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So I do make buildworld, no problem. I carefully go through GENERIC, and LINT, and think I have my KEPLER configuration file OK, but the first buildkernel completes successfully but throws some warnings, and I decide to fix them (comment out the wdc0-related lines), and it starts out fine but has a couple of warnings, so I go back and re-read LINT carefully, and correct the offending lines and try again and I get the message, /usr/src/sys/dev/ppbus/ppbus_if.h no such file or directory, Error 1, Stop. So I go to /usr/src/sys/dev/ppbus and grep for the header, and sure enough about six files in there depend on it, and sure enough it isn't there. So I crank up ftp and go looking in the source tree at ftp.freebsd.org, and finally locate the right directory, and it isn't there either!!! There *is* a file called ppbus_if.m, but no .h! And I have the .m file already. Oh yeah, all the files have #include "ppbus_if.h" rather than #include , so it should be in the local directory, right? Now I know lots of people have been building 4.1-STABLE without a problem the last few days, so I must be doing something wrong, but at this point I don't know where to look next. I have a printer port on the machine, so I suppose I need the parallel port bus enabled in the kernel. I don't see anything in LINT that suggests I *don't* need it. What else? 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Andy wrote:
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> :I bet it was picking up boot0 from the other disk :)
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>         I thought of that too, hence the swapping of the disks exchanging
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> 
>         And for those telling me to "man fdisk", fdisk -B ad0 or ad1
> didn't work either.  Nothing worked, hence the reason I posted; albeit too
> soon.

I bet the BIOS has virus protection turned on.

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sendmail has been updated from 8.9.3 to 8.11.0 in the RELENG_4 branch.
Some of the more visible changes that may immediately affect your
configuration include:

- New default file locations from src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README
  - Notably, /etc/aliases is now /etc/mail/aliases
- newaliases limited to root and trusted users
- MSA port (587) turned on by default
- New queue file naming system so can't go from 8.11 -> 8.9
- mail.local FreeBSD-only -b option changed to -B
- FEATURE(`rbl') renamed to FEATURE(`dnsbl')
- FEATURE(`nullclient') is more full featured
- FEATURE(`nouucp') requires an argument: `reject' or `nospecial'
- See src/contrib/sendmail/RELEASE_NOTES for more info


After this was done in -CURRENT, a number of questions came up that I will
answer here to save bandwidth:

1. Is STARTTLS going to be enabled?

After September 21, I want to turn on STARTTLS support.  sendmail requires
RSA so turning it on before that time would break builds.  I may look at
Makefile tricks in the mean time.

2. Does this mean SFIO will need to be imported into FreeBSD?

Not for STARTTLS.  I was able to get it working using Torek stdio's
funopen(3) call (_FFR_TLS_TOREK).

3. Is SMTP AUTH going to be enabled?

I don't have any immediate plans to do so.  SMTP AUTH requires Cyrus SASL
and I'm not comfortable enough with that source code to maintain it if it
were imported into the FreeBSD source tree.

4. Why doesn't the default configuration support IPv6?

Note that the sendmail binary does support IPv6.  However, I didn't enable
the IPv6 socket in etc/sendmail/freebsd.mc as it would break systems which
didn't compile IPv6 support into the kernel.  Therefore, if you want IPv6
support, simply create your own .mc file and include the following two
additional lines:

DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=MTA-v4, Family=inet')
DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Name=MTA-v6, Family=inet6')

5. Will the sendmail version of vacation be used?

This is on my list of things to do.


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Hello,
    I would like to update the list on my problems and give a brief
generalisation.  I would have to say that the SD-11 must be poorly
manufactured because along with the fact that random reboots occur quite
often, and are almost impossible to trace, the UDMA33 and ATA66 don't work
at all.  To fix my problems I implemented an older Matsonic motherboard with
all the wonderful SMB features (the 7070SD to be percise) and a Promise
Fasttrak66/100 card to handle the UDMA/ATA features.  The Matsonic is a Dual
PentiumIII 500-700mhz compatible motherboard with a nice INTEL chipset.  I
dont want to be the pot calling the kettle black but wtf is up with VIA?
Are there actual implementations of the Athlon Processor the VIA Chipset and
UDMA/ATA66 working in unison?  I think Asus and Abit are coming out with
their two newest boards that will solve alot of the deficiency problems with
voltage and/or the ATA controller's onboard. The models are the Abit KA7100
AMD Athlon Slot A ATX Motherboard (list $153.00) and the Asus A7V Amd Socket
A ATX ATA100 Motherboard (list $154.00).  I have now learned the
extensiveness of FreeBSD being picky and quite frankly I understand and am
very empathetic to its needs.  Does anyone have some case studies involving
the above mentioned hardware?  It would be very nice to hear from other
people on these issues.

-Robert

p.s. Regarding the fasttrak controller since it shows up as /dev/ad6 does
this mean I can end up putting massive amounts of IDE inside the machine
with the mainbord ide controller and if needed more Promise cards?





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I cvsupped yesterday, and did:

make buildworld
make buildkernel KERNEL=celery
make installkernel KERNEL=celery
reboot in single user mode
make installworld

and it died with this:

===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
    
cd sdbm && make all
rm -rf libsdbm.a
ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
chmod 755 libsdbm.a
chmod:No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Rather than having a half-installed system, I did a make -k
installworld, and completed the installation.  I also tried running
make release, and it died at the same place.  I didn't see any recent
commits to perl since my last buildworld  that would account for this.

Any ideas?


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Hmm, that's interesting.  I cvsup'd at ~4AM yesterday, updated my source
from my repos., did a buildworld, and just now did an installworld of it
and I had no problems.


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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Bruce Albrecht wrote:

> I cvsupped yesterday, and did:
> 
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel KERNEL=celery
> make installkernel KERNEL=celery
> reboot in single user mode
> make installworld
> 
> and it died with this:
> 
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
>     
> cd sdbm && make all
> rm -rf libsdbm.a
> ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> chmod:No such file or directory
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Rather than having a half-installed system, I did a make -k
> installworld, and completed the installation.  I also tried running
> make release, and it died at the same place.  I didn't see any recent
> commits to perl since my last buildworld  that would account for this.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
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On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 01:42:07PM -0400, Robert Augustine wrote:

> generalisation.  I would have to say that the SD-11 must be poorly
> manufactured because along with the fact that random reboots occur quite
> often, and are almost impossible to trace, the UDMA33 and ATA66 don't work
> at all.  To fix my problems I implemented an older Matsonic motherboard with
> all the wonderful SMB features (the 7070SD to be percise) and a Promise
> Fasttrak66/100 card to handle the UDMA/ATA features.  The Matsonic is a Dual
> PentiumIII 500-700mhz compatible motherboard with a nice INTEL chipset.  I
> dont want to be the pot calling the kettle black but wtf is up with VIA?

My Abit KA7 with VIA chipset works just fine. But I run it on SCSI disks so
that could be substantial difference.

> Are there actual implementations of the Athlon Processor the VIA Chipset and
> UDMA/ATA66 working in unison?  I think Asus and Abit are coming out with
> their two newest boards that will solve alot of the deficiency problems with
> voltage and/or the ATA controller's onboard. The models are the Abit KA7100

I think Soren has a KA7100 himself. (that is IIRC). Check the mailinglist
archives, I'm pretty sure there are reports on KA7100

-- 
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Hi!

I installed FreeBSD-4.1-RELEASE yesterday. Right afterwards I cvsuped to
4.1-STABLE and built the system and a new kernel following the steps in
UPDATING.
The system runs fine, but I have one single problem: ata0-slave doesn't
show up when booting the new kernel although it does when I boot the
kernel that comes with 4.1-RELEASE.

dmesg output when booting the 4.1-RELEASE-kernel:

----------
atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0 at
device 15.0 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad1: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33
ata1-master: DMA limitted to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4 
-----------

But every kernel I build from the 4.1-STABLE sources (as well the
GENERIC) results in the following result:

-----------
atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0 at
device 15.0 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4
-------------

Where is ad1? I don't have any idea what's wrong. I tried a lot of
kernel-configs, but I can't make ata0-slave show up.

I tried it with the following entries in my kernel-config:

example I: 

device		ata0
device		ata1
device		ata
device		atadisk
device		atapicd		
options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		 

example II:

device		ata
device		atadisk0
device		atadisk1
device		atapicd
options		ATA_STATIC_ID

example III (from the 4.1-STABLE-GENERIC):

device		ata0	at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
device		ata1	at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
device		ata
device		atadisk			# ATA disk drives
device		atapicd			# ATAPI CDROM drives
options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		

What am I missing? I hope anybody can help me out! Thanks a lot for your
attention and your help!

Best Regards,
Herbert 


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On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 10:32:46PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <20000826191606.A27736@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
> : 	In other words, the UPDATING file is incorrect.  I made changes
> : 	to UPDATING and sent the maintainer a patch, but evidently he
> : 	hasn't seen fit to use my patch.
> 
> Are you sure?  I'm pretty sure that this was fixed:
> 
> revision 1.73.2.14
> date: 2000/08/24 18:46:51;  author: imp;  state: Exp;  lines: +1 -3
> Remove manual installation of modules.  installkernel does that.
> 

	Sorry! I didn't actually check myself; if you've patched 
	UPDATING, great.

	BTW, I have some ideas how this entire issue of updating one's
	FBSD system can be done lots easier: say,  by doing essentially
	an ftp binary up-rev across major releases: 2 -> 3 or 3 -> 4.
	Then using a relatively simple build|install and mergemaster 
	moving within released.  

	Like everything else, it's a matter of time and prio....  

	gary


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Hi Josh and thanks a lot for your reply!

I am running now 4.1-STABLE userland (built yesterday) and the original
kernel that comes with the 4.1-RELEASE installation.

Here is the output of uname -a:

FreeBSD freebsd2.rocks 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28 
14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
i386

Here are the important lines of dmesg:

atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0 
at device 15.0 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad1: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33
ata1-master: DMA limitted to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4

And finally the df-output, that shows mounted filesystems from each of
my three hard disks:

Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a     74383    36075    32358    53%    /
/dev/ad0s1g   1488607   551345   818174    40%    /home
/dev/ad0s1h   2977230   984905  1754147    36%    /usr
/dev/ad0s1d   3020518   416766  2362111    15%    /usr/local
/dev/ad0s1f    124015     5392   108702     5%    /var
procfs              4        4        0   100%    /proc
/dev/ad1s1e   6944186  2151210  4237442    34%    /mnt/disk0
/dev/ad1s3e  12440776  1691453  9754061    15%    /mnt/disk1
/dev/ad2s2f   9091795  6402416  1962036    77%    /mnt/disk3
/dev/ad2s2e   1488607   619052   750467    45%    /mnt/disk4

I guess that shows that my hard disks are connected correctly and that
all are in an healthy condition or let's say not dead :).

Ok, as I stated earlier every kernel I built from the 4.1-STABLE (also
GENERIC) sources doesn't bring up ata0-slave aka ad1. 

Guys, do you think this is a bug? Should I send-pr or wait?

Best Regards,
Herbert


* Josh Paetzel (jpaetzel@hutchtel.net) [000827 22:04]:
> 
> That is really odd.  GENERIC should work just fine for picking up both the
> master and slave on both controllers.  You are sure the drive didn't die on
> you or anything like that, aren't you?
> 
> I haven't heard anyone else have this problem.  You may have a genuine
> FreeBSD bug on your hands.  Someone more knowledgeable than I may know
> something about this, but if you don't get a response you should send in a
> pr.


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"Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote:
> 
> Hi Josh and thanks a lot for your reply!
> 
> I am running now 4.1-STABLE userland (built yesterday) and the original
> kernel that comes with the 4.1-RELEASE installation.

It doesn't work this way. You are lucky you can even run anything. If
you cvsup, you build both the userland and the kernel. You also have
to pay attention to how you build the kernel. You do that by following
the receipe in /usr/src/UPDATING. It is missing a mergemaster command
after the installworld. 

Kent

> 
> Here is the output of uname -a:
> 
> FreeBSD freebsd2.rocks 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Fri Jul 28
> 14:30:31 GMT 2000 jkh@ref4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
> i386
> 
> Here are the important lines of dmesg:
> 
> atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0
> at device 15.0 on pci0
> ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
> ad1: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33
> ata1-master: DMA limitted to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
> ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
> acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4
> 
> And finally the df-output, that shows mounted filesystems from each of
> my three hard disks:
> 
> Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/ad0s1a     74383    36075    32358    53%    /
> /dev/ad0s1g   1488607   551345   818174    40%    /home
> /dev/ad0s1h   2977230   984905  1754147    36%    /usr
> /dev/ad0s1d   3020518   416766  2362111    15%    /usr/local
> /dev/ad0s1f    124015     5392   108702     5%    /var
> procfs              4        4        0   100%    /proc
> /dev/ad1s1e   6944186  2151210  4237442    34%    /mnt/disk0
> /dev/ad1s3e  12440776  1691453  9754061    15%    /mnt/disk1
> /dev/ad2s2f   9091795  6402416  1962036    77%    /mnt/disk3
> /dev/ad2s2e   1488607   619052   750467    45%    /mnt/disk4
> 
> I guess that shows that my hard disks are connected correctly and that
> all are in an healthy condition or let's say not dead :).
> 
> Ok, as I stated earlier every kernel I built from the 4.1-STABLE (also
> GENERIC) sources doesn't bring up ata0-slave aka ad1.
> 
> Guys, do you think this is a bug? Should I send-pr or wait?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Herbert
> 
> * Josh Paetzel (jpaetzel@hutchtel.net) [000827 22:04]:
> >
> > That is really odd.  GENERIC should work just fine for picking up both the
> > master and slave on both controllers.  You are sure the drive didn't die on
> > you or anything like that, aren't you?
> >
> > I haven't heard anyone else have this problem.  You may have a genuine
> > FreeBSD bug on your hands.  Someone more knowledgeable than I may know
> > something about this, but if you don't get a response you should send in a
> > pr.
> 
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Hi !

How can I set default encryption to MD5 for passwords in master.passwd ?
Now all users I created have DES encrypted passwords.

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Andrey Lakhno wrote:

> How can I set default encryption to MD5 for passwords in master.passwd ?
> Now all users I created have DES encrypted passwords.

Change the libcrypt* symlinks in /usr/lib to their libscrypt*
counterparts and reassign the passwords.

You may need to enter single user mode and the return to multi user
mode to make sure that the authentication subsystem uses the correct
password scheme.

See http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/libcrypt.html

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Hi Kent and thanks for your reply!

I followed all the steps described in /usr/src/UPDATING to upgrade from
4.1-RELEASE to 4.1-STABLE. Running the 4.1-RELEASE kernel all hard
drives are detected correctly, but when I boot the 4.1-STABLE kernel
ata0-slave is missing. Userland and kernel are in sync.

I guess some changes to the ata-code commited between
2000.08.22.00.00.00 and 2000.08.23.00.00.00 to RELENG_4 are causing that
my ata0-slave drive is no longer detected.

Downgrading the sources to 2000.08.21.00.00.00 brings back ata0-slave.

Any ideas?

Best Regards,
Herbert

* Kent Stewart (kstewart@urx.com) [000827 23:49]:
>
> It doesn't work this way. You are lucky you can even run anything. If
> you cvsup, you build both the userland and the kernel. You also have
> to pay attention to how you build the kernel. You do that by following
> the receipe in /usr/src/UPDATING. It is missing a mergemaster command
> after the installworld. 


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"Herbert J. Skuhra" wrote:
> 
> Hi Kent and thanks for your reply!
> 
> I followed all the steps described in /usr/src/UPDATING to upgrade from
> 4.1-RELEASE to 4.1-STABLE. Running the 4.1-RELEASE kernel all hard
> drives are detected correctly, but when I boot the 4.1-STABLE kernel
> ata0-slave is missing. Userland and kernel are in sync.
> 
> I guess some changes to the ata-code commited between
> 2000.08.22.00.00.00 and 2000.08.23.00.00.00 to RELENG_4 are causing that
> my ata0-slave drive is no longer detected.
> 
> Downgrading the sources to 2000.08.21.00.00.00 brings back ata0-slave.

> 
> Any ideas?


Not off the top. You can see what was changed using
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/. You want to end up at
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/

Beyond that I don't have any ideas. The date on .../ata is wrong at
times. You are only worrying about the ata-disk, which I think was
changed on 22 Aug 00 to make the UDMA100 work better :).

Kent

> 
> Best Regards,
> Herbert
> 
> * Kent Stewart (kstewart@urx.com) [000827 23:49]:
> >
> > It doesn't work this way. You are lucky you can even run anything. If
> > you cvsup, you build both the userland and the kernel. You also have
> > to pay attention to how you build the kernel. You do that by following
> > the receipe in /usr/src/UPDATING. It is missing a mergemaster command
> > after the installworld.
> 
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From: "Trond Endrestøl" 
> > How can I set default encryption to MD5 for passwords in master.passwd ?
> > Now all users I created have DES encrypted passwords.
>
> Change the libcrypt* symlinks in /usr/lib to their libscrypt*
> counterparts and reassign the passwords.
>
> You may need to enter single user mode and the return to multi user
> mode to make sure that the authentication subsystem uses the correct
> password scheme.
>
No need to enter single user mode after changing those links.  But make sure you reset root's password as well as any user in the
wheel group.  As this disables all DES passwords.

Otherwise, you will be unable to log into the system when running multi user.

Scot




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On Monday, 28 August 2000 at  0:10:24 +0200, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote:
> * Kent Stewart (kstewart@urx.com) [000827 23:49]:
>>
>> It doesn't work this way. You are lucky you can even run anything. If
>> you cvsup, you build both the userland and the kernel. You also have
>> to pay attention to how you build the kernel. You do that by following
>> the receipe in /usr/src/UPDATING. It is missing a mergemaster command
>> after the installworld.
>
> Hi Kent and thanks for your reply!
>
> I followed all the steps described in /usr/src/UPDATING to upgrade from
> 4.1-RELEASE to 4.1-STABLE. Running the 4.1-RELEASE kernel all hard
> drives are detected correctly, but when I boot the 4.1-STABLE kernel
> ata0-slave is missing. Userland and kernel are in sync.
>
> I guess some changes to the ata-code commited between
> 2000.08.22.00.00.00 and 2000.08.23.00.00.00 to RELENG_4 are causing that
> my ata0-slave drive is no longer detected.
>
> Downgrading the sources to 2000.08.21.00.00.00 brings back ata0-slave.
>
> Any ideas?

This looks like an honest-to-God bug to me.  Yes, you should do a
send-pr.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sun Aug 27 18:28: 7 2000
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Oddly enough, I saw the same problem after a cvsup at about 10:00 PDT
on Friday. What was odd is that I cvsup'ed my desktop and my laptop
within minutes of one another and the desktop had zero problems.

Where this really gets weird is that I had run short of space on my
/usr partition and, rather than re-label, I just created an obj
directory in my scratch partition and created a symlink to it.

The buildworld was clean, but installworld failed because it was
trying to operate in the wrong directory. (But the right partition!)

It tried to install from
/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/ext/SDBM_File when the actual
directory was /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext/SDBM_File.

Why is this really odd? Because I blew away /usr/obj and re-did the
buildworld and installworld with obj on the /usr partition. It worked!
I'd love an explanation of this. Is there a reason that obj can't be
symlinked elsewhere and, how could it cause a loss in the repeat of
the "perl" in the path???

Was your obj on /usr?

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Robert Augustine wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>     I would like to update the list on my problems and give a brief
> generalisation.  I would have to say that the SD-11 must be poorly
> manufactured because along with the fact that random reboots occur quite
> often, and are almost impossible to trace, the UDMA33 and ATA66 don't work
> at all. 

If you search freebsd-questions/hardware you will find other people who have had problems with SD-11s.
I finally resolved my SD-11 crashing problems by:

- Replacing power supply with one which is on AMD's approved list (cut frequency of crashes from minutes to 1-2 days)
- Upgrading BIOS.  I was using an ATI Rage Pro video card and there was some issues with this card and the
  SD-11.  There was a BIOS upgrade in Janurary/Feburary of this year which seemed to have completly fixed my crashing
  problems.

I would not purchase another SD-11 based on my experiences.

johnl


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> pretty please with the way FreeBSD is running, but when I went to
> install some things, it appears that GLUT is not installed with GL in
> XFree86-4.  If I install the Mesa-3 port under XFree86-3, I get GLUT,
> but I don't get it with the XFree86-4 install (which supposedly
> includes Mesa?).

Not all of Mesa is in XFree86-4.  Set XFREE86_VERSION=4 in 
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On Sat, Aug 27, 2000 , Gary Kline wrote:
>
>
>    BTW, I have some ideas how this entire issue of updating one's
>    FBSD system can be done lots easier: say,  by doing essentially
>    an ftp binary up-rev across major releases: 2 -> 3 or 3 -> 4.
>    Then using a relatively simple build|install and mergemaster
>    moving within released.
>
>    Like everything else, it's a matter of time and prio....
>
>    gary
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I vote for that!
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Michael Matsumura wrote:

> I just installed a Promise Ultra66 controller card, and...its not
> working... the card's BIOS booted up and detected my two hard drives...but
> the boot loader spit out the following:
> 
> elf_loadexec: archsw.readin failed
> unable to load kernel:
> Aborted
> 
> [root:~]# uname -a
> FreeBSD jupiter.limit.org 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 25
> 21:35:53 PDT 2000     root@jupiter.limit.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JUPITER
> i386
> 
> 
> I've tried disabling the on-board IDE controller, but to no avail... :\
> Yes, I'm using an 80-wire IDE cable and it boots up fine without the
> Promise controller...
> 
> Suggestions are more than welcome, thanks :)

    Have you d/l'd the latest Promise card firmware?  I did that under
Win2K before booting the system under FreeBSD, and it now works fine.

    My -STABLE system was last built about three days before yours, FYI.

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Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
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> cka writes:
> > You can add me to the list of people who have problems with ipfilter
> > under load. 
> 
> What's your configuration?  Could you list your IPF and NAT rules?
> 
> Next time you have a "freeze", issue ipfstat -s and ipfstat -sl.  If
> you're using statefull filtering, could it be that your state table has
> filled.

I suspect this is in fact the case.  Here's my thinking.

ipnat runs flawlessly for a time.  Usually this time is at least several
days, often it is several weeks.  Without warning (no log messages or
errors on the console), it will begin "re-using" old nat entries.

What I mean by re-using, is that rather then create a new outbound
connection (ie: begin w/ SYN) when a client session calls for it, it
sends an ACK message to the destination (as though the session were a
continuation).  The remote site has no record of a current session, and
sends back RST messages.

My theory is that ipnat thinks it has run out of table entries, and
begins re-using slots, but does NOT correctly re-initialize the slot
before using it.  Here is our configuration:

# uname -a
FreeBSD core1.hck.carroll.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Fri May
19 12:33:18 EDT 2000    
jim@core1.hck.carroll.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ROUTER  i386

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# cat /etc/rc.nat
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Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> In message <20000826191606.A27736@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
> :       In other words, the UPDATING file is incorrect.  I made changes
> :       to UPDATING and sent the maintainer a patch, but evidently he
> :       hasn't seen fit to use my patch.
> 
> Are you sure?  I'm pretty sure that this was fixed:
> 

looks fixed here.  Thanks Warner.

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On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 09:38:02AM -0400, Chris BeHanna wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Michael Matsumura wrote:
> 
> > I just installed a Promise Ultra66 controller card, and...its not
> > working... the card's BIOS booted up and detected my two hard drives...but
> > the boot loader spit out the following:
> > 
> > elf_loadexec: archsw.readin failed
> > unable to load kernel:
> > Aborted
> > 
> > [root:~]# uname -a
> > FreeBSD jupiter.limit.org 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 25
> > 21:35:53 PDT 2000     root@jupiter.limit.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/JUPITER
> > i386
> > 
> > 
> > I've tried disabling the on-board IDE controller, but to no avail... :\
> > Yes, I'm using an 80-wire IDE cable and it boots up fine without the
> > Promise controller...
> > 
> > Suggestions are more than welcome, thanks :)
> 
>     Have you d/l'd the latest Promise card firmware?  I did that under
> Win2K before booting the system under FreeBSD, and it now works fine.
> 
>     My -STABLE system was last built about three days before yours, FYI.
> 

Yep...2.0 build 18, I think...

Well, actually, I got it to boot on another hard drive after I formatted
it, but now I get read timeouts that occur after a short, random time that
cause my system to lock up...doh.  

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>>>>> "DM" == David Malone  writes:

Yes, indeed.  I just set up another FreeBSD server and the only
combination of client/server that lets me ignore read-only attribute
is the BSD/OS server with FreeBSD client.  Any other combination
(of: Linux, FreeBSD, BSD/OS) works as expected.

Thanks for your input.

DM> On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 11:58:32AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
>> Example.  "kci" is a BSD/OS 4.0.1 server with all applicable patches.
>> "onceler" is a FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE (current thru wednesday's version).
>> The file system is served from kci to onceler.  The FreeBSD system is
>> the *only* one that ignores the read-only setting.  Linux and other
>> BSD/OS systems honor it as expected.

DM> The BSD/OS server should not allow you to append to this file, so
DM> I would say the problem is with the server. Certainly, from a
DM> security point of view it would be the server's responsibility to
DM> impliment this. Checking the attributes of the file before writing
DM> in the client may even be difficult to get right in the client
DM> 'cos the server may do some sort of uid mapping.

DM> This problem doesn't seem to occur with a FreeBSD (4.1-STABLE)
DM> server.

DM> 	David.


DM> Script started on Fri Aug 25 17:26:37 2000
DM> TERM: vt320
DM> 17:26:walton 1% df .
DM> Filesystem  1024-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
DM> u2.nfs:/u2     17773026  7401980  8949204    45%    /u2
DM> 17:26:walton 2% ls -l hello
DM> ls: hello: No such file or directory
DM> 17:26:walton 3% touch hello
DM> 17:26:walton 4% chmod gu-w hello
DM> 17:27:walton 5% ls -l hello
DM> -r--r--r--  1 dwmalone  system  0 Aug 25 17:26 hello
DM> 17:27:walton 6% echo blah >> hello
DM> hello: Permission denied.
DM> 17:27:walton 7% ls -l hello
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Allen Landsidel  writes:

>Leaving this responsibility to the client would be loony as all heck, 
>considering anyone could then just hack up their own nfs client and use it 
>to override file permissions on any server they had a valid user/pass on.

From a philosphical perspective, I'm not sure that the above is correct.
NFS was designed to work properly only with trusted clients that are
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At 09:52 08/28/2000 -0700, Rahul Dhesi wrote:



> From a philosphical perspective, I'm not sure that the above is correct.
>NFS was designed to work properly only with trusted clients that are
>under the same administrative control as the NFS server.

Hmm.. didn't know that.. but from a sanity perspective still.. what 
restrictions are there on anyone writing their own goofy nfs client?


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* Rahul Dhesi  [000828 09:52] wrote:
> Allen Landsidel  writes:
> 
> >Leaving this responsibility to the client would be loony as all heck, 
> >considering anyone could then just hack up their own nfs client and use it 
> >to override file permissions on any server they had a valid user/pass on.
> 
> >From a philosphical perspective, I'm not sure that the above is correct.
> NFS was designed to work properly only with trusted clients that are
> under the same administrative control as the NFS server.

That makes about as much sense as making read-only mounts and maproot
into "suggestions" for the clients instead of enforced on the server.

Basically, you're wrong.

-Alfred


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This is likely a hardware issue, but in case it's not...

My clock keeps getting ahead and won't stay on time... any ideas?

shell# date
Tue Sep 19 09:48:47 EDT 2000
shell# ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca
19 Sep 09:48:57 ntpdate[9189]: adjust time server 128.100.103.252
offset -188679
3.860981 sec
shell# date
Tue Sep 19 09:49:00 EDT 2000
shell# ntpdate tick.utoronto.ca
19 Sep 09:49:04 ntpdate[9333]: adjust time server 128.100.103.252
offset -188679
3.855505 sec
shell# uname -a
FreeBSD shell.dreaming.org 4.1-20000818-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-20000818-STABLE
#0: F
ri Aug 18 11:27:04 GMT 2000
root@usw3.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENER
IC  i386


This is a recent development....



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        Hello,

    I did a make world a few hours ago and was happy to see that
sendmail 8.11 has been MFC'd. However, I experience a little problem
with it right now. It seems the way sendmail determines the hostname has
changed since 8.9.3. I explain why.
    Now, everytime I run sendmail (with -bd -q30m at boot, or with mailq
or newaliases...) it freezes during some time and then finally work as
expected. Since this often happens when a program isn't able to
determine the local hostname, I changed my hostname to one that can
resolve and it works.
    In fact, I have an alias in my /etc/hosts file to make my hostname
resolve, because I have a dynamic IP address and no reverse DNS. So, for
convenience, my box's hostname is nebula.org. It works with telnet for
example, and it worked with previous versions of sendmail. However, if
you want to to do a "true" resolve with host or nslookup, the domain
can't be resolved. So I think sendmail now dont read the /etc/hosts
file.
    Does this makes sense ? If someone has an idea on how to make
sendmail working with a "fake" domain name, it will be very appreciated.

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Hello all,

How can I transform Windows TTF fonts to be available under FreeBSD? I
understand that there are several ways of saving fonts under FreeBSD, and I
don't know what they are. Before I start reading about this, I wanted to
know if it's possible to transform Windows TTF fonts to FreeBSD font format.

Thank you in advance.

Noor



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mhenrion> Now, everytime I run sendmail (with -bd -q30m at boot, or with
mhenrion> mailq or newaliases...) it freezes during some time and then
mhenrion> finally work as expected. Since this often happens when a program
mhenrion> isn't able to determine the local hostname, I changed my hostname
mhenrion> to one that can resolve and it works.

See if setting this option to True helps:

M4 Variable Name	Configuration	Description & [Default]
================	=============	=======================
confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES  DontProbeInterfaces
					[False] If set, sendmail will _not_
					insert the names and addresses of any
					local interfaces into class {w}
					(list of known "equivalent" addresses).
					If you set this, you must also include
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					in a mailertable entry) -- otherwise,
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* Noor Dawod  [000828 10:52] wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> How can I transform Windows TTF fonts to be available under FreeBSD? I
> understand that there are several ways of saving fonts under FreeBSD, and I
> don't know what they are. Before I start reading about this, I wanted to
> know if it's possible to transform Windows TTF fonts to FreeBSD font format.
> 
> Thank you in advance.

If you look in /usr/ports/x11-servers you'll see the truetype
servers (Xfstt, XttXF86srv-8514, XttXF86srv-3DLabs..), I haven't
played with this much, but it's a start.

-Alfred


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On 28 Aug, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> This is likely a hardware issue, but in case it's not...
> 
> My clock keeps getting ahead and won't stay on time... any ideas?

Last night I was configuring a new box. I started out with FreeBSD
4.0-RELEASE (from CD) and cvsupped to 4.1-STABLE. During the cvsup and
the subsequent builds, the clock went nuts several times, spewing kernel
messages about microuptime going negative and meanwhile moving the
system clock forward at about 3:1. Anyway, once I restarted with the
updated world and kernel, the nastiness went away. I don't remember
what's been committed to -STABLE since the 18th, but I do remember
seeing dates of 8/21 and later flash by during the cvsup, so you might
try updating and rebuilding.

Steve



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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 at 20:48:42 +0200, Noor Dawod wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> How can I transform Windows TTFs to be available under FreeBSD?

I don't know that you can, but you *can* use TTF fonts under FreeBSD.

> I understand that there are several ways of saving fonts under
> FreeBSD, and I don't know what they are. Before I start reading about
> this, I wanted to know if it's possible to transform Windows TTF fonts
> to FreeBSD font format.

Install /usr/ports/x11-servers/Xfstt, then put the TTFs in
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType.  Then do the following:

    # xfstt --sync
    # xfstt &
    # xset fp+ unix/:7101

You should be able to use them after doing that (at least, that's worked
for me in the past :-)

- jim

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>>>>> "ND" == Noor Dawod  writes:

ND> How can I transform Windows TTF fonts to be available under
ND> FreeBSD? I understand that there are several ways of saving fonts
ND> under FreeBSD, and I don't know what they are. Before I start
ND> reading about this, I wanted to know if it's possible to transform
ND> Windows TTF fonts to FreeBSD font format.

If by "FreeBSD font format" you mean to make them usable with the X
Window System, then all you need to do is install the xfstt port, the
fonts you want, and then tell your X server to use the font server.

Details:

cd /usr/ports/x11-servers/Xfstt; make install
cd /usr/ports/x11-fonts/ttmkfdir; make install

put your *.TTF fonts somewhere, such as /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype

I had to also symlink /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType to the above
directory.  Run ttmkfdir in that directory, and direct output to
"fonts.scale".

run xfstt telling it where to look for your fonts.

add "unix/:7101" to your XFree font path using either xset or adding
it to your XF86Config file.

you now have access to your *.ttf fonts.

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This said, it means that I need to install XFree86 4 in order to have
builtin support, else the other Xtt server. I understand this.

The current server has no X. It has ssh and I log into it using ssh,
remotely. Those familiar with PHP w/ GD support, does it mean that I need
to start the server in X and then PHP will have TTF support, or is it
transparent to PHP, and the underlying system can operate in non-X mode?

Thanks again for your help.

Noor

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Luke Hollins wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Noor Dawod wrote:
> > How can I transform Windows TTF fonts to be available under FreeBSD? I
> > understand that there are several ways of saving fonts under FreeBSD, and I
> > don't know what they are. Before I start reading about this, I wanted to
> > know if it's possible to transform Windows TTF fonts to FreeBSD font format.
> > 
> 
> Xfree86 4 has built in TTF support, you don't need to transform the
> windows fonts to use them. As others said, theres a Xtt server thats a 3.x
> version that supports them as well.
> 
> Luke
>  
> 
> 



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>>>>> "n" == noor   writes:

n> The current server has no X. It has ssh and I log into it using ssh,
n> remotely. Those familiar with PHP w/ GD support, does it mean that I need
n> to start the server in X and then PHP will have TTF support, or is it
n> transparent to PHP, and the underlying system can operate in non-X mode?

No.  GD has its own TTF support, if you build it properly.  Once GD
has support, any applications that use GD *should* inherit that
support.

You should be more precise when you ask your questions.  Tell us what
you want to accomplish, not what you think you need to do to
accomplish it.

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On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 10:17:13PM +0300, noor@comrax.com wrote:
> 
> This said, it means that I need to install XFree86 4 in order to have
> builtin support, else the other Xtt server. I understand this.
> 
> The current server has no X. It has ssh and I log into it using ssh,
> remotely. Those familiar with PHP w/ GD support, does it mean that I need
> to start the server in X and then PHP will have TTF support, or is it
> transparent to PHP, and the underlying system can operate in non-X mode?
> 

Install the freetype port and compile php with '--with-ttf'.  You don't
need X to do this..

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As I recall, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Rahul Dhesi  [000828 09:52] wrote:
>> From a philosphical perspective, I'm not sure that the above is
>> correct.  NFS was designed to work properly only with trusted clients
>> that are under the same administrative control as the NFS server.
> 
> That makes about as much sense as making read-only mounts and maproot
> into "suggestions" for the clients instead of enforced on the server.
> 
> Basically, you're wrong.

He didn't say he agreed with the philosophy, he was just pointing
out what the designers were thinking at the time.


Usta be we didn't need firewalls, either.

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I didn't see this in freebsd-stable so i forward it.

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=============================================================================
FreeBSD-SA-00:42                                           Security Advisory
                                                                FreeBSD, Inc.

Topic:          Linux binary compatability mode can cause system compromise

Category:       core
Module:         kernel
Announced:      2000-08-28
Credits:        Boris Nikolaus 
Affects:        FreeBSD 3.x, 4.x and 5.x prior to the correction date
Corrected:      2000-07-23 (FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT)
                2000-07-29 (FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE)
		2000-08-24 (FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE)
FreeBSD only:   Yes

I.   Background

FreeBSD is binary-compatible with the Linux operating system through a
loadable kernel module/optional kernel component.

II.  Problem Description

The linux binary-compatability module implements a "shadow" filesystem
hierarchy rooted in /compat/linux, which is overlayed against the
regular filesystem hierarchy so that Linux binaries "see" files in the
shadow hierarchy which can mask the native files.

Filenames in this shadow hierarchy are treated incorrectly by the
linux kernel module under certain circumstances, and a kernel stack
overflow leading to a system compromise by an unprivileged user may be
possible when very long filenames are used. This is only possible when
the linux kernel module is loaded, or the equivalent functionality is
statically compiled into the kernel. It is not enabled by default.

This vulnerability was fixed just after the release of FreeBSD
4.1-RELEASE, and 3.5-RELEASE is also vulnerable.

III. Impact

Local users may be able to obtain root privileges on the system when
linux compatability mode is enabled.

IV.  Workaround

To determine whether the linux compatability module has been loaded,
execute the following command as root and look for a 'linux.ko' entry:

# kldstat
 Id Refs Address    Size     Name
  1    7 0xc0100000 270be0   kernel
  2    1 0xc0371000 5540     vesa.ko
  3    1 0xc0377000 10094    randomdev.ko
  4    1 0xc0e17000 4e000    nfs.ko
  5    1 0xc0e83000 11000    linux.ko

If present, unload the "linux" module by executing the following
command as root:

# kldunload linux

For safety, remove the /modules/linux.ko file to prevent it being
reloaded accidentally, and add or change the following line in
/etc/rc.conf:

linux_enable="NO"       # Linux binary compatibility loaded at startup (or NO).

If the module is not loaded, to determine whether the functionality
has been statically compiled into the kernel, check the kernel
configuration file for the following line:

options    COMPAT_LINUX

If present, remove and recompile the kernel as described in
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig.html and reboot the
system.

V.   Solution

One of the following:

1) Upgrade your vulnerable FreeBSD system to 3.5-STABLE, 4.1-STABLE or
5.0-CURRENT after the respective correction dates.

2) Apply the patch below and recompile your kernel.

Either save this advisory to a file, or download the patch and
detached PGP signature from the following locations, and verify the
signature using your PGP utility.

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/patches/SA-00:42/linux.patch
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/CERT/patches/SA-00:42/linux.patch.asc

# cd /usr/src/sys/i386/linux
# patch -p < /path/to/patch_or_advisory

[ Recompile your kernel as described in
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig.html and reboot the
system ]

    Index: linux_misc.c
    ===================================================================
    RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/linux/linux_misc.c,v
    retrieving revision 1.77.2.3
    retrieving revision 1.77.2.4
    diff -u -r1.77.2.3 -r1.77.2.4
    --- linux_misc.c	2000/07/20 05:31:56	1.77.2.3
    +++ linux_misc.c	2000/07/30 05:36:11	1.77.2.4
    @@ -954,6 +954,8 @@
     	tv[1].tv_usec = 0;
     	/* so that utimes can copyin */
     	tvp = (struct timeval *)stackgap_alloc(&sg, sizeof(tv));
    +	if (tvp == NULL)
    +		return (ENAMETOOLONG);
     	if ((error = copyout(tv, tvp, sizeof(tv))))
     	    return error;
     	bsdutimes.tptr = tvp;
    Index: linux_util.c
    ===================================================================
    RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/linux/linux_util.c,v
    retrieving revision 1.9.2.1
    retrieving revision 1.9.2.2
    diff -u -r1.9.2.1 -r1.9.2.2
    --- linux_util.c	2000/07/07 01:23:45	1.9.2.1
    +++ linux_util.c	2000/07/30 05:36:11	1.9.2.2
    @@ -162,7 +162,10 @@
     	else {
     		sz = &ptr[len] - buf;
     		*pbuf = stackgap_alloc(sgp, sz + 1);
    -		error = copyout(buf, *pbuf, sz);
    +		if (*pbuf != NULL)
    +			error = copyout(buf, *pbuf, sz);
    +		else
    +			error = ENAMETOOLONG;
     		free(buf, M_TEMP);
     	}

    Index: linux_util.h
    ===================================================================
    RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/linux/linux_util.h,v
    retrieving revision 1.10
    retrieving revision 1.10.2.1
    diff -u -r1.10 -r1.10.2.1
    --- linux_util.h	1999/12/04 11:10:22	1.10
    +++ linux_util.h	2000/07/30 05:36:11	1.10.2.1
    @@ -56,29 +56,27 @@
     static __inline caddr_t stackgap_init(void);
     static __inline void *stackgap_alloc(caddr_t *, size_t);

    +#define szsigcode (*(curproc->p_sysent->sv_szsigcode))
    +
     static __inline caddr_t
     stackgap_init()
     {
    -#define szsigcode (*(curproc->p_sysent->sv_szsigcode))
     	return (caddr_t)(PS_STRINGS - szsigcode - SPARE_USRSPACE);
     }

    -
     static __inline void *
     stackgap_alloc(sgp, sz)
     	caddr_t	*sgp;
     	size_t   sz;
     {
    -	void	*p = (void *) *sgp;
    -	*sgp += ALIGN(sz);
    +	void *p = (void *) *sgp;
    +
    +	sz = ALIGN(sz);
    +	if (*sgp + sz > (caddr_t)(PS_STRINGS - szsigcode))
    +		return NULL;
    +	*sgp += sz;
     	return p;
     }
    -
    -#ifdef DEBUG_LINUX
    -#define DPRINTF(a)      printf a;
    -#else
    -#define DPRINTF(a)
    -#endif

     extern const char linux_emul_path[];

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 02:13:02AM +0200, Maxime Henrion wrote:
> I didn't see this in freebsd-stable so i forward it.
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from FreeBSD Security Advisories  -----

No, unfortunately it was only posted to freebsd-security, freebsd-announce,
freebsd-security-advisories. These are also know as the APPROPRIATE LISTS FOR
THESE TO BE SENT TO.

We now return you back to your regularly scheduled world breakage reports and
posts more appropriately sent to questions@FreeBSD.org.

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What about guys that track -STABLE and who will just be happy to know that it's worth upgrading now ?

This post wasn't not intended to disturb people, but to help them.

However, sorry for the inconvenience I could have cause.

Maxime Henrion

Bill Fumerola wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 02:13:02AM +0200, Maxime Henrion wrote:
> > I didn't see this in freebsd-stable so i forward it.
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from FreeBSD Security Advisories  -----
>
> No, unfortunately it was only posted to freebsd-security, freebsd-announce,
> freebsd-security-advisories. These are also know as the APPROPRIATE LISTS FOR
> THESE TO BE SENT TO.
>
> We now return you back to your regularly scheduled world breakage reports and
> posts more appropriately sent to questions@FreeBSD.org.
>
> --
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Maxime Henrion wrote:

> What about guys that track -STABLE and who will just be happy to know that it's worth upgrading now ?
> 
> This post wasn't not intended to disturb people, but to help them.
> 
> However, sorry for the inconvenience I could have cause.

People who want to know this kind of stuff need to subscribe to one of the
three (four) lists the security advisories are sent out to..I don't think
it's appropriate to re-send them to -stable as well.

For the record, these lists are:

freebsd-announce
freebsd-security
freebsd-security-notifications (which only gets the advisories, although
I've heard whispers there's a problem with subscribing to this list at the
moment)
bugtraq@securityfocus.com [not a FreeBSD list]

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In message <39AA6B95.AC60A031@carroll.com>, Jim C writes:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
> > 
> > In message  > om>, tu
> > cka writes:
> > > You can add me to the list of people who have problems with ipfilter
> > > under load. 
> > 
> > What's your configuration?  Could you list your IPF and NAT rules?
> > 
> > Next time you have a "freeze", issue ipfstat -s and ipfstat -sl.  If
> > you're using statefull filtering, could it be that your state table has
> > filled.
> 
> I suspect this is in fact the case.  Here's my thinking.
> 
> ipnat runs flawlessly for a time.  Usually this time is at least several
> days, often it is several weeks.  Without warning (no log messages or
> errors on the console), it will begin "re-using" old nat entries.
> 
> What I mean by re-using, is that rather then create a new outbound
> connection (ie: begin w/ SYN) when a client session calls for it, it
> sends an ACK message to the destination (as though the session were a
> continuation).  The remote site has no record of a current session, and
> sends back RST messages.
> 
> My theory is that ipnat thinks it has run out of table entries, and
> begins re-using slots, but does NOT correctly re-initialize the slot
> before using it.  Here is our configuration:
> 
> # uname -a
> FreeBSD core1.hck.carroll.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Fri May
> 19 12:33:18 EDT 2000    
> jim@core1.hck.carroll.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ROUTER  i386
> 
> # cat /etc/rc.local
> /usr/sbin/ipnat -CF
> /usr/sbin/ipnat -f /etc/rc.nat
> 
> # cat /etc/rc.nat
> map de0 10.0.0.0/8 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp 1025:65000

No IPF rules, just NAT rules.

Try adding after your existing NAT rule:

map de0 10.0.0.0/8 -> 0/32

FreeBSD 3.4 came with IPF 3.3.8 (or 7).  Darren has made a number of 
tweaks to the state code and NAT code.  You might want to see if IPF 
3.4.9 + the NAT patch posted last week or IPF 3.3.18 might help or ask 
this question on the IP Filter mailing list.


Regards,                       Phone:  (250)387-8437
Cy Schubert                      Fax:  (250)387-5766
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Aug 28 18:45: 5 2000
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Has this problem been resolved yet? Since I upgraded to 4.1-STABLE from
3.5-STABLE I can't locate my CD-ROM drive. Under 3.5-STABLE there was
no problem.

The parts of dmesg I think are relevant are:

FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Mon Aug 28 11:05:07 ICT 2000
	.
	.
atapci0:  port
0xffa0-0xffaf,0x374-0x377,0x170-0x177,
0x3f4-0x3f7,0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 0 at device 0.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
	.
	.
ata0-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
ad0: 4126MB  [8944/15/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad2: 3077MB  [6253/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a

What happened to ata0-slave? That's where my CD-ROM is located.

Under 3.5-STABLE I had to change the device number to acd0c. A grep of
/dev shows:
acd0a
acd0c
acd1a
acd1c
racd0a
racd0c
racd1a
racd1c

I have the following line in my fstab:
/dev/acd0c              /cdrom          cd9660  ro,noauto       2       2
which worked under 3.5-STABLE but when I try to mount /cdrom I get:
cd9660: Device not configured

I'm baffled, and I really need to use that CD-ROM.
-- 
Roger


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4.1-stable of two hours ago

installworld runs out of disk space on /

there is over 4mb free

previous installed with less than 2mb free

this is with softupdates, which could be a clue

hints?

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Randy Bush wrote:

> 4.1-stable of two hours ago
> 
> installworld runs out of disk space on /
> 
> there is over 4mb free
> 
> previous installed with less than 2mb free
> 
> this is with softupdates, which could be a clue
> 
> hints?

Turn off softupdates on your root partition or delete some stuff.

Kris

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Mon Aug 28 19:16:40 2000
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Dear FreeBSD users...

$ uname -a
FreeBSD maverick.indocyber.com 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Mon Aug 28
10:56:40 JAVT 2000
root@maverick.indocyber.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAVERICK  i386

Last cvsup session was a few hours right before the kernel date.

And now in /var/log/messages I find these:
Aug 29 09:01:54 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 1344 -> 896
Aug 29 09:02:05 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 2112 -> 2080
Aug 29 09:04:36 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 3392 -> 3104

And a lot more showing up at random time...

COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe

$ dmesg | grep pcm0
pcm0:  port 0x1400-0x143f irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci1

Is there something wrong? Application that need pcm0 all runs fine, at
least that's the current condition.

Regards,
John Indra

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 09:14:46AM +0700, John Indra wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD users...
> 
> $ uname -a
> FreeBSD maverick.indocyber.com 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Mon Aug 28
> 10:56:40 JAVT 2000
> root@maverick.indocyber.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAVERICK  i386
> 
> Last cvsup session was a few hours right before the kernel date.
> 
> And now in /var/log/messages I find these:
> Aug 29 09:01:54 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 1344 -> 896
> Aug 29 09:02:05 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 2112 -> 2080
> Aug 29 09:04:36 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 3392 -> 3104
> 
> And a lot more showing up at random time...
> 
> COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
> 
> $ dmesg | grep pcm0
> pcm0:  port 0x1400-0x143f irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci1
> 
> Is there something wrong? Application that need pcm0 all runs fine, at
> least that's the current condition.
> 


Me too.

I've got an AudioPCI ES1370

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I'm running FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE cvsup Aug 28 2000 GMT+7
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cd9660: Input/output error

Is this a bug?

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Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
anyone tell me why this is so?

I haven't yet found out what version of gcc is standard with the latest
FreeBSD versions.  Has it changed?  Where can I get this sort of
information on the FreeBSD website?

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* Andrew McNaughton  [000828 20:34] wrote:
> 
> Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
> came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
> anyone tell me why this is so?
> 
> I haven't yet found out what version of gcc is standard with the latest
> FreeBSD versions.  Has it changed?  Where can I get this sort of
> information on the FreeBSD website?

FreeBSD has been doing a much better job with modernizing our toolchain,
FreeBSD 4.0 has:

Using builtin specs.
gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)

Not exactly bleeding edge, but then again who wants to compile bad code?


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Andrew McNaughton writes:
> 
> Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
> came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
> anyone tell me why this is so?

Its one of the advantages of FreeBSD. A utility which does its job is 
worth more than a newer version which doesn't. At work I still use a 
1991 version of the Introl 68HC11 C compiler. Have the latest too. But 
the old one is what I've always used for production. And the old one 
runs on my Mac when the new doesn't. BTW: Introl distributes NetBSD 
binaries of their Motorola cross compiling tools. But (strange) the 
Linux binaries are easier to use under FreeBSD.

I'll never forget walking by a table at a "computer show" where two 
kids were holding a different Linux distribution each and where 
comparing the version numbers of all the included utilities to 
determine which was "best."

In short, FreeBSD lets Linux users find the bugs in FSF code.




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>> 4.1-stable of two hours ago
>> installworld runs out of disk space on /
>> there is over 4mb free
>> previous installed with less than 2mb free
>> this is with softupdates, which could be a clue
>> hints?
> Turn off softupdates on your root partition or delete some stuff.

thank you!

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Andrew McNaughton wrote:
> 
> Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
> came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
> anyone tell me why this is so?
> 
> I haven't yet found out what version of gcc is standard with the latest
> FreeBSD versions.  Has it changed?  Where can I get this sort of
> information on the FreeBSD website?

Try the following on your system.

kent@ruby$ gcc -v
Using builtin specs.
gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)

I think you will find your default is 2.8.2.

Kent
 
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As of a cvsup last Friday?

(FreeBSD-4.X-STABLE)

It seems the syntax of the config file has changed?
i.e. 'enable dns' isn't recognized as a command in the 'default' section.
And the default route is not being added automatically, which breaks autodialling with tun0..

Although it does work if I run it manually, '-auto' seems b0rken....

Just wondered if anybody else had seen this?

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There is a revision 1.2.2.1 of src/release/ERRATA.TXT. It says that
there is a bug in boot0. It is commited at Aug/18/2000 (10+ days before).

However, we have already have ERRATA.TXT which is available at
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It says that fetch(1) will fail in some cases.

Moreover, we have also have yet another ERRATA.TXT which is available at
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It says nothing about 4.1-RELEASE update information.

Hmm, much confusing. What's the truth? fetch(1) is broken only in
i386 architecuture? How about boot0? Are there any errata of ERRATA.TXT?

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I hope this is the right place to ask this question...

I recently saw a listing in the cvs-all mailing list that claimed the 
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On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:01:05PM -0500, John Lengeling wrote:
> 
> 
> Robert Augustine wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> >     I would like to update the list on my problems and give a brief
> > generalisation.  I would have to say that the SD-11 must be poorly
> > manufactured because along with the fact that random reboots occur quite
> > often, and are almost impossible to trace, the UDMA33 and ATA66 don't work
> > at all. 
> 
> If you search freebsd-questions/hardware you will find other people who have had problems with SD-11s.
> I finally resolved my SD-11 crashing problems by:
> 
> - Replacing power supply with one which is on AMD's approved list (cut frequency of crashes from minutes to 1-2 days)
> - Upgrading BIOS.  I was using an ATI Rage Pro video card and there was some issues with this card and the
>   SD-11.  There was a BIOS upgrade in Janurary/Feburary of this year which seemed to have completly fixed my crashing
>   problems.
> 
> I would not purchase another SD-11 based on my experiences.

IMHO, to be fair, the hardware isn't entirely to blame. So far most of
these problems seem to have been resolved when people put the
*CORRECT* power supply in their machine, saying the board is crap
because people insist on putting it with the wrong PSU is just FUD.

The only real problem is if you have some spangly graphics card with a
6A requirement, but my Maxi Gamer Xentor 32 (Riva TNT2 ultra) doesn't
seem to have too much of a problem here, unless I play games under
windows at 1600x1200, which, I think is placing an unnecesary demand
on my hardware, as 1280x1024 will suffice.

Other than that, there was a problem with the SD11 and large IDE
drives, but it didn't actually affect FreeBSD directly, just that the
BIOS would hang if you set it to auto detect a drive that big. [You
could tell those BIOSes a smaller drive size and still use it fine.]

The only other problem was that I had been building kernels with AUTO_EOI
settings in them, removing them fixed the last of my problems. I reckon
people are probably seeing that these options speed things up and whacking
them in. Since I took out AUTO_EOI_2 it's run perfectly stable, through
various make worlds etc.

Bearing in mind that this was one of the very first boards to support
a new CPU, and almost everything on it was new almost to reference
design from AMD it's pretty good. Consider this in comparison to the
original triton chipsets for the first pentiums, or all the OPTi
chipsets that just wouldn't ever work with FreeBSD. On the whole I'm
very impressed with the SD11 really, when you consider what other
first generation boards have been like.

So, "Here's one a made earlier" :

500MHz Athlon, SD11, 196Mb RAM, bt848 card, Riva TNT2 Ultra (Maxi Gamer Xentor 32),
PCI modem (cheap brandless thing), Creative Labs Soundblaster 16 PCI (es1371),
33Gb IBM ide disk.

If someone can give me a conclusive test whether or not ATA66 is working, I'll
try it out, but these seem to show it's okay.

root@snuggly 2 0 # dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=128k count=10000
10000+0 records in
10000+0 records out
1310720000 bytes transferred in 56.420233 secs (23231382 bytes/sec)

root@snuggly 23 1 # dd if=/dev/rad0 of=/dev/null bs=1024k count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
1048576 bytes transferred in 0.051883 secs (20210403 bytes/sec)

So, is this is it coming straight from the hard disk cache ?

root@snuggly 24 0 # dd if=/dev/rad0 of=/dev/null bs=1024k count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
1048576 bytes transferred in 0.020338 secs (51557330 bytes/sec)

Looks to me like 20Mb/s is the transfer speed of the disk, and 51Mb/s
is about as fast as data can come from the disk cache, but I could
be wrong. (it's got 2048k of on disk cache.)

Anyway, I get almost the same disk speed figures in windows with
various benchmark utils, except that windows seems slightly slower.

Varying from 20Mb/s to about 13Mb/s from start to end of disk
respectively, and I really think that's probably just the speed of the
disk internally.

Here's the dmesg:

Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #0: Mon Aug 14 19:37:48 BST 2000
    root@snuggly.demon.co.uk:/usr/src/sys/compile/SNUGGLY
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 499034310 Hz
CPU: AMD-K7(tm) Processor (499.03-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x612  Stepping = 2
  Features=0x81f9ff
  AMD Features=0xc0400000
real memory  = 201261056 (196544K bytes)
avail memory = 191746048 (187252K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0330000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc033009c.
Preloaded elf module "splash_bmp.ko" at 0xc03300ec.
Preloaded splash_image_data "/boot/arse.bmp" at 0xc0330190.
VESA: v3.0, 4096k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc0279962 (1000022)
VESA: NVidia
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0:  on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at 5.0 irq 11
dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xefffff00-0xefffffff irq 10 at device 4.0 on pci0
dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:5b:46:42
miibus0:  on dc0
ukphy0:  on miibus0
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
bktr0:  mem 0xeddfe000-0xeddfefff irq 9 at device 6.0 on pci0
iicbb0:  on bti2c0
iicbus0:  on iicbb0 master-only
smbus0:  on bti2c0
Miro TV, Temic NTSC tuner.				<<<<< THIS IS WRONGLY ID'D
isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pci0:  at 7.2 irq 5
chip1:  at device 7.4 on pci0
pcm0:  port 0xd000-0xd03f irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0
atkbdc0:  at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0
atkbd0:  irq 1 on atkbdc0
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0:  on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200>
fdc0:  at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
ppc0:  at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
pca0 at port 0x40 on isa0
sio1:  at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ad0: 32634MB  [66305/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA66
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-master using UDMA33
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a

And here's a kernel config that works nicely : (for FreeBSD 4.0-release)

machine         i386
ident           SNUGGLY
cpu             I686_CPU                # aka Pentium Pro(tm)
maxusers        64
makeoptions     CONF_CFLAGS="-pipe -march=pentiumpro -O"

options         COMPAT_43

options         SYSVSHM
options         SYSVSEM
options         SYSVMSG
options         PERFMON
options         KTRACE
options         AUTO_EOI_1
options         VESA

#AUTO_EOI_2 seems to cause ata not to find ata_master
#it just times out =(
#options                AUTO_EOI_2

options         UCONSOLE

options         INET                    #Internet communications protocols

pseudo-device   ether                   #Generic Ethernet
pseudo-device   loop                    #Network loopback device
pseudo-device   bpf                     #Berkeley packet filter
pseudo-device   tun                     #Tunnel driver (ppp(8), nos-tun(8))

options         FFS                     #Fast filesystem
options         MFS                     #Memory File System
options         FFS_ROOT                #FFS usable as root device
options         CD9660                  #ISO 9660 filesystem
options         KERNFS                  #Kernel filesystem
options         MSDOSFS                 #MS DOS File System
options         PROCFS                  #Process filesystem
options         SOFTUPDATES
options         P1003_1B
options         _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options         _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L

pseudo-device   pty             #Pseudo ttys
pseudo-device   speaker         #Play IBM BASIC-style noises out your speaker

device          isa

device          atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD
device          atkbd0  at atkbdc? irq 1
device          psm0    at atkbdc? irq 12

device          vga0    at isa?

pseudo-device   splash

device          sc0     at isa?

device          npx0    at nexus? port IO_NPX flags 0x0 irq 13

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device          ata0    at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
device          ata1    at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
device          ata
device          atadisk                 # ATA disk drives
device          atapicd                 # ATAPI CDROM drives
options         ATA_STATIC_ID
options         ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA

device          fdc0    at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2
device          fd0     at fdc0 drive 0

device          sio0    at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4

device          pci

device          miibus
device          dc              # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes

device pcm

device bktr
device iicbus
device iicbb
device smbus

## Printer (hopefully!)
device ppbus
device lpt
device ppc0 at isa? port? irq 7

#PC speaker
device          pca0 at isa? port IO_TIMER1


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The lpt driver has a bunch of flags in the high bits of the minor device
number which affect device behaviour.  Most of these appear to have been
broken since newbus - if you create the /dev node and try to open it, you
get "Device not configured", and the lptopen() entry point in the driver
doesn't get called.

The following fixes it for the specific case I am interested in:

Index: lpt.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /repository/src/sys/dev/ppbus/lpt.c,v
retrieving revision 1.15.2.3
diff -c -r1.15.2.3 lpt.c
*** lpt.c	2000/07/07 00:30:40	1.15.2.3
--- lpt.c	2000/08/29 11:29:28
***************
*** 417,422 ****
--- 417,424 ----
  	    UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, LPT_NAME "%d", unit);
  	make_dev(&lpt_cdevsw, unit | LP_BYPASS,
  	    UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, LPT_NAME "%d.ctl", unit);
+ 	make_dev(&lpt_cdevsw, unit | LP_PRIMEOPEN,
+ 	    UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, 0600, LPT_NAME "%d.reset", unit);
  	return (0);
  }
  


but full coverage of the combinations of the 4 option bits would need 16
such entries.  Even omitting combinations that have no obvious use gives
7 entries.  Is this how things are meant to be done?  What about drivers
that pack a ton of info into the minor device?



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>>>>> "AM" == Andrew McNaughton  writes:

AM> Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
AM> came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
AM> anyone tell me why this is so?

Install the "gcc295" port and then set CC=gcc295 when compiling.  Many
current packages need this, so you might as well install it if you
want to keep current software and stay with FreeBSD 3.x.

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I am thinking of enabling softupdates but have read in
the questions/stable mail listing archives that
enabling
softupdates when the hard drive has write cache
enabled
could cause trouble that would not normally be
experienced.

Does anyone know if there is any truth to that? Is
disabling write cache not a good idea? If anyone could
offer up some suggestions, that would be beneficial.

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It appears that 4.1-STABLE has introduced more pcm problems with the Sound Blaster Live!, and perhaps other cards as well.

I just CVSuped to 4.1-STABLE from 4.1-RELEASE, and soon after boot I get this in /var/log/messages:

Aug 29 08:16:14 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 576 -> 3904
Aug 29 08:18:46 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 32 -> 3360
Aug 29 08:19:28 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 2240 -> 1696
Aug 29 08:19:31 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 1696 -> 1632
Aug 29 08:19:34 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 2560 -> 1920
Aug 29 08:19:45 c169507-b /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 1120 -> 704

I have these lines in kernel, and this has worked for me ever since 4.0-RELEASE:
device          sbc
device          pcm

Is this a known problem? Any solutions? 



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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:49:04AM -0400, Gary Richter wrote:
> I hope this is the right place to ask this question...

-questions probalby is.

> I recently saw a listing in the cvs-all mailing list that claimed the 
> behavior of Dhclient had been modified to allow dynamic hostname updates. I 
> used to use a script to do this, but I would be happy to find out that I 
> would no longer need to do this. I built the latest -STABLE today, but still 
> Dhclient behaves as it always has. Am I missing something, or did I 
> misinterpret what I read? Any help is greatly appreciated...

What do you mean by allowing dynamic hostname updates?  The patch at the
very end of the history of the following PR may do what you want:

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=18583

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Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote upgrade, the system dials
back in, but no default route is set!

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Rasputin wrote:

> As of a cvsup last Friday?
> 
> (FreeBSD-4.X-STABLE)
> 
> It seems the syntax of the config file has changed? i.e. 'enable dns'
> isn't recognized as a command in the 'default' section. And the
> default route is not being added automatically, which breaks
> autodialling with tun0..
> 
> Although it does work if I run it manually, '-auto' seems b0rken....
> 
> Just wondered if anybody else had seen this?
> 
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The only disadvantage, if i recall correctly is 2.7.2.3 didn't include the
c++ stl, or had some problem problems compiling c++ code. In in eithercase,
if you feel the need to have a newer compiler, you can always go into
/usr/ports/lang and install a newer compiler.

Remember a good portion of the users probably only need a compiler, to
perform a make world, and compile some ports. For these people, a compiler
that will build these sucessfuly is all that's needed. For the select few
that need the features found in the newer versions of gcc, they are probably
savy enough to install their own compiler.

Having said that, remember that 3.x is also "old", as Alfred already pointed
out, 4.x uses 2.95.2, which is sufficient for any compiling i do.

Sameer

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Kelly
> Andrew McNaughton writes:
> >
> > Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version
> 2.7.2.3.  This
> > came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
> > anyone tell me why this is so?
>
> Its one of the advantages of FreeBSD. A utility which does its job is
> worth more than a newer version which doesn't. At work I still use a
> 1991 version of the Introl 68HC11 C compiler. Have the latest too. But
> the old one is what I've always used for production. And the old one
> runs on my Mac when the new doesn't. BTW: Introl distributes NetBSD
> binaries of their Motorola cross compiling tools. But (strange) the
> Linux binaries are easier to use under FreeBSD.
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In message  Randy Bush writes:
: this is with softupdates, which could be a clue

Turn softupdates off.  Softupdates doesn't have the smarts to stall a
request for space that could be fulfilled with a pending delete.

Alternatively, get a bigger slash (big pita, I know).  Might want to
expand /usr while you are at it, since the PITA to expand both is the
same as the pita to expand one.

Alternatively, I think I've had success with
	make installworld INSTALL="sync && install"
which causes a lot of syncs to happen, which causes softupdates to
effectively be disabled.  And slows things WAY down.

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In message  Andrew McNaughton writes:
: Using a FreeBSD-3.4 box, I notice that it uses gcc version 2.7.2.3.  This
: came out in January 1997, which seems rather an old version to use.  Can
: anyone tell me why this is so?

Because there were no more stable versions of gcc when 3.0 was
released.  2.8 was too unstable at the time to use because it had,
iirc, optimizer bugs that preculded its use in the kernel.  But it may 
have been a few other user programs.

: I haven't yet found out what version of gcc is standard with the latest
: FreeBSD versions.  Has it changed?  

4.x ships with 2.95 plus a few bug fixes.

: Where can I get this sort of
: information on the FreeBSD website?

I don't know.

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Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote:
> 
> There is a revision 1.2.2.1 of src/release/ERRATA.TXT. It says that
> there is a bug in boot0. It is commited at Aug/18/2000 (10+ days before).
> 
> However, we have already have ERRATA.TXT which is available at
> .
> It says that fetch(1) will fail in some cases.
> 
> Moreover, we have also have yet another ERRATA.TXT which is available at
> .
> It says nothing about 4.1-RELEASE update information.
> 
> Hmm, much confusing. What's the truth? fetch(1) is broken only in
> i386 architecuture? How about boot0? Are there any errata of ERRATA.TXT?

Uh, this is odd. :)  AFAIK, the version in CVS is the official version.
It probably needs to have the fetch(1) errata merged into that in both
versions (alpha and i386), (as well as the webpage version, also in CVS).
Then, the ftp site needs to be updated so that it has the lateest ERRATA.TXT
from the CVS tree.  boot0 is only i386, so it doesn't need mentioning in
the alpha errata.  Whoever manually edited the ERRATA.TXT on the FTP site
needs to be thwapped a couple of times. :)

> -- -
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In message <39AB5A46.9FB75350@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
: Try the following on your system.
: 
: kent@ruby$ gcc -v
: Using builtin specs.
: gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)
: 
: I think you will find your default is 2.8.2.

No.  2.8.2 has never been in a released version of FreeBSD.  3.4
definitely shipped with 2.7.3.2: 

% gcc -v
gcc version 2.7.2.3
% uname -a | anonymize
FreeBSD xxx 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 25 17:46:57 MDT 2000 yyy@xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/XXX i386
% 

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In message  Andrew Gordon writes:
: but full coverage of the combinations of the 4 option bits would need 16
: such entries.  Even omitting combinations that have no obvious use gives
: 7 entries.  Is this how things are meant to be done?  What about drivers
: that pack a ton of info into the minor device?

They manage their device space.  7 devices is OK since devfs doesn't
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:34:39AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote:
> Then, the ftp site needs to be updated so that it has the lateest
> ERRATA.TXT from the CVS tree.  boot0 is only i386, so it doesn't need
> mentioning in the alpha errata.

IMHO, there should be only a single ERRATA as OpenBSD does.  Things alpha
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Jonathan Smith wrote:
> 
> Hmm, that's interesting.  I cvsup'd at ~4AM yesterday, updated my source
> from my repos., did a buildworld, and just now did an installworld of it
> and I had no problems.

I just cvsup'ed and my installworld died at the same spot.

Kent

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> 
> On Sun, 27 Aug 2000, Bruce Albrecht wrote:
> 
> > I cvsupped yesterday, and did:
> >
> > make buildworld
> > make buildkernel KERNEL=celery
> > make installkernel KERNEL=celery
> > reboot in single user mode
> > make installworld
> >
> > and it died with this:
> >
> > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
> >     
> > cd sdbm && make all
> > rm -rf libsdbm.a
> > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> > chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> > chmod:No such file or directory
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > Rather than having a half-installed system, I did a make -k
> > installworld, and completed the installation.  I also tried running
> > make release, and it died at the same place.  I didn't see any recent
> > commits to perl since my last buildworld  that would account for this.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 09:14:46AM +0700, John Indra wrote:
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> Dear FreeBSD users...
> 
> $ uname -a
> FreeBSD maverick.indocyber.com 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Mon Aug 28
> 10:56:40 JAVT 2000
> root@maverick.indocyber.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MAVERICK  i386
> 
> Last cvsup session was a few hours right before the kernel date.
> 
> And now in /var/log/messages I find these:
> Aug 29 09:01:54 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 1344 -> 896
> Aug 29 09:02:05 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 2112 -> 2080
> Aug 29 09:04:36 maverick /kernel: pcm0: hwptr went backwards 3392 -> 3104
> 
> And a lot more showing up at random time...
> 
> COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe
> 
> $ dmesg | grep pcm0
> pcm0:  port 0x1400-0x143f irq 11 at device 10.0 on pci1
> 
> Is there something wrong? Application that need pcm0 all runs fine, at
> least that's the current condition.
> 
> Regards,
> John Indra
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   I have this problem, too (I've posted a message on 2000-08-23, but
no replies).

casimiro> uname -a
FreeBSD goku.kasby 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 23
15:52:29 CEST 2000     root@goku.kasby:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GOKU
i386
  
  
casimiro> tail -3 /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GOKU
# Sound board
device          pcm
device          sbc0    at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15


casimiro> cat /dev/sndstat
FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Aug 23 2000 15:51:38
Installed devices:
pcm0:  at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:5 (1p/1r channels duplex)


casimiro> dmesg | grep -E 'sbc|pcm'
sbc0:  at port 0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 on
isa0
sbc0: setting card to irq 5, drq 1, 5
pcm0:  on sbc0

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> > # cat /etc/rc.local
> > /usr/sbin/ipnat -CF
> > /usr/sbin/ipnat -f /etc/rc.nat
> >
> > # cat /etc/rc.nat
> > map de0 10.0.0.0/8 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp 1025:65000
> 
> No IPF rules, just NAT rules.

That is correct.

> Try adding after your existing NAT rule:
> 
> map de0 10.0.0.0/8 -> 0/32

We originally had this rule and removed it.  We were trying to simplify
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> Nick Evans wrote:
> 
> Do you have definitive proof of this? Have you sent this theory along
> to Darren?

The problem is real, the theory is just a guess.  The real problem is
that we cannot reliably reproduce it.  As I mentioned in my message, it
sometimes fails in hours, othertimes it will run for more than a week.

We have looked at the "other" software we have running on the machine. 
At present, the only other software running is sshd and gated.

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim C [mailto:jim@carroll.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 9:40 AM
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> 
> Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote:
> >
> > In message
>  > om>, tu
> > cka writes:
> > > You can add me to the list of people who have problems with
> ipfilter
> > > under load.
> >
> > What's your configuration?  Could you list your IPF and NAT rules?
> >
> > Next time you have a "freeze", issue ipfstat -s and ipfstat -sl.  If
> 
> > you're using statefull filtering, could it be that your state table
> has
> > filled.
> 
> I suspect this is in fact the case.  Here's my thinking.
> 
> ipnat runs flawlessly for a time.  Usually this time is at least
> several
> days, often it is several weeks.  Without warning (no log messages or
> errors on the console), it will begin "re-using" old nat entries.
> 
> What I mean by re-using, is that rather then create a new outbound
> connection (ie: begin w/ SYN) when a client session calls for it, it
> sends an ACK message to the destination (as though the session were a
> continuation).  The remote site has no record of a current session,
> and
> sends back RST messages.
> 
> My theory is that ipnat thinks it has run out of table entries, and
> begins re-using slots, but does NOT correctly re-initialize the slot
> before using it.  Here is our configuration:
> 
> # uname -a
> FreeBSD core1.hck.carroll.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Fri
> May
> 19 12:33:18 EDT 2000
> jim@core1.hck.carroll.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ROUTER  i386
> 
> # cat /etc/rc.local
> /usr/sbin/ipnat -CF
> /usr/sbin/ipnat -f /etc/rc.nat
> 
> # cat /etc/rc.nat
> map de0 10.0.0.0/8 -> 0/32 portmap tcp/udp 1025:65000
> 
> --
> Jim C.           |  C A R R O L L - Net, Inc.
> 201-488-1332     |
> www.carroll.com  |  Application Service Provider

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Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> In message <39AB5A46.9FB75350@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
> : Try the following on your system.
> :
> : kent@ruby$ gcc -v
> : Using builtin specs.
> : gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release)
> :
> : I think you will find your default is 2.8.2.
> 
> No.  2.8.2 has never been in a released version of FreeBSD.  3.4
> definitely shipped with 2.7.3.2:

I think this is the 4th hint :). I think I have it memorized now.

On a slightly different subject. The installworld of 4-stable is
broken. I can track cvs-all to 27 August and from 20 August back.
Someone modified perl in that missing time frame and it is killing the
install. The cvs-all-current has this week but last weeks data hasn't
made it to the archive. Where do I look in a case like this?

Kent

> 
> % gcc -v
> gcc version 2.7.2.3
> % uname -a | anonymize
> FreeBSD xxx 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #0: Fri Aug 25 17:46:57 MDT 2000 yyy@xxx:/usr/src/sys/compile/XXX i386
> %
> 
> Warner
> 
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In message <39AC1866.6DA9F5EC@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
: On a slightly different subject. The installworld of 4-stable is
: broken. I can track cvs-all to 27 August and from 20 August back.
: Someone modified perl in that missing time frame and it is killing the
: install. The cvs-all-current has this week but last weeks data hasn't
: made it to the archive. Where do I look in a case like this?

This is a new one on me.  The last installworld I did worked like a
charm.  Do you have the error messages?

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Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> In message <39AC1866.6DA9F5EC@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
> : On a slightly different subject. The installworld of 4-stable is
> : broken. I can track cvs-all to 27 August and from 20 August back.
> : Someone modified perl in that missing time frame and it is killing the
> : install. The cvs-all-current has this week but last weeks data hasn't
> : made it to the archive. Where do I look in a case like this?
> 
> This is a new one on me.  The last installworld I did worked like a
> charm.  Do you have the error messages?

This is from an email by Bruce Albrect

make installworld

and it died with this:

===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
    
cd sdbm && make all
rm -rf libsdbm.a
ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
chmod 755 libsdbm.a
chmod:No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

I didn't capture anything and the following is from a make -k

Writing /usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach/auto/POSIX/.packlist
Appending installation info to
/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503/mach/perllocal.pod
cd sdbm && make all
rm -rf libsdbm.a
ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
chmod 755 libsdbm.a
*** Error code 1 (continuing)
`all' not remade because of errors.
rm -rf libsdbm.a
ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
chmod 755 libsdbm.a
*** Error code 1 (continuing)
`all' not remade because of errors.

Kent
> 
> Warner

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In message <39AC1A43.7FD07745@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
: chmod:No such file or directory
: *** Error code 1

Try the following patch.

Warner
Index: Makefile.inc1
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/src/Makefile.inc1,v
retrieving revision 1.141.2.8
diff -u -r1.141.2.8 Makefile.inc1
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@@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
 #
 installworld:
 	mkdir -p ${INSTALLTMP}
-	for prog in [ awk cat chflags chown date echo egrep find grep \
+	for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep \
 	    install ln make makewhatis miniperl mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl \
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Kent Stewart wrote:
> 

> ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
>     
> cd sdbm && make all
> rm -rf libsdbm.a
> ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> chmod:No such file or directory
> *** Error code 1

Should we have a chmod here in the first place?

It seems to me that a mod of 755 is wrong for archives.

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Warner Losh wrote:
> 
> In message <39AC1A43.7FD07745@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
> : chmod:No such file or directory
> : *** Error code 1
> 
> Try the following patch.
> 
> Warner
> Index: Makefile.inc1
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/src/Makefile.inc1,v
> retrieving revision 1.141.2.8
> diff -u -r1.141.2.8 Makefile.inc1
> --- Makefile.inc1       2000/08/23 19:27:30     1.141.2.8
> +++ Makefile.inc1       2000/08/29 20:28:13
> @@ -310,7 +310,7 @@
>  #
>  installworld:
>         mkdir -p ${INSTALLTMP}
> -       for prog in [ awk cat chflags chown date echo egrep find grep \
> +       for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep \
>             install ln make makewhatis miniperl mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl \
>             test true uname wc zic; do \
>                 cp `which $$prog` ${INSTALLTMP}; \

I went into the directory and sdbm/libsdbma.a was 544, which meant the
chmod didn't work.

I had chmod'ed it before I got your fix and the installworld with your
fix went ok. I'm going to start over and do a clean build and install.
I'll report back in awhile. The buildworlds aren't exactly fast :).

I decided to jusr rm the file first and try the patch. It worked
looking at the redirected output from the installworld. It hasn't
finished yet but it did chmode libsdbm.a properly this time.

Kent

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Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> 
> Kent Stewart wrote:
> >
> 
> > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
> >     
> > cd sdbm && make all
> > rm -rf libsdbm.a
> > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> > chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> > chmod:No such file or directory
> > *** Error code 1
> 
> Should we have a chmod here in the first place?
> 
> It seems to me that a mod of 755 is wrong for archives.

That may be true but, for right now, the Makefile for perl is using
chmod and the lack of its presence is killing the 4-stable
installworld.

Kent

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# For ``simple'' firewall type the divert rule should be put to a
# different place to not interfere with address-checking rules.
# 
case ${firewall_type} in
[Ss][Ii][Mm][Pp][Ll][Ee])
        ;;
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        [Yy][Ee][Ss])
                if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then
                        ${fwcmd} add 50 divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface}
                fi
                ;;
        esac
esac


this will add the natd rule also if you set ${firewall_type} to a filename.
i think thats not good, cause i use natd in the seperate ipfw rule file to.
( and i think so do others ) 

# the divert rule should be put to a
# different place to not interfere with address-checking rules.

( this is not possible without modifying rc.firewall, and the reason i use an external ipfw rule file is that i dont have to touch rc.firewall :)

its not a big deal, but i think it should be changed.

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What does it say if you ``set log +tcp/ip debug command phase'' ?

> Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote upgrade, the system dials
> back in, but no default route is set!
> 
> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Rasputin wrote:
> 
> > As of a cvsup last Friday?
> > 
> > (FreeBSD-4.X-STABLE)
> > 
> > It seems the syntax of the config file has changed? i.e. 'enable dns'
> > isn't recognized as a command in the 'default' section. And the
> > default route is not being added automatically, which breaks
> > autodialling with tun0..
> > 
> > Although it does work if I run it manually, '-auto' seems b0rken....
> > 
> > Just wondered if anybody else had seen this?
> > 
> > Rasputin
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 01:55:00PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> 
> Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> > 
> > Kent Stewart wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
> > >     
> > > cd sdbm && make all
> > > rm -rf libsdbm.a
> > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> > > chmod:No such file or directory
> > > *** Error code 1
> > 
> > Should we have a chmod here in the first place?
> > 
> > It seems to me that a mod of 755 is wrong for archives.
> 
> That may be true but, for right now, the Makefile for perl is using
> chmod and the lack of its presence is killing the 4-stable
> installworld.
> 

	Hmm...  I *was* going to cvsup my 4.0 -> 4.1 tonight.  See
	if I have more mouse-luck with 4.1-STABLE.... 

	After all, the upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 is almost pushbutton.
	This installworld snafu gives me pause.  ---Well, I suppose 
	I can fetch everything and re-cvsup when this is resolved.

	thanks for the head's up,

	gary



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> 
> 	STRICTTMPPATH does not contain cp/
> 
> ===> gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc
> cp -p /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/doc/../../../../contrib/binutils/install.
> sh
> install
> cp:No such file or directory
> *** Error code 1
> 
	A fix for this has been commited.

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 02:28:39PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <39AC1A43.7FD07745@urx.com> Kent Stewart writes:
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> : *** Error code 1
> 
> Try the following patch.

I've been seeing this bug in -current and this patch (hand applied) does
fix it.  The cheap alternative I used last time was just to specify the
-k flag to make which isn't a good answer, but it works.

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Hey folks...

Curious.  Began reutilizing my 'new' laptop at work (ie: >I< got the old
outdated thing because 'bsd requires less resources, right?' sigh. k2300
instead of a p3 700 (i think..oh well.)

Anyway.

Looking at the Errata for 4.1-R, i see that there seems to be a fairly
major issue with boot...to the point that it would solidly deter me from
using -R at /all/...i'd much rather /not/ have to go through the hassle of
fixing a problem, since i am sure it is fixed in stable. (its just as easy
to install stable as it is -R...)

So, Which stable is the the most stable?  I realyl dont wish to /remain/
stable (except for ports, perhaps..) as I dont have the time or drivespace
to deal with remaking worlds.  So which day's release has the least
bugs?:)

And, fyi, I'm still running FreeBSD 4.0-20000706-STABLE on 2 dns servers
without a hitch (dual p3 700s with 1024 megs of ram, 2940 ultra2 scsi..).



which leads me to my next question. My workstation is still 4.0-R, as
outmoded as it is. (My home workstation and the server i run that sees the
most production are both 3.3-R...the server was 3.0-R until only a few
months ago....)

The release is fine, BUT i hate the fact that th eports are outdated so
quickly. (to the point that one often cannot even /install/ the port!!!)

What would be the correct proceedure to remain uptodate (or just to
manually update them occasionally) with the entire ports collection? (or 
perhaps even just a select group of them...no point for me to get the
korean, japanese, etc stuff...)

I think a 'sysinstall' type of program to select what you want to upgrade,
and then ahndle it for you, would b great...or even a port of the
ports. (ie: cd /usr/ports/ports; make install clean) or something.

I dunno.

Suggestions?

thanks...david


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On 29 Aug, David Raistrick wrote:
> What would be the correct proceedure to remain uptodate (or just to
> manually update them occasionally) with the entire ports collection?

I don't know about the most stable STABLE, but the ports question is
pretty easy. Create a supfile (go ahead and base it off
/usr/src/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile) and add a job to
/etc/crontab to cvsup the ports tree periodically. If you don't want to
mess with crontab, you could write a shell script that just executes
'cvsup -g -L 2 file_name' and put it in
/etc/periodic/[daily|weekly|monthly]

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At 08:53 PM 8/29/2000 -0400, David Raistrick wrote:


>So, Which stable is the the most stable?  I realyl dont wish to /remain/
>stable (except for ports, perhaps..) as I dont have the time or drivespace
>to deal with remaking worlds.  So which day's release has the least
>bugs?:)


In theory today's snapshot is more stable that yesterday's snapshot. In 
reality, the practice tends to be fairly close to the theory.  I am not 
trying to be a smart ass, but the aim of STABLE is to be stable.  To 
determine whats best for your situation, you should track the STABLE 
mailing list as well as the CVS commit logs and watch for the odd human 
error that happens and what is being committed.

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Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 01:55:00PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> >
> >
> > Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> > >
> > > Kent Stewart wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl
> > > >     
> > > > cd sdbm && make all
> > > > rm -rf libsdbm.a
> > > > ar cr libsdbm.a sdbm.o  pair.o  hash.o && : libsdbm.a
> > > > chmod 755 libsdbm.a
> > > > chmod:No such file or directory
> > > > *** Error code 1
> > >
> > > Should we have a chmod here in the first place?
> > >
> > > It seems to me that a mod of 755 is wrong for archives.
> >
> > That may be true but, for right now, the Makefile for perl is using
> > chmod and the lack of its presence is killing the 4-stable
> > installworld.
> >
> 
>         Hmm...  I *was* going to cvsup my 4.0 -> 4.1 tonight.  See
>         if I have more mouse-luck with 4.1-STABLE....
> 
>         After all, the upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 is almost pushbutton.
>         This installworld snafu gives me pause.  ---Well, I suppose
>         I can fetch everything and re-cvsup when this is resolved.

I wouldn't worry about it. I have tried it on two machines. You cvsup
stable and then edit /usr/src/Makefile.inc1. You only have to look for
the installworld section (line 313) and add chmod in front of chown.
It works like a charm at that point.
 
Kent

> 
>         thanks for the head's up,
> 
>         gary
> 
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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 07:08:07PM -0700, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> 
> Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> >         Hmm...  I *was* going to cvsup my 4.0 -> 4.1 tonight.  See
> >         if I have more mouse-luck with 4.1-STABLE....
> > 
> >         After all, the upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1 is almost pushbutton.
> >         This installworld snafu gives me pause.  ---Well, I suppose
> >         I can fetch everything and re-cvsup when this is resolved.
> 
> I wouldn't worry about it. I have tried it on two machines. You cvsup
> stable and then edit /usr/src/Makefile.inc1. You only have to look for
> the installworld section (line 313) and add chmod in front of chown.
> It works like a charm at that point.

	
	Gotta agree.  So far I've had good luck with cvsup's as have
	most of up.  The update is feeding across now; I've got the 
	patch but will prob'ly just add in chmod as you suggest.

	After that, it ought to be almost push-button.

	gary

	PS:  If this upgrade fixes my mouse problems, I'll let folks
	     know.  ...

>  
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote:
> 
> Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote upgrade, the system dials
> back in, but no default route is set!

I noticed weird errors when I had 'add default HISADDR		#blah'
in my ppp.conf. Removing some tabs got it working.

Looks like a parsing error. ppp doesn't accept more than one tab after
'add default HISADDR', it seems. Someone file a PR, please :)

Greetz, Peter.
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--- Peter van Dijk  wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy
> Farkas wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote
> upgrade, the system dials
> > back in, but no default route is set!
> 
> I noticed weird errors when I had 'add default
> HISADDR		#blah'
> in my ppp.conf. Removing some tabs got it working.
> 

i don't do this in my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf but rather in
/etc/ppp/ppp.linkup w/c says :
MYADDR:
   delete ALL
   add 0 0 HISADDR


tell me about yours....

regards,
fbsd_stable tracker...

> Looks like a parsing error. ppp doesn't accept more
> than one tab after
> 'add default HISADDR', it seems. Someone file a PR,
> please :)
> 
> Greetz, Peter.
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Just in case anyone cares, as I don't know if it will cause
anyone problems I thought I'd mention this, this is with
4.1-stable on a dual ppro-200 cvsupped 23 August.

steve@moose 169 0 % make

gcc -O3 -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -Wall -Werror \
-I/usr/X11R6/include -ffast-math -mfancy-math-387 -mno-ieee-fp \
-mno-move -fomit-frame-pointer -c main.c -o main.o

main.c: In function `main':
main.c:206: Internal compiler error in `instantiate_virtual_regs_1', at function.c:3865
Please submit a full bug report.
See  for instructions.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/steve/blobs.

I'll send this into the gcc folks as well, seems that -mno-ieee-fp
causes problems alone (cc1 gets sig 11), and adding -mno-move causes
this.

I've mentioned it here as well in case it's only FreeBSD specific.

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rebuilding as i type. thanks for the note!


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On 28 Aug, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> This is likely a hardware issue, but in case it's not...
> 
> My clock keeps getting ahead and won't stay on time... any ideas?

Last night I was configuring a new box. I started out with FreeBSD
4.0-RELEASE (from CD) and cvsupped to 4.1-STABLE. During the cvsup and
the subsequent builds, the clock went nuts several times, spewing kernel
messages about microuptime going negative and meanwhile moving the
system clock forward at about 3:1. Anyway, once I restarted with the
updated world and kernel, the nastiness went away. I don't remember
what's been committed to -STABLE since the 18th, but I do remember
seeing dates of 8/21 and later flash by during the cvsup, so you might
try updating and rebuilding.

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As I recall, Steve Roome wrote:
> Just in case anyone cares, as I don't know if it will cause
> anyone problems I thought I'd mention this, this is with
> 4.1-stable on a dual ppro-200 cvsupped 23 August.
> 
> steve@moose 169 0 % make
> 
> gcc -O3 -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -Wall -Werror \
> -I/usr/X11R6/include -ffast-math -mfancy-math-387 -mno-ieee-fp \
> -mno-move -fomit-frame-pointer -c main.c -o main.o

Have you tried moving down on the optimization?  AFAIK the FreeBSD
gang doesn't support beyond -O2.

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David Raistrick:
>So, Which stable is the the most stable?  I realyl dont wish to /remain/
>stable (except for ports, perhaps..) as I dont have the time or drivespace
>to deal with remaking worlds.  So which day's release has the least
>bugs?:)

The -STABLE of one or two weeks ago, with carefully tracked mailing
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Dear all,=20

I have tried three times following the procedure in the handbook to =
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existing 3.4 machine to 4.x.stable.=20

Here is what I get when I ran "make buildworld"

/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In function `in_lt':
/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140: warning: implicit declaration of =
function `localtime'
/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140: warning: passing arg 2 of =
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/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In function `in_lts':
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*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.

Here is what's in my supfile:

*default host=3Dcvsup2.FreeBSD.org
*default base=3D/usr
*default prefix=3D/usr
*default release=3Dcvs tag=3DRELENG_4
*default delete use-rel-suffix
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I don't know what went wrong and I DO NEED YOUR HELP!=20
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Dear all, 


 


I have tried three times following the =
procedure in=20
the handbook to upgrade my 


existing 3.4 machine to 4.x.stable. =



 


Here is what I get when I ran =
"make=20
buildworld"


 


/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c: In =
function=20
`in_lt':
/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140: warning: implicit=20
declaration of function =
`localtime'
/usr/src/lib/libutil/login_times.c:140:=20
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cast
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`in_lts':
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arg 2 of=20
`in_ltms' makes pointer from integer without a cast
*** Error code=20
1


 


Stop.
*** Error code 1


 


Stop.
*** Error code 1


 


Stop.
*** Error code 1


 


Stop.


 


Here is what's in my=20
supfile:


 


*default =
host=3Dcvsup2.FreeBSD.org
*default=20
base=3D/usr
*default prefix=3D/usr
*default release=3Dcvs=20
tag=3DRELENG_4
*default delete use-rel-suffix


*default compress


 


I don't know what went wrong and I DO =
NEED YOUR=20
HELP! 


Many thanks in advance!


 


Regards,


Meagan





 


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yep, make update && make world helped. Thanks Stephen!


-----Original Message-----
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rebuilding as i type. thanks for the note!


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:09 PM
To: mitayai@bricsnet.com
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Subject: Re: Time is being weird


On 28 Aug, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> This is likely a hardware issue, but in case it's not...
> 
> My clock keeps getting ahead and won't stay on time... any ideas?

Last night I was configuring a new box. I started out with FreeBSD
4.0-RELEASE (from CD) and cvsupped to 4.1-STABLE. During the cvsup and
the subsequent builds, the clock went nuts several times, spewing kernel
messages about microuptime going negative and meanwhile moving the
system clock forward at about 3:1. Anyway, once I restarted with the
updated world and kernel, the nastiness went away. I don't remember
what's been committed to -STABLE since the 18th, but I do remember
seeing dates of 8/21 and later flash by during the cvsup, so you might
try updating and rebuilding.

Steve




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When compiling the webmin port, after the config of the dependancy
Net::SSLeay, i get the message:

Writing Makefile for SSLeay
==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <===
==> Please rerun the make command. <==
false
***Error code 1
etc
etc

I ran a make worlfd later in the day and got the same thing.

What gives?

(FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE, ports & src supp'd yesterday morning)

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I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.

The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it crashed without
any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no response, the
other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were fine! SSH
worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?

Gruss O. Hartmann
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"O. Hartmann" wrote:
> 
> I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
> made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
> on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
> I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.
> 
> The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it crashed without
> any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no response, the
> other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were fine! SSH
> worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?

There is a problem with installworld that I haven't see fixed. Line
312 in /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 is missing a chmod in front of chown.
This drops the installworld when it is doing an install of libsdbm.a.

I haven't seen anything firm besides that.

Kent

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At 10:52 PM 8/30/00 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
>I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
>made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
>on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
>I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.
>
>The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it 
>crashed without
>any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no 
>response, the
>other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were 
>fine! SSH
>worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?

Wow! I am seeing the exact same behaviour. I thought it was just hardware 
going bad or something :-(

         ---Mike

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Mike Tancsa wrote:
> 
> At 10:52 PM 8/30/00 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
> >I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
> >made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
> >on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
> >I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.
> >
> >The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it
> >crashed without
> >any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no
> >response, the
> >other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were
> >fine! SSH
> >worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?
> 
> Wow! I am seeing the exact same behaviour. I thought it was just hardware
> going bad or something :-(

Did you fix Makefile.inc1 and do you use Sendmail. I had what seemed
like a huge number of messages from sendmail. I finally went in
/etc/mail and did a "make all" and then ran "newaliases". That seemed
to get rid of the sendmail messages.

Kent

> 
>          ---Mike
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Mike Tancsa writes:
 > At 10:52 PM 8/30/00 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
 > >I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
 > >made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
 > >on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
 > >I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.
 > >
 > >The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it 
 > >crashed without
 > >any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no 
 > >response, the
 > >other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were 
 > >fine! SSH
 > >worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?
 > 
 > Wow! I am seeing the exact same behaviour. I thought it was just hardware 
 > going bad or something :-(

"me too"    It happened prior to 4amEDT today, which is when my cvsup
script runs.  Can you bracket it better on the other end that 4amEDT
on Aug 28th?

Here's my description of the problem:

A -stable machine with a new kernel will lock solid when setting up
the first incoming network connection.   If I break into the debugger,
the curproc is always the relevant daemon (sshd or telnetd, for example).
The callchain is always some variation on:

db> tr
siointr1(c0e2b000,c8b2ee5c,c02ddae6,c0e2b000,10) at siointr1+0xb1
siointr(c0e2b000,10,c8b2ee70,10,0) at siointr+0xb
Xfastintr4(c7f8d780,0,c8b2eedc,0,0) at Xfastintr4+0x16
soo_write(c0eb7500,c8b2eedc,c0b1a880,0,c8145a40) at soo_write+0x24
dofilewrite(c8145a40,c0eb7500,0,805b080,3) at dofilewrite+0xb1
write(c8145a40,c8b2ef80,3,ffffffff,805bc2c) at write+0x33
syscall2(2f,2f,2f,805bc2c,ffffffff) at syscall2+0x1f1
Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x25
db>

Sometimes I also see as much as the following above soo_write():

db> tr
siointr1(c0e2b000,c8b2edc4,c02ddae6,c0e2b000,c0190010) at siointr1+0xb1
siointr(c0e2b000,c0190010,678490,c7f8d7f4,620000) at siointr+0xb
Xfastintr4(c0b47700,c80b2d80,0,0,0) at Xfastintr4+0x16
sbcompress(c7f8d7f4,c0b47700,0,c8b2ee18,c01ece04) at sbcompress+0x54
sbappend(c7f8d7f4,c0b47700) at sbappend+0x4b
tcp_usr_send(c7f8d780,0,c0b47700,0,0) at tcp_usr_send+0xc0
sosend(c7f8d780,0,c8b2eedc,c0b47700,0) at sosend+0x5df
soo_write(c0eb7500,c8b2eedc,c0b1a880,0,c8145a40) at soo_write+0x24
dofilewrite(c8145a40,c0eb7500,0,805b080,3) at dofilewrite+0xb1
write(c8145a40,c8b2ef80,3,ffffffff,805bc2c) at write+0x33
syscall2(2f,2f,2f,805bc2c,ffffffff) at syscall2+0x1f1
Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x25
db> c

A breakpoint in mi_switch() never triggers, so its probably really
stuck looping somewhere in that callchain.

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 06:36:53PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
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> 
> 
> A breakpoint in mi_switch() never triggers, so its probably really
> stuck looping somewhere in that callchain.

Could you post this information as a followup to PR kern/20945? Thank
you.

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20945

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I don't get lockup but was trying apache benchmark yesterday and first
run or two was ok but later ones get real slow or time out.
THen other network problems appear but fix themselves after some time.
I did note that alot of mbufs allocated to headers which doesn't seem
right(?!)  

netstat -m
3839/3872/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
        2 mbufs allocated to data
        3837 mbufs allocated to packet headers
0/22/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
1012 Kbytes allocated to network (94% in use)
0 requests for memory denied
0 requests for memory delayed
0 calls to protocol drain routines
  

World was last built Aug 28 23:00 GMT (with cvsup probably no more than 5
hrs before that)

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Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> 
> Mike Tancsa writes:
>  > At 10:52 PM 8/30/00 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote:
>  > >I received this afternoon the latest cvsupdate from cvsup.freebsd.org,
>  > >made a buildworld, made an installworld, compiled a new kernel. The kernel
>  > >on one machine booted fine, but then the keyboard stuck. No inputs ... but
>  > >I could change the ttys by ALT-FX key.
>  > >
>  > >The other machine, our main server, worked fine for a while - the it
>  > >crashed without
>  > >any message and rebooted. Nice! I booted again. Tried ssh or telnet - no
>  > >response, the
>  > >other machine was dead. I booted with the old kernel and all things were
>  > >fine! SSH
>  > >worked, telnet worked perfectly. What's up with the Stable release?
>  >
>  > Wow! I am seeing the exact same behaviour. I thought it was just hardware
>  > going bad or something :-(
> 
> "me too"    It happened prior to 4amEDT today, which is when my cvsup
> script runs.  Can you bracket it better on the other end that 4amEDT
> on Aug 28th?

I finished rebuilding my system at 1213 PDT (2013 GMT) on 29 Aug and I
could telnet just fine. The changes that went in last night lock up
tight.

Kent

> 
> Here's my description of the problem:
> 
> A -stable machine with a new kernel will lock solid when setting up
> the first incoming network connection.   If I break into the debugger,
> the curproc is always the relevant daemon (sshd or telnetd, for example).
> The callchain is always some variation on:
> 
> db> tr
> siointr1(c0e2b000,c8b2ee5c,c02ddae6,c0e2b000,10) at siointr1+0xb1
> siointr(c0e2b000,10,c8b2ee70,10,0) at siointr+0xb
> Xfastintr4(c7f8d780,0,c8b2eedc,0,0) at Xfastintr4+0x16
> soo_write(c0eb7500,c8b2eedc,c0b1a880,0,c8145a40) at soo_write+0x24
> dofilewrite(c8145a40,c0eb7500,0,805b080,3) at dofilewrite+0xb1
> write(c8145a40,c8b2ef80,3,ffffffff,805bc2c) at write+0x33
> syscall2(2f,2f,2f,805bc2c,ffffffff) at syscall2+0x1f1
> Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x25
> db>
> 
> Sometimes I also see as much as the following above soo_write():
> 
> db> tr
> siointr1(c0e2b000,c8b2edc4,c02ddae6,c0e2b000,c0190010) at siointr1+0xb1
> siointr(c0e2b000,c0190010,678490,c7f8d7f4,620000) at siointr+0xb
> Xfastintr4(c0b47700,c80b2d80,0,0,0) at Xfastintr4+0x16
> sbcompress(c7f8d7f4,c0b47700,0,c8b2ee18,c01ece04) at sbcompress+0x54
> sbappend(c7f8d7f4,c0b47700) at sbappend+0x4b
> tcp_usr_send(c7f8d780,0,c0b47700,0,0) at tcp_usr_send+0xc0
> sosend(c7f8d780,0,c8b2eedc,c0b47700,0) at sosend+0x5df
> soo_write(c0eb7500,c8b2eedc,c0b1a880,0,c8145a40) at soo_write+0x24
> dofilewrite(c8145a40,c0eb7500,0,805b080,3) at dofilewrite+0xb1
> write(c8145a40,c8b2ef80,3,ffffffff,805bc2c) at write+0x33
> syscall2(2f,2f,2f,805bc2c,ffffffff) at syscall2+0x1f1
> Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x25
> db> c
> 
> A breakpoint in mi_switch() never triggers, so its probably really
> stuck looping somewhere in that callchain.
> 
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Peter van Dijk wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 06:36:53PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> >
> > A breakpoint in mi_switch() never triggers, so its probably really
> > stuck looping somewhere in that callchain.
> 
> Could you post this information as a followup to PR kern/20945? Thank
> you.
> 
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20945

The cvsup.log of the changes that broke stable are
http://dsl1-160.dynacom.net/cvsup.log

Kent

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As commented on freebsd-current, this seems to have hit the -CURRENT
kernel at the same time.  Someone should *not* have MFC'd some change
immediately.  Not clear who yet.  I'm suspicious of the sbappend() changes
that have been going in recently.

I hope everyone on -committers who touches -STABLE reads the -stable
mailing list.  :-)

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    Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to 
    single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
    with the list.

    I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the 
    past 24 hours.

    gary


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At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:


>     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
>     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
>     with the list.
>
>     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
>     past 24 hours.


Its hosed right now.  I am surprised no one has either backed out the 
recent commits that went into current and stable at the same time which 
tends only to happen for serious bug/security fixes.

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According to Mike Tancsa:
> 
> At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> 
> >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> >     with the list.
> >
> >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> >     past 24 hours.
> 
> 
> Its hosed right now.  I am surprised no one has either backed out the 
> recent commits that went into current and stable at the same time which 
> tends only to happen for serious bug/security fixes.
> 

	*Urk*:)   Good grief, see what happens when I go away for 
	a few hours?  Okay, thanks for the latest.

	gary

> 
> 


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On Aug 30 Gary Kline wrote:

> According to Mike Tancsa:
> > 
> > At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> > >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> > >     with the list.
> > >
> > >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> > >     past 24 hours.
> > 
> > 
> > Its hosed right now.

Works here.
CVSup update begins at 2000/08/30 20:25:34
CVSup update ends at 2000/08/30 20:36:23

--------------------------------------------------------------
>>> elf make world started on Wed Aug 30 20:38:09 EDT 2000
>>> elf make world completed on Wed Aug 30 22:55:46 EDT 2000
--------------------------------------------------------------

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jack wrote:
> 
> On Aug 30 Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > According to Mike Tancsa:
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> > > >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> > > >     with the list.
> > > >
> > > >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> > > >     past 24 hours.
> > >
> > >
> > > Its hosed right now.
> 
> Works here.
> CVSup update begins at 2000/08/30 20:25:34
> CVSup update ends at 2000/08/30 20:36:23
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> elf make world started on Wed Aug 30 20:38:09 EDT 2000
> >>> elf make world completed on Wed Aug 30 22:55:46 EDT 2000
> --------------------------------------------------------------

If you make a kernel and boot to it and then telnet to that system,
your system will hang. Pushing the reset button is how you recover.

Kent

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At 12:33 AM 8/31/2000 -0400, jack wrote:
>On Aug 30 Gary Kline wrote:
>
> > According to Mike Tancsa:
> > >
> > > At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> > > >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> > > >     with the list.
> > > >
> > > >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> > > >     past 24 hours.
> > >
> > >
> > > Its hosed right now.
>
>Works here.
>CVSup update begins at 2000/08/30 20:25:34
>CVSup update ends at 2000/08/30 20:36:23


Yes, it builds and installs just fine... The problem is once you build a 
new kernel, install and reboot, things are not fine.

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	The fact that it compiles does not indicate that it works.

	There are reports that the system is locking up.  There is
	no all clear on that at present.

	It's going to be interesting to see how many people end up
	without a working kernel at all now that installkernel has
	changed.  Don't forget to replace kernel with kernel.old.

	Mark

> On Aug 30 Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > According to Mike Tancsa:
> > > 
> > > At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> > > >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> > > >     with the list.
> > > >
> > > >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> > > >     past 24 hours.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Its hosed right now.
> 
> Works here.
> CVSup update begins at 2000/08/30 20:25:34
> CVSup update ends at 2000/08/30 20:36:23
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> elf make world started on Wed Aug 30 20:38:09 EDT 2000
> >>> elf make world completed on Wed Aug 30 22:55:46 EDT 2000
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:48:35AM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote upgrade, the system dials
> > back in, but no default route is set!
> 
> I noticed weird errors when I had 'add default HISADDR		#blah'
> in my ppp.conf. Removing some tabs got it working.
> 
> Looks like a parsing error. ppp doesn't accept more than one tab after
> 'add default HISADDR', it seems. Someone file a PR, please :)

Nowhere that I can find is it documented that comments can be put on
lines with a command. From ppp(8),

     o   A line starting with a (``#'') character is treated as a comment
         line.  Leading whitespace are ignored when identifying comment lines.

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	cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org
Subject: Re: 4.1 STABLE broken since today!
From: Tor.Egge@fast.no
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> 
> As commented on freebsd-current, this seems to have hit the -CURRENT
> kernel at the same time.  Someone should *not* have MFC'd some change
> immediately.  Not clear who yet.  I'm suspicious of the sbappend() changes
> that have been going in recently.


1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
    (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
    This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.

2.  chgsbsize was not called as when the 3-way tcp handshake
    for incoming connection completed (in interrupt context).
    This results in sb_lowat being 0, causing infinite loop in
    kernel when attempting to write.

    sb_lowat should probably be set to 1 when sb_hiwat is 0

The following patch works for me.

Index: sys/kern/kern_proc.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c,v
retrieving revision 1.72
diff -u -r1.72 kern_proc.c
--- sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/30 04:49:07	1.72
+++ sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/31 03:56:30
@@ -210,7 +211,7 @@
 	if (uip == NULL)
 		uip = uicreate(uid);
 	s = splnet();
-	diff = to - *hiwat;
+	diff = (rlim_t) to - (rlim_t) *hiwat;
 	/* don't allow them to exceed max, but allow subtraction */
 	if (diff > 0 && uip->ui_sbsize + diff > max) {
 		(void)uifree(uip);
Index: sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c,v
retrieving revision 1.63
diff -u -r1.63 uipc_socket2.c
--- sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c	2000/08/30 00:09:57	1.63
+++ sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c	2000/08/31 03:54:33
@@ -431,6 +431,14 @@
 		p->p_rlimit[RLIMIT_SBSIZE].rlim_cur)) {
 		return (0);
 	}
+	/* XXX: Incoming tcp setup handshake completes in software interrupt.
+	 *      Normally the hash table has an uidinfo structure for the
+	 *      relevant uid (unless setuid() was called after listen()).
+	 */
+	if (p == NULL && !chgsbsize(so->so_cred->cr_uid, &sb->sb_hiwat, cc,
+				    RLIM_INFINITY)) {
+	  return 0;
+	}
 	sb->sb_mbmax = min(cc * sb_efficiency, sb_max);
 	if (sb->sb_lowat > sb->sb_hiwat)
 		sb->sb_lowat = sb->sb_hiwat;


- Tor Egge


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From: Makoto MATSUSHITA 
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Subject: Re: stable status.... still hosed
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kstewart> If you make a kernel and boot to it and then telnet to that system,
kstewart> your system will hang. Pushing the reset button is how you recover.

I've tried booting 4-stable GENERIC kernels, and found that:

	OK: CVSup from cvsup.jp.freebsd.org at Aug/30/2000 00:00 JST
	NG: CVSup from cvsup.jp.freebsd.org at Aug/31/2000 00:00 JST

Checking procedure is simple: load kernel, boot, then telnet from outside.

***

Between the time, following code is changed (src/sys only).

  (MFC: uidinfo race fixes)
  1.134.2.2 +2 -2      src/sys/kern/init_main.c
  1.92.2.2  +2 -2      src/sys/kern/kern_exit.c
  1.72.2.3  +4 -5      src/sys/kern/kern_fork.c
  1.63.2.3  +92 -54    src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c
  1.53.2.2  +7 -7      src/sys/kern/kern_prot.c
  1.68.2.5  +3 -3      src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c
  1.55.2.4  +5 -6      src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c
  1.54.2.2  +6 -3      src/sys/kern/uipc_usrreq.c
  1.13.2.1  +2 -2      src/sys/svr4/svr4_misc.c
  1.99.2.3  +3 -3      src/sys/sys/proc.h

  (MFC: chgsbsize() API change)
  1.63.2.4  +13 -5     src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c
  1.55.2.5  +4 -6      src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c
  1.68.2.6  +3 -3      src/sys/kern/uipc_socket.c

  (MFC: chgsbsize API change)
  1.54.2.3  +9 -8      src/sys/kern/uipc_usrreq.c
  1.99.2.4  +2 -2      src/sys/sys/proc.h

  (MFC: IN_MULTICAST has different endian on *BSD)
  1.1.2.2   +3 -3      src/sys/net/if_stf.c
  1.5.2.2   +3 -3      src/sys/netinet/in_gif.c

  (Fix typo in previous commit)
  1.63.2.5  +2 -2      src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c

  (MFC: Patches to support the 3Com 556 and 556B MiniPCI)
  1.72.2.4  +78 -11    src/sys/pci/if_xl.c
  1.25.2.1  +14 -1     src/sys/pci/if_xlreg.h

I don't use stf/gif pseudo interface nor 3Com ethernet, so maybe there
is a problem in uidinfo and/or chgsbsize() change.

-- -
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Er -- eep? I CVSup'd yesterday, and built everything, installed it, and
have been running fine since. Were the bugs/broken-stuff introduced
today?

--S

"Mark.Andrews@nominum.com" wrote:

>  Subject: Re: stable status.... still hosed
>  Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:53:39 +1100
>  From: Mark.Andrews@nominum.com
>  To: jack 
>  Cc: Gary Kline , Mike Tancsa ,
>   freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
>  
>  
>  
>  	The fact that it compiles does not indicate that it works.
>  
>  	There are reports that the system is locking up.  There is
>  	no all clear on that at present.
>  
>  	It's going to be interesting to see how many people end up
>  	without a working kernel at all now that installkernel has
>  	changed.  Don't forget to replace kernel with kernel.old.
>  
>  	Mark
>  
>  > On Aug 30 Gary Kline wrote:
>  > 
>  > > According to Mike Tancsa:
>  > > > 
>  > > > At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot
to
>  > > > >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd
check
>  > > > >     with the list.
>  > > > >
>  > > > >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in
the
>  > > > >     past 24 hours.
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > Its hosed right now.
>  > 
>  > Works here.
>  > CVSup update begins at 2000/08/30 20:25:34
>  > CVSup update ends at 2000/08/30 20:36:23
>  > 
>  > --------------------------------------------------------------
>  > >>> elf make world started on Wed Aug 30 20:38:09 EDT 2000
>  > >>> elf make world completed on Wed Aug 30 22:55:46 EDT 2000
>  > --------------------------------------------------------------
>  > 
>  >
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> At 08:22 PM 8/30/2000 -0700, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> 
> >     Does anybody know the latest on STABLE?   Before I reboot to
> >     single and do an installworld and reboot I thought I'd check
> >     with the list.
> >
> >     I just re-cvsup'd all and there were several new files in the
> >     past 24 hours.
> 
> 
> Its hosed right now.  I am surprised no one has either backed out the 
> recent commits that went into current and stable at the same time which 
> tends only to happen for serious bug/security fixes.
> 

Well I suppose it had to happen sometime. This is my first kernel lockout since
FreeBSD 0.9!


Chris




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Tor.Egge@fast.no wrote:
> 
> >
> > As commented on freebsd-current, this seems to have hit the -CURRENT
> > kernel at the same time.  Someone should *not* have MFC'd some change
> > immediately.  Not clear who yet.  I'm suspicious of the sbappend() changes
> > that have been going in recently.
> 
> 1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
>     (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
>     This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.
> 
> 2.  chgsbsize was not called as when the 3-way tcp handshake
>     for incoming connection completed (in interrupt context).
>     This results in sb_lowat being 0, causing infinite loop in
>     kernel when attempting to write.
> 
>     sb_lowat should probably be set to 1 when sb_hiwat is 0
> 
> The following patch works for me.

I added these changes to my system and they work for me too.

Kent

> 
> Index: sys/kern/kern_proc.c
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.72
> diff -u -r1.72 kern_proc.c
> --- sys/kern/kern_proc.c        2000/08/30 04:49:07     1.72
> +++ sys/kern/kern_proc.c        2000/08/31 03:56:30
> @@ -210,7 +211,7 @@
>         if (uip == NULL)
>                 uip = uicreate(uid);
>         s = splnet();
> -       diff = to - *hiwat;
> +       diff = (rlim_t) to - (rlim_t) *hiwat;
>         /* don't allow them to exceed max, but allow subtraction */
>         if (diff > 0 && uip->ui_sbsize + diff > max) {
>                 (void)uifree(uip);
> Index: sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c,v
> retrieving revision 1.63
> diff -u -r1.63 uipc_socket2.c
> --- sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c     2000/08/30 00:09:57     1.63
> +++ sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c     2000/08/31 03:54:33
> @@ -431,6 +431,14 @@
>                 p->p_rlimit[RLIMIT_SBSIZE].rlim_cur)) {
>                 return (0);
>         }
> +       /* XXX: Incoming tcp setup handshake completes in software interrupt.
> +        *      Normally the hash table has an uidinfo structure for the
> +        *      relevant uid (unless setuid() was called after listen()).
> +        */
> +       if (p == NULL && !chgsbsize(so->so_cred->cr_uid, &sb->sb_hiwat, cc,
> +                                   RLIM_INFINITY)) {
> +         return 0;
> +       }
>         sb->sb_mbmax = min(cc * sb_efficiency, sb_max);
>         if (sb->sb_lowat > sb->sb_hiwat)
>                 sb->sb_lowat = sb->sb_hiwat;
> 
> - Tor Egge
> 
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:13:26 +0900
Makoto MATSUSHITA  wrote:


> Checking procedure is simple: load kernel, boot, then telnet from outside.

	ssh from outside will do it too (as I discovered this morning).


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Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:13:26 +0900
> Makoto MATSUSHITA  wrote:
> 
> > Checking procedure is simple: load kernel, boot, then telnet from outside.
> 
>         ssh from outside will do it too (as I discovered this morning).

I tried Egge's patches and rebuilt my kernel. My system appears to be
running fine after rebooting.

Kent

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On Thu 2000-08-31 (15:53), Mark.Andrews@nominum.com wrote:
> 
> 	The fact that it compiles does not indicate that it works.
> 
> 	There are reports that the system is locking up.  There is
> 	no all clear on that at present.
> 
> 	It's going to be interesting to see how many people end up
> 	without a working kernel at all now that installkernel has
> 	changed.  Don't forget to replace kernel with kernel.old.

Has changed how?  It still creates ".old" backups, at least on my
system.

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:53:28PM -0700, Crist J . Clark wrote:
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> 
> Nowhere that I can find is it documented that comments can be put on
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> 
>      o   A line starting with a (``#'') character is treated as a comment
>          line.  Leading whitespace are ignored when identifying comment lines.

Hmm. The ppp.conf that mergemaster came up with had comments on those
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> On Thu 2000-08-31 (15:53), Mark.Andrews@nominum.com wrote:
> > 
> > 	The fact that it compiles does not indicate that it works.
> > 
> > 	There are reports that the system is locking up.  There is
> > 	no all clear on that at present.
> > 
> > 	It's going to be interesting to see how many people end up
> > 	without a working kernel at all now that installkernel has
> > 	changed.  Don't forget to replace kernel with kernel.old.
> 
> Has changed how?  It still creates ".old" backups, at least on my
> system.

	There used to be a manual steps, leaving out the chflags steps.

		cp /kernel /kernel.old
		cp /GENERIC /kernel
	
	A sensible person will leave out the first step if the old kernel
	is hosed.

	Now it is too easy to do:

		/kernel (good)
		buildkernel + installkernel
		/kernel (bad) /kernel.old (good)
		buildkernel + installkernel
		/kernel (bad) /kernel.old (bad)

	as the install moves /kernel to /kernel.old.

	Mark
> 
> Neil
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> Sunesi Clinical Systems
> nbm@mithrandr.moria.org
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On Thu 2000-08-31 (23:31), Mark.Andrews@nominum.com wrote:
> 	There used to be a manual steps, leaving out the chflags steps.
> 
> 		cp /kernel /kernel.old
> 		cp /GENERIC /kernel
> 	
> 	A sensible person will leave out the first step if the old kernel
> 	is hosed.
> 
> 	Now it is too easy to do:
> 
> 		/kernel (good)
> 		buildkernel + installkernel
> 		/kernel (bad) /kernel.old (good)
> 		buildkernel + installkernel
> 		/kernel (bad) /kernel.old (bad)
> 
> 	as the install moves /kernel to /kernel.old.

This is equivalent to the real old way:

(start with good /kernel)

cd /usr/src/sys/compile/FOO
make depend
make
make install

(/kernel is bad, /kernel.old is good)

cd /usr/src/sys/compile/FOO
make depend
make
make install

(/kernel is bad, /kernel.old is bad)

The "old" way you refer to was very shortlived.  If you want to recreate
that experience, use 'makeoptions KERNEL=GENERIC' in your kernel files
(after I commit the change that fixes it).

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On Aug 31,  6:11am, Tor.Egge@fast.no wrote:
} Subject: Re: 4.1 STABLE broken since today!
} > 
} > As commented on freebsd-current, this seems to have hit the -CURRENT
} > kernel at the same time.  Someone should *not* have MFC'd some change
} > immediately.  Not clear who yet.  I'm suspicious of the sbappend() changes
} > that have been going in recently.
} 
} 
} 1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
}     (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
}     This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.

[ snip ]

} The following patch works for me.
} 
} Index: sys/kern/kern_proc.c
} ===================================================================
} RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c,v
} retrieving revision 1.72
} diff -u -r1.72 kern_proc.c
} --- sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/30 04:49:07	1.72
} +++ sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/31 03:56:30
} @@ -210,7 +211,7 @@
}  	if (uip == NULL)
}  		uip = uicreate(uid);
}  	s = splnet();
} -	diff = to - *hiwat;
} +	diff = (rlim_t) to - (rlim_t) *hiwat;
}  	/* don't allow them to exceed max, but allow subtraction */
}  	if (diff > 0 && uip->ui_sbsize + diff > max) {
}  		(void)uifree(uip);

This depends on rlim_t being a signed type (which is happens to be).
Also, if "to" is the same width as rlim_t, then this code could break
if the difference was greater than the maximum positive value of rlim_t
(not likely in this particular case).  Changing the test from
	diff > 0
to
	to > *hiwat
is much safer.

I prefer the following patch to kern_proc.c, which also pulls uifree()
out of splnet(), and eliminates some duplicate code.  I'm not yet running
4-stable, so I can't test this patch other than to see if it compiles
without error.

--- kern_proc.c-	Wed Aug 30 05:29:52 2000
+++ kern_proc.c	Thu Aug 31 05:57:11 2000
@@ -201,7 +201,8 @@
 	rlim_t	max;
 {
 	struct uidinfo *uip;
-	rlim_t diff;
+	rlim_t new;
+	int ok = 0;
 	int s;
 
 	uip = uifind(uid);
@@ -210,18 +211,16 @@
 	if (uip == NULL)
 		uip = uicreate(uid);
 	s = splnet();
-	diff = to - *hiwat;
+	new = uip->ui_sbsize + to - *hiwat;
 	/* don't allow them to exceed max, but allow subtraction */
-	if (diff > 0 && uip->ui_sbsize + diff > max) {
-		(void)uifree(uip);
-		splx(s);
-		return (0);
+	if (to <= *hiwat || new <= max) {
+		uip->ui_sbsize = new;
+		*hiwat = to;
+		ok = 1;
 	}
-	uip->ui_sbsize += diff;
-	*hiwat = to;
-	(void)uifree(uip);
 	splx(s);
-	return (1);
+	(void)uifree(uip);
+	return (ok);
 }
 
 /*


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Has this recent kernel problem been fixed? I have some
servers in suspended animation right now and woul
love to repair them.

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At 06:23 AM 8/31/00 -0700, Holtor wrote:
>Has this recent kernel problem been fixed? I have some
>servers in suspended animation right now and woul
>love to repair them.

It seems the commit from this morning fix it for me. So far so good...

===================================================================
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c,v
retrieving revision 1.55.2.5
retrieving revision 1.55.2.6
diff -c -p -r1.55.2.5 -r1.55.2.6
*** src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c 2000/08/30 00:20:47     1.55.2.5
--- src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c 2000/08/31 11:32:42     1.55.2.6
***************
*** 31,37 ****
    * SUCH DAMAGE.
    *
    *    @(#)uipc_socket2.c      8.1 (Berkeley) 6/10/93
!  * $FreeBSD: src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c,v 1.55.2.5 2000/08/30 00:20:47 
green Exp $
    */

   #include "opt_param.h"
--- 31,37 ----
    * SUCH DAMAGE.
    *
    *    @(#)uipc_socket2.c      8.1 (Berkeley) 6/10/93
!  * $FreeBSD: src/sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c,v 1.55.2.6 2000/08/31 11:32:42 
green Exp $
    */

   #include "opt_param.h"
*************** sbreserve(sb, cc, so, p)
*** 427,434 ****
          */
         if ((u_quad_t)cc > (u_quad_t)sb_max * MCLBYTES / (MSIZE + MCLBYTES))
                 return (0);
!       if (p && !chgsbsize(so->so_cred->cr_uid, &sb->sb_hiwat, cc,
!               p->p_rlimit[RLIMIT_SBSIZE].rlim_cur)) {
                 return (0);
         }
         sb->sb_mbmax = min(cc * sb_efficiency, sb_max);
--- 427,434 ----
          */
         if ((u_quad_t)cc > (u_quad_t)sb_max * MCLBYTES / (MSIZE + MCLBYTES))
                 return (0);
!       if (!chgsbsize(so->so_cred->cr_uid, &sb->sb_hiwat, cc,
!           p ? p->p_rlimit[RLIMIT_SBSIZE].rlim_cur : RLIM_INFINITY)) {
                 return (0);
         }
         sb->sb_mbmax = min(cc * sb_efficiency
------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hello,
I know that this is kind of annoying question, but I just have to ask it, since
I was just told that I've to make an urgent installation of a file server
tomorrow, and since it's going to be an important machine I wanted to ask couple
of questions, please help me if you know something about it, it's very urgent, 
and I don't have enough time to investigate.. :(
The hardware is Intel ISP2150 
http://www.intel.com/network/tech_specs/isp2150.htm
It's going to have two harddisk, and I want to use vinum's raid-1 on it and the 
clients will use it via NFS.
I'm planning of installing FreeBSD 4.1-R, so here are the questions:
1) Is there hardware is supported under FreeBSD (seems to me that it is)
2) Is there some known issues with the described modules in FreeBSD 4.1-R
i.e. vinum and nfs?
3) Should I upgrade it to -STABLE (I prefer not to), I was following this 
mailing list, and I think that I haven't seen anything related.
Thank you in advance,

P.S. could one suggest some filesystem torture tests? 
P.P.S. Yes, I think it belongs to freebsd-stable and not freebsd-questions

--Roman Shterenzon, UNIX System Administrator and Consultant
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From owner-freebsd-stable  Thu Aug 31  7:12:33 2000
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Hello,
There's this variable that some ports rely on: XFREE86_VERSION
For example the Mesa port.
So, because I've installed the XFree86-4 from ports (it supports my 
graphics card) I set it in the /etc/make.conf as:
XFREE86_VERSION=4
But, after trying to install some X dependent port, I got an
error stating that /etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist cannot be found,
and that I shall check the /usr/src/etc for it. It wasn't there either.
So, for now I copied the /etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist to /etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist
but I don't think that it's a good idea. On the other hand, having
it undefined will cause two libGL.so to exist on the system, which
is bad either.
Any ideas?
BTW, MAKE_IDEA variable for /etc/make.conf is not documented and
#PERL_THREADED=true should be defined as #PERL_THREADED=yes in
/etc/defaults/make.conf , I'll submit a bug report for these two.

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Subject: Re: pkg_check
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 01:05:20 +0300
From: Roman Shterenzon 
Cc: Kris Kennaway , 
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I think that I might just do that, I'll read the original code, and try
to modify it in that way that it stays consistent.
The thing is, that pkg_info is C program, and my script is Perl.
Anyhow, I'll try to implement it.

Nice to hear from you :)

Quoting "Crist J . Clark" :

> On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 02:23:55PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Roman Shterenzon wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > I didn't find the functionality to check package integrity in the
> standard
> > > freebsd pkg_* utilities. (Perhaps I'm missing something?)
> > > So, I wrote this small perl script which does it for me.
> > > With this tool, one may use tripwire only on /var/db/pkg and skip
> > > /usr/local.
> > > What do you think about it?
> > 
> > Check out
> > 
> > /usr/ports/Tools/scripts/consistency-check
> > 
> > Does yours do anything different/better than this one? Perhaps you and
> the
> > author of that script (nbm@freebsd.org) could collaborate.
> 
> How about writing a modification to pkg_info(1) that does a check as
> an option? 
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.com
> 



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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 05:13:35AM -0700, fbsd stable wrote:
> 
> --- Peter van Dijk  wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy
> > Farkas wrote:
> > 
> > I noticed weird errors when I had 'add default
> > HISADDR		#blah'
> > in my ppp.conf. Removing some tabs got it working.
> > 
> 
> i don't do this in my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf but rather in
> /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup w/c says :
> MYADDR:
>    delete ALL
>    add 0 0 HISADDR
> 
> 
> tell me about yours....

ppp.linkup is fine. The problem is with the default entry in ppp.conf
(also 'enable dns' - these both work fine in interactive mode;
if ppp has become picky that would certainly explain it.)

I'm no expert, but I think that ppp.linkup is only run when 
you connect
(the lines in question clear the old default route and set the new one)

That's probably why it breaks autodialling;without ithe initial default
route being added (to the dummy remote IP in tun0), no packets are
sent to the interface, os the modem never dials out.

Anyway, I've sorted it now, but maybe we should let someone know.
There's nothing scarier than realising a cvsup has b0rken your
network connection, thus disabling your only way to fix the problem..

Is there a URL that explains how to file PRs? 

Rasputin
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 10:53:28PM -0700, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 11:48:35AM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote:
> > Looks like a parsing error. ppp doesn't accept more than one tab after
> > 'add default HISADDR', it seems. Someone file a PR, please :)
> 
> Nowhere that I can find is it documented that comments can be put on
> lines with a command. From ppp(8),
> 
>      o   A line starting with a (``#'') character is treated as a comment
>          line.  Leading whitespace are ignored when identifying comment lines.
> 
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.com

Fair enough, but those comments are in the default ppp.conf file.

(As of 4.0-RELEASE, at least; are these updated as part of make world?)
Perhaps just a mention that the syntax has become tighter in UPDATING
would do it?

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On 30 Aug, Roman Shterenzon wrote:
> Hello,
> I know that this is kind of annoying question, but I just have to ask it, since
> I was just told that I've to make an urgent installation of a file server
> tomorrow, and since it's going to be an important machine I wanted to ask couple
> of questions, please help me if you know something about it, it's very urgent, 
> and I don't have enough time to investigate.. :(
> The hardware is Intel ISP2150 
> http://www.intel.com/network/tech_specs/isp2150.htm
> It's going to have two harddisk, and I want to use vinum's raid-1 on it and the 
> clients will use it via NFS.
> I'm planning of installing FreeBSD 4.1-R, so here are the questions:
> 1) Is there hardware is supported under FreeBSD (seems to me that it is)

Yes. You will just have to use NBUS=5 in kernel SMP configuration since
the 2150 uses an active riser card.

Also use ECC RAM.

> 2) Is there some known issues with the described modules in FreeBSD 4.1-R
> i.e. vinum and nfs?

Not known to me. Someone ?

> 3) Should I upgrade it to -STABLE (I prefer not to), I was following this 
> mailing list, and I think that I haven't seen anything related.

No.

RN.
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:07:12AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> > Checking procedure is simple: load kernel, boot, then telnet from outside.
> 	ssh from outside will do it too (as I discovered this morning).

ANy network connection will do - even samba!

Greetz,


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It took a bit of work but I now have FreeBSD-STABLE 20000828 installed
on this box with XFree86 4.0.1 using the i810e AGP graphics.

Seems a lot nippier than Linux 2.4-test4 on the same box! (actually,
I've installed FreeBSD over it :> )

Should I write up what hoops I had to jump through to get it all
working?


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Hi

  Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the sources
from the existing 4.1 Stable?

I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of sources


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Arnout Boer  writes:

> On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:07:12AM +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> > > Checking procedure is simple: load kernel, boot, then telnet from outside.
> > 	ssh from outside will do it too (as I discovered this morning).
> 
> ANy network connection will do - even samba!

make sure you cvsup sys/kern/uipc_socket2.c version 1.55.2.6 commited
this morning, and everything works fine again -- even Samba.

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
> Hi
> 
>   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
> sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
> 
> I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
> sources

You want RELENG_3.

- jim

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* Jim Mock  [000831 10:17] wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> >   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
> > sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
> > 
> > I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
> > sources
> 
> You want RELENG_3.

not really, if he wants 3.4-release he wants RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE
if he wants 3-stable then RELENG_3 is correct

-Alfred


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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 11:00:31 -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> * Jim Mock  [000831 10:17] wrote:
> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > >   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
> > > sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
> > > 
> > > I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
> > > sources
> > 
> > You want RELENG_3.
> 
> not really, if he wants 3.4-release he wants RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE
> if he wants 3-stable then RELENG_3 is correct

He asked for stable :-)  Read the original message again.

- jim

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* Jim Mock  [000831 11:08] wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 11:00:31 -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > * Jim Mock  [000831 10:17] wrote:
> > > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > > 
> > > >   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
> > > > sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
> > > > 
> > > > I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
> > > > sources
> > > 
> > > You want RELENG_3.
> > 
> > not really, if he wants 3.4-release he wants RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE
> > if he wants 3-stable then RELENG_3 is correct
> 
> He asked for stable :-)  Read the original message again.

Read my response again.  :)

It was just a clarification, i shouldn't have said "not really"
though. :)

-Alfred


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As I recall, Jim Mock wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 11:00:31 -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>> * Jim Mock  [000831 10:17] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>>   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
>>>> sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
>>>> 
>>>> I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
>>>> sources
>>> 
>>> You want RELENG_3.
>> 
>> not really, if he wants 3.4-release he wants RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE
>> if he wants 3-stable then RELENG_3 is correct
> 
> He asked for stable :-)  Read the original message again.

Actually, he asked for "3.4 stable", a non-entity.  So the question
becomes did he have a reason for asking for 3.4, or would 3-STABLE
(pretty much 3.5.1) be what he thought he was asking for.

Alfred was pretty much on, but probably not understandable to Theo.

	-crl
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On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 01:23:11AM +0300, Roman Shterenzon wrote:
> Hello,
> There's this variable that some ports rely on: XFREE86_VERSION
> For example the Mesa port.
> So, because I've installed the XFree86-4 from ports (it supports my 
> graphics card) I set it in the /etc/make.conf as:
> XFREE86_VERSION=4
> But, after trying to install some X dependent port, I got an
> error stating that /etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist cannot be found,
> and that I shall check the /usr/src/etc for it. It wasn't there either.
> So, for now I copied the /etc/mtree/BSD.x11.dist to /etc/mtree/BSD.x11-4.dist
> but I don't think that it's a good idea. On the other hand, having
> it undefined will cause two libGL.so to exist on the system, which
> is bad either.
> Any ideas?

I remember the make for X-4 itself told me where to fetch the
BSD.x11-4.dist file from, but I don't remember where that was.
It wasn't on my system: I think I had to fetch it from
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 8/31/00, 10:21:22 PM, "Chad R. Larson"  wrote=20
regarding Re: downgrading to 3.4:


> As I recall, Jim Mock wrote:
> > On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 11:00:31 -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> >> * Jim Mock  [000831 10:17] wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 at 18:06:40 +0100, Theo PAGTZIS wrote:
> >>>> Hi
> >>>>
> >>>>   Would there be a problem to downgrade to 3.4 stable from the
> >>>> sources from the existing 4.1 Stable?
> >>>>
> >>>> I try to cvsup with RELENG_3_4 but I do not see any receipt of
> >>>> sources
> >>>
> >>> You want RELENG_3.
> >>
> >> not really, if he wants 3.4-release he wants RELENG_3_4_0_RELEASE
> >> if he wants 3-stable then RELENG_3 is correct
> >
> > He asked for stable :-)  Read the original message again.

> Actually, he asked for "3.4 stable", a non-entity.  So the question
> becomes did he have a reason for asking for 3.4, or would 3-STABLE
> (pretty much 3.5.1) be what he thought he was asking for.

> Alfred was pretty much on, but probably not understandable to Theo.

>       -crl



Dear Chad Larson,



In order for the source-upgrade operation to make use of the existing=20
checkouts file, the following might/should (?) apply:

1) mv [...]/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_4 [...]/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_3

2) the new cvsup file will contain the line:
   src-all tag=3DRELENG_3



With apologies ... for the dumb remark.=20

Best regards,
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   The news that was posted this morning was correct. 4.1 is back.
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 Tor.Egge@fast.no wrote:

> 1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
>     (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
>     This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.
> 
> 2.  chgsbsize was not called as when the 3-way tcp handshake
>     for incoming connection completed (in interrupt context).
>     This results in sb_lowat being 0, causing infinite loop in
>     kernel when attempting to write.
> 
>     sb_lowat should probably be set to 1 when sb_hiwat is 0

Sorry.  Thanks for finding the problems.  From now on I'm going to
test all major bugfixes for a lot longer to make certain there aren't
problems that are easy to miss (triggering).

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Don Lewis wrote:

> On Aug 31,  6:11am, Tor.Egge@fast.no wrote:
> } Subject: Re: 4.1 STABLE broken since today!
> } > 
> } > As commented on freebsd-current, this seems to have hit the -CURRENT
> } > kernel at the same time.  Someone should *not* have MFC'd some change
> } > immediately.  Not clear who yet.  I'm suspicious of the sbappend() changes
> } > that have been going in recently.
> } 
> } 
> } 1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
> }     (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
> }     This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.
> 
> [ snip ]
> 
> } The following patch works for me.
> } 
> } Index: sys/kern/kern_proc.c
> } ===================================================================
> } RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/kern_proc.c,v
> } retrieving revision 1.72
> } diff -u -r1.72 kern_proc.c
> } --- sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/30 04:49:07	1.72
> } +++ sys/kern/kern_proc.c	2000/08/31 03:56:30
> } @@ -210,7 +211,7 @@
> }  	if (uip == NULL)
> }  		uip = uicreate(uid);
> }  	s = splnet();
> } -	diff = to - *hiwat;
> } +	diff = (rlim_t) to - (rlim_t) *hiwat;
> }  	/* don't allow them to exceed max, but allow subtraction */
> }  	if (diff > 0 && uip->ui_sbsize + diff > max) {
> }  		(void)uifree(uip);
> 
> This depends on rlim_t being a signed type (which is happens to be).
> Also, if "to" is the same width as rlim_t, then this code could break
> if the difference was greater than the maximum positive value of rlim_t
> (not likely in this particular case).  Changing the test from
> 	diff > 0
> to
> 	to > *hiwat
> is much safer.

Well, rlim_t isn't going to change in the foreseeable future.  Also,
we don't support any architectures that support nearly 2^63 bytes of
physical memory; it's fair to say that there's no way for it to cause
a problem, but if you don't like it, cleanups can be done at leisure
:)

> I prefer the following patch to kern_proc.c, which also pulls uifree()
> out of splnet(), and eliminates some duplicate code.  I'm not yet running
> 4-stable, so I can't test this patch other than to see if it compiles
> without error.

We'll see, then; since this isn't critical, it can wait, right?

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On Aug 31,  7:25pm, Brian Fundakowski Feldman wrote:
} Subject: Re: 4.1 STABLE broken since today!
} On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Don Lewis wrote:
} 
} > On Aug 31,  6:11am, Tor.Egge@fast.no wrote:
} > } Subject: Re: 4.1 STABLE broken since today!

} > } 1.  The value of diff in chgsbsize was always positive
} > }     (unsigned - unsigned results in an unsigned value).
} > }     This causes bogus values in ui_sbsize.


} > This depends on rlim_t being a signed type (which is happens to be).
} > Also, if "to" is the same width as rlim_t, then this code could break
} > if the difference was greater than the maximum positive value of rlim_t
} > (not likely in this particular case).  Changing the test from
} > 	diff > 0
} > to
} > 	to > *hiwat
} > is much safer.
} 
} Well, rlim_t isn't going to change in the foreseeable future.  Also,
} we don't support any architectures that support nearly 2^63 bytes of
} physical memory; it's fair to say that there's no way for it to cause
} a problem, but if you don't like it, cleanups can be done at leisure
} :)

Yes, but ...

} > I prefer the following patch to kern_proc.c, which also pulls uifree()
} > out of splnet(), and eliminates some duplicate code.  I'm not yet running
} > 4-stable, so I can't test this patch other than to see if it compiles
} > without error.
} 
} We'll see, then; since this isn't critical, it can wait, right?

Either my patch or Tor's patch should be applied, since his comment
about the bogus value of diff is correct.  In a private message, he
also pointed out that problems could occur when chgsbsize() is called
from an interrupt context because of the calls to uifind() and and
uifree().  At a minimum, we need to wrap the whole function in splnet().
Even that still leaves the problem of uicreate(), which can call
MALLOC(..., M_WAITOK).

A better long term solution would be to store a pointer to the uidinfo
structure in the pcred structure and just pass the uidinfo pointer to
chgsbsize().  That will eliminate most of the calls to ui{find,free}()
and confine them all to the top half of the kernel.

I'm also don't think we do the proper accounting across setuid().  Say
we have a socket with a full buffer, call setuid() to a new uid, and then
drain the socket.  We will think the new uid is using a negative amount of
buffer space ...

Then there is the race condition that I found in access().  I think that
requires discussion in arch ...


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I just installed an ISP2150 with 4.1-RELEASE and two disks in a vinum
mirror.  So far, so good.  No gotchas during the process of setting it up.
The machine has 3 disks - one with the system on it, and the other two in a
volume with the mail spool on it.

The 2150 has been a nice unit to us so far, but we've not been able to get
it under load yet.  It's smaller brother (the 1100) is another one we have
4.1-RELEASE running on.  Everything there is peachy too.

Brian
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: ISP2150


On 30 Aug, Roman Shterenzon wrote:
> Hello,
> I know that this is kind of annoying question, but I just have to ask it,
since
> I was just told that I've to make an urgent installation of a file server
> tomorrow, and since it's going to be an important machine I wanted to ask
couple
> of questions, please help me if you know something about it, it's very
urgent,
> and I don't have enough time to investigate.. :(
> The hardware is Intel ISP2150
> http://www.intel.com/network/tech_specs/isp2150.htm
> It's going to have two harddisk, and I want to use vinum's raid-1 on it
and the
> clients will use it via NFS.
> I'm planning of installing FreeBSD 4.1-R, so here are the questions:
> 1) Is there hardware is supported under FreeBSD (seems to me that it is)

Yes. You will just have to use NBUS=5 in kernel SMP configuration since
the 2150 uses an active riser card.

Also use ECC RAM.

> 2) Is there some known issues with the described modules in FreeBSD 4.1-R
> i.e. vinum and nfs?

Not known to me. Someone ?

> 3) Should I upgrade it to -STABLE (I prefer not to), I was following this
> mailing list, and I think that I haven't seen anything related.

No.

RN.
IeM




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Has anybody found a solution to this yet? My workaround was to go back
to the wdc device rather than the ata device, but it might be better
for me to back down from 4.1-STABLE	to 4.1-RELEASE and use the newer
device. My CD-ROM is at ata0-slave and also wasn't being detected at
bootup. Exactly the same symptoms as below.

>Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:17:39 +0200
>From: "Herbert J. Skuhra" 
>To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: ata0-slave doesn't show up!
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>Hi!
>
>I installed FreeBSD-4.1-RELEASE yesterday. Right afterwards I cvsuped to
>4.1-STABLE and built the system and a new kernel following the steps in
>UPDATING.
>The system runs fine, but I have one single problem: ata0-slave doesn't
>show up when booting the new kernel although it does when I boot the
>kernel that comes with 4.1-RELEASE.
>
>dmesg output when booting the 4.1-RELEASE-kernel:
>
>----------
>atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0 at
>device 15.0 on pci0
>ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
>ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
>ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
>ad1: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33
>ata1-master: DMA limitted to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
>ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
>acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4 
>-----------
>
>But every kernel I build from the 4.1-STABLE sources (as well the
>GENERIC) results in the following result:
>
>-----------
>atapci0:  port 0xb800-0xb80f irq 0 at
>device 15.0 on pci0
>ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
>ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
>ad0: 19536MB  [39693/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
>ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable
>ad2: 14664MB  [29795/16/63] at ata1-master using UDMA33
>acd0: CDROM  at ata1-slave using PIO4
>-------------
>
>Where is ad1? I don't have any idea what's wrong. I tried a lot of
>kernel-configs, but I can't make ata0-slave show up.
>
>I tried it with the following entries in my kernel-config:
>
>example I: 
>
>device		ata0
>device		ata1
>device		ata
>device		atadisk
>device		atapicd		
>options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		 
>
>example II:
>
>device		ata
>device		atadisk0
>device		atadisk1
>device		atapicd
>options		ATA_STATIC_ID
>
>example III (from the 4.1-STABLE-GENERIC):
>
>device		ata0	at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
>device		ata1	at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
>device		ata
>device		atadisk			# ATA disk drives
>device		atapicd			# ATAPI CDROM drives
>options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		
>
>What am I missing? I hope anybody can help me out! Thanks a lot for your
>attention and your help!
>
>Best Regards,
>Herbert 
>
>
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As I recall, Salvo Bartolotta wrote:
> 
> 
> In order for the source-upgrade operation to make use of the existing 
> checkouts file, the following might/should (?) apply:
> 
> 1) mv [...]/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_4 [...]/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_3

I don't know.  I need to learn more about CVS.

> 2) the new cvsup file will contain the line:
>    src-all tag=RELENG_3

That will get you the latest code on the 3.x tree, which will
probably be 3.5.1

> 

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Roger Merritt wrote:
> Has anybody found a solution to this yet? My workaround was to go back
> to the wdc device rather than the ata device, but it might be better
> for me to back down from 4.1-STABLE	to 4.1-RELEASE and use the newer
> device. My CD-ROM is at ata0-slave and also wasn't being detected at
> bootup. Exactly the same symptoms as below.
>
-----------snip of dmesg and conf file ------------------

See dmesg from my system:

Dave

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Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Wed Aug 30 15:55:22 CDT 2000
    duhring@dave.uhring.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/dave
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (451.03-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x58c  Stepping = 12
  Features=0x8021bf
  AMD Features=0x80000800
real memory  = 134152192 (131008K bytes)
config> di pcic0
No such device: pcic0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di sn0
No such device: sn0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di lnc0
No such device: lnc0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di le0
No such device: le0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ie0
No such device: ie0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di fe0
No such device: fe0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di ed0
No such device: ed0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di cs0
No such device: cs0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di bt0
No such device: bt0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di aic0
No such device: aic0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di aha0
No such device: aha0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> di adv0
No such device: adv0
Invalid command or syntax.  Type `?' for help.
config> q
avail memory = 127315968 (124332K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0346000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc034609c.
K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers)
md0: Malloc disk
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0:  on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  mem 0xe5000000-0xe53fffff at device 0.0 on pci0
pcib1:  at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
pci1:  at 0.0
isab0:  at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port 0xe400-0xe40f at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pcib2:  at device 7.3 on pci0
fxp0:  port 0xe800-0xe81f mem 0xe5400000-0xe54fffff,0xe5500000-0xe5500fff irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:a0:c9:39:62:0f
fdc0:  at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
fd1: <1200-KB 5.25" drive> on fdc0 drive 1
atkbdc0:  at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0:  flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0:  irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0:  at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP
Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0:
ppbus0:  MLC,PCL,PML
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus0
sbc0:  at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,5 on isa0
sbc0: setting card to irq 5, drq 1, 5
pcm0:  on sbc0
unknown0:  at port 0x100 on isa0
unknown1:  at port 0x108 on isa0
unknown2:  at port 0x200-0x207 on isa0
ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata1-slave: identify failed
ad0: 12427MB  [25249/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad1: 1220MB  [2480/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-master using UDMA33
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a
pid 273 (kcmdisplay), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 275 (kcmdisplay), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 716 (kcmdisplay), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 717 (kcmdisplay), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 718 (kcmdisplay), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 721 (kcmkwm), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 722 (kcmkwm), uid 1001: exited on signal 6 (core dumped)
pid 726 (kcmkwm), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)

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  This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:

  sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)

  Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my 
  COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?

  gary


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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:29:25 +0200
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Subject: multiple tun devices while only 1 enabled in kernel
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Hi,

I compiled a kernel with the following options for tun0:
[snip]
pseudo-device   tun     1       # Packet tunnel.
[snip]

Now this is what happens when i use ppp on two terminals:
(you could do it for as many tun devices you have in /dev)

terminal 1:
ppp
Working in interactive mode
Using interface: tun0
ppp ON freebee> 

terminal 2:
ppp
Working in interactive mode
Using interface: tun1
ppp ON freebee> 

Huh?, thought i had only 1 tun device configured.......
At least it's not what i expected, it should say something like
"device tun0 not available" (like in 3.4-R, don't know exactly 
where it has been changed).

Is this a bug or have i missed / misconfigured something?
(don't think so).
I have only 1 modem so i want only 1 tun device....

Regards,

Andre

FWIW:
	uname -a
	FreeBSD freebee.attica.home 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: 
	Thu Aug 31 21:28:44 CEST 2000  
	ago@freebee.attica.home:/usr/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM  i386
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Thus spake Andre Goeree (abgoeree@uwnet.nl):

> Huh?, thought i had only 1 tun device configured.......
> At least it's not what i expected, it should say something like
> "device tun0 not available" (like in 3.4-R, don't know exactly 
> where it has been changed).

tun devices are dynamically generated in FreeBSD 4.0 and above. I
believe bpf devices are the same.


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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:35:32PM +1100, Nick Slager wrote:
> Thus spake Andre Goeree (abgoeree@uwnet.nl):
> 
> > Huh?, thought i had only 1 tun device configured.......
> > At least it's not what i expected, it should say something like
> > "device tun0 not available" (like in 3.4-R, don't know exactly 
> > where it has been changed).
> 
> tun devices are dynamically generated in FreeBSD 4.0 and above. I
> believe bpf devices are the same.
> 

Ok, but what if i only want to use tun0 and don't care
for the other devices....

Why suggest LINT and GENERIC that you can configure a number
of these devices?

GENERIC:
# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
pseudo-device   tun             # Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device   bpf             #Berkeley packet filter

IMHO should this not be something like:

# Pseudo devices - Dynamically generated.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pseudo-device   tun             # Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device   bpf             #Berkeley packet filter

Regards,

Andre
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----- Forwarded message from Andre Goeree  -----

Subject: Re: multiple tun devices while only 1 enabled in kernel
From: Andre Goeree 
To: Nick Slager 
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:51:37 +0200

On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:35:32PM +1100, Nick Slager wrote:
> Thus spake Andre Goeree (abgoeree@uwnet.nl):
> 
> > Huh?, thought i had only 1 tun device configured.......
> > At least it's not what i expected, it should say something like
> > "device tun0 not available" (like in 3.4-R, don't know exactly 
> > where it has been changed).
> 
> tun devices are dynamically generated in FreeBSD 4.0 and above. I
> believe bpf devices are the same.
> 

Ok, but what if i only want to use tun0 and don't care
for the other devices....

Why suggest LINT and GENERIC that you can configure a number
of these devices?

GENERIC:
# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
pseudo-device   tun             # Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device   bpf             #Berkeley packet filter

IMHO should this not be something like:

# Pseudo devices - Dynamically generated.
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pseudo-device   tun             # Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device   bpf             #Berkeley packet filter

Regards,

Andre
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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 05:53:48PM +0100, Antony T Curtis  wrote:

> It took a bit of work but I now have FreeBSD-STABLE 20000828 installed
> on this box with XFree86 4.0.1 using the i810e AGP graphics.
> 
> Seems a lot nippier than Linux 2.4-test4 on the same box! (actually,
> I've installed FreeBSD over it :> )
> 
> Should I write up what hoops I had to jump through to get it all
> working?

Sure. Every bit of docs is useful.
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At 11:52 PM 8/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
>On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Roger Merritt wrote:
>> Has anybody found a solution to this yet? My workaround was to go back
>> to the wdc device rather than the ata device, but it might be better
>> for me to back down from 4.1-STABLE	to 4.1-RELEASE and use the newer
>> device. My CD-ROM is at ata0-slave and also wasn't being detected at
>> bootup. Exactly the same symptoms as below.
>>
>-----------snip of dmesg and conf file ------------------
>
>See dmesg from my system:
>
>Dave
>
>Attachment Converted: "c:\program files\eudora\attach\dmesg1"
>

OK, so from your dmesg I see:

ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata1-slave: identify failed
ad0: 12427MB  [25249/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33
ad1: 1220MB  [2480/16/63] at ata0-slave using WDMA2
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-master using UDMA33

which means the ata driver is detecting the hard drive at ata0-slave,
while for some reason it does *not* detect the cd-rom at ata0-slave on
my machine. Hmmm. Well, let me try a new compile with the ata device.
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I had problem updating ever since 4.1-RC1. Reinstalled 4.1-R (fromatting
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I found, where these definitions are and added the correct include to
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diff mkioctls.bak mkioctls
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It solved my problem, although after next cvsup it's again there.

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Vallo Kallaste wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 05:53:48PM +0100, Antony T Curtis  wrote:
> 
> > It took a bit of work but I now have FreeBSD-STABLE 20000828 installed
> > on this box with XFree86 4.0.1 using the i810e AGP graphics.
> >
> > Seems a lot nippier than Linux 2.4-test4 on the same box! (actually,
> > I've installed FreeBSD over it :> )
> >
> > Should I write up what hoops I had to jump through to get it all
> > working?
> 
> Sure. Every bit of docs is useful.

I've sent an article to freebsddiary...


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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 08:31:16AM -0700, nathan barrick wrote:
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>  Okay, for the Past couple of days I have been getting these errors in my Security Check output: 
> 
>  HOSTNAME  kernel log messages:
> > pid 11964 (xfstt), uid 1001: exited on signal 11
> > sio3: 58004 more interrupt-level buffer overflows (total 58168)

> now, I can see two things here exiting and dumping. One is xfstt.. a X11 font server for ttf fonts. For some reason this crashes constantly. 

Damn. Was hopiing to get that working over the weekend...
Is there a howto? couldn't find one.
> And two, is the sio3 buffer overflows.. here is the thing.. if I have ppp running

IRQ conflict, I expect. (Serial mouse?) PC hardware sucks, doesn't it?

> and try to start X my computer freezes if i start X and then run ppp everything is okay.. I do believe this has something to do with this error. Anyone think they can help? 
> 

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Hi All-

This will add a "me too" to a much earlier thread; however, 
going from 4.1-RELEASE to 4.1-STABLE is unnecessarily broken
in when installing the sdbm business in perl durign the upgrade
( /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext/SDBM_File/sdbm).

History:

1) machine was installed from 4.1-RELEASE cdrom

2) updating the machine via NFS using maproot=nobody

Problem1:  the installworld craps out with error

cd sdbm && make all
rm -rf libsdbm.a
rm: libsdmb.a: Permission denied

===> this means we have to maproot to root ... sigh.

3) If I then export it with maproot=root, then it craps out with

chmod:No such file or directory

so I then have to add chmod to line 313 of /usr/src/Makefile.inc1

... sigh

4) Then I try again .. and now it cannot find touch... 

Running Mkbootstrap for SDBM_FILE ()

touch:No such file or directory

So, does it work if I then add "touch" to Makefile.inc1?  Not to
be overly whiney (well, I guess I am), but "GEEZE, Louise. This 
is pretty badly broken."

Thanks.
S
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In 4.1-stable tail -f over NFS polls rather than blocking.


 ...
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0)           = 1 (0x1)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
 (on and on)
 ...

This doesn't seem to happen on a local file:

 ...
kqueue()                                         = 4 (0x4)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
kevent(0x4,0xbfbff54c,0x1,0x0,0x0,0xbfbff4e4)    = 0 (0x0)
read(0x3,0x804d000,0x2000)                       = 0 (0x0)
 (pauses here)





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I have managed to get past the perl business by a combination of

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No.  I don't think it works, at least for the LAN side of things.

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In message <200009010501.WAA54972@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
:   This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:
:   sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)
:   Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my 
:   COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?

Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
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386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
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> In message <200009010501.WAA54972@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
> :   This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:
> :   sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)
> :   Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my
> :   COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?
>
> Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
> service the interrupt before the buffer overflows (but unless it is a
> 386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
> baud rate mismatches, but that's fairly rare and unusual (you usually
> get framing errors from a 16550A in this case).  This can also be
> caused by other hardware misbehaving and blocking interrupts.

I think we'd see a lot fewer of these messages on the mailing lists if sio.c
set the 16550A trigger level to 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes.  That's the
first thing I do when I see this problem, and that usually fixes it; much
easier than replacing the misbehaving hardware. :-)

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In message <002d01c01444$350c8b00$a44b8486@jking> "Jim King" writes:
: I think we'd see a lot fewer of these messages on the mailing lists if sio.c
: set the 16550A trigger level to 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes.  That's the
: first thing I do when I see this problem, and that usually fixes it; much
: easier than replacing the misbehaving hardware. :-)

For fast machines, this is a lose since it double the interrupt rate,
but does give a *MUCH* better interrupt latency tolerance.  I had to
do this when i had a 16550A attached to a custom card via PCI.  I
couldn't make it have fast interrupts, so I did the next best thing by
increasing the number of interrupts and checking more often (the card
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Jim King wrote:
> 
> I think we'd see a lot fewer of these messages on the mailing lists if sio.c
> set the 16550A trigger level to 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes.  That's the
> first thing I do when I see this problem, and that usually fixes it; much
> easier than replacing the misbehaving hardware. :-)
> 
Is this the right place to do that?

--- sio.c.orig  Wed Aug 16 09:29:34 2000
+++ sio.c       Fri Sep  1 14:53:47 2000
@@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@
                 * latencies are larger.
                 */
                com->fifo_image = t->c_ospeed <= 4800
-                                 ? FIFO_ENABLE : FIFO_ENABLE |
FIFO_RX_HIGH;
+                                 ? FIFO_ENABLE : FIFO_ENABLE |
FIFO_RX_MEDH;
 #ifdef COM_ESP
                /*
                 * The Hayes ESP card needs the fifo DMA mode bit set

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> In message <200008310656.e7V6uqb00584@hawk.gnome.co.uk> Chris Stenton writes:
> : Well I suppose it had to happen sometime. This is my first kernel lockout since
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> 
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> sent me after prodding from Jordan.

There wasn't a FreeBSD 0.X release.  That was NetBSD's release numbering
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James Housley wrote:

> Jim King wrote:
> >
> > I think we'd see a lot fewer of these messages on the mailing lists if
sio.c
> > set the 16550A trigger level to 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes.  That's the
> > first thing I do when I see this problem, and that usually fixes it;
much
> > easier than replacing the misbehaving hardware. :-)
> >
> Is this the right place to do that?
>
> --- sio.c.orig  Wed Aug 16 09:29:34 2000
> +++ sio.c       Fri Sep  1 14:53:47 2000
> @@ -2345,7 +2345,7 @@
>                  * latencies are larger.
>                  */
>                 com->fifo_image = t->c_ospeed <= 4800
> -                                 ? FIFO_ENABLE : FIFO_ENABLE |
> FIFO_RX_HIGH;
> +                                 ? FIFO_ENABLE : FIFO_ENABLE |
> FIFO_RX_MEDH;
>  #ifdef COM_ESP
>                 /*
>                  * The Hayes ESP card needs the fifo DMA mode bit set

Yep.

Jim




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Warner Losh wrote:
> In message <002d01c01444$350c8b00$a44b8486@jking> "Jim King" writes:
> : I think we'd see a lot fewer of these messages on the mailing lists if
sio.c
> : set the 16550A trigger level to 8 bytes instead of 14 bytes.  That's the
> : first thing I do when I see this problem, and that usually fixes it;
much
> : easier than replacing the misbehaving hardware. :-)
>
> For fast machines, this is a lose since it double the interrupt rate,
> but does give a *MUCH* better interrupt latency tolerance.  I had to
> do this when i had a 16550A attached to a custom card via PCI.  I
> couldn't make it have fast interrupts, so I did the next best thing by
> increasing the number of interrupts and checking more often (the card
> itself had about half a dozen interrupts going all the time, so long
> as I could afford a 16ms latency I was fine).

But it's a pretty small lose in the grand scheme of things, and it would
prevent a lot of problems in the field (judging from the amount of times
this comes up on -stable and -questions).

FreeBSD and 16-bit Windows are the only systems I've used that defaulted to
setting the trigger to 14.  (They also share the unfortunate characteristic
that you have to re-compile something to change the default; Windows was
more unfortunate in that you had to own the Windows DDK to do this.)  All
the DOS-based communications software I used when the 16550A first hit the
scene used 8 (usually easily changed in a configuration file), and all the
32-bit versions of Windows default to 8 (easily changed in a fancy GUI
configuration dialog).

If we're going to hard-code this we should hard-code a middle-of-the-road
setting, not something that's wonderful on some boxes but awful on others.

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In message <004d01c01448$9dfabcf0$a44b8486@jking> "Jim King" writes:
: If we're going to hard-code this we should hard-code a middle-of-the-road
: setting, not something that's wonderful on some boxes but awful on others.

Likely the best way to deal is a hint that will tell the driver where
to set the fifo level at.

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 I posted this question a couple of days ago, but haven't found any
answers. I did find a PR (15356) that's similar, but no fix. I've also
tried v4.1-2000829-STABLE, with the same result.

SCSI adapter:
 Tekram DC390U2W  (NCR53c895 chipset)

ID      Device
0,0     9G IBM LVD (1115C, 255H, 63S)
0,1     18G IBM LVD (2212C, 255H, 63S)
0,2     9G Seagate LVD (1106S, 255H, 63S)
0,3     Archive 4G DDS2
0,4     Iomega 100m ZIP
0,5     Plextor PX32TS CD-ROM
0,6     TEAC R55S CD-R

 I have FBSD 4.1-STABLE installed & running on the IBM 9G (0,0), Linux
on
the rest of that drive, NT4 on the Seagate (0,2) and Be on the first
partition
partition of the 18G. Linux, NT, and Be all recognize the 18G IBM, and
Linux
mounts partitions on it. 
 FreeBSD does not recognize the drive in any way, during install or the
running system. Available drives are:
/dev/da0        9G IBM
/dev/da1        9G Seagate
/dev/da2        100m Iomega ZIP 
  
 The hardware is all jumpered correctly, there are no ID conflicts, and
the
Tekram BIOS is set to factory defaults.
 Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution?
 I'm also stuck for a way to scan the SCSI bus in FBSD. What's the
equivalent of Linux' "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" or "scsiinfo"?
Thanks.

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 02:37:56PM -0500, Doc Shipley wrote:

>  I'm also stuck for a way to scan the SCSI bus in FBSD. What's the
> equivalent of Linux' "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" or "scsiinfo"?

'man camcontrol' is your friend.

As in:

freebie#camcontrol devlist
           at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0)
        at scbus0 target 1 lun 0 (pass1,da1)
    at scbus0 target 2 lun 0 (pass2,cd0)
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freebie#

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I don't know if I should post this here or on the scsi list, but I'm sure 
I'll be told if I'm wrong.  I've been having a problem with my tape drive 
and I have a solution, I just don't know if it's the correct solution.  I'm 
running 4.1 stable and have a drive that gets recognized as a Tandberg TDC 
3800 (see dmesg output that follows) with DC6525 tapes.  I have scsi and sa 
in the kernel and everything set up correctly, but whenever I try to do 
anything with the tape drive I get an error.

$ sudo mt status
mt: /dev/nsa0: Invalid argument
(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): unable to set fixed blocksize to 1024

I set some debug flags and did some digging through cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c and 
found that the quirk entry for the Tandberg 3800 doesn't set SA_QUIRK_FIXED 
or SA_QUIRK_VARIABLE so on line 1978 last_media_blksize gets set to 1024 
which in turn causes it to try to set the device blocksize to 1024 around 
line 2041.  I don't know if my drive or media is funky or what, but it 
wants the blocksize to be 512 and only 512 (or variable).  I've gotten 
around this by setting either SA_QUIRK_FIXED or SA_QUIRK_VARIABLE in the 
Tandberg 3800 quirk entry.


dmesg output:

Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
        The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Thu Aug 31 15:06:00 CDT 2000
    root@finch.koehntop.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FINCH
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium Pro (179.63-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x619  Stepping = 9

snip...

(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): found quirk entry 13
sa0 at sym0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0
sa0:  Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device
sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers



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>  I posted this question a couple of days ago, but haven't found any
> answers. I did find a PR (15356) that's similar, but no fix. I've also
> tried v4.1-2000829-STABLE, with the same result.
> 
> SCSI adapter:
>  Tekram DC390U2W  (NCR53c895 chipset)
> 
> ID      Device
> 0,0     9G IBM LVD (1115C, 255H, 63S)
> 0,1     18G IBM LVD (2212C, 255H, 63S)
> 0,2     9G Seagate LVD (1106S, 255H, 63S)
> 0,3     Archive 4G DDS2
> 0,4     Iomega 100m ZIP
> 0,5     Plextor PX32TS CD-ROM
> 0,6     TEAC R55S CD-R
...
>  The hardware is all jumpered correctly, there are no ID conflicts, and
> the Tekram BIOS is set to factory defaults.
>  Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution?

Not enough data to be sure.

>  I'm also stuck for a way to scan the SCSI bus in FBSD. What's the
> equivalent of Linux' "cat /proc/scsi/scsi" or "scsiinfo"?

Camcontrol.  Specifically, try 'camcontrol rescan 0:1:0' and see what, if 
anything, is printed.  Boot with -v and watch the SCSI probe phase (late 
in the kernel boot cycle) for anything that mentions 0:1:0.

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>I don't know if I should post this here or on the scsi list, but I'm sure 
>I'll be told if I'm wrong.  I've been having a problem with my tape drive 
>and I have a solution, I just don't know if it's the correct solution.  I'm 
>running 4.1 stable and have a drive that gets recognized as a Tandberg TDC 
>3800 (see dmesg output that follows) with DC6525 tapes.  I have scsi and sa 
>in the kernel and everything set up correctly, but whenever I try to do 
>anything with the tape drive I get an error.
>
>$ sudo mt status
>mt: /dev/nsa0: Invalid argument
>(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): unable to set fixed blocksize to 1024

Reported this a few weeks ago and it's still broken.
Use 'mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status' and it will work. The
'dev/nsa0' comes from a define in mtio.h 
It used to work...

Mike





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I remember that, but I think it is a different problem.  Mine appears unrelated:

$ sudo mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status
mt: /dev/nrsa0: Invalid argument
(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): unable to set fixed blocksize to 1024

eric


On Friday, September 01, 2000 3:01 PM, murphree1@ispchannel.com [SMTP:murphree1@ispchannel.com] wrote:
> 
> >I don't know if I should post this here or on the scsi list, but I'm sure 
> >I'll be told if I'm wrong.  I've been having a problem with my tape drive 
> >and I have a solution, I just don't know if it's the correct solution.  I'm 
> >running 4.1 stable and have a drive that gets recognized as a Tandberg TDC 
> >3800 (see dmesg output that follows) with DC6525 tapes.  I have scsi and sa 
> >in the kernel and everything set up correctly, but whenever I try to do 
> >anything with the tape drive I get an error.
> >
> >$ sudo mt status
> >mt: /dev/nsa0: Invalid argument
> >(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): unable to set fixed blocksize to 1024
> 
> Reported this a few weeks ago and it's still broken.
> Use 'mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status' and it will work. The
> 'dev/nsa0' comes from a define in mtio.h 
> It used to work...



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> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 03:19:21AM +1000, Andy Farkas wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, this just bit me - after doing a remote upgrade, the system dials
> > back in, but no default route is set!
> 
> I noticed weird errors when I had 'add default HISADDR		#blah'
> in my ppp.conf. Removing some tabs got it working.
> 
> Looks like a parsing error. ppp doesn't accept more than one tab after
> 'add default HISADDR', it seems. Someone file a PR, please :)

This is fixed now.  Ppp was erroneously thinking it had an extra 
empty argument to the command when it saw two whitespace characters...

> Greetz, Peter.
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murphree1@ispchannel.com wrote at 13:01 -0700 on Sep  1:
 > 
 > >I don't know if I should post this here or on the scsi list, but I'm sure 
 > >I'll be told if I'm wrong.  I've been having a problem with my tape drive 
 > >and I have a solution, I just don't know if it's the correct solution.  I'm 
 > >running 4.1 stable and have a drive that gets recognized as a Tandberg TDC 
 > >3800 (see dmesg output that follows) with DC6525 tapes.  I have scsi and sa 
 > >in the kernel and everything set up correctly, but whenever I try to do 
 > >anything with the tape drive I get an error.
 > >
 > >$ sudo mt status
 > >mt: /dev/nsa0: Invalid argument
 > >(sa0:sym0:0:5:0): unable to set fixed blocksize to 1024
 > 
 > Reported this a few weeks ago and it's still broken.
 > Use 'mt -f /dev/nrsa0 status' and it will work. The
 > 'dev/nsa0' comes from a define in mtio.h 
 > It used to work...

It's not broken... be sure to update your MAKEDEV (mergemaster helps here)
 - and your /dev tree - when you update your world.  The change was made in
 May, so your MAKEDEV &/or dev tree appear to be at least 3-4 months old.

cvs log -r1.243.2.2 src/etc/MAKEDEV
.
.
.
revision 1.243.2.2
date: 2000/05/09 01:13:27;  author: peter;  state: Exp;  lines: +45 -49
MFC: sync up with hard links instead of duplicate mknods (consuming
seperate inodes).  Also provide non-'r' tape node names.  Fix ttyA/cuaA.


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On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Warner Losh wrote:

 > In message <200009010501.WAA54972@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
 > :   This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:
 > :   sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)
 > :   Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my 
 > :   COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?
 > 
 > Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
 > service the interrupt before the buffer overflows (but unless it is a
 > 386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
 > baud rate mismatches, but that's fairly rare and unusual (you usually
 > get framing errors from a 16550A in this case).  This can also be
 > caused by other hardware misbehaving and blocking interrupts.

Regarding later messages on this also:

I ran a 386SX16 under DOS 5 / DESQView (~10 tasks in 6Mb) using David
Nugent's BNU FOSSIL driver as a Fidonet mailer/BBS for almost 9 years,
hardly ever seeing 16550A overflows at 14 byte thresholds, albeit 14.4k.

Unless a slower FreeBSD system is running with extraordinarily high
interrupt latencies, it seems to me that setting a _default_ 8 byte
threshold would do little more than nearly double sio interrupt
frequency needlessly - even on a 386SX25!  A knob, ok, sure ,,

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At 08:09 09/02/2000 +1000, Ian Smith wrote:
>On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Warner Losh wrote:
>
>  > In message <200009010501.WAA54972@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
>  > :   This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:
>  > :   sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)
>  > :   Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my
>  > :   COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?
>  >
>  > Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
>  > service the interrupt before the buffer overflows (but unless it is a
>  > 386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
>  > baud rate mismatches, but that's fairly rare and unusual (you usually
>  > get framing errors from a 16550A in this case).  This can also be
>  > caused by other hardware misbehaving and blocking interrupts.

It seems a lot of people have forgotten, but the UARTs in x86 machines (and 
others I suppose) went through various revisions in the old days, the most 
important of these being the following..

8250 - Unbuffered, original serial UART.  Maximum speed of 9600.  Had a bug 
that generated spurious interrupts when accessed.

8250A - Fixed version of the 8250

8250B - Un-Fixed version of the 8250A, since the XT BIOS was expecting 
these spurious interrupts and now wouldn't function correctly.

16450 - 115,200 baud, but maximum reliable with no buffer was about 38.4kbaud.

16550 - 115,200 baud, with a 16byte FIFO buffer.  These UARTs also had a 
bug, which rendered the FIFO useless.

16550A - Revision of 16550 with a working FIFO.

16550AF - 16550A capable of higher speed operation, up to 256kbaud.  This 
UART has a bug which can cause character loss when the TX buffer is enabled 
if the last byte in the buffer has not been completely sent (i.e. still in 
the shift register).  It is entirely possible that the bug exists also in 
the 16550A, although I am unsure of this.

16550AFN - 16550AF created with new ceramic process.

(Unbuffered is sort of a misnomer on the 8250/16450.  They both had a 2byte 
buffer, but for programming purposes, they are unbuffered.)

There are many UARTs other than those I have mentioned here, but these are 
by far the most common to find in any given system.  I think special 
attention should be paid though to the bugs present in the different 
models, and check to see if code has been implemented to work around these 
bugs.

You may want to try just lowering the trigger level of the buffer one or 
two bytes.  I'd say somewhere around 8-10 is a happy medium between buffer 
usage and overhead.  The lower the level, the more interrupts will be 
generated, but the less likely a buffer overrun is going to be.  Down at 
zero, you'll generate an interrupt for every byte going over the port, but 
the chances of a buffer overflow occuring are about nonexistant.  Any 
reasonable machine should be able to handle serial communications with one 
of these UARTs with no problem whatsoever.




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Mike Smith wrote:
> >  The hardware is all jumpered correctly, there are no ID conflicts, and
> > the Tekram BIOS is set to factory defaults.
> >  Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution?
> 
> Not enough data to be sure.
> 

 OK. What other info do I need to post, and is this the right list?

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As I recall, Allen Landsidel wrote:
> (Unbuffered is sort of a misnomer on the 8250/16450.  They both had a
> 2byte buffer, but for programming purposes, they are unbuffered.)

Well, more like one-and-a-half.  One byte storage, and then the shift
register.

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On 01-Sep-00 Antony T Curtis wrote:
>> > Should I write up what hoops I had to jump through to get it all
>> > working?
>> 
>> Sure. Every bit of docs is useful.
> 
> I've sent an article to freebsddiary...

You might want to send it to doc@FreeBSD.org as well, perhaps someone will pick
up on it and find it somewhere to slot into the project's 'offical' docs.

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> As I recall, Allen Landsidel wrote:
> > (Unbuffered is sort of a misnomer on the 8250/16450.  They both had a
> > 2byte buffer, but for programming purposes, they are unbuffered.)
> 
> Well, more like one-and-a-half.  One byte storage, and then the shift
> register.

It is a one character buffer.  Period.  Not 2 characters, not 1.5, but 1
character.  If you don't get your data out in 1 character time, you loose
data and have a silo overflow.  You can not count the deserializer as
a buffer as it in no way effects how long you have to get the data out
before you loose data due to an overrun.

I can say that the problem of sio overruns has gotten worse in BSD over
time, or that is it after the great improvements made by Bruce Evans and
the fast interrupt code other parts of the system have degraded in ways
that have made very high speed serial work marginal unless you drop your
FIFO to 8 byte thresholds.  (I've had 262Kbaud serial stuff running on
FreeBSD stuff since the 386BSD days, and until I upgraded to 3.4 I never
had to fuss with the FIFO threshold.  At 3.4 I had to lower it to 8 bytes.
This is _NOT_ slow hardware, this is on a Pentium 100 doing nothing more
than routing packets to/from 4 high speed serial ports, ethernet and 2mb
wireless, oh, and before you ask, yes the hardware is properly configured,
no shared interrupts, etc.

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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 14:12 -0500, Jim King wrote:
> 
> [ ... it's about reducing FIFO trigger from 14 to 8 ... ]
> 
> FreeBSD and 16-bit Windows are the only systems I've used that
> defaulted to setting the trigger to 14.  (They also share the
> unfortunate characteristic that you have to re-compile
> something to change the default; Windows was more unfortunate
> in that you had to own the Windows DDK to do this.)  All the
> DOS-based communications software I used when the 16550A first
> hit the scene used 8 (usually easily changed in a configuration
> file), and all the 32-bit versions of Windows default to 8
> (easily changed in a fancy GUI configuration dialog).

Looking at the sio(4), termios(4) and comcontrol(8) manpages I
fail to see how one could set the FIFO trigger "on the fly", too.
And I'm reluctant to believe it. :)

Although there are commands for changing bitrates, datalength,
stopbits, etc.  I guess all these parameters are equally "cruel"
to currently running communication sessions.  But I don't see how
it could be a bad idea(TM) to have an ioctl(2) to change FIFO
trigger depths to use it when no process accesses the sio driver.
This could be once after booting as well as reacting to "silo
overflow" messages (trying the default of 14 at first).

Should I dig inside sys/isa/sio.c to extend the sioioctl()
function for such an extension (and file a PR) or is it evil to
even think about this for longer than two seconds and not come up
with "hell, no!" as the result?  This solution wouldn't collide
with cvsup(1)s and would leave the problematic machines up and
happily running without a need for a new kernel and a reboot (of
course there had to be a userland tool, too -- stty maybe?).  And
the unaffected won't notice the change since the default is still
to have a deep queue.


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On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 05:53:59PM -0500, Doc Shipley wrote:
> Mike Smith wrote:
> > >  The hardware is all jumpered correctly, there are no ID conflicts, and
> > > the Tekram BIOS is set to factory defaults.
> > >  Has anyone seen this? Is there a solution?
> > 
> > Not enough data to be sure.
> 
>  OK. What other info do I need to post, and is this the right list?

You might want to ask the question on the freebsd-scsi list because
there you will find the SCSI developers.

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Hi,
I'm trying to use DRI with XFree 4 and the voodoo3 agp card, but as
as I start x windows I get the message that DRI is disabled:
...
(II) TDFX(0): initializing int10
(==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear
(II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) TDFX(0): VESA Bios detected
(II) TDFX(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
(==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xec000000,0x2000000) was already clear
(==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xe0000000,0x2000000)
(==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x10000) was already clear
(II) TDFX(0): Textures Memory 10.99 MB
II) TDFX(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
        Screen to screen bit blits
        Solid filled rectangles
        8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
        Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
        Solid Lines
        Dashed Lines
        Offscreen Pixmaps
        Driver provided NonTEGlyphRenderer replacement
	Setting up tile and stipple cache:
                8 128x128 slots
(==) TDFX(0): Backing store disabled
(==) TDFX(0): Silken mouse enabled
(II) TDFX(0): direct rendering disabled
(**) Mouse1: Protocol: "Auto"
(**) Mouse1: Core Pointer
(==) Mouse1: Buttons:
...

Why does it say "(II) TDFX(0): direct rendering disabled" ?
I compiled XFree86-4 from the ports and it starts up fine, I confiured
it to load the GLX and DRI modules, like it says in the installation
guide. Do I have to install anything else beside this? I just started with an
fresh 4.1S Box. Could someone help me to get this to work??

Regards Thomas Koper


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Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.

I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices on temporary
mount points on the old disk and copied the folders and files using
Midnight Commander.  It all works like a charm with one exception.

My problem is that the root "/" partition installed on the "s1e" rather
than the "s1a" slice The s1a slice does not exist on this disk.

This results in an "invalid partition" message upon boot up, followed by
unsuccessful attempts to boot into the nonexistent s1a slice.  However,
I am able to manually enter the correct slice and boot loader info.

I understand that booting into the s1a slice is default behavior.  I am
tempted to use boot0cfg but am apprehensive because of the
"dangerously dedicated" type of installation.

Reviewing the boot and boot0cfg manuals has not given me a solution.

Any ideas?

Thank you!


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> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
> 
> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices on temporary
> mount points on the old disk and copied the folders and files using
> Midnight Commander.  It all works like a charm with one exception.
> 
> My problem is that the root "/" partition installed on the "s1e" rather
> than the "s1a" slice The s1a slice does not exist on this disk.

I had a similar situation only a few days ago.  I don't know if this
is correct, or should even work, but it did for me.  Just change the
label from "e" to "a" using `disklabel -e ad?` (it will put you into
an editor, see `man disklabel` for more details).  For example, say
this is your current layout (use `disklabel ad?` to get this output):

[begin output]


8 partitions:
#        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
  b:   196608    65536      swap                        # (Cyl.    4*- 16*)
  c:  8421840        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 524*)
  e:    65536        0    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.    0 - 4*)
  f:  1048576   262144    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   16*- 81*)
  g:    65536  1310720    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   81*- 85*)
  h:  7045584  1376256    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   85*- 524*)
[end output]

Change the line which starts with "e" to "a" using `disklabel -e ad?`,
so it'll look like:

[begin output]
8 partitions:
#        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
  b:   196608    65536      swap                        # (Cyl.    4*- 16*)
  c:  8421840        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 524*)
  a:    65536        0    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.    0 - 4*)
  f:  1048576   262144    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   16*- 81*)
  g:    65536  1310720    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   81*- 85*)
  h:  7045584  1376256    4.2BSD     1024  8192    16   # (Cyl.   85*- 524*)
[end output]

After this you're going to need to make the device entry for your new
label (`cd /dev;sh MAKEDEV ad?s1a`) and you should be all set.

Although I used the IDE driver for all my examples, this should also
work for SCSI disks.  Also, while this shouldn't touch the actual data
on your disk, I strongly recommend you have a backup; just in case.

Hope this helps

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Hi everyone,

Has anyone sat down and tested loading FreeBSD v4.1
on IBM Thinkpads and other laptops?? I was looking into
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Ben Smithurst wrote:

> Fred Gilham wrote:
> 
>> In 4.1-stable tail -f over NFS polls rather than blocking.
> 
> Yes, this is acknowledged in the kqueue() manual page.  Try this patch,
> it seems to work for me so I might commit it if no-one objects.

Scratch that, the problem is fixed in -current (kevent returns
'Operation not supported' for an NFS), so you'll just have to wait until
that bit of code is MFC'd.

The patch will work as a temporary fix for you though.

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Fred Gilham wrote:

> In 4.1-stable tail -f over NFS polls rather than blocking.

Yes, this is acknowledged in the kqueue() manual page.  Try this patch,
it seems to work for me so I might commit it if no-one objects.

Index: forward.c
===================================================================
RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/usr.bin/tail/forward.c,v
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -r1.15 forward.c
--- forward.c	2000/07/18 19:38:38	1.15
+++ forward.c	2000/09/02 16:16:40
@@ -40,7 +40,8 @@
 static char sccsid[] = "@(#)forward.c	8.1 (Berkeley) 6/6/93";
 #endif /* not lint */
 
-#include 
+#include 
+#include 
 #include 
 #include 
 #include 
@@ -96,6 +97,7 @@
 	int action = USE_SLEEP;
 	struct kevent ev[2];
 	struct stat sb2;
+	struct statfs statfsbuf;
 
 	switch(style) {
 	case FBYTES:
@@ -170,7 +172,10 @@
 		break;
 	}
 
-	if (fflag) {
+	if (statfs(fname, &statfsbuf) != 0)
+		err(1, "statfs %s", fname);
+
+	if (fflag && strcmp(statfsbuf.f_fstypename, "ufs") == 0) {
 		kq = kqueue();
 		if (kq < 0)
 			err(1, "kqueue");
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This seems to be a bug.  According to the man page:

   The functions exp(), expm1(), pow() detect if the computed value will
   overflow, set the global variable errno to ERANGE, and ...


But it doesn't set errno to ERANGE on overflow.

I'll wait for a day on the PR in case someone knows better.

Example:  The attached code generates:  Inf  0

The output should be:  Inf 34    (34 is ERANGE)

Randall

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#include 
#include 
#include 
#include 

main()
{
   fpsetmask(0);
   printf( "%g\n", pow(1e300,2) );
   pow(1e300,2);
   printf( "%d\n", errno );
}

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I'm teaching Python to catch SIGFPE, and currently I have this:

   #elif defined(__FreeBSD__)
   #include 
       fpresetsticky( FP_X_INV | FP_X_DZ | FP_X_OFL );
       fpsetmask( FP_X_INV | FP_X_DZ | FP_X_OFL );
       signal(SIGFPE, handler);

which executes on initialization and every time one of these 3 FP exceptions
is caught in "handler".

It works fine for the first FP exception (handler is called and the above
code reexecutes).  But for subsequent exceptions, handler is "not" called.

Apparently I'm not doing something I should be.  What is it?

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Alas, from: http://dri.sourceforge.net/DRIuserguide.html :

* With XFree86 4.0 and the Direct Rendering Interface (DRI), hardware
* accelerated 3D graphics can be considered a standard feature on Linux
* workstations. Support for other operating systems, such as FreeBSD, is 
* underway. 

Each DRI driver, AFAICT, needs its own accompanying kernel module, and the 
FreeBSD kernel modules just don't exist yet.  Sigh.  I'll keep running 3.3.6
with Utah-GLX for now...

--David Bushong


On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 02:26:52PM +0000, Thomas Koper wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm trying to use DRI with XFree 4 and the voodoo3 agp card, but as
> as I start x windows I get the message that DRI is disabled:
> ...
> (II) TDFX(0): initializing int10
> (==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x20000) was already clear
> (II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
> (II) TDFX(0): VESA Bios detected
> (II) TDFX(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
> (==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xec000000,0x2000000) was already clear
> (==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xe0000000,0x2000000)
> (==) TDFX(0): Write-combining range (0xa0000,0x10000) was already clear
> (II) TDFX(0): Textures Memory 10.99 MB
> II) TDFX(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA)
>         Screen to screen bit blits
>         Solid filled rectangles
>         8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles
>         Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion
>         Solid Lines
>         Dashed Lines
>         Offscreen Pixmaps
>         Driver provided NonTEGlyphRenderer replacement
> 	Setting up tile and stipple cache:
>                 8 128x128 slots
> (==) TDFX(0): Backing store disabled
> (==) TDFX(0): Silken mouse enabled
> (II) TDFX(0): direct rendering disabled
> (**) Mouse1: Protocol: "Auto"
> (**) Mouse1: Core Pointer
> (==) Mouse1: Buttons:
> ...
> 
> Why does it say "(II) TDFX(0): direct rendering disabled" ?
> I compiled XFree86-4 from the ports and it starts up fine, I confiured
> it to load the GLX and DRI modules, like it says in the installation
> guide. Do I have to install anything else beside this? I just started with an
> fresh 4.1S Box. Could someone help me to get this to work??
> 
> Regards Thomas Koper
> 
> 
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Hiya, is there any reason why "flags 0x1" got added to the atkbd0 line
somewhere between 4.0 and 4.1? I'm asking as when I was trying to install
4.1-RELEASE it wasn't recognising the keyboard, installing with 4.0-RELEASE
worked, after which I tried cvsuping to 4.1-STABLE which still didn't work.

After some fiddling I found that it was the flags 0x1 part of atkbd0 which
was stopping it working and so just recompiled a new kernel and it worked.

Here's the error I found in the logs:
Sep  2 20:11:04 adsl /kernel: atkbdc0:  at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
Sep  2 20:11:04 adsl /kernel: atkbd0:  flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
Sep  2 20:11:04 adsl /kernel: device_probe_and_attach: atkbd0 attach returned 6

I'm running a Duron 650 on an Asus A7V motherboard if that's any use.

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Hi !

  What i need to do to install programs from ports collection on my
  FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE box ?

  Ports collection are fresh. Just cvsupped.
  Is there any caveats ?

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On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:02:04AM -0400, JDBitters@cs.com wrote:
> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
> 
> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices...

Huh? A dangerously dedicated disk has no slices.

[snip]
> My problem is that the root "/" partition installed on the "s1e" rather
> than the "s1a" slice The s1a slice does not exist on this disk.

Rename the 'e' partition to 'a.' But you shouldn't have any slices on
your disk.

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On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 12:53:00PM -0400, kmays wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Has anyone sat down and tested loading FreeBSD v4.1
> on IBM Thinkpads and other laptops?? I was looking into
> installing it on some of my older laptops and wondered what are the trails
> and errors in doing this.

The usual catch to intalling on a notebook is the PCMCIA cards. How
easy or difficult varies widely with the cards. You can't really say
where the catches are until you know the notebook and the cards.
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Andrey Lakhno wrote:

> Hi !
> 
>   What i need to do to install programs from ports collection on my
>   FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE box ?
> 
>   Ports collection are fresh. Just cvsupped.
>   Is there any caveats ?

Yes, the ports collection no longer supports 2.x. Any ports which build
and work on that system will be purely coincidental :-)

Either upgrade your system, or if this system is so criticial you can't
upgrade it then consider either not installing ports on it, or building
them yourself.

You could use an older ports collection, but I don't recommend it for
security reasons - old versions of software such as are found in the old
ports collection contain many more security holes than newer versions, on
average

Kris

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep  2 16:52:13 2000
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Ian Smith wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Warner Losh wrote:
> 
>  > In message <200009010501.WAA54972@tao.thought.org> Gary Kline writes:
>  > :   This just showed up on my console (and dmesg) from my new 4.1 system:
>  > :   sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)
>  > :   Could this be why moused is having trouble with recognizing my
>  > :   COM1 mouse?  Bad 16550A?
>  >
>  > Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
>  > service the interrupt before the buffer overflows (but unless it is a
>  > 386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
>  > baud rate mismatches, but that's fairly rare and unusual (you usually
>  > get framing errors from a 16550A in this case).  This can also be
>  > caused by other hardware misbehaving and blocking interrupts.
> 
> Regarding later messages on this also:
> 
> I ran a 386SX16 under DOS 5 / DESQView (~10 tasks in 6Mb) using David
> Nugent's BNU FOSSIL driver as a Fidonet mailer/BBS for almost 9 years,
> hardly ever seeing 16550A overflows at 14 byte thresholds, albeit 14.4k.
> 
> Unless a slower FreeBSD system is running with extraordinarily high
> interrupt latencies, it seems to me that setting a _default_ 8 byte
> threshold would do little more than nearly double sio interrupt
> frequency needlessly - even on a 386SX25!  A knob, ok, sure ,,
> 
> Cheers, Ian
> 

You actually run a 386SX25?  I have a 486/133 that has always
experienced intense SILO overflows (yes, it is a true 16550, bought
specifically to address this,) under FreeBSD.  I suspect the problem is
exasperated by PIO mode IDE and an ISA NE2000.  Anyhow, the threshold
most definitely MUST be lowered when communicating at >50Kbps with my
USR modem.

I would kill for a kernel option that makes patching unnecessary but the
attitude, as expressed above, that anything faster than a 386SX25 can
not possibly be too slow seems to preclude this.  I believe there is a
shortage of under powered hardware among the developers.  Maybe that is
a good thing. :)

As evidenced by this thread where multiple respondents have pointed out
similar experiences, the default threshold is too high for some
hardware.  This is despite the fact that the maintainers all seem to be
convinced that it can't possibly be.  A simple "knob" to get from
FIFO_RX_HIGH to FIFO_RX_MEDH without patching would be very useful.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep  2 17:56:33 2000
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As I recall, Andrey Lakhno wrote:
>   What i need to do to install programs from ports collection on my
>   FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE box ?
> 
>   Ports collection are fresh. Just cvsupped.
>   Is there any caveats ?

I've got a couple of 2.2.8-STABLE systems.

You can have some problems.  The port collection isn't tagged to any
particular release.  Each port is expected to check what release it
is building under if it cares.  This is not always done, and the
ports maintainers no longer try to build a port on a 2.x system so
they won't discover those ports that get it wrong.

Further, you'll need to get the proper Makefiles, as they've added a
few more flags that some ports set and the 2.2.x Makefiles don't
test.

However, a surprising number of the ports =will= build.  Those that
do not, you can unpack the distfile into /usr/local/src and try to
build it yourself.  You'll essentially be reproducing the effort of
the person who did the port to a later version.  Again, depending on
the attention to detail spent by the person who created the software
you're trying to build, this sometimes goes just fine.  Packages
that use "configure" usually fare better.

Finally, you could CVSup "ports-all" with a date that matches the
release of 2.2.8.  In other words, not the current tree, but as it
existed then.  You'll need "tag=."  and "date=1998.12.31.00.00.00" (or
something close to that) in your cvsupfile.  That will get you a set of
ports that will almost certainly build.  But you'll miss newly added
ports and bug fixes.

	-crl
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As I recall, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:02:04AM -0400, JDBitters@cs.com wrote:
>> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
>> 
>> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
>> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices...
> 
> Huh? A dangerously dedicated disk has no slices.

Sure it does.  Up to 15 of them.  What it doesn't have is
partitions.

	-crl
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As I recall, Allen Campbell wrote:
> I would kill for a kernel option that makes patching unnecessary but
> the attitude, as expressed above, that anything faster than a 386SX25
> can not possibly be too slow seems to preclude this.  I believe there
> is a shortage of under powered hardware among the developers.  Maybe
> that is a good thing.  :)

I don't think so.  One of the sources for hardware to run FreeBSD on
in the corporate world is the machines that are too slow to run the
current M$ offerings.  We've got a bunch of 486 machines doing
perfectly good work as nameservers, time servers, mail forwarders,
etc.  It's a =good= thing that FreeBSD uses a small hardware
footprint.

Worst case I've encountered (and it was more for the sport than
utility) was a Compaq 386/20 laptop with an 80meg hard drive and
8meg of RAM.  I loaded 2.1.7 on it over a laplink cable connecting
the parallel port to a running bigger system.  Worked fine.

I'm not saying FreeBSD shouldn't run on bigger iron, just that it's
good it doesn't need to.

	-crl
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Hi!

My understanding is:

a 'slice', in FreeBSD lingo is a 'Microsoft's partition', of which you can
only have FOUR (past the MBR and partition table).
FreeBSD partitions exist on a Microsoft slice, and you can have up to 8
FreeBSD partitions per slice.
So a 'dangerously dedicated disk', having nothing to do with Microsoft, has
essentially no slice, just partitions. Am I right?


But I find it confusing that FreeBSD uses the 's' of slice in its naming
terminology : '/dev/da0s1a' for instance, whilst other versions of BSD omit
the 'slice information' and would call the root file system '/dev/da0a'
instead. I understand that FreeBSD support this terminology too
('compatibility slice naming'), but it's all confusing for me: when
Microsoft 'partitions' are not there AT ALL (as it is the case in a
'dangerously dedicated disk'), why then use the term 'slice'?

Thomas Beauchamp
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As I recall, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:02:04AM -0400, JDBitters@cs.com wrote:
>> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
>>
>> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
>> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices...
>
> Huh? A dangerously dedicated disk has no slices.

Sure it does.  Up to 15 of them.  What it doesn't have is
partitions.

	-crl
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Subject: Re: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM
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As I recall, Thomas Beauchamp wrote:
> a 'slice', in FreeBSD lingo is a 'Microsoft's partition', of which you
> can only have FOUR (past the MBR and partition table).  FreeBSD
> partitions exist on a Microsoft slice, and you can have up to 8
> FreeBSD partitions per slice.  So a 'dangerously dedicated disk',
> having nothing to do with Microsoft, has essentially no slice, just
> partitions.  Am I right?

It =is= confusing.  Microsoft and the BIOS manufacturers don't even
use regular terminology.  There is some conflict within the FreeBSD
documentation (i.e. the handbook) even.

The "fdisk" program will allow you to create up to four different
thingies on the disk.  Let's call them partitions.

If you install Linux, a couple of them are pre-opted for the swap space
and for the filesystems.  If you install Windows, you can burn two or
more of them for the C: drive and then for "extended partitions" (D: and
beyond).  If you install FreeBSD, it wants one of them.

That one fdisk partition can then be broken into (up to) 15
thingies.  Let's call them slices.

The disklabel program will allow you to create the slices within the
FreeBSD partition.  One will probably be the primary swap space.
One will probably be the root filesystem.  The rest are pretty much
up to you.

There is a FreeBSD naming convention that will allow you access to
the "partitions" (as used here), in case you want to mount your
MS-DOS data onto your FreeBSD system.

Anyway, just be careful you know what the context is when you read
(or hear) the terms "partition" and "slice".  For this e-mail (and
possibly nowhere else), you can have four partitions and 15 slices.

	-crl
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> >  > Maybe.  silo overflows happen because the machine is too slow to
> >  > service the interrupt before the buffer overflows (but unless it is a
> >  > 386SX25 you should have enough CPU power).  It can also be caused by
> >  > baud rate mismatches, but that's fairly rare and unusual (you usually
> >  > get framing errors from a 16550A in this case).  This can also be
> >  > caused by other hardware misbehaving and blocking interrupts.
> > 
> > I ran a 386SX16 under DOS 5 / DESQView (~10 tasks in 6Mb) using David
> > Nugent's BNU FOSSIL driver as a Fidonet mailer/BBS for almost 9 years,
> > hardly ever seeing 16550A overflows at 14 byte thresholds, albeit 14.4k.
> 
> You actually run a 386SX25?  I have a 486/133 that has always
> experienced intense SILO overflows (yes, it is a true 16550, bought
> specifically to address this,) under FreeBSD.

Which version of FreeBSD?  I've been running (well, I quit the company,
but the box is still up) a 486/66 with 4 16550A's running full-blast @
115K on the modems with nary a problem.

The box is a firewall, DNS, email, and modem server for a small office,
and is working great.

The only modifications were to continually upgrade the software such as
BIND and SENDMAIL where remote root exploits were possible, but
otherwise it's a stock FreeBSD 2.2.8 system.  (No X, of course.)

> I suspect the problem is exasperated by PIO mode IDE and an ISA
> NE2000.  Anyhow, the threshold most definitely MUST be lowered when
> communicating at >50Kbps with my USR modem.

We're running the same setup (PIO IDE and a NE2000), and I've ran all 4
modems (2 USR Sportsters and 2 USR V.Everythings) full-blast one day to
see how well it would handle it.  Not once did it even hiccup or lose
packets.

> I would kill for a kernel option that makes patching unnecessary but
> the attitude, as expressed above, that anything faster than a 386SX25
> can not possibly be too slow seems to preclude this.

I'm with Rod Grimes in stating that something happened in later releases
of FreeBSD that makes this difficult or impossible.




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On Sat, 02 Sep 2000, Thomas Beauchamp wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> My understanding is:
> 
> a 'slice', in FreeBSD lingo is a 'Microsoft's partition', of which you can
> only have FOUR (past the MBR and partition table).
> FreeBSD partitions exist on a Microsoft slice, and you can have up to 8
> FreeBSD partitions per slice.
> So a 'dangerously dedicated disk', having nothing to do with Microsoft, has
> essentially no slice, just partitions. Am I right?
> 
> 
> But I find it confusing that FreeBSD uses the 's' of slice in its naming
> terminology : '/dev/da0s1a' for instance, whilst other versions of BSD omit
> the 'slice information' and would call the root file system '/dev/da0a'
> instead. I understand that FreeBSD support this terminology too
> ('compatibility slice naming'), but it's all confusing for me: when
> Microsoft 'partitions' are not there AT ALL (as it is the case in a
> 'dangerously dedicated disk'), why then use the term 'slice'?
> 
> Thomas Beauchamp
> New-B
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chad R. Larson
> Sent: 03 September 2000 01:57
> To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> Cc: JDBitters@cs.com; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: 4.1-STABLE BOOT SLICE PROBLEM
> 
> 
> As I recall, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:02:04AM -0400, JDBitters@cs.com wrote:
> >> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
> >>
> >> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
> >> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices...
> >
> > Huh? A dangerously dedicated disk has no slices.
> 
> Sure it does.  Up to 15 of them.  What it doesn't have is
> partitions.
> 
> 	-crl
> --
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> chad@dcfinc.com         chad@larsons.org          larson1@home.net
> DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207


See the Handbook, Section 2.4.2, where Microsoft "partitions" are discussed. 
Even though the BIOS - read Microsoft - partitions are limited to 4 primary
partitions, BSD's and Solaris's "slice" tables do not reside in the MBR, but
rather in the first sector of the partition on which BSD or Solaris resides. 
Partitions are configured with fdisk and slices are configured with disklabel. 
You should see what Linux 2.4.0-test7 reports as the geometry of my primary HD.
 Until I got rid of Solaris and used its space for FreeBSD and OpenBSD, I had
32 /dev/hda*.  Yes, it is confusing that FreeBSD uses 's' to designate
partitions.  Get used to it.

Dave


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Chad and David, thank you for your replies:

Chad R. Larson:
> That one fdisk partition can then be broken into (up to)
> 15 thingies.  Let's call them slices.

That's where I'm confused: I thought 'slice' was FreeBSD word for
'fdisk/Microsoft partition'?

Chad R. Larson:
> That one fdisk partition can then be broken into (up to) 15
> thingies.  Let's call them slices.
>
> The disklabel program will allow you to create the slices within the
> FreeBSD partition.  One will probably be the primary swap space.
> One will probably be the root filesystem.  The rest are pretty much
> up to you.

David Uhring:
> Partitions are configured with fdisk and slices are configured with
disklabel.

That's even more confusing as I though that that 'fdisk partition' would be
called a 'slice' in FreeBSD jargon and that disklabel progam will create
what FreeBSD calls 'partitions' as in 'partition a' for root file system,
'partition b' for swap space , etc ...

So, is the following correct?

For physical disk /dev/da0, we have for the 1st SLICE (Microsoft partition):

(raw access)
/dev/rda0s1                first slice
/dev/rda0s1a or /dev/rda0a partition a, usually root file system
/dev/rda0s1b or /dev/rda0b partition b, usually swap space
/dev/rda0c                 whole FreeBSD slice
/dev/rda0s1d or /dev/rda0d partition d
/dev/rda0s1e or /dev/rda0e partition e
/dev/rda0s1f or /dev/rda0f partition f
/dev/rda0s1g or /dev/rda0g partition g
/dev/rda0s1h or /dev/rda0h partition h

(block device)
/dev/da0s1                 first slice
/dev/da0s1a or /dev/da0a   partition a, usually root file system
/dev/da0s1b or /dev/da0b   partition b, usually swap space
/dev/da0c
/dev/da0s1d or /dev/da0d   partition d
/dev/da0s1e or /dev/da0e   partition e
/dev/da0s1f or /dev/da0f   partition f
/dev/da0s1g or /dev/da0g   partition g
/dev/da0s1h or /dev/da0h   partition h

and

/dev/rda0s2 or /dev/da0s2 for 2nd SLICE (Microsoft partition)
/dev/rda0s3 or /dev/da0s3 for 3rd SLICE (Microsoft partition)
/dev/rda0s4 or /dev/da0s4 for 4th SLICE (Microsoft partition)

and

/dev/rda0s5 or /dev/da0s5 for 1st drive in Microsoft Extended partition
/dev/rda0s6 or /dev/da0s6 for 2nd drive in Microsoft Extended partition
/dev/rda0s7 or /dev/da0s7 for 3rd drive in Microsoft Extended partition


Many thanks.

Thomas





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Chad R. Larson wrote:

> As I recall, Crist J . Clark wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 02, 2000 at 09:02:04AM -0400, JDBitters@cs.com wrote:
>>> Recently, I copied a 4.1-20000813-STABLE installation to a larger disk.
>>> 
>>> I used /stand/sysinstall to create a "dangerously dedicated" disk and to
>>> custom label it.  Thereafter, I mounted the new slices...
>> 
>> Huh? A dangerously dedicated disk has no slices.
> 
> Sure it does.  Up to 15 of them.  What it doesn't have is
> partitions.

You've got that the wrong way around.

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From owner-freebsd-stable  Sat Sep  2 20:38:53 2000
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Hi Siegbert,

Thank you for your comments.
I wonder why this terminology trouble has not been ironed out yet, as if
things were not confused enough ...

Thomas

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From: coocoo@rz.uni-ulm.de [mailto:coocoo@rz.uni-ulm.de]On Behalf Of
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Hi Thomas,

> That's where I'm confused: I thought 'slice' was FreeBSD word for
> 'fdisk/Microsoft partition'?
You´re right Thomas. Chad´s statements were confusing.

> That's even more confusing as I though that that 'fdisk partition' would
be
> called a 'slice' in FreeBSD jargon and that disklabel progam will create
> what FreeBSD calls 'partitions' as in 'partition a' for root file system,
> 'partition b' for swap space , etc ...

Again you´re right.




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kmays wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> Has anyone sat down and tested loading FreeBSD v4.1
> on IBM Thinkpads and other laptops?? I was looking into
> installing it on some of my older laptops and wondered what are the trails
> and errors in doing this.
> 

I have 4.1-STABLE running fine on my Sony Z505SX. X works fine at
1024x768, and sound works with only a small hack. APM also works great.
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Is anyone using this controller on 4-STABLE? It's not listed as
supported hardware on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-hw.html.
This will be a production box, so I'd rather stay away from -CURRENT, as
well as any beta drivers.
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Jim C. Nasby wrote:
> Is anyone using this controller on 4-STABLE? It's not listed as
> supported hardware on http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-hw.html.
> This will be a production box, so I'd rather stay away from -CURRENT,
> as well as any beta drivers.

You could just check the source you know.

The 'ida' driver in 4-STABLE and CURRENT is exactly the same (well, apart
from some small differences.)

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