From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 18 8:19: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7262637B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:18:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21237 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2IGK7V29720 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:20:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:09:52 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: BSDcon 2001? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looking at http://www.bsdcon.org, I don't see even a hint about a 2001 event (e.g., location, dates, CFP). Nor have I seen anything in the assorted BSD-related venues I peruse. Wazzup? -r -- -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm email: rdm@cfcl.com phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 18 14:16:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF0A37B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2ILhHA59165; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:43:18 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103182143.f2ILhHA59165@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Rich Morin Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:43:17 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: BSDcon 2001? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18 Mar 2001, at 8:09, Rich Morin wrote: > Looking at http://www.bsdcon.org, I don't see even a hint about a > 2001 event (e.g., location, dates, CFP). Nor have I seen anything > in the assorted BSD-related venues I peruse. Wazzup? AFAIK, there is none planned. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 18 14:19:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2468A37B71D for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA37962; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2ILq9V32289; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:52:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103182143.f2ILhHA59165@ns1.unixathome.org> References: <200103182143.f2ILhHA59165@ns1.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:40:22 -0800 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: Re: BSDcon 2001? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 9:43 AM +1200 3/19/01, Dan Langille wrote: >On 18 Mar 2001, at 8:09, Rich Morin wrote: > >> Looking at http://www.bsdcon.org, I don't see even a hint about a >> 2001 event (e.g., location, dates, CFP). Nor have I seen anything >> in the assorted BSD-related venues I peruse. Wazzup? > >AFAIK, there is none planned. I have been informed, off-list, that a BSD conference is being planned for early 2002. To avoid rocking the boat, I won't give out any specifics; perhaps someone involved will be able to post more information... -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm - home page, resume, etc. http://www.cfcl.com/Meta/md_fb.html - The FreeBSD Browser email: rdm@cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 18 18:49:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959BB37B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA80405; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:49:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org Subject: Eastercon From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 19 Mar 2001 03:49:40 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll be at Eastercon this Easter, so if anybody else is attending, drop me a note (or leave a message on the voodoo board when you get there) and we can try to meet up for a few drinks. For those of you who don't know what Eastercon is, it's the British National Science Fiction Convention (and Europe's largest SF con, I believe) held in a different venue every Easter. This year's Eastercon is called Paragon; more information is available on their website: http://www.keepsake-web.co.uk/paragon/ I'll be in Hinckley from around noon on April 13th 'till early on the 17th (my plane back leaves at 17:00; I'll probably pop by London for a few hours on my way back) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 18 21:28:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cr300278-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com (cr300278-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.138.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAB5C37B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff@tabcrawler.com) From: "Jeff Doucette" Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:53:21 -0600 X-Mailer: STMP Sender To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hey Message-Id: <20010319052810.EAB5C37B719@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Guys, I have an auction on Dell Poweredge Ram, low price: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1222481574 Also, if you need PC-133 Infineon Ram, I sell it for $52.00 Have a great day, try not to work too hard..:) -Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 1:32: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0623637B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:32:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f2J9W2r50925 ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:32:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id KAA23348 ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:32:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:32:01 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Brad Knowles Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Illegal prime (was Re: signature) Message-ID: <20010319103201.G21938@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Brad Knowles , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200103141336.f2EDaZ215574@ns1.unixathome.org>; <20010314153955.A17985@rapier.smartspace.co.za> <200103141342.f2EDga215670@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010314154654.A18459@rapier.smartspace.co.za> <20010315145452.C33560@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from brad.knowles@skynet.be on Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 10:58:11PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just saw this on Slashdot today. The world's first illegal prime? http://www.utm.edu/research/primes//curios/48565...29443.html R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 9:28:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA3537B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:28:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11457; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:36 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319102021.04b44570@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:28:17 -0700 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Eastercon Cc: freebsd-users@uk.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I understand that this convention is in Hinckley, Leicestershire, where there are (or were) many cattle. I and a few friends were considering attending, but if we went to a convention in rural England, they might not let us back into the US (or, certainly, Wyoming or Colorado) even if we sterilize our shoes! We'll have to give the UK a miss until this subsides. --Brett At 07:49 PM 3/18/2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >I'll be at Eastercon this Easter, so if anybody else is attending, >drop me a note (or leave a message on the voodoo board when you get >there) and we can try to meet up for a few drinks. > >For those of you who don't know what Eastercon is, it's the British >National Science Fiction Convention (and Europe's largest SF con, I >believe) held in a different venue every Easter. This year's Eastercon >is called Paragon; more information is available on their website: > >http://www.keepsake-web.co.uk/paragon/ > >I'll be in Hinckley from around noon on April 13th 'till early on the >17th (my plane back leaves at 17:00; I'll probably pop by London for a >few hours on my way back) > >DES >-- >Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 14:20:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cartier.cirx.org (cartier.cirx.org [211.72.15.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D80F37B71A; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clive@CirX.ORG) Received: from cartier.cirx.org (nullmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cartier.cirx.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2JMKS794702; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:20:30 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from clive@CirX.ORG) Received: (nullmailer pid 94683 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:20:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:20:27 +0800 From: Clive Lin To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Jean-Marc Zucconi , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/x11/XFree86-4 Makefile distinfo pkg-plistpkg-plist.alpha pkg-plist.pc98 ports/x11/XFree86-4/files patch-dpatch-xthreads ports/x11/XFree86-4/scripts configure Message-ID: <20010320062027.A86001@cartier.cirx.org> References: <200103180320.f2I3KvI95990@freefall.freebsd.org> <3AB5CD9E.5C20D418@FreeBSD.org> <200103191833.f2JIX7G70854@freefall.freebsd.org> <3AB659B0.5F06DA2A@FreeBSD.org> <20010319160401.A14817@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010319160401.A14817@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:04:01PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [move to -chat] On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:04:01PM -0600, Michael C . Wu wrote: > P.S. please wrap email at 70 characters per line... mutt.el does this excellently, even when I'm writing Chinese emails. I use this whenever I'm composing emails by mutt/emacs, and I don't care about when should I hit the ENTER key. It just naturally happens :-) I don't know where the original site is now. It's just vaporized. http://www.randomhacks.com/~emk/mutt.html Now I've put a copy on http://people.freebsd.org/~clive/dist/ -- pub 1024D/F8D2B472 2000-08-05 Clive Lin Key fingerprint = 7F9D 57A8 55C7 AA18 49B5 3820 570B 27F6 F8D2 B472 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 17:19:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A0737B720 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17096 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:17:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:16:48 -0700 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Would you trust this man with your life? Unbelievable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?print=1&guid={BAF153AC-EAF5-4449-8DC8-C837376B5912}&siteid=mktw Microsoft unveils awaited software By Mike Tarsala, CBS.MarketWatch.com Last Update: 5:07 PM ET Mar 19, 2001 REDMOND, Wash. (CBS.MW) - Bill Gates is trying to convince anyone who's ever filled out a form on the Internet to trust him with their lives - and pay his company for it. Gates unveiled Internet-based software Monday that lets people store and manage their personal records [making] the world's largest software company a central repository for storing credit card numbers, birth records and other types of personal information. The company will charge a to-be-determined monthly fee for the service. Code-named Hailstorm ... ... The software keeps people from having to root through file cabinets any time they want to make a big-ticket purchase, file a medical claim or apply for a loan. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 18:20:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (erie.mooseriver.com [205.166.121.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0B737B72D for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f2K2KRP05553; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:20:27 -0800 From: Josef Grosch To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would you trust this man with your life? Unbelievable Message-ID: <20010319182027.B5454@mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:16:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:16:48PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?print=1&guid={BAF153AC-EAF5-4449-8DC8-C837376B5912}&siteid=mktw > > Microsoft unveils awaited software > By Mike Tarsala, CBS.MarketWatch.com > Last Update: 5:07 PM ET Mar 19, 2001 > > REDMOND, Wash. (CBS.MW) - Bill Gates is trying to convince > anyone who's ever filled out a form on the Internet to trust > him with their lives - and pay his company for it. > > Gates unveiled Internet-based software Monday that lets people > store and manage their personal records [making] the world's > largest software company a central repository for storing credit > card numbers, birth records and other types of personal > information. The company will charge a to-be-determined monthly > fee for the service. > > Code-named Hailstorm ... > > ... The software keeps people from having to root through file > cabinets any time they want to make a big-ticket purchase, file > a medical claim or apply for a loan. Given Microsoft's experience and track record in networking and security issues I wouldn't trust them to keep track of my lunch dates. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 4.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 19:32:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailin9.bigpond.com (juicer34.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7AF37B728 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:32:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gavin@itworks.com.au) Received: from chip.itworks.com.au ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin9.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GACKDO00.JD0 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:01:00 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-139-251.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.139.251]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Dynamic-MailRouter V2.9c 9/6328871); 18 Mar 2001 00:55:47 Received: (qmail 26071 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2001 14:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavin) (192.168.1.100) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 17 Mar 2001 14:57:54 -0000 Message-ID: <036301c0aef2$6d0ad900$6401a8c0@itworks.com.au> From: "Gavin Cameron" To: , "Brad Knowles" References: <012301c0ae81$c390e100$6401a8c0@itworks.com.au> Subject: Re: Getting IBM to release software for IBM Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 01:56:18 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > IBM already use FreeBSD in their InterJet appliance so full support of > > FreeBSD would be a logical progression. > > That's only because they bought the company lock, stock, and barrel. > > I'm told that certain IBM Netfinity servers running FreeBSD can > replace Sun machines costing hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not > millions of dollars) more, at least in certain applications. But do > you honestly think that this is going to be enough to convince them > to divert money away from Linux support? I don't think so. > If we ask, the worst they can say is no. If enough people ask then you never know what they'll do. Cheers Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 20: 7:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED8D37B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:07:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA38629; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:06:57 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:06:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: Josef Grosch Cc: Brett Glass , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would you trust this man with your life? Unbelievable In-Reply-To: <20010319182027.B5454@mooseriver.com> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Josef Grosch wrote: > Given Microsoft's experience and track record in networking and security > issues I wouldn't trust them to keep track of my lunch dates. That's one sure fire diet plan... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 19 21:52:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D8537B719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19441; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:50:00 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319224603.00d6d840@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:49:34 -0700 To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Would you trust this man with your life? Unbelievable Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010319182027.B5454@mooseriver.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:20 PM 3/19/2001, Josef Grosch wrote: >Given Microsoft's experience and track record in networking and security >issues I wouldn't trust them to keep track of my lunch dates. Oh, they'd just buy up all the restaurants, so they'd know where you ate and could sell the information to the highest bidder. Or perhaps, while you were eating, your fork would stand up and say, "I see you're trying to eat a meal. Would you like help?" [SFX: Toingggggggg! As the fork impales itself in the wall across the room.] --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 7:37:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E2237B71E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:37:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2KFb6h77179; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would you trust this man with your life? Unbelievable In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010319181515.04bc14f0@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Talk about an appealing hacker target. Hope they're not running Windows NT without all the patches installed [like all those online stores]. Mind you, the big fear here is not necessarily the OS, merely the concentration of all the data in a nice, convenient, package. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote: > http://cbs.marketwatch.com/news/story.asp?print=1&guid={BAF153AC-EAF5-4449-8DC8-C837376B5912}&siteid=mktw > > Microsoft unveils awaited software > By Mike Tarsala, CBS.MarketWatch.com > Last Update: 5:07 PM ET Mar 19, 2001 > > REDMOND, Wash. (CBS.MW) - Bill Gates is trying to convince > anyone who's ever filled out a form on the Internet to trust > him with their lives - and pay his company for it. > > Gates unveiled Internet-based software Monday that lets people > store and manage their personal records [making] the world's > largest software company a central repository for storing credit > card numbers, birth records and other types of personal > information. The company will charge a to-be-determined monthly > fee for the service. > > Code-named Hailstorm ... > > ... The software keeps people from having to root through file > cabinets any time they want to make a big-ticket purchase, file > a medical claim or apply for a loan. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 10:39:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981E637B71B; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f2KIbdK23704; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:37:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:37:39 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "David E. O'Brien" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/www/links/files patch-default.c Message-ID: <20010320103739.A29888@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200103201733.f2KHXwj76220@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103201733.f2KHXwj76220@freefall.freebsd.org>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:33:58AM -0800 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * David E. O'Brien [010320 09:34] wrote: > obrien 2001/03/20 09:33:58 PST > > Added files: > www/links/files patch-default.c > Log: > Remove the damn fscking error bell chimed when ~/.links/.links.cfg > is missing and could not be created. This is driving me nuts during > make release. http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/95q2/bugrpt.html -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 13:40:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C340337B720; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=DENDENNIS) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14fTqK-0008L4-01; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:39:04 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: Cc: Subject: RE: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:39:06 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200103202126.f2KLQJb75718@ns1.unixathome.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org :: Not from the lists, but I have noticed a dramatic increase in :: spam levels :: over the past two weeks or so. Especially on old email addresses :: which I no longer use. Whereas I used to get one or two a week on that :: address, I'm now getting 2 or 3 a day. :: :: Anyone else noticed similar things? I've noticed lots on my ancient MSN account (I was on the original beta, and have had it since). Looks like I'll be forced to close it down which is sort of sad. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 14:51:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gdmckee.local (pc-62-30-209-11-so.blueyonder.co.uk [62.30.209.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E3937B71C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:51:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gdmckee.com) Received: from [192.168.0.5] (helo=p300) by gdmckee.local with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14fUxv-000IE4-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:50:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c0b190$53c4fe80$0500a8c0@gdmckee.local> From: "G D McKee" To: , "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: References: <200103202126.f2KLQJb75718@ns1.unixathome.org> Subject: Re: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:51:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Defiantly getting more spam on the stable mailing list. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Langille" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) > This thread should move to freebsd-chat, reply-to set accordingly. > > On 20 Mar 2001, at 14:52, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I've been getting a lot of spam lately from all the freebsd lists, anyone > > notice that? > > Not from the lists, but I have noticed a dramatic increase in spam levels > over the past two weeks or so. Especially on old email addresses > which I no longer use. Whereas I used to get one or two a week on that > address, I'm now getting 2 or 3 a day. > > Anyone else noticed similar things? > > -- > Dan Langille > pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php > got any work? I'm looking for some. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 15: 7:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.nameplanet.com (mx1.nameplanet.com [213.203.30.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D0CCC37B71D for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nickhead@folino.com) Received: 20 Mar 2001 23:07:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www3.nameplanet.com) (192.168.2.43) by mail with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 23:07:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 26882 invoked by uid 400); 20 Mar 2001 23:07:49 -0000 Date: 20 Mar 2001 23:07:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20010320230749.26881.qmail@www3.nameplanet.com> From: nickhead@folino.com To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Which is worse - dealing with one spam on a list or dealing with the 30 "damn spammers" messages that it generates? Let's get over it guys!! On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:51:40 -0000 "G D McKee" wrote: >Hi > >Defiantly getting more spam on the stable mailing list. > >Gordon >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Dan Langille" >To: "David W. Chapman Jr." >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:26 PM >Subject: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that >came through) > > >> This thread should move to freebsd-chat, reply-to set accordingly. >> >> On 20 Mar 2001, at 14:52, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: >> >> > I've been getting a lot of spam lately from all the freebsd lists, >anyone >> > notice that? >> >> Not from the lists, but I have noticed a dramatic increase in spam levels >> over the past two weeks or so. Especially on old email addresses >> which I no longer use. Whereas I used to get one or two a week on that >> address, I'm now getting 2 or 3 a day. >> >> Anyone else noticed similar things? >> >> -- >> Dan Langille >> pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php >> got any work? I'm looking for some. >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Get your firstname@lastname email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 15: 8:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFD137B71B for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:08:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2KN8H010298; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: freebsd@gdmckee.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, dwcjr@inethouston.net Subject: Re: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) In-Reply-To: <000f01c0b190$53c4fe80$0500a8c0@gdmckee.local> References: <200103202126.f2KLQJb75718@ns1.unixathome.org> <000f01c0b190$53c4fe80$0500a8c0@gdmckee.local> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010320150817N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:08:17 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 8 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GUYS, this is RIDICULOUS. I'm getting far more spam about spam than I'm getting actual spam! Why do you people feel compelled to discuss this in -stable? I've removed it from this reply. Please take it to -chat - you're part of the problem now! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 17:46: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC1137B73D for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:45:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2L1hwb77129; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:43:59 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103210143.f2L1hwb77129@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: nickhead@folino.com Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:43:58 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: increased spam levels (was Re: Spam Avenger and Toner spam that came through) Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010320230749.26881.qmail@www3.nameplanet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20 Mar 2001, at 23:07, nickhead@folino.com wrote: > Which is worse - dealing with one spam on a list or dealing with the 30 "damn > spammers" messages that it generates? or those complaining about a thread on -chat dealing with increased spam levels. > Let's get over it guys!! We are over it. We're just waiting for you to catch up. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 18:13:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CA9137B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: (qmail 83448 invoked by uid 0); 21 Mar 2001 02:11:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.218.17) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 21 Mar 2001 02:11:31 -0000 Message-ID: <3AB80DB2.F770341@uwi.tt> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:10:58 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan - Home Organization: COSTAATT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: _FreeBSD-Chat Subject: IP Masquerade & NAT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IP Masquerade & NAT: are those two things exactly the same and why two different terms? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 18:23:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from itouch.co.nz (itouch.co.nz [203.99.66.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A039637B719 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:23:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonc@itouch.co.nz) Received: (from jonc@localhost) by itouch.co.nz (8.11.2/8.11.1) id f2L2KaI74286; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:20:36 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:20:36 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: Dale Chulhan - Home Cc: _FreeBSD-Chat Subject: Re: IP Masquerade & NAT Message-ID: <20010321142036.B73944@itouchnz.itouch> References: <3AB80DB2.F770341@uwi.tt> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB80DB2.F770341@uwi.tt>; from dchulhan@uwi.tt on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:10:58PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:10:58PM -0400, Dale Chulhan - Home wrote: > IP Masquerade & NAT: > > are those two things exactly the same and why two different terms? The only time I've heard "IP Masquerade" is when I'm dealing with Linux. NAT is what I think everyone else uses. -- Jonathan Chen Once is dumb luck. Twice is coincidence. Three times and Somebody Is Trying To Tell You Something. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 20 19:17:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A030137B72E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:17:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by server.highperformance.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2L3Gu146090; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) X-Authentication-Warning: server.highperformance.net: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@server.highperformance.net To: Dale Chulhan - Home Cc: _FreeBSD-Chat Subject: Re: IP Masquerade & NAT In-Reply-To: <3AB80DB2.F770341@uwi.tt> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dale Chulhan - Home wrote: > IP Masquerade & NAT: > > are those two things exactly the same and why two different terms? NAT is what everyone except Linuxites calls address translation. These two things aren't excactly the same. They are functionally similar. As to why the different terms, ask the Linux weenies. Later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 5:19:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from superconductor.rush.net (superconductor.rush.net [208.9.155.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D019537B744 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:19:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trish@listmistress.org) Received: from localhost (trish@localhost) by superconductor.rush.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2LDI2l18979; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:18:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 08:18:01 -0500 (EST) From: Mistress Trish X-Sender: trish@superconductor.rush.net To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Dale Chulhan - Home , _FreeBSD-Chat Subject: Re: IP Masquerade & NAT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > These two things aren't excactly the same. They are functionally > similar. As to why the different terms, ask the Linux weenies. > I said this to one of my friends last night: "We're linux people. Standards? what are standards?" -Trish __ Trish Lynch FreeBSD - The Power to Serve trish@bsdunix.net New England Area BSD Users Group trish@neabug.org Listar Core Committee www.listar.org List Mistress BDSM Community List Project trish@listmistress.org AilleCat @ IRC AilleCat @ Slashdot AilleCat @ AIM http://www.advogato.com/person/AilleCat/ --- "Guilty by design, She's nothing more than fiction, She dreams in digital." -Orgy, Fiction (Dreams in Digital) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 13:30:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (inch.demon.co.uk [194.222.223.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DBC37B71F for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:30:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14eHNq-0001ro-00; Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:08:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:08:42 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Terry Lambert Cc: Brad Knowles , Rahul Siddharthan , Neil Blakey-Milner , Dan Langille , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: signature (was Re: copyright issues regarding FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010317140842.D385@hand.dotat.at> References: <200103152232.PAA23599@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103152232.PAA23599@usr05.primenet.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert wrote: > >Heh... quoting from the referenced article: > >| The DMCA prohibits anyone from publishing or publicly >| distributing any hardware or software that "is primarily >| designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing >| protection afforded by a technological measure that >| effectively protects a right of a copyright owner." > >So if the technological measure is ineffective, then it's OK >to publish and publically distribute it, right? Unfortunately I think they are using "effectively" in the sense "in effect" rather than "efficatiously". Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@covalent.net dot@dotat.at SOUTH SHANNON: EASTERLY 5 OR 6. OCCASIONAL RAIN. MAINLY MODERATE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 14:40:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.well.com (smtp.well.com [208.178.101.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E9237B71E for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:40:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from howardjp@well.com) Received: from well.com (howardjp@well.com [208.178.101.2]) by smtp.well.com (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA23348 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by well.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08624 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:40:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:40:49 -0800 (PST) From: James Howard To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oh no, you killed Beastie! You bastards! http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 14:43:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D25337B719 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2LMhTb84823; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:43:30 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: James Howard Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:43:29 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Mar 2001, at 14:40, James Howard wrote: > Oh no, you killed Beastie! You bastards! > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 I like it. p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 14:59:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from inconnu.isu.edu (inconnu.isu.edu [134.50.8.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FB337B720 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:59:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from galt@inconnu.isu.edu) Received: from localhost (galt@localhost) by inconnu.isu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18723; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:58:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:58:37 -0700 (MST) From: John Galt To: Dan Langille Cc: James Howard , Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-Reply-To: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> Message-ID: Copies-to: galt@inconnu.isu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: >On 21 Mar 2001, at 14:40, James Howard wrote: > >> Oh no, you killed Beastie! You bastards! >> >> http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 > >I like it. > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy of the general media > -- EMACS == Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping Who is John Galt? galt@inconnu.isu.edu, that's who! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 18: 8:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net [207.44.96.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 551ED37B719 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tms2@mail.ptd.net) Received: (qmail 11668 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 02:08:04 -0000 Received: from mail2.ha-net.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([207.44.96.66]) (envelope-sender ) by smtpf.ha-net.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2001 02:08:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 3211 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 02:08:02 -0000 Received: from du24.cli.ptd.net (HELO mail.ptd.net) ([204.186.33.24]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.ptd.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 22 Mar 2001 02:08:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3AB95E29.DD4E715@mail.ptd.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:06:33 -0500 From: "Thomas M. Sommers" Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dan@langille.org Cc: James Howard , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: > > On 21 Mar 2001, at 14:40, James Howard wrote: > > > Oh no, you killed Beastie! You bastards! > > > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 > > I like it. > > p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... Not to be confused with Foot In Mouth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 18:32:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B30837B71F for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:32:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2M2WKb87061; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:32:20 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: John Galt Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:32:19 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: James Howard , References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > > >On 21 Mar 2001, at 14:40, James Howard wrote: > > > >> Oh no, you killed Beastie! You bastards! > >> > >> http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3ab0d5c7-0143fc00 > > > >I like it. > > > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > > It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy > of the general media Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always been termed F&T around here. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 19:25: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from infofin.com (infofin.com [63.83.141.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB4137B71F for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:24:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com ([202.95.108.218]) by infofin.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA11502; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:59:30 -0500 Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2J5T2A28363; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:59:02 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:59:02 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Rich Morin Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: BSDcon 2001? Message-ID: <20010319155902.A27970@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <200103182143.f2ILhHA59165@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010211094956.A35637@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200102131800.KAA65046@beastie.mckusick.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from rdm@cfcl.com on Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:40:22PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 18 March 2001 at 13:40:22 -0800, Rich Morin wrote: > At 9:43 AM +1200 3/19/01, Dan Langille wrote: >> On 18 Mar 2001, at 8:09, Rich Morin wrote: >> >>> Looking at http://www.bsdcon.org, I don't see even a hint about a >>> 2001 event (e.g., location, dates, CFP). Nor have I seen anything >>> in the assorted BSD-related venues I peruse. Wazzup? >> >> AFAIK, there is none planned. > > I have been informed, off-list, that a BSD conference is being planned for > early 2002. To avoid rocking the boat, I won't give out any specifics; > perhaps someone involved will be able to post more information... Indeed. USENIX has agreed to host the con. I don't understand the perceived need for secrecy, but that's how I got it too. Here's a reply from Kirk McKusick, which should explain most things. On Tuesday, 13 February 2001 at 10:00:09 -0800, Kirk McKusick wrote: > Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 09:49:56 +1030 > From: Greg Lehey > To: Kirk McKusick > Subject: USENIX sponsoring BSDCon? > > I was talking to Maddog Hall last month, and he told me that you had > asked the USENIX committee to sponsor future BSDCons. I think that's > a great idea, especially since it looks as if USENIX is going to do > it. But I was a little surprised, since I thought we would have heard > it earlier. I was going to discuss it in the FreeBSD core team, but > Maddog suggested I clear it with you first. Is there a need for > secrecy? > > There is no need for secrecy. I have been holding off on making > a wider announcement until I had a bit more information (like > date and location). Usenix is looking at a late February or > early March 2002 date in either Oakland CA or San Diego CA. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 19:59:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-76-236.knology.net [24.214.76.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266AF37B729 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:59:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M3xke61021; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:59:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200103220359.f2M3xke61021@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3 RELEASE schedule In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:54:15 PST." <20010321185415B.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:59:46 -0600 From: David Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] Jordan Hubbard writes: > > I assume we are now offically in RC mode? And as such this now applies? > > > > > I will also categorically state, however, that when I release the RC > > > this time it will be a definite *RELEASE CANDIDATE*. This means that > > > nothing but the most critical last-minute release bogons will be fixed > > > between RC and -release. > > Close. All that will apply just as soon as I release the first RC, > something which is still a few days off but I figured we should start > slowing down and preparing for it now. Is it pure coincidence that FreeBSD is producing a new release on essentially the same weekend as MacOS X is released? :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 21:28:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D9537B71D for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M5SL012444; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:28:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3 RELEASE schedule In-Reply-To: <200103220359.f2M3xke61021@grumpy.dyndns.org> References: <200103220359.f2M3xke61021@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321212820G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:28:20 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Absolutely! :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 21 22:27: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (grouter.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A1E37B71C for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Received: from grondar.za (root@gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2M6QAf48267; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:26:13 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200103220626.f2M6QAf48267@gratis.grondar.za> To: John Galt Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! References: In-Reply-To: ; from John Galt "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:58:37 MST." Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:27:14 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > > It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy > of the general media Maybe not in America, but in the commonwealth "Foot & Mouth" is the usual name, and "Hoof & Mouth" somewhat rare. M -- Mark Murray Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 1:37:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gate.consol.de (gate.consol.de [194.221.87.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12EB537B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:37:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Michael.Elbel@consol.com) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: Michael.Elbel@consol.com (at relayer gate.consol.de) Received: from msgsrv.bb.consol.de (msgsrv.bb.consol.de [10.250.0.100]) by gate.consol.de (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2M9bLj44524; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Michael.Elbel@consol.com) Received: from vscanner.bb.consol.de (root@vscanner.bb.consol.de [10.250.0.120]) by msgsrv.bb.consol.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06493; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:37:20 +0100 Received: from fourier.int.consol.de (fourier.int.consol.de [10.0.1.17]) by vscanner.bb.consol.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09515; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:36:37 +0100 Received: (from me@localhost) by fourier.int.consol.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2M9aaq77721; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:36:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from me) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:36:36 +0100 X-Amavis-approved: Yes From: Michael Elbel To: dchulhan@uwi.tt Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IP Masquerade & NAT Message-ID: <20010322103636.A77386@consol.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In lists.freebsd.chat you write: >IP Masquerade & NAT: >are those two things exactly the same and why two different terms? I've always explained IP masquerading to be a subset of NAT. NAT is translating
: to
: and back, for possibly more than one set of ranges. Range B need not be range A for both addresses and ports. If you translate
: to : and only do it once you get IP masquerading, i.e. a whole net hiding behind a single address. Maybe the LINUX folks now are able to masquerade to more than one address, who knows. Michael -- \|/ -O- Michael Elbel, ConSol* GmbH, - me@consol.de - 089 / 45841-256 /|\ Fermentation fault (coors dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 3:29:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fling.sanbi.ac.za (fling.sanbi.ac.za [196.38.142.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D714237B71A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 03:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johann@egenetics.com) Received: from johann by fling.sanbi.ac.za with local (Exim 3.13 #4) id 14g3HA-000IQE-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:29:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:29:08 +0200 From: Johann Visagie To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 2001 Message-ID: <20010322132908.P65109@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In July 2000 I posted to these lists about the Bioinformatics Open Source Conference (BOSC) 2000, which was held in San Diego last August. I'll not repeat what I posted then - you can read it here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=100577+0+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/freebsd-chat/20000730.freebsd-chat For even more info, see the article that Trish Lynch wrote for Open Magazine which was recently republished in the FreeBSD 'zine: http://www.freebsdzine.org/200103/science.php3 Anyone who has not been living under a rock this past year :) should have an idea that the biosciences are gearing up to be one of the premier fields of human scientific endeavour for the forseeable future, now that the "post-genome era" is upon us. To reiterate some of the points I made last year: - Biocomputing is still an almost 100% Unix-dominated field. - It's already a big field, and destined to be HUGE. - Of course, therefore, open source operating systems and tools are coming to play an increasingly important part. Companies like Incyte regularly get PR mileage out of their massive Linux clusters. - Hence this is one area where BSD in general and FreeBSD in particular should be actively advocated, IMHO. And this year I'll add another point: - While dot.coms are slumping, many genomics firms are now seeing their stock price do what internet startups did some five years back. Following my postings last year, Jordan graciously offered to contact the BOSC organisers and supply free FreeBSD CDs to conference-goers. Let me tell you, those CDs wer a hit! :-) BOSC is still a smallish conference, and if your conference pack consists of one folder with some boring documentation and a shiny new shrink-wrapped CD, that CD is bound to draw attention. I did my bit, parading around in my Beastie T-shirt and offering installation help to anyone who seemed to be scrutinising the CD curiously. I had to compete with a large contingent sporting Tux paraphernalia (and one OpenBSD T-shirt, at least). FreeBSD's increasingly mature support for the Alpha platform is a drawcard, I believe. SGI has always been and still is a major player in the bioinfor- matics field, but while that company is having its problems Compaq is stepping into the breach, selling many Alpha boxes (particularly in Japan, we've found). At the conference last year Alpha CDs were in almost as much demand as i386 ones. The small but steadily growing community of people who use FreeBSD in bioinformatics and other biocomputing fields has not been sitting still either. We have set up a mailing list: http://www.plig.net/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-bio ... and we're steadily adding more and more relevant ports to the "biology" category of the ports tree. Maintaining the FreeBSD ports has led me to become more involved with some of these open source development efforts (and in some cases to try to steer them gently away from a single-platform, NIH scenario). At any rate, attached is the announcement for BOSC 2001, which will be held in Copenhagen, Denmark. Please spread the word to the BSD community. :-) -- Johann ----- Forwarded message from Ewan Birney ----- > From: Ewan Birney > Subject: [Bioperl-l] BOSC meeting announcement > To: bioperl-l@bioperl.org, "'biojava-l@biojava.org'" , > biopython@biopython.org, biocorba-l@biocorba.org, emboss-dev@embnet.org > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:55:45 +0000 (GMT) > > > BOSC 2001 (http://www.open-bio.org/bosc2001/) > --------------------------------------------- > > We are pleased to announce that the Bioinformatics Open Source > Conference (BOSC2001) is now open for registration. Please see the > web site at http://www.open-bio.org/bosc2001/ for complete details. > Like last year, BOSC is running as a satellite meeting to ISMB, allowing > those traveling to Copenhagen to attend both meetings. > > KEY DATES: > Deadline for BOSC registration June 19, 2001 > BOSC2001 July 19-20 > ISMB tutorials July 21 > ISMB main sessions July 22-25 > > This year, BOSC will be organized around existing open source > bioinformatics projects such as Biojava, Bioperl, Biopython, EMBOSS and > others. The mornings will feature presentations drawn from submitted > abstracts. During the afternoons there will be a chance for collaborative > coding (desktop machines provided courtsey of Sun and there will also be > ethernet hubs), and the ability to have small, across-group meetings. The > leaders of most of the open source projects are expected to be there and > based on previous years we expect a good attendance of open source > bioinformaticians. > > BOSC will be held in parallel with the BioPathways Consortium meeting > (see www.biopathways.org for more details). Close cooperation and joint > registration will allow attendees to participate in both events. ----- End forwarded message ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 5:34:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259FF37B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2MDY8T26119; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:34:08 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:17:40 +0100 To: dan@langille.org, John Galt From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Cc: James Howard , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 2:32 PM +1200 3/22/01, Dan Langille wrote: > Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always > been termed F&T around here. In Europe, all references to it that I've seen have been to "Foot and Mouth Disease" or "FMD". Of course, it only affects animals with cloven hooves (e.g., pigs & cows), but I guess having them call it "Cloven Hoof and Mouth Disease" or "CHMD" is expecting too much. ;-) -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* */ /* Thanks to Phil Carmody for additional tweaks. */ /* */ /* Length: 434 bytes (excluding unnecessary newlines) */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ #define m(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< unsigned char x[5],y,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1,s ,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=m(1)17^256+m(0)8,k=m(2)0,j=m(4)17^m(3)9^k *2-k%8^8,a=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;j*=2)a=a*2^i&1,i=i/2^j&1<<24;for(j=127;++jy)c+=y=i^i/8^i>>4^i>>12,i=i>>8^y<<17,a^=a>>14,y=a^a*8^a<<6,a=a>>8^y<<9,k=s [j],k="7Wo~'G_\216"[k&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[k>>4]*2^k*257/8,s[j]=k^(k&k*2&34) *6^c+~y;}} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 5:35: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from riker.skynet.be (riker.skynet.be [195.238.3.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C730037B71E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:34:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [194.78.241.123] ([194.78.241.123]) by riker.skynet.be (8.11.2/8.11.2/Skynet-OUT-2.11) with ESMTP id f2MDYAT26151; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:34:10 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010322132908.P65109@fling.sanbi.ac.za> References: <20010322132908.P65109@fling.sanbi.ac.za> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:21:31 +0100 To: Johann Visagie , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Bioinformatics Open Source Conference, 2001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:29 PM +0200 3/22/01, Johann Visagie wrote: > - While dot.coms are slumping, many genomics firms are now seeing their stock > price do what internet startups did some five years back. Hmm. Got any pointers to any genomics firms in Europe (especially Belgium) that may be hiring? I'm looking for work, and I've got large-scale systems experience from the years I spent at AOL, and I'd be very interested in any kind of Unix-related large-scale work in other fields (including genomics, the new "grid" network, etc...). Thanks! -- Brad Knowles, /* efdtt.c Author: Charles M. Hannum */ /* */ /* Thanks to Phil Carmody for additional tweaks. */ /* */ /* Length: 434 bytes (excluding unnecessary newlines) */ /* */ /* Usage is: cat title-key scrambled.vob | efdtt >clear.vob */ /* where title-key = "153 2 8 105 225" or other similar 5-byte key */ #define m(i)(x[i]^s[i+84])<< unsigned char x[5],y,s[2048];main(n){for(read(0,x,5);read(0,s,n=2048);write(1,s ,n))if(s[y=s[13]%8+20]/16%4==1){int i=m(1)17^256+m(0)8,k=m(2)0,j=m(4)17^m(3)9^k *2-k%8^8,a=0,c=26;for(s[y]-=16;--c;j*=2)a=a*2^i&1,i=i/2^j&1<<24;for(j=127;++jy)c+=y=i^i/8^i>>4^i>>12,i=i>>8^y<<17,a^=a>>14,y=a^a*8^a<<6,a=a>>8^y<<9,k=s [j],k="7Wo~'G_\216"[k&7]+2^"cr3sfw6v;*k+>/n."[k>>4]*2^k*257/8,s[j]=k^(k&k*2&34) *6^c+~y;}} To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 6: 7:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.opus.co.tt (mail.opus.co.tt [196.3.136.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D208437B71E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:07:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from openaccess03 (unverified [196.3.136.186]) by mail.opus.co.tt (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.183) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:06:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001001c0b2d8$5e0e2800$100101c8@openaccess03> From: "Dale Chulhan - Work" To: Subject: Kernel Panic Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:59:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello folks..... I did a very smooth install of FreeBSD on my PC. However I cannot boot into FreeBSD no matter what I try. I keep getting the kernel panic thingie ... I have two HD drives my primary master with Win98SE and my secondary slave with FreeBSD installed. Is this config too weird for FreeBSD to handle? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 6:12:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (inch.demon.co.uk [194.222.223.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700DE37B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14fwr7-0006jY-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:37:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:37:49 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Dan Langille Cc: John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote: >On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: >> > >> >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... >> >> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy >> of the general media > >Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always >been termed F&T around here. "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@covalent.net dot@dotat.at FAIR ISLE FAEROES SOUTHEAST ICELAND: EAST OR NORTHEAST 3 OR 4, OCCASIONALLY 5. SNOW SHOWERS. GOOD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 9:44: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (inch.demon.co.uk [194.222.223.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E51A37B71A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.20 #3) id 14g8HJ-0007D9-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:49:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:49:37 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Mark Murray Cc: John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> References: <200103220626.f2M6QAf48267@gratis.grondar.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103220626.f2M6QAf48267@gratis.grondar.za> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Murray wrote: > >Maybe not in America, but in the commonwealth "Foot & Mouth" is the >usual name, and "Hoof & Mouth" somewhat rare. You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more than one commonwealth :-) Tony. -- f.a.n.finch fanf@covalent.net dot@dotat.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 11:52:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA0937B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:52:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27070; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:50:56 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA0daaTW; Thu Mar 22 12:46:03 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15526; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:47:30 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103221947.MAA15526@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! To: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:47:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: galt@inconnu.isu.edu (John Galt), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200103220626.f2M6QAf48267@gratis.grondar.za> from "Mark Murray" at Mar 22, 2001 08:27:14 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > > > > It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy > > of the general media > > Maybe not in America, but in the commonwealth "Foot & Mouth" is the > usual name, and "Hoof & Mouth" somewhat rare. Good thing, too; if it weren't rare, you'd really have a serious livestock problem. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 12: 8: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A582737B719 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA10997; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:01:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAFOayxv; Thu Mar 22 13:01:47 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15782; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103222007.NAA15782@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! To: dot@dotat.at (Tony Finch) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: mark@grondar.za (Mark Murray), galt@inconnu.isu.edu (John Galt), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010322164937.C724@hand.dotat.at> from "Tony Finch" at Mar 22, 2001 04:49:37 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >Maybe not in America, but in the commonwealth "Foot & Mouth" is the > >usual name, and "Hoof & Mouth" somewhat rare. > > You need to qualify that as "British Commonwealth" since there's more > than one commonwealth :-) Not any more, it fell; Dylan Hunt is still in the process of rebuilding it, the last time I heard anything about it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 13:57:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.registeredsite.com (mail3.registeredsite.com [64.224.9.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A47737B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from mail.threespace.com (mail.threespace.com [216.247.134.44]) by mail3.registeredsite.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2MLv5F11676 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:57:05 -0500 Received: from CX1063714-B.threespace.com [65.14.36.167] by mail.threespace.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id A529788F002E; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:56:57 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322165533.017b2d38@mail.threespace.com> X-Sender: tech_info@mail.threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:56:46 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! In-Reply-To: <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:32 PM 3/21/2001, Dan Langille wrote: > > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > > > > It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy > > of the general media > >Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always >been termed F&T around here. So then what is "F&T?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 14: 2:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8B037B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (dan@wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2MM25f94564 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:02:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103222202.f2MM25f94564@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: FreeBSD Chat Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:02:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Reply-To: dan@langille.org In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322165533.017b2d38@mail.threespace.com> References: <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Mar 2001, at 16:56, Technical Information wrote: > At 09:32 PM 3/21/2001, Dan Langille wrote: > > > >p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... > > > > > > It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the > > > illiteracy of the general media > > > >Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always > >been termed F&T around here. > > So then what is "F&T?" A typo. I should have typed F&M. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 15:37: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-76-236.knology.net [24.214.76.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D3E37B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MNb2e94840 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:37:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200103222337.f2MNb2e94840@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Oh boy! Oh boy! Oh boy! From: David Kelly Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:37:02 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Problem now is that I can't remember what shipping method I selected. Time to do some research. [...] Dear Apple Customer, The following products shipped on 03/22/2001. Transit time will depend upon whether you have chosen standard or premium freight options. If your order is shipping standard freight, it should arrive within 10 days of shipment. Product # Product Description Qty Ext Price __________ ________________________________________ ____ ________________ _________________________________________________________________________ M7686LL/A MAC OS X 1.0 RETAIL-USA 1 129.00 _________________________________________________________________________ Promotion Savings 30.00- The above products have been shipped to: [...] -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Mar 22 21:12:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5626037B719 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07076; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:12:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010322220940.044397a0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:12:25 -0700 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: No More Beta! Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3AB368B9.E72B1D3E@newsguy.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010316232156.00a9ef00@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:38 AM 3/17/2001, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >It's just jkh in his dark throne that makes do with a single beta. :-) Just checked the -stable mailing list, and apparently he's now making do with three "release candidates." Which is, for all intents and purposes, three widespread betas -- with ISO images. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 23 10:24:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.opus.co.tt (mail.opus.co.tt [196.3.136.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D6E37B718 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:23:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from openaccess03 (unverified [196.3.136.186]) by mail.opus.co.tt (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.183) with SMTP id ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:22:47 -0400 Message-ID: <000d01c0b3c5$540002f0$100101c8@openaccess03> From: "Dale Chulhan - Work" To: , , Subject: I need Book Recomendations Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:15:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello can I ask any one reading this to please submit the name(s) and local or online book store ( if possible ) of some books on UNIX and UNIX system administration that is suitable for the beginner / intermediate user? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 23 10:36:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DCD37B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Received: from gte.net (evrtwa1-ar4-4-34-145-186.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.145.186]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id MAA130998330 Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:31:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA86893; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:36:56 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: Dale Chulhan - Work Cc: TTLUG@yahoogroups.com, TheTechies@egroups.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need Book Recomendations Message-ID: <20010323103656.B86863@darkstar.gte.net> References: <000d01c0b3c5$540002f0$100101c8@openaccess03> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <000d01c0b3c5$540002f0$100101c8@openaccess03>; from dchulhan@uwi.tt on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:15:49PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The UNIX CD bookshelf published by O'Reilly, available from bookpool.com. [RC] On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 02:15:49PM -0400, Dale Chulhan - Work wrote: > Hello can I ask any one reading this to please submit the name(s) and local > or online book store ( if possible ) of some books on UNIX and UNIX system > administration that is suitable for the beginner / intermediate user? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 23 11:48:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from server.highperformance.net (ip30.gte4.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.215.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD3137B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:48:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by server.highperformance.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2NJjQA40444; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcwells@highperformance.net) X-Authentication-Warning: server.highperformance.net: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@server.highperformance.net To: Dale Chulhan - Work Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I need Book Recomendations In-Reply-To: <000d01c0b3c5$540002f0$100101c8@openaccess03> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dale Chulhan - Work wrote: > Hello can I ask any one reading this to please submit the name(s) and local > or online book store ( if possible ) of some books on UNIX and UNIX system > administration that is suitable for the beginner / intermediate user? Local to where? I recommend "The Complete FreeBSD" by Lehey for the beginner-ish. I recommend "Essential System Administration" from O'Reilly for the intermediate-ish. later, Jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 23 17:33: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7526037B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08730; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:29:33 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAREa4_q; Fri Mar 23 18:29:24 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA05871; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:32:45 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:32:45 +0000 (GMT) Cc: support@primenet.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Primenet, whom I have been very happy with for many years, and have recommended without reservation to other people, resulting in more than a few customers for them, was purchased a while ago. It stayed the same great service after that, and I had no real complaints. Everything was fine until very recently, when they decided to retire their shell account services, and sell their existing dialup user base to EarthLink, which does not off shell account access, and is not UNIX friendly (they want to send me a CDROM with a customized version of a browser and other Windows programs, on the theory that I am either a Windows user, or am short of coasters). Since I know that UUNET charges $9.00 in bulk for dialup points of presence for month, I am totally mystified as to why they are throwing away $11.00/month in revenue; it can't be costing them that much to run their BSDi boxes on which their shell accounts are located. This looks like an attempt to turn customers into a round of funding, to me, since that is the only reason I can think of to turn over an exisiting positive revenue stream. -- So... I am now looking for a BSD/non-fixed-access friendly ISP. I need a shell account; minimally, it needs to be able to run "elm", so I can get at my email from work or from home, without it having to be POP'ed off, and become inaccessible, unless I bring a work machine home or a home machine to work. In other words, I need to be able to get to a single shell, regardless of whether I am dialing up from home or the road, or telnet'ing in from work or a borrowed machine. I would like it if I could run traceroute, nslookup, and whois, as well, so that I can do directional diagnostics from another point on the net, when I'm having local connectivity trouble somewhere with a leased line link. It would be annoying, but I can live without that, if I can just get a shell account with elm access. The ISP should permit dialup access, and not care about specific client type (e.g. I will sometimes use a BSD box, and sometimes use another box, to dialin). In particular, it should not be Windows-only (though I may use a Windows box, if that's all I can borrow, when travelling, it can't be a requirement). I'm looking for some DNS on top of that (but I could have NSI or whoever do the mail forwarding for me, since almost all registrars offer that service for free these days, anyway): The ISP should be willing to set up MX records and an entry for a single account in a virtusertable so that mail to any address in a domain ends up in a single maildrop,ie: tlambert@isp.com -> tlambert/.incoming-mail xxx@lambert-org -> tlambert/.incoming-mail terry@lambert.org -> tlambert/.incoming.mail (or wherever incoming mail is stored). Any suggesions welcome. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 23 18:34:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB45F37B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:34:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18400; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:34:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010323193403.00dbf580@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:34:17 -0700 To: Terry Lambert , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: ISP pooping out; any BSD friendly ISP out there???? Cc: support@primenet.com In-Reply-To: <200103240132.SAA05871@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rahul.net At 06:32 PM 3/23/2001, Terry Lambert wrote: >Primenet, whom I have been very happy with for many years, and >have recommended without reservation to other people, resulting >in more than a few customers for them, was purchased a while >ago. It stayed the same great service after that, and I had no >real complaints. > >Everything was fine until very recently, when they decided to >retire their shell account services, and sell their existing >dialup user base to EarthLink, which does not off shell account >access, and is not UNIX friendly (they want to send me a CDROM >with a customized version of a browser and other Windows >programs, on the theory that I am either a Windows user, or am >short of coasters). > >Since I know that UUNET charges $9.00 in bulk for dialup points >of presence for month, I am totally mystified as to why they >are throwing away $11.00/month in revenue; it can't be costing >them that much to run their BSDi boxes on which their shell >accounts are located. > >This looks like an attempt to turn customers into a round of >funding, to me, since that is the only reason I can think of to >turn over an exisiting positive revenue stream. > >-- > >So... I am now looking for a BSD/non-fixed-access friendly ISP. > > >I need a shell account; minimally, it needs to be able to run >"elm", so I can get at my email from work or from home, without >it having to be POP'ed off, and become inaccessible, unless I >bring a work machine home or a home machine to work. In other >words, I need to be able to get to a single shell, regardless of >whether I am dialing up from home or the road, or telnet'ing in >from work or a borrowed machine. > >I would like it if I could run traceroute, nslookup, and whois, >as well, so that I can do directional diagnostics from another >point on the net, when I'm having local connectivity trouble >somewhere with a leased line link. It would be annoying, but I >can live without that, if I can just get a shell account with >elm access. > >The ISP should permit dialup access, and not care about specific >client type (e.g. I will sometimes use a BSD box, and sometimes >use another box, to dialin). In particular, it should not be >Windows-only (though I may use a Windows box, if that's all I >can borrow, when travelling, it can't be a requirement). > > >I'm looking for some DNS on top of that (but I could have NSI >or whoever do the mail forwarding for me, since almost all >registrars offer that service for free these days, anyway): > >The ISP should be willing to set up MX records and an entry for >a single account in a virtusertable so that mail to any address >in a domain ends up in a single maildrop,ie: > > tlambert@isp.com -> tlambert/.incoming-mail > xxx@lambert-org -> tlambert/.incoming-mail > terry@lambert.org -> tlambert/.incoming.mail > >(or wherever incoming mail is stored). > >Any suggesions welcome. > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 24 7: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.registeredsite.com (mail2.registeredsite.com [64.224.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6559037B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from mail.threespace.com (mail.threespace.com [216.247.134.44]) by mail2.registeredsite.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2OF0Jt09685 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:00:19 -0500 Received: from CX1063714-B.threespace.com [65.14.36.167] by mail.threespace.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.05) id A67E65D50114; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:00:14 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010324084359.01765d90@mail.brightmail.com> X-Sender: tech_info@mail.threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:44:59 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Technical Information Subject: Outlook causing foot & mouth / mad cow? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Looks like everybody wants in on the fun: http://www.satirewire.com/news/0103/outlook.shtml --Chip Morton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 24 17:54:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D04EE37B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: (qmail 194526 invoked by uid 0); 25 Mar 2001 01:54:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.222.67) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 01:54:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3ABD4FE4.7816616C@uwi.tt> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:54:44 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan - Home Organization: COSTAATT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Book Clubs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Follow up on the book question here .... can any one recommend a good book club for books of the computing and networking persuasion. Please indicate if you had dealings with them personaly and level of satisfaction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 24 23:38:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B64937B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:38:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18476A90D; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:08:29 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:08:29 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Tony Finch Cc: Dan Langille , John Galt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oh no! They killed Beastie! Message-ID: <20010325170829.B48869@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200103212243.f2LMhTb84823@ns1.unixathome.org> <200103220232.f2M2WKb87061@ns1.unixathome.org> <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010322043749.A724@hand.dotat.at>; from dot@dotat.at on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:37:49AM +0000 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 22 March 2001 at 4:37:49 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> On 21 Mar 2001, at 15:58, John Galt wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dan Langille wrote: >>>> >>>> p.s. Hoof and Mouth is also known as Foot and Mouth.... >>> >>> It wasn't commonly until this round of H&M. Chalk it up to the illiteracy >>> of the general media >> >> Actually, that's not true. Perhaps in your area, but AFAIK, it's always >> been termed F&T around here. > > "Hoof & Mouth" is an Americanism. I was at the Singapore Linux Conference last week, and I was going to present this report and ask for a minute of silence in respect. As it happened, I had some suggestions for modification, and what I finally presented is at http://www.lemis.com/~grog/foot-in-mouth.html. No prizes for guessing who helped me. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message