From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 10 13:32:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from matavnet.hu (mail.matavnet.hu [195.228.240.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8175237B403 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:32:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nodeinfo@webmail.hu) Received: (qmail 12609 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2001 20:40:30 +0200 Received: from line-172-31.dial.matav.net (HELO norbi) (145.236.172.31) by mail.matavnet.hu with SMTP; 10 Jun 2001 20:40:30 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c0f170$cb4fa700$1facec91@norbi> From: "Node Systems" To: "Recipients" Subject: INGYEN 100 bizonylatos KERESKEDELMI rendszer 2001.06.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:32:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tisztelt C=EDm !=0A= =0DEln=E9z=E9st ha level=FCnkel zavarunk, az =D6n E-mail c=EDm=E9t egy = weblapon l=E9v=F5 hivatkoz=E1sr=F3l szerezt=FCk be.Engedje meg, hogy egy = olyan aj=E1nlatr=F3l t=E1j=E9koztassuk, amely nagyon sokakat =E9rint, = =E9rinthet.=0A= =0DC=E9g=FCnk felismerve a kis =E9s k=F6z=E9pv=E1llalkoz=E1sokra = nehezed=F5 p=E9nz=FCgyi terheket a NodeConto+ kereskedelmi program 100 = BIZONYLATOS verzi=F3j=E1t kiz=E1r=F3lag a SZ=C1MLA MODULLAL INGYEN = rendelkez=E9sre bocs=E1tja.Ez=E1ltal lehet=F5s=E9get ny=FAjtunk arra, = hogy jelent=F5sebb beruh=E1z=E1s n=E9lk=FCl b=E1rki korszer=FB = nyilv=E1ntart=E1sirendszerhez jusson.=0A= =0DA programot a http://web.axelero.hu/nodesys c=EDmr=F5l t=F6ltheti le = =E9s a regisztr=E1l=E1s ut=E1n egy automaikus =E9les=EDt=E9si = visszaigazol=E1s ut=E1n haszn=E1lhat=F3 !=0A= =0DA program =E1ltal=E1nos jellemz=F5i :=0A= =0D Elektronikus k=E9zik=F6nyv =E9s helyzet=E9rz=E9keny HELP=0A= =0D Sz=E1mla =E9s blokknyomtat=E1s=0A= =0D K=E9szlet, foglal=E1s, rendel=E9s, szabadk=E9szlet kezel=E9s = - tetsz=F5leges sz=E1m=FA rakt=E1r !=0A= =0D Vonalk=F3d-nyomtat=E1s !!!=0A= =0D P=E9nzt=E1rg=E9pes illeszt=E9s SAMSUNG 350/700/4615!!!=0A= =0D T=F6bb mint 200 f=E9le be=E1ll=EDt=E1si lehet=F5s=E9g !!!=0A= =0DEgy=E9b tudnival=F3k a programr=F3l :=0A= =0D Mozg=E1snem m=E1trix alap=FA tranzakci=F3 kezel=E9s,=0A= =0D mellyel teljes m=E9rt=E9kben testre szabhatja = v=E1llalkoz=E1s=E1t=0A= =0D K=F6nyvel=E9si adatszolg=E1ltat=E1s, vezet=F5i = inform=E1ci=F3k =0A= =0D Minden lista rendelkezik Excel kimenettel =0A= =0DA program minimum er=F5forr=E1s ig=E9nye :=0A= =0D Windows 95 vagy =FAjabb oper=E1ci=F3s rendszer=0A= =0D Pentium 100 Mhz 32 MB RAM=0A= =0D 2001.06.10 7:46:43=0A= =0DTisztelettel :=0A= =0D Node Systems Kft=0A= =0D nodesys@axelero.hu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 10 16:56:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hermes.dialup.ru (hermes.dialup.ru [194.87.16.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A59137B403; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 16:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@hermes.dialup.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by hermes.dialup.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5ANuoM20760; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:56:50 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:56:50 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: current@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc Message-ID: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please don't commit anything in the areas of subj. until I finish rename to new locale names there. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Jun 10 19: 7:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88537B405; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 19:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5B27Qk04547; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:07:26 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:07:25 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc Message-ID: <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 03:56:50AM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 03:56:50 +0400, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > Please don't commit anything in the areas of subj. until I finish rename > to new locale names there. Done. Feel free to commit. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 1:56:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from admin4.dircon.net (admin4.dircon.net [195.157.2.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834D137B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 01:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tdcmb2@admin4.dircon.net) Received: (from tdcmb2@localhost) by admin4.dircon.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5B8osD99435; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:50:54 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from tdcmb2) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:50:54 +0100 From: Mark Blackman To: Nik Clayton Cc: Jordan Hubbard , bmah@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: RELNOTESng now default in 4-STABLE, *.TXT files removed Message-ID: <20010611095054.A99420@admin4.dircon.net> References: <200106061634.f56GYlA90861@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010606162900G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010608085559.A67099@admin4.dircon.net> <01060915110202.54233@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01060915110202.54233@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 03:11:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Experimented briefly (30 minutes) this weekend and discovered that jadetex will need 'latex' at the bare minimum. On top of that, it will require a few extra latex packages (colortbl etc.), which is presumably why teTeX was an attractive option. It only seems to need these for its own documentation but I might have missed further requirements down the line. However, it should be possibly to load the latex packages as extra dependencies either as independent packages (a la the p5 perl modules) or just like a bunch of little patch files that the 'latex' processor sees via a modified path. I'll first try the latter approach and see how far I get. I have a horrible feeling I going to learn more about jadetex than I really want to. - Mark On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 03:11:02PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 08 June 2001 8:55 am, Mark Blackman wrote: > > Strictly speaking, we do have latex as a separate port which doesn't > > pull in the quite the monstrosities that teTex requires. > > > > In principle, one could either modify the existing jadetex port > > to optionally or exclusively require only latex. I presume jadetex > > doesn't fundamentally require much beyond pdf(la)tex (which is in latex). > > > > Latex is pretty big but not quite unthinkably so. > > > > If this functionality (PDF on release) is considered quite nice > > and nobody else wants to jump on it, I might have a go at converting > > the jadetex port with the assistance of the current maintainer. > > That would be me. I know very, very little about TeX. We use teTeX > because the guy that wrote JadeTeX used it, and provide sufficient > documentation that I was able to get it working with the assistance of many > people. > > Please, if you can reduce the size of the TeX dependency then go ahead and > do so. Unfortunately, I won't be much help. > > N > - -- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjsiLnYACgkQk6gHZCw343XjvACfaFy3bjS/r1tU+vDJrusiTBsz > J+wAnRg9sVVHK2xV+sAvVZJMHBB8lqiu > =B1X+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 5: 5:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6965A37B410; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5BC4gD37628; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:04:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton To: "Andrey A. Chernov" , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:04:42 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> In-Reply-To: <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 11 June 2001 3:07 am, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 03:56:50 +0400, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > > Please don't commit anything in the areas of subj. until I finish > > rename to new locale names there. > > Done. Feel free to commit. Please don't. While I appreciate the sentiment behind your recent commits to doc/, the last time we did a rename like this there was a lengthy discussion prior to the changes, and we did them by repo-copy. You haven't arranged for any repo copies to be done, effectively doubling the size of the doc/ repo, and there was no discussion of this on doc/. Unfortunately, I'm offline for pretty much the next 36 hours or so (speaking at Linux User Group meetings) so I'm not going to be around. Until then, I've frozen the doc/ tree -- this is to prevent any further commits to the new structure, until we can (I'm assuming) back out your changes, and do them by repo-copy. Sorry for the inconvenience this causes. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsks9oACgkQk6gHZCw343XS7ACbBnH0qaUpEdBTPgyZFN86ysvS n3cAn1yPrEgKI0Pf5U0y6hbd5cVPGBDw =3kPM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 5:12:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B10C37B40B; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BCCOY34556; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:12:25 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:12:22 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Nik Clayton Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:04:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 13:04:42 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > While I appreciate the sentiment behind your recent commits to doc/, the > last time we did a rename like this there was a lengthy discussion prior to > the changes, and we did them by repo-copy. 1) Lengthy discussion already happens in -i18n 2) Repo-copy was done by Peter. > You haven't arranged for any repo copies to be done, effectively doubling > the size of the doc/ repo, and there was no discussion of this on doc/. 1) No. Repo-copy happens. Changes in the new files are made because hardcoded ISO_ path in them. 2) This subject is not related to doc/ area control excepting doc/ must follow as soon as possible to minimize overal efforts to handle and maintain names in transition period. > Until then, I've frozen the doc/ tree -- this is to prevent any further > commits to the new structure, until we can (I'm assuming) back out your > changes, and do them by repo-copy. 1) I already finish my changes here and post a note about it. 2) They already done as repo-copy. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 5:40:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wiproecmx1.wipro.com (wiproecmx1.wipro.com [164.164.31.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9185E37B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sumanth.vidyadhara@wipro.com) Received: from ecvwall1.wipro.com (ecvwall1.wipro.com [192.168.181.23]) by wiproecmx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5BMxsj00311; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:59:58 -0500 (GMT) Received: from ecvwall1.wipro.com ([192.168.181.23]) by ecmail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GERN3Z00.OBC; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:08:23 +0530 Received: from sumanth ([192.168.205.201]) by platinum.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GERN4Q00.P5U; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:08:50 +0530 Message-ID: <00ea01c0f274$be0dafb0$c9cda8c0@sumanth> From: "sumanth vidyadhara" To: "Nik Clayton" Cc: , , "Ravindran Chandrasekaran" References: <001501c0ee83$44f6df10$c9cda8c0@sumanth> <20010606173343.D59765@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <022c01c0ef66$55d2e0c0$c9cda8c0@sumanth> <01060918095006.54233@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Subject: Re: Sumanth Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:17:58 +0530 Organization: Wipro Global R&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Thanks i got the developers handbook. Its of great help. Sumanth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nik Clayton" To: "sumanth vidyadhara" ; "Nik Clayton" Cc: ; ; "Ravindran Chandrasekaran" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Sumanth > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 07 June 2001 4:27 pm, sumanth vidyadhara wrote: > > Is the PDF format uploaded . > > It's not on the main FTP site (I'm still building up the new machine > order>) but in the meantime, you can download it as > > http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/book.pdf.gz > > N > - -- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAjsiWF4ACgkQk6gHZCw343VdHwCfTfbjaCKJguo7itvaIcWJparr > MeoAn0Dnww7bwuPxoqdj6zuWU22CI0yi > =iUb5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 5:59:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sg141.sema.es (sg141.sema.es [195.61.21.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8474D37B40F for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 05:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carmen.gallegos@sema.es) Received: from sg141.sema.es ([127.0.0.1]) by sg141.sema.es (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with SMTP id 191 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:51:37 +0200 Received: from 172.18.0.88 by sg141.sema.es (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:51:37 +0200 (Romance Daylight Time) Received: from sema.es ([172.18.109.255]) by sg10.mad.sema.es (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 156 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:01:33 +0200 Message-ID: <3B24BF71.4F67730C@sema.es> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:54:09 +0200 From: Carmen Gloria Gallegos X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Where could I find the DOS file fdimage.exe, that I don't have in my Windows NT PC, and that I need in order to "image copy" the files kern.flp and mfsroot.flp? Thanks. Bye. ------------------------------------------------------------------ This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of SchlumbergerSema. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 6:20:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gekko.i-clue.de (server.ms-agentur.de [62.153.134.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD1937B405 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so@server.i-clue.de) Received: from i-clue.de (automatix.i-clue.de [192.168.0.112]) by gekko.i-clue.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id PAA24195; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: <3B24C61E.20DC311F@i-clue.de> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:22:38 +0200 From: Christoph Sold Reply-To: so@server.i-clue.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carmen Gloria Gallegos Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question References: <3B24BF71.4F67730C@sema.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Carmen Gloria Gallegos schrieb: > > Hello, > > Where could I find the DOS file fdimage.exe, that I don't have in my > Windows NT PC, and that I need in order to "image copy" the files > kern.flp and mfsroot.flp? Read a step-by-step guide at http://www.de.freebsd.org/handbook/install-guide.html#INSTALL-FLOPPIES (including the download location for fdimage.exe: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/). HTH -Christoph Sold To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 6:37:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mk.bsdclub.org (adsl2003.ea.rim.or.jp [202.247.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04D837B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@mk.bsdclub.org) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (sakura.mk.bsdclub.org [3ffe:505:2022:0:2a0:c9ff:fe20:9aff]) by mail.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.12) with ESMTP/inet6 id f5BDbDL72777; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:37:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (localhost.mk.bsdclub.org [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP/inet id f5BDbCE30451; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:37:12 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) From: Motoyuki Konno X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:37:12 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > > While I appreciate the sentiment behind your recent commits to doc/, the > > last time we did a rename like this there was a lengthy discussion prior to > > the changes, and we did them by repo-copy. > > 1) Lengthy discussion already happens in -i18n > 2) Repo-copy was done by Peter. We discussed in -i18n ML, but you said NOTHING about doc/ tree. > > You haven't arranged for any repo copies to be done, effectively doubling > > the size of the doc/ repo, and there was no discussion of this on doc/. > > 1) No. Repo-copy happens. Changes in the new files are made because > hardcoded ISO_ path in them. > 2) This subject is not related to doc/ area control excepting doc/ must > follow as soon as possible to minimize overal efforts to handle and > maintain names in transition period. doc/ tree is for BOTH -current and -stable. For this moment, 4-stable system does not support the new locale name (ISO8859 etc.). So, your repo-copy and commits broke "make release" on 4-stable system. Please take care of 4-stable system. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno motoyuki@bsdclub.org (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 6:51: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5181237B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BDokG35767; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:50:47 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:50:43 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org>; from motoyuki@bsdclub.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:37:12PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 22:37:12 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > 1) Lengthy discussion already happens in -i18n > > 2) Repo-copy was done by Peter. > > We discussed in -i18n ML, but you said NOTHING about doc/ tree. Renaming is a technical question not related to doc. Having both old and new names mix leads to chaos. > For this moment, 4-stable system does not support the new locale > name (ISO8859 etc.). So, your repo-copy and commits broke > "make release" on 4-stable system. No. Nothing planned to be broken on 4-stable as result of my commit. Apparently you did not test it. If I miss something - tell me exact bug description. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 6:53:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-2.worldonline.es (pop3-2.worldonline.es [212.7.33.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE8B37B403 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:53:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Received: from belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (unknown [212.7.34.10]) by pop3-2.worldonline.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F58D371D; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:31:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct (IDENT:jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct [10.34.0.209]) by belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5BDUBR10162; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:30:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:53:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Jesus Rodriguez X-Sender: jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct To: Carmen Gloria Gallegos Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Carmen Gloria Gallegos wrote: >=20 > > Hello, > >=20 > > Where could I find the DOS file fdimage.exe, that I don't have in my > > Windows NT PC, and that I need in order to "image copy" the files > > kern.flp and mfsroot.flp? >=20 > Hola Carmen, >=20 > Tienes el programa en la siguiente direccion: >=20 > ftp://ftp.es.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/fdimage.exe Sorry for my spanish answer... i thought i was replying to the spanish list. ------------------------------------- Jes=FAs Rodr=EDguez IP Engineering & Security Manager Tiscali / World Online jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com http://www.worldonline.es Tel. + (34) 93-3930800 ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 6:54:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-2.worldonline.es (pop3-2.worldonline.es [212.7.33.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41C837B40A for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 06:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Received: from belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (unknown [212.7.34.10]) by pop3-2.worldonline.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED366D36E0; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:29:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct (IDENT:jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct [10.34.0.209]) by belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5BDRlR10152; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:27:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:51:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Jesus Rodriguez X-Sender: jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct To: Carmen Gloria Gallegos Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <3B24BF71.4F67730C@sema.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Carmen Gloria Gallegos wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Where could I find the DOS file fdimage.exe, that I don't have in my > Windows NT PC, and that I need in order to "image copy" the files > kern.flp and mfsroot.flp? Hola Carmen, Tienes el programa en la siguiente direccion: ftp://ftp.es.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/tools/fdimage.exe Saludos JesusR. ------------------------------------- Jes=FAs Rodr=EDguez IP Engineering & Security Manager Tiscali / World Online jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com http://www.worldonline.es Tel. + (34) 93-3930800 ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 7: 7:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2735837B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BE7Pv36001; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:07:25 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:07:24 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611180723.A35967@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 05:50:43PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 17:50:43 +0400, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 22:37:12 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > > 1) Lengthy discussion already happens in -i18n > > > 2) Repo-copy was done by Peter. > > > > We discussed in -i18n ML, but you said NOTHING about doc/ tree. > > Renaming is a technical question not related to doc. Having both old and > new names mix leads to chaos. To explain more: it is namespace policy applied which not affects doc/ consistance in any way. As you may remember, there was doc/ja one time which was renamed to doc/ja_JP.eucJP and many similar renames happens here. I don't see you suppose that it can breaks -stable in that cases. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 7:15:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A568D37B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f5BEEv619359 ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:14:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA69905 ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:15:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:15:43 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Mark Blackman Cc: Nik Clayton , Jordan Hubbard , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: RELNOTESng now default in 4-STABLE, *.TXT files removed Message-ID: <20010611161543.Q51888@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200106061634.f56GYlA90861@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010606162900G.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <20010608085559.A67099@admin4.dircon.net> <01060915110202.54233@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611095054.A99420@admin4.dircon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611095054.A99420@admin4.dircon.net>; from mark.blackman@netscalibur.co.uk on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:50:54AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Blackman said on Jun 11, 2001 at 09:50:54: > > Experimented briefly (30 minutes) this weekend and discovered that > jadetex will need 'latex' at the bare minimum. On top of that, it will > require a few extra latex packages (colortbl etc.), which is > presumably why teTeX was an attractive option. It only seems to need > these for its own documentation but I might have missed further > requirements down the line. > > However, it should be possibly to load the latex packages as extra > dependencies either as independent packages (a la the p5 perl modules) > or just like a bunch of little patch files that the 'latex' processor > sees via a modified path. > > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 8:55 am, Mark Blackman wrote: > > > Strictly speaking, we do have latex as a separate port which doesn't > > > pull in the quite the monstrosities that teTex requires. > > > > > > In principle, one could either modify the existing jadetex port > > > to optionally or exclusively require only latex. I presume jadetex > > > doesn't fundamentally require much beyond pdf(la)tex (which is in latex). > > > > > > Latex is pretty big but not quite unthinkably so. > > > > > > If this functionality (PDF on release) is considered quite nice > > > and nobody else wants to jump on it, I might have a go at converting > > > the jadetex port with the assistance of the current maintainer. I don't think pdflatex is in the latex port. It is a separate project, bundled with tetex. Of the current ports/print tree, only teTeX seems to include it. /usr/ports/print>grep pdflatex */pkg-plist teTeX/pkg-plist:bin/pdflatex teTeX/pkg-plist:man/man1/pdflatex.1 teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/pdftex/latex/config/pdflatex.ini teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/web2c/pdflatex.fmt teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/web2c/pdflatex.log /usr/ports/print> So one either needs to create a separate pdf(la)tex port, or use ghostview to convert ps (from latex+dvips) to pdf; but the latter is not so efficient. - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 7:28: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1D337B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:27:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BEReG36280; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:27:40 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:27:38 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611182737.A36154@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org>; from motoyuki@bsdclub.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 10:37:12PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 22:37:12 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > Please take care of 4-stable system. For that reason currently I don't touch information about i18n names in localization chapter - a patch needed there notifying that names are different for FreeBSD 5.x - I plan to produce it later and send here for review. I commit to Japanese man.1 page change which applies to -current only, I think it should be backed out if there are -stable manpages, not -current one. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 7:46:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (mailhost2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62A637B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 07:46:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.blackman@netscalibur.co.uk) Received: from localhost.ch.dircon.net (desk99.ch.dircon.net [195.157.3.99]) by mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA76731; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:46:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200106111446.PAA76731@mailhost2.dircon.co.uk> From: "Mark Blackman" To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Mark Blackman , Nik Clayton , Jordan Hubbard , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: RELNOTESng now default in 4-STABLE, *.TXT files removed In-Reply-To: Message from Rahul Siddharthan of "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:15:43 +0200." <20010611161543.Q51888@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:46:16 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somehow I managed to get the impression that pdflatex is part of latex now, but you're right I appear to have been smoking too many herbal cigarettes. Ok, looks like at least a separate port (depending on latex) is in order. Its still going to be big, but more like emacs-big rather than teTeX big (currently 38M+X+libwww+png). This begins to suggest that it would be nice to have a standard hierarchy for installing tex/latex packages. think I'll usurp the teTeX standard. > Mark Blackman said on Jun 11, 2001 at 09:50:54: > > > > Experimented briefly (30 minutes) this weekend and discovered that > > jadetex will need 'latex' at the bare minimum. On top of that, it will > > require a few extra latex packages (colortbl etc.), which is > > presumably why teTeX was an attractive option. It only seems to need > > these for its own documentation but I might have missed further > > requirements down the line. > > > > However, it should be possibly to load the latex packages as extra > > dependencies either as independent packages (a la the p5 perl modules) > > or just like a bunch of little patch files that the 'latex' processor > > sees via a modified path. > > > > > > > > On Friday 08 June 2001 8:55 am, Mark Blackman wrote: > > > > Strictly speaking, we do have latex as a separate port which doesn't > > > > pull in the quite the monstrosities that teTex requires. > > > > > > > > In principle, one could either modify the existing jadetex port > > > > to optionally or exclusively require only latex. I presume jadetex > > > > doesn't fundamentally require much beyond pdf(la)tex (which is in latex > ). > > > > > > > > Latex is pretty big but not quite unthinkably so. > > > > > > > > If this functionality (PDF on release) is considered quite nice > > > > and nobody else wants to jump on it, I might have a go at converting > > > > the jadetex port with the assistance of the current maintainer. > > I don't think pdflatex is in the latex port. It is a separate > project, bundled with tetex. Of the current ports/print tree, only > teTeX seems to include it. > > /usr/ports/print>grep pdflatex */pkg-plist > teTeX/pkg-plist:bin/pdflatex > teTeX/pkg-plist:man/man1/pdflatex.1 > teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/pdftex/latex/config/pdflatex.ini > teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/web2c/pdflatex.fmt > teTeX/pkg-plist:share/texmf/web2c/pdflatex.log > /usr/ports/print> > > So one either needs to create a separate pdf(la)tex port, or use > ghostview to convert ps (from latex+dvips) to pdf; but the latter is > not so efficient. > > - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 8:51:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mk.bsdclub.org (adsl2003.ea.rim.or.jp [202.247.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5C137B401; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@mk.bsdclub.org) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (sakura.mk.bsdclub.org [3ffe:505:2022:0:2a0:c9ff:fe20:9aff]) by mail.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.12) with ESMTP/inet6 id f5BFpWL80329; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:51:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (localhost.mk.bsdclub.org [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP/inet id f5BFpWE30649; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:51:32 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) From: Motoyuki Konno X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:51:32 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 22:37:12 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > > 1) Lengthy discussion already happens in -i18n > > > 2) Repo-copy was done by Peter. > > > > We discussed in -i18n ML, but you said NOTHING about doc/ tree. > > Renaming is a technical question not related to doc. Having both old and > new names mix leads to chaos. Of couce, locale renaming is technical question. I agree with this. But, there's a non-technical problems too. It seems that you've skipped some important procedure. o tell Nik about the change. Nik is responsible for doc/ tree. o discussion about "when" we do repo-copy. To minimize the side effect of the change, prior announcement (at least, to doc@FreeBSD.org) and discussion are very important. o discussion about the need of renaming doc/ and src/ is different. Renaming under doc/ is not "must". > > For this moment, 4-stable system does not support the new locale > > name (ISO8859 etc.). So, your repo-copy and commits broke > > "make release" on 4-stable system. > > No. Nothing planned to be broken on 4-stable as result of my commit. > Apparently you did not test it. If I miss something - tell me exact bug > description. For example, see the definition of "DOC_LANG" in src/release/Makefile. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno motoyuki@bsdclub.org (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 9:16: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0601437B401; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BGFWn38295; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:15:33 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:15:32 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org>; from motoyuki@bsdclub.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 12:51:32AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 00:51:32 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > o tell Nik about the change. > > Nik is responsible for doc/ tree. > > o discussion about "when" we do repo-copy. > > To minimize the side effect of the change, prior announcement > (at least, to doc@FreeBSD.org) and discussion are very important. 1) I post HEADS UP to -doc several hours before the change happens - no one object. 2) Peter does repo-copy as I ask. I have wrong assumption that he coordinates with Nik at this subj. > doc/ and src/ is different. Renaming under doc/ is not "must". All changes of such nature are not "must" - there are always hackarounds exists. The reason for them is to minimize constant efforts and possible confusion. > For example, see the definition of "DOC_LANG" in src/release/Makefile. Did you actually look there? I already fix it for -current and plan to MFC, but stuck in current misunderstanding we discuss. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 9:45:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9535937B409; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BGjN901589; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BGjNA08546; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Andrey A. Chernov" message dated "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:15:32 +0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-192768850P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 09:45:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-192768850P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 00:51:32 +0900, Motoyuki Konno wrote: > > > > o tell Nik about the change. > > > > Nik is responsible for doc/ tree. > > > > o discussion about "when" we do repo-copy. > > > > To minimize the side effect of the change, prior announcement > > (at least, to doc@FreeBSD.org) and discussion are very important. > > 1) I post HEADS UP to -doc several hours before the change happens - no > one object. Let's see. You sent a heads-up to -CURRENT for /usr/src/release/doc and /usr/doc at "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:56:50 +0400". This was the first hint that I would have had that you were going to touch RELNOTESng at all. The commit that renamed RELNOTESng happened about "2001/06/10 18:48:17 PDT". This was, er, let's see, about *two hours* later?!? No wonder no one objected...I bet you were already finished before most people read your heads-up message! Did you realistically think that a two-hour advance notice on a weekend was sufficient? > 2) Peter does repo-copy as I ask. I have wrong assumption that he > coordinates with Nik at this subj. > > > doc/ and src/ is different. Renaming under doc/ is not "must". > > All changes of such nature are not "must" - there are always hackarounds > exists. The reason for them is to minimize constant efforts and > possible confusion. There would have been less confusion if your heads-up had actually been sent with enough advance warning that people would have actually *read* it. > > For example, see the definition of "DOC_LANG" in src/release/Makefile. > > Did you actually look there? I already fix it for -current and plan to > MFC, but stuck in current misunderstanding we discuss. You broke the overnight snapshot build of RELNOTESng for RELENG_4 (jkh just sent me the build failure report). But I see now that you've just MFC-ed something to src/release/Makefile...hope this fixes it. For the record, I'd just like to state my extreme annoyance at this lack of notification. I don't think I'm being overly demanding. It'd have been good enough for me personally if, say, two days ago, you'd sent a message to -doc saying "we're going to re-do some of the I18N stuff, go read -i18n for details". Bruce. PS. And perhaps someone can tell me if these changes are going to get MFC-ed and if so, how RELNOTESng is going to get handled. Remember, it's branched, unlike doc/. --==_Exmh_-192768850P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JPWj2MoxcVugUsMRAocNAKCLHU+U4qBnQ04H+T98beUpBSWsCgCgo7t1 CMgZOs7Bm81m/gHUh3thh1o= =sFaw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-192768850P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 10:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5004A37B40D; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BHGbF02756; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BHI3V10936; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106111718.f5BHI3V10936@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: RELNOTESng broken on 4-STABLE From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-139348210P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:18:03 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-139348210P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi-- Due to some recent, wide-ranging commits made across the doc/ and src/ trees in -CURRENT, it appears that RELNOTESng is now broken for 4-STABLE. RELNOTESng in -CURRENT appears to build correctly. As I'm still trying to understand the changes that were made, I'm not sure what will be required to get this fixed. Ideally, the person person whose commits caused the breakage will be able to fix this soon, but I'll be working on this too. For those of you doing release builds, you'll need to set NODOC=YES temporarily. (Again, this is for 4-STABLE only.) I'd like to ask committers to please hold off on updates to RELNOTESng until this situation has been resolved. (Among other things I'm awaiting the fate of the now-frozen doc/ tree.) Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_-139348210P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JP1L2MoxcVugUsMRAtucAJ0aot11xHfDUxK2T8wU7lZJ/VxZCQCfXN6a KU66Yi10aBwDkmvWOEHX4YE= =vyR9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-139348210P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 10:20:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ADA37B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BHJsR39208; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:19:54 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:19:53 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:45:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:45:23 -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > PDT". This was, er, let's see, about *two hours* later?!? >=20 > No wonder no one objected...I bet you were already finished before most= =20 > people read your heads-up message! Did you realistically think that a=20 > two-hour advance notice on a weekend was sufficient? > There would have been less confusion if your heads-up had actually been= =20 > sent with enough advance warning that people would have actually *read*= =20 > it. I agree, but just imagine that I have assumption that Peter already resolve this issue with Nick (since he do repo copy) and you'll find=20 a reason to not be extra-cautious. > You broke the overnight snapshot build of RELNOTESng for RELENG_4 (jkh=20 > just sent me the build failure report). But I see now that you've just= =20 > MFC-ed something to src/release/Makefile...hope this fixes it. Immediate MFC is against our policy, isn't?=20 Tell me if there any problems appearse. > PS. And perhaps someone can tell me if these changes are going to get=20 > MFC-ed and if so, how RELNOTESng is going to get handled. Remember,=20 > it's branched, unlike doc/. src locale rename changes not be MFC-ed, they are for 5.x branch only. Since RELNOTES branched I left to RELNOTES poeople to decide if they want to follow new names policy or not. --=20 Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBOyT9ueJgpPLZnQjrAQF6vgP9G3whocZdyyadjn586DH5Izau3vvjaQZ2 sCJGOqjVFNqyKkxS40FYSL4uWBgXHhLUxA+rbwNFQxo9rTzDqVh6swEl/X7f1Rga mlh+DGd/g8Hq4fEZoXmT4M0iNnLAw7TQELKJaRlAdmJM1ZbvSqVcAoka+xPbjYsu SjTrndNJ3lE= =YVGI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 10:22:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from belcebu.upc.es (belcebu.upc.es [147.83.2.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F8537B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carlesgo@mat.upc.es) Received: from mat.upc.es (mat.upc.es [147.83.39.3]) by belcebu.upc.es (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10628; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mat.upc.es (maite138 [147.83.39.138]) by mat.upc.es (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA19517; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B24EFFE.37C0A4D@mat.upc.es> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:21:18 +0200 From: Carles =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=F3mez?= Organization: DMAT-UPC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [es] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , "questions@freebsd.org" , paul@freebsd.org, joerg@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Cc: teljpa@mat.upc.es, acalveras@mat.upc.es Subject: Problems in debugging kernel crash dumps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear sirs, I am trying to debug kernel crash dumps with my FreeBSD 3.2 as explained in chapter 23, section 1 from the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/kerneldebug.html. This is because I have added new code to the TCP/IP stack implementation, and my new kernel crashes. I have some problems in trying to debug these kernel crashes and I hope that maybe you could help me (many thanks). What I do is the following: 1.- Configure and create the new kernel (config file is NEWKERNEL) with the "-g" option 1.1.- #cd /sys/i386/conf 1.2.- # /usr/sbin/config -g NEWKERNEL 1.3.- cd ../../compile/NEWKERNEL 1.4.- #make depend 1.5.- #make 1.6.- #cp kernel kernel.debug 1.7.- #strip -g kernel 1.8.- #make install 1.9.- #reboot 2.- After booting the new kernel, I use the "dumpon" command in order to specify which device is going to be used to dump to. First I look for the swap device name, which is /dev/wd0s1b. 2.1.- #cat /etc/fstab 2.2.- #dumpon -v /dev/wd0s1b After that, the following message appears on screen: dumpon: crash dumps to /dev/wd0s1b (0, 131073) Then, I execute the operations that bring the kernel to a crash. Then, the "page fault" message appears on screen. After that, another message appears on screen, which tells that the "dump" operation has finished successfully. After rebooting, your handbook tells that the following steps must be followed: # fsck -p # mount -a -t ufs # savecore -N /kernel.panicked /var/crash # exit I use those commands, but after typing the "savecore -N ...", the following message appears on screen: savecore: /kernel.panicked : nlist: no such file or directory savecore: /kernel.panicked : _time_second not in timelist Well, it seems like the /kernel.panicked file or directory hasn't been created. Obviously, when I run "gdb -k", the following commands have no effect: exec-file /var/crash/kernel.0 core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 Do you have any idea about any mistake I am making, or any command I am not using correctly? Many, many thanks Carles Gomez Montenegro Polytechnic University of Catalonia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 10:24:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE35837B401; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 10:24:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BHO5g39306; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:24:05 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:24:05 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611212405.B39062@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:19:53PM +0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 21:19:53 +0400, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > Since RELNOTES branched I left to RELNOTES people to decide if they > want to follow new names policy or not. I mean, for -stable. --=20 Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBOyT+teJgpPLZnQjrAQGrowQAxnc4VnV2c1luHBB+1VdsDcZr2g0znmW8 utyFwV4x2BF1TVXDRAgf+dNS66L+jOue6IQQ7ykHJteCSm7lrgAQDsvA1DZ4x3EI 7XBSfYbF/oHUiCY+0eVvG8Hc8lr/8Gd1ENFLbKz0knLPfdHks9F2I5MrJJYfxy8l Zs82wtQX56I= =PWxh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5/uDoXvLw7AC5HRs-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 11: 0:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC2037B405 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BI0GK97795 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106111800.f5BI0GK97795@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/01/15] docs/24363 doc lack of explanation o [2001/05/23] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () 4 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver f [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/03] docs/24839 doc fix ether.bridge o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/12] docs/25735 doc error in handbook o [2001/03/15] bin/25837 docs [PATCH] properly document vfc_flags in ge o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/22] docs/26001 doc typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy o [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/03/24] docs/26060 doc No man page for /etc/host.conf o [2001/03/28] docs/26194 doc BSD Family Tree needs updated o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/10] docs/26489 doc incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP o [2001/04/14] docs/26574 doc Incorrect link in individual ports README o [2001/04/18] docs/26692 doc boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in o [2001/04/21] misc/26742 doc misleading information in handbook o [2001/04/25] docs/26861 doc accept(2) manpage documents non-existant o [2001/05/02] docs/27027 doc Update src/share/misc/iso639 o [2001/05/02] docs/27040 doc rc(8) and syscons(4) talk about rc.conf.l o [2001/05/08] docs/27209 doc [PATCH] ascii.7 table rearrangement and u o [2001/05/14] docs/27320 doc excessively vague information in pppoe pa f [2001/05/17] docs/27410 doc On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, o [2001/05/18] docs/27430 doc Addition to the doc/sr_YU/articles tree o [2001/05/23] docs/27599 doc md(4) manpage enhancement o [2001/05/25] docs/27653 doc Updates to send-pr.html to support MIME o [2001/05/26] docs/27654 doc Update to PR 27653 o [2001/05/29] docs/27731 doc Incorrect example code in dev handbook ca o [2001/05/29] docs/27758 doc ptrace(2) man page outdated o [2001/06/02] docs/27833 doc No man page for locate.rc o [2001/06/02] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/06/06] docs/27915 doc man 5 passwd does not properly explain th o [2001/06/06] docs/27921 doc manpage skey(1) should be skey(7) o [2001/06/09] docs/28000 doc adding and changing information in vidcon 70 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 11:43: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B14E37B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BIf4F12443; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BIgRB13547; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:42:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Andrey A. Chernov" message dated "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:19:53 +0400." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-48180898P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 11:42:27 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-48180898P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > > There would have been less confusion if your heads-up had actually been= > =20 > > sent with enough advance warning that people would have actually *read*= > =20 > > it. > > I agree, but just imagine that I have assumption that Peter already > resolve this issue with Nick (since he do repo copy) and you'll find=20 > a reason to not be extra-cautious. Grrrrr...no, I wouldn't find a reason to not be "extra-cautious". But I'm probably not going to convince you of that. > > You broke the overnight snapshot build of RELNOTESng for RELENG_4 (jkh=20 > > just sent me the build failure report). But I see now that you've just= > =20 > > MFC-ed something to src/release/Makefile...hope this fixes it. > > Immediate MFC is against our policy, isn't?=20 So is immediate breakage. > Tell me if there any problems appearse. RELNOTESng is broken for RELENG_4. I would have warned you about the possibility of this, if you'd bothered to ask first. > > PS. And perhaps someone can tell me if these changes are going to get=20 > > MFC-ed and if so, how RELNOTESng is going to get handled. Remember,=20 > > it's branched, unlike doc/. > > src locale rename changes not be MFC-ed, they are for 5.x branch only. > Since RELNOTES branched I left to RELNOTES poeople to decide if they > want to follow new names policy or not. (Bruce starts wondering why he bothered to get a haircut this weekend, because he's starting to pull his hair out now. In chunks.) Arrrrgh. Look, Andrey, *I'm* the person who designed RELNOTESng, and this is the first *I've* heard of it! :-( I'd go on, but I'm remembering a (good) rule about not fighting with other committers in public. I'll invoke this on myself now. It looks like the easiest way out of this will be to follow your new names policy on the RELENG_4 branch (at least for doc/ and src/release/ doc/). This will involve a repo-copy at the least, but I've never seen a repo-copy done for files on a branch. Please *don't* do this. Let *me* first do some *testing* first, and then ask for the repo-copy myself when I'm satisfied that it will work. Also before doing this I want to find out if nik wants to take any other actions for doc/, in case there are changes that might need to be coordinated. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-48180898P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JRET2MoxcVugUsMRAkGNAKDWXi1HJ8bhMph8xPWd/mtm1CBicACgiAbk 9MLt5Jc4m1mwKY63eJuCoV8= =aX4+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-48180898P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 12: 2:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACC437B40A; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:02:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f5BJ2Ej47671; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:02:14 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:02:13 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:42:27AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:42:27 -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > >=20 > > Immediate MFC is against our policy, isn't?=3D20 >=20 > So is immediate breakage. Yes, but fixed. It seems that people forget that every big change means some period to settle down. > RELNOTESng is broken for RELENG_4. I would have warned you about the=20 > possibility of this, if you'd bothered to ask first. How exactly it is broken? I didn't touch a bit of RELNOTES on -stable. > It looks like the easiest way out of this will be to follow your new > names policy on the RELENG_4 branch (at least for doc/ and src/release/ > doc/). This will involve a repo-copy at the least, but I've never seen > a repo-copy done for files on a branch. Please *don't* do this. Let I not understand well what you try to say exactly. The things flow was: 1) Repo-copy for src/release/doc was done by Peter. 2) I apply corresponding rename to -current branch. 3) I have no opinion is it must be done in -stable too or not. Personally I not plan to touch those bits in -stable in any case, so they remain as is and can't be broken as you say unless I miss some technical details you not explain. --=20 Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBOyUVteJgpPLZnQjrAQEADQP/fkfZeVKE3O1G/jAxo0QAah0lbYIIunz9 Ly+cNstcZu3PT8MQVNQqAu+vLgJjRpkulEZ25252Drto9nOyxffVIxHOa2X4Ae55 tV/LlEq/nldr3Mou+4/ch+leULXisbe9/Q8buLERJ3jwkus60joiN+knkA0Jz9IC kw0y7zCFrQI= =Fwj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 12:50:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913F937B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id VAA07055; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:49:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f5BJYbe99452; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:34:37 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:34:37 +0200 From: Joerg Wunsch To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Carles_G=F3mez?= Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" , paul@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org, teljpa@mat.upc.es, acalveras@mat.upc.es Subject: Re: Problems in debugging kernel crash dumps Message-ID: <20010611213437.O94133@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <3B24EFFE.37C0A4D@mat.upc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3B24EFFE.37C0A4D@mat.upc.es>; from carlesgo@mat.upc.es on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 06:21:18PM +0200 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Umm, too many recipients...] As Carles Gómez wrote: > # fsck -p > # mount -a -t ufs > # savecore -N /kernel.panicked /var/crash > # exit > > I use those commands, but after typing the "savecore -N ...", the > following message appears on screen: > > savecore: /kernel.panicked : nlist: no such file or directory > savecore: /kernel.panicked : _time_second not in timelist > > Well, it seems like the /kernel.panicked file or directory hasn't been > created. Sure. This is merely meant to be a meta-name for the kernel that has panicked. In your case, it seems it's actually really /kernel still. Note that if you're enabling crash dump recording in /etc/rc.conf (dumpdev="/dev/wd0s1b" in your case), the rc scripts handle the default savecore case (i. e. saving a core dump for the kernel that has been booted again) by default, so you don't need to type it manually in single-user mode as above. The instructions using the name "kernel.panicked" have been written with the idea in mind that your new kernel panics right away when booting. In that case, it's often only possible to boot an alternate kernel (like kernel.old). That however means that the default savecore logic wouldn't work (since it would try to save a coredump for /kernel.old, but the coredump has actually been made from /kernel, again the names are /examples/ only), so you would have to type it manually. Maybe someone from doc@freebsd.org can clarify the wording a little. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 13:35:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AC037B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BKZe915163; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BKZdU17583; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106112035.f5BKZdU17583@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Andrey A. Chernov" message dated "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:02:13 +0400." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_93530558P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:35:39 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_93530558P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 11:42:27 -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > >=20 > > > Immediate MFC is against our policy, isn't?=3D20 > >=20 > > So is immediate breakage. > > Yes, but fixed. It's still broken. > It seems that people forget that every big change means > some period to settle down. I personally haven't forgotten that. But it seems that people forget that big changes require some advance notice (and testing), to reduce the amount of settling down that is required. As I mentioned in my last message, I would have gladly explained the potential problem to you, if you'd posted a heads-up message with a little advance notice. > > RELNOTESng is broken for RELENG_4. I would have warned you about the=20 > > possibility of this, if you'd bothered to ask first. > > How exactly it is broken? I didn't touch a bit of RELNOTES on -stable. RELNOTESng depends on part of the doc/ tree. Note that doc/ is not branched, but src/release/doc/ is. When you moved parts of the doc/ tree around in -CURRENT, you caused doc/ on -CURRENT to become inconsistent with src/ on 4-STABLE. This broke RELNOTESng on 4-STABLE. What I am saying is that it appears to me that src/release/doc/ on RELENG_4 needs to be changed to reflect the new naming scheme. It is broken now, and will not build, because of inconsistencies in naming language codes between src/ in 4-STABLE and doc/ in -CURRENT. > 3) I have no opinion is it must be done in -stable too or not. Personally > I not plan to touch those bits in -stable in any case, so they remain as > is and can't be broken as you say unless I miss some technical details you > not explain. It's broken. You missed some details. I've tried to explain it as best I can in email. As you can see by the attached output, there is a definite breakage here. Please *don't* try to fix it. Please let *me* figure out a fix and do some testing, as well as coordination with nik and the repo-meisters. Thank you. Bruce. ----- intruder:doc% make DOC_PREFIX=/usr/doc ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1 ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/relnotes ===> en_US.ISO_8859-1/relnotes/alpha /usr/local/bin/openjade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks -V openja de -c /usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/doc/share/sgml/catalo g -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgm l/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/openjade/catalog -c /usr/users/bmah/F reeBSD/RELENG_4/release/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/relnotes/alpha/../../../share/sgml/ catalog -d /usr/users/bmah/FreeBSD/RELENG_4/release/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/relnote s/alpha/../../../en_US.ISO_8859-1/share/sgml/release.dsl -t sgml /usr/users/bmah /FreeBSD/RELENG_4/release/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/relnotes/alpha/article.sgml > art icle.html || (rm -f article.html && false) /usr/local/bin/openjade:E: cannot open "/usr/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/share/sgml/cat alog" (No such file or directory) [ad nauseum] --==_Exmh_93530558P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JSua2MoxcVugUsMRAmA3AKDEOXS+WJgHv5Z/TN2SUsQC/iyQNwCeJk9b giUQlI+luGtXHqqTjKmCcT4= =oa6a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_93530558P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 14:18:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70537B401; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f5BLIAw49875; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:18:11 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:18:08 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010612011807.A49698@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> <200106112035.f5BKZdU17583@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106112035.f5BKZdU17583@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 01:35:39PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 13:35:39 -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: >=20 > RELNOTESng depends on part of the doc/ tree. Note that doc/ is not=20 I understand now. That info you can provide from the beginning to minimize messages exchange. I am open to discuss how to fix it. My suggestions are: MFC RELNOTESng from -current or Fix RELNOTESng affected pathes to new scheme without MFCing or=20 Copy needed parts locally to RELNOTESng to eliminate possibility of this situation in future. or Backing out my doc/ changes. (YES!!! I realy tired of amount of complaints given on this technically simple issue from doc/ people. Nobody can be 100% accurate. Very minor things polishing will be far more good for project than all that "procedure" questions talks. We are all adults. Don't teach other how to behave. If doc/ people prefer to have control and power in favor of technical consistensy, let it be so.) --=20 Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia iQCVAwUBOyU1j+JgpPLZnQjrAQGpeQP/QdwDE7oBMBj97lIJuUGBy/UqsGPR9Xc7 A7izbEplHuEi7wCErIxo0moKUPTgLAuo3xh6T0wHRjJ8VYRx3gfJ9jL25VldI/wk dFQ0iHfr7/6parD8sDF9tMVFAwQE4ACK8+2Bnl712Zt5aijK14J1K8Pr2oEfsTfN ZUCMF8RWigo= =dtvD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 14:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436737B401; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5BLe4910064; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:40:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5BLdwB18592; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106112139.f5BLdwB18592@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010612011807.A49698@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> <200106112035.f5BKZdU17583@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010612011807.A49698@nagual.pp.ru> Comments: In-reply-to "Andrey A. Chernov" message dated "Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:18:08 +0400." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_169985180P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 14:39:58 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_169985180P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm going to respond to exactly one line of your email: > Fix RELNOTESng affected pathes to new scheme without MFCing This is the solution I am favoring, pending some discussion with nik. Please let me deal with it. Thanks. I am deliberately *not* responding to the remainder of this message, because my doing so would most likely not lead to a productive outcome. Bruce. --==_Exmh_169985180P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7JTqu2MoxcVugUsMRAkD7AKD3YpIs3NewGgnc2h7u0sULroLj4ACfZTy+ YphzDozD7R7eJppeZNsqz9o= =2seF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_169985180P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 15:56:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5189637B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 15:56:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5BMu2295366; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:56:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010612011807.A49698@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111842.f5BIgRB13547@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611230213.A47504@nagual.pp.ru> <200106112035.f5BKZdU17583@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010612011807.A49698@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:56:00 -0400 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" , "Bruce A. Mah" From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:18 AM +0400 6/12/01, Andrey A. Chernov wrote: >I understand now. That info you can provide from the beginning >to minimize messages exchange. I am open to discuss how to fix it. I think it is probably best to let Bruce Mah figure out why it has broken, and let him provide the best "immediate fix" for that problem. This is not a good time to start on some larger debate. Just let them fix it. >My suggestions are: > [...] >or > Backing out my doc/ changes. > (YES!!! I realy tired of amount of complaints given on > this technically simple issue from doc/ people. Nobody > can be 100% accurate. People are probably particularly sensitive to this change because it broke freebsd-stable. I realize you were not expecting any affect at all in freebsd-stable, but this area of the system is apparently set up in a way where it is not easy to make changes to "just freebsd-current" without some side-effects for freebsd- stable. Even if the change you MEANT to make is "technically simple", it is just a major hassle if freebsd-stable is broken. The fact that you didn't MEAN to break stable does not actually help anyone. As long as stable remains broken, then they still can not get on with their own work, and they will still be upset with you. It is not that everyone hates the specific change you were making, it is that everyone hates it when freebsd-stable can not be built. (SOME people may not like the specific change, but EVERYONE hates it when freebsd-stable is busted...) It also did not calm people down when you did not understand that they were complaining about freebsd-stable. The more you replied about freebsd-current, the more anxious and upset everyone will become. My hope is that Bruce (or Nik, or someone...) can also come up with a longer-term fix such that changes to RELNOTESng on freebsd-current will not break system builds on freebsd-stable. Since I am pretty useless when it comes to documentation (I am a systems-programmer after all :-), I'll let them worry about the details. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 16:33:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [65.0.135.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C277737B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f5BNX6M74817; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B880390F; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:33:06 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010611233306.9B880390F@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:45:23 -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > PDT". This was, er, let's see, about *two hours* later?!? > >=20 > > No wonder no one objected...I bet you were already finished before most= > =20 > > people read your heads-up message! Did you realistically think that a=20 > > two-hour advance notice on a weekend was sufficient? > > > There would have been less confusion if your heads-up had actually been= > =20 > > sent with enough advance warning that people would have actually *read*= > =20 > > it. > > I agree, but just imagine that I have assumption that Peter already > resolve this issue with Nick (since he do repo copy) and you'll find=20 > a reason to not be extra-cautious. I did the repo copy based on the information I had.. ie: you told me that this had all been discussed and I was left with the distinct impression that this was all settled. If you recall one of my emails on the subject, I asked you to make sure that the switchover in the doc/ tree was coordinated with nik. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 16:45:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2630537B409; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f5BNjcw51935; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:45:38 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 03:45:36 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Peter Wemm Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010612034535.A51868@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611233306.9B880390F@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611233306.9B880390F@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@wemm.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 04:33:06PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 16:33:06 -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > > I did the repo copy based on the information I had.. ie: you told me that > this had all been discussed and I was left with the distinct impression I say there that names change was discussed in i18n > that this was all settled. If you recall one of my emails on the subject, > I asked you to make sure that the switchover in the doc/ tree was > coordinated with nik. You say something like "needs to be coordinated with Nik" quoted with "Done" follows, which I treat like you coordinate this with Nik. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 17: 5:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B0037B405; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94513E0B; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:05:19 -0700 (PDT) To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) In-Reply-To: <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:50:43 +0400" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:05:19 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010612000519.E94513E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm picking a random message out of the thread to reply to, and as much as I hate contributing to a flame-war, this issue has not yet been mentioned. All the bickering about this not being discussed aside, fixing the relnotes isn't going to be the end of the story: the web site is broken. Well, sort of. It builds fine, but not in the right place. The URLs for the doc part of the web site correspond directly to the directories in the repository. E.g., we have URLs like this: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/ With this change, the above turned into: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ (The first URL still exists because the contents of the web site is never actually wiped; normally, it's just installed over.) This breaks *a lot* of links. Not only within the web site, but external links as well. This is, quite franky, unacceptable. Using symbolic links or HTTP redirects to remedy this is unsatisfying. We've had this discussion before, and symlinks are *evil* on web sites (just ask wosch), and HTTP redirects simply don't work for mirrors. At this point, I'd just like to hear what kind of solution you have for the above problem. We already changed most of the URLs some months ago; I don't think anybody wants to do it again. Regards, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org P.S. Some time ago, I heard someone say that any proposed change that creates work for or causes grief for a group of people should be communicated to that group of people *prior* to being enacted. (This isn't an official rule; I saw this on one of the lists.) This cosmetic (yes, I think removing an underscore is more cosmetic than it is technical) change certainly causes work for (e.g., bmah fixing relnotes) and grief for (just look at this thread) some people. It is akin to the /modules -> /boot/kernel switch; it's probably a good thing, but it affects so many people that one shouldn't simply do it on a whim. P.P.S. I apologize in advance if this e-mail offended anybody; that was certainly not my intention. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 17:20: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2628D37B403 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5C0K1n65495; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D3D37B401 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5C0CJA64652; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200106120012.f5C0CJA64652@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:12:19 -0700 (PDT) From: hamilton@pobox.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28085: release notes lie and claim we still support the 3c505 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28085 >Category: docs >Synopsis: release notes lie and claim we still support the 3c505 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jun 11 17:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jon Hamilton >Release: Any post-3.0 >Organization: >Environment: N/A >Description: The release notes continue to claim that the 3c505 is supported (in section 2.2, "Ethernet Controllers": 3Com 3c505 Etherlink/+ yet the commit log: revision 1.30 date: 1998/12/27 12:44:56; author: phk; state: dead; lines: +1 -1 Pre 3.0 branch cleanup casualty #3: 3c505 ethernet support >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Please correct release notes. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 17:21:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mk.bsdclub.org (adsl2073.ea.rim.or.jp [202.247.148.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0051437B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:21:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@mk.bsdclub.org) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (sakura.mk.bsdclub.org [3ffe:505:2022:0:2a0:c9ff:fe20:9aff]) by mail.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.12) with ESMTP/inet6 id f5C0L8L05461; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (localhost.mk.bsdclub.org [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP/inet id f5C0L8E31588; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:21:08 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200106120021.f5C0L8E31588@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Peter Wemm , "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) From: Motoyuki Konno X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611233306.9B880390F@overcee.netplex.com.au> <20010612034535.A51868@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:21:07 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 16:33:06 -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > I did the repo copy based on the information I had.. ie: you told me that > > this had all been discussed and I was left with the distinct impression > > I say there that names change was discussed in i18n doc/ changes was not discussed in i18n at all. I think doc/ repo-copy is too early yet. 5-current still supports old (*.ISO_8859*) locale names. Most of FreeBSD users use -stable branch, which supports ONLY old locale names. On the other hand, doc/ uses new locale name. -stable users will be confused with this situation. So, we have to do at first is to decide whether or not to MFC the locale renaming to 4-stable (and 3-stable). repo-copy should be after MFC. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno motoyuki@bsdclub.org (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 17:47:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from maybe.tellme.com (maybe.tellme.com [209.157.156.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7877D37B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@tellme.com) Received: by maybe.tellme.com (Postfix, from userid 501) id CE46D22E02; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:47:36 -0700 From: Danny Howard To: doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Porter's Handbook ambiguity Message-ID: <20010611174736.D95102@tellme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Note: I am cross-posting -ports and -doc. Please trim your replies as appropriate. ] http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-portlint.html 2.5. Checking your port with portlint Please use portlint to see if your port conforms to our guidelines. The portlint program is part of the ports collection. In particular, you may want to check if the Makefile is in the right shape and the package is named appropriately. Okay, but where is portlint? How do I use it? 0-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> portlint portlint: Command not found. 1-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> make portlint make: don't know how to make portlint. Stop Hrmmm. Also, I asked on -ports about why don't the Perl modules build honoring PREFIX and was told that the ports collection was broken in this regards. I suppose it would be neat if there were someone who grokked this and could bring -doc up to speed. I may qualify in a few weeks once I've burned myself enough times. Thanks, -danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 17:53:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2537B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B972F3E0B; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:53:43 -0700 (PDT) To: Danny Howard Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity In-Reply-To: <20010611174736.D95102@tellme.com>; from dannyman@tellme.com on "Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:47:36 -0700" Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 17:53:43 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010612005343.B972F3E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Danny Howard writes: > [ Note: I am cross-posting -ports and -doc. Please trim your replies as > appropriate. ] > > http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/porting-portlint.html > > 2.5. Checking your port with portlint > > Please use portlint to see if your port conforms to our guidelines. The > portlint program is part of the ports collection. In particular, you may > want to check if the Makefile is in the right shape and the package is > named appropriately. > > Okay, but where is portlint? How do I use it? > > 0-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> portlint > portlint: Command not found. > 1-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> make portlint > make: don't know how to make portlint. Stop "Part of the ports collection" means it's a port. dima@bazooka% make search name=portlint Port: portlint-2.3.2 Path: /usr/ports/devel/portlint Info: A verifier for FreeBSD port directory Maint: mharo@FreeBSD.org Index: devel B-deps: R-deps: dima@bazooka% cd devel/portlint dima@bazooka% make ... > > Hrmmm. > > Also, I asked on -ports about why don't the Perl modules build honoring > PREFIX and was told that the ports collection was broken in this > regards. I suppose it would be neat if there were someone who grokked > this and could bring -doc up to speed. I may qualify in a few weeks > once I've burned myself enough times. > > Thanks, > -danny > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 18: 1:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [64.81.36.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B6237B401 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:01:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB9045BFA; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:01:49 -0700 From: dannyman To: Dima Dorfman Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity Message-ID: <20010611180149.A96271@toldme.com> References: <20010611174736.D95102@tellme.com> <20010612005343.B972F3E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010612005343.B972F3E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 05:53:43PM -0700 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 05:53:43PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Danny Howard writes: > > Please use portlint to see if your port conforms to our guidelines. The > > portlint program is part of the ports collection. In particular, you may > > want to check if the Makefile is in the right shape and the package is > > named appropriately. > > > > Okay, but where is portlint? How do I use it? [...] > "Part of the ports collection" means it's a port. > > dima@bazooka% make search name=portlint > Port: portlint-2.3.2 > Path: /usr/ports/devel/portlint [...] Perhaps this section ought to be reworded. Something like: "Please use the portlint port (devel/portlint) to see if your port conforms to our guidelines. "Part of the ports collection" is easily misinterpreted, or at least it was in my case. Should I send-pr something? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 18:20: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A9B37B407 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5C1K1G73062; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE0837B401 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5C1H0D72813; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200106120117.f5C1H0D72813@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: reel@sympatico.ca To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28086: Typo in a .html file. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28086 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo in a .html file. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Jun 11 18:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Félix-Antoine Paradis >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Unix Consult Technologies >Environment: not need. >Description: Typing error (repetition) in a webpage. >How-To-Repeat: look at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x1177.html >Fix: Here we go with a patch. --- x1177-f.html Mon Jun 11 21:16:27 2001 +++ x1177.html Mon Jun 11 21:15:40 2001 @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ usage. There is also a significant performance loss compared to strcpy when copying a short string into a large buffer since strncpy NUL fills up the the size + "FUNCTION">strncpy NUL fills up the size specified.

In OpenBSD, another memory copy implementation has been >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 18:22:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D70F37B401 for ; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:22:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@openirc.co.uk) Received: from [213.122.75.145] (helo=host213-122-75-145.btinternet.com) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 159ctC-0000QQ-00; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 02:22:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 02:22:19 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew McKay X-Sender: birminghamweb@fluoxetine.openirc.co.uk To: dannyman Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity In-Reply-To: <20010611180149.A96271@toldme.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Perhaps this section ought to be reworded. Something like: "Please use >the portlint port (devel/portlint) to see if your port conforms to our >guidelines. What a splendid idea. Maybe someone should go through the entirety of FreeBSD documentation and replace all instances of ' is in the ports collection' to 'You can install from the ports collection at /usr/ports/bar/. This can be done by typing 'cd /usr/bar/; make install' as the superuser.' Any takers for this exciting and worthwhile project? >"Part of the ports collection" is easily misinterpreted, or at least it >was in my case. I'm not sure I can possibly comment on that. My brain is creating a few relevant words but somehow forming them into a sentence not involving something which could be construed as 'insulting' is just not happening. >Should I send-pr something? I'd recommend developing clue and/or reading section 4 of the handbook first. You *could* send-pr but I suspect that would simply create a competition between committers as to who could close it first and who could provide the most amusing close comment. -- /*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\ | Andrew McKay | Birmingham, England | | | OpenIRC Network Admin | \*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/*\*/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Jun 11 21:15:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mk.bsdclub.org (adsl2073.ea.rim.or.jp [202.247.148.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8A37B403; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 21:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@mk.bsdclub.org) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (sakura.mk.bsdclub.org [3ffe:505:2022:0:2a0:c9ff:fe20:9aff]) by mail.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.12) with ESMTP/inet6 id f5C4FFL15692; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (localhost.mk.bsdclub.org [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP/inet id f5C4FFE31990; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:15:15 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200106120415.f5C4FFE31990@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> To: Dima Dorfman Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) From: Motoyuki Konno X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <20010612000519.E94513E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 13:15:15 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dima Dorfman wrote: > (The first URL still exists because the contents of the web site is > never actually wiped; normally, it's just installed over.) This > breaks *a lot* of links. Not only within the web site, but external > links as well. This is, quite franky, unacceptable. Using symbolic > links or HTTP redirects to remedy this is unsatisfying. We've had > this discussion before, and symlinks are *evil* on web sites (just ask > wosch), and HTTP redirects simply don't work for mirrors. > > At this point, I'd just like to hear what kind of solution you have > for the above problem. We already changed most of the URLs some > months ago; I don't think anybody wants to do it again. Hmm. I think we'd better back out the repo-copy and changes as soon as possible. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno motoyuki@bsdclub.org (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 0:37: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heinz.jollem.com (c104187.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.104.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9542637B407; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ernst@heinz.jollem.com) Received: (from ernst@localhost) by heinz.jollem.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5C7Z3v00811; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:35:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ernst) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:35:03 +0200 From: Ernst de Haan To: Danny Howard Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity Message-ID: <20010612093503.A372@c187104187.telekabel.chello.nl> References: <20010611174736.D95102@tellme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010611174736.D95102@tellme.com>; from dannyman@tellme.com on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 05:47:36PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Okay, but where is portlint? How do I use it? > > 0-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> portlint > portlint: Command not found. > 1-17:37 dannyman@noneedto ~/work/ports/p5-Net-XWhois> make portlint > make: don't know how to make portlint. Stop # whereis portlint See `man whereis'. One handy beast. Ernst -- Ernst de Haan Java Architect Jollem Information Technology "Come to me all who are weary and burdened and I will give you rest" -- Jesus Christ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 8: 2:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A45A37B40C for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5CDPID43313; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:25:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton To: Andrew McKay , dannyman Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:25:15 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061214251500.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 12 June 2001 2:22 am, Andrew McKay wrote: > >"Part of the ports collection" is easily misinterpreted, or at least it > >was in my case. > > I'm not sure I can possibly comment on that. My brain is creating a few > relevant words but somehow forming them into a sentence not involving > something which could be construed as 'insulting' is just not happening. Uncalled for, and not germane to the -doc list. Clearly the documentation as it stands could be very easily clarified, and that is not something we should berate our users for. > >Should I send-pr something? By all means. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsmGD4ACgkQk6gHZCw343UyrwCfYLOf2Q1C6KBOCaokg+EXttpO uCgAoJBJjxR9sYwbThDpkdY3yHhePGe1 =SPs6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 10:55:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9668237B405; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5CHkVD43932; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:46:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton To: doc@Freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org Subject: On the recent -i18n changes Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:46:31 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, Right, I'm back now. Somewhat shattered from the driving (~450 miles in 12 hours), but we did a good presentation at the West Yorkshire Linux User Group, so that's another deposit in my "Spreading the FreeBSD word" karma account. In re the recent commits to the src/ and (in particular doc/) trees as a result of discussions on the -i18n mailing list, I've got a few points to make. Hopefully people won't take these personally, but we can use them to try and ensure that communications breakdowns like this occur less frequently in the future. 1. I should apologise for suggesting that the changes were carried out without a repo copy. A combination of bogons in my local /home/ncvs (note: not the checked out copy, but the repo), plus no advance warning from any of the repo-meisters meant I jumped to conclusions that could have been avoided had I checked on freefall. 2. I don't have a problem with the nature of the changes. I like the CVS trees to remain consistent with one another, and if that entails a bit of renaming now and then, so be it. Those with long memories should recall I spearheaded the original renaming in doc/ a few years ago to keep consistent with /usr/share/locale/. 3. Freezing the doc/ tree was not something I did to try and prevent the ongoing changes. Rather, here were a collection of changes to doc/ which had not been discussed on the -doc list, where the last time changes like this were made (see point #2) we talked about them first for some weeks (May 13th to June 25th, if my mail archives are reliable). I did not want to have the situation where perhaps a mistake had been made, and then commits had happened to the tree -- that would make any fixing that would need to be done unnecessarily complex, as changes would need to be backed out, and then rolled forward as necessary. 4. Communication about this change was significantly sub-optimal. The initial heads up notice was (a) Not very detailed (b) Delivered a few hours before the commits happened, over a weekend. That is not enough time to allow for a response, particularly on a global project like FreeBSD for changes affecting the entirety of the repository. While the change itself might be technically quite simple, the *potential* for breakage is huge, and we should be considering the warnings we put out in e-mail based on this potential for damage, not how technically simple the change is. 5. The changes had clearly not been tested, as shown by the various problems that Bruce and others are seeing. I would have liked to have seen two things happen: 1. When the discussion started on -i18n, a HEADS UP should have been posted to other lists involved (-doc and -current probably), explaining what the topic was, and inviting interested parties to subscribe to -18n for the duration. 2. A detailed HEADS UP, with at least 72 hours notice, detailing the changes that were going to be made, and pointers to the discussion on -18n on the mailing list archives. This should also have included a pointer to a patch that implemented the change. so that interested third parties could try it out. Yes, it's effort to put that together. That's one of the crosses to be borne as a FreeBSD committer. Going forward, what do we do? 1. As far as I can see, we don't need to back out the change in doc/. I haven't yet done a full CVSup and build to test it (cable modem is down, I'm back to dialup, and it won't be fixed until tomorrow). I expect there will be changes to be made to the www/ tree to compensate for this, including changing a few URLs. That's a hurdle I think we can jump with no problems (anyone with differing opinions should chime in now). As far as I'm aware, because the www/ build doesn't remove any old files, all the links on the website still work (correct me if I'm wrong). 2. I don't know about the release-notes section of the tree. As far as I'm concerned, Bruce is the final authority on that chunk -- if the change is causing him problems that will take time to resolve then we should back out the change there, live with the fact that it's inconsistent, and then plan how to remove the inconsistency without introducing world breakage. 3. Unfreeze the doc/ tree. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsmVXcACgkQk6gHZCw343UgmgCeIns7X55b8Y4EEuvZG0LVCnt6 ljcAn3dnqnXBGGkQCmewXXO8e/OPmsrE =sf4o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 11: 4: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C722F37B401; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f5CI3uB62764; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:03:56 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:03:55 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes Message-ID: <20010612220355.A62689@nagual.pp.ru> References: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 06:46:31PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 18:46:31 +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > 1. As far as I can see, we don't need to back out the change in doc/. I > haven't yet done a full CVSup and build to test it (cable modem is > down, I'm back to dialup, and it won't be fixed until tomorrow). Feel free to back them out, if you want. I will not object due to my own reasons I not prefer to concretize. It not means that I treat my changes as wrong ones. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 11:14:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F238237B40B; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from tom@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5CIEB431271; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106121814.f5CIEB431271@freefall.freebsd.org> To: tom@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, tom@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28086: Typo in a .html file. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo in a .html file. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->tom Responsible-Changed-By: tom Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jun 12 11:13:26 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll fix this when the CVS repository is writable again http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28086 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 11:39:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B65B37B403; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.28]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07135; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:33 +0200 Received: by zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1830E14C6C; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 20:39:32 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes Message-ID: <20010612203932.A1806@zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.d> References: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010612220355.A62689@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010612220355.A62689@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 10:03:55PM +0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Andrey A. Chernov (ache@nagual.pp.ru): > > 1. As far as I can see, we don't need to back out the change in doc/. I > > haven't yet done a full CVSup and build to test it (cable modem is > > down, I'm back to dialup, and it won't be fixed until tomorrow). > Feel free to back them out, if you want. I will not object due to my own > reasons I not prefer to concretize. It not means that I treat my changes > as wrong ones. Since they are in now, could they just be kept, please? I support them, given that relnotes and the webpage are fixed in the best manner possible and not in a quick hack. Alex, holy defender of unities -- Recently, on IRC: "FreeBSD sucks big ass because its i18n is just crap" (paraphrased). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 11:50:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27FF37B407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5CIo5C34339; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from news1.macomnet.ru (news1.macomnet.ru [195.128.64.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E7C37B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:41:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maxim@news1.macomnet.ru) Received: (from maxim@localhost) by news1.macomnet.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5CIf0473372; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:41:00 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from maxim) Message-Id: <200106121841.f5CIf0473372@news1.macomnet.ru> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:41:00 +0400 (MSD) From: maxim@macomnet.ru Reply-To: maxim@macomnet.ru To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28104 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 12 11:50:04 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Maxim Konovalov >Release: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE >Description: named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) do not send any signals to named(8), but man pages claim that. >How-To-Repeat: more /usr/sbin/named.reload /usr/sbin/named.restart man 8 ndc more /usr/src/contrib/bind/bin/ndc/ndc.c man 8 named.reload man 8 named.restart >Fix: --- named.reload.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:27 2001 +++ named.reload.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:46 2001 @@ -61,16 +61,10 @@ .Nm @INDOT@named.reload .Nd "cause the name server to synchronize its database" .Sh DESCRIPTION -This command sends a -.Dv SIGHUP -to the running name server. -This -signal is documented in -.Xr named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ . -.Sh BUGS -Does not check to see if the name server is actually running, and could -use a stale PID cache file which may result in the death of an unrelated -process. +This command runs +.Xr ndc +which reloads the running name server. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , -.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ --- named.restart.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:05 2001 +++ named.restart.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:58 2001 @@ -61,20 +61,17 @@ .Nm @INDOT@named.restart .Nd "stop and restart the name server" .Sh DESCRIPTION -This command sends a -.Dv SIGKILL -to the running name server and then -starts a new one with the command line options specified in +This command runs +.Xr ndc +which restarts the running name server with the command line options +specified in .Xr rc.conf 5 . .Sh BUGS -Does not check to see if the name server is actually running, and could -use a stale PID cache file which may result in the death of an unrelated -process. -.Pp Does not wait after killing the old server before starting a new one; since the server could take some time to die and the new one will experience a fatal error if the old one isn't gone by the time it starts, you can be left in a situation where you have no name server at all. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , -.Xr @INDOT@named.reload @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +.Xr @INDOT@named.reload @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 12: 9: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADB937B401; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:08:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5CJ8pU10079; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5CJ8kl33358; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:08:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106121908.f5CJ8kl33358@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes In-Reply-To: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:46:31 +0100." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_355863262P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:08:46 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_355863262P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've said about all I care to say about what *has* happened or what *should* have happened, maybe more than I should have. But now..... > Going forward, what do we do? > > 1. As far as I can see, we don't need to back out the change in doc/. I > haven't yet done a full CVSup and build to test it (cable modem is > down, I'm back to dialup, and it won't be fixed until tomorrow). doc/ looks pretty good, at least as far as being able to build (I just did a full build of the HTML docs). I know little about the web site build, so I can't really comment on that. > 2. I don't know about the release-notes section of the tree. As far as > I'm concerned, Bruce is the final authority on that chunk -- if the > change is causing him problems that will take time to resolve then we > should back out the change there, live with the fact that it's > inconsistent, and then plan how to remove the inconsistency without > introducing world breakage. Basically, I know how to fix RELNOTESng for 4-STABLE, but what the fix *is* will depend on the nature of what other actions are being taken. (RELNOTESng for -CURRENT is OK, as far as I've been able to tell.) So one of two things will happen: 1. If the I18N changes in doc/ get reverted, then there's nothing left for me to do, because the brokenness will get reverted as well. 2. If we keep the I18N changes in doc/, I will need a repo-meister to change some of the tags under src/release/doc, and then I need to patch three files in RELENG_4 (the same three files that ache patched under HEAD). It means that RELENG_4 is going to have a mixture of old-style and new-style locale names, but I don't think this is fatal. Either way I can fix things. So I'm waiting to hear what we're going to do for the rest of doc/ (either by consensus or fiat). At this point, I'm pretty agnostic. Bruce. --==_Exmh_355863262P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7Jmi+2MoxcVugUsMRAnr+AJ9qmJcW6Cf0Pj/YnMVKuBBPK+cHTwCeOnpL kLYj+aFIIHazZ3c7H2SjxFo= =tz7Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_355863262P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 12:43:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dell.dannyland.org (dell.dannyland.org [64.81.36.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDAEC37B401; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:42:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dannyman@toldme.com) Received: by dell.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0130F5BFA; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 12:43:04 -0700 From: dannyman To: Andrew McKay Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Porter's Handbook ambiguity Message-ID: <20010612124304.D99558@toldme.com> References: <01061214251500.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from andy@openirc.co.uk on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:23:57PM +0100 X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 08:23:57PM +0100, Andrew McKay wrote: > I was trying to point out that, whilst clarification is probably possible > in pretty much every page of the documentation, at some point you have to > draw a line on how much hand-holding you give users. This 'problem' was > apparent in the Porter's Handbook. I don't think it's unreasonable to > expect anybody who is intending to use the information in the porter's > handbook (i.e. people intending to make ports) to be able to install a > port from the ports collection with relative ease. After cvsup it was the > first thing I learnt to do in my FreeBSD career. I'm all for encouraging > people to submit ports (and anything else) to the project but shouldn't > they first know how to install ports? Or am I missing something? I have a degree in English Rhetoric, and I have been installing and submitting the occasional port for more than half a decade now. I was confused by the wording. As an experienced user, the text could be phrased more clearly. As an experienced user I hit up the appropriate mailing lists, and I know intend to submit a PR to propose a fix to that section of the manual. It is indeed possible that I was confused because of my experience, as I read "part of the ports system" and "is a port" or "in the ports tree" as two different concepts. Not all of us have dug around in /usr/ports/Mk before and understand "the ports system" as more than the ports in that system. :) > Also, if every instance of ' can be installed from the ports > collection' is changed to some more verbose description of how to acheive > this then a) the documentation becomes bloated (unnecessarily imho) and b) > what's the point of section 4 of the FreeBSD handbook which explains in > depth how to install ports? And where exactly do you pitch the level of > verbosity? Do you include information on how to cvsup ports in case their > local copy is not up to date? I never proposed to clarify every instance. I stated that I had been confused by this single instance, and that things could be better worded. It is now on my head to send the PR. If you want to complain about more ambituous projects, you can undertake them first. Then your bleating will be warranted. Perhaps in "The Porter's Handbook" the distinction between "in the ports system" and "is a port" is more sensitive than in other documentation. -danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 14:12:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.needhams.com (mail.needhams.com [209.63.39.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F40D37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shannon@needhams.com) Received: (qmail 7153 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2001 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from shannon.needhams.com (HELO shannon) (192.168.3.51) by mail.needhams.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 20:25:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c0f384$e0970480$3303a8c0@needhams.com> From: "Shannon Johnson" To: Subject: Search Engine... Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:15:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F34A.33AA4460" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F34A.33AA4460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am currently setting up a web server and am interested in adding = search capabilities to my site. I was hoping to find out what search = engine that FreeBSD.org is using, and why. If you are not able to = provide this information, than could you kindly point me to a few = sources. I am currently looking into htdig, do you know if this is any = good? I greatly appreciate your time and any help that you may be able to = provide. Shannon ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F34A.33AA4460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,
 
I am currently setting up a web server = and am=20 interested in adding search capabilities to my site. I was hoping to = find out=20 what search engine that FreeBSD.org is using, and why. If you are = not able=20 to provide this information, than could you kindly point me to a few = sources. I=20 am currently looking into htdig, do you know if this is any = good?
 
 
I greatly appreciate your = time and any=20 help that you may be able to provide.
 
Shannon
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0F34A.33AA4460-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 14:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from badger.apex.net (badger.apex.net [209.250.48.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4327A37B405 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 14:19:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from donkey@apex.net) Received: (qmail 24036775 invoked by uid 7770); 12 Jun 2001 21:17:57 -0000 Received: from pm3-6-2.apex.net (HELO window) (209.250.41.65) by badger.apex.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2001 21:17:57 -0000 Reply-To: From: "domain: ozonefarm-network key" To: Subject: Hello again folks! Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:25:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am keenly interested in getting the most from my new FreeBSD server. I am quite the newbie to UNIX® type systems but I'm fair at documenting things as I go. From the sub-newbie perspective, I should be able to generate some helpful documentation for new users of FreeBSD®. My 'Is is assumed that I know this' thread, may expand exponentially now that I finally got the operating system running, at least in terminal mode. In case there is any disjuncture about my identity, I can say that I am the co-founder of the budding ozonefarm.org project which I had referred to in earlier e-mails to members of your group: Rick Hamell, Don Croyle, and Nik Clayton. The server I mentioned will eventually be an Apache of some sort, and I'm assumed to know that it can also double as a gateway or router or something like that. I am hope to (by June 30, 2001) build a prototypical 'Home Version' of a web-connected server that can be networked via a crossover cable to a full-bloat Windows® office desktop. Well, we have a long way to go so we'd better get going. Later Charley Quinton http://www.ozonefarm.org AKA: quinobi, piano, plowhorse, tractor, donkey@apex.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 15:23: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5AD37B403; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:22:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4373E0B; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:22:53 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@Freebsd.org, cvs-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes In-Reply-To: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.org on "Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:46:31 +0100" Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 15:22:53 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010612222253.CF4373E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > Going forward, what do we do? > > 1. As far as I can see, we don't need to back out the change in doc/. I > haven't yet done a full CVSup and build to test it (cable modem is > down, I'm back to dialup, and it won't be fixed until tomorrow). > > I expect there will be changes to be made to the www/ tree to > compensate for this, including changing a few URLs. That's a hurdle > I think we can jump with no problems (anyone with differing opinions > should chime in now). As far as I'm aware, because the www/ build > doesn't remove any old files, all the links on the website still work > (correct me if I'm wrong). Right now, all links still work. What's more, with doc/ frozen, they don't point to obsolete files, either. What we have right now is the doc/ tree rendered in two places (I'm using the English translation as an example): http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/ http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/ The first URL is stale; the second isn't. Fortunately, the first URL is also relatively new (couple months), so the amount of links using them should be minimal. I suggest that we keep the second URLs (i.e., don't back out ache's changes), and make symlinks from the first to the second, at least for a whlie (say, another couple months). As far as I can tell, this and relnotes are the only [remaining] problems. Thus, at this point I think we should unfreeze doc/ and add the symlinks (I can do the latter). Bruce (bmah) already said he knew how to fix relnotes if the change is to stay. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 17:30: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EE937B407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D0U3b84864; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106130030.f5D0U3b84864@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28104; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: maxim@macomnet.ru Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:20:57 -0700 maxim@macomnet.ru writes: > --- named.reload.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:27 2001 > +++ named.reload.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:46 2001 > @@ -61,16 +61,10 @@ ... > +This command runs > +.Xr ndc ^^^^^^^^^^ Did you actually look at the output? Did it look right? The .Xr macro takes two arguments, the name and the section of the manual page. It's used correctly in the SEE ALSO section: > .Sh SEE ALSO > .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , > -.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ > +.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , > +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ > > --- named.restart.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:05 2001 > +++ named.restart.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:58 2001 Same applies here. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 21: 4:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E17D37B407; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D44Hh08976; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106130404.f5D44Hh08976@freefall.freebsd.org> To: murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, murray@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/17521: Proposed FAQ on assembly programming Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Proposed FAQ on assembly programming Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->murray Responsible-Changed-By: murray Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Jun 12 21:03:25 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: We now have an assembly language chapter of the Developer's Handbook. I'investigating whether any of this can be added to our existing chapter. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=17521 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 21:27: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519CC37B401; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:26:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D4Qtw13971; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:26:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106130426.f5D4Qtw13971@freefall.freebsd.org> To: antilyrical@spamcop.net, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27410: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: On the book that comes with the 4.2 kit, it talks about the "Novice" install, when it should be "Standard" State-Changed-From-To: feedback->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Tue Jun 12 21:24:46 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: The "Installing FreeBSD" booklet packaged with the BSDi / Wind River FreeBSD 4.2 and FreeBSD 4.3 releases does not contain this error. This PR relates to some unknown publisher's packaging, and is not something that the FreeBSD Project has any control over. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=27410 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 21:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F65A37B409 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D4o0b16013; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from whizkidtech.net (r5.bfm.org [216.127.220.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F10437B407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 21:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D4fbu00542; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:41:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Message-Id: <200106130441.f5D4fbu00542@whizkidtech.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:41:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Reply-To: adam@whizkidtech.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28114: ID a tag Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28114 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ID a tag >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jun 12 21:50:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: G. Adam Stanislav >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 4.3-20010525-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE #0: Fri May 25 12:00:06 GMT 2001 root@usw3.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: Please apply the diff listed below to doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/secure/chapter.sgml I would like to place a reference to it from my x86 chapter of the same handbook. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- chapter.sgml.old Tue Jun 12 23:29:38 2001 +++ chapter.sgml Tue Jun 12 23:31:07 2001 @@ -480,7 +480,8 @@ - Race Conditions + + Race Conditions A race condition is anomalous behavior caused by the unexpected dependence on the relative timing of events. In >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 22: 8: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from oddjob.trewitt.org (adsl-216-102-95-11.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.95.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67DD37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:08:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@trewitt.org) Received: from trewitt.org (g4.trewitt.org [10.0.0.4]) by oddjob.trewitt.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5D583a62682 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:08:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@trewitt.org) Message-ID: <3B26F535.7AEB3678@trewitt.org> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:08:17 -0700 From: Glenn Trewitt Reply-To: glenn@trewitt.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: New port - textproc/htmldoc - convert HTML to PDF/PostScript Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce Mah suggested that I send this to the -doc list, since people here are likely to be interested in such things. I just now submitted the port, and it is PR ports/28115. - Glenn From pkg-descr: This is a port of HTMLDOC, which can: Convert HTML files to PDF or PostScript Generate a table-of-contents for books Generate indexed HTML files Generate files on-the-fly for web applications, from the command-line for batch jobs, or from a GUI for interactive work. HTMLDOC Provides A command-line interface for batch and WWW applications. A graphical interface for interactive work. In my opinion, HTMLDOC is *fast*, compared to the other solutions I've seen. HTMLDOC is available under the GPL. Commercial support is available from the author. WWW: http://www.easysw.com/htmldoc/ - Glenn Trewitt glenn@trewitt.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 22:46:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.186.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035E837B407 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 22:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfg1+@pitt.edu) Received: from pitt.edu ("port 1666"@[136.142.23.60]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01K4P8RDJSDS001I5R@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu> for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:46:11 EST Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 01:54:49 -0400 From: "Pedro F. Giffuni" Subject: A website for third party software in the distribution. To: doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <3B270029.247DEF89@pitt.edu> Organization: University of Pittsburgh MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en,pdf,es-CO Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not sure where this should go, but checking out NetBSD's site I saw this interesting page: http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/software/3rdparty/ I think soething like this would be very useful for us too. enjoy, Pedro. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Jun 12 23:30:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305AF37B401 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D6U3w36398; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:30:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 23:30:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106130630.f5D6U3w36398@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Maxim Konovalov Subject: Re: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Reply-To: Maxim Konovalov Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28104; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Maxim Konovalov To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Subject: Re: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 10:27:16 +0400 (MSD) On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Dima Dorfman wrote: > maxim@macomnet.ru writes: > > --- named.reload.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:27 2001 > > +++ named.reload.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:46 2001 > > @@ -61,16 +61,10 @@ > ... > > +This command runs > > +.Xr ndc > ^^^^^^^^^^ > Did you actually look at the output? Did it look right? The .Xr > macro takes two arguments, the name and the section of the manual > page. It's used correctly in the SEE ALSO section: > > > .Sh SEE ALSO > > .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , > > -.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ > > +.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , > > +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ > > > > --- named.restart.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:05 2001 > > +++ named.restart.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:58 2001 > > Same applies here. How about this one? --- named.reload.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:27 2001 +++ named.reload.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:46 2001 @@ -61,16 +61,10 @@ .Nm @INDOT@named.reload .Nd "cause the name server to synchronize its database" .Sh DESCRIPTION -This command sends a -.Dv SIGHUP -to the running name server. -This -signal is documented in -.Xr named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ . -.Sh BUGS -Does not check to see if the name server is actually running, and could -use a stale PID cache file which may result in the death of an unrelated -process. +This command runs +.Xr ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +which reloads the running name server. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , -.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +.Xr @INDOT@named.restart @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ --- named.restart.8.orig Tue Jun 12 21:32:05 2001 +++ named.restart.8 Tue Jun 12 22:09:58 2001 @@ -61,20 +61,17 @@ .Nm @INDOT@named.restart .Nd "stop and restart the name server" .Sh DESCRIPTION -This command sends a -.Dv SIGKILL -to the running name server and then -starts a new one with the command line options specified in +This command runs +.Xr ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +which restarts the running name server with the command line options +specified in .Xr rc.conf 5 . .Sh BUGS -Does not check to see if the name server is actually running, and could -use a stale PID cache file which may result in the death of an unrelated -process. -.Pp Does not wait after killing the old server before starting a new one; since the server could take some time to die and the new one will experience a fatal error if the old one isn't gone by the time it starts, you can be left in a situation where you have no name server at all. .Sh SEE ALSO .Xr @INDOT@named @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , -.Xr @INDOT@named.reload @SYS_OPS_EXT@ +.Xr @INDOT@named.reload @SYS_OPS_EXT@ , +.Xr @INDOT@ndc @SYS_OPS_EXT@ -- Maxim Konovalov, MAcomnet, Internet-Intranet Dept., system engineer phone: +7 (095) 796-9079, mailto: maxim@macomnet.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 2:17:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (mail-out.chello.nl [213.46.240.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B5037B408; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 02:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org ([62.163.96.180]) by amsmta06-svc.chello.nl (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license f747fce8063b429e7fcd66ee14ce8c58) with ESMTP id <20010613091714.QPDX17459.amsmta06-svc@daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:17:14 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.chronias.ninth-circle.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5D9H3855437; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:17:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:17:03 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Motoyuki Konno , Nik Clayton , current@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP: doc/ tree frozen (was Re: HEADS UP for /usr/src/release/doc & /usr/doc) Message-ID: <20010613111703.G41765@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20010611035650.A20707@nagual.pp.ru> <20010611060725.A4531@nagual.pp.ru> <01061113044201.36820@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010611161221.C34164@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111337.f5BDbCE30451@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611175041.A35687@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111551.f5BFpWE30649@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010611201531.A38114@nagual.pp.ru> <200106111645.f5BGjNA08546@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010611211953.A39062@nagual.pp.ru>; from ache@nagual.pp.ru on Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 09:19:53PM +0400 Organisation: Ninth-Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Crawling out of hiding again] -On [20010611 19:30], Andrey A. Chernov (ache@nagual.pp.ru) wrote: >I agree, but just imagine that I have assumption that Peter already >resolve this issue with Nick (since he do repo copy) and you'll find >a reason to not be extra-cautious. First lesson I learned when playing in the real world is to never assume anything get verification from anyone in writing. Besides, with source repositories one always needs to be cautious, at least in my humble opinion. No critique, just, hopefully, helpful comments. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven/Asmodai asmodai@[wxs.nl|freebsd.org|xmach.org] Documentation nutter/C-rated Coder, finger asmodai@ninth-circle.dnsalias.net http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/developers-handbook/ Conscience is God's presence in man... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 9:31:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0900A37B40A; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5DGV9k03296; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5DGUos42334; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106131630.f5DGUos42334@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Wilko Bulte , Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha support In-Reply-To: <15142.32892.736852.905658@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <3B24B283.F3AE6732@microtecsecurite.com> <15141.34506.42116.225862@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <01061215581501.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <15142.15013.507657.7384@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010612202042.A5507@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15142.32892.736852.905658@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Comments: In-reply-to Andrew Gallatin message dated "Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:50:04 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1615275638P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 09:30:50 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1615275638P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Discussion about the alpha hardware list moved to -doc and -alpha] If memory serves me right, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > If we could get the html rendered HARDWARE.TXT (it is actually named > > different today but never mind) onto the web I would consider that to > > be a good start. dd did some work on trying to integrate RELNOTESng (which includes the content from the old HARDWARE.TXT, for the i386 and alpha) into the Web site build. I don't know what's necessary to finish this, but it's becoming more and more important. wilko, by the way, did a darn fine job in SGML-ifying his already-impressive HARDWARE.TXT file. > > Given that, I can probably crank out some sgml/html to glue things togethe > r. > > Related (somewhat) question: can we handle pictures? Given my new digital > > camera I was thinking of getting shots from the Alphas I have access to > > and integrate those somehow. We can do images in the DocBook documents...the FDP primer says how (SGML Markup->DocBook->Images). RELNOTESng right now doesn't use any images whatsoever, but I don't foresee this being a problem. > I'd love to see the html'ified HARDWARE.TXT on the web. I think > pictures and a cool design would be very neat, if doable. But I think > getting some useful information on the web site sooner rather than > later would be best. If you haven't seen it, it'll look something like this: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/CURRENT/hardware-alpha.html Bruce. PS. As nik pointed out earlier, a lot of people on the -doc team (including myself) aren't all that familiar with the alpha. Concrete suggestions for fixing up the hardware list gratefully accepted (especially for devices that are only supported on the i386 but somehow showed up in the alpha document build). --==_Exmh_-1615275638P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7J5U52MoxcVugUsMRAu3sAJ0QGQwEoPebpcu82xShP7bly1KTTwCfYfjv ++Yv2WtnGyDDg2OK/6rAmZI= =ryyw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1615275638P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 11:19:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A5E37B403; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5DIJc444219; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 11:19:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106131819.f5DIJc444219@freefall.freebsd.org> To: adam@whizkidtech.net, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28114: ID a tag Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ID a tag State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Wed Jun 13 11:19:24 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28114 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 12:50:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC69D37B40A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5DJo2I56487; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2EB37B403 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5DJfvr55673; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200106131941.f5DJfvr55673@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 12:41:57 -0700 (PDT) From: small change to jail (8) man page To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28128: small change to jail(8) man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28128 >Category: docs >Synopsis: small change to jail(8) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jun 13 12:50:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Rob Simmons >Release: 4.3-STABLE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD wumpus 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Fri Jun 8 09:17:41 EDT 2001 root@wumpus:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WUMPUS i386 >Description: The section in the jail(8) man page about making the host "jail friendly" shouldn't tell people to stop using sendmail completely. It should include instructions on forcing sendmail to only answer on the host's IP addresses. The proper way to do this is: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=10.10.10.1, Name=MTA') >How-To-Repeat: man 8 jail >Fix: Add something about this to the man page: DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=10.10.10.1, Name=MTA') >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 14:53:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D1E37B403 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (chern@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5DLr8b44141 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:53:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 14:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee To: Subject: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: I'm helping read over the handbook in order to prep it for its next edition of the printed version. I feel this applies to not only the printed version, but also the handbook as a whole, and any other documentation we have. In reading the first two chapters, I've noticed that a lot of it is very loosely written--especially the second. This occurs throughout the handbook. Does anyone know of a style/grammar/writing guideline document for the doc project? If not, I propose that we come up with one. An example: You may need to prepare some floppy disks. These disks will be used to boot your computer in to the FreeBSD install process. This step is not necessary if you are installing from CD-ROM, and your computer supports booting from the CD-ROM. If you do not meet these requirements then you will need to create some floppies to boot from. (Ch. 2.2.1) Would be a lot more formal if written: The first step to installing FreeBSD is to create the kern and mfsroot floppy disks. These disks will be used to boot the computer into the FreeBSD install process. This step is not necessary if installing from the CD-ROM drive, and the computer supports booting from the CD-ROM. If the computer does not meet these requirements, then it is necessary to create these floppies. Reference to the reader as "you" is informal. Changing this to "One" or "The user" sounds very fitting to me. "Your computer" can be simply stated as "The computer." (not too sure if this sounds too great). Simply changing the form of verbs and slightly rewriting a sentence can fix most instances of "You/Your" as shown above. Sometimes it can even be omitted. Many more writing informalities and signs of loose, casual writing are apparent through what I have read so far. This is by no means criticism to the existing writing. The handbook just needs a more professional feel to it. I'm new at technical writing and am trying to put my high school journlism experience into making the handbook quality, print-ready material. Suggestions, please? - Chern Lee chern.lee@windriver.com Wind River Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 15: 9:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E0537B403 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eogren@stanford.edu) Received: from TheEcosystem (eogren.Stanford.EDU [128.12.58.112]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5DM9FH07317; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:09:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Ogren" To: "Chern Lee" , Subject: RE: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:09:15 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Speaking as someone who's contributed a decent amount of stuff to the Handbook (in fact, I'm pretty sure that the passage you quoted was revised by me about a year ago), I don't particularly see a problem with the tone. Admittedly, I'm biased, but I don't really think of the Handbook as a technical, formal document -- I think of it as more of a "Here's how you use FreeBSD." The majority of the chapters are targeted towards more non-technical users, and as such, I think the fact that a lot of the handbook has an informal tone is actually a good thing. I find "You may need to prepare some floppy disks" just a lot nicer to read than "The first step to installing FreeBSD is to create the kern and mfsroot floppy disks." Again, I'm biased, since I much prefer to write informally, but that's my 2 cents. Eric -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chern Lee Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 2:53 PM To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Hi: I'm helping read over the handbook in order to prep it for its next edition of the printed version. I feel this applies to not only the printed version, but also the handbook as a whole, and any other documentation we have. In reading the first two chapters, I've noticed that a lot of it is very loosely written--especially the second. This occurs throughout the handbook. Does anyone know of a style/grammar/writing guideline document for the doc project? If not, I propose that we come up with one. An example: You may need to prepare some floppy disks. These disks will be used to boot your computer in to the FreeBSD install process. This step is not necessary if you are installing from CD-ROM, and your computer supports booting from the CD-ROM. If you do not meet these requirements then you will need to create some floppies to boot from. (Ch. 2.2.1) Would be a lot more formal if written: The first step to installing FreeBSD is to create the kern and mfsroot floppy disks. These disks will be used to boot the computer into the FreeBSD install process. This step is not necessary if installing from the CD-ROM drive, and the computer supports booting from the CD-ROM. If the computer does not meet these requirements, then it is necessary to create these floppies. Reference to the reader as "you" is informal. Changing this to "One" or "The user" sounds very fitting to me. "Your computer" can be simply stated as "The computer." (not too sure if this sounds too great). Simply changing the form of verbs and slightly rewriting a sentence can fix most instances of "You/Your" as shown above. Sometimes it can even be omitted. Many more writing informalities and signs of loose, casual writing are apparent through what I have read so far. This is by no means criticism to the existing writing. The handbook just needs a more professional feel to it. I'm new at technical writing and am trying to put my high school journlism experience into making the handbook quality, print-ready material. Suggestions, please? - Chern Lee chern.lee@windriver.com Wind River Systems, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 15:15:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [216.33.66.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE4537B401 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 15:15:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@elvis.mu.org) Received: by elvis.mu.org (Postfix, from userid 1098) id 4E50581D07; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:15:35 -0500 From: Bill Fumerola To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: handbook index page broken Message-ID: <20010613171535.K37979@elvis.mu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-FEARSOME-20010328 i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | From billf@mu.org Sat Apr 14 00:44:50 2001 | Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:44:50 -0500 | From: Bill Fumerola | To: doc@freebsd.org | Subject: broken porter's handbook | Message-ID: <20010414004450.Q75584@elvis.mu.org> | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | Content-Disposition: inline | User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i | X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-FEARSOME-20010328 i386 | Status: RO | Content-Length: 264 | Lines: 15 | | doc guys, | | there seems to be a little deja-vu in: | http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/ | | can we get this fixed before the release? | | thanks, | | -- | Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. | - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org well now the porters-handbook is fixed and the regular handbook is fucked in the same way. look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html scroll to the bottom. see that footer appears right in the middle of the page (and again at the bottom!) and that a large chunk of the index (19 through 22) is missing. someone please fix this. -- Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 16: 2:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C875B37B407 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:02:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5DN2X145129; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:02:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Eric Ogren Subject: RE: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Chern Lee Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Jun-01 Eric Ogren wrote: > Speaking as someone who's contributed a decent amount of stuff to the > Handbook (in fact, I'm pretty sure that the passage you quoted was revised > by me about a year ago), I don't particularly see a problem with the tone. > Admittedly, I'm biased, but I don't really think of the Handbook as a > technical, formal document -- I think of it as more of a "Here's how you use > FreeBSD." The majority of the chapters are targeted towards more > non-technical users, and as such, I think the fact that a lot of the > handbook has an informal tone is actually a good thing. I find "You may need > to prepare some floppy disks" just a lot nicer to read than "The first step > to installing FreeBSD is to create the kern and mfsroot floppy disks." > Again, I'm biased, since I much prefer to write informally, but that's my 2 > cents. Recall that the Handbook is formally published as an actual book that will hopefuly be put on the shelf at your local bookstore. With that in mind, using formal English is quite appropriate. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 16:16:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C862137B401; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5DNEaF05726; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5DNG2365398; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Baldwin Cc: Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to John Baldwin message dated "Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:02:40 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1254653842P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:16:02 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1254653842P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > Recall that the Handbook is formally published as an actual book that will > hopefuly be put on the shelf at your local bookstore. With that in mind, usi > ng > formal English is quite appropriate. Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, but that's the translation into contemporary geek-speak.) Bruce. --==_Exmh_1254653842P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7J/Qy2MoxcVugUsMRAgkLAKD0nQtT6XBgX7c9HmMYJ02WRm4xNgCg+8Ou hdSe4JoJUt7VQthpbhg2dMI= =Efje -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1254653842P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 16:18:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3558337B403; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5DNIm145423; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: "Bruce A. Mah" Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Eric Ogren Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Jun-01 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Recall that the Handbook is formally published as an actual book that will >> hopefuly be put on the shelf at your local bookstore. With that in mind, >> usi >> ng >> formal English is quite appropriate. > > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my > technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something > of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, > but that's the translation into contemporary geek-speak.) Do you want the Handbook at Barnes & Noble next to other high class books or not? :) I'm tired of having The Complete FreeBSD as the only FreeBSD book on the bookshelf. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 16:37:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE2437B407 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:37:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5DNbG833364; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:37:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton To: Chern Lee , Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:37:16 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 13 June 2001 10:53 pm, Chern Lee wrote: > I'm helping read over the handbook in order to prep it for its next > edition of the printed version. > > I feel this applies to not only the printed version, but also the > handbook as a whole, and any other documentation we have. > > In reading the first two chapters, I've noticed that a lot of it is very > loosely written--especially the second. This occurs throughout the > handbook. True. This is because of the large number of contributors. Before this develops into a huge thread about style guides and such, I've got a couple of questions. 1. How many of the buyers / reviewers of the Handbook said that they didn't like the tone. vs. 2. How many of the buyers / reviewers said that they really, *really* wanted to see a decent index? We can invest a lot of time in coming up with a style guide. And unless someone volunteers to review every single doc commit for style, I can guarantee that it won't be strictly followed. We'd need a Bruce Evans for doc/, basically[1]. If WRS is going to make this someone's paid job then it's a different matter -- but I think that's the sort of commitment it will take to make this work. > Does anyone know of a style/grammar/writing guideline document for the > doc project? The closest thing we have to a style guide is http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/writing-style.html It could certainly use some additions. But I fear that the big problem will be sticking to the guidelines (particularly as, the longer they become, the more likely it is someone will think "Blow me, I'm not reading that just so I can contribute some documentation")[2] Having said all that, I'm not in any way against the development of more formal guidelines. I just don't think they'll be the panacea they might be expected to be, and we could be focussing our limited energies on efforts that will be more useful to the readers (like, for example, an index). N [1] Bruce, bde@freebsd.org, seems to have limitless amounts of time to read every single commit to FreeBSD, and an encyclopedic knowledge of C and the preferred FreeBSD coding style. Many is the commit to the src/ tree that starts "Brucify this code". [2] I am aware of the irony in re this statement and the size of the rest of the primer. . . - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsn+SwACgkQk6gHZCw343W3LgCeOy+dtsQb2syWC+lVrmqePuVX TQAAoI5tu4hp2e5Dsrw06jWdaa7DS7AE =rTGn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 16:58:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFC337B408; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f5DNw7146058; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:07 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: John Baldwin , Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: <20010613165807.A45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:16:02PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:16:02PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my > technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something > of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, Read through the handbook and then read through any other printed technical publication. There is a huge difference and it becomes apparent very quickly that the Handbook is nowhere near being ready for shelf-exposure. We're not talking about minor grammatical nits here (as your professor was), we're talking about very major ones. We even have people who are willing to do the work of going through each chapter and cleaning up the structure. We just need to come up with some ground rules and guidelines about this sort of thing. I am really shocked that there is any resistance to this since I've heard so many grumbles about the very problem we're trying to fix. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 17: 6:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4BF337B438; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@meow.osd.bsdi.com) Received: (from murray@localhost) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f5E06HH46312; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:06:17 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: <20010613170617.B45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0100 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > 1. How many of the buyers / reviewers of the Handbook said that they > didn't like the tone. > > vs. > > 2. How many of the buyers / reviewers said that they really, *really* > wanted to see a decent index? I don't see them as a trade off, but as two seperate issues that both need to be addressed before a second edition can be published. > expected to be, and we could be focussing our limited energies on efforts > that will be more useful to the readers (like, for example, an index). Speaking of an index Nik, do you mind committing one of our patches to doc.docbook.mk? I believe that yours is more elegant and correct but they both work, and I'd like to see something in the tree that allows us to move forward on the indexing front. Are you in favor of adding index entries into the Handbook in the style that I added them to developers-handbook/secure? - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 17:19: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D44237B407; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F653E0B; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.org on "Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:37:16 +0100" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:19:02 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010614001902.C8F653E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Picking a rather random message to reply to. ] I think the important thing here is for the Handbook, and preferable for the rest of the doc/ tree, is to be *consistent*. There's nothing wrong with a personal tone; I think the problem is that right now we have a mix of tones. Personally, I'd prefer a more formal tone; I have a habit of using one, sometimes even in personal communications such as e-mail. I also removed all instances of the pronoun "I" except where properly attributed; those were really ugly :-). Nik Clayton writes: > On Wednesday 13 June 2001 10:53 pm, Chern Lee wrote: > > I'm helping read over the handbook in order to prep it for its next > > edition of the printed version. > > > > I feel this applies to not only the printed version, but also the > > handbook as a whole, and any other documentation we have. > > > > In reading the first two chapters, I've noticed that a lot of it is very > > loosely written--especially the second. This occurs throughout the > > handbook. > > True. This is because of the large number of contributors. Right. I'd also like to take this time to point out that if we do write a style, it will have all the problems of style(9) and some of its own. The biggest problem with style(9) is that quite a few people don't agree with it; this would be even more the case with English, which isn't as structured as C is. Moreover, it isn't possible to write a style for English, because everybody writes differently; such is English I think what would be nice is to have a general policy of using a formal tone, and enforce it as much as feasible. For this to really work we'd have to fix all the "breakage" in the current documents, because inconsistent tone is worse than personal tone, IMO. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 17:55:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC78E37B403; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:55:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5E0rRF18301; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5E0t1F66094; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106140055.f5E0t1F66094@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , John Baldwin , Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <20010613165807.A45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010613165807.A45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Comments: In-reply-to Murray Stokely message dated "Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:58:07 -0700." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1261844152P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:55:01 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1261844152P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:16:02PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my > > technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something > > of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, > > Read through the handbook and then read through any other printed > technical publication. There is a huge difference and it becomes > apparent very quickly that the Handbook is nowhere near being ready > for shelf-exposure. We're not talking about minor grammatical nits > here (as your professor was), we're talking about very major ones. My issue was with style, not grammatical, structural, or factual problems. The latter conditions should be fixed. > We even have people who are willing to do the work of going through > each chapter and cleaning up the structure. We just need to come up > with some ground rules and guidelines about this sort of thing. I am > really shocked that there is any resistance to this since I've heard > so many grumbles about the very problem we're trying to fix. I am quite mystified that you and jhb interpreted my (implied) preference for an informal writing style as a lack of concern for the quality of the writing. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1261844152P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE7KAtk2MoxcVugUsMRArY+AKDQQTDy1IxdsiuspPvD5fNurHk05QCfZ6hv ueh8M8slwJA0BxXIN++OtEI= =Zp+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1261844152P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 19:48: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655C037B405; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 19:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: from holly.calldei.com ([208.191.149.190]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0GEW00M7AFMS86@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:44:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f5E2lrZ09502; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:47:53 -0500 (CDT envelope-from chris) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:47:52 -0500 From: Chris Costello Subject: Re: FreeBSD Monthly Development Status Report, June 2001 In-reply-to: <20010614024036.2B39F3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 07:40:36PM -0700 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chris@calldei.com Message-id: <20010613214752.C5865@holly.calldei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010614024036.2B39F3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Adding -doc because this applies to the doc project now] On Wednesday, June 13, 2001, Dima Dorfman wrote: > If this ends up being the case (i.e., there's an issue approx. once a > month), how about archiving them on the web site? We used to have a > "newsletter", but it quickly grew stale. This sounds like something > developers actually might be interested in (there's no glory in > writing something if nobody knows about it ;-) ), so it has a much > better chance of succeeding. > > I don't know if it's worth putting the first issue up not knowing if > there will be more; anybody else have an opinion on this? I'm thinking perhaps it should be made into part of the doc project. I'm in the middle of converting it into a DocBook article and will post a URL to it soon. -- +-------------------+------------------------------------+ | Chris Costello | Where the system is concerned, | | chris@calldei.com | you are not allowed to ask "Why?". | +-------------------+------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 20:56:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E1E37B401 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:55:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8823E0B; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:55:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Bill Fumerola Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook index page broken In-Reply-To: <20010613171535.K37979@elvis.mu.org>; from billf@mu.org on "Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:15:35 -0500" Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:55:55 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010614035555.6C8823E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Fumerola writes: > > | From billf@mu.org Sat Apr 14 00:44:50 2001 > | Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:44:50 -0500 > | From: Bill Fumerola > | To: doc@freebsd.org > | Subject: broken porter's handbook > | Message-ID: <20010414004450.Q75584@elvis.mu.org> > | Mime-Version: 1.0 > | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > | Content-Disposition: inline > | User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i > | X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-FEARSOME-20010328 i386 > | Status: RO > | Content-Length: 264 > | Lines: 15 > | > | doc guys, > | > | there seems to be a little deja-vu in: > | http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/ > | > | can we get this fixed before the release? > | > | thanks, > | > | -- > | Bill Fumerola - security yahoo / Yahoo! inc. > | - fumerola@yahoo-inc.com / billf@FreeBSD.org > > well now the porters-handbook is fixed and the regular handbook > is fucked in the same way. > > look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > > scroll to the bottom. see that footer appears right in the middle of > the page (and again at the bottom!) and that a large chunk of the index > (19 through 22) is missing. > > someone please fix this. That's not as easy as you may think. This only happens on freefall, and it doesn't always happen. When it does happen, the output isn't exactly the same; i.e., it's always broken slightly differently. I've looked at the output before, and it really looks like there are two processes or threads or something writing to the same file; that's the only way I can explain it. At first I suspected that the web build scripts use make -j, but this isn't the case. I have seen multiple 'jade' (the SGML renderer) processes running simultaneously on freefall, though; perhaps the build script is being started twice? It's a long shot, but that *could* be the potential culprit. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 21:29:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81F737B405; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5E4TF931395; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106140429.f5E4TF931395@freefall.freebsd.org> To: maxim@macomnet.ru, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28104: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] man pages for named.reload(8) and named.restart(8) are incorrect State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jun 13 21:28:50 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jun 13 21:28:50 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28104 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 22:20:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7537B401 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5E5K5T39694; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106140520.f5E5K5T39694@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman Subject: Re: docs/28128: small change to jail(8) man page Reply-To: Dima Dorfman Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28128; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman To: small change to jail man page (8) Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28128: small change to jail(8) man page Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:11:27 -0700 small change to jail (8) man page writes: > >Description: > The section in the jail(8) man page about making the host "jail friendly" > shouldn't tell people to stop using sendmail completely. It should > include instructions on forcing sendmail to only answer on the host's IP > addresses. The proper way to do this is: > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=10.10.10.1, Name=MTA') What about Postfix? Or qmail? Or NewMTAOfTheMonth? Even though sendmail(8) is in the base system, I think it's enough that the man page says that it is possible to make sendmail listen on a sepecfic address; and it does reference the sendmail(8) manual page. I think this is sufficient. The configuration intricacies of the MTA are beyond the scope of jail(8). All IMO, of course. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org > >How-To-Repeat: > man 8 jail > >Fix: > Add something about this to the man page: > DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Addr=10.10.10.1, Name=MTA') > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 22:29:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9D137B509; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5E5TVw40695; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106140529.f5E5TVw40695@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hamilton@pobox.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28085: release notes lie and claim we still support the 3c505 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: release notes lie and claim we still support the 3c505 State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Jun 13 22:29:14 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jun 13 22:29:14 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28085 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 23:31:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E834237B401; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:31:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh12.bfm.org [216.127.220.205]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010614011937.00ec26c0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:19:37 -0500 To: John Baldwin , "Bruce A. Mah" From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Cc: Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Eric Ogren In-Reply-To: References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:18 13-06-2001 -0700, John Baldwin wrote: >Do you want the Handbook at Barnes & Noble next to other high class books or >not? :) I'm tired of having The Complete FreeBSD as the only FreeBSD book on >the bookshelf. Do you want people to take it off that shelf and read it? I'm tired of formal documentation I cannot understand. It is much easier to understand an informal text than a formal and completely impersonal treatise. Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Jun 13 23:32: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FDF37B405 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2001 23:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh12.bfm.org [216.127.220.205]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:35:36 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010614013121.00eb5100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:31:21 -0500 To: Chern Lee , From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:53 13-06-2001 -0700, Chern Lee wrote: >Reference to the reader as "you" is informal. Changing this to "One" or >"The user" sounds very fitting to me. Ouch! No, please no! >Suggestions, please? Forget what you learned in high school and take a Writer's Digest course! :) Seriously, much of the technical literature is so formal because it is written by people with no formal training in being a good writer. I once read a fantastic article on non-fiction writing in Writer's Digest which took some section from the New Testament, and rewrote it using the style of so many technical writers. Hahaha, did it ever kill the message! A handbook is of no use if it puts you to sleep in the first paragraph. Grab their attention, make them feel you are a personal friend who is trying to help them, and, by golly, make sure they understand what you are trying to teach them. The best technical writing reads like a novel! Cheers, Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 1: 7:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (ns.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98AF637B409; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 01:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ns2.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA86804; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:07:04 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5E873W94562; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:07:03 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:07:03 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Chris Costello Cc: Dima Dorfman , rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Monthly Development Status Report, June 2001 Message-ID: <20010614110703.A91909@ark.cris.net> References: <20010614024036.2B39F3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010613214752.C5865@holly.calldei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010613214752.C5865@holly.calldei.com>; from chris@calldei.com on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:47:52PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 09:47:52PM -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > > If this ends up being the case (i.e., there's an issue approx. once a > > month), how about archiving them on the web site? We used to have a > > "newsletter", but it quickly grew stale. This sounds like something > > developers actually might be interested in (there's no glory in > > writing something if nobody knows about it ;-) ), so it has a much > > better chance of succeeding. > > > > I don't know if it's worth putting the first issue up not knowing if > > there will be more; anybody else have an opinion on this? > > I'm thinking perhaps it should be made into part of the doc > project. I'm in the middle of converting it into a DocBook > article and will post a URL to it soon. Why ? We already have http://www.freebsd.org/projects/index.html. May be it's better to go with formalizing this page rather than adding new one ? ps: But I think it can be good idea to put sgml'ified copy of this report (and others) to web site, like we had Really Quick Newsletter for some time. Any takers ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 3:49:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4A237B401; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 03:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f5EAmQY05899; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:48:26 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20010614204826.31675@caamora.com.au> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 20:48:26 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: John Baldwin , "Bruce A. Mah" , Chern Lee , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Eric Ogren Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <3.0.6.32.20010614011937.00ec26c0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010614011937.00ec26c0@mail85.pair.com>; from G. Adam Stanislav on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:19:37AM -0500 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:19:37AM -0500, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > At 16:18 13-06-2001 -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > >Do you want the Handbook at Barnes & Noble next to other high class books or > >not? :) I'm tired of having The Complete FreeBSD as the only FreeBSD book on > >the bookshelf. > > Do you want people to take it off that shelf and read it? I'm tired > of formal documentation I cannot understand. > > It is much easier to understand an informal text than a formal and > completely impersonal treatise. it is one thing to have bad 'formal' text as it is to have bad 'personal' text styles. but, it is much easier to read badly written "personal style" than even mildly poorly written 'formal style'. at the moment it is much better to have understandable, usable documentation ... while it would be very very good to have well written 'formal style' i sincerly doubt that i might come from an american controlled authoring system. i've been reading computer related text for some 30 years now and to this point have found that the british publishers have far easier to read product, it seems to matter not wither its formal style or not. lately o'rielly and assoc have picked up the baton and are starting to produce well written and usable books, wiley and sons have always been a 'buy unseen' source for me, for unix material. as with all things, the rules one espouses are only as valid as teh exceptions to those 'rules'. personally, i would prefer to see understandable and readible books with a very low load of topic technical errors style comes a distant third or lowwer in this totem. with regards and thanks jonathan -- ================================================================ Jonathan Michaels http://repair.oneday.soon PO Box 144, Rosebery, NSW 1445 suffering construction anxiety ============================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 4:48:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D74E37B403; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:48:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f5EBlv600283 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:47:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id NAA17610 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:48:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:48:49 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: John Baldwin , Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: <20010614134849.E13153@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:16:02PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce A. Mah said on Jun 13, 2001 at 16:16:02: > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Recall that the Handbook is formally published as an actual book that will > > hopefuly be put on the shelf at your local bookstore. With that in mind, usi > > ng > > formal English is quite appropriate. > > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my > technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something > of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, > but that's the translation into contemporary geek-speak.) No formalese, please. It's not even appropriate, except perhaps for bureaucrats and lawyers. I know, from reading academic papers, that when papers are in excessively formal language, it's for only two possible reasons. (1) the authors don't know better (and are often not native English speakers anyway). (2) The authors deliberately want to obfuscate their work because it's all pretty trivial. When the aim is to genuinely communicate information, the more informal the language, the better. (It should be *grammatical*, yes, but that's different.) If you think formal language is important to get books onto bookshelves, try "The Feynman Lectures in Physics" which is on every physicist's bookshelf, pretty much, and every single academic bookstore that I've ever seen. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 4:59:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cartman.techsupport.co.uk (cabletel1.cableol.net [194.168.3.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5615C37B405; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ceri@techsupport.co.uk) Received: from ceri by cartman.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15AVnN-0004DC-00; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:00:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:00:17 +0100 From: Ceri To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: John Baldwin , Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: <20010614130017.C28006@cartman.techsupport.co.uk> References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010614134849.E13153@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010614134849.E13153@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:48:49PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 01:48:49PM +0200, Rahul Siddharthan said: > Bruce A. Mah said on Jun 13, 2001 at 16:16:02: > > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > > Recall that the Handbook is formally published as an actual book that will > > > hopefuly be put on the shelf at your local bookstore. With that in mind, usi > > > ng > > > formal English is quite appropriate. > > > > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. > > If you think formal language is important to get books onto > bookshelves, try "The Feynman Lectures in Physics" which is on every > physicist's bookshelf, pretty much, and every single academic > bookstore that I've ever seen. May I also suggest Programming Perl as an example of the informal style's accomplishments. Ceri -- We've tried this God stuff long enough. It's time for a change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 5:14:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFB437B401; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f5ECDw604053 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:13:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA18730 ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 14:14:50 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Murray Stokely Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , John Baldwin , Eric Ogren , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Message-ID: <20010614141450.G13153@lpt.ens.fr> References: <200106132316.f5DNG2365398@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010613165807.A45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010613165807.A45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:58:07PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Murray Stokely said on Jun 13, 2001 at 16:58:07: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2001 at 04:16:02PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > Appropriate, yes, but not required, IMHO. I seem to remember from my > > technical writing class in college that this could be (is?) something > > of a religious issue. (Well, that's not what the instructor called it, > > Read through the handbook and then read through any other printed > technical publication. There is a huge difference and it becomes > apparent very quickly that the Handbook is nowhere near being ready > for shelf-exposure. We're not talking about minor grammatical nits > here (as your professor was), we're talking about very major ones. Bad grammar should be corrected. Saying "you" and "your computer" need not be. I vastly prefer the existing paragraph which Chern Lee quotes to his modified one. At the same time, for a publication quality book, I agree that the overall "look and feel" should be consistent: it will look strange if one paragraph is chatty and the next is stiff and starchy. But I think this is better fixed by one person, or two or three people, going through the whole thing pre-publication, rather than by imposing a "style guide" on everybody. And I'd vote for a chatty "look and feel" myself, over a stiff and starchy one. - Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 5:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B0737B414 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5ECo1x14859; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C2637B408 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5EClVW14680; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200106141247.f5EClVW14680@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Thierry Herbelot To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28143: the Hz kernel config option is not documented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28143 >Category: docs >Synopsis: the Hz kernel config option is not documented >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jun 14 05:50:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Thierry Herbelot >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-Release >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD pc-bsd60.XXX 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #11: Tue Apr 24 19:14:23 CEST 2001 herbelot@pc-bsd60.XXXX:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/station i386 >Description: The Hz kernel config option is referenced in the ipfw(8) man page (typically 10ms, but it is a good practice to run kernels with ``options HZ=1000'' to reduce the granularity to 1ms or less) but is nowhere to be seen in the usual kernel config help file (aka LINT) or in a man page (and neither in the handbook). I am using HZ=5000 in some (around 100) PCs here, with no ill effects. As this feature is a great win for xxBSD (for example for real-time systems), it should be documented. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Add a doc line in the LINT config file: ----------------------------- options HZ=1000 # set the system clock to 1000 Hz # (values above above 5000Hz should not be used) ----------------------------- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 5:54:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFE837B405; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5ECsJG15325; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 05:54:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106141254.f5ECsJG15325@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, asmodai@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28143: the Hz kernel config option is not documented Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: the Hz kernel config option is not documented Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->asmodai Responsible-Changed-By: ru Responsible-Changed-When: Thu Jun 14 05:53:08 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Jeroen's commit to sys_i386_conf/NOTES,v 1.760 could be MFC'ed. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28143 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 6:50:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC0A37B403 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5EDo1R77122; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from smg.borderware.com (gateway.borderware.com [207.236.65.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636537B401 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmw@funk.borderware.com) Message-Id: <20010614134240.B3F9A5D3C@funk.borderware.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: bmw@borderware.com Reply-To: bmw@borderware.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28144: no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in other manpages Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28144 >Category: docs >Synopsis: no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in other manpages >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jun 14 06:50:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bruce Walker >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: BorderWare Technologies Inc. >Environment: System: FreeBSD funk.borderware.com 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Sat Apr 21 10:54:49 GMT 2001 jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: There is no manpage for /etc/host.conf There are no cross-references in the See Also sections of other appropriate manpages, eg: resolver(5), gethostbyname(3), hosts(5). >How-To-Repeat: man host.conf >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 7:22:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F218D37B401; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5EEMmN31233; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106141422.f5EEMmN31233@freefall.freebsd.org> To: bmw@borderware.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28144: no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in other manpages Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: no manpage for host.conf, no xrefs in other manpages State-Changed-From-To: open->suspended State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 14 07:13:03 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: 5.0-CURRENT runs much more powerful nsswitch.conf(5) support. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28144 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 7:58:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F33B37B401; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ru@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5EEwdD35760; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 07:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200106141458.f5EEwdD35760@freefall.freebsd.org> To: opentrax@email.com, ru@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26060: No man page for /etc/host.conf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: No man page for /etc/host.conf State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: ru State-Changed-When: Thu Jun 14 07:56:25 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Superseded by PR docs/28144. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26060 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 8: 5:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from o-o.org (o-o.org [216.90.196.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1BA37B403 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaila@o-o.org) Received: from localhost (kaila@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by o-o.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA96260; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:05:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kaila@o-o.org) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:05:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Kaila To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: kaila@o-o.org Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: <20010614141450.G13153@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would like to suggest these two books as useful in discussing this topic: "The Elements Of Style" (ISBN: 020530902X) by William Strunk Jr. and E.B. White. (A much older version, by William Strunk Jr. exclusively may be found ) (online at http://www.bartleby.com/141/index.html ) "On Writing Well" (ISBN: 0062735233) by William Zinsser [ Name : Christine F. Maxwell ] [ ICQ : #45010616 ] [ EMail : cfm@o-o.org ] [ IRC : Kaila ] [ Home : http://www.cfm.o-o.org/ ] [ BBS : http://www.aci.o-o.org ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 8:17:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC19737B403; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:17:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.28]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07787; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:17:45 +0200 Received: by zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C9DF714AF3; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:17:44 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:17:44 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes Message-ID: <20010614171744.A2946@zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.d> References: <01061218463104.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010612222253.CF4373E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010612222253.CF4373E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 03:22:53PM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Dima Dorfman (dima@unixfreak.org): > don't back out ache's changes), and make symlinks from the first to > the second, at least for a whlie (say, another couple months). No, with symlinks all the search engines will pick it up and many people eventually as well. HTTP redirects are my proposal. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 9:19: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D04D37B414 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:18:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DerykBramwell@home.com) Received: from tdbw2k ([24.18.82.56]) by femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010614161843.MUDA17243.femail15.sdc1.sfba.home.com@tdbw2k> for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 09:18:43 -0700 From: "Deryk Bramwell" To: Subject: Downloading the handbook - Newbie question Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 12:20:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0F4CC.56C6F8C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0F4CC.56C6F8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I was able to FTP the stuff I believe to be appropriate for the hand-book - " en_US.ISO_8859-1 ", containing major folders for articles and books. I have it all in a temp directory on a PC running W-2K. I must have missed a READA-ME I guess, as all of the files appear to be TARs etc - which I now recognize to be Unix-based compressed data. Is there a way for me to convert these files to a 'handbook' - or would I do better to dig into your site, and use it as me reference as it is needed. 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Download something like PowerArchiver from www.download.com, which has can handle the .tar.gz format (as can other packages like WinZIP). N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjso7boACgkQk6gHZCw343X9CwCglSOgftr78UMegv3T5m+ueLP4 JUsAn0CGo/DIKb8jB2ErZTP8wWAqSOF2 =pzk7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 10:48:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EAD37B413; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:48:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f5EHm1165020; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:48:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 10:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Chern Lee Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 13-Jun-01 Nik Clayton wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 13 June 2001 10:53 pm, Chern Lee wrote: >> I'm helping read over the handbook in order to prep it for its next >> edition of the printed version. >> >> I feel this applies to not only the printed version, but also the >> handbook as a whole, and any other documentation we have. >> >> In reading the first two chapters, I've noticed that a lot of it is very >> loosely written--especially the second. This occurs throughout the >> handbook. > > True. This is because of the large number of contributors. > > Before this develops into a huge thread about style guides and such, I've > got a couple of questions. > > 1. How many of the buyers / reviewers of the Handbook said that they > didn't like the tone. > > vs. > > 2. How many of the buyers / reviewers said that they really, *really* > wanted to see a decent index? Nik, the first edition of the Handbook was never put out into the channel and put onto bookshelves at Barnes & Noble for a reason. I think we need to make a book that is formal enough to put onto the shelf. :-/ If the book isn't on the shelf, it doesn't matter that it has a spiffy index. I'm not trying to put down anyone's work or anything, but their is a high standard that a printed book needs to meet. > If WRS is going to make this someone's paid job then it's a different > matter -- but I think that's the sort of commitment it will take to make > this work. Chern works fulltime for WRS and has a fair chunk of time available to do this. In fact, as he noted, he is currently reviewing the book in preparation for the printed 2nd edition as part of his job. 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He has the time to make changes, in :short. : As do I. Murray, Chern and I are working to get the handbook ready for a second printed version. We have the time and the ability to make the handbook v2.0 really good, and it will :). What would be nice is if people sent me (or -doc) things that SUCK in the handbook, then I could make a list so Chern and I have some goals to complete. Indexing is being taken care of.. loosly written chapters are being rewritten/updated.. what else do you guys suggest? -val : :John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ :PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc :"Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ : :To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 13:25: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B7437B410; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f5EKOVk09204; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5EKOOd75796; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200106142024.f5EKOOd75796@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4+ 06/08/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Valentino Vaschetto Cc: John Baldwin , Nik Clayton , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, Chern Lee Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to Valentino Vaschetto message dated "Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:00:02 -0700." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1982550245P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:24:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1982550245P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Valentino Vaschetto wrote: > As do I. Murray, Chern and I are working to get the handbook ready for a > second printed version. We have the time and the ability to make the > handbook v2.0 really good, and it will :). I think that's great. Regardless of any differences of opinion we may have about writing style, I know you'll be fixing lots of technical errors, correcting misspellings, and making organizational improvements. This is a Good Thing (TM). > What would be nice is if people sent me (or -doc) things that SUCK in the > handbook, then I could make a list so Chern and I have some goals to > complete. Indexing is being taken care of.. loosly written chapters are > being rewritten/updated.. what else do you guys suggest? The installation chapter needs some work, in two ways. First, it includes a not-very-well-synched version of the hardware compatability list. I'd like to see this refer instead to the hardware lists that come with each release, rather than to try to duplicate the contents. The hardware list is release- and architecture-dependent, which makes keeping the version in the handbook synchronized to the version in the release documentation pretty much impossible. (Even if we were to try to keep it synched to, say, 4-STABLE, it's still a pain to keep it up to date.) Somewhat paradoxically, we could have some better synchronization between the rest of the installation chapter and the corresponding parts of the release documentation (I'm not sure in which direction the synchronization should go). The installation instructions don't change anywhere near as quickly, and it makes sense to have them in both paces. Just a thought..... 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Kat Kotrla ACITS LPR Account Manager ******************************************************** Intellectual Property & Technology Licensing Program The University of Texas at Austin 3925 West Braker Lane, Suite 1.9A MCC Building, (Mail Code R 3500) Austin, TX 78759 web site: http://www.utexas.edu/academic/otl/ --MS_Mac_OE_3075377270_6178607_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ACITS LPR Remote Printing Software REMOVE DIRECT DOWNLOAD LINK!!</TI= TLE> </HEAD> <BODY BGCOLOR=3D"#FFFFFF"> Greetings,<BR> It has come to our attention that a site under your guidance is infringing = upon copyright laws owned by the University of Texas @ Austin. The page in q= uestion is http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/= x146.html . We request that you immediately remove the direct download link = for the ACITS LPR Remote Printing software. <B>Distribution of the software = to unregistered users is a violation of The University's copyright. The Univ= ersity routinely pursues copyright infringement and will seek legal remedy w= here appropriate. <BR> <BR> </B>I thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.<BR> Please send confirmation of your compliance. Thank you.<BR> <B><BR> </B>Kat Kotrla <BR> ACITS LPR Account Manager<BR> ********************************************************<BR> Intellectual Property & Technology Licensing Program<BR> The University of Texas at Austin <BR> 3925 West Braker Lane, Suite 1.9A <BR> MCC Building, (Mail Code R 3500) <BR> Austin, TX  78759 <BR> web site: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>http://www.utexas.edu/academic/otl/<BR> </U></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --MS_Mac_OE_3075377270_6178607_MIME_Part-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 13:51:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (cheviot.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.233.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520F237B405 for <doc@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 13:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sean@shortestpath.org) Received: from random.ncl.ac.uk (postfix@random.ncl.ac.uk [128.240.95.2]) by cheviot3.ncl.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f5EKp6a26059 for <doc@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: by random.ncl.ac.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 83C145587; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by random.ncl.ac.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8B05585 for <doc@FreeBSD.org>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:51:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:51:06 +0100 (BST) From: sean@shortestpath.org X-Sender: sean@random.ncl.ac.uk To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Bad link on handbook page Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0106142149070.20666-100000@random.ncl.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Filter-Version: 2.1 (cheviot3) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html has a bad link. The one in section 18 entitled 'Sample Configurations' links to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mail.htm/A ></DT ><DT >F.2. <A HREF= Just thought I would let you know, -- Sean Kelly <sean@shortestpath.org> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 15:57:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2790537B403; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5601B3E0B; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:57:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> Cc: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On the recent -i18n changes In-Reply-To: <20010614171744.A2946@zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.d>; from alex@big.endian.de on "Thu, 14 Jun 2001 17:17:44 +0200" Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:57:46 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> Message-Id: <20010614225746.5601B3E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ dropping -committers ] Alexander Langer <alex@big.endian.de> writes: > Thus spake Dima Dorfman (dima@unixfreak.org): > > > don't back out ache's changes), and make symlinks from the first to > > the second, at least for a whlie (say, another couple months). > > No, with symlinks all the search engines will pick it up and many > people eventually as well. > > HTTP redirects are my proposal. The problem with HTTP redirects is that they're not compatible with mirrors. We can set up all the redirects on freefall, but how do the mirrors know what we did? It'd be nice if they didn't have to have access to our httpd.conf; also, they may not even be using Apache! And we already have symlinks all over the place (e.g., http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en -> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/) That said, I don't particuarly like symlinks, either. How about making a file, say www/en/REDIRECTS, that lists all the redirects we want to do? Something like this: doc/en -> doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1 -> doc/en_US.ISO8859-1 Then all we need is a collection of scripts to take it and write webserver-specific configuration; these can be run at build or install time. This has the advantage that it isn't webserver-specific, and that the redirects we use are specific in the repository instead of some far-away httpd.conf. Thoughts? Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 16:39: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F5237B403 for <doc@FreeBSD.ORG>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5ENcht53962; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: otl@uts.cc.utexas.edu Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ACITS LPR Remote Printing Software REMOVE DIRECT DOWNLOAD LINK!! In-Reply-To: <200106142035.PAA21488@moe.cc.utexas.edu> References: <200106142035.PAA21488@moe.cc.utexas.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010614163843Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 16:38:43 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard <jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 61 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Kat, This has to be one of the most unusual, to say nothing of misguided, requests we've received in quite some time. You offer a package for download without authentication or any form of access control, yet you go after a site which merely REFERENCES the software in question and does not make it directly available by any other means. Have you lost your minds? Just out of curiousity, I did a couple of net searches and found over 30 other references to your software, not counting the Internet "spiders" who will have already auto-discovered the location of your software and made it available through the almost uncountable number of indices they provide. The page you reference is also an excerpt from a published work from Addison-Wesley and without knowing their sales figures, we can safely postulate that there must be many thousands of copies out there with references to your software. If you do not wish for "unregistered users" to download it then it is incumbent on you to provide some kind of access control which simply does not allow downloads without the proper authentication. To do otherwise is tantamount to leaving your front door open 24x7 and then complaining when people or other undesirable forms of life come in. It truly demonstrates a significant degree of ignorance as to how the Internet works to presume that you can cause this to happen simply by shaking a legal stick at anyone with the temerity to reference an unprotected piece of software up for public access. The problem is on your end and not in the published work we're merely citing on our web site. Regards, - Jordan Hubbard From: "OTL Web Page" <otl@uts.cc.utexas.edu> Subject: ACITS LPR Remote Printing Software REMOVE DIRECT DOWNLOAD LINK!! Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 15:27:50 -0500 > Greetings, > It has come to our attention that a site under your guidance is infringing > upon copyright laws owned by the University of Texas @ Austin. The page in > question is > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/corp-net-guide/x146.html . > We request that you immediately remove the direct download link for the > ACITS LPR Remote Printing software. Distribution of the software to > unregistered users is a violation of The University's copyright. The > University routinely pursues copyright infringement and will seek legal > remedy where appropriate. > > I thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. > Please send confirmation of your compliance. Thank you. > > Kat Kotrla > ACITS LPR Account Manager > ******************************************************** > Intellectual Property & Technology Licensing Program > The University of Texas at Austin > 3925 West Braker Lane, Suite 1.9A > MCC Building, (Mail Code R 3500) > Austin, TX 78759 > web site: http://www.utexas.edu/academic/otl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Jun 14 19:50:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fort.comstar.ru (fort.comstar.ru [195.210.128.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EBFD37B406 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Thu, 14 Jun 2001 19:50:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eurostroy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23792 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2001 02:50:29 -0000 Received: from d136.p6.col.ru (HELO hfdth) (212.248.5.136) by mx.comail.ru with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 02:50:29 -0000 From: Åâðîñòðîé <eurostroy@yahoo.com> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Ïðåäëîæåíèå ïî ÎÒÎÏÈÒÅËÜÍÎÌÓ è ÁÀÑÑÅÉÍÎÌÓ ÎÁÎÐÓÄÎÂÀÍÈÞ äëÿ ÷àñòíîãî è îáùåñòâåííîãî ñåêòîðà. X-Mailer: Mail Bomber Reply-To: eurostroy@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 06:50:44 +0300 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1251 Message-Id: <20010615025031.7EBFD37B406@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Óâàæàåìûå äàìû è ãîñïîäà. Ôèðìà "Åâðîñòðîé", âîñåìü ëåò óñïåøíî ðàáîòàåò íà ðîññèéñêîì ðûíêå, ãîòîâà ïðåäëîæèòü Âàøåìó âíèìàíèþ ïîëíûé êîìïëåêñ óñëóã â îáëàñòè ÏÎÑÒÀÂÊÈ, ÓÑÒÀÍÎÂÊÈ ÎÒÎÏÈÒÅËÜÍÎÃÎ ÎÁÎÐÓÄÎÂÀÍÈß äëÿ Âàøåãî êîòòåäæà òàêèõ èçâåñòíûõ åâðîïåéñêèõ ôèðì ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé êàê: VIESSMANN, WOLF ( ÊÎÒËÛ, ÁÎÉËÅÐÛ èç Ãåðìàíèè), ÐÀÄÈÀÒÎÐÛ KERMI (Ãåðìàíèÿ), SIRA (Èòàëèÿ), ïîëèýòèëåíîâûå òðóáû äëÿ îòîïëåíèÿ è âîäîñíàáæåíèÿ REHAU (Ãåðìàíèÿ), à òàêæå çàêàçàòü ïðîåêòèðîâàíèå è ìîíòàæ ñèñòåì îòîïëåíèÿ, âîäîñíàáæåíèÿ è êàíàëèçàöèè. À òàêæå ó íàñ Âû ñìîæåòå ïðèîáðåñòè îáîðóäîâàíèå äëÿ ÁÀÑÑÅÉÍΠïðåäëàãàåì îáîðóäîâàíèå âåäóùèõ ôèðì ïðîèçâîäèòåëåé DINOTEC, FUTURPOOL, KRULLAND (Ãåðìàíèÿ), PAHLEN (Øâåöèÿ), HAYWARD (Áåëüãèÿ), ASTRAL (Èñïàíèÿ). Íàøè öåíû íå øîêèðóþò. Òåì íå ìåíåå, ìû ãîòîâû ïðåäîñòàâèòü ñòðîèòåëüíûì, ïðîåêòíî-äèçàéíåðñêèì, àðõèòåêòóðíûì ôèðìàì è êîìïàíèÿì, ðàçìåð ñêèäîê íà ÷àñòíûå çàêàçû îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ èíäèâèäóàëüíî. Ìû òàêæå çàèòåðåñîâàíû â ðàçâèòèå äèëåðñêèõ îòíîøåíèé. Ìû âñåãäà ãîòîâû ê ðàçóìíîìó äèàëîãó. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 2:49:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D4D337B401 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 02:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geobert98@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO geobert) (152.66.231.156) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2001 09:48:49 -0000 X-Apparently-From: <geobert98@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3B29D90E.000005.10013@geobert.b28-30 bme hu> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:44:46 +0200 (Közép-Európa - nyári idõ) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_MQTY6RO0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail 2001 (1400181) From: "Berta György" <geobert98@yahoo.com> References: <003401c0f566$ae9a7000$3314000a@gov.veszprem.hu> X-Priority: 3 X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 To: <mailto:Anna.Swelund@nokia.de>, <mailto:Anna.Swelund@nokia.de>, <sanita@infornax.hu>, <schmidt@nfs.jozsef.kando.hu>, <butyke@freemail.hu>, <ojuhasz@larix.efe.hu>, <thundus@freemail.h>, <teknoske@egon.gyaloglo.hu>, <heat@veszprog.hu>, <kme@matavnet.hu>, <aljegyzo@budaors.hu>, <gyalogh_janos@zalavolan.hu>, <kiss_ferenc@zalavolan.hu>, <kamondi_janos@zalavolan.hu>, <sztta2@westel900.net>, <bug-directory@gnu.org>, <evanagy@mail.bdmk.hu>, <ptmarta@mail.bdmk.hu>, <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>, <klarinet@cia.hu>, <mulder1@freemail.hu>, <Marci2000@hotmail.com>, <krisug@fremail.hu>, <jaku@maffia.hu>, <geober@lycos.com>, <georgenetdehero@maffia.hu>, <karamell@lycos.com> Subject: =?iso-8859-2?B?RndkOiBOb2tpYSBrYW1w4W55?= Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------Boundary-00=_MQTY6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Nokia kampany: > >Udvozlet! >Legnagyobb konkurensunk, az ERICSSON, ingyenesen forgalmazza >mobiltelefonjait az Interneten. Mi a NOKIA-nal ugyanilyen ajanlatot >akarunk >Onok ele terjeszteni. > >Mi a szobeli reklam altal akarjuk magunkat meg ismertebbe tenni es >ezert >felajanljuk a legujabb Wap-telefonjainkat. Minden amit tenniuk kell: ezt= a >mailt 8 baratjanak/ismerosenek elkuldeni es 2 het utan megkap egy >NOKIA >6210-est. Ha ezt a mailt 20 baratjanak kuldi el, egy NOKIA WAP-ot kap (a >legujabb modellt). > >Ne felejtsen el egy masolatot kuldeni a kovetkezo cimre:< >mailto:Anna.Swelund@nokia.de <mailto:Anna.Swelund@nokia.de> > >Ez azert fontos, hogy on bizonyitani tudja, hogy ezt a mailt el is kuldt= e. > > >Sok oromot es sikert! > > >Kampagne von NOKIA: > > Hallo, > unser groesster Konkurrent, ERICSSON, vertreibt Mobiltelefone gratis u= ber >das Internet. Wir bei NOKIA wollen Ihnen ebenfalls ein Angebot >unterbreiten. > > Wir wollen uns uber Mundpropaganda noch bekannter machen und vergeben >daher kostenlos unsere neuesten WAP-PHONES. 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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 3:40:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D6C37B407 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5FAe7W44579; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:40:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106151040.f5FAe7W44579@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Samuel Tardieu <sam@inf.enst.fr> Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Reply-To: Samuel Tardieu <sam@inf.enst.fr> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/25735; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Samuel Tardieu <sam@inf.enst.fr> To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/25735: handbook correction Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:35:37 +0200 This issue has been sorted out. This PR can be closed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 3:49:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB08037B405; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5FAnBY45372; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: <nik@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106151049.f5FAnBY45372@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25735: error in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: error in handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 15 03:48:33 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Sorted and closed (I believe). http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25735 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 10:22:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f255.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D9A37B408 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aminhassanali@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 10:22:49 -0700 Received: from 203.135.48.81 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:22:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.135.48.81] From: "amin hassan" <aminhassanali@hotmail.com> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: help needed Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:22:49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: <F255BnccYTjr8cU6xfP00002d88@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2001 17:22:49.0597 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD2952D0:01C0F5BF] Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org <html><DIV>dear sir</DIV> <DIV>can u tell me the step by step installtion process of BSD... i m facing problems installation....</DIV> <DIV>or can u tell me the site from whr i can get the installtion step by step...</DIV> <DIV>waiting for ur reply..</DIV> <DIV>ur favour will be highly appreciated...</DIV> <DIV>thanx</DIV> <DIV>@min</DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p></html> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 11:40: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E415A37B409 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5FIe0M21911; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [216.194.193.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E7137B403 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [216.194.193.106]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F462E462 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f5FIZAn85707; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera) Message-Id: <200106151835.f5FIZAn85707@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) From: <khera@kciLink.com> Reply-To: khera@kciLink.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28180: tuning docs at odds with /etc/defaults/rc.conf Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28180 >Category: docs >Synopsis: tuning man page and rfc1323 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 15 11:40:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Vivek Khera >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD onceler.kciLink.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #6: Mon Jun 11 12:39:31 EDT 2001 khera@yertle.kciLink.com:/u/yertle2/usr.obj/amd/onceler/u/onceler1/usr/src/sys/ONCELER i386 >Description: The tuning man page says: 65535 and stick with that if the performance is acceptable. In extreme cases you may have to turn on the net.inet.tcp.rfc1323 sysctl and increase the buffer size to values greater then 65535. This option turns on the window sizing extension to the TCP protocol. We do not recommend that you use this option unless you absolutely have to because many hosts on the internet can't handle the feature and may cause connections to freeze up. However, in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, these TCP extensions are turned on. I'm assuming this recommendation is out of date? >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 12:10: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8796937B408 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5FJA3i27239; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from yertle.kciLink.com (yertle.kcilink.com [216.194.193.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D637B409 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from khera@kciLink.com) Received: from onceler.kciLink.com (onceler.kciLink.com [216.194.193.106]) by yertle.kciLink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ADE2E45F for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from khera@localhost) by onceler.kciLink.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f5FJ5X372686; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khera) Message-Id: <200106151905.f5FJ5X372686@onceler.kciLink.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:05:33 -0400 (EDT) From: <khera@kciLink.com> Reply-To: khera@kciLink.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28182: error in security man page Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28182 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ssh doesn't auto-forward keys >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jun 15 12:10:03 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Vivek Khera >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD onceler.kciLink.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #6: Mon Jun 11 12:39:31 EDT 2001 khera@yertle.kciLink.com:/u/yertle2/usr.obj/amd/onceler/u/onceler1/usr/src/sys/ONCELER i386 >Description: The security man page says: Ssh works quite well in every respect except that it forwards encryption keys by default. What this means is that if you have a secure worksta- tion holding keys that give you access to the rest of the system, and you ssh to an unsecure machine, your keys becomes exposed. The actual keys themselves are not exposed, but ssh installs a forwarding port for the This is no longer true; ssh on 4.3 systems doesn't do agent/key forwarding by default any more. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 15:24: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B52837B408; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from murray@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5FMNxZ61933; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT) From: <murray@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106152223.f5FMNxZ61933@freefall.freebsd.org> To: roelof@eboa.com, murray@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/24363: lack of explanation Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: lack of explanation State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: murray State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 15 15:23:36 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: The text has been clarified, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 17:32:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606E337B403; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5G0Whr82378; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: <dd@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106160032.f5G0Whr82378@freefall.freebsd.org> To: khera@kciLink.com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28182: ssh doesn't auto-forward keys Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ssh doesn't auto-forward keys State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Fri Jun 15 17:32:28 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed in -current, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jun 15 17:32:28 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28182 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Jun 15 17:33: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1361837B405; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5G0X7282463; Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: <dd@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106160033.f5G0X7282463@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dillon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/28180: tuning man page and rfc1323 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: tuning man page and rfc1323 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dillon Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Jun 15 17:32:53 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Matt's man page. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28180 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 2:35:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBD937B405; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f5G9Z2D41239; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:35:02 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> To: "Pedro F. Giffuni" <pfg1+@pitt.edu> Cc: arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SHARED=symlinks, /sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet: problems and thefix Message-ID: <20010616023502.B41027@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010614130754.A13655@sunbay.com> <20010614110608.C75022@dragon.nuxi.com> <3B29005D.7C5E41BC@pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B29005D.7C5E41BC@pitt.edu>; from pfg1+@pitt.edu on Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 02:20:14PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 02:20:14PM -0400, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Not knowing where it should be relevant, I had sent this to the doc > list: > http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/software/3rdparty/ That is *sweet*! I wish we had a document like that. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 2:36:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A6F37B407 for <freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5G9GK608270; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:16:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> To: "amin hassan" <aminhassanali@hotmail.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: help needed Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:16:19 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <F255BnccYTjr8cU6xfP00002d88@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <F255BnccYTjr8cU6xfP00002d88@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106161016190I.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 15 June 2001 6:22 pm, amin hassan wrote: > can u tell me the step by step installtion process of BSD... http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/43/index.html Coming soon to a Handbook near you. . . N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsrI+MACgkQk6gHZCw343VEsACeLYxCbcAfh2MNlea22sp9myse zrgAn0MkJP6Hw0rG8FBS2hkH8G2/C4nP =WLKh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 7:36: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAF037B40A; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 07:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5GEJI614057; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:19:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> To: Murray Stokely <murray@osd.bsdi.com>, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Style/Grammar/Writing Guidelines Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:19:18 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Chern Lee <chern@meow.osd.bsdi.com>, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <Pine.BSF.4.31.0106131439170.43965-100000@meow.osd.bsdi.com> <0106140037160N.37769@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010613170617.B45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> In-Reply-To: <20010613170617.B45984@meow.osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106161519180Q.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 14 June 2001 1:06 am, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 12:37:16AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > > 1. How many of the buyers / reviewers of the Handbook said that they > > didn't like the tone. > > > > vs. > > > > 2. How many of the buyers / reviewers said that they really, > > *really* wanted to see a decent index? > > I don't see them as a trade off, but as two seperate issues that > both need to be addressed before a second edition can be published. No question. But I'd like to see some priorities. As a general principle, if WRS are planning on doing a second edition, it would also be good to know what the feedback was from the first edition, whether or not there's a "fix list" of things to do, and so on (I see you've committed stuff from Chern already, which is good). I'd also like to know timescales, and to make sure that WRS know what's up and coming in the Handbook -- for example, Randy's install preview, that sort of thing. Maybe a meeting at Usenix would be a good idea? > > expected to be, and we could be focussing our limited energies on > > efforts that will be more useful to the readers (like, for example, an > > index). > > Speaking of an index Nik, do you mind committing one of our patches > to doc.docbook.mk? I believe that yours is more elegant and correct > but they both work, and I'd like to see something in the tree that > allows us to move forward on the indexing front. Mail loss means I don't have the patches to hand. I think I've reimplemented it from scratch, but I could be wrong. It was certainly enough to add <!ENTITY index SYSTEM "index.sgml"> to the top of book.sgml, and &index; to the bottom -- the generated index looked fine, and there didn't seem to be a problem when generating different formats. > Are you in favor of adding index entries into the Handbook in the > style that I added them to developers-handbook/secure? Works for me. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsrauYACgkQk6gHZCw343VQWQCeJr/AhWkS2PiYpJnEb1jsc3NR ZugAnRPdAllTrLIvNy0Poh9pL3C5Mia7 =BOL0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 9:35: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7037F37B403 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 09:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5GGKj614647 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:20:45 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: CSS support Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:20:45 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106161720450R.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's something I've been meaning to get around to for a long time. Attached is a patch to freebsd.dsl and doc.docbook.mk, and a new file, docbook.css. Put docbook.css in ${DOC_PREFIX}/share/misc (the directory won't exist, you need to create it) and apply the patch. Then generate HTML or split HTML documentation, and view it in a CSS aware browser. I'll commit this in a few days if there are no objections. A preview of the FAQ built with this patch is at http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/faq-css/ N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsrh10ACgkQk6gHZCw343VtHQCgkmNX74N4aTCoO5lE0+bzFb7+ hGoAn3PK3Ar5vQ/bZJHK8tZcmMaqVWcQ =aAne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 10: 5:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B465437B403; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5GGrF615154; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:53:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="iso-8859-1"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_R8818062PATKAVZWZAQK" From: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> To: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org>, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CSS support Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 17:53:15 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0106161720450R.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <0106161720450R.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0106161753150X.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------Boundary-00=_R8818062PATKAVZWZAQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 16 June 2001 5:20 pm, Nik Clayton wrote: > Attached is a patch to freebsd.dsl and doc.docbook.mk, and a new file, > docbook.css. One day I'm going to write an MTA with only one new function -- it'll scan every outgoing message for variants of "attachment", and if there's nothing attached it'll say "Do you really want to do this?" This time, they're really attached. 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b3JtYXR9IHBhY2thZ2UiIC1mIFBMSVNUIFwKIAkJLXAgJHtERVNURElSfSAke1BBQ0tBR0VTfS8k ey5DVVJESVI6VH0uJHtMQU5HQ09ERX0uJHtfY3VyZm9ybWF0fS50Z3oKIC5lbmRmb3IKKworZG9j Ym9vay5jc3M6CisJY3AgJHtDU1NfU0hFRVR9ICR7LkNVUkRJUn0vZG9jYm9vay5jc3MKXCBObyBu ZXdsaW5lIGF0IGVuZCBvZiBmaWxlCg== --------------Boundary-00=_R8818062PATKAVZWZAQK-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 11: 9:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BFB37B403; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DF1D3E0B; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:09:17 -0700 (PDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SHARED=symlinks, /sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet: problems and thefix In-Reply-To: <20010616023502.B41027@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on "Sat, 16 Jun 2001 02:35:02 -0700" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 11:09:17 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> Message-Id: <20010616180917.5DF1D3E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.ORG> writes: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 02:20:14PM -0400, Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > > Not knowing where it should be relevant, I had sent this to the doc > > list: > > http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/software/3rdparty/ > > That is *sweet*! I wish we had a document like that. Considering that you maintain most of the contributed software, you'd be the ideal party to start writing one. If you'd like, I'll set up SGML framework for you, and even SGMLify the stuff if you only want to write the plain text variant. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 13:20:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D762637B409 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GKK0m38126; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from whizkidtech.net (r36.bfm.org [216.127.220.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4551637B401 for <FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:16:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GKGm700475; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:16:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam) Message-Id: <200106162016.f5GKGm700475@whizkidtech.net> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:16:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net> Reply-To: adam@whizkidtech.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/28205: Typo correction in x86 tutorial Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28205 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Typo correction in my x86 tutorial >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jun 16 13:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: G. Adam Stanislav >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 4.3-20010525-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-20010525-STABLE #0: Fri May 25 12:00:06 GMT 2001 root@usw3.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 >Description: Oops, I just noticed a typo in my x86 tutorial of the Developer's Handbook. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: /me seppuku ... No, wait, there is another way: Please apply the following diff to */developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml: --- /doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/x86/chapter.sgml Fri Jun 15 17:25:30 2001 +++ chapter.sgml Sat Jun 16 15:00:31 2001 @@ -4239,7 +4239,7 @@ Most of the programs we have written so far worked with individual characters, or bytes, as their input: The <application>hex</application> program converted individual bytes -into a hexadecimal number, the <application>cvs</application> +into a hexadecimal number, the <application>csv</application> program either let a character through, or deleted it, or changed it to a different character, etc. </para> >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 13:35:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F224D37B409 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r11.bfm.org [216.127.220.107]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:38:56 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:35:09 -0500 To: doc@freebsd.org From: "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net> Subject: Writing man pages in sgml Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I seem to recall someone once saying somewhere (possibly here) that the DocBook sgml could be converted into a man page. If that is the case, could someone please tell me how (and perhaps direct me to a sample sgml for the creation of manpages)? Thank you, Adam --- http://phonecowboy.com/registrar/twist/ finds a good domain for you and checks for its existence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 13:47:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from eos.ocn.ne.jp (eos.ocn.ne.jp [210.190.142.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AE737B407 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 13:47:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from mail.hrslab.yi.org (p3004-ip01funabasi.chiba.ocn.ne.jp [61.112.99.4]) by eos.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id FAA06978; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:47:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (alph.hrslab.yi.org [192.168.0.10]) by mail.hrslab.yi.org (8.9.3/3.7W/DomainMaster) with ESMTP id FAA60068; Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:46:48 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 05:45:21 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010617.054521.07648028.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To: adam@whizkidtech.net Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Writing man pages in sgml From: Hiroki Sato <hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b101 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net> wrote in <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com>: adam> I seem to recall someone once saying somewhere (possibly here) that adam> the DocBook sgml could be converted into a man page. If that is the adam> case, could someone please tell me how (and perhaps direct me to a adam> sample sgml for the creation of manpages)? You can get the toolchains and examples from http://docbook2X.sourceforge.net/. -- | Hiroki Sato <hrs@FreeBSD.org> | <hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 14: 7:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52B537B401 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r22.bfm.org [216.127.220.118]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:11:13 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010616160725.00abe9f0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:07:25 -0500 To: Hiroki Sato <hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> From: "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net> Subject: Re: Writing man pages in sgml Cc: doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010617.054521.07648028.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> References: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:45 2001-06-17 +0900, Hiroki Sato wrote: > You can get the toolchains and examples from > http://docbook2X.sourceforge.net/. Thank you. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 14:35:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FD237B415 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 14:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5GLBx616080; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:11:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> To: "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net>, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Writing man pages in sgml Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:11:58 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010616153509.00a9d9a0@mail85.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01061622115811.01838@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 16 June 2001 9:35 pm, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > I seem to recall someone once saying somewhere (possibly here) that > the DocBook sgml could be converted into a man page. If that is the > case, could someone please tell me how (and perhaps direct me to a > sample sgml for the creation of manpages)? There are a number of tools that can do this. Sun have already done this with Solaris, and they based it on dtm, available at http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/tools/dtm/ This has also come up on the -doc list before. A search for the thread with the subject man, TOC, xml... should be instructive. What we call man pages, DocBook calls "RefEntry"s. You can see some examples at http://www.docbook.org/tdg/html/refentry.html Finally, I was having a chat with Ruslan (ru@FreeBSD.org) about this yesterday, and he's also interested in working on it. It would be a good idea to talk with him as well. N - -- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjsry58ACgkQk6gHZCw343XhlgCfVfeaMP9Pn8tSs7eMvwoBQzbD v2sAn2lD6ysXNmqFGTOYcgKlVfBob1WN =JnBv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 15: 5:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B5637B428; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GM59057426; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: <dd@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106162205.f5GM59057426@freefall.freebsd.org> To: adam@whizkidtech.net, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28205: Typo correction in my x86 tutorial Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Typo correction in my x86 tutorial State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 16 15:04:58 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: committed, thanks! http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28205 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 16: 0:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CC337B40D for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5GN0IH90724; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 16:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106162300.f5GN0IH90724@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> Subject: Re: docs/27599: md(4) manpage enhancement Reply-To: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/27599; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> To: Stefan `Sec` Zehl <sec@42.org> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/27599: md(4) manpage enhancement Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 15:52:52 -0700 Stefan `Sec` Zehl <sec@42.org> writes: > On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 08:57:23PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > sec@ice.42.org writes: > > > --- /usr/export/src/share/man/man4/md.4 Sun Dec 31 03:11:56 2000 > > > +++ ./md.4 Thu May 24 00:56:57 2001 > > > @@ -59,6 +59,11 @@ > > > with the kernel option > > > .Dv MD_NSECT . > > > .Pp > > > +Be warned that due to kernel constraints such a > > > +.Nm > > > +disk cannot be bigger than a certain maximum size. > > > +This size can be found in the 'Limit' column of 'vmstat -m'. > > > +.Pp > > > > It looks to me like the man page already states this: > > > > The default maximum size of a md disk backed by malloc(9) is 20,000 se > c- > > tors of 512 bytes each. This can be changed with the kernel option > > MD_NSECT. > > > > Perhaps it might make sense to mention vmstat(8), but I don't think > > it's appropriate to add another paragraph, most of which just repeats > > what has already been said. > > I'm sorry, but you misunderstand. The problem I mention has nothing to > do with MD_NSECT. You can raise MD_NSECT all the way, but the mentioned > 'Limit' column of 'vmstat -m' Is unaffected by that. That is exactly > where this comes from. The default MD_NSECT is small enough to avoid any > problems, but when you increase it, you run into that other, not yet > documented limit which will HANG your machine. > If my english isn't clear enough, feel free to improve it. But please > add a warning to the manpage. Okay, I did misunderstand. But it still says what you want: The malloc(9) backed disks are severely limited in size by constraints imposed by malloc(9). The limit imposed depends on the amount of physi- cal RAM in the machine, and covers all malloc(9) backed instances of md devices. but perhaps that could do with some elaboraton. How about this: The malloc(9) backed disks are severely limited in size by constraints imposed by malloc(9). Specifically, only one malloc bucket s used, which means that all md devices with malloc(9) backing must share the malloc per-bucket quota. The exact size of this quota varies, in particuar with the amount of RAM in the system. The exact value can be determined with vmstat(8). > > CU, > Sec > -- > There are too many priorities. One has to prioritize priorities. -- Wietse > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 19: 0:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84D837B407 for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5H202N13775; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 19:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A30837B403 for <freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5H1vvF13511; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200106170157.f5H1vvF13511@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 18:57:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt COwger <mcowger@bowdoin.edu> To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/28215: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp -s Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 28215 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp -s >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jun 16 19:00:02 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Matt COwger >Release: 4.3-R >Organization: Bowdoin College >Environment: FreeBSD blondie.bowdoin.edu 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Wed May 2 22:11:53 EDT 2001 mcowger@diablo.bowdoin.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BLONDIE i386 >Description: According to the man page for arp(8): -s hostname ether_addr Create an ARP entry for the host called hostname with the Ether-net address ether_addr. The Ethernet address is given as six hex bytes separated by colons. However, the hostname is NOT a valid argument, one must supply an IP address. Hence, the documentation shoudl be changed to: -s ip ether_addr or something along those lines. >How-To-Repeat: see above >Fix: see above. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 20:30:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7918A37B40C for <freebsd-doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5H3U2h27107; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 20:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200106170330.f5H3U2h27107@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: From: bem@atlanta-bsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28215: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp Reply-To: bem@atlanta-bsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR docs/28215; it has been noted by GNATS. From: bem@atlanta-bsd.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, mcowger@bowdoin.edu Cc: Subject: Re: docs/28215: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:25:42 -0400 (EDT) I was unable to verify this. As long as the hostname is in /etc/hosts, it works for me. I did not try a dns name, though. See example output: bandicoot# arp -s bandicoot 00:d0:b7:1d:7c:06 bandicoot# uname -a FreeBSD bandicoot.atlanta-bsd.org 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #2: Sat Jun 16 17:19:24 EDT 2001 root@bandicoot.atlanta-bsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 bandicoot# arp -an ? (192.168.0.1) at 0:10:5a:1b:ef:d9 [ethernet] ? (192.168.0.3) at 0:10:b5:4b:17:ca [ethernet] ? (192.168.0.4) at 0:d0:b7:1d:7c:6 permanent [ethernet] bandicoot# cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.atlanta-bsd.org 192.168.0.4 bandicoot bandicoot.atlanta-bsd.org bandicoot# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 22:43: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B130837B401 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:42:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f5H5gsV44690 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200106170542.f5H5gsV44690@harmony.village.org> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Updates to committer's guide for getting commit bits. Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:54 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please find enclosed the first set of patches updating the commiter's guide to reflect the current policy on obtaining one's commit. Please review and send me comments. I'd like to commit this or have a doc commiter commit this as soon as it is ready. Warner Index: article.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide/article.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.72 diff -u -r1.72 article.sgml --- article.sgml 2001/06/11 01:16:39 1.72 +++ article.sgml 2001/06/17 05:39:06 @@ -60,7 +60,8 @@ <row> <entry><emphasis>Main CVS Repository Meisters</emphasis></entry> <entry>&a.jdp; and &a.peter; as well as &a.asami; for - <filename>ports/</filename></entry> + <filename>ports/</filename> and &a.nik; for + <filename>doc/</filename></entry> </row> <row> @@ -674,6 +675,13 @@ <para>review your diffs, using <command>cvs diff</command></para> </listitem> + + <listitem> + <para>if the software has a MAINTAINER, or someone else has made + a number of commits to the file more than anyone else, make + sure you have tried to have that person review your changes + before the commit.</para> + </listitem> </itemizedlist> <para>Also, ALWAYS specify which files to commit explicitly on @@ -834,7 +842,8 @@ </itemizedlist> <para>All new committers also have a mentor assigned to them for - the first few months. Your mentor is more or less responsible for + the first few months. Your mentor sponsored your commit bit with + core. Your mentor is more or less responsible for explaining anything which is confusing to you and is also responsible for your actions during this initial period. If you make a bogus commit, it is only going to embarrass your mentor @@ -1675,7 +1684,8 @@ yourself!</para> <para>Contact the &a.core; if you wish to take up maintainership - of an unmaintained part of the tree.</para> + of an unmaintained part of the tree or if you have issues with + the maintainer of part of the tree.</para> </listitem> </orderedlist> </sect2> @@ -2257,4 +2267,54 @@ </qandaentry> </qandaset> </sect1> + + <sect1 id="new.committer"> + <para>From time to time, committers will come across new, and promising + people who would be able to make valuable contributions to the FreeBSD + project. Maybe they have posted a lot of patches. Maybe they have + submitted too many PRs for them to escape punishment. Maybe they + write well and can contribute to the documentation effort. Maybe they + wish to attack the ports tree. In any event, when one finds a qualified + new committer, one must follow a procedure to get this person's + commit bit.</para> + + <para>If the commit bit is for src, send your request (and justification) + to <email>core@FreeBSD.org</email>. If the commit bit is for ports, + send your request to &a.asami;. If the commit bit is for doc, send + your request to &a.nik;. The mentor for this new person should make + the request. You should get an ack of your request + back within 24 hours. You should get resolution of your request, + one way or another within one week. If you fail to get these things + in a timely fashion, then write to core.</para> + + <para>If the request is refused, a letter explaining the refusal will + be sent to the sponsor in the case of src commit bits. Other tree + may also do the same. Often times the answer of "not yet" will be + sent out. Mentors are encouraged to work with their applicant in such + a case and resubmit their request, if appropriate after a few months + when the concerns raised in the refusal letter have been + addressed.</para> + + <para>If the request is granted, then the authorizing body listed above + needs to send a pgp signed message to admin@FreeBSD.org authorizing + creation of the account. Once that is done, the admin folks will request + information about the applicant for use in creating their account and + giving them credentials to log in. The mentor is expected to followup + with the new committer and make sure that he or she reads this document + and follows the first initial steps listed here.</para> + + <para>If you are a doc committer, you can commit to both the src + and doc trees. But only to documentation in the src tree. + Otherwise, you should get approval from the issuing authority + to start making commits outside of the area for which you + were originally approved.</para> + + <para>Any problems in this process should be reported to the authorizing + authority first, and then to core if they cannot be resolved. Each step + without a time limit explicitly listed should be considered to have a + 48 hour timeout on it and the mentor is responsible for following up + appropriately. This is a volunteer organization and sometimes action + items fall onto the floor and the mentor is our oversight in this + process.</para> + </article> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 23:42:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B90937B409; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5H6gnj60442; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: <dd@FreeBSD.org> Message-Id: <200106170642.f5H6gnj60442@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mcowger@bowdoin.edu, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/28215: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp -s Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Incorrect/misleading documentation for arp -s State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Jun 16 23:42:35 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Originator reports pilot error. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=28215 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Jun 16 23:43: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E67237B405 for <doc@freebsd.org>; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA743E28; Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Updates to committer's guide for getting commit bits. In-Reply-To: <200106170542.f5H5gsV44690@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on "Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:54 -0600" Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 23:42:26 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> Message-Id: <20010617064226.7EA743E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-doc.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-doc> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-doc> X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Comments below. Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org> writes: > Index: article.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/imp/FreeBSD/CVS/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/committers-guide > /article.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.72 > diff -u -r1.72 article.sgml > --- article.sgml 2001/06/11 01:16:39 1.72 > +++ article.sgml 2001/06/17 05:39:06 > @@ -60,7 +60,8 @@ > <row> > <entry><emphasis>Main CVS Repository Meisters</emphasis></entry> > <entry>&a.jdp; and &a.peter; as well as &a.asami; for > - <filename>ports/</filename></entry> > + <filename>ports/</filename> and &a.nik; for > + <filename>doc/</filename></entry> > </row> > > <row> > @@ -674,6 +675,13 @@ > <para>review your diffs, using > <command>cvs diff</command></para> > </listitem> > + > + <listitem> > + <para>if the software has a MAINTAINER, or someone else has made ^^^ Capital? > + a number of commits to the file more than anyone else, make > + sure you have tried to have that person review your changes > + before the commit.</para> > + </listitem> > </itemizedlist> > > <para>Also, ALWAYS specify which files to commit explicitly on > @@ -834,7 +842,8 @@ > </itemizedlist> > > <para>All new committers also have a mentor assigned to them for > - the first few months. Your mentor is more or less responsible for > + the first few months. Your mentor sponsored your commit bit with > + core. Your mentor is more or less responsible for I think this should be: Your mentor sponsored your commit bit with the &a.core;. > explaining anything which is confusing to you and is also > responsible for your actions during this initial period. If you > make a bogus commit, it is only going to embarrass your mentor > @@ -1675,7 +1684,8 @@ > yourself!</para> > > <para>Contact the &a.core; if you wish to take up maintainership > - of an unmaintained part of the tree.</para> > + of an unmaintained part of the tree or if you have issues with > + the maintainer of part of the tree.</para> > </listitem> > </orderedlist> > </sect2> > @@ -2257,4 +2267,54 @@ > </qandaentry> > </qandaset> > </sect1> > + > + <sect1 id="new.committer"> > + <para>From time to time, committers will come across new, and promising > + people who would be able to make valuable contributions to the FreeBSD > + project. Maybe they have posted a lot of patches. Maybe they have > + submitted too many PRs for them to escape punishment. Maybe they > + write well and can contribute to the documentation effort. Maybe they > + wish to attack the ports tree. In any event, when one finds a qualified > + new committer, one must follow a procedure to get this person's > + commit bit.</para> > + > + <para>If the commit bit is for src, send your request (and justification) > + to <email>core@FreeBSD.org</email>. If the commit bit is for ports, "... to the &a.core;." > + send your request to &a.asami;. If the commit bit is for doc, send > + your request to &a.nik;. The mentor for this new person should make > + the request. You should get an ack of your request s/ack/acknowledgement/, please. > + back within 24 hours. You should get resolution of your request, > + one way or another within one week. If you fail to get these things I don't know if the 24 hour thing is reasonable for Nik or Asami. Core is a team, but they're one person, and it isn't unusual for one of them to be gone for a day or two. > + in a timely fashion, then write to core.</para> &a.core; > + > + <para>If the request is refused, a letter explaining the refusal will > + be sent to the sponsor in the case of src commit bits. Other tree > + may also do the same. Often times the answer of "not yet" will be > + sent out. Mentors are encouraged to work with their applicant in such > + a case and resubmit their request, if appropriate after a few months > + when the concerns raised in the refusal letter have been > + addressed.</para> > + > + <para>If the request is granted, then the authorizing body listed above > + needs to send a pgp signed message to admin@FreeBSD.org authorizing "... to <email>admin@FreeBSD.org</email> ..." > + creation of the account. Once that is done, the admin folks will request > + information about the applicant for use in creating their account and > + giving them credentials to log in. The mentor is expected to followup > + with the new committer and make sure that he or she reads this document > + and follows the first initial steps listed here.</para> > + > + <para>If you are a doc committer, you can commit to both the src > + and doc trees. But only to documentation in the src tree. > + Otherwise, you should get approval from the issuing authority > + to start making commits outside of the area for which you > + were originally approved.</para> > + > + <para>Any problems in this process should be reported to the authorizing > + authority first, and then to core if they cannot be resolved. Each step &a.core; > + without a time limit explicitly listed should be considered to have a > + 48 hour timeout on it and the mentor is responsible for following up > + appropriately. This is a volunteer organization and sometimes action > + items fall onto the floor and the mentor is our oversight in this > + process.</para> > + > </article> Other than those minor nits, I think it's a good idea. If you'd like, I'll gladly commit it for you when you're ready. Regards, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org P.S. Sorry if I sounded too bde-ish ;-). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message