From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 4: 0:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tao.org.uk (genesis.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECD237B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 04:00:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@tao.org.uk) Received: by tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id E7C2B4AC; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:00:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 12:00:28 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: "David W . Chapman Jr ." Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: modules patch Message-ID: <20010429120027.B77114@tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , "David W . Chapman Jr ." , stable@freebsd.org References: <01042823075601.70333@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01042823075601.70333@dwcjr.inethouston.net>; from dwcjr@inethouston.net on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:07:56PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:07:56PM -0500, David W . Chapman Jr . wrote: > I'm kinda new to this, but just wondering if I am correct in this. Feedb= ack=20 > is appreciated I'd put it here instead: @@ -5228,6 +5228,7 @@ sys_dev_advansys src/sys/dev/advansys sys_dev_aic7xxx src/sys/dev/aic7xxx sys_dev_an src/sys/dev/an +sys_dev_bktr src/sys/dev/bktr sys_dev_ccd src/sys/dev/ccd sys_dev_en src/sys/dev/en sys_dev_kbd src/sys/dev/kbd There appear to be some src/sys/dev/ bits that are just under their name, but the majority of them are defined as sys_dev_mumble. I assume that defining mumble on it's own would usually pull out any user-land bits that there are for the driver. Do you need this? Or is it just for completeness sake? Joe >=20 > begin 644 modules.patch > M/R!M;V1U;&5S+G!A=3D&-H"DEN9&5X.B!M;V1U;&5S"CT]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] > M/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T]/3T] > M/3T]/3T]/3T*4D-3(&9I;&4Z("]H;VUE+VYC=3DG,O0U934D]/5"]M;V1U;&5S > M+'8* M,"!M;V1U;&5S"BTM+2!M;V1U;&5S"3(P,#$O,#0O,C@@,C,Z-#(Z,3<),2XS > M,#0P"BLK*R!M;V1U;&5S"3(P,#$O,#0O,CD@,#0Z,# M("LT-30L-R!`0`H@8FLR M8V]N=3D@EP;W)T7-U > M=3D&EL M>`EP;W)T K8FQA8VME;F5D"B!B;&%C:VIA8VL)<&]R=3D',O9V%M97,O8FQA8VMJ86-K"F,O > ` > end >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrr9EsACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaB7ACgl0K5bbnq7NK8Hb0sTS5IbGyC Q/YAnjS4p1EmbHq7OF9lICDSbRYIHJK3 =NFFt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Yylu36WmvOXNoKYn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 5:18:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8E637B43C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:18:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sven.huster@mailsurf.com) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.com by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14tq9Z-00019d-02; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:18:17 +0200 Received: from venus.mailsurf.com (320051988339-0001@[62.158.241.115]) by fmrl06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14tq9W-23kJg8C; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:18:14 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010429141432.02849eb0@mx01.mailsurf.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:18:48 +0200 To: Brian Dean From: Sven Huster Subject: Re: diskless startup again Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010426114534.A20360@vger.bsdhome.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010426162542.02e1bec0@mx01.mailsurf.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010425105221.02657d00@mx01.mailsurf.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010425105221.02657d00@mx01.mailsurf.com> <20010425225249.B54548@vger.bsdhome.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010426162542.02e1bec0@mx01.mailsurf.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Sender: 320051988339-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 17:45 26.04.2001, Brian Dean wrote: >*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* >On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:38:56PM +0200, Sven Huster wrote: > > ok, i did get the thing with diskless_mount, now ok. > > but diskless_mount is set in rc.diskless1, i think, and so not changeable > > in std config files (like rc.conf, but this will be copied in rc.diskless1) > > so i am not sure what to do. > >In /etc/rc, rc.diskless1 is executed and defaults diskless_mount to >rc.diskless2. By the time execution gets back to /etc/rc, the >/conf/*/etc overrides have been installed. It is at that point that >the rc.conf files are sourced. So, on a per host or network basis, >you can override diskless_mount to point to whatever you desire. sorry, i didnt recognize that rc.conf is included after rc.diskless1 is executed. so i put my local daemon setup in a other script run by rc via diskless_mount. one thing additional: if i start my diskless machine the hostname is already set, cause option host-name is included in my dhcpd.conf. shouldn't a hostname specific section exist in /conf maybe like for i in default ${bootp_ipbca} ${bootp_ipa} `hostname`; do if [ -d /conf/${i}/etc ]; then cp -Rp /conf/${i}/etc/* /etc fi done regards Sven Huster Senior IT Systems Administrator *BSD, Linux, Solaris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 5:18:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [195.94.90.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388A037B43C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:18:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from t.seck@ndh.net) Received: from basildon (port2048.duesseldorf.ndh.net [195.227.37.48]) by public.ndh.com (8.9.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA17575 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:18:43 +0200 (MET DST) Envelope-to: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from tmseck by basildon with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tpsL-000081-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:00:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:00:29 +0200 From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE kernel freeze(message dumped by ahc driver?) Message-ID: <20010429140029.A460@basildon> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AEB08BD.BD686DBE@home.com> <200104281851.f3SIpG103311@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104281851.f3SIpG103311@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 11:50:42AM -0700 Organization: private site in Germany X-PGP-KeyID: DF46EE05 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Apr 28 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <3AEB08BD.BD686DBE@home.com>, cjm88@home.com writes: > > I have seen similar messages on adaptec hardware. It was quite mystifying > > because at first I thought there might > [edited] > > I'm not sure whether this is relevant or not. My problem when I had it > appeared to be different. > > You may want to take a look at the following, > > http://www.scsifaq.org/dev_probs.html I will have a look at it, thank you for the pointer. > When I purchased my PIII/933 on an ASUS CUSL2-C motherboard about 2-3 > weeks ago, replacing an aging P120, my system would on occasion hang. > There were no messages to syslog. I was able to reproduce it almost at > will with a lot of I/O to my Zip 100 drive, though any amount of I/O to > any drive on the SCSI bus would randomly produce the hang. Then I > discovered the URL above. Not wanting to spend $$$ on a new PCI SCSI > adapter, fiddled around with the BIOS settings, finally disabling the > PCI 2.1 in the BIOS, which I assume limits the MB to the PCI 2.0 > protocol. Since disabling the PCI 2.1 setting in the BIOS I've > experienced no hangs. The system's been extremely stable. Maybe this will help too. I will examine on wednesday, whether the box of my PR has "survived" the long weekend (labour day in Germany). I am still not quite sure, whether the problem had been triggered by Justins driver MFCs; I did upgrade the box too early to 4.3. Regards, Thomas Seck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 5:18:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from public.ndh.com (public.ndh.net [195.94.90.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C01E37B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from t.seck@ndh.net) Received: from basildon (port2048.duesseldorf.ndh.net [195.227.37.48]) by public.ndh.com (8.9.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA17580 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Envelope-to: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from tmseck by basildon with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tpyZ-00008D-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:06:55 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:06:55 +0200 From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE kernel freeze(message dumped by ahc driver?) Message-ID: <20010429140655.B460@basildon> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010429002918.4C85.UEDA@netforest.co.jp> <20010428184647.A807@basildon> <20010429025238.09E8.UEDA@netforest.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010429025238.09E8.UEDA@netforest.co.jp>; from ueda@netforest.co.jp on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 03:00:39AM +0900 Organization: private site in Germany X-PGP-KeyID: DF46EE05 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Apr 29 2001, UEDA Hiroyuki wrote: > Thanks for your reply. > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:46:47 +0200 > Thomas Seck wrote: > ; > > > I used FreeBSD 4.3-RC(1), and cvsuped with RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE on > > > 27th Apr, did make world, make kernel, and then reboot on 28th. I > > > thought there was no problem, but 1 day later, kernel logged following > ; > > I have a PR open (kern/26880, unexpected busfree errors), cocerning > > similar problems with an Adaptec 19160 and Quantum Atlas V discs. > > Let's see what Justin T. Gibbs says about it. > > I have checked your PR. Yes, my SCSI card is Adaptec AHA-2940U, but > the HDD is made by IBM... Have you never seen such messages after > updating HDD firmware ? If so, I will try to update HDD firmware(but I > think it's dangerous for me...). I looked at the URL but (not being an SCSI expert) deducted from the files I found there, that I already run the latest firmware. Upgrading the firmware would be a new experience for me, too (I hope I do not have to :-) We do have a spare 2940U2W lying around somewhere, maybe I replace the 19160 with it to see whether the disks or the adaptor cause the problem. Regards, Thomas Seck To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 7: 3:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.noos.fr (lafontaine.noos.net [212.198.2.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7DF37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b;chesneau@noos.fr) Received: (qmail 16820175 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2001 14:03:49 -0000 Received: from e175.dhcp212-198-153.noos.fr (HELO benoituiylkeg9) ([212.198.153.175]) (envelope-sender ) by lafontaine.noos.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Apr 2001 14:03:49 -0000 From: "Benoit Chesneau" To: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: unsuscribe.... Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 15:55:44 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It is the second time I try to unsuscribe to the mailing-list and It seems that my unsuscribtion is not yet registered.... Someone can check this function and unsuscribe me.... Benīt Chesneau. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 7:30:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DAF37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:30:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from atom.quanta.ca ([24.201.58.19]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GCK5MA03.DVX for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:10 -0400 Received: from videotron.ca ([192.168.56.40]) by atom.quanta.ca (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id f3TEU8gM006580 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEC256F.9040105@videotron.ca> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:30:07 -0400 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.3-Stable, serial terminals problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am having problems with the serial terminals on my i386 4.3-Stable machine. I was running on 3.4 and just upgraded to 4. Since the upgrade, my terminals are screwed. To get a proper login prompt, I had to modify gettytab to force unbuffered output (ub). The prompt is ok now but once I log on, everything is screwed again. I tried in 300 bps to check if there was any communication problems and I am still missing a lot of chars. (When I say screwed, I mean it looks like it is missing a lot of chars. I don't get garbage) I am having the very same problem with my alpha machine. Is there a way to disable buffered output once logged? I checked stty man page and could not find anything that could help in there. Hardware flow control are working fine. Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 8: 7:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.harmonic.co.il (jupiter.harmonic.co.il [192.116.140.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 050EB37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roman@mail.harmonic.co.il) Received: by mail.harmonic.co.il (Postfix, from userid 1137) id 39E3C72; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:10:07 +0300 (IDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harmonic.co.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0DE13; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:10:07 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:10:06 +0300 (IDT) From: Roman Shterenzon To: Mike Tancsa Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: compiling PPTPGRE help ?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010425091956.03fc4d00@marble.sentex.ca> Message-ID: <20010429180831.O49471-100000@mail.harmonic.co.il> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG And on a recent system, nothing has to be compiled into the kernel, it's all available as a kld. I'll make a ADSL (PPTP) HOWTO available soon, I'll ask someone who has account on http://people.freebsd.org/ to host it, since I don't have a sufficient bandwidth place where I can post it. On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 06:33 PM 4/21/01 -0400, Brent wrote: > >whats "mpd " ? > > See /usr/ports/net/mpd-netgraph. (e.g. PPTP) > > ---Mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 8:15:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bsdhome.dyndns.org (unknown [24.25.2.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3157937B42C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 08:15:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from vger.bsdhome.com (vger [192.168.220.2]) by bsdhome.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3TFFQJ73939; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: (from bsd@localhost) by vger.bsdhome.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3TFFQx48158; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:15:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsd) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 11:15:25 -0400 From: Brian Dean To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-Stable, serial terminals problem Message-ID: <20010429111525.B47740@vger.bsdhome.com> References: <3AEC256F.9040105@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AEC256F.9040105@videotron.ca>; from nospam@videotron.ca on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:30:07AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:30:07AM -0400, tcn wrote: > Since the upgrade, my terminals are screwed. To get a proper login > prompt, I had to modify gettytab to force unbuffered output (ub). The > prompt is ok now but once I log on, everything is screwed again. I > tried in 300 bps to check if there was any communication problems and I > am still missing a lot of chars. (When I say screwed, I mean it looks > like it is missing a lot of chars. I don't get garbage) I am having > the very same problem with my alpha machine. The behaviour is inidicative of hardware flow not being enabled for the session. Try adding "hw:" to the end of your gettytab entry to turn it on. See gettytab(5) for the complete list of controlling options. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 10:49:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net [129.250.36.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB2037B449 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:49:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@ghur.net) Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14tvJu-0000ww-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:49:18 +0000 Received: from [63.180.70.228] (helo=rover) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with asmtp (110210324) id 14tvJt-0000bP-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:49:18 +0000 From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: Subject: Millie broken in 4.3 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:49:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've noticed a bug that appears to have recently cropped up If you attempt to play a card that puts you over 700 milestones it produces this error. puts you over -1077938556 Looks like an uninitialized int, though looking at through cvsweb, looks like nobody has made a change in a long time, so maybe I'm just noticing it for the first time. Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 10:59:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC1D37B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3THx5308983; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: b@FreeBSD.ORG;, chesneau@noos.fr;; Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unsuscribe.... In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010429105905R.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:59:05 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nobody on this list can help you - you need to talk to the postmaster. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 13:52:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B0D37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:52:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 300) id 67A9B9B10; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:52:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC395D1A; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:52:46 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:52:46 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Millie broken in 4.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Sameer R. Manek wrote: > I've noticed a bug that appears to have recently cropped up > > If you attempt to play a card that puts you over 700 milestones it produces > this error. > > puts you over -1077938556 > > Looks like an uninitialized int, though looking at through cvsweb, looks > like nobody has made a change in a long time, so maybe I'm just noticing it > for the first time. It's been broken for some time - presumably due to compiler changes, as it's a varargs bug. Try this patch: =================================================================== RCS file: /repository/src/games/mille/misc.c,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -c -r1.8 misc.c *** misc.c 1999/12/12 06:17:24 1.8 --- misc.c 2001/04/29 20:50:32 *************** *** 65,71 **** va_start(arg, str); stdscr = Score; ! mvprintw(ERR_Y, ERR_X, str, arg); va_end(arg); clrtoeol(); putchar('\07'); --- 65,72 ---- va_start(arg, str); stdscr = Score; ! move(ERR_Y, ERR_X); ! vw_printw(stdscr, str, arg); va_end(arg); clrtoeol(); putchar('\07'); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 14: 8:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA57A37B440 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14tyQJ-0001OZ-00 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:08:07 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: Exim 3.22 segfaults under 4.3-STABLE Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:07:34 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Got a problem with Exim 3.22 here, built from a freshly cvsup'ed ports collection. All attempts at starting it are met with: Segmentation fault. Apr 30 09:01:47 lists /kernel: pid 86382 (exim), uid 0: exited on signal 11 This is with simple configure files that work on other boxes running 4.2-STABLE and Exim 3.20. I commented out the lines that build X in the port Makefile: # If WITHOUT_X11 is not defined, the eximon monitor, which requires X, will # be built. Comment it out unless you have or want XFree86 installed! #.if !defined(WITHOUT_X11) #USE_XLIB= yes #.endif No compiler opts, and Exim built without errors. One difference is that the segfaulting version of Exim is linked against the re-entrant version of libc: # ldd /usr/local/sbin/exim /usr/local/sbin/exim: libcrypt.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcrypt.so.2 (0x280d9000) libwrap.so.3 => /usr/lib/libwrap.so.3 (0x280ee000) libperl.so.3 => /usr/lib/libperl.so.3 (0x280f6000) libm.so.2 => /usr/lib/libm.so.2 (0x28194000) libc.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc.so.4 (0x281b0000) libc_r.so.4 => /usr/lib/libc_r.so.4 (0x28248000) libutil.so.3 => /usr/lib/libutil.so.3 (0x282fe000) ... whereas the working ones aren't. I ran ktrace/kdump, and this is what it shows towards the end when the program segfaults: ###################################################################### # REWRITE CONFIGURATION # ###################################################################### # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file. # End of Exim configuration file " 80123 exim RET read 5728/0x1660 80123 exim CALL read(0x5,0x80dc000,0x2000) 80123 exim GIO fd 5 read 0 bytes "" 80123 exim RET read 0 80123 exim CALL close(0x5) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL geteuid 80123 exim RET geteuid 0 80123 exim CALL stat(0x2822b428,0xbfbff350) 80123 exim NAMI "/etc/spwd.db" 80123 exim RET stat 0 80123 exim CALL open(0x2822b428,0,0) 80123 exim NAMI "/etc/spwd.db" 80123 exim RET open 5 80123 exim CALL fcntl(0x5,0x2,0x1) 80123 exim RET fcntl 0 80123 exim CALL read(0x5,0x80dc000,0x104) 80123 exim GIO fd 5 read 260 bytes "\0\^F\^Ua\0\0\0\^B\0\0\^D\M-R\0\0\^P\0\0\0\0\f\0\0\^A\0\0\0\^A\0\0\0\0\b\0\ 0\0\^C\0\0\0\^B\0\0\0\a\0\0\0\^O\0\0\0\a\0\0\ \0 \0\0\08\0\0\0\^A\M^Un}\M-c\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\^D\0\0\0\^D\0\0\0\0 \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\ \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\ \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\^X\^A\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0 \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\ \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0" 80123 exim RET read 260/0x104 80123 exim CALL lseek(0x5,0,0x4000,0,0) 80123 exim RET lseek 16384/0x4000 80123 exim CALL read(0x5,0x80dd000,0x1000) 80123 exim GIO fd 5 read 4096 bytes Whole lot of '\0\'s snipped, plus what looks like the contents of /etc/passwd 80123 exim RET read 4096/0x1000 80123 exim CALL close(0x5) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL close(0xffffffff) 80123 exim RET close -1 errno 9 Bad file descriptor 80123 exim CALL close(0) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL close(0x1) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL close(0x2) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL getppid 80123 exim RET getppid 33787/0x83fb 80123 exim CALL fork 80123 exim RET fork 80124/0x138fc 80123 exim CALL sigprocmask(0x1,0x280cfb80,0xbfbff1c0) 80123 exim RET sigprocmask 0 80123 exim CALL sigprocmask(0x3,0x280cfb90,0) 80123 exim RET sigprocmask 0 80123 exim CALL setitimer(0x2,0xbfbff1e0,0) 80123 exim RET setitimer 0 80123 exim CALL close(0x3) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL close(0x4) 80123 exim RET close 0 80123 exim CALL fcntl(0,0x3,0) 80123 exim RET fcntl -1 errno 9 Bad file descriptor 80123 exim PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL Have asked about this on the Exim list as well... any help would be most welcome. -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 14:26:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399F337B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:26:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3TLQnQ39813; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:26:49 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:26:49 +1200 (NZST) From: Dan Langille X-Sender: dan@lists.unixathome.org To: Juha Saarinen Cc: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: Re: Exim 3.22 segfaults under 4.3-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Got a problem with Exim 3.22 here, built from a freshly cvsup'ed ports > collection. All attempts at starting it are met with: > > Segmentation fault. > > Apr 30 09:01:47 lists /kernel: pid 86382 (exim), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > > This is with simple configure files that work on other boxes running > 4.2-STABLE and Exim 3.20. I just built and installed and ran it. no problems. # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/exim.sh start exim[root@xeon:/usr/local/etc/exim] # ps auwx | grep exim root 38162 0.0 0.7 2260 1356 ?? Ss 9:24AM 0:00.01 /usr/local/sbin/exim -bd -q30m This is exim 3.22 under 4.3-stable. X is installed on the box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 14:29:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61D637B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:29:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14tykz-0001P9-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:29:29 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Dan Langille" Cc: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: Exim 3.22 segfaults under 4.3-STABLE Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:28:56 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I just built and installed and ran it. no problems. :: :: # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/exim.sh start :: exim[root@xeon:/usr/local/etc/exim] # ps auwx | grep exim :: root 38162 0.0 0.7 2260 1356 ?? Ss 9:24AM 0:00.01 :: /usr/local/sbin/exim -bd -q30m :: :: This is exim 3.22 under 4.3-stable. X is installed on the box. Thanks for trying that. Guess I'll have to repeat the build with X as well. Can't see how that would matter, but... -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 14:42:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDA637B423; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:42:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Linux@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3TLgDw85926; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:42:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:42:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: Spontanous reboot of SMP system and FBSD 4.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sirs. One of our server systems, a TYAN Thunder 2500 ServerWorks Set III HE based dual PIII based machine with AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and 2GB RAM seems to reboot spontanously without any reason. This is the first time I realise this without having APM enabled into the kernel, which has been detected to be a reason for spontanous reboots on boards without APM to us. Well, in the time this machine rebooted itself there was no load, no extraordinary activity or heavy load. I realised this this morning checking the logs. Several days ago someone asked in the list for stability issues concerning SMP on several architectures and I responded that our TYAN Thunder 2500 based boards have run for a long time. I think I have to revise this statement. I hope it is a simple problem with the kernel config because the selected hardware, power supplies and UPS system we use is first choice for this system and showed no problems before. Does anyone know, whether the kernel options AUTO_EOI1 and AUTO_EOI2 do have serious impacts on stability? On this machine we configured kernel with both options "ON" and have had no problems within the last 9 months. I know that many system boards do not work with both options set, but the TYAN Thunder 2500 seems to do - but could this be the reason for spontanous reboots? Please help, all hints a tips are appreciated. I add the dmesg output of the system here: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #74: Thu Apr 26 21:25:13 CEST 2001 root@atmos.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATMOS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193094 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (868.57-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x387fbff real memory = 2147483648 (2097152K bytes) avail memory = 2087288832 (2038368K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #1 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 io1 (APIC): apic id: 3, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec01000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03d8000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard IOAPIC #1 intpin 13 -> irq 2 IOAPIC #1 intpin 12 -> irq 16 IOAPIC #1 intpin 14 -> irq 17 IOAPIC #1 intpin 7 -> irq 18 IOAPIC #1 intpin 0 -> irq 19 pci0: on pcib0 pcib3: at device 0.1 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 1 -> irq 20 pci1: on pcib3 pci1: at 0.0 irq 20 sym0: <896> port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff,0xfeafac00-0xfeafafff irq 2 at device 1.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: <896> port 0xf400-0xf4ff mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafdfff,0xfeafa800-0xfeafabff irq 16 at device 1.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, SE, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. pcm0: port 0xfcc0-0xfcff irq 17 at device 2.0 on pci0 pcib5: at device 3.0 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 2 -> irq 21 pci2: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 0.0 on pci2 pci3: on pcib6 amr0: mem 0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 19 at device 0.0 on pci3 amr0: Firmware C158, BIOS 3.11, 64MB RAM pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 1.0 irq 20 pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 2.0 irq 21 fxp0: port 0xfc40-0xfc7f mem 0xfe900000-0xfe9fffff,0xfeaf9000-0xfeaf9fff irq 18 at device 7.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:00:f0:d7 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 15.1 pci0: at 15.2 irq 19 pcib1: on motherboard pci4: on pcib1 pcib2: on motherboard pci5: on pcib2 pcib4: on motherboard pci6: on pcib4 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 drq 1 flags 0x8 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: Broken MP table detected: 8254 is not connected to IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 and IOAPIC #0 intpin 0 DUMMYNET initialized (010124) IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. Waiting 4 seconds for SCSI devices to settle (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. amrd0: on amr0 amrd0: 245014MB (501788672 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal) SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! sa0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) no devsw (majdev=0 bootdev=0xa0200000) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/amrd0s1a cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16) cd0: cd present [329963 x 2048 byte records] ch0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 1 ch0: Removable Changer SCSI-2 device ch0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) ch0: 6 slots, 1 drive, 0 pickers, 0 portals WARNING: / was not properly dismounted link_elf: symbol splash_register undefined fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled arp: runt packet arp: runt packet Thanks in advance, Oliver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 16:11:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cicero1.cybercity.dk (cicero1.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CBBA37B43E for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hroi@asdf.dk) Received: from usr00.cybercity.dk (usr00.cybercity.dk [212.242.40.34]) by cicero1.cybercity.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8FC15FD4F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:11:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from asdf.dk (port18.ds1-noe.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.52.19]) by usr00.cybercity.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA26735; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:11:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hroi@asdf.dk) Message-ID: <3AEC9FA0.E02B2AD4@asdf.dk> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:11:28 +0200 From: Hroi Sigurdsson Organization: Expert Knob Twiddlers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Chesneau <"b;chesneau"@noos.fr;>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unsuscribe.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Benoit Chesneau wrote: > It is the second time I try to unsuscribe to the mailing-list and It seems > that my unsuscribtion is not yet registered.... Someone can check this > function and unsuscribe me.... Read the below lines. It seems you are failing to spell "unsubscribe" right. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Another reason you might be unable to unsubscribe is the fact that your email address as stated in the From-line of your email is invalid. -- Hroi Sigurdsson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 18:13:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565B737B42C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3U1DH842807 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:13:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.18) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma042794; Mon, 30 Apr 01 11:13:10 +1000 Received: from localhost (carl@localhost) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U1D9T52801 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:13:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: newton.aipo.gov.au: carl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:13:08 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin X-X-Sender: To: Subject: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Is anyone else having problems checking out the RELENG_4_3 branch? I'm trying to both checkout manually, and generate a release using the "-r RELENG_4_3" tag and it hangs, finally failing with a "write failed" for a file within the (readonly) repository. Checkouts of RELENG_4 work fine. Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 18:20:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62B4437B43C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 19372 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Apr 2001 01:20:45 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:20:45 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: Carl Makin Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 Message-ID: <20010429212045.B19121@databits.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:13:08AM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ++ 30/04/01 11:13 +1000 - Carl Makin: | | Hi! | | Is anyone else having problems checking out the RELENG_4_3 branch? | Nope: tol [40] % cvs co -r'RELENG_4_3' src/Makefile U src/Makefile tol [41] % echo $CVSROOT :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs tol [42] % -pete -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 18:42:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7E037B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3U1g2Z44984; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:42:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.18) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma044949; Mon, 30 Apr 01 11:41:32 +1000 Received: from localhost (carl@localhost) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U1fVc12128; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:41:32 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: newton.aipo.gov.au: carl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:41:29 +1000 (EST) From: Carl Makin X-X-Sender: To: Pete Fritchman Cc: Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 In-Reply-To: <20010429212045.B19121@databits.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Pete, On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Pete Fritchman wrote: > ++ 30/04/01 11:13 +1000 - Carl Makin: > | Is anyone else having problems checking out the RELENG_4_3 branch? > Nope: > tol [40] % cvs co -r'RELENG_4_3' src/Makefile > U src/Makefile > tol [41] % echo $CVSROOT > :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs Hmmm, thanks. I'm using a local copy of the cvs tree sourced via ctm, so it's entirely possible my environment is hosed. I'll look into it further! Thanks for checking... Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 18:53:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC0437B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id SAA23836; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:52:13 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda23834; Sun Apr 29 18:51:55 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f3U1poj01320; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdop1316; Sun Apr 29 18:50:57 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f3U1ovm03188; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104300150.f3U1ovm03188@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdgF3184; Sun Apr 29 18:50:06 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Carl Makin Cc: Pete Fritchman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:41:29 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:50:06 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Carl Makin writes: > > Hi Pete, > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Pete Fritchman wrote: > > > ++ 30/04/01 11:13 +1000 - Carl Makin: > > > | Is anyone else having problems checking out the RELENG_4_3 branch? > > > Nope: > > > tol [40] % cvs co -r'RELENG_4_3' src/Makefile > > U src/Makefile > > tol [41] % echo $CVSROOT > > :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs > > Hmmm, thanks. I'm using a local copy of the cvs tree sourced via ctm, so > it's entirely possible my environment is hosed. > > I'll look into it further! > > Thanks for checking... Just add "RELENG_4_3 y" to your val-tags file within the CVSROOT directory of your repository or make the file world writable. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 18:53:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web11208.mail.yahoo.com (web11208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 337AD37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e_chelon@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010430015353.29787.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.252.144.24] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:53:53 PDT Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: echelon Subject: (Urgent, please) How to cvsup to 4.3 Beta from 4.3 Stable? To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have pppoe problem with 4.3 stable on my internet gateway after cvsuped from 4.3 beta to 4.3 stable. My gateway can't connect to ISP via DSL. Please let me know how can I switch back to 4.3 beta's source tree? Thanks -echelon __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 19:36:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poontang.schulte.org (poontang.schulte.org [209.134.156.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF6937B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christopher@schulte.org) Received: from TARMAP.schulte.org (tarmap.schulte.org [209.134.156.198]) by poontang.schulte.org (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id f3U2aL7Z013888; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:36:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010429213439.00ab7fe8@pop.schulte.org> X-Sender: schulte@pop.schulte.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:36:06 -0500 To: echelon , FreeBSD From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: (Urgent, please) How to cvsup to 4.3 Beta from 4.3 Stable? In-Reply-To: <20010430015353.29787.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 06:53 PM 4/29/2001 -0700, echelon wrote: >Please let me know how can I switch back to 4.3 beta's >source tree? `man cvsup` and search for the date keyword. >Thanks > >-echelon -- Christopher Schulte Finger for PGP key, or for UNIX impaired: http://noc.schulte.org/cgi-bin/noc/finger.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:25:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D5937B42C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U4PAG69966 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:25:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:25:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Subject: tail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG awww# tail / . .. dev usr varstand etc) compat$procu% binbootuC sys mnt( modulesrootusbinuC sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC ,tmp modules.ollibexec home7 kernel.old5x sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS syslogd.coreawww# wtf? Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:30:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DDD37B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:30:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u5KQ-0001lo-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:30:30 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:29:58 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Same here, on 4.2-STABLE: bash-2.04$ tail / . .. dev=data1[homez usr var.stand1 etcnproc bin :: JEAH Communications, LLC. :: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> :: :: :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message :: :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:32: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681EC37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr.inethouston.net (unknown [216.118.21.153]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3735A10F40F; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:32:04 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David W.Chapman Jr. To: "Juha Saarinen" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: Re: tail Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:32:04 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01042923320407.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has it ever been different, have you tried running cat / its just taking the last few lines of that. What are you expecting? On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:29, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Same here, on 4.2-STABLE: > > bash-2.04$ tail / > > . > .. > dev=data1[homez > usr > var.stand1 > etcnproc > bin mnt > zmodulesroot.sbinO > tmpD > > sy.cshr.profileECOPYRIGHTkernel.GENERICkernelH > compatG > kernel.oldAo > modules.oldOvinum0 > =vinum1data2Odata3~ > > n > slogfzshlibbash-2.04$ > > :: -----Original Message----- > :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Byrnes > :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:25 > :: To: stable@freebsd.org > :: Subject: tail > :: > :: > :: awww# tail / > :: > :: . > :: .. > :: dev > :: usr > :: varstand > :: etc) > :: compat$procu% > :: binbootuC > :: > :: sys > :: mnt( > :: modulesrootusbinuC > :: > :: sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC > :: ,tmp > :: modules.ollibexec > :: home7 > :: kernel.old5x > :: sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS > :: > :: syslogd.coreawww# > :: > :: > :: wtf? > :: > :: > :: > :: > :: Chris Byrnes > :: JEAH Communications, LLC. > :: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> > :: > :: > :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:32:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poontang.schulte.org (poontang.schulte.org [209.134.156.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E6737B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:32:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christopher@schulte.org) Received: from TARMAP.schulte.org (tarmap.schulte.org [209.134.156.198]) by poontang.schulte.org (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id f3U4WT7Z018321; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010429232808.00b3ee58@pop.schulte.org> X-Sender: schulte@pop.schulte.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:32:25 -0500 To: Chris Byrnes , From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You were expecting something different? You tail'd '/' which is a directory, or more specifically a file that lists the contents of it's sub-components. Try a `vi /` and you'll see what I mean. Just make sure you don't actually edit it. ;p At 11:25 PM 4/29/2001 -0500, Chris Byrnes wrote: >awww# tail / > >. > .. > dev > usr > varstand > etc) >compat$procu% > binbootuC > >sys > mnt( >modulesrootusbinuC > >sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC > ,tmp > modules.ollibexec >home7 >kernel.old5x sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS > >syslogd.coreawww# > > >wtf? > > > > >Chris Byrnes >JEAH Communications, LLC. >Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> -- Christopher Schulte Finger for PGP key, or for UNIX impaired: http://noc.schulte.org/cgi-bin/noc/finger.cgi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:34:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D068137B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3U4YKR04487; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:34:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f3U4YFt04478; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:34:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010430003301.01c12148@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:34:14 -0400 To: "Juha Saarinen" , "Chris Byrnes" , From: Mike Tancsa Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry, I am obviously missing something. You are doing tail on a directory entry, and what is not working as expected ?? ---Mike At 04:29 PM 4/30/2001 +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: >Same here, on 4.2-STABLE: > >bash-2.04$ tail / > >. > .. > dev=data1[homez > usr > var.stand1 > etcnproc > bin mnt >zmodulesroot.sbinO > tmpD > >sy.cshr.profileECOPYRIGHTkernel.GENERICkernelH >compatG >kernel.oldAo > modules.oldOvinum0 > =vinum1data2Odata3~ > >n >slogfzshlibbash-2.04$ > >:: -----Original Message----- >:: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG >:: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Byrnes >:: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:25 >:: To: stable@freebsd.org >:: Subject: tail >:: >:: >:: awww# tail / >:: >:: . >:: .. >:: dev >:: usr >:: varstand >:: etc) >:: compat$procu% >:: binbootuC >:: >:: sys >:: mnt( >:: modulesrootusbinuC >:: >:: sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC >:: ,tmp >:: modules.ollibexec >:: home7 >:: kernel.old5x sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS >:: >:: syslogd.coreawww# >:: >:: >:: wtf? >:: >:: >:: >:: >:: Chris Byrnes >:: JEAH Communications, LLC. >:: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> >:: >:: >:: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >:: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >:: >:: > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 21:35:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B738737B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 21:35:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3U4Z5Q44503; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:05 +1200 (NZST) From: Dan Langille X-Sender: dan@lists.unixathome.org To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > awww# tail / > > . > .. > dev [snip] tail is doing as ordered. Directories and files are the same. So it's giving you the last ten lines of the file / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22: 6: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1B937B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:05:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u5sc-0001nY-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:05:50 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "David W.Chapman Jr." , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:05:18 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01042923320407.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doesn't do that on Linux... ;-> :: -----Original Message----- :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David W.Chapman :: Jr. :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:32 :: To: Juha Saarinen; Chris Byrnes; stable@freebsd.org :: Subject: Re: tail :: :: :: Has it ever been different, have you tried running cat / :: :: its just taking the last few lines of that. What are you expecting? :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22: 8: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7C437B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U57Zg72958; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:07:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:07:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: "David W.Chapman Jr." Cc: Juha Saarinen , Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: <01042923320407.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Id expect an output of something like "Error: / is a directory" or something Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, David W.Chapman Jr. wrote: > Has it ever been different, have you tried running cat / > > its just taking the last few lines of that. What are you expecting? > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:29, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > Same here, on 4.2-STABLE: > > > > bash-2.04$ tail / > > > > . > > .. > > dev=data1[homez > > usr > > var.stand1 > > etcnproc > > bin > mnt > > zmodulesroot.sbinO > > tmpD > > > > sy.cshr.profileECOPYRIGHTkernel.GENERICkernelH > > compatG > > kernel.oldAo > > modules.oldOvinum0 > > =vinum1data2Odata3~ > > > > n > > slogfzshlibbash-2.04$ > > > > :: -----Original Message----- > > :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Byrnes > > :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:25 > > :: To: stable@freebsd.org > > :: Subject: tail > > :: > > :: > > :: awww# tail / > > :: > > :: . > > :: .. > > :: dev > > :: usr > > :: varstand > > :: etc) > > :: compat$procu% > > :: binbootuC > > :: > > :: sys > > :: mnt( > > :: modulesrootusbinuC > > :: > > :: sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC > > :: ,tmp > > :: modules.ollibexec > > :: home7 > > :: kernel.old5x > > :: sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS > > :: > > :: syslogd.coreawww# > > :: > > :: > > :: wtf? > > :: > > :: > > :: > > :: > > :: Chris Byrnes > > :: JEAH Communications, LLC. > > :: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> > > :: > > :: > > :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22: 9:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96CE37B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u5vz-0001nt-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:09:19 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" Cc: Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:08:47 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: tail is doing as ordered. Directories and files are the same. So it's :: giving you the last ten lines of the file / Tail voss only obeyink orters??? Well, it's silly to do that unthinkingly. Here's what happens on a Debian box: juha@cyrus:~$ tail / tail: /: Is a directory More desirable behaviour, IMO. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22:12:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-27.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B0937B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9DAC966DB9; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:12:33 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Dan Langille , Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010429221233.A99057@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:08:47PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:08:47PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > :: tail is doing as ordered. Directories and files are the same. So it's > :: giving you the last ten lines of the file / >=20 > Tail voss only obeyink orters??? >=20 > Well, it's silly to do that unthinkingly. Here's what happens on a Debian > box: >=20 > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > tail: /: Is a directory >=20 > More desirable behaviour, IMO. UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. Kris --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67PRAWry0BWjoQKURAvg9AJ9L+5GrZrLfx8i4KJmgFv2i+byLegCfeLtH 4tFwqh6mo0AhjK6Kct0LV6M= =k8Of -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22:15:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E72C37B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:15:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr.inethouston.net (unknown [216.118.21.153]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 04B8010F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:15:24 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David W.Chapman Jr. To: Chris Byrnes Subject: Re: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:15:23 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Juha Saarinen , References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043000152308.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG but its not, its a file, almost no other tool errors out when you try to modify a "directory" On Monday 30 April 2001 00:07, Chris Byrnes wrote: > Id expect an output of something like "Error: / is a directory" or > something > > > Chris Byrnes > JEAH Communications, LLC. > Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, David W.Chapman Jr. wrote: > > Has it ever been different, have you tried running cat / > > > > its just taking the last few lines of that. What are you expecting? > > > > On Sunday 29 April 2001 23:29, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > > Same here, on 4.2-STABLE: > > > > > > bash-2.04$ tail / > > > > > > . > > > .. > > > dev=data1[homez > > > usr > > > var.stand1 > > > etcnproc > > > bin > > mnt > > > zmodulesroot.sbinO > > > tmpD > > > > > > sy.cshr.profileECOPYRIGHTkernel.GENERICkernelH > > > compatG > > > kernel.oldAo > > > modules.oldOvinum0 > > > =vinum1data2Odata3~ > > > > > > n > > > slogfzshlibbash-2.04$ > > > > > > :: -----Original Message----- > > > :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > > :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Byrnes > > > :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:25 > > > :: To: stable@freebsd.org > > > :: Subject: tail > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: awww# tail / > > > :: > > > :: . > > > :: .. > > > :: dev > > > :: usr > > > :: varstand > > > :: etc) > > > :: compat$procu% > > > :: binbootuC > > > :: > > > :: sys > > > :: mnt( > > > :: modulesrootusbinuC > > > :: > > > :: sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC > > > :: ,tmp > > > :: > > > :: modules.ollibexec home7 > > > :: kernel.old5x > > > :: sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS > > > :: > > > :: syslogd.coreawww# > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: wtf? > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: Chris Byrnes > > > :: JEAH Communications, LLC. > > > :: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> > > > :: > > > :: > > > :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > :: with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22:15:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A185B37B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:15:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 27362 invoked by uid 100); 30 Apr 2001 05:15:53 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15084.62729.75795.555796@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:15:53 -0500 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen types: > :: tail is doing as ordered. Directories and files are the same. So it's > :: giving you the last ten lines of the file / > > Tail voss only obeyink orters??? > > Well, it's silly to do that unthinkingly. Well, yes, tail on a directory is a silly thing to do unthinkingly. But the silly one isn't tail, it's the user who issued the command without thinking. > Here's what happens on a Debian box: > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > tail: /: Is a directory > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. More proof that linux isn't Unix. On Unix, it's generally more important to make sure the user can shoot anything they want than it is to keep the user from shooting themselves in the foot. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 22:22:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A746C37B43C for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@lunabase.org) Received: from lunabase.org ([63.200.244.106]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GCL00AHFAWUKR@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praxis.lunabase.org (praxis.lunabase.org [63.200.244.110]) by lunabase.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U5M6c25040; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:06 -0700 (PDT envelope-from faber@lunabase.org) Received: (from faber@localhost) by praxis.lunabase.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U5M5Y29327; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:05 -0700 (PDT envelope-from faber) X-URL: http://www.lunabase.edu/~faber Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:22:05 -0700 From: Ted Faber Subject: Re: tail In-reply-to: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:08:47PM +1200 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Dan Langille , Chris Byrnes , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=php-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:08:47PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Well, it's silly to do that unthinkingly. Here's what happens on a Debian > box: > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > tail: /: Is a directory > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. FYI, and maybe surprisingly, you're about to start a flame war. BSD tail and related tools have been treating directories as files for *many* years. The behavior goes back to the earliest UNIX systems. It will not change, nor is it worth arguing about. If you hate the behavior, put a 2-line shell script around tail, cat, and whatever other programs you want that aborts the operation if the argument's a directory. --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67PZ9aUz3f+Zf+XsRAn2KAJsHWM84KehFC1BXevJv2eepQnEa6wCgj0ij 7YjHMPzbcY2no6cGVjRA4z4= =xC5k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23: 4:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C3337B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1DC10F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00bc01c0d13b$72b34200$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: References: Subject: Re: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:04:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm sure my mail filters can handle it, but this has been the typical practice for most programs. vi cat and a few others, ee will actually give an error, but its one of the few. You'd have to speak to some of the developers as to why it does this. > Well, most people don't, do they? You go tail /var/log/htpd > and your fat fingers hit enter instead "accesslog". If there was a point to > that behaviour, I wouldn't argue about it, but since there doesn't seem to > be any, I might just flame away for a little longer. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:21:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp.wanadoo.nl [194.134.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB9A37B423 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:21:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p150.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.200.114]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f3U6Ktq16893; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:20:51 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: dan@langille.org, chris@jeah.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-Id: <20010430082051.4d66351c.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.63cvs15 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:08:47 +1200 "Juha Saarinen" wrote: JS> More desirable behaviour, IMO. Not so. Being able to read a directory with normal tools is (on rare occasions) useful - diagnosing a mess if nothing else. Being unable to do so brings no useful functionality it just looks prettier. -- Optimal hardware acceleration for Windows PC (Mac). 9.81 m/s/s applied for (at least) 2s followed by impact with solid object. Optimal software upgrade FreeBSD (OS-X). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B13C737B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 29029 invoked by uid 100); 30 Apr 2001 06:30:32 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15085.1672.680397.456359@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:30:32 -0500 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Mike Meyer" , "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: <15084.62729.75795.555796@guru.mired.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen types: > :: Well, yes, tail on a directory is a silly thing to do unthinkingly. > :: But the silly one isn't tail, it's the user who issued the command > :: without thinking. > So the butter-fingered luser must be punished? Having to live with the consequences of their own buttery fingers is punishment enough. Running tail on a file that's not ascii text - whether it's a directory, a binary, or something else - usually does strange things to the terminal, which will do. > :: More proof that linux isn't Unix. > :: > :: On Unix, it's generally more important to make sure the user can shoot > :: anything they want than it is to keep the user from shooting > :: themselves in the foot. > In that case, tail should cause a kernel panic if you try to run it on a > directory. If you really want to wallow in pendantry, please remember that > "shooting yourself in the foot" isn't the right metaphor in this context. Considering that it's the result of being butter-fingered, it seems highly appropriate. The real issue is why should a command raise an error for no good reason. Either a kernel panic or a message is a bit extreme just because a user issued a command that someone else thinks is unusual. Until you can prove that there is no use for the output of tail on a directory, adding code to tail to generate an error in that case is silly. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:49:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flint.asdis.com (flint.asdis.com [212.222.145.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9530237B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mib@asdis.de) Received: from sarek.itp.asdis.de ([10.63.192.115] helo=asdis.de) by flint.asdis.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14u7Uq-000FoB-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:49:24 +0200 Received: by asdis.de (Smail-3.2.0.102asdis 1998-Aug-2 #7) id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:49:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.1.20010430084402.03e01d50@pop3.itp.asdis.de> X-Sender: mib@pop3.itp.asdis.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:49:21 +0200 To: echelon , FreeBSD From: Martin Ibert Subject: Re: (Urgent, please) How to cvsup to 4.3 Beta from 4.3 Stable? In-Reply-To: <20010430015353.29787.qmail@web11208.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Please let me know how can I switch back to 4.3 beta's >source tree? Don't! Go for RELENG_4_3 instead; PPPoE works with RELENG_4_3 as of middle= =20 of last week - I know, I use it at home. And given the nature of=20 RELENG_4_3, I'm convinced it works with the current RELENG_4_3 as well. --=20 --------------------------------------------------------------- Dipl.-Inform. Martin Ibert - phone: +49-30-20631-607, fax: -199 - ASDIS Software AG, Neue Gr=FCnstra=DFe 25, D-10179 Berlin-Mitte - ---------------- http://www.asdis.de/ -- mailto:mib@asdis.de -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:54: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148B237B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u7ZD-0001sh-01; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:55 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:23 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <15085.1672.680397.456359@guru.mired.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: The real issue is why should a command raise an error for no good :: reason. Either a kernel panic or a message is a bit extreme just :: because a user issued a command that someone else thinks is :: unusual. Until you can prove that there is no use for the output of :: tail on a directory, adding code to tail to generate an error in that :: case is silly. If you are a typist with 100% accuracy, there is of course no need for any error handling in any program. Is there any use for the the garbage tail outputs on a directory? If there is, I won't say anything else... -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:54: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72BAD37B424 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:54:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u7ZD-0001sh-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:55 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: , , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:53:23 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010430082051.4d66351c.steveo@eircom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Not so. Being able to read a directory with normal tools is (on rare :: occasions) useful - diagnosing a mess if nothing else. Being :: unable to do so :: brings no useful functionality it just looks prettier. So seeing a mess with tail/cat is useful to you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Apr 29 23:59:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6452037B422 for ; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 23:59:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 30066 invoked by uid 100); 30 Apr 2001 06:59:19 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15085.3399.399194.624320@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:59:19 -0500 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: <15085.1672.680397.456359@guru.mired.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen types: > :: The real issue is why should a command raise an error for no good > :: reason. Either a kernel panic or a message is a bit extreme just > :: because a user issued a command that someone else thinks is > :: unusual. Until you can prove that there is no use for the output of > :: tail on a directory, adding code to tail to generate an error in that > :: case is silly. > > If you are a typist with 100% accuracy, there is of course no need for any > error handling in any program. > > Is there any use for the the garbage tail outputs on a directory? If there > is, I won't say anything else... Yes, there is. If you're monitoring a programm that creates a lot of files in a previously empty directory (for example, extracting a tar file into it), then: tail -f targetdir will do the trick, though it would be better to clean up the output (cat -v, maybe). Deciding for the users what actions are an error and which aren't is a *really* nasty habit. Windows does it all to often, which is one of the reasons Windows sucks. Linux - at least some distributions - seems to have picked up the habit from Windows. Oh well. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0: 1:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E4F37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3U711309139; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: mwm@mired.org Cc: juha@saarinen.org, dan@langille.org, chris@jeah.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: <15084.62729.75795.555796@guru.mired.org> References: <15084.62729.75795.555796@guru.mired.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010430000101U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:01:01 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Meyer Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:15:53 -0500 > On Unix, it's generally more important to make sure the user can shoot > anything they want than it is to keep the user from shooting > themselves in the foot. How does that quote go, "Unix doesn't stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0: 2:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C4937B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:02:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u6fi-0001qW-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:56:34 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:56:02 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010429221233.A99057@xor.obsecurity.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a :: directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. That's just silly. Who hasn't mistakenly tailed/cat'ed a directory? I thought the "User-unfriendliness Is Cool" era was long buried. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0: 2:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165E137B42C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u6fi-0001qW-01; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:56:34 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "David W.Chapman Jr." , "Chris Byrnes" Cc: Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:56:02 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <01043000152308.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That's just silly and pedantic. Yes, a directory is a file. What's the point in printing out a screenfull of garbage then? :: -----Original Message----- :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David W.Chapman :: Jr. :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 17:15 :: To: Chris Byrnes :: Cc: Juha Saarinen; stable@freebsd.org :: Subject: Re: tail :: :: :: but its not, its a file, almost no other tool errors out when you try to :: modify a "directory" :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0: 2:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 150AF37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u6iB-0001qh-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:59:07 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:58:35 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <15084.62729.75795.555796@guru.mired.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Well, yes, tail on a directory is a silly thing to do unthinkingly. :: But the silly one isn't tail, it's the user who issued the command :: without thinking. So the butter-fingered luser must be punished? :: More proof that linux isn't Unix. :: :: On Unix, it's generally more important to make sure the user can shoot :: anything they want than it is to keep the user from shooting :: themselves in the foot. In that case, tail should cause a kernel panic if you try to run it on a directory. If you really want to wallow in pendantry, please remember that "shooting yourself in the foot" isn't the right metaphor in this context. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0: 6:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [217.27.162.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204C537B42C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E171C7D8 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5874D1C7C5 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:06:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:06:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Dan Larsson To: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Bug in sort(1) on FreeBSD-4.3 STABLE? Message-ID: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB X-NCC-NIC: DL1999-RIPE X-NCC-RegID: se.tyfon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by hq1.tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG % awk '{print $4}' /var/log/cache/access.log | sort | \ uniq -c | sort -r | head 4948 TCP_MEM_HIT/200 3963 TCP_MISS/304 3666 TCP_MISS/302 3640 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 31988 TCP_MISS/200 2973 TCP_MISS/206 2503 TCP_HIT/200 1799 TCP_MISS/000 1563 TCP_REFRESH_MISS/200 13568 TCP_IMS_HIT/304 This seems to me as some sort of bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 GPG and PGP keys | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8BAD37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 30708 invoked by uid 100); 30 Apr 2001 07:10:03 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15085.4043.481499.750988@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:10:03 -0500 To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: Bug in sort(1) on FreeBSD-4.3 STABLE? In-Reply-To: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> References: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Larsson types: > % awk '{print $4}' /var/log/cache/access.log | sort | \ > uniq -c | sort -r | head > 4948 TCP_MEM_HIT/200 > 3963 TCP_MISS/304 > 3666 TCP_MISS/302 > 3640 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 > 31988 TCP_MISS/200 > 2973 TCP_MISS/206 > 2503 TCP_HIT/200 > 1799 TCP_MISS/000 > 1563 TCP_REFRESH_MISS/200 > 13568 TCP_IMS_HIT/304 > > This seems to me as some sort of bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong. What seems to be the problem? That the values are sorted alphabetically instead of numerically? If so, you need to tell sort you want a numeric sort with "sort -rn". http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:10:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-27.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947FE37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B20C666C9B; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:10:08 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: Bug in sort(1) on FreeBSD-4.3 STABLE? Message-ID: <20010430001008.B10458@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net>; from dl@tyfon.net on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:06:00AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:06:00AM +0200, Dan Larsson wrote: >=20 > % awk '{print $4}' /var/log/cache/access.log | sort | \ > uniq -c | sort -r | head > 4948 TCP_MEM_HIT/200 > 3963 TCP_MISS/304 > 3666 TCP_MISS/302 > 3640 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 > 31988 TCP_MISS/200 > 2973 TCP_MISS/206 > 2503 TCP_HIT/200 > 1799 TCP_MISS/000 > 1563 TCP_REFRESH_MISS/200 > 13568 TCP_IMS_HIT/304 >=20 > This seems to me as some sort of bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not sure what you're claiming to be the bug: those entries look to be correctly sorted in reverse ascii order. Perhaps you wanted sort -n? Kris --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67Q/QWry0BWjoQKURAssbAKDJtkwySRoTflySXIKA4GBjmVR0oACg6Ay7 qrpQo+4hFKpwFda/lVu1JxU= =niMs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:11:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A5A37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f3U7BWX01826; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:11:32 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Dan Larsson Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: Bug in sort(1) on FreeBSD-4.3 STABLE? Message-ID: <20010430001131.T18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010430085951.B69265-100000@hq1.tyfon.net>; from dl@tyfon.net on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:06:00AM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Dan Larsson [010430 00:06] wrote: > > % awk '{print $4}' /var/log/cache/access.log | sort | \ > uniq -c | sort -r | head > 4948 TCP_MEM_HIT/200 > 3963 TCP_MISS/304 > 3666 TCP_MISS/302 > 3640 TCP_REFRESH_HIT/200 > 31988 TCP_MISS/200 > 2973 TCP_MISS/206 > 2503 TCP_HIT/200 > 1799 TCP_MISS/000 > 1563 TCP_REFRESH_MISS/200 > 13568 TCP_IMS_HIT/304 > > This seems to me as some sort of bug. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You're wrong. :) 1) explain the expected output I'm guessing you want it sorted in reverse numerical order. so: 2) use the -n flag with sort as documented in the manpage. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Represent yourself, show up at BABUG http://www.babug.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:12:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1404F37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14u7rI-0001va-00; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:12:36 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Jordan Hubbard" , Cc: , , Subject: RE: tail Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:12:04 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010430000101U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: How does that quote go, "Unix doesn't stop you from doing stupid :: things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." Shooting yourself in the foot stems from World War I, when people did that in the hope of being repatriated from the trenches as war invalids. Obviously, there were some side-effects to putting a rifle to your foot... People confuse that expression with being "hoist on your own petard". Anyway, what you said above is no justification for punishing users for accidents (and yes, I know about rm -rf / and all that). -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:14:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hq1.tyfon.net (hq1.tyfon.net [217.27.162.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3A037B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dl@tyfon.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881DE1C7D8; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:14:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.tyfon.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A941C7C5; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:14:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:14:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Dan Larsson To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: FreeBSD Stable List Subject: Re: Bug in sort(1) on FreeBSD-4.3 STABLE? In-Reply-To: <20010430001131.T18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: <20010430091238.A69524-100000@hq1.tyfon.net> Organization: Tyfon Svenska AB X-NCC-NIC: DL1999-RIPE X-NCC-RegID: se.tyfon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by hq1.tyfon.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: | You're wrong. :) | | 1) explain the expected output | | I'm guessing you want it sorted in reverse numerical order. That is correct :) | so: | | 2) use the -n flag with sort as documented in the manpage. Ok. Thanks for the help guys. I will use the -n option in the future. | Regards +------ Dan Larsson | Tel: +46 8 550 120 21 Tyfon Svenska AB | Fax: +46 8 550 120 02 GPG and PGP keys | finger dl@hq1.tyfon.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:19: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE15A37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3U7Il309264; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:18:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: steveo@eircom.net, dan@langille.org, chris@jeah.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: <20010430082051.4d66351c.steveo@eircom.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010430001847U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:18:47 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > So seeing a mess with tail/cat is useful to you? It might be, depending on what you were feeding it to. I think the point people are making is that directory data is, in certain cases, also potentially useful for something they might conceivably want to do, and if you yourself don't want to look at it then you shouldn't ask the system to show it to you. "Doctor, it hurts when I poke myself in the eye.." :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:23:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8192C37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 31307 invoked by uid 100); 30 Apr 2001 07:23:40 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15085.4860.848971.308268@guru.mired.org> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:23:40 -0500 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , "Dan Langille" , "Chris Byrnes" , Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: References: <20010429221233.A99057@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen types: > :: UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a > :: directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. > > That's just silly. > > Who hasn't mistakenly tailed/cat'ed a directory? > > I thought the "User-unfriendliness Is Cool" era was long buried. User-unfriendliness Is Cool is indeed buried. Deciding that the user shouldn't do something because you don't think it's a good idea is User-unfriendly, which is why Unix doesn't *do* things like that. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 0:34: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dagobert.skystream.nl (smtp.uwnet.nl [195.7.130.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6337B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from abgoeree@uwnet.nl) Received: from dyn.dailup.c227140085.isd.to (dyn.dailup.c227140085.isd.to [213.227.140.85]) by dagobert.skystream.nl (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3U7aGL27920 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:17 +0200 Received: (qmail 1277 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Apr 2001 07:33:59 -0000 From: "Andre Goeree" Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:33:59 +0200 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010430093359.A1271@mandark.attica.home> Reply-To: abgoeree@uwnet.nl References: <20010429221233.A99057@xor.obsecurity.org> <15085.4860.848971.308268@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15085.4860.848971.308268@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:23:40AM -0500 X-Sender: abgoeree@uwnet.nl Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:23:40AM -0500, Mike Meyer wrote: > Juha Saarinen types: > > :: UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a > > :: directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. > > > > That's just silly. > > > > Who hasn't mistakenly tailed/cat'ed a directory? > > > > I thought the "User-unfriendliness Is Cool" era was long buried. > > User-unfriendliness Is Cool is indeed buried. Deciding that the user > shouldn't do something because you don't think it's a good idea is > User-unfriendly, which is why Unix doesn't *do* things like that. > > -- > Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ > Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > I'm sorry, but what the heck has this thread to do with -stable? -- Andre. 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Āńå ļīäšīįķīńņč ķą http://aviareklama.narod.ru/ Ēą’āźč ķą šåźėąģó aviareklama@mail.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 1:33:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B6537B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:33:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id LMY83557; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:33:38 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U83qT00812; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:03:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:03:52 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Ted Faber Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org>; from faber@lunabase.org on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 10:22:05PM -0700 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 22:22:05, faber (Ted Faber) wrote about "Re: tail": > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > > tail: /: Is a directory > > > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. > > FYI, and maybe surprisingly, you're about to start a flame war. BSD > tail and related tools have been treating directories as files for > *many* years. Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? If no (and I am sure that you has no such examples), you should consider badness of writing arbitrary binary data to terminal. E.g., xterm & screen terminals can be dropped to unrepairable state in such way. (And, in some file systems, directory can be not flat file with special access methods, but tree, hash or another. Flat reading of such directory is impossible and nonsense.) > The behavior goes back to the earliest UNIX systems. In the earliest UNIX systems, there were no network, VM, and even chdir was an external command which modifies parent's current directory. Do you really want to keep such legacy now? Your idea for unrestricted directory reading is from the same series. > It will not change, nor is it worth arguing about. Well, do use Bell Unix V6 instead of FreeBSD. As for now, no normal utility reads directory directly; they use getdirentries() or getdents(). There are reasons to restrict reading of flat directory dump to special API, e.g. read() after open(,O_FLATDIR). > If you hate the behavior, put a 2-line shell script around tail, cat, > and whatever other programs you want that aborts the operation if the > argument's a directory. There are too many programs in unix tool set which requires such fixing, and it's better to fix them directly instead of total wrapping, isn't it? If you require compatibility with bugs of ancient crap, you'll work on crap. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 1:34:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5923A37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id LNB83558; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:33:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U8If500880; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:18:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:18:41 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Mike Meyer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010430111841.B646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <15085.1672.680397.456359@guru.mired.org> <15085.3399.399194.624320@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15085.3399.399194.624320@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:59:19AM -0500 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 01:59:19, mwm (Mike Meyer) wrote about "RE: tail": > Yes, there is. If you're monitoring a programm that creates a lot of > files in a previously empty directory (for example, extracting a tar > file into it), then: > > tail -f targetdir > > will do the trick, though it would be better to clean up the output > (cat -v, maybe). And its output is related to flat format of directory in specific file system. You will provide decrypting module for each file system for each platform, won't you? `man kevent' saves you. > Deciding for the users what actions are an error and which aren't is a > *really* nasty habit. Let's allow them 'rm -rf /' > Windows does it all to often, which is one of > the reasons Windows sucks. Linux - at least some distributions - seems > to have picked up the habit from Windows. Oh well. Windows have no problems such as '/tmp race conditions'. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 1:55:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tepid.osl.fast.no (tepid.osl.fast.no [213.188.9.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A8EE37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:55:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Raymond.Wiker@fast.no) Received: from raw.grenland.fast.no.fast.no (fw-oslo.fast.no [213.188.9.129]) by tepid.osl.fast.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA83234; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:54:59 GMT (envelope-from Raymond.Wiker@fast.no) From: Raymond Wiker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15085.10336.706403.988118@raw.grenland.fast.no> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:54:56 +0200 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Valentin Nechayev writes: > Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 22:22:05, faber (Ted Faber) wrote about "Re: tail": > > > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > > > tail: /: Is a directory > > > > > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. > > > > FYI, and maybe surprisingly, you're about to start a flame war. BSD > > tail and related tools have been treating directories as files for > > *many* years. > > Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples > of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? > If no (and I am sure that you has no such examples), you should consider > badness of writing arbitrary binary data to terminal. E.g., xterm & screen > terminals can be dropped to unrepairable state in such way. In that case, you also need to "fix" tail, cat etc so that you cannot use them on binary files, or even text files that contain character codes that *might* upset the current terminal. BTW: xterm can be repaired by selecting "Do Full Reset", possibly in combination with typing the command "reset", followed by a line-feed character (Ctrl-J). I cannot remember a case where this didn't work. > In the earliest UNIX systems, there were no network, VM, and even chdir > was an external command which modifies parent's current directory. > Do you really want to keep such legacy now? Your idea for unrestricted > directory reading is from the same series. chdir has never been, and couldn't possibly be, an external command in Un*x. (It *is* an external command in MS-DOS, though.) > There are too many programs in unix tool set which requires such > fixing, and it's better to fix them directly instead of total > wrapping, isn't it? If you require compatibility with bugs of > ancient crap, you'll work on crap. The problem is that being able to do tail on a directory is *potentially useful*. Disallowing the use of tail on a directory is *not* going to make the system noticeably more robust or user-friendly. //Raymond. -- Raymond Wiker Raymond.Wiker@fast.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 1:56:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00B237B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:56:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28628; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:56:47 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3U9B5Z89637; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:11:05 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:11:05 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: Kevin Oberman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound problems with 4.3 Message-ID: <20010430121105.B88460@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr Mail-Followup-To: Panagiotis Astithas , Kevin Oberman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200104272246.f3RMkKc10995@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200104272246.f3RMkKc10995@ptavv.es.net>; from oberman@es.net on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:46:19PM -0700 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:46:19PM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Recently I have had an odd problem with the sound on my laptop. The > unit is a ThinkPad 600E with Crystal 4236 audio using the newpcm > driver. > > >From my config: > device pcm0 at isa? port 0x52c irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x10 > > The sound now has an odd problem in that the last second (or maybe a > bit less) of the sound file is repeated continually for several > seconds. I hear the same thing, though for differing periods from the > Gnome sounds and from Realplayer. It's not awful, but it does get > annoying. > > I'm not sure just when I first noticed it. Probably in late March or > early April.It's still there as of my Apr. 25 build. > > Has anyone else heard this? Any ideas as to what is causing it? I've been having the same problem from my ESS 1869 chip longer than I care to remember. I am always planning to enable debugging info from the driver to figure it out, but I haven't got the time yet. You should probably ask this in freebsd-multimedia in order to get a useful answer though. Cheers, -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:14:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5223137B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:14:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 30 Apr 2001 10:13:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:13:56 +0100 From: David Malone To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: Ted Faber , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010430101356.A62928@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua>; from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples > of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? We have used tail here on (large) directories to find the last few entries and then delete them (using unlink) in the correct order so that you can get the kernel to shrink the directory quickly to speed up operations on it. This has arisen several times on news servers using inn's traditional storage. I'm sure other people have used standard tools on directories for other reasons. To prevent people from doing so is just an inconvienence. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:15:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926A37B424; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (Sturm@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U9FSw89148; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:15:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:15:28 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: Unknown PCI device on TYAN Thunder 2500 w. AMI MegaRAID Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Sirs. Yesterday I posted a message about spontanous reboots on one of our TYAN 2500 based SMP machines. In one respind I was told that there is an unknown PCI device and I see, he was right. The unknown PCI device belongs to Q-Logic - and that is the vendor of the SCSI chipset on the AMI MegaRAID Enterprise 1600 we use. Here is the dmesg-output: opyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #76: Mon Apr 30 10:51:10 CEST 2001 root@atmos.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATMOS Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (868.64-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Features=0x387fbff real memory = 2147483648 (2097152K bytes) avail memory = 2088067072 (2039128K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #1 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 io1 (APIC): apic id: 3, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec01000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0383000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard IOAPIC #1 intpin 13 -> irq 2 IOAPIC #1 intpin 12 -> irq 16 IOAPIC #1 intpin 7 -> irq 17 pci0: on pcib0 pcib3: at device 0.1 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 1 -> irq 18 pci1: on pcib3 pci1: at 0.0 irq 18 sym0: <896> port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff,0xfeafac00-0xfeafafff irq 2 at device 1.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: <896> port 0xf400-0xf4ff mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafdfff,0xfeafa800-0xfeafabff irq 16 at device 1.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, SE, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. pcib5: at device 3.0 on pci0 IOAPIC #1 intpin 2 -> irq 19 pci2: on pcib5 pcib6: at device 0.0 on pci2 IOAPIC #1 intpin 0 -> irq 20 pci3: on pcib6 amr0: mem 0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 20 at device 0.0 on pci3 amr0: Firmware C158, BIOS 3.11, 64MB RAM ===>> pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 1.0 irq 18 ===>> pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 2.0 irq 19 fxp0: port 0xfcc0-0xfcff mem 0xfe900000-0xfe9fffff,0xfeaf9000-0xfeaf9fff irq 17 at device 7.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:00:f0:d7 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 15.1 pcib1: on motherboard pci4: on pcib1 pcib2: on motherboard pci5: on pcib2 pcib4: on motherboard pci6: on pcib4 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 drq 1 flags 0x8 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: Broken MP table detected: 8254 is not connected to IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 and IOAPIC #0 intpin 0 DUMMYNET initialized (010124) IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. Waiting 4 seconds for SCSI devices to settle (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. amrd0: on amr0 amrd0: 245014MB (501788672 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal) SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! sa0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) no devsw (majdev=0 bootdev=0xa0200000) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/amrd0s1a cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16) cd0: cd present [329963 x 2048 byte records] ch0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 1 ch0: Removable Changer SCSI-2 device ch0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) ch0: 6 slots, 1 drive, 0 pickers, 0 portals link_elf: symbol splash_register undefined fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled What the heck is that? I was told that the AMI MegaRAID controllers are supported, what's up with this? On another SMP machine based on ASUS CUA4X-D, we use the AMI Elite 1600, and there is no 'unknown' device. On the TYAN based machine, ATA is diasabled as well as USB and sound. Can some help please? -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:20: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BCC37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:19:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03302; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:19:56 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3U9YF790044; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:34:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:34:15 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: Ted Faber , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010430123414.C88460@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua>; from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples > of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? One use I can think of is to list the contents of a directory in order to make a quick-and-dirty assessment of whether ls has been replaced by a trojan or not. I know that cat/tail could have been replaced too, but _if_ you see different results you know something fishy is going on in a couple of seconds. -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:20:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0E837B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:20:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id pbabaaaa for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:19:57 +1000 Message-ID: <3AED2F73.554E766F@quake.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:25:07 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <15085.10336.706403.988118@raw.grenland.fast.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Valentin Nechayev writes: > Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 22:22:05, faber (Ted Faber) wrote about "Re: tail": > > > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > > > tail: /: Is a directory > > > > > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. > > > > FYI, and maybe surprisingly, you're about to start a flame war. BSD > > tail and related tools have been treating directories as files for > > *many* years. > > Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples > of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? > If no (and I am sure that you has no such examples), you should consider > badness of writing arbitrary binary data to terminal. E.g., xterm & screen > terminals can be dropped to unrepairable state in such way. The reason is because cat and tail are tools to print the EXACT data of a file to the output device you specifiy... They are NOT tools for reading text files like M$ work for example which wont open anything that it dosent think you would really want to look at! Just because you dicided to cat some binary data to your terminal and it caused a few problems is not a reason to limit cat from reading anything you tell it to! Infact its quite possible you might want to take the last 10 lines of a binary file and put them in another file: # tail bin.file > another.file There is no such thing as unrepairable state, simply kill the terminal and start a new one, problem solved! This topic is really stupid and has nothing to do with stable at all! These tools are the way they are because its good... If you cant use them then why dont you go code a new tool called ascii-text-only-cat or something like that... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:20:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx0.gmx.net (mx0.gmx.net [213.165.64.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D2FD037B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from d_f0rce@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 1502 invoked by uid 0); 30 Apr 2001 09:20:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:20:48 +0200 (MEST) From: d_f0rce@gmx.de To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated-Sender: #0002415309@gmx.net X-Authenticated-IP: [212.118.32.70] Message-ID: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.5 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I installed 4.3-R from ISO image some minutes ago and was wondering why the setup is no longer asking me if my slice should be a dedicated FreeBSD one. I tried "standard" and "expert" install mode but in none of them i was asked. Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? Greetings, Alex PS: Please answer to me directly, as I'm not on the list. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:26:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C547C37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id ubabaaaa for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:26:13 +1000 Message-ID: <3AED30EC.665CF6BF@quake.com.au> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:31:24 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d_f0rce@gmx.de Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install References: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG d_f0rce@gmx.de wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed 4.3-R from ISO image some minutes ago and was > wondering why the setup is no longer asking me if my slice > should be a dedicated FreeBSD one. > > I tried "standard" and "expert" install mode but in none > of them i was asked. > > Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? Yeah it was dicided a while ago there were too many problems with it, and a lot of newbies were getting burnt by the option... I personaly thought it should stay, maybe more hidden, but still there... But some new bios's wouldnt boot off them and stuff like that... Besides it was a messy hack in the first place, and not really any advantage given by it besides some neatness... I liked it, but I can see why it was taken out :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:32: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13ABA37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f3U9W1W05532; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:32:01 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: d_f0rce@gmx.de Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install Message-ID: <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net>; from d_f0rce@gmx.de on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:20:48AM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * d_f0rce@gmx.de [010430 02:21] wrote: > Hi, > > I installed 4.3-R from ISO image some minutes ago and was > wondering why the setup is no longer asking me if my slice > should be a dedicated FreeBSD one. > > I tried "standard" and "expert" install mode but in none > of them i was asked. > > Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? Too many people shooting themselves in the feet. It also stuck those people with systems where certain boot tricks were no longer possible. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:50:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E480737B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:50:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U9t7808786; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200104300955.f3U9t7808786@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unknown PCI device on TYAN Thunder 2500 w. AMI MegaRAID In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:15:28 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:55:06 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Dear Sirs. > > Yesterday I posted a message about spontanous reboots on one of our > TYAN 2500 based SMP machines. In one respind I was told that there is > an unknown PCI device and I see, he was right. > > The unknown PCI device belongs to Q-Logic - and that is the vendor > of the SCSI chipset on the AMI MegaRAID Enterprise 1600 we use. This is harmless; it's a feature of the transparent PCI bridge used on the Megaraid. Ignore the device; it's owned by the RAID controller. > Here is the dmesg-output: > > opyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #76: Mon Apr 30 10:51:10 CEST 2001 > root@atmos.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ATMOS > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (868.64-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 > Features=0x387fbff > real memory = 2147483648 (2097152K bytes) > avail memory = 2088067072 (2039128K bytes) > Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 > IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 > Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #1 > FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard > cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 > cpu1 (AP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 > io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 > io1 (APIC): apic id: 3, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec01000 > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0383000. > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > IOAPIC #1 intpin 13 -> irq 2 > IOAPIC #1 intpin 12 -> irq 16 > IOAPIC #1 intpin 7 -> irq 17 > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib3: at device 0.1 on pci0 > IOAPIC #1 intpin 1 -> irq 18 > pci1: on pcib3 > pci1: at 0.0 irq 18 > sym0: <896> port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfeafe000-0xfeafffff,0xfeafac00-0xfeafafff irq 2 at device 1.0 on pci0 > sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, LVD, parity checking > sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. > sym1: <896> port 0xf400-0xf4ff mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafdfff,0xfeafa800-0xfeafabff irq 16 at device 1.1 on pci0 > sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-40, SE, parity checking > sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. > pcib5: at device 3.0 on pci0 > IOAPIC #1 intpin 2 -> irq 19 > pci2: on pcib5 > pcib6: at device 0.0 on pci2 > IOAPIC #1 intpin 0 -> irq 20 > pci3: on pcib6 > amr0: mem 0xf4000000-0xf7ffffff irq 20 at device 0.0 on pci3 > amr0: Firmware C158, BIOS 3.11, 64MB RAM > > ===>> pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 1.0 irq 18 > ===>> pci2: (vendor=0x1077, dev=0x1216) at 2.0 irq 19 > > fxp0: port 0xfcc0-0xfcff mem 0xfe900000-0xfe9fffff,0xfeaf9000-0xfeaf9fff irq 17 at device 7.0 on pci0 > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:e0:81:00:f0:d7 > isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > pci0: at 15.1 > pcib1: on motherboard > pci4: on pcib1 > pcib2: on motherboard > pci5: on pcib2 > pcib4: on motherboard > pci6: on pcib4 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: on isa0 > sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio1: type 16550A > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 drq 1 flags 0x8 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery > APIC_IO: Broken MP table detected: 8254 is not connected to IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 > APIC_IO: routing 8254 via 8259 and IOAPIC #0 intpin 0 > DUMMYNET initialized (010124) > IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging > IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. > Waiting 4 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > amrd0: on amr0 > amrd0: 245014MB (501788672 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal) > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > sa0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > sa0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) > no devsw (majdev=0 bootdev=0xa0200000) > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/amrd0s1a > cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16) > cd0: cd present [329963 x 2048 byte records] > ch0 at sym1 bus 0 target 5 lun 1 > ch0: Removable Changer SCSI-2 device > ch0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 31, 16bit) > ch0: 6 slots, 1 drive, 0 pickers, 0 portals > link_elf: symbol splash_register undefined > fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled > > > What the heck is that? I was told that the AMI MegaRAID controllers > are supported, what's up with this? > > On another SMP machine based on ASUS CUA4X-D, we use the AMI Elite 1600, > and there is no 'unknown' device. > > On the TYAN based machine, ATA is diasabled as well as USB and sound. > > Can some help please? > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-smp" in the body of the message -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 2:57:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3919F37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from administrator@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (administrator@klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3U9vAw89455; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:57:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from administrator@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:57:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Administrator IPA To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: , , Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install In-Reply-To: <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: Well, playing around with "guns" is dangerous and should be left in hands of those who can play ;-) Do the vanishing of that feature mean that no one is capable of installing a FreeBSD dedicated only slice/disk? > * d_f0rce@gmx.de [010430 02:21] wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I installed 4.3-R from ISO image some minutes ago and was > > wondering why the setup is no longer asking me if my slice > > should be a dedicated FreeBSD one. > > > > I tried "standard" and "expert" install mode but in none > > of them i was asked. > > > > Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? > > Too many people shooting themselves in the feet. It also > stuck those people with systems where certain boot tricks > were no longer possible. > > -- > -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] > Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," > start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 3:11:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw2.dnepr.net (CoreGW2-TBone.dnepr.net [195.24.156.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E96837B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:11:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from land@dnepr.net) Received: from dnepr.net (dnepr.net [195.24.156.98]) by gw2.dnepr.net (8.11.3/8.6.18/01) with ESMTP id f3UABBY20908 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:11:11 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from land@localhost) by dnepr.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24404 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:10:53 +0300 (EEST) X-POP3-RCPT: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:10:53 +0300 From: land@dnepr.net To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: "negative proccn" and "negative sbsize" kernel messages Message-ID: <20010430131053.A12940@dnepr.net> Mail-Followup-To: stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi ! I have 4.3-RELEASE box with 1000+ mail(pop3) accounts. I'v seen strange kernel messages in log files after 2 days uptime : Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: negative proccnt for uid = 65534 Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: freeing uidinfo: uid = 65534, sbsize = 34306 Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: freeing uidinfo: uid = 65534, proccnt = -1 Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: negative sbsize for uid = 1 Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: negative sbsize for uid = 1 Apr 27 12:19:30 hostname /kernel: negative sbsize for uid = -16777216 Last message constantly repeats. What does it mean ? What is sbsize ? -- Best regards, Andrey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 3:58:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B443437B440; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UAvdJ50780; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:57:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:57:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: stable@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ changes over the last 7 days Message-ID: <20010430115739.D4352@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="GyRA7555PLgSTuth" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --GyRA7555PLgSTuth Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FreeBSD FAQ Updates The following changes have been made to the FreeBSD FAQ since 2001-4-24: Added questions: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D su(1) says you are not in the correct group to su root when I try to=20 su to root. http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#SU-WHEEL-GROUP Which CD-RW drives are supported by FreeBSD? http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#SUPPORTED-CDRW-DRIVES Questions that have changed: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D How can I add more swap space? http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#ADD-SWAP-SPACE Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.182&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup I'm having problems setting up my printer. http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#PRINTER-SETUP Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.185&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup Books on FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#BOOKS Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.178&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup I get messages like: unknown: can't assign resources on boot. http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#PNP-RESOURCES Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.181&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup This is a weekly service. 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As always, you can read the complete FAQ at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/ --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --GyRA7555PLgSTuth Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrtRSIACgkQk6gHZCw343VmXgCfe6jg9IAvlPwYVysGVDxPAgs5 H1AAn3j8XfRijx05kOZ73oWlT1/D3HOO =ezjZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GyRA7555PLgSTuth-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 4: 9: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B07BB37B424; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id ODK88181; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:08:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3U8hqD01399; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:43:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:43:52 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? Message-ID: <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <20010425091911.I31916@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> <200104260024.f3Q0Ocb18833@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200104260024.f3Q0Ocb18833@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:24:38PM -0700 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 17:24:38, msmith (Mike Smith) wrote about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > > Disabling Plug and Play in the BIOS seemed to cure this one > > for me... > > If I am right(!), does anyone know exactly why this is? What > > does the error message mean exactly? Quick skim through the > > driver source for me I thinks... > It means that you have "PNP OS" turned on in your BIOS, and the version > of FreeBSD that you are running is not a "PNP OS". Does "options PNPBIOS" fix this? I have a SiS496+AMDK4/133 box where FreeBSD4 hangs up without this option during searching ISA PnP devices, and there are no "PNP OS Yes/No" switch in BIOS. "options PNPBIOS" enables system to load and work correctly but it was found occasionally, no man mentiones this option in such context. (FreeBSD3 did not require any special options to boot.) /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 4:20:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk [212.87.84.199]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9697937B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk) Received: from smtp.psi-domain.co.uk (mail.trident-uk.co.uk [195.166.16.10]) by rafiu.psi-domain.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3UBFlX48334; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:15:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:17:59 +0100 From: Jamie Heckford To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? Message-ID: <20010430131759.C44799@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> Reply-To: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk References: <20010425091911.I31916@storm.psi-domain.co.uk> <200104260024.f3Q0Ocb18833@mass.dis.org> <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua>; from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 09:43:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.1.1 Lines: 64 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All of the recent BIOS's support this option - it may be hidden as something like: "Operating System Type:" "WindowsME/2000" "Windows95/98" "Windows NT4.0/Other" If you've got something like this, set it to WindowsNT/Other. Check your documentation for more info. Jamie On 2001.04.30 09:43 Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 17:24:38, msmith (Mike Smith) wrote about "Re: > Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > > > > Disabling Plug and Play in the BIOS seemed to cure this one > > > for me... > > > If I am right(!), does anyone know exactly why this is? What > > > does the error message mean exactly? Quick skim through the > > > driver source for me I thinks... > > It means that you have "PNP OS" turned on in your BIOS, and the version > > > of FreeBSD that you are running is not a "PNP OS". > > Does "options PNPBIOS" fix this? I have a SiS496+AMDK4/133 box where > FreeBSD4 hangs up without this option during searching ISA PnP devices, > and > there are no "PNP OS Yes/No" switch in BIOS. "options PNPBIOS" enables > system to load and work correctly but it was found occasionally, > no man mentiones this option in such context. (FreeBSD3 did not require > any special options to boot.) > > > /netch > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- Jamie Heckford Network Operations Manager Psi-Domain - Innovative Linux Solutions. Ask Us How. FreeBSD - The power to serve Join our mailing list and stay informed by emailing majordomo@psi-domain.co.uk with the line: subscribe collective ===================================== email: heckfordj@psi-domain.co.uk web: http://www.psi-domain.co.uk/ tel: +44 (0)1737 789 246 fax: +44 (0)1737 789 245 mobile: +44 (0)7866 724 224 ===================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 4:27:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA9E37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:27:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UBWE810157; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:32:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200104301132.f3UBWE810157@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:43:52 +0300." <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:32:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 17:24:38, msmith (Mike Smith) wrote about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > > > > Disabling Plug and Play in the BIOS seemed to cure this one > > > for me... > > > If I am right(!), does anyone know exactly why this is? What > > > does the error message mean exactly? Quick skim through the > > > driver source for me I thinks... > > It means that you have "PNP OS" turned on in your BIOS, and the version > > of FreeBSD that you are running is not a "PNP OS". > > Does "options PNPBIOS" fix this? I have a SiS496+AMDK4/133 box where > FreeBSD4 hangs up without this option during searching ISA PnP devices, and > there are no "PNP OS Yes/No" switch in BIOS. "options PNPBIOS" enables > system to load and work correctly but it was found occasionally, > no man mentiones this option in such context. (FreeBSD3 did not require > any special options to boot.) No, it doesn't. And FreeBSD 3.x doesn't support that network adapter at all. It looks like we are going to need to do some work on this fairly quickly, but in the meantime, you are SOL with that board. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 5: 4: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E52E37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 05:03:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA40447; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200104301203.OAA40447@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.1-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > Is there any use for the the garbage tail outputs on a directory? If there > is, I won't say anything else... Just recently the feature that directories can be opened and read like plain files has been very helpful for me, when I was debugging the union mount code and the getdirentries() code in the libc (which, by the way, reads the directory like a plain file and then returns the dirent structures contained in it). You can cat plain text files, binary files, fifos, device nodes -- why should there be a special hack to disallow it for directories? As for the "garbage on screen": Type "cat /kernel". That's much worse. But it does what you asked it to do, and that's how UNIX works, because it assumes that you know what you're doing. Everything else would lead into the area of Windows philosophy ... Just my 2 Euro cents. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 6:24:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0623437B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 28208 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 13:23:08 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 13:23:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3AED6781.8746018D@cvzoom.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:24:17 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > > :: UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a > :: directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. > > That's just silly. > > Who hasn't mistakenly tailed/cat'ed a directory? > > I thought the "User-unfriendliness Is Cool" era was long buried. Like so many people before you already explained, doing tail on a directory IS useful in some rare situations, like for example, using tar, and certain other things. Remember, a directory is treated as a regular file on unix filesystems. I see no reason to correct tail's behavior. If you sit there and do `tail' on a directory all day long, then you've got problems. Surely, you might want to modifiy cat's behavior, because some poor unsuspecting user might get some ugly garbage printed to his terminal when he does 'cat' on a disk device. Really, doing tail on a directory is harmless (unless, of course, looking at the binary data being printed to the tty is causing seizures). If you think Linux does things better, then what the hey, just run Linux. Linux isn't a bad OS. Why must you run FreeBSD if you like Linux better? Both are great open source OS's, and both suit different types of users. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 7:35:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065F037B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:35:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA27894; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:34:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200104301434.HAA27894@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Illegal Instruction in libm - Problem solved.... In-Reply-To: <200104280139.LAA01281@lightning.itga.com.au> from Gregory Bond at "Apr 28, 1 11:39:28 am" To: gnb@itga.com.au (Gregory Bond) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:34:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: bc979@lafn.org, gnb@itga.com.au, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@obsecurity.org Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Gregory Bond wrote: >> It may always have been a bug in FreeBSD, and still is. > > No, the bug is in your code, not FreeBSD. > >> The concept of being able to replace a library module with one from >> your code is fairly common in SVR4, and SunOS. > > Even if true (and the C standard makes no such promises), this is not > what you did. You replaced a standard library function free() with an > int called free. That is in no way shape or form "replacing a library > module". This is just plain wrong, and the fact it happened to work > in previous versions of the FreeBSD C library is just luck. On the other hand, it doesn't seem unreasonable that the loader should issue a warning in that instance. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 7:53: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from heechee.tobez.org (254.adsl0.ryv.worldonline.dk [213.237.10.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254AD37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:52:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: by heechee.tobez.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 012D8540C; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:52:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:52:54 +0200 From: Anton Berezin To: Administrator IPA Cc: Alfred Perlstein , d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install Message-ID: <20010430165254.A70990@heechee.tobez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , Administrator IPA , Alfred Perlstein , d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from administrator@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:57:10AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:57:10AM +0200, Administrator IPA wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > Well, playing around with "guns" is dangerous and should be left > in hands of those who can play ;-) > > Do the vanishing of that feature mean that no one is capable > of installing a FreeBSD dedicated only slice/disk? See /usr/src/release/sysinstall/disks.c. It is still there, undocumeneted. Cheers, +Anton. -- May the tuna salad be with you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:37:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DBC37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA98325; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200104301536.IAA98325@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 In-Reply-To: from Carl Makin at "Apr 30, 2001 11:41:29 am" To: carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au (Carl Makin) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: petef@databits.net (Pete Fritchman), freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Hi Pete, > > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Pete Fritchman wrote: > > > ++ 30/04/01 11:13 +1000 - Carl Makin: > > > | Is anyone else having problems checking out the RELENG_4_3 branch? > > > Nope: > > > tol [40] % cvs co -r'RELENG_4_3' src/Makefile > > U src/Makefile > > tol [41] % echo $CVSROOT > > :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs > > Hmmm, thanks. I'm using a local copy of the cvs tree sourced via ctm, so > it's entirely possible my environment is hosed. > > I'll look into it further! > > Thanks for checking... Try adding ``RELENG_4_3 y'' to the end of the file CVSROOT/val-tags, that fixed it for me. I sent email to repo-mister about this 3 days ago, but I haven't seen a commit fixing it. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:38:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.bugsoft.hik.se (dragon.bugsoft.nu [194.47.165.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F5537B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:38:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yottaman@writeme.com) Received: from te31002 ([194.47.173.15]) by dragon.bugsoft.hik.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:38:29 +0200 From: "John Andersson" To: Subject: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:38:29 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c0d18b$9aece690$0fad2fc2@te31002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have added "kern.maxfiles=3D16384" and "kern.maxfilesperproc=3D16384" = in my FreeBSD 4.3 server to raise the number of file descriptors. The problem is that the ircd daemon does not see these changes at startup, it reports that there is too few file descriptos. If I manually start ircd after startup has completed, it starts without complaining. It seems like the changes in sysctl.conf at startup does not take effect until the startup process has completed, perhaps it is after the securelevel has been raised or something. What can I do to solve this? Can I modify the number of file descriptors in some other way, or start the ircd daemon in some other way? TIA, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:44:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C880A37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA98351; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:43:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200104301543.IAA98351@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: <20010429221233.A99057@xor.obsecurity.org> from Kris Kennaway at "Apr 29, 2001 10:12:33 pm" To: kris@obsecurity.org (Kris Kennaway) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:43:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: juha@saarinen.org (Juha Saarinen), dan@langille.org (Dan Langille), chris@jeah.net (Chris Byrnes), stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:08:47PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > > :: tail is doing as ordered. Directories and files are the same. So it's > > :: giving you the last ten lines of the file / > > > > Tail voss only obeyink orters??? > > > > Well, it's silly to do that unthinkingly. Here's what happens on a Debian > > box: > > > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > > tail: /: Is a directory > > > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. > > UNIX is about doing what you ask for. You want to tail/cat a > directory, who is the system to tell you otherwise. Yea.... but seems these people who now have access to change the code, like to change the code, just because they want to protect the fools who don't really now what to ask for :-) vi / Warning: / is not a regular file; /: unmodified, readonly: line 1 ex / Warning: / is not a regular file Press Enter to continue: /: unmodified, readonly: line 3 :q counter.hpc1.com:rgrimes {73}% ed / 512 Ahhh finally... a tool that does what I said without giving me grief!! -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:46:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1416437B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:46:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f3UFhfh14356; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:43:41 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: John Andersson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf Message-ID: <20010430084341.E18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <000401c0d18b$9aece690$0fad2fc2@te31002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000401c0d18b$9aece690$0fad2fc2@te31002>; from yottaman@writeme.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:38:29PM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * John Andersson [010430 08:39] wrote: > I have added "kern.maxfiles=16384" and "kern.maxfilesperproc=16384" in > my FreeBSD 4.3 server to raise the number of file descriptors. The > problem is that the ircd daemon does not see these changes at startup, > it reports that there is too few file descriptos. If I manually start > ircd after startup has completed, it starts without complaining. > > It seems like the changes in sysctl.conf at startup does not take effect > until the startup process has completed, perhaps it is after the > securelevel has been raised or something. > > What can I do to solve this? Can I modify the number of file descriptors > in some other way, or start the ircd daemon in some other way? How are you starting ircd? From the looks of it sysctl.conf is read _very early_ during startup and if you're starting ircd before it via startup scripts you're most likely doing something terribly wrong. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~slumos/on-netbsd.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:54:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.bugsoft.hik.se (dragon.bugsoft.nu [194.47.165.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C0B37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:54:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yottaman@writeme.com) Received: from te31002 ([194.47.173.15]) by dragon.bugsoft.hik.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:54:16 +0200 From: "John Andersson" To: "'Alfred Perlstein'" Cc: Subject: RE: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:54:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c0d18d$cf5ee2f0$0fad2fc2@te31002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20010430084341.E18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The ircd is started by a startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. I looked at the /etc/rc script and noticed (as you said) that sysctl.conf is read long before the ircd startup script. Still, ircd does not notice the changes in maxfiles. Similar effects can be found by executing the "limit" built-in command in tcsh, that reports the number of descriptors. It does not see the changes directly after "sysctl -w kern.maxfiles", but it does so later, after a login. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- > stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Alfred Perlstein > Sent: den 30 april 2001 17:44 > To: John Andersson > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf >=20 > * John Andersson [010430 08:39] wrote: > > I have added "kern.maxfiles=3D16384" and > "kern.maxfilesperproc=3D16384" in > > my FreeBSD 4.3 server to raise the number of file descriptors. > The > > problem is that the ircd daemon does not see these changes at > startup, > > it reports that there is too few file descriptos. If I > manually start > > ircd after startup has completed, it starts without > complaining. > > > > It seems like the changes in sysctl.conf at startup does not > take effect > > until the startup process has completed, perhaps it is after > the > > securelevel has been raised or something. > > > > What can I do to solve this? Can I modify the number of file > descriptors > > in some other way, or start the ircd daemon in some other way? >=20 > How are you starting ircd? From the looks of it sysctl.conf is > read _very early_ during startup and if you're starting ircd > before > it via startup scripts you're most likely doing something > terribly > wrong. >=20 > -- > -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] > http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~slumos/on-netbsd.html >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 8:58:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AE337B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:58:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f3UFvFu14775; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:57:15 -0700 From: "'Alfred Perlstein'" To: John Andersson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf Message-ID: <20010430085715.F18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010430084341.E18676@fw.wintelcom.net> <000b01c0d18d$cf5ee2f0$0fad2fc2@te31002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000b01c0d18d$cf5ee2f0$0fad2fc2@te31002>; from yottaman@writeme.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:54:16PM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * John Andersson [010430 08:54] wrote: > The ircd is started by a startup script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. I > looked at the /etc/rc script and noticed (as you said) that sysctl.conf > is read long before the ircd startup script. > > Still, ircd does not notice the changes in maxfiles. Similar effects can > be found by executing the "limit" built-in command in tcsh, that reports > the number of descriptors. It does not see the changes directly after > "sysctl -w kern.maxfiles", but it does so later, after a login. You probably want to use the ulimit builtin to request a larger limit in your startup script. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 9: 3: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D4537B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from faber@lunabase.org) Received: from lunabase.org ([63.200.244.106]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GCM00H7D4HC4V@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from praxis.lunabase.org (praxis.lunabase.org [63.200.244.110]) by lunabase.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UG0jc26611; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:45 -0700 (PDT envelope-from faber@lunabase.org) Received: (from faber@localhost) by praxis.lunabase.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UG0ie30439; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:44 -0700 (PDT envelope-from faber) X-URL: http://www.lunabase.edu/~faber Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:00:43 -0700 From: Ted Faber Subject: Re: tail In-reply-to: <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua>; from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300 To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010430090043.A30396@praxis.lunabase.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=php-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <20010429222205.A29058@praxis.lunabase.org> <20010430110352.A646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 11:03:52AM +0300, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 22:22:05, faber (Ted Faber) wrote about "Re: tail": > > > juha@cyrus:~$ tail / > > > tail: /: Is a directory > > > More desirable behaviour, IMO. > > FYI, and maybe surprisingly, you're about to start a flame war. See, I knew better and I responded anyway. I am dumb. > > BSD > > tail and related tools have been treating directories as files for > > *many* years. > > Can you please prove nesessarity of such behavior, as really useful examples > of cat/tail of directory, or an example of needed compatibility? No, I can't. You can't prove the reverse. It's an axiom. "All entities in the file system should behave as much like a flat file as possible." You can build a fine system based on that axiom or some other. Adhering to this simple axiom rather than something more complex leads to a simpler, more elegant system, IMHO, but it's a matter of taste. That's why arguing about it is pointless, and I won't. I encourage you to spend your time more productively. --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67YwraUz3f+Zf+XsRAgIwAKCgSiH1isZdsrHGeHxCJ+fQJ+rZmwCg2SXU oEISSKniz4qpTyfwIiTRyck= =/Rud -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 9: 4:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.bugsoft.hik.se (dragon.bugsoft.nu [194.47.165.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CE837B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:04:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yottaman@writeme.com) Received: from te31002 ([194.47.173.15]) by dragon.bugsoft.hik.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:04:33 +0200 From: "John Andersson" To: "'Alfred Perlstein'" Cc: Subject: RE: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:04:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c0d18f$3ef97c00$0fad2fc2@te31002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <20010430085715.F18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I didn't find and info about the ulimit built-in, but I actually made a successful test by modified the ircd startup script by adding "su -l xxxx -c /usr/.../ircd". It does not work without the "-l" parameter. It seems a bit strange though, that this should be needed. Probably is the number of descriptors info saved in the shell process somehow, and ircd is using that info. Thanks for the help! Regards, John > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- > stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of 'Alfred Perlstein' > Sent: den 30 april 2001 17:57 > To: John Andersson > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf >=20 > * John Andersson [010430 08:54] wrote: > > The ircd is started by a startup script in > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. I > > looked at the /etc/rc script and noticed (as you said) that > sysctl.conf > > is read long before the ircd startup script. > > > > Still, ircd does not notice the changes in maxfiles. Similar > effects can > > be found by executing the "limit" built-in command in tcsh, > that reports > > the number of descriptors. It does not see the changes > directly after > > "sysctl -w kern.maxfiles", but it does so later, after a > login. >=20 > You probably want to use the ulimit builtin to request a larger > limit in your startup script. >=20 > -Alfred >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 9: 9:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6081737B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3UG8QN11728; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:08:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:08:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: , , , Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: <20010430001847U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It might be, depending on what you were feeding it to. I think the > point people are making is that directory data is, in certain cases, > also potentially useful for something they might conceivably want to > do, and if you yourself don't want to look at it then you shouldn't > ask the system to show it to you. "Doctor, it hurts when I poke > myself in the eye.." :) We have rm -rf to protect us from doing things to directories (IE: rm /poop). We need tail -argument to protect us from doing things to directories. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 9:17:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D0C37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id TGN97421; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:16:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3UGGKU00342; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:16:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:16:20 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Mike Smith , Jamie Heckford Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? Message-ID: <20010430191619.A307@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <200104301132.f3UBWE810157@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200104301132.f3UBWE810157@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:14AM -0700 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:14, msmith (Mike Smith) wrote about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > > > It means that you have "PNP OS" turned on in your BIOS, and the version > > > of FreeBSD that you are running is not a "PNP OS". > > Does "options PNPBIOS" fix this? I have a SiS496+AMDK4/133 box where > > FreeBSD4 hangs up without this option during searching ISA PnP devices, and > > there are no "PNP OS Yes/No" switch in BIOS. "options PNPBIOS" enables > > system to load and work correctly but it was found occasionally, > > no man mentiones this option in such context. (FreeBSD3 did not require > > any special options to boot.) > No, it doesn't. And FreeBSD 3.x doesn't support that network adapter at > all. Sorry, I misspecified context for my question. The system I described has none ISA PnP devices (really, it has UM9008F in jumperless mode, which don't reply to PnP queries), the question is not related to `Subject:' of this thread, but only to "PNP Yes/No" switches in BIOS. And on it, kernel.GENERIC and any tested 4.x kernel without PNPBIOS option hangs during hardware checking without any descriptive messages. (The solution was found after comparing verbose boot output of this system and non-problem neighbour: it hangs before check PNP devices via first protocol broadcast port, AFAIR 0x203.) > It looks like we are going to need to do some work on this fairly > quickly, but in the meantime, you are SOL with that board. What does PNPBIOS option do? Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 13:17:59, heckfordj (Jamie Heckford) wrote about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > All of the recent BIOS's support this option - it may be hidden > as something like: > > "Operating System Type:" > > "WindowsME/2000" > "Windows95/98" > "Windows NT4.0/Other" This system was bought in April 1996. None of similar switch, neither in menus nor in documentation. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 9:25:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2537B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:25:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3UGP2005892; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f3UGP0g41173; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:25:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104301625.f3UGP0g41173@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 In-Reply-To: <200104301536.IAA98325@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <200104301536.IAA98325@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200104301536.IAA98325@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Try adding ``RELENG_4_3 y'' to the end of the file CVSROOT/val-tags, > that fixed it for me. I sent email to repo-mister about this 3 days > ago, but I haven't seen a commit fixing it. I don't recall seeing any mail from you about this. Did you send it to ? In any case, the val-tags file is not distributed to the mirrors. Fixing it on freefall wouldn't make any difference for the mirror sites. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 10: 8:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3DB37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3UH8Ff36083; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200104301708.f3UH8Ff36083@earth.backplane.com> To: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPyJFRE01RzcbKEI=?= Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-RELEASE kernel freeze(message dumped by ahc driver?) References: <20010429002918.4C85.UEDA@netforest.co.jp> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : :Hello, stable-users. : : I used FreeBSD 4.3-RC(1), and cvsuped with RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE on :27th Apr, did make world, make kernel, and then reboot on 28th. I :thought there was no problem, but 1 day later, kernel logged following :message and freeze. : :---------------- :Apr 28 03:02:04 www /kernel: (da0:ahc0:0:0:0): SCB 0x4b - timed out in Data-in phase, SEQADDR == 0x7e :Apr 28 03:02:05 www /kernel: STACK == 0x70, 0x192, 0x162, 0x0 :Apr 28 03:02:05 www /kernel: SXFRCTL0 == 0xa0 :... I've been having precisely the same problem. One of our main boxes crashes once every month or two with SCSI errors. This is on a DELL 2400 box with an on-board AIC7890/91 and a PCI aic7880, and quantum atlases. I just replaced the two quantums with seagates but since the crash occurs so infrequently I don't know whether changing the disks fixes it or not. If not then I'll mess with the BIOS a bit. SCB count = 200 card nextscv = 8 (da0:ahc:0:0:0):SCB 8: immediate reset. Flags = 0x4040 (da0:ahc:0:0:0):no longer in timeout, status = 34b ahc0: issued channel A bus reset. 14 SCBs aborted. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 10:11:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kevin.vic.bigpond.net.au (CPE-144-132-77-80.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.77.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F70C37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thutton@vet.com.au) Received: (from wally@localhost) by kevin.vic.bigpond.net.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3H0x3s01170; Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:59:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from thutton@vet.com.au) X-Authentication-Warning: kevin.vic.bigpond.net.au: wally set sender to thutton@vet.com.au using -f To: , Subject: Re: Dell Inspiron 8000 and FreeBSD 4.3 References: From: Toby Hutton Date: 17 Apr 2001 10:59:03 +1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <86y9t0nxyg.fsf@kevin.vic.bigpond.net.au> Lines: 54 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Trenton Schulz writes: > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > Hi, > > I recently got a i8000 for work and so far I am fairly pleased with the success > > I am having. Currently the internal modem and ethernet work, USB works and X is > > running. > > Just wondering? But does your Inspiron 8000 use the ATI Mobility and have > a builtin DVD drive? I had a couple problems that I can't seem to figure > out, and haven't annoyed me enough to do something about it... > > With X, sometimes, when I'm leaving the graphics mode(switching consoles or > ending my X session) the screen does a fade to a nice bright white and > locks up the machine, causing me to swear and hard reboot the notebook. > This is with XFree86 4.0.2 on up (I couldn't get a configuration to work > with XFree86-3). I'm wondering if it's my hardware or XFree86-4 not as > ready for primetime status. I have noticed this fade to white thing happens particularly if you are using the text consoles and change font size with Fn+F7 on one console and switch to another. > My DVD drive isn't detected unless I wait for about a minute to boot the > kernel (by setting the autoboot to 60). If I don't wait that long then I > get "ad0 identity retires exceeded" or something along those lines (don't > have the dmesg handy :( YES! I've been getting this but I hadn't found a way to fix it - I've been DVD-less for weeks. I'll try this waiting thing out, thanks! I've spoken to Soren Schmidt briefly, he believes the Dell ATA controller isn't following spec... > > Also, I can't suspend/resume which I am told is because of a BIOS bug which > > sucks but there's not much to be done about that :) > > (I can induce a suspend/resume OK but when the laptop comes back the fxp card > > spits millions of 'SCB timeout' and 'DMA timeout', and it seems the ata > > controller wedges, or doesn't reinit the controller). APM is the only thing not working for me now. I get 'resetting ATA devices' upon waking up or something similar and the machine freezes. I'm not going to freeze it now to get the proper messages... :) So for me, installing FreeBSD involved: Polling mode didn't work for the PCIC - gave it IRQ 10, fixed. Sound card wasn't detected - add snd_maestro3_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf, fixed. DVD drive not identified - wait a minute at boot, (hopefully) fixed. Everything else, including XFree86 4.03 @ 1400x1050 works beautifully. -- Toby. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:39:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tensor.xs4all.nl (tensor.xs4all.nl [213.84.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C6A37B424; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:39:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dim@xs4all.nl) Received: from matrix (matrix.xs4all.nl [192.168.1.2]) by tensor.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667714FEC; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200104302039190911.0118E86D@tensor.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (4) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:39:19 +0200 From: "Dimitry Andric" To: "Alfred Perlstein" , d_f0rce@gmx.de Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2001-04-30 at 02:32 Alfred Perlstein wrote: >Too many people shooting themselves in the feet. It also >stuck those people with systems where certain boot tricks >were no longer possible. Okay, this is reasonable, and since the undocumented key "F" is still mentioned at the end of the help text, anybody who actually _reads_ the information (heh! :-) will still be able to do it. But then the first part of the sysinstall help text would also need to be updated. It now says: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D If you want to use the entire disk for FreeBSD, type `A'. You'll be asked whether or not you wish to keep the disk (potentially) compatible with other operating systems, i.e. the information in the FDISK table should be kept valid. If you select the default of `Yes', slices will be aligned to fictitious cylinder boundaries and space will be reserved in front of the FreeBSD slice for a [future] possible boot manager. For the truly dedicated disk case, you can select `No' at the compatibility prompt. In that case, all BIOS geometry considerations will no longer be in effect and you can safely ignore any ``The detected geometry is invalid'' warning messages you may later see. It is also not necessary in this case to set a slice bootable or install an MBR boot manager as both things are then irrelevant. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Since this "dangerously dedicated" question is no longer asked, these paragraphs should be removed entirely, or else moved to the end, where the "F" key is explained. As an aside: for almost all machines that exclusively run FreeBSD, I always use the dedicated case, so that I can use partition names like "ad0a", "ad0e", ... instead of "ad0s1a", "ad0s1e", ... Is there any chance that the first naming scheme might disappear in the future? Cheers, - -- Dimitry Andric PGP key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dim/dim.asc KeyID: 4096/1024-0x2E2096A3 Fingerprint: 7AB4 62D2 CE35 FC6D 4239 4FCD B05E A30A 2E20 96A3 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Encrypted with PGP Plugin for Calypso Comment: http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/stoa_cover.htm iQA/AwUBOu2jQrBeowouIJajEQIf5wCcCDCwykJ9+0rwQvK1TRhFbZ0idjAAoNbs 8JPuirrHIjpy05ZaEQjJV44f =3DahIi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:41:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pilikia.net (pilikia.net [12.36.98.183]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A995E37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Received: from gecko (gecko.local.pilikia.net [10.25.0.9]) by pilikia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UIf6T05510 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:41:22 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Message-ID: <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.10.03.02 (3) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:41:22 -1000 Reply-To: art@pilikia.net From: "Arthur W. Neilson III" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt some= years ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no filesystem but= root would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I remembered I could use cat= dirname as a crude ls in order to navigate. This helped me find fsck in an obscure= directory and repair the hosed filesystems and recover the system. -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N - FISTS #7448 Bank of Hawaii Tech Support http://www.pilikia.net art@pilikia.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:49: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE5837B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from HP2500B (fuggle.veldy.net [64.1.117.28]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B35D6BA53 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:48:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00c801c0d1a5$f76fc440$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Subject: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:47:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is the next FreeBSD release going to be numbered 4.4? Now won't that be confusing to newcomers :) Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:52:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826A237B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3UIqD311964; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:52:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: veldy@veldy.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? In-Reply-To: <00c801c0d1a5$f76fc440$3028680a@tgt.com> References: <00c801c0d1a5$f76fc440$3028680a@tgt.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:52:13 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Subject: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:47:11 -0500 > Is the next FreeBSD release going to be numbered 4.4? Yes. > Now won't that be confusing to newcomers :) FreeBSD has its own independent release numbering scheme and any odd conclusions others may jump to is no fault of ours. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:53: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB1637B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f419NF480563; Tue, 1 May 2001 03:23:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 03:23:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: "Arthur W. Neilson III" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt some years > ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no filesystem but root > would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I remembered I could use cat dirname as > a crude ls in order to navigate. This helped me find fsck in an obscure directory > and repair the hosed filesystems and recover the system. echo * is another handy way to do that sometimes when nothing is available. I, also, have used the ability of most programs to read directories in an emergency situation. I also often use utilities like tail on binaries, etc. Just because your output is directed to a terminal doesn't mean a program shouldn't do what I want it to. I've often though of these little nicities, and it seems to me that a broader approach should be taken. Someone with the time could start a package that could be installed, perhaps at various different levels, that would make things prettier, include extra error messages, perhaps, eliminate (block) some dangerous commands, easy access to help, some menued commands perhaps, etc. etc. You could then put your machine in "user friendly" mode if desired, but those of us who expect Unix to behave like Unix can set it to mode 0. There could be levels in between without the "Are you sure you are really sure you answered the last are you sure question correctly?", but not quite totally bare..... Just a few thoughts I've had burried for some time.... Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 11:53:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (scully.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5410937B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 13718 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2001 18:52:25 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by scully.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 30 Apr 2001 18:52:25 -0000 Message-ID: <3AEDB4B0.15C7C43F@cvzoom.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:53:36 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: art@pilikia.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tail References: <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Arthur W. Neilson III" wrote: > > This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt some years > ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no filesystem but root > would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I remembered I could use cat dirname as > a crude ls in order to navigate. This helped me find fsck in an obscure directory > and repair the hosed filesystems and recover the system. Yeah, and you can do cat dirname | strings; it works a little better. Another potential use for this would be to see which files have not yet been flushed from the disk by the "rm" command. For example, if you remove several files from "dirname" via rm, and are running softupdates, you can see if the data is still on the disk by doing "cat dirname | strings". Similarly, if you had a large number of files in dirname, you could use tail to see the last 10 files physically on the disk. But the best use for tail on a directory would be tail -f dir | strings to see the files as they are being written to disk, and compare the output to "ls dir" to see how often files are being written/flushed. It would be to check softupdates performance, for example. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12: 7:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A5237B43C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17771 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:29:31 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: problem with plip stealing clock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG While using my main workstation as a local FTP for my laptop over plip, I noticed that FreeBSD was losing track of time at a prodigious rate. Over about five hours of downloading to my laptop, my main workstation lost close to 3.5 hours of time off its clock. During pulses of IO, the mouse also becomes very sluggish under X. I'd expect some slowdown because FreeBSD doesn't appear to use the DMA channel, but I never expected to see the affect on the clock--e.g., this message will say about 8:30 when the real time here is more like 12:00. Sounds like a bug to me . . . Any thoughts on how to work around/solve this? jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:27:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web1001.mail.yahoo.com (web1001.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 501F237B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedovaty@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 2003 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Apr 2001 19:27:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20010430192718.2002.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.128.82] by web1001.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:27:18 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jano Lukac Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Now won't that be confusing to newcomers :) > > FreeBSD has its own independent release numbering scheme and any odd > conclusions others may jump to is no fault of ours. :) Maybe I'm missing something.. why would it be confusing? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:29:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poontang.schulte.org (poontang.schulte.org [209.134.156.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1426337B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from christopher@schulte.org) Received: from schulte-laptop.schulte.org (nb40.netbriefings.com [64.183.199.40]) by poontang.schulte.org (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) with ESMTP id f3UJTV7Z050745; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:29:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> X-Sender: schulte@pop.schulte.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:28:40 -0500 To: Jano Lukac , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? In-Reply-To: <20010430192718.2002.qmail@web1001.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 'A complete operating system based on 4.4BSD.' At 12:27 PM 4/30/2001 -0700, Jano Lukac wrote: >--- Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > Now won't that be confusing to newcomers :) > > > > FreeBSD has its own independent release numbering scheme and any odd > > conclusions others may jump to is no fault of ours. :) > >Maybe I'm missing something.. why would it be confusing? > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:30:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5A937B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18201; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:30:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3AEDBD69.1BBEDA13@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:30:49 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper Reply-To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> <010b01c0d1aa$b61ea100$3028680a@tgt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Sounds like hardware to me. You probably want to run a time program via > cron to periodically update the clock rate. Well, that may be, but it was pretty well-behaved hardware until I used plip--no clock drift whatsoever. I have the daemon running at boot to update off of an external time source, but it seems pretty clear to me that the timer tick interrupt is getting clobbered--else why the drift only when plip is running a transfer? jmc > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Merryweather Cooper" > To: "FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:29 AM > Subject: problem with plip stealing clock > > > While using my main workstation as a local FTP for my laptop over plip, > > I noticed that FreeBSD was losing track of time at a prodigious rate. > > Over about five hours of downloading to my laptop, my main workstation > > lost close to 3.5 hours of time off its clock. During pulses of IO, the > > mouse also becomes very sluggish under X. I'd expect some slowdown > > because FreeBSD doesn't appear to use the DMA channel, but I never > > expected to see the affect on the clock--e.g., this message will say > > about 8:30 when the real time here is more like 12:00. Sounds like a > > bug to me . . . > > > > Any thoughts on how to work around/solve this? > > > > jmc > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:36:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FEC37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3UJZhP03854; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:35:43 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:35:43 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Doug Russell Cc: "Arthur W. Neilson III" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010501053543.B3528@phoenix.welearn.com.au> References: <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drussell@saturn-tech.com on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 03:23:15AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 03:23:15AM -0600, Doug Russell wrote: > > You could then put your machine in "user friendly" mode if desired, but > those of us who expect Unix to behave like Unix can set it to mode > 0. There could be levels in between without the "Are you sure you are > really sure you answered the last are you sure question correctly?", but > not quite totally bare..... As you indicate, it is important to be free to make one's own choices. Here's one example of where the standard behaviour is used. At work we have various flavours of commercial unix, and a few diverse Linux boxes. No BSD to speak of. I need to teach very basic unix skills to the operators and give them some place to practise. For this I have chosen FreeBSD on a dedicated training crash box. FreeBSD serves as the generic BSD model, with nothing else mixed in, and the differences found on some of the other machines make good examples of SysV to compare. That gives them two basic unix styles to learn about, rather than several. For the most part FreeBSD tools behave like the tools on any other unix, and that is important, pitfalls and all. One of the most important things to learn in our environment is where the hidden dangers are. You can destroy a server with something as apparently innocent as cat, so our rule is always run file before cat. They must see that the behaviour happens the same way as on the majority of other systems, if they are to be able to tranfer the learning and see the validity in the general work rules. We also get a lot of value out of studying the outcomes of accidents during learning, e.g. what happens when you cat the wrong thing on one of those old terminals. People who are already novices on several other systems don't have any trouble doing basic stuff on FreeBSD, because it does what they expect, no big surprises. That is important in today's heterogeneous unix environments. If someone wanted a unix system to be easy to use as an internal desktop machine and didn't ever plan to use any other system, I might recommend RedHat because it employs a lot of startling (to us) changes to make things seem "easier", and has a certain confidence building feel at first. But I've never met such a person. -- Regards, -*Sue*- -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:44:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54A337B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14uJb5-0002ND-00; Tue, 01 May 2001 07:44:39 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Donn Miller" Cc: Subject: RE: tail Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:44:08 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3AED6781.8746018D@cvzoom.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was going to let this one go, but... :: Like so many people before you already explained, doing tail on a :: directory IS useful in some rare situations, like for example, using :: tar, and certain other things. Note the "rare situations" -- it's not useful when you make a typo, or a mistake. :: Remember, a directory is treated as a :: regular file on unix filesystems. Not sure about this; if you e.g. vi a directory, it will warn you that it isn't a "regular file". :: I see no reason to correct tail's :: behavior. If you sit there and do `tail' on a directory all day long, :: then you've got problems. Surely, you might want to modifiy cat's :: behavior, because some poor unsuspecting user might get some ugly :: garbage printed to his terminal when he does 'cat' on a disk device. So the best thing to do is to keep the current behaviour for tail et al, but make it accessible through a flag. Most of the time, that behaviour isn't desirable, hence it should only be invoked if you really need it. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:48:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [207.167.3.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B037037B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:48:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3UJmhg16664; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:48:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200104301948.f3UJmhg16664@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: Donn Miller Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:53:36 EDT." <3AEDB4B0.15C7C43F@cvzoom.net> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:48:43 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Donn" == Donn Miller writes: Donn> Yeah, and you can do cat dirname | strings; Another recipient of the Gratuitous Use of Cat award. 'strings dirname' works just fine. (And if he didn't have ls available, it's a safe bet that strings wasn't there, either ;-) --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 12:54:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [207.167.3.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B298C37B43C for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:54:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3UJsLg16702; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:54:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200104301954.f3UJsLg16702@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Donn Miller" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 May 2001 07:44:08 +1200." Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:54:21 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Juha" == Juha Saarinen writes: Juha> Note the "rare situations" -- it's not useful when you make Juha> a typo, or a mistake. A better fix would be to change your shell to /usr/local/bin/ispell. Juha> So the best thing to do is to keep the current behaviour for Juha> tail et al, but make it accessible through a flag. No, the best thing to do is to run Windows. Microsoft Excels (nyuk nyuk) in telling you all the things you shouldn't do. --lyndon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 13: 2:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5111E37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3UK22Q55400; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:02:03 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:02:02 +1200 (NZST) From: Dan Langille X-Sender: dan@lists.unixathome.org To: Chris Byrnes Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > It might be, depending on what you were feeding it to. I think the > > point people are making is that directory data is, in certain cases, > > also potentially useful for something they might conceivably want to > > do, and if you yourself don't want to look at it then you shouldn't > > ask the system to show it to you. "Doctor, it hurts when I poke > > myself in the eye.." :) > > We have rm -rf to protect us from doing things to directories (IE: rm > /poop). This avoids catastraphic file removals. > We need tail -argument to protect us from doing things to directories. This avoids nothing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 13:40:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quarter.csl.sri.com (quarter.csl.sri.com [130.107.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252D537B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:40:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.20]) by quarter.csl.sri.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3UKdtN12758; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:39:55 -0700 Message-Id: <200104302039.f3UKdtN12758@quarter.csl.sri.com> To: art@pilikia.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: Message from "Arthur W. Neilson III" of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:41:22 -1000." <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:39:55 -0700 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Arthur W. Neilson III writes: ---------------------------------------- This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt some years ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no filesystem but root would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I remembered I could use cat dirname as a crude ls in order to navigate. This helped me find fsck in an obscure directory and repair the hosed filesystems and recover the system. ---------------------------------------- I've had a similar experience under like circumstances. I suspect that many system administrators, having painted themselves or found themselves painted into a corner, are glad that low-level functionality like this exists. -- Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com And then [Clinton] turned to Hunter Thompson, of all people, and said with wholehearted fervor, "We're going to put one hundred thousand new police officers on the street." I was up all night persuading Hunter that this was not a personal threat. -- P. J. O'Rourke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 13:54:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48C8237B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:54:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f41BSeV80778; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:28:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:28:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Donn Miller , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: tail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Note the "rare situations" -- it's not useful when you make a typo, or a > mistake. > > :: Remember, a directory is treated as a > :: regular file on unix filesystems. > > Not sure about this; if you e.g. vi a directory, it will warn you that it > isn't a "regular file". Only because vi specifically recognises that case. > :: I see no reason to correct tail's > :: behavior. If you sit there and do `tail' on a directory all day long, > :: then you've got problems. Surely, you might want to modifiy cat's > :: behavior, because some poor unsuspecting user might get some ugly > :: garbage printed to his terminal when he does 'cat' on a disk device. > > So the best thing to do is to keep the current behaviour for tail et al, but > make it accessible through a flag. Most of the time, that behaviour isn't > desirable, hence it should only be invoked if you really need it. No, the behavior should stay the same by default, with a flag that can be used to turn on "sanity checking". You would have to change FAR, FAR too many things to make the whole system dafault to "typo proof" behavior. Like I said in my previous message, having some sort of add-on that you could use to MAKE the system more user-friendly, etc would be a very worthwhile (although rather large) project, and 'A Good Thing'. Changing the default behavior of the entire system to be more like Windows is NOT. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 14: 3:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7ED837B625 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14uKop-0002Rt-00; Tue, 01 May 2001 09:02:55 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Doug Russell" Cc: "Donn Miller" , Subject: RE: tail Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:02:23 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: No, the behavior should stay the same by default, with a flag that can be :: used to turn on "sanity checking". You would have to change FAR, FAR too :: many things to make the whole system dafault to "typo proof" behavior. :: :: Like I said in my previous message, having some sort of add-on that you :: could use to MAKE the system more user-friendly, etc would be a very :: worthwhile (although rather large) project, and 'A Good Thing'. Changing :: the default behavior of the entire system to be more like Windows is NOT. So you're basically saying that for normal users, tail et al should recognise special files like directories, but for superusers (and maybe in single user/maintenance mode) it should default to the old-style behaviour? That would indeed be a big project... I wouldn't worry about making FreeBSD "more like Windows". Have you ever tried the Windows (DOS/NT CMD) command line? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 14: 3:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from noid.org (para.noid.org [209.247.165.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C0437B629; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrlist@noid.org) Received: from insomnia (scream.wlv.netzero.net [209.247.163.9]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25755; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:07:40 -0700 Message-ID: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> From: "Nick's Lists" To: Cc: Subject: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:03:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The box is a dual P3 with 2g ram, running Qmail which is handling inbound email. I'm running 4.2 Release (though I've had similar problems with 3.4 Stable a few months back, and never solved them either). After a 36 - 48hrs, the box will panic with "panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3". It doesn't seem to happen during periods of peak load, the last crash occurred at 3:45AM and there have been days when the box has made it through our peak load times with no problems. When the box was initially installed, it was running out of files. I built a new kernel with maxusers = 512. The box seemed to last about 48 hours or so before crashing with the out of kvm panic. After a bit of digging around, I came to the conclusion (erroneously?) that the problem was caused by bumping maxusers up too high and chewing through too much memory allocating space for a large number of files and processes. As a result, I've tried maxusers at 256, 128, and 64. With maxusers at 64, I've bumped maxfiles to 5000 via sysctl. That didn't seem to make any difference, the box seemed to crash every 36 - 48 hours with the same panic. It was suggested to me a couple of days ago, to try running maxusers = 1024. I tried that after the box crashed this last time. With that setting, the box only stayed up for 6 hours, from 3:45AM to 9:45AM. The last few lines of vmstat 2 prior to the crash are: procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ml0 md0 in sy cs us sy id 10 8 0 24248 778400 3022 0 0 0 2453 0 171 0 744 10659 1586 7 28 65 5 5 0 20900 780140 3353 0 0 0 3610 0 295 0 953 8824 2595 7 39 54 0 5 0 19096 780644 1339 0 0 0 1437 0 95 0 512 3188 886 1 15 84 1 4 0 17460 781020 940 0 0 0 973 0 83 0 417 3143 711 3 14 83 1 5 0 17384 780988 1842 0 0 0 1762 0 172 0 646 5964 1271 4 21 75 5 8 0 19908 779424 1527 0 0 0 1249 0 110 0 541 5080 799 4 17 79 I was also running vmstat -m every 5 seconds - the last output of that is: Mon Apr 30 03:43:54 PDT 2001 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 62374K 12435K 73429925 The only notable event I've noticed is that a few minutes prior to each crash, the number of established connections (netstat -n | grep -c EST) seems to spike up pretty dramatically. About 15 min prior to the 3:45AM crash, the number of established connections spiked from the 90 - 100 range to about 250, and then dropped back to the 90 - 100 range. Another, non BSD box, running at the same weight behind the load balancer stayed in the 90 - 100 connections range at the time the FBSD box's connections spiked up. I've seen similar behavior with all the prior crashes. I have savecore enabled, but it doesn't seem to be leaving a core when it reboots. My next step is going to be to cvsup to 4.3-stable and enable ddb. I'm doing this mainly in an effort to be on the latest in the hopes that this was fixed between 4.2 and 4.3. Does anyone have any suggestions? TIA! - Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 14:23:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Thanatos.Shenton.Org (a3.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68CE037B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:23:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 84973 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Apr 2001 21:23:48 -0000 To: Christopher Schulte Cc: Jano Lukac , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> From: Chris Shenton Date: 30 Apr 2001 17:23:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Christopher Schulte's message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:28:40 -0500" Message-ID: <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >Maybe I'm missing something.. why would it be confusing? Christopher Schulte writes: > 'A complete operating system based on 4.4BSD.' Not as silly as the inevitable stupidity: Pentium 5. :-) / 2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 14:27:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from toto.jofa.co.uk (toto.jofa.co.uk [194.242.136.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD22537B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@surf.org.uk) Received: from surf.org.uk (async198-14.nas.onetel.net.uk [212.67.110.198]) by toto.jofa.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C7FD348 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:27:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3AED3E1C.B949D746@surf.org.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:27:40 +0100 From: Simon Loader Reply-To: simon@surf.org.uk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? References: <00c801c0d1a5$f76fc440$3028680a@tgt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > > Is the next FreeBSD release going to be numbered 4.4? Now won't that be > confusing to newcomers :) > Wasnt there a bsd4.3 and 4.2 so isnt it already confusing ???? -- Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15: 4:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1206437B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f3ULxLS22568; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: John Andersson Cc: "'Alfred Perlstein'" , Subject: RE: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf In-Reply-To: <000c01c0d18f$3ef97c00$0fad2fc2@te31002> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Actually, what I suspect is happening, is that the maxfiles is raised for all future processes spawned by init (or what have you), but /etc/rc's shell is already running and all the descendents of that shell inherit the same rlimits as their parent. Thus, it seems to make sense as to why your ircd is not getting the higher maxfiles. The reason -l works is because it does a full login. Check the -l switch in the su(1) man page. The end of the paragraph talks about rlimits. -gordon On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, John Andersson wrote: > I didn't find and info about the ulimit built-in, but I actually made a > successful test by modified the ircd startup script by adding "su -l > xxxx -c /usr/.../ircd". It does not work without the "-l" parameter. It > seems a bit strange though, that this should be needed. Probably is the > number of descriptors info saved in the shell process somehow, and ircd > is using that info. > > Thanks for the help! > > Regards, > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- > > stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of 'Alfred Perlstein' > > Sent: den 30 april 2001 17:57 > > To: John Andersson > > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Delayed effects of sysctl.conf > > > > * John Andersson [010430 08:54] wrote: > > > The ircd is started by a startup script in > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. I > > > looked at the /etc/rc script and noticed (as you said) that > > sysctl.conf > > > is read long before the ircd startup script. > > > > > > Still, ircd does not notice the changes in maxfiles. Similar > > effects can > > > be found by executing the "limit" built-in command in tcsh, > > that reports > > > the number of descriptors. It does not see the changes > > directly after > > > "sysctl -w kern.maxfiles", but it does so later, after a > > login. > > > > You probably want to use the ulimit builtin to request a larger > > limit in your startup script. > > > > -Alfred > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.primenet.com (smtp04.primenet.com [206.165.6.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A694437B424; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp04.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA19883; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:09:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp04.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAW7aWXM; Mon Apr 30 15:09:44 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12613; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:10:35 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200104302210.PAA12613@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Spontanous reboot of SMP system and FBSD 4.3 To: ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (Hartmann, O.) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Hartmann, O." at Apr 29, 2001 11:42:13 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > One of our server systems, a TYAN Thunder 2500 ServerWorks Set III HE > based dual PIII based machine with AMI Enterprise 1600 RAID and 2GB > RAM seems to reboot spontanously without any reason. This is the first > time I realise this without having APM enabled into the kernel, which > has been detected to be a reason for spontanous reboots on boards > without APM to us. > > Well, in the time this machine rebooted itself there was no load, no > extraordinary activity or heavy load. I realised this this morning > checking the logs. > > Several days ago someone asked in the list for stability issues concerning > SMP on several architectures and I responded that our TYAN Thunder 2500 > based boards have run for a long time. I think I have to revise this > statement. I hope it is a simple problem with the kernel config because > the selected hardware, power supplies and UPS system we use is first > choice for this system and showed no problems before. > > Does anyone know, whether the kernel options AUTO_EOI1 and AUTO_EOI2 > do have serious impacts on stability? On this machine we configured kernel > with both options "ON" and have had no problems within the last 9 > months. I know that many system boards do not work with both options > set, but the TYAN Thunder 2500 seems to do - but could this be the reason > for spontanous reboots? I have seen a number of issues with Tyan motherboards, most recently, the Tyan Tiger. I suggest you rebuild your kernel with DDB and BREAK_TO_DEBUGGER options, and do a traceback next time there is a problem. If this is a true "spontaneous reboot", you may want to tell us the load you are placing on the system, and the exact version of FreeBSD you are using. In particular, bad things can happen if you use more than 32,767 sockets on 4.3-RELEASE (among other load related issues, such as running out of mbuf clusters). On some of the Tyan Tiger boards I've fought withm the system becomes extremely unstable because the invltlb() call after switching to 4M pages is not correctly communicated to the I/O APIC, and unless you have enough memory allocations to force all 8 4M entries out, it can lose its mind, relative to the TLB of one or more of the main CPUs. If this is the case, using the DISABLE_PSE option might help you as well (this seems to be a bug in the BIOS programming of the I/O APIC; I haven't tracked it past there). Changing the code to cause an "unnecessary" reload of control register 3 could help things for you, assuining you are mapping large (4M) device memory or something like that... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:12:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com (web12004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73B4F37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xulfralos@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010430221235.77507.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.168.166.3] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) From: SolarFlux Subject: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just installed 4.3-RELEASE last week and tried to get netscape47-communicator from ports. It says that it is 4.76 and broken and doesn't install... So, how to get 4.77 on there, upgrade ports? Why wasn't 4.77 put in there in the first place, it's been out for a number of weeks now. Just curious, TIA. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:19:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A3837B422; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3UMJOG80255; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200104302210.PAA12613@usr01.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:18:46 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Spontanous reboot of SMP system and FBSD 4.3 Cc: freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, (Hartmann, O.) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30-Apr-01 Terry Lambert wrote: > > On some of the Tyan Tiger boards I've fought withm the system > becomes extremely unstable because the invltlb() call after > switching to 4M pages is not correctly communicated to the I/O > APIC, and unless you have enough memory allocations to force all > 8 4M entries out, it can lose its mind, relative to the TLB of > one or more of the main CPUs. Ummm, what the heck are you talking about? The I/O APIC routes interrupts, it doesn't access memory. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:21:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from maile.telia.com (maile.telia.com [194.22.190.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2943A37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by maile.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3UMLQO07278 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20521 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 32306 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Apr 2001 22:21:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 00:21:23 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: SolarFlux Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? Message-ID: <20010501002123.A32270@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: SolarFlux , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010430221235.77507.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010430221235.77507.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com>; from xulfralos@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:12:35PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:12:35PM -0700, SolarFlux wrote: > Just installed 4.3-RELEASE last week and tried to get > netscape47-communicator from ports. It says that it > is 4.76 and broken and doesn't install... So, how to > get 4.77 on there, upgrade ports? Why wasn't 4.77 put > in there in the first place, it's been out for a > number of weeks now. Just curious, TIA. > The reason why 4.77 isn't in the ports collection is because the people at Netscape haven't compiled a native FreeBSD version of 4.77 yet. Since nobody else has the source code they are the ones that have to do it. Solution/workaround: Use linux-netscape47-communiator from ports instead. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:31: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.phx.gblx.net (smtp10.phx.gblx.net [206.165.6.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A0F37B43C; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp10.phx.gblx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23744; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:30:53 -0700 Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp10.phx.gblx.net, id smtpdLhwREa; Mon Apr 30 15:30:47 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12638; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:39 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200104302231.PAA12638@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Spontanous reboot of SMP system and FBSD 4.3 To: jhb@FreeBSD.ORG (John Baldwin) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:31:34 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ((Hartmann O.)) In-Reply-To: from "John Baldwin" at Apr 30, 2001 03:18:46 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On some of the Tyan Tiger boards I've fought withm the system > > becomes extremely unstable because the invltlb() call after > > switching to 4M pages is not correctly communicated to the I/O > > APIC, and unless you have enough memory allocations to force all > > 8 4M entries out, it can lose its mind, relative to the TLB of > > one or more of the main CPUs. > > Ummm, what the heck are you talking about? The I/O APIC routes interrupts, it > doesn't access memory. I thought all APICs participated in the MESI coherency protocol, and all had the TLB caches? The system I fought with was "SMP capable", but did not have a second CPU installed. The only things that could get out of date would be the TLB contents in the cache lines. If I grab enough resources to cause age-based TLB shootdown, I don't have the problem. Otherwise I fault in the I/O path, when paging in. Supermicro motherboards don't have the problem. Setting the "DISABLE_PSE" option makes everything happy again; I suspect forcing a shootdown via a reload of CR3, or explicitly invalidating the GDT, would fix my problem. Right now, I just up my initial resource consumption and ignore it. Without this, I get similar symptoms to what he's reporting. Oh... he will probably want to turn on INVARIANTS, too, and then convert the printf() in kern/kern_malloc.c in malloc() to actually panic for "Data modified on freelist", instead of continuing to run to a cascade failure resulting in a spontaneous reboot... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:31:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC1A37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFFD310F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <015b01c0d1c5$5bc6eda0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Christopher Schulte" , "Chris Shenton" Cc: "Jano Lukac" , References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com><5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:31:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What I think is worse is that since the pentium they can't come up with a new name for their chips, besides their codenames. > Not as silly as the inevitable stupidity: Pentium 5. > > :-) / 2 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:35:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E008637B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA11628; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:35:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AEDE89D.FC478F79@eboa.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:35:09 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install References: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > >... > > Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? > > Too many people shooting themselves in the feet. It also > stuck those people with systems where certain boot tricks > were no longer possible. Yeah, well, isn't that what they're there for? Target practice? What I'm wondering is what the impact of this decision might be on the long term for those of us running dangerously dedicated (cough, cough)? Having "../sysinstall/disks.c" undocumented is one thing, having it not there - presumably because this chicked is still at 4.2-S - something different alltogether. Had a quick looksee, looks like that's the culprit allright. Somehow I find the thought of mayhap having to reformat my hard disks to install the latest and greatest - say 6.0-STABLE - quite unsettling . Roelof -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- eBOA® est. 1982 tel. +31-58-2123014 web. http://eBOA.com/ fax. +31-58-2160293 mail info@eBOA.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:52:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.Killaz-r-us.COM (shell.killaz-r-us.com [216.102.57.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7A737B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsdsta@shell.killaz-r-us.com) Received: from localhost (fbsdsta@localhost) by shell.Killaz-r-us.COM (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3UMsQD04814 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:54:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fbsdsta@shell.killaz-r-us.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: fbsdsta To: Subject: 4.3-STABLE crashing on compile of buildworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok.... I did a few things here to log this error.... i did make buildworld >/usr/buildworld.log without the & at the end.... this is the error messages when they print to the screen: ---- c-decl.o(.text+0xf70): multiple definition of `global_bindings_p' decl.o(.text+0x1b4): first defined here /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a(c-dec l.o)(.data+0x54): multiple definition of `warn_multichar' decl2.o(.data+0x30): first defined here /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a(c-dec l.o): In function `finish_function': c-decl.o(.text+0x8360): multiple definition of `finish_function' decl.o(.text+0x10880): first defined here /usr/libexec/elf/ld: Warning: size of symbol `finish_function' changed from 3003 to 565 in c-decl.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a(c-dec l.o): In function `implicitly_declare': c-decl.o(.text+0x2a81): undefined reference to `maybe_objc_check_decl' /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a(c-dec l.o): In function `finish_decl': c-decl.o(.text+0x4b1c): undefined reference to `maybe_objc_check_decl' ----- This is the Areas that they Occured at in the buildworld (the last few lines of the .log) --- cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE= \"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -DPREFIX=\"/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/cp -I. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus /../../../../contrib/gcc/cp/xref.c cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE= \"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -DPREFIX=\"/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr\" -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/config -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/cp -I. -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -static -o cc1plus parse.o call.o class.o cvt.o decl.o decl2.o errfn.o error.o except.o expr.o friend.o init.o lex.o method.o pt.o ptree.o repo.o rtti.o search.o semantics.o sig.o spew.o tree.o typeck.o typeck2.o xref.o /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:54:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C94237B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:54:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UMxRv02904; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200104302259.f3UMxRv02904@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Roelof Osinga Cc: Alfred Perlstein , d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 May 2001 00:35:09 +0200." <3AEDE89D.FC478F79@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:59:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Somehow I find the thought of mayhap having to reformat my hard > disks to install the latest and greatest - say 6.0-STABLE - quite = > unsettling . You run more risk of us deciding to desupport your keyboard because the = particular shade of beige it's cast in is offensive. -- = =2E.. every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 15:58:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDACD37B423; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f3UMw1G81213; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200104302231.PAA12638@usr01.primenet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:57:23 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: Spontanous reboot of SMP system and FBSD 4.3 Cc: ((Hartmann O.)) Cc: ((Hartmann O.)) , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-smp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 30-Apr-01 Terry Lambert wrote: >> > On some of the Tyan Tiger boards I've fought withm the system >> > becomes extremely unstable because the invltlb() call after >> > switching to 4M pages is not correctly communicated to the I/O >> > APIC, and unless you have enough memory allocations to force all >> > 8 4M entries out, it can lose its mind, relative to the TLB of >> > one or more of the main CPUs. >> >> Ummm, what the heck are you talking about? The I/O APIC routes interrupts, >> it >> doesn't access memory. > > I thought all APICs participated in the MESI coherency protocol, > and all had the TLB caches? APIC != cache. APIC routes interrupts including device interrupts from the 8259 (in virtual wire mode) or from the I/O APIC (symmetric I/O mode used with MP) as well as IPI's. It communicates over a separate ICC bus. It does not use the same bus that the CPU cache's use. > The system I fought with was "SMP capable", but did not have a > second CPU installed. The only things that could get out of > date would be the TLB contents in the cache lines. If I grab > enough resources to cause age-based TLB shootdown, I don't have > the problem. Otherwise I fault in the I/O path, when paging in. > > Supermicro motherboards don't have the problem. > > Setting the "DISABLE_PSE" option makes everything happy again; I > suspect forcing a shootdown via a reload of CR3, or explicitly > invalidating the GDT, would fix my problem. Right now, I just up > my initial resource consumption and ignore it. > > Without this, I get similar symptoms to what he's reporting. I'm not sure why you are having a problem with this. The AP's all sit in a holding pen until the page tables have more or less stabilized at which point they flush their local TLB in ap_init() just before their first context switch. %cr3 is then reloaded on subsequent context switches. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 16: 2: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmod.ath.cx (CC2-861.charter-stl.com [24.217.115.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C75137B440 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh3@chmod.ath.cx) Received: by chmod.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1BA92A936; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:08 -0500 From: Andrew Hesford To: Chris Shenton Cc: Christopher Schulte , Jano Lukac , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Message-ID: <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org>; from chris@shenton.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:23:48PM -0400 X-Loop: Andrew Hesford Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 05:23:48PM -0400, Chris Shenton wrote: > Not as silly as the inevitable stupidity: Pentium 5. > > :-) / 2 First generation Pentiums (straight Pentiums) were called 586s. Second, third, and fourth-generation Pentiums (Pro, II, III, respectively) are called 686s. If we consider that Pentium is so named because it's the fifth generation Intel processor, we ought to take the Pentium III to be the third generation of Pentiums (but it's really the fourth), and we ought to call consider the prefix pent as 5, and III as 3, so that the Pentium III yields 8 and is thus an 886. But no, it's a 686. Now what about the P4? Is that still the 686 core? If so, the situation is even worse now. So while Pentium 5 isn't inherently stupid (it's just a fifth-generation pentium), it is bad for Intel because it's really the sixth generation of Pentium chip, and it might be called a 686, 786, or even 886. Boy, now I'm really confused. What ever happened to simple numbers? They have to call it Pentium forever, because "Hexium", "Septium", "Octium", "Nonium", and "Decium" all sound stupid. Although, if you take the alternate prefix for 6, you get Sexium, which either sounds like a really sexy processor, or one designed for porn servers. I'm glad I'm not the Intel marketer having to set product names... I'd just call the future P5 an i1086. -- Andrew Hesford ajh3@chmod.ath.cx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 16:19: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7107037B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:19:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@awww.jeah.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f3UNIsK45562 for stable@FREEBSD.org; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:18:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:18:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes Message-Id: <200104302318.f3UNIsK45562@awww.jeah.net> To: stable@FREEBSD.org Subject: sysinstall error Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG awww# pwd /usr/src/release/sysinstall awww# make all depend install Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/release/sysinstall make: don't know how to make sysinstall.1. Stop awww# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 16:42: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6190F37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3385A10F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <022101c0d1cf$2a024080$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Andrew Hesford" , "Chris Shenton" Cc: "Christopher Schulte" , "Jano Lukac" , References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:42:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You have to give them that, they actually did design a new core for the p4. > Now what about the P4? Is that still the 686 core? If so, the situation > is even worse now. So while Pentium 5 isn't inherently stupid (it's just > a fifth-generation pentium), it is bad for Intel because it's really the > sixth generation of Pentium chip, and it might be called a 686, 786, or > even 886. > > Boy, now I'm really confused. What ever happened to simple numbers? Intel would rather copyright something than make it simple. Its easy to market something called the pentium and its harder to compare against a competitor. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 16:42:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sand.wit.ch (mowitch.demon.co.uk [212.229.125.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858F37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:42:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mo@wit.ch) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (big-apple.wit.ch [192.168.1.35]) by sand.wit.ch (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3UNgTm02237 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:42:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mo@wit.ch) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:43:23 +0100 Subject: umass - SmartMedia Reader/Writer on USB From: Moritz Willers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to get a SmartMedia Reader/Writer connected via USB to my FreeBSD 4.3 stable system. After reading http://lists.suse.com/archives/linux-usb/2000-Jan/1469.html (skipping all the garbage) and other URL's I am convinced that it should just be another mass storage device. Looking at the names of the drivers they are shipping for MacOS or Windows seems to confirm this. The message I get, when it is attached, has class, subclass and protocol set to 0x0, which is typical for mass storage devices as well, as I learned tonight. Unfortunately umass doesn't pick it up and it gets dropped into the ugen class. usbd: attach event at 988672642.463984000, product 0x0131, Genesys Logic, Inc.: vndr=0x05e3 prdct=0x0131 rlse=0x0000 clss=0x0000 subclss=0x0000 prtcl=0x0000 device names: ugen0 Any pointers on how I could convince umass to accept the device? Or will it not be that simple? Would really a special driver be needed? I still believe a combination of umass/camcontrol/mount should do the trick. any help would be greatly appreciated - mo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 17:19:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from siil.ttg.edu.ee (siil.ttg.edu.ee [213.168.6.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49CE737B640 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonuj@siil.ttg.edu.ee) Received: from localhost (tonuj@localhost) by siil.ttg.edu.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA30408 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 02:19:53 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 02:19:53 +0200 (GMT-2) From: T6nU To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: suspend to HDD Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG is it somehow possible to make freebsd turn off hard disks when system is idle? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 18:28:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A7437B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00315; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:28:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105010128.SAA00315@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: <200104300841220210.0C7DBEE8@smtp> from "Arthur W. Neilson III" at "Apr 30, 1 08:41:22 am" To: art@pilikia.net Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:28:01 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > This very functionality, being able to cat a directory, saved my butt > some years ago on an unfamiliar sys5r2 box which had crashed and no > filesystem but root would mount. ls wasn't in the path and I > remembered I could use cat dirname as a crude ls in order to navigate. > This helped me find fsck in an obscure directory and repair the hosed > filesystems and recover the system. If you've got a working shell, "echo *" will frequently work to navigate as well. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 18:32:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-27.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1870337B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:32:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F11366E41; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:32:22 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: SolarFlux Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? Message-ID: <20010430183222.A95030@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010430221235.77507.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="huq684BweRXVnRxX" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010430221235.77507.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com>; from xulfralos@yahoo.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:12:35PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 03:12:35PM -0700, SolarFlux wrote: > Just installed 4.3-RELEASE last week and tried to get > netscape47-communicator from ports. It says that it > is 4.76 and broken and doesn't install... So, how to > get 4.77 on there, upgrade ports? Why wasn't 4.77 put > in there in the first place, it's been out for a > number of weeks now. Just curious, TIA. Correction: The *linux* (and Windows, etc) version of netscape 4.77 has been out for a number of weeks. Go and find me a native FreeBSD version of 4.77, if you can ;-) Kris --huq684BweRXVnRxX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67hIlWry0BWjoQKURAmRzAJ4205OM2pAxsPFKGPMnh6oMCuk5LQCeMzQE 2l51b/+u3HJS8Pi4xkEqAfM= =Q1jf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --huq684BweRXVnRxX-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 18:46: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A22937B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA6016696; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22091; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200105010145.VAA22091@world.std.com> To: Valentin Nechayev Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20010430114352.C646@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <200104301132.f3UBWE810157@mass.dis.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 19:16:20 +0300 >From: Valentin Nechayev >To: Mike Smith , > Jamie Heckford >Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? > >Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 04:32:14, msmith (Mike Smith) wrote >about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > >> > > It means that you have "PNP OS" turned on in your BIOS, and the version >> > > of FreeBSD that you are running is not a "PNP OS". >> > Does "options PNPBIOS" fix this? I have a SiS496+AMDK4/133 box where >> > FreeBSD4 hangs up without this option during searching ISA PnP devices, and >> > there are no "PNP OS Yes/No" switch in BIOS. "options PNPBIOS" enables >> > system to load and work correctly but it was found occasionally, >> > no man mentiones this option in such context. (FreeBSD3 did not require >> > any special options to boot.) >> No, it doesn't. And FreeBSD 3.x doesn't support that network adapter at all. > >Sorry, I misspecified context for my question. The system I described >has none ISA PnP devices (really, it has UM9008F in jumperless mode, >which don't reply to PnP queries), the question is not related to `Subject:' >of this thread, but only to "PNP Yes/No" switches in BIOS. And on it, >kernel.GENERIC and any tested 4.x kernel without PNPBIOS option hangs >during hardware checking without any descriptive messages. (The solution >was found after comparing verbose boot output of this system and non-problem >neighbour: it hangs before check PNP devices via first protocol broadcast >port, AFAIR 0x203.) > >> It looks like we are going to need to do some work on this fairly >> quickly, but in the meantime, you are SOL with that board. > >What does PNPBIOS option do? It controls whether the BIOS or the OS will configure PnP devices. At this time the only OSes I'm aware of that are PnP-aware are the newer ones from Microsoft. If you select PNPBIOS, the BIOS should configure (ie. allocate resources for) PnP devices after POST but before OS-boot. (But check with your BIOS documentation.) Some mainboard/BIOS setups (for example Asus with Award BIOS) call this option "PnP OS." In these cases, "no" means you are telling your BIOS that the OS is *not* PnP, so PnP devices should be BIOS-configured. >Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 13:17:59, heckfordj (Jamie Heckford) >wrote about "Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED?": > >> All of the recent BIOS's support this option - it may be hidden >> as something like: >> >> "Operating System Type:" >> >> "WindowsME/2000" >> "Windows95/98" >> "Windows NT4.0/Other" > >This system was bought in April 1996. None of similar switch, neither >in menus nor in documentation. > >/netch -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 18:47:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E38637B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00495; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:45:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105010145.SAA00495@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? In-Reply-To: <022101c0d1cf$2a024080$931576d8@inethouston.net> from "David W. Chapman Jr." at "Apr 30, 1 06:42:05 pm" To: dwcjr@inethouston.net (David W. Chapman Jr.) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:45:54 -0700 (MST) Cc: ajh3@chmod.ath.cx, chris@shenton.org, christopher@schulte.org, jedovaty@yahoo.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Intel would rather copyright something than make it simple. Its easy > to market something called the pentium and its harder to compare > against a competitor. Which is why the AT7T "System" progression stopped at SysV. Once the copyright/trademark folks got done, and all the documentation got printed, they couldn't afford a SysVI. Nope, instead we got SysV, SysVr2, SysVr3, SysVr4. And then, for good measure (after, for example, Solaris got forked off) we got SysVr4.2 and SysVr4.3. Sheesh... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 20:22:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BBF937B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@inethouston.net) Received: from daimon (24-240-234-140.hsacorp.net [24.240.234.140]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0A610F40F for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:22:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> From: "Michael J. Turner" To: Subject: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:21:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01C0D1C3.ED6AC800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C0D1C3.ED6AC800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have a small problem. I can't seem to get my sound to work. I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I tired many various things as far as adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in /dev and other things. In kde it seems that i get the mixer and everything. but no sound. i even tried not being in kde and play a mp3 but no luck at all. I know it's not = hardware related the card is fine. Please I would be very thankful if someone = could help me out. I have another machine at work and it also has a = SoundBlaster=20 PCI 128 and the sound will not work at all. any suggestions? Michael J. Turner Please email to: mike@inethouston.net ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C0D1C3.ED6AC800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in = /dev and other=20 things. In kde
it seems that i get the mixer and = everything. but=20 no sound. i even tried
not being in kde and play a mp3 but no = luck at all.=20 I know it's not hardware
related the card is fine. Please I = would be very=20 thankful if someone could
help me out. I have another machine at = work and it=20 also has a SoundBlaster
PCI 128 and the sound will not work at = all. any=20 suggestions?
 
Michael J. Turner
Please email to:
mike@inethouston.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C0D1C3.ED6AC800-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 20:34:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB04E37B424 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 20:34:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0631110F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:34:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <02b501c0d1ef$aec35640$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Michael J. Turner" , References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:34:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C0D1C5.C5CBBC80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C0D1C5.C5CBBC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard ct5880 = chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does = not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id =3D=3D 0) device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 cat /dev/sndstat cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured The one that works is 4.3-stable shortly after -release, the one that = fails is 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #3: Fri Apr 27 11:48:04 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael J. Turner=20 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Hi all, I have a small problem. I can't seem to get my sound to work. I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I tired many various things as far as adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in /dev and other things. In kde it seems that i get the mixer and everything. but no sound. i even = tried not being in kde and play a mp3 but no luck at all. I know it's not = hardware related the card is fine. Please I would be very thankful if someone = could help me out. I have another machine at work and it also has a = SoundBlaster=20 PCI 128 and the sound will not work at all. any suggestions? Michael J. Turner Please email to: mike@inethouston.net ------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C0D1C5.C5CBBC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have the same problem.  I have 2 = identical=20 systems with onboard ct5880 chips(sb128).  Both are 4.3-stable, one = works=20 correctly, the other does not.  On the system that does not work I = get this=20 upon bootup
 
pcm0: <AudioPCI ES1371> port = 0xd400-0xd43f=20 irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0
pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present = (id =3D=3D=20 0)
device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6
 cat /dev/sndstat
cat: = /dev/sndstat: Device=20 not configured
The one that works is 4.3-stable = shortly after=20 -release, the one that fails is 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #3: Fri Apr 27=20 11:48:04
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael J.=20 Turner
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 = 10:21=20 PM
Subject: SoundBlaster PCI = 128

Hi all, I have a small problem. I = can't seem to=20 get my sound to work.
I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I = tired many=20 various things as far as
adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in = /dev and=20 other things. In kde
it seems that i get the mixer and = everything. but=20 no sound. i even tried
not being in kde and play a mp3 but = no luck at=20 all. I know it's not hardware
related the card is fine. Please I = would be very=20 thankful if someone could
help me out. I have another machine = at work and=20 it also has a SoundBlaster
PCI 128 and the sound will not work = at all. any=20 suggestions?
 
Michael J. Turner
Please email to:
mike@inethouston.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_02B2_01C0D1C5.C5CBBC80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 21: 1:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C36D37B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:01:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 1574499; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:01:22 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , "Michael J. Turner" , Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:01:22 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <02b501c0d1ef$aec35640$931576d8@inethouston.net> In-Reply-To: <02b501c0d1ef$aec35640$931576d8@inethouston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043023012200.02114@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 30 April 2001 22:34, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard ct5880 > chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does > not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 > pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > cat /dev/sndstat > cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured > > The one that works is 4.3-stable shortly after -release, the one that > fails is 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #3: Fri Apr 27 11:48:04 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael J. Turner > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 10:21 PM > Subject: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > > > Hi all, I have a small problem. I can't seem to get my sound to work. > I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I tired many various things as far as > adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in /dev and other things. In kde > it seems that i get the mixer and everything. but no sound. i even > tried not being in kde and play a mp3 but no luck at all. I know it's not > hardware related the card is fine. Please I would be very thankful if > someone could help me out. I have another machine at work and it also has > a SoundBlaster PCI 128 and the sound will not work at all. any > suggestions? > > Michael J. Turner > Please email to: > mike@inethouston.net Did either one of you run # sh /dev/MAKEDEV snd0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 21: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EA137B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 475B210F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:05:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <031901c0d1f3$ef67f6c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Dave Uhring" , "Michael J. Turner" , References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <02b501c0d1ef$aec35640$931576d8@inethouston.net> <01043023012200.02114@dave.uhring.com> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:05:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, and after I do, snd0 doesn't exist still. dsp however does, isn't dsp what pcm uses? I'm loading snd_es137x ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Uhring" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" ; Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > On Monday 30 April 2001 22:34, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard ct5880 > > chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does > > not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup > > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 > > pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > > > cat /dev/sndstat > > cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 21:17:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C9937B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:17:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f414Mev05819; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105010422.f414Mev05819@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: Valentin Nechayev , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:45:47 EDT." <200105010145.VAA22091@world.std.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:40 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >What does PNPBIOS option do? > > It controls whether the BIOS or the OS will configure PnP > devices. No, it doesn't. It determines whether FreeBSD will consult the system's PnP BIOS to locate motherboard devices. This can have side-effects, which is why it's an option and not the default (it is in 5.x). You are confusing this with the BIOS "PnP OS" option. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 21:30:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net (dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F0C37B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:30:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx08.cluster0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2173735; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:30:46 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , "Michael J. Turner" , Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:30:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <01043023012200.02114@dave.uhring.com> <031901c0d1f3$ef67f6c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> In-Reply-To: <031901c0d1f3$ef67f6c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01043023304700.01997@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday 30 April 2001 11:05 pm, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Yes, and after I do, snd0 doesn't exist still. dsp however does, isn't > dsp what pcm uses? I'm loading snd_es137x > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Uhring" > To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" > ; > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > > > On Monday 30 April 2001 22:34, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard > > > ct5880 chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the > > > other does not. On the system that does not work I get this upon > > > bootup > > > > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on > > > pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > > > > > cat /dev/sndstat > > > cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured # mixer 100:100 # cat /kernel > /dev/dsp Honestly, I simply put the line device pcm into my KERNCONF file and don't even know how to load kernel modules. My system even has an on-the-motherboard via-686a sound chip and it works perfectly - well, almost. Looking at your dmesg output again, it seems that you have to insert another module for the ac97 codec. Your best bet, build a kernel which supports sound. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 21:32:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3364937B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:32:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220D310F40F; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:32:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <036f01c0d1f7$b1df42a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Dave Uhring" , "Michael J. Turner" , References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <01043023012200.02114@dave.uhring.com> <031901c0d1f3$ef67f6c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> <01043023304700.01997@dave.uhring.com> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:32:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Same on the current machine I'm on, but the one right next to me with the same onboard chip doesn't work. So I know its not something I'm doing wrong because I've done it a few times and it works on this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Uhring" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" ; Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:30 PM Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > On Monday 30 April 2001 11:05 pm, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > Yes, and after I do, snd0 doesn't exist still. dsp however does, isn't > > dsp what pcm uses? I'm loading snd_es137x > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dave Uhring" > > To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" > > ; > > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:01 PM > > Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > > > > > On Monday 30 April 2001 22:34, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard > > > > ct5880 chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the > > > > other does not. On the system that does not work I get this upon > > > > bootup > > > > > > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on > > > > pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > > > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > > > > > > > cat /dev/sndstat > > > > cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured > > # mixer 100:100 > # cat /kernel > /dev/dsp > > Honestly, I simply put the line > > device pcm > > into my KERNCONF file and don't even know how to load kernel modules. My > system even has an on-the-motherboard via-686a sound chip and it works > perfectly - well, almost. > > Looking at your dmesg output again, it seems that you have to insert > another module for the ac97 codec. Your best bet, build a kernel which > supports sound. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 22:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp.wanadoo.nl [194.134.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156837B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p1301.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.170.26]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f415ULq28312; Tue, 1 May 2001 07:30:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:30:18 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: dmmiller@cvzoom.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-Id: <20010501073018.748a7f1d.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <3AED6781.8746018D@cvzoom.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.63cvs15 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001 07:44:08 +1200 "Juha Saarinen" wrote: JS> Not sure about this; if you e.g. vi a directory, it will warn you that it It is dangerous to vi a directory, but it is not dangerous to tail one. -- Optimal hardware acceleration for Windows PC (Mac). 9.81 m/s/s applied for (at least) 2s followed by impact with solid object. Optimal software upgrade FreeBSD (OS-X). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 22:37:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.nl (smtp.wanadoo.nl [194.134.193.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F163137B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steveo@eircom.net) Received: from ams-gw.sohara.org (p1301.vcu.wanadoo.nl [194.134.170.26]) by smtp.wanadoo.nl (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f415b0q28627; Tue, 1 May 2001 07:37:00 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:36:56 +0200 From: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" To: Andrew Hesford Cc: chris@shenton.org, christopher@schulte.org, jedovaty@yahoo.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Message-Id: <20010501073656.3e614899.steveo@eircom.net> In-Reply-To: <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.63cvs15 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-freebsdelf4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:08 -0500 Andrew Hesford wrote: AH> I'm glad I'm not the Intel marketer having to set product names... I'd AH> just call the future P5 an i1086. Taken the 1086 is/was an Altos Xenix box - based on the i286 :) -- Optimal hardware acceleration for Windows PC (Mac). 9.81 m/s/s applied for (at least) 2s followed by impact with solid object. Optimal software upgrade FreeBSD (OS-X). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 22:38: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web1003.mail.yahoo.com (web1003.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5D6137B423 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedovaty@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 27355 invoked by uid 60001); 1 May 2001 05:38:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20010501053802.27354.qmail@web1003.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.128.82] by web1003.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:38:02 PDT Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 22:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jano Lukac Subject: Re: tail To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010501073018.748a7f1d.steveo@eircom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > JS> Not sure about this; if you e.g. vi a directory, it will warn you that it > > It is dangerous to vi a directory, but it is not dangerous to tail > one. neither /usr/bin/vi nor /usr/local/bin/vim would let me save edited changes I made to a directory (I was playing, hehehe). If there's a way, I'd like to know, I want to see what happens >:) jano ps please don't cc me if you reply, I'm on the list __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Apr 30 23:41:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmod.ath.cx (CC2-861.charter-stl.com [24.217.115.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898F737B422 for ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 23:41:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh3@chmod.ath.cx) Received: by chmod.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2AEC5A936; Tue, 1 May 2001 01:41:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 01:41:00 -0500 From: Andrew Hesford To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: chris@shenton.org, christopher@schulte.org, jedovaty@yahoo.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Message-ID: <20010501014100.A12256@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> <20010501073656.3e614899.steveo@eircom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010501073656.3e614899.steveo@eircom.net>; from steveo@eircom.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:36:56AM +0200 X-Loop: Andrew Hesford Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:36:56AM +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:01:08 -0500 > Andrew Hesford wrote: > AH> I'm glad I'm not the Intel marketer having to set product names... I'd > AH> just call the future P5 an i1086. > > Taken the 1086 is/was an Altos Xenix box - based on the i286 :) You mean to tell me *that's* why I wasn't hired to market products at Intel? -- Andrew Hesford ajh3@chmod.ath.cx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 0:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F1137B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f417H6314003; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: dmmiller@cvzoom.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Preserving traditional Unix behavior [was RE: tail] In-Reply-To: References: <3AED6781.8746018D@cvzoom.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010501001706Z.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 00:17:06 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 25 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Juha Saarinen" Subject: RE: tail Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:44:08 +1200 > So the best thing to do is to keep the current behaviour for tail et al, but > make it accessible through a flag. Most of the time, that behaviour isn't > desirable, hence it should only be invoked if you really need it. I think this thread really has gone on long enough, but I'll take the liberty of expressing what I believe is the concensus view here in hopes that it lets us move on to other things: This is simply not a desirable change nor does it make good architectural sense since, as others have pointed out, there are plenty of other utilities which will produce the exact same behavior if given a directory. It would be prohibitive to add such a flag to all of them and it would not even solve the essential problem since you would still be able to cause the exact same failure mode by substituting a binary file. This utility's behavior will therefore not be changed in FreeBSD. The fact that you messed yourself up by misusing tail(1) also hardly constitutes an argument which overrides the concerns listed above and I think it's time we spent our energies more constructively by moving on to some area of genuine architectural weakness. Thanks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 0:18:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0482637B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 00:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06049; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:18:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37641) with ESMTP id <01K322S0U5Q8RX6X00@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:18:09 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f417I7x87104; Tue, 01 May 2001 17:18:08 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:18:07 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock In-reply-to: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net>; from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 08:29:31AM -0700 To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Mail-Followup-To: John Merryweather Cooper , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Message-id: <20010501171807.M59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-Apr-30 08:29:31 -0700, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: >While using my main workstation as a local FTP for my laptop over plip, >I noticed that FreeBSD was losing track of time at a prodigious rate. PLIP receives/transmits each IP packet inside a loop at splhigh(). If either system is slow, or the MTU is too high, the time taken to transfer each packet can exceed 1 tick - meaning that clock interrupt is lost. Other PIO peripherals (ethernet or disk) will aggravate the problem. I did have the problem with PLIP between my 386 laptop and 486 desktop until I reduced the MTU to 512. Have you considered using a PPP link running at 115.2kbps instead? You will find it a lot more CPU friendly. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 1:32:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clueless.redbus.aaisp.net (clueless.redbus.aaisp.net [213.161.73.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18D6837B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 01:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from zebedee.innovision-group.com (HELO:garfield.innovisiongroup.com) by clueless.redbus.aaisp.net for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 01 May 2001 09:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01c0d219$297ac160$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> From: "Jonathan Belson" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> <022101c0d1cf$2a024080$931576d8@inethouston.net> Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:31:40 +0100 Organization: Jon's Place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiya > > Now what about the P4? Is that still the 686 core? If so, the situation > > is even worse now. So while Pentium 5 isn't inherently stupid (it's just > > a fifth-generation pentium), it is bad for Intel because it's really the > > sixth generation of Pentium chip, and it might be called a 686, 786, or > > even 886. > > > > Boy, now I'm really confused. What ever happened to simple numbers? > > Intel would rather copyright something than make it simple. Its easy to > market something called the pentium and its harder to compare against a > competitor. The amusing thing is that he logical successor to the 'Pentium' would be called the 'Sexium'. -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 1:39:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.neomedia.it (aragorn.neomedia.it [195.103.207.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FED37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 01:39:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bartequi@neomedia.it) Received: (from httpd@localhost) by aragorn.neomedia.it (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f418d5n32613; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:39:05 +0200 (CEST) To: fbsdsta Message-ID: <988706344.3aee7628d7c3d@webmail.neomedia.it> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:39:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Salvo Bartolotta Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4-cvs X-WebMail-Company: Neomedia s.a.s. X-Originating-IP: 62.98.154.233 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >This is the Areas that they Occured at in the buildworld > (the last few lines of the .log) > --- > cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE= > \"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -DPREFIX=\"/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr\" > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/config > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/cp -I. > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus > /../../../../contrib/gcc/cp/xref.c > cc -O -pipe -DFREEBSD_NATIVE -DIN_GCC -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -DDEFAULT_TARGET_VERSION=\"2.95.2\" -DDEFAULT_TARGET_MACHINE= > \"i386-unknown-freebsd\" -DPREFIX=\"/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr\" > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_tools > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/config > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../../../../contrib/gcc/cp -I. > -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -static -o cc1plus parse.o > call.o class.o cvt.o decl.o decl2.o errfn.o error.o except.o expr.o > friend.o init.o lex.o method.o pt.o ptree.o repo.o rtti.o search.o > semantics.o sig.o spew.o tree.o typeck.o typeck2.o xref.o > /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus/../cc_int/libcc_int.a > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1plus. > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc. > --- FWIW, I successfully completed a 4-S buildworld at about 3am (GMT) this very morning, sources as of 30 April 2001, ~ 11:30 GMT (Danish mirror). -- Salvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 2:21:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clueless.redbus.aaisp.net (clueless.redbus.aaisp.net [213.161.73.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE8E337B619 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 02:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from zebedee.innovision-group.com (HELO:garfield.innovisiongroup.com) by clueless.redbus.aaisp.net for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 01 May 2001 10:01:06 +0100 Message-ID: <008501c0d21d$342b2060$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> From: "Jonathan Belson" To: "Michael J. Turner" , References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:00:41 +0100 Organization: Jon's Place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiya >Hi all, I have a small problem. I can't seem to get my sound to work. >I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I tired many various things as far as >adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in /dev and other things. In kde >it seems that i get the mixer and everything. but no sound. i even tried >not being in kde and play a mp3 but no luck at all. I know it's not hardware >related the card is fine. Please I would be very thankful if someone could >help me out. I have another machine at work and it also has a SoundBlaster >PCI 128 and the sound will not work at all. any suggestions? I don't know if it's related, but Creative have a habit of changing their soundchips without telling anyone. Is it possible you've got a variation which isn't supported? -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 3:45:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974F637B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 03:45:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2661325; Tue, 01 May 2001 04:45:42 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: "Jonathan Belson" , "Michael J. Turner" , Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 05:20:05 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <008501c0d21d$342b2060$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> In-Reply-To: <008501c0d21d$342b2060$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050105200501.01997@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 01 May 2001 04:00 am, Jonathan Belson wrote: > Hiya > > >Hi all, I have a small problem. I can't seem to get my sound to work. > >I have a SoundBlaster PCI 128. I tired many various things as far as > >adding pcm to my kernel and snd0 in /dev and other things. In kde > >it seems that i get the mixer and everything. but no sound. i even tried > >not being in kde and play a mp3 but no luck at all. I know it's not > > hardware > > >related the card is fine. Please I would be very thankful if someone > > could help me out. I have another machine at work and it also has a > > SoundBlaster PCI 128 and the sound will not work at all. any > > suggestions? > > I don't know if it's related, but Creative have a habit of changing their > soundchips without telling anyone. Is it possible you've got a variation > which isn't supported? > > > -- > C-YA > Jon > > > The dmesg excerpt showed that the card was the original PCI-128, i.e. Ensoniq 1371. But you are correct about Creative. I've been trying to find one on the net and haven't bought one yet because of that problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 4:41:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D99C37B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 04:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id skabaaaa for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:41:24 +1000 Message-ID: <3AEEA219.581CE73B@quake.com.au> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:46:33 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roelof Osinga Cc: Alfred Perlstein , d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install References: <20892.988622448@www36.gmx.net> <20010430023201.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> <3AEDE89D.FC478F79@eboa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roelof Osinga wrote: > > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > >... > > > Is there a special reason, why this option was removed? > > > > Too many people shooting themselves in the feet. It also > > stuck those people with systems where certain boot tricks > > were no longer possible. > > Yeah, well, isn't that what they're there for? Target practice? > > What I'm wondering is what the impact of this decision might > be on the long term for those of us running dangerously > dedicated (cough, cough)? > > Having "../sysinstall/disks.c" undocumented is one thing, having > it not there - presumably because this chicked is still at 4.2-S > - something different alltogether. > > Had a quick looksee, looks like that's the culprit allright. > > Somehow I find the thought of mayhap having to reformat my hard > disks to install the latest and greatest - say 6.0-STABLE - quite > unsettling . I dont think that will happen... There is no reason to drop support of DD disks... There was good reason however to make it harder for the uninformed to use, since it could in a lot of situations cause terrible headaches for new users... I guess the main reason is to stop new users getting scared off because they couldnt get it to work (apparently the warning wasnt enough to keep them away)... The undocumented "F" option in fdisk is fine, and I dont see why it would be removed in the future... An improved DD disk implementation would be good though :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 5: 2: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7CA37B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A383E10F40F; Tue, 1 May 2001 07:02:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <03d001c0d236$894d8600$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Dave Uhring" , "Jonathan Belson" , "Michael J. Turner" , References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <008501c0d21d$342b2060$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> <01050105200501.01997@dave.uhring.com> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:02:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The dmesg excerpt showed that the card was the original PCI-128, i.e. > Ensoniq 1371. But you are correct about Creative. I've been trying to > find one on the net and haven't bought one yet because of that problem. Actually the original sb128 has a 1370, I still have one, but it started going bad on me. They have a CT5800 chip on them. These onboard 128's have a CT5880 chip, which does work on this workstation, but not the one next to me. Wierd. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 5: 8:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sgi04-e.std.COM (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63D537B423; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:08:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kwc@world.std.com) Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by sgi04-e.std.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA6420334; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kwc@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29870; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:08:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200105011208.IAA29870@world.std.com> To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From msmith@mass.dis.org Tue May 1 00:17:42 2001 >To: Kenneth W Cochran >cc: Valentin Nechayev , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Intel VE Desktop 10/100 NIC NOT SUPPORTED? >Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:22:40 -0700 >From: Mike Smith > >> >What does PNPBIOS option do? >> >> It controls whether the BIOS or the OS will configure PnP devices. > >No, it doesn't. It determines whether FreeBSD will consult the system's >PnP BIOS to locate motherboard devices. This can have side-effects, >which is why it's an option and not the default (it is in 5.x). > >You are confusing this with the BIOS "PnP OS" option. Oooops! You're exactly right... I just remembered that PNPBIOS is a *kernel config* option... Hmmm, maybe it would be a Good Idea to document these "interactions" sometime, perhaps in /usr/src/release/texts//INSTALL.TXT (& relevant READMEs)? Example question: How do I determine how to set my "PnP OS" BIOS option? -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 5:30: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F1E37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 300) id C647A9B10; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:29:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE26B5D1A; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:29:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 13:29:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-Sender: arg@server.arg.sj.co.uk To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 In-Reply-To: <02b501c0d1ef$aec35640$931576d8@inethouston.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard ct5880 chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 > pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 Check the jumpers on your motherboard. Many motherboards with on-board sound also have an 'AMR' slot into which a card can theoretically be inserted carrying a better/different codec. Such motherboards typically have a row of jumpers that can connect the sound chip (or sound function in the southbridge) to either the on-board codec or the AMR slot. The error you quoted above is exactly what you get if the jumpers are set for the AMR slot rather than the on-board codec but the AMR slot is empty. Since you have two machines and one of them works, you can just compare the jumpers between them; you don't even have to search for the motherboard manual :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 5:35:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E9B37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F27710F40F; Tue, 1 May 2001 07:35:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <03ed01c0d23b$323659a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Andrew Gordon" Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , References: Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 07:35:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ah yes, I remember now, I dont' have an AMR slot, but the jumper isn't defaulted to on for the card. Thanks very much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Gordon" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: "Michael J. Turner" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard ct5880 chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup > > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci0 > > pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > Check the jumpers on your motherboard. > > Many motherboards with on-board sound also have an 'AMR' slot into which > a card can theoretically be inserted carrying a better/different > codec. Such motherboards typically have a row of jumpers that can connect > the sound chip (or sound function in the southbridge) to either the > on-board codec or the AMR slot. > > The error you quoted above is exactly what you get if the jumpers are set > for the AMR slot rather than the on-board codec but the AMR slot is empty. > > Since you have two machines and one of them works, you can just compare > the jumpers between them; you don't even have to search for the > motherboard manual :-) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 5:50: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cisco.com (sword.cisco.com [161.44.208.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719AB37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 05:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjt@cisco.com) Received: from sjt-u10.cisco.com (sjt-u10.cisco.com [10.85.30.63]) by cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01595; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (sjt@localhost) by sjt-u10.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/CISCO.WS.1.2) id IAA10691; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:56 -0400 From: Steve Tremblett To: Jonathan Belson Cc: "David W. Chapman Jr." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? Message-ID: <20010501084956.B10642@sjt-u10.cisco.com> References: <20010430115213P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20010430142817.00afcfb8@pop.schulte.org> <87lmoicc9n.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> <20010430180108.A10937@cec.wustl.edu> <022101c0d1cf$2a024080$931576d8@inethouston.net> <004b01c0d219$297ac160$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <004b01c0d219$297ac160$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com>; from jon@witchspace.com on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 09:31:40AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG +---- Jonathan Belson wrote: | | The amusing thing is that he logical successor to the 'Pentium' would | be called the 'Sexium'. | +---end quoted text--- What about if they reach version 80 - 8086? I'm reminded of a joke I heard some years ago. As everyone knows, there has been some debate about the pronunciation of GIF (g-as-in-George, g-as-in-Gary). There is a less known, but no less heated debate about SCSI - the originators of SCSI intended the name of their technology to be pronounced "sexy" :) -- Steve Tremblett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 6:49:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from syncopation-03.iinet.net.au (syncopation-03.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A61E737B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 06:49:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nigelt@iinet.net.au) Received: (qmail 27721 invoked by uid 666); 1 May 2001 14:00:14 -0000 Received: from i209-183.nv.iinet.net.au (HELO a) (203.59.209.183) by 0 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 14:00:14 -0000 From: "Nigel Taylor" To: "freebsd-stable" Subject: make buildworld problem Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 21:58:02 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello fellow FreeBSD users I have this problem upgrading from 4.2-RELEASE to 4.3-STABLE and just wondering if anyone could point out to me, whats wrong and point me in the right direction on fixing this problem so i can get 4.3-STABLE. Warning: /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib/Config.pm may be out of date with /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/config.sh cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl && make lib/Config.pm `lib/Config.pm' is up to date. Warning: /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/config.h out of date with /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/config.sh *** Error code 1 (ignored) Makefile out-of-date with respect to Makefile.PL /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib/Config.pm /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/config.h Cleaning current config before rebuilding Makefile... make -f Makefile.old clean > /dev/null 2>&1 || /bin/sh -c true /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../miniperl/miniperl "-I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib" "-I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib" Makefile.PL "INSTALLDIRS=perl" "PERL_SRC=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl" "INSTALLMAN3DIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/perl/man3" "PERL=/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../miniperl/miniperl" "FULLPERL=perl" "DEFINE=-I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include" "DEFINE=-DPERL_CORE" "LINKTYPE=static" "LIBS=-lperl -lm" Writing Makefile for DynaLoader ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== ==> Please rerun the make command. <== false *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext/DynaLoader. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. titan# exot [K [Kit exit Script done on Fri Jan 2 13:33:10 1998 If anyone can help i would be very grateful Thank you Nigel Taylor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 6:51:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F8F37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 06:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 010B51360C; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:51:16 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Nigel Taylor Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make buildworld problem Message-ID: <20010501095116.A76983@peitho.fxp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Faulhaber , Nigel Taylor , freebsd-stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from nigelt@iinet.net.au on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 09:58:02PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 09:58:02PM +0800, Nigel Taylor wrote: > Hello fellow FreeBSD users >=20 > I have this problem upgrading from 4.2-RELEASE to 4.3-STABLE and just > wondering if anyone could point out to me, whats wrong and point me in the > right direction on fixing this problem so i can get 4.3-STABLE. >=20 > Writing Makefile for DynaLoader > =3D=3D> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <=3D=3D > =3D=3D> Please rerun the make command. <=3D=3D > false > *** Error code 1 >=20 Your system clock is skewed (a few days/months/years off)... --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjruv1QACgkQObaG4P6BelAjHwCfbpEMIoAF+7eiPzNaFxbSwGGR wKkAnR3TPERbwhQjiphZzOfyZYWijbt/ =hGcx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 6:52:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shemp.palomine.net (shemp.palomine.net [205.198.88.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C59C37B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 06:52:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjohnson@palomine.net) Received: (qmail 11145 invoked by uid 1000); 1 May 2001 13:52:45 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:52:45 -0400 From: Chris Johnson To: Nigel Taylor Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: make buildworld problem Message-ID: <20010501095245.A11107@palomine.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from nigelt@iinet.net.au on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 09:58:02PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 09:58:02PM +0800, Nigel Taylor wrote: > ==> Your Makefile has been rebuilt. <== > ==> Please rerun the make command. <== > false > *** Error code 1 [snip] > Script done on Fri Jan 2 13:33:10 1998 Fix your clock. It's more than three years off. That should solve your problem. Chris --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE67r+ryeUEMvtGLWERAkOyAKDfINS8AdL2Q2nxlL43/r/3LGI6rwCgrRZ1 HLP9kgGEubDFC7aP6u3tPKA= =ina0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --x+6KMIRAuhnl3hBn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 7: 6:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C5F37B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 07:06:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14uan3-0005rG-00; Tue, 01 May 2001 15:06:09 +0100 To: msmith@freebsd.org, roelof@eboa.com Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install Cc: bright@wintelcom.net, d_f0rce@gmx.de, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200104302259.f3UMxRv02904@mass.dis.org> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:06:09 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You run more risk of us deciding to desupport your keyboard because the > particular shade of beige it's cast in is offensive. Ah, so *that* why Acer's stopped working from 4.0 onwards is it ? :-) -pete. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 8:30:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8D737B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:30:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11864; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:30:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:30:38 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> <20010501171807.M59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2001-Apr-30 08:29:31 -0700, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > >While using my main workstation as a local FTP for my laptop over plip, > >I noticed that FreeBSD was losing track of time at a prodigious rate. > > PLIP receives/transmits each IP packet inside a loop at splhigh(). > If either system is slow, or the MTU is too high, the time taken to > transfer each packet can exceed 1 tick - meaning that clock interrupt > is lost. Other PIO peripherals (ethernet or disk) will aggravate the > problem. I suspect transfering between a AMD Duron 700 and an Intel 386SX/20 qualifies . . . :) Couldn't the plip interface arbitrate this though by driving it's "bus" cycle at the pace of the slowest system? I'm sure, in practice, that the rarest use of plip is between two machines of nearly equal CPU speed. Probably, my use is fairly typical. If my damn laptop had a network port, I'd use that--but the Token Ring 16/4 Adapter seems as rare a gold for my ancient AST Premium Exec 386SX/20 . . . :) Probably wouldn't work with FreeBSD anyway . . . bummer. > I did have the problem with PLIP between my 386 laptop and 486 desktop > until I reduced the MTU to 512. Anything "magical" about 512 (or is lower better here). If lower is better, how low can I go (I guess I'll find out). > Have you considered using a PPP link running at 115.2kbps instead? > You will find it a lot more CPU friendly. Yes. Not looking forward to buying yet another single-purpose cable. The null modem I have doesn't seem to do the trick anymore. > Peter > jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 8:47:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB24F37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gehicks@cisco.com) Received: from mira1.cisco.com (mira1.cisco.com [171.71.208.193]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f41FmMK11053 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (ptlm1-dhcp-150.cisco.com [171.71.210.150]) by mira1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABF00412; Tue, 1 May 2001 08:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AEEDA5F.78D46211@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 08:46:39 -0700 From: W Gerald Hicks Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? References: <00c801c0d1a5$f76fc440$3028680a@tgt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (makes note to request stable-chat@freebsd.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 9:32:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from titan.titan-project.org (titan.titan-project.org [216.127.78.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3514837B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Received: from localhost (cshumway@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.titan-project.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f41GWiR57636; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Shumway To: Chris Byrnes Cc: Subject: Re: sysinstall error In-Reply-To: <200104302318.f3UNIsK45562@awww.jeah.net> Message-ID: <20010501093056.B57596-100000@titan.titan-project.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > awww# pwd > /usr/src/release/sysinstall > awww# make all depend install > Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/release/sysinstall > make: don't know how to make sysinstall.1. Stop > awww# Your world is out of date. There has been some changes to /usr/share/mk/* that will prevent manual pages from building if your source tree is more up to date than your world. - --- Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOu7lLBy/2UU0h5d1AQGA8wP/Yit/JLgfgCtkOSWw5K5ESnrAMe17kejo Zu1PVJAqr6GFPINfKormSeaH21I4EJJ51x9wjUh2oyGDm5fIVyDpocxndPUbr1bg HHCnRkzjq8HOvsvnyQNyMxJFGxgktHGuMTK0D4q+pq3G4CPV3fM9bkJ9EneniTY/ DLKWXnTRb9s= =4R68 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 9:37:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.102.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1589C37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:37:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f41GbJm53278; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mph) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:37:19 -0700 From: Matthew Hunt To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Juha Saarinen , dmmiller@cvzoom.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail Message-ID: <20010501093719.A52533@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <3AED6781.8746018D@cvzoom.net> <20010501073018.748a7f1d.steveo@eircom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010501073018.748a7f1d.steveo@eircom.net>; from steveo@eircom.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:30:18AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:30:18AM +0200, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > JS> Not sure about this; if you e.g. vi a directory, it will warn you that it > > It is dangerous to vi a directory, but it is not dangerous to tail > one. More to the point, opening a directory for writing is an error. Since you normally use an editor to modify files, instead of just viewing them, it makes sense that vi warns you that you won't be able to write back your changes. It would not make sense for tail to warn you, because it only reads files. wopr:~$ perl -e 'open SPORK, ">tmp/" or die "$!"' Is a directory at -e line 1. wopr:~$ perl -e 'open SPORK, "tmp/" or die "$!"' wopr:~$ (See also "man 2 open".) -- Matthew Hunt * Clearly there are more things in the http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * heavens than anyone anticipated. -enp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 9:55: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F05337B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f41Gsco19273; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:54:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:54:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Christopher Shumway Cc: Subject: Re: sysinstall error In-Reply-To: <20010501093056.B57596-100000@titan.titan-project.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks. I re-built /usr/src/share/mk/* and all went well. Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> On Tue, 1 May 2001, Christopher Shumway wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > > awww# pwd > > /usr/src/release/sysinstall > > awww# make all depend install > > Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/release/sysinstall > > make: don't know how to make sysinstall.1. Stop > > awww# > > Your world is out of date. There has been some changes to /usr/share/mk/* that > will prevent manual pages from building if your source tree is more up to date > than your world. > > - --- > Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3ia > Charset: noconv > > iQCVAwUBOu7lLBy/2UU0h5d1AQGA8wP/Yit/JLgfgCtkOSWw5K5ESnrAMe17kejo > Zu1PVJAqr6GFPINfKormSeaH21I4EJJ51x9wjUh2oyGDm5fIVyDpocxndPUbr1bg > HHCnRkzjq8HOvsvnyQNyMxJFGxgktHGuMTK0D4q+pq3G4CPV3fM9bkJ9EneniTY/ > DLKWXnTRb9s= > =4R68 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 10:11: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web11203.mail.yahoo.com (web11203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7CA237B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e_chelon@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010501171056.35010.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [205.252.144.26] by web11203.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 01 May 2001 10:10:56 PDT Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:10:56 -0700 (PDT) From: echelon Subject: 4.3 Release: PPP problem To: FreeBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I am writing to report that there are some problems with the ppp on 4.3 release. My box couldn't complete the login procedure with my DSL provider. There is no such ppp problem before I cvsup to 4.3 release from 4.3 beta. Currently, I have to cvsup back to 4.3 beta to resolve this problem (*default date = 2001.03.20.00.00.00.00. The same problem occurs with 4.3 RC (date=2001.04.01.00.00.00.00). Hence, I suspect this ppp (pppoe + netgraph) problem was introduced when 4.3 beta was patched to 4.3 RC. I use this freebsd box as internet gateway, and hence ppp, ppp nat, netgraph, sshd & ipfilter are used. NIC is 3Com 3C905B. This ppp problem is resolved after I rebuilt from the 4.3 beta source tree. The rc.conf, kernel conf and ppp log are attached at the end. FYI -echelon rc.conf: (abstract only) gateway_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" ipfilter_enable="YES" ppp_enable="YES" ppp_mode="auto" ppp_nat="YES" kernel conf: (abstract only) options NETGRAPH options NETGRAPH_ETHER options NETGRAPH_PPPOE options NETGRAPH_SOCKET Here is the ppp.log (abstract only) May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: bundle: Establish May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Connected! May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: carrier -> hangup May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: : 119162 packets in, 90998 packets out May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Tue May 1 05:30:06 2001 May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: bundle: Dead May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Phase: bundle: Establish May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Connected! May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 May 1 05:30:11 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier May 1 05:30:16 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! May 1 05:30:16 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: carrier -> hangup May 1 05:30:16 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5 secs: 0 octets in, 0 octets out May 1 05:30:16 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: : 119162 packets in, 90998 packets out May 1 05:30:16 host ppp[111]: Phase: total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0 bytes/sec on Tue May 1 05:30:16 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 10:30:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BDE37B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f41HSbv35082 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Strange BTX halted error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have an N440BX motherboard that, when using console redirection (so the BIOS messages and such come over the serial port), displays the following: BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 Console: internal video/keyboard BIOS drive A: is disk0 BIOS drive C: is disk1 BIOS 635kB/523200kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.8 (root@web-b1.pa.bmarts.com, Wed Oct 4 15:01:32 PDT 2000) Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf int=0000000d err=00000000 efl=00010216 eip=00005a6c eax=ff08428b ebx=0000760c ecx=ffffffff edx=00030160 esi=00037788 edi=00093468 ebp=00093258 esp=00093258 cs=002b ds=0033 es=0033 fs=0033 gs=0033 ss=0033 cs:eip=89 11 83 40 08 04 c9 c3-55 89 e5 8b 45 08 8b 48 ss:esp=98 32 09 00 d8 91 00 00-8b 42 08 ff 60 01 03 00 BTX halted I was wondering if anyone else has seen this. The problem seems somewhat intermittent. It doesn't *always* happen but it often does. If I hit the reset switch, it seems to boot reliably from there. This system (actually systems. It's more than one so I know it's not hardware) booted perfectly until I enabled the console redirection. Nothing on the box has changed other than that. Any ideas? I'm stumped. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 10:46:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from calvino.alaska.net (calvino.alaska.net [209.112.129.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F6737B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flash@alaska.net) Received: from localhost (flash@localhost) by calvino.alaska.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22289; Tue, 1 May 2001 09:46:30 -0800 (AKDT) X-Authentication-Warning: calvino.alaska.net: flash owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 09:46:29 -0800 (AKDT) From: To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had the exact same problem when I had 'SCSI Bios' enabled on my Adaptec 2940. Turned it off and that stopped. Not sure what the problem is, but I know that is the solution for me :) Marc On Tue, 1 May 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > I have an N440BX motherboard that, when using console redirection (so the > BIOS messages and such come over the serial port), displays the following: > > BTX loader 1.00 BTX version is 1.01 > Console: internal video/keyboard > BIOS drive A: is disk0 > BIOS drive C: is disk1 > BIOS 635kB/523200kB available memory > > FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.8 > (root@web-b1.pa.bmarts.com, Wed Oct 4 15:01:32 PDT 2000) > Loading /boot/defaults/loader.conf > > int=0000000d err=00000000 efl=00010216 eip=00005a6c > eax=ff08428b ebx=0000760c ecx=ffffffff edx=00030160 > esi=00037788 edi=00093468 ebp=00093258 esp=00093258 > cs=002b ds=0033 es=0033 fs=0033 gs=0033 ss=0033 > cs:eip=89 11 83 40 08 04 c9 c3-55 89 e5 8b 45 08 8b 48 > ss:esp=98 32 09 00 d8 91 00 00-8b 42 08 ff 60 01 03 00 > BTX halted > > I was wondering if anyone else has seen this. The problem seems somewhat > intermittent. It doesn't *always* happen but it often does. If I hit the > reset switch, it seems to boot reliably from there. > > This system (actually systems. It's more than one so I know it's not > hardware) booted perfectly until I enabled the console redirection. > Nothing on the box has changed other than that. > > Any ideas? I'm stumped. > > -gordon > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 10:50: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED0137B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:49:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f41HmPT38548; Tue, 1 May 2001 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, that's not going to work, as I don't have an Adaptec and I need the onboard SCSI to boot =/ Thanks for the help though. If someone can decipher what all the register's mean, I can provide access to the boot loader binary and source (4.1.1-RELEASE I believe). -gordon On Tue, 1 May 2001 flash@alaska.net wrote: > I had the exact same problem when I had 'SCSI Bios' enabled on my > Adaptec 2940. > > Turned it off and that stopped. Not sure what the problem is, but I > know that is the solution for me :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 11: 6:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED8737B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f41I6UN69612; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: , Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Well, that's not going to work, as I don't have an Adaptec and I need the :onboard SCSI to boot =/ Thanks for the help though. If someone can :decipher what all the register's mean, I can provide access to the boot :loader binary and source (4.1.1-RELEASE I believe). : :-gordon : :On Tue, 1 May 2001 flash@alaska.net wrote: : :> I had the exact same problem when I had 'SCSI Bios' enabled on my :> Adaptec 2940. :> :> Turned it off and that stopped. Not sure what the problem is, but I :> know that is the solution for me :) I was getting BTX halted failures due to BIOS confusion related to dangerously dedicated partitions. It's what prompted me to fix the disklabel code to allow boot blocks to be installed on slices. Unfortunately, the only way I could fix my particular problem was to get rid of my dangerously dedicated partition which meant blowing away the hard drive and repartitioning and relabeling it. The very last example, just before the SEE ALSO section for the 'disklabel' manual page shows how to do this. But be warned: it blows away the disk. http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=disklabel&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+4.3-RELEASE&format=html I do not know if my problem is the same as yours, so this could be all for nothing. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 11:10:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A6637B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f41IADA69719; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105011810.f41IADA69719@earth.backplane.com> To: Gordon Tetlow , , Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error References: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : The very last example, just before the SEE ALSO section for the : 'disklabel' manual page shows how to do this. But be warned: it blows : away the disk. : : http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=disklabel&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+4.3-RELEASE&format=html : opps, in the above manual page it is the example-before-last. In the 4.x manual page it is the last example. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 11:10:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5319737B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f41I98L41655; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:09:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Matt Dillon Cc: , Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error In-Reply-To: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No, we don't use dangerously dedicated since the word "dangerous" was in it. Figured it might not be a good thing =) Thanks though. -gordon On Tue, 1 May 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > I was getting BTX halted failures due to BIOS confusion related to > dangerously dedicated partitions. It's what prompted me to fix the > disklabel code to allow boot blocks to be installed on slices. > > Unfortunately, the only way I could fix my particular problem was > to get rid of my dangerously dedicated partition which meant blowing > away the hard drive and repartitioning and relabeling it. > > The very last example, just before the SEE ALSO section for the > 'disklabel' manual page shows how to do this. But be warned: it blows > away the disk. > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=disklabel&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+4.3-RELEASE&format=html > > I do not know if my problem is the same as yours, so this could be all > for nothing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 11:17:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snafu.adept.org (adsl-63-201-63-44.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.63.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056A137B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@adept.org) Received: by snafu.adept.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76EAC9EE0B; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snafu.adept.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C299B00A; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Hoskins To: Dave Uhring Cc: "David W. Chapman Jr." , "Michael J. Turner" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 In-Reply-To: <01043023304700.01997@dave.uhring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Dave Uhring wrote: > Honestly, I simply put the line > > device pcm > > into my KERNCONF file and don't even know how to load kernel modules. My > system even has an on-the-motherboard via-686a sound chip and it works > perfectly - well, almost. I think something that's /possibly/ being overlooked here is that some, myself included, who had perfectly-working sound before... now do not. I've got the proper lines in my kernel config, I've remade all my devices, yet the same config that worked in the previous STABLE now does not. It seems obvious something changed, just not sure what. Later, -Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 11:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (pogo.caustic.org [208.44.193.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F148937B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan.beisser@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.0/ignatz) with ESMTP id f41IU2R05776 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pogo.caustic.org: jan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "F. Johan Beisser" X-Sender: jan@pogo.caustic.org To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ACPI support, FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, and other wonkyness. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1567048780-988741802=:12910" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1567048780-988741802=:12910 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am having some minor problems with my Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, and FreeBSD 4.3. i've attached the output from "boot -v" of the current kernel, which is essentially the GENERIC kernel with USB devices commented out (USB was sharing IRQ 11 with many other PCI devices). The partial issue, seems to be a lack of ACPI support in freebsd, and perhaps more than a few things related to the Toshiba BIOS. thanks for your help, -- johan +------/ f. johan beisser /-----------------------------------+ Web: http://caustic.org/~jan email: johan.beisser@caustic.org "knowledge is power, power corrupts. study hard, be evil" --0-1567048780-988741802=:12910 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; name="laptop_bootinfo.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 Content-ID: Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="laptop_bootinfo.txt" Q29weXJpZ2h0IChjKSAxOTkyLTIwMDEgVGhlIEZyZWVCU0QgUHJvamVjdC4N CkNvcHlyaWdodCAoYykgMTk3OSwgMTk4MCwgMTk4MywgMTk4NiwgMTk4OCwg MTk4OSwgMTk5MSwgMTk5MiwgMTk5MywgMTk5NA0KCVRoZSBSZWdlbnRzIG9m IHRoZSBVbml2ZXJzaXR5IG9mIENhbGlmb3JuaWEuIEFsbCByaWdodHMgcmVz ZXJ2ZWQuDQpGcmVlQlNEIDQuMy1SRUxFQVNFICMwOiBGcmkgQXByIDI3IDE4 OjIwOjE1IFBEVCAyMDAxDQogICAgcm9vdEBnYXJhbmRvdS5udHRtY2wuY29t 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freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: reading cd's in raw mode Message-ID: <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I used to be able to image a cd for disk storage using dd if=/dev/acd0c of=file.iso, now it doesnt work, is there a new method for reading a raw device now? Its not the cd, it worked like a charm on a linux box (Tho I dont want to have to use linux every time I want a raw image) -- ---------------------------------------------------- Adriel Ickler Network Administrator - adriel@jlms.com Self Trading Securities - Voice: 512-263-2769 www.selftrading.com - Fax: 512-263-2141 ---------------------------------------------------- Corrupt, stupid grasping functionaries will make at least as big a muddle of socialism as stupid, selfish and acquisitive employers can make of capitalism. -- Walter Lippmann To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 12: 3: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA71C37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03C10F40F; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <044401c0d271$5b91e7c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Mike Hoskins" , "Dave Uhring" Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , References: Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My problem is most likely due to the jumper problem, so I'm not having this problem, just to clarify. > I think something that's /possibly/ being overlooked here is that some, > myself included, who had perfectly-working sound before... now do not. > > I've got the proper lines in my kernel config, I've remade all my devices, > yet the same config that worked in the previous STABLE now does not. > > It seems obvious something changed, just not sure what. > > Later, > -Mike > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 12:30:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.umd.edu (darkstar.umd.edu [128.8.215.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139637B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:30:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.umd.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f41JU7G11450 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:30:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <3AEF0EBF.53B806E@glue.umd.edu> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:30:07 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: gcc and/or Mesa problem on 4.3-S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Accidentally sent this to ports the first time... Since cvsupp'ing to -stable a few days ago I can't get programs to compile with GLUT or GLU (Mesa-3.4.1, XFree86-4.0.3). This is what I get: /usr/lib/libgcc.a(_eh.o): In function `__empty': _eh.o(.text+0xe8): undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' /usr/lib/libgcc.a(_eh.o): In function `__get_eh_info': _eh.o(.text+0x169): undefined reference to `pthread_key_create' _eh.o(.text+0x26a): undefined reference to `pthread_getspecific' _eh.o(.text+0x289): undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' *** Error code 1 Any ideas? -Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 12:50:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B1837B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8477010F40F; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:50:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <049301c0d277$fb9a2ba0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , "Mike Hoskins" , "Dave Uhring" Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , References: <044401c0d271$5b91e7c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:50:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nevermind, the sound works perfectly in windows(I'm sure that doesn't mean much), but as far as I can tell all the jumpers are the same too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Mike Hoskins" ; "Dave Uhring" Cc: "Michael J. Turner" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > My problem is most likely due to the jumper problem, so I'm not having this > problem, just to clarify. > > > I think something that's /possibly/ being overlooked here is that some, > > myself included, who had perfectly-working sound before... now do not. > > > > I've got the proper lines in my kernel config, I've remade all my devices, > > yet the same config that worked in the previous STABLE now does not. > > > > It seems obvious something changed, just not sure what. > > > > Later, > > -Mike > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 13:35:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C7F37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsc@merit.edu) Received: from merit.edu (backyard.merit.edu [198.108.62.200]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481AE5E006; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:35:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: rsc@merit.edu Subject: Re: Kernel panic at 0x0 w/ 4.3-STABLE (cvsup'd 4/22/2001) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:02:15 EDT." <20010425150215.6794A5DE42@segue.merit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 16:35:45 -0400 From: "Richard S. Conto" Message-Id: <20010501203546.481AE5E006@segue.merit.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As you would have it, I made a (ahem) minor (ahem) change to my kernel config file. Backing out the change let arlad's AFS work again. If I have time, I'll figure out which feature revealed the problem. I would still like some suggestions for how to pursue a kernel panic like this one, where the backtrace starts with a jump by the kernel to 0x0. > originally from: "Richard S. Conto" > date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:02:15 -0400 > -------- >I'd like some help coping with a kernel panic that has >been happening to me whenever I start "arla" since I cvsup'd >to 4.3-RC (in several flavors) and now 4.3-STABLE. > >All of the kernel panics I've seen had the instruction pointer >at 0x8:0x0 > >A few days ago, I submitted a "kernel panic" via the web interface >to the "ports" category, but now I realize I didn't give enough information >or submit in the right place (I think.) That submission is ports/26797. > >Since then, I've tried to get a back-trace using gdb -k per. the FAQ >(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/hackers.html#KERNEL-PANIC-TROUBLESHOOTING) >However, the backtrace doesn't go very far. For all of the back-traces I've >viewed, they only go back to 0x0 and no further. > >I've had "option INVARIANT_SUPPORT" turned on for a while, and I even rebuilt >the kernel with "option INVARIANTS", but that hasn't helped improve the backtrace. > >Could someone offer some suggestion about how I can gather more >information here? The box is a Dell Inspirion 3000 (cira 1977 laptop) with 32M ram. >"arla" worked fine for me with 4.2-STABLE > >--------------------------------- >module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (xfs_syscall, c014ee84, 0xc0cff920) error 17 >xfs: cdev: 128, syscall: 210 >... > >IdlePTD 4259840 >initial pcb at 34b9e0 >panicstr: page fault >panic messages: >--- >Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode >fault virtual address = 0x0 >fault code = supervisor read, page not present >instruction pointer = 0x8:0x0 >stack pointer = 0x10:0xc416af30 >frame pointer = 0x10:0xc416afa0 >code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 >processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 >current process = 362 (arlad) >interrupt mask = none >trap number = 12 >panic: page fault > >syncing disks... 19 19 18 11 4 >done >Uptime: 44s > >dumping to dev #ad/0x30001, offset 458752 >dump ata0: resetting devices .. done >32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 >--- >#0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 >469 if (dumping++) { >(kgdb) where >#0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 >#1 0xc014b36b in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:309 >#2 0xc014b701 in panic (fmt=0xc02f5b0f "page fault") > at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:556 >#3 0xc02aaf92 in trap_fatal (frame=0xc416aef0, eva=0) > at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:951 >#4 0xc02aac45 in trap_pfault (frame=0xc416aef0, usermode=0, eva=0) > at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:844 >#5 0xc02aa7bb in trap (frame={tf_fs = 16, tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = 0, > tf_esi = 0, tf_ebp = -1005146208, tf_isp = -1005146340, > tf_ebx = -1005217088, tf_edx = -1070588424, tf_ecx = -1070588424, > tf_eax = 0, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = 0, tf_cs = 8, > tf_eflags = 66118, tf_esp = -1070943655, tf_ss = -1005217088}) > at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:443 >#6 0x0 in ?? () >(kgdb) quit >x25# uname -a >FreeBSD x25.home 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #2: Wed Apr 25 10:13:55 EDT 2001 > rsc@x25.home:/usr/src/sys/compile/INSPIRION3K i386 >x25# exit > >Script done on Wed Apr 25 10:40:56 2001 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 13:43:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B78737B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 13:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-238.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.9.238] helo=omega.my.domain) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14ugzU-0007I5-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 01 May 2001 21:43:25 +0100 Received: from freeloader.freeserve.co.uk (alpha.my.domain [192.168.0.2]) by omega.my.domain (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f41KhFj18614 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:43:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ianjhart@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk) Message-ID: <3AEF1FE3.B581C933@freeloader.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:43:15 +0100 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reading cd's in raw mode References: <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG adriel wrote: > > I used to be able to image a cd for disk storage using dd if=/dev/acd0c > of=file.iso, now it doesnt work, is there a new method for reading a raw > device now? Its not the cd, it worked like a charm on a linux box (Tho I > dont want to have to use linux every time I want a raw image) > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------- > Adriel Ickler > Network Administrator - adriel@jlms.com > Self Trading Securities - Voice: 512-263-2769 > www.selftrading.com - Fax: 512-263-2141 > ---------------------------------------------------- > Corrupt, stupid grasping functionaries will make at least as big a > muddle of socialism as stupid, selfish and acquisitive employers can > make of capitalism. > -- Walter Lippmann > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message bs=2048 -- ianjhart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 14:13:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C17D37B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2770755; Tue, 01 May 2001 15:13:10 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , "Andrew Gordon" Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 16:13:11 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , References: <03ed01c0d23b$323659a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> In-Reply-To: <03ed01c0d23b$323659a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050116131102.01997@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 01 May 2001 07:35 am, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Ah yes, I remember now, I dont' have an AMR slot, but the jumper isn't > defaulted to on for the card. Thanks very much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Gordon" > To: "David W. Chapman Jr." > Cc: "Michael J. Turner" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > > > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard > > > ct5880 > > chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the other does > not. On the system that does not work I get this upon bootup > > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on > > > pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) > > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 > > > > Check the jumpers on your motherboard. > > > > Many motherboards with on-board sound also have an 'AMR' slot into > > which a card can theoretically be inserted carrying a better/different > > codec. Such motherboards typically have a row of jumpers that can > > connect the sound chip (or sound function in the southbridge) to either > > the on-board codec or the AMR slot. > > > > The error you quoted above is exactly what you get if the jumpers are > > set for the AMR slot rather than the on-board codec but the AMR slot is > > empty. > > > > Since you have two machines and one of them works, you can just compare > > the jumpers between them; you don't even have to search for the > > motherboard manual :-) > > Perhaps in BIOS. The Award BIOS's on my machines allow to turn off the on-board sound system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 14:14:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF8837B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA2C10F40F; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:14:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <006101c10272$dc833c40$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Dave Uhring" , "Andrew Gordon" Cc: "Michael J. Turner" , References: <03ed01c0d23b$323659a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> <01050116131102.01997@dave.uhring.com> Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:14:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That is not it since it works in windows. The only options I have are auto and disabled. Thanks for the suggestion though, I really think its a problem with freebsd and am afraid to upgrade this machine and lose sound. > Perhaps in BIOS. The Award BIOS's on my machines allow to turn off the > on-board sound system. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 14:15:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from atlantis.homeip.net (d110240.upc-d.chello.nl [213.46.110.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3829A37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wvengen@stack.nl) Received: (qmail 2145 invoked from network); 1 May 2001 21:15:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO stack.nl) (192.168.1.4) by 192.168.1.1 with SMTP; 1 May 2001 21:15:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3AEF2761.DCC2EDD5@stack.nl> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:15:13 +0200 From: Willem van Engen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "F. Johan Beisser" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI support, FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, and other wonkyness. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "F. Johan Beisser" wrote: > > I am having some minor problems with my Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, and > FreeBSD 4.3. > > i've attached the output from "boot -v" of the current kernel, which is > essentially the GENERIC kernel with USB devices commented out (USB was > sharing IRQ 11 with many other PCI devices). It's not quite clear to me what your problems are. Your output shows several messages containing "failed", but that's because the kernel looks for devices you don't have. BTW, my experience with those irq-sharing is that it doesn't always cause problems. I'm currently having this on my laptop: pci1: at 0.0 irq 9 pci0: at 7.2 irq 9 intpm0: port 0xff80-0xff8f irq 9 at device 7.3 on pci0 pcm0: port 0xf08c-0xf08f,0xf0c0-0xf0ff mem 0xfedf8000-0xfedfffff irq 9 at device 13.0 on pci0 pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x044a) at 16.0 irq 9 pcic-pci0: irq 9 at device 19.0 on pci0 pcic-pci1: irq 9 at device 19.1 on pci0 As you see, they're all using irq 9. I'm using pci1,intpm0,pcm0 and pcic-pci0 and experience no problems. But I don't know why it works... > > The partial issue, seems to be a lack of ACPI support in freebsd, and > perhaps more than a few things related to the Toshiba BIOS. If you want ACPI support, you should use 5.0-current instead of 4.3 (see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html). But it doesn't always work properly/immediately. If you decide to use acpi, you might be interested in subscribing to the mailinglist acpi-jp@jp.freebsd.org. - Willem van Engen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 14:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6D537B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22516; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:29:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01K32WIZNSRKS4OCL4@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:29:52 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f41LToI84559; Wed, 02 May 2001 07:29:50 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:29:50 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock In-reply-to: <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net>; from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 08:30:38AM -0700 To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Mail-Followup-To: John Merryweather Cooper , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Message-id: <20010502072950.N59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> <20010501171807.M59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-May-01 08:30:38 -0700, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: >Couldn't the plip interface arbitrate this though by driving it's "bus" >cycle at the pace of the slowest system? Not really. The options are basically either read the IP packet in a spinloop (as now) or take 2 interrupts per byte (each byte is transmitted as 2 nybbles). One option might be to reduce the interrupt handler priority to allow clock interrupts - though when I tried that, I think it made both systems even more sluggish. (Either system taking a clock interrupt bogs down both systems). Given your speed differential, it might be practical for you to try the `interrupt per nybble' approach on the Duron and use something like ntpdate to continuously `correct' the laptop clock from it. Another option would be to modify the interrupt handler code to count pending (clock) interrupts rather than just setting a flag to say that one is pending. >> I did have the problem with PLIP between my 386 laptop and 486 desktop >> until I reduced the MTU to 512. > >Anything "magical" about 512 (or is lower better here). If lower is >better, how low can I go (I guess I'll find out). Not really. That value seems to work for me between a 386SX25 and a 486DX2-50. YMMV. The disadvantage of reducing the MTU is that the fixed overheads (20 bytes TCP + 20 bytes IP + a couple of bytes for PLIP) eat into your total throughput. You could try timing a couple of big PLIP transfers to calculate your PLIP thoughput and then adjust the MTU so that MTU bytes will take (say) 70% of a clock tick. >> Have you considered using a PPP link running at 115.2kbps instead? >> You will find it a lot more CPU friendly. > >Yes. Not looking forward to buying yet another single-purpose cable. >The null modem I have doesn't seem to do the trick anymore. I don't have problems with standard null-modem cables anywhere. You might have something else amiss. Given that it's a 386, it probably only has a 16450 serial port - I find my laptop can manage 38.4kbps but not 57.6kbps. This means I can get ~3.8KB/sec through PPP compared to 10-15KBps though PLIP. BTW, there may still be some spl mask problems with PLIP. Both SLIP and PLIP have a rather incestuous relationship with both splnet() and spltty(). I'm not sure that the current masking gets it correct. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 14:38:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.hub.org (SHW39-29.accesscable.net [24.138.39.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CFE37B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 14:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by mobile.hub.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f41Lc2W44316; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:38:02 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:38:02 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Cc: Subject: System hangs ... out of ideas ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't that drive ... tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan through the machine showed both to be fine ... I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to ping the box still, normally, right ... ? The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell ... but removing it, the problem persists ... I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15: 4: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24437B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28793; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3AEF32C5.F36D2EE3@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 15:03:49 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> <20010501171807.M59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net> <20010502072950.N59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On 2001-May-01 08:30:38 -0700, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > >Couldn't the plip interface arbitrate this though by driving it's "bus" > >cycle at the pace of the slowest system? > > Not really. The options are basically either read the IP packet > in a spinloop (as now) or take 2 interrupts per byte (each byte > is transmitted as 2 nybbles). One option might be to reduce the > interrupt handler priority to allow clock interrupts - though when > I tried that, I think it made both systems even more sluggish. > (Either system taking a clock interrupt bogs down both systems). > > Given your speed differential, it might be practical for you to > try the `interrupt per nybble' approach on the Duron and use > something like ntpdate to continuously `correct' the laptop clock > from it. > I'm going to try to slash the MTU way down from 1500 first. If that doesn't do it, I'll be interested in enabling the "interrrupt per nibble" approach. Note, the lap top has no problems with it's clock; it's the Duron 700 (doing most of the transmitting--since I was installing packages from 4.2-RELEASE onto my laptop) that gets the major slowdown in the clock. > Another option would be to modify the interrupt handler code to > count pending (clock) interrupts rather than just setting a flag > to say that one is pending. Yes, ultimately, I think that is necessary. With the ever-increasing CPU speed, this little problem with plip is likely to get worse in the future. > >> I did have the problem with PLIP between my 386 laptop and 486 desktop > >> until I reduced the MTU to 512. > > > >Anything "magical" about 512 (or is lower better here). If lower is > >better, how low can I go (I guess I'll find out). > > Not really. That value seems to work for me between a 386SX25 and a > 486DX2-50. YMMV. The disadvantage of reducing the MTU is that the > fixed overheads (20 bytes TCP + 20 bytes IP + a couple of bytes for > PLIP) eat into your total throughput. You could try timing a couple > of big PLIP transfers to calculate your PLIP thoughput and then adjust > the MTU so that MTU bytes will take (say) 70% of a clock tick. > > >> Have you considered using a PPP link running at 115.2kbps instead? > >> You will find it a lot more CPU friendly. > > > >Yes. Not looking forward to buying yet another single-purpose cable. > >The null modem I have doesn't seem to do the trick anymore. > > I don't have problems with standard null-modem cables anywhere. You > might have something else amiss. Given that it's a 386, it probably > only has a 16450 serial port - I find my laptop can manage 38.4kbps > but not 57.6kbps. This means I can get ~3.8KB/sec through PPP compared > to 10-15KBps though PLIP. > Didn't have a null-modem cable--I had an old-old null modem connector for 25-pin serial interfaces. This is the first time I've used it and it wouldn't work. Tried it at every bit rate possible--no dice--probably something not quite right in its cross-over--or it may be damaged (I've moved since last using it). You are correct that the laptop has 16450 UART's. I was averaging 19.2KB/sec with MTU set to 1500 (but with the clock slowing effects on the Duron). > BTW, there may still be some spl mask problems with PLIP. Both SLIP > and PLIP have a rather incestuous relationship with both splnet() and > spltty(). I'm not sure that the current masking gets it correct. Hmm, I'll have to take a look at that code--didn't realize plip and slip shared code (seems logical though). jmc > Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15: 4: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pogo.caustic.org (pogo.caustic.org [208.44.193.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA68737B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johan.beisser@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.0/ignatz) with ESMTP id f41M3iY06663; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: pogo.caustic.org: jan owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 15:03:44 -0700 (PDT) From: "F. Johan Beisser" X-Sender: jan@pogo.caustic.org To: Willem van Engen Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ACPI support, FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE, and other wonkyness. In-Reply-To: <3AEF2761.DCC2EDD5@stack.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, Willem van Engen wrote: > "F. Johan Beisser" wrote: > > > > I am having some minor problems with my Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600, and > > FreeBSD 4.3. > > > > i've attached the output from "boot -v" of the current kernel, which is > > essentially the GENERIC kernel with USB devices commented out (USB was > > sharing IRQ 11 with many other PCI devices). > It's not quite clear to me what your problems are. Your output shows > several messages containing "failed", but that's because the kernel > looks for devices you don't have. in a few cases, it seems that things should work fine, but i end up with device timeouts. the internal fxp0 device, for example, will work fine for a few hours, and then fail with timeout errors. the cable, at least, checks out fine. under win2k, the device has no problems that i can see/experience. (to recover, by the way, i have to reboot. nothing else seems to get the NIC back). > BTW, my experience with those irq-sharing is that it doesn't always > cause > problems. I'm currently having this on my laptop: > pci1: at 0.0 irq 9 > pci0: at 7.2 irq 9 > intpm0: port 0xff80-0xff8f > irq 9 at device 7.3 on pci0 > pcm0: port 0xf08c-0xf08f,0xf0c0-0xf0ff mem > 0xfedf8000-0xfedfffff irq 9 at device 13.0 on pci0 > pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x044a) at 16.0 irq 9 > pcic-pci0: irq 9 at device 19.0 on > pci0 > pcic-pci1: irq 9 at device 19.1 on > pci0 hmm. perhaps i'm missing something in the kernel. i've got a machine at home, though, that as soon as 4.2 rolled in to 4.3-RC1 had problems sharing the irq between the audio device and the video card. looking through the changelogs, i wasn't able to dig up anything relating to changes in the sound system (well, except for the modules, i guess). as long as X windows is not running, audio is fine. this leads me to think that something changed in how FreeBSD is handling interrupts, or something similar. it also makes me concider rolling back to 4.0, and seeing if i can find the exact version where the problem starts. > As you see, they're all using irq 9. I'm using pci1,intpm0,pcm0 and > pcic-pci0 > and experience no problems. But I don't know why it works... heh, i can't tell you why it now doesn't work :) > > The partial issue, seems to be a lack of ACPI support in freebsd, and > > perhaps more than a few things related to the Toshiba BIOS. > If you want ACPI support, you should use 5.0-current instead of 4.3 > (see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html). But it > doesn't > always work properly/immediately. If you decide to use acpi, you might > be interested in subscribing to the mailinglist acpi-jp@jp.freebsd.org. i'll take a look at both. i'd would rather not play around with -current, since my experiences with it haven't been very favourable, and i'd need to find a point where it's not only bootable, but stable enough to use on a daily basis. thanks for the tips, -- johan +------/ f. johan beisser /-----------------------------------+ Web: http://caustic.org/~jan email: johan.beisser@caustic.org "knowledge is power, power corrupts. study hard, be evil" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:20:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A0837B423; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f41MJSs39343; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:19:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:19:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: , Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make buildworld. -- Jonathan M. Slivko ------------------------------------------ Jonathan M. Slivko IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" ----------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have > 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only > thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a > problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... > > On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, > shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after > 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... > > Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we > leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went > down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... > > 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't > that drive ... > > tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, > start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... > > We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just > added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will > re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan > through the machine showed both to be fine ... > > I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to > ping the box still, normally, right ... ? > > The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell > ... but removing it, the problem persists ... > > I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks > old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... > > Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:26:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.shellworld.net (ns.shellworld.net [64.29.16.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D82137B424; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tforrest@ns.shellworld.net) Received: (from tforrest@localhost) by ns.shellworld.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02949; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:26:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200105012226.SAA02949@ns.shellworld.net> From: "Tommy Forrest - KE4PYM" To: "The Hermit Hacker" Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 18:25:57 -0400 Reply-To: "Tommy Forrest - KE4PYM" X-Mailer: BluePrint Software Works PMMail2000 with Bandit Tagger98 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Tag: Bandit Tagger98 - Registered to : KE4PYM Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'd pull the RAM and look at it carefully. Could have just gone *POOF*. Maybe it was nudged in the slightest way. On Tue, 1 May 2001 17:19:27 -0500 (CDT), Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: >Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest >revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make >buildworld. > >-- Jonathan M. Slivko > >------------------------------------------ >Jonathan M. Slivko >IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks >Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > >"FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" >----------------------------------------- > >On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > >> >> I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have >> 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only >> thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a >> problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... >> >> On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, >> shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after >> 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... >> >> Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we >> leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went >> down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... >> >> 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't >> that drive ... >> >> tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, >> start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... >> >> We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just >> added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will >> re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan >> through the machine showed both to be fine ... >> >> I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to >> ping the box still, normally, right ... ? >> >> The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell >> ... but removing it, the problem persists ... >> >> I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks >> old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... >> >> Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? >> >> Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy >> Systems Administrator @ hub.org >> primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > Tommy Forrest - KE4PYM - tforrest@shellworld.net http://www.shellworld.net/~tforrest And now, its time, for some useless, bandwidth wasting words of wisdom: Computer programmers know how to use their hardware. PGP Public Key Fingerprint: B9ED C46F C92E 0101 4B4C BFC1 907C A0D0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:26:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from garlic.acadiau.ca (garlic.acadiau.ca [131.162.138.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AC037B423; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@acadiau.ca) Received: from atelier.acadiau.ca (atelier.acadiau.ca [131.162.138.223]) by garlic.acadiau.ca (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f41MQFv79086; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:26:15 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from marc@acadiau.ca) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:26:15 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: , Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010501192529.B87971-100000@atelier.acadiau.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest > revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make > buildworld. can't get the machine to stay up long enough to do that, but am going to try that the next time we do get it up ... > ------------------------------------------ > Jonathan M. Slivko > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > ----------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have > > 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only > > thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a > > problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... > > > > On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, > > shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after > > 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... > > > > Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we > > leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went > > down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... > > > > 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't > > that drive ... > > > > tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, > > start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... > > > > We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just > > added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will > > re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan > > through the machine showed both to be fine ... > > > > I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to > > ping the box still, normally, right ... ? > > > > The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell > > ... but removing it, the problem persists ... > > > > I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks > > old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... > > > > Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:33:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF69B37B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f41MVwf40344; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:31:58 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:31:57 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: , Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... In-Reply-To: <20010501192529.B87971-100000@atelier.acadiau.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about reinstalling the base system from CD/FTP? ------------------------------------------ Jonathan M. Slivko IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" ----------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest > > revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make > > buildworld. > > can't get the machine to stay up long enough to do that, but am going to > try that the next time we do get it up ... > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Jonathan M. Slivko > > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have > > > 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only > > > thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a > > > problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... > > > > > > On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, > > > shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after > > > 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... > > > > > > Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we > > > leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went > > > down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... > > > > > > 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't > > > that drive ... > > > > > > tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, > > > start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... > > > > > > We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just > > > added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will > > > re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan > > > through the machine showed both to be fine ... > > > > > > I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to > > > ping the box still, normally, right ... ? > > > > > > The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell > > > ... but removing it, the problem persists ... > > > > > > I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks > > > old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... > > > > > > Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca > Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University > > "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:35:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from garlic.acadiau.ca (garlic.acadiau.ca [131.162.138.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF6237B423; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:35:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marc@acadiau.ca) Received: from atelier.acadiau.ca (atelier.acadiau.ca [131.162.138.223]) by garlic.acadiau.ca (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f41MZav79851; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:35:36 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from marc@acadiau.ca) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:35:36 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jonathan M. Slivko" Cc: , Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010501193458.Q87971-100000@atelier.acadiau.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Definitely not an option :( On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > How about reinstalling the base system from CD/FTP? > > ------------------------------------------ > Jonathan M. Slivko > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > ----------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > > > Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest > > > revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make > > > buildworld. > > > > can't get the machine to stay up long enough to do that, but am going to > > try that the next time we do get it up ... > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > Jonathan M. Slivko > > > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > > > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > > > > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have > > > > 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only > > > > thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a > > > > problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... > > > > > > > > On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, > > > > shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after > > > > 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... > > > > > > > > Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we > > > > leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went > > > > down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... > > > > > > > > 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't > > > > that drive ... > > > > > > > > tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, > > > > start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... > > > > > > > > We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just > > > > added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will > > > > re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan > > > > through the machine showed both to be fine ... > > > > > > > > I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to > > > > ping the box still, normally, right ... ? > > > > > > > > The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell > > > > ... but removing it, the problem persists ... > > > > > > > > I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks > > > > old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... > > > > > > > > Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca > > Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University > > > > "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:38: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D773937B424; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:37:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f41MaMb40530; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:36:22 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 17:36:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: , Subject: Re: System hangs ... out of ideas ... In-Reply-To: <20010501193458.Q87971-100000@atelier.acadiau.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG What about popping the drives/RAM into another machine and seeing if they work? That could be an issue. ------------------------------------------ Jonathan M. Slivko IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" ----------------------------------------- On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Definitely not an option :( > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > How about reinstalling the base system from CD/FTP? > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > Jonathan M. Slivko > > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote: > > > > > > > Have you tried to get the tech to do a CVSUP on the machine to the latest > > > > revision? Maybe the problem you are having will be fixed by a make > > > > buildworld. > > > > > > can't get the machine to stay up long enough to do that, but am going to > > > try that the next time we do get it up ... > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > > Jonathan M. Slivko > > > > IRC Operator, AsylumNet IRC Networks > > > > Web: http://jslivko.orcon.net.nz/ > > > > > > > > "FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve!" > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > On Tue, 1 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a server on a SuperMicro Dual MB, good for 4g of RAM (only have > > > > > 1gig right now) motherboard ... onboard SCSI, onboard Ethernet ... only > > > > > thing not onboard was the video card ... purr'd like a kitten, never had a > > > > > problem with it ... runs ~60 jails quite well ... > > > > > > > > > > On monday morning, we installed a second 18gig hard drive ... rebooted, > > > > > shut down one of the jails to copy it to the new drive ... after > > > > > 10minutes, hung solid. No keyboard, no pings nothing ... > > > > > > > > > > Great, bad drive, so, since we can't do anything about it right away, we > > > > > leave the drive idle except a bit of swap ... hung at 1am ... tech went > > > > > down, pulled the drive out and rebooted ... > > > > > > > > > > 6am, she hangs again ... same symptoms, one less drive ... so it isn't > > > > > that drive ... > > > > > > > > > > tech goes down, reboots ... I get long enough to login to the machine, > > > > > start up a top process ... hangs solid again ... > > > > > > > > > > We haven't touched anything on the motherboard, no changes in RAM, just > > > > > added and then removed that one 18gig drive ... we've checked (and will > > > > > re-check) to make sure cables and RAM is seated right, but first scan > > > > > through the machine showed both to be fine ... > > > > > > > > > > I've pretty much run out of ideas ... if it was SCSI, I should be able to > > > > > ping the box still, normally, right ... ? > > > > > > > > > > The catalyst appears to have been the 18gig drive, as far as we can tell > > > > > ... but removing it, the problem persists ... > > > > > > > > > > I'm running 4.3-STABLE(ish) on that machine ... might be a couple of weeks > > > > > old, its down right now (and 2500km away), so can't get any specifics ... > > > > > > > > > > Help? Thoughts? Someething I'm not thinking to look at? > > > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca > > > Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University > > > > > > "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier marc.fournier@acadiau.ca > Senior Systems Administrator Acadia University > > "These are my opinions, which are not necessarily shared by my employer" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 15:48:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12A937B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 15:48:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (lxpx255.lx.ehu.es [158.227.26.155]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f41MmPX18205; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:48:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f41MmMl00788; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:48:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Message-ID: <3AEF3D36.BF1D30EC@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:48:22 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dpto. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: es-ES, es, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: Dave Uhring , Jonathan Belson , "Michael J. Turner" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 References: <004d01c0d1ed$d6f971a0$8ceaf018@daimon> <008501c0d21d$342b2060$650e850a@innovisiongroup.com> <01050105200501.01997@dave.uhring.com> <03d001c0d236$894d8600$931576d8@inethouston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David W. Chapman Jr." wrote: > > Actually the original sb128 has a 1370, I still have one, but it started > going bad on me. They have a CT5800 chip on them. These onboard 128's have > a CT5880 chip, which does work on this workstation, but not the one next to > me. Wierd. > There are several different revisions of the chip, and each one must be detected by the driver. See http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26415 -- JMA ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 16: 1:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woody.ichilton.co.uk (woody.ichilton.co.uk [216.29.174.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3A837B43F for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@woody.ichilton.co.uk) Received: by woody.ichilton.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 083248093; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:01:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:01:31 +0100 From: Ian Chilton To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Firewall, NAT etc Message-ID: <20010502000131.A14756@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Reply-To: Ian Chilton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have been using Linux for years, and have quite a few Linux servers, but am quite new to FreeBSD. I think I have mastered the basics now and have a few basic servers running FreeBSD. But, my next task is more complicated, and I was wondering if anyone could point me towards some good info on this sort of thing, or anyone that has done similar before. I have a machine, which has: vr0 - 123.123.123.123 - static ip, on internet through defaultrouter="123.123.123.1" in rc.conf ed0 = 192.168.0.1 ed1 - 192.168.1.1 ed2 = 192.168.2.1 Right, what I need to do is this: 1) Let the 3 networks, 192.168.0.*, 192.168.1.* and 192.168.2.* have full access to the internet using NAT, through ed0, ed1 and ed2 respectivly. 2) Have a firewall, so only the necessary ports like 22 for ssh server need to be open. Everything else is deny'd, but the 3 internal networks have full internet access. 3) Have firewalls, so the 3 internal networks on ed0, ed1 and ed2 can't see each other. 4) Have a bandwidth "cap" on each of the 3 internal networks, so they can't saturate the connection 5) Use port forwarding, so ports on 123.123.123.123 can be sent to machines on one of the internal networks. I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction for good docs on this stuff, and provide me with any scripts / commands you have that do this stuff. Thanks in Advance!! Bye for Now, Ian \|||/ (o o) /-----------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------\ | Ian Chilton E-Mail: ian@ichilton.co.uk | | IRC Nick: GadgetMan Backup: ichilton@www.linux.org.uk | | ICQ: 16007717 / 104665842 Web : http://www.ichilton.co.uk | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 16: 1:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-186.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FBE37B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 16:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f41N1l858931 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:01:45 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: next STABLE to be 4.4 Message-ID: <20010501190144.B58844@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from owner-freebsd-stable-digest@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 03:33:49PM -0700 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 08:49:56 -0400 > From: Steve Tremblett > Subject: Re: Next STABLE release going to be 4.4? > What about if they reach version 80 - 8086? > I'm reminded of a joke I heard some years ago. As everyone knows, > there has been some debate about the pronunciation of GIF > (g-as-in-George, g-as-in-Gary). There is a less known, but no less > heated debate about SCSI - the originators of SCSI intended the name of > their technology to be pronounced "sexy" :) Which in reality was a logical follow up to what was the first implementaion 'sassy' - SASI - Shugart Associates System Interface?? I had an early machine that supported that and Adaptec did make a SASI controller. Within the year this became SCSI. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 17: 0:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jah.cs.unm.edu (mail.cs.unm.edu [64.106.20.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5290237B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:00:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from colinj@cs.unm.edu) Received: from underground.cs.unm.edu ([64.106.21.103] ident=mail) by jah.cs.unm.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14uk3r-00010d-00; Tue, 01 May 2001 18:00:07 -0600 Received: from colinj (helo=localhost) by underground.cs.unm.edu with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14uk3r-0003Ss-00; Tue, 01 May 2001 18:00:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:00:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Colin Eric Johnson To: Ian Chilton Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall, NAT etc In-Reply-To: <20010502000131.A14756@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Take a look at IPFilter http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter/ and the ipfilter howto http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ I think you should probably start with the howto as it covers most of what you want to do. Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ ``...egos like hairdos, they're different every day, depending on how we slept the night before...'' -Ani Difranco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 17:27:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE62537B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:27:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f420RJo94540; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:27:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:27:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Cc: Subject: java 1.3? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Apologize, in advance, for the very blatant mis-use of cross-posting. I have a client who is demanding I run java 1.3 compatability, but all versions of kaffee and jdk that I can find are only supporting 1.1 -- Does anyone know of anything? Reply to me in private, if you can. Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 17:49:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B483C37B423; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:49:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f420n8E96620; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:49:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:49:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Cc: Subject: Re: java 1.3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Duh.. I needed jdk, but the new jdk that isnt in ports. Thanks. Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> On Tue, 1 May 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > Apologize, in advance, for the very blatant mis-use of cross-posting. > > I have a client who is demanding I run java 1.3 compatability, but all > versions of kaffee and jdk that I can find are only supporting 1.1 -- Does > anyone know of anything? > > Reply to me in private, if you can. > > > > Chris Byrnes > JEAH Communications, LLC. > Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 17:49:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECF337B61C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA31649; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:49:26 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda31647; Tue May 1 17:49:15 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f420nAp16929; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:49:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdf16923; Tue May 1 17:48:23 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f420mMI07023; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105020048.f420mMI07023@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdIE7019; Tue May 1 17:48:01 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: adriel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reading cd's in raw mode In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 May 2001 13:42:38 CDT." <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 17:48:01 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net>, adriel writes: > I used to be able to image a cd for disk storage using dd if=/dev/acd0c > of=file.iso, now it doesnt work, is there a new method for reading a raw > device now? Its not the cd, it worked like a charm on a linux box (Tho I > dont want to have to use linux every time I want a raw image) Just did that Sunday on a 4.3R system. It worked flawlessly. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 17:51:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B505537B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 17:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13497; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:51:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37640) with ESMTP id <01K333K5OYPCV6HMNA@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:51:39 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f420pZT96539; Wed, 02 May 2001 10:51:36 +1000 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 10:51:35 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock In-reply-to: <3AEF32C5.F36D2EE3@webmail.bmi.net>; from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 03:03:49PM -0700 To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Mail-Followup-To: John Merryweather Cooper , FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Message-id: <20010502105135.O59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <3AED84DB.8D241BCF@webmail.bmi.net> <20010501171807.M59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net> <20010502072950.N59150@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <3AEF32C5.F36D2EE3@webmail.bmi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2001-May-01 15:03:49 -0700, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: >I'm going to try to slash the MTU way down from 1500 first. If that >doesn't do it, I'll be interested in enabling the "interrrupt per >nibble" approach. Note that the code to do this doesn't exist - you'll need to re-write /sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c:lp_intr() and remove the splhigh() from /sys/dev/ppbus/if_plip.c:lpoutput() >Hmm, I'll have to take a look at that code--didn't realize plip and slip >shared code (seems logical though). They don't directly share code. They both share a reliance on both the TTY and NET subsystems. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 18: 0:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from casimir.physics.purdue.edu (casimir.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F1B37B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:00:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@physics.purdue.edu) Received: by casimir.physics.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9A9361C0E3; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:56:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:56:20 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Chris Byrnes Cc: ports@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java 1.3? Message-ID: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , Chris Byrnes , ports@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="L/qZrt9Q72ZzpKdm" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: ; from chris@jeah.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:49:08PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.18 sparc64 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --L/qZrt9Q72ZzpKdm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:49:08PM -0500, Chris Byrnes wrote: > Duh.. I needed jdk, but the new jdk that isnt in ports. Thanks. Uh, it's right in ports/java/linux-jdk13. --=20 wca --L/qZrt9Q72ZzpKdm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE671s0F47idPgWcsURAvMVAKCEB880EtCyYHun2G4qpRMIVPL5+gCfZiHT VZEiNFmCGbrHxp8BSRVQtMg= =Thn7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --L/qZrt9Q72ZzpKdm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 18:32: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B98837B422; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f421Vaf20569; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:31:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@jeah.net) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:31:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Byrnes To: Will Andrews Cc: , Subject: Re: java 1.3? In-Reply-To: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Message-ID: <20010501203058.D20050-100000@awww.jeah.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thats what I meant. Its not the jdk thats under jdk in ports. Chris Byrnes JEAH Communications, LLC. Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> On Tue, 1 May 2001, Will Andrews wrote: > On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 07:49:08PM -0500, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > Duh.. I needed jdk, but the new jdk that isnt in ports. Thanks. > > Uh, it's right in ports/java/linux-jdk13. > > -- > wca > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 18:37: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org (CPE-144-132-234-126.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.234.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B37BD37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areilly@bigpond.net.au) Received: (qmail 1853 invoked by uid 1000); 2 May 2001 01:36:59 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:36:59 +1000 To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Gregory Bond , bc979@lafn.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: Illegal Instruction in libm - Problem solved.... Message-ID: <20010502113659.B1059@gurney.reilly.home> References: <200104280139.LAA01281@lightning.itga.com.au> <200104301434.HAA27894@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104301434.HAA27894@freeway.dcfinc.com>; from chad@DCFinc.com on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:34:35AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 07:34:35AM -0700, Chad R. Larson wrote: > As I recall, Gregory Bond wrote: > >> It may always have been a bug in FreeBSD, and still is. > > > > No, the bug is in your code, not FreeBSD. > > > >> The concept of being able to replace a library module with one from > >> your code is fairly common in SVR4, and SunOS. > > > > Even if true (and the C standard makes no such promises), this is not > > what you did. You replaced a standard library function free() with an > > int called free. That is in no way shape or form "replacing a library > > module". This is just plain wrong, and the fact it happened to work > > in previous versions of the FreeBSD C library is just luck. > > On the other hand, it doesn't seem unreasonable that the loader > should issue a warning in that instance. I introduced a similarly bizarre bug one day by creating an int variable called "end". I don't know of any standard C library function called "end", but there is apparently a part of the loader that wants to know where the program ends, and uses this name to label that address. I now know about end,etext,edata(3), and have changed the code to not use that variable name. Seemed like a pretty reasonable name at the time. Didn't produce any compile or link errors. DID produce completely insane run-time behaviour. I think that lack of warnings or messages in this situation is indeed a FreeBSD bug, but I don't know whether it is _really_ a bug, and don't know how I would file it in a PR. Maybe this is the best argument _for_ hungarian notation: all of the good, short names are already used somewhere in global context in the system. :-( -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 18:59: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org (CPE-144-132-234-126.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.234.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 603F537B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 18:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areilly@bigpond.net.au) Received: (qmail 2017 invoked by uid 1000); 2 May 2001 01:58:58 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:58:58 +1000 To: Erik Trulsson Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with 4.3-RELEASE compiler Message-ID: <20010502115858.D1059@gurney.reilly.home> References: <20010427155725.L18676@fw.wintelcom.net> <200104280035.UAA11427@ns1.rwwa.com> <20010427180834.B24927@xor.obsecurity.org> <20010428131414.B5681@student.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010428131414.B5681@student.uu.se>; from ertr1013@student.uu.se on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 01:14:14PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 01:14:14PM +0200, Erik Trulsson wrote: > Generally I would say that one shouldn't use -O3 unless some measurements > have been made and -O3 can be shown to actually have a positive effect on > the code in question. I know that it's not a general consideration, but as a fan of SmallEiffel, I'd quite like -O3 to work most of the time. The issue with SmallEiffel is that (a) it uses C as it's back-end "universal assembler", and (b) tends to generate trivial subroutines for object accessor and setter methods. As a general rule, gcc's function inlining and subsequent strength reduction is effective at turning this sort of code into something that is about as efficient as one could ever want. -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 19: 6:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from areilly.bpc-users.org (CPE-144-132-234-126.nsw.bigpond.net.au [144.132.234.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07B6A37B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:06:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areilly@bigpond.net.au) Received: (qmail 2101 invoked by uid 1000); 2 May 2001 02:06:08 -0000 From: "Andrew Reilly" Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:06:08 +1000 To: Graywane Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with 4.3-RELEASE compiler Message-ID: <20010502120608.E1059@gurney.reilly.home> References: <20010427155725.L18676@fw.wintelcom.net> <200104280035.UAA11427@ns1.rwwa.com> <20010427210644.A1197@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010427210644.A1197@home.com>; from graywane@home.com on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 09:06:45PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 09:06:45PM -0400, Graywane wrote: > the program that demonstrates the problem. The problem is that it is hard to > code a strength reduce optimization on platforms with small register sets > (such as the Intel platform). Having very few people truly understand the > optimization code while trying to support numerous platforms only > exacerbates the problem. I haven't ever looked at the innards of gcc. I'm surprised that this is a register allocation issue, as I would have expected that strength reduction (and inline) manipulations would be performed at the target-independant, parse-tree level, before instruction selection and register allocation had even been done. I've even seen a TI DSP C compiler that had a flag that allowed you to emit the result of most of the optimisation operations as an equivelant C file. Oh well. Gcc is what we've got. Might as well learn to live with it. -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 19:11: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A506937B424 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aaron@swcp.com) Received: (from aaron@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id UAA13752 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:11:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Aaron Birenboim Message-Id: <200105020211.UAA13752@shimi.swcp.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Duron unsupported???!?!? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just lost my thin-server, and was re-building 4.3 on new hardware. I got an AMD duron. Problem is that I can't seem to build a kernel. I get a panic, "processor type not recognized"... and some text indicating that the processor was somehow identified as "AuthenticAMD Duron....." or something. Then the kernel stops. (Sorry, I should have written down the message.... I'm on the GENERIC kernel now...) There must be a way to build a Kernel on a Duron... that runs on a Duron, right????!?!?!? Sorry to ask this, but please respond to aaron@swcp.com, since my other mail serivce (and the list) is down until I get this fixed. Thanks in advcance, aaron To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 19:27: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB00437B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f422QxO23776; Tue, 1 May 2001 22:26:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f422Qs123768; Tue, 1 May 2001 22:26:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010501222558.028bb938@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 22:26:53 -0400 To: Aaron Birenboim , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: Duron unsupported???!?!? In-Reply-To: <200105020211.UAA13752@shimi.swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:11 PM 5/1/2001 -0600, Aaron Birenboim wrote: > There must be a way to build a Kernel on a Duron... that >runs on a Duron, right????!?!?!? Try cpu I386_CPU cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU # aka Pentium(tm) cpu I686_CPU # aka Pentium Pro(tm) in your custom kernel... ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 19:48:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.whack.org (apogee.whack.org [167.216.255.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533DF37B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 19:48:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ekips@whack.org) Received: from apogee.whack.org ([167.216.255.203] ident=ekips) by mx1.whack.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14umgt-00033x-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 May 2001 19:48:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 19:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: `e k i p s To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG +--- | `e k i p s enterprises | francisco j. sanchez | fjs@ekips.com | ---+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 20:22:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.hub.org (SHW39-29.accesscable.net [24.138.39.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97CB37B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:22:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by mobile.hub.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f423Mmc46336 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:22:49 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:22:48 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Subject: fxp driver in -stable ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Morning all... Earlier today, I posted asking about potential causes for a hang of a machine running -stable ...techies got a chance to get down to the office this evening, and it turns out that the fxp driver was "wedged", with a simple 'ifconfig down/up' rectifyin gthe situation ... Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone knows of any problems ... Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it down ;( ) ... Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that flooded the NIC? Thanks ... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 20:33:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B22937B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f423Xlb24225; Tue, 1 May 2001 23:33:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.3/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f423Xg124217; Tue, 1 May 2001 23:33:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010501232553.0267df80@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 23:33:41 -0400 To: The Hermit Hacker , From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:22 AM 5/2/2001 -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver >from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE >kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone >knows of any problems ... I dont think the driver has changed in a while. > Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was >something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as >nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it >down ;( ) ... > > Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that >flooded the NIC? It sounds like some network resource running out no ? netstat -m ? I think I remember someone else mentioning a similar problem recently. Not sure if it was on stable or another list like net. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 20:42:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from joliet.groenquist.com (cx707588-b.santab1.ca.home.com [65.5.150.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE9537B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by joliet.groenquist.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f423fmW01176; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:41:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Groener Reply-To: Matt Groener To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am currently running -STABLE with fxp card with no problems. I am in the middle of a multiple hundreds of GB transfer (280GB) with no problems so far. My only change was to force the "media" and "mediaopt" functionality in ifconfig so that my Cisco switch would stop erroring out (maybe your problem?) My configs: (none of the unimportant data is real, sorry) # uname -a FreeBSD my.server.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 30 12:37:46 PDT 2001 root@my.server.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNCONF i386 # dmesg | grep fxp (this is a dual port card) fxp0: port 0x9000-0x901f mem 0xf5800000-0xf58fffff,0xfc000000-0xfc000fff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 fxp1: port 0x9020-0x903f mem 0xf5900000-0xf59fffff,0xfc001000-0xfc001fff irq 9 at device 5.0 on pci2 # ifconfig (only the fxp* ports) fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 0xfffff800 broadcast 192.168.15.255 ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) media: 100baseTX status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP fxp1: flags=8802 mtu 1500 ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) media: autoselect status: no carrier supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP # /etc/rc.conf config line (wrapped) ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 255.255.248.0 media 100baseTX \ mediaopt full-duplex" -matt On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Morning all... > > Earlier today, I posted asking about potential causes for a hang > of a machine running -stable ...techies got a chance to get down to the > office this evening, and it turns out that the fxp driver was "wedged", > with a simple 'ifconfig down/up' rectifyin gthe situation ... > > Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver > from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE > kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone > knows of any problems ... > > Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was > something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as > nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it > down ;( ) ... > > Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that > flooded the NIC? > > Thanks ... > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 20:42:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F11137B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:42:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00878; Tue, 1 May 2001 20:41:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200105020341.UAA00878@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: CVS problems with RELENG_4_3 In-Reply-To: <200104301625.f3UGP0g41173@vashon.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Apr 30, 2001 09:25:00 am" To: jdp@polstra.com (John Polstra) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UNKNOWN-8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In article <200104301536.IAA98325@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>, Rodney W. Grimes > wrote: > > > Try adding ``RELENG_4_3 y'' to the end of the file CVSROOT/val-tags, > > that fixed it for me. I sent email to repo-mister about this 3 days > > ago, but I haven't seen a commit fixing it. > > I don't recall seeing any mail from you about this. Did you send it > to ? > > In any case, the val-tags file is not distributed to the mirrors. > Fixing it on freefall wouldn't make any difference for the mirror > sites. Ooopsss... I think I sent it to Peter: !grep val-tags ~/Mail/* peter:Subject: Can you fix CVSROOT/val-tags peter:got an empty directory. Seems that val-tags needs to have > > John > -- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa > > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 21:17:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk (tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk [193.162.142.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08D9037B422 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lyngbol@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk) Received: by tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5585C2A29; Wed, 2 May 2001 06:17:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 06:17:19 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Michael_Lyngb=F8l?= To: Aaron Birenboim Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Duron unsupported???!?!? Message-ID: <20010502061719.C4791@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk> References: <200105020211.UAA13752@shimi.swcp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105020211.UAA13752@shimi.swcp.com>; from aaron@swcp.com on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 08:11:16PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Fingerprint: AA 2C 9C 13 97 C7 91 58 7E 6E 2A DC 11 E4 E7 F1 X-PGP-Public-Key: finger lyngbol@tigerdyr.lyngbol.dk Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01.05.2001 20:11:16 +0000, Aaron Birenboim wrote: > > I just lost my thin-server, and was re-building 4.3 > on new hardware. I got an AMD duron. > > Problem is that I can't seem to build a kernel. > I get a panic, "processor type not recognized"... and > some text indicating that the processor was somehow identified > as "AuthenticAMD Duron....." or something. Then the kernel stops. > (Sorry, I should have written down the message.... I'm on the > GENERIC kernel now...) Works fine: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Sun Apr 22 09:15:15 CEST 2001 root@foo:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BAR Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 756744160 Hz CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor (756.74-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x631 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> This is with only 'cpu I686_CPU' /Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 21:23:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from posgate.acis.com.au (posgate.acis.com.au [203.14.230.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E23137B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:23:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (dialup-3.aaa.net.au [203.14.230.68]) by posgate.acis.com.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f424NHI25665; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:23:20 +1000 Received: from bullseye.apana.org.au (central-f.apana.org.au [203.9.107.235]) by bullseye.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01303; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:07:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:02:06 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew MacIntyre To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: problem with plip stealing clock In-Reply-To: <3AEED69E.F6EC1EAD@webmail.bmi.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > > I did have the problem with PLIP between my 386 laptop and 486 desktop > > until I reduced the MTU to 512. > > Anything "magical" about 512 (or is lower better here). If lower is > better, how low can I go (I guess I'll find out). You seek a compromise: lower the MTU until your time loss problem goes away, but not much lower as the overhead in packet reassembly becomes more significant as MTU is lowered. I don't know what the actual minimum is, but IIRC MTU < ~128 bytes doesn't usually achieve much. I'd start at the MTU=512 Jeremy suggested. -- Andrew I MacIntyre "These thoughts are mine alone..." E-mail: andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au (work) | Snail: PO Box 370 andymac@bullseye.apana.org.au (play) | Belconnen ACT 2616 andymac@pcug.org.au (play2) | Australia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 21:58:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ED737B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:58:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gdinolt@pacbell.net) Received: from pacbell.net ([63.199.30.173]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GCO00E49Z4SLN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 May 2001 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 21:58:04 -0700 From: "George W. Dinolt" Subject: Re: Duron unsupported???!?!? To: aaron@swcp.com Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <3AEF93DC.142D617@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been running a 750 MHz Duron for several months now on 4.2, 4.3 and -current with no problems (except sometimes recently on -current, but that is not the hardware's fault.) The first part of my dmesg is ----------------------------- Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 28 21:10:17 PDT 2001 root@dinolt1.bingdrive.org:/tmp/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DINOLT1 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 750031882 Hz CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor (750.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x630 Stepping = 0 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> real memory = 201261056 (196544K bytes) avail memory = 191918080 (187420K bytes) ... ----------------------------- I have built and run with GENERIC kernels as well as specialized ones. The top of my config file looks as follows: ----------------------- machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident XXXXX maxusers 32 options NO_F00F_HACK options NO_MEMORY_HOLE options CPU_WT_ALLOC # # BLKDEV_IOSIZE sets the default block size used in user block # device I/O. Note that this value will be overriden by the label # when specifying a block device from a label with a non-0 # partition blocksize. The default is PAGE_SIZE. # options BLKDEV_IOSIZE=8192 options PQ_CACHESIZE=512 # color for 512k/16k cache ... -------------------------- I am not sure whether one should use the PQ_CACHESIZE or not and if this is the "right" value, but it all works for me. I set the following in my make.conf CPUTYPE=k7 but this is almost certainly not necessary either. If you are running with a GENERIC kernel, then the above should work. If you can't get the GENERIC kernel to work, then I would wonder if there are problems elsewhere, something not set properly on your motherboard maybe? My (cheap) Transcend TS-AKT4 motherboard uses the VIA chip set. I don't know what other chip sets might support the Duron. I am only using PC100 memory. With my drives, I get a 1hr and 5 min make world so I am not complaining too much. I would be happy to send you my complete config file, if you think that would help. Good luck. George Dinolt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 22:11:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tp.databus.com (p101-46.acedsl.com [160.79.101.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E4537B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 22:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney@tp.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by tp.databus.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f425B5k69824; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:11:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barney) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:11:05 -0400 From: Barney Wolff To: adriel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: reading cd's in raw mode Message-ID: <20010502011105.A69765@tp.databus.com> References: <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010501134238.N45160@adriel.net>; from adriel@adriel.net on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 01:42:38PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Try adding bs=2048. Dunno if it was required before, but it seems to be now. Without it dd's bs is wrong for the cd. Barney Wolff On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 01:42:38PM -0500, adriel wrote: > I used to be able to image a cd for disk storage using dd if=/dev/acd0c > of=file.iso, now it doesnt work, is there a new method for reading a raw > device now? Its not the cd, it worked like a charm on a linux box (Tho I > dont want to have to use linux every time I want a raw image) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 23:57:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.hub.org (SHW39-29.accesscable.net [24.138.39.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707D537B423 for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 23:57:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by mobile.hub.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f426vAW50155; Wed, 2 May 2001 03:57:11 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:57:10 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Matt Groener Cc: Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > I am currently running -STABLE with fxp card with no problems. > I am in the middle of a multiple hundreds of GB transfer (280GB) > with no problems so far. My only change was to force the "media" > and "mediaopt" functionality in ifconfig so that my Cisco switch > would stop erroring out (maybe your problem?) What kind of "erroring out" were/are you seeing? > > My configs: (none of the unimportant data is real, sorry) > # uname -a > FreeBSD my.server.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 30 > 12:37:46 PDT 2001 root@my.server.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNCONF i386 > > # dmesg | grep fxp (this is a dual port card) > fxp0: port 0x9000-0x901f mem > 0xf5800000-0xf58fffff,0xfc000000-0xfc000fff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 > fxp1: port 0x9020-0x903f mem > 0xf5900000-0xf59fffff,0xfc001000-0xfc001fff irq 9 at device 5.0 on pci2 > > # ifconfig (only the fxp* ports) > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 0xfffff800 broadcast 192.168.15.255 > ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) > media: 100baseTX status: active > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > fxp1: flags=8802 mtu 1500 > ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) > media: autoselect status: no carrier > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > > # /etc/rc.conf config line (wrapped) > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 255.255.248.0 media 100baseTX \ > mediaopt full-duplex" > > -matt > > > On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > Morning all... > > > > Earlier today, I posted asking about potential causes for a hang > > of a machine running -stable ...techies got a chance to get down to the > > office this evening, and it turns out that the fxp driver was "wedged", > > with a simple 'ifconfig down/up' rectifyin gthe situation ... > > > > Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver > > from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE > > kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone > > knows of any problems ... > > > > Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was > > something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as > > nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it > > down ;( ) ... > > > > Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that > > flooded the NIC? > > > > Thanks ... > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 1 23:59:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.hub.org (SHW39-29.accesscable.net [24.138.39.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB4237B43C for ; Tue, 1 May 2001 23:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by mobile.hub.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f426xE350165; Wed, 2 May 2001 03:59:14 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: mobile.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 03:59:14 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20010501232553.0267df80@192.168.0.12> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 1 May 2001, Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 12:22 AM 5/2/2001 -0300, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver > >from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE > >kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone > >knows of any problems ... > > I dont think the driver has changed in a while. > > > > Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was > >something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as > >nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it > >down ;( ) ... > > > > Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that > >flooded the NIC? > > > It sounds like some network resource running out no ? netstat -m ? I think > I remember someone else mentioning a similar problem recently. Not sure if > it was on stable or another list like net. > netstat -m is/was the first thing I thought of ... actually have a monitor script running every 5 minutes to watch this, and not being exceeded (or even coming close to max) ... I think its peak'd so far around 700 out of a max of 4096 ... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 0:35:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C5D37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:35:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oistrakh@earthlink.net) Received: from pirastro.oistrakh.org (user-2ivftbk.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.245.116]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27213; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (oistrakh@localhost) by pirastro.oistrakh.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f427XhD02708; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oistrakh@earthlink.net) X-Authentication-Warning: pirastro.oistrakh.org: oistrakh owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Christian Chen X-X-Sender: To: "David W.Chapman Jr." Cc: , Subject: [Slightly OT] Re: tail In-Reply-To: <01042923320407.06042@dwcjr.inethouston.net> Message-ID: <20010502002751.P2686-100000@pirastro.oistrakh.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you find this aspect of cat and tail to be annoying, at least it's consistent. On Solaris 2.7/2.8, cat will 1. Complain if you try to cat a normal, relative path directory, such as 'cat mydir' 2. Complain if you try to cat any NFS-mounted directory 3. BUT, happily display any full path directory, such as '/', '/tmp' and '/tmp/somewhere/over/the/rainbow' This is all the more crazy because 'truss cat /' clearly displays a call to fstat() to check the type of the file, and fstat()/fstat64() correctly returns that '/', '/tmp', et al., are directories. Christian Chen On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, David W.Chapman Jr. wrote: > Has it ever been different, have you tried running cat / > > its just taking the last few lines of that. What are you expecting? > > > :: -----Original Message----- > > :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chris Byrnes > > :: Sent: Monday, 30 April 2001 16:25 > > :: To: stable@freebsd.org > > :: Subject: tail > > :: > > :: awww# tail / > > :: > > :: . > > :: .. > > :: dev > > :: usr > > :: varstand > > :: etc) > > :: compat$procu% > > :: binbootuC > > :: > > :: sys > > :: mnt( > > :: modulesrootusbinuC > > :: > > :: sys.cshrc.profile; COPYRIGHTkernelENERIC > > :: ,tmp > > :: modules.ollibexec > > :: home7 > > :: kernel.old5x > > :: sshd.corst2iI1UR28-2000.tgzbackups9-23-2000.tar.gsh.coreS > > :: > > :: syslogd.coreawww# > > :: > > :: > > :: wtf? > > :: > > :: Chris Byrnes > > :: JEAH Communications, LLC. > > :: Toll-Free <1-866-AWW-JEAH> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 0:49:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2B937B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:49:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f427lUA30737; Wed, 2 May 2001 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: Matt Groener , Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > > > I am currently running -STABLE with fxp card with no problems. > > I am in the middle of a multiple hundreds of GB transfer (280GB) > > with no problems so far. My only change was to force the "media" > > and "mediaopt" functionality in ifconfig so that my Cisco switch > > would stop erroring out (maybe your problem?) > > What kind of "erroring out" were/are you seeing? Cisco's are horrible at autonegotiation. They always get the duplex wrong. At the very least, it will negotiate down to 100tx-half when both sides support full-duplex. So the best way is to just lock everything down. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 1: 8: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A084A37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f42862532950; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 01:06:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Colin Eric Johnson Cc: Ian Chilton , Subject: Re: Firewall, NAT etc In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The other option is IPFW, which is listed in the handbook. I'm not sure about IPF but I know that IPFW can do everything you are asking (including the bandwidth limiting). On the other hand, ipf has a cool top-like status window which just sounds really cool! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html -gordon On Tue, 1 May 2001, Colin Eric Johnson wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:00:06 -0600 (MDT) > From: Colin Eric Johnson > To: Ian Chilton > Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Firewall, NAT etc > > > Take a look at IPFilter http://coombs.anu.edu.au/ipfilter/ and the > ipfilter howto http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ > > I think you should probably start with the howto as it covers most of what > you want to do. > > Colin E. Johnson | colinj@unm.edu | http://www.unm.edu/~colinj/ > ``...egos like hairdos, they're different every day, depending on how > we slept the night before...'' -Ani Difranco > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 1:18:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9939137B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id LHA78197; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:18:13 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4285Ll01040; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:05:21 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:05:20 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Matt Dillon Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error Message-ID: <20010502110520.B340@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:06:30AM -0700 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:06:30, dillon (Matt Dillon) wrote about "Re: Strange BTX halted error": > I was getting BTX halted failures due to BIOS confusion related to > dangerously dedicated partitions. It's what prompted me to fix the > disklabel code to allow boot blocks to be installed on slices. > Unfortunately, the only way I could fix my particular problem was > to get rid of my dangerously dedicated partition which meant blowing > away the hard drive and repartitioning and relabeling it. If disk is `dangerously dedicated', sector 0:0:1 is occupied with boot1, which does not use master PT area (0x1BE-0x1FF) and even contains a simple fake valid PT. Did you ever try to set there something syntactically valid for your BIOS and enough to allow loading of specific "bootloader"? If you did, what was the problem? P.S. On our FreeBSD hosts bunch we almost proved practically that the only safe partitioning is to create DOS slices (with below-cyl-1024 bootable one) with LBA geometry specified to fdisk. Any another approach leads to something strange effects: e.g. BTX cannot load /boot/loader and loads kernel directly, with natural `nlist failed'. But we never tried to change fake PT on dedicated disk directly. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 1:44:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.alphaque.com (ns2.alphaque.com [202.185.254.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBD8F37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 01:44:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Received: (qmail 11467 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from ns2.alphaque.com (HELO prophet.alphaque.com) (202.185.254.11) by ns2.alphaque.com with SMTP; 2 May 2001 08:44:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (jgjjto@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prophet.alphaque.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f428iRJ00870 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:44:28 +0800 (MYT) (envelope-from dinesh@alphaque.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:44:26 +0800 (MYT) From: Dinesh Nair To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: USB In-System Design USB Storage Adapter Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey, have just found myself an LG CED8080B CD-RW device. plugging into my freebsd 4.3-STABLE box, it is recognized as ugen0: In-System Design USB Storage Adapter, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 however, it's not recognized as a CD device as i am unable to even mount a readonly CD off it. the manual, which is korean, doesnt help. there apparently is a driver included with the device which on windows (like duh!) will set up a USB to IDE bridge. it supposedly is also recognizable as an ATAPI device, but this doesnt show in freebsd as well. there is no umass line nor any other device line which shows recognition of the CDRW other than the ugen0 line above. any clues as to which driver would work with this ? i've not tried with the wd or wcd drivers as LINT says it conflicts with ata which i have working fine for my disk. tried enabling scbus and da devices and still isnt recognized. has anyone had experience with these babies ? --dinesh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 2: 9: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FCB37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14usco-0006TC-00; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:08:50 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4298ih25954; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:08:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:08:44 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Juha Saarinen Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: secure-supfile ? Message-ID: <20010502100844.A25859@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <200104271458.f3REwoc03905@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Sat, Apr 28, 2001 at 08:30:40AM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Juha Saarinen [010427 21:33]: > :: 3. Should defaults need to be changed, create or edit the /etc file of > :: the same name to contain just the items requiring non-default > :: behavior. > > It might be a little confusing to newbies that there is no empty > /etc/make.conf file, which is probably why they go into defaults instead. > > Maybe it'd be a good idea to put in an empty file, which says something > like: > > # Please check /etc/defaults/make.conf for system-wide defaults, but don't > edit that file. WQhy not follow /etc/defaults/rc.conf's lead? --------------------------------------------- # This is rc.conf - a file full of useful variables that you can set # to change the default startup behavior of your system. You should # not edit this file! --------------------------------------------- I think adding a similar message in the other files in /etc/defaults would make sense. Anyone who opens the file has to walk past the sign saying 'what are you doing in here?' before editing any entries. -- After an instrument has been assembled, extra components will be found on the bench. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 2:24:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFB037B43F; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM) Received: from eastmail2.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06690; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swanaba.east (swanaba.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.54]) by eastmail2.East.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA06852; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sun.COM (swantty.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.52]) by swanaba.east (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10592; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEFD275.9C780588@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:25:09 +0200 From: Robert Hellwig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-stable-digest@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: jdk12beta port problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, while trying to compile the jdk12beta port I encountered this strange error.... When the process is somewhere half through it complains about that Xcopy is not in my path and I should install it in c:\winnt... Needless to say that I'[m using FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE.. Guess the make process somehow confuses my machine with an NT box... Can anyone please offer some help?? --Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 2:33:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A470C37B43C for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:33:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13789; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:33:02 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f429lXb14589; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:47:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:47:33 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: Robert Hellwig Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk12beta port problem Message-ID: <20010502124733.B13602@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr References: <3AEFD275.9C780588@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3AEFD275.9C780588@Sun.COM>; from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:25:09AM +0200 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:25:09AM +0200, Robert Hellwig wrote: > Hi, > > while trying to compile the jdk12beta port I encountered this strange > error.... > When the process is somewhere half through it complains about that Xcopy > is not in my path and I should install it in c:\winnt... Needless to say > that I'[m using FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE.. Guess the make process somehow > confuses my machine with an NT box... Can anyone please offer some > help?? Perhaps you downloaded the wrong tarball from Sun's site? You need the Solaris version of the sources. -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 2:50:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B751C37B43C for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM) Received: from eastmail1.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.240]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23012; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swanaba.east (swanaba.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.54]) by eastmail1.East.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA26351; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sun.COM (swantty.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.52]) by swanaba.east (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA10656; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AEFD880.17D8EB82@Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:50:56 +0200 From: Robert Hellwig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: past@netmode.ntua.gr Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: jdk12beta port problem References: <3AEFD275.9C780588@Sun.COM> <20010502124733.B13602@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Panagiotis Astithas wrote: > > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:25:09AM +0200, Robert Hellwig wrote: > > Hi, > > > > while trying to compile the jdk12beta port I encountered this strange > > error.... > > When the process is somewhere half through it complains about that Xcopy > > is not in my path and I should install it in c:\winnt... Needless to say > > that I'[m using FreeBSD 4.3 STABLE.. Guess the make process somehow > > confuses my machine with an NT box... Can anyone please offer some > > help?? > > Perhaps you downloaded the wrong tarball from Sun's site? You need > the Solaris version of the sources. > > -past Well I downloaded the J2SDK 1.2 Source. The other thing I can download on the smame page is the Java (tm), SDK, Standard Edition for Linux. I thought that was the jdk1.2.2 Linux binaries but appears to be the source for the Linux JDK...that's the only option left..well I give it a try ;-) Thanks --Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 2:56:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [212.66.1.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769C537B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 02:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA50949; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:56:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:56:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200105020956.LAA50949@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tail In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.1-RELEASE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dan Langille wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Chris Byrnes wrote: > > We have rm -rf to protect us from doing things to directories (IE: rm > > /poop). > > This avoids catastraphic file removals. > > > We need tail -argument to protect us from doing things to directories. > > This avoids nothing. I agree 100%. Furthermore, we would have to add such an -option to hundreds of tools, literally. That's not feasible. BTW, I often find myself needing to "edit" a directory (this is sometimes more handy than a bunch of "mv" commands). This doesn't work with vi, of course (you can read a directory, but you can't write it), so I wrote a small shell script that loads the directory (that is, the filenames) into your $EDITOR and writes them back afterwards (i.e. renames the files). http://www.secnetix.de/~olli/scripts/vils Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "All that we see or seem is just a dream within a dream" (E. A. Poe) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 3:37:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.uclm.es (relay.uclm.es [161.67.124.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E408037B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 03:37:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jjgarcia@ind-cr.uclm.es) Received: by relay.uclm.es (Postfix, from userid 3348) id D1E8A989B6; Wed, 02 May 2001 12:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from correo.uclm.es (unknown [161.67.40.12]) by relay.uclm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE699B9088 for ; Wed, 02 May 2001 12:37:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mobile-ripoll.arrakis.es (ripoll.ind-cr.uclm.es [161.67.37.116] (may be forged)) by correo.uclm.es (8.9.3/UCLM.CReal) with ESMTP id MAA10500 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:37:05 +0200 Received: (from jjgarcia@localhost) by mobile-ripoll.arrakis.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f42AfdP01303; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:41:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jjgarcia@ind-cr.uclm.es) X-Authentication-Warning: mobile-ripoll.arrakis.es: jjgarcia set sender to jjgarcia@ind-cr.uclm.es using -f To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: KDE, permissions, and apm MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Juan Jose Garcia Ripoll Date: 02 May 2001 12:41:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87pudsm3rw.fsf@mobile-ripoll.arrakis.es> Lines: 24 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.14.6 (based on Gnus v5.8.8) (revision 04) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have just updated my laptop to 4.3, XFree86-4.3 and KDE-2 from ports. I have found several problems which maybe someone here has also faced 1) The apmd daemon locks my laptop when recovering from a standby or suspend. This does not happen when "apmd" is killed and I just let the kernel handle suspends, but this not an option since then the ethernet card is not properly restarted. 2) KDE-2 continously complains about permissions. When downloading a file, say a PDF, it pops up a message about "cannot change file permissions" and leaves that file with a+x permissions. Similar error messages appear when creating objects in the desktop, such as links to web pages and filesystems. Juanjo -- Juan Jose Garcia Ripoll www: http://matematicas.uclm.es/~jjgarcia/ Dpto. de Matematicas job: jjgarcia@ind-cr.uclm.es E.T.S.I. Industriales phn: +34-926-295435 Univ. de Castilla-La Mancha, Ciudad Real E-13071 (Spain) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 4:58:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from castle.dreaming.org (castle.dreaming.org [216.221.214.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE8B37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 04:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mit@branchmedia.com) Received: from cr592943c (cr592943-c.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.156.39.136]) by castle.dreaming.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f42BvrP16302 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:57:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mit@branchmedia.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "FreeBSD-Stable" Subject: This is a new one... Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 07:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0264_01C0D2DD.694BBAF0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0264_01C0D2DD.694BBAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Never seen this one before... w/last night's stable, root-goku>>make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bi n LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac MACHINE=i386 make KERNEL=kernel install You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. *** Error code 1 -- Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe For full contact information, please visit: http://my.infotriever.com/mitayai ------=_NextPart_000_0264_01C0D2DD.694BBAF0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Rowe;Will;Mitayai Keeso FN:Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe NICKNAME:Mitayai ORG:Mitayai.Net TITLE:President NOTE:=20 TEL;WORK;VOICE:(416) 934-9404 TEL;HOME;VOICE:(416) 934-0349 TEL;CELL;VOICE:(416) 561-1616 TEL;WORK;FAX:(253) 541-9915 ADR;WORK:;;#9-552 Church Street;Toronto;ON;M4Y 2E4;Canada LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:#9-552 Church = Street=3D0D=3D0AToronto, ON M4Y 2E4=3D0D=3D0ACanada ADR;HOME:;;;;;;Canada LABEL;HOME:Canada URL:http://www.mitayai.net/ BDAY:19701012 EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:mit@mitayai.net REV:20010224T192609Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0264_01C0D2DD.694BBAF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5: 3: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from musique.teaser.fr (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611BF37B440 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@teaser.fr) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (Cour-N1D44-059.teaser.net [213.91.44.59]) by musique.teaser.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4789E725AB for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:03:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 80B7B33AE; Wed, 2 May 2001 13:58:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java 1.3? References: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 02 May 2001 13:58:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> (Will Andrews's message of "Tue, 1 May 2001 19:56:20 -0500") Message-ID: <86elu8j72o.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) Emacs/21.0.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Will" == Will Andrews writes: Will> Uh, it's right in ports/java/linux-jdk13. This port doesn't work well enough to use it in production... Have you tried it with some big code (Forte, for example) ? See the crashes (or freezes, it depends)? -- Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1292169330 secondes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5: 3:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE7E37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 3F3171360C; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:03:48 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: This is a new one... Message-ID: <20010502080348.A66182@peitho.fxp.org> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Faulhaber , Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe , FreeBSD-Stable References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mit@branchmedia.com on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > Never seen this one before... w/last night's stable, >=20 > root-goku>>make installkernel KERNEL=3DGENERIC > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/usr/obj > COMPILER_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/u= sr/bi > n LIBRARY_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr= /lib > OBJFORMAT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec > PERL5LIB=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 > GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin > GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font > GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac MACHINE=3Di386 make > KERNEL=3Dkernel install > You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. > *** Error code 1 >=20 You appear to have updated your sources to -current. --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjrv96MACgkQObaG4P6BelAJHACghILMa8F43EO5XtcxD/jyM1rv ChEAnjO1w/bwC7qZcJ8rNUR1gX9N7tlB =2KcQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5:32:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629537B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:32:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20168 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 13:32:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f42CX6S17268 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:33:06 GMT (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 12:33:06 +0000 Message-ID: <17266.988806786@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Somewhat off-topic for -stable, but I just noticed this on my -stable machine (cvsup'ed last week): What is the "Trying SRA secure login" prompt that I sometimes get from telnet? What controls when I get that (as opposed to the regular telnet prompt)? Is this something to do with installing the crypto distribution? In particular, does it appear if I have installed the crypto distrib on both source and target of the telnet? > $ telnet localhost > Trying ::1... > Trying 127.0.0.1... > Connected to localhost. > Escape character is '^]'. > Trying SRA secure login: > User (nb): Nick Barnes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5:37:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br (srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br [200.246.248.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE1137B424 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tl1366833@terra.com.br) Received: from webmail5.poa.terra.com.br (webmail5.poa.terra.com.br [200.248.149.112]) by srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13943 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:37:09 -0300 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:37:09 -0300 From: tl1366833@terra.com.br Message-Id: <200105021237.JAA13943@srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Originating-IP: [200.206.162.184] Subject: Reboot MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, It“s possible to disable the CTRL+ALT+DEL in FreeBSD? If is, how can i do? Tks, Richard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5:41:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A040837B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:41:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f42CfZr10135; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 05:41:35 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: tl1366833@terra.com.br Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reboot Message-ID: <20010502054134.M18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200105021237.JAA13943@srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105021237.JAA13943@srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br>; from tl1366833@terra.com.br on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:37:09AM -0300 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * tl1366833@terra.com.br [010502 05:37] wrote: > Hi, > > It“s possible to disable the CTRL+ALT+DEL in FreeBSD? If is, how can i do? It's an option in the LINT config file. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~slumos/on-netbsd.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5:42:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sunu422.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (sunu422.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de [134.147.64.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B40A737B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.stratmann@ruhr-uni-bochum.de) Received: (qmail 2729 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ruhr-uni-bochum.de) (134.147.159.4) by mailhost.rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:42:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3AF00050.2F98ED5B@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 14:40:48 +0200 From: Thomas Stratmann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tl1366833@terra.com.br, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Reboot References: <200105021237.JAA13943@srv3-tl1.tl1.terra.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, have a look at the description of the SC_DISABLE_REBOOT option to the system console / the sc(4) manpage - this should be what you want. Sincerely Thomas Stratmann tl1366833@terra.com.br schrieb: > > Hi, > > It“s possible to disable the CTRL+ALT+DEL in FreeBSD? If is, how can i do? > > Tks, > > Richard. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 5:59:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from castle.dreaming.org (castle.dreaming.org [216.221.214.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB8537B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 05:59:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mit@branchmedia.com) Received: from cr592943c ([216.129.192.238]) by castle.dreaming.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f42CwvP33821; Wed, 2 May 2001 08:58:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mit@branchmedia.com) From: "Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe" To: "Chris Faulhaber" Cc: "FreeBSD-Stable" Subject: RE: This is a new one... Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 08:57:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010502080348.A66182@peitho.fxp.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG crap, you're right. SUPFILE= /usr/share/examples/cvsup/standard-supfile i hate inheriting systems. :-( :-----Original Message----- :From: cdf.lists@fxp.org [mailto:cdf.lists@fxp.org]On Behalf Of Chris :Faulhaber :Sent: May 2, 2001 08:04 AM :To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe :Cc: FreeBSD-Stable :Subject: Re: This is a new one... : : :On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: :> Never seen this one before... w/last night's stable, :> :> root-goku>>make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC :> cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj :> :COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i3 :86/usr/bi :> n :LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib :> OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec :> PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 :> GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin :> GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font :> GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac MACHINE=i386 make :> KERNEL=kernel install :> You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. :> *** Error code 1 :> : :You appear to have updated your sources to -current. : :-- :Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org :-------------------------------------------------------- :FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 6:16:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 26D3537B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 06:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 3293 invoked by uid 0); 2 May 2001 13:16:39 -0000 Received: from p3ee2160c.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO speedy.gsinet) (62.226.22.12) by mail.gmx.net (mp020-rz3) with SMTP; 2 May 2001 13:16:39 -0000 Received: (from sittig@localhost) by speedy.gsinet (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA02295 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:13:57 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:13:57 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: 4.3 Release: PPP problem Message-ID: <20010502111357.A253@speedy.gsinet> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD References: <20010501171056.35010.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010501171056.35010.qmail@web11203.mail.yahoo.com>; from e_chelon@yahoo.com on Tue, May 01, 2001 at 10:10:56AM -0700 Organization: System Defenestrators Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 10:10 -0700, echelon wrote: > > I am writing to report that there are some problems with the > ppp on 4.3 release. My box couldn't complete the login > procedure with my DSL provider. [ ... ] ^^^^^ > Here is the ppp.log (abstract only) Please try to find a mail frontend which doesn't break lines on its own! Logs are better read in their normal form. > May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of 1 > May 1 05:30:01 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier > May 1 05:30:06 host ppp[111]: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! "no carrier" is what you get when your outside NIF isn't up. Recent ppp(8) changes tought the program to work around this and up the interface itself before using it. See ----------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:29:42 +0200 From: Gerhard Sittig To: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/usr.sbin/ppp bundle.c ether.c iface.c iface.h Message-ID: <20010328222942.D20830@speedy.gsinet> ----------------------------------------------------------------- for what could (naturally should?) be done in earlier versions. And AFAIR PPPoE never worked before with a down interface, I assume you don't have exactly the same setup as before ... virtually yours 82D1 9B9C 01DC 4FB4 D7B4 61BE 3F49 4F77 72DE DA76 Gerhard Sittig true | mail -s "get gpg key" Gerhard.Sittig@gmx.net -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 6:38:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cine.homeip.net (modemcable156.38-200-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.200.38.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213CD37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 06:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from didier@cine.homeip.net) Received: from localhost (didier@localhost) by cine.homeip.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f42DcDV42133 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:38:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from didier@cine.homeip.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Didier To: Subject: subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 6:55: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173D837B43C for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13701; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:54:56 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f42E9SJ18955; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:09:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:09:27 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: Eric Jacoboni Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: java 1.3? Message-ID: <20010502170927.B18688@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr References: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <86elu8j72o.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <86elu8j72o.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org>; from jaco@teaser.fr on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 01:58:39PM +0200 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 01:58:39PM +0200, Eric Jacoboni wrote: > >>>>> "Will" == Will Andrews writes: > > Will> Uh, it's right in ports/java/linux-jdk13. > > This port doesn't work well enough to use it in production... Have you > tried it with some big code (Forte, for example) ? See the crashes (or > freezes, it depends)? You mean you have encountered crashes or freezes using the classic VM? If so, everyone on the freebsd-java mailing list would be interested to know more. The hotspot VM of course is a different issue. -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 7:27: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB7E37B43C for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:27:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42EQr057172 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Wed, 2 May 2001 07:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42EQqR08890; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:26:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3AF0192C.1020900@quack.kfu.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:26:52 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010411 X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Barnes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? References: <17266.988806786@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nick Barnes wrote: > Somewhat off-topic for -stable, but I just noticed this on my -stable > machine (cvsup'ed last week): > > What is the "Trying SRA secure login" prompt that I sometimes get from > telnet? SRA is an encrypted authentication technique. It means that your username and password will be DESed with a Diffie-Hellmen derived session key rather than sent over as plaintext. > What controls when I get that (as opposed to the regular > telnet prompt)? 1. You didn't actually disable it (RTFM for the various ways) 2. Both the server and client support it. > Is this something to do with installing the crypto > distribution? Yes. From 4.3 authentication is attempted by default in telnet. > In particular, does it appear if I have installed the > crypto distrib on both source and target of the telnet? Yes. SRA is not as secure as ssh. In particular, it only uses DES, the DH constants are on the small side and it is vulnerable to a monkey-in-the-middle attack. But it is better than nothing (plaintext). Because its encryption is weaker than ssh, it may be legal in some jurisdictions where ssh is not (IANAL, so do your own legal research). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 7:34:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C1C37B424; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Received: from DougBarton.net (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24609; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:34:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Message-ID: <3AF01AE4.5591492D@DougBarton.net> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 07:34:12 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete French Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete French wrote: > > > You run more risk of us deciding to desupport your keyboard because the > > particular shade of beige it's cast in is offensive. > > Ah, so *that* why Acer's stopped working from 4.0 onwards is it ? :-) No, with acer the problem was the color of the hdd activity light. -- I need someone really bad. Are you really bad? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 7:42: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D4C37B423; Wed, 2 May 2001 07:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14uxpB-0009RV-00; Wed, 02 May 2001 15:41:53 +0100 To: DougB@DougBarton.net Subject: Re: "Dangerously Dedicated" setting in 4.3-R install Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3AF01AE4.5591492D@DougBarton.net> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:41:53 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > No, with acer the problem was the color of the hdd activity light. :-) Seriously though, has anybody looked at the Acer problem ? Having binned mine I cant test whether it still exists on 4.3 -pete. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 9:20:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B513937B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f42GK3K27509; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:20:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42GK2557283; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:20:03 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:20:02 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Nick Barnes Cc: Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? In-Reply-To: <17266.988806786@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2 May 2001, Nick Barnes wrote: > In particular, does it appear if I have installed the > crypto distrib on both source and target of the telnet? Yeah - it's part of the crypto package. Worryingly, it also allows you to telnet in (from localhost or externally) as root... totally losing the protection gained by having the wheel group... Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 9:44:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lax.whistle.com (lax.whistle.com [207.76.205.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E4237B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:44:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evan@whistle.com) Received: from whistle.com (lax.whistle.com [207.76.205.133]) by lax.whistle.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42Gi3321467; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evan@whistle.com) Message-ID: <3AF03953.A69B178F@whistle.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 09:44:03 -0700 From: Evan Oldford Organization: Whistle Communications X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson Cc: Nick Barnes , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Nick Barnes wrote: > > In particular, does it appear if I have installed the > > crypto distrib on both source and target of the telnet? > > Yeah - it's part of the crypto package. Worryingly, it also allows you to > telnet in (from localhost or externally) as root... totally losing the > protection gained by having the wheel group... > > Gavin > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Edit your /etc/inetd.conf "-a" option (man telnetd) telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off and Edit your /etc/ttys remove the "secure" entries to your Pseudo terminals -- _______________________________________________________________________ Evan Oldford * Whistle Communications, Inc. * http://www.whistle.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 9:49: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6F437B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f42GmvK05873; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:48:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42GmuX57526; Wed, 2 May 2001 17:48:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 17:48:56 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Evan Oldford Cc: Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? In-Reply-To: <3AF03953.A69B178F@whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2 May 2001, Evan Oldford wrote: > Edit your /etc/inetd.conf "-a" option (man telnetd) > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd > -a off Had done - and after a kill -HUP inetd this still made no difference. This confused me... I eventually recompiled telnetd to use the old version > and Edit your /etc/ttys > remove the "secure" entries to your Pseudo terminals I only have one terminal marked secure - ttyv1. Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 9:51: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB68E37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gshapiro@gshapiro.net) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7) id f42GosGp047007; Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15088.15086.618567.767691@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 09:50:54 -0700 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Gavin Atkinson Cc: Evan Oldford , Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? In-Reply-To: References: <3AF03953.A69B178F@whistle.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.5 (beta0) "alfalfa" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> Edit your /etc/inetd.conf "-a" option (man telnetd) >> telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd >> -a off gavin> Had done - and after a kill -HUP inetd this still made no gavin> difference. This confused me... I eventually recompiled telnetd to gavin> use the old version Using "-a off" won't help. Use: telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra telnet stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 10: 1:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2183237B422; Wed, 2 May 2001 10:01:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f42H1SK08780; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:01:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42H1SJ57608; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:01:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 18:01:28 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Gregory Neil Shapiro Cc: Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? In-Reply-To: <15088.15086.618567.767691@horsey.gshapiro.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 2 May 2001, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > Using "-a off" won't help. Use: > > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra > telnet stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra Ah - that explains it... Though to be honest, I was more worried as to why an out-of-the-box install of 4.3-RELEASE withg crypto installed would allow telnet in as root - and no, my ttys are not marked as secure. Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 11:11:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from musique.teaser.fr (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8696F37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@teaser.fr) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (d45-99.ppp.teaser.fr [213.91.45.99]) by musique.teaser.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7247D7250D for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7452133C9; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:10:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: Subject: Re: java 1.3? References: <20010501195620.M5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <86elu8j72o.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> <00a401c0d32b$40c6aab0$1800a8c0@borges> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 02 May 2001 20:10:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <00a401c0d32b$40c6aab0$1800a8c0@borges> ("The Reverend"'s message of "Wed, 2 May 2001 10:13:48 -0700") Message-ID: <8666fjipu9.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) Emacs/21.0.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "reverend" == The Reverend writes: reverend> I have actually used this on large applications and I've reverend> received absolutely no errors... You're lucky... ;-) reverend> Are you getting the "cannot uninstall alt signal stack error"? No. Only errors about threads and the like... reverend> $JAVA_HOME/jre/lib and editing the jvm.cfg file. Already done... No changes. -- Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1292191665 secondes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 11:34:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dargo.talarian.com (dargo.talarian.com [207.5.33.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59CD37B43F; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@talarian.com) Received: from moya.talarian.com (moya.talarian.com [10.4.10.8]) by dargo.talarian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E194122B10; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beast.talarian.com (beast.talarian.com [10.4.10.6]) by moya.talarian.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681BC4E; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from talarian.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beast.talarian.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42IYp794859; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@talarian.com) Message-ID: <3AF0534B.FBD68B81@talarian.com> Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 11:34:51 -0700 From: Nick Sayer Reply-To: nsayer@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, markm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > > > Using "-a off" won't help. Use: > > > > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra > > telnet stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd -a off -X sra > > Ah - that explains it... Though to be honest, I was more worried as to why > an out-of-the-box install of 4.3-RELEASE withg crypto installed would > allow telnet in as root - and no, my ttys are not marked as secure. It's a bug. No one has reported it before. Now that I'm aware of it, I'll see what I can do. Once upon a time, I worked out PAM support for SRA. Perhaps this might be a good reason to revisit that (Mark?). I am also surprised that '-a off' is insufficient for telnetd. I will see about looking into that too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 11:44: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web1002.mail.yahoo.com (web1002.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D21F37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 11:43:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedovaty@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 5266 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2001 18:43:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20010502184356.5265.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.128.82] by web1002.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 May 2001 11:43:56 PDT Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 11:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jano Lukac Subject: tracing a crash To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, My freebsd 4.3-release (cvsupped to stable a few days ago) box stopped responding to everything except ping yesterday. I was too lazy to attach a monitor, so I simply gave it the three-fingered salute, figuring all would go well and I could see anything strange happened in the logs later. Well.. it didn't and I had to attach a monitor. Seems fsck had a lot of problems on my /usr slice/partition, particularily with the src and obj directories. I'm looking now through the logs and haven't found anything out of the ordinary. Other than re-reading the logs and waiting for this to happen again (hopefully it won't), what else can I do to see what might have happened? jano ps i'm on the list, no need to cc me in reply. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 12:30:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE7E37B424; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:29:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from medusa.kfu.com (medusa.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:0:290:27ff:fed1:576b]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f42JTf058525 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Wed, 2 May 2001 12:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: (from nsayer@localhost) by medusa.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f42JTfs08425; Wed, 2 May 2001 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) From: nsayer@quack.kfu.com Message-Id: <200105021929.f42JTfs08425@medusa.kfu.com> To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RFD: SRA telnet PAM patch Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The problem noted was that telnetd was allowing root logins. This patch doesn'tt directly address that, but by making SRA use PAM the hope is that it will be easier to have policy changes take place with PAM rather than all over the place. Suggestions on either how to imrpove this patch or what should be done to bar root logins are welcome. Index: src/etc/pam.conf =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/pam.conf,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -r1.13 pam.conf --- src/etc/pam.conf 2001/04/06 05:52:53 1.13 +++ src/etc/pam.conf 2001/05/02 19:26:35 @@ -86,6 +86,10 @@ # "csshd" is for challenge-based authentication with sshd (TIS auth, etc.) csshd auth required pam_skey.so +# SRA telnet. Non-SRA telnet uses 'login'. +telnetd auth required pam_unix.so try_first_pass +telnetd account required pam_unix.so + # Don't break startx xserver auth required pam_permit.so Index: crypto/telnet/libtelnet/sra.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/crypto/telnet/libtelnet/sra.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.2.1 diff -u -r1.1.2.1 sra.c --- crypto/telnet/libtelnet/sra.c 2000/09/20 02:32:05 1.1.2.1 +++ crypto/telnet/libtelnet/sra.c 2001/05/02 19:26:36 @@ -13,6 +13,10 @@ #include #endif +#if !defined(NOPAM) +#include +#endif + #include "auth.h" #include "misc.h" #include "encrypt.h" @@ -447,6 +451,7 @@ return (&save); } +#ifdef NOPAM char *crypt(); int check_user(name, pass) @@ -474,7 +479,135 @@ } return(0); } +#else + +/* + * The following is stolen from ftpd, which stole it from the imap-uw + * PAM module and login.c. It is needed because we can't really + * "converse" with the user, having already gone to the trouble of + * getting their username and password through an encrypted channel. + */ + +#define COPY_STRING(s) (s ? strdup(s):NULL) + +struct cred_t { + const char *uname; + const char *pass; +}; +typedef struct cred_t cred_t; + +auth_conv(int num_msg, const struct pam_message **msg, + struct pam_response **resp, void *appdata) +{ + int i; + cred_t *cred = (cred_t *) appdata; + struct pam_response *reply = + malloc(sizeof(struct pam_response) * num_msg); + + for (i = 0; i < num_msg; i++) { + switch (msg[i]->msg_style) { + case PAM_PROMPT_ECHO_ON: /* assume want user name */ + reply[i].resp_retcode = PAM_SUCCESS; + reply[i].resp = COPY_STRING(cred->uname); + /* PAM frees resp. */ + break; + case PAM_PROMPT_ECHO_OFF: /* assume want password */ + reply[i].resp_retcode = PAM_SUCCESS; + reply[i].resp = COPY_STRING(cred->pass); + /* PAM frees resp. */ + break; + case PAM_TEXT_INFO: + case PAM_ERROR_MSG: + reply[i].resp_retcode = PAM_SUCCESS; + reply[i].resp = NULL; + break; + default: /* unknown message style */ + free(reply); + return PAM_CONV_ERR; + } + } + + *resp = reply; + return PAM_SUCCESS; +} + +/* + * The PAM version as a side effect may put a new username in *user. + */ +int check_user(const char *name, const char *pass) +{ + pam_handle_t *pamh = NULL; + const char *tmpl_user; + const void *item; + int rval; + int e; + cred_t auth_cred = { name, pass }; + struct pam_conv conv = { &auth_conv, &auth_cred }; + + e = pam_start("telnetd", name, &conv, &pamh); + if (e != PAM_SUCCESS) { + syslog(LOG_ERR, "pam_start: %s", pam_strerror(pamh, e)); + return 0; + } + +#if 0 /* Where can we find this value? */ + e = pam_set_item(pamh, PAM_RHOST, remotehost); + if (e != PAM_SUCCESS) { + syslog(LOG_ERR, "pam_set_item(PAM_RHOST): %s", + pam_strerror(pamh, e)); + return 0; + } +#endif + + e = pam_authenticate(pamh, 0); + switch (e) { + case PAM_SUCCESS: + /* + * With PAM we support the concept of a "template" + * user. The user enters a login name which is + * authenticated by PAM, usually via a remote service + * such as RADIUS or TACACS+. If authentication + * succeeds, a different but related "template" name + * is used for setting the credentials, shell, and + * home directory. The name the user enters need only + * exist on the remote authentication server, but the + * template name must be present in the local password + * database. + * + * This is supported by two various mechanisms in the + * individual modules. However, from the application's + * point of view, the template user is always passed + * back as a changed value of the PAM_USER item. + */ + if ((e = pam_get_item(pamh, PAM_USER, &item)) == + PAM_SUCCESS) { + strcpy(user, (const char *) item); + } else + syslog(LOG_ERR, "Couldn't get PAM_USER: %s", + pam_strerror(pamh, e)); + rval = 1; + break; + + case PAM_AUTH_ERR: + case PAM_USER_UNKNOWN: + case PAM_MAXTRIES: + rval = 0; + break; + + default: + syslog(LOG_ERR, "auth_pam: %s", pam_strerror(pamh, e)); + rval = 0; + break; + } + + if ((e = pam_end(pamh, e)) != PAM_SUCCESS) { + syslog(LOG_ERR, "pam_end: %s", pam_strerror(pamh, e)); + rval = 0; + } + return rval; +} +#endif #endif Index: secure/src/secure/libexec/telnetd/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/secure/libexec/telnetd/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -r1.22 Makefile --- secure/src/secure/libexec/telnetd/Makefile 2001/03/28 12:08:19 1.22 +++ secure/src/secure/libexec/telnetd/Makefile 2001/05/02 19:26:37 @@ -15,7 +15,7 @@ DPADD= ${LIBUTIL} ${LIBTERMCAP} ${LIBTELNET} ${LIBCRYPTO} ${LIBMP} \ ${LIBCRYPT} -LDADD= -lutil -ltermcap ${LIBTELNET} -lcrypto -lcrypt -lmp +LDADD= -lutil -ltermcap ${LIBTELNET} -lcrypto -lcrypt -lmp -lpam .include Index: secure/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.24 diff -u -r1.24 Makefile --- secure/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/Makefile 2001/03/28 12:08:19 1.24 +++ secure/src/secure/usr.bin/telnet/Makefile 2001/05/02 19:26:37 @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ DPADD= ${LIBTERMCAP} ${LIBTELNET} ${LIBCRYPTO} ${LIBCRYPT} ${LIBMP} DPADD+= ${LIBIPSEC} LDADD= -ltermcap ${LIBTELNET} -lcrypto -lcrypt -lmp -LDADD+= -lipsec +LDADD+= -lipsec -lpam .include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 14:14:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA7C37B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:14:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f42LETo95078; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105022114.f42LETo95078@earth.backplane.com> To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error References: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> <20010502110520.B340@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :... :> dangerously dedicated partitions. It's what prompted me to fix the :> disklabel code to allow boot blocks to be installed on slices. :> Unfortunately, the only way I could fix my particular problem was :> to get rid of my dangerously dedicated partition which meant blowing :> away the hard drive and repartitioning and relabeling it. : :If disk is `dangerously dedicated', sector 0:0:1 is occupied with boot1, :which does not use master PT area (0x1BE-0x1FF) and even contains :a simple fake valid PT. Did you ever try to set there something syntactically :valid for your BIOS and enough to allow loading of specific "bootloader"? :If you did, what was the problem? Yah, I tried that... didn't work. What did work was blowing away (zeroing) the beginning of the disk and then re-partitioning it from scratch using a real DOS disk partition and boot0 (using fdisk -BI), and installing boot1 and boot2 on the FreeBSD slice with disklabel's new ability to install boot sectors on slices, using 'disklabel -w -r -B da0s1 auto'. That worked. I incorporated the sequence into the disklabel manual page near the end of the EXAMPLES section. :P.S. On our FreeBSD hosts bunch we almost proved practically that the :only safe partitioning is to create DOS slices (with below-cyl-1024 :bootable one) with LBA geometry specified to fdisk. Any another approach :leads to something strange effects: e.g. BTX cannot load /boot/loader :and loads kernel directly, with natural `nlist failed'. But we never :tried to change fake PT on dedicated disk directly. : :/netch I haven't had to do that. Yet. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 14:21:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-26.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA80937B440 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1652F678A8; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:21:41 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: This is a new one... Message-ID: <20010502142141.A85851@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mit@branchmedia.com on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > Never seen this one before... w/last night's stable, >=20 > root-goku>>make installkernel KERNEL=3DGENERIC > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=3D/usr/obj > COMPILER_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/u= sr/bi > n LIBRARY_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr= /lib > OBJFORMAT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec > PERL5LIB=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 > GROFF_BIN_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin > GROFF_FONT_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font > GROFF_TMAC_PATH=3D/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac MACHINE=3Di386 make > KERNEL=3Dkernel install > You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. > *** Error code 1 Welcome to FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT, you may experience some turbulence on this flight :-) Kris --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68HpkWry0BWjoQKURArQhAJ9Usbc6tWv8pSv7w/Wn6E46rvYmdwCfanf8 Y2afTlAOUwlmabI10IvOcFI= =GwW/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 14:30:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awww.jeah.net (awww.jeah.net [216.111.239.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF9037B440 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:30:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Received: from localhost (jslivko@localhost) by awww.jeah.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f42LTuc39221; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:29:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jslivko@jeah.net) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 16:29:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe , FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: This is a new one... In-Reply-To: <20010502142141.A85851@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20010502162947.J39195-100000@awww.jeah.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hehehehehehehehe ;) ----------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan M. Slivko | e-mail: jslivko@jeah.net Sys. Admin, DataSyrgeINET | http://www.datasyrge.net Tech. Support, SimpHost | http://www.simphost.com IRC Oper, AsylumNet IRC | http://www.asylum-net.org ---------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD -- The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Wed, 2 May 2001, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 07:56:36AM -0400, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote: > > Never seen this one before... w/last night's stable, > > > > root-goku>>make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC > > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj > > COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bi > > n LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib > > OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec > > PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 > > GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin > > GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/groff_font > > GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/share/tmac MACHINE=i386 make > > KERNEL=kernel install > > You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. > > *** Error code 1 > > Welcome to FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT, you may experience some turbulence on > this flight :-) > > Kris > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 15: 0:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01E237B423; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:59:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00163; Wed, 2 May 2001 14:52:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAABQaira; Wed May 2 14:52:24 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25967; Wed, 2 May 2001 15:00:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200105022200.PAA25967@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: PATCH: partial fix for broken "make release"... To: current@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:00:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The "make release" stuff is broken, at least in 4.3, and possibly before that. There are several obviously broken things: o The libssh stuff is not installed, and it is not built during a "make release"; I don't know why that is; the workaround is to wait for it to bomb out, and then manuall copy /usr/obj/usr/src/secure/lib/libssh/lib*.a into your ${CHROOTDIR}/usr/obj, and do a "make rerelease" to restart things (without this, the pam_ssh module build fails). o The files jade_1.2.1-13.diff.gz and pdf_sec.ps are not available from any of the listed mirros in the "ports" hierarchy, so they can not be correctly installed, and a "doc" build can not complete. The workaround is to let the above fail, and then: cd ${CHROOT}/usr/ports/distfiles GOTO=ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/Mirrors/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles" fetch ${GOTO}/jade_1.2.1-13.diff.gc fetch ${GOTO}/pdf_sec.ps Then restart again... but this time: make rerelease RELEASENOUPDATE=Y ... o If you set KERNCONF to a non-default value ("GENERIC" is the default value), then sysinstall can't find it to install it during the installation process; the attached patch works for RELENG_4, and would have to be reflected into /usr/src/release AND /usr/src/usr.sbin/sysinstall for -current. Can someone at least apply the patch to RELENG_4??? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/FreeBSD/src/release/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.536.2.41 diff -u -r1.536.2.41 Makefile --- Makefile 2001/04/14 22:29:49 1.536.2.41 +++ Makefile 2001/05/02 22:04:14 @@ -268,6 +268,7 @@ echo "#!/bin/sh" > ${CHROOTDIR}/mk echo "set -ex" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk echo "_RELTARGET=\$${1:-doRELEASE}" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk + echo "export KERNCONF=${KERNCONF}" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk echo "export CFLAGS='-O -pipe'" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk echo "export NO_X=YES" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk echo "export DISTRIBUTIONS=\"${DISTRIBUTIONS}\"" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk Index: sysinstall/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/FreeBSD/src/release/sysinstall/Attic/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.92.2.10 diff -u -r1.92.2.10 Makefile --- sysinstall/Makefile 2001/03/12 12:10:28 1.92.2.10 +++ sysinstall/Makefile 2001/05/02 22:06:52 @@ -17,7 +17,7 @@ system.c tape.c tcpip.c termcap.c ufs.c usb.c user.c variable.c \ wizard.c keymap.h -CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I${.OBJDIR} +CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I${.OBJDIR} -DKERNCONF=\"${KERNCONF}\" .if ${MACHINE} == "pc98" CFLAGS+= -DPC98 .endif Index: sysinstall/install.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/cvs/FreeBSD/src/release/sysinstall/Attic/install.c,v retrieving revision 1.268.2.22 diff -u -r1.268.2.22 install.c --- sysinstall/install.c 2001/03/12 22:50:04 1.268.2.22 +++ sysinstall/install.c 2001/05/02 22:20:06 @@ -750,7 +750,11 @@ if (RunningAsInit) { /* Fix up kernel first */ if (!file_readable("/kernel")) { +#ifdef KERNCONF + char *generic_kernel = "/kernel." KERNCONF; +#else char *generic_kernel = "/kernel.GENERIC"; +#endif if (file_readable(generic_kernel)) { if (vsystem("cp -p %s /kernel", generic_kernel)) { msgConfirm("Unable to copy /kernel into place!"); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 16:40:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2361437B424; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:40:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id QAA03523; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:40:42 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda03521; Wed May 2 16:40:33 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f42NeS624704; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdJ24702; Wed May 2 16:40:02 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f42Ne1o11881; Wed, 2 May 2001 16:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105022340.f42Ne1o11881@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdz11869; Wed May 2 16:39:53 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Gregory Neil Shapiro Cc: Gavin Atkinson , Evan Oldford , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 May 2001 09:50:54 PDT." <15088.15086.618567.767691@horsey.gshapiro.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 16:39:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <15088.15086.618567.767691@horsey.gshapiro.net>, Gregory Neil Shapir o writes: > >> Edit your /etc/inetd.conf "-a" option (man telnetd) > >> telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd > >> -a off > > gavin> Had done - and after a kill -HUP inetd this still made no > gavin> difference. This confused me... I eventually recompiled telnetd to > gavin> use the old version > > Using "-a off" won't help. Use: > > telnet stream tcp nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd > -a off -X sra > telnet stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/libexec/telnetd telnetd > -a off -X sra I've got a patch that will disable authentication if -a off is only specified. Specifying -X sra as well as -a off seems counterintuitive. Would anyone be interested in my submitting the patch as a PR, or is -a off -X sra good enough? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 18: 9:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65AD37B424 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:09:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@siteplus.net) Received: from veager.siteplus.net ([65.14.122.116]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010503010616.MQHQ14836.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@veager.siteplus.net>; Wed, 2 May 2001 18:06:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 21:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Weeks To: Jano Lukac Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: tracing a crash In-Reply-To: <20010502184356.5265.qmail@web1002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jano, If you aren't seeing anything extraordinary in the logs, this is an indication that the crash was caused by a w/r error. You may have a problem with your disk drive, controller card, cable, etc. Unfortunately, when your machine quits writing to the disk, there will be no log entries. You will only see the errors from the console. -- Jim Weeks On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jano Lukac wrote: > Hi, > > My freebsd 4.3-release (cvsupped to stable a few days ago) box stopped > responding to everything except ping yesterday. I was too lazy to attach a > monitor, so I simply gave it the three-fingered salute, figuring all would go > well and I could see anything strange happened in the logs later. Well.. it > didn't and I had to attach a monitor. Seems fsck had a lot of problems on my > /usr slice/partition, particularily with the src and obj directories. I'm > looking now through the logs and haven't found anything out of the ordinary. > > Other than re-reading the logs and waiting for this to happen again (hopefully > it won't), what else can I do to see what might have happened? > > jano > > ps i'm on the list, no need to cc me in reply. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 20:11:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from joliet.groenquist.com (cx707588-b.santab1.ca.home.com [65.5.150.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B7D37B440 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:11:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by joliet.groenquist.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f433BLN00585; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Groener Reply-To: Matt Groener To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: Matt Groener , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The errors I received were the classic errors which denote that there is a negotiation mismatch between the card and the switch. I had the card set to auto-negotiate (the default for the fxp driver); the switch was hard-set to full-duplex 100Mb. The errors were "FCE" errors, and the symptom was rediculously poor performance (20KB/sec). Once I set both card and switch port to full-duplex 100Mb, the errors disappeared and I was able to get "normal" performance (which for me is around 5-6MB/sec. average). -matt On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Tue, 1 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > > > I am currently running -STABLE with fxp card with no problems. > > I am in the middle of a multiple hundreds of GB transfer (280GB) > > with no problems so far. My only change was to force the "media" > > and "mediaopt" functionality in ifconfig so that my Cisco switch > > would stop erroring out (maybe your problem?) > > What kind of "erroring out" were/are you seeing? > > > > > > My configs: (none of the unimportant data is real, sorry) > > # uname -a > > FreeBSD my.server.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Mon Apr 30 > > 12:37:46 PDT 2001 root@my.server.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KERNCONF i386 > > > > # dmesg | grep fxp (this is a dual port card) > > fxp0: port 0x9000-0x901f mem > > 0xf5800000-0xf58fffff,0xfc000000-0xfc000fff irq 11 at device 4.0 on pci2 > > fxp1: port 0x9020-0x903f mem > > 0xf5900000-0xf59fffff,0xfc001000-0xfc001fff irq 9 at device 5.0 on pci2 > > > > # ifconfig (only the fxp* ports) > > fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 > > inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 0xfffff800 broadcast 192.168.15.255 > > ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) > > media: 100baseTX status: active > > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > > fxp1: flags=8802 mtu 1500 > > ether FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF (* deleted for paranoia *) > > media: autoselect status: no carrier > > supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX > > 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP > > > > # /etc/rc.conf config line (wrapped) > > ifconfig_fxp0="inet 192.168.9.81 netmask 255.255.248.0 media 100baseTX \ > > mediaopt full-duplex" > > > > -matt > > > > > > On Wed, 2 May 2001, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > > > > > Morning all... > > > > > > Earlier today, I posted asking about potential causes for a hang > > > of a machine running -stable ...techies got a chance to get down to the > > > office this evening, and it turns out that the fxp driver was "wedged", > > > with a simple 'ifconfig down/up' rectifyin gthe situation ... > > > > > > Does anyone know of there were/are any problems with the driver > > > from an April 14th (4.3-RC) kernel/world? I'm cvsup'ng latest -STABLE > > > kernel and world, and will be upgrading, but just wondering if anyone > > > knows of any problems ... > > > > > > Basically, when they did a 'ping' from the machine, the error was > > > something like 'No Buffer Space' (exact error we aren't sure of, as > > > nothing in messages, and it scrolled off before we thought to write it > > > down ;( ) ... > > > > > > Maybe a parameter I have to increase? Or a DOS attack that > > > flooded the NIC? > > > > > > Thanks ... > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > > > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > > > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy > Systems Administrator @ hub.org > primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 20:18: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [209.16.107.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A44937B423 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:18:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f433I3k40525 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 May 2001 23:18:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 23:18:03 -0400 From: Jamie Norwood To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Arplookup Message-ID: <20010502231803.A40482@mushhaven.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, I am at wits end. I am getting: May 2 11:04:49 hostname /kernel: arplookup x.x.x.x failed: host is not on local network x.x.x.x is, of course, a real ip, and it is not, in fact, on the network. The problem is, I have no idea what this IP is or why my box cares so much about it. Yet this message is flooding my logs. My machine is colocated, so I can't easily tell what this machine is. I can't find it in any of the config files on the machine. Can anyone offer adive how to track this? I want to make sure it isn't my machine before I bother my colo provider about it. They are a great crew, and helpful, but busy. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 20:42:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (cb58709-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.17.241.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B155537B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 20:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@flugsvamp.com) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f433gdm77598; Wed, 2 May 2001 22:42:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 22:42:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Lemon Message-Id: <200105030342.f433gdm77598@prism.flugsvamp.com> To: matt@groenquist.com, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fxp driver in -stable ... X-Newsgroups: local.mail.freebsd-stable In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article you write: >The errors I received were the classic errors which denote that there is a >negotiation mismatch between the card and the switch. I had the card set to >auto-negotiate (the default for the fxp driver); the switch was hard-set to >full-duplex 100Mb. The errors were "FCE" errors, and the symptom was >rediculously poor performance (20KB/sec). Once I set both card and switch >port to full-duplex 100Mb, the errors disappeared and I was able to get >"normal" performance (which for me is around 5-6MB/sec. average). Autonegotiate generally only works if *both* sides are participating. If one side is wired down, it typically means that it is not advertising what the device is capable of, and the other end will get it wrong unless it is also wired down as well. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 2 21:58:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wraith.shadowfarm.com (cr998773-a.etob1.on.wave.home.com [24.43.180.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542FD37B422 for ; Wed, 2 May 2001 21:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@shadowfarm.com) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by wraith.shadowfarm.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4353pM28321 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 01:03:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@shadowfarm.com) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 01:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Jackson X-X-Sender: To: Subject: make installworld failing Message-ID: <20010503005142.P17961-100000@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have installed a fresh FBSD 4.3-Release, rebuilt the kernel, installed only the cvsup-bin package, and then do a CVSup to -stable. The make buildworld and make kernel go as per normal, but during the make installworld, it craps out at (recreating from memory as I just blew the box away to redo it) ==> usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/font/devascii Making R exiting error 127 (snipped the rest of it as it backs out) When I cd into the dir and do a make install, it installs fine, but not during the full installworld, which doesn't solve anything. Has anyone seen this error, or provide some insight? thanks, Brett - ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Brett Jackson www.shadowfarm.com In the land of the dark, the Ship of the Sun is driven by the Grateful Dead. -- Egyptian Book of the Dead To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 2:45: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from eve.framatome.fr (eve.framatome.fr [195.101.50.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055F537B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 02:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ubc@paris.framatome.fr) Received: from localhost (ubc@localhost) by eve.framatome.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f439ite82103; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:44:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ubc@eve.framatome.fr) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:44:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Claude Buisson To: Cc: Subject: FYI: GPL Linux driver for Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, As I have not seen this info on a FreeBSD list, I think it could be useful to know that there exists an Open Source (GPL) Linux driver for the Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB modem being developed outside Alcatel (no kernel patch nor special library needed). See: http://benoit.papillault.free.fr/speedtouch/ The current code may be obtained via the "Intallation" page. Hoping this may help, Claude Buisson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 3: 7:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clientmail.realtime.co.uk (simian.realtime.co.uk [194.205.134.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CAD237B423; Thu, 3 May 2001 03:07:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waynep@zaphod.realtime.co.uk) Received: from zaphod.realtime.co.uk ([194.205.134.208]) by clientmail.realtime.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vG0m-0007Q8-01; Thu, 03 May 2001 11:07:04 +0100 Received: from waynep by zaphod.realtime.co.uk with local (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vG0i-000L6I-00; Thu, 03 May 2001 11:07:00 +0100 From: Wayne Pascoe To: Claude Buisson Cc: , Subject: Re: FYI: GPL Linux driver for Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB References: Reply-To: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk Date: 03 May 2001 11:07:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Claude Buisson writes: > Hello, > > As I have not seen this info on a FreeBSD list, I think it could be > useful to know that there exists an Open Source (GPL) Linux driver > for the Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB modem being developed outside Alcatel > (no kernel patch nor special library needed). Actually, your information is incorrect on several fronts. For starters only a portion of the driver is open source under the GPL licence. The majority ( and most of the important bits) are in a closed source module. This driver also (from what I've read so far) only works under the 2.4 kernel series. This is not an open sourced driver and the myth that it is, should not be perpetuated. If it were true open source, there would be a driver for FreeBSD by now, because we would have had a starting point. Companies that release these kinds of drivers for GNU/Linux and then claim to be heroes of the revolution just annoy me. At least Alcatel didn't brag about it. They just did it to get people off their back :) -- - Wayne Pascoe E-mail: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk Phone : +44 (0) 20 7544 4668 Mobile: +44 (0) 788 431 1675 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 3:38:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15C4737B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 03:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 3 May 2001 11:38:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:38:28 +0100 From: David Malone To: Jamie Norwood Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Arplookup Message-ID: <20010503113828.A18347@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20010502231803.A40482@mushhaven.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010502231803.A40482@mushhaven.net>; from mistwolf@mushhaven.net on Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:18:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 11:18:03PM -0400, Jamie Norwood wrote: > OK, I am at wits end. I am getting: > > May 2 11:04:49 hostname /kernel: arplookup x.x.x.x failed: host is not on > local network > > x.x.x.x is, of course, a real ip, and it is not, in fact, on the network. > The problem is, I have no idea what this IP is or why my box cares so > much about it. Yet this message is flooding my logs. I think this message means is that according to the netmask set on your interfaces the machine doesn't fall into the local network addresses for any interface. If you are seeing the address alot that probably means that your machine is trying to route traffic through this machine (maybe because of routing updates?). You could use netstat -nr and ifconfig -a to investigate fruther. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 4: 2: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [209.16.107.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356BB37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:02:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f43B25B43232 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 May 2001 07:02:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:02:05 -0400 From: Jamie Norwood To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Arplookup Message-ID: <20010503070205.B43143@mushhaven.net> References: <20010502231803.A40482@mushhaven.net> <20010503113828.A18347@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010503113828.A18347@walton.maths.tcd.ie>; from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:38:28AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:38:28AM +0100, David Malone wrote: > I think this message means is that according to the netmask set > on your interfaces the machine doesn't fall into the local network > addresses for any interface. If you are seeing the address alot that > probably means that your machine is trying to route traffic through > this machine (maybe because of routing updates?). It shouldn't, though. My machine is on 209.16.107.11, it's in a /24, and the gateway is .1. The error IP is on 209.16.96.1. The IP isn't in my arp tables, and route -n shows: diarmadhi:/home/mistwolf> route -n get 209.16.96.1 route to: 209.16.96.1 destination: 209.16.96.1 gateway: 209.16.107.1 interface: fxp0 flags: recvpipe sendpipe ssthresh rtt,msec rttvar hopcount mtu expire 0 0 0 0 0 0 1500 0 This IP, AFAIK, has nothing to do with my machine. :/ Jamie > > You could use netstat -nr and ifconfig -a to investigate fruther. > > David. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 4:12:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from eve.framatome.fr (eve.framatome.fr [195.101.50.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA5F37B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ubc@paris.framatome.fr) Received: from localhost (ubc@localhost) by eve.framatome.fr (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f43BCd682369; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:12:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ubc@eve.framatome.fr) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:12:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Claude Buisson To: Wayne Pascoe Cc: , Subject: Re: FYI: GPL Linux driver for Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 3 May 2001, Wayne Pascoe wrote: > Claude Buisson writes: > > > Hello, > > > > As I have not seen this info on a FreeBSD list, I think it could be > > useful to know that there exists an Open Source (GPL) Linux driver > > for the Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB modem being developed outside Alcatel > > (no kernel patch nor special library needed). > > Actually, your information is incorrect on several fronts. For > starters only a portion of the driver is open source under the GPL > licence. The majority ( and most of the important bits) are in a > closed source module. This driver also (from what I've read so far) > only works under the 2.4 kernel series. > As I understand the code: This software needs the Alcatel drivers (Windows OR Linux) to extract the microcode. This software runs also on 2.2.17 kernels > > This is not an open sourced driver and the myth that it is, should not > be perpetuated. If it were true open source, there would be a driver > for FreeBSD by now, because we would have had a starting point. > > Companies that release these kinds of drivers for GNU/Linux and then > claim to be heroes of the revolution just annoy me. At least Alcatel > didn't brag about it. They just did it to get people off their back :) > > As I found only pointers to the Alcatel code in the lists, I thought that it could help for FreeBSD work to have another example (without kernel patches and/or proprietary libraries). This is not made by a "company" and nobody is claiming to be a hero. > -- > - Wayne Pascoe > E-mail: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk > Phone : +44 (0) 20 7544 4668 > Mobile: +44 (0) 788 431 1675 > Claude Buisson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 4:16:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clientmail.realtime.co.uk (simian.realtime.co.uk [194.205.134.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE6E37B424; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:16:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from waynep@zaphod.realtime.co.uk) Received: from zaphod.realtime.co.uk ([194.205.134.208]) by clientmail.realtime.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vH62-0007e7-01; Thu, 03 May 2001 12:16:34 +0100 Received: from waynep by zaphod.realtime.co.uk with local (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vH5y-000L9S-00; Thu, 03 May 2001 12:16:30 +0100 From: Wayne Pascoe To: Claude Buisson Cc: Wayne Pascoe , , Subject: Re: FYI: GPL Linux driver for Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB References: Reply-To: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk Date: 03 May 2001 12:16:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Claude Buisson writes: > This software needs the Alcatel drivers (Windows OR Linux) to extract > the microcode. > > This software runs also on 2.2.17 kernels That I was not aware of. My bad. > > Companies that release these kinds of drivers for GNU/Linux and then > > claim to be heroes of the revolution just annoy me. At least Alcatel > > didn't brag about it. They just did it to get people off their back :) > As I found only pointers to the Alcatel code in the lists, I thought that > it could help for FreeBSD work to have another example (without kernel > patches and/or proprietary libraries). > > This is not made by a "company" and nobody is claiming to be a hero. Actually, it very much is made by a 'company'. Last time I checked, Alcatel was a _massive_ telecoms company. They are the ones I am referring to in my rant, not the original poster. -- - Wayne Pascoe E-mail: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk Phone : +44 (0) 20 7544 4668 Mobile: +44 (0) 788 431 1675 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 4:25:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4563D37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:25:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05173; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:25:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200105031125.EAA05173@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Arplookup In-Reply-To: <20010503070205.B43143@mushhaven.net> from Jamie Norwood at "May 3, 2001 07:02:05 am" To: mistwolf@mushhaven.net (Jamie Norwood) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 04:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Run a tcpdump on your fxp0 interface, looking for any and all packets from 209.16.96.1: tcpdump -n -i fxp0 host 209.16.96.1 You'll probably see a bunch of link level broadcast packets, probably even arp whohas or arp iam. Capture this and send it to your co-location ISP and ask them why your seeing traffic from this box on your port, you should not be, they have a missconfigured switch or router more than likely. Or they are trying to run multiple subnets on one physical network segment. You could also do a funky route command: route add 209.16.96.1 -interface fxp0 then see if you get an arp entry and the messages go away. If that works your ISP is sharing physical network segments, which in todays world is a really bad idea. > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 11:38:28AM +0100, David Malone wrote: > > I think this message means is that according to the netmask set > > on your interfaces the machine doesn't fall into the local network > > addresses for any interface. If you are seeing the address alot that > > probably means that your machine is trying to route traffic through > > this machine (maybe because of routing updates?). > > It shouldn't, though. My machine is on 209.16.107.11, it's in a /24, > and the gateway is .1. The error IP is on 209.16.96.1. > > The IP isn't in my arp tables, and route -n shows: > > diarmadhi:/home/mistwolf> route -n get 209.16.96.1 > route to: 209.16.96.1 > destination: 209.16.96.1 > gateway: 209.16.107.1 > interface: fxp0 > flags: > recvpipe sendpipe ssthresh rtt,msec rttvar hopcount mtu expire > 0 0 0 0 0 0 1500 0 > > This IP, AFAIK, has nothing to do with my machine. :/ > > Jamie > > > > > You could use netstat -nr and ifconfig -a to investigate fruther. > > > > David. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 4:40:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC1737B423; Thu, 3 May 2001 04:40:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) Received: (from richard@localhost) by rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00225; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:40:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:40:24 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200105031140.MAA00225@rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> From: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: FYI: GPL Linux driver for Alcatel ADSL SpeedTouch USB To: Claude Buisson , Wayne Pascoe In-Reply-To: Claude Buisson's message of Thu, 3 May 2001 13:12:39 +0200 (CEST) Organization: just say no Cc: , Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I understand it, there is a small GPLed kernel module, and a binary-only user program that (among other things) loads the firmware. A similar kernel module could be written for FreeBSD. I had thought it might be possible to run the user program under Linux emulation, but it uses the Linux usbdevfs interface which we don't emulate. (Anyone know how hard it would be to emulate it?) I exchanged mail with Johan.Verrept@advalvas.be who I think wrote the code, and he indicated he might be able to help with a FreeBSD version of the program. I haven't had any time to follow this up. I am not at all enthusiastic about such not-really-free software, but in the UK you have no choice about what ADSL modem to use (it's installed by the phone company) and unless you want to pay £100 / month the Alcatel Speedtouch USB is all you can get. -- Richard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 6:21:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from not.yet.registered (pc102-car11.cable.ntl.com [62.252.56.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D422D37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 06:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from lfarr (psyduck.bka.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.10.201]) by not.yet.registered (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f43DLoC06284 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 14:21:50 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Subject: ahc problem with todays world. Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 13:21:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have just installed 4.3S from around 6am GMT, over an older 4.2S. I have: ahc0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xf9eff000-0xf9efffff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci2 aic7890/91: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs Which during boot gives me: May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da1: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (5.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled May 3 14:01:42 q-bert /kernel: da0: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) May 3 14:01:42 q-bert ntpd[136]: ntpd 4.0.99b Thu May 3 07:23:21 BST 2001 (1) But from an older build: Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da0: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da0: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da1: 80.000MB/s transfers (40.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled Mar 29 15:13:03 doubledragon /kernel: da1: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) da0 has dropped to 10.000MB/s for some reason. No physical changes have been made, it's a remote machine. Any ideas anyone? Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 8:11:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E9737B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se) Received: from esealnt461 (esealnt461.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.251.61]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with SMTP id f43FBWN03199 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:11:32 +0200 (MEST) Received: FROM esealnt746.al.sw.ericsson.se BY esealnt461 ; Thu May 03 17:11:38 2001 +0200 Received: by ESEALNT746.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2SVMW2DG>; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:11:32 +0200 Message-ID: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373BF@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> From: "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:11:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, About two weeks ago I went from a CD install of 4.2 to a cvsup'd 4.3-RC with source to (hopefully) get FreeBSD to prefer/default to IPv6 addresses first instead of IPv4. Most was solved with the upgrade, but I have one lingering issue. If I put a IPv6 address in my /etc/resolv.conf, it is ignored, and "jumps" over to the second (IPv4) entry. Can anyone explain this to me ? Here's the basics: # uname -a FreeBSD lab3v4.eln-research.nl 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #0: Fri Apr 13 10:43:44 CEST 2001 root@lab3v4.eln-research.nl:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 # cat /etc/resolv.conf domain eln-research.nl nameserver 2001:610:1408:201:a00:20ff:fe79:2214 nameserver 195.169.102.73 nameserver 195.169.102.195 Thanx for any help, Tim Ehrhart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 8:50:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peace.mahoroba.org (peace.calm.imasy.or.jp [202.227.26.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4257B37B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 08:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:RVInRNLlQ7Tlcro11CYb5pY/0xofy7/75iHG+u4OwQ5IIpxGHU3OyZeW5hwbsmQY@localhost [::1]) (authenticated as ume with CRAM-MD5) by peace.mahoroba.org (8.11.3/8.11.3/peace) with ESMTP/inet6 id f43Fnv130868; Fri, 4 May 2001 00:49:57 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 00:49:53 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010504.004953.07643223.ume@mahoroba.org> To: Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373BF@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> References: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373BF@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> X-Mailer: xcite1.38> Mew version 1.95b119 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Thu, 3 May 2001 17:11:31 +0200 >>>>> "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" said: Tim.Ehrhart> Most was solved with the upgrade, but I have one lingering issue. If I put a IPv6 address in my /etc/resolv.conf, Tim.Ehrhart> it is ignored, and "jumps" over to the second (IPv4) entry. Can anyone explain this to me ? How did you know that? FreeBSD version of nslookup and dig are not support IPv6 transport and simply ignore nameserver line with IPv6 address. Does your nameserver provide service via IPv6? BIND9 supports IPv6 transport but you need to add listen-on-ipv6 directive into named.conf. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 9:13: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E23637B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from neil.long@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk) Received: from ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.14.71]) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14vLis-0002td-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 May 2001 17:12:58 +0100 Received: from neil by ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14vLir-00006I-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 03 May 2001 17:12:57 +0100 From: "Neil Long" Message-Id: <1010503171257.ZM388@ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:12:57 +0100 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: man pages giving problems?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I very recently cvsup'd from RC3 to stable May 3 12:08 (GMT+1) and noticed after the build and new kernel came up that a simple man man gave a blank screen (mostly blank) zapping the catman versions and capturing stderr I got for man catman Formatting page, please wait...mdoc error: end-macro (.em) respecification is not allowed. (#31) Should this have been `.Em ...'? User Abort. Done. Anyone else seeing this or know if it is already fixed? regards Neil -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dr Neil J Long, Computing Services, University of Oxford 13 Banbury Road, Oxford, OX2 6NN, UK Tel:+44 1865 273232 Fax:+44 1865 273275 EMail: Neil.Long@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk PGP: ID 0xE88EF71F OxCERT: oxcert@ox.ac.uk PGP: ID 0x9FF898D5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 9:24:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E8337B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f43GNqO02198; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:23:52 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:23:52 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Neil Long Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man pages giving problems?? Message-ID: <20010503192352.A1828@sunbay.com> Mail-Followup-To: Neil Long , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <1010503171257.ZM388@ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1010503171257.ZM388@ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from neil.long@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0100, Neil Long wrote: > Hi > > I very recently cvsup'd from RC3 to stable May 3 12:08 (GMT+1) and > noticed after the build and new kernel came up that a simple > > man man > > gave a blank screen (mostly blank) > > zapping the catman versions and capturing stderr I got for man catman > > Formatting page, please wait...mdoc error: end-macro (.em) > respecification is not allowed. (#31) > Should this have been `.Em ...'? > User Abort. > Done. > > > Anyone else seeing this or know if it is already fixed? > You missed my "** HEADS UP ** Groff 1.17 imported" posting to -stable. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 11: 2: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br (srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br [200.177.250.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E241237B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from floripa@zoing.net) Received: from srv8-poa.poa.terra.com.br (srv8-poa.poa.terra.com.br [200.176.2.148]) by srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11736; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:01:53 -0300 Received: from br.zoing.net (cm-net-C8B02AC8.poa.terra.com.br [200.176.42.200]) by srv8-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f43I1q201762; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:01:52 -0300 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <036f01c0d1f7$b1df42a0$931576d8@inethouston.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:01:47 -0300 (BRT) Reply-To: floripa@zoing.net From: Antonio Carlos Venancio Junior To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , stable@freeBSD.org Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David, I have this card up and running since I got it (I was using FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE)! ;) Some output: ---------- cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 25 2001 13:26:54 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xb800 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) ---------- On 01-May-01 David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > Same on the current machine I'm on, but the one right next to me with the > same onboard chip doesn't work. So I know its not something I'm doing wrong > because I've done it a few times and it works on this one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Uhring" > To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" > ; > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 > > >> On Monday 30 April 2001 11:05 pm, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: >> > Yes, and after I do, snd0 doesn't exist still. dsp however does, isn't >> > dsp what pcm uses? I'm loading snd_es137x >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Dave Uhring" >> > To: "David W. Chapman Jr." ; "Michael J. Turner" >> > ; >> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:01 PM >> > Subject: Re: SoundBlaster PCI 128 >> > >> > > On Monday 30 April 2001 22:34, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: >> > > > I have the same problem. I have 2 identical systems with onboard >> > > > ct5880 chips(sb128). Both are 4.3-stable, one works correctly, the >> > > > other does not. On the system that does not work I get this upon >> > > > bootup >> > > > >> > > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd43f irq 10 at device 14.0 on >> > > > pci0 pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) >> > > > device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 >> > > > >> > > > cat /dev/sndstat >> > > > cat: /dev/sndstat: Device not configured >> >> # mixer 100:100 >> # cat /kernel > /dev/dsp >> >> Honestly, I simply put the line >> >> device pcm >> >> into my KERNCONF file and don't even know how to load kernel modules. My >> system even has an on-the-motherboard via-686a sound chip and it works >> perfectly - well, almost. >> >> Looking at your dmesg output again, it seems that you have to insert >> another module for the ac97 codec. Your best bet, build a kernel which >> supports sound. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 11:22:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DFB37B440 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f43IMLR21721 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:22:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:22:21 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: feedback please: "freebsd-production" Message-ID: <20010503112220.G18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Reply-To: Alfred Perlstein Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please reply privately to me, Alfred Perlstein . What I would like to do is start a service where binary upgrades are provided to _critical_ systems such as the kernel and services like ftp and ssh. The idea is that one should ideally be able to keep a FreeBSD box in production without having to upgrade it for several years because of updates provided from this service. Although CVSup and rebuilding kernels can be a fun thing to do, it sure gets unwieldly and unfun when it has to be performed remotely or suddenly because a security advisory. It can be especially painful when it needs to be done on large clusters of machines. Updates will be as simple as uploading a update.tgz and running pkg_add (package add) on it. There will be a mailing list to annouce updates as they become available. There will also be instructions, tips and tricks for updating clusters of machines all at the same time. While I know a lot of you would like to see this come about as a free service, I do not have the resources to do it at zero cost. What I would like is serious feedback in private mail from parties interested in this service. What I need to know is: 1) How much you would be willing to pay for this service. Flat rate? Per machine? Extra for source code access? 2) Suggestions for the ideal way this would work for your company. 3) If anything extra would be required for you to consider the service. I plan on basing this service off the 4.3 release of FreeBSD. Again, please reply privately to me, Alfred Perlstein . Thank you, -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 11:33:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-27.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9CA37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 296F067B85; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 11:33:45 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Neil Long Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: man pages giving problems?? Message-ID: <20010503113345.C7903@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <1010503171257.ZM388@ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1010503171257.ZM388@ratbert.oucs.ox.ac.uk>; from neil.long@computing-services.oxford.ac.uk on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0100, Neil Long wrote: > Hi >=20 > I very recently cvsup'd from RC3 to stable May 3 12:08 (GMT+1) and > noticed after the build and new kernel came up that a simple >=20 > man man >=20 > gave a blank screen (mostly blank) I suspect you have incompletely rebuilt your sources. Are you sure you're updating the entire source collection and aren't, say, leaving out the contrib/ or share/ collections? Kris --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68aSIWry0BWjoQKURAqU/AJ9WnUn6oCz/cXpYTKl3cUAv9wAHBgCg/odl nLaqY2Qb8++XP4fr0jald94= =dEHK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 11:44:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.intermedia.net (mail3.intermedia.net [206.40.48.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CEA37B505 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tonyg@crazynickels.com) Received: from mail.crazynickels.com (unverified [64.78.44.128]) by mail3.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.4) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 11:37:28 -0700 Message-ID: Content-type: text/plain Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:42:31 -0700 From: tonyg@crazynickels.com Subject: Web Development To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org X-mailer: CrazyNickels.Com Email Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Hi, I do web development and database work out of Las Vegas. I was wondering if you needed any development done. I have been doing web work for 6 years. I know Cold Fusion, ASP, Oracle, SQL and Flash. Tony Grijalva 702.951.3051 Here's some the sites I've worked on: http://www.crazynickels.com - Complete site. Turned out in 3 days. http://www.woodtrim.com - Complete sites along with www.brushed aluminum.com as a content manager, shopping cart, FAQ, Referral Program. http://www.SchoolCity.com - Pre-IPO Company I did the Complete site. I can send you a complete document about this site. http://www.codernet.com - My own site with a bunch of guys here. I did the graphics. http://www.antennas.com - The graphics were given to me in PhotoShop format. I have to make them web ready and add functions. http://www.momentisgroup.com - Backend Cold Fusion work. http://www.isecinc.com - Their print company in Arizona sent me the project and related functions. 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Thank You for your time and consideration, Tony Grijalva 702.951.3051 tonyg@codernet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 12: 1:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C521D37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13643 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:01:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF1AB14.872CBA2A@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:40 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper Reply-To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings defaults be re-thought? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After finally getting Amanda up and running on my system, I noticed that my cron jobs for amdump would crash with an error in SHMGET if X was running when the amdump job was scheduled. I have also been plagued by IMLIB SHM memory allocation errors. I have just discovered that, by increasing the defaults for all the SysV settings listed in LINT, I have been able to make all those errors disappear; and Amanda will now run to completion even with X running. I increased all these settings by about a factor of x8--remembering that in OS/2 half of all physical memory was made available for shared memory operations--giving me 32 megs of shared memory. In light of the fairly common use of X, should: 1) a commented out section in generic be included with suggested settings that would work better with X, Amanda, and the like; 2) a separate XGENERIC config file optimized for X users; or 3) modify GENERIC to have these increased settings by default (nice for people who run X with GENERIC kernels). Thoughts? jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 12:13:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B223B37B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f43JDsu01446 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com( 207.76.205.64) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma001442; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:45 -0700 Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f43JDjw72049 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 12:13:45 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200105031913.f43JDjw72049@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings defaults be re-thought? In-Reply-To: <3AF1AB14.872CBA2A@webmail.bmi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:40 -0700 >From: John Merryweather Cooper >After finally getting Amanda up and running on my system, I noticed that >my cron jobs for amdump would crash with an error in SHMGET if X was >running when the amdump job was scheduled. I have also been plagued by >IMLIB SHM memory allocation errors. I have just discovered that, by >increasing the defaults for all the SysV settings listed in LINT, I have >been able to make all those errors disappear; and Amanda will now run to >completion even with X running. I increased all these settings by about >a factor of x8--remembering that in OS/2 half of all physical memory was >made available for shared memory operations--giving me 32 megs of shared >memory. Hmmm.... >... >Thoughts? I find this somewhat surprising, since I've been backing up not only the servers here, but also the important desktops (the ones running FreeBSD) on engineers' desks here for around 2.5 years using amanda. And the engineers generally run X... but I've never encountered that problem. (Before the shared memory stuff was included in GENERIC, I included it manually in the kernels when I set up their machines. I just left the default settings alone.) I suppose it may depend on the particular X workload; for example, I use tvtwm as a window manager, while I understand that some folks prefer the appearance or behavior of a window manager that is a bit more resource- intensive. I do tend to kick "maxusers" up a bit; I have it set to 128 on my laptop. I haven't checked to see if that affects such things as shared memory availability.... (I also tend to be fairly generous with swap space: I prefer to avoid swapping, but if the system really needs to swap, I much prefer letting it do so to preventing that.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 13: 0:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-1.catskill.net (ns.catskill.net [205.232.250.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF89937B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyrdwulf@catskill.net) Received: from aikane.aikane.net (151.m69.one.catskill.net [209.177.43.151]) by mail-1.catskill.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f43K0eb16710 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:00:41 -0400 Message-Id: <200105032000.f43K0eb16710@mail-1.catskill.net> From: "eric k. wolven" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: Subject: ymessenger segfaulting Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 06:45:19 +0106 (EDT) X-Mailer: XCmail 1.3 - with PGP support, PGP engine version 0.5 (FreeBSD) X-Mailerorigin: http://www.fsai.fh-trier.de/~schmitzj/Xclasses/XCmail/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello: Relatively new to FreeBSD. I noticed that since I "upgraded" (make world, etc) to 4.3 (as of 4/29), ymessenger (0.93) is segfaulting. I've cvsuped on 4/30 & 5/1&2. No change. Have "deleted pkg" and also "make clean" a number of times manually and with "pib" to no avail. rm'ed ymessenger from distfiles. No luck. Any clues what I'm doing wrong? TIA, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 13: 1:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3753B37B43C for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:01:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14868; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:01:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF1B90F.30DA4861@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:01:19 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper Reply-To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings defaults be re-thought? References: <200105031913.f43JDjw72049@pau-amma.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Wolfskill wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:40 -0700 > >From: John Merryweather Cooper > > >After finally getting Amanda up and running on my system, I noticed that > >my cron jobs for amdump would crash with an error in SHMGET if X was > >running when the amdump job was scheduled. I have also been plagued by > >IMLIB SHM memory allocation errors. I have just discovered that, by > >increasing the defaults for all the SysV settings listed in LINT, I have > >been able to make all those errors disappear; and Amanda will now run to > >completion even with X running. I increased all these settings by about > >a factor of x8--remembering that in OS/2 half of all physical memory was > >made available for shared memory operations--giving me 32 megs of shared > >memory. > > Hmmm.... > > >... > > >Thoughts? > > I find this somewhat surprising, since I've been backing up not only the > servers here, but also the important desktops (the ones running FreeBSD) > on engineers' desks here for around 2.5 years using amanda. And the > engineers generally run X... but I've never encountered that problem. > (Before the shared memory stuff was included in GENERIC, I included it > manually in the kernels when I set up their machines. I just left the > default settings alone.) > Even with just GNOME+Enlightenment running, stderr is full of IMLIB error messages unless I alter the SysV parameters. Xsreensaver also triggers what look like shared memory errors with some of the modules. Netscape (a known memory-hog in any configuration) also generates these errors. They generally aren't fatal (everything seems to work o.k.), but I'm glad they're gone now . . . > I suppose it may depend on the particular X workload; for example, I use > tvtwm as a window manager, while I understand that some folks prefer the > appearance or behavior of a window manager that is a bit more resource- > intensive. I'm using GNOME+Enlightenment with a smattering of KDE tools (I like KNode) . . . > I do tend to kick "maxusers" up a bit; I have it set to 128 on my > laptop. I haven't checked to see if that affects such things as shared > memory availability.... (I also tend to be fairly generous with swap > space: I prefer to avoid swapping, but if the system really needs to > swap, I much prefer letting it do so to preventing that.) Yes, I've also punched up MAXUSERS to 128, but that didn't fix things . . . so then I tried the SysV settings, they worked . . . . YMMV. jmc > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 13: 8:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [208.237.135.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE56F37B43C for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr7.exu.ericsson.se (mr7u3.ericy.com [208.237.135.122]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f43K8R810593; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr7.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f43K8GP19392; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f43K8EG25288; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:08:14 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQDZMJVC; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:08:07 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Cc: David Wolfskill Message-ID: <3AF1BAA3.3E6D51BB@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 16:08:03 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings defaults be re-thought? References: <200105031913.f43JDjw72049@pau-amma.whistle.com> <3AF1B90F.30DA4861@webmail.bmi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If I may comment on my desktop experience... I have been running E+gnome, with the usual netscape/xemacs/mailer combination for a good while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. Never had problems with SHM. I stopped using E because, well, it's not made for a 166Mhz. :) [Now if that darn hub.freebsd.org rejects my mail again...] A. John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > > David Wolfskill wrote: > > > > >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:40 -0700 > > >From: John Merryweather Cooper > > > > >After finally getting Amanda up and running on my system, I noticed that > > >my cron jobs for amdump would crash with an error in SHMGET if X was > > >running when the amdump job was scheduled. I have also been plagued by > > >IMLIB SHM memory allocation errors. I have just discovered that, by > > >increasing the defaults for all the SysV settings listed in LINT, I have > > >been able to make all those errors disappear; and Amanda will now run to > > >completion even with X running. I increased all these settings by about > > >a factor of x8--remembering that in OS/2 half of all physical memory was > > >made available for shared memory operations--giving me 32 megs of shared > > >memory. > > > > Hmmm.... > > > > >... > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > I find this somewhat surprising, since I've been backing up not only the > > servers here, but also the important desktops (the ones running FreeBSD) > > on engineers' desks here for around 2.5 years using amanda. And the > > engineers generally run X... but I've never encountered that problem. > > (Before the shared memory stuff was included in GENERIC, I included it > > manually in the kernels when I set up their machines. I just left the > > default settings alone.) > > > Even with just GNOME+Enlightenment running, stderr is full of IMLIB > error messages unless I alter the SysV parameters. Xsreensaver also > triggers what look like shared memory errors with some of the modules. > Netscape (a known memory-hog in any configuration) also generates these > errors. They generally aren't fatal (everything seems to work o.k.), > but I'm glad they're gone now . . . > > > I suppose it may depend on the particular X workload; for example, I use > > tvtwm as a window manager, while I understand that some folks prefer the > > appearance or behavior of a window manager that is a bit more resource- > > intensive. > > I'm using GNOME+Enlightenment with a smattering of KDE tools (I like > KNode) . . . > > > I do tend to kick "maxusers" up a bit; I have it set to 128 on my > > laptop. I haven't checked to see if that affects such things as shared > > memory availability.... (I also tend to be fairly generous with swap > > space: I prefer to avoid swapping, but if the system really needs to > > swap, I much prefer letting it do so to preventing that.) > > Yes, I've also punched up MAXUSERS to 128, but that didn't fix things . > . . so then I tried the SysV settings, they worked . . . . YMMV. > > jmc > > > Cheers, > > david > > -- > > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > > Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 13:10:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C58837B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f43K9ns99134; Thu, 3 May 2001 14:09:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200105032009.f43K9ns99134@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: "Lawrence Farr" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ahc problem with todays world. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 13:21:52 BST." Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:09:49 -0600 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Hi, > >I have just installed 4.3S from around 6am GMT, over an older 4.2S. I have: Send me a verbose dmesg from your system. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 13:21:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286C637B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15310; Thu, 3 May 2001 13:21:16 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF1BDC1.BD4C1CE8@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:21:21 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper Reply-To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" Cc: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings defaults be re-thought? References: <200105031913.f43JDjw72049@pau-amma.whistle.com> <3AF1B90F.30DA4861@webmail.bmi.net> <3AF1BAA3.3E6D51BB@lmc.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" wrote: > > If I may comment on my desktop experience... I have been running > E+gnome, with the usual netscape/xemacs/mailer combination for a good > while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. > > Never had problems with SHM. > > I stopped using E because, well, it's not made for a 166Mhz. :) > That is indeed true . . . but I have 700Mhz and it works pretty well. What resolution and color depth were you driving it at? I'm using 1280x1024 with 32-bit color. How much video adapter memory ? I have 32 megs. The amount of memory/shared memory that something like IMLIB has to allocate is probably also considerablly affected by resolution, color-depth, and amount of video RAM that may need to be swapped or transfered. jmc > [Now if that darn hub.freebsd.org rejects my mail again...] > > A. > > John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > > > > David Wolfskill wrote: > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 12:01:40 -0700 > > > >From: John Merryweather Cooper > > > > > > >After finally getting Amanda up and running on my system, I noticed that > > > >my cron jobs for amdump would crash with an error in SHMGET if X was > > > >running when the amdump job was scheduled. I have also been plagued by > > > >IMLIB SHM memory allocation errors. I have just discovered that, by > > > >increasing the defaults for all the SysV settings listed in LINT, I have > > > >been able to make all those errors disappear; and Amanda will now run to > > > >completion even with X running. I increased all these settings by about > > > >a factor of x8--remembering that in OS/2 half of all physical memory was > > > >made available for shared memory operations--giving me 32 megs of shared > > > >memory. > > > > > > Hmmm.... > > > > > > >... > > > > > > >Thoughts? > > > > > > I find this somewhat surprising, since I've been backing up not only the > > > servers here, but also the important desktops (the ones running FreeBSD) > > > on engineers' desks here for around 2.5 years using amanda. And the > > > engineers generally run X... but I've never encountered that problem. > > > (Before the shared memory stuff was included in GENERIC, I included it > > > manually in the kernels when I set up their machines. I just left the > > > default settings alone.) > > > > > Even with just GNOME+Enlightenment running, stderr is full of IMLIB > > error messages unless I alter the SysV parameters. Xsreensaver also > > triggers what look like shared memory errors with some of the modules. > > Netscape (a known memory-hog in any configuration) also generates these > > errors. They generally aren't fatal (everything seems to work o.k.), > > but I'm glad they're gone now . . . > > > > > I suppose it may depend on the particular X workload; for example, I use > > > tvtwm as a window manager, while I understand that some folks prefer the > > > appearance or behavior of a window manager that is a bit more resource- > > > intensive. > > > > I'm using GNOME+Enlightenment with a smattering of KDE tools (I like > > KNode) . . . > > > > > I do tend to kick "maxusers" up a bit; I have it set to 128 on my > > > laptop. I haven't checked to see if that affects such things as shared > > > memory availability.... (I also tend to be fairly generous with swap > > > space: I prefer to avoid swapping, but if the system really needs to > > > swap, I much prefer letting it do so to preventing that.) > > > > Yes, I've also punched up MAXUSERS to 128, but that didn't fix things . > > . . so then I tried the SysV settings, they worked . . . . YMMV. > > > > jmc > > > > > Cheers, > > > david > > > -- > > > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > > > Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 14:48:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rif.kconline.com. (rif.kconline.com [216.241.132.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E50137B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 14:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rif@kconline.com) Received: from dune (dune.desert.kconline.com [216.241.133.5]) by rif.kconline.com. (8.11.3/8.11.1) with SMTP id f43LmI026924; Thu, 3 May 2001 16:48:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rif@kconline.com) Message-ID: <00b601c0d41a$8f06ce40$0585f1d8@desert.kconline.com> From: "Jim Riffle" To: , "Gavin Atkinson" Cc: , References: <3AF0534B.FBD68B81@talarian.com> Subject: Re: telnet sometimes gets "SRA secure login" prompt?? Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:46:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ah - that explains it... Though to be honest, I was more worried as to why > > an out-of-the-box install of 4.3-RELEASE withg crypto installed would > > allow telnet in as root - and no, my ttys are not marked as secure. > > It's a bug. No one has reported it before. Now that I'm aware of it, I'll see what I can do. A quick way to disable root logins from remote is to edit the /etc/login.access file. SRA will still accept the user, but the login is denied. Unfortunately, with the acceptance, you know if you have the correct root password. -jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15: 2: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from css-1.cs.iastate.edu (css-1.cs.iastate.edu [129.186.3.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99CA37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rahermon@iastate.edu) Received: from swnts (ramon.cs.iastate.edu [129.186.3.81]) by css-1.cs.iastate.edu (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA22007 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:01:54 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "Ramon A Hermon" To: Subject: Mem Use Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 17:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, as you might notice I am learning. Just installed FreeBSD 4.3 and made my box stable. Last world was build this morning. I modified my kernel as follow from GENERIC: ######################################## machine i386 cpu I586_CPU ident ***** maxusers 100 options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST #restrict emission of TCP RST options DDB options NTFS options USER_LDT #allow user-level control of i386 ldt device isa device eisa device pci # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering device adv0 at isa? device adw device bt0 at isa? device aha0 at isa? device aic0 at isa? # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem device dpt # DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! options DPT_LOST_IRQ # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? options VESA # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash #Video Capture device smbus device iicbus device iicbb device bktr #Sound device pcm device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 pseudo-device speaker # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=200 options SC_DISABLE_REBOOT # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device ppi # Parallel port interface device # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support # ISA Ethernet NICs. device ep # The probe order of these is presently determined by i386/isa/isa_compat.c. device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0 device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 device sn0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocate. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device uscanner # Scanners ####################################################### So why put all this? Because I think something is terribly wrong. The box has 256MB of RAM but as I look at the memory utilization all the RAM is used and swap may go to 1%(total swap 515MB) Even after closing the apps my mem does not come down. No errors are reported :( Is that a memory leak? Oh, using KDE 2.1.1. Nothing major running just normal use, like browsing the www or using GTV Mpeg player. Even on console mode, since i dont boot to KDE, a simple ls command will be noticeably slow. Perhaps, this is normal ! I have been doing some reading, searching newsgroups and asking friends. But I haven’t been looking in the right places since I still have no idea of the problem. I am not asking for anybody to do the work for me but simply to point me in the right direction. All the junk I included was for information and maybe someone will see what is not obvious to me. Also, I have installed the OS like 5 times, build world just as many and hack the kernel another 8. Thanks for listening, sorry about the whining, just a little tired. Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Thu May 3 01:09:29 CDT 2001 root@******.iastate.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/******* Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 501139856 Hz CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (501.14-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x58c Stepping = 12 Features=0x8021bf AMD Features=0x80000800 real memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) config> di sn0 config> di lnc0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 No such device: fe0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di ed0 No such device: ed0 Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. config> di cs0 config> q avail memory = 257515520 (251480K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03a6000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03a609c. VESA: v3.0, 16320k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc0335b42 (1000022) VESA: STB Systems, Inc K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers) md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 10 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 10 at device 7.3 on pci0 usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered bktr0: mem 0xe4800000-0xe4800fff irq 3 at device 9.0 on pci0 iicbb0: on bti2c0 iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only smbus0: on bti2c0 bktr0: Detected a DPL34-1@-@0 at 0x84 bktr0: Intel Smart Video III/VideoLogic Captivator PCI, tuner, dpl3518a dolby. pcm0: port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 4 at device 10.0 on pci0 dpt0: port 0x500-0x51f irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 dpt0: DPT PM2024A/9X FW Rev. 07CK, 1 channel, 64 CCBs pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 ep0: <3Com 3C509-TPO EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 5 on isa0 ep0: Ethernet address ************* atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 8250 sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: ppbus0: SCP,VLINK lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ad0: 19574MB [39770/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 ad1: 9671MB [19650/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 afd0: 120MB [963/8/32] at ata1-slave using PIO2 Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad1s1a cd0 at dpt0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present pid 312 (artsd), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15: 8:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC77637B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f43M8IU10412; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:18 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 15:08:18 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Ramon A Hermon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use Message-ID: <20010503150818.A8914@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu>; from rahermon@iastate.edu on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:01:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:01:11PM -0500, Ramon A Hermon wrote: > So why put all this? Because I think something is terribly wrong. > The box has 256MB of RAM but as I look at the memory utilization > all the RAM is used and swap may go to 1%(total swap 515MB) Even after > closing the apps my mem does not come down. No errors are reported :( > Is that a memory leak? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM Free memory is wasted possiable cache so freebsd doesn't randomly throw things out of memory. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE68dbRXY6L6fI4GtQRAunBAJ9ehVXsEiqzWeI9DzHatEYXpCGosgCgxd04 7hLm8TqtkabgRPn00aYBMmw= =ggJx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15:21:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mars.siad.net (mail.siad.net [207.105.242.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C218B37B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@siad.net) Received: from siad.net (mars.siad.net [207.105.242.58]) by mars.siad.net (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f43MLSp16480 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@siad.net) Message-ID: <3AF1D9E7.D867BB9F@siad.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 15:21:28 -0700 From: "Don L. Belcher" Organization: SIAD, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fxp setup on mini pci Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------04ACBFD5E4DAAEEE6F7A8CDB" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------04ACBFD5E4DAAEEE6F7A8CDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need to define PCI_ENABLE_IO_MODES to get fxp to work. but when I add the line "COPTFLAGS+= -DPCI_ENABLE_IO_MODES" to make.conf file I can't complete compilation of kernel but when line is remove kernel compiles O.K. This is the only line in my make.conf file. --------------04ACBFD5E4DAAEEE6F7A8CDB Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="don.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Don L. Belcher Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="don.vcf" begin:vcard n:Belcher;Don tel;work:(818)400-1379 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:SIAD, Inc. adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:don@siad.net x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Don Belcher end:vcard --------------04ACBFD5E4DAAEEE6F7A8CDB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15:22:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mr200.netcologne.de (mr200.netcologne.de [194.8.194.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ED337B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pherman@frenchfries.net) Received: from husten.security.at12.de (dial-213-168-89-230.netcologne.de [213.168.89.230]) by mr200.netcologne.de (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AER32713; Fri, 4 May 2001 00:22:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.security.at12.de [127.0.0.1]) by husten.security.at12.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f43MM1F90373 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 00:22:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pherman@frenchfries.net) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 00:22:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul Herman To: Subject: sbsize in /etc/login.conf behaving strangely Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello stable people, For the life of me I can't find out why login_getcapnum() is getting called on sbsize rather than login_getcapsize(), even though lib/libutil/login_class.c:58 has: { "sbsize", login_getcapsize, RLIMIT_SBSIZE }, I noticed this after a 3.5 -> 4.3 upgrade, when user's FTP sessions were failing, because they had a limit of 8 bytes, rather than 8MB. I've confirmed this on two separate systems, one 4.3-RC and 4-STABLE. I'm at a loss, any ideas? cf. conf/19750, which might have to be reopened. -Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15:24:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.communityconnect.com (mail.communityconnect.com [209.10.169.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8873237B43C for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:23:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marius@mail.communityconnect.com) Received: from amavis by mail.communityconnect.com with scanned-ok (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vRVj-00011f-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 03 May 2001 18:23:47 -0400 Received: from [206.28.215.90] (helo=dt-9-45.hq.communityconnect.com) by mail.communityconnect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14vRVg-0000yf-00; Thu, 03 May 2001 18:23:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Marius X-Sender: marius@utterlux.hq.communitconnect.com To: Ramon A Hermon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mem Use In-Reply-To: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As stated before, the whole matter with memory usage is normal. As seen in my output for top: >last pid: 83829; load averages: 1.02, 1.03, 1.01 up 19+23:09:05 18:17:08 >70 processes: 4 running, 66 sleeping >CPU states: 14.7% user, 56.2% nice, 9.7% system, 0.0% interrupt, 19.4% idle >Mem: 109M Active, 138M Inact, 38M Wired, 2752K Cache, 48M Buf, 87M Free >Swap: 100M Total, 1224K Used, 99M Free, 1% Inuse *snip* So that shouldn't bother you at all. But then, is 'ls' really slow? I am sure my cpu is much slower then yours, but a simple command like 'ls' returns faster then I can finnsh pressing the enter key.=20 -Marius M. Rex =20 On Thu, 3 May 2001, Ramon A Hermon wrote: > Ok, as you might notice I am learning. Just installed FreeBSD 4.3 > and made my box stable. Last world was build this morning. > I modified my kernel as follow from GENERIC: >=20 > ######################################## > machine=09i386 > cpu=09=09I586_CPU > ident=09 =09***** > maxusers =09100 >=20 > options =09MATH_EMULATE=09#Support for x87 emulation > options =09INET=09=09=09#InterNETworking > options =09INET6=09=09=09#IPv6 communications protocols > options =09FFS=09=09=09#Berkeley Fast Filesystem > options =09FFS_ROOT=09=09#FFS usable as root device [keep this!] > options =09SOFTUPDATES=09=09#Enable FFS soft updates support > options =09MFS=09=09=09#Memory Filesystem > options =09MD_ROOT=09=09#MD is a potential root device > options =09MSDOSFS=09=09#MSDOS Filesystem > options =09CD9660=09=09#ISO 9660 Filesystem > options =09CD9660_ROOT=09=09#CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required > options =09PROCFS=09=09#Process filesystem > options =09COMPAT_43=09=09#Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] > options =09SCSI_DELAY=3D15000=09#Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI > options =09UCONSOLE=09=09#Allow users to grab the console > options =09USERCONFIG=09=09#boot -c editor > options =09VISUAL_USERCONFIG=09#visual boot -c editor > options =09KTRACE=09=09#ktrace(1) support > options =09SYSVSHM=09=09#SYSV-style shared memory > options =09SYSVMSG=09=09#SYSV-style message queues > options =09SYSVSEM=09=09#SYSV-style semaphores > options =09P1003_1B=09=09#Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions > options =09_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING > options=09ICMP_BANDLIM=09#Rate limit bad replies > options =09KBD_INSTALL_CDEV=09# install a CDEV entry in /dev > options=09TCP_DROP_SYNFIN=09#drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN > options=09TCP_RESTRICT_RST=09#restrict emission of TCP RST > options=09DDB > options=09NTFS > options =09USER_LDT=09=09#allow user-level control of i386 ldt >=20 > device=09=09isa > device=09=09eisa > device=09=09pci >=20 > # ATA and ATAPI devices > device=09=09ata0=09at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 > device=09=09ata1=09at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 > device=09=09ata > device=09=09atadisk=09=09# ATA disk drives > device=09=09atapicd=09=09# ATAPI CDROM drives > device=09=09atapifd=09=09# ATAPI floppy drives > device=09=09atapist=09=09# ATAPI tape drives > options =09ATA_STATIC_ID=09=09#Static device numbering >=20 >=20 > device=09=09adv0=09at isa? > device=09=09adw > device=09=09bt0=09at isa? > device=09=09aha0=09at isa? > device=09=09aic0=09at isa? >=20 >=20 > # SCSI peripherals > device=09=09scbus=09=09# SCSI bus (required) > device=09=09da=09=09# Direct Access (disks) > device=09=09sa=09=09# Sequential Access (tape etc) > device=09=09cd=09=09# CD > device=09=09pass=09=09# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) >=20 > # RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem > device=09=09dpt=09=09# DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! > options=09=09DPT_LOST_IRQ >=20 >=20 > # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse > device=09=09atkbdc0=09at isa? port IO_KBD > device=09=09atkbd0=09at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 > device=09=09psm0=09=09at atkbdc? irq 12 >=20 > device=09=09vga0=09=09at isa? > options=09=09VESA >=20 > # splash screen/screen saver > pseudo-device=09splash >=20 > #Video Capture > device=09=09smbus > device=09=09iicbus > device=09=09iicbb > device=09=09bktr >=20 > #Sound > device=09=09pcm > device=09=09sbc0=09at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 >=20 > pseudo-device=09speaker >=20 >=20 > # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console > device=09=09sc0=09at isa? flags 0x100 > options=09=09SC_HISTORY_SIZE=3D200 > options=09=09SC_DISABLE_REBOOT >=20 >=20 >=20 > # Floating point support - do not disable. > device=09=09npx0=09at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 >=20 > # Serial (COM) ports > device=09=09sio0=09at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 > device=09=09sio1=09at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 >=20 >=20 > # Parallel port > device=09=09ppc0=09at isa? irq 7 > device=09=09ppbus=09=09# Parallel port bus (required) > device=09=09lpt=09=09# Printer > device=09=09ppi=09=09# Parallel port interface device >=20 >=20 >=20 > # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. > # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NI= Cs! > device=09=09miibus=09=09# MII bus support >=20 > # ISA Ethernet NICs. > device=09=09ep >=20 > # The probe order of these is presently determined by i386/isa/isa_compat= =2Ec. > device=09=09ie0=09at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 > #device=09=09le0=09at isa? port 0x300 irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 > device=09=09lnc0=09at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0 > device=09=09cs0=09at isa? port 0x300 > device=09=09sn0=09at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 >=20 > # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocate. > pseudo-device=09loop=09=09# Network loopback > pseudo-device=09ether=09=09# Ethernet support > pseudo-device=09tun=09=09# Packet tunnel. > pseudo-device=09pty=09=09# Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) > pseudo-device=09md=09=09# Memory "disks" > pseudo-device=09gif=094=09# IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling > pseudo-device=09faith=091=09# IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) >=20 > # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. > # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! > pseudo-device=09bpf=09=09#Berkeley packet filter >=20 > # USB support > device=09=09uhci=09=09# UHCI PCI->USB interface > device=09=09ohci=09=09# OHCI PCI->USB interface > device=09=09usb=09=09# USB Bus (required) > device=09=09ugen=09=09# Generic > device=09=09uhid=09=09# "Human Interface Devices" > device=09=09ukbd=09=09# Keyboard > device=09=09ulpt=09=09# Printer > device=09=09umass=09=09# Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da > device=09=09ums=09=09# Mouse > device=09=09uscanner=09# Scanners >=20 > ####################################################### >=20 >=20 > So why put all this? Because I think something is terribly wrong. > The box has 256MB of RAM but as I look at the memory utilization > all the RAM is used and swap may go to 1%(total swap 515MB) Even after > closing the apps my mem does not come down. No errors are reported :( > Is that a memory leak? > Oh, using KDE 2.1.1. > Nothing major running just normal use, like browsing > the www or using GTV Mpeg player. Even on console mode, since i dont boot > to KDE, a simple ls command will be noticeably slow. Perhaps, this is > normal ! >=20 > I have been doing some reading, searching newsgroups and asking friends. > But I haven=92t been looking in the right places since I still have no id= ea of > the problem. >=20 > I am not asking for anybody to do the work for me but simply to point me = in > the right direction. All the junk I included was for information and mayb= e > someone will see what is not obvious to me. >=20 > Also, I have installed the OS like 5 times, build world just as many and > hack > the kernel another 8. >=20 > Thanks for listening, > sorry about the whining, just a little tired. >=20 >=20 > Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 199= 4 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved= =2E > FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Thu May 3 01:09:29 CDT 2001 > root@******.iastate.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/******* > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 501139856 Hz > CPU: AMD-K6(tm) 3D processor (501.14-MHz 586-class CPU) > Origin =3D "AuthenticAMD" Id =3D 0x58c Stepping =3D 12 > Features=3D0x8021bf > AMD Features=3D0x80000800 > real memory =3D 268435456 (262144K bytes) > config> di sn0 > config> di lnc0 > config> di ie0 > config> di fe0 > No such device: fe0 > Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. > config> di ed0 > No such device: ed0 > Invalid command or syntax. Type `?' for help. > config> di cs0 > config> q > avail memory =3D 257515520 (251480K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc03a6000. > Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03a609c. > VESA: v3.0, 16320k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc0335b42 (1000022) > VESA: STB Systems, Inc > K6-family MTRR support enabled (2 registers) > md0: Malloc disk > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib2: at device 1.0= on > pci0 pci1: on pcib2 > pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1= on > pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 10 at device = 7.2 > on pci0 > usb0: on uhci0 > usb0: USB revision 1.0 > uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhci1: port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 10 at device = 7.3 > on pci0 > usb1: on uhci1 > usb1: USB revision 1.0 > uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > bktr0: mem 0xe4800000-0xe4800fff irq 3 at device 9.0 on > pci0 > iicbb0: on bti2c0 > iicbus0: on iicbb0 master-only > smbus0: on bti2c0 > bktr0: Detected a DPL34-1@-@0 at 0x84 > bktr0: Intel Smart Video III/VideoLogic Captivator PCI, tuner, > dpl3518a dolby. > pcm0: port 0xdc00-0xdc1f irq 4 at device 10.0 on pci= 0 > dpt0: port 0x500-0x51f irq 11 at dev= ice > 12.0 on pci0 > dpt0: DPT PM2024A/9X FW Rev. 07CK, 1 channel, 64 CCBs > pcib1: on motherboard > pci2: on pcib1 > ep0: <3Com 3C509-TPO EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 5 on isa0 > ep0: Ethernet address ************* > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model IntelliMouse Explorer, device ID 4 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on is= a0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=3D0x300> > sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 8250 > sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP > Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: > ppbus0: SCP,VLINK > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ad0: 19574MB [39770/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 > ad1: 9671MB [19650/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 > afd0: 120MB [963/8/32] at ata1-slave using > PIO2 > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad1s1a > cd0 at dpt0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > pid 312 (artsd), uid 1001: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 15:50:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3570D37B43F for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:50:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm88@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.114.151.37]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010503225013.FIBG626.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 15:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF1E11E.13F5B110@home.com> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:52:14 -0400 From: cjm88@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange BTX halted error References: <200105011806.f41I6UN69612@earth.backplane.com> <20010502110520.B340@iv.nn.kiev.ua> <200105022114.f42LETo95078@earth.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a similar experience... Had to use DOS fdisk utility to put a SCSI disk that had been previously entirely dedicated to FBSD (in a dangerous way :) ) to being useable again as a bootable FBSD drive. It burnt a couple of evening's worth of time since the install process doesn't complain. It let's you go throught the entire install process... everything looks good until you exit install... reboot... and poof! you get a "missing operating system" message from the BIOS. All it took to fix it was to actually use DOS fdisk to create an active partition and then format it with the /S option. Maybe this will help someone avoid the same issue. C Matt Dillon wrote: > :... > :> dangerously dedicated partitions. It's what prompted me to fix the > :> disklabel code to allow boot blocks to be installed on slices. > :> Unfortunately, the only way I could fix my particular problem was > :> to get rid of my dangerously dedicated partition which meant blowing > :> away the hard drive and repartitioning and relabeling it. > : > :If disk is `dangerously dedicated', sector 0:0:1 is occupied with boot1, > :which does not use master PT area (0x1BE-0x1FF) and even contains > :a simple fake valid PT. Did you ever try to set there something syntactically > :valid for your BIOS and enough to allow loading of specific "bootloader"? > :If you did, what was the problem? > > Yah, I tried that... didn't work. What did work was blowing away > (zeroing) the beginning of the disk and then re-partitioning it > from scratch using a real DOS disk partition and boot0 (using fdisk -BI), > and installing boot1 and boot2 on the FreeBSD slice with disklabel's > new ability to install boot sectors on slices, using > 'disklabel -w -r -B da0s1 auto'. That worked. I incorporated the > sequence into the disklabel manual page near the end of the EXAMPLES > section. > > :P.S. On our FreeBSD hosts bunch we almost proved practically that the > :only safe partitioning is to create DOS slices (with below-cyl-1024 > :bootable one) with LBA geometry specified to fdisk. Any another approach > :leads to something strange effects: e.g. BTX cannot load /boot/loader > :and loads kernel directly, with natural `nlist failed'. But we never > :tried to change fake PT on dedicated disk directly. > : > :/netch > > I haven't had to do that. Yet. > > -Matt > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 17:29:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41F537B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id RAA07913 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:29:41 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda07911; Thu May 3 17:29:30 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f440TPL32093 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdO32091; Thu May 3 17:28:51 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f440SoI16925 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 17:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105040028.f440SoI16925@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdm16921; Thu May 3 17:28:18 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 15:08:18 PDT." <20010503150818.A8914@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 17:28:18 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All this talk of memory utilisation reminds me to ask, are there any plans to implement directio (Solaris UFS and VxFS have it)? Any plans to implement priority paging, e.g. not cache files in memory when memory is tight to reduce demand for paging? Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC In message <20010503150818.A8914@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu>, Brooks Davis writes: > > --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:01:11PM -0500, Ramon A Hermon wrote: > > So why put all this? Because I think something is terribly wrong. > > The box has 256MB of RAM but as I look at the memory utilization > > all the RAM is used and swap may go to 1%(total swap 515MB) Even after > > closing the apps my mem does not come down. No errors are reported :( > > Is that a memory leak? > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#TOP-FREEMEM > > Free memory is wasted possiable cache so freebsd doesn't randomly throw > things out of memory. > > -- Brooks > > --=20 > Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. > PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 > > --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE68dbRXY6L6fI4GtQRAunBAJ9ehVXsEiqzWeI9DzHatEYXpCGosgCgxd04 > 7hLm8TqtkabgRPn00aYBMmw= > =ggJx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 18:15:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E7037B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.100] (cs-lake1-p30.lafn.org [192.168.11.30] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f441FEK82020; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bc979@mail.lafn.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:11:32 -0700 To: Marius From: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Mem Use Cc: Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 18:23 -0400 5/3/01, Marius wrote: >As stated before, the whole matter with memory usage is normal. As seen >in my output for top: > >>last pid: 83829; load averages: 1.02, 1.03, 1.01 up 19+23:09:05 >18:17:08 >>70 processes: 4 running, 66 sleeping >>CPU states: 14.7% user, 56.2% nice, 9.7% system, 0.0% interrupt, 19.4% >idle >>Mem: 109M Active, 138M Inact, 38M Wired, 2752K Cache, 48M Buf, 87M Free >>Swap: 100M Total, 1224K Used, 99M Free, 1% Inuse >*snip* My systems look very much like this also. Do note that there is 87 MB free and 1 MB that some time in the past got swapped out. Whatever was swapped out never comes back to say regardless of the available free space. One of my systems started swapping for a short time about 6 months ago. I show constant swapin of that process all the time through today even though there is over 50 MB of free space. It would appear that some tuning of the swapin algorithm would be helpful. -- -- Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 18:43: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6857437B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.178.161]) by realtime.net ; Thu, 03 May 2001 19:17:59 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f440J1409593; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:19:01 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:19:01 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mem Use Message-ID: <20010503191901.B9560@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <003701c0d41c$91c08520$5103ba81@cs.iastate.edu>; from rahermon@iastate.edu on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:01:11PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > So why put all this? Because I think something is terribly wrong. > > Is that a memory leak? > No, it is normal: Mem: 124M Active, 698M Inact, 124M Wired, 56M Cache, 112M Buf, 3084K Free Swap: 2299M Total, 24K Used, 2299M Free Run w/out swap, and you will see some aggressive garbage collection by the OS. Or, you can run GIMP. GIMP is very good about returning memory to the Free list. :-) Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 18:46:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (babyviolence.com [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBEC37B424 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: by bluenugget.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6C2B91362F; Thu, 3 May 2001 18:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:27:53 -0700 From: Jason DiCioccio To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use Message-ID: <20010503182753.A90710@bluenugget.net> References: <20010503150818.A8914@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <200105040028.f440SoI16925@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105040028.f440SoI16925@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:28:18PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:28:18PM -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > All this talk of memory utilisation reminds me to ask, are there any > plans to implement directio (Solaris UFS and VxFS have it)? > > Any plans to implement priority paging, e.g. not cache files in memory > when memory is tight to reduce demand for paging? > > I'm not sure what you mean here.. Priority paging is already implemented I thought.. For example, if I have 20M Buff or 20M Cache and memory gets tight, it will realloc the memory in cache/buff in my experience (perhaps not all of it but a very big portion of it).. Is this what you mean? Or am I perhaps missing what you're saying? :-) Cheers, -JD- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 19: 1:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C830737B43F for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4426RJ05318; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105040206.f4426RJ05318@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Doug Hardie Cc: Marius , Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 May 2001 18:11:32 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:06:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >>Mem: 109M Active, 138M Inact, 38M Wired, 2752K Cache, 48M Buf, 87M Free > >>Swap: 100M Total, 1224K Used, 99M Free, 1% Inuse > > My systems look very much like this also. Do note that there is 87 > MB free and 1 MB that some time in the past got swapped out. That's 87MB of totally unused memory, ie. wasted money. 8) > Whatever was swapped out never comes back to say regardless of the > available free space. This is not correct; swap space is recovered when regions are unmapped and when a process exits. > One of my systems started swapping for a short > time about 6 months ago. I show constant swapin of that process all > the time through today even though there is over 50 MB of free space. > It would appear that some tuning of the swapin algorithm would be > helpful. Unlikely; it's more that because the region swapped out is backed by swap pages, it's considered cheaper to throw away than other regions might be. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 19:20:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (AMANT.PDL.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.189.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B348437B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dpetrou@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu) Received: (from dpetrou@localhost) by amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f442Jqj50087; Thu, 3 May 2001 22:19:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dpetrou) Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:19:51 -0400 From: David Petrou To: Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? Message-ID: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> Reply-To: dpetrou@cs.cmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Hit-Pick: Zorba, the Musical Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If I may comment on my desktop experience... I have been running > E+gnome, with the usual netscape/xemacs/mailer combination for a good > while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. > > Never had problems with SHM. i've commented about the problems with shm and a heavy enlightenment / gnome load a few weeks ago to stable, but my message was pretty much ignored. also note that this issue has been brought up in current a year or so ago. my problems went away with: options SHMMAXPGS=8192 options SHMMNI=4096 options SHMSEG=1024 i don't know enough about the internals to know the downside for using these high values, but i'm pretty confident on today's architectures it's irrelevant. can someone that knows more than i confirm this and make a permanent change to the kernel config file? it would spare a lot of people some headache. my symptoms before making this change were gnome-terminals disappearing when starting xmms. not a very clear connection to shm. > A. david To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 19:25: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDD937B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:25:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.100] (cs-lake1-p30.lafn.org [192.168.11.30] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f442OwK87869; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bc979@mail.lafn.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200105040206.f4426RJ05318@mass.dis.org> References: <200105040206.f4426RJ05318@mass.dis.org> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:24:38 -0700 To: Mike Smith From: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Mem Use Cc: Marius , Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 19:06 -0700 5/3/01, Mike Smith wrote: > > >>Mem: 109M Active, 138M Inact, 38M Wired, 2752K Cache, 48M Buf, 87M Free >> >>Swap: 100M Total, 1224K Used, 99M Free, 1% Inuse >> >> My systems look very much like this also. Do note that there is 87 >> MB free and 1 MB that some time in the past got swapped out. > >That's 87MB of totally unused memory, ie. wasted money. 8) Exactly. And it also slows down other disk I/O. Why doesn't it swap it back in and leave it? It keeps bringing it back in every couple seconds. I don't see any swap out activity, only lots of swapin. > >> Whatever was swapped out never comes back to say regardless of the >> available free space. > >This is not correct; swap space is recovered when regions are unmapped >and when a process exits. > >> One of my systems started swapping for a short >> time about 6 months ago. I show constant swapin of that process all >> the time through today even though there is over 50 MB of free space. >> It would appear that some tuning of the swapin algorithm would be >> helpful. > >Unlikely; it's more that because the region swapped out is backed by swap >pages, it's considered cheaper to throw away than other regions might be. > >-- >... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his >rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want >to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force >people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- -- Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 19:56: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2769237B424; Thu, 3 May 2001 19:56:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA61514; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:55:57 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15355; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:54:42 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: Doug Hardie Cc: Mike Smith , Marius , Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 03 May 2001 19:24:38 -0700. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 12:54:42 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Exactly. And it also slows down other disk I/O. Why doesn't it swap > it back in and leave it? It keeps bringing it back in every couple > seconds. I don't see any swap out activity, only lots of swapin. Reading files (e.g. with cat or more) and running new programs also counts as pagein. That's one reason why pagein rates are so much higher than pageout. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 20:23:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7789637B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 20:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24116; Thu, 3 May 2001 20:23:38 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF220B7.979E8371@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 20:23:35 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dpetrou@cs.cmu.edu Cc: Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Petrou wrote: > > > If I may comment on my desktop experience... I have been running > > E+gnome, with the usual netscape/xemacs/mailer combination for a good > > while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. > > > > Never had problems with SHM. > > i've commented about the problems with shm and a heavy enlightenment / > gnome load a few weeks ago to stable, but my message was pretty much > ignored. also note that this issue has been brought up in current a > year or so ago. > > my problems went away with: > > options SHMMAXPGS=8192 > options SHMMNI=4096 > options SHMSEG=1024 My settings are quite similar: # modify SysV parameters to provide more memory for Amanda and GNOME+Enlightenment options SHMMAXPGS=8193 # provides 32 meg of shared memory options SHMALL=8193 # provide 8KB + shareable memory options SHMMAX="(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)" options SHMMIN=2 # same as default options SHMMNI=257 # maximum shared memory identifiers options SHMSEG=65 # max shared memory segments per process options SEMMAP=255 # entries in semaphore map options SEMMNI=81 # semaphore identifiers in system options SEMMNS=481 # semaphores in system options SEMMNU=255 # undo structures in system options SEMMSL=481 # max semaphores per id options SEMOPM=801 # max operations per semop call options SEMUME=81 # max undo entries per process options MSGMNB=16385 # max characters per message queue options MSGMNI=321 # max message queue identifiers options MSGSEG=16385 # max message segments in system options MSGSSZ=128 # message seg size (2**7) options MSGTQL=321 # max messages in system > i don't know enough about the internals to know the downside for using > these high values, but i'm pretty confident on today's architectures > it's irrelevant. can someone that knows more than i confirm this and > make a permanent change to the kernel config file? it would spare a > lot of people some headache. my symptoms before making this change > were gnome-terminals disappearing when starting xmms. not a very > clear connection to shm. I don't (yet) either. But I was purposefully shooting for 32 megs (and one page more) of shared memory. I'm going to experiment and see if I can get by with less. But this amount works pretty well. jmc > > A. > > david > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 21:45: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F66337B422; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:44:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.100] (cs-wla2-p33.lafn.org [192.168.16.33] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f444inK99336; Thu, 3 May 2001 21:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bc979@mail.lafn.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au> References: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au> Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 21:41:33 -0700 To: Gregory Bond From: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: Mem Use Cc: Mike Smith , Marius , Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:54 +1000 5/4/01, Gregory Bond wrote: > > Exactly. And it also slows down other disk I/O. Why doesn't it swap >> it back in and leave it? It keeps bringing it back in every couple >> seconds. I don't see any swap out activity, only lots of swapin. > >Reading files (e.g. with cat or more) and running new programs also counts as >pagein. That's one reason why pagein rates are so much higher than pageout. That does not appear to be the case in 4.3. On several systems, a cat that will run for about 5 minutes never once shows any swapin counts. Given that my systems are servers for thousands of users, I would expect to see the swapins always large. I only see them on the least used server. Thats why it has 50 MB unused. It started swapping once when named crashed and things backed up for an hour or so. Since then the load has been quite low. But there are 40 - 80K swapped in every 2 seconds. -- -- Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 22:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spitfire.velocet.net (spitfire.velocet.net [209.167.225.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E196437B422 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 22:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ddavid_3@yahoo.com) Received: from david.thecafe.ca (H241.C192.tor.velocet.net [216.138.192.241]) by spitfire.velocet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E8D019A011; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: David Reply-To: ddavid_3@yahoo.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mem Use ( large) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:32:46 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: rahermon@iastate.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050401324600.76098@david.thecafe.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (sorry for no quotes) I have been experiencing these same "symptoms" as Ramon is describing, except for the swapping, which i rarely get any, but system responsiveness is extreamly poor and "laggy" when starting X with KDE-2.1.1, mouse stops or rather sticks during the startup for KDE, and also during startups to programs in KDE. Also on the console, issueing commands ( even multiple times) there is what i would call a "1 sec pause" eg: ls , pause, then the listing. This applies, so far, to anything i have been doing in the console ( with and with-out XFree86-4 started) I also have been installing the system multiple times, along with XFree86-4 and KDE, not knowing what to make of the situation until now that I have found not too be the only experiencing such things. It is definately a " downgraded step in performance " compared to when i was running 4-STABLE and KDE-2.1. Truthfully, I'm not sure if the problem lies with FreeBSD, XFree86-4 or KDE-2.1.1, but am inclined to begin with KDE-2.1.1, seeing as kdeinit has been "core-ing" every once in awhile, hence my doing multiple install's of it due to getting totally frustrated in cleaning out .core file's. Today i finished my final "total" install ( buildworld, XFRee86-4, KDE-2.1.1, with a cleaned out /usr/X11R6 and /usr/local, and obj ) and am inclined to go back too 4-STABLE, XFree86-4 and KDE-2.1, at a time when things were working quite nicely before upgrading to 4.3 etc. I would like to try and figure things out as they are now, but would need more experienced hands in suggesting way's to analize the system as it stands now. Below is a dmesg, top and my config ( today i added SHMMAXPGS after beginning a search in the archive's for similar problems, but have noticed no change with this option) Thanks David -->Please excuse the formatting and file size<-- last pid: 76114; load averages: 0.00, 0.04, 0.02[1;64H up 0+03:46:42[1;80H00:50:17 36 processes: 1 running, 34 sleeping, 1 zombie CPU states: % user, % nice, % system, % interrupt, % idle Mem: 67M Active, 129M Inact, 35M Wired, 420K Cache, 48M Buf, 143M Free Swap: 1000M Total, 1000M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 75868 ddavid 2 0 16444K 12712K select 1 0:08 0.05% 0.05% kdeinit 75895 ddavid 2 0 33144K 30928K select 1 11:42 0.00% 0.00% navigator-li 75816 ddavid 2 0 32448K 31504K select 0 3:53 0.00% 0.00% XFree86 75872 ddavid 2 0 17048K 12316K select 1 0:38 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 75848 ddavid 2 0 13996K 7860K select 0 0:15 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 75875 ddavid 2 0 14724K 9976K select 0 0:12 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 114 root 2 0 2384K 1452K select 1 0:12 0.00% 0.00% ppp 75866 ddavid 2 0 15108K 9964K select 1 0:08 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 76098 ddavid 2 0 21588K 17140K select 1 0:04 0.00% 0.00% kmail 75880 ddavid 2 0 14656K 9316K select 0 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 75878 ddavid 2 0 14400K 8772K select 1 0:01 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 76053 ddavid 2 0 3988K 3260K select 1 0:01 0.00% 0.00% xterm 75863 ddavid 2 0 9960K 6548K select 0 0:01 0.00% 0.00% ksmserver 75905 ddavid 2 0 10712K 8576K select 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% navigator-li 76114 ddavid 32 0 1900K 1092K CPU1 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% top 75844 ddavid 2 0 14004K 7160K select 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 75846 ddavid 2 0 14244K 8072K select 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 135 root 2 0 944K 612K select 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% syslogd 75860 ddavid 2 0 13856K 6564K select 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 76054 ddavid 18 0 1272K 960K pause 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 196 ddavid 18 0 1260K 940K pause 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 197 root 3 0 1252K 936K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 154 root 10 0 980K 728K nanslp 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% cron 76113 ddavid 18 0 1244K 936K pause 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 76052 ddavid 18 0 1036K 780K pause 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% csh 75853 ddavid 2 0 14044K 7896K select 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% kdeinit 75822 ddavid 10 0 632K 448K wait 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh 75883 ddavid 3 0 212K 92K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% cat 75815 ddavid 10 0 2364K 1500K wait 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% xinit 75804 ddavid 10 0 636K 452K wait 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% sh 199 root 3 0 948K 628K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% getty 200 root 3 0 948K 628K ttyin 0 0:00 0.00% 0.00% getty 198 root 3 0 948K 628K ttyin 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% getty 76112 ddavid 2 0 928K 620K select 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% script 41 root 18 0 208K 88K pause 1 0:00 0.00% 0.00% adjkerntz Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Thu May 3 16:38:24 EDT 2001 root@david.thecafe.ca:/usr/src/sys/compile/FREEBSD Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (350.80-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x652 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183fbff real memory = 402653184 (393216K bytes) avail memory = 388243456 (379144K bytes) Programming 24 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 16 -> irq 11 IOAPIC #0 intpin 17 -> irq 10 IOAPIC #0 intpin 18 -> irq 3 IOAPIC #0 intpin 19 -> irq 4 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfee00000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 2, version: 0x00170011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc034a000. VESA: v2.0, 16384k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc02e6b02 (1000022) VESA: ATI RAGE128 Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 agp0: mem 0xe0000000-0xe3ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 7.2 Timecounter "PIIX" frequency 3579545 Hz chip0: port 0x5000-0x500f at device 7.3 on pci0 ed0: port 0xe400-0xe41f irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0 ed0: address 00:40:05:e2:6c:52, type NE2000 (16 bit) ahc0: port 0xe800-0xe8ff mem 0xeb000000-0xeb000fff irq 4 at device 9.0 on pci0 aic7860: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs sio0: <3COM PCI FaxModem> port 0xec00-0xec07 irq 3 at device 10.0 on pci0 sio0: type 16550A fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model MouseMan+, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <6 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port joy0 at port 0x201 on isa0 sbc0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x330-0x331,0x388-0x38b irq 5 drq 1,3 on isa0 pcm0: on sbc0 joy1: at port 0x200 on isa0 APIC_IO: Testing 8254 interrupt delivery APIC_IO: routing 8254 via IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 IP Filter: v3.4.16 initialized. Default = pass all, Logging = enabled SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! ad0: 6187MB [13410/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ad1: 6105MB [13232/15/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 ad2: 12416MB [25228/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 acd0: CD-RW at ata1-slave using PIO3 Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.24 2001/04/05 17:23:10 sos Exp $ machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident FREEBSD maxusers 128 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options ROOTDEVNAME=\"ufs:ad0s2a\" options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=2000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SHMMAXPGS=16384 options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options USER_LDT options MSGBUF_SIZE=40960 options NMBCLUSTERS=1024 options COMPAT_LINUX # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device isa device pci device agp # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? options VESA # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 #options SC_PIXEL_MODE options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=500 options MAXCONS=6 # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) #device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at pci? # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer # PCI Ethernet NICs. device ed # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') options NETGRAPH options NETGRAPH_ETHER options NETGRAPH_SOCKET options NETGRAPH_BPF options NETGRAPH_PPPOE options IPFILTER options IPFILTER_LOG options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST options ICMP_BANDLIM # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocate. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device vn # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter #Sound Card Vibra16 device pcm device sbc device joy0 at isa? port IO_GAME To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 23: 5:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 438AA37B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:05:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f44NB0G89772; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:11:00 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:10:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: David Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, rahermon@iastate.edu Subject: Re: Mem Use ( large) In-Reply-To: <01050401324600.76098@david.thecafe.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001, David wrote: > I have been experiencing these same "symptoms" as Ramon is describing, > except for the swapping, which i rarely get any, but system responsiveness is > extreamly poor and "laggy" when starting X with KDE-2.1.1, mouse stops or > rather sticks during the startup for KDE, and also during startups to programs in KDE. I don't know if this is related or not, however... Since I udates to XFree 4, I have not been able to use X configured to use the sysmouse via moused. Mouse and general system response becomes VERY slow. Removing moused and having X use the mouse directly does work, but I lose console mouse support, etc. I updated to 4 to use the G450 driver. System is currently 2 months old. X is more recent (< 2 weeks) 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #8: Sun Mar 4 02:37:47 MST 2001 I don't EVER recall having any problems with moused before. :) I haven't had time to investigate this problem. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 3 23:48:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.skyinet.net (SMTP.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F31937B423 for ; Thu, 3 May 2001 23:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marsattack@cannoncreek.com) Received: from nomad (unknown [202.78.79.4]) by smtp.skyinet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F2EE7327AF; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:48:38 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <017501c0d469$d7d837e0$4500a8c0@nomad> From: "Mars Attack" To: "Doug Russell" , "David" Cc: , References: Subject: Re: Mem Use ( large) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:14:13 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > On Fri, 4 May 2001, David wrote: > > > I have been experiencing these same "symptoms" as Ramon is describing, > > except for the swapping, which i rarely get any, but system responsiveness is > > extreamly poor and "laggy" when starting X with KDE-2.1.1, mouse stops or > > rather sticks during the startup for KDE, and also during startups to programs in KDE. > > I don't know if this is related or not, however... > > Since I udates to XFree 4, I have not been able to use X configured to use > the sysmouse via moused. Mouse and general system response becomes VERY > slow. Removing moused and having X use the mouse directly does work, but > I lose console mouse support, etc. I updated to 4 to use the G450 driver. > Good for you, but on a system of mine, FreeBSD-4.2-Stable 20010215 , X Windows 4.01 KDE 1.2.x, there are always unexpected events like copy-pasting, browsing over some fairly graphic-ed site w/c leads to crash my screen. The screen just becomes all white with the square mouse on it. I haven't upgraded it to a more recent version [lack of time] & as people here might recommend, as I have also browsed reports of people experiencing the same thing with more recent/updated versions of FBSD/X/KDE.... > System is currently 2 months old. X is more recent (< 2 weeks) > 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #8: Sun Mar 4 02:37:47 MST 2001 > > I don't EVER recall having any problems with moused before. :) > > I haven't had time to investigate this problem. > > Later...... > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message cheers mars To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 0:15:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se (albatross-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC33537B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 00:15:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se) Received: from esealnt462.al.sw.ericsson.se (ESEALNT462.al.sw.ericsson.se [153.88.251.62]) by albatross.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.11.0/8.11.0/WIREfire-1.3) with SMTP id f447FON13740 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:24 +0200 (MEST) Received: FROM esealnt746.al.sw.ericsson.se BY esealnt462.al.sw.ericsson.se ; Fri May 04 09:15:23 2001 +0200 Received: by ESEALNT746.al.sw.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2SVMWJ8H>; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:22 +0200 Message-ID: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373C0@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> From: "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" To: "'Hajimu UMEMOTO'" , "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry for not including all relevant info: 1. I have a valid (Solaris) BIND9 IPv6 server running on the address listed 2. I made bind-9.1.1 in /usr/ports/net/bind9 on "client" FreeBSD machine. Should that be enough to be able to put IPv6 addresses in resolv.conf now ? Thanx, Tim -----Original Message----- From: Hajimu UMEMOTO [mailto:ume@mahoroba.org] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 17:50 To: Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? >>>>> On Thu, 3 May 2001 17:11:31 +0200 >>>>> "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" said: Tim.Ehrhart> Most was solved with the upgrade, but I have one lingering issue. If I put a IPv6 address in my /etc/resolv.conf, Tim.Ehrhart> it is ignored, and "jumps" over to the second (IPv4) entry. Can anyone explain this to me ? How did you know that? FreeBSD version of nslookup and dig are not support IPv6 transport and simply ignore nameserver line with IPv6 address. Does your nameserver provide service via IPv6? BIND9 supports IPv6 transport but you need to add listen-on-ipv6 directive into named.conf. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 1:40:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from noid.org (para.noid.org [209.247.165.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1450937B50C; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrlist@noid.org) Received: from snicko (adsl-63-201-204-82.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.201.204.82]) by noid.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA26835; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:45:18 -0700 Message-ID: <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org> From: "Nick's Lists" To: , References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> Subject: Re: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 01:38:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thought I'd repost this, and provide an update and see if anyone has any suggestions :) I've gone ahead and done a cvs-up to 4.3Stable with no change in stability (So much for stable huh? ). The box is staying up for about 6 hours at a time between crashes with maxusers = 1024. I'm going to go ahead and put a new kernel in that's got maxusers = 16, and set maxfiles = 5000 and NPROC = 2068 in param.c. I'm doing this mainly to follow along with my theory that bumping maxusers up too high is squeezing the system for kvm somehow, and by keeping maxusers down, and artificially bumping maxfiles and NPROC up I can try and keep the system stable. The whole reason this is coming about is that I'm currently evaluating FreeBSD vs Solaris x86 to use in my production mail environment to replace the 30 something Sparc Solaris and 3 or 4 Linux boxes that I'm currently using. Its interesting to note that an identical box running Solaris x86 8 is handling the same load without any problems at all. Its a bit dispointing tho, as I"ve done some side by side comparisons of FreeBSD and Sol x86 running on identical hardware taking an identical load, and the BSD box uses less memory and CPU then the x86. If I could just keep the thing stable, it would make it a much better choice than going with Sol x86. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! - Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick's Lists" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 2:03 PM Subject: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 > The box is a dual P3 with 2g ram, running Qmail which is handling inbound > email. I'm running 4.2 Release (though I've had similar problems with 3.4 > Stable a few months back, and never solved them either). > > After a 36 - 48hrs, the box will panic with "panic: pipeinit: cannot > allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3". It doesn't seem to happen during > periods of peak load, the last crash occurred at 3:45AM and there have been > days when the box has made it through our peak load times with no problems. > > When the box was initially installed, it was running out of files. I built a > new kernel with maxusers = 512. The box seemed to last about 48 hours or so > before crashing with the out of kvm panic. > > After a bit of digging around, I came to the conclusion (erroneously?) that > the problem was caused by bumping maxusers up too high and chewing through > too much memory allocating space for a large number of files and processes. > > As a result, I've tried maxusers at 256, 128, and 64. With maxusers at 64, > I've bumped maxfiles to 5000 via sysctl. That didn't seem to make any > difference, the box seemed to crash every 36 - 48 hours with the same panic. > > It was suggested to me a couple of days ago, to try running maxusers = 1024. > I tried that after the box crashed this last time. With that setting, the > box only stayed up for 6 hours, from 3:45AM to 9:45AM. > > The last few lines of vmstat 2 prior to the crash are: > > procs memory page disks faults cpu > r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr ml0 md0 in sy cs us sy > id > 10 8 0 24248 778400 3022 0 0 0 2453 0 171 0 744 10659 1586 7 > 28 65 > 5 5 0 20900 780140 3353 0 0 0 3610 0 295 0 953 8824 2595 7 39 > 54 > 0 5 0 19096 780644 1339 0 0 0 1437 0 95 0 512 3188 886 1 15 > 84 > 1 4 0 17460 781020 940 0 0 0 973 0 83 0 417 3143 711 3 14 > 83 > 1 5 0 17384 780988 1842 0 0 0 1762 0 172 0 646 5964 1271 4 21 > 75 > 5 8 0 19908 779424 1527 0 0 0 1249 0 110 0 541 5080 799 4 17 > 79 > > I was also running vmstat -m every 5 seconds - the last output of that is: > > Mon Apr 30 03:43:54 PDT 2001 > Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests > 62374K 12435K 73429925 > > The only notable event I've noticed is that a few minutes prior to each > crash, the number of established connections (netstat -n | grep -c EST) > seems to spike up pretty dramatically. > > About 15 min prior to the 3:45AM crash, the number of established > connections spiked from the 90 - 100 range to about 250, and then dropped > back to the 90 - 100 range. Another, non BSD box, running at the same weight > behind the load balancer stayed in the 90 - 100 connections range at the > time the FBSD box's connections spiked up. I've seen similar behavior with > all the prior crashes. > > I have savecore enabled, but it doesn't seem to be leaving a core when it > reboots. > > My next step is going to be to cvsup to 4.3-stable and enable ddb. I'm doing > this mainly in an effort to be on the latest in the hopes that this was > fixed between 4.2 and 4.3. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? > > TIA! > > - Nick > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 1:51:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608AC37B43F for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 01:51:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sven.huster@mailsurf.com) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.com by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 14vbIr-0002ot-03; Fri, 04 May 2001 10:51:09 +0200 Received: from venus.mailsurf.com (320051988339-0001@[62.158.229.52]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 14vbIu-2KTY9oC; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:51:12 +0200 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010504104241.024dcd78@mx01.mailsurf.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:51:44 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Sven Huster Subject: URGENT: 4.3-RELEASE on diskless crashes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Sender: 320051988339-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, i am running serveral diskless machines. Intel ISP1100 with console redirection to serial port. two of them crash quite often (every hour), cause of unknown reason. sometimes they reboots, sometimes not. they dont even give a panic on the serial console (DDB option in kernel is also enabled). Every filesystem is on a netapp filer, swapfile too (configured via bootp/dhcpd). My first idea was a hardware error, but after enabling a second machine the same problem again. Two other running without any problem. any suggestions? what else can i check to sort this out? thanks regards Sven Huster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 2:51:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197CF37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 02:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14vcFI-0000vg-00; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:51:32 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f449pVN92822; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:51:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:51:31 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Gregory Bond Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mem Use Message-ID: <20010504105130.A92704@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au>; from gnb@itga.com.au on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 12:54:42PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Gregory Bond [010504 03:57]: > > Exactly. And it also slows down other disk I/O. Why doesn't it swap > > it back in and leave it? It keeps bringing it back in every couple > > seconds. I don't see any swap out activity, only lots of swapin. > > Reading files (e.g. with cat or more) and running new programs also counts as > pagein. That's one reason why pagein rates are so much higher than pageout. Don't think that's true for textfiles. I rmeember older *NIXes loaded processes off disk by causing a page fault to read in the binary. I imagine FreeBSD does soemthing similar, The pageins you'd see running cat or more are probably /bin/cat and /usr/bin/more being loaded. -- Using TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach. -- S. C. Johnson Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 5:13:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DFFD37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stolz@I2.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id f44CDEp27363 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:13:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.112.212]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/3) with ESMTP id f44CDEH27359 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:13:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from agamemnon.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (agamemnon.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.74]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/2) with ESMTP id OAA05868 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:09:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by agamemnon.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id OAA21064 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:13:05 +0200 From: Volker Stolz To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.3-S: installworld by NFS Message-ID: <20010504141305.A21057@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, after trying to install the world which is imported by NFS on the client I get: ln -s /usr/src/lib/libncurses/../../contrib/ncurses/man/curs_addch.3x curs_addch.3 ln: curs_addch.3: File exists *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libncurses. Does somebody know what might happen here? If I use -k to keep going, I will get a bunch of these all in the ncurses directory. Everything else installs as expected. -- Abstrakte Syntaxträume. Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP + S/MIME To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 5:28:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [209.16.107.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E71637B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:28:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f44CSDA55868 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:28:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:28:13 -0400 From: Jamie Norwood To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Port Binding Message-ID: <20010504082801.A55841@mushhaven.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I posted this to comp.unix.freebsd.misc a few daqys ago with no response.] Greetings, I run a machine that is used for hosting MUDs, MUSHes, and other similar things. What I would like to do is set things up so that when I assign a port to a game or person, that only the account that I give permission to can bind to that port. Is there a way to do this at this time in FreeBSD? Also, I know some programs use high ports for normal operation. I want to try, as much as possible, to make users unable to bind games and bots and such to ports if they don't have permission. Is this feasible, or am I only likely to get to reserve specific ports and the rest will always be a free-for-all for the unscrupulous? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 5:40: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0B137B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 05:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stolz@I2.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id f44Cdwp02976; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:39:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.112.212]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/3) with ESMTP id f44CdvH02963; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:39:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from agamemnon.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (agamemnon.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.74]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/2) with ESMTP id OAA06328; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by agamemnon.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id OAA21102; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:39:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 14:39:48 +0200 From: Volker Stolz To: wyrdwulf@catskill.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ymessenger segfaulting Message-ID: <20010504143948.A21098@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <200105032000.f43K0eb16710@mail-1.catskill.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <200105032000.f43K0eb16710@mail-1.catskill.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In local.freebsd-stable, you wrote: >I noticed that since I "upgraded" (make world, etc) to 4.3 (as of >4/29), ymessenger (0.93) is >segfaulting. Sorry, ymessenger works fine here on 4.3-S. Can you send the last couple of lines from ktracing it? -- Abstrakte Syntaxträume. Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP + S/MIME To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 7:33:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br (srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br [200.177.250.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573C237B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from floripa@zoing.net) Received: from srv7-poa.poa.terra.com.br (srv7-poa.poa.terra.com.br [200.176.2.123]) by srv16-sao.sao.terra.com.br (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30119 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:33:22 -0300 Received: from br.zoing.net (cm-net-C8B02AC8.poa.terra.com.br [200.176.42.200]) by srv7-poa.poa.terra.com.br (8.11.0/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f44EXMx14243 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:33:22 -0300 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010504082801.A55841@mushhaven.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:33:23 -0300 (BRT) Reply-To: floripa@zoing.net From: Antonio Carlos Venancio Junior To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG People, What do you think about this? ---------- http://www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.html ---------- Cya Antonio [ floripa@zoing.net | antonio@showZ.com.br | antonio@inf.ufsc.br ] [ http://floripa.zoing.net | http://www.zoing.net | http://www.showZ.com.br ] [ ICQ# 9253680 | Floripa | MySQL | PHP | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve ] --- It is impossible to travel faster than light, and certainly not desirable, as one's hat keeps blowing off. -- Woody Allen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 7:42:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from icc.ru (ccsoan.irkutsk.su [195.206.40.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E5137B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from norfolk@slavik.eu.org) Received: from 50-208.ppp.dsi.ru (50-208.ppp.dsi.ru [195.206.50.208]) by icc.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06725 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:42:00 +0900 (IRKST) X-Envelope-To: Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:41:14 +1000 From: John Grigoriev X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: John Grigoriev X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <935561395.20010504234114@slavik.eu.org> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello , I use the 4.3-Stable, and i want then my sound-on-mather-board "VIA VT82C686A" be worked. in my kernel config file: device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 - not worked? How may, i do this? cvsup to -current??? -- Best regards, John mailto:norfolk@slavik.eu.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:26:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A69537B440 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:26:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM) Received: from eastmail1.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.240]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16667 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swanaba.east (swanaba.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.54]) by eastmail1.East.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id LAA25373 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sun.COM (swantty.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.52]) by swanaba.east (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02062 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:26:55 +0200 From: Robert Hellwig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Here is the output that I get when trying to make the jdk 12 beta port.... it's about the last piece of the message saying c:\temp and xcopy... any clues??? Thanks and have a nice weekend --Robert root@daemon:/usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta # make ===> Extracting for jdk-1.2.2b10 >> Checksum OK for jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for freebsd-jdk122-patches-10.tar.gz. ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gm4 - found ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: zip - found ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/jdk1.1.8/bin/javac - found ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/linux-jdk1.2.2/bin/javac - found ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a in /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/open-motif-devel >> No directory for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a. Skipping.. ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /nonexistent - not found ===> Verifying extract for /nonexistent in /usr/ports/java/jfc ===> Returning to build of jdk-1.2.2b10 ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on shared library: odbc.1 - found ===> Patching for jdk-1.2.2b10 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for jdk-1.2.2b10 ===> Configuring for jdk-1.2.2b10 ===> Building for jdk-1.2.2b10 Version of ALT_BOOTDIR JDK: 1.2.2 TEMP directory: C:/temp ERROR: The "xcopy" command could not be found in your PATH. The JDK 1.2 build requires this command, which can usually be found in C:\\WINNT\System32. Please adjust your PATH environment variable and try again. gmake: *** [sanity] Error 1 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. *** Error code 1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:27:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nel-exchange.rutgers.edu (nel-exchange.rutgers.edu [128.6.130.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF6F37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Matise@Biology.Rutgers.Edu) Received: by nel-exchange.rutgers.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:26:34 -0400 Message-ID: <32786300104BD311AC7E00508B6707D05158BF@nel-exchange.rutgers.edu> From: Matise@Biology.Rutgers.Edu To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:26:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tara C. Matise, Ph.D. Associate Research Professor Department of Genetics 732-445-3125 (P) Rutgers University 732-445-4972 (F) matise@biology.rutgers.edu http://compgen.rutgers.edu Nelson Biological Laboratories - B211 604 Allison Road Piscataway, NJ 08854-8082 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:34: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF57A37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14vhak-0007IL-00; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:34:02 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f44FY2W06922; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:34:02 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:34:02 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Robert Hellwig Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port Message-ID: <20010504163401.A6869@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM>; from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:26:55PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Robert Hellwig [010504 16:27]: > Hi there, > > Here is the output that I get when trying to make the jdk 12 beta > port.... it's about the last piece of the message saying c:\temp and > xcopy... any clues??? You've downloaded the wrong tarball? This looks like the NT version. > root@daemon:/usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta # make > ===> Extracting for jdk-1.2.2b10 > >> Checksum OK for jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz. > >> Checksum OK for freebsd-jdk122-patches-10.tar.gz. > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gm4 - found > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: zip - found > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/jdk1.1.8/bin/javac - > found > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/linux-jdk1.2.2/bin/javac > - found > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a - not found > ===> Verifying install for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a in > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/open-motif-devel > >> No directory for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a. Skipping.. > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /nonexistent - not found > ===> Verifying extract for /nonexistent in /usr/ports/java/jfc > ===> Returning to build of jdk-1.2.2b10 > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gmake - found > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on shared library: odbc.1 - found > ===> Patching for jdk-1.2.2b10 > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for jdk-1.2.2b10 > ===> Configuring for jdk-1.2.2b10 > ===> Building for jdk-1.2.2b10 > Version of ALT_BOOTDIR JDK: 1.2.2 > TEMP directory: C:/temp > > ERROR: The "xcopy" command could not be found in your PATH. The JDK 1.2 > build requires this command, which can usually be found in > C:\\WINNT\System32. Please adjust your PATH environment variable > and try again. > > gmake: *** [sanity] Error 1 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. > *** Error code 1 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Mencken and Nathan's Fifteenth Law of The Average American: The worst actress in the company is always the manager's wife. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:38:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from subnet.sub.net (subnet.sub.net [212.227.14.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3018E37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:38:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from lyxys.ka.sub.org (uucp@localhost) by subnet.sub.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/1.2subnet-linux) with bsmtp id RAA08936; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:38:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (928 bytes) by lyxys.ka.sub.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:inet_uusmtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:34:41 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Aug-23) Message-Id: From: wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org (Wolfgang Zenker) Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... In-Reply-To: <935561395.20010504234114@slavik.eu.org> "from John Grigoriev at May 4, 2001 11:41:14 pm" To: John Grigoriev Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL88 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > I use the 4.3-Stable, and i want then my > sound-on-mather-board "VIA VT82C686A" be worked. > in my kernel config file: > device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 - not worked? > How may, i do this? > cvsup to -current??? the on-board soundcard is a pci device, not an isa device, so all you need in your kernel config is "device pcm" without any of the isa, irq and other stuff. Wolfgang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:39:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3527F37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM) Received: from eastmail2.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22831; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swanaba.east (swanaba.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.54]) by eastmail2.East.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id LAA00638; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sun.COM (swantty.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.52]) by swanaba.east (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02212; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AF2CD51.99B87243@Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 17:40:01 +0200 From: Robert Hellwig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port References: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM> <20010504163401.A6869@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, I don't think that I downloaded the wrong one. There are three src' to download... one tar ball and two zip's... 1. jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz 2. jdk1_2_2-L-src-linux-09_Mar.zip 3. jdk1_2_2-src.zip And I use nr 1. ..... I think that the zip contains the Win src's or not??? --Robert Rasputin wrote: > > * Robert Hellwig [010504 16:27]: > > Hi there, > > > > Here is the output that I get when trying to make the jdk 12 beta > > port.... it's about the last piece of the message saying c:\temp and > > xcopy... any clues??? > > You've downloaded the wrong tarball? This looks like the NT version. > > > root@daemon:/usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta # make > > ===> Extracting for jdk-1.2.2b10 > > >> Checksum OK for jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz. > > >> Checksum OK for freebsd-jdk122-patches-10.tar.gz. > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gm4 - found > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: zip - found > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/jdk1.1.8/bin/javac - > > found > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/local/linux-jdk1.2.2/bin/javac > > - found > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a - not found > > ===> Verifying install for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a in > > /usr/ports/x11-toolkits/open-motif-devel > > >> No directory for /usr/X11R6/lib/libMrm.a. Skipping.. > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on file: /nonexistent - not found > > ===> Verifying extract for /nonexistent in /usr/ports/java/jfc > > ===> Returning to build of jdk-1.2.2b10 > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on executable: gmake - found > > ===> jdk-1.2.2b10 depends on shared library: odbc.1 - found > > ===> Patching for jdk-1.2.2b10 > > ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for jdk-1.2.2b10 > > ===> Configuring for jdk-1.2.2b10 > > ===> Building for jdk-1.2.2b10 > > Version of ALT_BOOTDIR JDK: 1.2.2 > > TEMP directory: C:/temp > > > > ERROR: The "xcopy" command could not be found in your PATH. The JDK 1.2 > > build requires this command, which can usually be found in > > C:\\WINNT\System32. Please adjust your PATH environment variable > > and try again. > > > > gmake: *** [sanity] Error 1 > > *** Error code 2 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop in /usr/ports/java/jdk12-beta. > > *** Error code 1 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -- > Mencken and Nathan's Fifteenth Law of The Average American: > The worst actress in the company is always the manager's wife. > Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:42:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unity.agava.ru (unity.agava.ru [213.59.3.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341C537B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:42:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from m_ilya@agava.com) Received: from relay2.agava.net.ru (unknown [193.125.142.2]) by unity.agava.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BE0927E660; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:42:42 +0400 (MSD) Received: from gw.office.agava.ru (2.oivt.mipt.ru [193.125.142.2]) by relay2.agava.net.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CEC943741; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:41:27 +0400 (MSD) Received: from juil.domain (juil.domain [192.168.1.50]) by gw.office.agava.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24FE5D57; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:41:26 +0400 (MSD) Received: by juil.domain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3BC971BE1A; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:37:55 +0400 (MSD) To: floripa@zoing.net Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup References: From: Ilya Martynov Date: 04 May 2001 19:37:55 +0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87ae4tqg4s.fsf@juil.domain> Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.0.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ACVJ> People, ACVJ> What do you think about this? ACVJ> ---------- ACVJ> http://www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.html ACVJ> ---------- It is quite old fake. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Ilya Martynov (http://martynov.org/) | | GnuPG 1024D/323BDEE6 D7F7 561E 4C1D 8A15 8E80 E4AE BE1A 53EB 323B DEE6 | | AGAVA Software Company (http://www.agava.com/) | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:43:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp25.baruch.cuny.edu (smtp25.baruch.cuny.edu [150.210.155.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 349FA37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from choepete@mindspring.com) Received: (qmail 21803 invoked by uid 0); 4 May 2001 14:23:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mindspring.com) (150.210.151.46) by smtp25.baruch.cuny.edu with SMTP; 4 May 2001 14:23:10 -0000 Message-ID: <3AF2CE85.4ACBE91C@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:45:09 -0400 From: Peter Choe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: trouble upgrading to 4.3 stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have 3.5 stable on my machine right now. i have cvsup'ed the source tree for 4.3 stable. but when i go to do make buildworld -DNOPERL, i get the following error: ... c++ -I usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe -I/usr/obj/src/i386/usr/include -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/ -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:80 warning: 'catch', 'throw', and 'try' are all C++ reserved words /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc: In function 'void operator delete(void *)': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:82: declarationof 'operator delete(void *)' throws different exceptions... :82: ...from previous declaration here *** Error code 1 Stop. .... any suggestions? peter choe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:50:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510D237B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14vhqs-000Lys-00; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:50:42 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f44Fogf07588; Fri, 4 May 2001 16:50:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:50:42 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Robert Hellwig Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port Message-ID: <20010504165042.A7524@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM> <20010504163401.A6869@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AF2CD51.99B87243@Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AF2CD51.99B87243@Sun.COM>; from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 05:40:01PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Robert Hellwig [010504 16:40]: > Hi there, > > I don't think that I downloaded the wrong one. > There are three src' to download... one tar ball and two zip's... > > 1. jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz > 2. jdk1_2_2-L-src-linux-09_Mar.zip > 3. jdk1_2_2-src.zip > > And I use nr 1. ..... I think that the zip contains the Win src's or > not??? Wierd. I only built jdk12 a fortnight ago, and it was fine. You're the second person to mention problems to me in the past few days. Maybe Sun changed the tarball? (It looks like you work for them; any way you can check?) -- "He is now rising from affluence to poverty." -- Mark Twain Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 8:57:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from thehousleys.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.224.201]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0574B37B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 08:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f44Fv6d34598; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Received: from thehousleys.net (baby.int.thehousleys.net [192.168.0.24]) (authenticated) by thehousleys.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f44Fv4m34590; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:57:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jim@thehousleys.net) Message-ID: <3AF2D150.C37D531@thehousleys.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 11:57:04 -0400 From: James Housley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: Robert Hellwig , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port References: <3AF2CA3F.1301ECB3@Sun.COM> <20010504163401.A6869@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AF2CD51.99B87243@Sun.COM> <20010504165042.A7524@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rasputin wrote: > > > Wierd. I only built jdk12 a fortnight ago, and it was fine. > You're the second person to mention problems to me in the past few days. > Maybe Sun changed the tarball? > Are you suggesting that they were able to change the tarball and have it keep the same MD5 checksum? Jim -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign . \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail . X - NO Word docs in e-mail . / \ ----------------------------------------------------------------- jeh@FreeBSD.org http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power to Serve jim@TheHousleys.Net http://www.TheHousleys.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:12: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A39437B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44GAmr25737; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041610.f44GAmr25737@earth.backplane.com> To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use References: <200105040028.f440SoI16925@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :All this talk of memory utilisation reminds me to ask, are there any :plans to implement directio (Solaris UFS and VxFS have it)? There has been talk. It's considered 'interesting' but it is not a priority. FreeBSD's heuristics already handle write-behind and free-behind operations so, for example, writing out a 200MB file sequentially will not blow away your cache. :Any plans to implement priority paging, e.g. not cache files in memory :when memory is tight to reduce demand for paging? The VM system already tunes itself to load. It's not as simple as deciding whether to cache something or not... *everything* in the system is part of the cache. It's a matter of balancing demand and determining when to lunder dirty pages to their backing store. Anything that isn't dirty is potentially freeable whether it represents (cached) files, code, data, or anonymous memory. But gratuitously throwing away file cache pages will kill performance as quickly as gratuitously throwing away swapped out anonymous memory. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:15: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CB637B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44GEsb25774; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041614.f44GEsb25774@earth.backplane.com> To: David Petrou Cc: Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :.. :> while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. :> :> Never had problems with SHM. : :i've commented about the problems with shm and a heavy enlightenment / :gnome load a few weeks ago to stable, but my message was pretty much :ignored. also note that this issue has been brought up in current a :year or so ago. : :my problems went away with: : : options SHMMAXPGS=8192 : options SHMMNI=4096 : options SHMSEG=1024 : :i don't know enough about the internals to know the downside for using :these high values, but i'm pretty confident on today's architectures :... : :david In general there is no downside. Shared memory is swap-backed (though the in-kernel control structures are not). I think it's high time that the system defaults be raised. I'll do it later today. You should also be able to raise the defaults using appropriate sysctl's, e.g.: sysctl -a | fgrep kern.ipc sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=33554432 And, of course, with kernel conf variables. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:22:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A72937B424; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44GM0t25871; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041622.f44GM0t25871@earth.backplane.com> To: Doug Hardie Cc: Mike Smith , Marius , Ramon A Hermon , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use References: <200105040206.f4426RJ05318@mass.dis.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :>> My systems look very much like this also. Do note that there is 87 :>> MB free and 1 MB that some time in the past got swapped out. :> :>That's 87MB of totally unused memory, ie. wasted money. 8) : :Exactly. And it also slows down other disk I/O. Why doesn't it swap :it back in and leave it? It keeps bringing it back in every couple :seconds. I don't see any swap out activity, only lots of swapin. :... :-- :-- Doug If you are seeing swapin activity but no swapout activity it is typically due to a program that is randomly accessing a large memory address space slowly. 'named' is a really good example of this. The program is accessing the address space slowly enough that system pressures cause the system to reuse the memory at around the same rate -- giving it to other processes that need it more. The system will always allocate free memory before anything else, so if you have 87MB of free memory it's probably transient (that is, you are doing other things in your system that eat up the memory temporarily, then exit and free it all). Having free memory will not prevent swapins from occuring, but if you do not have a transient load that is causing large portions of memory to be freed then the swapin activity *will* slowly use up the free memory. swapin activity that is less then 100KB/sec will not have any appreciable effect on disk performance. In general swapin activity of any kind does not have nearly the effect that swapout activity has. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:26:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C8737B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44GQ9Z25955; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041626.f44GQ9Z25955@earth.backplane.com> To: Rasputin Cc: Gregory Bond , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mem Use References: <200105040254.MAA15355@lightning.itga.com.au> <20010504105130.A92704@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Don't think that's true for textfiles. : :I rmeember older *NIXes loaded processes off disk by causing :a page fault to read in the binary. I imagine FreeBSD does soemthing similar, : :The pageins you'd see running cat or more are probably /bin/cat and :/usr/bin/more being loaded. FreeBSD does demand-page executables, but if the data is already in the VM page cache then FreeBSD will pre-map some of the pages when you exec the program as an optimization -- so no (or fewer) faults will occur for those pages. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:42:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED8637B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:42:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02013; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:42:34 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF2DBFD.37AA2124@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:42:37 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Dillon Cc: David Petrou , Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> <200105041614.f44GEsb25774@earth.backplane.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Matt Dillon wrote: > > :.. > :> while now, on a Pentium 166Mhz with 32M but around 100-150Mb or swap. > :> > :> Never had problems with SHM. > : > :i've commented about the problems with shm and a heavy enlightenment / > :gnome load a few weeks ago to stable, but my message was pretty much > :ignored. also note that this issue has been brought up in current a > :year or so ago. > : > :my problems went away with: > : > : options SHMMAXPGS=8192 > : options SHMMNI=4096 > : options SHMSEG=1024 > : > :i don't know enough about the internals to know the downside for using > :these high values, but i'm pretty confident on today's architectures > :... > : > :david > > In general there is no downside. Shared memory is swap-backed > (though the in-kernel control structures are not). > > I think it's high time that the system defaults be raised. I'll do > it later today. You should also be able to raise the defaults > using appropriate sysctl's, e.g.: > > sysctl -a | fgrep kern.ipc > sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=33554432 > > And, of course, with kernel conf variables. > > -Matt Excellent! Other than larger swap usage, I haven't seen a downside to my settings (although I think they're a little on the large end) Performance with graphics, particularly with xscreensaver seems much improved though. jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:46:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3C937B43F for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f44GkVU00690; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 09:46:31 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Nick's Lists" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Message-ID: <20010504094631.N18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org>; from mrlist@noid.org on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:38:28AM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Nick's Lists [010504 01:40] wrote: > Thought I'd repost this, and provide an update and see if anyone has any > suggestions :) > > I've gone ahead and done a cvs-up to 4.3Stable with no change in stability > (So much for stable huh? ). The box is staying up for about 6 hours at > a time between crashes with maxusers = 1024. I'm going to go ahead and put a > new kernel in that's got maxusers = 16, and set maxfiles = 5000 and NPROC = > 2068 in param.c. I'm doing this mainly to follow along with my theory that > bumping maxusers up too high is squeezing the system for kvm somehow, and by > keeping maxusers down, and artificially bumping maxfiles and NPROC up I can > try and keep the system stable. > > The whole reason this is coming about is that I'm currently evaluating > FreeBSD vs Solaris x86 to use in my production mail environment to replace > the 30 something Sparc Solaris and 3 or 4 Linux boxes that I'm currently > using. Its interesting to note that an identical box running Solaris x86 8 > is handling the same load without any problems at all. Its a bit dispointing > tho, as I"ve done some side by side comparisons of FreeBSD and Sol x86 > running on identical hardware taking an identical load, and the BSD box uses > less memory and CPU then the x86. If I could just keep the thing stable, it > would make it a much better choice than going with Sol x86. > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Try compiling your kernel with PIPE_NODIRECT. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 9:52:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A100F37B422; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f44GqF352293; Fri, 4 May 2001 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: mrlist@noid.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, alfred@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 In-Reply-To: <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org> References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010504095215L.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:52:15 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I can certainly tell you that unless you have 4GB of RAM in this box, setting maxusers to 1024 is massive overkill and I'm not at all surprised you're having problems. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 10: 7:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC3837B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:07:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44H7Rw26684; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041707.f44H7Rw26684@earth.backplane.com> To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: David Petrou , Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> <200105041614.f44GEsb25774@earth.backplane.com> <3AF2DBFD.37AA2124@webmail.bmi.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> :> In general there is no downside. Shared memory is swap-backed :> (though the in-kernel control structures are not). :> :> I think it's high time that the system defaults be raised. I'll do :> it later today. You should also be able to raise the defaults :> using appropriate sysctl's, e.g.: :> :> sysctl -a | fgrep kern.ipc :> sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=33554432 :> :> And, of course, with kernel conf variables. :> :> -Matt : :Excellent! Other than larger swap usage, I haven't seen a downside to :my settings (although I think they're a little on the large end) :Performance with graphics, particularly with xscreensaver seems much :improved though. : :jmc Could you do me a favor and post your 'ipcs -a' output for the case of your nominally heavy X load? I am looking to raise the SHMMAXPGS default from 1024 to 8192, SHMMNI from 96 to 192, and SHMSEG from 64 to 128. The question is whether I have to raise SHMMNI and SHMSEG even higher -- I'm guessing that your problems were mostly due to the too-low SHMMAXPGS default. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 10:19:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C7A737B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:19:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02944; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:19:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF2E488.F5549020@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 10:19:04 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Dillon Cc: David Petrou , Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <20010503221951.G47670@amant.pdl.cs.cmu.edu> <200105041614.f44GEsb25774@earth.backplane.com> <3AF2DBFD.37AA2124@webmail.bmi.net> <200105041707.f44H7Rw26684@earth.backplane.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------0DCA0C72B7F7E0D0CB092BA9" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0DCA0C72B7F7E0D0CB092BA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Dillon wrote: > > :> > :> In general there is no downside. Shared memory is swap-backed > :> (though the in-kernel control structures are not). > :> > :> I think it's high time that the system defaults be raised. I'll do > :> it later today. You should also be able to raise the defaults > :> using appropriate sysctl's, e.g.: > :> > :> sysctl -a | fgrep kern.ipc > :> sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=33554432 > :> > :> And, of course, with kernel conf variables. > :> > :> -Matt > : > :Excellent! Other than larger swap usage, I haven't seen a downside to > :my settings (although I think they're a little on the large end) > :Performance with graphics, particularly with xscreensaver seems much > :improved though. > : > :jmc > > Could you do me a favor and post your 'ipcs -a' output for the case > of your nominally heavy X load? See attached. jmc ========================= > I am looking to raise the SHMMAXPGS default from 1024 to 8192, > SHMMNI from 96 to 192, and SHMSEG from 64 to 128. The question is > whether I have to raise SHMMNI and SHMSEG even higher -- I'm guessing > that your problems were mostly due to the too-low SHMMAXPGS default. > > -Matt --------------0DCA0C72B7F7E0D0CB092BA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="heavy.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="heavy.txt" Message Queues: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP CBYTES QNUM QBYTES LSPID LRPID STIME RTIME CTIME Shared Memory: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP NATTCH SEGSZ CPID LPID ATIME DTIME CTIME m 262144 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 503 49816:00:42 16:01:09 16:00:42 m 4063233 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 579 49816:00:47 17:07:18 16:00:47 m 5046275 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 572 49816:00:48 16:00:49 16:00:48 m 14680069 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 606 49816:01:10 no-entry 16:01:10 m 3276806 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 163840 601 49816:01:02 no-entry 16:01:02 m 3670023 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 599 49816:00:59 no-entry 16:00:59 m 1507336 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 601 49816:00:59 no-entry 16:00:59 m 37945353 2622055 --rw-r--r-- root wheel root wheel 0 1048576 96500 9687010:15:52 10:15:56 6:52:42 m 2097162 0 --rwarwarwa jmcoopr operator jmcoopr operator 2 393216 608 49816:01:24 no-entry 16:01:24 Semaphores: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP NSEMS OTIME CTIME s 65536 2622057 --rw-rw-rw- root wheel root wheel 14no-entry 10:15:52 --------------0DCA0C72B7F7E0D0CB092BA9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 10:29:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kumquat.hlcca.org (kumquat.hlcca.org [209.244.192.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A249837B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakota@kumquat.hlcca.org) Received: (qmail 59268 invoked by uid 143); 4 May 2001 13:28:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO kumquat.hlcca.org) (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 May 2001 13:28:32 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Matt Dillon Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: lists@mediumgreen.com Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? In-Reply-To: Message from Matt Dillon of "Fri, 04 May 2001 10:07:27 MST." <200105041707.f44H7Rw26684@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 13:28:32 +0000 Message-Id: <20010504172935.A249837B422@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I heard Matt Dillon say: > Could you do me a favor and post your 'ipcs -a' output for the case > of your nominally heavy X load? > > I am looking to raise the SHMMAXPGS default from 1024 to 8192, > SHMMNI from 96 to 192, and SHMSEG from 64 to 128. The question is > whether I have to raise SHMMNI and SHMSEG even higher -- I'm guessing > that your problems were mostly due to the too-low SHMMAXPGS default. I've seen similar issues with my home machine. If I leave vmware running, my backups fail. I haven't yet gotten around to rebuilding the kernel with the shm setting changed. Here is my current ipcs output: Message Queues: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP CBYTES QNUM QBYTES LSPID LRPID STIME RTIME CTIME Shared Memory: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP NATTCH SEGSZ CPID LPID ATIME DTIME CTIME m 65536 2622055 --rw-r--r-- root wheel root wheel 1 1048576 287 287 2:48:02 23:16:20 2:48:02 Semaphores: T ID KEY MODE OWNER GROUP CREATOR CGROUP NSEMS OTIME CTIME s 65536 2622057 --rw-rw-rw- root wheel root wheel 14no-entry 2:48:02 -matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 10:39:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8562D37B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f44HdNw01188; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:39:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:39:23 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Nick's Lists" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Message-ID: <20010504103922.O18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <030801c0d475$bd1e0fe0$0102010a@noid.org>; from mrlist@noid.org on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:38:28AM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Nick's Lists [010504 01:40] wrote: > Thought I'd repost this, and provide an update and see if anyone has any > suggestions :) > > > After a 36 - 48hrs, the box will panic with "panic: pipeinit: cannot > > allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3". It doesn't seem to happen during > > periods of peak load, the last crash occurred at 3:45AM and there have > been > > days when the box has made it through our peak load times with no > problems. This happens because someone decided that it was a good idea to implement over-commit with pipes. Meaning that the storage required for a pipe's buffer won't be allocated until someone actually tries to write to it. If the space can't be allocated the system panics. I'm working on a fix, should be available within a day or two. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 10:50:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wormhole2.bluestar.net (wormhole2.bluestar.net [208.53.1.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01DD37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 10:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gjharrison@hmmg.com) Received: from gvlexch.hmmg.com ([64.183.119.113]) by wormhole2.bluestar.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f44HoPQ05525 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:50:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: by gvlexch.hmmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 4 May 2001 13:40:22 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Harrison, G. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D4C1.4AD73B90-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 11:42:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mr200.netcologne.de (mr200.netcologne.de [194.8.194.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B2437B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pherman@frenchfries.net) Received: from husten.security.at12.de (dial-213-168-73-173.netcologne.de [213.168.73.173]) by mr200.netcologne.de (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AES61921; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:42:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:41:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul Herman To: Subject: Re: sbsize in /etc/login.conf behaving strangely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001, Paul Herman wrote: > For the life of me I can't find out why login_getcapnum() is getting > called on sbsize rather than login_getcapsize(), even though > lib/libutil/login_class.c:58 has: > > { "sbsize", login_getcapsize, RLIMIT_SBSIZE }, This is getting strange: bash-2.04$ grep sbsize /etc/login.conf :sbsize=4096K:\ bash-2.04$ id uid=1000(pherman) gid=1000(users) groups=1000(users) bash-2.04$ limits -U pherman | grep sbsize sbsize 4096 bytes bash-2.04$ limits | grep sbsize sbsize 4194304 bytes I have a case that I can reproduce in which a value "4096K" for sbsize will give a "cannot create socket" error from within an FTP session, but replacing "4096K" with "4194304" in /etc/login.conf no longer gives the error. I can't seem to track down where it's tripping up, though. -Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 11:47:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0A837B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:47:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44IlMl30759; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:47:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041847.f44IlMl30759@earth.backplane.com> To: lists@mediumgreen.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <200105041729.f44HTjr27074@earth.backplane.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> whether I have to raise SHMMNI and SHMSEG even higher -- I'm guessing :> that your problems were mostly due to the too-low SHMMAXPGS default. : :I've seen similar issues with my home machine. If I leave vmware running, :my backups fail. I haven't yet gotten around to rebuilding the kernel with :the shm setting changed. : :Here is my current ipcs output: : :... Thanks guys. As I thought.. the issue is almost certainly the shared memory maximum. I've raised the default from 4M to 32M in -current and I will MFC it to -stable on monday. I also raised the control structure limits slightly. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 11:50:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E218137B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:50:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f44IoCN01818; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:50:12 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Matt Dillon Cc: lists@mediumgreen.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? Message-ID: <20010504115012.S18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200105041729.f44HTjr27074@earth.backplane.com> <200105041847.f44IlMl30759@earth.backplane.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105041847.f44IlMl30759@earth.backplane.com>; from dillon@earth.backplane.com on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:47:22AM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Matt Dillon [010504 11:48] wrote: > :> whether I have to raise SHMMNI and SHMSEG even higher -- I'm guessing > :> that your problems were mostly due to the too-low SHMMAXPGS default. > : > :I've seen similar issues with my home machine. If I leave vmware running, > :my backups fail. I haven't yet gotten around to rebuilding the kernel with > :the shm setting changed. > : > :Here is my current ipcs output: > : > :... > > Thanks guys. As I thought.. the issue is almost certainly the shared > memory maximum. I've raised the default from 4M to 32M in -current > and I will MFC it to -stable on monday. I also raised the control > structure limits slightly. Afaik solaris has kern.ipc.shm_use_phys set to 1 automagically, meaining that shared memory is not pageable. what are your thoughts on making that the default? -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 11:57:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BAF37B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:57:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f44Iv1O31869; Fri, 4 May 2001 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105041857.f44Iv1O31869@earth.backplane.com> To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: lists@mediumgreen.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should /sys/i386/conf/GENERIC's SysV shared memory settings+defaults be re-thought? References: <200105041729.f44HTjr27074@earth.backplane.com> <200105041847.f44IlMl30759@earth.backplane.com> <20010504115012.S18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> :... :> :> Thanks guys. As I thought.. the issue is almost certainly the shared :> memory maximum. I've raised the default from 4M to 32M in -current :> and I will MFC it to -stable on monday. I also raised the control :> structure limits slightly. : :Afaik solaris has kern.ipc.shm_use_phys set to 1 automagically, :meaining that shared memory is not pageable. what are your thoughts :on making that the default? : :-- :-Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Our VM system does a pretty good job keeping the pages in core. Sure, if you were running a huge database you would probably want to turn it on but beyond that there is no real reason to wire the memory. Besides, if we turned it on the increased shared memory limits wouldn't scale to machines with small amounts of memory. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 12: 5:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mr200.netcologne.de (mr200.netcologne.de [194.8.194.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE9237B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 12:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pherman@frenchfries.net) Received: from husten.security.at12.de (dial-213-168-64-109.netcologne.de [213.168.64.109]) by mr200.netcologne.de (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id AES64742; Fri, 4 May 2001 21:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:05:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Paul Herman To: Subject: Re: sbsize in /etc/login.conf behaving strangely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001, Paul Herman wrote: > This is getting strange: > > bash-2.04$ grep sbsize /etc/login.conf > :sbsize=4096K:\ > bash-2.04$ id > uid=1000(pherman) gid=1000(users) groups=1000(users) > bash-2.04$ limits -U pherman | grep sbsize > sbsize 4096 bytes > bash-2.04$ limits | grep sbsize > sbsize 4194304 bytes It seems that limits.c has a typo. Can someone commit the following patch? You could also maybe followup to conf/19750 which missed this. Index: limits.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.bin/limits/limits.c,v retrieving revision 1.7.2.1 diff -u -r1.7.2.1 limits.c --- limits.c 2000/07/02 09:50:17 1.7.2.1 +++ limits.c 2001/05/04 18:48:11 @@ -200,7 +200,7 @@ { "memorylocked", login_getcapsize }, { "maxproc", login_getcapnum }, { "openfiles", login_getcapnum }, - { "sbsize", login_getcapnum } + { "sbsize", login_getcapsize } }; /* I've patched my local system, and will see over the next couple of days if any problems come up. -Paul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 13:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F1537B43C for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 13:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2442544; Fri, 04 May 2001 16:40:20 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org (Wolfgang Zenker), John Grigoriev Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 15:40:00 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday 04 May 2001 10:34 am, Wolfgang Zenker wrote: > Hi, > > > I use the 4.3-Stable, and i want then my > > sound-on-mather-board "VIA VT82C686A" be worked. > > > > in my kernel config file: > > device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 - not worked? > > > > How may, i do this? > > cvsup to -current??? > > the on-board soundcard is a pci device, not an isa device, so all you > need in your kernel config is "device pcm" without any of the isa, irq > and other stuff. > > Wolfgang Works here, too, with just device pcm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 14: 0:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F7737B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14vmge-0006rk-01; Sat, 05 May 2001 09:00:28 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Robert Hellwig" , "Rasputin" Cc: Subject: RE: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 08:59:58 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3AF2CD51.99B87243@Sun.COM> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe you're better off using the linux-jdk13 port instead? I've built and installed that on a number of FreeBSD 4.x systems, without problems. -- Juha :: -----Original Message----- :: From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG :: [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Robert Hellwig :: Sent: Saturday, 5 May 2001 03:40 :: To: Rasputin :: Cc: stable@freebsd.org :: Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port :: :: :: Hi there, :: :: I don't think that I downloaded the wrong one. :: There are three src' to download... one tar ball and two zip's... :: :: 1. jdk1_2_2-src.tar.gz :: 2. jdk1_2_2-L-src-linux-09_Mar.zip :: 3. jdk1_2_2-src.zip :: :: And I use nr 1. ..... I think that the zip contains the Win src's or :: not??? :: :: --Robert To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 14: 5:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303D437B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:05:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gehicks@cisco.com) Received: from mira1.cisco.com (mira1.cisco.com [171.71.208.193]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f44L5ta03536; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (ptlm1-dhcp-102.cisco.com [171.71.210.102]) by mira1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ABU04706; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3AF31884.7EFA1509@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 14:00:52 -0700 From: W Gerald Hicks Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: floripa@zoing.net Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Antonio Carlos Venancio Junior wrote: > > People, > > What do you think about this? > > ---------- > http://www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.html > ---------- > I think... 1) C++ is a mistake carried out to imperfection. 2) It's not a topic for freebsd-stable according to its charter 3) This well-known hoax has been exposed a gazillion times in more appropriate places. Cheers, Jerry Hicks gehicks@cisco.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 14:10:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3370A37B43C; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14vmqU-0006sz-01; Sat, 05 May 2001 09:10:38 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Jordan Hubbard" , Cc: , Subject: RE: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:10:08 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010504095215L.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Well, I can certainly tell you that unless you have 4GB of RAM in :: this box, setting maxusers to 1024 is massive overkill and I'm :: not at all surprised you're having problems. I was wondering about that setting... if I read the kernel config doco, it says that the maxusers settingallow (20+16)*maxusers processes. So, with maxusers=1024, there'd be "room" for 32,768 simultaneous processes. Does maxusers pre-allocate resources in some way? Are there metrics on this? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 14:18:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (scully.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20A1937B50B for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 1607 invoked from network); 4 May 2001 21:16:53 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (24.154.37.140) by scully.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 4 May 2001 21:16:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:18:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Donn Miller X-X-Sender: To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Robert Hellwig , Rasputin , Subject: RE: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010504171441.G39682-100000@acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Maybe you're better off using the linux-jdk13 port instead? I've built and > installed that on a number of FreeBSD 4.x systems, without problems. So, which are you better off installing? jdk12-beta is a native port, and gives much faster performance. linux-jdk13 seems more sluggish, and it lacks a JIT feature, AFAIK. OTOH, it has the newest Java features compared to jdk 1.2.2. Does the jdk12-beta port have a JIT feature? Are there enough features added in 1.3 to justify installing linux-jdk13 as opposed to jdk12-beta? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 14:35: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BF537B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 14:34:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14vnDf-0006tm-02; Sat, 05 May 2001 09:34:35 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Donn Miller" Cc: "Robert Hellwig" , "Rasputin" , Subject: RE: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:34:05 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010504171441.G39682-100000@acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: So, which are you better off installing? jdk12-beta is a native :: port, and :: gives much faster performance. linux-jdk13 seems more sluggish, and :: it lacks a JIT feature, AFAIK. OTOH, it has the newest Java features :: compared to jdk 1.2.2. Does the jdk12-beta port have a JIT feature? Are :: there enough features added in 1.3 to justify installing linux-jdk13 as :: opposed to jdk12-beta? Well, hrrmm... in my case, I was just obeying the Java developers' orders, and installed linux-jdk 1.3. We're running Resin (www.caucho.com) and JDK 1.3 is supposed to offer better performance and so forth. No empirical evidence of that though... Java and good performace are two concepts that don't seem to go together for me. ;-) I had to make it use the "classic" VM though, which presumably shaves off some performance. I could be wrong about this, but FreeBSD doesn't seem to be the best platform currently to run Java on. Had a quick look through the ports, and it seems that the available JITs only work with JDK 1.1.8? As for features etc. well, you could sift through the huge amount of documents at Sun's Java site... -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 17:41:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F74C37B43C for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 17:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f450fT802112 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:51:42 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: stable Subject: soft update should be default Message-Id: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.64 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Why 'soft update' is not default? It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? Is there any reason not to make it default? -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18: 5:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmod.ath.cx (CC2-861.charter-stl.com [24.217.115.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAB137B43C for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh3@chmod.ath.cx) Received: by chmod.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 13EFBA876; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500 From: Andrew Hesford To: Tadayuki OKADA Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default Message-ID: <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net>; from tadayuki@mediaone.net on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:51:42PM -0400 X-Loop: Andrew Hesford Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:51:42PM -0400, Tadayuki OKADA wrote: > Hi, > > Why 'soft update' is not default? > It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > Is there any reason not to make it default? > > -- > Tadayuki OKADA It only adds performance... the whole idea of soft updates is to get async speed with sync reliability. Nothing is more reliable than synchronous writes, since data is verified absolutely as it is written. Still... I do agree it should be the default, or at least an option that can be set at install time. I think this summer I will be reinstalling my system, to clean up the cruft that ~1/2 year of learning has built up on my system. It would sure come in handy then. -- Andrew Hesford ajh3@chmod.ath.cx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18:14:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www3.infolink.com.br (www3.infolink.com.br [200.255.108.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6005337B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:14:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from apina@infolink.com.br) Received: from diala11 (unverified [200.255.108.11]) by www3.infolink.com.br (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 22:14:32 -0300 Message-ID: <009001c0d500$bd3446d0$0b6cffc8@infolink.com.br> Reply-To: "Antonio Carlos Pina" From: "Antonio Carlos Pina" To: References: Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:14:31 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Funny. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Carlos Venancio Junior" To: Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup > People, > > > What do you think about this? > > ---------- > http://www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.html > ---------- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18:24:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9F237B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f451Nxx22920; Fri, 4 May 2001 21:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 21:34:12 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: Andrew Hesford Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft update should be default Message-Id: <20010504213412.3ee36a4f.tadayuki@mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.64 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500 Andrew Hesford wrote: > It only adds performance... the whole idea of soft updates is to get > async speed with sync reliability. Nothing is more reliable than > synchronous writes, since data is verified absolutely as it is written. I've heard that it always keeps consistency. So you can skip fsck after the crash. #I don't know the detail, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. > Still... I do agree it should be the default, or at least an option that > can be set at install time. I think this summer I will be reinstalling > my system, to clean up the cruft that ~1/2 year of learning has built up > on my system. It would sure come in handy then. You can set it from the menu if you install 4.3-RELEASE. -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18:24:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708C237B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:24:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F423E0B; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:24:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Andrew Hesford Cc: Tadayuki OKADA , stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu>; from ajh3@chmod.ath.cx on "Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500" Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:24:29 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010505012429.76F423E0B@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew Hesford writes: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:51:42PM -0400, Tadayuki OKADA wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Why 'soft update' is not default? > > It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > > > Is there any reason not to make it default? > > > > -- > > Tadayuki OKADA > > It only adds performance... the whole idea of soft updates is to get > async speed with sync reliability. Nothing is more reliable than > synchronous writes, since data is verified absolutely as it is written. > > Still... I do agree it should be the default, or at least an option that > can be set at install time. I think this summer I will be reinstalling > my system, to clean up the cruft that ~1/2 year of learning has built up > on my system. It would sure come in handy then. AFAIK sysinstall now allows you to enable softupdates on the filesystems it creates for you. > > -- > Andrew Hesford > ajh3@chmod.ath.cx > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18:32: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmod.ath.cx (CC2-861.charter-stl.com [24.217.115.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD5637B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh3@chmod.ath.cx) Received: by chmod.ath.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2B5A9A876; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:31:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 20:31:05 -0500 From: Andrew Hesford To: Tadayuki OKADA Cc: Andrew Hesford , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: soft update should be default Message-ID: <20010504203105.A20797@cec.wustl.edu> References: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu> <20010504213412.3ee36a4f.tadayuki@mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010504213412.3ee36a4f.tadayuki@mediaone.net>; from tadayuki@mediaone.net on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:34:12PM -0400 X-Loop: Andrew Hesford Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:34:12PM -0400, Tadayuki OKADA wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500 > Andrew Hesford wrote: > > It only adds performance... the whole idea of soft updates is to get > > async speed with sync reliability. Nothing is more reliable than > > synchronous writes, since data is verified absolutely as it is written. > I've heard that it always keeps consistency. > So you can skip fsck after the crash. > I don't know the detail, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. It does keep things consistent... but this does not add reliability over synchronous writes. > > Still... I do agree it should be the default, or at least an option that > > can be set at install time. I think this summer I will be reinstalling > > my system, to clean up the cruft that ~1/2 year of learning has built up > > on my system. It would sure come in handy then. > You can set it from the menu if you install 4.3-RELEASE. This is just what I need then. -- Andrew Hesford ajh3@chmod.ath.cx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 18:37:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2DD37B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f451gsl05388; Fri, 4 May 2001 18:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105050142.f451gsl05388@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Tadayuki OKADA Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 May 2001 20:51:42 EDT." <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 18:42:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi, > > Why 'soft update' is not default? > It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces performance (significantly). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 19:39: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (scully.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BED5937B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 19:39:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: (qmail 22795 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 02:37:30 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-28-174.zoominternet.net (HELO topperwein) (24.154.28.174) by scully.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 5 May 2001 02:37:30 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 22:39:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Chris BeHanna To: Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <20010504213412.3ee36a4f.tadayuki@mediaone.net> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: behanna@mail.zbzoom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001, Tadayuki OKADA wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2001 20:04:43 -0500 > Andrew Hesford wrote: > > It only adds performance... the whole idea of soft updates is to get > > async speed with sync reliability. Nothing is more reliable than > > synchronous writes, since data is verified absolutely as it is written. > I've heard that it always keeps consistency. > So you can skip fsck after the crash. > #I don't know the detail, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I've had a number of crashes recently while trying to get my new Thunderbird box up and running with the disk from my old box. I have softupdates enabled on two partitions, yet they still fsck on the way back up after a crash (and, at 18GB each, it takes awhile). Next time I play games, I'm mounting them read-only first! -- Chris BeHanna "This isn't a throttle; it's a *rheostat*!" Software Engineer behanna@zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 20:38:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1C537B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:38:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14vsnn-00075Z-00; Sat, 05 May 2001 15:32:15 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Andrew Hesford" , "Tadayuki OKADA" Cc: "stable" Subject: RE: soft update should be default Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:31:45 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010504200443.A20673@cec.wustl.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Still... I do agree it should be the default, or at least an option that :: can be set at install time. It is -- the disk partitioning / labelling screen lets you set Softupdates at installation time. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 20:41:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2661637B423; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:41:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14vswr-00075u-01; Sat, 05 May 2001 15:41:37 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Mike Smith" , "Tadayuki OKADA" Cc: "stable" Subject: RE: soft update should be default Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:41:07 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200105050142.f451gsl05388@mass.dis.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces :: performance (significantly). What? That doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. In fact, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/internals-vm.html says: "Run time VM and system tuning is relatively straightforward. First, use softupdates on your UFS/FFS filesystems whenever possible. /usr/src/contrib/sys/softupdates/README contains instructions (and restrictions) on how to configure it up." su-2.05# less /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.softupdates $FreeBSD: src/sys/ufs/ffs/README.softupdates,v 1.7.2.1 2000/06/26 14:09:01 sheldonh Exp $ Add option SOFTUPDATES to your kernel configuration. You should also read the copyrights in the sources and the README file. Once you're running a kernel with soft update support, you need to enable it for whichever filesystems you wish to run with the soft update policy. This is done with the -n option to tunefs(8) on the UNMOUNTED filesystems, e.g. from single-user mode you'd do something like: tunefs -n enable /usr To permanently enable soft updates on the /usr filesystem (or at least until a corresponding ``tunefs -n disable'' is done). For more general information on soft updates, please see: http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/papers/CSE-TR-254-95/ Why do you have to disable write caching? -- Julian Elischer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 20:46:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A597637B423 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f453jq800846; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 23:56:06 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: Chris BeHanna Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default Message-Id: <20010504235606.231639f6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20010504213412.3ee36a4f.tadayuki@mediaone.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.64 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001 22:39:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Chris BeHanna wrote: > > I've heard that it always keeps consistency. > > So you can skip fsck after the crash. > > #I don't know the detail, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. > > I've had a number of crashes recently while trying to get my new > Thunderbird box up and running with the disk from my old box. I have > softupdates enabled on two partitions, yet they still fsck on the way > back up after a crash (and, at 18GB each, it takes awhile). Next time > I play games, I'm mounting them read-only first! Well... I knew I was wrong. It seems that that feature is only in CURRENT. And you can't omit fsck, it will be done in the background after the partition is mounted. -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 20:52:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021F437B422; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from icarus.kfu.com (icarus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:260:1dff:fe1e:7cdf]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f453q2c09313 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Fri, 4 May 2001 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [::1]) by icarus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f453q2963556; Fri, 4 May 2001 20:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3AF378E2.5040700@quack.kfu.com> Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 20:52:02 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010321 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Tadayuki OKADA , stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default References: <200105050142.f451gsl05388@mass.dis.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Why 'soft update' is not default? >> It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > > It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces > performance (significantly). > Why wouldn't a similar requirement (disabling write caching) apply to non-softupdates filesystems? The disk doesn't know whether the write is synchronous or not, after all. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 21:55:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [209.191.58.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2446637B422 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 21:55:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pechter@shell.monmouth.com) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA05741 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 May 2001 00:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:55:09 -0400 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Keyboard lock-ups in XFree86 4.03 with pcvt console and 4.3-stable Message-ID: <20010505005509.A5639@shell.monmouth.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is anyone seeing loss of keyboard input on -STABLE with FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE and XFree86 4.0.3. I've had keyboard lockups in X with KDM and KDE2, twm, and with just old consoles running (although X does seem to make the problem happen more often). When not under X connecting from an old Xterminal and doing a couple of kcon -R's usually unwedges it. When using kdm a couple of restarts of the X server and tapping num lock usually gets it back. Bill -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter@shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 4 23:43:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cfw.com (flanders.ntelos.net [216.12.0.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B9AF37B424 for ; Fri, 4 May 2001 23:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cornwall@intelos.net) Received: (qmail 4143 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 02:43:10 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by flanders.intelos.net with SMTP; 5 May 2001 02:43:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 02:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: cornwall@intelos.net To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Freebsd 4.2 Stable Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to get Netscape up and running on Freebsd 4.2. Each time I do a build and try and run the program I get an error message saying "ld.so error can't find libXt.so.6.0" Does anyone have any suggestions? Using the same browser in Freebsd 4.0 Stable doesn't have this problem. Thank you, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 0:17:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964737B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 00:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de (hcswork.hcs.de [172.24.124.5]) by hcshh.hcs.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED2EBA27; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:17:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Postfix, from userid 200) id 4EFCE52F; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:17:12 +0200 (METDST) Subject: Re: Keyboard lock-ups in XFree86 4.03 with pcvt console and 4.3-stable In-Reply-To: <20010505005509.A5639@shell.monmouth.com> "from Bill/Carolyn Pechter at May 5, 2001 00:55:09 am" To: "Bill/Carolyn Pechter" Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 09:17:12 +0200 (METDST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL84 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <20010505071712.4EFCE52F@hcswork.hcs.de> From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From=20the keyboard of Bill/Carolyn Pechter: > Is anyone seeing loss of keyboard input on -STABLE with FreeBSD > 4.3-STABLE and XFree86 4.0.3. I run 4.3-STABLE and XFree86 4.0.1 on my main working machine and i don=B4t see this. hellmuth --=20 Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 55 97 47= -70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 55 97 47= -77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de D-22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.= de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 1: 0:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AB837B423; Sat, 5 May 2001 01:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f457wdL97948; Sat, 5 May 2001 00:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 00:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Nick Sayer Cc: Mike Smith , Tadayuki OKADA , stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <3AF378E2.5040700@quack.kfu.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 4 May 2001, Nick Sayer wrote: > Mike Smith wrote: > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Why 'soft update' is not default? > >> It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > > > > > It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces > > performance (significantly). > > > Why wouldn't a similar requirement (disabling write caching) apply to > non-softupdates filesystems? The disk doesn't know whether the write is > synchronous or not, after all. That's the thing about it. If you have write-caching enabled then all bets are off in any case (ie, you might as well run in async). In addition, soft updates does some really smart things even over async. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 3: 9:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93CC37B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 03:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA18507; Sat, 5 May 2001 03:09:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105051009.DAA18507@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: OFF-TOPIC: Interview with Bjarne Stroustrup In-Reply-To: <87ae4tqg4s.fsf@juil.domain> from Ilya Martynov at "May 4, 1 07:37:55 pm" To: m_ilya@agava.com (Ilya Martynov) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 03:09:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: floripa@zoing.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Ilya Martynov wrote: > ACVJ> ---------- > ACVJ> http://www.artlung.com/smorgasborg/Invention_of_Cplusplus.html > ACVJ> ---------- > > It is quite old fake. But funny... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 5:34: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail-1.catskill.net (ns.catskill.net [205.232.250.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AD537B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 05:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyrdwulf@catskill.net) Received: from aikane.aikane.net (183.m69.one.catskill.net [209.177.43.183]) by mail-1.catskill.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id f45CXsb16317; Sat, 5 May 2001 08:33:55 -0400 Message-Id: <200105051233.f45CXsb16317@mail-1.catskill.net> From: "eric k. wolven" To: stolz@I2.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: Subject: Re: ymessenger segfaulting In-Reply-To: <20010504143948.A21098@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 08:32:18 +0106 (EDT) X-Mailer: XCmail 1.3 - with PGP support, PGP engine version 0.5 (FreeBSD) X-Mailerorigin: http://www.fsai.fh-trier.de/~schmitzj/Xclasses/XCmail/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Volker: I'm so new that I don't know how to do ktrace...:>) I do get: "aikane (name of my box) /kernel pid 1663 exiting on signal 11 (core dump)" I apparently get the segfault when ymessenger actually connects to the server. However, I'm checking out the config of dependencies to see if they have anything to do with it... Thanks for any help you can give me with the poverty of information I'm supplying... Eric (who is wrestling with the intricacies of the ktrace function) ---Reply to mail from Volker Stolz about ymessenger segfaulting > In local.freebsd-stable, you wrote: >>I noticed that since I "upgraded" (make world, etc) to 4.3 (as of >>4/29), ymessenger (0.93) is >>segfaulting. > > Sorry, ymessenger works fine here on 4.3-S. Can you send the last > couple of lines from ktracing it? > -- > Abstrakte Syntaxtr=E4ume. > Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de * PGP + S/MIME > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ---End reply To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 5:54:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1950037B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 05:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id FAA14268 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 05:54:38 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda14266; Sat May 5 05:54:19 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f45CsDt49662 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 05:54:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdQ49660; Sat May 5 05:53:17 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f45CrHW01020 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 05:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105051253.f45CrHW01020@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdKC1015; Sat May 5 05:52:51 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 May 2001 00:58:39 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 05:52:51 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Go rdon Tetlow writes: > On Fri, 4 May 2001, Nick Sayer wrote: > > > Mike Smith wrote: > > > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> Why 'soft update' is not default? > > >> It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces > > > performance (significantly). > > > > > Why wouldn't a similar requirement (disabling write caching) apply to > > non-softupdates filesystems? The disk doesn't know whether the write is > > synchronous or not, after all. > > That's the thing about it. If you have write-caching enabled then all bets > are off in any case (ie, you might as well run in async). In addition, > soft updates does some really smart things even over async. I sense (maybe incorrectly, so forgive me if I sense wrong) that people think that w/o softupdates turned on that FreeBSD performs sync writes. By default the *BSDs perform synchronous metadata (SMD) writes. That means that metadata, e.g. inode and directory writes are synchronously written, while the data itself is asynchronously written. Softupdates orders the metadata writes in such a manner that batches of metadata writes, each batch being synchronously written, are asynchronously written out. The data itself, e.g. user data, is asynchronously written out when SMD or softupdates is used. If you have a critical database, it is no more protected by softupdates than SMD. In that case a DBMS would need to issue fsync() after each commit or the filesystem would have to be mounted synchronously. Of course as Gordon writes above, all bets are off if your disk does write-caching. There is an excellent paper entitled, Soft Updates: A Solution to the Metadata Update Problem in File Systems, by Gergory R. Granger and Yale N. Patt at EECS, University of Michigan. The paper is at http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/papers/CSE-TR-254-95/. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 6: 2:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811537B42C for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 06:02:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f45D2bb94999 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 07:02:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 07:02:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <200105051253.f45CrHW01020@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > Of course as Gordon writes above, all bets are off if your disk does > write-caching. I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with WCE, aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write the data out eventually, even if the system crashes? This assumes that we aren't talking about a power failure, here, but if it is an external drive array with dual power supplies, at least one battery backed, it doesn't matter even if the compuer power is cut, the drive should still eventually flush out it's cache, shouldn't it? (Ideal world, of course, I know.... What if the SCSI bus wedges a drive?) > There is an excellent paper entitled, Soft Updates: A Solution to the > Metadata Update Problem in File Systems, by Gergory R. Granger and Yale > N. Patt at EECS, University of Michigan. The paper is at > http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/papers/CSE-TR-254-95/. Sounds interesting... I'm going to have to go take a look.... Later....... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 9:31:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682AA37B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45GV9c20530 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sat, 5 May 2001 09:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45GV9u20820; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:31:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3AF42ACD.5000500@quack.kfu.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:31:09 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010411 X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Russell Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Russell wrote: > On Sat, 5 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > >> Of course as Gordon writes above, all bets are off if your disk does >> write-caching. > > > I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with WCE, > aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write the data out > eventually, even if the system crashes? Yes. But that assumption is flawed. > > This assumes that we aren't talking about a power failure, here, but if it > is an external drive array with dual power supplies, at least one battery > backed, it doesn't matter even if the compuer power is cut, the drive > should still eventually flush out it's cache, shouldn't it? That may be the original intent, but cheap IDE drives let you turn on write caching, and they're for sure not battery-backed (nor do they attempt to store enough power at power-off to write back the cache with the remaining rotational latency or any such trickery). They lie about it. Write caching is evil unless you specifically know that it's being battery backed. 99.44% of the time, that's not the case. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 9:33:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FB9637B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 09:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.178.158]) by realtime.net ; Sat, 05 May 2001 10:31:41 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f45FWiS16128; Sat, 5 May 2001 10:32:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 10:32:44 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: cornwall@intelos.net, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd 4.2 Stable Message-ID: <20010505103244.B16101@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cornwall@intelos.net on Sat, May 05, 2001 at 02:43:10AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I am trying to get Netscape up and running on Freebsd 4.2. Each time I do > a build and try and run the program I get an error message saying "ld.so > error can't find libXt.so.6.0" > Which Netscape? The one for Linux, BSDI or FreeBSD? If for FreeBSD, do you have the 3.x compatability packages installed? Also, for the FreeBSD browser, you may need to assign LD_LIBRARY_PATH to be the same as LD_LIBRARY_PATH_AOUT within the netscape shell in /usr/local/bin. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 10:26: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E90237B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 10:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pekkas@netcore.fi) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f45HPv221332 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 20:25:58 +0300 Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 20:25:57 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Subject: 4.3-S: No buffer space available Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Running on 4.3-S on Dual P3/866 (self-compiled for SMP, dummynet etc.): [root@xxx /root] # snmpwalk xxx yyy snmpwalk: Failure in sendto (No buffer space available) [root@xxx /root] # netstat -m 8012/8576/65536 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 6581 mbufs allocated to data 1431 mbufs allocated to packet headers 6300/6682/16384 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 15508 Kbytes allocated to network (31% of mb_map in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines [root@xxx /root] # sysctl kern | grep files kern.maxfiles: 16424 kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 kern.openfiles: 2709 --- last pid: 84147; load averages: 0.52, 0.66, 0.61 up 0+01:38:21 13:12:34 713 processes: 12 running, 688 sleeping, 13 stopped CPU states: 14.1% user, 0.0% nice, 20.7% system, 4.0% interrupt, 61.3% idle Mem: 516M Active, 316M Inact, 134M Wired, 37M Cache, 112M Buf, 1664K Free Swap: 1024M Total, 92K Used, 1024M Free --- Pushing through 20 Mbit/s steady as we speak. This seems to have been mentioned in the beginning of April with no clear resolution. A few kernel options mentioned in the posts: --- cpu I686_CPU maxusers 512 options NMBCLUSTERS=16384 options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O --- This is a system with 1 GB of RAM. Network card is: fxp0: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem 0xf9000000-0xf90fffff,0xf9100000-0xf9100fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci1 What's wrong? There definitely should be enough buffers. Also: userspace froze earlier today for some odd reason; ping and traceroute responded, ipfw worked, tcp connection could be established but the daemon listening to the port never replied. Nothing in the log or the console. Ideas? Please Cc:. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 10:28:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom00.kundenserver.de (moutvdom00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D2337B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from list@rachinsky.de) Received: from [195.20.224.204] (helo=mrvdom00.schlund.de) by moutvdom00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14w5qc-0006QR-00; Sat, 5 May 2001 19:28:02 +0200 Received: from p3e9b8e21.dip.t-dialin.net ([62.155.142.33] helo=pc3) by mrvdom00.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14w5qY-0005Hf-00; Sat, 5 May 2001 19:27:59 +0200 Message-ID: <003f01c0d588$a6d947e0$0364000a@rachinsky> From: "Nicolas" To: "Nick Sayer" , "Doug Russell" Cc: "stable" References: <3AF42ACD.5000500@quack.kfu.com> Subject: Re: soft update should be default Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 19:27:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Nick Sayer" To: "Doug Russell" Cc: "stable" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: Re: soft update should be default >=20 > That may be the original intent, but cheap IDE drives let you turn on=20 > write caching, and they're for sure not battery-backed (nor do they=20 > attempt to store enough power at power-off to write back the cache = with=20 > the remaining rotational latency or any such trickery). They lie about = it. >=20 > Write caching is evil unless you specifically know that it's being=20 > battery backed. 99.44% of the time, that's not the case. How can I disable it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 11:30:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3A237B43C for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f45ITdC49030; Sat, 5 May 2001 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105051829.f45ITdC49030@earth.backplane.com> To: Doug Russell Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :> Of course as Gordon writes above, all bets are off if your disk does :> write-caching. : :I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with WCE, :aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write the data out :eventually, even if the system crashes? : :This assumes that we aren't talking about a power failure, here, but if it :is an external drive array with dual power supplies, at least one battery :backed, it doesn't matter even if the compuer power is cut, the drive :should still eventually flush out it's cache, shouldn't it? : :(Ideal world, of course, I know.... What if the SCSI bus wedges a drive?) : :> There is an excellent paper entitled, Soft Updates: A Solution to the :> Metadata Update Problem in File Systems, by Gergory R. Granger and Yale :> N. Patt at EECS, University of Michigan. The paper is at :> http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/papers/CSE-TR-254-95/. : :Sounds interesting... I'm going to have to go take a look.... : :Later....... Not only will the hard drive not be able to write the write-cached data to the media, but IDE hard drives will not guarentee write ordering either. Someone did a test a while back and found that under heavy disk loads an IDE drive could hold some of the dirty data in its cache for an indefinite period of time without writing it out. i.e. it would write out some of the dirty data but also hold some of it indefinitely, unwritten. So turning on WCE is playing with fire. WCE was mangled because the drive manufacturers were more interested in posting high transfer rate numbers for benchmarks then in keeping people's data safe. I remember when it happened... the day the drive manufacturers started using their lobotomized SCSI cores internally was the day they realized they could cache writes. Now, there is an IDE flush command. Theoretically it would be possible to write out non-conflicting sectors with WCE turned on, then flush the cache, and repeat. Theoretically it would be possible for a RAID system with its own battery backed cache to operate with WCE turned on and flush the disks before the data would be lost from its own cache. Realistically, drive manufacturers rarely test the command set the drives are supposed to support beyond making sure it works with some idiotic windows driver, so these cool commands are as likely to crash the drive then to work as advertised. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 13:24:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951437B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05658; Sat, 5 May 2001 21:24:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f45KO7Q05969; Sat, 5 May 2001 20:24:08 GMT (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: Matt Dillon Cc: Doug Russell , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: Message from Matt Dillon of "Sat, 05 May 2001 11:29:39 PDT." <200105051829.f45ITdC49030@earth.backplane.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 21:24:07 +0100 Message-ID: <5967.989094247@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This sounds as if there isn't _any_ way for the kernel (or, better, an application) to make sure that its bits have got written. Is that really true? Shouldn't the man pages for fsync(1), fsync(2), and sync(8) reflect this? sync(2) has something under "BUGS".... If this is true, it's not good. Presumably fsync(2) will get the data down the cable to the disk unit. If the CPU, kernel, etc goes toes-up a microsecond later, will my bits still hit the platter? I'm assuming I can keep the power on, which is a separate and well-understood problem. But if there's a panic and reboot, presumably there's some kind of "reset now" message sent to the disk unit (the exact details no doubt depend on the disk type). Will it write my bits or flush them? How do different disk units compare in this respect? When I started with FreeBSD, the general understanding was that people who cared about data integrity used SCSI, people who really cared used RAID on SCSI, and people who were fanatical about it used hardware SCSI-to-SCSI RAID in a separate rack unit with redundant PSUs and controllers and very high-quality cables. Is this still the received wisdom? Nick B At 2001-05-05 18:29:39+0000, Matt Dillon writes: > > :> Of course as Gordon writes above, all bets are off if your disk does > :> write-caching. > : > :I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with WCE, > :aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write the data out > :eventually, even if the system crashes? > : > :This assumes that we aren't talking about a power failure, here, but if it > :is an external drive array with dual power supplies, at least one battery > :backed, it doesn't matter even if the compuer power is cut, the drive > :should still eventually flush out it's cache, shouldn't it? > : > :(Ideal world, of course, I know.... What if the SCSI bus wedges a drive?) > : > :> There is an excellent paper entitled, Soft Updates: A Solution to the > :> Metadata Update Problem in File Systems, by Gergory R. Granger and Yale > :> N. Patt at EECS, University of Michigan. The paper is at > :> http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~ganger/papers/CSE-TR-254-95/. > : > :Sounds interesting... I'm going to have to go take a look.... > : > :Later....... > > Not only will the hard drive not be able to write the write-cached > data to the media, but IDE hard drives will not guarentee write > ordering either. Someone did a test a while back and found that > under heavy disk loads an IDE drive could hold some of the dirty data > in its cache for an indefinite period of time without writing it out. > i.e. it would write out some of the dirty data but also hold some of it > indefinitely, unwritten. > > So turning on WCE is playing with fire. WCE was mangled because > the drive manufacturers were more interested in posting high transfer > rate numbers for benchmarks then in keeping people's data safe. I > remember when it happened... the day the drive manufacturers started > using their lobotomized SCSI cores internally was the day they realized > they could cache writes. > > Now, there is an IDE flush command. Theoretically it would be possible > to write out non-conflicting sectors with WCE turned on, then flush > the cache, and repeat. Theoretically it would be possible for a > RAID system with its own battery backed cache to operate with WCE > turned on and flush the disks before the data would be lost from > its own cache. > > Realistically, drive manufacturers rarely test the command set the > drives are supposed to support beyond making sure it works with some > idiotic windows driver, so these cool commands are as likely to crash > the drive then to work as advertised. > > -Matt > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 13:28:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from titan.titan-project.org (titan.titan-project.org [216.127.78.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9BC37B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:28:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Received: from localhost (cshumway@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.titan-project.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45KSVJ51802; Sat, 5 May 2001 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cshumway@titan-project.org) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Shumway To: Cc: Subject: Re: Freebsd 4.2 Stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010505132643.N8942-100000@titan.titan-project.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001 cornwall@intelos.net wrote: > I am trying to get Netscape up and running on Freebsd 4.2. Each time I do > a build and try and run the program I get an error message saying "ld.so > error can't find libXt.so.6.0" Does anyone have any suggestions? Using the > same browser in Freebsd 4.0 Stable doesn't have this problem. You need the XFree86-aout-libs installed to use Netscape. Install the XFree86-aoutlibs-3.3.3 package or install the port from /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-aoutlibs --- Christopher Shumway cshumway@titan-project.org cshumway@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 14:36:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quack.kfu.com (quack.kfu.com [205.178.90.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D92737B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:36:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from morpheus.kfu.com (morpheus.kfu.com [3ffe:1200:301b:1:2d0:b7ff:fe3f:bdd0]) by quack.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45Lacc29175 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Sat, 5 May 2001 14:36:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Received: from quack.kfu.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by morpheus.kfu.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45Lacu21111; Sat, 5 May 2001 14:36:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsayer@quack.kfu.com) Message-ID: <3AF47266.4070805@quack.kfu.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:36:38 -0700 From: Nick Sayer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010411 X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nick Barnes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: soft update should be default References: <5967.989094247@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nick Barnes wrote: > This sounds as if there isn't _any_ way for the kernel (or, better, an > application) to make sure that its bits have got written. Is that > really true? Shouldn't the man pages for fsync(1), fsync(2), and > sync(8) reflect this? sync(2) has something under "BUGS".... Sure there is. 1. Disable write-caching on your drive. Currently this is the default anyway. There is a sysctl to control it. 2. Turn off soft-updates. 3. At that point, so far as I know, sync should work correctly. > > If this is true, it's not good. Presumably fsync(2) will get the data > down the cable to the disk unit. If the CPU, kernel, etc goes toes-up > a microsecond later, will my bits still hit the platter? They will if write caching in the disk is turned off AND the write operation actually completed (that is, the drive acknowledged completion). > I'm assuming > I can keep the power on, which is a separate and well-understood > problem. But if there's a panic and reboot, presumably there's some > kind of "reset now" message sent to the disk unit (the exact details > no doubt depend on the disk type). I believe the disk write caches are only in danger if power is unexpectedly lost. If you actually halt the OS, the disk will have time to finish the writes. > Will it write my bits or flush > them? How do different disk units compare in this respect? > > When I started with FreeBSD, the general understanding was that people > who cared about data integrity used SCSI, people who really cared used > RAID on SCSI, and people who were fanatical about it used hardware > SCSI-to-SCSI RAID in a separate rack unit with redundant PSUs and > controllers and very high-quality cables. Is this still the received > wisdom? I think with write-caching turned off and softupdates anyone should be happy unless they really require transactional recording (that is, if a transaction is acknowledged, then it must not ever be lost). Those folks should probably be running Oracle on a raw partition or some such. :-) With softupdates and no write-cache, I was able to start an untar of the ports tree (truly one of the worst-case scenarios -- lots of directories and tiny files), press RESET and come back up without much hassle. The net result of the fsck was that the filesystem was recovered to an exact moment in time slightly before when I actually hit RESET. That is, the metadata cache lagged behind realtime slightly, but was maintained perfectly. The cutoff between the preserved state and the lost state was perfectly temporal. That's why I would suggest those interested in transaction assurance not use softupdates. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15: 5:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cfw.com (flanders.ntelos.net [216.12.0.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C359B37B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cornwall@intelos.net) Received: (qmail 8910 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 18:05:41 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by flanders.intelos.net with SMTP; 5 May 2001 18:05:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:05:41 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Bruce Burden Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freebsd 4.2 Stable In-Reply-To: <20010505103244.B16101@tigerfish2.my.domain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bruce, I used the netscape for Freebsd, and haven't done anything differently with freebsd version 4.2 than I did with 4.0. I didn't have any problems when downloading the latest version of netscape and gziping and installing when using 4.0, however, when doing a fresh install of 4.2 freebsd and doig the same, I get the error message. Thank you, John On Sat, 5 May 2001, Bruce Burden wrote: > > > > > I am trying to get Netscape up and running on Freebsd 4.2. Each time I do > > a build and try and run the program I get an error message saying "ld.so > > error can't find libXt.so.6.0" > > > Which Netscape? The one for Linux, BSDI or FreeBSD? If for > FreeBSD, do you have the 3.x compatability packages installed? > Also, for the FreeBSD browser, you may need to assign LD_LIBRARY_PATH > to be the same as LD_LIBRARY_PATH_AOUT within the netscape shell > in /usr/local/bin. > > Bruce > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:13:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.uninet.ee (smtp.uninet.ee [194.204.0.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1166C37B42C for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mauri@inspiral.net) Received: from inspiral.net (tigris-isdn-108.uninet.ee [194.204.61.108]) by smtp.uninet.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981892580C for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 00:13:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 00:10:41 +0300 From: Lauri Laupmaa X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ISN number prediction ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6FAD5A09A8FD7F9E74579127" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --------------6FAD5A09A8FD7F9E74579127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html points out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems to be considerably weaker than linux-2.2's... Any comments about this ? -- L. On sul minut aega ? --------------6FAD5A09A8FD7F9E74579127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi

As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html points out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems to be considerably weaker than linux-2.2's...

Any comments about this ?
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  --------------6FAD5A09A8FD7F9E74579127-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:16:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FCB37B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:16:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C5F5666E1F; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:16:09 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? Message-ID: <20010505151609.A8420@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net>; from mauri@inspiral.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:10:41AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:10:41AM +0300, Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > Hi >=20 > As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html > points out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems > to be considerably weaker than linux-2.2's... >=20 > Any comments about this ? Read the advisory we already released about this. Kris --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE69HupWry0BWjoQKURApbDAKDhL3BjVkwO/IQD9WTlviW8po61vACgqIz7 GYwoacO6MQSW+V6ewZlHrKY= =Kyq4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --5mCyUwZo2JvN/JJP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:21: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89BF37B628 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdf.lists@fxp.org) Received: by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix, from userid 1501) id 5E9AF1360C; Sat, 5 May 2001 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:21:00 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? Message-ID: <20010505182100.A56955@peitho.fxp.org> References: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net>; from mauri@inspiral.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:10:41AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:10:41AM +0300, Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > Hi >=20 > As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html > points out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems > to be considerably weaker than linux-2.2's... >=20 > Any comments about this ? >=20 Perhaps you missed the recent FreeBSD security advisory: http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D0+0+current/freebsd-security= -notifications and the CERT advisory: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-09.html which explain that this has been corrected... --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjr0fMsACgkQObaG4P6BelBBMwCfa+x6vDO8tH9pS5DZJqnVkLsC O+sAoJ2IMtNDixxKGCJ7RCiDTllKfoSt =7mTg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:27:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08D337B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:27:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010505222723.CVYN22926.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:27:23 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF47E4A.4A54EB0C@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:27:22 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? References: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > > Hi > > As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html points > out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems to be > considerably weaker than linux-2.2's... > I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone care to help me? -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:31:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B5437B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:31:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wAZw-0000fg-00; Sun, 06 May 2001 10:31:08 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" , "Lauri Laupmaa" Cc: Subject: RE: ISN number prediction ? Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:30:37 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3AF47E4A.4A54EB0C@math.missouri.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the :: right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. :: But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone :: care to help me? -O To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:42:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA4437B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f45MgBc24741; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105052242.f45MgBc24741@ptavv.es.net> To: Nick Sayer Cc: Doug Russell , stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 May 2001 09:31:09 PDT." <3AF42ACD.5000500@quack.kfu.com> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 15:42:11 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:31:09 -0700 > From: Nick Sayer > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > That may be the original intent, but cheap IDE drives let you turn on > write caching, and they're for sure not battery-backed (nor do they > attempt to store enough power at power-off to write back the cache with > the remaining rotational latency or any such trickery). They lie about it. > > Write caching is evil unless you specifically know that it's being > battery backed. 99.44% of the time, that's not the case. An obvious exception is the laptop. I always turn on write cache on my laptop as I know that it has a LONG battery backup. For a worst-case type of operation (dd), I get 4x faster writes with write-cache enabled on my laptop. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:43:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7741437B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010505224345.DFYX22926.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:43:45 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF4821F.20BC4366@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:43:43 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Lauri Laupmaa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > > :: I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the > :: right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. > :: But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone > :: care to help me? > > -O I that was what it was, but it doesn't seem to be working now. Maybe it needs to know what the OS is in order to figure this out. When I run nmap I get No exact OS matches for host ......... suggesting that nmap cannot figure out any more that it is FreeBSD (probably because of the new TCP software in the kernel). -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:45:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951C737B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1D5B66C55; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:45:52 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Lauri Laupmaa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? Message-ID: <20010505154552.A60002@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AF46C50.640F6C20@inspiral.net> <3AF47E4A.4A54EB0C@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="AhhlLboLdkugWU4S" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF47E4A.4A54EB0C@math.missouri.edu>; from stephen@math.missouri.edu on Sat, May 05, 2001 at 05:27:22PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 05, 2001 at 05:27:22PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > >=20 > > Hi > >=20 > > As this analysis http://razor.bindview.com/publish/papers/tcpseq.html p= oints > > out FreeBSD 4 ISN number generation 'is not impressive' It seems to be > > considerably weaker than linux-2.2's... > >=20 >=20 > I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the > right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. > But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone > care to help me? Please remember that this is a complicated issue which can't be easily quantified with a single number; nmap can be used as a guide to sequence number predictability, but it's not the whole story. Kris --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE69IKfWry0BWjoQKURAuLaAKCaS6ORUnb2hZ2wDnKq0aT3q4RWGgCg7r/7 tDnFUisFtXR9lhhVTISMA+8= =pafb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --AhhlLboLdkugWU4S-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:46: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (babyviolence.com [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC26F37B61D for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from skinflutei32jg (windows.box [64.3.150.191]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778861363D; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00d201c0d5b5$fcb6d010$bf960340@skinflutei32jg> From: "Jason DiCioccio" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" , "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Lauri Laupmaa" , References: <3AF4821F.20BC4366@math.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:51:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG perhaps -v in combo with the -O? for example: nmap -sT -v -O -F ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Lauri Laupmaa" ; Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? > Juha Saarinen wrote: > > > > :: I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the > > :: right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. > > :: But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone > > :: care to help me? > > > > -O > > I that was what it was, but it doesn't seem to be working now. > Maybe it needs to know what the OS is in order to figure this out. > When I run nmap I get > > No exact OS matches for host ......... > > suggesting that nmap cannot figure out any more that it is FreeBSD > (probably because of the new TCP software in the kernel). > > > > > -- > Stephen Montgomery-Smith > stephen@math.missouri.edu > http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:47:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C1237B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wApH-0000gO-00; Sun, 06 May 2001 10:46:59 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" Cc: "Lauri Laupmaa" , Subject: RE: ISN number prediction ? Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:46:28 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3AF4821F.20BC4366@math.missouri.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I that was what it was, but it doesn't seem to be working now. :: Maybe it needs to know what the OS is in order to figure this out. :: When I run nmap I get :: :: No exact OS matches for host ......... :: :: suggesting that nmap cannot figure out any more that it is FreeBSD :: (probably because of the new TCP software in the kernel). Same here (against a 4.2-STABLE box): TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments Difficulty=38177 (Worthy challenge) No OS matches for host (If you know what OS is running on it, see http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/nmap-submit.cgi). TCP/IP fingerprint: TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=7E12) TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=3CF6) TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=9521) T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=403D%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MNWNNT) T2(Resp=N) T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=403D%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=MNWNNT) T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T5(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=) T6(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=) PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=0%IPLEN=38%RIPTL=148%RID=E%RIPCK=E%UCK=0%ULEN=134%DAT=E) (NMAP 2.53) -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:51: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us (btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us [206.129.5.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A00937B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennisg@software-munitions.com) Received: from localhost (dennisg@localhost) by btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f45Moi001111; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dennisg@software-munitions.com) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dennis Glatting X-X-Sender: To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Dennis Glatting , Subject: Re: pgm to kill 4.3 via vm In-Reply-To: <20010505154315.G18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Message-ID: <20010505154808.Y1076-100000@btw.plaintalk.bellevue.wa.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Dennis Glatting [010505 14:38] wrote: > > > > I wrote a trivial program to fill vm and found I can reliably freeze my > > system. It may not work on the first attempt, but certainly within three. > > My command line is: > > > > a.out&;a.out&;a.out&;a.out&;a.out& > > > > The goal of my program is simply to see how the system behaves under > > memory exhaustion which, as it turns out on two similar systems, the > > systems freeze. Specifically, I can switch between consoles but the login > > prompts do not respond and the system does not respond on the network. > > > > I am running 4.3 on a dual processor system. > > > > Below are some things. First, the program. Second, dmesg. Finally, my > > /etc/rc.config. > > > > LOL > > There's no reason to cc two lists. > > You've obviously not bothered to read manpages on setting up system > limits, please do so. > Why is it expected behaviour for a system to freeze, thus requiring a power cycle, regardless of system limit settings? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 15:56:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A895E37B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 15:56:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f45NF1m95922; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:15:01 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:15:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Nick Sayer Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <3AF42ACD.5000500@quack.kfu.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Nick Sayer wrote: > > I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with WCE, > > aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write the > > data out eventually, even if the system crashes? > > Yes. But that assumption is flawed. As I said before... In THEORY, in a perfect world. :) My point is... This is a hardware limitation, not something specific to softupdates. I you enable write caching, write some data to the drive, then cut the power before it writes the data, I wouldn't call it softupdates fault. :) > Write caching is evil unless you specifically know that it's being > battery backed. 99.44% of the time, that's not the case. YES! MOST CERTAINLY! Don't get me wrong here. I never enable write caching unless the drive contains scratch data (obj tree, temporary video or audio files, etc.) or if I have both drive power supplies plugged in, with one on a UPS. This isn't so easy on an internal drive, especially and IDE disk. It still isn't softupdates that's the problem, it is that someone's enabling write caching in an environment where it is not safe to do so. Hmmm. This makes me thing of a nifty new product. A small battery system for your hard disks that sits in a drive bay, perhaps. It would be very easy to build some of those. Later...... P.S. DEC Storageworks external SCSI chassis are often available from surplus computer dealers for next to nothing. (They only do 40 meg/sec UW). Great for those of us mere mortals who can't afford nice brand new U160 RAID cages. :) I've got three attached to my home workstation right now, and it's the only way I'd even THINK of turning on the WC in any of my drives. I've got about 20 of these, and I know somewhere that had pallets of them last time I was there, if anyone is interested, e-mail me directly and I'll check and see if they have any right now for you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 16: 8:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E3C37B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:08:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010505230849.DUON22926.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:08:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF48801.1331189C@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 18:08:49 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ISN number prediction ? References: <3AF4821F.20BC4366@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Juha Saarinen wrote: > > > > :: I remember that if you run the program nmap on your server with the > > :: right flags, that it will give its opinion on how good this is. > > :: But I don't remember the right sequence of flags to do this - anyone > > :: care to help me? > > Yes, it is -O -v. As someone else suggested, it is just a number, but it is much much much higher than it used to be. Interestingly, before the TCP changes, the numbers used to depend upon how far away the computer being checked was from the computer running nmap. I guess it is reasonable that the faster the IP stuff gets sent, the smaller the time between the number generation, and hence the less random will seen the sequencing. Now the score that nmap gives of FreeBSD seems pegged on the max setting. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 16:27:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1D537B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:27:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f45NlZa95984; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:47:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:47:35 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Matt Dillon Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <200105051829.f45ITdC49030@earth.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > Not only will the hard drive not be able to write the write-cached > data to the media, but IDE hard drives will not guarentee write > ordering either. Someone did a test a while back and found that > under heavy disk loads an IDE drive could hold some of the dirty data > in its cache for an indefinite period of time without writing it out. > i.e. it would write out some of the dirty data but also hold some of it > indefinitely, unwritten. Blech. IDE. Need I say more? :) (Yes, I do have some IDE disks, but I prefer SCSI. Don't we all? :) ) I don't have WCE on any IDE disk i can think of, but I don't normally run it on my SCSIs, either, unless I specifically need the write speed. > So turning on WCE is playing with fire. WCE was mangled because > the drive manufacturers were more interested in posting high transfer > rate numbers for benchmarks then in keeping people's data safe. I > remember when it happened... the day the drive manufacturers started > using their lobotomized SCSI cores internally was the day they realized > they could cache writes. Yes, yes, yes! No argument there. People should realize what they are doing by enabling the write cache, softupdates or no softupdates. > Now, there is an IDE flush command. Theoretically it would be possible > to write out non-conflicting sectors with WCE turned on, then flush > the cache, and repeat. Theoretically it would be possible for a > RAID system with its own battery backed cache to operate with WCE > turned on and flush the disks before the data would be lost from > its own cache. This was my only point/question. The blanket statement that "Softupdates Does Not Work With WCE" is very misleading. Enabling the write cache is always dangerous if it isn't done in the correct environment. (For me, that means either scratch data, or battery backed disks, or both.) An individual's requirements will vary, thus YMMV. :) > Realistically, drive manufacturers rarely test the command set the > drives are supposed to support beyond making sure it works with some > idiotic windows driver, so these cool commands are as likely to crash > the drive then to work as advertised. Isn't that the truth! Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 16:47:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nero.transactionsite.com (nero.transactionsite.com [203.14.245.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC1D637B423 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janm@transactionware.com) Received: (qmail 54461 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haym) (192.168.1.9) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 5 May 2001 23:41:51 -0000 Message-ID: <00b601c0d5bd$42ba1340$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> From: "Jan Mikkelsen" To: "Doug Russell" , "Matt Dillon" Cc: "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: soft update should be default Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 09:43:59 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Russell wrote: >On Sat, 5 May 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > >> Not only will the hard drive not be able to write the write-cached >> data to the media, but IDE hard drives will not guarentee write >> ordering either. Someone did a test a while back and found that >> under heavy disk loads an IDE drive could hold some of the dirty data >> in its cache for an indefinite period of time without writing it out. >> i.e. it would write out some of the dirty data but also hold some of it >> indefinitely, unwritten. > >Blech. IDE. Need I say more? :) >(Yes, I do have some IDE disks, but I prefer SCSI. Don't we all? :) ) >I don't have WCE on any IDE disk i can think of, but I don't normally run >it on my SCSIs, either, unless I specifically need the write speed. Good write speed is possible without using write cache by using tagged command queueing. Have you measured tagged command queueing vs. write cache for write speed on your SCSI drives? I get about the same (~23MB/sec) on an IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither option, it is terrible, of course. The question is how much performance the write ordering constraints in the softupdates protocol removes. I have no idea, and I'm sure it would depend on all sorts of stuff. Hopefully, aggregate throughput would be high, even if individual operations were slow. Jan Mikkelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 16:50:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.frontier.net (frontier.net [199.45.141.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C3B37B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 16:50:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cewatts@frontier.net) Received: from eggplant.frontier.net (cewatts.static.frontier.net [199.45.201.52]) by mail.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 581C33EE821; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:50:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:53:20 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) From: Charlie Watts To: Jan Mikkelsen Cc: Doug Russell , Matt Dillon , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <00b601c0d5bd$42ba1340$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: cewatts@newmail.frontier.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: > Good write speed is possible without using write cache by using tagged > command queueing. Have you measured tagged command queueing vs. write cache > for write speed on your SCSI drives? I get about the same (~23MB/sec) on an > IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither > option, it is terrible, of course. I see the same behaviour on one of those disks, too. But - aren't IBM's DTLA-series disks the only IDE drives that support TCQ? [ It's a -very- SCSI-feeling feature, in my mind. ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 17:12:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBD737B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:12:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f460XdG96096; Sat, 5 May 2001 18:33:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:33:38 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Kevin Oberman Cc: stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <200105052242.f45MgBc24741@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Kevin Oberman wrote: > An obvious exception is the laptop. I always turn on write cache on my > laptop as I know that it has a LONG battery backup. For a worst-case > type of operation (dd), I get 4x faster writes with write-cache > enabled on my laptop. Unless you are running on battery power and accidentally remove the battery, or forget about the machine while running without APM enabled or something. :) WCE very dangerous. WCE very dangerous. WCE very dangerous. Perhaps people should have to type that a few times before enabling. :) Maybe NO FUTURE... :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 17:33:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.volant.org (dickson.phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B96D37B42C for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG) Received: from asimov.phoenix.volant.org ([205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #8) id 14wCU5-0007V4-00; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:33:13 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by asimov.phoenix.volant.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02998; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 17:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG Subject: Theory -vs- practice Was: soft update should be default To: Doug Russell Cc: stable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 5-May-01 at 15:56, Doug Russell (drussell@saturn-tech.com) wrote: > > > I still don't totally understand this. In the case of a drive with > > > WCE, aren't we always assuming that the drive will correctly write > > > the data out eventually, even if the system crashes? > > > > Yes. But that assumption is flawed. > > As I said before... In THEORY, in a perfect world. :) From the "I wish I'd said that" archives: In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is no similarity. -Pat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 17:45:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F58737B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wC59-0000k7-00; Sun, 06 May 2001 12:07:27 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Doug Russell" , "Matt Dillon" Cc: "freebsd-stable" Subject: RE: soft update should be default Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:06:55 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Yes, yes, yes! No argument there. People should realize what they are :: doing by enabling the write cache, softupdates or no softupdates. In my experience, very few people even know that there is such a thing as a write-cache setting on hard drives. Also, most hard drives today ship with write-caching enabled, without tools to turn it off. Someone mentioned a sysctl that can be used to turn off drive write-caching... which one is it? I asked my friend Daryl Jay, who as the tech manager of a systems integrator has had plenty of experience with hard drives in various situations, about write caching. Daryl says WCE has always been a problem; Windows 9x and ME can suffer file system corruption with IDE hard drives that have large caches, as they can become corrupted during an APM/ACPI shutdown -- MS issued a patch to for Win98SE and WinME, but not fo the older variants, that increases the delay before power-off to permit the cache contents to be written out. He also confirms that if you have a SCSI RAID controller with onboard cache, and set WCE for the drives / array as a whole, you have to have a UPS or a battery to avoid f/s corruption. However, a transaction / journalled file system such as NTFS, XFS and ReiserFS goes a long way towards mitigating the effects of incomplete cache write-outs. OTOH, FAT16/32 and Linux Ext2fs are very vulnerable in this respect. No idea how UFS w/ or w/o softupdates performs here, unfortunately. Daryl says that IBM drives are less likely to cause corruption, as they shipped with a decently-sized power capacitor which in most cases will have enough power to complete the cache write-out. This doesn't help with caching SCSI controllers, obviously. IBM used to ship all its drives with WCE set to off, and charged a fee to have the drive "AV optimised", which was just a simple procedure to turn WCE on. As of 2-3 years ago, all IBM drives are shipped with WCE on, however. The performance drop you see when you turn off WCE is substantial. Daryl and a customer tested a 36GB IBM Scorpion with and without WCE... without, they got 3.2MBps average sustained DTR across the disk, with, 17.8MBps. Just a few datapoints, in case anyone's interested... I think this should be documented in the manual. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 17:47: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092C137B424 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 17:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcolz@stack.nl) Received: from toad.stack.nl (toad.ipv6.stack.nl [2001:610:1108:5010:200:e8ff:fe55:346d]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B90F3D80B; Sun, 6 May 2001 02:47:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: by toad.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 333) id 748269815; Sun, 6 May 2001 02:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 02:47:02 +0200 From: Marc Olzheim To: "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" Cc: 'Hajimu UMEMOTO' , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? Message-ID: <20010506024702.A56695@stack.nl> References: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373C0@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373C0@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se>; from Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:15:19AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD toad.stack.nl 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC X-URL: http://www.stack.nl/~marcolz/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Sorry for not including all relevant info: > > 1. I have a valid (Solaris) BIND9 IPv6 server running on the address listed > 2. I made bind-9.1.1 in /usr/ports/net/bind9 on "client" FreeBSD machine. > > Should that be enough to be able to put IPv6 addresses in resolv.conf now ? It works for programs that use the resolv functions from libc... However, because it is not allowed by the original spec of resolv.conf, programs that parse it themselves might screw up... Zlo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 21: 2: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from c000.sfo.cp.net (c004-h006.c004.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77FEB37B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 21:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from psglenn@uswestmail.net) Received: (cpmta 14357 invoked from network); 5 May 2001 21:02:03 -0700 Date: 5 May 2001 21:02:03 -0700 Message-ID: <20010506040203.14356.cpmta@c000.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 May 2001 04:02:03 GMT Received: from [64.40.57.119] by mail.uswestmail.net with HTTP; 05 May 2001 21:02:03 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org From: psglenn@uswestmail.net X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.7.1.9 Subject: Re:ISN number prediction Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Jason DiCioccio wrote >perhaps -O with -v flags big> uname -a FreeBSD big.psf.his.org 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #11: Thu May 3 17:26:03 PDT 2001 root@big.psf.his.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/BIG i386 root@big> nmap -O -v big Starting nmap V. 2.54BETA22 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Host big.psf.his.org (192.168.0.1) appears to be up ... good. Initiating Connect() Scan against big.psf.his.org (192.168.0.1) No exact OS matches for host (If you know what OS is running on it, see http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/nmap-submit.cgi). TCP/IP fingerprint: SInfo(V=2.54BETA22%P=i386--freebsd4.3%D=5/5%Time=3AF4CA3C%O=21%C=1) TSeq(Class=TR%IPID=I%TS=U) T1(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=C08A%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=M) T2(Resp=N) T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=C08A%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=M) T4(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T5(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S++%Flags=AR%Ops=) T6(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=O%Flags=R%Ops=) T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%Flags=AR%Ops=) PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=0%IPLEN=38%RIPTL=148%RID=E%RIPCK=E%UCK=0%ULEN=134%DAT=E) TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=truly random Difficulty=9999999 (Good luck!) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IPID Sequence Generation: Incremental Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 18 seconds the above dificulty seems reasonable to me. PS Glenn That's all for now. Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 5 21:22:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A18837B422 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 21:22:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f464pNU96491 for ; Sat, 5 May 2001 22:51:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 22:51:23 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <00b601c0d5bd$42ba1340$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: > Good write speed is possible without using write cache by using tagged > command queueing. Have you measured tagged command queueing vs. write cache > for write speed on your SCSI drives? I get about the same (~23MB/sec) on an > IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither > option, it is terrible, of course. I've found that the performance depends mainly on the overall design of the drive itself. (Well, duh, right? :) ) On many applications, performance shouldn't be significantly faster with the cache enabled. For example, out of my 4GB UW drives, one might think from quick testing that the two stupid Micropolis Tomahawks I have are reasonably quick drives. This may well be because they always do some kind of bogus write caching, even when supposedly disabled, as these drives are great examples of ones that don't actually support the FORMAT UNIT `command. They just accept the command, wait about 45 seconds with the light on, then return the command as completed without error. However, if you start comparison testing at all, you realize how surprisingly dumb they really are. I rarely WCE any of my Seagate ST15150Ws, and I don't ever recall seeing a significant increase in speed on any application I've used them for. I've enabled the WCE when doing some video editing, etc. but I've always actually been constrained by some other bottleneck, not the actual speed the data was blasting to the platters. (Besides, on applications like this a write cache won't help much... Multiple heavy access, maybe, but if the OS is doing reasonable buffering, it should be able to do as good (if not better) a job of getting the data to the drive in the correct (desired) order. At least with a SCSI drive, anyway.... Consider block X, which the OS is waiting to write. Block X is then modified again. If block X were written to the drive right away, WCE or not, we still have to send that block all the way to the disk, then write it again. If the first block X was still dirty in the cache when the second write came, hopefully the drive is smart enough just to update what should be written to block X (if WCE is enabled), but not necessarily. On the other hand, if the OS only writes block X out once, because it knew it had changed before it decided it should be written to disk (hopefully because it was passing by anyway). IDE disks will show a larger performance boost with WCE because they usually can't write a continuous stream of data to the disk without wasting at least part of a rotation due to the small maximum transfer sizes and huge cylinders. They attempt to interleave these drives correctly, but with such a huge variety of possible applications these days, I have a feeling it doesn't really work very well. I'd still argue that your data is basically just as unsafe all the time on one of these drives, when not battery backed, regardless of whether softupdates is enabled. Of course, I also do nasty things to my IDE disks like unmount them, turn the power off via the key on a cheap-o removable chassis, then yank them out, swap them around, etc. FreeBSD isn't supposed to have hot-swap IDE support, but if a drive was detected at boot, it works. :) Soren's ATA driver is much more well behaved than the old WD driver about such things, also. :) Warning! Warning! Not a recommended procedure! Know what you are doing if you try anything like this, and disable the W/C. Warning! Warning! Not a recommended procedure! See? I must be crazy. :) > The question is how much performance the write ordering constraints in the > softupdates protocol removes. I have no idea, and I'm sure it would depend > on all sorts of stuff. Hopefully, aggregate throughput would be high, even > if individual operations were slow. The problem is that all of this depends on all sorts of stuff. I just wish more people knew what was really going on in their system. :) sync && sync && sync && sync..... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message