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murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f4DED6821474; Sun, 13 May 2001 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 07:13:06 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86 chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200105111020.f4BAKZt63758@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved over to -doc from cvs-all] On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Which reminds me. Chapter 22 ("Adding new Kernel Config Options") and > 25 ("FreeBSD Internals") of the Handbook can probably migrate wholesale > in to to the Developer's Handbook. > > Chapter 22 can probably become a new chapter 9 in Part III. > > Sections 25.1 and 25.2 move in to the Virtual Memory part of the Dev. > Handbook (perhaps renaming that chapter to "Memory Management" or > similar). Section 25.3 can become an IPv6 chapter in the Networking > part of the Dev. Handbook. > > What do you think? I agree. What do you think about Chapter 21? I would move that over to the Developers Handbook as well. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 8:31:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3594E37B423; Sun, 13 May 2001 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4DFUA065336; Sun, 13 May 2001 16:30:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:29:54 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86 chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20010513162953.B91912@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200105111020.f4BAKZt63758@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XF85m9dhOBO43t/C" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@freebsd.org on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 07:13:06AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 07:13:06AM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > [Moved over to -doc from cvs-all] >=20 > On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Which reminds me. Chapter 22 ("Adding new Kernel Config Options") and > > 25 ("FreeBSD Internals") of the Handbook can probably migrate wholesale > > in to to the Developer's Handbook. > >=20 > > Chapter 22 can probably become a new chapter 9 in Part III. > >=20 > > Sections 25.1 and 25.2 move in to the Virtual Memory part of the Dev. > > Handbook (perhaps renaming that chapter to "Memory Management" or > > similar). Section 25.3 can become an IPv6 chapter in the Networking > > part of the Dev. Handbook. > >=20 > > What do you think? >=20 > I agree. What do you think about Chapter 21? I would move that > over to the Developers Handbook as well. 21.1, 21.2, and 21.3 are all Committer's Guide material I think (which is probably on the verge of becoming a Committer's Handbook). 21.4 strikes me as being Developer Handbook stuff. Looking at it, the text in 21.1 can probably be nuked, as the Committer's Guide covers that already. Thoughts? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjr+qHAACgkQk6gHZCw343VWQQCfWeFVfs27q5XRsdU2pLu2H/Uk jk0AoJYSneWJDzAAX2AYVNbmHkhcEyzs =gOvk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XF85m9dhOBO43t/C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 9:26:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B05437B424; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4DGQaO11425; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105131626.f4DGQaO11425@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bill@twwells.com, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26980: bad link on freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: bad link on freebsd.org State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun May 13 09:26:08 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Hopefully the current problems with ftp.freebsd.org are adequately flagged on the home page. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26980 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 9:27:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BC037B422; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4DGROU11556; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105131627.f4DGROU11556@freefall.freebsd.org> To: naddy@mips.inka.de, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26973: doc.images.mk fails for obj build Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: doc.images.mk fails for obj build State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun May 13 09:27:15 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26973 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 9:35: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7606137B42C; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4DGZ0N12348; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:35:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105131635.f4DGZ0N12348@freefall.freebsd.org> To: edwin@mavetju.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26743: developers-handbook: makefiles and depend Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: developers-handbook: makefiles and depend State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Sun May 13 09:34:49 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26743 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 16:52:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from warm.lightrealm.com (warm.lightrealm.com [216.122.84.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716F737B424 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 16:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fire@warm.lightrealm.com) Received: from warm.lightrealm.com (c1529030-a.sttln1.wa.home.com [65.0.16.197]) by warm.lightrealm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17419 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AFF1E9A.745C4BBC@warm.lightrealm.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 16:54:11 -0700 From: flame X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: News groups Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. Why do all the news groups spit out a message of "unable to locate server news , please check the name and try again when I try to connect to them? Ryan Fire@warm.lightrealm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 17:37:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDA637B423; Sun, 13 May 2001 17:37:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4E0aN573048; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:36:23 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:36:23 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Doug Young Cc: Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Doug Young , Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:37:35AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved, it's a -doc issue now (was advocacy and newbies)] On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:37:35AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > > And that is exactly the problem faced by many newbies: not knowing > > where to look, nor realising they're there when they've found it. > They > > can't tell because there are concepts that they don't have, and when > > they look at the documentation they might find vaguely familiar > words > > which are not used in every day speech and which have a particular > > meaning to people with a formal computer education. > > > :) ..... its called "martian" .... or maybe I'm confused & its really > "venusian" !!! I thought it was Klingon :-) Whatever it is, your MUA's line-wrapper seems to have come from the same place :-) I'll rewrap for you. > There is a limit to how much martian / venusian most of us can absorb > in a hurry. For many people its very limited, so since the official > folk didn't learn to speak the same language the majority of regular > folk do it appears that meaningful docs can only be written by a team > comprising someone with a reasonable grasp of english (or whatever > language), an expert or two in a consultancy role, plus an > interpreter who may not be an expert developer but speaks both the > developer language & english (or whatever) The problem we have is that the people with the skills to execute these good ideas, either don't contribute them to our docs (and we're left with a volunteer staff of hard working Klingons trying their very best), OR, they go off and do their own thing somewhere else, which is great to have but fails to enrich the FreeBSD docs in any way. Like so many things round here, we have lots of people ready to jump up with good ideas, even more people weeing themselves with excitement at the chance to code the infrastructure, but hardly a soul to do the actual work. This applies to FreeBSD doc ideas as much as it does to support ideas. "If you build it they will come" is a naive view does not work for support/docs, but it has been a popular pipe dream for the several years that I've been watching. Better docs/support requires supply of prose, not code. The first thing we need is people, working within the community, to do the stuff. You can sketch out a few docs and send them to freebsd-doc. I find SGML intimidating, but plain text is fine. If it's valid and useful, after feedback and editing and completion someone will step forward and mark it up and commit it for you. Anyone who doesn't want a precious word of their prose altered will have to do it some other way, of course. And there are other reasons why some people keep their docs sepaparte from the FreeBSD docs. But in general, we need people contributing to docs if there is going to ever be any improvement. And we need bums on seats and text on file, way way way before we need more should-be and should-be-nots and code. > > With these, once you've seen them in a unix context they're > > obvious, but they don't have instant meaning that leaps out for a > > beginner. > > > So why the commandment "Thou shalt never use visual representations" > (aka screenshots) ?? Hey maybe the docs folk are all visually > impaired & use one of those screenreader apps like "Jaws". Might > explain why all "official" docs muddle through with largely > unintelligible text rather than the 'picture tells a thousand words" > approach No, it's because nobody has submitted them for inclusion. That's how everything that's in the docs already has got there. If you have something worth adding, check on -doc that nobody's already working on the same thing, sound out your ideas, and send them to -doc for review. You could be surprised what makes it through that process simply due to the absence of any alternative. > Exactly .... maybe then we'd have official docs with words on the > pages rather than simply chapter headings & virtually blank pages !!! Exactly. > Where I started with this thread was trying to discover if its > reasonably feasable to write a step_by_step HOWTO about X-windows. Please, please do! And please do it as part of the FreeBSD Doc Project if you can. Then after it's done, you will become a role model who has found an omission and gone on to correct it, and others might follow. > > > > Exactly what are we expecting newcomers to know, and > > why can't we state those expectations clearly? > > > Thats a very good question & I'll be very interested to see the > responses :) Maybe some of the -doc people have thought about this. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 17:45: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45EBB37B423 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDAVNW00.ACJ; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:50:20 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Formulae-1-MailRouter V2.9c 17/8806801); 14 May 2001 10:44:58 Message-ID: <02c401c0dc0f$1a80e950$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Sue Blake" Cc: "Rahul Siddharthan" , "Kathy Quinlan" , "N6REJ" , References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: I'm leaving Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:44:58 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > :) ..... its called "martian" .... or maybe I'm confused & its really > > "venusian" !!! > > I thought it was Klingon :-) Whatever it is, your MUA's line-wrapper > seems to have come from the same place :-) I'll rewrap for you. > Ahhhhhhhh ... thanks Sue :) ..... I knew it would take a woman to come up with a logical answer !!!! The mailer is an OE6 thing that installed itself one day when I was away & it apparently ignores anything I tell it (hmmmm now where have I heard that before ??) > Unfortunately I've got some client problems demanding my attendance so I'd better go fix the things. I'll spend some time later tonight cogitating your comments & respond accordingly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun May 13 20:27:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023EE37B423; Sun, 13 May 2001 20:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f4E3RSb27045; Sun, 13 May 2001 20:27:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 20:27:28 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86 chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20010513202728.C21726@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200105111020.f4BAKZt63758@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010513162953.B91912@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010513162953.B91912@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 04:29:54PM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 04:29:54PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Chapter 22 can probably become a new chapter 9 in Part III. Should we ask for a repo-copy of handbook/kernelconfig to developers-handbook/kernelconfig? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 4:42:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin1.bigpond.com (juicer13.bigpond.com [139.134.6.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A43137B422 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDBQ3H00.14L; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:47:41 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Old-Fashioned-MailRouter V2.9c 17/9091055); 14 May 2001 21:42:19 Message-ID: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Sue Blake" , , "Rahul Siddharthan" , "Kathy Quinlan" , "N6REJ" References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:42:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The problem we have is that the people with the skills to execute > these good ideas, either don't contribute them to our docs (and > we're left with a volunteer staff of hard working Klingons trying > their very best), OR, they go off and do their own thing somewhere > else, which is great to have but fails to enrich the FreeBSD docs > in any way. > Well this is the second time I've subscribed to the docs list. Last time I gave up on it after a few months because I hadn't comprehended even one posting. It appeared quite obvious at the time that the inhabitants were only interested in waffling on about docbook or other esoterica rather than producing documentation meaningful to those who need it. I'm quite prepared to provide my Pedantic FreeBSD material, providing its not turned into something like the existing man pages .... the vast majority of which are totally incomprehensible to all but the experts. > Like so many things round here, we have lots of people ready > to jump up with good ideas, even more people weeing themselves > with excitement at the chance to code the infrastructure, but hardly > a soul to do the actual work. This applies to FreeBSD doc ideas > as much as it does to support ideas. "If you build it they will come" > is a naive view does not work for support/docs, but it has been a > popular pipe dream for the several years that I've been watching. > Better docs/support requires supply of prose, not code. > > Anyone who doesn't want a precious word of their prose altered > will have to do it some other way, of course. And there are other > reasons why some people keep their docs sepaparte from the FreeBSD docs. Certainly true ... if the intent of the docs fraternity is to turn everything into unintelligible verbiage as unfortunately appears to be the case. I made a comment earlier about the lack of any form of diagram / graphics / screenshot. Whilst it may be the case that nobody has thought to provide such (as you infer), but that seems beyond belief to me ... surely every adult on the planet has heard about "a picture tells a thousand words". Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have this feeling that there is an unwritten commandment "Thou shalt not allow things that make it straightforward for newcomers". An example that comes to mind is the age old issue of ppp configuration that causes untold headaches for 90% of converts from other religions. That ppp_conf.sh shell script that fixes the thing in 20 seconds flat has been lurking around the place since before JC played fullback for Jerusalem, but where is any mention of it found in official docs ?? Surely if documentation is meant to show people how to do stuff its reasonable to expect something as significant as this to rate a mention ?? Theres undoubtedly a million other comparable things out there someplace but the only way to discover them is by accident. > But in general, we need people contributing to docs if there is going > to ever be any improvement. And we need bums on seats and text on file, > way way way before we need more should-be and should-be-nots and code. > Thankfully its not quite as bad in the FreeBSD encampment as in the linux one, where one religiously checks for a new kernel every morning before breakfast, however I do agree that "we need bums on seats and text on file, way way way before we need more should-be and should-be-nots and code" > > > Where I started with this thread was trying to discover if its > > reasonably feasable to write a step_by_step HOWTO about X-windows. > > Please, please do! And please do it as part of the FreeBSD Doc Project > if you can. Then after it's done, you will become a role model who has > found an omission and gone on to correct it, and others might follow. > Well I did expect at least some response to my query about "what videocards typically work properly all the time", but the deafening silence so far suggests that the issue is somewhat of a yawn for the regulars. I'm not inclined to stuff around ad infinitum with X documentation if nobody has the interest to answer a question like that ..... its certainly not a matter of earth shatttering importance to me & I do have plenty of productive things on which to spend my time. Which reminds me I'd better get working on a talk about the Pedantic FreeBSD / use of the o/s as a gateway / router on cable / DSL connections / etc I've been "volunteered" to give to the Ausbug folk on Thursday evening. One never knows ..... might even convert a few from one or other of those other major religions :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 6:46: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C14037B422 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 06:45:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f4EBqkR10296 ; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id NAA49301 ; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:53:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:53:09 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Doug Young Cc: Sue Blake , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Kathy Quinlan Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010514135309.B48638@lpt.ens.fr> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:42:18PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org (trimmed the original "I'm leaving" poster) > Well this is the second time I've subscribed to the docs list. I just subscribed too, for the first time. I will try and contribute, at least to whatever I'm comfortable with... It seems to me that back issues of Daemonnews FreeBSDzine, etc have lots of useful articles which are rather hard to locate for beginners. So one thing I have in mind is make an index for them (with links to the original articles), classified by subject, and perhaps with short summaries. Think it's a good idea? For some things like XFree, the linux howtos are definitely a useful resource too. -Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 8:41:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hillcos.com (mail.hillcos.com [208.25.181.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938E437B424 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davidr@hillcos.com) Received: from calvin2 (calvin2.pow.hillcos.com [10.0.1.23]) by hillcos.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA67074 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 08:41:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davidr@hillcos.com) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010514083840.00ac16e0@hillco.hillcos.com> X-Sender: davidr@hillco.hillcos.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:41:53 -0700 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: "David A. Roger - Hillco" Subject: Ports collection ftp5.freebsd.org not TAR files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trying to access latest Ports, links point to ftp5.freebds.org as not tar files. Mirror site linked to This is xyz.lcs.mit.edu, which has mirrors for several public archives and software distributions, including: o AfterStep o Comprehensive Perl Archive Network [*] o FreeBSD [*] o ftp.ietf.org [*] o NetBSD (updated weekly) o PostgreSQL o Tcl/Tk [*] o ftp.x.org (updated weekly) [*] o XFree86 [*] David A. Roger Director of Information Technology The Hill Companies, Inc. San Diego, CA davidr@hillcos.com Phone: (858) 513-1699 Fax: (858) 513-1460 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 9:12: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cluck.stealthchickens.org (cluck.stealthchickens.org [209.192.217.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C45437B423 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 09:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from guinness.osdn.com (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cluck.stealthchickens.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4EGC3211942; Mon, 14 May 2001 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: by guinness.osdn.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A36D898; Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:11:58 -0400 From: Jim Mock To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.18i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Cc list trimmed.. ] On Mon, 14 May 2001 at 21:42:18 +1000, Doug Young wrote: > Well this is the second time I've subscribed to the docs list. Last > time I gave up on it after a few months because I hadn't comprehended > even one posting. It appeared quite obvious at the time that the > inhabitants were only interested in waffling on about docbook or other > esoterica rather than producing documentation meaningful to those who > need it. Erm, "waffling on about docbook" is part of what this list is all about. It's what the documentation project uses to create the docs. This is what the handbook has to say about this list: freebsd-doc Creating FreeBSD related documents Talk about DocBook is certainly within the scope of this list. The handbook's goal is to be a technical reference. That it is. If you are expecting it to be a newbie-hand-holding walkthrough type document, you will be disappointed. It's not one, and nor is it meant to be in its current incarnation. This once again brings up the topic of a "New Users Handbook". I started work on this last year at USENIX (almost a year ago now), but due to a lack of general interest and a lack of time on my part, I haven't touched it since (as a matter of fact, I'm not sure if I even still have it). If you're wondering what I'm talking about, take a look at the -doc mailing list archives from June-July of last year. I agree that this needs to be done. Unfortunately, I have a real job and a life that takes most of my time these days, and more often than not the last thing I feel like doing after I get home from work is sitting in front of a computer. > > Anyone who doesn't want a precious word of their prose altered will > > have to do it some other way, of course. And there are other reasons > > why some people keep their docs sepaparte from the FreeBSD docs. > > Certainly true ... if the intent of the docs fraternity is to turn > everything into unintelligible verbiage as unfortunately appears to be > the case. Patches and contributions are welcome. What gives you the right to rip into the documentation project when you haven't contributed anything? Frankly, we have enough armchair generals out there and need some people to start writing instead of complaining. This is an open source project. If you don't like something, *YOU* have the ability to submit changes to make it better. If you don't like the way the doc project does things, contribute somewhere else. I'm always happy to receive articles for the FreeBSD 'zine, so stop complaining and start writing :-) > I made a comment earlier about the lack of any form of > diagram/graphics/screenshot. Whilst it may be the case that nobody > has thought to provide such (as you infer), but that seems beyond > belief to me ... surely every adult on the planet has heard about > "a picture tells a thousand words". Support for images was only brought into the tree not that long ago. Again, patches and contributions are welcome. > Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have this feeling that there is an > unwritten commandment "Thou shalt not allow things that make it > straightforward for newcomers". Not only are you cynical, you're totally off the mark. As I said before, the handbook, as it exists right now, is not meant to be a newbie guide. It is meant to be a technical reference, and it does that quite well. > An example that comes to mind is the age old issue of ppp > configuration that causes untold headaches for 90% of converts from > other religions. That ppp_conf.sh shell script that fixes the thing > in 20 seconds flat has been lurking around the place since before JC > played fullback for Jerusalem, but where is any mention of it found > in official docs ?? Surely if documentation is meant to show people > how to do stuff its reasonable to expect something as significant as > this to rate a mention ?? Theres undoubtedly a million other > comparable things out there someplace but the only way to discover > them is by accident. What is ppp_conf.sh? I've never heard of it until I read your message. My guess is that nobody has ever mentioned it on this list, and nobody took a few minutes to write up something about it and send a PR so mention of it could be added. > > > Where I started with this thread was trying to discover if its > > > reasonably feasable to write a step_by_step HOWTO about X-windows. > > > > Please, please do! And please do it as part of the FreeBSD Doc > > Project if you can. Then after it's done, you will become a role > > model who has found an omission and gone on to correct it, and > > others might follow. > > Well I did expect at least some response to my query about "what > videocards typically work properly all the time", but the deafening > silence so far suggests that the issue is somewhat of a yawn for the > regulars. The issue is not a FreeBSD issue, it is an X issue. FreeBSD doesn't really care what video card you have in your system, however, X does. There is a list of supported cards on www.xfree86.org. Using a card in the list ensures it will be supported. > I'm not inclined to stuff around ad infinitum with X documentation if > nobody has the interest to answer a question like that ..... its > certainly not a matter of earth shatttering importance to me & I do > have plenty of productive things on which to spend my time. See above. You're looking in the wrong place for the answer to your question. > Which reminds me I'd better get working on a talk about the > Pedantic FreeBSD / use of the o/s as a gateway / router on cable / > DSL connections / etc I've been "volunteered" to give to the Ausbug > folk on Thursday evening. One never knows ..... might even convert a > few from one or other of those other major religions :) Good luck with your talk :-) - jim -- - jim mock - O|S|D|N - open source development network - - http://www.freebsdzine.org/ - jim@freebsdzine.org - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 9:41:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CB637B424; Mon, 14 May 2001 09:41:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4EGffU13082; Mon, 14 May 2001 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4EGfYQ44772; Mon, 14 May 2001 09:41:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200105141641.f4EGfYQ44772@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org, bmah@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Relnotes on the web site In-Reply-To: <20010512073025.BC6243E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010512073025.BC6243E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Sat, 12 May 2001 00:30:25 -0700." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-77323666P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:41:34 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-77323666P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Some random notes: Some random comments... > - When RELNOTESng is MFC'd to releng_4, it would be nice to have the > src/release/doc for current be side by side with the src/release/doc > for stable. I.e., have on directory named 'relnotes-current' and > another 'relnotes-stable'. The names themselves or their position > relative to www/en are of no concern (of course, someone has to > tell me). I'd like to do the MFC once things settle down a bit first and we know that the Web site build works, etc. We're not *quite* there yet. > - At the beginning, building the relnotes with the web site should > probably be optional; i.e., conditional on some make variable > being set (like we have WEB_ONLY). If we want to do this (and I > think we should), someone will also have to arrange for that to be > set on freefall for the web build. > - I don't know how mirrors want to or can deal with this. Nothing > will stop them from building the relnotes as well, but I guess it > shouldn't be requied, at least not at first. Bruce? Comments? I'd like to strongly encourage the mirrors to pick this up. After the necessary changes get made to freefall and a short settling period, I am going to cvs rm the *.TXT files in -CURRENT and make RELNOTESng the default for -CURRENT release builds. Couple of food-for-thought items: 1. We might want to put some suitable HTML text in www/en/relnotes to point browsers at the different documents available. For the moment, we can navigate the directory tree, which shouldn't be fatal. :-) 2. Note that INSTALL.TXT (aka INSTALL.PDF, INSTALL.HTM) on the release disks is really generated out of a directory called "installation" (having a document subdirectory called "install" causes the build to fall over). There's a hack in src/release/Makefile to do this transformation. I am not recommending that we do this for the Web site RELNOTESng, but I thought I'd point this out. This looks great to me...somebody please get this in place so I can nuke old RELNOTES! :-) Bruce. --==_Exmh_-77323666P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE7AAq+2MoxcVugUsMRAl/zAKC1mR/yrGfwjKQvSAOBBrC84rf5EQCfR8fr JCocgKHKdtPLeBMYcj9Hgx0= =f+HG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-77323666P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 10: 3:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ebola.biohz.net (ebola.biohz.net [206.80.1.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7C837B424 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:03:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from renaud@waldura.org) Received: from renaud (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ebola.biohz.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97A8611513D for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701c0dc97$bedb7640$2301010a@zerog.int> From: "Renaud Waldura" To: Subject: Name mis-spelled in FreeBSD document Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:03:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear FreeBSD doc, My name is spelled incorrectly in this document: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html It's "Renaud" not "Renauld" -- no 'L'. The article referred to is also hosted at http://renaud.waldura.com/doc/freebsd/pppoe/. You may want to provide an alternate location. Thanks! --Renaud To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 10:31:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4674937B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4EHQ7B24751; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:26:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:26:02 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86 chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20010514182602.B22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200105111020.f4BAKZt63758@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010513162953.B91912@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513202728.C21726@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010513202728.C21726@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, May 13, 2001 at 08:27:28PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 08:27:28PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 04:29:54PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Chapter 22 can probably become a new chapter 9 in Part III. >=20 > Should we ask for a repo-copy of handbook/kernelconfig to > developers-handbook/kernelconfig? My personal preference is no. I'd be quite happy with something like cp handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml developers-handbook/kernelconfig cvs remove handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml cvs add developers-handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml cvs commit -m "Moved from the Handbook to the Developer's Handbook, \ see handbook/kernelconfig/chapter.sgml for old history." which is, IMHO, the way CVS is supposed to be used. I still don't understand why we don't do this more often. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsAFSkACgkQk6gHZCw343UNfwCgkwm/QUdXEH1bxmBs2yQXTELA ZxcAnRNPOWXc4lsR8xRWksC5eGMJH+xc =+j+2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 10:32:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6C537B422 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4EHMC924737; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:22:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:21:56 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Doug Young Cc: Sue Blake , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:42:18PM +1000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:42:18PM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > I'm quite prepared to provide my Pedantic FreeBSD material,=20 I'll need the source (presumably you're using LinuxDoc) and all the images. > I made a > comment earlier about the lack of any form of diagram / graphics / > screenshot. The following documents feature diagrams: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/design-44bsd/index.ht= ml http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/index.= html When I remember to turn it on in the build, so will http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design/index.ht= ml > Whilst it may be the case that nobody has thought to provide such (as > you infer), but that seems beyond belief to me ... surely every adult on = the > planet has heard about "a picture tells a thousand words". Some of us just don't have the artistic skills. If you would like to submit a picture or diagram to go with any of the documentation, please do so, preferably using send-pr. > Maybe I'm just cynical, but I have this feeling that there is an > unwritten > commandment "Thou shalt not allow things that make it straightforward > for newcomers". An example that comes to mind is the age old issue of > ppp configuration that causes untold headaches for 90% of converts > from other religions. That ppp_conf.sh shell script that fixes the > thing in > 20 seconds flat has been lurking around the place since before JC > played fullback for Jerusalem, but where is any mention of it found in > official docs ?? Surely if documentation is meant to show people how > to > do stuff its reasonable to expect something as significant as this to > rate a > mention ??=20 I've never heard of it before, for one, and=20 locate ppp_conf.sh doesn't turn it up. Details? > Well I did expect at least some response to my query about "what > videocards typically work properly all the time", but the deafening=20 > silence so far suggests that the issue is somewhat of a yawn for the=20 > regulars.=20 Or that it's better served by the asking the XFree86 people? [ F'rinstance -- personally, I'm using a Matrox Millennium II with XFree86 4.0.3. I've got no idea if this is a good or bad card, or even if I've configured it for the maximum amount of speed. But it does work. ] N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsAFDMACgkQk6gHZCw343USDACfeekBIju6jL4EW1Lj/df+ORLA 76UAn2ST9IHwBpKphOk23uDm5QkIHt7M =6Voe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 10:37: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F062D37B422 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from moulic@lucent.com) Received: from auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.1.1/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f4EHb2e03462 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from surfer.amc.bell-labs.com (h135-17-5-100.lucent.com [135.17.5.100]) by auemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.1.1/Switch-2.1.0) with ESMTP id f4EHb1m03434 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucent.com ([135.17.5.222]) by surfer.amc.bell-labs.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA55000 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B00181B.3902A6DC@lucent.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:38:35 -0400 From: Chandra Mouli Reply-To: moulic@lucent.com Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 10:53:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C1637B43E; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:53:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f4EHr6J37053; Mon, 14 May 2001 10:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:53:06 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Jim Mock Cc: Doug Young , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010514105306.C35997@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com>; from jim@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:58PM -0400 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:11:58PM -0400, Jim Mock wrote: > This once again brings up the topic of a "New Users Handbook". I > started work on this last year at USENIX (almost a year ago now), but > due to a lack of general interest and a lack of time on my part, I > haven't touched it since (as a matter of fact, I'm not sure if I even > still have it). If you're wondering what I'm talking about, take a look > at the -doc mailing list archives from June-July of last year. Randy Pratt's Install Preview document looks interesting for new users. He's got tens of screenshots of the boot process and sysinstall to complement a step-by-step installation walk through. After all the 45+ minute calls I've witnessed here at BSDi where some unfortunate tech has to walk someone through sysinstall, I can definitely see where this document could be useful. His original HTML version is linked from the tutorials section of the web site, and I've got him started on a conversion to DocBook so we can import it to the tree : http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/install/article.html (apologies, I should have built this with html-split) http://people.freebsd.org/~murray/install/article.sgml The conversion to DocBook is only about half done. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 11: 0:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAAC37B43C for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:00:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EI0GE61451 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105141800.f4EI0GE61451@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/01/05] docs/24083 doc change layout and content of kernel build o [2001/01/15] docs/24363 doc lack of explanation o [2001/05/05] docs/27099 doc newbies project file references incorrect 5 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver f [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2000/12/22] docs/23767 doc ifconfig(8) manual page does not document o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/03] docs/24839 doc fix ether.bridge o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/02/28] docs/25450 doc remove NCPU from docs o [2001/03/10] docs/25648 doc typos in some manpages (dependant) o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/12] docs/25735 doc error in handbook o [2001/03/15] bin/25837 docs [PATCH] properly document vfc_flags in ge o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/18] docs/25892 doc doc.html.mk: use OpenJade on alpha o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/22] docs/26001 doc typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy o [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/03/24] docs/26060 doc No man page for /etc/host.conf o [2001/03/28] docs/26194 doc BSD Family Tree needs updated o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/10] docs/26489 doc incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP f [2001/04/13] docs/26532 doc ".lQ ?" becomes "`'?" through nroff (and o [2001/04/14] docs/26574 doc Incorrect link in individual ports README o [2001/04/18] docs/26692 doc boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in o [2001/04/21] misc/26742 doc misleading information in handbook o [2001/04/25] docs/26861 doc accept(2) manpage documents non-existant o [2001/04/28] docs/26941 doc external link on your web page has moved. o [2001/04/29] bin/26943 docs [patch] description of :C modifier is mis o [2001/05/02] docs/27027 doc Update src/share/misc/iso639 o [2001/05/02] docs/27028 doc LINT comment for USER_LDT should mention o [2001/05/02] docs/27040 doc rc(8) and syscons(4) talk about rc.conf.l o [2001/05/06] docs/27161 doc manual format is unstable o [2001/05/08] docs/27209 doc [PATCH] ascii.7 table rearrangement and u o [2001/05/12] docs/27284 doc new FAQ entry 67 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 11:24:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A2E37B424; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EIOgx67414; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105141824.f4EIOgx67414@freefall.freebsd.org> To: y-koga@jp.FreeBSD.org, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, green@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26532: ".Ql ?" becomes "`'?" through nroff (and man) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ".Ql ?" becomes "`'?" through nroff (and man) State-Changed-From-To: feedback->analyzed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Mon May 14 11:22:32 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: A more complete patch is at http://www.FreeBSD.org/~ru/crypto_openssh.patch. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->green Responsible-Changed-By: ru Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 14 11:22:32 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to the maintainer. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 11:36:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF537B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4EIa3330270; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: jim@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) In-Reply-To: <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com> References: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010514113603G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:36:03 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 4 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have to agree with the sentiment Jim expresses in his message. Everything he's said is right on the mark! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 11:40:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5A137B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EIejm69459; Mon, 14 May 2001 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:40:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105141840.f4EIejm69459@freefall.freebsd.org> To: k-fuji@za2.so-net.ne.jp, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27161: manual format is unstable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: manual format is unstable State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Mon May 14 11:40:22 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27161 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 12:48: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFCB37B42C; Mon, 14 May 2001 12:48:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.28]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA02821; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:46:29 +0200 Received: by zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 11B3714CA9; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:43:59 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Nik Clayton Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86 chapter.sgml Message-ID: <20010514194359.A10252@zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.d> References: <200105111020.f4BAKZt63758@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010513145425.A92463@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513071306.C18491@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010513162953.B91912@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010513202728.C21726@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <20010514182602.B22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010514182602.B22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 06:26:02PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@FreeBSD.ORG): > which is, IMHO, the way CVS is supposed to be used. I still don't > understand why we don't do this more often. I think it's because from time to time the CVS rep is cleaned up. Maybe not for doc/. Alex --=20 cat: /home/alex/.sig: No such file or directory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 13:30:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB10737B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from alex@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EKUug85284; Mon, 14 May 2001 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105142030.f4EKUug85284@freefall.freebsd.org> To: alex@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.org, will@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/26943: [patch] description of :C modifier is misplaced in make.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [patch] description of :C modifier is misplaced in make.1 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-docs->will Responsible-Changed-By: alex Responsible-Changed-When: Mon May 14 13:27:55 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: make is will's foo. Will, you added the :C modifier, could you please consider this update to the manpage? http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26943 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 14: 1:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6B237B424 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 14:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4EKhVg31154; Mon, 14 May 2001 21:43:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:43:31 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Renaud Waldura Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Name mis-spelled in FreeBSD document Message-ID: <20010514214331.D22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <000701c0dc97$bedb7640$2301010a@zerog.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000701c0dc97$bedb7640$2301010a@zerog.int>; from renaud@waldura.org on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:03:05AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:03:05AM -0700, Renaud Waldura wrote: > My name is spelled incorrectly in this document: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html >=20 > It's "Renaud" not "Renauld" -- no 'L'. Just fixed it. It should go live on the website shortly. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsAQ3MACgkQk6gHZCw343XEaACfYrpPw5l8/CAAIUrcQtkPkAOT 4jwAn1Dg3aJMn5KyMUNRgYs2XvD6ztZc =pE0g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 14:22:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin1.bigpond.com (juicer13.bigpond.com [139.134.6.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56CB37B423 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.53]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCGY100.C23; Tue, 15 May 2001 07:27:37 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail0.bigpond.com (Claudes-Ultra-Violet-MailRouter V2.9c 13/2491879); 15 May 2001 07:22:27 Message-ID: <00af01c0dcbb$f2fa2a10$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Rahul Siddharthan" Cc: "Sue Blake" , , "Kathy Quinlan" References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514135309.B48638@lpt.ens.fr> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:22:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I just subscribed too, for the first time. I will try and > contribute, at least to whatever I'm comfortable with... > Well I guess its like we say in OZ ..... "avagoyamug" ..... which for the benefit of those not from the land of the pacific peso means something like "nothing ventured, nothing gained" > It seems to me that back issues of Daemonnews FreeBSDzine, etc have > lots of useful articles which are rather hard to locate for beginners. > So one thing I have in mind is make an index for them (with links to > the original articles), classified by subject, and perhaps with short > summaries. Think it's a good idea? > As I see it, the folk yelling "all the info you need is already available" are partly correct, however its spread out over an area many times that of the Sahara so to all intents & purposes it might as well be on mars (specially considering that much of the info is in that language anyway !!). My idea is to collect just the snippets immediately relevant to a given objective & distill those into a single "task based" document To use my "Pedantic FreeBSD" as an example ... I needed a document that walked someone unfamiliar with unix through installation / configuration as a gateway / router / mailserver. Obviously this needed a fair amount of ppp setup info since thats always been a female canine to setup. Now to follow the "official" track would require a newbie to devote several weeks at least familiarizing themselves with a million subjects, most of which are virtually irrelevant to the task at hand & thus adding to their already "panic stages" disorientation. Remember the primary object here is to get a FreeBSD box running the ppp connection to the ISP & sharing that with a LAN .... its NOT to turn a beginner into an "all knowing, all seeing expert" in two weeks. Remember the old story .... "its pretty difficult to remember your primary objective was to drain the swamp when you are up to your a**e in alligators!!" > For some things like XFree, the linux howtos are definitely a useful > resource too. Yeah I guess .... I'm not exactly a fan of anything linux (for a start I absolutely refuse to indulge in that facing California / chanting 'Our Linus' bit & I don't believe that Comrade Gates is the Antichrist), however the XFree thing did apparently originate there so maybe thats a good place to "pirate" some stuff :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 15:30: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73C337B42C for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EMU0t10322; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A0237B42C for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EMRca09054; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105142227.f4EMRca09054@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27320: excessively vague information in pppoe page of Handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27320 >Category: docs >Synopsis: excessively vague information in pppoe page of Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon May 14 15:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Doug Young >Release: 4.3 RELEASE (irrelevant) >Organization: >Environment: irrelevant ... see under >Description: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html has a link "Care should be taken when running PPPoE with the -nat option." When the link is followed there is a list of 29 items, only #24 appears relevant to the -nat option. Since many users would have no interest whatever in whether or not games get broken, I'd like to see this item clarified with a mention at the pppoe page that this relates to games ONLY. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 15:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53CA37B423 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4EMo3T20952; Mon, 14 May 2001 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105142250.f4EMo3T20952@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/27320: excessively vague information in pppoe page of Handbook Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/27320; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27320: excessively vague information in pppoe page of Handbook Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:40:25 -0700 Please wrap your lines at 72 characters. Thanks. dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au writes: > > >Number: 27320 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: excessively vague information in pppoe page of Handbook > >Description: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html > has a link "Care should be taken when running PPPoE with the -nat > option." When the link is followed there is a list of 29 items, only > #24 appears relevant to the -nat option. Since many users would have > no interest whatever in whether or not games get broken, I'd like to > see this item clarified with a mention at the pppoe page that this > relates to games ONLY. I think there are two separate, albeit similar, issues here. First is that the page you mention above links to a nonexistent FAQ entry. Apparently the author was planning on writing one, and made the link, but never got around to it. The second issue is that the FAQ entry about games not working with -nat is short-sighted; the issue is that software which assumes that the client can accept TCP connections won't work. Games just happen to be a good example of this. Perhaps you would like to send an FAQ addition to remedy one or both of these problems? Thanks, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 16:41:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin2.email.bigpond.com (juicer14.bigpond.com [139.134.6.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0055637B422; Mon, 14 May 2001 16:41:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.55]) by mailin2.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCNDG00.GRZ; Tue, 15 May 2001 09:46:29 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail4.bigpond.com (Claudes-Superb-MailRouter V2.9c 7/18102474); 15 May 2001 09:41:20 Message-ID: <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: "Sue Blake" , , "Rahul Siddharthan" , "Kathy Quinlan" , "N6REJ" References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:41:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0147_01C0DD23.28B75030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C0DD23.28B75030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll need the source (presumably you're using LinuxDoc) and all the images. Whats "LinuxDoc" ?? ..... I'll have it known that I've never been guilty of using stuff from linux :). I write mostly in either W2K / notepad or Solaris / StarOffice & then change the .txt extension to .html when I'm finished The following documents feature diagrams: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/design-44bsd/index.h tml http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/index .html When I remember to turn it on in the build, so will http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design/index.h tml Praise be !!!!!!!! ..... the official docs might even make it into the 19th century someday if you keep that up :) The mind doth boggle how you got those past the old guard. Some of us just don't have the artistic skills. If you would like to submit a picture or diagram to go with any of the documentation, please do so, preferably using send-pr. No prob ..... theres at least a million areas where a simple screenshot would assist considerably. What graphic formats are compatible though ..... hopefully jpg & gif ?? I've never heard of it before, for one, and locate ppp_conf.sh doesn't turn it up. Details? Ahhhhhhhhh ..... well if yours truly got the name right you might have had a fighting chance !!! Its really "ppp_script.sh" !!! (attached hereto) .... sorry 'bout that. I had a discussion with Ted Mittelstaedt about that script. He suggested some time ago that I submit it as a PR or something, however I was concerned about the question of ownership (now resolved) and it does need some relatively minor changes to update it for changes to user-ppp made by Brian Somers recently. I'll attempt to get around to those this week. Or that it's better served by the asking the XFree86 people? Maybe ..... I would have thought that applications included as a "standard" package / port should receive more than a token coverage in the docs, but I guess its not as it everyone hasn't sufficient more specifically FreeBSD stuff to mess with. Another docs list newbie / dissident & an old guard member suggested looking at official XFree & linux docs (gasp !choke !splutter !) on 'X" .... maybe something relevant can be pirated from there. [ F'rinstance -- personally, I'm using a Matrox Millennium II with XFree86 4.0.3. I've got no idea if this is a good or bad card, or even if I've configured it for the maximum amount of speed. But it does work. ] yeah well I guess at $AU400 per unit it b****y well should work !!!!!! I had in mind more "common or garden" variety things like S3 Virge / Tseng ET4000 & ET 6000 / ATI Rage Pro / etc that regular folk can afford without taking out a mortgage on the house. ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C0DD23.28B75030 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ppp_script.sh" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ppp_script.sh" #!/bin/sh=0A= # -*- sh -*-=0A= =0A= PATH=3D/usr/bin:/bin; export PATH=0A= =0A= # ppp-setup -- a script to automatically setup user ppp.=0A= # Most of the text in this script was derived from the FreeBSD Handbook.=0A= # Many thanks to Brian Somers for his input=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= # Check to see if we are root=0A= ME=3D`whoami`=0A= if [ ! "$ME" =3D "root" ]; then=0A= echo "Sorry, you must be root to run ppp-setup."=0A= exit 1=0A= fi=0A= =0A= cat << EOS=0A= |----------------------------Unleash the = Daemon---------------------------|=0A= | ------------------------------------------------------------- = |=0A= | PPP SETUP 06.23.98 *** The Easy Way to set up User PPP = |=0A= | ------------------------------------------------------------- = |=0A= | = |=0A= | hacked by Mike Jackson = |=0A= | = |=0A= | muck@ida.net = |=0A= | = |=0A= | Tue Jun 23 13:43:23 MDT 1998 = |=0A= | = |=0A= | -------------------------------- = |=0A= | = |=0A= | **** *** **** **** *** *** *** = |=0A= | * * * * * * * * * * = |=0A= | **** *** **** **** **** ** * * = |=0A= | * * * * * * * * * * = |=0A= | * * * **** **** *** *** *** = |=0A= | = |=0A= | = |=0A= | = |=0A= | [ Press Enter to continue ] = |=0A= = |________________________________________________________________________= _|=0A= EOS=0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= cat << EOS=0A= |----------------------------Unleash the = Daemon---------------------------|=0A= | = |=0A= | This script automagically sets up user ppp for your particular = |=0A= | system's setup according to questions that you answer. It will = |=0A= | then write the appropriate files in /etc/ppp/ for you so that = |=0A= | you can easily be on your way to dial up network connectivity. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | = |=0A= | = |=0A= | = |=0A= | The following files will be modified: = | =0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.conf Information about your ISP, modem, etc. = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup Used after a connection is established. = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.secret* Allows you to change ppp on the fly. = |=0A= | /etc/hosts Contains the IP addresses of your machines. = |=0A= | /etc/host.conf Instructions for the resolver. = |=0A= | /etc/resolv.conf Tells the resolver how to behave. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | *Will not be written. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | [ Press Enter to continue ] = |=0A= = |________________________________________________________________________= _|=0A= EOS=0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= cat << EOS=0A= |----------------------------Unleash the = Daemon---------------------------|=0A= | = |=0A= | Before you start, it is assumed you are roughly in this position: = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * You have an account with an ISP ,and your modem already = configured. |=0A= | = |=0A= | * You know your ISP's phone number(s). = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * You know your login name and password. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * You know the IP address of your ISP's gateway. If you don't know = |=0A= | it, don't worry. We can make one up. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * Your ISP's netmask setting. Again, if you don't know it, we can = |=0A= | safely use a netmask of 255.255.255.0. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * The IP address of one or more nameservers. You MUST have this! = |=0A= | = |=0A= | * If your ISP has given you a static IP address, you will need to = |=0A= | have it handy. If not, we can configure PPP to accept any IP = |=0A= | number. = |=0A= | [ Press Enter to continue ] = |=0A= = |________________________________________________________________________= _|=0A= EOS=0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|" =0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your ISP's name. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_NAME=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your ISP's Phone Number. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_PHONE=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your login name. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_UNAME=0A= =0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your password. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_PASSWD=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------PPP = Configuration---------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Has your Internet Service Provider assigned you a gateway? = If |"=0A= echo " | you don't know your gateway, don't worry. We can make one = up |"=0A= echo " | and your ISP's server will tell us when we connect. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Do you have a gateway? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "y/n? $c"; read YES_NO=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= if [ $YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then =0A= echo " |-------------------------------Value = Required----------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your gateway. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_GATEWAY=0A= else=0A= ISP_GATEWAY=3D'10.0.0.2/0'=0A= fi=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------PPP = Configuration---------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Has your Internet Service Provider assigned you a netmask = setting? |"=0A= echo " | If not, don't worry. We can safely use 255.255.255.0 = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Do you have a netmask setting? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "y/n? $c"; read YES_NO=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= if [ $YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then=0A= echo " |-------------------------------Value = Required----------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Enter your netmask setting. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read ISP_NETMASK=0A= else=0A= ISP_NETMASK=3D'255.255.255.0'=0A= fi=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------PPP = Configuration---------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Does your ISP give you a static IP address? If not, don't = |"=0A= echo " | worry. We'll configure PPP to accept any IP number. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Do you have a static IP address? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "y/n? $c"; read STATIC_IP_YES_NO=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= if [ $STATIC_IP_YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then=0A= echo " |--------------------------------Value = Required---------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Please enter your static IP address. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read STATIC_IP=0A= else =0A= STATIC_IP=3D'10.0.0.1/0'=0A= fi=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Please Enter your ISP's nameservers. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "First Nameserver: $c"; read ISP_DNS_ONE=0A= echo ""; echo $n "Second Nameserver: $c"; read ISP_DNS_TWO=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | What port is your modem on? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | [1] cuaa0 (COM 1) [3] cuaa2 = (COM 3) |"=0A= echo " | [2] cuaa1 (COM 2) [4] cuaa3 = (COM 4) |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "? $c"; read PORT_NUM=0A= =0A= if [ $PORT_NUM =3D "1" ];=0A= then =0A= PORT_NUM=3D'cuaa0'=0A= elif [ $PORT_NUM =3D "2" ];=0A= then =0A= PORT_NUM=3D'cuaa1'=0A= elif [ $PORT_NUM =3D "3" ];=0A= then =0A= PORT_NUM=3D'cuaa2'=0A= else =0A= PORT_NUM=3D'cuaa3'=0A= fi=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Some ISP's set their system up so that the authentication = part |"=0A= echo " | of your connection is done using either PAP or CHAP. If = this is |"=0A= echo " | the case, your ISP will not give a login: prompt when you = connect, |"=0A= echo " | but will start talking PPP immediately. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | If you're not sure if your ISP uses PAP/CHAP, select = no |"=0A= echo " | here. You can always go back and edit = /etc/ppp/ppp.conf |"=0A= echo " | with the command, run as root, \"ee = /etc/ppp/ppp.conf\". |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Consult the FreeBSD Handbook = (www.freebsd.org/handbook) |"=0A= echo " | for further details. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Would you like to use PAP/CHAP? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "y/n? $c"; read PAP_CHAP_YES_NO=0A= =0A= if [ $PAP_CHAP_YES_NO !=3D "y" ];=0A= then=0A= clear =0A= =0A= echo " |-----------------------------Value = Required------------------------------|"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Some ISP's will prompt you for a protocol. If this = is the case, |"=0A= echo " | then a \"col: ppp\" will be appended to your login = string in |"=0A= echo " | /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | If you're not sure if your ISP will prompt you = for a ppp |"=0A= echo " | protocol, please select no here. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Consult the FreeBSD Handbook = (www.freebsd.org/handbook) |"=0A= echo " | for further details. = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " | Does your ISP prompt you for a protocol? = |"=0A= echo " | = |"=0A= echo " = |________________________________________________________________________= _|"=0A= =0A= echo ""; echo $n "y/n? $c"; read PPP_PROMPT_YES_NO=0A= fi=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= cat << EOS=0A= |--------------------------The Daemon's = Unleashed-------------------------|=0A= | = |=0A= | Ok, now I'm going to write the following PPP related files: = |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.conf This will contain your modem's port = number, |=0A= | the speed at which we'll talk to your = modem, |=0A= | the dial string, the login string, your = ISP's |=0A= | phone number, your username and password, = |=0A= | and your static IP address if you have = one. |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup This will contain the lines delete ALL, = and |=0A= | add 0 0 HISADDR. This will delete all of = |=0A= | the existing routing tables for the tun = |=0A= | device, and add a default route to your = ISP's |=0A= | gateway. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/ppp/ppp.secret* This will not be written, but it allows = you |=0A= | to change PPP on the fly. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | [ Press ctrl-c to cancel writing of files ] = |=0A= | = |=0A= | [ Press Enter to continue ] = |=0A= = |________________________________________________________________________= _|=0A= EOS=0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= # move the old files if they exist=0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/ppp/ppp.conf ]=0A= then =0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/ppp/ppp.conf /etc/ppp/ppp.conf.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup ]=0A= then =0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/ppp/ppp.secret ] =0A= then =0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/ppp/ppp.secret /etc/ppp/ppp.secret.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/hosts ]=0A= then=0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/hosts /etc/hosts.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/host.conf ]=0A= then=0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/host.conf /etc/host.conf.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= if [ ! -f /etc/resolv.conf ] =0A= then =0A= #doesn't exist, so do nothing=0A= else=0A= mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.old=0A= fi=0A= =0A= =0A= # ppp.conf will now be written =0A= echo "default:" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set log Phase Chat Connect Carrier lcp ipcp ccp command" >> = /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set device /dev/$PORT_NUM" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set speed 115200" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set dial \"ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \\\"\\\" = ATE1Q0 OK-AT-OK \\\\dATDT\\\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT\"" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo "$ISP_NAME:" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set phone \"$ISP_PHONE\" #Separate multiple phone numbers = with a |" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= =0A= =0A= # does the user want to use PAP/CHAP?=0A= if [ $PAP_CHAP_YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then =0A= echo " set login" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= elif [ $PPP_PROMPT_YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then=0A= echo " set login \"TIMEOUT 10 gin:-BREAK-gin: $ISP_UNAME word: = $ISP_PASSWD col: ppp\"" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf =0A= else =0A= echo " set login \"TIMEOUT 10 gin:-BREAK-gin: $ISP_UNAME word: = $ISP_PASSWD\"" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= fi=0A= =0A= echo " set timeout 300 #Change to 0 if no timeout desired" = >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " deny lqr" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= =0A= =0A= # does the user have a static IP address?=0A= if [ $STATIC_IP_YES_NO =3D "y" ]; =0A= then =0A= echo " set ifaddr $STATIC_IP $ISP_GATEWAY $ISP_NETMASK" >> = /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= else=0A= echo " set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0" >> = /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= fi=0A= =0A= # does the user want to use PAP/CHAP?=0A= if [ $PAP_CHAP_YES_NO =3D "y" ];=0A= then =0A= echo " set authname $ISP_UNAME" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= echo " set authname $ISP_PASSWD" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.conf=0A= fi=0A= =0A= # ppp.linkup will now be written=0A= echo "MYADDR:" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup=0A= echo " delete ALL" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup=0A= echo " add 0 0 HISADDR" >> /etc/ppp/ppp.linkup=0A= =0A= clear =0A= =0A= cat << EOS=0A= |--------------------------The Daemon's = Unleashed-------------------------|=0A= | = |=0A= | I'll also write these files: = |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/hosts This will contain the IP addresses and = |=0A= | names of machines on your network. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/host.conf This will instruct the resolver to look = |=0A= | first in the hosts file, and then consult = |=0A= | the DNS if the name was not found. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | /etc/resolv.conf This tells the resolver how to behave. = |=0A= | = |=0A= |---------------[ Press ctrl-c to cancel writing of files = ]---------------|=0A= | = |=0A= | If you have any problems getting PPP set up, you may have to look = |=0A= | at the FreeBSD Handbook at www.freebsd.org/handbook. Or, you may = |=0A= | want to see the FreeBSD FAQ at www.freebsd.org/FAQ. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | Please send any comments to: muck@ida.net. = |=0A= | = |=0A= | [ Press Enter to continue ] = |=0A= = |________________________________________________________________________= _|=0A= EOS=0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= # hosts will now be written=0A= MYSYSTEM=3D`hostname -s`=0A= MYDOMAIN_NAME=3D`hostname`=0A= echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" >>/etc/hosts=0A= echo "10.0.0.1 $MYDOMAIN_NAME $MYSYSTEM" >> /etc/hosts=0A= =0A= # host.conf will now be written=0A= echo "hosts" >> /etc/host.conf=0A= echo "bind" >> /etc/host.conf=0A= =0A= # resolv.conf will now be written=0A= MYDOMAIN=3D`hostname`=0A= echo "nameserver $ISP_DNS_ONE" >> /etc/resolv.conf=0A= echo "nameserver $ISP_DNS_TWO" >> /etc/resolv.conf=0A= echo "domain ${MYDOMAIN#*.}" >> /etc/resolv.conf=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= cat << EOS =0A= The Daemon's Unleashed=0A= =0A= FreeBSD System Manager's Manual=0A= =0A= NAME=0A= ppp - Point to Point Protocol=0A= SYNOPSIS=0A= ppp $ISP_NAME - Will load the information for your ISP.=0A= =0A= ppp ON $MYSYSTEM> dial - Will dial and login to your ISP.=0A= =0A= =0A= If for some reason dialing fails, you can do it manually:=0A= =0A= ppp ON $MYSYSTEM> term - Gets you into terminal mode.=0A= Enter to terminal mode.=0A= Type '~?' for help.=0A= ATDT$ISP_PHONE - Dials your ISP's number.=0A= Connect 38400 - Connection established.=0A= Login:=0A= Password:=0A= PPP ON $MYSYSTEM> Packet mode.=0A= =0A= [ Press Enter to exit ]=0A= =0A= EOS=0A= =0A= =0A= read tmp=0A= =0A= clear=0A= =0A= exit 0=0A= =0A= ------=_NextPart_000_0147_01C0DD23.28B75030-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 16:51: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FDA37B43E; Mon, 14 May 2001 16:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4ENodv04461; Mon, 14 May 2001 16:50:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:50:39 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Doug Young Cc: Nik Clayton , Sue Blake , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010514165039.A1938@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:41:04AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Please, please, please, but a real mailer that quotes properly. Reading your message was truly painful.] On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:41:04AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > Whats "LinuxDoc" ?? ..... I'll have it known that I've never been guilty > of using stuff from linux :). I write mostly in either W2K / notepad or > Solaris / StarOffice & then change the .txt extension to .html when I'm > finished FreeBSD docs are written in a markup language called DocBook (they used to be written in LinuxDoc.) DocBook indicates what the text of the document *is* rather then how it should look. See the FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer for more info: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/fdp-primer/ > No prob ..... theres at least a million areas where a simple > screenshot would assist > considerably. What graphic formats are compatible though ..... > hopefully jpg & gif ?? PNG for screenshots and the like. EPS for vector drawings (hopefully we'll eventualy switch to SVG.) I supposed JPG would be of for real photos. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7AG9OXY6L6fI4GtQRAiKTAJ9SQaDvxMd5rxqHm8bAqwhYZz2GoACfaQZ+ 1/Y1P9aU+s+fZRk7cN3qH6s= =ZwVT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 17: 5:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584BB37B42C; Mon, 14 May 2001 17:05:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.56]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCOHI00.5J8; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:10:30 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail3.bigpond.com (Claudes-Emergent-MailRouter V2.9c 5/2607071); 15 May 2001 10:05:20 Message-ID: <016d01c0dcd2$b43ea0a0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Brooks Davis" Cc: "Nik Clayton" , "Sue Blake" , , "Rahul Siddharthan" , "Kathy Quinlan" , "N6REJ" References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514165039.A1938@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:05:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Please, please, please, but a real mailer that quotes properly. Reading your message was truly painful.] For the benefit of those who never use OE (& especially OE6), this stuff has a mind of its own & generally ignores any attempt to coerce it into doing stuff acceptable to unix folk PNG for screenshots and the like. EPS for vector drawings (hopefully we'll eventualy switch to SVG.) I supposed JPG would be of for real photos. Hmmmmm .... I've never even met those beasts ... everything I've done has been in regular "common or garden variety" html, so gif & jpg are the order of the day. I have an idea Paintshop Pro & maybe Adobe Photoshop can convert to a bunch of other formats though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 17:25: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D4637B50C; Mon, 14 May 2001 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4F0OwU37707; Mon, 14 May 2001 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105150024.f4F0OwU37707@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27284: new FAQ entry Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: new FAQ entry State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Mon May 14 17:24:21 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! I left it in the place where you put it; if there is ever a security chapter (and I think there should be), it can always be moved. Thanks again! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27284 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 17:32: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin8.bigpond.com (juicer39.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9AD837B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 17:31:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.57]) by mailin8.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCPPM00.AS4; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:36:58 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Sleepy-MailRouter V2.9c 3/2210489); 15 May 2001 10:31:50 Message-ID: <01b901c0dcd6$668f6700$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Murray Stokely" , "Jim Mock" Cc: References: <004901c0dc6a$ef1d1ac0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514121157.A436@guinness.osdn.com> <20010514105306.C35997@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:31:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > His original HTML version is linked from the tutorials section of > the web site, and I've got him started on a conversion to DocBook so > we can import it to the tree : This is a HUGE improvement on whats been available to date ... essentially similar in concept to what I did with the Pedantic FreeBSD except that its relevant to the general case whereas I've focussed on a "one stop" resource for info on configuring a gateway / router. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 18:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f258.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5568037B423 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from justzionzion@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:46:32 -0700 Received: from 24.141.206.198 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2001 01:46:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.141.206.198] From: "Zion Ho" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: How do I extract(view) the handbook file in windows? Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:46:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2001 01:46:32.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE0294B0:01C0DCE0] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir, How do I extract(view)the handbook file in windows? I am a newbie in FreeBSD and would like to learn(install) FreeBSD after I study the handbook. Thank you for your help. Regards _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 18:50:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin10.bigpond.com (juicer35.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227EB37B423 for ; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCTCF00.HDF; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:55:27 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Regulatory-MailRouter V2.9c 17/9317566); 15 May 2001 11:50:20 Message-ID: <022601c0dce1$5d764c00$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Zion Ho" , References: Subject: Re: How do I extract(view) the handbook file in windows? Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:50:05 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was of the impression that common or garden variety text & pdf versions were available somewhere at http://www.freebsd.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zion Ho" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: How do I extract(view) the handbook file in windows? > Dear Sir, > > How do I extract(view)the handbook file in windows? > I am a newbie in FreeBSD and would like to learn(install) FreeBSD after I > study the handbook. > > Thank you for your help. > > Regards > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 18:53: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7C637B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4F1qd331614; Mon, 14 May 2001 18:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, sue@welearn.com.au, freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in, katinka@magestower.com, n6rej@tcsn.net Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) In-Reply-To: <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> References: <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010514185239O.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 18:52:39 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 27 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Doug Young" Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:41:04 +1000 > Whats "LinuxDoc" ?? ..... I'll have it known that I've never been > guilty of using stuff from linux :). I write mostly in either W2K / > notepad or Solaris / StarOffice & then change the .txt extension to > .html when I'm finished I find the above sentiment rather inexplicable given your earlier rantings about how all this discussion about Docbook infrastructure and whatnot was a waste of time! People don't write in HTML or text format (to say nothing of Microsoft Word, ye gods) around here and that's a damn good thing since you'd otherwise be unable to easily generate multiple target formats for the handbook, such as HTML and postscript for printing. Linuxdoc, despite having a name which awakens an atavistic anti-linux response on your part, is nothing more than a DTD for SGML, and SGML is something which has been widely adopted so the FreeBSD project could hardly be accused of going their own way on that or something. The fact that you're someone purportedly seeking to enrich the state of FreeBSD's documentation and still don't know LinuxDoc from DocBook is clear evidence of the fact that, if anything, there hasn't been ENOUGH discussion on documentation infrastructure issues. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon May 14 19:49: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin5.bigpond.com (juicer02.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE1B37B423; Mon, 14 May 2001 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.57]) by mailin5.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDCW2M00.F5I; Tue, 15 May 2001 12:54:22 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail2.bigpond.com (Claudes-Metric-MailRouter V2.9c 3/2273055); 15 May 2001 12:49:14 Message-ID: <023d01c0dce9$9862db00$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , , , , , References: <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle>< <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org><014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514185239O.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:48:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The fact that you're someone purportedly seeking to enrich the state > of FreeBSD's documentation and still don't know LinuxDoc from DocBook > is clear evidence of the fact that, if anything, there hasn't been > ENOUGH discussion on documentation infrastructure issues. > The point is that everything I've done to date has been done for a specific purpose using knowledge I already had .... there was never a reason to learn another format when text & html did everything I needed. Actually I don't use Word for anything ..... I prefer StarOffice in both W2K & Solaris systems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 0: 4: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from johnson.mail.mindspring.net (johnson.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3699637B496 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 00:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (pool0356.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.193.101]) by johnson.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28830; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B00D499.C542E155@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:02:49 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sue Blake Cc: Doug Young , Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake wrote: > The problem we have is that the people with the skills to execute > these good ideas, either don't contribute them to our docs (and > we're left with a volunteer staff of hard working Klingons trying > their very best), OR, they go off and do their own thing somewhere > else, which is great to have but fails to enrich the FreeBSD docs > in any way. > > Like so many things round here, we have lots of people ready > to jump up with good ideas, even more people weeing themselves > with excitement at the chance to code the infrastructure, but hardly > a soul to do the actual work. This applies to FreeBSD doc ideas > as much as it does to support ideas. "If you build it they will come" > is a naive view does not work for support/docs, but it has been a > popular pipe dream for the several years that I've been watching. > Better docs/support requires supply of prose, not code. There is an organization whose intent is to provide writers for things like this. They contribute documentation to a number of places, including linuxdoc and the Apache project. Basically, they are a group of writers who volunteer to document Open Source projects; they have a list of some 20 or so projects to which they currently contribute. I have, in the past, frequently suggested that FreeBSD hook up with a Large University with a respected English department with a technical writing program, where the FreeBSD documentation that needs to be written will get handed out as homework assignments, term projects, the common self-directed work, etc.. I think I have the link to their page on my other system; I will look for it (before anyone asks why I didn't include a link). A well-worded search request would probably find the thing, but it's too late for me to be pithy enough to get Altavista to spit it out tonight...). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 2:31:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C926D37B43C; Tue, 15 May 2001 02:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4F9Ek134436; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:14:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:13:26 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Doug Young Cc: Nik Clayton , Sue Blake , freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Rahul Siddharthan , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010515101325.E22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> < <20010514182156.A22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <014a01c0dccf$5926cd30$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:41:04AM +1000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:41:04AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > I'll need the source (presumably you're using LinuxDoc) and all the > images. >=20 > Whats "LinuxDoc" ?? ..... I'll have it known that I've never been > guilty of using stuff from linux :). I write mostly in either W2K / notep= ad > or Solaris / StarOffice & then change the .txt extension to .html when > I'm finished Fine. The look of the document (and the navigation) were reminiscent of some automatic HTML converters, so I'd assumed you'd used those. If you could tar up the whole lot and send it to me, that'd be great. > The following documents feature diagrams: >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/design-44bsd/index.h > tml > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/index > .html >=20 > When I remember to turn it on in the build, so will >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design/index.h > tml >=20 > Praise be !!!!!!!! ..... the official docs might even make it into the > 19th century someday > if you keep that up :) The mind doth boggle how you got those past the > old guard. As far as the doc. project goes, I *am* the old guard. > Some of us just don't have the artistic skills. If you would like to > submit a picture or diagram to go with any of the documentation, > please > do so, preferably using send-pr. >=20 > No prob ..... theres at least a million areas where a simple > screenshot would assist > considerably. What graphic formats are compatible though ..... > hopefully jpg & gif ?? Depends on the nature of the graphic. If it's a screen shot, or similar image, please send in GIFs, PNGs, or high quality JPEGs. Do not do any compression of the JPEGs, since the doc. infrastructure will do that=20 automatically, as necessary. If it's line art, like a network diagram, or similar, then either send EPS, or, if you used a package like xfig to do the diagrams, send in the original .xfig file (or whatever). > Or that it's better served by the asking the XFree86 people? >=20 > Maybe ..... I would have thought that applications included as a > "standard" package / port should receive more than a token coverage > in the docs, but I guess its not as it everyone hasn't sufficient=20 > more specifically FreeBSD stuff to mess with.=20 Documentation doesn't magically appear. People need to write it. No one is paid to write it, so people write what they feel comfortable talking about. I, for one, know very little about the ins and outs of video cards on X. > yeah well I guess at $AU400 per unit it b****y well should work !!!!!! Emigrate. It was about GBP 150 when I bought it, and that was four years ago. > I had in mind more "common or garden" variety things like S3 Virge /=20 > Tseng ET4000 & ET 6000 / ATI Rage Pro / etc that regular folk can=20 > afford without taking out a mortgage on the house. So I went to=20 http://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/XFree86/4.0.2/index.html which is my nearest mirror of the XFree86 site. Links there include * Driver Status for XFree86 4.0.2 * Information for S3 ViRGE users * ATI Adapters README file and more. All of which contains information about the supported or unsupported state of a myriad of graphics cards. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsA8zUACgkQk6gHZCw343VCdgCdF7GKj/uNwI9rkbyLjFfqH4oo uYkAnROSoq8WXN75Ajj9p41xl1JBPZKW =whHF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n+lFg1Zro7sl44OB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 3:16:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9367237B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:16:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f4F9iYR18718 ; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:44:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA95062 ; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:44:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:44:57 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Sue Blake , Doug Young , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <20010515114457.A93329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> <3B00D499.C542E155@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B00D499.C542E155@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:02:49AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on May 15, 2001 at 00:02:49: > > There is an organization whose intent is to provide > writers for things like this. They contribute > documentation to a number of places, including linuxdoc > and the Apache project. > > > I think I have the link to their page on my other system; > I will look for it (before anyone asks why I didn't include Is this is? http://www.oswg.org > a link). A well-worded search request would probably find > the thing, but it's too late for me to be pithy enough to > get Altavista to spit it out tonight...). Try Google instead... Seriously, Google is a huge timesaver: what I want is invariably in the top 3 or 4 matches, it's quite amazing. I tried the exact same search query on Altavista, and it gave me absolutely nothing of relevance on the first page. Which is what usually happens. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 3:31:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C9E37B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4FAEir34791; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:14:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:13:23 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Zion Ho Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How do I extract(view) the handbook file in windows? Message-ID: <20010515111323.F22370@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L2Brqb15TUChFOBK" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from justzionzion@hotmail.com on Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:46:32PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:46:32PM -0400, Zion Ho wrote: > How do I extract(view)the handbook file in windows? Make sure you've download the .zip file, and then use a ZIP extractor, such as WinZip (http://www.winzip.com/) to extract it. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsBAUMACgkQk6gHZCw343WIXwCeNqQ+iOfP4MwRqH8KRf/LdVYU cqQAn1a21spI9DhBeTFk/gNKIQcbVIn4 =GdKn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L2Brqb15TUChFOBK-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 3:46:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2380437B42C for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (pool0083.cvx7-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.164.83]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA07239; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B0108A2.C7CD3470@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 03:44:50 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Sue Blake , Doug Young , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> <3B00D499.C542E155@mindspring.com> <20010515114457.A93329@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert said on May 15, 2001 at 00:02:49: > > There is an organization whose intent is to provide > > writers for things like this. They contribute > > documentation to a number of places, including linuxdoc > > and the Apache project. > > > > > > I think I have the link to their page on my other system; > > I will look for it (before anyone asks why I didn't include > > Is this is? > http://www.oswg.org Yes, that's them. > > a link). A well-worded search request would probably find > > the thing, but it's too late for me to be pithy enough to > > get Altavista to spit it out tonight...). > > Try Google instead... > > Seriously, Google is a huge timesaver: what I want is invariably in > the top 3 or 4 matches, it's quite amazing. I tried the exact same > search query on Altavista, and it gave me absolutely nothing of > relevance on the first page. Which is what usually happens. I think I think like the Altavista lexicographers, when I think about getting information. I can usually word my request with 2-5 search terms, and get exactly what I'm looking for in the first page. I also like the ability to _not_ have an implies "+", and the different behaviour based on case sensitivity. I have to say that I hate their new popups, though. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 3:58:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFC137B424 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 03:58:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f4FAwZR26525 ; Tue, 15 May 2001 12:58:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id MAA98162 ; Tue, 15 May 2001 12:58:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:58:58 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Sue Blake , Doug Young , Kathy Quinlan , N6REJ , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <20010515125858.D93329@lpt.ens.fr> References: <002b01c0db54$e0febaa0$5599ca3f@disappointment> <20010513171444.E26123@welearn.com.au> <00f401c0db7e$ff3ca2a0$fe00a8c0@kat.lan> <20010513122623.I97034@lpt.ens.fr> <20010514084709.A68348@welearn.com.au> <024b01c0dc05$b1314fc0$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010514103623.B68348@welearn.com.au> <3B00D499.C542E155@mindspring.com> <20010515114457.A93329@lpt.ens.fr> <3B0108A2.C7CD3470@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B0108A2.C7CD3470@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:44:50AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on May 15, 2001 at 03:44:50: > I think I think like the Altavista lexicographers, when > I think about getting information. I can usually word > my request with 2-5 search terms, and get exactly what > I'm looking for in the first page. I've never had that luck, not recently, anyway... I find a search engine useful when I can think of a few keywords or an exact phrase concerning whatever it is I'm looking for. Google consistently gives me the most relevant results. > I also like the ability to _not_ have an implies "+", http://www.google.com/advanced_search > the different behaviour based on case sensitivity. Yes, Google doesn't seem to have that... - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 6:17:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.ro.freebsd.org (rofreebsd.physics.uvt.ro [193.226.13.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DAF37B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin@ns.ro.freebsd.org) Received: (from admin@localhost) by ns.ro.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04238 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 May 2001 16:05:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from admin) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:05:09 +0300 (EEST) From: System Administrator Message-Id: <200105151305.QAA04238@ns.ro.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: missing country link to an ftp mirror Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, In: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors-ftp.html the Romanian mirror is now present in to the list but the country name is missing in the contry list at the very begining. Please add Romania between Portugal and Russia and make the link to the corresponding item in that file. regards, Gheorghe Ardelean. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 6:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C1437B506 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4FDo0N07487; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DDF37B423 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4FDeeH73699; Tue, 15 May 2001 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105151340.f4FDeeH73699@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 06:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: B.Candler@pobox.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27333: Broken links to FreeBSD-current source code Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27333 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Broken links to FreeBSD-current source code >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue May 15 06:50:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brian Candler >Release: FreeBSD-4.3 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/current-stable.html It says "Use cvsup with _this supfile_" which is a link to ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile This does not exist. In fact there are other breakages. e.g. it says "The source tree for FreeBSD-CURRENT is always ``exported'' on: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/" and this is not the case. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 7:13:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (mailhub.rrze.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.3.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CA037B424 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 07:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Holger.Stengel@rrze.uni-erlangen.de) Received: from eliza.rrze.uni-erlangen.de by max5.rrze.uni-erlangen.de with ESMTP for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 15 May 2001 16:13:40 +0200 Received: from eliza.rrze.uni-erlangen.de by eliza.rrze.uni-erlangen.de (8.9.3+Sun/cl-RRZE) id QAA13996; Tue, 15 May 2001 16:04:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:04:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Holger Stengel Reply-To: Holger Stengel Subject: translate into german To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: o3m6q/NSn/ka8YZJLAp/eQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.3.5 SunOS 5.7 sun4u sparc Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I would like to contribute to FreeBSD and as I have low programming experience I want to do it with translating some docs. Where can I start? I also dont know whether this is a list I have to / can subscribe to... In fact, I didnt yet. Holger To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 7:49:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA02237B424 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 07:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id QAA20722; Tue, 15 May 2001 16:56:58 +0200 Message-ID: <3B014266.3010305@i-clue.de> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:51:18 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Organization: i-clue GmbH, Waiblingen, Germany User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:0.9) Gecko/20010505 X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Holger Stengel Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: translate into german References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Holger Stengel wrote: > Hello! > > I would like to contribute to FreeBSD and as I have low programming experience I > want to do it with translating some docs. Where can I start? > > I also dont know whether this is a list I have to / can subscribe to... In fact, > I didnt yet. Have a look at http://www.de.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list [for info aboutmailing lists] as well as at http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/ [for info about the german docproject]. HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 10: 5:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezwv.com (hermes.ezwv.com [208.163.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3312E37B422; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt@ezwv.com) Received: from k6-2.weeble.com (ip206102032085.dlup.ezwv.com [206.102.32.85]) by mail.ezwv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09604; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:05:09 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Randy Pratt To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:05:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have been linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite some time. I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of the html tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ and in tarball from: http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar I've very grateful to Murray for getting the ball rolling for conversion to sgml. It'll make it easier for others to contribute improvements and help keep things up to date. Learning the doc project ropes is the next task on my list. I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people don't know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, perhaps we should consider some additional links to them. Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 10:27:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BE937B424; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4FHRuU04411; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4FHRos64816; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Randy Pratt Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) In-Reply-To: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Comments: In-reply-to Randy Pratt message dated "Tue, 15 May 2001 13:05:17 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_541539271P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:27:50 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_541539271P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Randy Pratt wrote: > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html Wow. I'd heard of this before but I didn't really look at it until now. I must say I'm very impressed. A few comments....mostly food-for-thought in nature.... > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have been > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite some time. > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of the html > tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: You mean the screenshots right? > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > and in tarball from: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar Any reason in particular for wanting to go to PNG rather than just using ? Also have you tried making PDF or PS output to see how this looks? Just curious. > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people don't > know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, perhaps we > should consider some additional links to them. Do you (and/or Murray) envision the Install Preview to be a part of the DocProj documentation set? I'm wondering if it might be something to package up along with RELNOTESng, although this only exists in -CURRENT right now. There's some important distinctions to make with respect to CVS branches. In any case, I can think of at least a couple of places in the RELNOTESng documents where we ought to put a pointer to the Install Preview. It sounds like it might be getting a new URL soon? Nice job! Bruce. --==_Exmh_541539271P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7AWcV2MoxcVugUsMRAk9yAJoDEzTVnGfbRW2CJwpbkYEW277//gCeLYpt KgY2+0evsdIQ44e1wy3OoLc= =WeHT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_541539271P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 10:34:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.gateway.net (relay9.gateway.net [208.230.117.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376FD37B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swilson258@home.com) Received: from home.com (cx185347-a.phnx3.az.home.com [65.11.71.84]) by smtp4.gateway.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17445 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3B0169EA.CE4E4F1F@home.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:39:54 -0700 From: Scott Wilson X-Sender: "Scott Wilson" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: kern.flp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org kern and mfsroot is too big for 1.44 floopies Help?! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 11:39:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43A237B424 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A7CE34E0294; Tue, 15 May 2001 11:39:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3B0177CE.AD893CC@urx.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:39:10 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Wilson Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: kern.flp References: <3B0169EA.CE4E4F1F@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott Wilson wrote: > > kern and mfsroot is too big for 1.44 floopies Help?! You are supposed to use a tool like fdimage to raw copy them onto the floppy. Kent > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 12:13:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezwv.com (hermes.ezwv.com [208.163.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1621737B424; Tue, 15 May 2001 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt@ezwv.com) Received: from k6-2.weeble.com (ip206102034184.dlup.ezwv.com [206.102.34.184]) by mail.ezwv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10660; Tue, 15 May 2001 15:13:49 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Randy Pratt To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:13:58 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 15 May 2001 13:27, you wrote: > If memory serves me right, Randy Pratt wrote: > > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html > > Wow. I'd heard of this before but I didn't really look at it until now. > I must say I'm very impressed. > > A few comments....mostly food-for-thought in nature.... > > > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have been > > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite some > > time. > > > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of the > > html tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: > > You mean the screenshots right? The versions prior to 4.3 used html tables as "screenshots" with a lot of formatting to produce views that were very close to that seen during installation. I used XV to capture the html table views and convert them to 8 bit png images. These were used instead of the html tables to ease the conversion to sgml. If you take a look at the source of the 4.2 previews, the tables would be difficult (if not impossible) to convert to sgml and a problem to maintain. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > > > and in tarball from: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar > > Any reason in particular for wanting to go to PNG rather than just using > ? Also have you tried making PDF or PS output to see > how this looks? Just curious. I'm not familar with sgmy (yet) so I'm probably not the best to answer that. The PNG formats produced views similar to those that would be seen by a new user. It was my intention to get as close as possible to what they would see. If the would do that, then its a possibility. I hope other formats can be produced since I've had a few requests for them in the past. > > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people > > don't know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, > > perhaps we should consider some additional links to them. > > Do you (and/or Murray) envision the Install Preview to be a part of the > DocProj documentation set? I'm wondering if it might be something to > package up along with RELNOTESng, although this only exists in -CURRENT > right now. There's some important distinctions to make with respect to > CVS branches. Where the documents reside is probably best decided by those more familar with the doc project and what best suits the needs of new people. We should get all the mileage possible out of them. > In any case, I can think of at least a couple of places in the > RELNOTESng documents where we ought to put a pointer to the Install > Preview. It sounds like it might be getting a new URL soon? > > Nice job! > > Bruce. Thanks! I'm hoping that others will find things that could be improved or added. Often, its easier to improve on existing documents that to start with a blank sheet. Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 12:19: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from newgold.net (usr.srcsys.org [209.42.222.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDF1D37B42C for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 12:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmallett@newgold.net) Received: (qmail 10204 invoked by uid 1000); 15 May 2001 19:16:14 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Joseph A. Mallett" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Installation notes about legacy free systems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've brought this up before, but feel I should again, since if something might be useful, I feel it should be there, and I know from experience this would be useful. It should probably be mentioned somewhere in install notes or FAQ, that all USB systems can be installed on. Currently it says an AT keyboard must be used during install, but this isn't true. If you remove the keyboard driver using the configuration menu, it will work just fine (since it goes through the BIOS then, correct?). HTH -- [ Joseph Mallett ] [ http://srcsys.org ] [ xMach Core Team xMach: Proactively Unbloated Microkernel BSD ] [ Proud {Free,Net}BSD User; (Obj)C(++) Programmer ] [ http://xMach.org ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 13:19: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F81537B422; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4FKJ5910218; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4FKJ0F08351; Tue, 15 May 2001 13:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200105152019.f4FKJ0F08351@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Randy Pratt Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) In-Reply-To: <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Comments: In-reply-to Randy Pratt message dated "Tue, 15 May 2001 15:13:58 -0400." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_751432316P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:19:00 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_751432316P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Randy Pratt wrote: > I used XV to capture the html table views and convert them to 8 bit png > images. These were used instead of the html tables to ease the conversion to > sgml. If you take a look at the source of the 4.2 previews, the tables would > be difficult (if not impossible) to convert to sgml and a problem to maintain That was going to be my next question. Looking at the 4.2 previews...the thing that was hard for you to do there is what is designed for. Well, mostly. > I'm not familar with sgmy (yet) so I'm probably not the best to answer that. > The PNG formats produced views similar to those that would be seen by a new > user. It was my intention to get as close as possible to what they would > see. If the would do that, then its a possibility. Except I just realized that it won't handle the colors, which IMHO are actually sort of important. So maybe that isn't such a great idea. (BTW I just treated SGML as a funny-looking HTML. ELNOTESng was my first project with SGML and DocBook, so let me know if you need another SGML newbie's perspective.) > I hope other formats can be produced since I've had a few requests for them > in the past. Assuming you are (or will be) using the DocProj infrastructure, then when you go to build the rendering from the SGML source, just do: % make FORMATS=pdf Some other valid and interesting values are "ps" and "txt". Note that FORMATS= is a list, so you can actually do something like: % make 'FORMATS=html pdf txt' > Where the documents reside is probably best decided by those more familar > with the doc project and what best suits the needs of new people. We should > get all the mileage possible out of them. Agree 100% with your last sentence. But I'm betting you also have some thoughts about how we do this. :-) Bruce. --==_Exmh_751432316P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7AY802MoxcVugUsMRAucoAJsF64JrnRBaVeCdGBwelAW7VjWbFwCdHdMB 0fchKurgxwF//6otYDF/HLA= =oMLl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_751432316P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 15:11:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin8.bigpond.com (juicer39.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5AF37B423; Tue, 15 May 2001 15:11:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin8.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDEDVW00.F9A; Wed, 16 May 2001 08:16:44 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail5.bigpond.com (Claudes-Sneaky-MailRouter V2.9c 9/11152783); 16 May 2001 08:11:49 Message-ID: <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Randy Pratt" , "Nik Clayton" Cc: , "Murray Stokely" , "Jim Mock" References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:11:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Magic !!!! ..... guaranteed way to reduce the number of "stupid newbie questions" to a fraction of what it is. A couple questions .... I presume the screenshots were captured within X Windows using something like Gimp ..... if thats the case then how are the really early stage screenshots eg "Kernel Configuration Menu" done ?? I'm aware of the "script" thingy, but there doesn't appear to be any way to use that before first reboot. I've traditionally used actual photos for documentation & this is OK for hard copy & LAN use but the size of photos make webpages a bit slow. g "Kernel Config Menu" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Pratt" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: ; "Doug Young" ; "Murray Stokely" ; "Jim Mock" Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:05 AM Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html > > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have been > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite some time. > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of the html > tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > and in tarball from: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar > > I've very grateful to Murray for getting the ball rolling for conversion to > sgml. It'll make it easier for others to contribute improvements and help > keep things up to date. Learning the doc project ropes is the next task on my > list. > > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people don't > know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, perhaps we > should consider some additional links to them. > > Randy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 16:31:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0252437B422; Tue, 15 May 2001 16:31:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4FNVEU83568; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:31:14 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:31:13 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Randy Pratt Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Randy Pratt , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com>; from rpratt@ezwv.com on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote: > > The versions prior to 4.3 used html tables as "screenshots" with a lot of > formatting to produce views that were very close to that seen during > installation. > > I used XV to capture the html table views and convert them to 8 bit png > images. These were used instead of the html tables to ease the conversion to > sgml. If you take a look at the source of the 4.2 previews, the tables would > be difficult (if not impossible) to convert to sgml and a problem to maintain. One of the things I've always loved about this doc is that people using text browsers like lynx get the "picture" too. Most people who use lynx do so because they have no alternative (low memory machine or broken X config or security restriction on the spare machine, or blind user) and it is often so easy to include support for them if only a little forethought is given to the task. In that respect you've done very well, Randy. It would be a shame if those people lost their text "pictures" due to the demands of progress, but I guess that's gotta happen one day. If it does, please hang on to the old documents because they will still be more valuable than "[IMAGE]" even if they refer to a different version of FreeBSD. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 17:31:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezwv.com (hermes.ezwv.com [208.163.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2343437B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 17:31:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt@ezwv.com) Received: from k6-2.weeble.com (ip206102034050.dlup.ezwv.com [206.102.34.50]) by mail.ezwv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08740; Tue, 15 May 2001 20:31:37 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Randy Pratt To: "Doug Young" Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:31:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> In-Reply-To: <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> Cc: freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01051520314606.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 15 May 2001 18:11, you wrote: > Magic !!!! ..... guaranteed way to reduce the number of "stupid > newbie questions" to a fraction of what it is. That was the original > A couple questions .... I presume the screenshots were captured within > X Windows using something like Gimp ..... if thats the case then how > are the really early stage screenshots eg "Kernel Configuration Menu" > done ?? That's a common question I get. The "screenshots" aren't actually produced in the conventional sense. I used two computers when creating the documents: one for the actual installation and another to document the process. So no, they're not produced in X. Each screen is hand-crafted using Netscape's wysiwyg composer to produce html tables that very closely resemble the installation screens. And yes, it does take a lot of time. Once I had the basic format, its was relatively easy to make modifications. > I'm aware of the "script" thingy, but there doesn't appear to be any > way to use that before first reboot. I've traditionally used actual > photos for documentation & this is OK for hard copy & LAN use but the > size of photos make webpages a bit slow. g "Kernel Config Menu" Exactly. That was one of the reasons for using the html table approach. They are text-based and load very fast. That's important to people who have to pay per-minute charges for net access. I'm switching to the use of images to ease the conversion to sgml. I've tried to take the digital camera images and reduce their size but the quality degrades. I loaded the html table documents in my browser and used XV to capture the frame and crop. To further reduce the image file size, I change the format to 8 bit mode and save as a png image. Most of the images in the new format are 3k to 8k in size (a few larger, a few smaller). Granted, its a bit of work but its been something I could contribute back to the project. Any input you could offer would certainly be appreciated; however, I'm going to "freeze" the document until the sgml is finished. Its too hard to hit moving targets. Randy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Pratt" > To: "Nik Clayton" > Cc: ; "Doug Young" > ; "Murray Stokely" ; > "Jim Mock" > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs > rant" :) > > > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html > > > > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have > > been > > > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite > > some time. > > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of > > the html > > > tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > > > and in tarball from: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar > > > > I've very grateful to Murray for getting the ball rolling for > > conversion to > > > sgml. It'll make it easier for others to contribute improvements and > > help > > > keep things up to date. Learning the doc project ropes is the next > > task on my > > > list. > > > > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people > > don't > > > know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, > > perhaps we > > > should consider some additional links to them. > > > > Randy > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 17:32:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C1137B424; Tue, 15 May 2001 17:32:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f4G0WFl60117; Tue, 15 May 2001 17:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:32:15 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Doug Young Cc: Randy Pratt , Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Jim Mock Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Message-ID: <20010515173215.I57568@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 08:11:21AM +1000 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 08:11:21AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > A couple questions .... I presume the screenshots were captured within > X Windows using something like Gimp ..... if thats the case then how > are the really early stage screenshots eg "Kernel Configuration Menu" > done ?? Installing through a serial console in an xterm would be one option. Another would be to just take screenshots of the meticulously created HTML that Randy crafted to look just like screenshots. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 18:27:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezwv.com (hermes.ezwv.com [208.163.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3721737B423; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rpratt@ezwv.com) Received: from k6-2.weeble.com (ip206102034084.dlup.ezwv.com [206.102.34.84]) by mail.ezwv.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18243; Tue, 15 May 2001 21:27:34 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Randy Pratt To: Sue Blake Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:27:43 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Jim Mock MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01051521274307.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 15 May 2001 19:31, you wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote: > > The versions prior to 4.3 used html tables as "screenshots" with a lot of > > formatting to produce views that were very close to that seen during > > installation. > > > > I used XV to capture the html table views and convert them to 8 bit png > > images. These were used instead of the html tables to ease the conversion > > to sgml. If you take a look at the source of the 4.2 previews, the tables > > would be difficult (if not impossible) to convert to sgml and a problem > > to maintain. > > One of the things I've always loved about this doc is that people using > text browsers like lynx get the "picture" too. Most people who use lynx > do so because they have no alternative (low memory machine or broken X > config or security restriction on the spare machine, or blind user) and > it is often so easy to include support for them if only a little > forethought is given to the task. > > In that respect you've done very well, Randy. It would be a shame if > those people lost their text "pictures" due to the demands of progress, > but I guess that's gotta happen one day. If it does, please hang on to > the old documents because they will still be more valuable than "[IMAGE]" > even if they refer to a different version of FreeBSD. There are benefits in getting these documents more mainstream. They are subject to more review for correctness and easier for people to contribute improvements through normal channels. Never fear, the old versions won't disappear, at least not any way soon. The way I'm producing the images is to capture the html renderings. They'll have to be kept alive as the "image" source. I don't have a digital camera so its the only avenue open to me. Granted, this is extra work on my part but its a task I've enjoyed since I booted my first FreeBSD system (Friday, February 27, 1998, at 2:04 PM MST)! By the way, thanks for the encouragement you gave me as a newbie and continue to give others on -newbies. Best regards, Randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 18:30: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E81237B423; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4G1Tt924309; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4G1TtF13540; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Sue Blake Cc: Randy Pratt , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) In-Reply-To: <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> Comments: In-reply-to Sue Blake message dated "Wed, 16 May 2001 09:31:13 +1000." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_994176796P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:29:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_994176796P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Sue Blake wrote: > One of the things I've always loved about this doc is that people using > text browsers like lynx get the "picture" too. Most people who use lynx > do so because they have no alternative (low memory machine or broken X > config or security restriction on the spare machine, or blind user) and > it is often so easy to include support for them if only a little > forethought is given to the task. Hmmm. I haven't played with this much, but if Randy uses the FreeBSD DocProj infrastructure (based on DocBook based on SGML) there's some facilities for doing graphics with alternate textual representations. I think that the few documents that use images (design-44bsd is done of them) will take advantage of this. I know they can generate ASCII-only *.txt files correctly but I am not sure how this comes across in HTML. > In that respect you've done very well, Randy. It would be a shame if > those people lost their text "pictures" due to the demands of progress, > but I guess that's gotta happen one day. I sure hope it doesn't. Keeping Web pages accessible to non-traditional browsers is a Good Thing (TM). Bruce. --==_Exmh_994176796P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7AdgS2MoxcVugUsMRAmQsAJ49yKNzsUAtPdLaiHQZ6QMlbGBkvgCgqE62 AyXgLZF8plapLc9lTxrHQdc= =IY+C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_994176796P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 18:54:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from salesforce.com (nat-63-150-46-70.salesforce.com [63.150.46.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D89137B424; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:54:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggong@cal.alumni.berkeley.edu) Received: from ggongws (ggong-ws.internal.salesforce.com [10.0.15.25]) by salesforce.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f4G1s6J46024; Tue, 15 May 2001 18:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ggong@cal.alumni.berkeley.edu) Message-ID: <010901c0ddab$17c95330$190f000a@ggongws> From: "Gilbert Gong" To: "Randy Pratt" , "Nik Clayton" Cc: References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:54:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps a link to this can be put into the handbook, ie: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.html or thereabouts, saying something like: "For more detailed instructions oriented towards users new to unix and/or FreeBSD, see " ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Pratt" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: ; "Doug Young" ; "Murray Stokely" ; "Jim Mock" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html > > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have been > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite some time. > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of the html > tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > and in tarball from: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar > > I've very grateful to Murray for getting the ball rolling for conversion to > sgml. It'll make it easier for others to contribute improvements and help > keep things up to date. Learning the doc project ropes is the next task on my > list. > > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people don't > know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, perhaps we > should consider some additional links to them. > > Randy > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 20:17:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin10.bigpond.com (juicer35.bigpond.com [139.134.6.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B4037B422 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin10.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDES2200.G0P; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:22:50 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Multi-Faceted-MailRouter V2.9c 17/9873269); 16 May 2001 13:17:56 Message-ID: <05a401c0ddb6$bc53aa80$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Randy Pratt" Cc: References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> <01051520314606.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:17:26 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the response Randy. I figured there might be a spot of "cheating" going on someplace :) At least that means I can do similar stuff with Netscape / Solaris rather than stuff around with the relatively poxy XFree thing. I have done a the occasional screen capture using an SSH / telnet / or VNC window in Windows .... it works OK with SSH & telnet for the but the result from VNC is nothing to write home about. A fair amount of your procedure is unfamiliar to me but I'll try to figure it out from your explanation. It would be nice to apply your "picture tells a thousand words" approach to all the docs (& particularly the man pages) .... be interesting to see how the "old guard" react to this stuff though. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Pratt" To: "Doug Young" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 10:31 AM Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) > On Tuesday 15 May 2001 18:11, you wrote: > > Magic !!!! ..... guaranteed way to reduce the number of "stupid > > newbie questions" to a fraction of what it is. > > That was the original > > > A couple questions .... I presume the screenshots were captured within > > X Windows using something like Gimp ..... if thats the case then how > > are the really early stage screenshots eg "Kernel Configuration Menu" > > done ?? > > That's a common question I get. The "screenshots" aren't actually produced in > the conventional sense. I used two computers when creating the documents: one > for the actual installation and another to document the process. So no, > they're not produced in X. > > Each screen is hand-crafted using Netscape's wysiwyg composer to produce html > tables that very closely resemble the installation screens. And yes, it does > take a lot of time. Once I had the basic format, its was relatively easy to > make modifications. > > > I'm aware of the "script" thingy, but there doesn't appear to be any > > way to use that before first reboot. I've traditionally used actual > > photos for documentation & this is OK for hard copy & LAN use but the > > size of photos make webpages a bit slow. g "Kernel Config Menu" > > Exactly. That was one of the reasons for using the html table approach. They > are text-based and load very fast. That's important to people who have to pay > per-minute charges for net access. > > I'm switching to the use of images to ease the conversion to sgml. I've tried > to take the digital camera images and reduce their size but the quality > degrades. I loaded the html table documents in my browser and used XV to > capture the frame and crop. To further reduce the image file size, I change > the format to 8 bit mode and save as a png image. Most of the images in the > new format are 3k to 8k in size (a few larger, a few smaller). > > Granted, its a bit of work but its been something I could contribute back to > the project. Any input you could offer would certainly be appreciated; > however, I'm going to "freeze" the document until the sgml is finished. Its > too hard to hit moving targets. > > Randy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Randy Pratt" > > To: "Nik Clayton" > > Cc: ; "Doug Young" > > ; "Murray Stokely" ; > > "Jim Mock" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 3:05 AM > > Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs > > rant" :) > > > > > There is now a 4.3 version of my "Install Preview" now posted at: > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html > > > > > > There is a series of these dating back to the 2.x release and have > > > > been > > > > > linked from the http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ page for quite > > > > some time. > > > > > I've also created a version for the 4.3 that uses png captures of > > > > the html > > > > > tables for purposes of conversion to sgml. These are available at: > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/ > > > > > > and in tarball from: > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/newprev/4.3install.tar > > > > > > I've very grateful to Murray for getting the ball rolling for > > > > conversion to > > > > > sgml. It'll make it easier for others to contribute improvements and > > > > help > > > > > keep things up to date. Learning the doc project ropes is the next > > > > task on my > > > > > list. > > > > > > I gather from some of the threads I've read on the lists that people > > > > don't > > > > > know these exist. Once the documents are reviewed and committed, > > > > perhaps we > > > > > should consider some additional links to them. > > > > > > Randy > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 20:21:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin8.bigpond.com (juicer39.bigpond.com [139.134.6.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299A37B422; Tue, 15 May 2001 20:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin8.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDES8Q00.JWG; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:26:50 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Darwinian-MailRouter V2.9c 17/9875116); 16 May 2001 13:21:56 Message-ID: <05ac01c0ddb7$4b864be0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Murray Stokely" Cc: "Randy Pratt" , "Nik Clayton" , , "Jim Mock" References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <04ac01c0dd8b$f9cb8070$0300a8c0@oracle> <20010515173215.I57568@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:21:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 08:11:21AM +1000, Doug Young wrote: > > A couple questions .... I presume the screenshots were captured within > > X Windows using something like Gimp ..... if thats the case then how > > are the really early stage screenshots eg "Kernel Configuration Menu" > > done ?? > > Installing through a serial console in an xterm would be one > option. Another would be to just take screenshots of the meticulously > created HTML that Randy crafted to look just like screenshots. > Hmmmmm .... never thought of the serial console approach but sounds marginally feasible for me. I don't have any problem grabbing screenshots of Randys stuff but that just lands me back where I started (huge jpgs). Maybe I can just pirate his html format though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 20:23:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailin3.email.bigpond.com (juicer24.bigpond.com [139.134.6.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948B437B422; Tue, 15 May 2001 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from oracle ([139.134.4.50]) by mailin3.email.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GDESBT00.30P; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:28:41 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-142-177.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.142.177]) by mail8.bigpond.com (Claudes-Multi-Threaded-MailRouter V2.9c 17/9875956); 16 May 2001 13:23:48 Message-ID: <05b601c0ddb7$8dd257a0$0300a8c0@oracle> From: "Doug Young" To: "Gilbert Gong" , "Randy Pratt" , "Nik Clayton" Cc: References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <010901c0ddab$17c95330$190f000a@ggongws> Subject: Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:23:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Perhaps a link to this can be put into the handbook, ie: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install.htm l > or thereabouts, saying something like: > "For more detailed instructions oriented towards users new to unix and/or > FreeBSD, see " You mean it hasn't been put there already ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue May 15 21:58:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.1.255.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF10337B423 for ; Tue, 15 May 2001 21:58:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4G4wo800894; Tue, 15 May 2001 21:58:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15106.2314.112556.239349@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:58:50 -0700 (MST) To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/27099: [PATCH] project/newbies.html references wrong release In-Reply-To: <200105052010.f45KA1Q04665@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200105052005.f45K51i29042@whale.home-net> <200105052010.f45KA1Q04665@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.7.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Browsing the docs tonight, it appears that somebody fixed the problem that was reported in projects/newbies.html on the website (link pointing to 3.4R rather than 4.3R) asynchronous to my problem report. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27099 Can somebody please access it and close out the report. Things have been fixed and this sucker should be closed so we don't have "zombie" PRs in the system (gee, that never happens ... :). Thanks, -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.reynoldsnet.org/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 2:37:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F7537B423; Wed, 16 May 2001 02:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4G9bLe56446; Wed, 16 May 2001 02:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 02:37:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105160937.f4G9bLe56446@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jjreynold@home.com, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27099: newbies project file references incorrect stable release Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: newbies project file references incorrect stable release State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed May 16 02:37:05 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27099 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 3: 2: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB29337B422; Wed, 16 May 2001 03:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4G9ZHZ41241; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:35:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:35:16 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Randy Pratt Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Automatic text screenshots Message-ID: <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com>; from rpratt@ezwv.com on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Randy (and anyone else that wants to complete this) This is probably as good a time as any to bring this up; On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:13:58PM -0400, Randy Pratt wrote: > The versions prior to 4.3 used html tables as "screenshots" with a lot of= =20 > formatting to produce views that were very close to that seen during=20 > installation. >=20 > I used XV to capture the html table views and convert them to 8 bit png= =20 > images. These were used instead of the html tables to ease the conversion= to=20 > sgml. If you take a look at the source of the 4.2 previews, the tables wo= uld=20 > be difficult (if not impossible) to convert to sgml and a problem to main= tain. PC text mode video memory is typically arranged as a block of memory where 2 bytes is allocated for every character that is being displayed. The first byte is the characters display code (65 =3D=3D 'A', and so forth), and the second byte is the character's colour attributes -- the first nybble is the foreground colour (16 choices) and the second nybble is the background colour. It would be possible to add a new ioctl to syscons that dumped this text video memory out to a userland program. I've got some old software I got 90% of the way to completing which might make your work much easier. Specifically, 1. Some patches to syscons which add this ioctl -- these patches are against 2.2.x, but syscons hasn't changed drastically in the past few years. 2. A userland program, "scrshot", which you run like so; scrshot tty-device > filename For example, if you're running sysinstall on the first virtual console (/dev/ttyv0), and log in on the second virtual console (ALT-F2) and run scrshot /dev/ttyv0 > snapshot.scr then the text video memory will be dumped in to snapshot.scr. 3. A userland program, "shot2gif", which converts these screenshot files to GIF files. Adaptation to write PNG files should be relatively trivial. Usage is shot2gif < snapshot.scr > snapshot.gif Currently unwritten (although it would be trivial to do so) would be a shot2txt program, which would write out just the text from the snapshot, ignoring the colours. This approach offers a couple of benefits over your current approach of taking snapshots in X. 1. shot2gif can parse syscons font files -- the fonts that appear in the GIF file are identical to the ones that will appear on the user's screen. 2. If someone goes and writes shot2txt then we can include plain text snapshots very, very easily. This is essential when producing the plain text version of the documentation. Something like this: [ Something interesting is being displayed on ttyv0 ] # scrshot /dev/ttyv0 > shot.scr # shot2png < shot.scr > shot.png # shot2txt < shot.scr > shot.txt And in the DocBook source write: ... &shot.txt; 3. Someone who knows Postscript better than I could put together shot2ps -- since the font and colour information is taken direct from the source, the fidelity of any produced Postscript can be better than that acheived by converting GIFs or PNGs to EPS. 4. You don't need to be in X to do it. If you, or anyone else wants to take snapshots of a text-only program, and you don't run X (don't need to, don't have the resources to, or whatever) then the snapshot stuff will do the trick, and it's much more light weight. The source code for all this can be found in http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/syscons.tar.gz N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsCScwACgkQk6gHZCw343WIIwCeLT/IHCk9uKJStT8yhImJrPx2 U9QAnRHfAR+ViPCyR2QZQrbJW/T0hwS3 =l2mi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 3: 2:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75CF37B42C; Wed, 16 May 2001 03:02:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4G9em741261; Wed, 16 May 2001 10:40:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:40:48 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Sue Blake , Randy Pratt , Nik Clayton , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m972NQjnE83KvVa/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:29:54PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --m972NQjnE83KvVa/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:29:54PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Sue Blake wrote: > > One of the things I've always loved about this doc is that people using > > text browsers like lynx get the "picture" too. Most people who use lynx > > do so because they have no alternative (low memory machine or broken X > > config or security restriction on the spare machine, or blind user) and > > it is often so easy to include support for them if only a little > > forethought is given to the task. >=20 > Hmmm. I haven't played with this much, but if Randy uses the FreeBSD > DocProj infrastructure (based on DocBook based on SGML) there's some > facilities for doing graphics with alternate textual representations. I > think that the few documents that use images (design-44bsd is done of > them) will take advantage of this. I know they can generate ASCII-only= =20 > *.txt files correctly but I am not sure how this comes across in HTML. Typically, you wouldn't look at the HTML -- if you don't want the pictures, download the text version from the FTP site. It wouldn't be a great deal of effort to add the text only versions to the website as well. > > In that respect you've done very well, Randy. It would be a shame if > > those people lost their text "pictures" due to the demands of progress, > > but I guess that's gotta happen one day. >=20 > I sure hope it doesn't. Keeping Web pages accessible to non-traditional > browsers is a Good Thing (TM). You can take it as read that I know this, and am in full agreement. That's one of the reasons why image support took so long to come in -- it wasn't going to happen until the infrastructure supported text-only equivalents as well. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --m972NQjnE83KvVa/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsCSx8ACgkQk6gHZCw343U7AwCeKutnohs6y8WxXXjAmdyJdz1+ 6SsAn2vOktgUcnC7avkZmMCdfJyy9hra =Ec9X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m972NQjnE83KvVa/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 6:48:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.supercable.es (smtp.supercable.es [212.79.128.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E15C37B422 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 06:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aqui110@latinmail.com) Received: from ibm555315w (cliente-213227002187.cm128.grnpb.supercable.es [213.227.2.187]) by smtp.supercable.es (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) with ESMTP id f4GDlcf13058; 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S�lo tienes que visitar mi p�gina en la que te ofrezco un trabajo desde tu casa usando el ordenador, y con el que sacar�s un gran sueldo, quiz�s m�s de lo que sacas con tu trabajo actual. Visita mi p�gina, leela y decidete por ti mismo si te convence. Gracias por tu tiempo. Mi p�gina es: http://www.teletrabajofacil.com/ver.cgi/LR52070 Atentamente. aqui110@latinmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 7:39:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C760C37B422; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GEd2a86648; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:39:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:39:02 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:40:48AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:40:48AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:29:54PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > If memory serves me right, Sue Blake wrote: > > > One of the things I've always loved about this doc is that people using > > > text browsers like lynx get the "picture" too. Most people who use lynx > > > do so because they have no alternative (low memory machine or broken X > > > config or security restriction on the spare machine, or blind user) and > > > it is often so easy to include support for them if only a little > > > forethought is given to the task. > > > > Hmmm. I haven't played with this much, but if Randy uses the FreeBSD > > DocProj infrastructure (based on DocBook based on SGML) there's some > > facilities for doing graphics with alternate textual representations. I > > think that the few documents that use images (design-44bsd is done of > > them) will take advantage of this. I know they can generate ASCII-only > > *.txt files correctly but I am not sure how this comes across in HTML. > > Typically, you wouldn't look at the HTML -- if you don't want the > pictures, download the text version from the FTP site. Well, not exactly. The hyperlinks make HTML superior to plain text, and when you're hearing each word aloud at audible speed, or downloading over a slow modem, hypertext is more important than ever. They need small chunks and all the navigation aids they can get. > It wouldn't be a great deal of effort to add the text only versions to > the website as well. Is there some reason why our finished HTML itself can't be made useful to all, as HTML was intended? > > > In that respect you've done very well, Randy. It would be a shame if > > > those people lost their text "pictures" due to the demands of progress, > > > but I guess that's gotta happen one day. > > > > I sure hope it doesn't. Keeping Web pages accessible to non-traditional > > browsers is a Good Thing (TM). > > You can take it as read that I know this, and am in full agreement. > > That's one of the reasons why image support took so long to come in -- > it wasn't going to happen until the infrastructure supported text-only > equivalents as well. If I'm reading you correctly and this means downloading a *.txt file to read from top to bottom instead of using a hypertext document set, well yes, it is better than having no access. If that's the case maybe we could consider the feasibility of adding links to the ASCII illustrations within the normal HTML version, beside each picture, something like the HTML4 "D" links (IIRC?) that are most often used to describe audio/video in a separate small text file. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 7:50: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC29E37B422; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4GEnk322145; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:49:46 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:49:46 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Sue Blake Cc: Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au>; from sue@welearn.com.au on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:39:02AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:39:02AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > Is there some reason why our finished HTML itself can't be made useful > to all, as HTML was intended? Because the designers of HTML compleatly screwed up the IMG tag. :-( There are some things that work fine as ASCII art, but you can't do HTML which uses ASCII art when images are off because you can't control the formatting of text in the ALT argument of the IMG tag. DocBook handles this correctly in that you can have multiple options for any given media object including video, pictures, text, and ASCII art. Unfortunatly, there are some things that are just going to be too painful for most people to describe comprehensivly in the alt text so that's not really a fully functional option either (take the TCP state diagram as an example.) -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7ApOIXY6L6fI4GtQRAgGeAKDbzak5dw+BONDatDyeytgKB0PyvQCg5/gz 5DiXWSFYHZEQOPkL6q2aINE= =nxRQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PNTmBPCT7hxwcZjr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 7:52:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C157437B422; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GEq3r86725; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:52:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:52:03 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Nik Clayton Cc: Randy Pratt , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots Message-ID: <20010517005203.H26123@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Nik Clayton , Randy Pratt , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:35:16AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:35:16AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > It would be possible to add a new ioctl to syscons that dumped this text > video memory out to a userland program. > > I've got some old software I got 90% of the way to completing which > might make your work much easier. Specifically, > > 1. Some patches to syscons which add this ioctl -- these patches are > against 2.2.x, but syscons hasn't changed drastically in the past > few years. > > 2. A userland program, "scrshot", which you run like so; > > scrshot tty-device > filename That sounds fantastic, Nik! Just what I've been wanting for years. It could be a big help with support, too. One screenshot is worth a hundred confusing emails. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 7:58:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C750D37B424; Wed, 16 May 2001 07:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GEwPU86779; Thu, 17 May 2001 00:58:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:58:25 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Brooks Davis Cc: Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010517005824.L26132@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Brooks Davis , Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:39:02AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > Is there some reason why our finished HTML itself can't be made useful > > to all, as HTML was intended? > > Because the designers of HTML compleatly screwed up the IMG tag. :-( > There are some things that work fine as ASCII art, but you can't do HTML > which uses ASCII art when images are off because you can't control the > formatting of text in the ALT argument of the IMG tag. DocBook handles > this correctly in that you can have multiple options for any given media > object including video, pictures, text, and ASCII art. Unfortunatly, > there are some things that are just going to be too painful for most > people to describe comprehensivly in the alt text so that's not really a > fully functional option either (take the TCP state diagram as an example.) Which is why the D link convention was adopted for longer descriptions. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 9:20:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (chfdns01.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C9037B422; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.38 2001/05/09 12:49:45 root Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA22501; Wed, 16 May 2001 16:20:25 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA06568; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:20:22 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id MAA01199; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:20:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15106.43206.209457.832317@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:20:22 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots In-Reply-To: <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Wednesday, May 16, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > It would be possible to add a new ioctl to syscons that dumped this text > video memory out to a userland program. > BOFFO idea! > This approach offers a couple of benefits over your current approach > of taking snapshots in X. > > 1. shot2gif can parse syscons font files -- the fonts that appear in > the GIF file are identical to the ones that will appear on the > user's screen. excellent! > > 2. If someone goes and writes shot2txt then we can include plain text > snapshots very, very easily. This is essential when producing the definitely. > 3. Someone who knows Postscript better than I could put together > shot2ps -- since the font and colour information is taken direct > from the source, the fidelity of any produced Postscript can be > better than that acheived by converting GIFs or PNGs to EPS. The main contributor to the original "printing" section of the handbook, Sean Kelly, is very good in PostScript. Perhaps he could take a stab at this one (hint, hint, wink, Sean!). > Currently unwritten (although it would be trivial to do so) would be a > shot2txt program, which would write out just the text from the snapshot, > ignoring the colours. I've not tested this on an "actual" screen dump since I haven't got my machine here to try the syscons patches. But, please accept this Perl as my humble contribution to this very cool effort. It "should work." #!/usr/bin/perl # # Copyright (c) 2001 John Reynolds # All rights reserved. # # Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without # modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions # are met: # 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright # notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. # 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright # notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the # documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. # # THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND # ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE # IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE # ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE # FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL # DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS # OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) # HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT # LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY # OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF # SUCH DAMAGE. # # # This program takes a "screen shot" produced by scrshot(1) and strips out # the color code bytes used to represent foreground and background colors in # PC display memory. It simply leaves the character itself which is useful for # creating text-only documentation that relies on "screen shots" to convey # information. # while (! eof(STDIN)) { $character = getc; $color = getc; printf ("%s", $character); } -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 9:31:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A0437B424; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4GGSLm97126; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:28:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:28:19 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brooks Davis Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Sue Blake , Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm cc'ing this back to -doc. On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:39:02AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > Is there some reason why our finished HTML itself can't be made useful > > to all, as HTML was intended? >=20 > Because the designers of HTML compleatly screwed up the IMG tag. :-( Specifically, Marc Andreesen. However, that's a rant for a whole other time. > There are some things that work fine as ASCII art, but you can't do HTML > which uses ASCII art when images are off because you can't control the > formatting of text in the ALT argument of the IMG tag. =20 True. > DocBook handles > this correctly in that you can have multiple options for any given media > object including video, pictures, text, and ASCII art. Unfortunatly, > there are some things that are just going to be too painful for most > people to describe comprehensivly in the alt text so that's not really a > fully functional option either (take the TCP state diagram as an example.) Which is why images in the Doc. Proj. should have at least two elements. One of them contains a which becomes the contents of the alt attribute, the other should contain a block to contain the necessary ASCII art. It *is* possible to then generate HTML that has ASCII art in it instead of pictures. For example, if you've got a checked out copy of the doc/ tree, do cd doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design make article.html-text and then load the generated article.html-text file in to your browser (you may need to rename it to article.html before your browser will realise it's HTML). Again, these are available from the FTP site -- they're not currently turned on by default in the web site build. I've put a copy of what one of these looks like in http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/article.html-text Compare and contrast with http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design/article.= html The big problem we'll have getting these coexisting is that filenames for different output formats will probably clash. We may now be getting to the point where we need to put each output format in its own subdirectory at build and install time, which is another headache. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsCqqIACgkQk6gHZCw343XlggCeMwciMcAoarR98x1gZYsi7bqc WnIAn3Ow87ghRgI/+cNpH62NYq3S9zvY =Dv7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 9:32: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A0437B424; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:31:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4GGSLm97126; Wed, 16 May 2001 17:28:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 17:28:19 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Brooks Davis Cc: doc@freebsd.org, Sue Blake , Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.ORG, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>; from brooks@one-eyed-alien.net on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm cc'ing this back to -doc. On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:49:46AM -0700, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:39:02AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > > Is there some reason why our finished HTML itself can't be made useful > > to all, as HTML was intended? >=20 > Because the designers of HTML compleatly screwed up the IMG tag. :-( Specifically, Marc Andreesen. However, that's a rant for a whole other time. > There are some things that work fine as ASCII art, but you can't do HTML > which uses ASCII art when images are off because you can't control the > formatting of text in the ALT argument of the IMG tag. =20 True. > DocBook handles > this correctly in that you can have multiple options for any given media > object including video, pictures, text, and ASCII art. Unfortunatly, > there are some things that are just going to be too painful for most > people to describe comprehensivly in the alt text so that's not really a > fully functional option either (take the TCP state diagram as an example.) Which is why images in the Doc. Proj. should have at least two elements. One of them contains a which becomes the contents of the alt attribute, the other should contain a block to contain the necessary ASCII art. It *is* possible to then generate HTML that has ASCII art in it instead of pictures. For example, if you've got a checked out copy of the doc/ tree, do cd doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design make article.html-text and then load the generated article.html-text file in to your browser (you may need to rename it to article.html before your browser will realise it's HTML). Again, these are available from the FTP site -- they're not currently turned on by default in the web site build. I've put a copy of what one of these looks like in http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/article.html-text Compare and contrast with http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/vm-design/article.= html The big problem we'll have getting these coexisting is that filenames for different output formats will probably clash. We may now be getting to the point where we need to put each output format in its own subdirectory at build and install time, which is another headache. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsCqqIACgkQk6gHZCw343XlggCeMwciMcAoarR98x1gZYsi7bqc WnIAn3Ow87ghRgI/+cNpH62NYq3S9zvY =Dv7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tqI+Z3u+9OQ7kwn0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 9:39:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFD37B42C; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4GGdn231741; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: Brooks Davis , doc@freebsd.org, Sue Blake , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516093949.A30869@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:28:19PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:28:19PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > The big problem we'll have getting these coexisting is that filenames > for different output formats will probably clash. We may now be getting > to the point where we need to put each output format in its own > subdirectory at build and install time, which is another headache. I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't ASCII art at all in HTML, just that we can't do say, GIF and ASCII art at the same time. I didn't actually realize that the html-text option was there. Way cool. Of course the next question is, once SVG becomes mostly standard in modern browsers, do we have to generate three versions to support those who only do raster images? -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Aq1UXY6L6fI4GtQRAt1hAJ97VBmgb7K2ZvSy0gwqUV4IHUNoYgCfVqSW b5JmUCCI4UNOvsBa+388Irw= =uGZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 9:39:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFD37B42C; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4GGdn231741; Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 09:39:49 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: Brooks Davis , doc@freebsd.org, Sue Blake , "Bruce A. Mah" , Randy Pratt , freebsd-docs@freebsd.org, Doug Young , Murray Stokely , Jim Mock Subject: Re: Install Preview (was Re: (was) I'm leaving, now something like "anti official docs rant" :) ) Message-ID: <20010516093949.A30869@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516093113.G26123@welearn.com.au> <200105160129.f4G1TtF13540@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010516104048.G72224@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517003901.K26132@welearn.com.au> <20010516074946.A20858@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516172819.C41723@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:28:19PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 05:28:19PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > The big problem we'll have getting these coexisting is that filenames > for different output formats will probably clash. We may now be getting > to the point where we need to put each output format in its own > subdirectory at build and install time, which is another headache. I didn't mean to imply that you couldn't ASCII art at all in HTML, just that we can't do say, GIF and ASCII art at the same time. I didn't actually realize that the html-text option was there. Way cool. Of course the next question is, once SVG becomes mostly standard in modern browsers, do we have to generate three versions to support those who only do raster images? -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Aq1UXY6L6fI4GtQRAt1hAJ97VBmgb7K2ZvSy0gwqUV4IHUNoYgCfVqSW b5JmUCCI4UNOvsBa+388Irw= =uGZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 11:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E112037B42C for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GIA1q93916; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E2937B422 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GI3Ng79382; Wed, 16 May 2001 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105161803.f4GI3Ng79382@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 11:03:23 -0700 (PDT) From: hendrik@scholz.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27392 >Category: docs >Synopsis: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed May 16 11:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Hendrik Scholz >Release: 4.3-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD perikles.lan.raisdorf.net 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #18: Sat May 12 22:06:08 CEST 2001 hscholz@perikles.lan.raisdorf.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/PERIKLES i386 >Description: The manpage of make.conf(5) shows serveral references in the SEE ALSO section. The make(7) manpage does not exist. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Delete the reference to make(7) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 12:50:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A0237B423 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4GJo3201484; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105161950.f4GJo3201484@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Christopher Shumway Subject: Re: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO Reply-To: Christopher Shumway Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/27392; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Christopher Shumway To: Cc: Subject: Re: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 12:45:57 -0700 (PDT) On Wed, 16 May 2001 hendrik@scholz.net wrote: > > >Number: 27392 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: doc-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Wed May 16 11:10:01 PDT 2001 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Hendrik Scholz > >Release: 4.3-STABLE > >Organization: > >Environment: > FreeBSD perikles.lan.raisdorf.net 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #18: Sat May 12 22:06:08 CEST 2001 hscholz@perikles.lan.raisdorf.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/PERIKLES i386 > > >Description: > The manpage of make.conf(5) shows serveral references in the SEE ALSO > section. The make(7) manpage does not exist. > >How-To-Repeat: > > >Fix: > Delete the reference to make(7) > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: I think its supposed to point to make(1). Index: src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 =================================================================== RCS file: /host/cvs/usr/home/ncvs/src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5,v retrieving revision 1.12.2.1 diff -u -r1.12.2.1 make.conf.5 --- src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/03/08 05:44:45 1.12.2.1 +++ src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/05/16 19:39:16 @@ -751,7 +751,7 @@ .Xr install 1 , .Xr lpd 8 , .Xr make 1 , -.Xr make 7 , +.Xr make 1 , .Xr ports 7 , .Xr sendmail 8 .Sh HISTORY --- Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org cshumway@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 12:50:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2CD37B424 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12541 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:50:16 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: When does a Q become FA? Message-ID: <20010516155016.A12476@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, folks, I had a server crash on me yesterday. Fortunately, it gave warnings about increasing PMAP_SHPGPERPROC. A quick mailing list archive search found the cause & solutions. The "quick archive search" returned many different threads, all with the same problem. So, are things like this suitable for inclusion in the FAQ? Or is the mailing list archive considered an adequate info source? ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 13: 7:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B935737B43C for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4GK7g524391; Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:07:42 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When does a Q become FA? Message-ID: <20010516130742.A23324@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010516155016.A12476@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516155016.A12476@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:50:16PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:50:16PM -0400, Michael Lucas wrote: > I had a server crash on me yesterday. Fortunately, it gave warnings > about increasing PMAP_SHPGPERPROC. A quick mailing list archive > search found the cause & solutions. >=20 > The "quick archive search" returned many different threads, all with > the same problem. >=20 > So, are things like this suitable for inclusion in the FAQ? Or is the > mailing list archive considered an adequate info source? Personaly, I'd say it's met the FA requirement if it's got many threads. The FAQ is superior to the archives in that it's a reasionable size (i.e. you could put it on a PDA or print it). -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7At4NXY6L6fI4GtQRAqK2AKCRAxOm8oFlsICv+VZYCZfctLjGpgCgwF49 YjPMmAp+vRr4KT9dkdk4QUw= =ixkm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 15: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6F337B42C for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:01:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4GLhP898958; Wed, 16 May 2001 22:43:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:43:24 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Michael Lucas Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When does a Q become FA? Message-ID: <20010516224324.B42804@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010516155016.A12476@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010516155016.A12476@blackhelicopters.org>; from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:50:16PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Q: When does a Q become FA? A: When someone cares enough to submit it to the Doc. Proj. for inclusion in the FAQ. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsC9HsACgkQk6gHZCw343UPYACeKGDq5n+QGgehfcGKr8VxOHy8 tbAAnjZ4NNVlOgkOsoiDHq56csGaQL9N =NF9U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H+4ONPRPur6+Ovig-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 15: 2: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30F737B423 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:01:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4GLg2N98950; Wed, 16 May 2001 22:42:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 22:41:51 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Christopher Shumway Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO Message-ID: <20010516224150.A42804@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200105161950.f4GJo3201484@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105161950.f4GJo3201484@freefall.freebsd.org>; from cshumway@titan-project.org on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:50:03PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:50:03PM -0700, Christopher Shumway wrote: > diff -u -r1.12.2.1 make.conf.5 > --- src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/03/08 05:44:45 1.12.2.1 > +++ src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/05/16 19:39:16 > @@ -751,7 +751,7 @@ > .Xr install 1 , > .Xr lpd 8 , > .Xr make 1 , > -.Xr make 7 , > +.Xr make 1 , > .Xr ports 7 , > .Xr sendmail 8 > .Sh HISTORY Eh, then we have two links. . . does make(7) exist in -current, or something? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsC9B4ACgkQk6gHZCw343WCRACeJZaVatuCxdjPLiCHHPg1qyic jWwAnA3uIbAA9mU541fLkti3msliUcUO =b55y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 15:10:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from titan.titan-project.org (titan.titan-project.org [216.127.78.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708BD37B423; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:10:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Received: from localhost (cshumway@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.titan-project.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4GMAtx03737; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Shumway To: Nik Clayton Cc: Subject: Re: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO In-Reply-To: <20010516224150.A42804@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: <20010516150911.B3636-100000@titan.titan-project.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 16 May 2001, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:50:03PM -0700, Christopher Shumway wrote: > > diff -u -r1.12.2.1 make.conf.5 > > --- src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/03/08 05:44:45 1.12.2.1 > > +++ src/share/man/man5/make.conf.5 2001/05/16 19:39:16 > > @@ -751,7 +751,7 @@ > > .Xr install 1 , > > .Xr lpd 8 , > > .Xr make 1 , > > -.Xr make 7 , > > +.Xr make 1 , > > .Xr ports 7 , > > .Xr sendmail 8 > > .Sh HISTORY > > Eh, then we have two links. . . does make(7) exist in -current, or > something? I didn't notice the first one (someone destracted me with the notion of lunch...) So the second refrence can just be deleted. No, make(7) doesn't exsist in -current. --- Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org cshumway@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 15:18:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from clio.sc.intel.com (scfdns01.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D8A37B423; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by clio.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.38 2001/05/09 12:49:45 root Exp $) with ESMTP id WAA03280; Wed, 16 May 2001 22:18:53 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA18707; Wed, 16 May 2001 15:18:51 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id SAA08318; Wed, 16 May 2001 18:18:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="99NbkYPOeL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 15:18:50 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots In-Reply-To: <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --99NbkYPOeL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: message body text Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. Some patches to syscons which add this ioctl -- these patches are > against 2.2.x, but syscons hasn't changed drastically in the past > few years. Apparently it has. As a followup, I've taken Nik's patches and "come closer" but I've been beaten by time and lack of knowledge here. The attached patches apply "cleanly" to a 4.3-STABLE system but your kernel will not compile: ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c: In function `scioctl': ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:789: structure has no member named `scr_buf' this is because struct scr_stat no longer has a member called scr_buf. I did a little poking around and at version 1.48 of syscons.h, is where scr_buf was no more. Looks like a lot of stuff got moved into the softc structure. However, at this point, that's where my knowledge runs out of gas. I don't know how to modify Nik's code: copyout (scp->scr_buf, ptr->buf, ptr->xsize*ptr->ysize * sizeof(u_short)); to point to the right buffer. scp->sc->????. The syscons patch applies to /usr/src/sys/dev/syscons, but the other patch no longer applies to "console.h" but rather /usr/src/sys/sys/consio.h. Hopefully somebody with more knowledge of syscons than me can take this and run so that we can put this capability in place like Nik had envisioned. -Jr --99NbkYPOeL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename="syscons.c.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- syscons.c.orig Wed May 16 13:52:07 2001 +++ syscons.c Wed May 16 14:25:03 2001 @@ -774,6 +774,24 @@ return EINVAL; } + case CONS_SCRSHOT: /* get a screen shot */ + { + scrshot_t *ptr = (scrshot_t*)data; + s = spltty(); + if (ISGRAPHSC(scp)) { + splx(s); + return EOPNOTSUPP; + } + if (scp->xsize != ptr->xsize || scp->ysize != ptr->ysize) { + splx(s); + return EINVAL; + } + copyout (scp->scr_buf, ptr->buf, + ptr->xsize*ptr->ysize * sizeof(u_short)); + splx(s); + return 0; + } + case CONS_GETVERS: /* get version number */ *(int*)data = 0x200; /* version 2.0 */ return 0; --99NbkYPOeL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline; filename="consio.h.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- consio.h.orig Wed May 16 14:27:49 2001 +++ consio.h Wed May 16 14:39:23 2001 @@ -213,6 +213,15 @@ }; typedef struct vid_info vid_info_t; +/* holds "raw" color+character info when doing a "screen shot" (scrshot(1) */ +struct scrshot { + int xsize; + int ysize; + u_short* buf; +}; +typedef struct scrshot scrshot_t; + + #define CONS_GETINFO _IOWR('c', 73, vid_info_t) /* get version */ @@ -232,6 +241,9 @@ /* set the frame buffer window origin (equivalent to FBIO_SETWINORG) */ #define CONS_SETWINORG _IO('c', 104 /*, u_int */) + +/* needed for scrshot(1) */ +#define CONS_SCRSHOT _IOWR('c', 105, scrshot_t) /* use the specified keyboard */ #define CONS_SETKBD _IO('c', 110 /*, int */) --99NbkYPOeL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: .signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= --99NbkYPOeL-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed May 16 23:50:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eniac.cable.net.co (eniac.cable.net.co [196.27.25.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F1D37B422 for ; Wed, 16 May 2001 23:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from servicios@digitecnia.com) Received: from localhost ([209.88.49.106]) by eniac.cable.net.co (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 637-71558U30000L25000S0V35) with ESMTP id co for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 01:55:38 -0500 X-Sender: servicios@digitecnia.com From: digitecnia.com To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:50:54 -0500 Subject: Su negocio esta al aire?... o en el aire? 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(envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:08:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105170708.f4H78se04653@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hendrik@scholz.net, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27392: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: make.conf manpage shows non-existent make(7) under SEE ALSO State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Thu May 17 00:08:36 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27392 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 3: 4: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3799B37B422; Thu, 17 May 2001 03:04:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4H9p7102620; Thu, 17 May 2001 10:51:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:50:36 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds~ Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots Message-ID: <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com>; from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com on Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:18:50PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 03:18:50PM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: Content-Description: message body text >=20 > > 1. Some patches to syscons which add this ioctl -- these patches are > > against 2.2.x, but syscons hasn't changed drastically in the past > > few years. >=20 > Apparently it has. >=20 > As a followup, I've taken Nik's patches and "come closer" but I've been b= eaten > by time and lack of knowledge here. The attached patches apply "cleanly" = to a > 4.3-STABLE system but your kernel will not compile: >=20 > ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c: In function `scioctl': > ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c:789: structure has no member named `scr_buf' >=20 > this is because struct scr_stat no longer has a member called scr_buf.=20 It's become scp->vtb.vtb_buffer. The attached patches apply cleanly, and the kernel builds OK, but I was testing this on a remote machine I can't reboot with a new kernel, so I haven't verified that the kernel works, or that the ioctl does what it's supposed to do. I also changed u_short to u_int16_t to be consistent with the rest of syscons. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="syscons2.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: dev/syscons/syscons.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/dev/syscons/syscons.c,v retrieving revision 1.357 diff -u -r1.357 syscons.c --- dev/syscons/syscons.c 2001/05/01 08:12:05 1.357 +++ dev/syscons/syscons.c 2001/05/17 09:42:15 @@ -838,6 +838,24 @@ splx(s); return 0; =20 + case CONS_SCRSHOT: /* get a screen shot */ + { + scrshot_t *ptr =3D (scrshot_t*)data; + s =3D spltty(); + if (ISGRAPHSC(scp)) { + splx(s); + return EOPNOTSUPP; + } + if (scp->xsize !=3D ptr->xsize || scp->ysize !=3D ptr->ysize) { + splx(s); + return EINVAL; + } + copyout ((void*)scp->vtb.vtb_buffer, ptr->buf, + ptr->xsize * ptr->ysize * sizeof(u_int16_t)); + splx(s); + return 0; + } + case VT_SETMODE: /* set screen switcher mode */ { struct vt_mode *mode; Index: sys/consio.h =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/sys/consio.h,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 consio.h --- sys/consio.h 2000/04/27 13:34:31 1.6 +++ sys/consio.h 2001/05/16 22:54:44 @@ -239,6 +239,16 @@ /* release the current keyboard */ #define CONS_RELKBD _IO('c', 111) =20 +/* Snapshot the current video buffer */ +#define CONS_SCRSHOT _IOWR('c', 105, scrshot_t) + +struct scrshot { + int xsize; + int ysize; + u_int16_t* buf; +}; +typedef struct scrshot scrshot_t; + /* get/set the current terminal emulator info. */ #define TI_NAME_LEN 32 #define TI_DESC_LEN 64 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp-- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsDnuEACgkQk6gHZCw343VkkACdEykLVAucUg0ngEC+CTkLFuFT 2dYAmwW8luHlHyQnFhflvkzogndCgdis =aBLw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BwCQnh7xodEAoBMC-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 4: 8:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fep13-svc.tin.it (mta13-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC2637B42C for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 04:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garway@tin.it) Received: from [212.216.67.142] by fep13-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20010517110848.UCMD5273.fep13-svc.tin.it@[212.216.67.142]> for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 13:08:48 +0200 From: GARWAY ltd To: Subject: FACTORING Message-Id: <20010517110848.UCMD5273.fep13-svc.tin.it@[212.216.67.142]> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:08:48 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org GARWAY ltd tel.: + 39.335.5265106 fax: + 39.011.5633442 fax: + 39.335.5174978 e-mail: garway@tin.it La Garway ltd, svolgendo attivit� di international - factoring, � alla ricerca di societ� italiane (che effettuano importazioni dalla Romania, dall'Ungheria, e da altri Paesi dell'Est europeo, verso l'Italia) interessate ad una linea di credito che consenta loro di effettuare i pagamenti ai loro fornitori esteri in contanti al momento della spedizione della merce. Le dilazioni per le societ� italiane possono essere fissate tra 30 e 120 giorni, verso la nostra societ� di factoring. Si possono anche considerare importi di 30.000.000 di lire / mese ed il costo di tali operazioni � pari a quello bancario. Analoghe operazioni si possono realizzare anche per forniture Italia su Italia (e per forniture gi� effettuate ma ancora da incassare). Qualora la Vostra societ� sia interessata a tali operazioni, Vi preghiamo di contattarci e provvederemo ad inviarvi dettagliate informazioni. Garway ltd Managing Director To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 4:31:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1295337B43C; Thu, 17 May 2001 04:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4HBM1F03371; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:22:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:22:01 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots Message-ID: <20010517122200.A3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:50:36AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:50:36AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > It's become scp->vtb.vtb_buffer. >=20 > The attached patches apply cleanly, and the kernel builds OK, but I was > testing this on a remote machine I can't reboot with a new kernel, so I > haven't verified that the kernel works, or that the ioctl does what it's > supposed to do. Thanks to Ruslan for testing this, it works. It's gone off to -arch for review, and all being well, I should commit it in a day or two. shot2png and shot2txt will follow shortly as well. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsDtFcACgkQk6gHZCw343UjKgCdF9mrhoVyeHgGZXsFeNjahoMy Y9IAn0IRglu7qYLANMxjLOFPU+lGCOPe =fVHE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 4:31:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDCA37B50C for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 04:31:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4HBRjg03386 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 May 2001 12:27:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:27:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, I'm rethinking the policy on image source files in the doc/ tree. Up till now, I've said that only PNG or EPS images should be allowed in the doc/ tree, and that it's up to doc builders to have the necessary tools installed (eps2png, basically) to convert between them as necessary. I think that might be bit too restrictive, and I'd like to loosen it up a little bit. Specifically, some of the images that we are going to be using will not have a source format of EPS or PNG. They might be Xfig diagrams, for example, or video screen dumps with the new scrshot stuff we've been talking about over the past few days. I think it's reasonable to allow these in the repository as well. However, I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone else to need to install the tools to do the conversion in order to build the docs. So, I'd like the policy to be; If you use third party tools to generate images then you can commit the source file (e.g., figure1.xfig) to the repository. However, you must *also* commit the same image as either EPS or PNG (e.g., figure1.eps) so that other people can build the documentation with the minimum installed toolchain. Thoughts? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsDtbAACgkQk6gHZCw343VP1QCeO8/owjhk1rb6Deklz0Gzw+2y gDUAn338SB5CbZhM1OQka+nCrGl2hfEk =aOuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 8:20: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF4637B424 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4HFK5776823; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510BD37B424 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4HFCjZ76079; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105171512.f4HFCjZ76079@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:12:45 -0700 (PDT) From: antilyrical@spamcop.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27410: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27410 >Category: docs >Synopsis: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 17 08:20:04 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mario Lia >Release: 4.2 >Organization: N/A >Environment: N/A >Description: In the documention for the 4.2 install kit, it talks about a "Novice" install option. In the actual software it's called "Standard" Thanks. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 8:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CF437B423 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4HFo5Y79872; Thu, 17 May 2001 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105171550.f4HFo5Y79872@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: John Reynolds~ Subject: Re: docs/27410: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" Reply-To: John Reynolds~ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/27410; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Reynolds~ To: antilyrical@spamcop.net Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: docs/27410: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:46:05 -0700 [ On Thursday, May 17, antilyrical@spamcop.net wrote: ] > > In the documention for the 4.2 install kit, it talks about a "Novice" > install option. In the actual software it's called "Standard" could you give us some more information as to "the book" that you talk about? Which 4.2 install "kit" do you refer to? The 4-CD-ROM set from Walnut Creek? Are you talking about a printed/bound version of the FreeBSD Handbook that might have come with your CDs? If you help us narrow down which information source this is, we can correct it MUCH more easily. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 11:15:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (chfdns01.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF1537B424 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:15:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.38 2001/05/09 12:49:45 root Exp $) with ESMTP id SAA05063 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 18:15:40 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA12445 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:15:40 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id OAA05215; Thu, 17 May 2001 14:15:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15108.5451.861040.860149@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:15:39 -0700 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots In-Reply-To: <20010517122200.A3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517122200.A3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Thursday, May 17, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > Thanks to Ruslan for testing this, it works. It's gone off to -arch for > review, and all being well, I should commit it in a day or two. > Definitely--it works. I just tested it. Totally cool :) > shot2png and shot2txt will follow shortly as well. my previously untested 'shot2txt' has now been tested as well, FYI. Thanks for finishing the patch rework Nik! -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 11:31: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932B337B422; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4HIV3Y26554; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:27:44PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 12:27:44PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > So, I'd like the policy to be; >=20 > If you use third party tools to generate images then you can commit > the source file (e.g., figure1.xfig) to the repository. However, you > must *also* commit the same image as either EPS or PNG (e.g., > figure1.eps) so that other people can build the documentation with the > minimum installed toolchain. >=20 > Thoughts? I think it makes sense to allow actual (or even require) that the actual source file be in the tree, but I wonder the proposed policy isn't too strict. Specificaly, it seems that the screenshot tools aren't very big and don't require X so it might be better to for people to have them and adding them to the infrastructure. Where to draw the line is clearly hard, but it feels like screen shots should be first class images in OS documentation. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7BBjmXY6L6fI4GtQRAhCRAKDQldjlIay+GSKT3D5tU3LXtBeBbQCcDH8k TMlme6tURmjmnb3bA8DdTRw= =s1fF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 11:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBFD37B440 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4HIe1b04836; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE2C937B424 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4HIVtf03959; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105171831.f4HIVtf03959@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: dwimsey@rtci.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27411: Description of function in man page for pthread_cleanup_push is incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27411 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Description of function in man page for pthread_cleanup_push is incorrect >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu May 17 11:40:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: David Wimsey >Release: 5.0-CURRENT >Organization: Research Triangle Commerce, Inc >Environment: FreeBSD chaos.schizo.com 5.0-20010320-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-20010320-CURRENT #0: Tue Mar 20 16:16:37 GMT 2001 root@usw2.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: The second paragraph of the description reads: When pthread_cleanup_push() is called, it is passed arg as its only argu- ment. I assume it means: When cleanup_routine() is called, it is passed arg as its only argu- ment. >How-To-Repeat: man pthread_cleanup_push >Fix: --- pthread_cleanup_push.3.orig Thu May 17 14:27:07 2001 +++ pthread_cleanup_push.3 Thu May 17 14:28:09 2001 @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ get called when the current thread exits. .Pp When -.Fn pthread_cleanup_push +.Fn cleanup_routine is called, it is passed .Fa arg as its only argument. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 11:45:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nwcst288.netaddress.usa.net (nwcst288.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F3F937B423 for ; Thu, 17 May 2001 11:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from slansky@usa.net) Received: (qmail 13945 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2001 18:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010517184518.13944.qmail@nwcst288.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.33 by nwcst288 for [195.7.32.99] via web-mailer(34FM.0700.17C.01) on Thu May 17 18:45:18 GMT 2001 Date: 17 May 2001 19:45:18 BST From: Petr Slansky To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: pnp, config, ... X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM.0700.17C.01) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I installed FreeBSD 4.3. It works! ;-) Anyway, I miss manpage about optio= ns that are used in config(8). Some information can be found in driver manpa= ges (like sio), but that is not enougth. I miss info why some devices are isa= ? or isa0, how to configure pnp devices, about syntax, ... I miss general info= about config file. I miss isa manpage too... ;-) I miss information about pnp. I miss pnp manpage. Is there realy no contr= ol over pnp proccess? Cannot I pre-set some devices to some adress, irq, ...= In the past there was some pnp driver, I found it on the web. I spent a lot = of time to start my internal ISA modem to be installed (sio driver). This de= vice is known by kernel, but I received all time message "unkown device (?)". Problem was with free resources, there was no free interrupt. Maybe I rea= lly don't need any control over pnp proccess but in the past that was possibl= e. What about LINT configuration. Is it actual, are all possibilities in the= file? Is there any way how to generate actual LINT config file? BTW, I am not expert, so maybe this is stupid email...;-) Good Luck! Petr =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Petr Slansky, slansky@usa.net =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 17:28:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF4437B422; Thu, 17 May 2001 17:28:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f4I0StU25422; Thu, 17 May 2001 17:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4I0Snn05073; Thu, 17 May 2001 17:28:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Brooks Davis Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Comments: In-reply-to Brooks Davis message dated "Thu, 17 May 2001 11:31:03 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_228134564P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:28:49 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_228134564P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Brooks Davis wrote: > I think it makes sense to allow actual (or even require) that the actual > source file be in the tree, but I wonder the proposed policy isn't too > strict. Specificaly, it seems that the screenshot tools aren't very big > and don't require X so it might be better to for people to have them and > adding them to the infrastructure. Where to draw the line is clearly > hard, but it feels like screen shots should be first class images in > OS documentation. I think that allowing automatic builds of *PNG or *.TXT files from *.SCR files (or whatever the extension is) makes sense, particularly if the tools for working with *.SCR files are coming into the base system. That said, this would require any machine building the docs to have a fairly up-to-date -CURRENT or 4-STABLE, right? (Once the relevent programs get committed, that is.) Have we ever had a situation like that before? Bruce. --==_Exmh_228134564P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7BGzB2MoxcVugUsMRAqsHAKDaq84o/eJKwB1hW7Cl5Oz6/aPWsACfYrK0 WDd6o100KI+8gvmcCh3B6bI= =WYdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_228134564P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 18: 1:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B7637B422; Thu, 17 May 2001 18:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4I0c6G08379; Fri, 18 May 2001 01:38:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 01:36:45 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Brooks Davis , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:28:49PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:28:49PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Brooks Davis wrote: > > I think it makes sense to allow actual (or even require) that the actual > > source file be in the tree, but I wonder the proposed policy isn't too > > strict. Specificaly, it seems that the screenshot tools aren't very big > > and don't require X so it might be better to for people to have them and > > adding them to the infrastructure. Where to draw the line is clearly > > hard, but it feels like screen shots should be first class images in > > OS documentation. >=20 > I think that allowing automatic builds of *PNG or *.TXT files from=20 > *.SCR files (or whatever the extension is) makes sense, particularly if > the tools for working with *.SCR files are coming into the base system. Some of the tools are. The syscons changes are the scrshot tool are, but I would expect to keep shot2{png,gif,txt} in the ports tree, at least for the time being. If for no other reason than that shot2{gif,png} will depend on libgd or libpng, or similar. shot2{png,gif,txt} will just become additional dependencies in the docproj/ meta-port. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsEbpwACgkQk6gHZCw343UZewCfXIwPWXtySwPkquqaOhDMsiPY 73cAn3zY5C8X2cJYCe4+M04ZkCSBVQbA =SN1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu May 17 23:58: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B693E37B422; Thu, 17 May 2001 23:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4I6w4b25141; Thu, 17 May 2001 23:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:58:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200105180658.f4I6w4b25141@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dwimsey@rtci.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27411: Description of function in man page for pthread_cleanup_push is incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Description of function in man page for pthread_cleanup_push is incorrect State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Thu May 17 23:57:44 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27411 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 7:50: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D231E37B423 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4IEo2j01169; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEDF37B423 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4IEk5H00851; Fri, 18 May 2001 07:46:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105181446.f4IEk5H00851@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: random@beotel.yu To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27430: Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27430 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 18 07:50:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Vladimir Vrzic >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: BSD users of Yugoslavia >Environment: FreeBSD amber.OpenBSD.org.yu 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #1: Fri May 11 18:50:44 CEST 2001 root@amber.OpenBSD.org.yu:/usr/src/sys/compile/AMBER i386 >Description: One more translated article to be added to the tree (dialup-firewall). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: The article, along with the updated makefile is here: http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~random/tmp/sr.YU-articles.tar.gz Somebody please add the contents of the archive to ${PREFIX}/doc/sr_YU.ISO_8859-2/articles >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 8:11:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kalaid.f2f.com.ua (kalaid.f2f.com.ua [62.149.0.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A59E37B423 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mail.uic-in.net) Received: from mail.uic-in.net (root@[212.35.189.4]) by kalaid.f2f.com.ua (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4IFCXE17427 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 18:12:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mail.uic-in.net) Received: (from never@localhost) by mail.uic-in.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4IFBKA34439 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 May 2001 18:11:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:11:20 +0300 From: "Alexandr P. Kovalenko" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: [The freebsd-stable archive is currently unavailable.] Message-ID: <20010518181120.B17041@uic-in.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry, maybe it is rarely repeated question... While trying to search in mailing list archives I'm getting this: URL: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/search.cgi?words=ISO+image&max=25&sort=score&index=recent&source=freebsd-questions&source=freebsd-stable&source=freebsd-doc ----- cut ----- Search Results [The freebsd-stable archive is currently unavailable.] The archive freebsd-questions contains the following items relevant to `ISO image': ----- cut ----- How long will it be unavaliable?... P.S. Please, Cc: me, I'm not subscribed to the list... -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 8:46:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (chfdns02.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4A337B424 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 08:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.39 2001/05/18 00:47:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA28075 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 15:46:34 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA25603 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 08:46:34 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA00782; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.17370.556766.821490@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:46:34 -0700 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > least for the time being. If for no other reason than that > shot2{gif,png} will depend on libgd or libpng, or similar. > > shot2{png,gif,txt} will just become additional dependencies in the > docproj/ meta-port. > FYI, I'm tackling the shot2txt progie. It's more complicated than the 3-line Perl script I sent out 2 days ago (but yet still definitely not rocket science). Is anybody (but Nik) "signed up" to get shot2gif or shot2png working/written yet? If so, please identify yourself. I'd like to take a peek at these two things over the weekend, but don't want to duplicate effort. Thx, -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 10:32:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457137B422; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4IGmkW11911; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:48:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:48:46 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots Message-ID: <20010518174845.A1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:50:36AM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK, here's where we are with this. 1. The patches to syscons have been applied to -current. I'll MFC them to -stable in a week or so (they work fine, my test machine runs 4.3-RC2, and the patch applied cleanly). If you want the patches before then, get them from http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/syscons2.diff 2. scrshot(1) has been committed to -current. There is some discussion about whether or not the feature should be merged in to vidcontrol instead. I don't care one way or the other. Again, I'll merge this to -stable in a week or so. If you want it before then, the files can be grabbed from the web, at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/scrshot/ 3. ports/graphics/shot2png has been committed. Run it in conjunction with scrshot, scrshot /dev/ttyv0 | shot2png > shot.png It parses syscons font files, see shot2png(1) for more. If the port distfile is unfetchable, grab it from http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/shot2png-1.0.tar.gz Sample PNG files are at=20 http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/shot1.png shot2.png shot2-thin.png That last shot was created by using the same source file, but using the cp850-thin-8x16.fnt file, instead of the default font=20 file. 4. ports/textproc/shot2txt will follow shortly. When the MFCs are complete I'll add these to the docproj meta-port. Enjoy. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsFUm0ACgkQk6gHZCw343W7+gCgim4NgyzH34uDd940D2qy8NbO KooAn39mrJpLqXF1mC/1ZxmxKZygXyrZ =MWfR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 10:45:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (chfdns02.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844B437B422 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.39 2001/05/18 00:47:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id RAA03539 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:45:13 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id KAA15113 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:45:12 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id NAA02398; Fri, 18 May 2001 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.24488.616321.605772@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:45:12 -0700 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic text screenshots In-Reply-To: <20010518174845.A1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01051513051703.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <200105151727.f4FHRos64816@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <01051515135804.00373@k6-2.weeble.com> <20010516103515.A38101@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15106.64714.806080.138718@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010517105036.A99290@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010518174845.A1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > OK, here's where we are with this. > > 4. ports/textproc/shot2txt will follow shortly. I'll roll the port for this over the weekend. When I'm satisfied with the results, I'll send-pr it. I'll copy doc@freebsd.org on the GNATS return message so that somebody (Nik) can then commit it. Thanks for the concise update Nik! -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 10:45:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B73F37B43C for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 10:45:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4IHeKg12979; Fri, 18 May 2001 18:40:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 18:40:20 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds~ Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010518184019.B1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.17370.556766.821490@hip186.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CblX+4bnyfN0pR09" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15109.17370.556766.821490@hip186.ch.intel.com>; from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:46:34AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="K8nIJk4ghYZn606h" Content-Disposition: inline --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:46:34AM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: > FYI, I'm tackling the shot2txt progie. It's more complicated than the 3-l= ine > Perl script I sent out 2 days ago (but yet still definitely not rocket > science). Is anybody (but Nik) "signed up" to get shot2gif or shot2png > working/written yet?=20 shot2png is in and committed. I have shot2txt ready to go as well. I've attached the source. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="shot2txt.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /*- * Copyright (c) 2001 Nik Clayton * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPO= SE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTI= AL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRI= CT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. */ #ifndef lint static const char rcsid[] =3D "$Id: shot2png.c,v 1.2 2001/05/18 15:01:11 nik Exp $"; #endif /* not lint */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define MAGIC "SCRSHOT_" #define VERSION 1 int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int mx, my; /* Maxmimum X and Y images positions */ int cx; /* Current X and Y images positions */ int curChar; /* Current character to render */ char header[BUFSIZ]; /* Buffer for header components */ =09 /* * Read the SCRSHOT_ header, confirm the version, and read the image * dimensions. */ if(fread(header, sizeof(unsigned char), 8, stdin) !=3D 8) err(1, "fread() header bytes"); if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); header[0] =3D getc(stdin); if(header[0] !=3D VERSION) fprintf(stderr, "Expecting version %d, read %d\n", VERSION, header[0]); header[0] =3D getc(stdin); if(header[0] =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF when reading header length"); if(header[0] < 2) err(1, "Header length is less than 2 ('%d')", header[0]); =09 mx =3D getc(stdin); header[0]--; if(mx =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF when reading image width"); getc(stdin); header[0]--; if(my =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF when reading image height"); =09 /* * Don't know what to do with any other data in the header, * so skip it. */ while(header[0]-- !=3D 0) getc(stdin); =09 /* * Read from STDIN, rendering on to the image */ cx =3D 0; while((curChar =3D getchar()) !=3D EOF) { getchar(); /* Skip the attribute byte */ =09 putchar(curChar); =09 /* New line? */ if(++cx >=3D mx) { cx =3D 0; putchar('\n'); } } exit(0); } --K8nIJk4ghYZn606h-- --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsFXoIACgkQk6gHZCw343UuhACeP0zq06dz5L8pYbSt0buoyejt bqwAoId6b8YmNm5PEwV+yDAOTnoDGuTL =uC82 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CblX+4bnyfN0pR09-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 11: 7: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (chfdns01.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE6437B422; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:07:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.39 2001/05/18 00:47:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id SAA09425; Fri, 18 May 2001 18:06:59 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id LAA18164; Fri, 18 May 2001 11:06:58 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id OAA02787; Fri, 18 May 2001 14:06:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:06:58 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It's easy enough to create a > meta-port, if necessary. > > ports/graphics/shot2gif/ OK. > I'm in two minds about doing that. We might end up needing translation > tables for each font set (Russian, Chinese, and so on), which might be > overkill. Simpler just to faithfully reproduce the ASCII codes that > were on the user's screen, and assume that the reader has the right font > set loaded. Hmmmm. Well what about the ASCII line-draw characters. I'm thinking that at least those should be morphed over into ----- + etc. If I "cat" one of the screen dumps to my VTY it "looks just fine" of course, but if I bring it into Emacs or look at it over a vt100 terminal it looks like Borg. I'm not saying go crazy with the full character translation, but at least the ASCII line draw stuff spewed out by /stand/sysinstall. I can try to tinker with it this weekend. Please let me know if you want me to or if you will continue to look at it. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 14:55:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C4B37B43E; Fri, 18 May 2001 14:55:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4ILlSA14382; Fri, 18 May 2001 22:47:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:47:28 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds~ Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RpqchZ26BWispMcB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com>; from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:06:58AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --RpqchZ26BWispMcB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt" Content-Disposition: inline --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:06:58AM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: >=20 > [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > >=20 > > 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It's easy enough to create a > > meta-port, if necessary. > >=20 > > ports/graphics/shot2gif/ >=20 > OK. D'oh. shot2png. > > I'm in two minds about doing that. We might end up needing translation > > tables for each font set (Russian, Chinese, and so on), which might be > > overkill. Simpler just to faithfully reproduce the ASCII codes that > > were on the user's screen, and assume that the reader has the right font > > set loaded. >=20 > Hmmmm. Well what about the ASCII line-draw characters. I'm thinking that = at > least those should be morphed over into ----- + etc. If I "cat" one of the > screen dumps to my VTY it "looks just fine" of course, but if I bring it = into > Emacs or look at it over a vt100 terminal it looks like Borg. >=20 > I'm not saying go crazy with the full character translation, but at least= the > ASCII line draw stuff spewed out by /stand/sysinstall. Sounds reasonable. Try the attached, which is controlled by the "-l" flag. I've also included a dump of sysinstall's startup screen -- try running shot2.scr through shot2png and the attached shot2txt, with and without the -l flag. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ieNMXl1Fr3cevapt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="shot2txt.c" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable /*- * Copyright (c) 2001 Nik Clayton * All rights reserved. * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE AUTHOR AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' AND * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPO= SE * ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTI= AL * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRI= CT * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. */ #ifndef lint static const char rcsid[] =3D "$Id: shot2png.c,v 1.2 2001/05/18 15:01:11 nik Exp $"; #endif /* not lint */ #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #include #define MAGIC "SCRSHOT_" #define VERSION 1 int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { int mx, my; /* Maxmimum X and Y images positions */ int cx; /* Current X and Y images positions */ int curChar; /* Current character to render */ char header[BUFSIZ]; /* Buffer for header components */ int fake_line =3D 0; /* Fake the line drawing characters? */ int ch; /* Argument option code */ =09 /* * Option processing */ while ((ch =3D getopt(argc, argv, "l")) !=3D -1) switch (ch) { case 'l': fake_line =3D 1; break; } =20 argc -=3D optind; argv +=3D optind; =09 /* * Read the SCRSHOT_ header, confirm the version, and read the image * dimensions. */ if(fread(header, sizeof(unsigned char), 8, stdin) !=3D 8) err(1, "fread() header bytes"); if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); header[0] =3D getc(stdin); if(header[0] !=3D VERSION) fprintf(stderr, "Expecting version %d, read %d\n", VERSION, header[0]); header[0] =3D getc(stdin); if(header[0] =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF when reading header length"); if(header[0] < 2) err(1, "Header length is less than 2 ('%d')", header[0]); =09 mx =3D getc(stdin); header[0]--; if(mx =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF when reading image width"); getc(stdin); header[0]--; if(my =3D=3D EOF) err(1, "Received EOF 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(envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4IMYin15250; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:34:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:34:44 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010518233444.D1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:47:28PM +0100 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 10:47:28PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Sounds reasonable. Try the attached, which is controlled by the "-l" > flag. I've also included a dump of sysinstall's startup screen -- try > running shot2.scr through shot2png and the attached shot2txt, with and > without the -l flag. I liked it so much, I ported it :-) ports/textproc/shot2txt N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsFogcACgkQk6gHZCw343VBogCffpsMjkk2hZfBlP6Ypn40VyrB 2vwAnR0Bk/5kle8d/zSy0ahw58vmjSmD =fsGr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UBnjLfzoMQYIXCvq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 16: 5:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (chfdns02.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 817FA37B422; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:05:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.39 2001/05/18 00:47:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id XAA17647; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:05:24 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA28240; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:05:23 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id TAA26637; Fri, 18 May 2001 19:05:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:05:23 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > D'oh. shot2png. > > Sounds reasonable. Try the attached, which is controlled by the "-l" > flag. I've also included a dump of sysinstall's startup screen -- try > running shot2.scr through shot2png and the attached shot2txt, with and > without the -l flag. > > N yeah--that looks good Nik! Though, I spotted one foobar in the code. I just saw you created a port so I betcha you already saw this and asynchronously fixed it, but you had: if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); but I belive you meant: if(strcmp(MAGIC, header)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); otherwise, the SCRSHOT_ header is read successfully but we bail incorrectly: dolphin [~]<77>% ./shot2txt < shot2.scr shot2txt: Expecting 'SCRSHOT_', read 'SCRSHOT_': Undefined error: 0 But yeah, your mappings make things look good! -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 16:55:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768E237B424; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4INk6g15865; Sat, 19 May 2001 00:46:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:46:06 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds~ Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UKNXkkdQCYZ6W5l3" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com>; from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 04:05:23PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --UKNXkkdQCYZ6W5l3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 04:05:23PM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: >=20 > [ On Friday, May 18, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > >=20 > > D'oh. shot2png. >=20 > yeah--that looks good Nik! Though, I spotted one foobar in the code. I ju= st > saw you created a port so I betcha you already saw this and asynchronously > fixed it, but you had: >=20 > if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); >=20 > but I belive you meant: >=20 > if(strcmp(MAGIC, header)) > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); >=20 > otherwise, the SCRSHOT_ header is read successfully but we bail incorrect= ly: Eh? strcmp() returns 0 if the strings match, so you have to invert the test (or, better still, write "if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) =3D=3D 0)" which I should have done). > dolphin [~]<77>% ./shot2txt < shot2.scr=20 > shot2txt: Expecting 'SCRSHOT_', read 'SCRSHOT_': Undefined error: 0 I'd expect to see that with your change, not without it. Do you get that problem with the ports? (on the offchance that the ports distfiles haven't appeared on the ftp site yet, you can get them from http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --UKNXkkdQCYZ6W5l3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsFtD0ACgkQk6gHZCw343VuhgCgiYQ4Nv/s7YQkURxyqL1SX/qK daEAn13nrLOs7FzR0d1ysVp875qWMdzx =8XO1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UKNXkkdQCYZ6W5l3-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 16:59:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (chfdns02.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF0B37B42C; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.39 2001/05/18 00:47:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id XAA19806; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:59:30 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA03945; Fri, 18 May 2001 16:59:29 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id TAA01077; Fri, 18 May 2001 19:59:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15109.46945.644428.229884@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:59:29 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Saturday, May 19, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > Eh? strcmp() returns 0 if the strings match, so you have to invert the > test (or, better still, write "if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) == 0)" which I > should have done). > > I'd expect to see that with your change, not without it. Do you get > that problem with the ports? I haven't tried to compile it from the ports (tonight). I thought it was wierd too, but the program died unless I made that change with the shot2.scr file you attached (I looked at it too with 'od' and it does have a "valid header" -- which is the first thing I checked for). > (on the offchance that the ports distfiles haven't appeared on the ftp > site yet, you can get them from http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/). OK. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 17:29:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FEEF37B424; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4J0TnC21349; Fri, 18 May 2001 17:29:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:29:49 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: John Reynolds~ , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010518172949.C14656@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ctP54qlpMx3WjD+/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:46:06AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ctP54qlpMx3WjD+/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:46:06AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 04:05:23PM -0700, John Reynolds~ wrote: > >=20 > > yeah--that looks good Nik! Though, I spotted one foobar in the code. I = just > > saw you created a port so I betcha you already saw this and asynchronou= sly > > fixed it, but you had: > >=20 > > if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) > > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); > >=20 > > but I belive you meant: > >=20 > > if(strcmp(MAGIC, header)) > > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); > >=20 > > otherwise, the SCRSHOT_ header is read successfully but we bail incorre= ctly: >=20 > Eh? strcmp() returns 0 if the strings match, so you have to invert the > test (or, better still, write "if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) =3D=3D 0)" which I > should have done). Correct, but you wrote "if the header is correct, bail". This should probably be: if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) !=3D 0) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); since you're looking for failure to match and style(9) says "Don't use '!' for tests unless it's a boolean." -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --ctP54qlpMx3WjD+/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Bb59XY6L6fI4GtQRAhJcAKDLRYLlFwphbibc/LS7CqbynopH6gCeIHXV AY0tU0jJS2cdVwc0a3Lrkvc= =UX35 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ctP54qlpMx3WjD+/-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 20:30: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BF837B43E for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4J3U1q10766; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A1437B443 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4J3PsF10485; Fri, 18 May 2001 20:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200105190325.f4J3PsF10485@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: reel@sympatico.ca To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/27440: Undocumented option "-l" for reboot(8) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27440 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Undocumented option "-l" for reboot(8) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 18 20:30:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: F�lix-Antoine Paradis >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE >Organization: Idemnia Networks >Environment: FreeBSD idemnia.ath.cx 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon May 14 08:51:49 EDT 2001 reel@idemnia.ath.cx:/usr/src/sys/compile/ZEUS i386 >Description: In the source, and in the manpage of reboot(8), there are no informations on the -l option. This option is used by shutdown when he wants to reboot the system (shutdown -r ...). The usage of the -l option is to tell reboot(8) not to send any informations about the user that wants to reboot to syslogd(8). Just check the code to know more. >How-To-Repeat: man 8 reboot missing the -l option. edit: /usr/src/sbin/reboot/reboot.c line: 85. >Fix: Add informations about the -l options (no logging) and remove the undocumented part in the source file. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri May 18 23:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7742C37B42C for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4J6A1B35443; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8942137B422 for ; Fri, 18 May 2001 23:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tokada@localhost.isi.com) Received: from localhost.isi.com (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4J63ix24610 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 02:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tokada@localhost) by localhost.isi.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4J638J71915; Sat, 19 May 2001 02:03:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tokada) Message-Id: <200105190603.f4J638J71915@localhost.isi.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 02:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: tadayuki@mediaone.net Reply-To: tadayuki@mediaone.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/27446: frexp(3) man page error Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 27446 >Category: docs >Synopsis: frexp(3) man page error >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri May 18 23:10:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tadayuki OKADA >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD photoniii 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #22: Sat May 12 19:00:04 EDT 2001 root@photoniii:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PHOTON i386 >Description: frexp(3) man page says the return value's range is [1/2, 1] or zero. But [1/2, 1] is not correct. It should be [1/2, 1). >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: It seems you can't use macro for this. I don't know what is the best way to fix this. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 0: 0:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com [24.1.255.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C0637B424; Sat, 19 May 2001 00:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: from whale.home-net (whale [192.168.1.2]) by cx587235-a.chnd1.az.home.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4J708n14142; Sat, 19 May 2001 00:00:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) Received: (from jjreynold@localhost) by whale.home-net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4J707b04562; Sat, 19 May 2001 00:00:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jjreynold@home.com) From: John Reynolds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15110.6647.401843.440974@whale.home-net> Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 00:00:07 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree In-Reply-To: <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517122744.B3349@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.88 under Emacs 20.7.1 Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ On Saturday, May 19, Nik Clayton wrote: ] > > Eh? strcmp() returns 0 if the strings match, so you have to invert the > test (or, better still, write "if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) == 0)" which I > should have done). > > I'd expect to see that with your change, not without it. Do you get > that problem with the ports? > As a followup Nik, yes the one in the ports collection is hosed too. if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); strcmp will return '0' if 'header' matches MAGIC. In the case that you're using the right scrshot(1), it will. In all my test cases, it does. So: if(!(0)) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); ! of 0 == true if(true) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); therefore: shot2txt: Expecting 'SCRSHOT_', read 'SCRSHOT_': Undefined error: 0 The following patch fixes it: --- shot2txt.c.orig Fri May 18 23:51:52 2001 +++ shot2txt.c Fri May 18 23:57:58 2001 @@ -72,7 +72,7 @@ if(fread(header, sizeof(unsigned char), 8, stdin) != 8) err(1, "fread() header bytes"); - if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) + if(strcmp(MAGIC, header) != 0) err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); header[0] = getc(stdin); -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= John Reynolds Chandler Capabilities Engineering, CDS, Intel Corporation jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com My opinions are mine, not Intel's. Running jjreynold@home.com FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE. FreeBSD: The Power to Serve. http://www.reynoldsnet.org/ Come join us!!! @ http://www.FreeBSD.org/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 2:35: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp5.port.ru (mx5.port.ru [194.67.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A9537B422 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 02:35:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmdenhome@mail.ru) Received: from ip59.selena.kherson.ua ([193.220.96.59] helo=den) by smtp5.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #12) id 15138Q-000Npi-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 19 May 2001 13:34:55 +0400 Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 12:37:18 +0400 From: Evgeny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.39) Educational Reply-To: Evgeny X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3525.010519@mail.ru> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: sound configuration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 陸� 賈撈� 适戇碌�潼 璞瑯 凜 FreeBSD. � 考罫 吏컨Ｔ堂 遝苟墳炚� "device /dev/dsp not configured" 妗� 憫檎沓� 膽弄텀� 璞瑯�: # artsd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 7:33:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from diep.tpu.ru (diep1.diep.tpu.ru [217.106.123.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00FA37B43C for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@tric.tomsk.gov.ru) Received: from sol [217.106.123.250] by diep.tpu.ru [217.106.123.251] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 22:32:44 +0800 Message-ID: <004001c0e070$ddded0a0$fa7b6ad9@sol> From: "Mike Boev" To: Subject: possible typo @ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/install.html Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:34:10 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0E0B3.D2DC61C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-MDRemoteIP: 217.106.123.250 X-Return-Path: mike@tric.tomsk.gov.ru X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0E0B3.D2DC61C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The very bottom of this page reads WarningThe security profile is not a silver bullet! Setting it high does = not mean you _do have to_ keep up with security issues by reading an = appropriate mailing list, using good passwords and passphrases, and = generally adhering to good security practices. It simply sets up the = desired security to convenience ration out of the box. Perhaps, _don't have to_ was meant instead. Regards,=20 Mike Boev. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0E0B3.D2DC61C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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WarningThe security profile is not a silver bullet! Setting = it high=20 does not mean you _do have to_ keep up with = security=20 issues by reading an appropriate mailing=20 list, using good passwords and passphrases, and generally adhering = to good=20 security practices. It simply sets up the desired security to = convenience ration=20 out of the box.

Perhaps, _don't have = to_=20 was meant instead.

Regards,

Mike Boev.

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C0E0B3.D2DC61C0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 8: 6:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dannyboy.worksforfood.com (adsl-207-68-84-132.chlstn.adsl.bellatlantic.net [207.68.84.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4411037B42C for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 08:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyboy@worksforfood.com) Received: by dannyboy.worksforfood.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 233305A56B; Sat, 19 May 2001 11:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 11:08:18 -0400 From: Daniel Harris To: Mike Boev Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: possible typo @ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/install.html Message-ID: <20010519110818.A44231@dannyboy.worksforfood.com> References: <004001c0e070$ddded0a0$fa7b6ad9@sol> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <004001c0e070$ddded0a0$fa7b6ad9@sol>; from mike@tric.tomsk.gov.ru on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 10:34:10PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 10:34:10PM +0800, Mike Boev wrote: > Perhaps, _don't have to_ was meant instead. Fixed, thanks. -- Daniel Harris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 11:33: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E8A37B43C; Sat, 19 May 2001 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4JIQHN22168; Sat, 19 May 2001 19:26:17 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 19:26:16 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: John Reynolds Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Policy on image source files in the CVS tree Message-ID: <20010519192616.F1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010517113103.A25222@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105180028.f4I0Snn05073@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010518013645.A8358@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.16691.817238.944467@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518184813.B12846@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.25794.690992.994411@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010518224728.C1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15109.43699.126204.944263@hip186.ch.intel.com> <20010519004606.E1757@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <15110.6647.401843.440974@whale.home-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIIRZ1HQ6FgrlPgb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15110.6647.401843.440974@whale.home-net>; from jjreynold@home.com on Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:00:07AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WIIRZ1HQ6FgrlPgb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 12:00:07AM -0700, John Reynolds wrote: > As a followup Nik, yes the one in the ports collection is hosed too. >=20 > if(!strcmp(MAGIC, header)) > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); >=20 > strcmp will return '0' if 'header' matches MAGIC. In the case that you're= using > the right scrshot(1), it will. In all my test cases, it does. So: >=20 > if(!(0)) > err(1, "Expecting '%s', read '%s'", MAGIC, header); This puzzled me, because I never ran in to it. Then I worked out why it happened. 1. fread(header, sizeof(unsigned char), 8, stdin) reads in eight bytes, and does not NULL terminate "header". So the rest of "header" will contain whatever junk was already in memory. 2. I used strcmp() instead of strncmp() to do the comparison. In my=20 case there was non-NULL junk in "header" after the "STRSHOT_" string, so the test failed, but the logic of the test was inverted, so it didn't fail (if you see what I mean). I think I may have been damaged by too much Perl programming in the past few years. v1.1 of shot2{png,txt} will fix this. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --WIIRZ1HQ6FgrlPgb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsGuscACgkQk6gHZCw343WueQCdEHZmPwnGXQTEoTd8g43liMUh a60An3CidX+SkPwoFKVtKg1ZhFZKAikt =qZid -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIIRZ1HQ6FgrlPgb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat May 19 13:43:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC77837B422 for ; Sat, 19 May 2001 13:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 9465 invoked by uid 10); 19 May 2001 20:37:07 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f4JKXLe97503; Sat, 19 May 2001 22:33:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 22:33:21 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq book.sgml Message-ID: <20010519223321.C89987@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Murray Stokely References: <200105190656.f4J6uhY38202@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n/aVsWSeQ4JHkrmm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105190656.f4J6uhY38202@freefall.freebsd.org>; from murray@FreeBSD.org on Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:56:43PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --n/aVsWSeQ4JHkrmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:56:43PM -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > murray 2001/05/18 23:56:42 PDT >=20 > Modified files: > en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq book.sgml=20 > Log: > Add a FAQ entry about how to install a boot manager if another > operating system destroys yours. We already had: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/install.html#WIN95-DA= MAGED-BOOT-MANAGER And now we also have (or will have, after the next rebuild): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#BOO= TMANAGER-RESTORE Do we really need both entries? I do not think so. The old entry in the installation chapter contains more information, the new entry has the better title (it is generic, instead of the old Windows-specific one). The other entry added with this patch (not mentioned in the commit message) is very similar to both install.html#STOP-AT-BOOT-MANAGER and=20 install.html#MISSING-OS. These three entries should be groups together or even joined into a single entry. Just my $0.02. /s/Udo --=20 Ruhig meine Br=FCder im Geiste. M=FC=DFt Ihr Euch an einem Montag morgen gegenseitig so an die Karre pissen?? Habt Ihr denn keine Anwender an denen Ihr Euren Unmut auslassen k=F6nnt??? --n/aVsWSeQ4JHkrmm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQCVAwUBOwbYkUPoh1XnT6hxAQHCrgP9HFlqEserMtLl86teeNAT5p+Qk3vZeSms gg+CuYAoV8Bngh+8X2iwBCdqo8TpgVfPlzwVQ0ozUnzn1HnCgJ4NM2Ep1r9M7Wv8 Q6tZ66y/5r0ZoapjGhKAzvTsy5zSn+uA5iQnwvweKqe4H9+jEa7F6QjIAUy4Mr4P +x87xQ7JEIw= =oCC5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n/aVsWSeQ4JHkrmm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message