From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 2 6:48:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6799337B407; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/20010730/$Revision: 1.25 $) with ESMTP id f82DmZXl003088; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/Submit) id f82DmW00003087; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:48:32 GMT Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 08:48:32 -0500 From: Larry Rosenman To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Marcel Moolenaar [010901 18:10]: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 01:22:12PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Is *ANYTHING* going to be done about this ever? It appears nothing > > >> was done at all during the 4.4 cycle. > > > > > > If I have some time (yeah, right :-) I'll take a look at it. The > > > quickest fix would be to define CPUTYPE as empty when building > > > cross- and build-tools. This should override any definitions that > > > are present in /etc/make.conf. > > > > That doesn't help. The problem is that the cross-tools built during buildworld > > are linked against the hosts' libc.a, and then run on the target machine in > > installworld. Thus, in this case you end up running a 686 libc.a in the cross > > tool on a 486 and it blows up. > > > > Ah yes. In that case it only works if you link shared, but then you > have different problems. I guess this rules out CPUTYPE as a generic > tunable. If you want the highest possible performance, you give up > on portibility. You can't have it both... Is this a *NO*, we're not interested in fixing it? If so, some BIG notices should be in /etc/defaults/make.conf around the CPUTYPE setting. I really think this should be fixed somehow.... (Not that I would know how...) -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 2 11:11:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A0737B408; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:11:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f82IBNU38776; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f82IBVW04906; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:11:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 11:11:31 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Larry Rosenman Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 08:48:32AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > Ah yes. In that case it only works if you link shared, but then you > > have different problems. I guess this rules out CPUTYPE as a generic > > tunable. If you want the highest possible performance, you give up > > on portibility. You can't have it both... > Is this a *NO*, we're not interested in fixing it? It isn't as simple as that. The problem is hairy. This means that it takes time to come up with a solution that is at least acceptable and it also takes time implementing it. Since a fix is not crucial to the proper functioning of FreeBSD, it will not compete for the highest slots on people's backlog. > If so, some BIG notices should be in /etc/defaults/make.conf around > the CPUTYPE setting. What, besides the notice that setting CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf is the worst of all possible places, are thinking about? -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 2 14:30:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9D137B401; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/20010730/$Revision: 1.25 $) with ESMTP id f82LUmXl027387; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:30:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/Submit) id f82LUlXr027386; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:30:47 GMT Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 16:30:47 -0500 From: Larry Rosenman To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Marcel Moolenaar [010902 13:11]: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 08:48:32AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > > Ah yes. In that case it only works if you link shared, but then you > > > have different problems. I guess this rules out CPUTYPE as a generic > > > tunable. If you want the highest possible performance, you give up > > > on portibility. You can't have it both... > > Is this a *NO*, we're not interested in fixing it? > > It isn't as simple as that. The problem is hairy. This means that > it takes time to come up with a solution that is at least acceptable > and it also takes time implementing it. Since a fix is not crucial > to the proper functioning of FreeBSD, it will not compete for the > highest slots on people's backlog. So it's a very *LOW* priority, and won't be fixed soon, if ever. > > > If so, some BIG notices should be in /etc/defaults/make.conf around > > the CPUTYPE setting. > > What, besides the notice that setting CPUTYPE in /etc/make.conf is > the worst of all possible places, are thinking about? that if you are cross-building, CPUTYPE shouldn't be set, that CPUTYPE being set to higher than the lowest processor you are building for *WILL* break (give my example of i486 build on a P3 world if you want), Or, remove the CPUTYPE option altogether until it can be made cross-build safe. I was *VERY* surprised that a cross-build picked up *ANY* of the host libraries for stuff running on the target. My logical brain ass/u/med that a cross-build was totally safe from the libraries on the host box. Obviously, I can't force any of this. Should I file a PR so it won't get lost? I, obviously, have removed CPUTYPE from my make.conf for this setup. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Sep 2 14:47:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3293037B403; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f82LlKU39267; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f82LlTA44809; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:47:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:47:28 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Larry Rosenman Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 04:30:47PM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: > > I was *VERY* surprised that a cross-build picked up *ANY* of the host > libraries for stuff running on the target. My logical brain ass/u/med > that a cross-build was totally safe from the libraries on the host > box. You simply assumed that different processor models within the same architecture would be treated as different architectures. This is not the case. As such, the build machine and the target machine are considered the same and will share the build tools. If they were treated as different architectures, they would not share the build tools and you would not (at least) have had this problem. > Obviously, I can't force any of this. Should I file a PR so it won't > get lost? Yes, please. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 3:43:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE06C37B407; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 03:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/20010730/$Revision: 1.25 $) with ESMTP id f83AhCXl010401; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 05:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/Submit) id f83AhBs5010400; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 10:43:11 GMT Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 05:43:11 -0500 From: Larry Rosenman To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903054311.A8507@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Marcel Moolenaar [010902 16:47]: > > Obviously, I can't force any of this. Should I file a PR so it won't > > get lost? > > Yes, please. PR i386/30276 Thanks for any consideration/help. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 5:23:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from logatome.francenet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820CD37B403; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 05:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (pppA206.francenet.fr [193.149.100.116]) by logatome.francenet.fr (8.10.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f83CNB728867; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 587EAE6971; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 01:38:27 +0200 (CEST) To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cputype=486 References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> (Marcel Moolenaar's message of "Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:47:28 -0700") X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC i386 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 01:38:26 +0200 Message-ID: <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Marcel" == Marcel Moolenaar writes: Marcel> You simply assumed that different processor models within the Marcel> same architecture would be treated as different architectures. Marcel> This is not the case. Wouldn't it be the easiest and costless method ? Eric Masson PS : The Barthez tag is related to a famous TV show in France, "Les Guignols de L'info", where all known public personalities are represented by latex puppets. F. Barthez' (French Soccer Team goal keeper) one is known to behave like : "Let's say something, if I'm wrong, I'll get corrected". -- (y compris ouinouin 98, il faudra y appliquer une rustine pour que ça passe, quand micromou voudra bien la donner, ie le jour où ils auront fini de tester ouinouin 2000, donc en 1912, si tout va bien) + LP in Guide du Macounet Pervers : Rustinez avant de passer sciemment + To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 9:47:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9AA37B403; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f83Gl4600520; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f83Gl2p00728; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:47:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:47:02 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Eric Masson Cc: Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 01:38:26AM +0200, Eric Masson wrote: > >>>>> "Marcel" == Marcel Moolenaar writes: > > Marcel> You simply assumed that different processor models within the > Marcel> same architecture would be treated as different architectures. > Marcel> This is not the case. > > > > Wouldn't it be the easiest and costless method ? > > I think it would be better to keep the definition of architecture as it is but decorate it with model for build purposes. This means that you need a simple way to extract the arch+model string from the runtime environment so that you can use it in make(1). A build is then started by saying something like: make buildworld HOST_MACH=i386-p3 or make buildworld HOST_MACH=alpha-ev5 In this scenario, building on Pentium III (BUILD_MACH=i386-p3) for use on an i386 (HOST_MACH=i386-i386), where the install happens on the i386 itself (BUILD_MACH=i386-i386) would do the right thing. The tools built on the P3 will not be used during installation by the i386 machine itself. Consequently, we need to make sure that during install we check and optionally build the minimal set of tools we need during installation. This solution is not undoable, but needs care to implement and can easily take weeks or maybe months to do it right. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 14:15:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-54.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBB637B409; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:15:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6DEC166D0A; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:15:38 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903141538.A36786@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net>; from marcel@xcllnt.net on Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 09:47:02AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 09:47:02AM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 01:38:26AM +0200, Eric Masson wrote: > > >>>>> "Marcel" =3D=3D Marcel Moolenaar writes: > >=20 > > Marcel> You simply assumed that different processor models within the > > Marcel> same architecture would be treated as different architectures. > > Marcel> This is not the case. > >=20 > > > >=20 > > Wouldn't it be the easiest and costless method ? > >=20 > > >=20 > I think it would be better to keep the definition of architecture > as it is but decorate it with model for build purposes. This means > that you need a simple way to extract the arch+model string from > the runtime environment so that you can use it in make(1). A build > is then started by saying something like: >=20 > make buildworld HOST_MACH=3Di386-p3 ${CPUTYPE} on the host system would do it. Perhaps we need to make a new variable akin to the other cross-compiling variables to tell it what CPUTYPE to cross-compile for. Kris --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7k/L5Wry0BWjoQKURAiVUAKC1LygSPO7UQwqK2XzfFKHdd6hspgCgsxEL a2MQAC7ec5WRpcrsUoXZBxE= =RDTY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 17: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9737B408; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f83Nxv601061; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f83NxvU03029; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:59:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 16:59:57 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903165956.A2872@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010903141538.A36786@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010903141538.A36786@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 02:15:38PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > I think it would be better to keep the definition of architecture > > as it is but decorate it with model for build purposes. This means > > that you need a simple way to extract the arch+model string from > > the runtime environment so that you can use it in make(1). A build > > is then started by saying something like: > > > > make buildworld HOST_MACH=i386-p3 > > ${CPUTYPE} on the host system would do it. Perhaps we need to make a > new variable akin to the other cross-compiling variables to tell it > what CPUTYPE to cross-compile for. CPUTYPE can indeed be used for that, provided we stop using MACHINE_ARCH for cross-build purposes. If we use HOST_MACH, then make(1) can provide a default value based on MACHINE_ARCH and CPUTYPE, otherwise the user has specified a cross-build and MACHINE_ARCH and CPUTYPE are ignored. If we handle the case where CPUTYPE is undefined, and also the case where users define MACHINE_ARCH without the CPUTYPE portion, it will look to most users as if we just changed the name of the variable from MACHINE_ARCH to HOST_MACH, without breaking backward compatibility. We can probably also throw in a test that avoids constructing HOST_MACH with a MACHINE_ARCH different from the native machine but with the local CPUTYPE, to avoid mixing an i386 CPUTYPE with a non-i386 MACHINE_ARCH. The complete picture can be something like: \begin{pseudo code} # Construct BUILD_MACH - A description of the build machine. # Avoid using MACHINE_ARCH for backward compatibility. BUILD_MACH=`uname -m` if (defined(CPUTYPE)) then BUILD_MACH=${BUILD_MACH}-${CPUTYPE} fi # Construct HOST_MACH - A description of the machine we're # building for. if (!defined(HOST_MACH)) then if (${MACHINE_ARCH} != `uname -m`) then HOST_MACH=${MACHINE_ARCH} # XXX - reset MACHINE_ARCH? else HOST_MACH=${BUILD_MACH} fi fi if (${BUILD_MACH} != ${HOST_MACH}) then echo "Cross-building!" fi \end{pseudo code} -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 17:25:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-54.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEDD37B406; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D6FD166D67; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:25:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 17:25:38 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Kris Kennaway , Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903172538.B38717@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010903141538.A36786@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010903165956.A2872@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010903165956.A2872@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net>; from marcel@xcllnt.net on Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 04:59:57PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 04:59:57PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > ${CPUTYPE} on the host system would do it. Perhaps we need to make a > > new variable akin to the other cross-compiling variables to tell it > > what CPUTYPE to cross-compile for. >=20 > CPUTYPE can indeed be used for that, provided we stop using > MACHINE_ARCH for cross-build purposes. [...] Okay, you've now surpassed the point of my knowledge about the cross-building process, so I'll drop out of the discussion :-) Kris --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7lB+CWry0BWjoQKURAkgCAJ97zpUw7aWlERkXNCYEUEAewGWUsgCeLmRo lqrW1aZvohIm5clMaTjJyEI= =KnRZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hHWLQfXTYDoKhP50-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Sep 3 18: 8:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E5337B403; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8418cA00406; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f8418cE26274; Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 18:08:37 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman , John Baldwin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010903180837.A26210@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902084832.B2510@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902111131.B478@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010902163046.A26933@lerami.lerctr.org> <20010902144728.A41762@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <86elppyxhp.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20010903094702.A554@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010903141538.A36786@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010903165956.A2872@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010903172538.B38717@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010903172538.B38717@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 05:25:38PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 04:59:57PM -0700, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > > ${CPUTYPE} on the host system would do it. Perhaps we need to make a > > > new variable akin to the other cross-compiling variables to tell it > > > what CPUTYPE to cross-compile for. > > > > CPUTYPE can indeed be used for that, provided we stop using > > MACHINE_ARCH for cross-build purposes. [...] > > Okay, you've now surpassed the point of my knowledge about the > cross-building process, so I'll drop out of the discussion :-) Let me quickly put it this way: MACHINE_ARCH and CPUTYPE have a dependency. You cannot change one and gurantee a valid combination. Thus, it's best to assume they're static in the sense that they simply define the build machine. All you need now is some other means to specify the host machine. One variable is better than two, hence HOST_MACH... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 16:36: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C3C37B403; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f84NZtn85519; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:35:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.sentex.net (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5av) with ESMTP id f84NZo985511; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:35:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010904192459.05e3e350@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 19:35:48 -0400 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: tmp 4.4 RC 3 ISO mirror available Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://coal2.sentex.ca/4.4rc3-install.iso This is an unofficial mirror and I have allocated 10Mb/s of outbound bandwidth for downloads. or if you prefer ftp://coal2.sentex.ca/4.4rc3-install.iso I seem to have a valid copy of it. coal2# md5 4.4rc3-install.iso MD5 (4.4rc3-install.iso) = 0b007e4d4a92ea163af09aa06bcda880 coal2# cat 4.4rc3-install.md5 MD5 (4.4rc3-install.iso) = 0b007e4d4a92ea163af09aa06bcda880 coal2# ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 16:56:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from meow.lab.nuxi.com (meow.bsdlabs.com [66.123.5.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9775537B403; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (chern@localhost) by meow.lab.nuxi.com (8.11.4/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f84NulD65625; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chern@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: meow.lab.nuxi.com: chern owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chern Lee X-X-Sender: To: , Cc: Subject: RC 3 Test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've tested RC3, and here's what I've found. On a standard install: 1. I've selected all of the X servers and when it comes to extract the X distribution, an error pops up similar to: Unable to transfer Servers/X3DL Try to retrieve again? Yes No The "Yes" option does not work at all, when hitting enter or space, the screen just stays. "No" works fine. A number of the X servers pop up with this error. X3DL X8514 XAGX XI128 XMa8 XMa64 XMono XP9K XS3 XS3V XSVGA XVG16 XW32 2. sshd is mentioned as "SSHd", but this has been recently changed. 3. The message: "Do you want to configure inetd and simple internet services?" leads me to believe I will be configuring other internet services, perhaps it would be better reworded: "Do you want to configure inetd and the internet services it invokes?" 4. For some reason, moused completely goes haywire on my machine. (It worked on 4.3-R) When enabling it (PS2, Intellimouse) the screen goes haywire. On the debug screen, psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008) appears repeatedly. This happens when trying to invoke moused manually after the system has been installed as well. I'm not sure if there have been any recent changes to moused/psm drive to be causing this. 5. And lastly, when configuring a NIC, it no longer asks to configure via IPv6/DHCP. On a side note, the enter/spacebar logic has slightly changed. I'm used to just hitting an enter a second time when the Distributions screen pops up. Now, you must scroll up to Exit and hit enter. Doing what I did before results in sysinstall asking to install the ports tree however many times you do it wrong. - chern To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 17:14:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654A137B40B; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@[147.11.46.201]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05856; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Chern Lee Subject: RE: RC 3 Test Cc: releng@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Sep-01 Chern Lee wrote: > I've tested RC3, and here's what I've found. > > On a standard install: > > 1. I've selected all of the X servers and when it comes to extract the X > distribution, an error pops up similar to: > > Unable to transfer Servers/X3DL > > Try to retrieve again? > > Yes No > > The "Yes" option does not work at all, when hitting enter or space, the > screen just stays. "No" works fine. > > A number of the X servers pop up with this error. > > X3DL > X8514 > XAGX > XI128 > XMa8 > XMa64 > XMono > XP9K > XS3 > XS3V > XSVGA > XVG16 > XW32 Hmm, I bet I know why. sysinstall wants the servers in a Servers/ directory, and the PC-98 servers in some other directory, but the XFree86 build-bindist script doesn't do that. Grrr, very frustating that they don't commit everything (like the magical extract binary) but rely on vil undoc magic to do the last bits. *sigh* -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 17:27: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B8F37B406; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 13A134B65E; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:32:37 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, releng@FreeBSD.org, jhb@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RC 3 Test Message-ID: <20010904173237.B10631@windriver.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 04:56:47PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > 3. The message: > "Do you want to configure inetd and simple internet services?" >=20 > leads me to believe I will be configuring other internet services, perhaps > it would be better reworded: > "Do you want to configure inetd and the internet services it invokes?" Sounds reasonable to me. > 4. For some reason, moused completely goes haywire on my machine. (It > worked on 4.3-R) > When enabling it (PS2, Intellimouse) the screen goes haywire. > On the debug screen, psmintr: out of sync (0000 !=3D 0008) appears > repeatedly. This happens when trying to invoke moused manually after the > system has been installed as well. I'm not sure if there have been any > recent changes to moused/psm drive to be causing this. I'm not aware of any recent changes here so I blame it on your OmniCube switch. I was getting that message on a 4.3 box with an OmniCube. > 5. And lastly, when configuring a NIC, it no longer asks to configure via > IPv6/DHCP. I just fixed this, thanks! > On a side note, the enter/spacebar logic has slightly changed. I'm used > to just hitting an enter a second time when the Distributions screen pops > up. Now, you must scroll up to Exit and hit enter. Doing what I did > before results in sysinstall asking to install the ports tree however many > times you do it wrong. Hate mail can be sent to : Eric Melville c/o ClickArray Networks Inc. 5671 Santa Teresa Blvd. San Jose, CA 95123=20 ;) - Murray --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7lXKktNcQog5FH30RAgzsAJ4vl9ZwSDEjN383lIK8khd6H07PzQCgyKOT gugql1vRl2lSzVnMp+Leq14= =Z/YB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 17:27: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from funnel.cisco.com (funnel.cisco.com [161.44.131.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B2437B405; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (bmcgover-pc.cisco.com [161.44.149.69]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA02103; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f850Nkw37560; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 20:23:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Message-Id: <200109050023.f850Nkw37560@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> To: John Baldwin Cc: Chern Lee , releng@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com Subject: Re: RC 3 Test In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 04 Sep 2001 17:14:12 PDT." Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 20:23:46 -0400 From: "Brian J. McGovern" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmm, I bet I know why. sysinstall wants the servers in a Servers/ directory, > and the PC-98 servers in some other directory, but the XFree86 build-bindist > script doesn't do that. Grrr, very frustating that they don't commit > everything (like the magical extract binary) but rely on vil undoc magic to > do the last bits. *sigh* Isn't this why Release Engineers, like myself, have jobs? ;) -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Sep 4 17:38:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA1437B405; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id BA2714B65E; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 17:44:03 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Chern Lee Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, releng@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RC 3 Test Message-ID: <20010904174403.A10706@windriver.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from chern@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 04:56:47PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 04:56:47PM -0700, Chern Lee wrote: > 3. The message: > "Do you want to configure inetd and simple internet services?" How about : "Do you want to configure inetd and the network services that it provides?" These services aren't strictly for the Internet. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Sep 5 15:34:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16FF37B405; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f85MYOX21098; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:34:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.sentex.net (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5av) with ESMTP id f85MY9921090; Wed, 5 Sep 2001 18:34:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010905183253.039b5fa8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 18:34:08 -0400 To: "David E. Cross" From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/lib/libc/rpc svc_tcp.c svc_unix.c Cc: re@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200109052229.f85MTNJ32998@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, How would it be best to test this, and is it in the RC being rolled right now? ---Mike At 03:29 PM 9/5/2001 -0700, David E. Cross wrote: >dec 2001/09/05 15:29:23 PDT > > Modified files: (Branch: RELENG_4) > lib/libc/rpc svc_tcp.c svc_unix.c > Log: > Submitted by: > Reviewed by: > Approved by: > Obtained from: > MFC after: N/A, -CURRENT no longer uses this code > The patch in 1.28.2.1 was in error. It used FD_ZERO on the fds (fdset) > structure, but this is a dunamically allocated array that is only as > big as it needs to be. The result of calling FD_ZERO on it would be that > it would either overwrite random data in the data-segment, happen to > be just the right size and work correctly, or not zero out all of the > data it was supposed to. The first case is far more likely (and damaging). > > This code has been in extensive testing here. And was approved by the > release engineers for this last minute push. > > Revision Changes Path > 1.18.2.3 +2 -2 src/lib/libc/rpc/Attic/svc_tcp.c > 1.7.2.2 +2 -2 src/lib/libc/rpc/Attic/svc_unix.c > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Sep 6 17:25:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F82137B403 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 17:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f870Pg638197 for freebsd-qa@freebsd.org; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.sentex.net (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.5av) with ESMTP id f870Pc938189 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:25:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010906202456.02ed4480@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:25:37 -0400 To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: mirror of 4.4rc4 ISO image available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If the regular mirrors are slow or do not have the ISO yet, I have made a copy available at http://coal2.sentex.ca/4.4rc4-install.iso and ftp://coal2.sentex.ca/4.4rc4-install.iso I allocated 10Mb/s of outbound bandwidth. MD5 on my server shows coal2# md5 4.4rc4-install.iso MD5 (4.4rc4-install.iso) = f947cff315c91e40bf80f6c46c394e77 ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Sep 6 20:59:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from web13404.mail.yahoo.com (web13404.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F22E37B407 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20010907035921.87887.qmail@web13404.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.80.209.132] by web13404.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2001 20:59:21 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Clayton Wagar Reply-To: clayton@wagar.com Subject: 4.4 RC4 i386 ISO mirror To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: qa@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Sorry if this ends up being a triple dupe, local ISP mail relay is either very slow or not working...) For those of you on the east cost, or netwise closer, another i386 ISO only mirror: http://www.beartown.org HTTP only. No current bandwidth limitations, although we will keep an eye on that. Located in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. Please use respectfully. Feedback to freebsd@beartown.org. /Clayton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message