) by mail.actweb.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8I5OIE56135; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:24:18 +1100 (EST) Message-ID: <001f01c02138$ab377f00$2ac21ecb@actweb.net> From: "Matthew Horoschun" To: , "Mike" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> Subject: Re: pw & passwords Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:21:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The closest > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull that > one off.. Hi Mike, Something like this will do it: $execcmd = "echo $password | pw useradd -m -n $user -c \"$fullname\" -g mygroup -s nologin -h 0"; Cheers Matthew. -- Matthew Horoschun Network Administrator ActWEB.NET Pty. Ltd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 22:27:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9B837B42C for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aspenworks.com (hh1127215.direcpc.com [206.71.127.215]) by aspenworks.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8I5RUU24476 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:27:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:27:11 -0600 From: Alex Reply-To: alex@aspenworks.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free Subject: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings.. I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add vacation agents all through a simple web interface. Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 22:28:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A51E337B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32768 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2000 05:28:44 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 05:28:44 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918012706.0f712f38@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:27:40 -0400 To: "Matthew Horoschun" , From: Mike Subject: Re: pw & passwords In-Reply-To: <001f01c02138$ab377f00$2ac21ecb@actweb.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew, Thanks! Just what I needed. =) Mike At 04:21 PM 9/18/2000 +1000, Matthew Horoschun wrote: > > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The closest > > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull that > > one off.. > >Hi Mike, > >Something like this will do it: > >$execcmd = "echo $password | pw useradd -m -n $user -c \"$fullname\" -g >mygroup -s nologin -h 0"; > >Cheers > >Matthew. > >-- >Matthew Horoschun >Network Administrator >ActWEB.NET Pty. Ltd. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 22:30:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F6FD37B424 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 32954 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2000 05:30:34 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 05:30:34 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918012802.0f6fefb0@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:29:30 -0400 To: alex@aspenworks.com, free From: Mike Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take a look at Qmail @ www.qmail.org There are many user contributed software enhancments that might do what you're looking for. Mike At 11:27 PM 9/17/2000 -0600, Alex wrote: >Greetings.. > > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the >end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add >vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? > > Thanks > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 23: 4:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C62B37B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:04:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BodyDigest: 2734ee4dbb3be0faf64eb61e6ebdc616 Received: from pb.zenon.net (cleopatra.zenon.net [195.2.64.6]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id KAA34742; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:04:38 +0400 (MSD) Received: from aha.ru (mp.hq.zenon.net [192.168.9.150]) by pb.zenon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30242; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:04:34 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from bvt@zenon.net) Received: by aha.ru (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 3.4b1) with PIPE id 3545814; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:04:29 +0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:04:21 +0400 From: Boris Tyshkiewitch To: Alex Cc: free Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20000918100421.B46171@zenon.net> References: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com>; from alex@aspenworks.com on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 11:27:11PM -0600 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 11:27:11PM -0600 Alex wrote: > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the > end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add > vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? CommuniGatePro http://www.stalker.com Boris. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 23:40:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F437B423 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 23FF56A901 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:40:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.04) id A9B34AC70242; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:44:03 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000918081732.04af17a0@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:40:33 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the >end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add >vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? Not for free. I second Boris' rec of Communigate Pro. It seems to be an excellent product, and in spite of its cost, good value for money. (But, after my positive experience with FreeBSD and "appliance" type of machines, I am reticent to ask one machine to do everything.0) To build a Imail/Vircom/Mailsite type of integrated NT mail platform on FreeBSD and have the web interface for user account self-management would be quite difficult. A FreeBSD/postfix/POP3/IMAP4 box is doable, but I don't know of a web interface for user mail/self-admin to match Imail's to go along with it. I run Imail, but have used FreeBSD/postfix to build a IMGate, see my sig, to complement Imail, leaving Imail as a POP3/SMTP AUTH/Web messaging server. I don't even let Imail delivery its own mail to Internet but have it dump its output on an IMGate hub. Imail's web messaging is an expensive task. Single Imail machines can support 100,000+ POP3 mailboxes easily and reliably (one user reports 250K accounts on one quad Xeon with outgoing SMTP through a big Sun, 25 bg mail traffic/day), but when it can be very difficult to get an Imail machine to support just 20K web mesaging clients with a much more powerful box. eg, the guy running 250K accounts is not running web messaging, strictly POP3. Len http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com: ISC BIND 8.2.2 p5 installable binary for NT4 http://IMGate.MEIway.com: Build free, hi-perf, anti-spam mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Sep 17 23:56: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [64.81.36.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E5B37B424 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 91BC05BEB; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:44 -0700 From: dannyman To: David Drum Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail box trimming tool Message-ID: <20000917235444.A30479@dell.dannyland.org> References: <200009151707.NAA32297@eviloverlord.org> <20000917174029.A94914@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000917174029.A94914@elvis.mu.org>; from david@mu.org on Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 05:40:29PM -0500 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 05:40:29PM -0500, David Drum wrote: > Quoth Matt Goward: > > > Does anyone know of a tool that given a username and quota, will trim a > > mail box by deleting the oldest message until it is at the quota? > > Based on some statistics I generated for the 60,000-plus mailboxes I > am responsible for, the median size is usually very small (under 1KB) > but the standard deviation is very large (around 1.5MB). So I don't know > that expiring based on a space quota is appropriate, since mailbox sizes > vary greatly. We expire messages that are over 14 days old (based on > the headers). I've attached the script we use. I have a web site that harvests pictures off of USENET a a constant rate. Since I have finite storagespace, I of course have an expire script. It deletes files that are the oldest, with the catch that I subtract the file size from the seconds since epoch. a 1M file would be deleted about 10 days before a 100k file, for example. (if my math is right.) An algorithm like this is trivial to implement if your mail storage is Maildir, is why I think of it. Even so, if you're going through the pain of parsing mbox, it's a pretty simple sort of calculation to make. Of course, it might be truly clever to replace a large MIME attachment with a note saying it has been triaged out to save your quota, rather than deleting a message, but I digress. :) -d -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 0: 2:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [64.81.36.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF17F37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C6F9C5BEB; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:01:21 -0700 From: dannyman To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pw & passwords Message-ID: <20000918000121.B30479@dell.dannyland.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com>; from mike@mikesweb.com on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 01:17:15AM -0400 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 01:17:15AM -0400, Mike wrote: > I am working on a perl program to automate setting users up on my box, and > I am wanting to user pw in a system call, and am wondering how I can give > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The closest > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull that > one off.. I have a script that does what you're looking to do. You may find it useful to borrow from, possibly even adapt, though I see your pipe to pw question is a'ready answered: (Daemonnews appears to be down so I ref my site. Google! ;) Code: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/stuff/enteruser/enteruser Article: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/stuff/enteruser/ -danny -- dannyman - http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 0:21:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from epsilon.lucida.qc.ca (epsilon.lucida.qc.ca [216.95.146.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A2D337B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 78204 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Sep 2000 07:21:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 07:21:26 -0000 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 03:21:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Heckaman X-Sender: matt@epsilon.lucida.qc.ca To: dannyman Cc: Mike , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pw & passwords In-Reply-To: <20000918000121.B30479@dell.dannyland.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost 1.6.2 0/1000/N Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, dannyman wrote: ... : I have a script that does what you're looking to do. You may find it : useful to borrow from, possibly even adapt, though I see your pipe to : pw question is a'ready answered: I have to say, I love enteruser. I use it over here as a replacement to adduser across the board and have had great expierences with it. My copy is slightly modified to run a shell script that handles updating the qmail users list, but other than that it is the same. I'd definately recommend it to anyone who isn't that fond of the default adduser. :) * Matt Heckaman - mailto:matt@lucida.qc.ca http://www.lucida.qc.ca/ * * GPG fingerprint - A9BC F3A8 278E 22F2 9BDA BFCF 74C3 2D31 C035 5390 * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: http://www.lucida.qc.ca/pgp iD8DBQE5xcJ1dMMtMcA1U5ARAqwKAJ9a3WiSJgLLbwpDo3d68mOmdfPWnQCfdcQt QaIYgeTTgwoY9FOSCfP2k/E= =T9Zc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 0:52:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA7C37B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02581; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:54:03 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Mike Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pw & passwords In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Mike wrote: > I am working on a perl program to automate setting users up on my box, and > I am wanting to user pw in a system call, and am wondering how I can give > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The closest > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull that > one off.. Use the perl password management tools. See setpwent. Or, go after the master password file directly. I personally re-gen the entire /etc/master.passwd file from a SQL database. But again, I have to keep several machines in sync. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 1:59:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BAA37B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 01:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13awle-000IJv-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:59:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:59:14 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Boris Tyshkiewitch Cc: Alex , free Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> <20000918100421.B46171@zenon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000918100421.B46171@zenon.net>; from bvt@zenon.net on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:04:21AM +0400 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-09-18 (10:04), Boris Tyshkiewitch wrote: > > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the > > end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add > > vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? > > CommuniGatePro qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to do with testing and developing it). For the ssl stuff, I put sendmail-tls in front of qmail for tls over smtp, and stunnel for smtps. There's also a tls patch for qmail around somewhere to do it internally, and for sending smtps. Courier-IMAP supports TLS now, and you can put a stunnel in front of qmail-pop3d for pop3s. The stuff isn't perfectly there yet (at least not three or four months ago when I looked at it), but it's definitely something you can hack on for a short time and get it to behave exactly the way you want. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 2: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 110D837B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 56635 invoked by uid 1001); 18 Sep 2000 09:04:33 +0000 (GMT) To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org Cc: bvt@zenon.net, alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:59:14 +0200" References: <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:04:33 +0200 Message-ID: <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little > bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the > ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to > do with testing and developing it). > > For the ssl stuff, I put sendmail-tls in front of qmail for tls over > smtp, and stunnel for smtps. There's also a tls patch for qmail around > somewhere to do it internally, and for sending smtps. Courier-IMAP > supports TLS now, and you can put a stunnel in front of qmail-pop3d for > pop3s. > > The stuff isn't perfectly there yet (at least not three or four months > ago when I looked at it), but it's definitely something you can hack on > for a short time and get it to behave exactly the way you want. The question is, how much time do you need to setup and maintain this? We run both CommuniGatePro and postfix here (for somewhat different purposes), and are happy with both. We concluded that CommuniGatePro was worth it, even if it's definitely not free. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 2:12: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F5237B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13awx8-000ILk-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:11:06 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:11:06 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: sthaug@nethelp.no Cc: bvt@zenon.net, alex@aspenworks.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20000918111106.A70503@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org> <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no>; from sthaug@nethelp.no on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 11:04:33AM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-09-18 (11:04), sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little > > bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the > > ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to > > do with testing and developing it). > > > > For the ssl stuff, I put sendmail-tls in front of qmail for tls over > > smtp, and stunnel for smtps. There's also a tls patch for qmail around > > somewhere to do it internally, and for sending smtps. Courier-IMAP > > supports TLS now, and you can put a stunnel in front of qmail-pop3d for > > pop3s. > > > > The stuff isn't perfectly there yet (at least not three or four months > > ago when I looked at it), but it's definitely something you can hack on > > for a short time and get it to behave exactly the way you want. > > The question is, how much time do you need to setup and maintain this? Now, it's just a matter of installing qmail, courier-imap, ezmlm-idx, and ezmlm-web from ports, and then installing qmailadmin and vchkpw by hand. They're both well documented. Putting the stunnel stuff in front is really easy. If you need TLS smtp (not common), you need to download sendmail-tls, and change two lines (which you can get from me). Then you have working basic web-configurable system. I'm working on ports for qmailadmin and vchkpw, so it may soon be even easier. Oh, and for sendmail-tls, if I ever remember to email the author about something. > We run both CommuniGatePro and postfix here (for somewhat different > purposes), and are happy with both. We concluded that CommuniGatePro was > worth it, even if it's definitely not free. It took me less than two days part-time to whip up the replacement for CommuniGatePro for my (ex-)company, and it was well worth the money saved. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 2:16:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hitline.ch (ccgate.com4u.ch [195.129.74.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBE937B42C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.129.74.2] (HELO [10.10.10.150]) by hitline.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b9) with ESMTP id 2082540 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:16:26 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: micheal%com4u.ch@mail.com4u.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no> References: <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org> <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:11:57 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael O Shea Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little >> bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the >> ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to >> do with testing and developing it). >> >> For the ssl stuff, I put sendmail-tls in front of qmail for tls over >> smtp, and stunnel for smtps. There's also a tls patch for qmail around >> somewhere to do it internally, and for sending smtps. Courier-IMAP >> supports TLS now, and you can put a stunnel in front of qmail-pop3d for >> pop3s. >> >> The stuff isn't perfectly there yet (at least not three or four months >> ago when I looked at it), but it's definitely something you can hack on >> for a short time and get it to behave exactly the way you want. > >The question is, how much time do you need to setup and maintain this? > >We run both CommuniGatePro and postfix here (for somewhat different >purposes), and are happy with both. We concluded that CommuniGatePro was >worth it, even if it's definitely not free. > Ditto here. CommunigatePro costs but you get what we pay for. I can let admin staff here admin accounts,mailing lists and so in In CommuniGate Pro and I do not have to worry about it. It was extensively benchmarked at http://www.networkcomputing.com/1117/1117f1.html and it left the competition dead in the water. -- Micheal O Shea ----------------------------------------------------- com-o-tronic ag Micheal O Shea, Systems Engineer Gewerbepark CH-5506 M=E4genwil E-Mail micheal@com4u.ch Voice: +41 62 887 3734 =46ax: +41 62 896 1133 Internet: http://www.com4u.ch http://www.ehitline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 2:36:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.aha.ru (ns1.aha.ru [195.2.80.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B57A37B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 02:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BodyDigest: 25a60948dcd853cc95671a42a8a0e2ad Received: from pb.zenon.net (cleopatra.zenon.net [195.2.64.6]) by ns1.aha.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3/aha-r/0.04B) with ESMTP id NAA68184; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:36:37 +0400 (MSD) Received: from aha.ru (mp.hq.zenon.net [192.168.9.150]) by pb.zenon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA71849; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:36:35 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from bvt@zenon.net) Received: by aha.ru (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 3.4b1) with PIPE id 3547685; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:36:30 +0400 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:36:23 +0400 From: Boris Tyshkiewitch To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Alex , free Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20000918133623.B62172@zenon.net> References: <39C5A7AF.86F294D@aspenworks.com> <20000918100421.B46171@zenon.net> <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000918105913.A70395@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:59:14AM +0200 X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:59:14AM +0200 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the > > > end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding records, add > > > vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > > > > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? > > > > CommuniGatePro > > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little > bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the > ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to > do with testing and developing it). If you like programming as hobby, or you want get some money as free soft intergator, try all thouse tools, and get fun or money. But if you need stable and functional solution - try CGP. Its cost not a problem at all. You'll spend much more money for admins/helpdesk salary. I'm 6 years on the ISP market. We still using some sendmail-based solutions (worked - don't touch :-). But all new mail services based on CGP. Try it. Demo version free for download and fully functional, except the string "transferred via unlicensed version". Boris. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 6:32:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB4E37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA40564 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:32:30 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:32:28 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: PicoBSD as a router - with extensions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I have a custom setup of FreeBSD 2.2.8-R which boots off a floppy and runs as a border router on a P133 with 32Mb RAM. The floppy contains the kernel which includes an 8Mb MFS partition, and enough basic functionality to be able to fetch a file from a web server, and untar it to fill the file system with the rest of the "useful utilities" - about 5Mb when fully populated. As you can see the philosophy is a little different to PicoBSD, which is designed to cram *everything* onto a single floppy. I got my version working through trial and error, and there is *just* enough space to fit in that basic functionality - no fancy tricks like crunch, just a kzipped kernel which includes a few necessary config files and utilities. I want to do a 3.x or perhaps even 4.x version, but I doubt I'll be able to build it the same way I did with the 2.2.8-R version due to kernel bloat in 3.x and higher. Has anyone ported PicoBSD to the later 3.x releases? The web site at http://www.freebsd.org/~picobsd/ seems fairly dated. Is anyone able to do a version with the following: * 3.x kernel (perhaps 3.4) with relevant drivers and MFS file system * ifconfig(8) - to config the ethernet interface * fetch(1) - to get the tar'd file system via HTTP * tar(1) - to untar the file I think that should be sufficient for a basic boot - if you can do this then please contact me and I'll give you more details. :) I will also have a go at documenting this version, and making it more generic and configurable too, since a few people have expressed interest in my existing setup... Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 6:52:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8588A37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (1Cust10.tnt10.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.22.145.10]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA07391 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:51:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Disable write caching Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a Seagate Barracuda drive that is giving me a fit. There has been some discussion on this list about disabling the write cache on these drives. I remember that someone posted the procedure, but can't find it in the archives. If anyone has that information I would appreciate a response. Thanks, -- Jim Weeks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 8:31:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B766D37B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arcadia (unknown [63.171.251.13]) by cliff.i-plus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 06ABF4174; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Troy Settle" To: , Cc: , , Subject: RE: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:32:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <56633.969267873@verdi.nethelp.no> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of sthaug@nethelp.no > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:05 AM > To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org > Cc: bvt@zenon.net; alex@aspenworks.com; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? > > > > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little > > bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the > > ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to > > do with testing and developing it). > > > > For the ssl stuff, I put sendmail-tls in front of qmail for tls over > > smtp, and stunnel for smtps. There's also a tls patch for qmail around > > somewhere to do it internally, and for sending smtps. Courier-IMAP > > supports TLS now, and you can put a stunnel in front of qmail-pop3d for > > pop3s. > > > > The stuff isn't perfectly there yet (at least not three or four months > > ago when I looked at it), but it's definitely something you can hack on > > for a short time and get it to behave exactly the way you want. > > The question is, how much time do you need to setup and maintain this? > > We run both CommuniGatePro and postfix here (for somewhat different > purposes), and are happy with both. We concluded that CommuniGatePro was > worth it, even if it's definitely not free. > For 4 years, I used the FreeBSD's default sendmail distribution. About 2 years ago, I switched to postfix to handle my virtual domains (using the nifty MySQL hooks). Last year, the company I worked for got bought up by an NT-based ISP. They used Imail. We migrated ~5k user accounts from a FreeBSD 3.2 box (C333, 256mb, sendmail, and UW-IMAP/POP3) to an NT4 box (Dual PIII, 512MB, Imail). Performance went straight to hell, and customers started bitching up a storm. I since quit to form my own company, and have decided to use Qmail/vpopmail/courier-imap/sqwebmail. It took me about 4 hours to dig through all the documentation and get everything up and running. After a few test installs, I've got that down to about 1 hour. I don't expect maintenance to be very timeconsuming at all. I'm using Platypus, which I've got set up to automatically configure new domains and create/delete mailboxes. It works a treat. Anyways, my point is that while I fully expect that any UNIX MTA will kick the shit out of Imail, I'd reccomend the qmail/vpopmail/etc solution any day of the week. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 8:31:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ACB37B42C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arcadia (unknown [63.171.251.13]) by cliff.i-plus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AEF1441A1; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Troy Settle" To: "Boris Tyshkiewitch" , "Neil Blakey-Milner" Cc: "Alex" , "free" Subject: RE: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000918133623.B62172@zenon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't believe that CPG has less maintenance requirements than any other mail system. With sendmail and uw-imap/pop3, I was spending less than 5 hours a week on mail server maintenance. Most of that was cleaning out mailboxes with thousands of messages. I've used a postfix/cyrus combo. It had similar maintenance requirements. Now, I'm using qmail and friends. I'm not in production yet, but from everything I see so far, this is going to be a near-zero maintenance system. I'll be suprised if I spend more time on mail than I do on the OS itself. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Boris Tyshkiewitch > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 5:36 AM > To: Neil Blakey-Milner > Cc: Alex; free > Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? > > > On Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 10:59:14AM +0200 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > > > I've taken another look at I-MAIL for Windows NT. It allows the > > > > end-user to create mailing lists, modify their forwarding > records, add > > > > vacation agents all through a simple web interface. > > > > > > > > Anything equivalent in FreeBSD land? > > > > > > CommuniGatePro > > > > qmail, ezmlm, vchkpw, qmailadmin, courier-imap, and some other little > > bits can build something that rivals CommuniGatePro. I tend to do the > > ezmlm stuff with ezmlm-web though (that may be because I had a little to > > do with testing and developing it). > > If you like programming as hobby, or you want get some money as > free soft intergator, try all thouse tools, and get fun or money. > > But if you need stable and functional solution - try CGP. Its cost > not a problem at all. You'll spend much more money for admins/helpdesk > salary. > > I'm 6 years on the ISP market. We still using some sendmail-based > solutions (worked - don't touch :-). But all new mail services > based on CGP. > > Try it. Demo version free for download and fully functional, except > the string "transferred via unlicensed version". > > Boris. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 8:31:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EF537B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arcadia (unknown [63.171.251.13]) by cliff.i-plus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5594B4160; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Troy Settle" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: RE: pw & passwords Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've recently moved away from keeping any users in the default passwd files. With qmail/vpopmail and ncftpd, I have no need for it. However, I would be interested in seeing your database schema and tools you're using to add/remove users and sync the passwd files. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:54 AM > To: Mike > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: pw & passwords > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Mike wrote: > > > I am working on a perl program to automate setting users up on > my box, and > > I am wanting to user pw in a system call, and am wondering how > I can give > > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. > The closest > > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to > pull that > > one off.. > > Use the perl password management tools. See setpwent. Or, go after the > master password file directly. I personally re-gen the entire > /etc/master.passwd file from a SQL database. But again, I have to keep > several machines in sync. > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com > Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 8:46:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hitline.ch (ccgate.com4u.ch [195.129.74.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CD037B43C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.129.74.2] (HELO [10.10.10.150]) by hitline.ch (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3b9) with ESMTP id 2084935 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:46:44 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: micheal%com4u.ch@mail.com4u.ch Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:46:34 +0200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael O Shea Subject: RE: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I can't believe that CPG has less maintenance requirements than any other >mail system. With sendmail and uw-imap/pop3, I was spending less than 5 >hours a week on mail server maintenance. Most of that was cleaning out >mailboxes with thousands of messages. > >I've used a postfix/cyrus combo. It had similar maintenance requirements. > >Now, I'm using qmail and friends. I'm not in production yet, but from >everything I see so far, this is going to be a near-zero maintenance system= =2E >I'll be suprised if I spend more time on mail than I do on the OS itself. > Well I spend less than 1 hour on my CGP server. and that is just checking it , no actual work. CGP allows you to have Domain Admins and its up to them to add/delete accounts empty mailboxes and so on. Brill for ISP setup. -- Micheal O Shea ----------------------------------------------------- com-o-tronic ag Micheal O Shea, Systems Engineer Gewerbepark CH-5506 M=E4genwil E-Mail micheal@com4u.ch Voice: +41 62 887 3734 =46ax: +41 62 896 1133 Internet: http://www.com4u.ch http://www.ehitline.ch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 10:32:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from superman.imag.net (superman.imag.net [207.200.148.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D2C37B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crap.imag.net (ws52.motionlink.net.44.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA [192.168.44.52] (may be forged)) by superman.imag.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8IHb1w29293 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20000918103620.00aa7110@mail.imag.net> X-Sender: van2537@mail.imag.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:36:32 -0700 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Luke Cowell Subject: Subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Luke Cowell Motionlink Internet Senior Systems Administrator http://www.imag.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 11:44:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bart.acs.nmu.edu (bart.acs.nmu.edu [198.110.193.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC69837B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eward3 (ADMPM329.NMU.EDU [198.110.207.44]) by bart.acs.nmu.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8IIiFT04985 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:44:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Jesseman Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:45:43 GMT Message-ID: <20000918.18454343@mis.configured.host> Subject: Re: pw & passwords To: In-Reply-To: <001f01c02138$ab377f00$2ac21ecb@actweb.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918011343.0f70d1a8@mail.mikesweb.com> <001f01c02138$ab377f00$2ac21ecb@actweb.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Win32) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can something like this be used to change users passwords? Thanks, Chris Jesseman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/18/00, 2:21:23 AM, "Matthew Horoschun" wrote=20= regarding Re: pw & passwords: > > it a password directly without it needing to prompt me for it. The=20= closest > > I can come, is the "-h fd" flag, but I'm not overly sure how to pull= that > > one off.. > Hi Mike, > Something like this will do it: > $execcmd =3D "echo $password | pw useradd -m -n $user -c \"$fullname\"= -g > mygroup -s nologin -h 0"; > Cheers > Matthew. > -- > Matthew Horoschun > Network Administrator > ActWEB.NET Pty. Ltd. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 11:55:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de (shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de [212.15.197.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A52D37B424 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2000 18:55:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guardian.de) (212.15.197.42) by shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 18:55:49 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:54:37 +0200 From: Andreas Lehner Organization: The Chuck Conspiracy To: Luke Cowell Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1993-2000 Andreas Lehner -- All rights reserved. References: <5.0.0.25.2.20000918103620.00aa7110@mail.imag.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 at 10:36:32 PST, Luke Cowell wrote: You might want to try the following: $ echo "subscribe freebsd-isp" | mail majordomo@FreeBSD.org cheers, atoth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 12:14:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF50337B423 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13b6Mj-000KBi-00; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:14:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:14:09 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Michael O Shea Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I-Mail on NT equivalent for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20000918211409.A77583@mithrandr.moria.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from micheal@com4u.ch on Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:46:34PM +0200 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2000-09-18 (17:46), Michael O Shea wrote: > CGP allows you to have Domain Admins and its up to them to add/delete > accounts empty mailboxes and so on. Brill for ISP setup. qmailadmin does this too. (and now to port it *sigh*) Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 12:14:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0468037B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (1Cust10.tnt10.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.22.145.10]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02545; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Chris Jesseman Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pw & passwords In-Reply-To: <20000918.18454343@mis.configured.host> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Chris Jesseman wrote: > Can something like this be used to change users passwords? > If you want a webbased solution to changing passwords you can easily set up WebPass. You will need to install poppassd from the ports. I don't have the URL for WebPass handy, but you should be able to find it with a keyword search. Probably even in the mail archive. -- Jim Weeks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 12:50: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D37237B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arcadia (unknown [63.171.251.13]) by cliff.i-plus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DDDB44150; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Troy Settle" To: "Jim Weeks" , "Chris Jesseman" Cc: Subject: RE: pw & passwords Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:50:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After installing poppassd from the ports, there's 2 scripts I have availiable. http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php.txt http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.pl.txt The PHP version is self-contained. Should work fine, though it uses ASP style tags. The code is not very elegant, but its clean enough :) The perl version works, but you'll need to clean up the text and build a form for it. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jim Weeks > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:14 PM > To: Chris Jesseman > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: pw & passwords > > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Chris Jesseman wrote: > > > Can something like this be used to change users passwords? > > > > If you want a webbased solution to changing passwords you can easily set > up WebPass. You will need to install poppassd from the ports. I don't > have the URL for WebPass handy, but you should be able to find it with a > keyword search. Probably even in the mail archive. > > -- > Jim Weeks > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 17:40:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F7EB37B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 40366 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2000 00:40:23 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 00:40:23 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918203334.0f70e7d0@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:39:19 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Subject: quickie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to generate nightly log files for each user on a box, and place each log in a directory in the users home dir. I am wondering about security with this, as the program needs (?) to be run as root. If a user where to place a symlink in that directory, when root went to write to it, well, you get my point.. Is there a clean way to put these logs in their directories as (suid) owner of the dir.. Thanks Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 18:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cliff.i-plus.net (cliff.i-plus.net [209.100.20.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E5A37B43C for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abyss (abyss.dashit.net [209.100.22.250]) by cliff.i-plus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D05C41AD; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Troy Settle" To: "Mike" , Subject: RE: quickie Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:11:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918203334.0f70e7d0@mail.mikesweb.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not a perl expert, but I believe it's easy enough for perl to assume a new UID to get this done. Or, if the job doesn't need to run as root, you can run it from the users' own crontab entries. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike ** Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 8:39 PM ** To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** Subject: quickie ** ** ** I need to generate nightly log files for each user on a box, ** and place each ** log in a directory in the users home dir. I am wondering ** about security ** with this, as the program needs (?) to be run as root. If a ** user where to ** place a symlink in that directory, when root went to write ** to it, well, you ** get my point.. Is there a clean way to put these logs in ** their directories ** as (suid) owner of the dir.. ** Thanks ** Mike ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 18 18:28:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6297937B422 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (1Cust10.tnt10.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.22.145.10]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22774; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Troy Settle Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: pw & passwords In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Troy, The reason I used WebPass at the time is that everything was there right out of the tarball, and that it issues a waring if you are accessing it outside of SSL. Easy enough to check for port 443 in SERVER_SIGNATURE though. -- Jim Weeks On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Troy Settle wrote: > > After installing poppassd from the ports, there's 2 scripts I have > availiable. > > http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.php.txt > > http://home.i-plus.net/st/passwd.pl.txt > > The PHP version is self-contained. Should work fine, though it uses ASP > style tags. The code is not very elegant, but its clean enough :) > > The perl version works, but you'll need to clean up the text and build a > form for it. > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jim Weeks > > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 3:14 PM > > To: Chris Jesseman > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: pw & passwords > > > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Chris Jesseman wrote: > > > > > Can something like this be used to change users passwords? > > > > > > > If you want a webbased solution to changing passwords you can easily set > > up WebPass. You will need to install poppassd from the ports. I don't > > have the URL for WebPass handy, but you should be able to find it with a > > keyword search. Probably even in the mail archive. > > > > -- > > Jim Weeks > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 19 5:56: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from federation.addy.com (federation.addy.com [208.11.142.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCFF37B422 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jim@localhost) by federation.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08427 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:55:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@federation.addy.com) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:55:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Sander Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: quickie In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918203334.0f70e7d0@mail.mikesweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You can also create the log files in their own directory (in which normal users don't have write permission) and create symlinks in ~user pointing to that log directory. Depending upon the exact needs this method protects the system and is a lot easier than managing a whole system of userids. Again, running non-root is good. You can create a UID for nothing but this task in fact. -=Jim=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Sep 19 7:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.lta.lviv.ua (fire.lta.link.lviv.ua [194.44.202.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 192C137B424 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27867 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2000 14:22:21 -0000 Received: from postoffice.lta.link.lviv.ua (HELO postoffice.lta.lviv.ua) (194.44.202.145) by mail.lta.link.lviv.ua with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 14:22:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 75397 invoked by uid 1345); 19 Sep 2000 14:22:19 -0000 Date: 19 Sep 2000 17:22:19 +0300 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:22:19 +0300 (EEST) From: Wolodymyr Protsaylo X-Sender: pwr@fs.academy.lviv.ua Reply-To: Wolodymyr Protsaylo Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: NetBIOS In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000918203334.0f70e7d0@mail.mikesweb.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an internal network 192.168.0.0/16 which is connected to internet via one extermal IP address x.y.z.f. Something like this: ... --- -..-{InterNet} | | [FileServer] [FireWall] | | Net#1 ...---------------- There are ipfw set up on FileServer and FireWall. In which ways can be implemented the system set-up in order to allow NetBIOS connections outside the local network? Which should be the comfiguration of FileServer and FireWall? Thank You! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 11:25:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gifw.genroco.com (genroco.com [205.254.195.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9D037B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gi2.genroco.com (gi2.genroco.com [192.133.120.3]) by gifw.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13498; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:25:03 -0500 Received: from scot.genroco.com (scot.genroco.com [192.133.120.125]) by gi2.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15531; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:25:00 -0500 Message-ID: <026a01c02330$17d7e0c0$7d7885c0@genroco.com> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "John Angelmo" , "FreeBSD ISP" References: <39B76B44.2478510D@veidit.net> Subject: Re: L2tp Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "John Angelmo" > I'm planning to setup an l2tp connection between my home and my work > > I just don't know where to start.. I have a good l2tp client for my > client but what should I do with my server (Freebsd 4.1-STABLE) > > OK on the client side: ppp to my ISP (AKA WORK) :-) > > and my server is on a leased line and fxp1 is the external interface.. > > Any on got any good ideas? > John, Did you get any response to your question? We are also looking at finding software to support L2TP on a FreeBSd server to support our DSL customers. Ameritech requires the ISP to have equipment that supports L2TP. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 11:35: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nlaredo.globalpc.net (nld2.globalpc.net [207.193.206.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1ED537B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds9 (ds9.globalpc.net [207.193.204.57]) by nlaredo.globalpc.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA62661 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:36:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adrianbsd@globalpc.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000920133704.00a59540@globalpc.net> X-Sender: adrianbsd@globalpc.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:37:04 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Adrian Gonzalez Subject: Using 'private net' IPs for WAN Addresses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello everyone Over the years I've seen several ISPs use 192.168.x.x or other of the IP ranges reserved for private networks as WAN adressess for point-to-point links on the Internet. Personally, I've always felt this to be a bad idea, but I can't come up with a compelling reason to convince people not to do it. Is there a reason not to? or is it just a matter of keeping apples and oranges in their respective baskets? The only thing I can come up with is that you can ping the routers in question from outside your own net if you use 'real' IPs. -Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 11:36:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA237B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13boiQ-0001sx-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:35:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:35:30 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Steve Price Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named virtual hosts Message-ID: <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000912184042.D55208@bsd.planetwe.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Price wrote: > >NameVirtualHost 192.168.21.21 > > > > > > You can't do SSL with name-based virtual hosts. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 11:49:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from verdi.nethelp.no (verdi.nethelp.no [158.36.41.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37F2737B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6840 invoked by uid 1001); 20 Sep 2000 18:49:23 +0000 (GMT) To: adrianbsd@globalpc.net Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using 'private net' IPs for WAN Addresses From: sthaug@nethelp.no In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:37:04 -0500" References: <3.0.6.32.20000920133704.00a59540@globalpc.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.05+ on Emacs 19.34.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <6838.969475763@verdi.nethelp.no> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Over the years I've seen several ISPs use 192.168.x.x or other of the IP > ranges reserved for private networks as WAN adressess for point-to-point > links on the Internet. > > Personally, I've always felt this to be a bad idea, but I can't come up > with a compelling reason to convince people not to do it. Is there a > reason not to? or is it just a matter of keeping apples and oranges in > their respective baskets? A lot of ISPs today drop packets with RFC 1918 source addresses at the boundary routers. This means that using 192.168.x.x (or other RFC 1918 addresses) can break PMTU discovery, traceroute etc. that depend on ICMPs being returned. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 12:31:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.nils.lib.il.us (mailsrv.nils.lib.il.us [206.190.22.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F158137B443 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3073B3378589D411B21600508BAF32AA01233F@EXCHANGE> From: Nathan Williams To: Adrian Gonzalez , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Using 'private net' IPs for WAN Addresses Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Considering the shortage of IP addresses under IPv4, I can only think of good reasons for ISPs using private network addresses. Also, not being accessible from the Internet can actually be a very good thing for ISPs, as many of these addresses are routers which need to be secure and have a minimal level of outside traffic. Nathan Williams nathanw@nils.lib.il.us > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Gonzalez [SMTP:adrianbsd@globalpc.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:37 PM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Using 'private net' IPs for WAN Addresses > > > Hello everyone > > Over the years I've seen several ISPs use 192.168.x.x or other of the IP > ranges reserved for private networks as WAN adressess for point-to-point > links on the Internet. > > Personally, I've always felt this to be a bad idea, but I can't come up > with a compelling reason to convince people not to do it. Is there a > reason not to? or is it just a matter of keeping apples and oranges in > their respective baskets? > > The only thing I can come up with is that you can ping the routers in > question from outside your own net if you use 'real' IPs. > > -Adrian > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 12:47: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.uncanny.net (ns2.uncanny.net [140.174.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE4E37B43C; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandbox.uncanny.net (sandbox.uncanny.net [140.174.20.254]) by ns2.uncanny.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA45703; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ee@uncanny.net) Message-Id: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Frustration with SCSI system Reply-To: Edward Elhauge Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:27 -0700 From: Edward Elhauge Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Freebsders, I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how to work reliably with them. I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had another. OK, so you have to expect these things; but I never seem to find an easy way to recover these systems. The only thing that I've seen work has been to mount the disk on another system, back it up, reformat the drive, copy things back over and find out what was trashed. THERE MUST BE A BETTER WAY. It seems like SCSI systems can't use the bad144 program. They are supposed to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried buying top of the line hardware, and it does work faster, but no more reliably than the cheap stuff. Once you get in this state it is difficult to mount the partitions so as to recover what is there. I really need some good advice here. Do I need to buy RAID hardware for each and every server in my network? Is there some way to force the SCSI system to remap bad drives? The error I'm getting is: MEDIUM ERROR info:1010f asc:14,1 My configuration is: 1) Pentium-S 100 Mz 2) 128M 3) Adaptec 2940 Ultra/Ultra SCSI with Bios 1.25 4) Seagate ST3437 4GB 5) FreeBSD 3.4 Any advice on how to efficiently bring my server back up or how I can reengineer my system to avoid this in the future, will be greatly appreciated. -- Edward Elhauge -- Uncanny Inc., San Francisco "War is like love; it always finds a way." -- Bertold Brecht To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 12:51:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875C737B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8KJpTM12733; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:51:29 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Edward Elhauge Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net>; from ee@uncanny.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:58:27PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > Hello Freebsders, > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > to work reliably with them. "man vinum" software mirroring == good. :) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 12:58:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C726A37B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13bq0U-0004nb-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:58:14 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8KJxZY02880; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:59:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:59:35 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Edward Elhauge Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920215935.G2695@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net>; from ee@uncanny.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:58:27PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:58:27PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote: > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > to work reliably with them. > > I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered > the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our > heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had > another. How hot gets your machine room/basement? > OK, so you have to expect these things; but I never seem to find an easy > way to recover these systems. The only thing that I've seen work has been > to mount the disk on another system, back it up, reformat the drive, copy > things back over and find out what was trashed. THERE MUST BE A BETTER > WAY. Yes. It is called RAID. Either in hardware or in software, using vinum. > It seems like SCSI systems can't use the bad144 program. They are supposed > to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover > seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried > buying top of the line hardware, and it does work faster, but no more > reliably than the cheap stuff. Once you get in this state it is difficult > to mount the partitions so as to recover what is there. There are a finite amount of replacement blocks on each SCSI disk. Once they are given out you are toast. > I really need some good advice here. Do I need to buy RAID hardware for > each and every server in my network? Is there some way to force the SCSI > system to remap bad drives? > > The error I'm getting is: > MEDIUM ERROR info:1010f asc:14,1 Is automatic READ/WRITE remapping enabled on those drives? The real disk gurus (Ken, Justin) will want to know which disk types you have. camcontrol devlist or the dmesg.boot will tell them -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13: 6:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Gloria.CAM.ORG (Gloria.CAM.ORG [205.151.116.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F0937B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (intmktg@localhost) by Gloria.CAM.ORG (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16638; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:09:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Tardif To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > > to work reliably with them. > > "man vinum" > > software mirroring == good. > What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A207D37B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B2A313288; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4583287; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:35:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Edward Elhauge Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered > the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our > heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had > another. Lots of fans in the cases... I had a fan go out in one of mine just a couple of days ago. It was about 75 or so, pulled the computer apart and almost burned myself on the drive! It was too hot to touch. Luckily it only ran that way for a day or two... but I'd still suspect it from no on and will be moving it down to a less critical system ASAP. I suspect you're seeing similar problems. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:12:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.uncanny.net (ns2.uncanny.net [140.174.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F40437B43E; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandbox.uncanny.net (sandbox.uncanny.net [140.174.20.254]) by ns2.uncanny.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA45822; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ee@uncanny.net) Message-Id: <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:51:29 PDT." <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:34 -0700 From: Edward Elhauge Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting. Well spoken Alfred Perlstein wrote: >* Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: >> Hello Freebsders, >> >> I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from >> NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. >> >> I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how >> to work reliably with them. > >"man vinum" > >software mirroring == good. > >:) > >-Alfred -- Edward Elhauge -- Uncanny Inc., San Francisco "War is like love; it always finds a way." -- Bertold Brecht To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:17:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A797C37B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13bqIj-00058M-00; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:17:05 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8KKIQH03106; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:18:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:18:26 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Marc Tardif Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920221826.A2971@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from intmktg@CAM.ORG on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:09:13PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:09:13PM -0400, Marc Tardif wrote: > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > "man vinum" > > > > software mirroring == good. > > > What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply > concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)? ?? Concatenating != mirroring aka RAID-1 -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:21:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F5537B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA84315; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:02 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Marc Tardif Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Marc Tardif wrote: :> > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from :> > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. :> > :> > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how :> > to work reliably with them. :> :> "man vinum" :> :> software mirroring == good. :> :What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply :concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)? Concatenating drives is a decidedly different thing than mirroring them is. Mirroring allows you to recover from failed disks without having to restore from tape. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:22: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gatekeeper.veriohosting.com (gatekeeper.veriohosting.com [192.41.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4ABD37B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:21:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from unknown(192.168.1.7) by gatekeeper.veriohosting.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma028786; Wed, 20 Sep 00 14:21:34 -0600 Received: from vespa.orem.iserver.com (vespa.orem.iserver.com [192.168.1.144]) by orca.orem.veriohosting.com [Verio Web Hosting, Inc. 801.437.0200] (8.8.8) id OAA78324; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:21:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:35:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Fred Clift X-Sender: fred@vespa.orem.iserver.com To: Edward Elhauge Cc: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you're willing to go through strange install contortions, you can boot off of an MFS (Or MD, depending on what version you use ) root filesystem (copies stored in separate partition, on both disks you are mirroring) and then have everything else mirrored. Then at least your running system doesn't rely on any unmirrored disks. You can put a minimal root filesystem in memory and then have the rest of the stuff moved out via either symlinks or via just moving things around. Ie if you want to set up a bunch of boxes, it's nice to have most of the rc bootup stuff really reside on the vinum'd user... At any rate, from what I understand, it's the boot loader that doesn't understand vinum disks. put a kernel and minimum stuff somewhere the bootloader can find it and then mirror the rest. If one of the disks goes out, things keep working (root in memory, usr mirrored) and if you have to reboot, just make sure the good disk is the preferred boot device in your scsi bios. On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Edward Elhauge wrote: > OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on > your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets > screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you > have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting. > > Well spoken Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >* Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > >> Hello Freebsders, > >> > >> I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > >> NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > >> > >> I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > >> to work reliably with them. > > > >"man vinum" > > > >software mirroring == good. > > > >:) > > > >-Alfred > -- > Edward Elhauge -- Uncanny Inc., San Francisco > "War is like love; it always finds a way." -- Bertold Brecht > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:22:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bart.acs.nmu.edu (bart.acs.nmu.edu [198.110.193.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285FC37B42C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wag2.resnet.nmu.edu (wag2.resnet.nmu.edu [204.38.56.104]) by bart.acs.nmu.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8KKM4T26503 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:22:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Jesseman Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:23:26 GMT Message-ID: <20000920.20232651@wag2.resnet.nmu.edu> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Win32) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm using lmmon to monitor my fan RPM. Is that not effective enough for = heat protection?? Chris Jesseman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/19/00, 8:35:50 AM, Rick Hamell wrote=20= regarding Re: Frustration with SCSI system: > > I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lo= wered > > the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday durin= g our > > heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had= > > another. > Lots of fans in the cases... I had a fan go out in one of mine > just a couple of days ago. It was about 75 or so, pulled the computer= > apart and almost burned myself on the drive! It was too hot to > touch. Luckily it only ran that way for a day or two... but I'd still= > suspect it from no on and will be moving it down to a less critical=20= system > ASAP. I suspect you're seeing similar problems. > Rick > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:23:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7867E37B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8KKNmh13827; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:23:48 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Marc Tardif Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920132348.H9141@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from intmktg@CAM.ORG on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:09:13PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Marc Tardif [000920 13:06] wrote: > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > "man vinum" > > > > software mirroring == good. > > > What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply > concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)? vinum can rebuild mirrored disks on the fly if you go with hotswap. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:32:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E72537B42C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ED3B13288; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D227C3287; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:55:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Chris Jesseman Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <20000920.20232651@wag2.resnet.nmu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm using lmmon to monitor my fan RPM. Is that not effective enough for > heat protection?? Does it give you the temperature inside the case too? Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:33:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923FE37B424; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8KKX3X14167; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:33:03 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Fred Clift Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, grog@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920133303.I9141@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from fclift@verio.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:35:11PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Fred Clift [000920 13:22] wrote: > If you're willing to go through strange install contortions, you can boot > off of an MFS (Or MD, depending on what version you use ) root filesystem > (copies stored in separate partition, on both disks you are mirroring) and > then have everything else mirrored. Then at least your running system > doesn't rely on any unmirrored disks. You can put a minimal root > filesystem in memory and then have the rest of the stuff moved out via > either symlinks or via just moving things around. Ie if you want to set > up a bunch of boxes, it's nice to have most of the rc bootup stuff really > reside on the vinum'd user... > > At any rate, from what I understand, it's the boot loader that doesn't > understand vinum disks. put a kernel and minimum stuff somewhere the > bootloader can find it and then mirror the rest. If one of the disks goes > out, things keep working (root in memory, usr mirrored) and if you have to > reboot, just make sure the good disk is the preferred boot device in your > scsi bios. [cc'd to Greg Lehey who wrote vinum] Greg, I seem to remeber you being able to boot a vinum root mirror, is there docco anywhere on this? A cursory glance over http://www.vinumvm.org/ doesn't reveal how you were able to pull this off. Another alternative is that for the most part / doesn't need to be writeable with a few small exceptions that can be worked around, even though it requires manual gyrations, one could mount / read-only and make sure to have a spare disk that one syncs with whenever / needs to be changed, the point being if you have hotswap you can simply swap the disks and not loose any changes if you are diligent about syncronising the disks. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:44: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A83837B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e8KKhah15539 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:43:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e8KKhlI04687; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:43:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e8KKhhQ74579; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:43:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:43:42 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Edward Elhauge Cc: Alfred Perlstein , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920224341.A74548@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net>; from ee@uncanny.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote: > OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on > your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets > screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you > have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting. The root Filesytems doesn't really change. In general if you don't edit something in /etc or add accounts you can even be happy with a readonly /. I can't see any needs for mirrors beside that the host should keep running in case of a disk failure. A simple backup of the small /etc is sufficient. You don't have to find a new / disk if you already created one. A mirror would allocate it anyway. Nevertheless Greg showed me an df output with a mirrored / filesystem but as I usually have stone old drives (90M drives are more than enough ;) for / I never tried it myself because I don't own 2 identic of them. I don't know if it was plain vinum or some magic. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:48:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDE837B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8KKm6j15245; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:48:06 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Bernd Walter Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920134806.L9141@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> <20000920224341.A74548@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000920224341.A74548@cicely5.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:43:42PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Bernd Walter [000920 13:43] wrote: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote: > > OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on > > your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets > > screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you > > have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting. > > The root Filesytems doesn't really change. > In general if you don't edit something in /etc or add accounts you can > even be happy with a readonly /. > I can't see any needs for mirrors beside that the host should keep running > in case of a disk failure. A simple backup of the small /etc is sufficient. There's a "Zen of backup" somewhere that explains why you want to backup system files. Basically: hotswap spare read-only / and /usr == near 0 downtime, reinstall the OS == 20-120 minutes of downtime. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:49:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rapidnet.com (rapidnet.com [205.164.216.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E82937B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by rapidnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA37865; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:49:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:49:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Nick Rogness To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > > to work reliably with them. > > "man vinum" > > software mirroring == good. The question should be, "How much you want to spend?" Depending on how you answer that question, you could choose either software or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck with hardware RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough vinum sounds like a great package, I have little experience with it...only ccd, which is why I went with a hardware solution. If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that comes with vinum. If you don't have money, use vinum. Either way, use RAID. Best of luck. Nick Rogness - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 13:59: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A509237B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06278; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:58:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Edward Elhauge Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keep your disk cool. If you're getting MEDIUM errors, you're disks are getting toasted. I'm also in SF, and I plain mostly have been shut down the last two days. > Hello Freebsders, > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > to work reliably with them. > > I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered > the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our > heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had > another. > > OK, so you have to expect these things; but I never seem to find an easy > way to recover these systems. The only thing that I've seen work has been > to mount the disk on another system, back it up, reformat the drive, copy > things back over and find out what was trashed. THERE MUST BE A BETTER > WAY. > > It seems like SCSI systems can't use the bad144 program. They are supposed > to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover > seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried > buying top of the line hardware, and it does work faster, but no more > reliably than the cheap stuff. Once you get in this state it is difficult > to mount the partitions so as to recover what is there. > > I really need some good advice here. Do I need to buy RAID hardware for > each and every server in my network? Is there some way to force the SCSI > system to remap bad drives? > > The error I'm getting is: > MEDIUM ERROR info:1010f asc:14,1 > > My configuration is: > 1) Pentium-S 100 Mz > 2) 128M > 3) Adaptec 2940 Ultra/Ultra SCSI with Bios 1.25 > 4) Seagate ST3437 4GB > 5) FreeBSD 3.4 > > Any advice on how to efficiently bring my server back up or how I can > reengineer my system to avoid this in the future, will be greatly > appreciated. > -- > Edward Elhauge -- Uncanny Inc., San Francisco > "War is like love; it always finds a way." -- Bertold Brecht > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:21: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (207-167-15-66.dsl.worldgate.ca [207.167.15.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E76437B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e8KLKe109103; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:20:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009202120.e8KLKe109103@orthanc.ab.ca> To: Edward Elhauge Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mirroring / (was Re: Frustration with SCSI system) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:34 PDT." <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:20:40 -0600 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>>>> "Edward" == Edward Elhauge writes: Edward> OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't Edward> use vinum on your root partition. By Murphy's Law it Edward> always seems to be root that gets screwed up. And that Edward> also causes the biggest problems because then you have to Edward> yank the system apart and find another host disk for Edward> booting. Keep a spare root partition on another disk. If both disks (real root and spare root) have the same geometry, and you allocated identically sized root filesystems, you can dd the live root partition to the spare from cron. If they aren't the same size you would need to keep the spare mounted and do a 'dump ... | restore ...' instead. Alternatively, forgo all the cron-based sync magic (which *is* a bit dodgy when you're copying a live filesystem) and just manually sync the spare root to the real root whenever you make significant changes (new kernel, password file updates, etc). --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:27:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7495C37B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely.de [194.231.9.142]) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e8KLQrf17936 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:26:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [fec0::104:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with ESMTP id e8KLR5I04857; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.9.2) id e8KLR0310239; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:27:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:26:59 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Edward Elhauge , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Message-ID: <20000920232659.A2086@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> <200009202024.NAA45822@ns2.uncanny.net> <20000920224341.A74548@cicely5.cicely.de> <20000920134806.L9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000920134806.L9141@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:48:06PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:48:06PM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Bernd Walter [000920 13:43] wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:24:34PM -0700, Edward Elhauge wrote: > > > OK, vinum is good. But my understanding is that you can't use vinum on > > > your root partition. By Murphy's Law it always seems to be root that gets > > > screwed up. And that also causes the biggest problems because then you > > > have to yank the system apart and find another host disk for booting. > > > > The root Filesytems doesn't really change. > > In general if you don't edit something in /etc or add accounts you can > > even be happy with a readonly /. > > I can't see any needs for mirrors beside that the host should keep running > > in case of a disk failure. A simple backup of the small /etc is sufficient. > > There's a "Zen of backup" somewhere that explains why you want to > backup system files. > > Basically: > hotswap spare read-only / and /usr == near 0 downtime, > reinstall the OS == 20-120 minutes of downtime. There is basicly no big difference in extracting the bin tgzs from the distribution compared to restoring it from a backup but the extra space won't hurt. Of course you need to have the binaries somewhere. Your numbers seem to be realistic to me but the restore case is missing here. Comparing a reinstall with a hotspare solution doesn't show a difference on wether to backup system files or not. And I was talking about / - That means for me no /var or /usr which can be mirrored (What doesn't mean that backups are not sensefull). -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:33:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cobra.ordata.com (cobra.ordata.com [207.189.128.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B6237B42C for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (pete@localhost) by cobra.ordata.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA85849 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@cobra.ordata.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Pete Wolfe To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Iso's Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are the ISO's for FreeBSD 4.1 Availible? If so, can anyone point me in the right direction to obtain them? TIA +---------------------------+------------------------+ | Pete Wolfe | mailto:pete@ordata.com | | Network Administrator | phone:541-465-3282 | | Willamette.Net LLC | www.willamette.net | +---------------------------+------------------------+ "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:52:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F49B37B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3055 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 21:52:21 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 21:52:21 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000920175108.0f6cca18@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:51:17 -0400 To: Pete Wolfe , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Subject: Re: FreeBSD Iso's In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ At 02:34 PM 9/20/2000 -0700, Pete Wolfe wrote: >Are the ISO's for FreeBSD 4.1 Availible? If so, can anyone point me in the >right direction to obtain them? > >TIA > >+---------------------------+------------------------+ >| Pete Wolfe | mailto:pete@ordata.com | >| Network Administrator | phone:541-465-3282 | >| Willamette.Net LLC | www.willamette.net | >+---------------------------+------------------------+ > >"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his > hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." > - Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956) > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:55:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74A6037B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28162; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:55:28 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <200009202155.BAA28162@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> from "Edward Elhauge" at "Sep 20, 0 12:58:27 pm" To: ee@uncanny.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:55:28 +0400 (MSD) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Edward Elhauge writes: > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > to work reliably with them. > > I have installed UPS boxes on each machine and that seems to have lowered > the incidence of failure, but failures still happen; yesterday during our > heat wave in the San Francisco area (possible brownouts also) I had > another. > > OK, so you have to expect these things; but I never seem to find an easy > way to recover these systems. The only thing that I've seen work has been > to mount the disk on another system, back it up, reformat the drive, copy > things back over and find out what was trashed. THERE MUST BE A BETTER > WAY. > > It seems like SCSI systems can't use the bad144 program. They are supposed > to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover > seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried > buying top of the line hardware, and it does work faster, but no more > reliably than the cheap stuff. Once you get in this state it is difficult > to mount the partitions so as to recover what is there. > > I really need some good advice here. Do I need to buy RAID hardware for > each and every server in my network? Is there some way to force the SCSI > system to remap bad drives? > > The error I'm getting is: > MEDIUM ERROR info:1010f asc:14,1 > > My configuration is: > 1) Pentium-S 100 Mz > 2) 128M > 3) Adaptec 2940 Ultra/Ultra SCSI with Bios 1.25 > 4) Seagate ST3437 4GB > 5) FreeBSD 3.4 > > Any advice on how to efficiently bring my server back up or how I can > reengineer my system to avoid this in the future, will be greatly > appreciated. I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. If time to repare is critical, use spare IDE disk and special working place with direct crossover ethernet to dump server in addition to common ethernet. This helps you to paralelise repare work and do fast restore for low additional cost. Do not forget reblock dumps when write to tape. If your system is old enough - use Promise UDMA/66 controller. About temperature you already read. Some modern IDE drives has low power consumption and fast enough. If you need in big space - use RAID with IDE disks and SCSI external interface. Remember that most PCI are only 130 MB/sec wide. AND REMOVE FreeBSD 3.X AT ALL!!! 4.X is far more stable. It is easy, not expansive and works good. Sorry my English is not so good as I want. -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 14:59:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de (shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de [212.15.197.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA25937B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 25006 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 22:00:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO guardian.de) (212.15.197.42) by shizophreniac.datenfreihafen.de with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 22:00:09 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:58:53 +0200 From: Andreas Lehner Organization: The Chuck Conspiracy To: Pete Wolfe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Iso's Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 1993-2000 Andreas Lehner -- All rights reserved. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 at 14:34:46 PDT, Pete Wolfe wrote: % Are the ISO's for FreeBSD 4.1 Availible? If so, can anyone % point me in the right direction to obtain them? The first cd is, as usual. Available as /pub/FreeBSD/releases/{alpha|i386}/ISO-IMAGES/4.1-install.iso on your favourite mirror site. ftp.FreeBSD.org always carries these, whereas mirrors often refuse to, due to the high traffic imposed by offering the files. The ports collection is available via ftp on your default mirror. Sincerely, atoth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 15: 2:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4466337B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02271; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:02:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA50356; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:02:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009202202.QAA50356@harmony.village.org> To: Edward Elhauge Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:58:27 PDT." <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> References: <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:02:10 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Edward Elhauge writes: : to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover : seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried I've often wanted to write a bad block remapper. While SCSI is supposed to do this automatically, I've found that a scan on any adaptec controller will remap these blocks (forces the remapping). About 10% of the time that's all a drive with this problem needs to survive indefinitely. The other 90% of the time the disk is about to go tits up in a heap big time way and warrantee replacement is recommended. About 75% of the time a rescan + immmediate dump will save me. I've had 2 disks that seem to have lost their bad block mappings that the adaptec verify function has saved me from sending them back (they were out of warantee anyway). However, on the other 20ish disks I've tried this on have died within days of doing this. Even if we had bad144 support, the drive will need so many bad blocks remapped in a short period of time that it isn't worth while. Finally, I've found that climate controlled and dust free environments help a lot. RAID hardware/software is definitely the right way to deal when you go to the next level. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 15: 3:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988AD37B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02285; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:03:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id QAA50383; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:03:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009202203.QAA50383@harmony.village.org> To: Marc Tardif Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:09:13 EDT." References: Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:03:13 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message Marc Tardif writes: : What would be the incentives to using vinum instead of simply : concatenating drives in a RAID-1 array (or whatever) using ccd(4)? RAID-5 now seems to be supported, which lets you take the loss of a single disk more easily. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 15:13: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from server.comnix.com (ns1.comnix.com [195.196.30.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5ADF37B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3345 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 22:12:54 -0000 Received: from t7o41p46.telia.com (HELO veidit.net) (195.67.253.166) by ns1.comnix.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 22:12:54 -0000 Message-ID: <39C93635.B7A60A3A@veidit.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:12:05 +0200 From: John Angelmo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: sv, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Scot W. Hetzel" Cc: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: L2tp References: <39B76B44.2478510D@veidit.net> <026a01c02330$17d7e0c0$7d7885c0@genroco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I have tried the Enternet client for pppoe and it also supports l2tp try it :-) but I don't know howto configure my freebsd server for l2tp.. John Angelmo "Scot W. Hetzel" wrote: > > From: "John Angelmo" > > I'm planning to setup an l2tp connection between my home and my work > > > > I just don't know where to start.. I have a good l2tp client for my > > client but what should I do with my server (Freebsd 4.1-STABLE) > > > > OK on the client side: ppp to my ISP (AKA WORK) :-) > > > > and my server is on a leased line and fxp1 is the external interface.. > > > > Any on got any good ideas? > > > John, > > Did you get any response to your question? > > We are also looking at finding software to support L2TP on a FreeBSd server > to support our DSL customers. > > Ameritech requires the ISP to have equipment that supports L2TP. > > Scot > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 15:28:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7595037B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-2.enteract.com [207.229.143.41]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA40782; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:28:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:28:40 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" Cc: ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009202155.BAA28162@aaz.links.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: :I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact :that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than :IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. :I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. :Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular :dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. This is totatlly contrary to my experience. Heck, I've got a fair number of SCSI disks that predate 1991, happily spinning away. SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared about. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 15:50:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5601637B423; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01922; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:50:45 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <200009202250.CAA01922@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: from "David Scheidt" at "Sep 20, 0 05:28:40 pm" To: dscheidt@enteract.com (David Scheidt) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:50:45 +0400 (MSD) Cc: babolo@links.ru, ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Scheidt writes: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: > :I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact > :that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than > :IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. > :I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. > :Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular > :dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. > This is totatlly contrary to my experience. Heck, I've got a fair > number of SCSI disks that predate 1991, happily spinning away. > SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a > occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality > cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within > thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared about. Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is reason I do not believe external devices. Most of IDE breaks was long ago - last about 3 or 4 years ago. SCSI drives breaks are quite regular - 1 or 2 in at least 5 last years. this is for about 50 SCSI drives near me and about 3 times more IDE drives. This is my expierency - you have another. -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 16:19:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2D737B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B2D93288; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:43:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43C93287; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:43:13 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:43:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009202250.CAA01922@aaz.links.ru> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is > reason I do not believe external devices. > Most of IDE breaks was long ago - last about 3 or 4 years ago. > SCSI drives breaks are quite regular - 1 or 2 in at least 5 > last years. > this is for about 50 SCSI drives near me and about 3 times more > IDE drives. > This is my expierency - you have another. Which is most likely heat related... that's been my experience anyways... :) In a well cooled system, that needs reliability... SCSI all the way... Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 17:46: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DD337B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-117-20.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.20]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA18805; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C95AB7.D9DD318C@bellatlantic.net> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:47:51 -0400 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" Cc: David Scheidt , ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system References: <200009202250.CAA01922@aaz.links.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: > > :I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact > > :that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than > > :IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. > > :I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. > > :Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular > > :dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. > > This is totatlly contrary to my experience. Heck, I've got a fair > > number of SCSI disks that predate 1991, happily spinning away. > > SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a > > occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality > > cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within > > thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared about. > Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is > reason I do not believe external devices. Eh, that's something unusual. Unless you buy cheap bad cables or try to solder them by yourself. > Most of IDE breaks was long ago - last about 3 or 4 years ago. > SCSI drives breaks are quite regular - 1 or 2 in at least 5 > last years. > this is for about 50 SCSI drives near me and about 3 times more > IDE drives. > This is my expierency - you have another. Overheating. Newer SCSI disks can be found only in high-performance versions, so they tend to generate more heat and be more sensitive to cooling. Plus if your SCSI disks are used more intensely (and they probably are) this would affect their longevity. Plus different manufacturers have different reliability - if you use Seagate SCSI disks and someone else's IDE then you most certainly will see a lot more SCSI disk failures. -SB, Seagate Hater To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 18:11: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from saturn.mikesweb.com (saturn.mikesweb.com [216.91.66.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F16637B424 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20757 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 01:10:53 -0000 Received: from delta.futuredesigns.net (HELO SUN.mikesweb.com) (@216.91.66.252) by saturn.mikesweb.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 01:10:53 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000920210124.0f722908@mail.mikesweb.com> X-Sender: sturdee@mail.mikesweb.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:09:49 -0400 To: Sergey Babkin , "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" From: Mike Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system Cc: David Scheidt , ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <39C95AB7.D9DD318C@bellatlantic.net> References: <200009202250.CAA01922@aaz.links.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've used various Seagate SCSI drives exclusively in all of my boxes and only had one failure, which I was still able to recover all the data from before replacing it. The first box I built back in '97 had an UW Seagate in it that I bought used, and it was very heavily used for 2 years, and I still have that original configuration for various small projects. Right now I have 4 boxes with Barracuda drives (7200RPM) almost to the ceiling in a closet at one site that temps can get up to 80 degrees F, with a constant fan on them, all doing fine.. I build a couple boxes with Seagate Cheetah's in them, for a guy who has an ISP out of his house. He also has (literally) 12 cats and dogs whose hair ends up in the filters of his servers. They too are heavily used, and have had no problems. It's almost like it goes on luck. ;-) At 08:47 PM 9/20/2000 -0400, Sergey Babkin wrote: >"Aleksandr A.Babaylov" wrote: > > > > David Scheidt writes: > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: > > > :I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact > > > :that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than > > > :IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. > > > :I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. > > > :Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular > > > :dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. > > > This is totatlly contrary to my experience. Heck, I've got a fair > > > number of SCSI disks that predate 1991, happily spinning away. > > > SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a > > > occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality > > > cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within > > > thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared about. > > Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is > > reason I do not believe external devices. > >Eh, that's something unusual. Unless you buy cheap bad cables or >try to solder them by yourself. > > > Most of IDE breaks was long ago - last about 3 or 4 years ago. > > SCSI drives breaks are quite regular - 1 or 2 in at least 5 > > last years. > > this is for about 50 SCSI drives near me and about 3 times more > > IDE drives. > > This is my expierency - you have another. > >Overheating. Newer SCSI disks can be found only in high-performance >versions, so they tend to generate more heat and be more sensitive to >cooling. Plus if your SCSI disks are used more intensely (and they >probably are) this would affect their longevity. > >Plus different manufacturers have different reliability - >if you use Seagate SCSI disks and someone else's IDE then you most >certainly will see a lot more SCSI disk failures. > >-SB, Seagate Hater > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 18:50:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D9737B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA84682; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:50:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:50:24 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: Sergey Babkin Cc: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" , ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <39C95AB7.D9DD318C@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Sergey Babkin wrote: :Plus different manufacturers have different reliability - :if you use Seagate SCSI disks and someone else's IDE then you most :certainly will see a lot more SCSI disk failures. : :-SB, Seagate Hater : I've had almost a thousand Seagates in service for about a year without a single failure. We've replaced 5 or 6 controllers, and a bunch of cables (when the machines first went into service. The techs are murder at bending pins.). I'm quite impressed. : David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 19:30:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wanlogistics.net (mail.wanlogistics.net [63.209.114.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2A337B423 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by mail.wanlogistics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA92904 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:30:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chuck) Message-Id: <200009210230.WAA92904@mail.wanlogistics.net> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: bv@wjv.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Reply to: bv@wjv.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, Aleksandr A.Babaylov wrote: > :I work since 1991 with computer hardware and know exact > :that SCSI drives is about ten times less reliability than > :IDE. Yes, I understand that SCSI was more ... extremal may be. > :I am wery glad that now mostly no need in SCSI drives at all. > :Just use good IDE drives, may be second root and regular > :dumps to, for example DDS-4 strimer. It is cost effective. > This is totatlly contrary to my experience. Heck, I've got a fair > number of SCSI disks that predate 1991, happily spinning away. > SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a > occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality > cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get > within thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared > about. My experience agrees with yours but there are some serious SCSI exceptions. Quantum's high end drives - based on the DEC HD drives - are quite reliable - however their low end drives really were pretty bad. The Fireball series was pretty bad. Those were typically logic board failures and a tech and I pulled one client out of the fire [they had no recent backups] buy buying a brand new drive and taking the circuit from it and putting it on the bad drive. Typical was that motor would not spin up. Quantum dropped those. Seagate line is spotty. THe old Hawk drive when they first took over the CDC line/design wer good - big old 5.25" beasties. The 3.5" Hawks were less than stellar. SGI shipped them in the Indy's and we have those fail - within a year after 1 year warranty expired. The early 'cuddas had problems if you didn't keep them cool. Micropolis was so bad that's one reason they aren't around today. Stay far away from the cheap/low-end SCSI drives. One clue in that area is that I've found that the SCSI drives with the 5 years warranties really are pretty relialbe - and if they do have a problem you can get them replaced. The 1 and 3 year warranted drives barely make throught the warranty period on the ones I've seen. The only Unix systems on which I've had IDE drives are those in my test-bed machine with swappable IDEs and that machine is designed to test things, and single drive IDE isn't that bad of a perfomrmer when I'm the only one using it. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv@wjv.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 20:59:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aaz.links.ru (aaz.links.ru [193.125.152.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7DB37B422; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from babolo@localhost) by aaz.links.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11262; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:59:15 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <200009210359.HAA11262@aaz.links.ru> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <39C95AB7.D9DD318C@bellatlantic.net> from "Sergey Babkin" at "Sep 20, 0 08:47:51 pm" To: babkin@bellatlantic.net (Sergey Babkin) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:59:15 +0400 (MSD) Cc: babolo@links.ru, dscheidt@enteract.com, ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sergey Babkin writes: > "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: ......... > > > SCSI just works, on everything I've ever used it. I've had a > > > occaisonal problems with things like termination. High quality > > > cables and enclosures solve this. I wouldn't let an IDE disk get within > > > thinking distance of machine whose reliability I cared about. > > Cabling... most of troubles caused by cables for me - it is > > reason I do not believe external devices. > Eh, that's something unusual. Unless you buy cheap bad cables or > try to solder them by yourself. No, good cable in bad place - after touch time to time some external cables change its state. -- @BABOLO http://links.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Sep 20 23:16:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bluerose.windmoon.nu (c255152-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.176.132.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B8137B422 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (fengyue@localhost) by bluerose.windmoon.nu (8.10.2/Windmoon/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8L6GVq34721 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:16:22 -0700 (PDT) From: FengYue To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <200009210230.WAA92904@mail.wanlogistics.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 bv@wjv.com wrote: > Micropolis was so bad that's one reason they aren't around today. Interesting, coz I've got this 2GB Micropolis SCSI disk that has been in service for more than 3 years(bad temperature + reasonable heavy use). no problem so far, and yeah, it came with a 1 year warranty only. Maybe I'm just being really lucky here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 5:47:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EC537B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:47:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13399 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cbemh.cb.lucent.com (h135-7-35-160.lucent.com [135.7.35.160]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13388 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cbemh.cb.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id IAA00207; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from lucent.com by cbemh.cb.lucent.com (8.8.8+Sun/EMS-1.5 sol2) id IAA00196; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39C9FB24.734E7BC8@lucent.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:12:20 -0400 From: "J.D McSwain" Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.4 (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Rogness Original-CC: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So which RAID card is available that can be used to mirror the root disk, is supported by FREEBSD and has a decent price? Dale McSwain Nick Rogness wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still don't know how > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > "man vinum" > > > > software mirroring == good. > > The question should be, "How much you want to spend?" Depending > on how you answer that question, you could choose either software > or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck with hardware > RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough vinum sounds > like a great package, I have little experience with it...only ccd, > which is why I went with a hardware solution. > > If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by > FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that comes with > vinum. > > If you don't have money, use vinum. Either way, use RAID. > > Best of luck. > > Nick Rogness > - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 7:22:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (NS1.PSKNET.COM [63.171.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F3A037B424 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24485 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 14:23:37 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.13) by mail.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 14:23:37 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "J.D McSwain" Cc: Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39C9FB24.734E7BC8@lucent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Being brand new to the world of hardware RAID, I grabbed an AMI Megaraid Express 200. It takes anywhere from 4MB up to 128MB SIMM for cache, and seems to perform very well. It also supports a number of non-disk devices, so you don't need an extra controller for a tape drive or CDROM (I've not tested that myself, my tape is in another machine, and I used an IDE CDROM). At any rate, the BIOS utility to create the volumes was very easy to use, and once done, FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE booted right up without issue. I'm pleased with this card. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of J.D McSwain > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:12 AM > To: Nick Rogness > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > > > So which RAID card is available that can > be used to mirror the root disk, is supported > by FREEBSD and has a decent price? > > Dale McSwain > Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still > don't know how > > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > > > "man vinum" > > > > > > software mirroring == good. > > > > The question should be, "How much you want to spend?" Depending > > on how you answer that question, you could choose > either software > > or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck with hardware > > RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough vinum sounds > > like a great package, I have little experience with > it...only ccd, > > which is why I went with a hardware solution. > > > > If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by > > FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that > comes with > > vinum. > > > > If you don't have money, use vinum. Either way, use RAID. > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Nick Rogness > > - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 9:10: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E1D37B42C for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13c2Qg-0002y0-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:14:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:14:06 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Tony Finch Cc: Steve Price , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named virtual hosts Message-ID: <20000921111406.A11386@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000912184042.D55208@bsd.planetwe.com> <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at>; from dot@dotat.at on Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 06:35:30PM +0000 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 2000-09-20 (18:35), Tony Finch wrote: > Steve Price wrote: > > > >NameVirtualHost 192.168.21.21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't do SSL with name-based virtual hosts. Why not? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 9:15:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC8337B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fury.csh.rit.edu (fury.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.5]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96E362BF for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jon@localhost) by fury.csh.rit.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA20634 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:21 -0400 From: Jon Parise To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: named virtual hosts Message-ID: <20000921121520.B20273@csh.rit.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20000912184042.D55208@bsd.planetwe.com> <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at> <20000921111406.A11386@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000921111406.A11386@mithrandr.moria.org>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 11:14:06AM +0200 X-Operating-System: SunOS 5.7 (sun4u) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 11:14:06AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > >NameVirtualHost 192.168.21.21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't do SSL with name-based virtual hosts. > > Why not? The SSL layer wraps around the HTTP protocol. The Host: header that makes NameVirtualHost work is part of the HTTP protocol (HTTP 1.1?), so the SSL code never gets to the NameVirtualHost stuff in time. In a nutshell, in order to use SSL-enabled virtual hosts, you'll have to assign each virtual host its own IP address and use Apache's IP-based virtual hosting system. -- Jon Parise (jon@csh.rit.edu) . Rochester Inst. of Technology http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jon/ : Computer Science House Member To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 9:15:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C18BA37B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) by thehousleys.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e8LGFYQ31367; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <39CA3425.BA0E4B4@thehousleys.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:33 -0400 From: James Housley Organization: The Housleys dot Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named virtual hosts References: <20000912184042.D55208@bsd.planetwe.com> <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at> <20000921111406.A11386@mithrandr.moria.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms7AC95B4B85495CD970FEE1A8" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms7AC95B4B85495CD970FEE1A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > On Wed 2000-09-20 (18:35), Tony Finch wrote: > > Steve Price wrote: > > > > > >NameVirtualHost 192.168.21.21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't do SSL with name-based virtual hosts. > > Why not? > The SSL specification does not allow it. https://www.thawte.com/support/server/apachessl.html and look at #8 Jim -- Hi! 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You need a certificate to make a connection, you need a connection to determine which name based vhost you want, you need the name of the vhost to pick which certificate to use. -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect, BOFH / Chimes, Inc. billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 9:44: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peony.ezo.net (peony.ezo.net [206.102.130.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC8237B424 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jflowers@localhost) by peony.ezo.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id e8LH0OY56367; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Flowers To: James Housley Cc: Neil Blakey-Milner , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named virtual hosts In-Reply-To: <39CA3425.BA0E4B4@thehousleys.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OTOH, you can use the same IP# and unique ports (443. 444, 445 etc). Just assign an alias IP# to your interface and direct unsecure access to one IP# with named hosts and secure access to the alias. For example: www.wondershop.com A xxx.xxx.xxx.19 my.secure.server.com A xxx.xxx.xxx.20 secure.wondershop.com CNAME my.secure.server.com. then DocumentRoot "/home/vhosts/wondershop.com/secure" ServerName "secure.wondershop.com" etc. The named hosts require: NameVirtualHost xxx.xxx.xxx.19 But otherwise work as documented. All your really have to do is configure dns to get the packets there, do named virtual hosts on one IP# (even mass virtual hosts) and separate the SSL on the other IP# with unique ports. Jim Flowers #4 ranked ISP on C|NET #1 in Ohio On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, James Housley wrote: > Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > > > On Wed 2000-09-20 (18:35), Tony Finch wrote: > > > Steve Price wrote: > > > > > > > >NameVirtualHost 192.168.21.21 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can't do SSL with name-based virtual hosts. > > > > Why not? > > > The SSL specification does not allow it. > https://www.thawte.com/support/server/apachessl.html and look at #8 > > Jim > -- > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me in your ~/.signature > to help me spread! <- Save this lifeform ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 9:59:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bart.acs.nmu.edu (bart.acs.nmu.edu [198.110.193.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4634C37B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wag2.resnet.nmu.edu (wag2.resnet.nmu.edu [204.38.56.104]) by bart.acs.nmu.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8LGxXT08012; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Jesseman Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:00:58 GMT Message-ID: <20000921.17005831@wag2.resnet.nmu.edu> Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system To: Troy Settle Cc: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.2;Win32) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Troy,=20 Does this raid card replace your SCSI adapter? Thanks, Chris Jesseman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/21/00, 10:22:43 AM, "Troy Settle" wrote regarding= =20 RE: Frustration with SCSI system: > Being brand new to the world of hardware RAID, I grabbed an AMI Megara= id > Express 200. It takes anywhere from 4MB up to 128MB SIMM for cache, a= nd > seems to perform very well. It also supports a number of non-disk=20= devices, > so you don't need an extra controller for a tape drive or CDROM (I've = not > tested that myself, my tape is in another machine, and I used an IDE=20= CDROM). > At any rate, the BIOS utility to create the volumes was very easy to u= se, > and once done, FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE booted right up without issue. I'm= > pleased with this card. > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of J.D McSwain > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:12 AM > > To: Nick Rogness > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > > > > > > So which RAID card is available that can > > be used to mirror the root disk, is supported > > by FREEBSD and has a decent price? > > > > Dale McSwain > > Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > > > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > > > > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switche= d from > > > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still > > don't know how > > > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > > > > > "man vinum" > > > > > > > > software mirroring =3D=3D good. > > > > > > The question should be, "How much you want to spend?" Dep= ending > > > on how you answer that question, you could choose > > either software > > > or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck with hardwa= re > > > RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough vinum so= unds > > > like a great package, I have little experience with > > it...only ccd, > > > which is why I went with a hardware solution. > > > > > > If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by > > > FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that > > comes with > > > vinum. > > > > > > If you don't have money, use vinum. Either way, use RAID.= > > > > > > Best of luck. > > > > > > Nick Rogness > > > - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 10:40:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (NS1.PSKNET.COM [63.171.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A348637B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26379 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 17:41:41 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.13) by mail.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 17:41:41 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Chris Jesseman" Cc: Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:40:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000921.17005831@wag2.resnet.nmu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep, it sure does. Has 1 internal and 1 external 68 pin connectors. I have 4 removable drives on it now. When I need more space, I'll probably slap an 8 disk external chassis in the rack and go from there. Though by the time I outgrow a 54GB mail server, I'll have enough money to build a whole new box from scratch :) -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Jesseman [mailto:chris@sitemajic.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:01 PM > To: Troy Settle > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system > > > Troy, > > Does this raid card replace your SCSI adapter? > > Thanks, > Chris Jesseman > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 9/21/00, 10:22:43 AM, "Troy Settle" wrote regarding > RE: Frustration with SCSI system: > > > > Being brand new to the world of hardware RAID, I grabbed an AMI Megaraid > > Express 200. It takes anywhere from 4MB up to 128MB SIMM for cache, and > > seems to perform very well. It also supports a number of non-disk > devices, > > so you don't need an extra controller for a tape drive or CDROM > (I've not > > tested that myself, my tape is in another machine, and I used an IDE > CDROM). > > > At any rate, the BIOS utility to create the volumes was very > easy to use, > > and once done, FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE booted right up without issue. I'm > > pleased with this card. > > > > -- > > Troy Settle > > Pulaski Networks > > 540.994.4254 > > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of J.D McSwain > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:12 AM > > > To: Nick Rogness > > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > > > > > > > > > So which RAID card is available that can > > > be used to mirror the root disk, is supported > > > by FREEBSD and has a decent price? > > > > > > Dale McSwain > > > Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > > > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > > > > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I > switched from > > > > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still > > > don't know how > > > > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > > > > > > > "man vinum" > > > > > > > > > > software mirroring == good. > > > > > > > > The question should be, "How much you want to > spend?" Depending > > > > on how you answer that question, you could choose > > > either software > > > > or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck with hardware > > > > RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough > vinum sounds > > > > like a great package, I have little experience with > > > it...only ccd, > > > > which is why I went with a hardware solution. > > > > > > > > If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by > > > > FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that > > > comes with > > > > vinum. > > > > > > > > If you don't have money, use vinum. Either way, use RAID. > > > > > > > > Best of luck. > > > > > > > > Nick Rogness > > > > - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 11:17:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from rapidnet.com (rapidnet.com [205.164.216.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5495C37B42C for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by rapidnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13886; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:17:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:17:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Nick Rogness To: "J.D McSwain" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system In-Reply-To: <39C9FB24.734E7BC8@lucent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, J.D McSwain wrote: > So which RAID card is available that can > be used to mirror the root disk, is supported > by FREEBSD and has a decent price? RAID controllers made by DPT. Nick Rogness - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 11:35:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5191C37B43E for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13cBBV-0004fr-00; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:35:01 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:35:01 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Bill Fumerola Cc: James Housley , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: named virtual hosts Message-ID: <20000921203501.A17858@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000912184042.D55208@bsd.planetwe.com> <20000916041934.B769@hand.dotat.at> <20000921111406.A11386@mithrandr.moria.org> <39CA3425.BA0E4B4@thehousleys.net> <20000921124013.K66839@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000921124013.K66839@jade.chc-chimes.com>; from billf@chimesnet.com on Thu, Sep 21, 2000 at 12:40:13PM -0400 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-09-21 (12:40), Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > Why not? > > > > > The SSL specification does not allow it. > > https://www.thawte.com/support/server/apachessl.html and look at #8 > > Summary: > Chicken/egg. You need a certificate to make a connection, you need a > connection to determine which name based vhost you want, you need the > name of the vhost to pick which certificate to use. So the secret way to get IPs for virtual hosting is revealed. Thanks for the cluebat, James and Bill, Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 12:29:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.psknet.com (NS1.PSKNET.COM [63.171.251.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7626037B43E for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26957 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2000 19:31:19 -0000 Received: from arcadia.psknet.com (HELO arcadia) (63.171.251.13) by mail.psknet.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 2000 19:31:19 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Chris Jesseman" Cc: Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:30:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000921.18582536@wag2.resnet.nmu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I got mine from www.teamexcess.com for $150 without memory. Search on pricewatch for "megaraid" comes up with 1 store that has them for $428 w/16mb. Check out www.ami.com, I think they have a reseller list laying around somewhere. G'luck, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Jesseman [mailto:chris@sitemajic.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 2:58 PM > To: Troy Settle > Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system > > > Troy, > One last question(s): how much does it cost and where can I get it? > > Thanks much, > > Chris Jesseman > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 9/21/00, 1:40:46 PM, "Troy Settle" wrote > regarding RE: > Frustration with SCSI system: > > > > Yep, it sure does. Has 1 internal and 1 external 68 pin connectors. I > have > > 4 removable drives on it now. When I need more space, I'll > probably slap > an > > 8 disk external chassis in the rack and go from there. Though by the > time I > > outgrow a 54GB mail server, I'll have enough money to build a whole new > box > > from scratch :) > > > -- > > Troy Settle > > Pulaski Networks > > 540.994.4254 > > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Chris Jesseman [mailto:chris@sitemajic.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:01 PM > > > To: Troy Settle > > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system > > > > > > > > > Troy, > > > > > > Does this raid card replace your SCSI adapter? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Chris Jesseman > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > > > On 9/21/00, 10:22:43 AM, "Troy Settle" > wrote regarding > > > RE: Frustration with SCSI system: > > > > > > > > > > Being brand new to the world of hardware RAID, I grabbed an > AMI Megaraid > > > > Express 200. It takes anywhere from 4MB up to 128MB SIMM > for cache, and > > > > seems to perform very well. It also supports a number of non-disk > > > devices, > > > > so you don't need an extra controller for a tape drive or CDROM > > > (I've not > > > > tested that myself, my tape is in another machine, and I used an IDE > > > CDROM). > > > > > > > At any rate, the BIOS utility to create the volumes was very > > > easy to use, > > > > and once done, FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE booted right up without > issue. I'm > > > > pleased with this card. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Troy Settle > > > > Pulaski Networks > > > > 540.994.4254 > > > > > > > It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of J.D McSwain > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 8:12 AM > > > > > To: Nick Rogness > > > > > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > > > > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So which RAID card is available that can > > > > > be used to mirror the root disk, is supported > > > > > by FREEBSD and has a decent price? > > > > > > > > > > Dale McSwain > > > > > Nick Rogness wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I > > > switched from > > > > > > > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still > > > > > don't know how > > > > > > > > to work reliably with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "man vinum" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > software mirroring == good. > > > > > > > > > > > > The question should be, "How much you want to > > > spend?" Depending > > > > > > on how you answer that question, you could choose > > > > > either software > > > > > > or hardware RAID. I've always had better luck > with hardware > > > > > > RAID cards compared to software RAID's. ALthough > > > vinum sounds > > > > > > like a great package, I have little experience with > > > > > it...only ccd, > > > > > > which is why I went with a hardware solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you got money, get a RAID controller (supported by > > > > > > FreeBSD). Then you don't have the root limitation that > > > > > comes with > > > > > > vinum. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't have money, use vinum. Either > way, use RAID. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best of luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nick Rogness > > > > > > - Drive defensively. Buy a tank. > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 15: 6:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from metva.com.au (metva.com.au [202.0.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDFD37B446 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from enno@localhost) by metva.com.au id JAA25083 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:06:02 +1100 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <200009212206.JAA25083@metva.com.au> Subject: Re: named virtual hosts In-Reply-To: from Jim Flowers at "Sep 21, 0 01:00:24 pm" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 09:06:01 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | OTOH, you can use the same IP# and unique ports (443. 444, 445 etc). Just | assign an alias IP# to your interface and direct unsecure access to one | IP# with named hosts and secure access to the alias. For example: The problem with this is that those people who are stuck behind firewalls and proxies may not be able to get to your site. This is mostly a problem for people using the 'free' ISPs where fairly agressive firewalling is used to ensure that proxies are always used and that traffic can be controlled. We ran afoul of this last year when we tried running two instances of virtual hosts on the same IP (managing some resources for customers). The complaints from people who could get to the content started essentially immediately. In our case one of the free ISPs in question punched extra firewall holes to let our traffic through, but that's not something you can rely on. (And it helped that another business unit owned part of them or some such!) Bottom line, yes it _can_ be done, but the standard ports are all that are really supported by other admins around the place. Certainly they are the only ones that figure large in people's assumptions. If you have to use a second port try 563 BTW. Its officially for SSL transported netnews, but as has been noted you can't see inside an SSL connection anyway and it can't be cached so its a better choice for second SSL service on a webserver. Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 15:30: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from spok.premier1.net (spok.premier1.net [64.38.159.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C6337B42C; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:29:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kemp (ip-64-38-158-182.dialup.seanet.com [64.38.158.182]) by spok.premier1.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06398; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Keith Kemp" To: "Alfred Perlstein" , "Edward Elhauge" Cc: , Subject: RE: Frustration with SCSI system Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:29:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000920125128.F9141@fw.wintelcom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On the topic of Vinum, what do you guys do about the / partion since it appears that a vinum partion can not be the boot partion. I would hate to have the drive with my boot partion fail and be left with a non working server. Keith Kemp > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Alfred Perlstein > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 12:51 PM > To: Edward Elhauge > Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > > > * Edward Elhauge [000920 12:48] wrote: > > Hello Freebsders, > > > > I've been using FreeBSD over the last 6 years (since I switched from > > NetBSD) to run a small ISP out of my basement. > > > > I've had about six disk crashes in as many years and still > don't know how > > to work reliably with them. > > "man vinum" > > software mirroring == good. > > :) > > -Alfred > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 17: 6:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net [209.3.218.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDE337B43F; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-151-198-117-236.nnj.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.198.117.236]) by smtp02.teb1.iconnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23170; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39CAA323.20C6A0E5@bellatlantic.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:09:07 -0400 From: Sergey Babkin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-19990626-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: "Aleksandr A.Babaylov" , David Scheidt , ee@uncanny.net, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system References: <200009202250.CAA01922@aaz.links.ru> <4.3.2.7.2.20000920210124.0f722908@mail.mikesweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > > I've used various Seagate SCSI drives exclusively in all of my boxes and > only had one failure, which I was still able to recover all the data from > before replacing it. The first box I built back in '97 had an UW Seagate in > it that I bought used, and it was very heavily used for 2 years, and I > still have that original configuration for various small projects. Right > now I have 4 boxes with Barracuda drives (7200RPM) almost to the ceiling in > a closet at one site that temps can get up to 80 degrees F, with a constant > fan on them, all doing fine.. I build a couple boxes with Seagate Cheetah's I had quite bad experience with Seagate disks of series Medalist (IDE), Hawk and Barracuda. Any failures for any taste: bed blocks developed over time, disks just dying, disks occasionally self-erasing the boot sector, disks agreeing to start only after 15 minutes in front of air conditioning cold air duct. The worst case was when both disks in a mirror developed bad blocks with half an hour interval. Luckily the bad block on the second disk happened within the Oracle's TEMP tablespace, so the actual data were not lost. Of 40 IDE medalist disks 1/3 developed various kinds of problems within a year. -SB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 19:37:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DBF37B423; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.3/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id VAA16401; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200009220237.VAA16401@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system To: imp@village.org Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops, sorry about the previous misfire... > In message <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Edward Elhauge writes: > : to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover > : seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried > > I've often wanted to write a bad block remapper. While SCSI is > supposed to do this automatically, I've found that a scan on any > adaptec controller will remap these blocks (forces the remapping). I've got a program which attempts to read all blocks and may be able to rewrite bad blocks. It's nothing fancy. Only works if you've got auto-reallocate turned on in the drive. % cat diskscan.c #include #include #include #include int fixup(off, fd) off_t off; int fd; { char buffer[512]; int i, rval; for (i = 0; i < 65536; i += 512) { if (lseek(fd, off + i, SEEK_SET) < 0) { doerror("lseek", off + i, 0); } if ((rval = read(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer))) != sizeof(buffer)) { if (errno) { if (lseek(fd, off + i, SEEK_SET) < 0) { doerror("lseek", off + i, 0); } write(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer)); } } } } int doerror(str, off, type) char *str; off_t off; int type; { static int ign = 0; char buffer[80]; fprintf(stderr, "\nError at %qx, ", (quad_t) off); perror(str); if (! ign) { if (type) { fprintf(stderr, "Attempt to correct? (y/n/a) "); } else { fprintf(stderr, "Press 'y' to continue: "); } while (! ign) { fgets(buffer, sizeof(buffer), stdin); if (*buffer == 'y') { return(0); } if (*buffer == 'n') { return(1); } if (*buffer == 'a') { ign++; return(0); } } } return(0); } int main(argc, argv) int argc; char *argv[]; { int fd, rval; char buffer[65536]; off_t off = 0; int eof = 0; int count = 0; if (argc != 2) { fprintf(stderr, "usage: diskscan \n"); exit(1); } if ((fd = open(argv[1], O_RDWR, 0644)) < 0) { perror(argv[1]); } while (! eof) { if (! count) { fprintf(stderr, "%qx, ", (quad_t) off); } count++; count %= 8; if (lseek(fd, off, SEEK_SET) < 0) { doerror("lseek", off, 0); } if ((rval = read(fd, buffer, sizeof(buffer))) != sizeof(buffer)) { if (errno) { if (! doerror("read", off, 1)) { fixup(off, fd); } } } off += sizeof(buffer); } } I don't even guarantee that it's correct, but I do use it with some success... vinum takes an entire drive offline when it sees an error, and I use this to scan for and fix errors before turning the drive back on. -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 20:29:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1056337B424; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.3/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id VAA16041; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:33:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200009220233.VAA16041@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system To: imp@village.org, hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:33:03 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <200009220229.VAA06232@earth.execpc.com> from "jgreco@execpc.com" at Sep 21, 2000 09:29:39 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Path: news.sol.net!newsops.execpc.com!169.207.30.19.MISMATCH!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newshub.sol.net!sol.net!newspeer.sol.net!ns.sol.net!lists.sol.net!not-for-mail > Newsgroups: sol.lists.freebsd.hackers,sol.lists.freebsd.isp > Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:02:50 +0000 > Sender: news@ns.sol.net > Approved: news@ns.sol.net > Organization: sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI > References: <200009201958.MAA45703_ns2.uncanny.net@ns.sol.net> > X-To: ee@uncanny.net > X-Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > From: imp@village.org > Subject: Re: Frustration with SCSI system > Message-ID: <200009202202.QAA50356_harmony.village.org@ns.sol.net> > Xref: news.sol.net sol.lists.freebsd.hackers:21298 sol.lists.freebsd.isp:6352 > > In message <200009201958.MAA45703@ns2.uncanny.net> Edward Elhauge writes: > : to autorecover on bad sectors, but every system that I've had to recover > : seems to be in a state where the bad sectors aren't remapping. I've tried > > I've often wanted to write a bad block remapper. While SCSI is > supposed to do this automatically, I've found that a scan on any > adaptec controller will remap these blocks (forces the remapping). > About 10% of the time that's all a drive with this problem needs to > survive indefinitely. The other 90% of the time the disk is about to > go tits up in a heap big time way and warrantee replacement is > recommended. About 75% of the time a rescan + immmediate dump will > save me. > > I've had 2 disks that seem to have lost their bad block mappings that > the adaptec verify function has saved me from sending them back (they > were out of warantee anyway). However, on the other 20ish disks I've > tried this on have died within days of doing this. > > Even if we had bad144 support, the drive will need so many bad blocks > remapped in a short period of time that it isn't worth while. > > Finally, I've found that climate controlled and dust free environments > help a lot. RAID hardware/software is definitely the right way to > deal when you go to the next level. > > Warner > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 21:22:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836BF37B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA97284 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:22:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) Received: from wf-134.aipo.gov.au(192.168.1.134) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma097276; Fri, 22 Sep 00 15:22:25 +1100 Received: from localhost (anwsmh@localhost) by stan (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01088 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:22:24 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from anwsmh@IPAustralia.Gov.AU) X-Authentication-Warning: stan: anwsmh owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:22:24 +1100 (EST) From: Stanley Hopcroft X-Sender: anwsmh@stan To: ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Remote upgrades (2.2.8-STABLE -> 4.1-STABLE). Any suggestions ? In-Reply-To: <200009210230.WAA92904@mail.wanlogistics.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, I am writing to ask for any recommendations for upgrading a small number of remote 2.2.x terminal servers to 4.x-STABLE ? The options seem to be A preserving the hardware 1 ask a local clerk to drive sysinstall 2 run sysinstall remotely 3 local clerk reboots a custom boot floppy (that does everything) 4 pay them a visit. 5 upgrade from source (they have 500 MB IDEs. WAN links are 64kbps) or make installworld from NFS Or Replacing the hardware send replacments and pay someone to hook up the cables (awfully tempting to ascend to the awesome power of 133/166 MHz) Thank you, Yours sincerely. S Hopcroft Network Specialist IP Australia +61 2 6283 3189 +61 2 6281 1353 FAX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Sep 21 23: 6:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D607937B423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24953; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:07:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:07:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Stanley Hopcroft Cc: ISP@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Remote upgrades (2.2.8-STABLE -> 4.1-STABLE). Any suggestions ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Burn a CD with a ghosted image of a 4.1 hard drive and ship it out to the local cite and have them reboot with it and a floppy. How bad is a failed install? If it is majorly grief-causing then the hardware option is the only way to go except maybe the option above and a visit. On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Stanley Hopcroft wrote: > Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:22:24 +1100 (EST) > From: Stanley Hopcroft > To: ISP@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Remote upgrades (2.2.8-STABLE -> 4.1-STABLE). Any suggestions ? > > Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, > > I am writing to ask for any recommendations for upgrading a small > number of remote 2.2.x terminal servers to 4.x-STABLE ? > > The options seem to be > > A preserving the hardware > > 1 ask a local clerk to drive sysinstall > 2 run sysinstall remotely > 3 local clerk reboots a custom boot floppy (that does everything) > 4 pay them a visit. > 5 upgrade from source (they have 500 MB IDEs. WAN links are 64kbps) or > make installworld from NFS > > Or Replacing the hardware > > send replacments and pay someone to hook up the cables (awfully > tempting to ascend to the awesome power of 133/166 MHz) > > Thank you, > > Yours sincerely. > > S Hopcroft > Network Specialist > IP Australia > > +61 2 6283 3189 > +61 2 6281 1353 FAX > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 22 22: 9:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39B037B424 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grok.example.net (cr479972-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.168]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17996 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by grok.example.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DBB872130ED; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:09:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:09:12 -0700 From: Steve Reid To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Various BIND versions Message-ID: <20000922220912.B3393@grok> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What version of BIND is recommended? I see 4.1-RELEASE comes with 8.2.3-T5B. -T6B is listed as available at http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/, but that page shows a warning "This is prerelease code and is not intended for production use." Ports has 8.2.2-P5, but that dates back to November 99. And then there is 9.0.0, which is a .0.0 with a bunch of new features I probably don't need anyway. Are there any known problems with the stock named in 4.1-R and/or 8.2.2-P5? Is there some special reason that FreeBSD shipping with a "not intended for production use" beta version instead of 8.2.2-P5? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Sep 22 23: 8:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8976637B424 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from veager.siteplus.net (1Cust174.tnt9.chattanooga.tn.da.uu.net [63.39.120.174]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23132 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: File pruning from archive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hate to reply to my own post but, I just wanted to say thanks to those of you that bothered to respond. I did not realize that rsync could be used to sync files localy. I am just not used to things being so easy. Very usefull tool indeed ;-) -- Jim Weeks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 12:37: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB51737B422 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zebidee.f9.co.uk ([213.48.36.76]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:38:01 +0100 Message-ID: <39CD0726.D0BBBC4E@zebidee.f9.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:40:22 +0100 From: Steve Mackin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-20000920-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Sendmail 8.11.0 (mindmeld!!!) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D99AAACDC486E648BDF61710" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D99AAACDC486E648BDF61710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hope one of you guys can help me with this little problem First a litle back ground: After reading sendmail by O'Reilly I have successfully configured sendmail using my own customized sendmail.cf file All works well until I upgraded my FreeBSD release from 4.1-20000820-STABLE to 4.1-20000921-STABLE. Now I have a problem with inbound mail. Any mail sent to my domain is rejected sending this NDR back to the originator: grenson.demon.co.uk [158.152.30.90]: MAIL FROM: 554 5.3.0 rewrite: map resolve not found ----- Original Message Follows ------ Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for root@grenson.demon.co.uk id 969731957:10:12386:0; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:59:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012333; 23 Sep 2000 17:59 GMT Received: from grenson.demon.co.uk ([158.152.30.90] helo=blueyonder.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13ctZx-0008Bk-0A for root@grenson.demon.co.uk; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:59:14 +0000 Sender: root Message-ID: <39CCF03F.FDEE3073@blueyonder.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:02:39 +0100 From: BlueYonder X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1-20000920-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: root@grenson.demon.co.uk Subject: TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also, I have noticed errors logged to /var/log/maillog. I have grep'ed out the relavent data and attached it to this email. Hope you guys can help as this problem is driving me a little crazy... I know that the times of the NDR and log information dont match but the problem is still the same. Thanks in advance Steve Mackin --------------D99AAACDC486E648BDF61710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="logfile" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="logfile" Sep 23 20:05:04 server sendmail[466]: e8NJ53Q00466: SYSERR(root): rewrite: map resolve not found Sep 23 20:05:04 server sendmail[466]: e8NJ53Q00466: ruleset=check_mail, arg1=, relay=punt-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.34], reject=501 5.1.8 ... Domain of sender address root@grenson.demon.co.uk does not exist Sep 23 20:05:04 server sendmail[466]: e8NJ53Q00466: from=, size=0, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=SMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=punt-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.34] --------------D99AAACDC486E648BDF61710-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 15:40:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (tisch.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310937B422 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4f0i0 (user-2inigvl.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.67.245]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA30722 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001201c025af$633b2960$f54379a5@p4f0i0> From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Subject: Backround Proccess Limiter Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:41:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0258D.DB2DC440" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0258D.DB2DC440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is for all you shell server admins out there: ;) I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to load, = but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of proccess = limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone know if = FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it?=20 -- Jonathan M. Slivko Owner & CEO, Linux Mafia Internet Services ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0258D.DB2DC440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is for all you shell server admins = out there:=20 ;)
 
I'm trying to set up a machine so no = eggdrop bots=20 will be able to load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some = kind of=20 proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone = know if=20 FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it?
 
-- Jonathan M. Slivko
Owner & CEO, Linux Mafia Internet=20 Services
------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0258D.DB2DC440-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 18:49:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12337B424 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04893; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter In-Reply-To: <001201c025af$633b2960$f54379a5@p4f0i0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to > load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of > proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone > know if FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it? Although it doesn't prevent the load, there is the option of killing all of the user's processes when they logout... (Gotta be careful not to do this for the wrong user (i.e. root)) - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- iMach, Ltd., P.O. Box 5749, Helena, MT 59604 http://www.imach.com Solutions for your high-tech problems. (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 19: 4:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from toetag.com (toetag.com [63.192.202.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DDE37B424 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toetag.com (tom@unhooked.net [63.192.202.44]) by toetag.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA00599 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009240159.SAA00599@toetag.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 08/09/2000 with version: MH 6.8.3 #1[UCI] To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:59:33 -0700 From: "Tom" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 MDT, "Forrest W. Christian" writes: >On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > >> I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to >> load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of >> proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone >> know if FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it? > >Although it doesn't prevent the load, there is the option of killing all >of the user's processes when they logout... > >(Gotta be careful not to do this for the wrong user (i.e. root)) > You could also install the software you want them to run and then mount all user writable filesystems noexec, including homedirs. Harsh but it works. -- tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 Spam: the other white meat. AIM - twjansen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 19:29:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEC937B43E for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p4f0i0 (user-2inigvl.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.67.245]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21394; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c025cf$66e4c2e0$f54379a5@p4f0i0> From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: , "Tom" References: <200009240159.SAA00599@toetag.com> Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:30:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree. That is harsh. I was thinking of maybe a piece of homegrown code that could do the job. Any ideas as to if someone has already done it in FreeBSD? -- Jonathan M. Slivko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 MDT, "Forrest W. Christian" writes: > >On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > >> I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to > >> load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of > >> proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone > >> know if FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it? > > > >Although it doesn't prevent the load, there is the option of killing all > >of the user's processes when they logout... > > > >(Gotta be careful not to do this for the wrong user (i.e. root)) > > > > You could also install the software you want them to run and then > mount all user writable filesystems noexec, including homedirs. > Harsh but it works. > -- > tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 > Spam: the other white meat. AIM - twjansen > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 19:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sneakerz.org (sneakerz.org [207.154.226.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9062037B424 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sneakerz.org (Postfix, from userid 1023) id 38FA85D006; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sneakerz.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376EC59206; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:43:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:43:48 -0500 (CDT) From: missnglnk To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Tom Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter In-Reply-To: <000701c025cf$66e4c2e0$f54379a5@p4f0i0> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Umm, I'm surpoised, on one has come across user/process limits which are in the base system, see the login.conf(5) and the existing /etc/login.conf example, and you'll see why you don't need homegrown code, or any other extensions onto the system. -- missnglnk@sneakerz.org http://www.sneakerz.org/~missnglnk On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:30:25 -0400 > From: Jonathan M. Slivko > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Tom > Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > > I agree. That is harsh. I was thinking of maybe a piece of homegrown code > that could do the job. Any ideas as to if someone has already done it in > FreeBSD? > > -- Jonathan M. Slivko > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 MDT, "Forrest W. Christian" writes: > > >On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > > > >> I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to > > >> load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of > > >> proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone > > >> know if FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it? > > > > > >Although it doesn't prevent the load, there is the option of killing all > > >of the user's processes when they logout... > > > > > >(Gotta be careful not to do this for the wrong user (i.e. root)) > > > > > > > You could also install the software you want them to run and then > > mount all user writable filesystems noexec, including homedirs. > > Harsh but it works. > > -- > > tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 > > Spam: the other white meat. AIM - twjansen > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 21:11:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05CC37B422 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA90225; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:11:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.0.14]) by arnold.neland.dk (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8O01HN05613; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:01:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <007401c025ba$9e646be0$0e00a8c0@neland.dk> Reply-To: "Leif Neland" From: "Leif Neland" To: "Steve Mackin" Cc: References: <39CD0726.D0BBBC4E@zebidee.f9.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sendmail 8.11.0 (mindmeld!!!) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:56:46 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mackin" To: <> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:40 PM Subject: Sendmail 8.11.0 (mindmeld!!!) > Hi > > Hope one of you guys can help me with this little problem > > First a litle back ground: > > After reading sendmail by O'Reilly I have successfully configured > sendmail using my own customized sendmail.cf file > Are you creating the sendmail.cf from a sendmail.mc? Have you recompiled sendmail.cf? Have you tried posting this question in comp.mail.sendmail? Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Sep 23 23:23:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B806237B424 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05577; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:23:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:23:48 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: missnglnk Cc: "Jonathan M. Slivko" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Tom Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Forgive me for being ignorant, but how does this prevent someone from running an unauthorized background process on a machine? If it has this capabibility it is either non-obvious or I'm being blind. -forrestc@imach.com On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, missnglnk wrote: > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:43:48 -0500 (CDT) > From: missnglnk > To: Jonathan M. Slivko > Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Tom > Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > > Umm, I'm surpoised, on one has come across user/process limits which are > in the base system, see the login.conf(5) and the existing /etc/login.conf > example, and you'll see why you don't need homegrown code, or any other > extensions onto the system. > -- > missnglnk@sneakerz.org > http://www.sneakerz.org/~missnglnk > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:30:25 -0400 > > From: Jonathan M. Slivko > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Tom > > Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > > > > I agree. That is harsh. I was thinking of maybe a piece of homegrown code > > that could do the job. Any ideas as to if someone has already done it in > > FreeBSD? > > > > -- Jonathan M. Slivko > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:59 PM > > Subject: Re: Backround Proccess Limiter > > > > > > > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:50:42 MDT, "Forrest W. Christian" writes: > > > >On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > > > > > >> I'm trying to set up a machine so no eggdrop bots will be able to > > > >> load, but BitchX and BNC sessions will load. I need some kind of > > > >> proccess limiter of some kind to help acheive this task. Does anyone > > > >> know if FreeBSD has one in it already? If so, where can I find it? > > > > > > > >Although it doesn't prevent the load, there is the option of killing all > > > >of the user's processes when they logout... > > > > > > > >(Gotta be careful not to do this for the wrong user (i.e. root)) > > > > > > > > > > You could also install the software you want them to run and then > > > mount all user writable filesystems noexec, including homedirs. > > > Harsh but it works. > > > -- > > > tom@unhooked.net ICQ - 16163541 > > > Spam: the other white meat. AIM - twjansen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. 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