From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 0: 8:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C086B37B736 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:08:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2I88RA54004 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:08:27 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103180808.f2I88RA54004@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:08:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: current archives are empty Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have a look at some of the messages at: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html Click on one of the links. It's empty. Try: Mar 17 Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-02-25 - 2001-03-17 At first, I thought it was my message. But then I checked other messages. They're all like that. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 0:16:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.unixathome.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E0E37B737 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:16:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ns1.unixathome.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2I8GYA54122 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:16:34 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Message-Id: <200103180816.f2I8GYA54122@ns1.unixathome.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:16:33 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: current archives are empty (ps) Reply-To: dan@langille.org X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have a look at some of the messages at: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html Click on one of the links. It's empty. Try: Mar 17 Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary: 2001-02-25 - 2001- 03-17 At first, I thought it was my message. But then I checked other messages. They're all like that. Ummm, I think I've hit the window between removal from "this week" and adding to "2001". At present, the messages in question are in neither location. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 3:30:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A88937B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IBU2D46269; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:30:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F5F837B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 67335 invoked by uid 100); 18 Mar 2001 11:28:05 -0000 Message-Id: <20010318112805.67334.qmail@guru.mired.org> Date: 18 Mar 2001 11:28:05 -0000 From: mwm@mired.org Reply-To: mwm@mired.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25890: [PATCH] There's no general guidance on creating cds. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25890 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] There's no general guidance on creating cds. >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Mar 18 03:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Meyer >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: Meyer Consulting >Environment: System: FreeBSD guru.mired.org 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #4: Sun Mar 11 17:47:12 CST 2001 mwm@guru.mired.org:/sharetmp/obj/usr/src/sys/GURU i386 >Description: No single document describes how to create a CD on FreeBSD. >How-To-Repeat: Look for the document, and fail to find it. >Fix: I wrote up a handbook chapter covering this. I'm not sure where it should go, though. Creating CDs Written by mwm@mired.org Introduction When CDs have a number of features that differentiate them from convential disks. Initially, they weren't writable by the user. They are designed so they can be read continuously without delays to move the head between tracks. They are also much easier to transport between system than similar sized media was at the time. CDs do have tracks, but by this they mean a section of data to be read continuously, not a physical property of the disk. To produce a CD on FreeBSD, you prepare the data files that are going to make up the tracks on the CD, then write the tracks to the CD. The ISO 9660 file system was designed to deal with these differences. It unfortunately codifies file system limits that were common then. Fortunately, it provides an extension mechanism that allows properly written CDs to exceed those limits while still working with systems that do not support those extensions. The mkisofs program is used to produce a data file containing an ISO 9660 file system. It has options that support various extensions, and is described below. You can install it with the /usr/ports/sysutils/mkisofs port. The tool to use to burn the CD depend on whether your CD burner is ATAPI or something else. ATAPI CD burners use the burncd program that is part of the base system. SCSI and USB CD burners should use the cdrecord from the /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord port. mkisofs mkisofs produces an ISO 9660 file system that is an image of a directory tree in the Unix file system name space. The simplest usage is: &prompt.root; mkisofs imagefile.iso /path/to/tree This command will create a imagefile containing an ISO 9660 file system that is a copy of the tree at /path/to/tree. In the process, it will map the file names to names that fit the limitations of the standard ISO 9660 file system, and will exclude files that have names uncharacteristic of ISO file systems. Read &man.mkisofs.8; for details of this process, and options that can be used to control it. A number of options are available to overcome those restrictions. In particular, will enable the Rock Ridge extensions common to Unix systems, causes Joliet extenions used by MicroSoft systems, and can be used to create HFS file systems used by Macs. Read &mak.mkisofs.8; for more information on the last two. For CD's that are going to be used only on FreeBSD systems, can be used to disable all filename restrictions. When used with , it produced a file system image that is identical to the FreeBSD tree you started from, though it may violate the ISO 9660 standard in a number of ways. The last option of general use is . This is used to specify the location of the boot image in producing a El Torito bootable CD. This option takes an argument, which is the path to a boot image from the top of the tree being written to the CD. So, given that /tmp/myboot holds a bootable FreeBSD system with the boot image in /tmp/myboot/boot/cdboot, you could produce the image of an ISO 9660 file system in /tmp/bootable.iso like so: &prompt.root; mkisofs boot/cdboot /tmp/bootable.iso /tmp/myboot Having done that, if you have vn configured in your kernel, you can mount the file system by doing: &prompt.root; vnconfig vn0c /tmp/bootable.iso &prompt.root; mount cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt At which point you can verify that /mnt and /tmp/myboot are identical. There are a large number of other options you can use with mkisofs to fine tune its behavior. See &man.mkisofs.8; for details. burncd If you have an ATAPI CD burner, you can use the burncd command to burn an ISO image onto a CD. burncd is part of the base system, installed as /usr/sbin/burncd. Usage is very simple, as it does not have a lot of options: &prompt.root; burncd cddevice data imagefile.iso fixate Will burn a copy of imagefile.iso on cddevice. The default device is /dev/acd0. See &man.burncd.8; for options like setting the write speed, ejecting the floppy, and writing audio data. cdrecord If you do not have an ATAPI CD burner, you will have to use cdrecord to burn your CDs. cdrecord is not part of the base system; you must install it from either the port at /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrecord or the appropriate package. Changes to the base system can cause binary versions of this program to fail, possibly resulting in a coaster. You should therefore either upgrade the port when you upgrade your system, or if you are tracking -stable, upgrade the port when a new version becomes available. While cdrecord has many options, basic usage is even simpler than burncd. Burning an ISO 9660 image is done by: &prompt.root; cdrecord device imagefile.iso The tricky part of using cdrecord is finding the to use. To find the proper setting, use the flag of cdrecord, which might produce results like this: &prompt.root; cdrecord Cdrecord 1.9 (i386-unknown-freebsd4.2) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 Jörg Schilling Using libscg version 'schily-0.1' scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST39236LW ' '0004' Disk 0,1,0 1) 'SEAGATE ' 'ST39173W ' '5958' Disk 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) 'iomega ' 'jaz 1GB ' 'J.86' Removable Disk 0,4,0 4) 'NEC ' 'CD-ROM DRIVE:466' '1.26' Removable CD-ROM 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * scsibus1: 1,0,0 100) * 1,1,0 101) * 1,2,0 102) * 1,3,0 103) * 1,4,0 104) * 1,5,0 105) 'YAMAHA ' 'CRW4260 ' '1.0q' Removable CD-ROM 1,6,0 106) 'ARTEC ' 'AM12S ' '1.06' Scanner 1,7,0 107) * This lists the approriate value for the devices on the list. Locate your CD burner, and use the three numbers separated by commas as the value for . In this case, the CRW device is 1,5,0, so the appriate option would be =1,5,0. There are easier ways to specify this value; see the &man.cdrecord.1; for details. That is also the place to look for information on writing audio tracks, controlling the speed, and other things. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 3:35:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1B437B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:35:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E3BA0A86A; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:35:16 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBF4547C for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:35:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:35:16 +1000 (EST) From: To: Subject: Wheely Mouse and XFree 4 Message-ID: X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was just looking at FAQ 8.4. It seems example 8.2 needs to be moved down with example 8.4. Is that right or do I misunderstand it all? Thanks, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 5:20: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C4537B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IDK1A61542; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:20:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEDE37B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:14:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14ed0S-000409-01; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:14:00 +0100 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2ID08q54938; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:00:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy) Message-Id: <200103181300.f2ID08q54938@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:00:08 +0100 (CET) From: Christian Weisgerber Reply-To: naddy@mips.inka.de To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25891: OpenJade never used on alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25891 >Category: docs >Synopsis: OpenJade never used on alpha >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Mar 18 05:20:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Christian Weisgerber >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT alpha >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD kemoauc.mips.inka.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Sun Mar 11 05:33:31 CET 2001 naddy@kemoauc.mips.inka.de:/home/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC alpha >Description: Revision 1.28 of doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk was supposed to make us "Use openjade if we're on an Alpha". However, the logic of the test is inverted, so we *never* use OpenJade if on alpha. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- share/mk/doc.docbook.mk.orig Sun Mar 18 13:53:47 2001 +++ share/mk/doc.docbook.mk Sun Mar 18 13:54:27 2001 @@ -53,15 +53,15 @@ MASTERDOC?= ${.CURDIR}/${DOC}.${DOCBOOKSUFFIX} -.if !defined(OPENJADE) || ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" -JADE?= ${PREFIX}/bin/jade -JADECATALOG?= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/jade/catalog -NSGMLS?= ${PREFIX}/bin/nsgmls -.else +.if defined(OPENJADE) || ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" JADE?= ${PREFIX}/bin/openjade JADECATALOG?= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/openjade/catalog NSGMLS?= ${PREFIX}/bin/onsgmls JADEFLAGS+= -V openjade +.else +JADE?= ${PREFIX}/bin/jade +JADECATALOG?= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/jade/catalog +NSGMLS?= ${PREFIX}/bin/nsgmls .endif DSLHTML?= ${DOC_PREFIX}/share/sgml/default.dsl >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 5:23:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h005.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C34DA37B71B for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 05:23:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vicky@vic.ky) Received: (cpmta 3824 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2001 05:23:19 -0800 Date: 18 Mar 2001 05:23:19 -0800 Message-ID: <20010318132319.3823.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 18 Mar 2001 13:23:19 GMT Received: from [202.158.26.14] by mail.vic.ky with HTTP; 18 Mar 2001 05:23:19 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org From: Vicky@Vic.ky Cc: support@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: A PGP question =) X-Sent-From: vicky@vic.ky Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings guys =) I would like to ask, how can I get my personal PGP key?.. what do I need? what should I do? Thank you Regards, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 6:40:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356CD37B719; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IEd7513292; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:39:07 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:39:07 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others Message-ID: <20010318143907.A13242@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mg0gdt0mg.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7mg0gdt0mg.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:39:35PM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:39:35PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At 15 Mar 2001 10:34:30 GMT, > nik wrote: > > I was confused about this too -- I can't see the difference, but people > > were saying that directory symlinks are bad, but file symlinks are not > > (or, at least, less bad). >=20 > IMHO, problem is not whether file or directory, but how many > duplicates caused by that. Currently, 20 in the case of the FAQ, 172 in the case of the Handbook. Is that too many? Personally, I don't think so. > > I would like all the documentation to be easily accessible from > > docs/index.html (or doc/index.html, I'm easy on that point) on the web > > site. This page (and/or set of pages) would then contain links to the > > actual documentation, shielding the user from the length of the URLs. >=20 > Ideally, that's good. But usually, I often type URL of the Handbook > directory, not use hyper-link on top page. Me too. That's why a mechanism for ensuring that the /faq/ and /handbook/ URLs continue to work is a good thing. > But as you said, we now have many documents to be linked. So I agree > with you to use docs/index.html for portal of documents. >=20 > > 1. Use redirects in the web server config file. > >=20 > > 2. Symlink the FAQ/ directory to ../docs/en*/books/faq/ > >=20 > > 3. Symlink the contents of ../docs/en*/books/faq/ in to FAQ > >=20 > > 4. Duplicate the content by installing copies of the documentation= =20 > > in to FAQ and Handbook. >=20 > Hmmm, what I want to know is not *how* to achieve new hierarchy, > *what* hierarchy you want to use. I would like the canonical URL for a document to be: http://www.freebsd.org/docs//{books,articles}/document/{= index,article,book}.html Basically, the result of running 'make install' in the doc/ tree. If you look at the result of 'make install' at the moment, you'll see that it also creates shortcut symlinks, like en/books/... instead of en_US.ISO_8859-1 This would be another set of symlinks to support, with the pros and cons that we've already outlined. Personally, I don't care about this bit either way. Yes, this is a long URL. However, I don't think it's a problem: 1. 95% + of URL references given by people in e-mail for documentation on the FreeBSD site are going to be for either the FAQ or the Handbook. Those URLs will continue to work. 2. For everything else, we get people to point to http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html (or doc.html) instead. This can then list the documentation and link to it. 3. If someone wants to refer back to a particular document frequently then they can bookmark it, avoiding the need to key in the URL=20 manually. > > > We should consider how to use language identifier in URL. > >=20 > > Good question. Again, IMHO, I think that someone going to www.freebsd.= org > > would expect to see the English home page, going to > > www.freebsd.org/handbook/ would expect to see the English Handbook, and > > so on. >=20 > Agreed. >=20 > > I'm not very comfortable with the current approach of putting the other > > languages in subdirectories, such as ja/, although I can see some merits > > to it. But as a user, I would expect to go www.ja.freebsd.org and see > > the Japanese page by default. >=20 > I think making new domain (like www.ja) is not good idea. If we > decide to use www.FreeBSD.rog/ja for Japanese translated pages, that > is enough for us (of course it's my point of view). >=20 > Japanese translation is often old information than the English > version. So we often refer the English version to know latest > information. This causes switching both version frequently. > I like current structure which includes multiple languages in one > domain. Good point. > I want to know other person's opinion about this... >=20 > > I also like the work I've seen on other sites where most pages have a > > link at the bottom of them that says something like > >=20 > > This page also available in: [English] [Japanese] [Spanish] [...] > >=20 > > where the various language names take you to the translation of the same > > page. I have not yet given any thought to how we could easily achieve > > this, given that different translations have progressed differently in > > terms of the amount they have translated. >=20 > Honestly, I have no idea to use this feature because: >=20 > o We are using language separated directory. Default behavior of > Apache requires language suffix to select localized contents. > o We should not request special configuration for mirror site > administrators. >=20 > I hope someone knows neat idea... Change the way we do things. Instead of having a CVS repo that looks like www/{en,ja,es,...} have one that looks like www/{data,cgi,share,...} The data/ directory is where all the existing content goes. Instead of segregating the content by language in to different directories, have *all* the content in the data/ directory (and it's subdirectories), with names like index.en.sgml index.ja.sgml index.es.sgml and so on. When you run make(1), it does something like sgmlnorm index.en.sgml > index.en.html sgmlnorm index.ja.sgml > index.ja.html and so on. After doing that, it does one final pass, using symlinks to link in the 'default' file. For example, if the user has WEB_DEFAULT_LANG set to 'ja' then it would run ln -s index.ja.html index.html If WEB_DEFAULT_LANG was set to 'en' then it would run ln -s index.en.html index.html This could also help translators who want to start. You could modify that rule slightly so that, if index.ja.html doesn't exist then index.en.html is linked to instead, thereby providing a default language for the translators to fall back to. This would also mean doing something clever with internal links within the web site. The correct language code would need to be in each internal link for it to work properly. That can probably be hacked up pretty easily. I haven't written any infrastructure to support what I've just described yet, but I think it would certainly be an interesting exercise for someone to do. Then we could test it out, and see what problems (if any) it causes, and whether or not it really is a benefit. Does anyone want to put together a prototype? > > Perhaps we should be installing all the HTML files with an additional > > suffix depending on the language: index.html.en, index.html.ja, and so > > forth. A variable set during install time would then symlink these back > > to the regular filename. So if you do "make install" with WEB_LANG set > > to en_US.ISO_8859-1 then index.html is a link to index.html.en. If > > WEB_LANG is set to ja_JP.eucJP then index.html is a link to > > index.html.ja, and so forth. A proof of concept of this is probably > > only a couple of hours work, if someone wants to send a patch. > >=20 > > I'm just kicking out ideas for discussion at the moment. >=20 > Using content negotiation should be discussed more carefully. Please > give me more time to consider. The approach I've outlined above shouldn't require the web server to do any content negotiation. Instead, the user would have to (once) explicitly request the language they want to see the page in. It's not quite as slick as content negotiation, but it would mean that the approach is completely independent of the web server. > As first step, how about to install books, articles and so on like > this (not using docs/en): >=20 > /index.html > /docs/books/handbook/index.html > /docs/books/porters-handbook/index.html > /docs/articles/committers-guide/index.html > /ja/index.html > /ja/docs/books/handbook/index.html > /ja/docs/books/porters-handbook/index.html > /ja/docs/articles/committers-guide/index.html Could do. Patches? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq0yIoACgkQk6gHZCw343W6tACdGDUIeY2Fqf6jb0uFv9aTi1pD c4kAnjLS02QiBtZ8h14Dfp5IP7wXnu+d =pTdy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 7:53:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3850637B718; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IFr9e67151; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103181553.f2IFr9e67151@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@mips.inka.de, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25891: OpenJade never used on alpha Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: OpenJade never used on alpha State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sun Mar 18 07:52:50 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25891 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 8:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4240E37B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IGU1772507; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D91637B71B for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IGMDu72027; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103181622.f2IGMDu72027@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) From: mux@qualys.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/25901: typo in DRIVER_MODULE(9) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25901 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo in DRIVER_MODULE(9) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Mar 18 08:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Maxime Henrion >Release: 4.3-BETA >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD nebula.cybercable.fr 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #0: Mon Mar 12 17:15:04 CET 2001 mux@nebula.cybercable.fr:/usr/src/sys/compile/NEBULA i386 >Description: There is a little typo in the DRIVER_MODULE(9) manual page. The macro is referred as DRIVERMODULE instead of DRIVER_MODULE two times. >How-To-Repeat: man 9 DRIVER_MODULE >Fix: --- DRIVER_MODULE.9.orig Sun Mar 18 17:16:24 2001 +++ DRIVER_MODULE.9 Sun Mar 18 17:17:06 2001 @@ -66,9 +66,9 @@ using the same driver on the same or different busses. For example, the following is allowed: .Pp -.Fn DRIVERMODULE "foo" "isa" "foo_driver" "foo_devclass" "0" "0" ; +.Fn DRIVER_MODULE "foo" "isa" "foo_driver" "foo_devclass" "0" "0" ; .Pp -.Fn DRIVERMODULE "foo" "pci" "foo_driver" "foo_devclass" "0" "0" ; +.Fn DRIVER_MODULE "foo" "pci" "foo_driver" "foo_devclass" "0" "0" ; .Pp .Fa driver is the driver of type >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 8:55:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067E937B718; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IGtDY74333; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 08:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103181655.f2IGtDY74333@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mux@qualys.com, alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, alex@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25901: typo in DRIVER_MODULE(9) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo in DRIVER_MODULE(9) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: alex State-Changed-When: Sun Mar 18 08:54:00 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thank you! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->alex Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Mar 18 08:54:00 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: It`s my man page http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 18 19:51:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ascc.artsci.wustl.edu (ascc.artsci.wustl.edu [128.252.93.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516EA37B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:51:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hhp8080@yahoo.com) Received: from elio135 (eliot135.wuh.wustl.edu [128.252.105.135]) by ascc.artsci.wustl.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2J3pPl15566 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:51:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200103190351.f2J3pPl15566@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu> From: hhp8080@yahoo.com To: doc@freebsd.org Reply-To: no.recipient@ascc.artsci.wustl.edu Subject: A Friend has sent you a Greeting Card!!! Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:50:23 -070 X-Mailer: Stellar-X PostList - http://members.tripod.com/~antonino Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have just received an MP3.com Music Greeting Card from a Friend To retrieve your Music Greeting, visit: http://musicgreetings.mp3.com/card?card_id=3164440&val=airZrnlA0 This service is free of charge! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 0:41:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A5137B719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:41:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2J8eRl18289; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:40:27 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:40:26 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Chris Costello Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Style question about FAQ reorganization. Message-ID: <20010319084026.A18241@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010311125040.E31751@holly.calldei.com> <20010316144323.E52419@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010316144323.E52419@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 02:43:24PM -0600 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 02:43:24PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: > Small nit question. I'm doing a test run on my system and > local repository and I'm just wondering about a couple style > issues: >=20 > a.) Do chapter moves (from book.sgml into foo/foo.sgml) include > the whitespace changes as well (as in moving the indention > back to the left edge), or is that supposed to be a separate > commit? I think you can do it in one. > b.) Should the preface have its own file, and if so, should the > chapters.ent entity title for it be 'chap.preface' or just > 'preface'? Just preface. Having looked at the preface, it's not really a preface at all, it's another chapter. Perhaps it should be, with a title like "Introduction" or something? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq1xfgACgkQk6gHZCw343UZGQCeMsknUbFaS3Kbj5HTppDvtHY/ 2icAnjsJnb5p+XjooL7EkbGEY3txyKEQ =ndyA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 5:43:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from khan.acc.umu.se (khan.acc.umu.se [130.239.18.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060F737B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 05:43:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markush@acc.umu.se) Received: from mao.acc.umu.se (root@mao.acc.umu.se [130.239.18.154]) by khan.acc.umu.se (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2JDhmS02696 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:43:48 +0100 (MET) Received: (from markush@localhost) by mao.acc.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id OAA00980 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:43:47 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:43:47 +0100 From: Markus Holmberg To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: chmod(1) regarding 0200 directoris Message-ID: <20010319144347.A550@acc.umu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3-current-20000511i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Snippet from chmod(1): 2000 (the set-group-ID-on-execution bit) Executable files with this bit set will run with effective gid set to the gid of the file owner. should maybe be: 2000 (the set-group-ID-on-execution bit) Executable files with this bit set will run with effective gid set to the gid of the file owner. Directories created in a directory with this bit set will have their group set to the group of the parent directory, instead of the XXXeffective?XXX group of the creator. I can't find this documented anywhere else, did I miss it? Apologies for bad phrasing, someone might want to rephrase it. But I hope I got my point through. Regards, Markus. -- Markus Holmberg | Give me Unix or give me a typewriter. markush@acc.umu.se | http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 6: 2:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from rapier.smartspace.co.za (rapier.smartspace.co.za [66.8.25.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D87A37B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbm@rapier.smartspace.co.za) Received: (qmail 88522 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Mar 2001 14:01:52 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:52 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Markus Holmberg Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: chmod(1) regarding 0200 directoris Message-ID: <20010319160151.A88130@rapier.smartspace.co.za> References: <20010319144347.A550@acc.umu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010319144347.A550@acc.umu.se>; from markush@acc.umu.se on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 02:43:47PM +0100 Organization: Building Intelligence X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon 2001-03-19 (14:43), Markus Holmberg wrote: > 2000 (the set-group-ID-on-execution bit) Executable files with > this bit set will run with effective gid set to the gid of > the file owner. Directories created in a directory with > this bit set will have their group set to the group of > the parent directory, instead of the XXXeffective?XXX group > of the creator. The "group set to the group of the parent directory" is the default. You don't need any bits for that. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 6:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE5A37B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2JEA4E44380; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1995437B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:03:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2JE2tN27314; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) Message-Id: <200103191402.f2JE2tN27314@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: lowell@world.std.com Reply-To: lowell@world.std.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25919: SB Live works... Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25919 >Category: docs >Synopsis: supported hardware list says 'no' for Soundblaster Live >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 19 06:10:04 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lowell Gilbert >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD lowellg.ne.mediaone.net 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #27: Thu Mar 15 09:29:35 EST 2001 root@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/BE-WELL i386 latest handbook >Description: As far as I can tell, the notation "experimental" in the "Sound Devices" portion of the "Supported Hardware" section of the handbook is out of date. I'm not sure about the items that involve Midi support, but according to reports the Soundblaster Live! and SB PCI work fine. >How-To-Repeat: Ask Cameron Grant? >Fix: I know the suppported hardware lists are undergoing reworking (and consolidation), but I should give a patch if I can... --- install/chapter.sgml.ORIG Mon Mar 19 09:00:39 2001 +++ install/chapter.sgml Mon Mar 19 09:01:04 2001 @@ -1454,7 +1454,7 @@ Creative Labs SB16, SB32, SB AWE64 (including Gold), - Vibra16, SB PCI (experimental), SB Live! (experimental) + Vibra16, SB PCI, SB Live! and most SoundBlaster compatible cards >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 7: 9:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from khan.acc.umu.se (khan.acc.umu.se [130.239.18.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CAC637B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from markush@acc.umu.se) Received: from mao.acc.umu.se (root@mao.acc.umu.se [130.239.18.154]) by khan.acc.umu.se (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2JF9cS07289; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:38 +0100 (MET) Received: (from markush@localhost) by mao.acc.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id QAA11283; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:09:33 +0100 From: Markus Holmberg To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: chmod(1) regarding 0200 directoris Message-ID: <20010319160933.A10952@acc.umu.se> References: <20010319144347.A550@acc.umu.se> <20010319160151.A88130@rapier.smartspace.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3-current-20000511i In-Reply-To: <20010319160151.A88130@rapier.smartspace.co.za>; from nbm@mithrandr.moria.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:52PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, I wrote that mail in a rush. I tried it fast (but obviously I must've had an shell open on something else than FreeBSD.. what an bad excuse :)) after noticing that Linux required 2000.. Thanks / Markus On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:52PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > On Mon 2001-03-19 (14:43), Markus Holmberg wrote: > > 2000 (the set-group-ID-on-execution bit) Executable files with > > this bit set will run with effective gid set to the gid of > > the file owner. Directories created in a directory with > > this bit set will have their group set to the group of > > the parent directory, instead of the XXXeffective?XXX group > > of the creator. > > The "group set to the group of the parent directory" is the default. > You don't need any bits for that. > > Neil > -- > Neil Blakey-Milner > nbm@mithrandr.moria.org -- Markus Holmberg | Give me Unix or give me a typewriter. markush@acc.umu.se | http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 7:40:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F08337B71C for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2JFe2k46185; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:40:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B846537B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:38:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2JFcWA27722; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:38:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) Message-Id: <200103191538.f2JFcWA27722@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:38:32 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert Reply-To: Lowell Gilbert To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey) X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/25922: "Complete FreeBSD" in third edition, not second Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25922 >Category: docs >Synopsis: "Complete FreeBSD" description outdated >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 19 07:40:02 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lowell Gilbert >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: n/a >Environment: System: FreeBSD lowellg.ne.mediaone.net 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #27: Thu Mar 15 09:29:35 EST 2001 root@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/BE-WELL i386 current FAQ >Description: The FAQ lists the previous edition of "The Complete FreeBSD" >How-To-Repeat: ask Greg Lehey? >Fix: The number of pages may be wrong; I don't have my copy at hand, and am trusting the count Barnes & Noble lists... --- book.sgml~ Mon Mar 19 10:32:24 2001 +++ book.sgml Mon Mar 19 10:34:30 2001 @@ -602,13 +602,13 @@ The definitive printed guide on FreeBSD is The Complete FreeBSD, written by Greg Lehey and published by BSDi (formerly Walnut Creek CDROM) Books. - Now in its second + Now in its third - edition, the book contains 1,750 pages of install & system + edition, the book contains 773 pages of install & system administration guidance, program setup help, and manual pages. The book (and current FreeBSD release) can be ordered from BSDi, CheapBytes, or - at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-227-2. + at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-246-9. Since FreeBSD is based upon Berkeley 4.4BSD-Lite, most of the 4.4BSD manuals are applicable to Added bonus: handbook fix for the link to buy the book: --- handbook/x11/chapter.sgml~ Mon Mar 19 08:58:50 2001 +++ handbook/x11/chapter.sgml Mon Mar 19 10:26:43 2001 @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ This chapter has been graciously donated by &a.grog; from his book, The + url="http://www.wccdrom.com/titles/freebsd/bsdcomp_bkx.phtml">The Complete FreeBSD, and remains copyright of him. Modifications for the handbook made by &a.jim;. The section on fonts in XFree86 was contributed by &a.murray;. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 8:27:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.virtualscape.com (mail2.virtualscape.com [209.213.96.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13AFF37B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:27:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from TomM@pentstar.com) Received: from Tommy [209.134.132.134] by mail2.virtualscape.com (SMTPD32-6.04) id A0CB2789013A; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:16:11 -0500 From: "Tom Musgrove" To: Cc: , , , Subject: The Ultimate Help System Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:26:32 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I made a proposal for the 'Ultimate Help System' on Gnome Devel and Johnathon , suggested that I join the gnome-doc list. The response on the Gnome-Devel and Debian Devel lists have been highly positive and a couple of people have volunteered to help implement it... (I've CCed the other documentation lists since I assume implementing such a system would be best done as a cooperative project, please post follow ups to gnome-doc-list only...) Here is the proposal ****Begin Ultimate Help System Proposal***** I have an interest in substantially improving the help systems that are provided for Free software. Specifically, I'd like to make them easier to use, and more useful for both power and new users and reduce the number of 'stupid'/'repetitive' questions that are asked in the IRC channels. First my critique of current help systems The reason users use help as a last resort, is that help is generally almost USELESS to users who are not skilled at picking the search terms that the help creator used. Instead, they will ask someone who is knowledgeable about what they want to do, or is good at searching help. Another reason that users use help as a 'last resort' is that there is a fairly good chance that what they want to do may not be explained in the Help. The third reason is that help does not necessarily explain the answer in such a way that the user can understand. In order to solve the above problems, I propose the following 1) synonym mapping of search queries If a trusted developer can map the search terms that a typical user types to more accurate terms, then a large step towards eliminating the problem of using different search terms from the help creator can be made. I'd guess that 50% of the time that naive users don't find the help that they are looking for is because the term that they are searching on is not the same as what the help document author used. To make it even more useful, fuzzy matching can be used for misspelled words (another common problem with searches by unskilled searchers...) or alternatively offer other potential spellings (as is done on some of the popular search engines such as google.) 2) help linked to IRC If the query doesn't immediately find what the user was looking for, the question can be submitted to a IRC help channel (one populated with 'trusted' respondents so that they don't get profanity, etc. as a response). The IRC person then searches help and maps the question to the question listed in the help (if the answer exists in help). The question then goes to a database to be added to the help system on the next update. If the query does not exist, then the following can be done... a) Request more information - the IRC person creates a yes/no question for the user to solicit more information again, submitted to the database for future reference (this would be similar to the Microsoft guided help...) b) Create a tutorial on how to solve the problem - this could be a script description generated from actually doing the action, with comments inserted. Thus for 'how can I make my text bold faced' - I would select text, click on the bold font character. Two scripts would be generated, one a text description as above, the other a visual hint system, that would highlight the next action to be done. Thus a small box near the text say 'highlight text'. Then after the text is highlighted, a box above the boldface icon 'click on icon'. This would also be amendable to text to speech (TTS) software as well. This could also use the custom mappings of the user, so they can use their keybindings in the explanation... This addresses all of the problems above, and could save tech people and users many hundreds of hours. Tech support at some companies would likely voluntarily hang out in the IRC help room (or be required by management..). 3) submit more information if the help person in the IRC channel does not have sufficient information, then a button can be used that submits a screenshot of the users program. Also, a brief listing of current software can be submitted (I.e. - I am using Debian Potatoe version foo.bar with Gnome version fuz.baz, etc.) This can avoid the problem of having the user look up the assorted information themselves, and save the tech and the user time. 4) put my computer in the users state The above info can be used to put the techs computer in a state similar to the users computer temporarily. (the degree to which this can be done will certainly vary, but at least going to the same window manager with the same programs open might be useful...). Of course once the user has been helped, the question and the solution can be added to the help system (if not automagically, then with a small amount of clean up, or with a review by a 'trusted' developer). I sincerely believe that this might cut the amount of time spent helping new users and solving problems on free software operating systems substantially. This would also give us a significant edge in ease of problem solving over many of the commercial software systems. ****Begin Ultimate Help System Proposal***** I'd appreciate your thoughts and comments, Tom M. TomM@pentstar.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 8:55:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-ft1.fr.colt.net (smtp-ft1.fr.colt.net [213.41.78.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E3E37B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdlogin@posse-press.com) Received: from moz-drake (access-171-122.colt.imaginet.fr [195.68.122.171] (may be forged)) by smtp-ft1.fr.colt.net with SMTP id f2JGvHu31999 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:57:18 +0100 From: Thomas Dupouy Organization: Posse-press To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Distribution of your documentation Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:00:58 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.1.99] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am Thomas Dupouy, journalist for Login:. Login: is a French magazine speaking about systems such as BSD, Linux, BeOS or QNX. Each month a CD-Rom is offered with the magazine. Interested by your documentation, I wish to include it in the next CD-Rom. Thank you to prevent me if you see an objection there. -- /-------------------------------\ | Thomas Dupouy | | Journaliste Login : | | Groupe Posse-press | | cdlogin@posse-press.com | | http://login.posse-press.com | \-------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 9: 9:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from snarf.osdn.com (snarf.osdn.com [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A6737B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:09:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mij@osdn.com) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snarf.osdn.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2JH9o551444; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:09:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mij@osdn.com) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 685F4173; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:09:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:09:48 -0500 From: Jim Mock To: Thomas Dupouy Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distribution of your documentation Message-ID: <20010319120947.E1011@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: mij@osdn.com References: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.16i In-Reply-To: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake>; from cdlogin@posse-press.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:00:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 at 18:00:58 +0000, Thomas Dupouy wrote: > Hello, > I am Thomas Dupouy, journalist for Login:. Login: is a French magazine > speaking about systems such as BSD, Linux, BeOS or QNX. Each month a > CD-Rom is offered with the magazine. Interested by your documentation, > I wish to include it in the next CD-Rom. Thank you to prevent me if > you see an objection there. What documentation are you talking about? - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 11: 0:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147FB37B71E for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:00:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2JJ0IZ73720 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103191900.f2JJ0IZ73720@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/01/05] docs/24083 doc change layout and content of kernel build o [2001/01/15] docs/24363 doc lack of explanation o [2001/03/18] docs/25890 doc [PATCH] There's no general guidance on cr 5 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/03/25] docs/17598 doc installworld over NFS documentation no lo o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/05/19] docs/18674 doc ntptime.htm and ntptime.8 o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook o [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/26] docs/22333 doc share/doc/smm/07.lpd building moved in 3. o [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/08] docs/22701 doc lists missing from search options o [2000/11/11] docs/22778 doc Typo's in About.txt-Layout.txt o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/01] docs/23230 doc missing index.html links o [2000/12/03] docs/23251 doc exports(5) man page erroneous in 4.2-STAB o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2000/12/22] docs/23767 doc ifconfig(8) manual page does not document o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/13] docs/24305 doc man page syscons has reference to non exi o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/01/31] docs/24751 doc [PATCH] Digest list descriptions are out o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/02] docs/24802 doc fcntl man page does not specify what happ o [2001/02/03] docs/24839 doc fix ether.bridge o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/05] docs/24887 doc "make -j# installworld" can (will?) fail o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/15] docs/25126 doc minor nits in whatis(1) command o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete o [2001/02/17] docs/25164 doc makewhatis(1) seems to be fouling up o [2001/02/20] docs/25227 doc Lack of the description for some options o [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/02/28] docs/25450 doc remove NCPU from docs o [2001/03/02] docs/25500 doc Update of ip(4) manpage to reflect curren o [2001/03/10] docs/25648 doc typos in some manpages (dependant) o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/12] docs/25735 doc error in handbook o [2001/03/12] docs/25740 doc maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT o [2001/03/13] docs/25774 doc incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) o [2001/03/13] docs/25783 doc Add a new rule to the Committer Guide o [2001/03/13] docs/25785 doc add myself to the list of contributors o [2001/03/15] docs/25836 doc erroneous comment in statfs manual page o [2001/03/16] docs/25875 doc the mailstats(8) header has the wrong sec o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/19] docs/25922 doc "Complete FreeBSD" description outdated 66 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 12:11: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7429337B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2JKAV003828; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:10:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: cdlogin@posse-press.com Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distribution of your documentation In-Reply-To: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> References: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010319121031N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:10:31 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Thomas Dupouy > I am Thomas Dupouy, journalist for Login:. Login: is a French magazine > speaking about systems such as BSD, Linux, BeOS or QNX. > Each month a CD-Rom is offered with the magazine. Interested by your > documentation, I wish to include it in the next CD-Rom. > Thank you to prevent me if you see an objection there. You are more than welcome to use this. If you want to make sure you're using the most "definitive" version of FreeBSD, however, you might send me an email stating what ISO image you're using before you go to press. I can then confirm that you're using the best FreeBSD distribution bits we make available. Thanks, - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 14: 8:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA3337B719; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:08:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2JM6uV05648; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:06:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103192206.f2JM6uV05648@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmah@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, bmah@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25740: maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: maestro3 is not mentioned in HARDWARE.TXT and RELNOTES.TXT Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bmah Responsible-Changed-By: bmah Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Mar 19 14:06:03 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'm catching up the *.TXT files. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25740 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 14:59: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from postfix2-2.free.fr (postfix2-2.free.fr [213.228.0.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B7037B724 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:58:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stephane@freebsd-fr.org) Received: from sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (dijon-43-167.dial.proxad.net [213.228.43.167]) by postfix2-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0FA6B768; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:58:56 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stephane@localhost) by sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo (8.11.2/8.11.1) id f2JMnY619566; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:49:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stephane) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:49:34 +0100 From: Stephane Legrand To: Thomas Dupouy Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Distribution of your documentation Message-ID: <20010319234934.K81939@sequoia.mondomaineamoi.megalo> Reply-To: Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com References: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake>; from cdlogin@posse-press.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:00:58PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:00:58PM +0000, Thomas Dupouy wrote: > Hello, > I am Thomas Dupouy, journalist for Login:. Login: is a French magazine > speaking about systems such as BSD, Linux, BeOS or QNX. > Each month a CD-Rom is offered with the magazine. Interested by your > documentation, I wish to include it in the next CD-Rom. > Thank you to prevent me if you see an objection there. > Hello, FYI, there are also several documentations (not necessarily up to date unfortunately) translated in french available at http://www.freebsd-fr.org/. Feel free to include them in the CD-rom if you want conditionally you keep the copyright of course. Same message in French : Il existe aussi plusieurs documentations (pas forcement a jour malheureusement) traduites en francais disponibles sur le site http://www.freebsd-fr.org/. Vous pouvez les inclure sur le CD-rom si vous le desirez a condition bien evidemment de conserver le copyright. Stephane Legrand. -- Stephane.Legrand@bigfoot.com FreeBSD Francophone : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 15:53:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from balzac.cybercable.fr (balzac.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4DC037B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:53:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clefevre@poboxes.com) Received: (qmail 38385387 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 23:47:49 -0000 Received: from d165.dhcp212-231.cybercable.fr (HELO gits.dyndns.org) ([212.198.231.165]) (envelope-sender ) by balzac.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Mar 2001 23:47:49 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by gits.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2JNlmq74674; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:47:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from clefevre@poboxes.com) To: Steve Kargl Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Posting FAQ to newsgroups References: <20010317150940.A30304@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20010317233642.A10885@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010317160309.A30693@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> X-Face: V|+c;4!|B?E%BE^{E6);aI.[<97Zd*>^#%Y5Cxv;%Y[PT-LW3;A:fRrJ8+^k"e7@+30g0YD0*^^3jgyShN7o?a]C la*Zv'5NA,=963bM%J^o]C Reply-To: Cyrille Lefevre In-Reply-To: <20010317160309.A30693@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> From: Cyrille Lefevre Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 20 Mar 2001 00:47:46 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Steve Kargl writes: > On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:36:42PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > > Shouldn't be a problem. Which newsgroups? Is this something you plan > > on doing regularly? > > comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce > comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc from my point of view, FAQs have nothing to do in .announce. .announce are just announces. Linux guys have linux.answers. others just post in the most relevant newsgroup (comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc in our case), comp.answers and news.answers. > If no one objects, I'll post it once a month. I'll generate > the FAQ from whatever is in the source tree when I get around > to formatting it. Wolfram Schneider posts a list of the > new/updated ports every 2 weeks to c.u.b.f.a, but that might > be too often for the FAQ. look at comp.answers, FAQs are usually posted on a monthly basis. no need to go faster. they are not moving as fast as new/updated ports. but please, don't post in .announce. thanks. Cyrille. -- home: mailto:clefevre@poboxes.com UNIX is user-friendly; it's just particular work: mailto:Cyrille.Lefevre@edf.fr about who it chooses to be friends with. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 15:56: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDDF37B71B; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:56:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2JNpiW17702; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:51:44 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103192351.f2JNpiW17702@freefall.freebsd.org> To: heita@mb.infoweb.ne.jp, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25227: Lack of the description for some options in chflags(2). Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Lack of the description for some options in chflags(2). State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Mon Mar 19 15:51:15 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in -current, thanks! I'll MFC this after the code freeze. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Mar 19 15:51:15 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25227 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 17:20:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4879537B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2K1K4D41257; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:20:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:20:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103200120.f2K1K4D41257@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Dan Langille" Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Reply-To: "Dan Langille" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Cc: dan@freebsddiary.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:50 +1200 Does support exist for this or not? Should it be closed or committed? So far I've had feedback from only three committers, and that was positive. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 20:49:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DE237B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:49:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2K4nYU74569 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:49:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:49:33 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: OpenJade support isn't complete Message-ID: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone that understand the doc build, take a i386 box and pretend it is an Alpha and use _ONLY_ OpenJade? This really shouldn't be that hard for someone to test. I know zilch about the doc build, so I really cannot do it myself. --- While building an 4.3/Alpha release, I find that jade-1.2.1 was installed in my chroot'ed world: # ls -ld /var/db/pkg/*jade* drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 20 03:48 /var/db/pkg/jade-1.2.1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 20 04:32 /var/db/pkg/openjade-1.3_1 And the release build dies with: ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ipsec-must sgmlnorm -c /usr/local/share/sgml/html/catalog article.sgml > article.html Segmentation fault - core dumped *** Error code 139 which my grepping shows: # grep sgmlnorm /var/db/pkg/*/* /var/db/pkg/jade-1.2.1/+CONTENTS:bin/sgmlnorm /var/db/pkg/jade-1.2.1/+CONTENTS:share/doc/jade/sgmlnorm.htm /var/db/pkg/openjade-1.3_1/+CONTENTS:bin/osgmlnorm is part of Jade, _NOT_ OpenJade. Some one please test this. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 21: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B69D37B72A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:01:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2K51lU74730 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:01:47 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete Message-ID: <20010319210147.A74643@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 08:49:33PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 08:49:33PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > While building an 4.3/Alpha release, I find that jade-1.2.1 was installed > in my chroot'ed world: > > # ls -ld /var/db/pkg/*jade* > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 20 03:48 /var/db/pkg/jade-1.2.1 > drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Mar 20 04:32 /var/db/pkg/openjade-1.3_1 ..snip.. touch release.2 Making docs... ===> Extracting for docproj-1.4 >> No MD5 checksum file. ===> Patching for docproj-1.4 ===> Configuring for docproj-1.4 ===> Installing for docproj-1.4 ===> docproj-1.4 depends on executable: instant - not found ===> Verifying install for instant in /usr/ports/textproc/sgmlformat ===> Extracting for sgmlformat-1.7 >> Checksum OK for sgmlformat-1.7.tar.gz. ..snip.. ===> Installing for sgmlformat-1.7 ===> sgmlformat-1.7 depends on executable: nsgmls - not found ===> Verifying install for nsgmls in /usr/ports/textproc/jade ===> Extracting for jade-1.2.1 >> Checksum OK for jade-1.2.1.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for jade_1.2.1-13.diff.gz. ..snip.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 22: 6:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE81A37B71D for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2K66GC75257 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:06:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:06:16 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete Message-ID: <20010319220616.A75159@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010319210147.A74643@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010319210147.A74643@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 09:01:47PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 09:01:47PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > Making docs... > ===> Installing for sgmlformat-1.7 > ===> sgmlformat-1.7 depends on executable: nsgmls - not found > ===> Verifying install for nsgmls in /usr/ports/textproc/jade > ===> Extracting for jade-1.2.1 This patch should fix the logic in sgmlformat. The existing problem is the addition of checking for WITH_OPENJADE (triggered in this case by MACHINE_ARCH being "alpha") didn't remove the dependancy on Jade or `sp'. Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/textproc/sgmlformat/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.21 Makefile --- Makefile 2001/02/05 16:35:13 1.21 +++ Makefile 2001/03/20 06:00:15 @@ -18,20 +18,17 @@ .include +.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" +WITH_OPENJADE= yes +.endif + .if ${OSVERSION} < 220000 RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/sp +.elif defined(WITH_OPENJADE) +RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade .else RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade .endif - -.if defined(WITH_OPENJADE) -RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade -.endif - -.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" -WITH_OPENJADE= yes -.endif - RUN_DEPENDS+= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/linuxdoc:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/linuxdoc \ ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/docbook:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/docbook To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 19 22:11: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E1F37B71D; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DEC3E09; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:09:55 -0800 (PST) To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete In-Reply-To: <20010319210147.A74643@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:01:47 -0800" Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:09:55 -0800 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010320060955.78DEC3E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" writes: > ===> Extracting for sgmlformat-1.7 > >> Checksum OK for sgmlformat-1.7.tar.gz. > ..snip.. > ===> Installing for sgmlformat-1.7 > ===> sgmlformat-1.7 depends on executable: nsgmls - not found > ===> Verifying install for nsgmls in /usr/ports/textproc/jade This is a ports bug; a pasto, I think. With the patch below, I was able to remove /usr/ports/textproc/jade, install the docproj port, and build docs with -DOPENJADE on an i386 on a machine that's never built the docs before. That said, I don't know much about ports or the doc build, so it's possible jade somehow got installed somewhere, but if it did I can't find it. Also, make sure you have rev. 1.29 of doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk; 1.28 is broken. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/ports/textproc/sgmlformat/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.21 Makefile --- Makefile 2001/02/05 16:35:13 1.21 +++ Makefile 2001/03/20 05:19:48 @@ -24,12 +24,12 @@ RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade .endif -.if defined(WITH_OPENJADE) -RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade -.endif - .if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" WITH_OPENJADE= yes +.endif + +.if defined(WITH_OPENJADE) +RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade .endif RUN_DEPENDS+= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/linuxdoc:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/linuxdoc \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 0:37:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.bunt.com (mail3.bunt.com [195.178.0.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4561037B73E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:37:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ithum@it97.dyn.dhs.org) Received: from it97.dyn.dhs.org (IDENT:root@p3E9EA08E.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.160.142]) by mail3.bunt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26102 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:33:36 +0100 Received: (from ithum@localhost) by it97.dyn.dhs.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2K8bOH15759 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:37:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:37:24 +0100 From: Irmund Thum To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Gallery Message-ID: <20010320093724.A15729@it97.dyn.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this seems not be a FreeBSD site: www.aaise.com 199.93.70.193 HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:00:01 GMT -- -- http://it97.dyn.dhs.org -- Irmund Thum +49 179 6998564 +49 6374 992541 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 1:50:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FF737B728 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2K9QwY01900; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:26:58 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:26:57 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Message-ID: <20010320092657.A1758@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200103200120.f2K1K4D41257@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103200120.f2K1K4D41257@freefall.freebsd.org>; from dan@langille.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 05:20:04PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 05:20:04PM -0800, Dan Langille wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. >=20 > From: "Dan Langille" > To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org > Cc: dan@freebsddiary.org > Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:50 +1200 >=20 > Does support exist for this or not? Should it be closed or committed? = =20 > So far I've had feedback from only three committers, and that was=20 > positive. John? I thought you were going to bring this up in -committers? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq3Il8ACgkQk6gHZCw343WKewCeKHSN80hTPuqeMJ79DKhM8le9 6QkAmgNAQLwmZhnhZyjYNaLMaokvbkjb =rk6Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 8:48:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E7F37B71C for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KGmof28109 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:48:50 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete Message-ID: <20010320084850.A28093@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010319204933.A74557@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 08:49:33PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org `doc.html.mk' did does not do any checks for the Alpha. This patch does that. It also changes the negative logic to match doc.docbook.mk. I changed doc.docbook.mk to actually set the "OPENJADE" symbol, so other Makefiles can test it if they need to. Index: doc.docbook.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/mk/doc.docbook.mk,v retrieving revision 1.29 diff -u -r1.29 doc.docbook.mk --- doc.docbook.mk 2001/03/18 15:48:10 1.29 +++ doc.docbook.mk 2001/03/20 16:44:44 @@ -53,7 +53,11 @@ MASTERDOC?= ${.CURDIR}/${DOC}.${DOCBOOKSUFFIX} -.if defined(OPENJADE) || ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" +.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" +OPENJADE= yes +.endif + +.if defined(OPENJADE) JADE?= ${PREFIX}/bin/openjade JADECATALOG?= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/openjade/catalog NSGMLS?= ${PREFIX}/bin/onsgmls Index: doc.html.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/mk/doc.html.mk,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 doc.html.mk --- doc.html.mk 2001/03/13 18:29:06 1.6 +++ doc.html.mk 2001/03/20 16:44:30 @@ -47,12 +47,16 @@ HTMLCATALOG= ${PREFIX}/share/sgml/html/catalog -.if !defined(OPENJADE) -NSGMLS?= nsgmls -SGMLNORM?= sgmlnorm -.else +.if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" +OPENJADE= yes +.endif + +.if defined(OPENJADE) NSGMLS?= onsgmls SGMLNORM?= osgmlnorm +.else +NSGMLS?= nsgmls +SGMLNORM?= sgmlnorm .endif # ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 8:55:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DD237B718 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:55:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KGt5028190; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:55:04 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete Message-ID: <20010320085504.A28070@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010319210147.A74643@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010320060955.78DEC3E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010320060955.78DEC3E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 10:09:55PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 10:09:55PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote: > This is a ports bug; a pasto, I think. With the patch below, I was > able to remove /usr/ports/textproc/jade, install the docproj port, Did you wind up with a new installation of textproc/jade? I do not see how you could, as the patch you included is only less bogus than the original test. You did not remove the RUN_DEPENDS on nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade. Here is the Makefile after applying your patch: .if ${OSVERSION} < 220000 RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/sp .else RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade .endif .if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" WITH_OPENJADE= yes .endif .if defined(WITH_OPENJADE) RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade .endif Note that all FreeBSD/Alpha machines have OSVERSION > 220000. Thus nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade before we even check to see if we are an Alpha. I believe the patch I posted to be correct over this one. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 16:18:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B485F37B718; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:18:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2L0HiG10829; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010320092657.A1758@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Dan Langille Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-Mar-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 05:20:04PM -0800, Dan Langille wrote: >> The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. >> >> From: "Dan Langille" >> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org >> Cc: dan@freebsddiary.org >> Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guide >> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:15:50 +1200 >> >> Does support exist for this or not? Should it be closed or committed? >> So far I've had feedback from only three committers, and that was >> positive. > > John? I thought you were going to bring this up in -committers? Yes, I was. I'll go fix that. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 17:47:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACFA37B73E; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D5A3E09; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:45:56 -0800 (PST) To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OpenJade support isn't complete In-Reply-To: <20010320085504.A28070@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on "Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:55:04 -0800" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:45:56 -0800 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010321014556.55D5A3E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" writes: > Here is the Makefile after applying your patch: > > .if ${OSVERSION} < 220000 > RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/sp > .else > RUN_DEPENDS= nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade > .endif > > .if ${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha" > WITH_OPENJADE= yes > .endif > > .if defined(WITH_OPENJADE) > RUN_DEPENDS= onsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/openjade > .endif > > Note that all FreeBSD/Alpha machines have OSVERSION > 220000. Thus > nsgmls:${PORTSDIR}/textproc/jade before we even check to see if we are an > Alpha. I believe the patch I posted to be correct over this one. I think our patches do the same thing. The reason your release build failed was because WITH_OPENJADE was set for the Alpha case after it was checked for, so it ended up using and installing jade; both of our patches fix that by moving the check up. The WITH_OPENJADE logic isn't broken. Looking at the last three lines above, RUN_DEPENDS is set to *just* openjade if WITH_OPENJADE is defined (did you misread that as "RUN_DEPENDS+=" (with the plus)?). That said, I think your patch results in a more easily-understood Makefile, and thus should be used in favor of mine. 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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C0B1F2.78D375A0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 20 21:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AF637B721 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2L5A5677974; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:10:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103210510.f2L5A5677974@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: obrien@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. From: obrien@FreeBSD.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, dan@freebsddiary.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:06:14 -0800 (PST) > Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the > rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by > -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. Correct. Rules cannot be just added by anyone at a whim. The rules when thru a long debative process and then were formally ratified. On this point, I object to this being committed. Also, The Rules were purposely kept to a minimal set. This patch goes against that desire; and so I object to the patch on this point also. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 1:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648437B71D for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2L9K3627175; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103210920.f2L9K3627175@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: "Dan Langille" Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid Reply-To: "Dan Langille" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25783; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Dan Langille" To: obrien@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25783: Add a new rule to the Committer Guid Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:17:20 +1200 On 20 Mar 2001, at 21:06, obrien@FreeBSD.org wrote: > > Hmm, the only thing I see with this (the patch looks ok) is that the > > rules in the CG were actually a list of rules that were drafted by > > -core and voted on by the committers about a year or so ago. > > Correct. Rules cannot be just added by anyone at a whim. The rules > when thru a long debative process and then were formally ratified. > On this point, I object to this being committed. This isn't a whim. It's been long thought upon. I have no problem with a long debative process followed by a formal ratification if that's what you want > Also, The Rules were purposely kept to a minimal set. This patch goes > against that desire; and so I object to the patch on this point also. Do you actually agree with the concepts behind the rule? Debating it on procedure is one thing. But I feel you're avoiding the bigger issue. -- Dan Langille pgpkey - finger dan@unixathome.org | http://unixathome.org/finger.php got any work? I'm looking for some. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 5: 6:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE93737B71F for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:06:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2LAETF03267; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:14:29 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Thomas Dupouy Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Distribution of your documentation Message-ID: <20010321101429.A3033@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01031918005801.01109@moz-drake>; from cdlogin@posse-press.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:00:58PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas, On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 06:00:58PM +0000, Thomas Dupouy wrote: > I am Thomas Dupouy, journalist for Login:. Login: is a French magazine=20 > speaking about systems such as BSD, Linux, BeOS or QNX.=20 > Each month a CD-Rom is offered with the magazine. Interested by your > documentation, I wish to include it in the next CD-Rom.=20 > Thank you to prevent me if you see an objection there.=20 As others have said, no problem. Please get in touch with me directly, and I'll make sure that you get the most up to date versions of the documentation for the CD. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq4fwQACgkQk6gHZCw343Wv0wCfW7n5MXZUDjaRchK0IGHNv9B5 ZmIAniW+X3XoHa91Vrcggb8TZZhxG4mK =nV2Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mP3DRpeJDSE+ciuQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 5:55:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E893D37B71D; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:55:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (kuriyama@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2LDt8T50558; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:55:08 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:55:06 +0900 Message-ID: <7m7l1jfcqt.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others In-Reply-To: <20010318143907.A13242@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mg0gdt0mg.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010318143907.A13242@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 18 Mar 2001 14:40:42 GMT, nik wrote: > Currently, 20 in the case of the FAQ, 172 in the case of the Handbook. > > Is that too many? Personally, I don't think so. I think that is many, but that's only my point of view... > I would like the canonical URL for a document to be: > > http://www.freebsd.org/docs//{books,articles}/document/{index,article,book}.html > > Basically, the result of running 'make install' in the doc/ tree. As one of Documentation Project team, I think your plan is freindly for us. On the other hand, this is not friendly for current www directory hierarchy. > Change the way we do things. Instead of having a CVS repo that looks > like > > www/{en,ja,es,...} > > have one that looks like > > www/{data,cgi,share,...} > > The data/ directory is where all the existing content goes. It seems that is not good idea. At doc/ tree, we use separated directory for each translation project. We can maintain translated documents without breaking other translated ones. At doc/ja* tree, we plan to use another toolchain to build PostScript version (I think it is possible on doc package build machine by using another $PREFIX as you said long long ago...) And we can use language specific variable configuration in doc/ja*/*/Makefile.inc now. Using your plan on www/ tree breaks these features. > I haven't written any infrastructure to support what I've just described > yet, but I think it would certainly be an interesting exercise for > someone to do. Then we could test it out, and see what problems (if > any) it causes, and whether or not it really is a benefit. > > Does anyone want to put together a prototype? ... > Could do. Patches? We are talking about *design* of future www structure, not *implementation* of that. Implementing before designing carefully will not make good result. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 11:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6D837B727 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2LJnt187849 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:49:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tuning a VERY heavily (30.0) loaded s cerver In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:40:34 PST." <200103211840.f2LIeYA16476@earth.backplane.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:49:55 +0100 Message-ID: <87847.985204195@critter> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quick, somebody turn this into a pv_entry(9) In message <200103211840.f2LIeYA16476@earth.backplane.com>, Matt Dillon writes: > We've looked at those structures quite a bit. DG and I talked about > it a year or two ago but we came to the conclusion that the extra > linkages in our pv_entry gave us significant performance benefits > during rundowns. Since then Tor has done a lot of cleanup, but > I don't think the analysis has changed much. > >typedef struct pv_entry { > pmap_t pv_pmap; /* pmap where mapping lies */ > vm_offset_t pv_va; /* virtual address for mapping */ > TAILQ_ENTRY(pv_entry) pv_list; > TAILQ_ENTRY(pv_entry) pv_plist; > vm_page_t pv_ptem; /* VM page for pte */ >} *pv_entry_t; > > pv_pmap > > The pmap associated with the pv_entry. > > pv_va > > The virtual address of the pv_entry in the pmap. Used to quickly > track down the pv_entry associated with a (pmap, vm_page_t, va) > when iterating a pv_list or pv_plist. > > pv_list - pv_entry's associated with a vm_page_t. > pv_plist - pv_entry's associated with a pmap > > A pmap_entry can be located either through pv_list or through > pv_plist. The kernel chooses which list to iterate through to > find a pv_entry based on which of the two lists has the least number > of elements. One of the two nodes could be removed from the pv_entry > structure (saving 8 bytes) could be removed but at the cost of > performance for certain cases. > > If you have a huge number of processes sharing a page of > memory, iterating through pv_plist to locate a mapping is > usually more efficient. If you have fewer processes but full > mappings (e.g. the page table page is full), then iterating > through pv_list is more efficient. > > pv_ptem > > The vm_page_t associated with a pv_entry. This field is used > to quickly find associate vm_page_t's when we are wiping > whole page tables (e.g. on process exit). It could be > removed, but at significant cost to process exits and > munmap()'s of large areas. > > > Theoretically we can remove half the structure, but at a > significant cost in performance. > > -Matt > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. 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------=_NextPart_000_00FF_01C0B271.E1263500-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 22:10: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC41A37B720 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2M6A0V97688; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C0B37B71E for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2M601R90973; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103220600.f2M601R90973@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:00:01 -0800 (PST) From: jhay@csir.co.za To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/25982: Broken links in FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25982 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Broken links in FAQ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Mar 21 22:10:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: John Hay >Release: >Organization: >Environment: >Description: In the FAQ section 9.5, the links to "Handbook entry on SLIP (server side)" and "Handbook entry on SLIP (client side)" are broken. >How-To-Repeat: click on those links. :-) >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 21 23:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14A837B71B for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2M7o2K09260; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D386837B71E for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2M7gST08666; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103220742.f2M7gST08666@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:42:28 -0800 (PST) From: metal@vc-net.ne.jp To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/25985: some small fixes in raycontrol.8 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 25985 >Category: docs >Synopsis: some small fixes in raycontrol.8 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Mar 21 23:50:02 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: SUZUKI Koichi >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA >Organization: Japanese Manual Translation Project >Environment: FreeBSD abel.cac.co.jp 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #6: Sun Mar 18 10:15:02 JST 2001 root@abel.cac.co.jp:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ABEL i386 >Description: Some small fixes in raycontrol.8 (rev 1.5.2.1). IEEE802.11 -> IEEE 802.11 (infrastructure) mode. -> (infrastructure mode). place of ".". >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- raycontrol.8.org Wed Mar 21 12:40:39 2001 +++ raycontrol.8 Wed Mar 21 03:18:49 2001 @@ -147,10 +147,10 @@ 4 High (2Mbps) .El .Pp -The version 4 firmware may ignore this setting. Note, that the IEEE802.11 +The version 4 firmware may ignore this setting. Note, that the IEEE 802.11 standard only allows 1Mbps or 2Mbps operation, and that the generally accepted -reading of the IEEE802.11 standard is that 2Mbps is only allowed in +reading of the IEEE 802.11 standard is that 2Mbps is only allowed in infrastructure mode. .It Fl i Ar iface Fl n Ar network name Set the name of the service set that this station wishes to @@ -166,7 +166,7 @@ for a specified interface. The legal values for .Ar port type -are 0 (ad-hoc mode) and 1 (infrastructure) mode. +are 0 (ad-hoc mode) and 1 (infrastructure mode). In ad-hoc mode, the station can communicate directly with any other stations within direct radio range (provided that they are also operating in ad-hoc mode). In inrastructure mode, @@ -181,7 +181,7 @@ option if it cannot find an existing network of that name on the currently configured hopset (see the .Fl f -option.) +option). .It Fl i Ar iface Fl m Ar mac address Set the station address for the specified interface. The @@ -203,7 +203,7 @@ The .Ar RTS threshold can be any value between -1 and 2047. -The default is -1 (disable.) +The default is -1 (disable). .It Fl i Ar iface Fl f Ar hopset Set the radio hopset of a given interface. The @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ Whilst the card can be programmed to work with any hopset it makes sense to use the hopset for your own region to avoid interference from and interfering with other users of the RF spectrum (in places like -France this is the military.) +France this is the military). .Pp Note that all stations must be set to the same hopset in order to communicate. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 6:35:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.ldp2 (mail.ldp.org.tr [213.248.141.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3901F37B722 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 06:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marketing@ldp.org.tr) Received: from mail.ldp.org.tr (VIDEO [192.168.0.42]) by exchange.ldp2 with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id HGPSAA5G; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:07:23 +0200 To: doc@freebsd.org From: marketing@ldp.org.tr Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:55:32 +0200 Subject: Bilginize... 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Liberal Demokrat Parti Bilgi Islem Merkezi Yer : Liberal Demokrat Parti Adres : Barbaros Bulvari, No: 32 Besiktas 80700 - Istanbul Telefon: 0 212 266 34 60 E-Posta: webmaster@ldp.org.tr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 8:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B7F37B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MGA1G73716; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FC837B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MG4m970866; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:04:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103221604.f2MG4m970866@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: ohsawa@catv1.ccn-net.ne.jp To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26001: typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26001 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Mar 22 08:10:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: OHSAWA Chitoshi >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: FreeBSD Japanese Manual Translation Project >Environment: System: FreeBSD Co4.ccn-net.ne.jp 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #2: Mon Mar 19 04:00:09 JST 2001 root@Co4.ccn-net.ne.jp:/usr/src/sys/compile/Kernel390E i386 with man distribution >Description: at STANDARDS section in man page of sched_get_priority_max.2 , STANDARDS The sched_setscheduler() and sched_getscheduler() functions conform to IEEE Std 1003.1b-1993 (``POSIX.1''). I think "sched_setscheduler() and sched_getscheduler()" is typo of "sched_get_priority_max() , sched_get_priority_min() and sched_rr_get_interval()" . But I don't know the functions conform to IEEE Std 1003.1b-1993(``POSIX.1''). >How-To-Repeat: Do "man 2 sched_get_priority_max". >Fix: --- sched_get_priority_max.2 Wed Mar 21 00:25:38 2001 +++ sched_get_priority_max.2~new Wed Mar 21 00:31:13 2001 @@ -118,8 +118,9 @@ .Xr sched_setparam 2 .Sh STANDARDS The -.Fn sched_setscheduler +.Fn sched_get_priority_max +.Fn sched_get_priority_min and -.Fn sched_getscheduler +.Fn sched_rr_get_interval functions conform to .St -p1003.1b-93 . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 8:11:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6843637B719; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:11:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MGBHh10944; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:11:17 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: makeworld documentation in handbook confuses users Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In the name of improving testing of 4.3-BETA, I had a co-worker of mine install a 4.2-RELEASE box yesterday, then update to -STABLE. He found the makeworld instructions in the handbook very confusing, and potentially inconsistent. For example, he was left unclear at the end over whether the kernel or the world should be installed first, as the first part of the document clearly states kernel first, and the second part slips back into world first. Is there any chance we could get this text simplified a bit before 4.3-RELEASE goes out the door? In particular, it would be useful to add the following to the document, if it's not explicitly there already: /* * Build the new world, read the UPDATING notes first to see if there are * any special actions of divergences from the normal procedure that must * be taken to update. Change GENERIC below to reflect your kernel of * choice. */ # cd /usr/src # more UPDATING # make sure to read notes # make buildworld # make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC # customize for your kernel /* * Install your kernel first, reboot so it is running and new syscalls are * suported. */ # make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC # customize for your kernel # shutdown -r NOW # or pick your poison /* * Now install the world (userland, that is), optionally merge your * etc tree (experts only), and then go ahead and reboot to bring up the * new version of userland. */ # cd /usr/src # make installworld # mergemaster # optional merging of /etc # shutdown -r NOW # or pick your poison Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 8:19:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9106937B71B; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:19:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MFuLe06675; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:56:21 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:56:19 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/docs/, /FAQ/, /handbook/, and others Message-ID: <20010322155618.A6652@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010314212034.A45244@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mk85rvksr.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010315103248.A49019@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7mg0gdt0mg.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010318143907.A13242@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <7m7l1jfcqt.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7m7l1jfcqt.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:55:06PM +0900 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:55:06PM +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At 18 Mar 2001 14:40:42 GMT, > nik wrote: > > I would like the canonical URL for a document to be: > >=20 > > http://www.freebsd.org/docs//{books,articles}/docume= nt/{index,article,book}.html > >=20 > > Basically, the result of running 'make install' in the doc/ tree. >=20 > As one of Documentation Project team, I think your plan is freindly > for us. On the other hand, this is not friendly for current www > directory hierarchy. I'm not sure I understand you when you say "not friendly". What would be "friendly"? > > Change the way we do things. Instead of having a CVS repo that looks > > like > >=20 > > www/{en,ja,es,...} > >=20 > > have one that looks like > >=20 > > www/{data,cgi,share,...} > >=20 > > The data/ directory is where all the existing content goes. >=20 > It seems that is not good idea. At doc/ tree, we use separated > directory for each translation project. We can maintain translated > documents without breaking other translated ones. At doc/ja* tree, we > plan to use another toolchain to build PostScript version (I think it > is possible on doc package build machine by using another $PREFIX as > you said long long ago...) And we can use language specific variable > configuration in doc/ja*/*/Makefile.inc now. >=20 > Using your plan on www/ tree breaks these features. Very true. Perhaps we could keep the separate www/{en,ja,...} trees in the repo, but install the files as index.en.html, index.ja.html, and so on. The installed hierarchy does not necessarily have to mirror the CVS repo hierarchy. > > I haven't written any infrastructure to support what I've just described > > yet, but I think it would certainly be an interesting exercise for > > someone to do. Then we could test it out, and see what problems (if > > any) it causes, and whether or not it really is a benefit. > >=20 > > Does anyone want to put together a prototype? > ... > > Could do. Patches? >=20 > We are talking about *design* of future www structure, not > *implementation* of that. Implementing before designing carefully > will not make good result. I fully agree. I'm not suggesting that someone go spend the effort to completely rearchitect the www/ tree. But perhaps a three or four page prototype could be put together. This would let us quickly see the effect of various proposals without committing us to anything. It also lets us see the real world effects of various designs, rather than just theorising on them. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq6IJgACgkQk6gHZCw343WvFACfWq1Z+z7jjhmX1Y+wivEqz1AR i5QAnR569WSpyx1rxaHH1lDUfNsUHnUj =VCNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 8:22:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from clio.sc.intel.com (scfdns01.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1662737B71D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:22:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by clio.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.35 2001/02/12 09:03:45 smothers Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA11318 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:22:42 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA08452 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:22:41 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA09590; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:22:42 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.9938.231151.700169@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:22:42 -0700 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: makeworld documentation in handbook confuses users In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Thursday, March 22, Robert Watson wrote: ] > > inconsistent. For example, he was left unclear at the end over whether Yes, and I thought I saw some traffic last week where somebody was working on that for the handbook (unsure who though--the cold medicine I'm taking might be inducing hallucinations too :). One nit: > # mergemaster # optional merging of /etc optional *method* of merging /etc. You could (if you like pain and agony) merge things yourself, but merging it itself is not optional. Sure you knew that, I'm just stating it clearly "for the archives." -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 8:30: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0779337B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:29:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA10896; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:29:56 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14g7yG-0000ut-00 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:29:56 +0100 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:29:56 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: makeworld documentation in handbook confuses users Message-ID: <20010322172956.A2469@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , doc@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rwatson@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:11:17AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I totally agree with the suggestion that this part of the Handbook needs more attention. So much so that I am looking at how I could come up with something reasonable. IMHO the Handbook should only document the "official" procedure as found on -STABLE or the latest -RELEASE. So largely what you wrote stands, two nits: On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:11:17AM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > /* > * Build the new world, read the UPDATING notes first to see if there are > * any special actions of divergences from the normal procedure that must > * be taken to update. I think that UPDATING should be read first. Not often, but sometimes even building may require a kludge. More importantly, it should be emphasized that you should update your sources *first* and read it only *after*. Yes, there were questions around this:-) > Change GENERIC below to reflect your kernel of > * choice. > */ > > # cd /usr/src > # more UPDATING # make sure to read notes > # make buildworld > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC # customize for your kernel > > /* > * Install your kernel first, reboot so it is running and new syscalls are > * suported. > */ > > # make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC # customize for your kernel > # shutdown -r NOW # or pick your poison > > /* > * Now install the world (userland, that is), optionally merge your > * etc tree (experts only), and then go ahead and reboot to bring up the > * new version of userland. I think that the /etc upgrade should take place in any case, since ignoring it may lead to your system becoming disfunctional. With mergemaster(8), it is easier. -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 9:40:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E5337B722 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MHe1883897; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969BA37B71E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: (from robert@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MHYCH12034; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:34:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert) Message-Id: <200103221734.f2MHYCH12034@fledge.watson.org> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:34:12 -0500 (EST) From: rwatson@freebsd.org Reply-To: rwatson@freebsd.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/26003: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26003 >Category: docs >Synopsis: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Mar 22 09:40:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Robert Watson >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: FreeBSD Project >Environment: FreeBSD fledge.watson.org 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Wed Jan 31 17:29:21 EST 2001 root@fledge.watson.org:/usr/obj/data/fbsd-stable/src/sys/FLEDGE i386 FreeBSD sproing.gw.tislabs.com 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Feb 27 15:45:03 EST 2001 rwatson@sproing.gw.tislabs.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 >Description: man getgroups notes that no more than NGROUPS_MAX will be returned by the function, suggesting that this is an upper bound on the gidset array that can be used by an application. However, the man page lists only sys/types.h and unistd.h as required include files, and NGROUPS_MAX is not defined in either of those. To get NGROUPS_MAX, it is necessary to include sys/syslimits.h. SYNOPSIS #include #include int getgroups(int gidsetlen, gid_t *gidset) ... number of entries that may be placed in gidset. Getgroups() returns the actual number of groups returned in gidset. No more than NGROUPS_MAX will ever be returned. If gidsetlen is zero, getgroups() returns the number of supplementary group IDs associated with the calling process without modifying the array pointed to by gidset. >How-To-Repeat: # cat > test.c #include #include #include int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { gid_t gidset[NGROUPS_MAX]; int error; error = getgroups(NGROUPS_MAX, gidset); if (error) perror("getgroups"); return (0); } # gcc -o test test.c test.c: In function `main': test.c:7: `NGROUPS_MAX' undeclared (first use in this function) test.c:7: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once test.c:7: for each function it appears in.) >Fix: Modify man page to include syslimits.h, replicate value into types.h, other bogosities of namespace, remove reference to NGROUPS_MAX in the man page. Note clear which is the worst. What does POSIX say about getgroups()? >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 12:30:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EB537B71E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MKU1f07860; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from gizmo.quizbot.org (blndi4-145-253-141-072.arcor-ip.net [145.253.141.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD7E37B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:28:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@gizmo.quizbot.org) Received: (from robert@localhost) by gizmo.quizbot.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2MKSdG01430; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:28:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from robert) Message-Id: <200103222028.f2MKSdG01430@gizmo.quizbot.org> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:28:39 +0100 (CET) From: Robert.Drehmel@gizmo.quizbot.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/26006: Changing zone(9) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26006 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Changing zone(9) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Mar 22 12:30:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Robert Drehmel >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT >Description: I think some information in the manual page for the VM zone allocator is inaccurate or just unclear expressed. A structure allocated by the zone allocator does not have to reserve its two first fields for allocation management pointers. One of them is used to point to the next available item, but only if it is available itself; look at the patch for a description of the other one. The patch also adds a reference to a chapter in a book. >How-To-Repeat: Look at the man page zone(9). >Fix: Index: zone.9 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man9/zone.9,v retrieving revision 1.3 diff -r1.3 zone.9 63,73c63,73 < The zone allocator stores state information inside the items proper, < so structures that will be managed by the zone allocator must reserve < two pointers at the very beginning for internal use by the zone < allocator, as follows: < .Bd -literal < struct my_item { < struct my_item *z_rsvd1; < struct my_item *z_rsvd2; < /* rest of structure */ < }; < .Ed --- > While an item is not in use, the first sizeof(void *) bytes are used > for a pointer to another available item. When allocated, all of the > item's space is available, except with > .Dv INVARIANTS > defined, where the second sizeof(void *) bytes are used for sanity > checks, and we would get a panic trying to free the item if those bytes > were somehow changed to > .Dv ZENTRY_FREE . > .Pp > A similar algorithm is further described in Donald Knuth's `The Art of > Computer Programming' volume 1, starting at page 254 (section 2.2.3). 191c191,193 < .An Dag-Erling Co\(:idan Sm\(/orgrav Aq des@FreeBSD.org . --- > .An Dag-Erling Co\(:idan Sm\(/orgrav Aq des@FreeBSD.org > and modified by > .An Robert Drehmel . >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 22 14:11:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA5337B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:10:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2MM7tB07382; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:07:55 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:07:55 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds~ Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: makeworld documentation in handbook confuses users Message-ID: <20010322220755.B6652@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <15034.9938.231151.700169@hip186.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15034.9938.231151.700169@hip186.ch.intel.com>; from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:22:42AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CdrF4e02JqNVZeln" Content-Disposition: inline --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:22:42AM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: >=20 > [ On Thursday, March 22, Robert Watson wrote: ] > >=20 > > inconsistent. For example, he was left unclear at the end over whether >=20 > Yes, and I thought I saw some traffic last week where somebody was workin= g on > that for the handbook (unsure who though--the cold medicine I'm taking mi= ght > be inducing hallucinations too :). The attached diff is my current thoughts on the subject. I haven't made any changes yet as the result of Robert's comments. Comments welcome, but patches are even more welcome. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: chapter.sgml =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge/chapt= er.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.60 diff -u -r1.60 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 2001/03/17 01:58:42 1.60 +++ chapter.sgml 2001/03/22 16:22:38 @@ -607,8 +607,8 @@ =20 - - + <title>Drop to single user mode =20 You may want to compile the system in single user mode. Apart from the obvious benefit of making things go slightly faster, @@ -664,7 +664,7 @@ possibly save yourself some dependency headaches by removing this directory as well. =20 - Some files below /usr/obj will have the + Some files below /usr/obj may have the immutable flag set (see &man.chflags.1; for more information) which must be removed first. =20 @@ -674,7 +674,7 @@ =20 - Recompile the source =20 All versions @@ -778,6 +778,8 @@ Use it like this: =20 &prompt.root; make world + + This will also install the new system binaries. =20 @@ -800,7 +802,7 @@ system will be affected. The build is self hosted. Because of this, you can safely run buildworld on a machine running in - multi-user mode with no fear of ill-effects. I still recommend you + multi-user mode with no fear of ill-effects. I still recommend you run the installworld part in single user mode though. =20 @@ -812,31 +814,13 @@ and /usr/obj from A, and you can then run make installworld to install the results of=20 the build on B and C. + + Although the world target still exists, + you are strongly encouraged not to use it. =20 - The world target still exists, and - you can use it exactly as shown for version 2.2.2. - make world runs make=20 - buildworld followed by make - installworld. - - - If you do the make buildworld and=20 - make installworld commands separately, you - must pass the same parameters to &man.make.1; each - time. - - If you run: - - &prompt.root; make -DNOPROFILE=3Dtrue buildworld - - you must install the results with: - - &prompt.root; make -DNOPROFILE=3Dtrue installworld - - otherwise it would try and install profiled libraries that - had not been built during the make buildworld - phase. - + Run + + &prompt.root; make buildworld =20 @@ -852,10 +836,10 @@ =20 On a typical single-CPU machine you would run: =20 - &prompt.root; make -j4 target + &prompt.root; make -j4 buildworld =20 &man.make.1; will then have up to 4 processes running at any one - time. Empirical evidence posted to the mailing lists shows this + time. Empirical evidence posted to the mailing lists shows this generally gives the best performance benefit. =20 If you have a multi-CPU machine and you are using an SMP @@ -864,27 +848,98 @@ =20 Be aware that (at the time of writing) this is still experimental, and commits to the source tree may occasionally break - this feature. If the world fails to compile using this parameter + this feature. If the world fails to compile using this parameter try again without it before you report any problems. =20 Timings =20 - Assuming everything goes well you have anywhere between an hour - and a half and a day or so to wait. - As a general rule of thumb, a 200MHz P6 with more than 32MB of - RAM and reasonable SCSI disks will complete make + RAM and reasonable SCSI disks will complete make world in about an hour and a half. A 32MB P133 will take 5 or 6 hours. Revise these figures down if your machines are slower… =20 + + Compile and install a new kernel + + To take full advantage of your new system you should recompile= the + kernel. This is practically a necessity, as certain memory structures + may have changed, and programs like &man.ps.1; and &man.top.1; will + fail to work until the kernel and source code versions are the + same. + + The simplest, safest way to do this is to build and install a + kernel based on GENERIC. While + GENERIC may not have all the necessary devices + for your system, it should contain everything necessary to boot your + system back to single user mode. This is a good test that the new + system works properly. After booting from + GENERIC and verifying that your system works you + can then build a new kernel based on your normal kernel config + file. + + If you are upgrading to FreeBSD 4.0 or above then the standard + kernel build procedure (as described in ) + is deprecated. Instead, you should run these commands. + + &prompt.root; cd /usr/src +&prompt.root; make buildkernel +&prompt.root; make installkernel + + If you are upgrading to a version of FreeBSD below 4.0 you sho= uld + use the standard kernel build procedure. However, it is recommended + that you use the new version of &man.config.8;, using a command line + like this. + =20 + &prompt.root; /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/config/co= nfig KERNELNAME + + + + Reboot in to single user mode + + You should reboot in to single user mode to test the new kernel + works. Do this by following the instructions in + . + + - Update files not updated by - <command>make world</command> + Install the new system binaries + + If you were building a version of FreeBSD recent enough to have + used make buildworld then you should now use the + installworld to install the new system + binaries. + + Run + + &prompt.root; make installworld + + + If you specified variables on the make + buildworld command line, you must specify the same + variables in the make installworld command + line. +=09 + For example, if you ran: + + &prompt.root; make -DNOPROFILE=3Dtrue buildworld + + you must install the results with: + + &prompt.root; make -DNOPROFILE=3Dtrue installworld + + otherwise it would try and install profiled libraries that + had not been built during the make buildworld + phase. + + + + + Update files not updated by <command>make world</command></ti= tle> =20 <para>Remaking the world will not update certain directories (in particular, <filename>/etc</filename>, <filename>/var</filename> and @@ -1143,65 +1198,6 @@ =20 <screen>&prompt.root; <userinput>make NOSHARED=3Dyes all install</userinp= ut></screen> </note> - </sect2> - =20 - <sect2> - <title>Compile and install a new kernel - - To take full advantage of your new system you should recompile= the - kernel. This is practically a necessity, as certain memory structures - may have changed, and programs like &man.ps.1; and &man.top.1; will - fail to work until the kernel and source code versions are the - same. - - Follow the handbook instructions for compiling a new kernel. = If - you have previously built a custom kernel then carefully examine the - LINT config file to see if there are any new - options which you should take advantage of. - - A previous version of this document suggested rebooting before - rebuilding the kernel. This is wrong because: - - - - Commands like &man.ps.1;, &man.ifconfig.8;, and &man.sysctl.8;=20 - may fail. This could leave your machine unable to connect to the - network. - - =20 - - Basic utilities like &man.mount.8; could fail, - making it impossible to mount /, - /usr and so on. This is unlikely if you are - tracking a -STABLE candidate, but more likely if you are tracking - -CURRENT during a large merge. - - - - Loadable kernel modules (LKMs on pre-3.X systems, KLDs on 3.X - systems and above) built as part of the world may - crash an older kernel. - - - - For these reasons, it is always best to rebuild and install a - new kernel before rebooting. - - You should build your new kernel after you have completed - make world (or make - installworld). If you do not want to do this (perhaps - you want to confirm that the kernel builds before updating your - system) you may have problems. These may be because your - &man.config.8; command is out of date with respect to your kernel - sources. - - In this case you could build your kernel with the new version = of &man.config.8; - =20 - &prompt.root; /usr/obj/usr/src/usr.sbin/config/co= nfig KERNELNAME - - This may not work in all cases. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 23 1:32:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA9437B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:32:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2N9NuD10917 for doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:23:57 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:23:54 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: doc/ tree tagging Message-ID: <20010323092351.A10882@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Per usual procedure, I'll put down the RELEASE_4_3_0 tag on the doc/ tree sometime in the next few days. This shouldn't require anyone to stop committing, as long as the docs still build. As new stuff is committed to the tree on the run up to release I'll verify that it builds, and if it does, I'll slide the tags forward appropriately, to ensure that the CD gets the most up to date versions of the docs. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjq7FhwACgkQk6gHZCw343U7GwCghz8HP7KxUN6RGbgRwC1k3WD9 5ZUAn1jSGq7liJUZ4TOjf9pXu0cjIzJq =7kdF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yrj/dFKFPuw6o+aM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 23 6:14:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C5037B71B; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from will@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2NEEkb65631; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from will) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:14:46 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103231414.f2NEEkb65631@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dan@freebsddiary.org, will@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25785: add myself to the list of contributors Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: add myself to the list of contributors State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: will State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 23 06:14:32 PST 2001 State-Changed-Why: Welcome! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25785 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 23 22:24:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F8837B71A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:24:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GAO00LNFV05SS@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:21:42 -0600 (CST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f2O6N4w86462; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:23:04 -0600 (CST envelope-from chris) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:22:57 -0600 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: makeworld documentation in handbook confuses users In-reply-to: <20010322220755.B6652@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:07:55PM +0000 To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010324002257.A80466@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <15034.9938.231151.700169@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010322220755.B6652@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, March 22, 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > The attached diff is my current thoughts on the subject. I haven't made > any changes yet as the result of Robert's comments. Comments welcome, > but patches are even more welcome. Overall it looks good. I'm trying to just bring attention to it at this point, but I'll look for the serious nitpicky stuff tomorrow after I've gotten some sleep. Should the markup changes ( <title>foo) be in the same commit as the content changes, though? -- +-------------------+----------------------+ | Chris Costello | You might have mail. | | chris@calldei.com | | +-------------------+----------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 9:30: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AE337B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2OHU1V63035; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01ADB37B71A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:24:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lowell@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2OHOPR43310; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:24:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) Message-Id: <200103241724.f2OHOPR43310@be-well.ilk.org> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:24:25 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/26054: much of pstat(8) manual obsolete Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26054 >Category: docs >Synopsis: obsolete options in man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Mar 24 09:30:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Lowell Gilbert >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA i386 >Organization: n/a >Environment: System: FreeBSD lowellg.ne.mediaone.net 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #27: Thu Mar 15 09:29:35 EST 2001 root@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/BE-WELL i386 [and everything else since some time in 1998] >Description: The -v and -i options on pstat(8) don't do what the manual claims. >How-To-Repeat: pstat -v >Fix: Just remove the -v and -i options from pstat.8, and probably any other mentions of vnodes in that file. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 11:43:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B5E37B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:43:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id UAA09140; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:43:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14gtwD-0007hF-00; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:43:01 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:43:01 +0100 From: Szilveszter Adam To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPSEC/VPN/NAT and filtering Message-ID: <20010324204301.A28945@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <10518.985201829@coconut.itojun.org> <20010324192333.9D2D5114069@netcom1.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010324192333.9D2D5114069@netcom1.netcom.com>; from mvh@ix.netcom.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 11:23:33AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Mike, On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 11:23:33AM -0800, Mike Harding wrote: > > Okay, I think I know enough now to procede in making a doc on > interacting with a Cisco VPN, with a very minor kernel change. Can > anybody suggest who I should contact to determine if this makes sense, > and how I can coordinate with the FreeBSD team? For documentation issues - including the ones you mentioned - there is always the freebsd-doc list, since members of the FreeBSD Doc Team tend to hang out there but not always on other lists. It is also a good place to post your drafts etc to for review and eventual inclusion. I think the idea is very good BTW, you can make a nice tutorial out of it. (This message has already been Cc:-d there to get the discussion going, the -security list should eventually be removed from recipients.) -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 12:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B132137B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2OKA7p82365; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:10:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103242010.f2OKA7p82365@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Udo Erdelhoff Subject: Re: docs/25919: SB Live works... Reply-To: Udo Erdelhoff Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25919; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Udo Erdelhoff To: lowell@world.std.com Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25919: SB Live works... Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:03:10 +0100 I do not think that we should lists the SB PCI and SB Live! without any kind of warning. I've used both of them with FreeBSD. We have enough support to use them for playback but AFAIK there are some features of these cards where the support is flaky and/or not present at all: - recording - support for the digital outputs - Dolby Stuff (for the new 5.1 models) - surrond sound (both 4 speaker and 5+1 speaker setups) Just my $0.02 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 14:26:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB337B71B; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2OMQiK99078; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:26:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103242226.f2OMQiK99078@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/25982: Broken links in FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Broken links in FAQ Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Mar 24 14:26:19 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll fix this stuff. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25982 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 14:30:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5880D37B71D for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:30:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2OMU8j99420; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:30:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:30:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103242230.f2OMU8j99420@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/25922: "Complete FreeBSD" in third edition, not second Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25922; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org, grog@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25922: "Complete FreeBSD" in third edition, not second Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:23:25 -0800 Hi grog Can you confirm this? I'll fix it if you're too busy to do it yourself, but I'd like to get your "okay" first. Thanks Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org Lowell Gilbert writes: > > >Number: 25922 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: "Complete FreeBSD" description outdated > > --- book.sgml~ Mon Mar 19 10:32:24 2001 > +++ book.sgml Mon Mar 19 10:34:30 2001 > @@ -602,13 +602,13 @@ > The definitive printed guide on FreeBSD is > The Complete FreeBSD, written by Greg Lehey and > published by BSDi (formerly Walnut Creek CDROM) Books. > - Now in its second > + Now in its third > - edition, the book contains 1,750 pages of install & system > + edition, the book contains 773 pages of install & system > administration guidance, program setup help, and manual pages. > The book (and current FreeBSD release) can be ordered from > BSDi, > CheapBytes, or > - at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-227-2. > + at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-246-9. > > Since FreeBSD is based upon Berkeley > 4.4BSD-Lite, most of the 4.4BSD manuals are applicable to To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 14:58:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E0D37B71D; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2OMwhL01596; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:58:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:58:43 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200103242258.f2OMwhL01596@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26054: obsolete options in man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: obsolete options in man page Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Mar 24 14:58:34 PST 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll fix this. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26054 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 15: 0: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 953FE37B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2ON07T01714; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:00:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103242300.f2ON07T01714@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/26003: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/26003; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: rwatson@freebsd.org Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26003: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:51:48 -0800 rwatson@freebsd.org writes: > > >Number: 26003 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not syslimits.h > >Fix: > > Modify man page to include syslimits.h, replicate value into types.h, > other bogosities of namespace, remove reference to NGROUPS_MAX in the man > page. Note clear which is the worst. I think mentioning syslimits.h in the man page is the best option. NGROUPS_MAX seems to fit in there nicely. If that's acceptable for you, I'll go ahead and fix that. > What does POSIX say about > getgroups()? I don't know, but wollman's "POSIX header file update" doesn't touch it (leaves it in syslimits.h), so it can't be that bad. Thanks Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 15:50:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from million.dp.ua (million.a-teleport.com [195.248.163.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A731837B71B for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kw@million.dp.ua) Received: from kw (kw.million.dp.ua [195.248.185.136]) by million.dp.ua (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2ONpOg67666 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:51:26 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kw@million.dp.ua) Message-ID: <000801c0b4b5$0d4d1690$88b9f8c3@kw> From: "Kulish Mihail" To: Subject: HPT366 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 01:52:05 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B4CE.31938CF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B4CE.31938CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello! I have Abit motherboard and HPT366 (High-point tech.) IDE UDMA66 = controller. Can I install FreeBSD 4.2 to this hard drives? Thanks beforehand. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B4CE.31938CF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello!
 
I have Abit motherboard and = HPT366=20 (High-point tech.) IDE UDMA66 controller.
Can I install FreeBSD 4.2 to this = hard=20 drives?
 
Thanks = beforehand.
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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 19:40: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C80637B71A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2P3e1o34674; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F38137B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2P3ZZR34430; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103250335.f2P3ZZR34430@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:35:35 -0800 (PST) From: opentrax@email.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26060: No man page for /etc/host.conf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26060 >Category: docs >Synopsis: No man page for /etc/host.conf >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Mar 24 19:40:01 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jesse Monroy >Release: 3.5-R >Organization: Digital Marshalls >Environment: FreeBSD jigsaw.svbug.com 3.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.5-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 11 04:32:50 PST 2000 jessem@jigsaw.svbug.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/JENAUDIO i386 >Description: No man page for /etc/host.conf >How-To-Repeat: man host.conf >Fix: There are some notes internal to the file, but not enough for a man page. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 20:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BB537B71B for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2P4A3Q38822; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:10:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:10:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103250410.f2P4A3Q38822@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: docs/25922: "Complete FreeBSD" in third edition, not second Reply-To: Greg Lehey Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25922; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Greg Lehey To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Lowell Gilbert , FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25922: "Complete FreeBSD" in third edition, not second Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:33:40 +0930 On Saturday, 24 March 2001 at 14:23:25 -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Hi grog > > Can you confirm this? I'll fix it if you're too busy to do it > yourself, but I'd like to get your "okay" first. > Lowell Gilbert writes: >> >>> Number: 25922 >>> Category: docs >>> Synopsis: "Complete FreeBSD" description outdated >> >> --- book.sgml~ Mon Mar 19 10:32:24 2001 >> +++ book.sgml Mon Mar 19 10:34:30 2001 >> @@ -602,13 +602,13 @@ >> The definitive printed guide on FreeBSD is >> The Complete FreeBSD, written by Greg Lehey and >> published by BSDi (formerly Walnut Creek CDROM) Books. >> - Now in its second >> + Now in its third >> - edition, the book contains 1,750 pages of install & system >> + edition, the book contains 773 pages of install & system This one is OK. >> administration guidance, program setup help, and manual pages. >> The book (and current FreeBSD release) can be ordered from >> BSDi, >> CheapBytes, or >> - at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-227-2. >> + at your favorite bookstore. The ISBN is 1-57176-246-9. They've just done a reprint, and it's possible that the ISBN has changed. I had the copies in my hands a couple of days ago, but I don't have them any more. I'd say go ahead and commit the change, but maybe add the caveat that ISBN numbers are not unique. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 24 21:17: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B9637B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Received: from cfcl.com (cpe-24-221-169-54.ca.sprintbbd.net [24.221.169.54]) by idiom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA85001; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.168.205] (cerberus [192.168.168.205]) by cfcl.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2P5I6V41147; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:18:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rdm@cfcl.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:43:17 -0800 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org From: Rich Morin Subject: web site navigation issues Cc: www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not sure how to write a PR for this, so here's the raw info: I was looking at the "FreeBSD in the Press" page http://www.freebsd.org/news/press.html and noticed that it did not mention some of my recent articles. So, I looked at the instructions for adding links: If you miss an entry please send the URL to www@FreeBSD.ORG. I clicked on the link, expecting a mailto. Nope it's another page: http://www.freebsd.org/mailto.html Nothing here about submitting article links. Well, maybe: Who Is Responsible for What Public Relations & Corporate Liaison, Security Officer, Postmaster, Webmaster etc. So I clicked on this link, getting to http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/staff-who.html "Who Is Responsible for What" Unfortunately, nowhere on that page was the webmaster address given. So, I wandered my way back to the original page, realized that the text of the link was actually the address I needed all along, and composed this note. It may be that I'm the only person who has ever gotten confused by this setup, but the fact that I got pulled into such a runaround may indicate that the navigation is not all that it should be. While I'm on the subject, I'd like to suggest that the servers be set up so that "freebsd.org" can be used as browser shorthand for "www.freebsd.org"; currently, this just hangs... -r P.S. Here are the article references: http://www.unixinsider.com/swol-11-2000/swol-1110-silicon.html "BSDCon 2000: A small, tasty conference" http://www.unixinsider.com/swol-12-2000/swol-1229-silicon.html "Documentation for eclectic systems" http://www.unixinsider.com/swol-01-2001/swol-0119-silicon.html "Building a browser for the FreeBSD file tree" -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm - home page, resume, etc. http://www.cfcl.com/Meta/md_fb.html - The FreeBSD Browser email: rdm@cfcl.com; phone: +1 650-873-7841 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message