From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 0:19:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7F837B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:19:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-007dcwashp290.dialsprint.net ([63.178.90.156] helo=moo.holy.cow) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SDCV-0002jP-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:19:43 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D0FAC50B8C; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:21:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 03:21:00 -0500 From: parv To: f-stable Subject: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: f-stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my question is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my tree? for example, i want to sync "src" to 4.5-rc2 but not current -stable. what date will it be, then, for 4.5-rc2? i read "RELNOTES" and "README" at... ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC2/ ...couldn't find anything (or, i missed). - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 0:43:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EFA37B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32327 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 08:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO helios.dub.net) ([216.27.176.75]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Jan 2002 08:42:58 -0000 Received: by helios.dub.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 649CE312A; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:42:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:42:58 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: parv Cc: f-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120084258.GA12485@helios.dub.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 03:21:00 -0500, parv wrote: > i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my question > is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my tree? > > for example, i want to sync "src" to 4.5-rc2 but not current -stable. > what date will it be, then, for 4.5-rc2? > > i read "RELNOTES" and "README" at... > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC2/ > > ...couldn't find anything (or, i missed). I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE branch *is* 4.5-RC2. - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 0:52:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from poontang.schulte.org (poontang.schulte.org [209.134.156.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5660637B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from tarmap.nospam.schulte.org (tarmap.schulte.org [209.134.156.198]) by poontang.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C21D148C; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:52:30 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:52:27 -0600 To: mij@soupnazi.org, parv From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Cc: f-stable In-Reply-To: <20020120084258.GA12485@helios.dub.net> References: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:42 AM 1/20/2002 -0800, Jim Mock wrote: >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 03:21:00 -0500, parv wrote: > > i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my question > > is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my tree? > > > > for example, i want to sync "src" to 4.5-rc2 but not current -stable. > > what date will it be, then, for 4.5-rc2? > > > > i read "RELNOTES" and "README" at... > > > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC2/ > > > > ...couldn't find anything (or, i missed). > >I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE >branch *is* 4.5-RC2. I think the original poster was asking how to use cvsup to sync source tree to the exact cut of a rcX.iso..... aka how to reproduce exactly the source that was used to generate an official RC. It's going to be something like src-all date=2002.01.xx.xx.xx.xx in the supfile. That'll allow testing to happen, without needing to pull an entire .iso file. Of course, 'cvsup -> make world' is not the same as 'insert cd, install from scratch' >- jim > >-- >jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org --chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 1:58:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F2537B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:58:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sdn-ar-004dcwashp128.dialsprint.net ([206.133.21.192] helo=moo.holy.cow) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SEjg-0001GR-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:58:03 -0800 Received: by moo.holy.cow (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FFBE50B8C; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:59:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:59:18 -0500 From: parv To: Christopher Schulte Cc: mij@soupnazi.org, f-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120095918.GA1861@moo.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: Christopher Schulte , mij@soupnazi.org, f-stable References: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG in message <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org>, wrote Christopher Schulte thusly... > > At 12:42 AM 1/20/2002 -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 03:21:00 -0500, parv wrote: > >> i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my question > >> is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my tree? ... > >I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE > >branch *is* 4.5-RC2. jim, i know. but after release of the -rc2 iso image, -stable is more than just -rc2. > I think the original poster was asking how to use cvsup to sync source tree > to the exact cut of a rcX.iso..... aka how to reproduce exactly the source > that was used to generate an official RC. yes, that is exactly what i am seeking: how to find the date of sources from which the iso image is built. > It's going to be something like > > src-all date=2002.01.xx.xx.xx.xx > > in the supfile. > > That'll allow testing to happen, without needing to pull an entire > .iso file. Of course, 'cvsup -> make world' is not the same as > 'insert cd, install from scratch' i guess, it's not. then again, i am doing it for my own peace of mind, not necessarily actively testing the -rc2. - parv -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 4: 4:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tim.khabale.org (tim.khabale.org [62.4.18.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1DB37B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:04:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mulligan.khabale.org (mulligan.khabale.org [192.168.0.2]) by tim.khabale.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6880A19012 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: by mulligan.khabale.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 01F8E288; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:03:32 +0100 (CET) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Message-Id: <20020120120332.01F8E288@mulligan.khabale.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:03:32 +0100 (CET) From: raph@giromini.org (Raphael Giromini ) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 5:59:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A8B37B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 944124B65D; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:59:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:59:13 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: parv Cc: f-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120135913.GR21973@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Zrag5V6pnZGjLKiw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Zrag5V6pnZGjLKiw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:21:00AM -0500, parv wrote: > i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my > question is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my tree? >=20 > for example, i want to sync "src" to 4.5-rc2 but not current > -stable. what date will it be, then, for 4.5-rc2? We don't lay down tags for the release candidates, so there is no easy way to get the EXACT bits that we used for RC2. If you really want to try, then you can just use cvsup to pull down the sources based on a given time. The build was started about 8 hours before my announcement to this list. In general, it would be just as good if not better if you could just sync to the newest RELENG_4 (-STABLE/-RC) code, since any additional commits between RC2 and now need testing. Hope that helps. - Murray --Zrag5V6pnZGjLKiw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Ss0wtNcQog5FH30RAiQbAKCnct24kl2Pk3ECzxBauJ/9OtcA6wCeOOat X6O9cTA/bQSb9jA9TpxpOU8= =Rwzy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Zrag5V6pnZGjLKiw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 6: 4:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fem.uniag.sk (fem.uniag.sk [193.87.97.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A74F37B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 06:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lk01@localhost) by fem.uniag.sk (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0KE3T007606 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:03:29 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:03:29 +0100 (MET) From: Ladislav Kostal To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ultra160 SCSI Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true or is there some other driver with support for U160? Ladislav Kostal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 7:28:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B750237B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id g0KFSWq01387 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:28:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (hyperion.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.33]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/6) with ESMTP id g0KFSVv01380 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:28:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (margaux.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.72]) by hyperion.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA07306 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:27:07 +0100 (MET) Received: (from stolz@localhost) by margaux.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1-gb-2) id QAA11152 for stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:28:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:28:27 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Promise TX2/UDMA133 errors Message-ID: <20020120162827.A11147@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After updating from 4.5-PRELEASE to 4.5-RC1 the following errors turned up: ... ad4s2f: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 27561419 of 3308872-3308935 (ad4s2 bn 27561419; cn 1715 tn 157 sn 53) retrying ad4s2a: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 20758395 of 137760-137839 (ad4s2 bn 20758395; cn 1292 tn 38 sn 21) retrying ... The machine build world without any of these signs running the previous kernel. Unluckily, the kernel backup got wiped out, so I cannot downgrade. atapci1: port 0xb400-0xb40f,0xb000-0xb003,0xac00-0xac07,0xa800-0xa803,0xa400-0xa407 mem 0xe0800000-0xe0803fff irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xa400 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xac00 on atapci1 ad4: 32253MB [69899/15/63] at ata2-master UDMA133 The PCI irq is shared by 3 devices, if that's got anything to do with it: vs@monster [16:19:20]> dmesg | grep "irq 11" pci1: <3Dfx Voodoo 3 graphics accelerator> at 0.0 irq 11 atapci1: port 0xb400-0xb40f,0xb000-0xb003,0xac00-0xac07,0xa800-0xa803,0xa400-0xa407 mem 0xe0800000-0xe0803fff irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci0 sym0: <810a> port 0xc400-0xc4ff mem 0xe0807000-0xe08070ff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 drm0: <3Dfx Voodoo 3 graphics accelerator> port 0x9000-0x90ff mem 0xdc000000-0xddffffff,0xd8000000-0xd9ffffff irq 11 at device 0.0 on pci1 I know there have been changes in the ata-stuff because of VIA borkedness, but this is a Gigabyte 6BXD running a single CPU. I'll get a different board (Tyan Tiger 230T) in about a week, I do not trust this board any longer. Could any of the recent changes be responsible for this? -- Wonderful \hbox (0.80312pt too nice) in paragraph at lines 16--18 Volker Stolz * stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Please use PGP or S/MIME for correspondence! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 7:46: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7438137B405 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from potentialtech.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KFbO010389; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:37:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4AE629.1000508@potentialtech.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:45:45 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ladislav Kostal Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ultra160 SCSI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ladislav Kostal wrote: > Hello, > > I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full > speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true > or is there some other driver with support for U160? You're looking at outdated information. I have three systems running U160 at full speed. I don't remember which version of FreeBSD started to support full spped U160, but if you're not running 4.4, you may want to upgrade before trying. -- Bill Moran Potential Technology http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 7:47:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vortex.wa4phy.net (pcp419987pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net [68.47.18.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CB937B41D for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from vortex.wa4phy.net (localhost.wa4phy.net [127.0.0.1]) by vortex.wa4phy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0KFlOc07764 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:47:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sam@wa4phy.net) Message-ID: <3C4AE68C.769E28E9@vortex.wa4phy.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:47:24 -0500 From: Sam Drinkard Organization: You Gotta Be Kiddin! X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Write command timeout revisited Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I updated day before yesterday, and now have begun to see the "ad0: WRITE command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting " in my syslog again. What was the general consensus about this, and did anything change between 4.5-Pre and RC-2 that would start this going again.. fwiw, the 4.5-Pre did not ever have this happen. Someone made mention of the fact that the drive is an IBM-DJNA-372200 but I don't recall what bearing this has. From my log, it appears to occur after about 0200 local, after the daily cron runs. Comments? -s To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 7:49: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F36C37B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:48:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0KFr3F56473; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:53:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:53:02 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Sam Drinkard Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Java Message-ID: <20020120155302.GB56257@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <3C48E5EF.87F873F9@vortex.wa4phy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C48E5EF.87F873F9@vortex.wa4phy.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Sam Drinkard! On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 10:20:15PM -0500, you wrote: > I just discovered I need to install java on this machine, but looking at > the ports, I see all kinds of flavors of java. Is the Linux-jdk 13/14 > fairly stable? Stated in the docs of the software I'm attempting to We are using here native port of jdk13 and it is very stable, I mean we had no unexpected crashes, strange behavour of our java programs, they run clean, smooth on all our development platforms: Windows, FreeBSD-native, linux. > bring up, says that it needs Java v1.2 or higher. The software is GDS, > a GrADS-DODS Server. Can anybody help me out here? -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 7:52: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fem.uniag.sk (fem.uniag.sk [193.87.97.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7056737B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lk01@localhost) by fem.uniag.sk (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0KFp3e10006; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:51:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:51:03 +0100 (MET) From: Ladislav Kostal To: Bill Moran Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ultra160 SCSI In-Reply-To: <3C4AE629.1000508@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: > Ladislav Kostal wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full > > speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true > > or is there some other driver with support for U160? > > You're looking at outdated information. I have three systems running U160 > at full speed. > I don't remember which version of FreeBSD started to support full spped > U160, but if you're not running 4.4, you may want to upgrade before trying. Do you use ahc (some controller from Adaptec) driver? Ladislav Kostal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 8: 1:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF6237B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:01:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0KG1eA92298; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:01:40 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:01:40 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: Bill Moran Cc: Ladislav Kostal , Subject: Re: ultra160 SCSI In-Reply-To: <3C4AE629.1000508@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: <20020120185948.C89023-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: BM> > I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full BM> > speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true BM> > or is there some other driver with support for U160? BM> BM> You're looking at outdated information. I have three systems running U160 BM> at full speed. BM> I don't remember which version of FreeBSD started to support full spped BM> U160, but if you're not running 4.4, you may want to upgrade before trying. If this is true, then src/share/man/man4/ahc.4 (rev 1.22.2.7) is a bit outdated: -- 8< -- Double Transition clocking is not yet supported for Ultra160 controllers. This limits these controllers to 40MHz or 80MB/s. -- 8< -- Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 8: 3:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2598437B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:03:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19786; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [162.62.64.10]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA22024; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 07:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hollin.btc.adaptec.com (hollin [162.62.149.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA28399; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:03:31 -0700 (MST) Received: (from scottl@localhost) by hollin.btc.adaptec.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0KG0uJ23323; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:00:56 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 09:00:56 -0700 From: Scott Long To: Ladislav Kostal Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ultra160 SCSI Message-ID: <20020120160056.GA23310@hollin.btc.adaptec.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:03:29PM +0100, Ladislav Kostal wrote: > > Hello, > > I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full > speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true > or is there some other driver with support for U160? Wow, the man is sure is outdated. Yes, the ahc driver supports full U160, and has for almost 2 years. I know this because I work for Adaptec and help maintain the driver. Thanks for bringing this up; I'll get the man page corrected right away. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 8:12:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C983C37B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 08:12:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from potentialtech.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KG3o002849; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:03:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4AEC5B.5040502@potentialtech.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:12:11 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ladislav Kostal Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ultra160 SCSI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ladislav Kostal wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: > > >>Ladislav Kostal wrote: >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>I found some notice in ahc(4) driver man page, that U160 SCSI at full >>>speed (160MB/s) is not supported (limited to 80MB/s). Is it still true >>>or is there some other driver with support for U160? >>> >>You're looking at outdated information. I have three systems running U160 >>at full speed. >>I don't remember which version of FreeBSD started to support full spped >>U160, but if you're not running 4.4, you may want to upgrade before trying. >> > > Do you use ahc (some controller from Adaptec) driver? Yes, Adaptec 29160N that uses ahc. -- Bill Moran Potential Technology http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 10:17:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D23437B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from josep.demon.co.uk ([194.222.61.233] helo=athos.ticktock.foo.uk) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16SMXK-0005QQ-0U for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:17:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (tim@localhost) by athos.ticktock.foo.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0KIHhf15348 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:17:44 GMT (envelope-from tim.spam@spicy.org.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: athos.ticktock.foo.uk: tim owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:17:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Joseph X-X-Sender: tim@athos.ticktock.foo.uk To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: HDD not detected during install (fwd) Message-ID: <20020120181611.L13126-100000@athos.ticktock.foo.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Previously posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and freebsd-questions without much joy) Hi, I have (I hope) a simple problem. I am trying to install FBSD 4.4 onto a TI Extensa 510 laptop. However, when I reach the stage where I choose what I would like done to the disk, the install program reports that it can't find the harddrive and I have to give up. (I'm doing an FTP install over a PCMCIA network card.) I have previously installed OpenBSD 2.9 straight onto this machine without any fiddling around! For info, OBSD detected the HD controller as a wdc0. OBSD dmesg attached. What can I try? Do I need to roll my own release with a new kernel to support the wdc controller? If so, how do I make my own release? Thanks in advance for your help. Please cc me in to any replies, since I'm off list! From, Tim -- To email me, please remove the ".spam" OpenBSD 2.9-stable (NEMO) #0: Sat Oct 13 01:54:01 BST 2001 root@nemo:/home/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/NEMO cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed cpu0: Intel Pentium (P54C) ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 100 MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8 real mem = 16363520 (15980K) avail mem = 13291520 (12980K) using 225 buffers containing 921600 bytes (900K) of memory mainbus0 (root) bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(ff) BIOS, date 01/01/94, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xf0210 apm0 at bios0: Power Management spec V1.1 apm0: AC on, no battery pcibios0 at bios0: rev. 2.1 @ 0xf0200/0xa00 pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 5 Interrupt Routing table entries pcibios: no compatible PCI ICU found pcibios0: Warning, unable to fix up PCI interrupt routing pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus bios0: ROM list: 0xc0000/0xb000 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 vendor 0x10b9 product 0x1511 rev 0x04 pcib0 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 vendor 0x10b9 product 0x1513 rev 0xa4 vga1 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 vendor 0x102c product 0x00d8 rev 0x00 wsdisplay0 at vga1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) pciide0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 vendor 0x10b9 product 0x5215 rev 0x01: no DMA,channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility pciide0: channel 0 ignored (other hardware responding at addresses) pciide0: channel 1 ignored (not responding; disabled or no drives?) isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 wdc0 at isa0 port 0x1f0/8 irq 14 wd0 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 0: wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 777MB, 1579 cyl, 16 head, 63 sec, 1592568 sectors wd0(wdc0:0:0): using PIO mode 4 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: sysbeep0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16 pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec pcic0 at isa0 port 0x3e0/2 iomem 0xd0000/65536 pcic0 controller 0: has sockets A and B pcmcia0 at pcic0 controller 0 socket 0 ne3 at pcmcia0 function 0 "Kingston, KNE-PC2, " port 0x200/32 irq 3 ne3: address 00:c0:f0:1c:12:34 pcmcia1 at pcic0 controller 0 socket 1 pcic0: irq 9, polling enabled biomask 4040 netmask 4048 ttymask 52ca pctr: 586-class performance counters and user-level cycle counter enabled dkcsum: wd0 matched BIOS disk 80 root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 10:43:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDB137B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752D25D0A; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:43:21 -0800 (PST) To: Miguel Mendez Cc: mikea , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashed again. In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:45:31 +0100." <20020118204548.F09C13FCAA@energyhq.homeip.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:43:21 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20020120184321.752D25D0A@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Miguel Mendez > Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:45:31 +0100 > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > > I'm going to try tomorrow with a K6-450Mhz and will post the results, but the > box has been pretty loaded today (I did a buildworld) after the fan replace. > I'll know tomorrow. Just a few comments on the K6-450. I use one at home and it works well in an ASUS mobo. But... It runs VERY hot. I have a good heat sink fan and the ASUS has temperature sensors so I could monitor heat dissipation. I would see the temp shoot up during a buildworld before I got a fatal error. If you have sensors, don't forget that they are usually UNDER the chip while the proper place to measure the temp is on top. While the chip is rated to 50C, I would regularly see it die at about 42C measured on the bottom. I pulled the heat sink and discovered it was dry. I applied a THIN layer of heat sink grease to the top of the chip and the bottom of the heat sink and re-assembled. Victory! NO further problems. And NEVER over-clock this chip! R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 10:55:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7AC37B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (kajsa.energyhq.org [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 750FB3FC1F; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:55:45 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Miguel Mendez Organization: Energy HQ To: "Kevin Oberman" Subject: Re: Crashed again. Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:55:25 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: mikea , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020120184321.752D25D0A@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20020120184321.752D25D0A@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020120185545.750FB3FC1F@energyhq.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 20 January 2002 19:43, Kevin Oberman wrote: Hello Kevin and all, As of now (19:51 of Sunday) the box has been working ok with this other CPU. I checked the old heat sink and there was still thermal paste on it, but somehow when the fan failed the cpu overheated and is now damaged (will reboot after a few hours of work) With this other cpu it seems to work ok, I did several buildworld tests and so far it seems the box is reliable again. I think the lesson is that pc fans don't last mucho more than 1.5-2 years of usage in a 7*24 box. Thanks to all that replied. > And NEVER over-clock this chip! It's now underclocked :) Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11: 0:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.robhughes.com (12-237-138-77.client.attbi.com [12.237.138.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F58E37B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 2444 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 19:00:08 -0000 Received: from hexch01.robhughes.com (192.168.1.3) by ns2.robhughes.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2002 19:00:08 -0000 Subject: hang at boot Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:00:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hang at boot Thread-Index: AcGh5LKrX6rdaC14TTOMwZiFV3IsVA== From: "Robert D. Hughes" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm getting a hang at boot now with a cvsup build from 1/16. The hang = occurs at "recovering vi sessions". A ctrl-c gets it past. Anyone else = seen this? Thanks, Rob "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds." -- Albert Einstein=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11: 3: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.kis.ru (post.kis.ru [195.98.32.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8105737B405; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:03:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from xkis.kis.ru ([195.98.32.200] verified) by post.kis.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.2) with SMTP id 267249; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:02:58 +0300 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:02:58 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Valdov X-Sender: dv@xkis.kis.ru To: sos@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ATA driver feature request Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there is UDMA-33 device at the some IDE cable? w2k works fine with this hardware configuration with ATA-100. FreeBSD limits both drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. I've an Intel motherboard D815EFV. Intel documentation for this board (FAQ section) says that it is possible to have ATA-100 and ATA-33 devices at the some IDE bus/cable. So, is it possible to make a kernel option to do not disable ATA-66/100 in such cases? May be it will be with a BIG warning, but present. Please. Dmitry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11:10:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533A137B405; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0KJAAS03716; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:10:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200201201910.g0KJAAS03716@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: To: Dmitry Valdov Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:10:10 +0100 (CET) Cc: sos@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Dmitry Valdov wrote: > Hi! > > Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there is UDMA-33 device at > the some IDE cable? The ATA driver doesn't disable UDMA100 if a UDMA33 device is on the same chain. The ATA driver disables UDMA > 33 if the device says it didn't find an 80pin cable. > w2k works fine with this hardware configuration with ATA-100. > FreeBSD limits both That is no indicator that it works, windows doesn't beat the disks nearly as hard as FreeBSD can do... > drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. > I've an Intel motherboard D815EFV. Intel documentation for this > board (FAQ section) says that it is possible to have ATA-100 and ATA-33 > devices at the some IDE bus/cable. Hmm, in most cases I've seen of this, using UDMA > 33 if the device says no leads to failures if you beat a bit on it, maybe because ti really means it :) > So, is it possible to make a kernel option to do not disable ATA-66/100 > in such cases? May be it will be with a BIG warning, but present. Please. Sure it is, I'll put it on my TODO list, but if this should be done the right way it takes more than just disabling the test... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11:11:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nelly.internal.irrelevant.org (irrelevant.demon.co.uk [158.152.220.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA3B37B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from simond by nelly.internal.irrelevant.org with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16SNMY-0001Cs-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:10:42 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:10:42 +0000 From: Simon Dick To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hang at boot Message-ID: <20020120191042.GH2218@irrelevant.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:00:16PM -0600, Robert D. Hughes wrote: > I'm getting a hang at boot now with a cvsup build from 1/16. The hang occurs at "recovering vi sessions". A ctrl-c gets it past. Anyone else seen this? That's the timeout for a DNS lookup when vi is trying to send an email saying there's a file to recover, it's nothing to do with your cvsup at all :) -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11:14:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11B037B405 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from potentialtech.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0KJ9a008170; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:09:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C4B17E4.1080702@potentialtech.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:17:56 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dmitry Valdov Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dmitry Valdov wrote: > Hi! > > Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there is UDMA-33 device at > the some IDE cable? > w2k works fine with this hardware configuration with ATA-100. Are you sure it's actually running the drive at ata-100? > FreeBSD limits both > drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. ^^^^^ Are you sure you have an 80 conductor cable and that it isn't too long? -- Bill Moran Potential Technology http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 11:28:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.kis.ru (post.kis.ru [195.98.32.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D01737B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from xkis.kis.ru ([195.98.32.200] verified) by post.kis.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.2) with SMTP id 267245; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:28:13 +0300 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:28:13 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Valdov X-Sender: dv@xkis.kis.ru To: Bill Moran Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: <3C4B17E4.1080702@potentialtech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:17:56 -0500 > From: Bill Moran > To: Dmitry Valdov > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request > > Dmitry Valdov wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there is UDMA-33 device at > > the some IDE cable? > > w2k works fine with this hardware configuration with ATA-100. > > Are you sure it's actually running the drive at ata-100? It was an Intel driver diagnostic for Intel chipset. It says that one of drives running at ATA-100 and other at ATA-33. How I can test it another way? > > > FreeBSD limits both > > drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. > ^^^^^ > > Are you sure you have an 80 conductor cable and that it isn't too long? > Yes. When I disconnect secondary (non ATA-66/100 compliant) drive from this cable, FreeBSD use ATA-100 on primary. Dmitry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 12: 2:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA07137B419 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-33qsdr9.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.55.105] helo=hole2) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SOAe-0002OW-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:02:29 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c1a1ed$eb5cc090$0100a8c0@hole2> From: "Doug Welch" To: Subject: Re:ATA driver feature request Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:06:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A1BB.9FBB8EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A1BB.9FBB8EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Dmitry Valdov wrote: > > Hi! > >=20 > > Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there is UDMA-33 = device at > > the some IDE cable? > > w2k works fine with this hardware configuration with ATA-100 Just adding my findings, I have a kenwood 72x CD slaved to a IBM 7200 ATA100 with no issues on = one box. I also have another box with yet another IBM ATA 100 with a pioneer 16x = DVD slaved and a ultra160 card with 10k drive-s and yamaha scsi = 16x10x40,teac 32x scsi and asus GTS3, tv tuner and soundblaster live. =20 Both are on MSI KT266 boards. I have not had any ATA issues. If I replace the cable on the first box to a 40 pin...my ftp speeds drop = from 11mb per sec to under 5 on my local net.(hmm cant write fast = enough?) This leads me to believe it is functioning truely at 100 speeds. That = and the simple fact it is faster than any os I have loaded on either = box. Thanks to all the developers and those who help !! FreeBSD is getting better every day. Doug Welch 4.5-PRERELEASE #1: Sat Dec 29 2 0:57:06 CST 2001 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A1BB.9FBB8EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Dmitry Valdov wrote:
> > = Hi!
>=20 >
> > Is it possible to do not disable UDMA-100 when there = is=20 UDMA-33 device at
> > the some IDE cable?
> > w2k = works fine=20 with this hardware configuration with ATA-100
 
 
Just adding my findings,
 
I have a kenwood 72x CD slaved to a IBM = 7200 ATA100=20 with no issues on one box.
I also have another box with yet = another IBM ATA=20 100 with a pioneer 16x DVD slaved and a ultra160 card with 10k drive-s = and=20 yamaha scsi 16x10x40,teac 32x scsi
and asus GTS3, tv tuner and = soundblaster=20 live. 
 
Both are on MSI KT266 boards. I have = not had any=20 ATA issues.
If I replace the cable on the = first box to a=20 40 pin...my ftp speeds drop from 11mb per sec to under 5 on my local = net.(hmm=20 cant write fast enough?)
This leads me to believe it is = functioning truely=20 at 100 speeds. That and the simple fact it is faster than any os I have = loaded=20 on either box.
 
 
Thanks to all the developers and those = who help=20 !!
FreeBSD is getting better every = day.
 
Doug Welch
 
 
 
4.5-PRERELEASE #1: Sat Dec 29 = 2
0:57:06 CST=20 2001
 
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C1A1BB.9FBB8EF0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 12: 9:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325A937B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-33qsdr9.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.55.105] helo=hole2) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SOHB-0000pn-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:14 -0800 Message-ID: <003a01c1a1ee$dcb89fe0$0100a8c0@hole2> From: "Doug Welch" To: "Doug Welch" , References: <001c01c1a1ed$eb5cc090$0100a8c0@hole2> Subject: Re: Re:ATA driver feature request Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:13:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A1BC.9112B350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A1BC.9112B350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Just adding my findings, >I have a kenwood 72x CD slaved to a IBM 7200 ATA100 with no issues on = one box. >I also have another box with yet another IBM ATA 100 with a pioneer = 16x DVD slaved and a ultra160 card with 10k drive-s and yamaha scsi = 16x10x40,teac 32x scsi and asus GTS3, tv tuner and soundblaster live. =20 >Both are on MSI KT266 boards. I have not had any ATA issues. >If I replace the cable on the first box to a 40 pin...my ftp speeds = drop from 11mb per sec to under 5 on my local net.(hmm cant write fast = enough?) >This leads me to believe it is functioning truely at 100 speeds. That = and the simple fact it is faster than any os I have loaded on either = box. >Thanks to all the developers and those who help !! >FreeBSD is getting better every day. I forgot to add that I have also slaved ATA 33 and 66 drives to the = primary drives with no issues either, above was only the current = configuration (changes daily since my employer folded :)=20 thanks, Doug ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A1BC.9112B350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>Just adding my = findings,
 
>I have a kenwood 72x CD slaved to = a IBM 7200=20 ATA100 with no issues on one box.
>I also have another box with yet = another IBM=20 ATA 100 with a pioneer 16x DVD slaved and a ultra160 card with 10k = drive-s and=20 yamaha scsi 16x10x40,teac 32x scsi
and asus GTS3, tv tuner and = soundblaster=20 live. 
 
>Both are on MSI KT266 boards. I = have not had=20 any ATA issues.
>If I replace the cable on = the first box=20 to a 40 pin...my ftp speeds drop from 11mb per sec to under 5 on my = local=20 net.(hmm cant write fast enough?)
>This leads me to believe it is = functioning=20 truely at 100 speeds. That and the simple fact it is faster than any = os I have=20 loaded on either box.
 
 
>Thanks to all the developers and = those who=20 help !!
>FreeBSD is getting better every=20 day.
 
 
 
 
I forgot to add that I have also = slaved ATA 33=20 and 66 drives to the primary drives with no issues either, above was = only the=20 current configuration (changes daily
since my employer folded :)
thanks,
Doug
------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C1A1BC.9112B350-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 13:50:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from steeltoe.niceboots.com (steeltoe.niceboots.com [208.25.85.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93EBB37B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tenebrae@localhost) by steeltoe.niceboots.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KLo6651934; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tenebrae@niceboots.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: Tenebrae To: Michael Sierchio Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Memory Requirements Legacy and Present In-Reply-To: <3C47C04D.27F6A894@tenebras.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Michael Sierchio wrote: > Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > 4.2 was the last release that can be installed from FTP using NIC > > with 8Mb RAM/no swap. It's still possible to install 4.4-RELEASE > > from FTP using NIC with 8Mb RAM but the first step in sysinstall must > > be allocation of some swap space and activating it with key 'W' > > in Label Editor screen. Otherwise, sysinstall will run out of memory while > > configuring ethernet interface. > > > > Sheesh. 64MB of PC133 RAM is USD 22.00. 1GB of PC133w/ECC is $325. Cheaper > than these is the brick you can use to bash your head for being too cheap > to buy memory. ;-) Don't forget laptops. I have this ancient NEC Versa 4000 that I've had a heckuva time installing ANY OS on, much less finding replacement parts for. It was free, so I can't really complain, but that never stopped me before... Upgrade, buy, spend...I hate that kind of mentality. -Tenebrae. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 13:57:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4291E37B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8189 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 21:57:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO helios.dub.net) ([216.27.176.75]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Jan 2002 21:57:32 -0000 Received: by helios.dub.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACB53312A; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:57:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:57:31 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: parv Cc: f-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120215731.GA21074@helios.dub.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> <20020120082100.GA521@moo.holy.cow> <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org> <20020120095918.GA1861@moo.holy.cow> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020120095918.GA1861@moo.holy.cow> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 04:59:18 -0500, parv wrote: > in message <5.1.0.14.0.20020120024452.030ff398@pop3s.schulte.org>, > wrote Christopher Schulte thusly... > > > > At 12:42 AM 1/20/2002 -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 03:21:00 -0500, parv wrote: > > >> i know how to track a tree via cvsup w/ "tag" and "date". my > > >> question is where/how do i find the "freeze" date to sync my > > >> tree? > ... > > >I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE > > >branch *is* 4.5-RC2. > > jim, i know. but after release of the -rc2 iso image, -stable is more > than just -rc2. It's not, really. newvers.sh doesn't even change at all (through RC1, 2, etc.). It still just says RC. > > I think the original poster was asking how to use cvsup to sync > > source tree to the exact cut of a rcX.iso..... aka how to reproduce > > exactly the source that was used to generate an official RC. > > yes, that is exactly what i am seeking: how to find the date of > sources from which the iso image is built. This is going to be tricky since there is no tag put down for the RCs. The best you can hope for is an approximate date and/or time, but chances are you're not going to end up with exactly what's in the RC2 ISO unless you install from it. - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14: 0:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-21.dis.org [216.240.45.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6730B37B419 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:00:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0KM17R01667; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200201202201.g0KM17R01667@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Tenebrae Cc: Michael Sierchio , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Memory Requirements Legacy and Present In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:50:06 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:01:07 -0800 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Upgrade, buy, spend...I hate that kind of mentality. Buy once, buy wisely. -- Go where you may, search where you will, roam throughout all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival... - Frederic Douglass, Independence Day Address, 1852 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14:37:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (12-253-177-2.client.attbi.com [12.253.177.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7908237B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.22.42.2] (peace.hippie.lan [172.22.42.2]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0KMbcl11787 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:37:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:37:41 -0700 Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable From: Ian To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20020120215731.GA21074@helios.dub.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>> I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE >>>> branch *is* 4.5-RC2. >> >> jim, i know. but after release of the -rc2 iso image, -stable is more >> than just -rc2. > > It's not, really. newvers.sh doesn't even change at all (through RC1, > 2, etc.). It still just says RC. Jim, you said this on irc yesterday too, and I'm having as hard a time understanding it now as I did then... If nothing changes between RC1, RC2, RC3, etc, then why is someone going to the trouble of making a series of ISO images and releasing them? Certainly there are no major new additions of functionality, but something must be changing to justify the creation of a new release candidate? -- Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14:43:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.is.innn.is (exchange.innn.is [213.176.158.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAB637B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange.is.innn.is with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:51:24 -0000 Received: by exchange.is.innn.is with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:08:15 -0000 Message-ID: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF2@exchange.is.innn.is> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= To: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:08:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Yesterday I upgraded one of my machines to 4.5-RC and I've been having = some strange problems with nfsd since then. When the machine is booting up I = get the following error message: RPC: Program not registered and the /var/log/messages says: mountd[76]: can't register mount=20 nfsd:[78]: can't register with udp portmap Using Google I was able to find some people having a similar problem = but it seemed as their problem was in the hosts.allow file, which I didn't = alter while running mergemaster. I have two ethernet cards in the machine xl0 and xl1. xl0 is facing the world and xl1 is a crossover cable to an other machine acting as a nfs client. These are my ipfw rules: 00100 allow ip from 194.x.x.11 to any <- localhost 00200 allow ip from any to any via xl1 <- crossover to nfs client 00300 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 25 00600 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 00700 allow udp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 65535 deny ip from any to any Could the ipfw rules be the problem? Anyways, I'm all out of ideas - and not good with nfs at all !! - so = all comments are appreciated. Here is some info that I though might help: $ grep portmap hosts.allow=20 portmap : 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 : allow portmap : ALL : deny $ uname -a FreeBSD eos.mr.is 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #0: Thu Jan 17 04:46:00 GMT 2002 root@eos.mr.is:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EOS i386 Thanks in advance, Bj=F6rn Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14:57:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400E437B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mjm2 (ool-182d19ab.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.25.171]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.0 Patch 2 (built Dec 14 2000)) with SMTP id <0GQ900IOUEESW8@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:56:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:57:08 -0500 From: Michael Meltzer Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <05f201c1a205$ca328810$0b01a8c0@mjm2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF2@exchange.is.innn.is> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sound likes portmap is not running, portmap "ownes" all the RPC server calls, on the running machine you might want to do a ps -ax | grep portmap, if it not running do a quick check between "rc.conf" and "rc" and see what is/not starting it. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Björn Patrick Swift" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: mountd / nfsd problems Hi, Yesterday I upgraded one of my machines to 4.5-RC and I've been having some strange problems with nfsd since then. When the machine is booting up I get the following error message: RPC: Program not registered and the /var/log/messages says: mountd[76]: can't register mount nfsd:[78]: can't register with udp portmap Using Google I was able to find some people having a similar problem but it seemed as their problem was in the hosts.allow file, which I didn't alter while running mergemaster. I have two ethernet cards in the machine xl0 and xl1. xl0 is facing the world and xl1 is a crossover cable to an other machine acting as a nfs client. These are my ipfw rules: 00100 allow ip from 194.x.x.11 to any <- localhost 00200 allow ip from any to any via xl1 <- crossover to nfs client 00300 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 25 00600 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 00700 allow udp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 65535 deny ip from any to any Could the ipfw rules be the problem? Anyways, I'm all out of ideas - and not good with nfs at all !! - so all comments are appreciated. Here is some info that I though might help: $ grep portmap hosts.allow portmap : 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 : allow portmap : ALL : deny $ uname -a FreeBSD eos.mr.is 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #0: Thu Jan 17 04:46:00 GMT 2002 root@eos.mr.is:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EOS i386 Thanks in advance, Björn Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14:57:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC6037B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0KMvLd01116; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:57:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:57:21 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Ian Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120235721.A1096@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020120215731.GA21074@helios.dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org on Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:37:41PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:37:41PM -0700, Ian wrote: > >>>> I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" -STABLE > >>>> branch *is* 4.5-RC2. > >> > >> jim, i know. but after release of the -rc2 iso image, -stable is more > >> than just -rc2. > > > > It's not, really. newvers.sh doesn't even change at all (through RC1, > > 2, etc.). It still just says RC. > > Jim, you said this on irc yesterday too, and I'm having as hard a time > understanding it now as I did then... > > If nothing changes between RC1, RC2, RC3, etc, then why is someone going to > the trouble of making a series of ISO images and releasing them? Certainly > there are no major new additions of functionality, but something must be > changing to justify the creation of a new release candidate? Yes. Bugfixes going in, under control and with permission of the Release Engineer (engineering team) W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 14:59: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F6A37B48B for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 32453 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2002 22:58:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO helios.dub.net) ([216.27.176.75]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Jan 2002 22:58:47 -0000 Received: by helios.dub.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167AA312A; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:58:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:58:46 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Ian Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: cvsup usable UTC date for tracking -stable Message-ID: <20020120225846.GA34004@helios.dub.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: <20020120215731.GA21074@helios.dub.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 at 15:37:41 -0700, Ian wrote: > >>>> I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The "current" > >>>> -STABLE branch *is* 4.5-RC2. > >> > >> jim, i know. but after release of the -rc2 iso image, -stable is > >> more than just -rc2. > > > > It's not, really. newvers.sh doesn't even change at all (through > > RC1, 2, etc.). It still just says RC. > > Jim, you said this on irc yesterday too, and I'm having as hard a time > understanding it now as I did then... > > If nothing changes between RC1, RC2, RC3, etc, then why is someone > going to the trouble of making a series of ISO images and releasing > them? Certainly there are no major new additions of functionality, > but something must be changing to justify the creation of a new > release candidate? There are changes made (not many, and as you said, not significant), but the version in newvers.sh doesn't change. It's the same now (RC), as it was when the RC1 ISO was rolled (was RC then too). The reason the ISOs are rolled so new installs can be tested. If you're building world, you won't have a uname output that says FreeBSD-RC1, -RC2, -RC3, etc. It will still just say -RC. As I said in another message, there are no tags put down for the various RCs, so it's going to be hard to cvsup exactly what's been turned into the RC ISO image(s). - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 15: 2:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.is.innn.is (exchange.innn.is [213.176.158.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64FC37B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange.is.innn.is with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:10:21 -0000 Message-ID: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF5@exchange.is.innn.is> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= To: 'Michael Meltzer' Cc: "'freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:10:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG portmap is running fine. I just tried - for the fun of it - to do = killall -9 portmap and start it up again. It starts without any problems, but the mountd and nfs are still a pain. Bj=F6rn Swift -----Original Message----- From: Michael Meltzer [mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com]=20 Sent: 20. jan=FAar 2002 22:57 To: Bj=F6rn Patrick Swift; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems sound likes portmap is not running, portmap "ownes" all the RPC server calls, on the running machine you might want to do a ps -ax | grep = portmap, if it not running do a quick check between "rc.conf" and "rc" and see = what is/not starting it. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bj=F6rn Patrick Swift" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: mountd / nfsd problems Hi, Yesterday I upgraded one of my machines to 4.5-RC and I've been having = some strange problems with nfsd since then. When the machine is booting up I = get the following error message: RPC: Program not registered and the /var/log/messages says: mountd[76]: can't register mount nfsd:[78]: can't register with udp portmap Using Google I was able to find some people having a similar problem = but it seemed as their problem was in the hosts.allow file, which I didn't = alter while running mergemaster. I have two ethernet cards in the machine xl0 and xl1. xl0 is facing the world and xl1 is a crossover cable to an other machine acting as a nfs client. These are my ipfw rules: 00100 allow ip from 194.x.x.11 to any <- localhost 00200 allow ip from any to any via xl1 <- crossover to nfs client 00300 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 25 00600 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 00700 allow udp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 65535 deny ip from any to any Could the ipfw rules be the problem? Anyways, I'm all out of ideas - and not good with nfs at all !! - so = all comments are appreciated. Here is some info that I though might help: $ grep portmap hosts.allow portmap : 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 : allow portmap : ALL : deny $ uname -a FreeBSD eos.mr.is 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #0: Thu Jan 17 04:46:00 GMT 2002 root@eos.mr.is:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EOS i386 Thanks in advance, Bj=F6rn Swift To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 15:28:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (castle.jp.FreeBSD.org [210.226.20.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EC937B417; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [::1]) by castle.jp.FreeBSD.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet6 id g0KNSjm81124; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:28:45 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.org X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 19 From: Makoto Matsushita To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: src/release/Makefile rev 1.536.2.52: vnconfig execution was moved... Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:28:44 +0900 Message-Id: <20020121082844N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I found that src/release/Makefile rev 1.536.2.52 does change about vnconfig execution which is *not* shown at PR: 29272. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/release/Makefile#rev1.536.2.52 With this commit, execution of 'vnconfig' (which is required to ensure 'vn' module is loaded to the kernel) is moved from the early stage of "release" target to the first command of "release.8". However, vnconfig execution should have done under the original environment, since the only kernel module which is matched with running kernel lives in /modules, and not in chroot sandbox. It maybe not a critial bug for 4.5-RELEASE, but it should be backed out. Obrien, what's ideas are there behind this change? -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 15:37:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0FB37B417 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from lungfish.ntlworld.com ([62.253.152.35]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020120233747.NFDG9422.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@lungfish.ntlworld.com> for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:47 +0000 Received: from tuatara.goatsucker.org (tuatara.goatsucker.org [192.168.1.6]) by lungfish.ntlworld.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0KNbjn15281 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:45 GMT (envelope-from scott@tuatara.goatsucker.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by tuatara.goatsucker.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0KNbIH00335 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:18 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:37:17 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-RC kernel panic on boot with Advansys SCSI card Message-ID: <20020120233717.A294@localhost> References: <20020119154154.A422@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020119154154.A422@localhost>; from scott.mitchell@mail.com on Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:41:54PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:41:54PM +0000, Scott Mitchell wrote: > Hi all, > > My 4.5-RC kernel (from sources cvsupped at around 2300 GMT on Jan 17th) > started crashing during boot after I plugged in an IWill 2936UW-E SCSI > adapter. I've attached the kernel config, dmesg and gdb stack trace. A bit more information -- if I preload usb.ko from loader.conf, the crash goes away. Previously it was dying very soon after usbd started and caused the USB module to be loaded. Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott.mitchell@mail.com | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 16:24: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D3A37B405 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-112urr6.biz.mindspring.com ([66.47.111.102] helo=desktop) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SSFZ-0001yC-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: <002801c1a211$ecbe1af0$0701a8c0@desktop> From: "Chynnee" To: "Michael Meltzer" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= , References: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF2@exchange.is.innn.is> <05f201c1a205$ca328810$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:24:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i was having the same problem. i tried everying in my (limited) power, but couldnt fix it. i ended up nuking that machine and reinstalling and it worked fine. brad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 16:55:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B1337B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from veager.jwweeks.com ([65.14.122.116]) by femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020121005525.LNVP25672.femail4.sdc1.sfba.home.com@veager.jwweeks.com>; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:55:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:55:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Weeks X-Sender: jim@veager.jwweeks.com To: Miguel Mendez Cc: Kevin Oberman , mikea , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Crashed again. In-Reply-To: <20020120185545.750FB3FC1F@energyhq.homeip.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Miguel Mendez wrote: > I think the lesson is that pc fans don't last mucho more than 1.5-2 years of > usage in a 7*24 box. This may seem cheep, but I lift the sticker from the middle of the fan, apply a couple drops of 3in1 oil, and replace the sticker each time I have the case apart for cleaning. The fans seem to last for ever this way, and you don't have to remove the heat sink and paste (PAIN). Another note, you can't have too much case ventilation! -- Jim Weeks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 19: 0:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web14006.mail.yahoo.com (web14006.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BDD637B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:00:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020121030018.7425.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.193.106.164] by web14006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:00:18 PST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: Raman Ng Reply-To: raman@hello.to Subject: Extended paging bug in Athlon affect FreeBSD? To: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't know what mailing list this mail should be posted to, sorry if it is posted to the wrong mailing list. Recently I found Linux 2.4 kernel is affected by the bug of extended paging in AMD Athlon through the following link. I don't know if FreeBSD is also affected. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-21-001-20-NW-KN __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Fritcher" To: Message-ID: <20020120204516.D37847-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 20:56:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA79537B41B for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:56:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SWV8-0009sR-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:56:10 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:56:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Subject: pxeboot btx halted problem Message-ID: <20020120204533.J37847-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I'm trying to get a machine to netboot with the pxeboot loader and a Intel PRO/100 S network card. I built pxeboot with tftp instead of nfs support, as I am only looking to load a kernel with a mfs filesystem in it. Unfortunately, I'm getting a BTX halted error after PXE tftps pxeboot. It successfully dhcps an IP address, and it appears it is successfully transfering pxeboot. I switched verbose mode for btxldr on and it seems to run ok, but it dies right afterwards. The exact error messages are attached to the end of the message. Watching a tcpdump of the session, I see pxeboot being transfered, but nothing else after. Any suggestions on what the problem might be and what I can do to fix it? I've looked through the message archives, but most of the problems I saw there weren't applicable. Thanks. BTX loader 1.00 Starting in protected mode (base mem=8a800) Relocated arguments (size=18) to 8a7a0 BTX version is 1.01 Relocated kernel (size=740) to 9000 Client base address is a000 Client format is ELF text segment: offset=1000 vaddr=0 filesz=1f9e0 memsz=1f9e0 data segment: offset=209e0 vaddr=209e0 filesz=2d34 memsz=8da0 Loading complete int=00000006 err=00000000 efl=00010202 eip=0001af8b eax=0007f7d4 ebx=00020a30 ecx=00000000 edx=0001be88 esi=00000000 edi=00000000 ebp=0007f7ac esp=0007f76c cs=002b ds=0033 es=0033 fs=0033 gs=0033 ss=0033 cs:eip=0f 44 75 10 b8 a0 f7 01-00 83 7d 08 00 0f 45 45 ss:esp=30 0a 02 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BTX halted -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 21: 9:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9C437B405 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SWhx-0009tl-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:09:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:09:25 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <20020120204533.J37847-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Message-ID: <20020120210709.M37847-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To add a little more information I forgot in the previous message, the NIC has Intel Boot Agent 4.0.22, PXE build 083, on it. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 21:46:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wyattearp.stanford.edu (wyattearp.Stanford.EDU [171.64.180.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7880E37B417 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from richw@localhost) by wyattearp.stanford.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0L5a8T29696; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:36:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from richw) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:36:08 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Wales X-X-Sender: richw@wyattearp.stanford.edu To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended paging bug in Athlon affect FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20020121052439.A29649.richw@wyattearp.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Raman Ng wrote: > Recently I found Linux 2.4 kernel is affected by the bug > of extended paging in AMD Athlon through the following > link. I don't know if FreeBSD is also affected. FWIW, I've been running FreeBSD for about a year on an 800-MHz Athlon system at home. It runs solidly, with no random crashes of any sort. The only problems I've had with this box have been when I boot Win98SE on it (it's set up for dual-booting); sometimes it will hang or reset while Windows is starting up (but FreeBSD always starts up just fine). Rich Wales richw@richw.org http://www.richw.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 23:21:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fem.uniag.sk (fem.uniag.sk [193.87.97.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1945937B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lk01@localhost) by fem.uniag.sk (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0L7KIq05616; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:20:18 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:20:18 +0100 (MET) From: Ladislav Kostal To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <20020120204533.J37847-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > I'm trying to get a machine to netboot with the pxeboot loader and a Intel > PRO/100 S network card. I built pxeboot with tftp instead of nfs support, > as I am only looking to load a kernel with a mfs filesystem in it. If you want, I can send you my setup. But it is for Scom 3c905C (what should make no difference). Ladislav Kostal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Jan 20 23:43:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists.blarg.net (lists.blarg.net [206.124.128.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9D37B402 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from thig.blarg.net (thig.blarg.net [206.124.128.18]) by lists.blarg.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DA3BCE3 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([206.124.139.115]) by thig.blarg.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29394 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:43:36 -0800 Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0L7l0P00641; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@blarg.net) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: "wc /dev/acd0c" hangs device until reboot From: swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 20 Jan 2002 23:47:00 -0800 Message-ID: <50g050kux7.050@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is on a 4.5-PRERELEASE from about Wed Dec 26 18:41:29 PST 2001 built with CPUTYPE=k6-2. I burned a CD-RW with burncd, did a "diff xxx /dev/acd0c" and then thought I'd try to see how long a "file" it put on the CD with "wc /dev/acd0c" at which point it hung the device. I killed -9 the wc and xterm process but I could not make it kill the wc process or otherwise allow me to use the CD ("device busy"). Nothing strange in /var/log/messages. Had to reboot. That was yesterday. Today it hung up again (until rebooted) during a "burncd". In both cases I noticed that that hung process had a ps status of "DL". Maybe related: I've only burned a couple CDs (CD-Rs) a month for the last several, but the last two days I've been messing with 2x and 4x CD-RWs (which worked well under Linux on same hardware) and burncd has not been working well. Sometimes blanks OK, other times I have to try several times on the same CD-RW. With CD-Rs, it failed to write several until I got that blank (sometimes saying it wrote -1), until it hung. After reboot, I tried burning before starting X11 and had no more problems (buring three CD-Rs which were the same disks that failed to burn earlier). (They all were checked with "diff" without error.) ad0: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata0-master tagged UDMA33 acd0: CD-RW <8X4X32> at ata1-master using PIO4 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 0: 3:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19B337B404; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0107.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.107] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SZQR-0006oM-00; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:03:31 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4BCB4F.60F1D4FC@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:03:27 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: raman@hello.to Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extended paging bug in Athlon affect FreeBSD? References: <20020121030018.7425.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Raman Ng wrote: > I don't know what mailing list this mail should be > posted to, sorry if it is posted to the wrong mailing > list. > > Recently I found Linux 2.4 kernel is affected by the > bug of extended paging in AMD Athlon through the > following link. I don't know if FreeBSD is also > affected. > > http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-01-21-001-20-NW-KN I am well aware of this bug. It does not affect FreeBSD, which only uses 4M pages for the first 4M of the kernel itself. I've worked on code that enables 4M pages on other memory used in FreeBSD, that had this problem, but only if you were really stupid in your allocation mechanism. There's a workaround for this problem which is fairly trivial to implement in software, and should probably be done when 4M pages are enabled, if you are using an Athlon, and are adding 4M pages. The problem didn't bite my own application, since I knew about it and used the TLBs in a very specific way to get around the problem, but I'm told that after I left the company, someone went in and used them a different way, not knowing about the problem or the workaround, and broke things. This resulted in about a 14% performance loss. If you are doing heavy networking on a machine with a lot of memory, it's reasonable to move your mbufs into 4M pages, which nets you a 4-14% improvement (depending on whether or not you also change your allocator: 14% if you do). If you do that, knowing how to work around the problem nets you a pretty big win in overall performance, for about 6-10 more machine instructions at startup time. 8-). In any case, this will not be a problem for FreeBSD, and is only a problem for Linux because of the strange way they initialize things. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 0:11:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.www-service.de (smtp.www-service.de [212.77.161.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA0A37B41A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.tue.le (pD9006544.dip.t-dialin.net [217.0.101.68]) by smtp.www-service.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0L9XgC29499; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:33:46 +0100 Received: from mezcal.tue.le (mezcal.tue.le [192.168.201.20]) by fw.tue.le (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA00441; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:11:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from thz@mezcal.tue.le) Received: (from thz@localhost) by mezcal.tue.le (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0L8BC501286; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:11:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from thz) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:11:12 +0100 From: Thomas Zenker To: Josef Karthauser Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Mike Silbersack Subject: Re: Your freebsd-net posting re USB Ethernet problem (fwd) Message-ID: <20020121091112.A1211@mezcal.tue.le> References: <20020113224904.B23803-100000@patrocles.silby.com> <20020119173430.A473@genius.tao.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020119173430.A473@genius.tao.org.uk>; from joe@tao.org.uk on Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 05:34:30PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 05:34:30PM +0000, Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Sun, Jan 13, 2002 at 10:50:33PM +0000, Mike Silbersack wrote: > > > > Could you two try changing the kernel hz setting from 100 to 1000 and > > seeing if it makes any difference in your cases? Esa reported success, > > but that could just be a fluke. > > > > Ok, I've rebooted (10 days up time on my laptop:) and changed kern.hz, > but it doesn't affect anything. The same problems ensue. > > Joe Same here: on 800MHz PIII slowdown as before, on 166MHz embedded, hanging as before. -- Thomas Zenker c/o Lennartz electronic GmbH Bismarckstrasse 136, D-72072 Tuebingen, Germany Phone: +49-(0)7071-93550 Email: thz@lennartz-electronic.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 2: 2:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web14002.mail.yahoo.com (web14002.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0CC637B417 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:02:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020121100217.81572.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.193.106.164] by web14002.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:02:17 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:02:17 -0800 (PST) From: Raman Ng Reply-To: raman@hello.to Subject: Re: Extended paging bug in Athlon affect FreeBSD? To: Terry Lambert , raman@hello.to Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C4BCB4F.60F1D4FC@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am well aware of this bug. > > It does not affect FreeBSD, which only uses 4M pages > for > the first 4M of the kernel itself. > > I've worked on code that enables 4M pages on other > memory > used in FreeBSD, that had this problem, but only if > you > were really stupid in your allocation mechanism. > > There's a workaround for this problem which is > fairly > trivial to implement in software, and should > probably be > done when 4M pages are enabled, if you are using an > Athlon, > and are adding 4M pages. The problem didn't bite my > own > application, since I knew about it and used the TLBs > in a > very specific way to get around the problem, but I'm > told > that after I left the company, someone went in and > used > them a different way, not knowing about the problem > or the > workaround, and broke things. This resulted in > about a > 14% performance loss. > > If you are doing heavy networking on a machine with > a lot > of memory, it's reasonable to move your mbufs into > 4M pages, > which nets you a 4-14% improvement (depending on > whether or > not you also change your allocator: 14% if you do). > If you > do that, knowing how to work around the problem nets > you a > pretty big win in overall performance, for about > 6-10 more > machine instructions at startup time. 8-). > > In any case, this will not be a problem for FreeBSD, > and is > only a problem for Linux because of the strange way > they > initialize things. > > -- Terry Glad to know FreeBSD is not affected. Thanks a lot. Cheers, Raman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 6:20:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FAEE37B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:20:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 21 Jan 2002 14:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:20:15 +0000 From: David Malone To: Sam Drinkard Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Write command timeout revisited Message-ID: <20020121142015.GA60989@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3C4AE68C.769E28E9@vortex.wa4phy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C4AE68C.769E28E9@vortex.wa4phy.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:47:24AM -0500, Sam Drinkard wrote: > I updated day before yesterday, and now have begun to see the "ad0: > WRITE command timeout > tag=0 serv=0 - resetting " in my syslog again. What was the general > consensus about this, and did anything change between 4.5-Pre and RC-2 > that would start this going again.. It is possible that some patch on your disk is bad and reading/writing it makes the command time out. Upgrading might have changed which bit of the disk is in use provoking the problem. If you want to have a look at the recent changes in the ata code then start at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/dev/ata/?only_with_tag=RELENG_4 The main change in the last month seems to be 48 bit addressing. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 6:23:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web21204.mail.yahoo.com (web21204.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 345D937B417 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:23:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020121142326.58537.qmail@web21204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.83.57.171] by web21204.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:23:26 CST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:23:26 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?Yifeng=20Xu?= Subject: 4.4 weird overwrite other partitions on 60G HDD To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG when installing FreeBSD on my 60G seagate IDE disk, it blindly overwrites my Win2K partition which is on an DOS Extended partition and of course all data lost, I tried twice and it overwrote twice my Win2K partition. if it is a FreeBSD problem, it must be a serious bug, why can not I can see it on annonce list? -- XuYifeng _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? µÇÂŒÃâ·ÑÑÅ»¢µçÓÊ! http://mail.yahoo.com.cn ÎÞÁÄ£¿ÓôÃÆ£¿žßÐË£¿Ã»ÀíÓÉ£¿¶ŒÀŽÁÄÌì°É£¡¡ª¡ª ÑÅ»¢È«ÐÂÁÄÌìÊÒ! http://cn.chat.yahoo.com/c/roomlist.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 7:46:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from [208.237.133.234] (mail.ade.com [208.237.133.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5001437B419 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from no.name.available by [208.237.133.234] via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 15:46:43 UT Received: (private information removed) Message-ID: From: Chris Corayer To: "'stable@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'tim@spicy.org.uk'" Subject: RE: stable-digest V5 #408 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:47:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:17:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim Joseph Subject: HDD not detected during install (fwd) (Previously posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc and freebsd-questions without much joy) Hi, I have (I hope) a simple problem. I am trying to install FBSD 4.4 onto a TI Extensa 510 laptop. However, when I reach the stage where I choose what I would like done to the disk, the install program reports that it can't find the hard drive and I have to give up. (I'm doing an FTP install over a PCMCIA network card.) I have previously installed OpenBSD 2.9 straight onto this machine without any fiddling around! For info, OBSD detected the HD controller as a wdc0. OBSD dmesg attached. What can I try? Do I need to roll my own release with a new kernel to support the wdc controller? If so, how do I make my own release? " I had a similar problem with an NEC 5080x laptop. I never did get this to work properly. I tried everything from setting the drive geometry on install ( which wasn't always correct ) to going into the BIOS and setting the translation type ( DOS or OTHER ) and the PIO transfer modes 0-4. None of that made any difference. The only workaround I was ever able to find was to put the drive in another machine with a hard drive adapter and install it there. I would install it on the other machine and transfer to the new machine. It wasn't ideal, and apm didn't work. I also had issues getting the sound to work. This is one case where auto detection of hardware would have been nice. My guess on this is that your IDE chipset is not supported. Mine was not listed as being supported. You MAY be able to get this to work or you may run into the same problems I did. FWIW, OpenBSD 2.9 supports the NEC 50x0 series of laptops with ZERO problems including the cardbus Xircom NIC. Debian, Mandrake, and Redhat never had any problems on this either. The only thing I can think of is the IDE chipset driver... -Christopher Corayer Information Services ADE Technologies 77 Rowe Street Newton, MA 02466 p.617.831.8043 f.617.243.4443 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 8: 8: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.robhughes.com (12-237-138-77.client.attbi.com [12.237.138.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 218B037B41A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4908 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 16:07:36 -0000 Received: from hexch01.robhughes.com (192.168.1.3) by ns2.robhughes.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 16:07:36 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: hang at boot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:07:54 -0600 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hang at boot Thread-Index: AcGh5jvcoYaCEKPLRwytTLLVuTNhDQArs2lQ From: "Robert D. Hughes" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok... that does explain it, but this system is actually a DNS server (double-split), and uses itself for DNS. Is there a work around? Named doesn't get loaded until later, along with the mail server, since I do it with scripts rather than from rc.conf. And since this box is rather important, and since I waited around 10 minutes for it to go past that, it seems rather troublesome. If its just a configuration issue, tell me and I'll research it on the net. Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Simon Dick [mailto:simond@irrelevant.org] Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 1:11 PM To: Robert D. Hughes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hang at boot On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:00:16PM -0600, Robert D. Hughes wrote: > I'm getting a hang at boot now with a cvsup build from 1/16. The hang occurs at "recovering vi sessions". A ctrl-c gets it past. Anyone else seen this? That's the timeout for a DNS lookup when vi is trying to send an email saying there's a file to recover, it's nothing to do with your cvsup at all :) --=20 Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 9: 8:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F7E37B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0LH7vh34886; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:07:57 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:07:57 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: hang at boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020121200543.F32032-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Robert D. Hughes wrote: RDH> Ok... that does explain it, but this system is actually a DNS server RDH> (double-split), and uses itself for DNS. Is there a work around? Named RDH> doesn't get loaded until later, along with the mail server, since I do RDH> it with scripts rather than from rc.conf. And since this box is rather RDH> important, and since I waited around 10 minutes for it to go past that, RDH> it seems rather troublesome. If its just a configuration issue, tell me RDH> and I'll research it on the net. Workaround is to add fully qualified host name to /etc/hosts. It's also applicable to machine names which filesystems are automounted via NFS, 'cause `mount -a -t nfs' runs also before named start... RDH> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:00:16PM -0600, Robert D. Hughes wrote: RDH> > I'm getting a hang at boot now with a cvsup build from 1/16. The hang RDH> occurs at "recovering vi sessions". A ctrl-c gets it past. Anyone else RDH> seen this? RDH> RDH> That's the timeout for a DNS lookup when vi is trying to send an email RDH> saying there's a file to recover, it's nothing to do with your cvsup at RDH> all :) Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 9:22:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.is.innn.is (exchange.innn.is [213.176.158.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC61D37B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange.is.innn.is with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:30:17 -0000 Message-ID: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF8@exchange.is.innn.is> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= To: 'Chynnee' , Michael Meltzer , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:30:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yehh, well, I was hoping for a solution that didn't require such a = hassle. Does anyone have an idea or something that could point me to the right direction? Bjorn Swift -----Original Message----- From: Chynnee [mailto:chynnee@mindspring.com]=20 Sent: 21. jan=FAar 2002 00:24 To: Michael Meltzer; Bj=F6rn Patrick Swift; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems i was having the same problem. i tried everying in my (limited) power, = but couldnt fix it. i ended up nuking that machine and reinstalling and it worked fine. brad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 9:27:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.robhughes.com (12-237-138-77.client.attbi.com [12.237.138.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0A7937B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5531 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 17:26:20 -0000 Received: from hexch01.robhughes.com (192.168.1.3) by ns2.robhughes.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 17:26:20 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: hang at boot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:26:40 -0600 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: hang at boot Thread-Index: AcGinjDpG3ZbT8z6S8KmKP8SZJZ+aAAAJRfA From: "Robert D. Hughes" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, its really a little more complicated than that, as I always add the local machine to etc/hosts, and on clients and servers I add applicable systems like file servers, etc, though I generally try to separate functions to avoid such dependencies. I also have root's email aliased to root@domain.com as I have several boxes that I get reports emailed from, and I don't want to spend my days logging into each one to see if there's any email I need to worry about. Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Morozovsky [mailto:marck@rinet.ru] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 11:08 AM To: Robert D. Hughes Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: hang at boot On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Robert D. Hughes wrote: RDH> Ok... that does explain it, but this system is actually a DNS server RDH> (double-split), and uses itself for DNS. Is there a work around? Named RDH> doesn't get loaded until later, along with the mail server, since I do RDH> it with scripts rather than from rc.conf. And since this box is rather RDH> important, and since I waited around 10 minutes for it to go past that, RDH> it seems rather troublesome. If its just a configuration issue, tell me RDH> and I'll research it on the net. Workaround is to add fully qualified host name to /etc/hosts. It's also applicable to machine names which filesystems are automounted via NFS, 'cause `mount -a -t nfs' runs also before named start... RDH> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 01:00:16PM -0600, Robert D. Hughes wrote: RDH> > I'm getting a hang at boot now with a cvsup build from 1/16. The hang RDH> occurs at "recovering vi sessions". A ctrl-c gets it past. Anyone else RDH> seen this? RDH> RDH> That's the timeout for a DNS lookup when vi is trying to send an email RDH> saying there's a file to recover, it's nothing to do with your cvsup at RDH> all :) Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 9:49: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.robhughes.com (12-237-138-77.client.attbi.com [12.237.138.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CE8F37B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:49:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5592 invoked from network); 21 Jan 2002 17:48:37 -0000 Received: from hexch01.robhughes.com (192.168.1.3) by ns2.robhughes.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 2002 17:48:37 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:48:54 -0600 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before Thread-Index: AcGio+TrhRnIY8F/ShK00PVuz07wzw== From: "Robert D. Hughes" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All, CVSUP from 1/16, running natd with command /sbin/natd -config = /etc/natd.conf -n dc0. Config file is: log_denied log_facility security use_sockets same_ports=20 unregistered_only redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:80 x.x.x.x:80 redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:443 x.x.x.x:443 redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:8880 x.x.x.x:8880 redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2953 x.x.x.x:2953 redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2954 x.x.x.x:2954 dynamic punch_fw 10000:1000 I'm going to try removing the log options and see if it improves. but = since this is a new issue with the recent cvs build, I did want to send = out a query. What I'm seeing is natd going to well over 90% cpu on this box, which = has never happened before to the best of my knowledge. What tcpdump is = showing my is very large amounts of arp traffic on the external = interface from a large part of the 12.237/16 network (yeah, I know, lame = provider). Has anyone else been running into similar issues? "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre = minds." -- Albert Einstein=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 9:51: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347F137B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:51:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0LHotP35395; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:50:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:50:55 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: hang at boot In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020121204400.D32032-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Robert D. Hughes wrote: RDH> Well, its really a little more complicated than that, as I always add RDH> the local machine to etc/hosts, and on clients and servers I add RDH> applicable systems like file servers, etc, though I generally try to RDH> separate functions to avoid such dependencies. I also have root's email RDH> aliased to root@domain.com as I have several boxes that I get reports RDH> emailed from, and I don't want to spend my days logging into each one to RDH> see if there's any email I need to worry about. Hmm, well... I've got a little of ideas right now -- at least hack a bit gethostbyname() in /usr/src/lib/libc/net/gethostnamadr.c to syslog() every request (well, it at least seems that syslogd starts earlier than vi recovering process ;-) and then analyze the logs... [Yes, I understand clearly that this would be kinda Nuclear Weapon for this problem, but I'm already a little beery this evening ;-)] [snip problem description] Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 10:17:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from damnhippie.dyndns.org (12-253-177-2.client.attbi.com [12.253.177.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B8537B405 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.22.42.2] (peace.hippie.lan [172.22.42.2]) by damnhippie.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0LIHAl26995 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:17:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:17:15 -0700 Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems From: Ian To: freebsd-stable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF2@exchange.is.innn.is> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Yesterday I upgraded one of my machines to 4.5-RC and I've been having some > strange problems with nfsd since then. When the machine is booting up I get > the following error message: > > RPC: Program not registered > > and the /var/log/messages says: > > mountd[76]: can't register mount > nfsd:[78]: can't register with udp portmap > > Using Google I was able to find some people having a similar problem but it > seemed as their problem was in the hosts.allow file, which I didn't alter > while running mergemaster. > > I have two ethernet cards in the machine xl0 and xl1. xl0 is facing the > world and xl1 is a crossover cable to an other machine acting as a nfs > client. These are my ipfw rules: > 00100 allow ip from 194.x.x.11 to any <- localhost > 00200 allow ip from any to any via xl1 <- crossover to nfs > client > 00300 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 25 > 00600 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 > 00700 allow udp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 > 65535 deny ip from any to any > > Could the ipfw rules be the problem? I just had exactly the same set of NFS error messages at startup. In my case it was because I had accidentally enabled the firewall in the machine's config, and that machine had only the default deny rule. Easily fixed. But, it makes me think that the answer to your question might well be Yes, the ipfw rules could be the problem. I notice you don't have the "customary" rules 100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 I wonder if that could be the cause? I rediscovered the hard way a couple weeks ago that these rules are normally installed by rc.firewall in addition to any config file you specify in rc.conf, but if you manually do an ipfw flush then reinstall your usual rules you lose these two automatic rules. -- Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 11:51:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE53A37B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SkT0-000Bmr-00; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:50:54 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:50:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Ladislav Kostal Cc: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020121114039.C45041-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Ladislav Kostal wrote: > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > I'm trying to get a machine to netboot with the pxeboot loader and a Intel > > PRO/100 S network card. I built pxeboot with tftp instead of nfs support, > > as I am only looking to load a kernel with a mfs filesystem in it. > > If you want, I can send you my setup. But it is for Scom 3c905C (what > should make no difference). That would be cool to look at. Thanks. Just in case someone else might spot an error in what I'm doing, I've attached my dhcpd.conf file at the end. The loader.rc file I'm using from Alfred's PXE page, but that isn't even being loaded in my case. subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { option domain-name "wolfnet.org"; option domain-name-servers 10.0.0.2; option routers 10.0.0.1; default-lease-time 3600; max-lease-time 86400; host quentin-test { filename "pxeboot"; next-server 10.0.0.2; hardware ethernet 00:02:b3:89:79:8a; fixed-address quentin-test.wolfnet.org; } } Oh, and here is how tftp is setup just in case... [root@outreach:/home/root/tftproot]# grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/libexec/tftpd tftpd -s /home/root/tftproot [root@outreach:/home/root/tftproot]# ls -l total 2361 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Jan 18 17:50 boot -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1324239 Sep 18 12:25 kernel.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 894396 Jan 18 17:46 mfsroot.gz -rw-r--r-- 2 root wheel 157696 Jan 18 22:58 pxeboot [root@outreach:/home/root/tftproot]# ls -l boot total 169 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 83 Jan 18 17:44 loader.rc -rw-r--r-- 2 root wheel 157696 Jan 18 22:58 pxeboot -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 12:20:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from steeltoe.niceboots.com (steeltoe.niceboots.com [208.25.85.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EDD37B41A for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:20:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (tenebrae@localhost) by steeltoe.niceboots.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0LKJqk55390; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tenebrae@niceboots.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:19:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tenebrae To: Sam Drinkard Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Write command timeout revisited In-Reply-To: <3C4AE68C.769E28E9@vortex.wa4phy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Sam Drinkard wrote: > I updated day before yesterday, and now have begun to see the "ad0: > WRITE command timeout > tag=0 serv=0 - resetting " in my syslog again. What was the general > consensus about this, and did anything change between 4.5-Pre and RC-2 > that would start this going again.. fwiw, the 4.5-Pre did not ever have > this happen. Someone made mention of the fact that the drive is an > IBM-DJNA-372200 but I don't recall what bearing this has. From my log, > it appears to occur after about 0200 local, after the daily cron runs. > > Comments? I have an IBM-DPTA-372730 which has this same entry show up at fairly random points. It happened this morning at 7:19am, but didn't happen at all the two days before. This is a fairly low traffic server. steeltoe# uname -a FreeBSD xxx.xxx.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Thu May 17 22:58:45 PDT 2001 root@xxx.xxx.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC i386 I have an ASUS P5A socket 7 motherboard with the latest BIOS version available (1011.002). This motherboard's IDE controller is ATA-33 and aforementioned harddrive is ATA-100 . Cable connecting them is 18" 40-conductor ribbon cable that came with the motherboard. So, um... "Me too!" -Tenebrae. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 12:54:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.is.innn.is (exchange.innn.is [213.176.158.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ECE837B404 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by exchange.is.innn.is with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:02:39 -0000 Message-ID: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFFA@exchange.is.innn.is> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= To: 'Ian' , freebsd-stable Subject: RE: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:02:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Ian. This was exactly the problem. I added ipfw add allow all from 127.0.0.1 = to any via xl0 and that did the trick. Thank you for your advice. Bj=F6rn Swift -----Original Message----- From: Ian [mailto:freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org]=20 Sent: 21. jan=FAar 2002 18:17 To: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems > Yesterday I upgraded one of my machines to 4.5-RC and I've been = having some > strange problems with nfsd since then. When the machine is booting up = I get > the following error message: >=20 > RPC: Program not registered >=20 > and the /var/log/messages says: >=20 > mountd[76]: can't register mount > nfsd:[78]: can't register with udp portmap >=20 > Using Google I was able to find some people having a similar problem = but it > seemed as their problem was in the hosts.allow file, which I didn't = alter > while running mergemaster. >=20 > I have two ethernet cards in the machine xl0 and xl1. xl0 is facing = the > world and xl1 is a crossover cable to an other machine acting as a = nfs > client. These are my ipfw rules: > 00100 allow ip from 194.x.x.11 to any <- localhost > 00200 allow ip from any to any via xl1 <- crossover to nfs > client > 00300 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 25 > 00600 allow tcp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 > 00700 allow udp from 194.x.x.1 to 194.144.186.11 1005-65535 > 65535 deny ip from any to any >=20 > Could the ipfw rules be the problem? I just had exactly the same set of NFS error messages at startup. In = my case it was because I had accidentally enabled the firewall in the = machine's config, and that machine had only the default deny rule. Easily fixed. But, it makes me think that the answer to your question might well be = Yes, the ipfw rules could be the problem. I notice you don't have the "customary" rules 100 allow ip from any to any via lo0 200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 I wonder if that could be the cause? I rediscovered the hard way a = couple weeks ago that these rules are normally installed by rc.firewall in = addition to any config file you specify in rc.conf, but if you manually do an = ipfw flush then reinstall your usual rules you lose these two automatic = rules. -- Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 13:50:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe73.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.208]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598C037B404 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:50:40 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.227.61] From: "Lawrence Sica" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Patrick_Swift?= , "'Michael Meltzer'" Cc: References: <6973E4999161D411A57600010233D19797EFF5@exchange.is.innn.is> Subject: Re: mountd / nfsd problems Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:48:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2002 21:50:40.0239 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAE3AFF0:01C1A2C5] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Björn Patrick Swift" To: "'Michael Meltzer'" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: RE: mountd / nfsd problems portmap is running fine. I just tried - for the fun of it - to do killall -9 portmap and start it up again. It starts without any problems, but the mountd and nfs are still a pain. What does rpcinfo -p [hostname] show? I noticed you are not allowing localhost to talk to itself w/ portmapper..im not sure if that would matter here though. What is the output of rpcinfo tho? That will give you some good information. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 15:25:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EB437B405; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 15:25:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tel.fer.hr (zg05-206.dialin.iskon.hr [213.191.138.207]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g0LNP3E04479; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:25:05 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C4CA33C.BAD0F33B@tel.fer.hr> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:24:44 +0100 From: Marko Zec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jlemon@freebsd.org" Cc: Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_fxp.c typo? References: <86y9kzqjlr.wl@keiichi01.osaka.iij.ad.jp> <7mn10ebxbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------654D904BCA9115C5478D5450" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------654D904BCA9115C5478D5450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hope this patch properly resolves the problem of unwanted resets of mcast filters. However, when unloading the microcode, it is unavoidable to clear the mcast filters, without making the code really complicated. This should be probably stated in man-page as a kind of disclaimer... Also, by this diff I suggest imposing a little bit more sane range limits for int_delay and bundle_max. Marko Jun Kuriyama wrote: > I noticed this fixes my problem, but I don't know this patch is > logically correct or not. > > I think we should commit this before 4.5-RELEASE if this is correct > way. Can someone comment this? > > At Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:47:09 +0000 (UTC), > Keiichi SHIMA / $BEg7D0l(B wrote: > > fxp_stop() of the latest fxp driver do SOFTWARE_RESET when called. > > Shouldn't this be SELECTIVE_RESET? > > > > As I'm not familiar with fxp, would someone check and commit it to the > > repositry? The current code clears all the hardware mc filters > > already set, as a result, the box can't receive any multicast packets > > (this is a serious problem especially when using ipv6). > ... > > --- orig/if_fxp.c Thu Nov 8 18:30:10 2001 > > +++ if_fxp.c Thu Nov 22 17:22:38 2001 > > @@ -1429,7 +1429,7 @@ > > * Issue software reset, which also unloads the microcode. > > */ > > sc->flags &= ~FXP_FLAG_UCODE; > > - CSR_WRITE_4(sc, FXP_CSR_PORT, FXP_PORT_SOFTWARE_RESET); > > + CSR_WRITE_4(sc, FXP_CSR_PORT, FXP_PORT_SELECTIVE_RESET); > > DELAY(50); > > > > /* > > -- > Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. > // FreeBSD Project > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message --------------654D904BCA9115C5478D5450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="fxp-diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="fxp-diff" --- if_fxp.c.orig Wed Jan 9 18:17:12 2002 +++ if_fxp.c Tue Jan 22 00:11:02 2002 @@ -1411,10 +1411,9 @@ fxp_stop(struct fxp_softc *sc) untimeout(fxp_tick, sc, sc->stat_ch); /* - * Issue software reset, which also unloads the microcode. + * Issue a selective reset (a full reset would clear mcast filters!) */ - sc->flags &= ~FXP_FLAG_UCODE; - CSR_WRITE_4(sc, FXP_CSR_PORT, FXP_PORT_SOFTWARE_RESET); + CSR_WRITE_4(sc, FXP_CSR_PORT, FXP_PORT_SELECTIVE_RESET); DELAY(50); /* @@ -1484,6 +1483,16 @@ fxp_init(void *xsc) */ fxp_stop(sc); + /* + * If requested to unload microcode, we just do a full reset. + */ + if (~ifp->if_flags & IFF_LINK0 && sc->flags & FXP_FLAG_UCODE) { + sc->flags &= ~FXP_FLAG_UCODE; + CSR_WRITE_4(sc, FXP_CSR_PORT, FXP_PORT_SOFTWARE_RESET); + DELAY(50); + device_printf(sc->dev, "Microcode unloaded\n"); + } + prm = (ifp->if_flags & IFF_PROMISC) ? 1 : 0; /* @@ -2185,11 +2194,11 @@ sysctl_int_range(SYSCTL_HANDLER_ARGS, in static int sysctl_hw_fxp_int_delay(SYSCTL_HANDLER_ARGS) { - return (sysctl_int_range(oidp, arg1, arg2, req, 300, 3000)); + return (sysctl_int_range(oidp, arg1, arg2, req, 100, 1000)); } static int sysctl_hw_fxp_bundle_max(SYSCTL_HANDLER_ARGS) { - return (sysctl_int_range(oidp, arg1, arg2, req, 1, 0xffff)); + return (sysctl_int_range(oidp, arg1, arg2, req, 1, FXP_NRFABUFS>>1)); } --------------654D904BCA9115C5478D5450-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 16: 5:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (66-188-92-95.mad.wi.charter.com [66.188.92.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CA937B400; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0M01m840394; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:01:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:01:48 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Marko Zec Cc: "jlemon@freebsd.org" , Jun Kuriyama , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_fxp.c typo? Message-ID: <20020121180148.U59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <86y9kzqjlr.wl@keiichi01.osaka.iij.ad.jp> <7mn10ebxbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <3C4CA33C.BAD0F33B@tel.fer.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <3C4CA33C.BAD0F33B@tel.fer.hr> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:24:44AM +0100, Marko Zec wrote: > Hope this patch properly resolves the problem of unwanted resets of mcast > filters. However, when unloading the microcode, it is unavoidable to clear > the mcast filters, without making the code really complicated. This should > be probably stated in man-page as a kind of disclaimer... > Also, by this diff I suggest imposing a little bit more sane range limits > for int_delay and bundle_max. The multicast filter problem has already been resolved in r1.126 of the driver, by reloading the multicast filters on initialization. The value for bundle_max is explicitly allowed to go to 0xffff, from the Intel rcvbundl.h documentations: * .... If you do not want to put * a limit on the bundle size, set this value to xFFFF. The value for int_range is also correct, again from the Intel code: * .... The current default is either x600 or x800; * experiments show that the value probably should stay within the * range of x200 - x1000. There is an internal multiplier of 1.5 for the values, so a range of 300 - 3000 translates into 0x1C2 - 0x1194, with a default value of 0x5DC, which is "close enough". -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 16: 6:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1472237B405; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.191.21]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20020122000628.ORED22140.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:06:28 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE05192E; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 01D0920AC7; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:06:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:06:19 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: green@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/32175: ssh-keygen -p core dumps Message-ID: <20020122000618.GD4165@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <200201071556.g07Fufk82211@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201071556.g07Fufk82211@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon Jan 07, 2002 at 07:56:41AM -0800, green@FreeBSD.org wrote: >=20 > State-Changed-From-To: open->feedback > Committed to -CURRENT, thanks. Fix confirmed on -stable. Please commit fix before release. A. --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxMrPkACgkQttcWHAnWiGdgEwCfTzcBe/jO4cPXCrx3Ug77Shji FMcAnA7o+gn7job9Toc2r8yNRxOHDXkq =1PoF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uZ3hkaAS1mZxFaxD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 18: 4:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from inje.iskon.hr (inje.iskon.hr [213.191.128.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F296637B404 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tel.fer.hr (zg07-232.dialin.iskon.hr [213.191.150.233]) by mail.iskon.hr (8.11.4/8.11.4/Iskon 8.11.3-1) with ESMTP id g0M24HE15393; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:04:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3C4CC88D.64BDDFD7@tel.fer.hr> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:03:57 +0100 From: Marko Zec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_fxp.c typo? References: <86y9kzqjlr.wl@keiichi01.osaka.iij.ad.jp> <7mn10ebxbp.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <3C4CA33C.BAD0F33B@tel.fer.hr> <20020121180148.U59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Lemon wrote: > The multicast filter problem has already been resolved in r1.126 of > the driver, by reloading the multicast filters on initialization. Mea culpa, didn't follow the code development in detail recently. Nice. > The value for bundle_max is explicitly allowed to go to 0xffff, from > the Intel rcvbundl.h documentations: > > * .... If you do not want to put > * a limit on the bundle size, set this value to xFFFF. This is not a very wise thing to do - wouldn't it be better to generate an interrupt before all of the receive buffers get filled up? If that happens, the card will go in RNR state, so we will loose at least some packets in that case, and waste another couple of slow CPU-to-PCI cycles for restarting the receiver. > The value for int_range is also correct, again from the Intel code: > > * .... The current default is either x600 or x800; > * experiments show that the value probably should stay within the > * range of x200 - x1000. > > There is an internal multiplier of 1.5 for the values, so a range of > 300 - 3000 translates into 0x1C2 - 0x1194, with a default value of 0x5DC, > which is "close enough". Did you try to measure TCP throughput between two nodes that use small TCP window sizes (16K or less), with int_delay set to 1000 usec or more? On 3000 usec, TCP throughput drops in average from more than 10,5 Mbyte/s to only around 5. With all due respect to Intel's recommended and "probably" nice value ranges, int_delay set to more than 1 msec is an instant guarantee for throughput degradation, on all nodes that don't use large window TCP extensions. On the other hand, not allowing int_delay to be set lower than 300 usec is another nonsense - if Intel didn't put such restriction in it's own drivers (the values you refer to are only recommendations), why do we need to do it? Marko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 19:16: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FBA37B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:16:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14957; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:16:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0M3FlE18298; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:15:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15436.55651.27072.9578@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:15:47 -0700 To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Memory Requirements Legacy and Present In-Reply-To: <20020118.120516.62411486.imp@village.org> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117210634.01d8eec0@vmspop.isc.rit.edu> <3C47AE08.24F97802@www.kuzbass.ru> <20020118.120516.62411486.imp@village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I also have a 128MB P-133 that I use as my wireless gateway, booted > off of a 32M CF card. The only reason that i thas 128M rather than > the 8MB it came with was that I wanted the CF card to be mounted read > only (to save wear and tear on the card and to help proevent > accidents). Mounting memory file systems in 8M isn't really > possible. Tell that to the 486sx/33 box sitting next to me booting off a floppy. :) :) :) Everything runs fine, although I wouldn't call it 'multi-user', I can have one user login to the box and run tcpdump OR ping OR traceroute. However, if another user tries to login (at the console or remotely), it kills the new login process for using up too much memory. (The box is running 4.5PRE-PicoBSD!) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 22: 4:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nixie.ods.net (nixie.ods.net [206.55.70.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82B037B405; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:04:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from grungy.dstorm.net (scottymail@localhost) by nixie.ods.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05342; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:04:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scotty@klement.dstorm.net) From: scotty@klement.dstorm.net Received: from localhost (scotty@localhost) by grungy.dstorm.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0M64ac57737; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:04:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from scotty@klement.dstorm.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:04:30 -0600 (CST) X-X-Sender: scotty@grungy.dstorm.net To: Dmitry Valdov Cc: Bill Moran , , Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020121235548.D40648-100000@grungy.dstorm.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Dmitry Valdov wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: > > > FreeBSD limits both > > > drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. > > > > Are you sure you have an 80 conductor cable and that it isn't too long? > > Yes. When I disconnect secondary (non ATA-66/100 compliant) drive from this > cable, FreeBSD use ATA-100 on primary. > FWIW, I'm seeing the exact same symptom. I just added to 80gb Western Digital (IDE) drives to the system. I used the 80-wire cables that came with the drives, and I see the following messages: atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 . . . ad0: 19458MB [39535/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 ad1: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66 ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad2: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 ad3: 2503MB [5086/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA33 They are the exact same drives using the exact same cable. My controller only supports UDMA66, not 100... but the reason that the 2nd controller seems to print out "non-ATA66 compiant cable" appears to simply be that ad3 is only ATA33 capable. Just thought I'd pipe up, since the subject came up :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 23: 8: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (devco.net [196.15.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FC437B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Sv3y-000OFW-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:09:46 +0200 Received: from shell.devco.net ([196.15.188.7]) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Sv3x-000OFI-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:09:45 +0200 Received: from bvi by shell.devco.net with local (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16Sv7Y-000384-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:13:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:13:28 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before Message-ID: <20020122091328.L32746@itouchlabs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rob@robhughes.com on Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:48:54AM -0600 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 93214-1011683386-14169@mx1.dev.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I dont think this is neccesarily a new source code related bug. During the CodeRed / CodeRedII sagas of last year I had a number of NATD's lock up On a range of boxes from 4.3 right to 4.0, they exhibited a massive growth in memory usage 30MB+ and CPU time. Packets were getting handled, but ere taking forever, I was getting ping times on the order of 400 seconds. This also occured on network segments in 4 different continents. Again a pile of arp traffic was seen on the external side of the firewalls. My initial response was that state table swere filling up because of all the incomplete connections, but tests with synfloods by muself were unable to duplicate the problem. Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa On Mon 2002-01-21 (11:48), Robert D. Hughes wrote: > > CVSUP from 1/16, running natd with command /sbin/natd -config /etc/natd.conf -n dc0. Config file is: > > log_denied > log_facility security > use_sockets > same_ports > unregistered_only > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:80 x.x.x.x:80 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:443 x.x.x.x:443 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:8880 x.x.x.x:8880 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2953 x.x.x.x:2953 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2954 x.x.x.x:2954 > dynamic > punch_fw 10000:1000 > > I'm going to try removing the log options and see if it improves. but since this is a new issue with the recent cvs build, I did want to send out a query. > > What I'm seeing is natd going to well over 90% cpu on this box, which has never happened before to the best of my knowledge. What tcpdump is showing my is very large amounts of arp traffic on the external interface from a large part of the 12.237/16 network (yeah, I know, lame provider). Has anyone else been running into similar issues? > > "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -- Albert Einstein > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jan 21 23:11: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97A537B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:11:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32] ident=exim) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Sv59-00074O-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:10:59 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ident=danny) by pampa.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16Sv59-000DsF-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:10:59 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Ladislav Kostal , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, danny@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Jason K. Fritcher" of "Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:50:38 PST." <20020121114039.C45041-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:10:59 +0200 From: Danny Braniss Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Ladislav Kostal wrote: > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > > I'm trying to get a machine to netboot with the pxeboot loader and a Intel > > > PRO/100 S network card. I built pxeboot with tftp instead of nfs support, > > > as I am only looking to load a kernel with a mfs filesystem in it. > > > > If you want, I can send you my setup. But it is for Scom 3c905C (what > > should make no difference). > im no expert in reading btx dump, but from past experience, upgrading the firmware of the BIOS/NIC solved the problem. danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 1:38: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dream.mplik.ru (dream.mplik.ru [195.58.1.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B8137B419 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sight (sight.mplik.ru [195.58.27.104]) by dream.mplik.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA65536 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:37:31 +0500 (YEKT) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:34:47 +0500 From: Sergey Gershtein X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Business Reply-To: Sergey Gershtein Organization: Ural Relcom Ltd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <71617262877.20020122143447@ur.ru> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Our server runs FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE. Until recently everything was ok, but when we increased the amount of RAM from 1024Mb to 2048Mb strange lock-ups started to happen. All lock-ups happened at night where activity was pretty low. We run backup over nfs nightly, and there is a good chance it is nfs that causes the problem. When the lock-ups happen backup is usually somewhere in the middle and after the server is restarted backup finishes ok. The most strange thing about it is the lock-up itself. The server keeps responding to pings, keyboard is working (it is possible to switch consoles and type, but not log in), there is nothing on console and in any logs, but nothing else (cron, web server, telnet, ftp, etc) is working. Nothing even happens if ctrl-alt-del is pressed on console. After the hard reboot everything works fine until next night. Anyone has any ideas what can cause the problem? I don't think it is hardware problem, since server works fine all the day during heavy load. I suspect that there could be some problem with the amount of memory, maybe kernel (nfs code?) can't handle situation where cache gets too big (say, more than 1Gb)... Any ideas on how to investigate and find the problem will be greatly appreciated! Regards, Sergey Gershtein -- Ural Relcom Ltd, Ekaterinburg, Russia To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 2:30:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1440237B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:30:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16SyC0-000EQp-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:30:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:30:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Danny Braniss Cc: Ladislav Kostal , Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020122015725.O55292-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: > im no expert in reading btx dump, but from past experience, upgrading the > firmware of the BIOS/NIC solved the problem. Before I posted my first message, I flashed the last Boot Agent onto the NIC, and after seeing your message, I hunted down and flashed the last BIOS for the motherboard which was from mid 97. Unfortunately, it is still crashing with exactly the same halted message. For those that might be interested in the hardware, the system is a Pentium 166, on a Biostar 8500TUC MB with 32 MB of RAM. That particular MB uses the Intel 430HX chipset. Only expansion cards in the system are a Matrox Millenium video card, and the Intel PRO/100 S NIC. There are no hard drives or floppy drives in the system. This machine used to be my server until I replaced it a few months ago with a new machine. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 3:44:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFFD37B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:44:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32] ident=exim) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16SzLg-0006AS-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:44:20 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ident=danny) by pampa.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16SzLf-000E5U-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:44:19 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Jason K. Fritcher" of "Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:30:12 PST." <20020122015725.O55292-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:44:19 +0200 From: Danny Braniss Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: > Before I posted my first message, I flashed the last Boot Agent onto the > NIC, and after seeing your message, I hunted down and flashed the last BIOS > for the motherboard which was from mid 97. Unfortunately, it is still > crashing with exactly the same halted message. For those that might be > interested in the hardware, the system is a Pentium 166, on a Biostar > 8500TUC MB with 32 MB of RAM. That particular MB uses the Intel 430HX > chipset. Only expansion cards in the system are a Matrox Millenium video > card, and the Intel PRO/100 S NIC. There are no hard drives or floppy drives > in the system. This machine used to be my server until I replaced it a few > months ago with a new machine. ok, so till someone can shed some light from the BTX dump (hint hint), check 1) if the pxeboot is ok 2) try tcpdump/ethereal and see if all the file is laoded ok. i gather that the host you are trying to boot, actualy is in good health ? danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 5:22:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spitfire.ecc.engr.uky.edu (spitfire.ecc.engr.uky.edu [128.163.144.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AEF37B417 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from blackbird.ecc.engr.uky.edu ([128.163.144.69] helo=engr.uky.edu) by spitfire.ecc.engr.uky.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16T0sD-000GP0-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:22:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4D6728.1000303@engr.uky.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:20:40 -0500 From: Jason Stephenson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with Floppies in 4-STABLE? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I cvsup'd my machine at home on Sunday and rebuilt the system and kernel following the instructions in the handbook. Last night, when I tried to use the floppy drive, it didn't work. The first couple times that I tried it, I would get an "input/output error." Since the activity light on the drive never blinked, I took the case off my machine and checked that the cables were properly connected. They were. Next, I tried remaking the fd0 devices with sh MAKEDEV. This time, when I tried to access the drive, I got "device not configured." I also did a "sh MAKEDEV all." Here's how I have it configured in my kernel config: # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 and the kernel apparently sees it: fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold I've tried two floppies, one a msdos formatted disk and the other a tar archive that I made on the machine in question on 12/30 with 4.4 Release. I get the same error from "tar tf /dev/rfd0" as I do from "mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy". This is the first time I've tried using the floppy drive since moving to 4.5-RC on this machine. I have another machine at the office, the one I'm using now, that is also running 4.5-RC, but it was last cvsup'd on Jan. 15th. The floppies work on it, and it is configured more or less the same. Although, in looking at the output from dmesg, I do notice a difference: fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 The machine that doesn't see the floppy drive doesn't print the fd0: line. I'm wondering: has anything changed in the floppy code since Jan. 15th or is my floppy drive dead? -- Jason Stephenson - UNIX Administrator Univ. of KY College of Engineering 280 Anderson Hall - 7-5497 jjas@engr.uky.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 5:43:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iaces.com (horton.iaces.com [204.147.87.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2614037B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 05:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from iaces.com (ptroot.iaces.com [204.147.87.124]) by iaces.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0MDhXH73528 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:43:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from proot@iaces.com) Message-ID: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:43:32 -0600 From: Paul Root X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 3COM 3XP card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've recently received a 3COM ethernet card that has the 3XP chip allowing 3DES encryption on board. I see that the card is supported by 4.4. Can I use the encryption technology? How? Thanks, Paul. -- Paul T. Root E/Mail: proot@iaces.com 600 Stinson Blvd, Fl 1S PAG: +1 (877) 693-7155 Minneapolis, MN 55413 WRK: +1 (612) 664-3385 NIC: PTR FAX: +1 (612) 664-4779 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 6:49:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7918837B400; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:49:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-20-214.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.20.214]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01608; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:49:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020122084912.01831ca0@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:49:12 -0600 To: scotty@klement.dstorm.net, Dmitry Valdov From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request Cc: Bill Moran , , In-Reply-To: <20020121235548.D40648-100000@grungy.dstorm.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes, I always see this same thing if I place an older CD-ROM slave on the same cable. It drops to UDMA33. If I remove the CD-ROM, then the systme sees the cable fine as ATA100. If I then put my new CD-ROM on the cable, it likes that too. At 12:04 AM 1.22.2002 -0600, scotty@klement.dstorm.net wrote: > >On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Dmitry Valdov wrote: >> >> On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Bill Moran wrote: >> > > FreeBSD limits both >> > > drives on the bus because there is 'non-ATA66 compliant cable'. >> > >> > Are you sure you have an 80 conductor cable and that it isn't too long? >> >> Yes. When I disconnect secondary (non ATA-66/100 compliant) drive from this >> cable, FreeBSD use ATA-100 on primary. >> > >FWIW, I'm seeing the exact same symptom. I just added to 80gb Western >Digital (IDE) drives to the system. I used the 80-wire cables that came >with the drives, and I see the following messages: > >atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 >ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 >ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 >. . . >ad0: 19458MB [39535/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 >ad1: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66 >ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable >ad2: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 >ad3: 2503MB [5086/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA33 > >They are the exact same drives using the exact same cable. My controller >only supports UDMA66, not 100... but the reason that the 2nd controller >seems to print out "non-ATA66 compiant cable" appears to simply be that >ad3 is only ATA33 capable. > >Just thought I'd pipe up, since the subject came up :) > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 7:35:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58F637B447 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:34:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020122153456.ILNK28203.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:34:56 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4D86A0.1BDE2840@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:34:56 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Error in make buildworld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have recent sources (the most recent CTM delta). I do make -j4 buildworld on three different computers. It works on two of them, but on one of them (the fastest), I get: ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error I didn't get this problem when I removed the -j4. This computer had a hard drive failure a few months ago, and the replacement drive is exceedingly fast. So maybe this computer is "too fast" for -j4 to work. As computers get faster and faster, maybe more and more people will have this problem. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 7:49:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5C537B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0MFmvv05431; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:48:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:48:57 -0600 From: mikea To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error in make buildworld Message-ID: <20020122094857.A5407@mikea.ath.cx> References: <3C4D86A0.1BDE2840@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C4D86A0.1BDE2840@math.missouri.edu>; from stephen@math.missouri.edu on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:34:56AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:34:56AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > I have recent sources (the most recent CTM delta). I do make -j4 > buildworld > on three different computers. It works on two of them, but on one of > them (the fastest), I get: > > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man > ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > > I didn't get this problem when I removed the -j4. This computer had a > hard drive failure a few months ago, and the replacement drive is > exceedingly fast. So maybe this computer is "too fast" for -j4 to > work. As computers get faster and faster, maybe more and more people > will have this problem. This is a known difficulty with multiple make threads. Note that I do _NOT_ call it a problem. It is caused by a thread that needs getting to the part that expects to have been built before the thread that actually builds gets to the build-foo code. I have found that I frequently can reissue the same command and will get built before it is required by something in another thread, and the make will run to completion the second time. It _will_ _not_ always run to completion, and if the first part of the make code cleans up, so that the make always starts from a clean set of output files, it probably won't run to completion. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 7:59:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (leviathan.inethouston.net [66.64.12.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441A337B402; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5D8E3319BE5; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:48:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:48:23 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Paul Root Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card Message-ID: <20020122154823.GB34189@leviathan.inethouston.net> Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Mail-Followup-To: Paul Root , stable@freebsd.org References: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:43:32AM -0600, Paul Root wrote: > Hi, > I've recently received a 3COM ethernet card that > has the 3XP chip allowing 3DES encryption on board. > > I see that the card is supported by 4.4. Can I > use the encryption technology? How? > I have an intel pro S that does the same, but I don't think freebsd currently supports this in these features although I have heard that its rumored someone is being sponsored to add this feature. -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. dwcjr@freebsd.org FreeBSD Committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 8:11:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (66-188-92-95.mad.wi.charter.com [66.188.92.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C828037B416 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MG7jT70578; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:07:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:07:45 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Paul Root , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card Message-ID: <20020122100745.V59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> <20020122154823.GB34189@leviathan.inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20020122154823.GB34189@leviathan.inethouston.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:48:23AM -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:43:32AM -0600, Paul Root wrote: > > Hi, > > I've recently received a 3COM ethernet card that > > has the 3XP chip allowing 3DES encryption on board. > > > > I see that the card is supported by 4.4. Can I > > use the encryption technology? How? > > > I have an intel pro S that does the same, but I don't think freebsd > currently supports this in these features although I have heard that > its rumored someone is being sponsored to add this feature. Not for Intel cards - not unless Intel is willing to release documentation. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 8:17:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E155137B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0MGHo636259 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:17:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:17:50 -0500 From: Bob K To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problem with Floppies in 4-STABLE? Message-ID: <20020122111749.G1158@yip.org> References: <3C4D6728.1000303@engr.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C4D6728.1000303@engr.uky.edu>; from jjas@engr.uky.edu on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 08:20:40AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 08:20:40AM -0500, Jason Stephenson wrote: > > The machine that doesn't see the floppy drive doesn't print the fd0: line. > > I'm wondering: has anything changed in the floppy code since Jan. 15th > or is my floppy drive dead? You could always test the floppy by trying to boot from it. -- Bob | Please don't feed the sock puppet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 8:59:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (leviathan.inethouston.net [66.64.12.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F00E37B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6538A319AFB; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:59:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:59:09 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Jonathan Lemon Cc: Paul Root , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card Message-ID: <20020122165909.GC40332@leviathan.inethouston.net> Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Mail-Followup-To: Jonathan Lemon , Paul Root , stable@freebsd.org References: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> <20020122154823.GB34189@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20020122100745.V59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020122100745.V59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I have an intel pro S that does the same, but I don't think freebsd > > currently supports this in these features although I have heard that > > its rumored someone is being sponsored to add this feature. > > Not for Intel cards - not unless Intel is willing to release documentation. Ah, so it does work on 3com cards? I might start buying those for my ipsec vpn's then. -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. dwcjr@freebsd.org FreeBSD Committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 9: 6:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (66-188-92-95.mad.wi.charter.com [66.188.92.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4A937B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MH30h72637; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:03:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:03:00 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Jonathan Lemon , Paul Root , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card Message-ID: <20020122110300.W59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <3C4D6C84.25838EA3@iaces.com> <20020122154823.GB34189@leviathan.inethouston.net> <20020122100745.V59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> <20020122165909.GC40332@leviathan.inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20020122165909.GC40332@leviathan.inethouston.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:59:09AM -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I have an intel pro S that does the same, but I don't think freebsd > > > currently supports this in these features although I have heard that > > > its rumored someone is being sponsored to add this feature. > > > > Not for Intel cards - not unless Intel is willing to release documentation. > > Ah, so it does work on 3com cards? I might start buying those for my > ipsec vpn's then. No, not yet. I am working on hardware IPSEC support, but the chips that I'm initially targeting are HiFn based. After I get the networking infrastructure changes completed, then I'll look at adding support for the 3com boards. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 9:22: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fem.uniag.sk (fem.uniag.sk [193.87.97.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5237B417 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lk01@localhost) by fem.uniag.sk (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0MHJgJ17134; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:19:42 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:19:42 +0100 (MET) From: Ladislav Kostal To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Ladislav Kostal , Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <20020121114039.C45041-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > That would be cool to look at. Thanks. 1. /usr/ports/net/isc-dhcp3 dhcpd.conf: allow booting; allow bootp; ddns-update-style none; authoritative; option domain-name "your-domain.org"; option routers 192.168.1.2; option broadcast-address 192.168.1.255; option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.3; server-name "myserver"; server-identifier 192.168.1.1; default-lease-time 7200; max-lease-time 7200; subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { filename "pxeboot"; use-host-decl-names on; host tc1 { hardware ethernet 00:50:da:e0:bd:4f; fixed-address 192.168.1.10; } } 2. tftp server tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/libexec/tftpd tftpd /tftp 3. place /boot/pxeroot to /tftp 4. /etc/exports /pxeroot -maproot=0 192.168.1.10 /usr -ro 192.168.1.10 5. enable nfs server in /etc/rc.conf nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" portmap_enable="YES" 6. compile DISKLESS kernel and put it to /pxeroot (can gzip -9 for faster loading from server) machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident DISKLESS maxusers 0 options INET options FFS options SOFTUPDATES options UFS_DIRHASH options MFS options NFS options NFS_ROOT options NO_SWAPPING options NULLFS options MSDOSFS options CD9660 options PROCFS options COMPAT_43 options UCONSOLE options USERCONFIG options VISUAL_USERCONFIG options KTRACE options SYSVSHM options SYSVMSG options SYSVSEM options P1003_1B options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV options CPU_ENABLE_SSE options VESA options USER_LDT device isa device pci device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? pseudo-device splash device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 device miibus device xl # place your card's driver here device pcm pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device tun pseudo-device pty pseudo-device md pseudo-device bpf 7. populate /pxeroot tree using script in /usr/share/examples/diskless/clone_root (change DEST to /pxeroot) 8. edit /pxeroot/etc/rc appropriatelly if necessary. I make one file from rc.diskless1 and 2 (this is just ugly hack, but working properly:): chkerr() { case $1 in 0) ;; *) echo "$2 failed: dropping into /bin/sh" /bin/sh # RESUME ;; esac } # Figure out our interface and IP. bootp_ifc="" bootp_ipa="" bootp_ipbca="" iflist=`ifconfig -l` for i in ${iflist} ; do set `ifconfig ${i}` while [ $# -ge 1 ] ; do if [ "${bootp_ifc}" = "" -a "$1" = "inet" ] ; then bootp_ifc=${i} ; bootp_ipa=${2} ; shift fi if [ "${bootp_ipbca}" = "" -a "$1" = "broadcast" ] ; then bootp_ipbca=$2; shift fi shift done if [ "${bootp_ifc}" != "" ] ; then break fi done mount_md() { if [ -n "$4" ]; then bpi="-i $4" fi /sbin/mount_mfs -c 104 -s $1 -T qp120at $bpi dummy $2 } # If there is a global system configuration file, suck it in. if [ -r /etc/defaults/rc.conf ]; then . /etc/defaults/rc.conf source_rc_confs elif [ -r /etc/rc.conf ]; then . /etc/rc.conf fi mount_md 4096 /var 1 /bin/mkdir /var/db /bin/mkdir /var/spool /bin/mkdir /var/spool/output /bin/mkdir /var/spool/lock /bin/mkdir /var/log /bin/mkdir /var/at /bin/mkdir /var/at/jobs /bin/mkdir /var/run /bin/mkdir /var/cron /bin/mkdir /var/cron/tabs /bin/chmod 0700 /var/cron/tabs mount /usr set `/usr/bin/grep ${bootp_ipa} /etc/hosts` hostname $2 LOGFILES=`/usr/bin/awk '$1 != "#" { printf "%s ", $1 } ' /etc/newsyslog.conf` if [ -n "$LOGFILES" ]; then /usr/bin/touch $LOGFILES fi /usr/bin/touch /var/log/lastlog mount -a # chown and chgrp are in /usr /bin/mkdir /tmp/vi.recover /bin/chmod 1777 /tmp/vi.recover /bin/ln -s /tmp /var/tmp # extract a list of device entries, then copy them to a writable fs (cd /; find -x dev | cpio -o -H newc) > /tmp/dev.tmp mount_md 4096 /dev 3 512 (cd /; cpio -i -H newc -d < /tmp/dev.tmp) 9. edit /pxeroot/boot/loader.rc: echo Loading kernel... load /kernel echo Booting... set vfs.root.mountfrom="nfs:" boot 10. Enable PXE on your card and boot. 11. I had some problem with out NBASE switch, which doesn't like DHCP or so. Switching connection to Baystack enabled booting... I don't know why. Maybe I forgot some step, so I you will have some problems, write me. Ladislav Kostal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 10:22:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hindenburg.eboai.org (hindenburg.eboai.org [206.183.134.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51EEE37B482 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by hindenburg.eboai.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DF66F5E2E0; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:21:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:21:34 -0500 From: Chip Marshall To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: MSAC-US1 umass problem Message-ID: <20020122132134.A15834@setzer.chocobo.cx> Reply-To: chip@chocobo.cx Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i X-URL: http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ X-OS: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 up 107 days, 11:44 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm having a sort of odd problem with a Sony MSAC-US1 USB Memory Stick reading under FreeBSD 4.5-RC (Tue Jan 22 13:10:18 EST 2002). When I boot up, the card reader is found as a Texas Instruments USB hub, which is normal. The first time I insert a card, it attaches a umass device correctly and I get a da device. If I remove that card and reinsert it, no attachment is made. I turned on some of the related DEBUG options in the kernel, and noticed that on the second insert, it was getting caught on: umass0: Sony MSAC-US1, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 3, UFI over CBI umass0:0:0:-1: Attached to scbus0 as device 0 scbus0: scanning for umass0:0:0:-1 umass-sim:0:-1:-1:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:0:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:0:0:0:XPT_PATH_INQ:. umass0:0:0:0:XPT_SCSI_IO: cmd: 0x12, flags: 0x40, 6b cmd/36b data/18b sense umass-sim:0:1:0:func_code 0x0004: Invalid target (no wildcard) umass-sim:0:2:0:func_code 0x0004: Invalid target (no wildcard) umass0: Attach finished umass0: Handling CBI state 10 (CBI Command), xfer=0xc1941d80, NORMAL_COMPLETION umass0: Handling CBI state 11 (CBI Data), xfer=0xc1941e00, NORMAL_COMPLETION umass0: 0x 008000011f000000536f6e7920202020 buffer=0xc1935e84, buflen=36 umass0: 0x 4d5341432d5553312020202020202020 umass0: 0x 312e3030 umass0: Fetching 0b sense data Nothing much seems to happen after that. Removing and reinserting the card doesn't change anything, and I no longer get any additional messages about it. A usbdevs hangs once it gets to the hub device. The only other USB device connected is a Microsoft IntelliMouse. This is all off of a 4-port USB PCI card from CompUSA, it appears to be a Lucent QuardaBus chip. This was working fine on my other machine, running 4.4-RELEASE, but that was with a different USB chipset, so I'm not sure if this is a problem with the interface card, or is a problem with 4.5-RC. -- Chip Marshall http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ GCM/CS d+(-) s+:++ a20>? C++ UB++++$ P+++$ L- E--- W++ N@ o K- w O M+ V-- PS+ PE Y+ PGP+ t+@ 5 X R@ tv+() b++>+++ DI++++ D(-) G++ e>++ h->++ r++ y- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 10:28:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mmx01.gmu.edu (mmx01.gmu.edu [129.174.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0F837B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CERBERUS ([129.174.130.10]) by mmx01.gmu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GQCRC100.7A0; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:28:49 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Steve Bernard" To: "Jonathan Lemon" , Subject: RE: 3COM 3XP card Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020122110300.W59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan, Are you porting the OpenBSD code for HiFn chips? Either way, which chipsets are you planning on writting drivers for? Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jonathan Lemon Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:03 PM To: Jonathan Lemon; Paul Root; stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:59:09AM -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > I have an intel pro S that does the same, but I don't think freebsd > > > currently supports this in these features although I have heard that > > > its rumored someone is being sponsored to add this feature. > > > > Not for Intel cards - not unless Intel is willing to release documentation. > > Ah, so it does work on 3com cards? I might start buying those for my > ipsec vpn's then. No, not yet. I am working on hardware IPSEC support, but the chips that I'm initially targeting are HiFn based. After I get the networking infrastructure changes completed, then I'll look at adding support for the 3com boards. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 10:36: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (66-188-92-95.mad.wi.charter.com [66.188.92.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A37937B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:36:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MIWIn76374; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:32:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:32:18 -0600 From: Jonathan Lemon To: Steve Bernard Cc: Jonathan Lemon , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card Message-ID: <20020122123218.C59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> References: <20020122110300.W59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 01:28:58PM -0500, Steve Bernard wrote: > Jonathan, > > Are you porting the OpenBSD code for HiFn chips? Either way, which chipsets > are you planning on writting drivers for? That was the original plan. However, our code is different enough from OpenBSD that a simple port doesn't appear to be feasible, more work is needed to shim things into our networking stack. For the first round, I'm planning on support for HiFn (7751, 7791) boards, as that is the hardware that I have. More drivers can be added later, assuming I'm able to get the hardware and documentation for them. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 10:49:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455FA37B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16T5zA-000FNU-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:32 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:30 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Danny Braniss Cc: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020122102015.K58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: > ok, so till someone can shed some light from the BTX dump (hint hint), check > 1) if the pxeboot is ok I've rebuilt pxeboot from /usr/src/sys/boot. The last rebuild I did was to enable BTXLDR_VERBOSE in the btxldr dir, but I'm probably going to remove that since it looks like btxldr is completeing its job. > 2) try tcpdump/ethereal and see if all the file is laoded ok. I have used a tftp client on my windows box to transfer the file across the network, and I compared that copy to the original on the server and they were both the same. I don't have a packet sniffer on my windows box, but it should be easy to get one... or just attach my linux laptop to the lan and sniff from there. > i gather that the host you are trying to boot, actualy is in good health ? It should be. The machine had worked like a champ for 3-4 years before hand as a FreeBSD server. Only reason I replaced it was the cpu was getting a little too slow for my taste. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 10:58:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cs.huji.ac.il (cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CDE37B425 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32] ident=exim) by cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16T67q-0001M2-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:30 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ident=danny) by pampa.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 16T67q-000EPS-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:30 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message from "Jason K. Fritcher" of "Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:30 PST." <20020122102015.K58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:30 +0200 From: Danny Braniss Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG let me try a hunch, if the host has any hard disk attach, detach it. danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:24:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955CD37B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16T6Wr-000FSM-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:24:21 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Ladislav Kostal Cc: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020122105108.G58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ladislav Kostal wrote: > 1. /usr/ports/net/isc-dhcp3 Have you found that version 3 is needed? I've been using v2 myself. [snip] > 4. /etc/exports > > /pxeroot -maproot=0 192.168.1.10 > /usr -ro 192.168.1.10 > > 5. enable nfs server in /etc/rc.conf > > nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" > nfs_server_enable="YES" > portmap_enable="YES" I've thought about doing this, but I'd much rather try to make the tftp version work. Enabling NFS just to transfer 2 files once every 3-4 months seems silly to me. > 6. compile DISKLESS kernel and put it to /pxeroot > (can gzip -9 for faster loading from server) For my initial testing, I'm using the kernel and mfsroot from the install floppies. I used Alfred Perlstein's instructions to extract the files from the floppy images and hints about how DHCP. Once I can get a kernel to transfer and booting up, I'll start building the filesystem. Right now, I just wanna see the kernel start. :) [snip] > 11. I had some problem with out NBASE switch, which doesn't like DHCP or > so. Switching connection to Baystack enabled booting... I don't know why. FWIW, I'm doing all this on my home lan through a 3com 10Base-T hub, although I have considered going up to the Netgear FS308. > Maybe I forgot some step, so I you will have some problems, write me. Thanks! :) -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:28: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3989337B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16T6aJ-000FTA-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:27:55 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:27:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Danny Braniss Cc: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020122112440.X58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: > let me try a hunch, if the host has any hard disk attach, detach it. Nope. No hard drives or floppy drives are attached to the system. I've also disabled both IDE controllers and the FDC in the system BIOS. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:37:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E66637B41F for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46515D31; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:37:01 -0800 (PST) To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Ladislav Kostal , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:24:20 PST." <20020122105108.G58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:37:01 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20020122193701.A46515D31@ptavv.es.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:24:20 -0800 (PST) > From: "Jason K. Fritcher" > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Ladislav Kostal wrote: > > 1. /usr/ports/net/isc-dhcp3 > > Have you found that version 3 is needed? I've been using v2 myself. V3 is the currently released version and V2 is now frozen. The ISC DHCP web page makes no reference to V2 other than to mention that older V2 releases have a serious security hole. It lacks many features of V3 and has some problems in dealing with abandoned leases that V3 fixes. I see no reason that anyone should run V2 other than "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:43:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83EC37B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from dior.ics.muni.cz (dior.ics.muni.cz [147.251.6.10]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA01606 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:43:18 +0100 (MET) Received: (from hopet@localhost) by dior.ics.muni.cz (8.10.1/8.10.0.Beta12) id g0MJhHS26518; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:43:17 +0100 (MET) From: Petr Holub Message-Id: <200201221943.g0MJhHS26518@dior.ics.muni.cz> Subject: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:43:17 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, I've noticed cvsup-16.1f package has been built with XFree86 libraries. I think that's quite unfortunate because there's lot of server machines around that don't have X installed at all. So they need to build cvsup from sources to be able to cvsup port tree. With best regards, Petr Holub To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:55: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD1237B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:55:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MJsvm96250; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:54:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200201221943.g0MJhHS26518@dior.ics.muni.cz> References: <200201221943.g0MJhHS26518@dior.ics.muni.cz> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:54:56 -0500 To: Petr Holub , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 8:43 PM +0100 1/22/02, Petr Holub wrote: >Hi all, > >I've noticed cvsup-16.1f package has been built with >XFree86 libraries. I think that's quite unfortunate because >there's lot of server machines around that don't have >X installed at all. So they need to build cvsup from >sources to be able to cvsup port tree. I believe there is also a 'cvsup-without-gui' package/port. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:58:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCD737B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dior.ics.muni.cz (dior.ics.muni.cz [147.251.6.10]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02731; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:10 +0100 (MET) Received: (from hopet@localhost) by dior.ics.muni.cz (8.10.1/8.10.0.Beta12) id g0MJwAF27289; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:10 +0100 (MET) From: Petr Holub Message-Id: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 In-Reply-To: from Garance A Drosihn at "Jan 22, 2002 02:54:56 pm" To: Garance A Drosihn Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:58:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: Petr Holub , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I believe there is also a 'cvsup-without-gui' package/port. Nope. At least not in the precompiled package. BTW: once compiling from sources one can use WITHOUT_X11 variable to tell make not to include X libs. Petr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 11:59:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBB637B417 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:59:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0MJxk533121 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:59:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:53:34 -0500 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: make -j4 world Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Not sure why, but make -j4 world seems to consistently barf for me at the same place. Note, this is *after* a cvsup; buildworld;buildkernel;installworld;installkernel;mergemaster etc;reboot ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 Its always in the same place. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12: 1:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BF837B41D for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MK1P252947; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g0MK1Px95581; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201222001.g0MK1Px95581@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: hopet@ics.muni.cz Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 In-Reply-To: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> References: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz>, Petr Holub wrote: > > I believe there is also a 'cvsup-without-gui' package/port. > > Nope. At least not in the precompiled package. There is definitely a cvsup-without-gui port. It's possible that the packages for it haven't been built yet. Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12: 6: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aragorn.ics.muni.cz (aragorn.ics.muni.cz [147.251.4.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DAC37B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dior.ics.muni.cz (dior.ics.muni.cz [147.251.6.10]) by aragorn.ics.muni.cz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA03251; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:53 +0100 (MET) Received: (from hopet@localhost) by dior.ics.muni.cz (8.10.1/8.10.0.Beta12) id g0MK5rj27751; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:53 +0100 (MET) From: Petr Holub Message-Id: <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz> Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 In-Reply-To: <200201222001.g0MK1Px95581@vashon.polstra.com> from John Polstra at "Jan 22, 2002 12:01:25 pm" To: John Polstra Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:05:53 +0100 (MET) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, hopet@ics.muni.cz X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Petr Holub wrote: > > > I believe there is also a 'cvsup-without-gui' package/port. > > > > Nope. At least not in the precompiled package. > > There is definitely a cvsup-without-gui port. It's possible that the > packages for it haven't been built yet. > > Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. > CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller > and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. The point is I think it should be built till the 4.5 final release. That's why I'm writing about it (I'm not afraid of building from sources :-) ). Thanks, Petr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12: 9:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE63937B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MK98253005; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g0MK98295656; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:09:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:09:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201222009.g0MK98295656@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: hopet@ics.muni.cz Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 In-Reply-To: <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz> References: <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz>, Petr Holub wrote: > > Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. > > CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller > > and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. > > The point is I think it should be built till the 4.5 final release. > That's why I'm writing about it (I'm not afraid of building from > sources :-) ). Don't worry about that. The ports freeze is scheduled for 26 January, and our fantastic ports team will build all packages for the release at that time. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:11:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA22037B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MKB2S63771; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:11:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:11:01 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world Message-ID: <20020122151101.A63740@blackhelicopters.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.net on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:53:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you tried it without the -j? On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:53:34PM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Hi, > Not sure why, but make -j4 world seems to consistently barf for me at the > same place. Note, this is *after* a cvsup; > buildworld;buildkernel;installworld;installkernel;mergemaster etc;reboot > > > > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend > -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man > ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend > -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > > Its always in the same place. > > ---Mike > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org my FreeBSD column: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:12:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 417DA37B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020122201243.WXES3699.femail11.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:12:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DC7B6.B6C55696@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:12:38 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mikea Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error in make buildworld References: <3C4D86A0.1BDE2840@math.missouri.edu> <20020122094857.A5407@mikea.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mikea wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:34:56AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > I have recent sources (the most recent CTM delta). I do make -j4 > > buildworld > > on three different computers. It works on two of them, but on one of > > them (the fastest), I get: > > > > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol > > rm -f .depend > > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c > > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND > > echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man > > ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg > > rm -f .depend > > mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > > /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c > > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND > > echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > *** Error code 2 > > 1 error > > > > I didn't get this problem when I removed the -j4. This computer had a > > hard drive failure a few months ago, and the replacement drive is > > exceedingly fast. So maybe this computer is "too fast" for -j4 to > > work. As computers get faster and faster, maybe more and more people > > will have this problem. > > This is a known difficulty with multiple make threads. Note that > I do _NOT_ call it a problem. It is caused by a thread that > needs getting to the part that expects to have been > built before the thread that actually builds gets to the > build-foo code. I have found that I frequently can reissue the > same command and will get built before it is required by > something in another thread, and the make will run to completion > the second time. > But shouldn't the make wait until the first thread finishes before starting the dependent thread? (But I guess if the computer is really fast, it doesn't matter if you don't have -j4. make buildworld takes 45 minutes on the "fast" machine.) -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:15:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (devco.net [196.15.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1254D37B421 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16T7LW-000By1-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:42 +0200 Received: from shell.devco.net ([196.15.188.7]) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16T7LV-000Bxu-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:16:41 +0200 Received: from bvi by shell.devco.net with local (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16T7P7-0005BG-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:20:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:20:24 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Make world broken ? Message-ID: <20020122222024.A32746@itouchlabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 46001-1011730601-40788@mx1.dev.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG HI All I got this error on the evening of the 21st +- 19h00 GMT, and I have just cvsupp'd again and still the same problem su-2.05 /usr/src# make ===> lib/csu/i386-elf make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/stddef.h. Stop *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. su-2.05# System is FreeBSD shagrat.prv.moria.org 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #1: Sat Jan 12 14:23:12 SAST 2002 root@shagrat.prv.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/SHAGRAT i386 Upgrade from 4.4-RELEASE to 4.5 RC1 was painless Any Ideas ?? Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:15:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tp.databus.com (p72-186.acedsl.com [66.114.72.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0378D37B405 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from barney@localhost) by tp.databus.com (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0MKEaP43475; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:14:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:14:31 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: Mike Tancsa Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world Message-ID: <20020122151431.A43296@tp.databus.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca>; from mike@sentex.net on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:53:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do make cleandir; make cleandir; make clean; and then it should go fine. I'm not sure that all of those are necessary, but they were sufficient for me to get around the same error. On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:53:34PM -0500, Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Hi, > Not sure why, but make -j4 world seems to consistently barf for me at the > same place. Note, this is *after* a cvsup; > buildworld;buildkernel;installworld;installkernel;mergemaster etc;reboot > > > > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend > -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man > ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg > rm -f .depend > mkdep -f .depend > -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include > /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c > cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND > echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > 1 error > *** Error code 2 > > Its always in the same place. > > ---Mike > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 > Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net > Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net > Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Barney Wolff "Nonetheless, ease and peace had left this people still curiously tough. They were, if it came to it, difficult to daunt or to kill; and they were, perhaps, so unwearyingly fond of good things not least because they could, when put to it, do without them, and could survive rough handling by grief, foe, or weather in a way that astonished those who did not know them well and looked no further than their bellies and their well-fed faces." J.R.R.T. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:17:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2337B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MKH4j10679; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:17:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:17:03 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: John Polstra Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hopet@ics.muni.cz Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 Message-ID: <20020122211703.A10652@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz> <200201222009.g0MK98295656@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201222009.g0MK98295656@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:09:08PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:09:08PM -0800, John Polstra wrote: > In article <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz>, > Petr Holub wrote: > > > > Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. > > > CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller > > > and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. > > > > The point is I think it should be built till the 4.5 final release. > > That's why I'm writing about it (I'm not afraid of building from > > sources :-) ). > > Don't worry about that. The ports freeze is scheduled for 26 January, > and our fantastic ports team will build all packages for the release > at that time. Make that "x86 packages". It looks like there will be no packages at all for Alpha given that the Alpha ports cluster is somewhat mysteriously AWOL it seems. W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:20:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA86337B41A for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0MKKMK06805; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:20:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:20:22 -0600 From: mikea To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Error in make buildworld Message-ID: <20020122142022.B6717@mikea.ath.cx> References: <3C4D86A0.1BDE2840@math.missouri.edu> <20020122094857.A5407@mikea.ath.cx> <3C4DC7B6.B6C55696@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C4DC7B6.B6C55696@math.missouri.edu>; from stephen@math.missouri.edu on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:12:38PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 02:12:38PM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > mikea wrote: > > This is a known difficulty with multiple make threads. Note that > > I do _NOT_ call it a problem. It is caused by a thread that > > needs getting to the part that expects to have been > > built before the thread that actually builds gets to the > > build-foo code. I have found that I frequently can reissue the > > same command and will get built before it is required by > > something in another thread, and the make will run to completion > > the second time. > But shouldn't the make wait until the first thread finishes before > starting the dependent thread? > > (But I guess if the computer is really fast, it doesn't matter if you > don't have -j4. make buildworld takes 45 minutes on the "fast" > machine.) I haven't noticed that thread synchronization (if make does any) is particularly good for -j 4 or bigger. I have seen that -j 4 is safe on my 2xPIII-866 system, and that -j 8 or larger will fail from time to time because of dependencies not being satisfied. I'm running 4.5-RC1, with UDMA-66 disks and 1GB of RAM, and it runs like a scalded ape, but sometimes make just falls over dead because it needs and 's not built yet. Maybe someone with more knowledge can discuss thread synch issues in make, or provide some URLs. I'd like to know more. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:26:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D832637B420 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0MKQA538119; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:26:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:19:58 -0500 To: Michael Lucas From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: make -j4 world Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020122151101.A63740@blackhelicopters.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 03:11 PM 1/22/02 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: >Have you tried it without the -j? Yes, it always works fine as does -j2 (so far). In the past -j4 has worked for me. ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4E637B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07444; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:29:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:29:05 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Michael Lucas , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 03:11 PM 1/22/02 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > >> Have you tried it without the -j? > > > > Yes, it always works fine as does -j2 (so far). In the past -j4 has > worked for me. I'm updating my mirror right now. I will know if I have problems in 30 minutes. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:39:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA46137B449 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20020122203909.NHFM25713.femail25.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu>; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:39:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kent Stewart Cc: Mike Tancsa , Michael Lucas , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart wrote: > > Mike Tancsa wrote: > > > At 03:11 PM 1/22/02 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: > > > >> Have you tried it without the -j? > > > > > > > > Yes, it always works fine as does -j2 (so far). In the past -j4 has > > worked for me. > > I'm updating my mirror right now. I will know if I have problems in 30 > minutes. > On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I only saw this problem on the fastest machine. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:41:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0395037B405 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08622; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:40:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DCE49.7050100@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:40:41 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Mike Tancsa , Michael Lucas , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Kent Stewart wrote: > >>Mike Tancsa wrote: >> >> >>>At 03:11 PM 1/22/02 -0500, Michael Lucas wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Have you tried it without the -j? >>>> >>> >>> >>>Yes, it always works fine as does -j2 (so far). In the past -j4 has >>>worked for me. >>> >>I'm updating my mirror right now. I will know if I have problems in 30 >>minutes. >> >> > > On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem > on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I > only saw this problem on the fastest machine. The system is an AMD 1600+ XP and will do a buildworld in 26 minutes with -j4. It has never had a failure. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:44:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CAC37B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:43:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16T7lf-000FeS-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:43:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:43:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Kevin Oberman Cc: Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <20020122193701.A46515D31@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: <20020122122616.F58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kevin Oberman wrote: > V3 is the currently released version and V2 is now frozen. The ISC > DHCP web page makes no reference to V2 other than to mention that > older V2 releases have a serious security hole. It lacks many features > of V3 and has some problems in dealing with abandoned leases that V3 > fixes. I see no reason that anyone should run V2 other than "if it > ain't broke, don't fix it". I've been running v2 for so long, that I didn't bother to look into v3. Thanks for the tip. :) -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:45:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4608837B425 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0MKjCm72660; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:45:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> References: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:45:11 -0500 To: Petr Holub From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 Cc: Petr Holub , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.3 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 8:58 PM +0100 1/22/02, Petr Holub wrote: > > I believe there is also a 'cvsup-without-gui' package/port. > >Nope. At least not in the precompiled package. Well, I built and installed cvsup-without-gui from my ports collection, just this past weekend... :-) But I don't know what's available via pre-compiled packages. I tend to install everything via a port (compiling it myself). -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 12:51: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from transbay.net (www.transbay.net [209.133.53.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D200837B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from borges.codysbooks.com (stalwart.codysbooks.com [209.133.54.175]) by transbay.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g0MKovh13497 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:50:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:56:45 -0800 From: Scott Reese To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make -j4 world Message-Id: <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> In-Reply-To: <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> Organization: Cody's Books X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.5) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem > on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I > only saw this problem on the fastest machine. > I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) using the "-j" flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" ran much faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the same with kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really see a need for the "-j" flags anyway. Just my $.02. -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13: 4:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zaphon.llamas.net (zaphon.llamas.net [207.203.36.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3905837B41E for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10936 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2002 21:04:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:04:31 -0700 From: Greg Rumple To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make -j4 world Message-ID: <20020122140431.R69194@zaphon.llamas.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com>; from sreese@codysbooks.com on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:56:45PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Scott Reese (sreese@codysbooks.com) [020122 20:52]: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem > > on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I > > only saw this problem on the fastest machine. > > > > I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) using the "-j" > flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" ran much > faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the same with > kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really see a need > for the "-j" flags anyway. Well the machines I use make -j on are SMP machines, and using -j does make a difference. I tend to use make -j 16 (2 p3-1Ghz cpu's, 2 gigs of ram) in order to finish as rapidly as possible. This is significantly faster than make by it's self. I have actually done a spreadsheet using this machine about 6 months ago, I should do it again. Looking at the benefit of make -j finding the optimial value. I haven't done a CVSUP up today, so not sure if this is happening to me or not. Greg -- Greg Rumple grumple@zaphon.llamas.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13: 5:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110F837B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:05:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11392; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:04:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DD3D9.3000206@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:04:25 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Reese Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Scott Reese wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > >>On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem >>on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I >>only saw this problem on the fastest machine. >> >> > > I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) using the "-j" > flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" ran much > faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the same with > kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really see a need > for the "-j" flags anyway. That has also been my experience on most of my single cpu systems. I find the combination of # of controllers and ATA-100 drives makes a difference. I have one XP system setup with a -j4 and the other with -j6. I just finished a buildworld. It required 26:40. I have a make script that I uncomment the line I want it to use. The make script is setup to use no -j to -j12 in steps of 2. The system with -j6 used to be a dual 866 coppermine and I hadn't noticed that it was still -j6. There were two threads of build failures and I am not seeing it the buildworld fail on this end. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:10: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015037B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ML9q346636; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:09:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122160206.0475a170@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:03:38 -0500 To: Kent Stewart From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: make -j4 world Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3C4DD3D9.3000206@owt.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just successfully completed a -j2 on the same machine. Apart from rm -R /usr/obj nothing was/is different. What extra debugging information can I provide to help track this down ? The machine is not in production so I can do with it as needed. ---Mike At 01:04 PM 1/22/02 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: >Scott Reese wrote: > >>On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 >>Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> >>>On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem >>>on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I >>>only saw this problem on the fastest machine. >>> >>I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) using >>the "-j" >>flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" ran >>much >>faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the >>same with >>kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really see a need >>for the "-j" flags anyway. > > >That has also been my experience on most of my single cpu systems. I find >the combination of # of controllers and ATA-100 drives makes a difference. >I have one XP system setup with a -j4 and the other with -j6. I just >finished a buildworld. It required 26:40. I have a make script that I >uncomment the line I want it to use. The make script is setup to use no -j >to -j12 in steps of 2. The system with -j6 used to be a dual 866 >coppermine and I hadn't noticed that it was still -j6. > >There were two threads of build failures and I am not seeing it the >buildworld fail on this end. > > >Kent > >-- >Kent Stewart >Richland, WA > >mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com >http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html >FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:11: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from TheWorld.com (pcls3.std.com [199.172.62.105]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30D737B434; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:10:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.TheWorld.com (root@shell01.TheWorld.com [199.172.62.241]) by TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01244; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:10:21 -0500 Received: (from kwc@localhost) by shell.TheWorld.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA9516725; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kenneth W Cochran Message-Id: <200201222110.QAA9516725@shell.TheWorld.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel option USER_LDT issues in -stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Are there any issues (security, reliablity, performance, etc.) with regard to the USER_LDT kernel option in -stable? Since this appears to be defined by default in -current, why is this not the case with -stable? I can't find anything in the -questions archive & messages in the -stable archive don't mention any possible "gotchas." According to some port-docs, this option is defined by default in -current; some ports (WINE, aviplay, for examples) report requiring this. Additionally, mplayer requires it too, but this is not documented in that port's information (except in its own documentation). Thanks, -kc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:18:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEFD37B405 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13337; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:18:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DD732.5030600@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:18:42 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122160206.0475a170@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Just successfully completed a -j2 on the same machine. Apart from rm -R > /usr/obj nothing was/is different. What extra debugging information can > I provide to help track this down ? The machine is not in production so > I can do with it as needed. I think to start with you need to capture your build. What I use is the following script. It was just changed from -j4 to no -j to see what the difference in elapsed time is. I will run -j2 next. I don't have to do the recursive rm to get a successful buildworld. I think you would want it to fail and then see what isn't being syncronized properly. opal# cat mkworld #! /bin/sh cd /usr/src make buildworld 2>&1 | tee /var/log/build/bworld-`date "+%Y%m%d-%H%M"`.log #make -j2 buildworld 2>&1 | tee /var/log/build/bworld-`date "+%Y%m%d-%H%M"`.log #make -j4 buildworld 2>&1 | tee /var/log/build/bworld-`date "+%Y%m%d-%H%M"`.log It is all one line tho. I added a build directory to /var/log and all of my builds and installs (kernel and world) go in there. Kent > At 01:04 PM 1/22/02 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: > > >> Scott Reese wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 >>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> >>>> On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem >>>> on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I >>>> only saw this problem on the fastest machine. >>>> >>> I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) >>> using the "-j" >>> flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" >>> ran much >>> faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the >>> same with >>> kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really >>> see a need >>> for the "-j" flags anyway. >> >> >> >> That has also been my experience on most of my single cpu systems. I >> find the combination of # of controllers and ATA-100 drives makes a >> difference. I have one XP system setup with a -j4 and the other with >> -j6. I just finished a buildworld. It required 26:40. I have a make >> script that I uncomment the line I want it to use. The make script is >> setup to use no -j to -j12 in steps of 2. The system with -j6 used to >> be a dual 866 coppermine and I hadn't noticed that it was still -j6. >> >> There were two threads of build failures and I am not seeing it the >> buildworld fail on this end. >> >> >> Kent >> >> -- >> Kent Stewart >> Richland, WA >> >> mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com >> http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html >> FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > . > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:21:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web13302.mail.yahoo.com (web13302.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ADA537B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:21:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020122211752.52736.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.174.9.99] by web13302.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:17:52 CET Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:17:52 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?m=20p?= Subject: building the alpha ports (was Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2) To: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl, murray@FreeBSD.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > Don't worry about that. The ports freeze is scheduled for 26 January, > > and our fantastic ports team will build all packages for the release > > at that time. > > Make that "x86 packages". It looks like there will be no packages > at all for Alpha given that the Alpha ports cluster is somewhat > mysteriously AWOL it seems. > Hi, I renew my offer to spend for the building process a AlphaStation with 333 MHz and a 4 GB disk (perhaps I am able to get some more .. but that is not for sure at the moment) and 256 MB RAM (that is all i can recall from memory about the machine). The box will be at 34 MBit/s link throttled to 10 MBit/s by the intenal network card. If you need that machine let me know please. I can set it up at Tuesday, 28th January but not before. Hope to help a little bit Marc __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Ihre E-Mail noch individueller? - http://domains.yahoo.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:37:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0D237B404; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0MLbfD88371; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:37:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:37:41 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: m p Cc: murray@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: building the alpha ports (was Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2) Message-ID: <20020122223741.A71778@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020122211752.52736.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020122211752.52736.qmail@web13302.mail.yahoo.com>; from sumirati@yahoo.de on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:17:52PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 10:17:52PM +0100, m p wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > Don't worry about that. The ports freeze is scheduled for 26 January, > > > and our fantastic ports team will build all packages for the release > > > at that time. > > > > Make that "x86 packages". It looks like there will be no packages > > at all for Alpha given that the Alpha ports cluster is somewhat > > mysteriously AWOL it seems. > > > > Hi, > > I renew my offer to spend for the building process a AlphaStation with 333 MHz > and a 4 GB disk (perhaps I am able to get some more .. but that is not for sure > at the moment) and 256 MB RAM (that is all i can recall from memory about the > machine). I just saw a mail that at least one of the Alpha port building machines is back online. There is sufficient hardware out there (in the US) but they had been moved (?) and needed local people to tweak them. People, I might add, already starved for free time W/ -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:39:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pcnet1.pcnet.com (pcnet1.pcnet.com [204.213.232.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2090437B405 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eischen@localhost) by pcnet1.pcnet.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) id g0MLceZk014017; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:38:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen To: Kenneth W Cochran Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Kernel option USER_LDT issues in -stable In-Reply-To: <200201222110.QAA9516725@shell.TheWorld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Kenneth W Cochran wrote: > Hello, > > Are there any issues (security, reliablity, performance, etc.) > with regard to the USER_LDT kernel option in -stable? Since > this appears to be defined by default in -current, why is this > not the case with -stable? I can see it being required in -current soon as threadsNG is going to need it. I don't see the harm in making it default in -stable, but I can't address any security concerns (if there are any). -- Dan Eischen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 13:48:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mmx01.gmu.edu (mmx01.gmu.edu [129.174.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A038837B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from CERBERUS ([129.174.130.10]) by mmx01.gmu.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GQD0L300.4BF for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:48:39 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Steve Bernard" To: Subject: RE: 3COM 3XP card Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:48:47 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020122123218.C59128@prism.flugsvamp.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan, Are you targeting specific boards or a generic HiFn 7751/7791 driver? Also, are you in contact with the guys who wrote the HiFn code for OpenBSD? The reason I ask is that I sure would love to see some code sharing between the two of you so that maybe OBSD could support a greater variety of encryption chipsets and manufacturers. My HiFn 7751 card works well but, there's always new stuff on the horizon. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Lemon [mailto:jlemon@flugsvamp.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:32 PM To: Steve Bernard Cc: Jonathan Lemon; stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3COM 3XP card On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 01:28:58PM -0500, Steve Bernard wrote: > Jonathan, > > Are you porting the OpenBSD code for HiFn chips? Either way, which chipsets > are you planning on writting drivers for? That was the original plan. However, our code is different enough from OpenBSD that a simple port doesn't appear to be feasible, more work is needed to shim things into our networking stack. For the first round, I'm planning on support for HiFn (7751, 7791) boards, as that is the hardware that I have. More drivers can be added later, assuming I'm able to get the hardware and documentation for them. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15: 3:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns2.robhughes.com (12-237-138-77.client.attbi.com [12.237.138.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 090AC37B41E for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4719 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 23:02:34 -0000 Received: from hexch01.robhughes.com (192.168.1.3) by ns2.robhughes.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 23:02:34 -0000 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:02:48 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before Thread-Index: AcGjE4i8UOE2B+Q6Q7mHrb2+HFZmjAAhQaGw From: "Robert D. Hughes" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If that's the case, then it seems to point to a problem in the way NATD handles arps. I've hammered this box, as well as others, and never seen this problem. At any rate, hopefully one of the more senior people can decide whether a PR is warranted. If so, I'll be happy to submit it. Thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Barry Irwin [mailto:bvi@itouchlabs.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:13 AM To: Robert D. Hughes Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before I dont think this is neccesarily a new source code related bug. During the CodeRed / CodeRedII sagas of last year I had a number of NATD's lock up On a range of boxes from 4.3 right to 4.0, they exhibited a massive growth in memory usage 30MB+ and CPU time. Packets were getting handled, but ere taking forever, I was getting ping times on the order of 400 seconds. This also occured on network segments in 4 different continents. Again a pile of arp traffic was seen on the external side of the firewalls. My initial response was that state table swere filling up because of all the incomplete connections, but tests with synfloods by muself were unable to duplicate the problem. Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa On Mon 2002-01-21 (11:48), Robert D. Hughes wrote: >=20 > CVSUP from 1/16, running natd with command /sbin/natd -config /etc/natd.conf -n dc0. Config file is: >=20 > log_denied > log_facility security > use_sockets > same_ports=20 > unregistered_only > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:80 x.x.x.x:80 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:443 x.x.x.x:443 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:8880 x.x.x.x:8880 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2953 x.x.x.x:2953 > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2954 x.x.x.x:2954 > dynamic > punch_fw 10000:1000 >=20 > I'm going to try removing the log options and see if it improves. but since this is a new issue with the recent cvs build, I did want to send out a query. >=20 > What I'm seeing is natd going to well over 90% cpu on this box, which has never happened before to the best of my knowledge. What tcpdump is showing my is very large amounts of arp traffic on the external interface from a large part of the 12.237/16 network (yeah, I know, lame provider). Has anyone else been running into similar issues? >=20 > "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." -- Albert Einstein=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >=20 >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15:15:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557E137B447 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16TA7r-000LdN-00; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:14:47 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:14:47 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: "Robert D. Hughes" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not necessarily. Usually in a NAT situation, traffic must be initiated from the inside, creating a dynamic translation rule. A CodeRed scan will test port 80 on every external IP. Usually in NAT, there is only one external IP. So, I don't this problem has anything to do with NAT, unless NAT is being used to map a block of external IPs to internal IPs. If you have lots of external IPs that you aren't using, CodeRed will cause a lot of ARP (unsucessful) traffic. Packets will have to queued until ARP times out. Lots of unused IPs is a denial of service vunerability. Port scanning them will generate a lot of ARP activity, and force your gateway to buffer a lot of traffic. Unused networks should be removed off of router interfaces, and replaced with Null (blackhole) routes Tom On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Robert D. Hughes wrote: > If that's the case, then it seems to point to a problem in the way NATD > handles arps. I've hammered this box, as well as others, and never seen > this problem. At any rate, hopefully one of the more senior people can > decide whether a PR is warranted. If so, I'll be happy to submit it. > > Thanks, > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Irwin [mailto:bvi@itouchlabs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:13 AM > To: Robert D. Hughes > Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before > > > I dont think this is neccesarily a new source code related bug. During > the > CodeRed / CodeRedII sagas of last year I had a number of NATD's lock up > On a range of boxes from 4.3 right to 4.0, they exhibited a massive > growth > in memory usage 30MB+ and CPU time. Packets were getting handled, but > ere > taking forever, I was getting ping times on the order of 400 seconds. > > This also occured on network segments in 4 different continents. Again > a > pile of arp traffic was seen on the external side of the firewalls. My > initial response was that state table swere filling up because of all > the > incomplete connections, but tests with synfloods by muself were unable > to > duplicate the problem. > > Barry > > > -- > Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com > +27214875150 > Systems Administrator: Networks And Security > Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South > Africa > > On Mon 2002-01-21 (11:48), Robert D. Hughes wrote: > > > > CVSUP from 1/16, running natd with command /sbin/natd -config > /etc/natd.conf -n dc0. Config file is: > > > > log_denied > > log_facility security > > use_sockets > > same_ports > > unregistered_only > > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:80 x.x.x.x:80 > > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:443 x.x.x.x:443 > > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:8880 x.x.x.x:8880 > > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2953 x.x.x.x:2953 > > redirect_port tcp x.x.x.x:2954 x.x.x.x:2954 > > dynamic > > punch_fw 10000:1000 > > > > I'm going to try removing the log options and see if it improves. but > since this is a new issue with the recent cvs build, I did want to send > out a query. > > > > What I'm seeing is natd going to well over 90% cpu on this box, which > has never happened before to the best of my knowledge. What tcpdump is > showing my is very large amounts of arp traffic on the external > interface from a large part of the 12.237/16 network (yeah, I know, lame > provider). Has anyone else been running into similar issues? > > > > "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from > mediocre minds." -- Albert Einstein > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15:40:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652BB37B41B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MNeXh14523; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <71617262877.20020122143447@ur.ru> Message-ID: <20020122153919.O12940-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > Our server runs FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE. Until recently everything was > ok, but when we increased the amount of RAM from 1024Mb to 2048Mb > strange lock-ups started to happen. All lock-ups happened at night > where activity was pretty low. We run backup over nfs nightly, and > there is a good chance it is nfs that causes the problem. When the > lock-ups happen backup is usually somewhere in the middle and after > the server is restarted backup finishes ok. Try rebuilding your kernel with maxusers 256 You may need to scale up the tables in the system to handle the additional memory. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15:45: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D5937B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24022; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:44:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DF975.8050308@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:44:53 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Rumple Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -j4 world References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> <20020122140431.R69194@zaphon.llamas.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Rumple wrote: > * Scott Reese (sreese@codysbooks.com) [020122 20:52]: > >>On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:03 -0600 >>Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> >> >>>On the "Error in make buildworld" thread I said that I had this problem >>>on 1 out of 3 machines, so you may not necessarily see this problem. I >>>only saw this problem on the fastest machine. >>> >>> >>I've actually found that on a fast computer (1.6 GHz Pentium IV) using the "-j" >>flag tends to slow things down a bit. The standard "make buildworld" ran much >>faster and much more smoothly than "make -j4 buildworld." It was the same with >>kernel builds. Honestly, with a machine that fast, I don't really see a need >>for the "-j" flags anyway. >> > > Well the machines I use make -j on are SMP machines, and using -j does > make a difference. I tend to use make -j 16 (2 p3-1Ghz cpu's, 2 gigs of > ram) in order to finish as rapidly as possible. This is significantly > faster than make by it's self. I have actually done a spreadsheet using > this machine about 6 months ago, I should do it again. Looking at the > benefit of make -j finding the optimial value. I haven't done a CVSUP > up today, so not sure if this is happening to me or not. My 4 runs with different -j looks like bw w/no -j 957.195u 263.416s 21:11.71 95.9% 1366+1576k 11744+3435io 3031pf+0w bw w/-j2 964.685u 294.253s 32:16.10 65.0% 1374+1570k 15335+3920io 1622pf+0w bw w/-j4 966.085u 298.956s 26:38.43 79.1% 1337+1536k 29343+3511io 3090pf+0w bw w/-j6 964.058u 298.116s 25:59.72 80.9% 1338+1538k 12173+3209io 2711pf+0w The no -j was the fastest by almost 4 minutes. I have a build script and I say "time mkworld" and then cat >> times.log and copy the time output line. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15:46: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7494D37B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:46:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0MNkOI14934; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <20020122153919.O12940-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Message-ID: <20020122154552.U12940-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Doug White wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > > > Our server runs FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE. Until recently everything was > > ok, but when we increased the amount of RAM from 1024Mb to 2048Mb > > strange lock-ups started to happen. All lock-ups happened at night > > where activity was pretty low. We run backup over nfs nightly, and > > there is a good chance it is nfs that causes the problem. When the > > lock-ups happen backup is usually somewhere in the middle and after > > the server is restarted backup finishes ok. On second thought, post your kernel config. It's possible to set a few things *too* high and have them blow up when you install the RAM and the page tables & other data structures double in size... Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 15:57:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A042537B41E for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:56:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25148; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:56:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4DFC2E.5010209@owt.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:56:30 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barry Irwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world broken ? References: <20020122222024.A32746@itouchlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Barry Irwin wrote: > HI All > > I got this error on the evening of the 21st +- 19h00 GMT, and I have just > cvsupp'd again and still the same problem > > su-2.05 /usr/src# make > ===> lib/csu/i386-elf > make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/stddef.h. > Stop > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/src/lib. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src. > su-2.05# > > System is > FreeBSD shagrat.prv.moria.org 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #1: Sat Jan 12 14:23:12 > SAST 2002 root@shagrat.prv.moria.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/SHAGRAT i386 > > Upgrade from 4.4-RELEASE to 4.5 RC1 was painless > > Any Ideas ?? I would cd /usr/obj rm -rf * and see if that solves the problem. I have done a number of buildworlds today with out any problems. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 16:28:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D037B422 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0N0SKn44245; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:28:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:28:19 -0500 From: Bob K To: Tom Cc: "Robert D. Hughes" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before Message-ID: <20020122192818.A42761@yip.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@uniserve.com on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:14:47PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:14:47PM -0800, Tom wrote: > > Lots of unused IPs is a denial of service vunerability. Port scanning them > will generate a lot of ARP activity, and force your gateway to buffer a lot of > traffic. Unused networks should be removed off of router interfaces, and > replaced with Null (blackhole) routes I don't know if it's been mentioned in this discussion before or not, but http://www.hackbusters.net/LaBrea/ is designed specifically to protect networks from that type of DoS. (er, it's a linux app - although it's reported to work on NetBSD) -- Bob | Please don't feed the sock puppet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 16:45:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-131.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 897A137B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E7B8966D7A; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:45:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:45:25 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Wilko Bulte Cc: John Polstra , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hopet@ics.muni.cz Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 Message-ID: <20020122164525.A24779@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200201222005.g0MK5rj27751@dior.ics.muni.cz> <200201222009.g0MK98295656@vashon.polstra.com> <20020122211703.A10652@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020122211703.A10652@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:17:03PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:17:03PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Make that "x86 packages". It looks like there will be no packages > at all for Alpha given that the Alpha ports cluster is somewhat > mysteriously AWOL it seems. Peter's working on it. He was having problems getting the slave machines to netboot, I believe. Kris --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8TgelWry0BWjoQKURArl1AKDBxxUX+/CLhbw7riGfZoeFaprk5gCg7WnC SsROFMmPGTOrjlpbvxkAJAM= =2O+f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 16:57:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.philth.net.nz (slurpo.open2view.com [202.27.195.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D531A37B402 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:57:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp.philth.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3B3A31938F; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:58:11 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:58:11 +1300 From: Philip Murray To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Boot panics w/ Promise ATA100 and Maxtor 160GB Message-ID: <20020123135811.A78078@slurpo.open2view.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 4.5RC to boot with the mentioned hardware. If the drive is plugged into the controller, I get a page fault on boot when it is detecting adX. If I unplug the drive (it doesn't appear in /etc/fstab) then it detects ad0 (attached to the motherboard) and then seems to lock up. Is there a setting I need to change, or is this a bug? It does it with the latest source (cvsup'd this morning) follow RELENG_4 Cheers Philip Murray me@philth.net.nz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 18: 6:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDFC37B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0N26hm73180; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:06:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from house.sentex.net (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with ESMTP id g0N26eF73172; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:06:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122210418.013a8dc0@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:06:59 -0500 To: Kent Stewart From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: make -j4 world Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C4DD732.5030600@owt.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122145124.03cd1380@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122151930.03d62220@marble.sentex.ca> <3C4DCB91.7080701@owt.com> <3C4DCDE7.C5E77C03@math.missouri.edu> <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122160206.0475a170@marble.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:18 PM 1/22/2002 -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: >Mike Tancsa wrote: > >>Just successfully completed a -j2 on the same machine. Apart from rm -R >>/usr/obj nothing was/is different. What extra debugging information can >>I provide to help track this down ? The machine is not in production so >>I can do with it as needed. > > >I think to start with you need to capture your build. What I use is the Same deal -j2 world -j4 buildworld plain old make world all work fine. Just make -j4 world seems to break on this spot each time. ruby5% tail -20 j4world-20020122-1805.log rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/q921.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/q931.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/q931_util.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/q932_fac.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/1tr6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/trace.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/pcause_1tr6.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/pcause_q850.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace/unknownl3.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/isdntrace; make _EXTRADEPEND echo isdntrace: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend ===> usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol/ispppcontrol.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/i4b/ispppcontrol; make _EXTRADEPEND echo ispppcontrol: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend ===> usr.sbin/i4b/man ===> usr.sbin/boot0cfg rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg/boot0cfg.c cd /usr/src/usr.sbin/boot0cfg; make _EXTRADEPEND echo boot0cfg: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error *** Error code 2 1 error ruby5% ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 18:52:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rudiment.dk (rudiment.egmont-kol.dk [130.225.237.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5904037B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:52:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.rudiment.dk (Postfix, from userid 104) id 5C52012B0F; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rudiment.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499AE12B0E for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:52:18 +0100 (CET) From: Morten Grunnet Buhl Reply-To: Morten Grunnet Buhl To: In-Reply-To: <200201222110.QAA9516725@shell.TheWorld.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 20:29:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from updraft.jp.freebsd.org (updraft.jp.FreeBSD.ORG [210.157.158.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E424737B404 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by updraft.jp.freebsd.org (8.11.6+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet id g0N4TLb76694 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:29:26 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020122210418.013a8dc0@192.168.0.12> References: <20020122125645.1a0c9b36.sreese@codysbooks.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122160206.0475a170@marble.sentex.ca> <5.1.0.14.0.20020122210418.013a8dc0@192.168.0.12> X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 10 From: Makoto Matsushita To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make -j4 world Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:29:17 +0900 Message-Id: <20020123132917K.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mike> ruby5% tail -20 j4world-20020122-1805.log Don't believe that "tail -20 logfile" gives you a helpful information if you have tried to run "make -jX" (where X>1). Check your logfile carefully (from the end of logfile to the beginning), and you'll find what's the actual problem. -- - Makoto `MAR' Matsushita To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Jan 22 23:22:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fem.uniag.sk (fem.uniag.sk [193.87.97.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A90D37B405 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (lk01@localhost) by fem.uniag.sk (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0N7LHB05252; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:21:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:21:17 +0100 (MET) From: Ladislav Kostal To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Ladislav Kostal , Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <20020122105108.G58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Jason K. Fritcher wrote: > > 4. /etc/exports > > > > /pxeroot -maproot=0 192.168.1.10 > > /usr -ro 192.168.1.10 > > > > 5. enable nfs server in /etc/rc.conf > > > > nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" > > nfs_server_enable="YES" > > portmap_enable="YES" > > I've thought about doing this, but I'd much rather try to make the tftp > version work. Enabling NFS just to transfer 2 files once every 3-4 months > seems silly to me. But I use NFS for exporting whole tree to client!!! (/pxeroot) Also kernel gets loaded using NFS. > > 6. compile DISKLESS kernel and put it to /pxeroot > > (can gzip -9 for faster loading from server) > > For my initial testing, I'm using the kernel and mfsroot from the install > floppies. I used Alfred Perlstein's instructions to extract the files from > the floppy images and hints about how DHCP. > > Once I can get a kernel to transfer and booting up, I'll start building the > filesystem. Right now, I just wanna see the kernel start. :) All, I've found about diskless booting on FreeBSD using PXE was regarding to "jumpstart" install. So I make my own kernel and set up environment. It's working fine for me. Ladislav Kostal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 0:19:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (devco.net [196.15.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C142B37B417 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TIem-000Gmj-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:21:20 +0200 Received: from shell.devco.net ([196.15.188.7]) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TIel-000GmV-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:21:19 +0200 Received: from bvi by shell.devco.net with local (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16TIiN-0006pl-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:25:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:25:03 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: Kent Stewart Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Make world broken ? Message-ID: <20020123102503.E32746@itouchlabs.com> References: <20020122222024.A32746@itouchlabs.com> <3C4DFC2E.5010209@owt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C4DFC2E.5010209@owt.com>; from kstewart@owt.com on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:56:30PM -0800 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 64521-1011774079-48715@mx1.dev.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue 2002-01-22 (15:56), Kent Stewart wrote: > Barry Irwin wrote: > > > HI All > > > > I got this error on the evening of the 21st +- 19h00 GMT, and I have just > > cvsupp'd again and still the same problem > > cd /usr/obj > rm -rf * > > and see if that solves the problem. I have done a number of > buildworlds today with out any problems. Okay all working now, i'm sure i had tried that earlier, anyway Rc2 is in the build :> Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 0:27: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (devco.net [196.15.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3150037B41B for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:26:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TIlx-000Gyd-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:28:45 +0200 Received: from shell.devco.net ([196.15.188.7]) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TIlv-000GyI-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:28:43 +0200 Received: from bvi by shell.devco.net with local (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16TIpX-0006rS-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:32:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:32:27 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: Tom Cc: "Robert D. Hughes" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NATD, or another one I haven't seen before Message-ID: <20020123103227.F32746@itouchlabs.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from tom@uniserve.com on Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:14:47PM -0800 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 65259-1011774525-12232@mx1.dev.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue 2002-01-22 (15:14), Tom wrote: > > Lots of unused IPs is a denial of service vunerability. Port scanning them > will generate a lot of ARP activity, and force your gateway to buffer a lot of > traffic. Unused networks should be removed off of router interfaces, and > replaced with Null (blackhole) routes Fully agreed, however some ISP's are rather slack and one ends up having an arp-storm on the outside interface of your firewall :< Not much I can really think of to combat such a storm. In theory I suppose one could have a static arp entry to your defaultroute, and then configure the interface not to arp, although I'm not sure if this will prevent any handling of other systems arp traffic received on the interface. Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 0:29:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-21.dis.org [216.240.45.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94BB537B41B for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:29:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0N0tUd03639; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:55:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200201230055.g0N0tUd03639@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Danny Braniss , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:49:30 PST." <20020122102015.K58234-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:55:30 -0800 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Danny Braniss wrote: > > ok, so till someone can shed some light from the BTX dump (hint hint), chec > k > > 1) if the pxeboot is ok > > I've rebuilt pxeboot from /usr/src/sys/boot. The last rebuild I did was to > enable BTXLDR_VERBOSE in the btxldr dir, but I'm probably going to remove > that since it looks like btxldr is completeing its job. If you've rebuilt pxeboot, you can use one of the intermediate files to track down the actual location in pxeboot where the trap is occurring. Given that cs is 0x002b, I think you're in pxeboot itself and not off in the BIOS. So track down the loader.sym file and try: nm --numeric-sort loader.sym and look for the function that contains 0x0001af8b. This should help narrow things down a bit. -- Go where you may, search where you will, roam throughout all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival... - Frederic Douglass, Independence Day Address, 1852 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 0:33:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dream.mplik.ru (dream.mplik.ru [195.58.1.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D2837B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sight (sight.mplik.ru [195.58.27.104]) by dream.mplik.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA93729; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:33:36 +0500 (YEKT) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:32:49 +0500 From: Sergey Gershtein X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Business Reply-To: Sergey Gershtein Organization: Ural Relcom Ltd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <182699938898.20020123133249@ur.ru> To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <20020122154552.U12940-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> References: <20020122154552.U12940-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday, January 23, 2002 you wrote: DW> On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Doug White wrote: DW> Try rebuilding your kernel with DW> DW> maxusers 256 DW> DW> You may need to scale up the tables in the system to handle the additional DW> memory. It's already set to 512, is it too high? We did not rebuild the kernel after adding memory, it worked fine with maxusers 512 and 1024M RAM. DW> On second thought, post your kernel config. It's possible to set a few DW> things *too* high and have them blow up when you install the RAM and the DW> page tables & other data structures double in size... Here is goes: machine i386 cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident STORM maxusers 512 options MAXDSIZ="(256*1024*1024)" options DFLDSIZ="(256*1024*1024)" #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking #options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem #options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=10000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI #options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about dropped packets options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=10 options QUOTA #enable disk quotas # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O device isa device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata #device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI Controllers device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #device aha0 at isa? device aic0 at isa? # SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver #pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) #device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 #device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 #device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device plip # TCP/IP over parallel device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # MII bus support is required for some PCI 10/100 ethernet NICs, # namely those which use MII-compliant transceivers or implement # tranceiver control interfaces that operate like an MII. Adding # "device miibus0" to the kernel config pulls in support for # the generic miibus API and all of the PHY drivers, including a # generic one for PHYs that aren't specifically handled by an # individual driver. device miibus # PCI Ethernet NICs. device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support #pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP #pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" #pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) pseudo-device snp 3 # snoop device # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 1:21:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F4437B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc3-card4-0-cust122.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.254.251.122] helo=rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net ident=exim) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 16TJaw-00023v-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:21:26 +0000 Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.private.submonkey.net with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16TJVR-0000PO-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:15:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:15:45 +0000 From: Ceri To: Philip Murray Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot panics w/ Promise ATA100 and Maxtor 160GB Message-ID: <20020123091545.GA1450@rhadamanth> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri , Philip Murray , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20020123135811.A78078@slurpo.open2view.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020123135811.A78078@slurpo.open2view.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.26i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:58:11PM +1300, Philip Murray wrote: > Hi > > I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 4.5RC to boot with the mentioned hardware. > > If the drive is plugged into the controller, I get a page fault on boot when it is detecting adX. If I unplug the drive (it doesn't appear in /etc/fstab) then it detects ad0 (attached to the motherboard) and then seems to lock up. > > Is there a setting I need to change, or is this a bug? It does it with the latest source (cvsup'd this morning) follow RELENG_4 I could easily be very wrong here, but I was under the impression that you'd be wanting ATA133 for that disk. Ceri -- keep a mild groove on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 1:49:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org (CBL-jkfritcher1-a.hs.earthlink.net [207.217.171.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F4537B405 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from outreach.wolfnet.org ([10.0.0.2]) by outreach.wolfnet.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TK0m-000IJu-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:48:08 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Jason K. Fritcher" To: Michael Smith Cc: Danny Braniss , Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-Reply-To: <200201230055.g0N0tUd03639@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: <20020123013103.L70323-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Michael Smith wrote: > If you've rebuilt pxeboot, you can use one of the intermediate files to > track down the actual location in pxeboot where the trap is occurring. > > Given that cs is 0x002b, I think you're in pxeboot itself and not off in > the BIOS. So track down the loader.sym file and try: > > nm --numeric-sort loader.sym > > and look for the function that contains 0x0001af8b. This should help > narrow things down a bit. Thank you so much. I now know what my problem is. 0x1af8b resides within vsprintf. The int=6 part of the btx dump indicated what I had hoped it didn't... an invalid opcode exception. Disassembling loader.sym and looking at that address reveals this instruction... 1af8b: 0f 44 75 10 cmove 0x10(%ebp),%esi Which after looking in the IA32 instruction set reference, it appears this is a P6 instruction. Unfortunately, the code I'm building is going to be run on a P5 cpu. Also unfortunate is the fact that the machine I'm building this one build with i686 optimizations. I didn't think the boot loaders were linked against the system libraries. Time to either figure out how I can rebuild the libraries loader needs or I need to do another make world with only i586 optimizations. Thanks again. -- Jason K. Fritcher jkf@wolfnet.org -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.12 GCS d-() s+:++ a- C+++() UB++++S+++$ P++(-) L- !E W+(--) N++(+) o? K? w--() O M- V-- PS+>+++ PE Y+ PGP(++) t+@ 5 X+ R>+ tv+(--) b+>++ DI+ D++ G e>+++ h---- r+++ y+++ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 1:58:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10ED537B417 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7421 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2002 09:58:42 -0000 Received: from tk212017108240.univie.teleweb.at (HELO Deadcell.ANT) (212.17.108.240) by mail.gmx.net (mp015-rz3) with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 09:58:42 -0000 Received: (from ant@localhost) by Deadcell.ANT (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0N9wfn26727; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ant) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:41 +0100 From: Andreas Ntaflos To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: boot2: -972 bytes available; build error. wtf? Message-ID: <20020123105841.A26714@Deadcell.ANT> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Howdy, This is a problem I've encountered some times now when building world, I've already posted about this but did not get any responses, so I'll just try again with further information: Situation: fresh, updated /usr/src, empty /usr/obj, FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE built Dec 4 2001. Whenever I do buildworld it goes well until it comes to compile /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2. There it bails with the following errors: btxld -v -E 0x1000 -f bin -b /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/../btx/btx/btx -l boot2.ldr -o boot2.ld -P 1 boot2.bin kernel: ver=1.01 size=740 load=9000 entry=9010 map=16M pgctl=1:1 client: fmt=bin size=188c text=0 data=0 bss=0 entry=0 output: fmt=bin size=21cc text=200 data=1fcc org=0 entry=0 -972 bytes available *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2. cd'ing to /usr/src7sys/i386/boot2 and issuing a make results in the same errors (obviously). So I've no idea why this could be, the error message message "-972 bytes available" is kinda cryptic, doesn't tell my any- thing. In the past, I've had this error, but somehow it randomly appeared and disappeared, otherwise I would not have been able to build world. Has anyone an idea about this, or can anyone give me a hint? Help appreciated. thanks and regards -- Andreas "ant" Ntaflos ntaflos.andreas@gmx.net Vienna, AUSTRIA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 2:18:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0605437B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0NAIBC22301 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:18:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:18:09 +0200 From: Nevermind To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: proposal for addition to mount_msdos.8 Message-ID: <20020123101809.GA22271@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Maybe we should add scrap from http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/installation/i386/index.html ? Can I mount my DOS extended partitions? Yes. DOS extended partitions are mapped in at the end of the other ``slices'' in FreeBSD, e.g. your D: drive might be /dev/da0s5, your E: drive /dev/da0s6, and so on. This example assumes, of course, that your extended partition is on SCSI drive 0. For IDE drives, substitute ad for da appropriately. You otherwise mount extended partitions exactly like you would mount any other DOS drive, e.g.: # mount -t msdos /dev/da0s5 /dos_d -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 2:48:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.win.co.nz (mail.win.co.nz [210.55.230.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A1F37B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from LUXOR (port54-17-135.adsl.win.co.nz [210.54.17.135]) by mail.win.co.nz (Postfix) with SMTP id 262AE5380D9; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:47:32 +1300 (NZDT) Message-ID: <001201c1a3fb$a4bf6510$8001450a@LUXOR> From: "Philip Murray" To: "Ceri" Cc: References: <20020123135811.A78078@slurpo.open2view.com> <20020123091545.GA1450@rhadamanth> Subject: Re: Boot panics w/ Promise ATA100 and Maxtor 160GB Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:49:33 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > > I'm having trouble getting FreeBSD 4.5RC to boot with the mentioned hardware. > > > > If the drive is plugged into the controller, I get a page fault on boot when it is detecting adX. If I unplug the drive (it doesn't appear in /etc/fstab) then it detects ad0 (attached to the motherboard) and then seems to lock up. > > > > Is there a setting I need to change, or is this a bug? It does it with the latest source (cvsup'd this morning) follow RELENG_4 > > I could easily be very wrong here, but I was under the impression that you'd > be wanting ATA133 for that disk. > Yeah, but I didn't have an ATA133 controller spare and it should still work with an ATA100 controller. FreeBSD boots fine with 4.3 and 4.4 but only detects the first 128G. 4.5 adds 48bit addressing support, alas it seems slightly broken Cheers Philip Murray me@philth.net.nz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 5:18:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE60637B400; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from netch@localhost (netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua id PHA46547; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:18:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:18:16 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Gregory Neil Shapiro Cc: arch@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, anders@fix.no Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) Message-ID: <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> Reply-To: netch@lucky.net References: <29611.1003411145@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 09:37:59, gshapiro wrote about "New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned)": > Index: master.passwd > =================================================================== > RCS file: /src/FreeBSD/cvsrepo/src/etc/master.passwd,v > retrieving revision 1.25 > diff -u -r1.25 master.passwd > --- master.passwd 1999/09/13 17:09:07 1.25 > +++ master.passwd 2001/10/18 16:31:44 > @@ -10,6 +10,8 @@ > games:*:7:13::0:0:Games pseudo-user:/usr/games:/sbin/nologin > news:*:8:8::0:0:News Subsystem:/:/sbin/nologin > man:*:9:9::0:0:Mister Man Pages:/usr/share/man:/sbin/nologin > +smmsp:*:25:25:Sendmail Submission User:/var/spool/clientmqueue:/sbin/nologin > +mailnull:*:26:26:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/sbin/nologin This breaks majordomo from current port. For secure install, majordomo wrapper is allowed to be run only for majordomo user and group, and port installer adds user=daemon to this group. Today I had to diagnose a host which was updated to 4.5-rc2; addition of mailnull user broke it because sendmail prefers mailnull to daemon when running pipes from root-owned aliases and forwards. The port's maintainer is already notified, but new port revision can't help for already installed ones. Another place where this will break some things (and I know it will really happen for a bunch of my controlled hosts) are direction to files from root-owned aliases/forwards/includes. Now some of these files are owned by daemon, and explicit action is required to update their owner. I suppose that adding of mailnull user and group should be explicitly mentioned in src/UPDATING, with advices for both mentioned cases (majordomo & files). /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 7:16:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.ikar.donbass.com (proxy.ikar.donbass.com [195.184.220.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2169A37B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 07:16:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from vitaliy (vitaliy.of.bank [192.168.50.101]) by proxy.ikar.donbass.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29615 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:16:51 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from root@ikar.donbass.com) Reply-To: From: "Xenshuk Vitaliy" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:15:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 8:53:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6A537B405; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (gshapiro@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0NGrCUa066584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g0NGrBPe066577; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15438.60023.705225.44960@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:11 -0800 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: netch@lucky.net Cc: arch@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, anders@fix.no, imp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) In-Reply-To: <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> References: <29611.1003411145@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> +mailnull:*:26:26:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/sbin/nologin netch> This breaks majordomo from current port. For secure install, netch> majordomo wrapper is allowed to be run only for majordomo user and netch> group, and port installer adds user=daemon to this group. Today I netch> had to diagnose a host which was updated to 4.5-rc2; addition of netch> mailnull user broke it because sendmail prefers mailnull to daemon netch> when running pipes from root-owned aliases and forwards. netch> The port's maintainer is already notified, but new port revision netch> can't help for already installed ones. netch> Another place where this will break some things (and I know it will netch> really happen for a bunch of my controlled hosts) are direction to netch> files from root-owned aliases/forwards/includes. Now some of these netch> files are owned by daemon, and explicit action is required to update netch> their owner. netch> I suppose that adding of mailnull user and group should be explicitly netch> mentioned in src/UPDATING, with advices for both mentioned cases netch> (majordomo & files). (Note I've quoted the entire message and CC'ed Warner in case he does want to add something to UPDATING on both the HEAD and RELENG_4.) If you still want sendmail to use daemon for the default user, simply add this to your .mc file: define(`confDEF_USER_ID', `daemon') However, migrating to mailnull will increase system security. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 8:55:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h006.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD6A037B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 20369 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2002 08:55:35 -0800 Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:55:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20020123165535.20368.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 23 Jan 2002 16:55:35 GMT Received: from [24.48.61.193] by mail.sawilson.com with HTTP; 23 Jan 2002 08:55:35 PST Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: sawilson@sawilson.com X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 X-Sent-From: sawilson@sawilson.com Subject: gnomevfs won't compile Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello There, /usr/local/bin/msgfmt-new -o ga.mo ga.po /usr/local/bin/msgfmt-new -o gl.mo gl.po gl.po:1448: syntax error found 1 fatal error gmake[2]: *** [gl.mo] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs/work/gnome-vfs-1.0.3/po' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs/work/gnome-vfs-1.0.3' gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/devel/gnomevfs. *** Error code 1 {root@scorpius}~# uname -a FreeBSD scorpius 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #7: Tue Jan 15 12:27:26 EST 2002 root@scorpius:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SCORPIUS i386 I just cvsup'd ports today. I did a search through google and found nothing current. Is there a patch or something? I read something about having to rm -rf /usr/X11R6 and /usr/lib and reinstall everything that was in there by hand or some such nonsense, but this was from last november. Any ideas? Thank In Advance -- Best Regards, S.A.Wilson The Digital Millennium Copyright Act in Plain English http://pineight.evilpigeon.net/rant/dmca/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 9:31:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A19D37B402; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020123173125.ZBAA10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:31:25 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0NHVO085022; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:31:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201231731.g0NHVO085022@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Gregory Neil Shapiro Cc: netch@lucky.net, arch@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, anders@fix.no, imp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) In-reply-to: <15438.60023.705225.44960@horsey.gshapiro.net> References: <29611.1003411145@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> <15438.60023.705225.44960@horsey.gshapiro.net> Comments: In-reply-to Gregory Neil Shapiro message dated "Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:53:11 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:31:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > (Note I've quoted the entire message and CC'ed Warner in case he does want > to add something to UPDATING on both the HEAD and RELENG_4.) Errr. This sounds like a relnotes thing too...guess I ought to think (quickly) about this. Just so I have this straight, this problem came about because of the change to master.passwd, not because of any code change in sendmail (which, if I read my relnotes right, hasn't changed between 4.4-RELEASE and 4.5-RC). Right? > If you still want sendmail to use daemon for the default user, simply add > this to your .mc file: > > define(`confDEF_USER_ID', `daemon') > > However, migrating to mailnull will increase system security. Is this because there are fewer processes running as daemon? Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 9:33:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124CB37B417; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (gshapiro@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0NHXWUa071173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g0NHXWjN071170; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:33:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15438.62444.300546.808256@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:33:32 -0800 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: netch@lucky.net, arch@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, anders@fix.no, imp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) In-Reply-To: <200201231731.g0NHVO085022@bmah.dyndns.org> References: <29611.1003411145@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> <15438.60023.705225.44960@horsey.gshapiro.net> <200201231731.g0NHVO085022@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG bmah> Errr. This sounds like a relnotes thing too...guess I ought to bmah> think (quickly) about this. bmah> Just so I have this straight, this problem came about because of the bmah> change to master.passwd, not because of any code change in sendmail bmah> (which, if I read my relnotes right, hasn't changed between 4.4-RELEASE bmah> and 4.5-RC). Right? Correct. sendmail uses mailnull if the account exists so when the account was created, it started using it. >> If you still want sendmail to use daemon for the default user, simply add >> this to your .mc file: >> >> define(`confDEF_USER_ID', `daemon') >> >> However, migrating to mailnull will increase system security. bmah> Is this because there are fewer processes running as daemon? No, it is because other processes run as daemon. The sendmail DefaultUser should not be used by anything else. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 9:34:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (dhcp45-21.dis.org [216.240.45.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726EB37B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:34:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0NHYgb00832; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200201231734.g0NHYgb00832@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Jason K. Fritcher" Cc: Danny Braniss , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pxeboot btx halted problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:48:06 PST." <20020123013103.L70323-100000@outreach.wolfnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:34:42 -0800 From: Michael Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Which after looking in the IA32 instruction set reference, it appears this > is a P6 instruction. Unfortunately, the code I'm building is going to be run > on a P5 cpu. Also unfortunate is the fact that the machine I'm building this > one build with i686 optimizations. Whoops. 8) > I didn't think the boot loaders were linked against the system libraries. The loader is linked against libstand. > Time to either figure out how I can rebuild the libraries loader needs or I > need to do another make world with only i586 optimizations. You can rebuild and reinstall just libstand; it is self-contained and has no particularly special issues. Glad to have helped track this one down. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 9:59:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from biliskner.great4.co.uk (biliskner.great4.co.uk [212.111.52.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10337B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ANDREWT (andrewt.topaz [172.22.1.76]) by biliskner.great4.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBC75409 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <031801c1a437$a59dbfe0$4c0116ac@ANDREWT> From: "Andrew Tulloch" To: Subject: Dell poweredge 500SC Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:59:05 -0000 Organization: Great4 Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just taken delivery of a new Dell Poweredge 500SC and the IDE controller only seems to be identified as generic, is there anything I can do to correct this? I'd kinda like to get it's ATA-100 working, not a great worry as it was a freebie with another order.. I've added dmesg and pciconf -l below. Thanks Andrew dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2002 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.5-RC #0: Wed Jan 23 15:06:20 GMT 2002 root@apathy:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/APATHY Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (897.61-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x68a Stepping = 10 Features=0x383fbff real memory = 134152192 (131008K bytes) avail memory = 126840832 (123868K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc038e000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Using $PIR table, 8 entries at 0xc00fc3e0 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 fxp0: port 0xecc0-0xecff mem 0xfe000000-0xfe0fffff,0xfe123000-0xfe123fff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:c0:9f:05:75:17 inphy0: on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp1: port 0xec80-0xecbf mem 0xfe100000-0xfe11ffff,0xfe122000-0xfe122fff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:02:b3:95:e3:8f inphy1: on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: at 11.0 isab0: at device 15.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x8c0-0x8c3,0x8b0-0x8bf,0x374-0x377,0x170-0x177,0x3f4-0x3f7,0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 15.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ohci0: mem 0xfe120000-0xfe120fff irq 5 at device 15.2 on pci0 usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: (unknown) OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pcib1: on motherboard pci1: on pcib1 pcib2: on motherboard pci2: on pcib2 orm0:

The "legitimate" use of the Minifon, as a dictating machine, was somewhat problematical. Recordings made on regular dictating equipment were usually letters, and thus were normally sent almost immediately to a typist. The Minifon offered no obvious advantages over standard dictation equipment for office use, but its developers hoped to cultivate new uses for dictation equipment, such as stock taking in warehouses, or the use of the machine as a substitute for note-taking by reporters, insurance adjusters, salesmen, and others. In its original form, the Minifon was a wire recorder, using a type of wire medium developed by the Armour Research Foundation of Chicago and employed in many similar devices since the late 1940s. The machine at its introduction in 1952 had a recording time of one hour, which was remarkably long, and weighed only about 3 pounds at a time when a typical office dictating machine weighed upwards of 10 pounds. It accomplished this small size and light weight in part through the use of miniature tubes and clever mechanical design. The basic machine cost $289.50-- a price that sounds high today but was very much in line with competing office dictating machines. The parent company attempted to set up distribution, sales and service networks in the United States. It established a business office called the Minifon Export Corp in New York, and an existing company, Harvey Radio in New York City became the main distributor. Although smaller tape recorders appeared at about the same time, the main competition in the voice recording field was from an American company, Mohawk, which made a small, battery-operated cartridge tape recorder called the Migetape. Both products sold less than 10,000 units per year in the U.S.
After a few years, the Minifon was modified to use transistors and magnetic tape, further lowering its weight and cost. By 1962 the basic machine weighed in at only 1.5 pounds. Competition by this time had helped bring the cost down to $249.50. The Minifon after about 1962 was distributed by the international conglomerate ITT through its subsidiary in the U.S., Federal Electric Corp. A little later, distribution was taken over by the ITT Distributor Products Division in Lodi, New Jersey. (I don't know whether these were the same company with different names) By the time ITT became associated with this product, it had taken on the name of Minifon "Attache," and a new line of models and options appeared. These included a hi-fi model, the 978H, which sold for $330.50.Usinga two-track, 1/4 inch tape cartridge operating at 1 7/8 inches per second, the machine claimed a frequency response of up to 12,000 Hz, plus or minus 3db. The coming of magnetic tape did not completely displace wire. The Model 240 series of recorders introduced in the early 1960s were probably the last wire recorders in regular production. The 240L, at a price of $269.50 used a special long-playing wire cartridge that held 4 hours of wire. Otherwise it looked like both the tape model and the 240S, which used a 2-hour wire cartridge and sold for $249.50. Another innovation was the introduction of more conventional recorders. After years of offering only "half" of a complete dictation system, Minifon finally developed a restyled, non-portable "office" machine, mainly for use by a transcriber, with pedal controls. By the mid-1960s, Minifon was trying to market its machines as multi-purpose devices suitable for nearly any recording need. In addition to the hi-fi and long-playing machines, the company offered an astounding variety of optional equipment such as foot controls, microphones, external amplifiers and loudspeakers, headsets, external power supplies, telephone recording attachments, conference recording adapters. One of the most interesting options were the miniature microphones intended to allow users to make "spy" recordings. In addition to a small tie-clip microphone, the Minifon could be equipped with a microphone disguised as a wrist- watch. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 17:42:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0363437B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18406 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:42:04 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12954; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:42:04 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200201240142.MAA12954@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:21:38 -0000. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:42:04 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > hand carved round table with metal chain link in the middle Every time you think you've seen the worst the net can offer, along comes another AOLer.... [Hey, the list was sTABLE@freebsd.org!] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 17:48:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (sapphire.tenebras.com [66.92.188.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90AD137B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tenebras.com (laptop [66.92.188.18]) by sapphire.tenebras.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O1lKb07428; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:47:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Message-ID: <3C4F67A3.9EA5A5F5@tenebras.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:47:15 -0800 From: Michael Sierchio Reply-To: kudzu@tenebras.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stoian Mishinev Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Multiple Aironet adapters References: <3C4F5B52.90C24248@digsys.bg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stoian Mishinev wrote: > I have strange problem, about mount or 2 ago I've tried 2 aironet cards > on the same machine running FreeBSD one to our wireless network and the > other to my home network with success. How do you define success? Having two transceivers in immediate proximity is probably bound to cause problems for both networks -- those on the same ad-hoc or IBSS net will cooperate, but... You realize that it's not CSMA/CD, since you can't detect collisions when you're transmitting... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 23:24:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C894537B400; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0373.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.118] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TeFB-0006FV-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3C4FB6A1.142BBE62@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:24:17 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Fardy Cc: imp@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) References: <41CAAE84-1080-11D6-9155-00039359034A@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Paul Fardy wrote: > > For what it's worth, I think that the user: > > > > smmsp Sendmail Mail Submission Protocol > > > > should be changed to: > > > > mspd Mail Submission Protocol Daemon > > > > to be agnostic to the program using it. > > But isn't it a Sendmail protocol? > > (print $headers; print; print $body) | $msp [-f ] [-t] > (print $headers; print; print $body) | $msp [-f ] ... > > I guess that's minimal support for the SMMSP, though headers could be > non-existent. No. It is a protocol seperate from SMTP, specifically to deal with mail submission. By the same token, ATRN servers rarely run on the SMTP port. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 23:30:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (horsey.gshapiro.net [209.220.147.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B29637B402; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from horsey.gshapiro.net (gshapiro@localhost [IPv6:::1]) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g0O7UpUa082433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gshapiro@localhost) by horsey.gshapiro.net (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g0O7Upgi082430; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:30:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15439.47146.908437.214025@horsey.gshapiro.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:30:50 -0800 From: Gregory Neil Shapiro To: Terry Lambert Cc: Paul Fardy , imp@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) In-Reply-To: <3C4FB6A1.142BBE62@mindspring.com> References: <41CAAE84-1080-11D6-9155-00039359034A@mac.com> <3C4FB6A1.142BBE62@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> > smmsp Sendmail Mail Submission Protocol This is incorrect. The 'p' is program, not protocal. This user has nothing to do with the MSA (mail submission agent), port 587, or RFC 2476. It is specific to sendmail and 8.12's method of injection just as other MTAs have their own specific users. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 23:39:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gw-1.adm.msi.ru (gw-1-A1-115k.adm.msi.ru [212.14.192.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F0F37B41C for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:39:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from vperep (vperep [212.14.192.100]) by gw-1.adm.msi.ru (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0OIhKL00528 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:43:21 +1100 (MG) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:46:05 +1100 From: Vladimir Perepechenko X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Vladimir Perepechenko Organization: Magadansvyazinform Company X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10234905972.20020124184605@adm.msi.ru> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Is Didiboard AccelePort Xp supported in FreeBSD 4.4 ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! I ordered this multiport adapter (PCI Bus)but not shure about compatibility. What you think? ó Õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ, ÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ ðÅÒÅÐÅÞÅÎËÏ mailto:vperep@adm.msi.ru éÎÖÅÎÅÒ-ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÉÓÔ --------------- "íÁÇÁÄÁÎó×ÑÚØéÎÆÏÒÍ" òÁÂ. ÔÅÌ: (413-22)9-77-41 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jan 23 23:48:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta03bw.bigpond.com (mta03bw.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE9F37B405 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ninox.burren.cx ([144.135.24.69]) by mta03bw.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GQFNCT00.GP2 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:55:41 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-138-135.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.138.135]) by bwmam01.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0h 8/2847032); 24 Jan 2002 17:48:34 Received: (qmail 1235 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 07:48:02 -0000 Received: from localhost.local2 (HELO burren.cx) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.local2 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 07:48:02 -0000 To: kudzu@tenebras.com From: David Burren Cc: Stoian Mishinev , "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Multiple Aironet adapters In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Sierchio of "Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:47:15 -0800." <3C4F67A3.9EA5A5F5@tenebras.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:48:02 +1100 Message-ID: <1233.1011858482@burren.cx> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Sierchio wrote: > > Having two transceivers in immediate proximity is > probably bound to cause problems for both networks -- those on the same > ad-hoc or IBSS net will cooperate, but... From his ifconfig output you can see that an0 was on channel 2 and an1 was on channel 7. 5 channels of seperation should not be a problem for 11 Mbps operation. __ David B. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 0:48:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dream.mplik.ru (dream.mplik.ru [195.58.1.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E5737B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sight (sight.mplik.ru [195.58.27.104]) by dream.mplik.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA19182; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:48:01 +0500 (YEKT) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:47:59 +0500 From: Sergey Gershtein X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Business Reply-To: Sergey Gershtein Organization: Ural Relcom Ltd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <30787244167.20020124134759@ur.ru> To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[3]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <20020123125856.C56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> References: <20020123125856.C56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, January 24, 2002 you wrote: >> It's already set to 512, is it too high? We did not rebuild the >> kernel after adding memory, it worked fine with maxusers 512 and >> 1024M RAM. DW> Yes. You've scaled the tables so large that when you double the RAM, the DW> page tables + maxusers 512 tables > KVM. DW> Also, there are problems going from 1GB to 2GB on early 4.4-STABLE ... DW> when did you build last? It was last rebuilt on September 28th. I'm going to re-cvsup 4.4-STABLE today and rebuild everything with maxusers 128. Thanks! >> maxusers 512 DW> Drop this to 128, definitely. If you're doing a lot of network, monitor DW> your mbuf usage and override that if necessary. It's a rather heavily loaded web server (average of 25 requests/sec, 100kb/sec), so I guess it's a lot of network. Could you please point me to the right direction where to read about mbuf monitoring? I found some info in the Handbook (6.10 Tuning Kernel Limits), but there are not much unfortunately. DW> Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve DW> dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 0:54:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shikima.mine.nu (pc1-card4-0-cust77.cdf.cable.ntl.com [62.252.49.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C6137B405 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rasputin by shikima.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TfeA-0000q4-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:54:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:54:14 +0000 From: Rasputin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Supported graphics tablets? Message-ID: <20020124085414.A3218@shikima.mine.nu> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subject says it all, really - I was wondering whether our usbd supports any Wacom-like graphics tablets (preferably USb as I'd like to re-use it on an iBook) I just wanted something I could use with Gimp (XF86 4) Thanks! -- Without ice cream life and fame are meaningless. Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 1: 0:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from eve.framatome.fr (eve.framatome.fr [195.101.50.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDBF37B41B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:00:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (ubc@localhost) by eve.framatome.fr (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g0NFaKH66444 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ubc@eve.framatome.fr) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:20 +0100 (CET) From: Claude Buisson To: Subject: NFS / softupdates problems Message-ID: <20020123154602.K66257-100000@eve.framatome.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Am I the only one to have problems with NFS and/or softupdates ? For more than one year I upgraded a laptop running -stable as a NFS client (make installkernel,installworld) from a desktop where I make the world and the kernel. On these systems, / and /usr do not have softupdates enabled, but /usr/obj, /usr/src and /usr/ports are symlinked to /home where softupdates are enabled. The last time it worked was with sources cvsuped on December 13, on which I applied the "NFS-patches" from the hackers mailing list which were published on Daemon News the same day. (To prevent any remark, I never cvsup against my "running" source, but always against a clean base - and I always rm -rf obj) My next try was with clean source cvsuped on December 28, where the install was OK but where I got kernel panics on the NFS client when doing cp -R for src and ports. The panic message was (is): /kernel: panic: vinvalbuf: dirty bufs Same problem with source cvsuped on January 4 and 11. I tried different mount options, tried other servers at various (older) -stable levels, always with the same result. Then, I disabled softupdates on /home and found that I could copy the ports collection without any problem - with a performance drop. Using cvsweb, I found that for -current sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_softdep.c has been modified on January 11 (from 1.102 to 1.103) with a reference to my panic message in the log. I took the chance to (blindly) apply the patch to my -stable, and found that it seemed to solve my problem. As the log said "MFC after: 1 week", I thought I just had to wait a few days. But the source cvsuped on January 19 gave the same panic without the ffs_softdep.c patch on a system with softupdates enabled, and no panic with softupdates disabled. With the ffs-softdep.c patched, I got errors: Input/output error and Permission denied when copying the ports collection, which were not repeated on a second try. So, is this problem specific to my systems ? can somebody help ? what can/must I do to help elucidate it ? Claude Buisson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 1: 8:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from keyser.soze.com (keyser.soze.com [194.165.93.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E70F37B405 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from erg.verweg.com ([132.229.90.89]) by keyser.soze.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12877 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:02:31 +0100 (CET) Received: (from ruben@localhost) by erg.verweg.com (8.9.3+3.2W/8.9.3) id KAA26596 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:08:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:08:24 +0100 From: Ruben van Staveren To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New sendmail users (was Re: HEADS UP: Apache port change from nobody:nogroup to www:www planned) Message-ID: <20020124090824.GA26481@erg.verweg.com> References: <29611.1003411145@axl.seasidesoftware.co.za> <15311.1383.814782.672622@horsey.gshapiro.net> <20020123131816.GA43706@lucky.net> <15438.60023.705225.44960@horsey.gshapiro.net> <200201231731.g0NHVO085022@bmah.dyndns.org> <15438.62444.300546.808256@horsey.gshapiro.net> <3C4F5767.1B19D5BC@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C4F5767.1B19D5BC@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:37:59PM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Gregory Neil Shapiro wrote: > > For what it's worth, I think that the user: > > smmsp Sendmail Mail Submission Protocol > > should be changed to: > > mspd Mail Submission Protocol Daemon > > to be agnostic to the program using it. smmsp is the name the sendmail authors devised and since sendmail is still the defacto MTA under FreeBSD there is no reason to change it. Other MTA's may use enterly different security mechanisms. And if you don't like the `sendmail' part in smmsp you can always think of it as: System Mail Submission Protocol > > -- Terry > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Regards, Ruben -- ,-_ .----------------------------------------------------------------. /() ) | Ruben van Staveren http://ruben.is.verweg.com/ |_o (__ ( |Men are from Mars. Women are from Venus. Computers are from hell| #> =/ () `----------------------------------------------------------------' 4 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 2: 6:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45AC37B404; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 5C37D4B65D; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:06:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:06:36 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 / x86 Now Available. Message-ID: <20020124100636.GF1674@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+nBD6E3TurpgldQp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Our third 4.5 release candidate is now available : ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC3 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.5-RC3-install.iso This release candidate fixes a number of issues that were reported with RC2. Installations from aic(4)-based PCMCIA devices should now be possible. For this RC, bge(4) was added to the GENERIC kernel and the txp(4) device was moved over to the MFSROOT as a module. This should allow network installations with Broadcom gigabit Ethernet adapters.[1] A number of suggestions about the package set were addressed with this RC, but unfortunately sawfish-gnome, fvwm2, and xfmail are still unavailable. There will be one final release candidate (RC4) before the final release is made available. The testing guide and release notes have been updated with a few new items : http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.5R/qa.html http://www.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes Thanks, The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team. [1] This functionality has not been committed to -STABLE yet, a small patch was patched to the build with "make release LOCAL_PATCHES=..". The patch is available at http://www.freebsd.org/~murray/patches/drivers.diff, and simply turns on a new device for the boot floppy. --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8T9yrtNcQog5FH30RArCHAJ91r2+7zlMPrp240YaLU7dDD31kCgCgo6lB HZGVTnXDYo1qCisqJ8H1P5I= =RKAD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+nBD6E3TurpgldQp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:12: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from atos.sr.se (atos.sr.se [192.121.194.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D728637B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from honken.sr.se (honken.sr.se [134.25.128.27]) by atos.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0OEBqo58745 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: from pluto.sr.se (pluto.SR.SE [134.25.193.91]) by honken.sr.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA86703 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar@pluto.sr.se) Received: (from root@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0OEBpW94066 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar) Received: (from gunnar@localhost) by pluto.sr.se (8.11.6/8.11.1av) id g0OEBnL94048 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gunnar) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:11:49 +0100 From: Gunnar Flygt To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Message-ID: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> Reply-To: Gunnar Flygt Mail-Followup-To: Gunnar Flygt , FreeBSD Stable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I cvsuped some hours ago the ports tree, and all of a sudden the newly introduced XFree86 4.2.0 is backed out to the old 4.1.0 !! Why? -- __o regards, Gunnar ---_ \<,_ email: flygt@sr.se ---- (_)/ (_) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:18: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9766C37B41B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hukins.hn.org ([62.253.84.165]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020124141758.KBYY8780.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@hukins.hn.org> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:17:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 67344 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Jan 2002 14:17:56 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:17:56 +0000 From: Tom Hukins To: Gunnar Flygt Cc: FreeBSD Stable , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Message-ID: <20020124141756.A67330@eborcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Tom Hukins , Gunnar Flygt , FreeBSD Stable , ports@freebsd.org References: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se>; from flygt@sr.se on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100, Gunnar Flygt wrote: > I cvsuped some hours ago the ports tree, and all of a sudden the newly > introduced XFree86 4.2.0 is backed out to the old 4.1.0 !! > > Why? See the CVS commit logs: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/x11/XFree86-4/ If you want to know when/why something in FreeBSD changed, it's always worth checking http://cvsweb.FreeBSD.org/ Also, as this is a ports question, it should really be sent to the -ports mailing list (which I've Cc'd on this message) rather than -stable. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:42: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f44.hotmail.com [216.32.181.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED57C37B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:42:01 -0800 Received: from 24.197.146.19 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:42:01 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.197.146.19] From: "Kenneth Mays" To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Good version of Sendmail to test with FBSD!?! Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:42:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 14:42:01.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[48C76E20:01C1A4E5] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm trying to test a good version of Sendmail to run on a testbed of FBSD servers. Is there a preferred version to use like v8.9.x or v8.11.6?? I rather start with a good version of Sendmail to test with so I'm not placing blame on the v4.5RC2 or 4.4-S servers or ports. Ken _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:49: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A9537B41A for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0OElV513955 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:47:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:47:29 -0600 From: mikea To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON Message-ID: <20020124084729.B13889@mikea.ath.cx> References: <20020124013432.2370237B417@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124013432.2370237B417@hub.freebsd.org>; from krissrolo@aol.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:21:38AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:21:38AM -0000, kriss rolo wrote: > These are the items that iam interested in selling.. [snip remainder of spam] LART sent to abuse@aol. Somehow I think he won't be around long enough to justify asking postmaster@freebsd.org to stick his address in /etc/mail/access.db. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:57:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com (mailout01.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDA837B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:57:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from fwd05.sul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 16TlJi-0007K2-07; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:30 +0100 Received: from odin (320068295437-0001@[217.230.8.253]) by fwd05.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 16TlJW-0cNyICC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:18 +0100 Received: (from garbeam@localhost) by odin (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OEks800577 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from garbeam) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:54 +0100 From: anselmg@t-online.de (Anselm Garbe) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: system hangs after reboot Message-ID: <20020124154654.A539@odin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Sender: 320068295437-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all! I've an IBM PC Server 315 with FreeBSD-stable (currently 4.5-RC). It's a Pentium Pro 200 system with Adaptec 2940 UW-SCSI Controller and 3 SCSI-drives. The problem is, that a reboot of this server results in hanging the system after the "Rebooting..." message. I need to cold start the system every time, I tried to invoke a reboot (via reboot, shutdowm, Ctrl-Alt-Del or something else). I tried a long time until now to solve the problem with no success. Here's what I can say: - Under Slackware Linux 8.0 and a self made LFS-2.4.17 the server reboots fine - so I'm sure that the system is able to reboot in protected mode. - The BOROKEN_KEYBOARD_RESET option has no effect (keyb. controller seems to be ok). - SCSI can't be the problem, because I tried kernels without SCSI-support. - The keyboard can't be the problem, because I tried several keyboards. - APM was disabled in BIOS and kernel. - I tried several CPU_-kernel options with no effect. - SMP-support has no effect (is a single CPU-board). I've to add that the server is possibly one of the oldest systems with USB-support, but USB is disabled (kernel options disabled). The BIOS Version and SCSI-BIOS is up to date (I flashed the latest releases available). I think, that this problem can be observed on any IBM PC Server 315. Does anyone know a solution? Cheers, Anselm PS: And sorry for my bad English - it's not my native language, but I'm going to learn it in a native speaking country in the near future. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 6:57:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sloep41.cs.vu.nl (sloep41.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8BF37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:57:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by sloep41.cs.vu.nl with esmtp (Smail #71) id m16TlJu-0017MsC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:42 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Hazejager To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: PCI 802.11b recommendations? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi guys, I'm looking at a PCI Wireless LAN solution. Security is not an issue (I'll be running IPsec on it), but availability here in the Netherlands and of course compatibility with FreeBSD 4-stable is. These are my options: 3Com AirConnect Wireless Ethernet PCI Intel Pro Wireless 2011 PCI Netgear Wireless PCI MA301GE (the cheapest at EUR 59) Does anyone have any experience running one of these under 4-STABLE? Thanks! Sven Age of Magic - http://www.ageofmagic.org Join the mailing list to stay up-to-date! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 7: 3:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115CA37B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0OF3g814021; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:03:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:03:42 -0600 From: mikea To: Kenneth Mays Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good version of Sendmail to test with FBSD!?! Message-ID: <20020124090342.C13889@mikea.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kmays2000@hotmail.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:42:01AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:42:01AM -0500, Kenneth Mays wrote: > I'm trying to test a good version of Sendmail to run on a testbed > of FBSD servers. Is there a preferred version to use like v8.9.x or > v8.11.6?? I rather start with a good version of Sendmail to test with so I'm > not placing blame on the v4.5RC2 or 4.4-S servers or ports. > > Ken I'm perfectly happy with 8.11.6. That may be due to massive ignorance on my part, but it just keeps working and working and working -- on my home system. It's low-traffic: maybe 1000 per day, but it's solid. I can't speak for its behavior at higher rates, but I'd certainly give it a try. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 7:24:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D098E37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:24:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0OFO5A14104 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:24:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:24:04 -0600 From: mikea To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good version of Sendmail to test with FBSD!?! Message-ID: <20020124092404.E13889@mikea.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from kmays2000@hotmail.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:07:25AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:07:25AM -0500, Kenneth Mays wrote in response to my ringing endorsement of sendmail 8.11.6: > Thanks!! Do you know of anyone testing the newer v8.12.2? No, but I'll bet a Coke (the drinking kind) that someone on the stable list is. -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 7:29:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E776537B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (nantes.kisoft-services.com [193.56.60.243]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F3507250E; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:29:43 +0100 (CET) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07F8AE6C6D; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:20:40 +0100 (CET) To: Sven Hazejager Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? References: From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: (Sven Hazejager's message of "Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:57:42 +0100 (CET)") X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:20:39 +0100 Message-ID: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 25 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Sven" == Sven Hazejager writes: Sven> PCI Intel Pro Wireless 2011 PCI I've never been able to run this card under -stable. Stock wi fails to read mac address of the card. Mike Smith provided a patch to solve this problem. Patched wi probes and attachs the card but in my setup (dhcp) card gets an address and then no more packets coming back from the AP are seen by the ip stack. I've heard reports of 2011 running fine under -current (installation made over a wireless link iirc) Hope this helps Eric Masson -- un mec qui n'a pas d'emoluments de la part d'Aple qui gagne son argent de poche en crayonant des bouts de films animes et qui en plus donne les clefs de la boutique a tout le monde c'est pas normal ! -+- VN in Guide du Macounet Pervers : De Son Intérimerie Steve Jobs -+- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 7:39:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cheer.mahoroba.org (flets19-017.kamome.or.jp [218.45.19.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123C537B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mille.mahoroba.org (IDENT:JWHblBmnTZ6WDXqyAbgHhXwK6oth+7KgeeTm9EQQS9slRCIDsWt83rnMgDsTS7bl@mille.mahoroba.org [IPv6:2001:200:301:0:202:2dff:fe0a:6bee]) (user=ume mech=CRAM-MD5 bits=0) by cheer.mahoroba.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP/inet6 id g0OFdfYQ040193 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:39:41 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:39:37 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hajimu UMEMOTO To: mikea Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good version of Sendmail to test with FBSD!?! In-Reply-To: <20020124092404.E13889@mikea.ath.cx> References: User-Agent: xcite1.38> Wanderlust/2.8.1 (Something) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 Emacs/21.1 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCOC1MWhsoQg==?=) X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:24:04 -0600 >>>>> mikea said: mikea> On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:07:25AM -0500, Kenneth Mays wrote mikea> in response to my ringing endorsement of sendmail 8.11.6: > Thanks!! Do you know of anyone testing the newer v8.12.2? mikea> No, but I'll bet a Coke (the drinking kind) that someone on mikea> the stable list is. I'm using 8.12.2 on 4.5-RC boxes. It seems working fine to me. But, you may need some configuration change from 8.11.6. -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 7:46:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from voyager.bxscience.edu (voyager.bxscience.edu [167.206.203.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31BB637B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:46:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 89300 invoked by uid 197); 24 Jan 2002 15:46:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:46:10 -0500 From: Jared Chenkin To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: make world fails ? Message-ID: <20020124104610.A89225@voyager.bxscience.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG CVSup'ed this morning at about 9:00 and make world gave this : cc -O -pipe -Wall -I. -I/home/src/usr.bin/colldef/../../lib/libc/locale -DCOLLATE_DEBUG -c parse.c /home/src/usr.bin/colldef/parse.y: In function `main': /home/src/usr.bin/colldef/parse.y:245: warning: implicit declaration of function `strlcpy' cc -O -pipe -Wall -I. -I/home/src/usr.bin/colldef/../../lib/libc/locale -DCOLLATE_DEBUG -c scan.c /home/src/usr.bin/colldef/scan.l:638: warning: `yyunput' defined but not used cc -O -pipe -Wall -I. -I/home/src/usr.bin/colldef/../../lib/libc/locale -DCOLLATE_DEBUG -static -o colldef parse.o scan.o -ll parse.o: In function `main': parse.o(.text+0x5d): undefined reference to `strlcpy' *** Error code 1 It's a 3.1-RELEASE system..i read UPDATING but maybe i missed something important. The man page for string.h doesn't list strlcpy as a function, so do I need to update my libraries? I also looked around the src tree and found a newer string.h with a strlcpy, but I'm not sure which is being included? Do i need to point it at the cvsuped libraries? (If so, how?) Thanks in advance! -- Live Large, Jared Chenkin (AIM: DevNull24) Networked Systems Administrator Bronx Science Computing To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 8:47:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2242237B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] helo=dogma) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 16Tn1n-000ECD-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:47:08 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma (8.11.4/8.11.1) id g0OGl6P69172 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:47:06 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:47:06 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ETA for 4.6? Message-ID: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Scanner: exiscan *16Tn1n-000ECD-00*4LJAKYdxw6Q* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) jm -- "Marquis de Sod Lawn Maintenance" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 8:59:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43CE37B41A for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OGvlI75341; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:57:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:57:47 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: j mckitrick Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? Message-ID: <20020124115747.A75315@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:47:06PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Geez, jm, let us get the other one out! :) Usually every four months, so I'd say May. On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:47:06PM +0000, j mckitrick wrote: > > I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance > on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. > > I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install > it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) > > jm > -- > "Marquis de Sod Lawn Maintenance" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org my FreeBSD column: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 8:59:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4781E37B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020124165941.PFQT26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:59:41 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OGxeC13022; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201241659.g0OGxeC13022@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: j mckitrick Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? In-reply-to: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Comments: In-reply-to j mckitrick message dated "Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:47:06 +0000." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:59:39 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, j mckitrick wrote: > I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance > on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. > > I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install > it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) So presumably you mean summer in the Northern Hemisphere, right? :-) We plan for releases every four months. You can look here to see how well we've adhered to that: http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/ You could maybe look for 4.6-RELEASE around May 2002. The CD sets typically lag the actual release dates, but not by more than a few weeks. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 9:20:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from energyhq.homeip.net (213-97-200-73.uc.nombres.ttd.es [213.97.200.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91AC137B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (kajsa.energyhq.org [192.168.0.1]) by energyhq.homeip.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDCC63FC05; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:20:45 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Miguel Mendez Organization: Energy HQ To: Jared Chenkin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make world fails ? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:20:18 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020124104610.A89225@voyager.bxscience.edu> In-Reply-To: <20020124104610.A89225@voyager.bxscience.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020124172045.BDCC63FC05@energyhq.homeip.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday 24 January 2002 16:46, Jared Chenkin wrote: > CVSup'ed this morning at about 9:00 and make world gave this : Jared, don't quote me on this, but IIRC you can't upgrade a 3.x box to 4.5 in one step, you must first update to 4.1-STABLE, so how are you doing it, did you cvsup to 4.1? Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net FreeBSD - The power to serve! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 9:37:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4995037B41A; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:37:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] helo=dogma) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 16Tnop-0004K2-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:37:47 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma (8.11.4/8.11.1) id g0OHblk69603; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:37:47 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:37:46 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: "Bruce A. Mah" , mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? Message-ID: <20020124173745.A69326@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <200201241659.g0OGxeC13022@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200201241659.g0OGxeC13022@bmah.dyndns.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:59:39AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:59:39AM -0800, Bruce A. Mah wrote: | If memory serves me right, j mckitrick wrote: | | > I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance | > on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. | > | > I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install | > it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) | | So presumably you mean summer in the Northern Hemisphere, right? :-) Oops. I failed global awareness, didn't I? ;-) | We plan for releases every four months. You can look here to see how | well we've adhered to that: That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure the was going to *be* a 4.6. | You could maybe look for 4.6-RELEASE around May 2002. The CD sets | typically lag the actual release dates, but not by more than a few | weeks. Sounds good. I've learned (from michael lucas) to never ever assume a reinstall or build world will go flawlessly. It seems every time I have issues with serial ports being moved around and my ppp connection thus not working. If it's not that, it's something else. So I'd prefer to have the time to work it out. It's usually minor, but I don't want to be under any time constraints to figure it out. Besides, I want to print out a copy of 'man tuning' and repartition/reinstall from scratch. Thanks! jm -- "Marquis de Sod Lawn Maintenance" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 10:14:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD8437B400; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from levais.imp.ch (levais.imp.ch [157.161.4.66]) by mail.imp.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0OIEAv84911; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:14:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:14:10 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Cc: Subject: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 Message-ID: <20020124184810.M47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg, I've solved my issues differently. But unfortunatly I'm not able to recover from a simulated disk-crash. Here is what I made: Two disks: da0, da0, both 35GB 1) Installed FreeBSD on da0s1a 2) mount so single user mode dd bs=4096k if=/dev/da0 of=/dev/da1 (to have the root on disk 2 too, I did this cold mirror) I plan to do a cold mirror procedure each evening, since the root will be mostly static anyway. mount /dev/da1a /mnt cd /mnt && dump -rf 0 /dev/da0a -f - | restore -xf - rm /mnt/restoresytable umount /mnt 3) I edited the disklabels and set da0e, da0f, da0g to type vinum # vinum mirror -n var /dev/da0e /dev/da1e # vinum mirror -n docsis /dev/da0f /dev/da1f # vinum mirror -n docsisvar /dev/da0g /dev/da1g # newfs -v /dev/vinum/var # newfs -v /dev/vinum/docsis # newfs -v /dev/vinum/docsisvar and then I mounted everything. /dev/da0s1b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/da0s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/vinum/var /newvar ufs rw 1 1 /dev/vinum/docsis /docsis ufs rw 1 1 /dev/vinum/docsisvar /docsis/var ufs rw 1 1 Fine, that worked wonderful But now I tried what happens if the disk 0 fails, I mean da0. I took da0 out and replaced it with a new disk. I switched jumpers, so da0 got da1, and da1 got da0 and rebooted. I could boot fine, vinum failed to start and I was in single user mode. The I saw: # vinum start Warning: defective objects D vinumdrive0 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB D vinumdrive2 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB D vinumdrive4 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB P var.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 1023 P docsis.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 6143 P docsisvar.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 22 S var.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 1023 S docsis.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 6143 S docsisvar.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 22 where is p1 ??? Then I tried to do: # echo "drive evar device /dev/da1e" >> configfile # echo "drive edocsis device /dev/da1f" >> configfile # echo "drive edocsisvar device /dev/da1g" >> configfile # vinum create configfile And boom I got a double fault. Strange thing is that I can vinum start, see the error messages, and then can mount all this "mirrors" fine, but indead they are not mirrors. It's just this disk which I can see. How can I get vinum to recover from this ? Infact I just need to add da1e, da1g, da1f as mirror partition, nothing else. This cannot be that complicated, can it ? Martin Martin Blapp, ------------------------------------------------------------------ Improware AG, UNIX solution and service provider Zurlindenstrasse 29, 4133 Pratteln, Switzerland Phone: +41 061 826 93 00: +41 61 826 93 01 PGP Fingerprint: B434 53FC C87C FE7B 0A18 B84C 8686 EF22 D300 551E ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 10:23:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-131.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA6A037B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DD5566B74; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:23:45 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Claude Buisson Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS / softupdates problems Message-ID: <20020124102345.A52483@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020123154602.K66257-100000@eve.framatome.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020123154602.K66257-100000@eve.framatome.fr>; from ubc@paris.framatome.fr on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:36:20PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:36:20PM +0100, Claude Buisson wrote: > As the log said "MFC after: 1 week", I thought I just had to wait a few > days. That's an advisory notice and not indication of an automatic MFC. Maybe it hasn't been merged yet. Kris --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UFEwWry0BWjoQKURAlz8AKCBRfaYcVzVahLy4CqnyxyttJqteACgqTUj vwQh7cDyByxwcUOz7l6j0q4= =4q3c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 10:24:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-131.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D29737B417 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 223C466B74; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:24:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 10:24:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Gunnar Flygt Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Message-ID: <20020124102415.B52483@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se>; from flygt@sr.se on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100, Gunnar Flygt wrote: > I cvsuped some hours ago the ports tree, and all of a sudden the newly > introduced XFree86 4.2.0 is backed out to the old 4.1.0 !! >=20 > Why? Because there's a release happening in a minute. Kris --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UFFPWry0BWjoQKURAsm+AJ9ULSIinyukQVw/mzPb2kHAe7wxAQCgmrNl frmM4g/AdFTMVlyOXUXvgAQ= =gZ8j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LpQ9ahxlCli8rRTG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11: 7:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA1D37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0OJ75on038403 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:07:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:07:05 -0500 (EST) From: jack To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: MAKE_ISOS and CD_EXTRA_BITS Message-ID: <20020124122000.Q33638-100000@germanium.xtalwind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kudos to whoever thought of these. However CD_EXTRA_BITS isn't passed to the chroot environment. Works Here[tm] patch to /usr/src/release/Makefile follows. --- Makefile.orig Wed Jan 23 17:35:45 2002 +++ Makefile Thu Jan 24 12:13:40 2002 @@ -251,6 +251,7 @@ @exit 1 .endif .if make(release) + @echo "XXXX CD_EXTRA_BITS = ${CD_EXTRA_BITS} 1" .if exists(${CHROOTDIR}) # The first command will fail on a handful of files that have their schg # flags set. But it greatly speeds up the next two commands. @@ -351,6 +352,9 @@ .endif .if defined(MAKE_ISOS) echo "export MAKE_ISOS=${MAKE_ISOS}" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk +.endif +.if defined(CD_EXTRA_BITS) + echo "export CD_EXTRA_BITS=${CD_EXTRA_BITS}" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk .endif .if defined(DOMINIMALDOCPORTS) echo "export DOMINIMALDOCPORTS=${DOMINIMALDOCPORTS}" >> ${CHROOTDIR}/mk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:20:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6635337B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0OJJTh93950; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:19:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:19:28 +0200 From: Nevermind To: John Polstra Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, hopet@ics.muni.cz Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 Message-ID: <20020124191928.GB91812@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> <200201222001.g0MK1Px95581@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201222001.g0MK1Px95581@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, John Polstra! On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 12:01:25PM -0800, you wrote: > There is definitely a cvsup-without-gui port. It's possible that the > packages for it haven't been built yet. > > Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. > CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller > and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. Does this apply to execution speed? -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:31:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (veldy-host33.dsl.visi.com [209.98.200.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB7237B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from HP2500B (localhost.veldy.net [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 468211A01F; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:31:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <003801c1a50d$6237b360$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "j mckitrick" , References: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:29:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Towards the end of may? Supposedly every four months and four months from Jan 26 is May 26. Tom Veldhouse ----- Original Message ----- From: "j mckitrick" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: ETA for 4.6? > > I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance > on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. > > I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install > it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) > > jm > -- > "Marquis de Sod Lawn Maintenance" > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:37:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quarter.csl.sri.com (quarter.csl.sri.com [130.107.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743BD37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.20]) by quarter.csl.sri.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0OJbQ1k014466 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:37:26 -0800 Message-Id: <200201241937.g0OJbQ1k014466@quarter.csl.sri.com> To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RAT Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:37:26 -0800 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone been able to run rat using the latest FreeBSD Stable stuff? For the past few days I'm getting RAT v4.2.13: Could not send mbus message (14:1) when I run it from sdr. It just hangs when I run it from the command line, as follows: rat snapdragon/12345 (it takes up all the CPU time on one cpu on my SMP box). I'm currently running the new release candidate: FreeBSD snapdragon.csl.sri.com 4.5-RC3 FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 #0: Thu Jan 24 09:51:59 PST 2002 gilham@snapdragon.csl.sri.com:/export/u1/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP-KERN i386 but I was able to get further than this a few days ago (I could actually communicate with other hosts). My sound card is as follows: pcm0: port 0x1800-0x183f irq 5 at device 12.0 on pci0 Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:50:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0B437B416; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0OJoNQ01760; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:50:24 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:50:23 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: scotty@klement.dstorm.net Cc: Dmitry Valdov , Bill Moran , , Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: <20020121235548.D40648-100000@grungy.dstorm.net> Message-ID: <20020124224757.O60455-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 scotty@klement.dstorm.net wrote: [snip] > > Yes. When I disconnect secondary (non ATA-66/100 compliant) drive from this > > cable, FreeBSD use ATA-100 on primary. > > atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > . . . > ad0: 19458MB [39535/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 > ad1: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66 > ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable > ad2: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 > ad3: 2503MB [5086/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA33 > > They are the exact same drives using the exact same cable. My controller > only supports UDMA66, not 100... but the reason that the 2nd controller > seems to print out "non-ATA66 compiant cable" appears to simply be that > ad3 is only ATA33 capable. > > Just thought I'd pipe up, since the subject came up :) Hmm, can ever ATA controller clock out both master device at 66MHz and slave at 33MHz? I suppose the effect is *not* unexpected. However, the warning message would be slightly reworded like "non-ATA66 compliant cable or second device" Just my $.02 ;-) Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:53:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe24.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E45F37B404; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:30 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.227.61] From: "Lawrence Sica" To: "Dmitry Morozovsky" , Cc: "Dmitry Valdov" , "Bill Moran" , , References: <20020124224757.O60455-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:53:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 19:53:30.0946 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC57F220:01C1A510] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dmitry Morozovsky" To: Cc: "Dmitry Valdov" ; "Bill Moran" ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 scotty@klement.dstorm.net wrote: > > [snip] > > > > Yes. When I disconnect secondary (non ATA-66/100 compliant) drive from this > > > cable, FreeBSD use ATA-100 on primary. > > > > atapci0: port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > > . . . > > ad0: 19458MB [39535/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 > > ad1: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66 > > ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable > > ad2: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 > > ad3: 2503MB [5086/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA33 > > > > They are the exact same drives using the exact same cable. My controller > > only supports UDMA66, not 100... but the reason that the 2nd controller > > seems to print out "non-ATA66 compiant cable" appears to simply be that > > ad3 is only ATA33 capable. > > > > Just thought I'd pipe up, since the subject came up :) > > Hmm, can ever ATA controller clock out both master device at 66MHz and > slave at 33MHz? I suppose the effect is *not* unexpected. > > However, the warning message would be slightly reworded like "non-ATA66 > compliant cable or second device" > That is the biggest drawback of ide i thought, itso nly as fast as the slowest device on the controller... --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 11:54:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A700037B402; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:54:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OJsTq94418; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:54:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Søren Schmidt Message-Id: <200201241954.g0OJsTq94418@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: <20020124224757.O60455-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> To: Dmitry Morozovsky Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:54:28 +0100 (CET) Cc: scotty@klement.dstorm.net, Dmitry Valdov , Bill Moran , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: sos@freebsd.dk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL94b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: > > ad0: 19458MB [39535/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 > > ad1: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA66 > > ata1-master: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable > > ad2: 76319MB [155061/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA33 > > ad3: 2503MB [5086/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA33 > > > > They are the exact same drives using the exact same cable. My controller > > only supports UDMA66, not 100... but the reason that the 2nd controller > > seems to print out "non-ATA66 compiant cable" appears to simply be that > > ad3 is only ATA33 capable. > > > > Just thought I'd pipe up, since the subject came up :) > > Hmm, can ever ATA controller clock out both master device at 66MHz and > slave at 33MHz? I suppose the effect is *not* unexpected. Yes, the way I've done the mode programming it is possible to have the two device run at different speeds (our competition cant do that). > However, the warning message would be slightly reworded like "non-ATA66 > compliant cable or second device" Good point, I'll get something done about this... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 12:10:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [209.53.238.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3625737B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [209.53.238.2] (helo=auth.qcislands.net) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #2) id 16TqCq-000G8A-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:10:44 -0800 Received: from ccstore by auth.qcislands.net with local-rmail (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16TqCr-0007Mj-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:10:45 -0800 Received: from fstable by dick.ccstores.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16Tq68-0001oC-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:03:48 -0800 From: fstable@ccstores.com (FreeBSD chat) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: re:FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 / x86 Now Available. Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailer: SCO Shell Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:03:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: FreeBSD 4.5-RC3 / x86 Now Available. >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:06:36 -0800 >From: Murray Stokely > Our third 4.5 release candidate is now available : >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.5-RC3 >ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/4.5-RC3-install.iso ftp access also at: ftp://ftp.qcislands.net/FreeBSD This is a reasonably fast Canadian (Vancouver) feed. ... is this permissable for me to do? -- FreeBSD stable directly mailto:paz@qcislands.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 12:12:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe38.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.18.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625D737B417; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:12:18 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.20.227.61] From: "Lawrence Sica" To: , "Dmitry Morozovsky" Cc: , "Dmitry Valdov" , "Bill Moran" , , References: <200201241954.g0OJsTq94418@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:12:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2002 20:12:18.0258 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C461B20:01C1A513] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Søren Schmidt" To: "Dmitry Morozovsky" Cc: ; "Dmitry Valdov" ; "Bill Moran" ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request > > Yes, the way I've done the mode programming it is possible to have the > two device run at different speeds (our competition cant do that). > I didnt know that was possible, very cool :) Thanks, Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 12:14: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35237B417 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:13:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA77088 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:13:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:13:58 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Force keyboard detection flag? Message-ID: <20020124151358.X18453@staff.msen.com> References: <20020117120511.W73347@staff.msen.com> <0201171721140C.03869@germanium> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <0201171721140C.03869@germanium>; from baldur@foo.is on Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:21:14PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 05:21:14PM +0000, Baldur Gislason wrote: > Have you never compiled your own kernel? Here's a paste from LINT: Often. You misread my email. > On Thursday 17 January 2002 17:05, you wrote: > > I started to look through the kernel code for keyboard detection > > with plans toward having a sysctl that forces the keyboard at run > > time, rather than kernel compile. But I got sidetracked. In other words, one could be running GENERIC. Boot the machine w/o a keyboard. Plug a keyboard in. ssh in and type something like sysctl -w enable.the.damn.keyboard.right.now=1 and the keyboard would come live. /\/\ \/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 12:28:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web10407.mail.yahoo.com (web10407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 088F237B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020124202816.27890.qmail@web10407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [163.118.116.130] by web10407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:15 PST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:15 -0800 (PST) From: Kevin Brunelle Subject: Installworld fails at openssl To: stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry this does not include the actual error message, I applied my attempt and started the install before I stopped to think about sending it in. The error I got was pod2man not found. What I did to *fix* this was to put the absolute path `/usr/bin/pod2man` in /usr/src/secure/usr.bin/openssl/Makefile. The install completed with no problems. I just have two questions: 1) I think this is the second time this exact same thing has happened to me at the exact same place... did it not get fixed last time and if not why didn't the file I changed get updated when I cvsup'd. 2) Was doing what I did the right thing to do? Could this have potential affects to my system that I don't know about? Thanks for your time, and keep up the great work. Kevin Brunelle -- "The thing I love most about deadlines is the wonderful WHOOSHing sound they make as they go past." - Douglas Adams. "This above all, to thine own self be true, and it shall follow as night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man." ~ Shakespeare ~ ===== Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see, The devils of truth steal the souls of the free. Don't open your eyes, take it from me, I have found you can find happiness in slavery. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:17: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B95837B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:17:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0OLGl467234; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g0OLGls98942; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:16:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201242116.g0OLGls98942@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: never@nevermind.kiev.ua Subject: Re: cvsup in 4.5-RC2 In-Reply-To: <20020124191928.GB91812@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <200201221958.g0MJwAF27289@dior.ics.muni.cz> <200201222001.g0MK1Px95581@vashon.polstra.com> <20020124191928.GB91812@nevermind.kiev.ua> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20020124191928.GB91812@nevermind.kiev.ua>, Nevermind wrote: > > Try building it yourself. The build goes _much_ faster than before. > > CVSup now depends on a new distribution of Modula-3 which is smaller > > and builds faster. There's no reason to fear this port any more. > Does this apply to execution speed? The Modula-3 compiler is possibly faster by a very small amount. Programs compiled with it, such as CVSup, are probably about 10% faster in terms of CPU time. That's because the Modula-3 libraries are no longer built with position-independent code. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:21:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AD437B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OLM6207410; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[3]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <30787244167.20020124134759@ur.ru> Message-ID: <20020124131821.O5882-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > It's a rather heavily loaded web server (average of 25 requests/sec, > 100kb/sec), so I guess it's a lot of network. Could you please point > me to the right direction where to read about mbuf monitoring? I > found some info in the Handbook (6.10 Tuning Kernel Limits), but there > are not much unfortunately. 'netstat -m', watch these lines: 131/864/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 128/172/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) You want to keep the second number about 80% of the third number. If it gets too close bump the kernel tunables kern.mbufs and kern.nmbclusters (or set options MBUFS and NMBCLUSTERS in the kernel config). Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:24:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NetScum.dyndns.dk (pop-be-8-2-dialup-102.freesurf.ch [194.230.125.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36E237B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:24:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk (dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk [172.27.72.27] (may be forged)) by dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NetScum.dyndns.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0OKtjB00292 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified FAIL) for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk) Received: (from root@localhost) by beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OKtjl00291; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@dcf77-zeit.netscum.dyndns.dk) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:55:45 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201242055.g0OKtjl00291@beerswilling.netscum.dyndns.dk> From: BOUWSMA Beery Organization: Men not wearing any pants that dont shave To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: /boot.config and recent -stable X-Hacked: via telnet to your port 25, what else? X-Internet-Access-Provided-By: TDC Suisse AG, Rumlang X-NetScum: Yes X-One-And-Only-Real-True-Fluffy: No Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [replies sent directly to me may timeout and bounce, since I'm hardly ever online nowadays, but I'll check the list archives] (This info may be dated, since I last updated my source on 10.jan) Is it possible that the boot(8) man page may have some no-longer- correct info? I think that what I tried to do used to work some months back, but now, well... Quoting from the man page: By default, a three-stage bootstrap is employed, and control is automati- cally passed from the boot blocks (bootstrap stages one and two) to a separate third-stage bootstrap program, loader(8). [...] However, it is possible to dispense with the third stage altogether, either by specifying a kernel name in the boot block parameter file, /boot.config, or [...] What I had done more than half a year ago was to build a machine and set it up for possible headless operation by creating a /boot.config file as specified above containing: /kernel -P But recently, after I updated this machine with more recent -stable k0deZ, I noticed some things weren't quite working right. Like `top' f'rinstance, failing with an nlist message, in spite of repeated attempts to rebuild it and libkvm. Also I noticed a message at kernel boot that loader(8) metadata was missing. So just for fun, I moved my /boot.config file aside and voila, `top' worked fine and no more metadata message. Again on a lark I made the /boot.config file containing just: -P and then the loader went ahead as usual, and again things were in good order, and I was pleased. Relatively. So, um, is it possible in this day and age to dispense with the loader altogether, and if so, since by specifying the /kernel name in the config file seems to be a good way to break things, how does one do so nowadays? thanks barry bouwsma To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:43:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F6037B416; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0OLhJd60731; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:43:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: murray@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:43:19 -0800 Message-ID: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. I've already posted a correction as part of the ensuing thread, but just a heads-up in case you guys start getting questions about it. From everything I can see, somebody recycled my 4.4 announcement or something and the slashdot editors didn't even bother to verify it. Gack! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:45:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C17037B404; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g0OLj0D65274; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:00 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: murray@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! In-Reply-To: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Normally the clue would be that you spell your name right in your e-mail headers almost all of the time. :-) But then, Slashdot is not known for its fact-checking... Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but > slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. I've > already posted a correction as part of the ensuing thread, but just a > heads-up in case you guys start getting questions about it. From > everything I can see, somebody recycled my 4.4 announcement or > something and the slashdot editors didn't even bother to verify it. > > Gack! > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 13:45:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server1.wojo.com (server1.wojo.com [216.42.139.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F68D37B41E for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:45:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ishadow (pc3-oxfo3-0-cust229.oxf.cable.ntl.com [213.107.68.229]) by server1.wojo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F183B4A for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:28 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "Robin Breathe" To: Subject: RE: Possibly another RC2 ATA problem. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:45:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c1a520$719018d0$026ca8c0@ishadow> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'd recommend updating your BIOS. V2.09 stable is now out for the TK7, and runs great on my system. Find it at http://www.tyan.com/support/html/b_th_k7.html. Certainly worth a try, as the TK7s have had numerous problems through their short lives ;) To fix your disk you ought to be able to use the IBM Drive Fitness tool to low level format (need windows to make the floppy of course). http://www.storage.ibm.com/hdd/support/download.htm. Hope this helps Robin Breathe Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:36:49 -0600 (CST) From: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Possibly another RC2 ATA problem. I tried to load RC2 from the ISO image on a dual-athalon board with an IBM Deskstar 60GB. This was previously running a functioning Red Hat. I told partition to take the whole drive, gave it some labels to use, and told it to take ALL distributions. When I commited, I quickly got a write error from the drive. (The boot block was NOT protected in the BIOS.) Now the drive is hosed. The BIOS sees it, the probe sees it (with a different geometry), but when I get to Custom/Partition there are no disks found. The BIOS reports: 29437/16/255 The probe reports: 119150/16/63 (as ad0) The debug screen shows: DEBUG: Unable to open disk ad0 I have since tried looking at it from the 4.4-R install CD, but it looks the same from there. I cannot talk to the drive from DOS, either. I would normally think there is just something wrong with the drive, but with the other reported ATA problems, and the switch to 48 bits, I thought I should mention this. The motherboard is: Tyan Thunder K7, V2.07a BIOS. The drive reports itself as: IC35L060AVER07-0. There is no way to set the BIOS to the parameters show above. It autos to LBA mode. If anyone knows how I might talk to the drive, please let me know. stu fbsdstable@capnet.state.tx.us To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 14:12:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C9037BAEB; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020124221001.YGML26243.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:10:01 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0OMA1i64383; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201242210.g0OMA1i64383@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Watson Cc: Jordan Hubbard , murray@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, re@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Robert Watson message dated "Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:45:00 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:10:00 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Robert Watson wrote: > Normally the clue would be that you spell your name right in your e-mail > headers almost all of the time. :-) But then, Slashdot is not known for > its fact-checking... Ironically, I committed some of the release notes "glue" pages for the Web site today, so all the links from the /. post actually work and you don't got a 404 until you pick an architecture to view. I didn't think anybody would actually *try* those pages...guess I shouldn't do that again. Wheeee...we can get slashdotted twice for the same release! Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:20:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A465637B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:20:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27667; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:20:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09033; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:20:41 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200201242320.KAA09033@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 05/15/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: Gregory Bond To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: Doug White Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[3]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:47:59 +0500. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:20:40 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It was last rebuilt on September 28th. I'm going to re-cvsup 4.4-STABLE > today and rebuild everything with maxusers 128. Thanks! If you cvsup to a reasonbably recent version, use maxusers 0 and let the kernel work out how big it orta be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:31:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C2637B404; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id BC4604B65D; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:31:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:31:09 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: murray@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! Message-ID: <20020124233109.GG3160@freebsdmall.com> References: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:43:19PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but > slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. I've > already posted a correction as part of the ensuing thread, but just a > heads-up in case you guys start getting questions about it. From > everything I can see, somebody recycled my 4.4 announcement or > something and the slashdot editors didn't even bother to verify it. And this wonderful newsflash is brought to us only a few weeks after the FIRST "Official" CD release of FreeBSD was pre-announced[1]. I immediately followed that up with a story about the 47th "Official" CD release of FreeBSD to be released on January 26, but they never posted it. The editing at Slashdot has been a joke recently. It is very clear that the posters don't even follow the links in the submissions. I will send some pointers to the editors to make sure this never happens again, as I'm sure many readers have already done. - Murray [1] http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/01/09/1344238&mode=thread --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UJk9tNcQog5FH30RAk89AJ4hC65HJeRWD8eJyY68/lafiuM74wCgqPtm 9+iQea4iedkUWhh5vir4yKo= =8Cqx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DSayHWYpDlRfCAAQ-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:39:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E33637B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@VPN34.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.34]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0ONdUj27028 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:39:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020124233109.GG3160@freebsdmall.com> References: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> <20020124233109.GG3160@freebsdmall.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 24 Jan 2002 18:39:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1011915571.2687.6.camel@pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 2002-01-24 at 18:31, Murray Stokely wrote: > I will send some pointers to the editors to make sure this never > happens again, as I'm sure many readers have already done. ...yeah, right.... -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:53:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 203DA37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:53:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ONrkl69611; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:53:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ONrjx61650; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:53:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:53:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> To: shazeja@cs.vu.nl Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: Sven Hazejager writes: : 3Com AirConnect Wireless Ethernet PCI I've never got this to work, not have I had success reports from the field. : Intel Pro Wireless 2011 PCI My brother uses this. : Netgear Wireless PCI MA301GE (the cheapest at EUR 59) Are you sure you get a netcard with that :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:55: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8D537B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:55:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ONt0l69638; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:55:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ONsvx61662; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:54:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:54:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.165444.105374974.imp@village.org> To: e-masson@kisoft-services.com Cc: shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> References: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Eric Masson writes: : I've never been able to run this card under -stable. : : Stock wi fails to read mac address of the card. Mike Smith provided a : patch to solve this problem. : : Patched wi probes and attachs the card but in my setup (dhcp) card gets : an address and then no more packets coming back from the AP are seen by : the ip stack. : : I've heard reports of 2011 running fine under -current (installation : made over a wireless link iirc) My brother runs his Intel 2011 on his 4.5-RC VAIO without hassle. However, this is the pcmcia version, not the PCI version. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 15:56:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81DF37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0ONudl69657; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:56:39 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ONucx61677; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:56:38 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:56:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.165620.12064331.imp@village.org> To: jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020124164706.B69095@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> j mckitrick writes: : I know that's getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to take a chance : on an install and related breakage at the beginning of the semester. : : I'd like to know when the 4.6 CD will be out, so I can plan to install : it when I'll have the whole summer to get it right. :-) 4.5 will be finalized in the next few days. The CDs traditionally follow within a few weeks after that. The releases have traditionally been every 4 months, so 4.6 would be sometime in May or June if tradition holds. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 16: 8:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EF837B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:08:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g0P088J06598; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:08:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:08:08 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? Message-ID: <20020124160808.A5572@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:53:32PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:53:32PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : Netgear Wireless PCI MA301GE (the cheapest at EUR 59) >=20 > Are you sure you get a netcard with that :-) You don't. There is another cheap option which should be available soon. The Linksys PCI cards don't work at this point, but there should be driver modifications soon for them and other Prism 2.5s. The neat thing about the Linksys is that under the shielding, it's actually a mini-PCI adaptor. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UKHoXY6L6fI4GtQRAuMYAKDlS80eAOf1BEDhw0tQyFAridfNlwCfe1Ae UtZDYaQfNPgogzcN++0DsTA= =48De -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 16:24:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (sapphire.tenebras.com [66.92.188.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D2D37B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:24:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tenebras.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sapphire.tenebras.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P0OQN00564; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Message-ID: <3C50A5B5.55FAE1C1@tenebras.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:24:21 -0800 From: Michael Sierchio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? References: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > In message: > Sven Hazejager writes: > : 3Com AirConnect Wireless Ethernet PCI > > I've never got this to work, not have I had success reports from the > field. > > : Intel Pro Wireless 2011 PCI > > My brother uses this. > > : Netgear Wireless PCI MA301GE (the cheapest at EUR 59) > > Are you sure you get a netcard with that :-) The MA301 requires the MA401 wireless card. But is is cheaper than most, being a single pccard adapter. Question is, does this PCI-PCCARD bridge work with FreeBSD? There's a reason it's cheap, too -- it isn't meant for insertion and removal, there are no guide rails, etc. It's for putting in your box and forgetting. ;-) Amazon.com prices MA301 USD 45.99 EUR 59.79 MA401 USD 74.95 EUR 97.44 ------ ------ 120.94 157.22 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 16:26:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A7A37B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g0P0QcF09724; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:26:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:26:38 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Michael Sierchio Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? Message-ID: <20020124162638.A9588@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> <3C50A5B5.55FAE1C1@tenebras.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C50A5B5.55FAE1C1@tenebras.com>; from kudzu@tenebras.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:24:21PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:24:21PM -0800, Michael Sierchio wrote: > The MA301 requires the MA401 wireless card. But is is cheaper than > most, being a single pccard adapter. Question is, does this PCI-PCCARD > bridge work with FreeBSD? There's a reason it's cheap, too -- it isn't > meant for insertion and removal, there are no guide rails, etc. It's > for putting in your box and forgetting. ;-) It's supported, though the Linksys is about $20 cheaper. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UKY8XY6L6fI4GtQRAgkjAJ0Q8GCCCo6p2wNG2yQr/SAkv76zewCggFwo sgEyMZ1OR6nSX7Rp56/LzM0= =bHKv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u3/rZRmxL6MmkK24-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 16:42:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ic.ucsb.edu (ic.ucsb.edu [128.111.151.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A327237B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:42:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from viper.ic.ucsb.edu ([128.111.151.7] helo=ic.ucsb.edu) by ic.ucsb.edu with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 16TuRQ-0007NI-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:42:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3C50A9DC.7000508@ic.ucsb.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:42:04 -0800 From: Lopaka Delp Organization: Instructional Computing - Electronic Communications Group User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011126 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brooks Davis Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? References: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> <20020124160808.A5572@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brooks Davis wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:53:32PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > >>: Netgear Wireless PCI MA301GE (the cheapest at EUR 59) >> >>Are you sure you get a netcard with that :-) >> > > You don't. There is another cheap option which should be available > soon. The Linksys PCI cards don't work at this point, but there should > be driver modifications soon for them and other Prism 2.5s. The neat > thing about the Linksys is that under the shielding, it's actually a > mini-PCI adaptor. > > -- Brooks > > I actually got the Linksys WPC11 and WDT11 to work with 4.5-RC2 and 4.4-RELEASE. It was a pain, but it works. I had to do the following changes to the if_wi.c file: # cd /usr/src/sys/i386/isa # diff if_wi.c.orig if_wi.c 214a215 > {0x16ab, 0x1102, "Linksys WDT11 PCI IEEE 802.11b"}, 1954c1955 < 0, ~0, 1, RF_ACTIVE); --- > 0, ~0, 1, RF_SHAREABLE|RF_ACTIVE); It works for me, i hope it works for you. --> Lopaka -- Lopaka K. Delp e-mail: lopaka@ic.ucsb.edu UNIX Systems Administrator phone : (805)893-4561 Instructional Computing cell : (805)895-9257 University of California, WWW : http://www.ic.ucsb.edu/~lopaka Santa Barbara To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 17:12:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256F137B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:12:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g0P1C7i16061; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:12:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:12:07 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Lopaka Delp Cc: "M. Warner Losh" , shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? Message-ID: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124.165332.53441460.imp@village.org> <20020124160808.A5572@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3C50A9DC.7000508@ic.ucsb.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6TrnltStXW4iwmi0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3C50A9DC.7000508@ic.ucsb.edu>; from lopaka@ic.ucsb.edu on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:42:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:42:04PM -0800, Lopaka Delp wrote: >=20 > I actually got the Linksys WPC11 and WDT11 to work with 4.5-RC2 and=20 > 4.4-RELEASE. It was a pain, but it works. I had to do the following=20 > changes to the if_wi.c file: >=20 > # cd /usr/src/sys/i386/isa > # diff if_wi.c.orig if_wi.c > 214a215 >=20 > > {0x16ab, 0x1102, "Linksys WDT11 PCI IEEE 802.11b"}, >=20 > 1954c1955 > < 0, ~0, 1, RF_ACTIVE); > --- >=20 > > 0, ~0, 1, RF_SHAREABLE|RF_ACTIVE); >=20 >=20 > It works for me, i hope it works for you. I was actually refering to the WMP11 which does not work. The first change has been committed and will appear in 4.5-RELEASE. The second one probably can't be commited as is because wi_alloc is used by both the PCI and PCCard attachments and you can't share interupts with PCCard devices IIRC. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8ULDmXY6L6fI4GtQRAuuTAKCmmSa2TBXW8YSTqyP/bHwyBrxt6gCeIycN QZ2S5IXXKn3b+5P1HlDgwwU= =HGyp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6TrnltStXW4iwmi0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 17:15:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA3237B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:15:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1F5l70207; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:15:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P1F3x62212; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:15:04 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:14:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.181450.42978266.imp@village.org> To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: lopaka@ic.ucsb.edu, shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124160808.A5572@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3C50A9DC.7000508@ic.ucsb.edu> <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Brooks Davis writes: : I was actually refering to the WMP11 which does not work. The first : change has been committed and will appear in 4.5-RELEASE. The second : one probably can't be commited as is because wi_alloc is used by both : the PCI and PCCard attachments and you can't share interupts with PCCard : devices IIRC. You can now :-) However, it should be the bridge that desides this, and FreeBSD isn't what I'd call consistant about its policies in this area. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 17:24:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E14137B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g0P1O8Q17786; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:24:08 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: lopaka@ic.ucsb.edu, shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? Message-ID: <20020124172407.A16989@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124160808.A5572@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <3C50A9DC.7000508@ic.ucsb.edu> <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20020124.181450.42978266.imp@village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020124.181450.42978266.imp@village.org>; from imp@village.org on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:14:50PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:14:50PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> > Brooks Davis writes: > : I was actually refering to the WMP11 which does not work. The first > : change has been committed and will appear in 4.5-RELEASE. The second > : one probably can't be commited as is because wi_alloc is used by both > : the PCI and PCCard attachments and you can't share interupts with PCCard > : devices IIRC. >=20 > You can now :-) However, it should be the bridge that desides this, > and FreeBSD isn't what I'd call consistant about its policies in this > area. Cool! Should we consider making this change to wi? After all the fun of the 4.4 preleases I don't think we'd want to MFC before 4.5, but if you think this wouldn't hurt the PCCard attachment then making it seems like the right thing to do (at least until we fix things to the busses handle it.) -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD4DBQE8ULO1XY6L6fI4GtQRAuuSAJih1S55HkQUQy2N5MEtQ/HcSppdAKDeBIjM N84j7i/pvTMwAxxZO4HB1A== =UYky -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 17:43:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB3437B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P1hWl70440; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:43:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P1hQx62398; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:43:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:43:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.184312.111755022.imp@village.org> To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net Cc: lopaka@ic.ucsb.edu, shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020124172407.A16989@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> <20020124.181450.42978266.imp@village.org> <20020124172407.A16989@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020124172407.A16989@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> Brooks Davis writes: : On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:14:50PM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > In message: <20020124171207.A12033@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> : > Brooks Davis writes: : > : I was actually refering to the WMP11 which does not work. The first : > : change has been committed and will appear in 4.5-RELEASE. The second : > : one probably can't be commited as is because wi_alloc is used by both : > : the PCI and PCCard attachments and you can't share interupts with PCCard : > : devices IIRC. : > : > You can now :-) However, it should be the bridge that desides this, : > and FreeBSD isn't what I'd call consistant about its policies in this : > area. : : Cool! Should we consider making this change to wi? After all the fun : of the 4.4 preleases I don't think we'd want to MFC before 4.5, but if : you think this wouldn't hurt the PCCard attachment then making it seems : like the right thing to do (at least until we fix things to the busses : handle it.) Actually, I misspoke a little (I was speaking of -current, not -stable). So I don't think we should do this before 4.5. I see what you are saying. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 18:29:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE15137B41B for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3543 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 02:29:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO helios.dub.net) ([216.27.176.75]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jan 2002 02:29:27 -0000 Received: by helios.dub.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1BC10311B; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:29:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:29:27 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: murray@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! Message-ID: <20020125022926.GA53221@helios.dub.net> Reply-To: mij@soupnazi.org References: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 at 13:43:19 -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but > slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. I've > already posted a correction as part of the ensuing thread, but just a > heads-up in case you guys start getting questions about it. From > everything I can see, somebody recycled my 4.4 announcement or > something and the slashdot editors didn't even bother to verify it. > > Gack! I talked to hemos this afternoon and had the update posted. I think poor Timothy is inline for a beating for not verifying it :-) - jim -- jim mock http://soupnazi.org/ | jim@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 18:42:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE88737B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2BB782FC; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:12:25 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:12:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Martin Blapp Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 Message-ID: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020124184810.M47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020124184810.M47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thursday, 24 January 2002 at 19:14:10 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > I've solved my issues differently. But unfortunatly I'm not able to > recover from a simulated disk-crash. Here is what I made: Hmm. That's about half the information I need. Take a look at http://www.vinumvm.org/vinum/how-to-debug.html . You should be in a position to debug the crash better yourself. > # vinum start > Warning: defective objects > > D vinumdrive0 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB > D vinumdrive2 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB > D vinumdrive4 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB > P var.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 1023 > P docsis.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 6143 > P docsisvar.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 22 > S var.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 1023 > S docsis.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 6143 > S docsisvar.p0.s0 State: stale PO: 0 B Size: 22 > > where is p1 ??? Looks like it's up. These are only the defective objects. But obviously it hasn't found three of your spindles. > Then I tried to do: > > # echo "drive evar device /dev/da1e" >> configfile > # echo "drive edocsis device /dev/da1f" >> configfile > # echo "drive edocsisvar device /dev/da1g" >> configfile Why do you have three drives on the same spindle? > # vinum create configfile > > And boom I got a double fault. > > Strange thing is that I can vinum start, see the error messages, > and then can mount all this "mirrors" fine, but indead they are > not mirrors. It's just this disk which I can see. vinum list? Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 18:49:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A7637B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:49:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA84919; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:49:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:49:13 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: SXren Schmidt Cc: Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: <200201241954.g0OJsTq94418@freebsd.dk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, SXren Schmidt wrote: > > However, the warning message would be slightly reworded like "non-ATA66 > > compliant cable or second device" > > Good point, I'll get something done about this... Just as a note, it doesn't have to just be the cable or the second device, it can be either one or both or maybe the controller too. :-) I don't remember, but I might actually be using an 80-wire cable here on my box at work (as if it would matter with only an ATA33 controller): atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ad0: 19541MB [39703/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 ata0-slave: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 compliant cable ad1: 6149MB [12495/16/63] at ata0-slave UDMA33 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 afd0: 96MB [32/64/96] at ata1-slave using PIO0 ata0-master is actually the device that is capable of ATA66 (actually ATA100 I think). I think ata0-slave is only capable of ATA33, but I could be wrong. My system at home with an ATA100-capable drive on a PIIX4 controller doesn't mention anything about a non-compliant cable (though it really is an 80-wire cable, maybe that's why), but it is also the only thing on the bus (I use SCSI for everything else): atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 ad0: 39083MB [79408/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, and ARM architectures under development - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 18:58:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116DE37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA84957; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:58:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:58:18 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Lawrence Sica Cc: , Dmitry Morozovsky , , Dmitry Valdov , Bill Moran , Subject: Re: ATA driver feature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Lawrence Sica wrote: > > Yes, the way I've done the mode programming it is possible to have the > > two device run at different speeds (our competition cant do that). > > I didnt know that was possible, very cool :) Intel has been doing this for a while on their chipsets in Windows if you install the Intel Application Accelerator (a fancy name for their ATA driver package, once called the Intel UltraATA Driver before they renamed it). Definately a cool feature, but I try to keep the primary system drive on its own channel and stick the other stuff (usually just a CD-ROM drive and maybe a ZIP drive) on the second channel which alleviates the problem entirely. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, and ARM architectures under development - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 19:14:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cumin.apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE1337B41C for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:14:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from apnic.net (hadrian.apnic.net [202.12.29.249]) by cumin.apnic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0P39X3Z003735 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:09:34 +1000 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: longer range FreeBSD projects into stable In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:12:25 +1030." <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:14:22 +1000 Message-ID: <26356.1011928462@apnic.net> From: George Michaelson X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Like many stable watchers, I'd be very interested in somebody posting an occaisional 'whats coming in the next 6-18 months' about stuff like the new kqueue, SMP, devfs, smbfs, (ok some are now in, but you get the idea) I don't mean to ruin christmas, sometimes the suprise is nice too but some of the longer range stuff which is on chat or hackers or current is sometimes very interesting for -stable. Could some of the core and near affinities keep up what they already do every now and then, and feed us snippets? Do we retain any of the flavour of the odd/even number state BSD4.1 etc did in terms of stability/feature-add? It feels not, but sometimes I'm less sure. You could do worse than have a variant of -announce for this too. looking forward to 4.5 -what I read suggests it will be a nice release. cheers -George To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 20:21:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 491DC37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39481 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Jan 2002 04:21:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 04:21:50 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:21:50 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I missing something? Opinions welcome. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 20:34:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B4637B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16Ty4M-000IaV-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:30 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable ... Doesn't the kernel config documentation (LINT) explicitly state that the firewall option denies all traffic by default? I believe it also that a default accept option can be specified. Hasn't ipfw worked this was since it was included in FreeBSD? Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 20:35:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4621037B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0P4Ymw21284; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:34:48 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200201250434.g0P4Ymw21284@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: patrick@stealthgeeks.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:21:50 -0800 (PST) >From: Patrick Greenwell >I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my >kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable >this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the >firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in >/etc/defaults/rc.conf. >This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a >default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make >more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I >missing something? >Opinions welcome. Well, it seems reasonably well-documented to me: g1-7(4.5-RC)[1] grep -A6 IPFIREWALL_DEF /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT # IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT causes the default rule (at boot) to # allow everything. Use with care, if a cracker can crash your # firewall machine, they can get to your protected machines. However, # if you are using it as an as-needed filter for specific problems as # they arise, then this may be for you. Changing the default to 'allow' # means that you won't get stuck if the kernel and /sbin/ipfw binary get # out of sync. -- options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default options IPV6FIREWALL #firewall for IPv6 options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT #divert sockets options IPFILTER #ipfilter support g1-7(4.5-RC)[2] And from my perspective, defaulting to "deny" is what makes sense. The only peculiarity I see is that the "default deny" rule doesn't log, so I need to be sure and create my own rule that denies & logs -- not much of a concern, in the grand scheme of things. To achieve the effect you wished, changing the firewall_type in /etc/rc.conf to "open" would have probably worked a little better for you. Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org I believe it would be irresponsible (and thus, unethical) for me to advise, recommend, or support the use of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product for any purpose other than personal amusement. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 20:39:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C51D837B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:39:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39661 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Jan 2002 04:39:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 04:39:12 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:39:12 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: Tom Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020124203541.G39519-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Tom wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > ... > > Doesn't the kernel config documentation (LINT) explicitly state that the > firewall option denies all traffic by default? It sure does. But that's rather beside the point. To me if I see something in a config file that says "firewall_enable" and I set it to "no" I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that I don't want any firewalling. A default deny does not meet the criteria of "no firewall." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 20:46:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA62537B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 39722 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Jan 2002 04:46:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 04:46:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: David Wolfskill Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <200201250434.g0P4Ymw21284@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <20020124203931.Q39519-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Opinions welcome. > > Well, it seems reasonably well-documented to me: > > g1-7(4.5-RC)[1] grep -A6 IPFIREWALL_DEF /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT > # IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT causes the default rule (at boot) to > # allow everything. Use with care, if a cracker can crash your > # firewall machine, they can get to your protected machines. However, > # if you are using it as an as-needed filter for specific problems as > # they arise, then this may be for you. Changing the default to 'allow' > # means that you won't get stuck if the kernel and /sbin/ipfw binary get > # out of sync. > -- > options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default > options IPV6FIREWALL #firewall for IPv6 > options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE > options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 > options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > options IPDIVERT #divert sockets > options IPFILTER #ipfilter support > g1-7(4.5-RC)[2] > > > And from my perspective, defaulting to "deny" is what makes sense. I'm not disputing that a default deny makes sense when a firewall is enabled. What I find non-intuitive is that I have this "firewall_enable" knob to twiddle in the system config files, and it doesn't work. If I set it to "no" I still end up with a firewall set to default deny. In order to actually get no firewall, I have to set firewall_enable to "yes" and then set it to apply an "open" policy. It's not my intent to get into a pissing match, I just think that's somewhat bass ackwards(sic). /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 21:15:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hsd.com.au (CPE-144-132-42-44.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.42.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F4737B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel by hsd.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.1.R) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:14:50 +1100 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Cowan" To: "Patrick Greenwell" , "David Wolfskill" Cc: Subject: RE: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:14:50 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020124203931.Q39519-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: andrew.cowan@hsd.com.au X-MDRcpt-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree, "firewall_enable" doesn't enable or disable the firewall (kernel config) - it only specifies what firewall rules are applied. Calling it "firewall_policy" would make more sense (or making "firewall_enable" = No automatically apply the OPEN policy) Even though it is easy to remember after you have done it once, it is bad for user accessability. Just multiply it by 1,000 times and you can understand why windows is still used more than unix. ------------------------------------------- On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Opinions welcome. > > Well, it seems reasonably well-documented to me: > > g1-7(4.5-RC)[1] grep -A6 IPFIREWALL_DEF /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT > # IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT causes the default rule (at boot) to > # allow everything. Use with care, if a cracker can crash your > # firewall machine, they can get to your protected machines. However, > # if you are using it as an as-needed filter for specific problems as > # they arise, then this may be for you. Changing the default to 'allow' > # means that you won't get stuck if the kernel and /sbin/ipfw binary get > # out of sync. > -- > options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default > options IPV6FIREWALL #firewall for IPv6 > options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE > options IPV6FIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 > options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > options IPDIVERT #divert sockets > options IPFILTER #ipfilter support > g1-7(4.5-RC)[2] > > > And from my perspective, defaulting to "deny" is what makes sense. I'm not disputing that a default deny makes sense when a firewall is enabled. What I find non-intuitive is that I have this "firewall_enable" knob to twiddle in the system config files, and it doesn't work. If I set it to "no" I still end up with a firewall set to default deny. In order to actually get no firewall, I have to set firewall_enable to "yes" and then set it to apply an "open" policy. It's not my intent to get into a pissing match, I just think that's somewhat bass ackwards(sic). /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ /\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 22: 3:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF33637B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.139.214.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.139.214] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16TzSc-0003CO-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:03:42 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0P632l93958; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:03:02 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>; from patrick@stealthgeeks.net on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I > missing something? > > Opinions welcome. I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable sysctl(8). That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is fairly clear, firewall_enable (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules at startup. If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, the ipfw ker- nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 22: 4:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dream.mplik.ru (dream.mplik.ru [195.58.1.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA5937B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sight (sight.mplik.ru [195.58.27.104]) by dream.mplik.ru (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA46339; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:04:39 +0500 (YEKT) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:55:52 +0500 From: Sergey Gershtein X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Business Reply-To: Sergey Gershtein Organization: Ural Relcom Ltd X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <0863311696.20020125105552@ur.ru> To: Doug White Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[4]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <20020124131821.O5882-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> References: <20020124131821.O5882-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, January 25, 2002 you wrote: DW> On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: >> It's a rather heavily loaded web server (average of 25 requests/sec, >> 100kb/sec), so I guess it's a lot of network. Could you please point >> me to the right direction where to read about mbuf monitoring? I >> found some info in the Handbook (6.10 Tuning Kernel Limits), but there >> are not much unfortunately. DW> 'netstat -m', watch these lines: DW> 131/864/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): DW> 128/172/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) DW> You want to keep the second number about 80% of the third number. If it DW> gets too close bump the kernel tunables kern.mbufs and kern.nmbclusters DW> (or set options MBUFS and NMBCLUSTERS in the kernel config). Today the lock-up happened again during backup over nfs with no sign in any log files or on console. It was running 4.4-STABLE kernel cvsuped yesterday with MAXUSERS 128 and NMBCLUSTERS=8192... Any ideas on where to look? The strange thins is that we have another server with exactly the same hardware and amout of RAM which works fine. The only difference is that its kernel was compiled with MAXUSERS 1024 for some reason. Do I really need to bump MAXUSERS so high to handle more than 1Gb of RAM? Regards, Sergey Gershtein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 22:29:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-131.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31CF37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 39CF266B74; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:29:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:29:28 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: Doug White , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM Message-ID: <20020124222927.A59586@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020124131821.O5882-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> <0863311696.20020125105552@ur.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <0863311696.20020125105552@ur.ru>; from sg@ur.ru on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:55:52AM +0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:55:52AM +0500, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > Today the lock-up happened again during backup over nfs with no sign > in any log files or on console. It was running 4.4-STABLE kernel > cvsuped yesterday with MAXUSERS 128 and NMBCLUSTERS=3D8192... Any ideas > on where to look? >=20 > The strange thins is that we have another server with exactly the same > hardware and amout of RAM which works fine. The only difference is > that its kernel was compiled with MAXUSERS 1024 for some reason. Do I > really need to bump MAXUSERS so high to handle more than 1Gb of RAM? MAXUSERS=3D128 is pretty low for a 1GB machine. Try setting the value to '0' and letting it autoscale. Kris --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UPtHWry0BWjoQKURAiwtAJwOiFm64vXCytgIJ3rRl67ANbCcDACfTBNl Hz+gT9ns320b2uddxyBaUS8= =LEn+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y0ulUmNC+osPPQO6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Jan 24 23:12: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hsd.com.au (CPE-144-132-42-44.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.42.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C2D37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel by hsd.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.0.1.R) for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:10:20 +1100 Reply-To: From: "Andrew Cowan" To: "Crist J. Clark" , "Patrick Greenwell" Cc: Subject: RE: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:10:19 +1100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Return-Path: andrew.cowan@hsd.com.au X-MDRcpt-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to > remove the > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable > is set to NO in > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the > firewall, rather a > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, > wouldn't it make > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable > to 0, or am I > > missing something? > > > > Opinions welcome. > > I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the > firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable > sysctl(8). Sounds good - just print a big fat warning message when it does so :) > That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in > -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the > documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted > about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is > fairly clear, > > firewall_enable > (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules > at startup. > If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, > the ipfw ker- > nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. > > In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and > doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is > such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to > changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... > -- > Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu > | cjclark@jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 0: 4: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F07137B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [195.173.248.152] (helo=chain.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16U1L7-0001dk-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:04:01 +0000 Received: from chain.demon.nl (spitfire.chain.loc [192.168.0.2]) by chain.demon.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P83b700582 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:03:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sven@chain.demon.nl) Message-ID: <3C511158.5040006@chain.demon.nl> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:03:36 +0100 From: Sven Hazejager User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011221 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, thanks for all the responses. So the MA301GE + MA401GE combo should work out-of-the-box? Thanks, Sven Sven Hazejager wrote: >Hi guys, > >I'm looking at a PCI Wireless LAN solution. Security is not an issue (I'll >be running IPsec on it), but availability here in the Netherlands and of >course compatibility with FreeBSD 4-stable is. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 1:27:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D8437B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0P9Lsc11205; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:21:54 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:21:54 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125092154.U53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qRqofxetdBO9L27H" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>; from patrick@stealthgeeks.net on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --qRqofxetdBO9L27H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to= NO in > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. >=20 > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it ma= ke > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am= I > missing something? >=20 > Opinions welcome. I've got a hunch this needs to be a tri-state variable. YES -- Load the firewall rules NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel OFF -- Explicitly set net.inet.ip.fw.enable=3D0 or similar. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --qRqofxetdBO9L27H Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxRI7EACgkQk6gHZCw343XZ7gCghCxcHt3+HkhXOI2UyKhgXm7+ IFEAnA06hbRxvgsu4T/i3L3ejI431B7y =U9AP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qRqofxetdBO9L27H-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 1:27:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFD437B417; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0P9HSY11184; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:17:28 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:17:27 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: murray@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! Message-ID: <20020125091727.T53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org>; from jkh@winston.freebsd.org on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:43:19PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:43:19PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but > slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. =20 I know. I go away for two hours (Buffy > Slashdot) and look what happens :-) N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjxRIqcACgkQk6gHZCw343UldgCfZEtlg18XI80k6LCuIlu6bjms AnkAn20KEx7eVi9kKhDF3FboqQDg56C/ =rmNE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+tDoj9+U2XbkXuwv-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 1:35: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BD537B404; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:35:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=den2) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Red Hack)) id 16U2lG-0006X8-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:35:06 +1300 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:35:05 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time) From: Juha Saarinen To: Nik Clayton Cc: Patrick Greenwell , "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125092154.U53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: X-Message-Flag: "Please remember to trim your quotes." X-X-Sender: juha@vimfuego.saarinen.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Nik Clayton wrote: > I've got a hunch this needs to be a tri-state variable. > > YES -- Load the firewall rules > NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel DEFAULT > OFF -- Explicitly set net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0 > > or similar. > > N > -- Juha Take off every sig! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 1:36:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1B537B404; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (helo=den2) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Red Hack)) id 16U2n1-0006XI-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:36:55 +1300 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:36:55 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time) From: Juha Saarinen To: Nik Clayton Cc: Patrick Greenwell , "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Message-Flag: "Please remember to trim your quotes." X-X-Sender: juha@vimfuego.saarinen.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Juha Saarinen wrote: ... and pressed the send keys too damn soon... > > NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel > DEFAULT - as per compiled-in policy. -- Juha Take off every sig! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 1:51:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wearix.com (lorien.wearix.com [193.197.4.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1519137B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (ad96e1d2b.dsl.de.colt.net [217.110.29.43]) by mail.wearix.com (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386)) with SMTP id 9584E36AE for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:51:02 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Harald Schmalzbauer Organization: Wearix Software GmbH To: FreeBSD Stable Subject: A bit OT: was: Re: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:51:55 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> <20020124102415.B52483@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20020124102415.B52483@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020125095102.9584E36AE@mail.wearix.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2002 19:24 schrieb Kris Kennaway: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100, Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > I cvsuped some hours ago the ports tree, and all of a sudden the newly > > introduced XFree86 4.2.0 is backed out to the old 4.1.0 !! > > > > Why? > > Because there's a release happening in a minute. That brings me to one question: When the 4-CD set comes out, from what ports-tree were they compiled? Is it a collection of some weeks or will they be compiled just after the last RC? I'm interested because I can remember issues with dependencies, espesially with gnome stuff. And another interesting point: On what machines are thy compiled? I have only PIIs and this would take weeks! Thank you, - -Harry > > Kris - -- Wearix Software GmbH Unterhachinger Strasse 75 81737 München +49 89 548828-702 www.wearix.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8USq7EscxcIgkTHcRAqwbAKCBeGENXI5JpRJV3JpttG6c0qmCkACeLwgB djXwUfUTs3gn9LAbQ2ijSbQ= =5JDB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 2:38:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C0D37B400; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from levais.imp.ch (levais.imp.ch [157.161.4.66]) by mail.imp.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PAcVv08904; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:38:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:38:31 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Greg Lehey Cc: Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20020125111624.S47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Here is the config, before I exchanged da0 with a raw disk. # Vinum configuration of , saved at Fri Jan 25 09:44:32 2002 drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da0e drive vinumdrive1 device /dev/da1e drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da0f drive vinumdrive3 device /dev/da1f drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da0g drive vinumdrive5 device /dev/da1g volume var volume docsis volume docsisvar plex name var.p0 org concat vol var plex name var.p1 org concat vol var plex name docsis.p0 org concat vol docsis plex name docsis.p1 org concat vol docsis plex name docsisvar.p0 org concat vol docsisvar plex name docsisvar.p1 org concat vol docsisvar sd name var.p0.s0 drive vinumdrive0 plex var.p0 len 2096887s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name var.p1.s0 drive vinumdrive1 plex var.p1 len 2096887s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name docsis.p0.s0 drive vinumdrive2 plex docsis.p0 len 12582647s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name docsis.p1.s0 drive vinumdrive3 plex docsis.p1 len 12582647s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name docsisvar.p0.s0 drive vinumdrive4 plex docsisvar.p0 len 46515878s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s sd name docsisvar.p1.s0 drive vinumdrive5 plex docsisvar.p1 len 46515878s driveoffset 265s plexoffset 0s I guess I know what makes the trouble. To be able to boot ! from da0, which also has a root partition on it, I changed SCSI ID's, so my old da1 got da0. And vinum cannot deal with this. I really should be able to tell vinum that vinumdrive1 is indead vinumdrive2, since the device ordering has changed. But I really do not want to restore my root partition from backup, if I still have a working cold mirror. That is nonsense. > vinum list? eblcom# vinum list 3 drives: D vinumdrive1 State: up Device /dev/da0s1e Avail: 0/1024 MB D vinumdrive3 State: up Device /dev/da0s1f Avail: 0/6144 MB D vinumdrive5 State: up Device /dev/da0s1g Avail: 0/22712 MB D vinumdrive0 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB D vinumdrive2 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB D vinumdrive4 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB 3 volumes: V var State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 1023 MB V docsis State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 6143 MB V docsisvar State: up Plexes: 2 Size: 22 GB 6 plexes: P var.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 1023 MB P var.p1 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 1023 MB P docsis.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 6143 MB P docsis.p1 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 6143 MB P docsisvar.p0 C State: faulty Subdisks: 1 Size: 22 GB P docsisvar.p1 C State: up Subdisks: 1 Size: 22 GB 6 subdisks: S var.p0.s0 State: crashed PO: 0 B Size: 1023 MB S var.p1.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 1023 MB S docsis.p0.s0 State: crashed PO: 0 B Size: 6143 MB S docsis.p1.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 6143 MB S docsisvar.p0.s0 State: crashed PO: 0 B Size: 22 GB S docsisvar.p1.s0 State: up PO: 0 B Size: 22 GB It seems to me that reviveing the mirrors does not work as supposed. By the way. I found the command which made such problems: have a configfile like such: # cat /root/configfile drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da1e drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da1f drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da1g and execute vinum create /root/configfile twice ! makes STABLE 4.5RC3 crashing with a double fault. I guess we should fix that. I'm makeing now a debug kernel. If I try to take the configfile as described above, from the original creation, I get vinum hanging and get unkillable, or I get a segfault from vinum. (Both happened) Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 3:12:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from svan.it.uu.se (svan.it.uu.se [130.238.9.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501E337B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ertr1013@localhost) by svan.it.uu.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06935; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:12:25 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:12:25 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Harald Schmalzbauer Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: A bit OT: was: Re: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Message-ID: <20020125121225.A6930@student.uu.se> References: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> <20020124102415.B52483@xor.obsecurity.org> <20020125095102.9584E36AE@mail.wearix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020125095102.9584E36AE@mail.wearix.com>; from Harald.Schmalzbauer@wearix.com on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:51:55AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:51:55AM +0100, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2002 19:24 schrieb Kris Kennaway: > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:49PM +0100, Gunnar Flygt wrote: > > > I cvsuped some hours ago the ports tree, and all of a sudden the newly > > > introduced XFree86 4.2.0 is backed out to the old 4.1.0 !! > > > > > > Why? > > > > Because there's a release happening in a minute. > > That brings me to one question: When the 4-CD set comes out, from what > ports-tree were they compiled? Is it a collection of some weeks or will they > be compiled just after the last RC? I'm interested because I can remember > issues with dependencies, espesially with gnome stuff. > And another interesting point: On what machines are thy compiled? I have only > PIIs and this would take weeks! The ports tree was tagged for the upcoming release on Jan 22. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 3:15:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from musique.teaser.net (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06DA37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (nantes.kisoft-services.com [193.56.60.243]) by musique.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBBE7250F; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:15:20 +0100 (CET) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B3040E6BB5; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:14:37 +0100 (CET) To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: shazeja@cs.vu.nl, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? References: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20020124.165444.105374974.imp@village.org> From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <20020124.165444.105374974.imp@village.org> ("M. Warner Losh"'s message of "Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:54:44 -0700 (MST)") X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:14:35 +0100 Message-ID: <861ygewulg.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Warner" == M Warner Losh writes: Warner> My brother runs his Intel 2011 on his 4.5-RC VAIO without Warner> hassle. However, this is the pcmcia version, not the PCI Warner> version. Hello Warner, I was facing the same problem with the pcmcia card without the pci bridge. It seems I'm using an outdated cvsup mirror to feed mine (commits logged in cvs-all not appearing on my local cvsup server), just switched to cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org, I'll rebuild the world this WE and test next week (have to go to the main office to test). Eric -- Pour comprendre la suite, je collectionne les CD que je reçois d'un peu partout y compris ceux que je grille involontairement, tout cela pour me fabriquer une lampe qui diffuse par la tranche des CD empilés... -+- AB in Guide du Macounet Pervers : Bien Recycler ses CD AOL -+- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 3:49:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7776337B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PBn7i47675 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:07 GMT (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PBnZH66919 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:36 GMT (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RELENG_4_4 src/UPDATING doesn't have comments for -p3 and -p4 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:35 +0000 Message-ID: <66917.1011959375@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In RELENG_4_4, src/sys/conf/newvers.sh says that it it "-p4", but src/UPDATING only has comments for -p1 (FreeBSD-SA-01:63.openssh) and -p2 (FreeBSD-SA-02:02.pw). -p3 is presumably FreeBSD-SA-02:07.k5su, and -p4 is the new FreeBSD-SA-02:08.exec Nick Barnes Ravenbrook Limited To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 4:34: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442FB37B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:33:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PCXoA79039; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:33:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:33:50 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: Miguel Mendez Cc: Jared Chenkin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world fails ? Message-ID: <20020125073350.A79005@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020124104610.A89225@voyager.bxscience.edu> <20020124172045.BDCC63FC05@energyhq.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020124172045.BDCC63FC05@energyhq.homeip.net>; from flynn@energyhq.homeip.net on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:20:18PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please search the FAQ for the answer to this exact question. On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 06:20:18PM +0100, Miguel Mendez wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2002 16:46, Jared Chenkin wrote: > > CVSup'ed this morning at about 9:00 and make world gave this : > > Jared, don't quote me on this, but IIRC you can't upgrade a 3.x box to 4.5 in > one step, you must first update to 4.1-STABLE, so how are you doing it, did > you cvsup to 4.1? > > Cheers, > > -- > Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net > EnergyHQ :: http://energyhq.homeip.net > FreeBSD - The power to serve! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org my FreeBSD column: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 4:34:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8C137B417 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PCYkK79059; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:34:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:34:46 -0500 From: Michael Lucas To: George Michaelson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer range FreeBSD projects into stable Message-ID: <20020125073446.B79005@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <26356.1011928462@apnic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <26356.1011928462@apnic.net>; from ggm@apnic.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:14:22PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You could check the FreeBSD Status Reports, mailed bimonthly to -hackers. It contains information on a lot of projects. On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:14:22PM +1000, George Michaelson wrote: > > Like many stable watchers, I'd be very interested in somebody posting > an occaisional 'whats coming in the next 6-18 months' about stuff like > the new kqueue, SMP, devfs, smbfs, (ok some are now in, but you get the idea) > > I don't mean to ruin christmas, sometimes the suprise is nice too but > some of the longer range stuff which is on chat or hackers or current > is sometimes very interesting for -stable. > > Could some of the core and near affinities keep up what they already > do every now and then, and feed us snippets? > > Do we retain any of the flavour of the odd/even number state BSD4.1 etc did > in terms of stability/feature-add? It feels not, but sometimes I'm less sure. > > You could do worse than have a variant of -announce for this too. > > looking forward to 4.5 -what I read suggests it will be a nice release. > > cheers > -George > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org my FreeBSD column: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 4:59:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2EC37B400; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 04:59:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from levais.imp.ch (levais.imp.ch [157.161.4.66]) by mail.imp.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PCxXv37958; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:59:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:59:32 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Greg Lehey Cc: Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20020125134718.I58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've found now a way to work around this vinum limitation. It seems that a vinum mirror is not able to handle this case: Crash of the "Master disk", "Slave Disk becomes Master instead, and we boot the Slave Disk as Master. I had to do the following steps: 1) Reboot 1) Change SCSI ID's. ID1 > ID2, ID2 > ID1 3) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM 4) Partition da1 the same as da0 5) Disklabel da1 the same way as da0 6) dd bs=4096k if=/dev/da0a of=/dev/da1a 7) reboot 8) Change SCSI ID's. ID2 > ID1, ID1 > ID2 9) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM 10) echo "drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da0e" > configfile echo "drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da0f" >> configfile echo "drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da0g" >> configfile 11) vinum start 12) vinum start vinumdrive0 13) vinum start vinumdrive2 14) vinum start vinumdrive4 15) vinum stop 16) vinum start var.p0.s0 17) vinum start docsis.p0.s0 18) vinum start docsisvar.p0.s0 And then vinum gets happy and rebuilds. The only difference here is that we have to reboot and change SCSI ID's twice, instead of only one time. Martin Martin Blapp, ------------------------------------------------------------------ Improware AG, UNIX solution and service provider Zurlindenstrasse 29, 4133 Pratteln, Switzerland Phone: +41 061 826 93 00: +41 61 826 93 01 PGP Fingerprint: B434 53FC C87C FE7B 0A18 B84C 8686 EF22 D300 551E ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 5:34:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC4037B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:34:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from schulte-laptop.schulte.org (nb-65.netbriefings.com [209.134.134.65]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312F924411; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:34:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020125073305.01ad7428@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: schulte@pop3s.schulte.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:33:40 -0600 To: Nick Barnes , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: RELENG_4_4 src/UPDATING doesn't have comments for -p3 and -p4 Cc: imp@village.org In-Reply-To: <66917.1011959375@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 11:49 AM 1/25/2002 +0000, Nick Barnes wrote: >In RELENG_4_4, src/sys/conf/newvers.sh says that it it "-p4", but >src/UPDATING only has comments for -p1 (FreeBSD-SA-01:63.openssh) and >-p2 (FreeBSD-SA-02:02.pw). > >-p3 is presumably FreeBSD-SA-02:07.k5su, and -p4 is the new >FreeBSD-SA-02:08.exec Did you also tell imp@village.org? He maintains that file. >Nick Barnes >Ravenbrook Limited --Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 5:35: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B40137B402; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:35:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] helo=dogma) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 16U6VJ-000CKz-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:34:53 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma (8.11.4/8.11.1) id g0PDYqT76209; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:34:52 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:34:52 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: Justin White Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? Message-ID: <20020125133452.A76185@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20020124173745.A69326@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <8CF30AE8-1147-11D6-876A-000393092F82@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <8CF30AE8-1147-11D6-876A-000393092F82@mac.com>; from justinfinity@mac.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:56:45PM -0500 X-Scanner: exiscan *16U6VJ-000CKz-00*vv8xQmlPhLc* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG | you don't have to wait till 4.6 to at least upgrade. if your current | kernel has been fine for a while,get rid of /kernel.old and /modules.old | and /etc.old if they exist, let installworld make new ones. if the new I didn't know there was an /etc.old. If that's the case, I might try an upgrade via cvs. jm -- "Marquis de Sod Lawn Maintenance" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 5:47:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shikima.mine.nu (pc1-card4-0-cust77.cdf.cable.ntl.com [62.252.49.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4706A37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rasputin by shikima.mine.nu with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16U6fv-0001FJ-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:45:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:45:51 +0000 From: Rasputin To: j mckitrick Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ETA for 4.6? Message-ID: <20020125134551.A4767@shikima.mine.nu> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <20020124173745.A69326@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <8CF30AE8-1147-11D6-876A-000393092F82@mac.com> <20020125133452.A76185@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020125133452.A76185@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:34:52PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * j mckitrick [020125 13:40]: > | you don't have to wait till 4.6 to at least upgrade. if your current > | kernel has been fine for a while,get rid of /kernel.old and /modules.old > | and /etc.old if they exist, let installworld make new ones. if the new > > I didn't know there was an /etc.old. If that's the case, I might try an > upgrade via cvs. The build process doesn't create one automatically - but generally, it's a good idea to cp -Rp /etc/ /etc.old (or to /var/tmp/etc.monday, whatever) before doing a mergemaster. -- Pretend to spank me -- I'm a pseudo-masochist! Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 5:52:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from proverbs.outreachnetworks.com (proverbs.outreachnetworks.com [65.196.249.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A29137B423 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 73337 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 13:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO phoncella.outreachnetworks.com) (64.108.58.96) by proverbs.outreachnetworks.com with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 13:52:43 -0000 Received: (from elh@localhost) by phoncella.outreachnetworks.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PDqjT06502 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:52:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: phoncella.outreachnetworks.com: elh set sender to elh@outreachnetworks.com using -f Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:52:45 -0500 From: "Eric L. Howard" To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125085245.B5040@outreachnetworks.com> Mail-Followup-To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org>; from cjc@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:03:02PM -0800 Favorite-Scripture: Romans 8:18 Theocratic-Rule-Advocate: http://www.crossmovement.com Registered-Secret-Agent: Agent Double-Naught Seven Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At a certain time, now past, Crist J. Clark spake thusly: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I > > missing something? > > > > Opinions welcome. > > I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the > firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable > sysctl(8). > > That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in > -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the > documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted > about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is > fairly clear, > > firewall_enable > (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules at startup. > If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, the ipfw ker- > nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. > > In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and > doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is > such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to > changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... Agreed, and since it is _explicitly_ stated that "YES" loads firewall rules at start-up, the _implicit_ assumption (good or bad [bad for Patrick in this case] when that section of rc.conf(5) is read) is that if I set "NO" then no firewall rules will be loaded at startup (I think we agree here). Kinda like Cisco ACLs...not shown, but we all know there's an implicit deny at the bottom that doesn't log info... I think the three pronged approach in the other sub-thread is a good idea to introduce into to -CURRENT...at the same time, what would it take to fixup the manpages in -STABLE with an explicit statement of what "NO" does? ~elh -- Eric L. Howard e l h @ o u t r e a c h n e t w o r k s . c o m ------------------------------------------------------------------------ www.OutreachNetworks.com 313.297.9900 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Advocate of the Theocratic Rule To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 5:53:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (veldy-host33.dsl.visi.com [209.98.200.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E4237B416; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 05:53:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from HP2500B (localhost.veldy.net [127.0.0.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D0F31A193; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:53:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Crist J. Clark" , "Patrick Greenwell" Cc: References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:51:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It works as expected using the GENERIC kernel. It only works the way complained about when you build your own custom kernel with IPFIREWALL and not with IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT. At that point, I think the admin needs to educate one self. I prefer to leave it as is, as it errs on the side of safety. There is a message to this respect right in the LINT configuration file. # WARNING: IPFIREWALL defaults to a policy of "deny ip from any to any" # and if you do not add other rules during startup to allow access, # YOU WILL LOCK YOURSELF OUT. It is suggested that you set firewall_type=open # in /etc/rc.conf when first enabling this feature, then refining the # firewall rules in /etc/rc.firewall after you've tested that the new kernel # feature works properly. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Patrick Greenwell" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I > > missing something? > > > > Opinions welcome. > > I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the > firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable > sysctl(8). > > That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in > -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the > documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted > about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is > fairly clear, > > firewall_enable > (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules at startup. > If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, the ipfw ker- > nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. > > In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and > doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is > such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to > changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... > -- > Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu > | cjclark@jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 6:14:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2A437B402; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from levais.imp.ch (levais.imp.ch [157.161.4.66]) by mail.imp.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PEEbv54375; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:14:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:14:37 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Greg Lehey Cc: Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20020125151124.O58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg, Does this look reasonable now ? (I Included my workaround for the vinum double fault panic problem.) REFERENCE: SUM = Single user mode MUM = Multi user mode If the disk with ID 1 crashes: ------------------------------ 1) Reboot 2) Change SCSI ID's. ID1 > ID2, ID2 > ID1 3) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM 4) Partition da1 the same as da0, set bootblock 5) Copy the disklabel of da0: $ disklabel /dev/da0c > label.txt $ disklabel -e /dev/da1c :r label.txt :s/da0/da1/g Save lable 6) $ dd bs=4096k if=/dev/da0a of=/dev/da1a 7) reboot 8) Change SCSI ID's. ID2 > ID1, ID1 > ID2 9) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM 10) $ disklabel -e /dev/da0c :s/da1/da0/g Save lable 11) $ echo "drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da0e" >> configfile $ echo "drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da0f" >> configfile $ echo "drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da0g" >> configfile $ vinum create configfile 12) $ vinum start vinumdrive0 $ vinum start vinumdrive2 $ vinum start vinumdrive4 13) $ vinum stop 14) $ vinum start var.p0.s0 15) $ vinum start docsis.p0.s0 16) $ vinum start docsisvar.p0.s0 17) boot into MUM 18) Ready If the disk with ID 2 crashes: ------------------------------ 1) Cut old disk from powercable 2) $ camcontrol rescan all 3) Replace old disk, set again SCSI ID 2, plug powercable again 4) $ camcontrol rescan all 5) Partition of disk da1, set bootblock 6) Copy the disklabel of da0: $ disklabel /dev/da0c > label.txt $ disklabel -e /dev/da1c :r label.txt :s/da0/da1/g Save lable 7) Restore root partition: $ newfs /dev/da1a $ mount /dev/da1a /mnt $ cd /mnt && dump -rf 0 /dev/da0a -f - | restore -xf - $ rm /mnt/restoresytable $ umount /mnt 8) $ echo "drive vinumdrive1 device /dev/da1e" >> configfile $ echo "drive vinumdrive3 device /dev/da1f" >> configfile $ echo "drive vinumdrive5 device /dev/da1g" >> configfile $ vinum create configfile 9) $ vinum start vinumdrive1 $ vinum start vinumdrive3 $ vinum start vinumdrive5 10) $ boot into SUM ($ init 1) $ unmount all vinum devices $ vinum stop $ vinum start $ vinum start var.p1.s1 $ vinum start docsis.p1.s1 $ vinum start docsisvar.p1.s1 11) boot into MUM 12) Ready Martin Blapp, ------------------------------------------------------------------ Improware AG, UNIX solution and service provider Zurlindenstrasse 29, 4133 Pratteln, Switzerland Phone: +41 061 826 93 00: +41 61 826 93 01 PGP Fingerprint: B434 53FC C87C FE7B 0A18 B84C 8686 EF22 D300 551E ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 6:28:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E50E37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16U7L5-0006Dq-00 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:28:23 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.intra, from userid 500) id F2F2C458D0; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:28:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:28:22 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gosh, how NICE to see that Slashdot has released FreeBSD 4.5! Message-ID: <20020125142822.GA2979@raggedclown.net> References: <60727.1011908599@winston.freebsd.org> <20020125091727.T53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020125091727.T53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 09:17:27AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:43:19PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Not only am I quoted as somehow having announced it (EH?), but > > slashdot has just announced the availability of FreeBSD 4.5. > > I know. I go away for two hours (Buffy > Slashdot) and look what > happens :-) > Recently submitted to Slashdot.. "A recent survey in Western Europe shows that installations, both private and corporate, of Open Source Operating Systems in 2001 exceeded those of Microsoft's for the first time. The market share enjoyed by systems such as FreeBSD Release 7NT, and LinuxXP exceeded 50% while Microsoft's dropped to a mere 35%. CP/M in a dramatic comeback, after years in the backwater, accounts for most of the other 15%". -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 6:32:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from compugenx.com (cd-191-175.ra30.dc.capu.net [64.50.191.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5366E37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from snort ([64.50.191.175]) by compugenx.com ( IA Mail Server Version: 3.2.4. Build: 1096 ) ) ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:38:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mike Poor Reply-To: p00r0ne@digitz.org Organization: Digitz.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: login_tty /dev/console resolution? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:14:59 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012509145900.02892@snort> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed 4.4 on a box, and am getting these error messages printed out to the screen every 30 seconds or so. I did notice a post with this same problem in 2001, but I could not find a resolution to his problem on the list. The message is as follows: date host getty[pid]: login_tty /dev/console : Operation Not supported by device If someone could help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it ;) TIA, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 6:32:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from compugenx.com (cd-191-175.ra30.dc.capu.net [64.50.191.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AB1337B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from snort ([64.50.191.175]) by compugenx.com ( IA Mail Server Version: 3.2.4. Build: 1096 ) ) ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:38:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mike Poor Reply-To: p00r0ne@digitz.org Organization: Digitz.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: login_tty /dev/console resolution? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:27:13 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <02012509271300.01142@snort> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just installed 4.4 on a box, and am getting these error messages printed out to the screen every 30 seconds or so. I did notice a post with this same problem in 2001, but I could not find a resolution to his problem on the list. The message is as follows: date host getty[pid]: login_tty /dev/console : Operation Not supported by device If someone could help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it ;) TIA, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 7:51:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-4.ig.com.br (smtp-4.ig.com.br [200.226.132.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ADEE37B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 15474 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2002 15:51:11 -0000 Received: from 200-206-166-221.dsl.telesp.net.br (HELO servidor) (200.206.166.221) by smtp-4.ig.com.br with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:51:11 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c1a5b8$1df7f740$0700a8c0@servidor> From: "Agressor" To: Subject: Subscribe Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:51:12 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:14: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [129.83.20.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69D837B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PGDx828872 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PGDwk22298 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 9033960; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:13:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:13:56 -0500 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple Promise controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Has anyone managed to get multiple Promise controllers (like the Ultra100Tx2) working in a machine? Anything more than 2 controllers and the additional controllers seem to refuse to do anything other than PIO4 (although they detect at UDMA100). The cards appear fine (if I swap cards, it's always the last one that fails). Rearranging the cards in the PCI slots does no good. Promise Technologies was remarkably unhelpful stating that they only support 1 Promise controller in a system. Does anybody on this list have any experiance getting 3 or more promise controllers working? I remember seeing a flag in Linux for some sort of "burst" mode, but I havn't been able to find anything similar in FreeBSD. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:27:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mikea.ath.cx (okc-65-30-192-11.mmcable.com [65.30.192.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD2D37B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mikea@localhost) by mikea.ath.cx (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0PGOlO18879; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mikea) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 From: mikea To: Jason Andresen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers Message-ID: <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org>; from jandrese@mitre.org on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 11:13:56AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 11:13:56AM -0500, Jason Andresen wrote: > Has anyone managed to get multiple Promise controllers (like the > Ultra100Tx2) working in a machine? Anything more than 2 controllers > and the additional controllers seem to refuse to do anything other than > PIO4 (although they detect at UDMA100). The cards appear fine (if > I swap cards, it's always the last one that fails). Rearranging > the cards in the PCI slots does no good. Promise Technologies was > remarkably unhelpful stating that they only support 1 Promise > controller in a system. Does anybody on this list have any experiance > getting 3 or more promise controllers working? I remember seeing a > flag in Linux for some sort of "burst" mode, but I havn't been able > to find anything similar in FreeBSD. I think that the key sentence in your post is this: > Promise Technologies > ... stating that they only support 1 Promise > controller in a system. If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do you have for thinking it possible to use two? -- Mike Andrews mikea@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin since 1964 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:48:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from newman.ucs.mun.ca (newman.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C610B37B404; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.2.151]) by newman.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0PGlvob011003; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:17:57 -0330 (NST) Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (pdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0PGlvtX005620; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:17:57 -0330 (NST) Received: (from pdf@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g0PGlt76013243; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:17:55 -0330 (NST) From: Paul David Fardy Message-Id: <200201251647.g0PGlt76013243@plato.ucs.mun.ca> To: Nik Clayton Date: Fri Jan 25, 2002 05:51:54 AM America/St_Johns Cc: Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: >> ... made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable this >> functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove >> the firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable >> is set to NO in /etc/defaults/rc.conf. >> >> This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, >> rather a default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, >> wouldn't it make more sense to have the init scripts set >> net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I missing something? Nik Clayton wrote: >> I've got a hunch this needs to be a tri-state variable. >> >> YES -- Load the firewall rules >> NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel >> OFF -- Explicitly set net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0 >> >> or similar. Is there a precedent for such tri-state variables in the conf files? It seems to me that "foo_enable" should be strictly "yes/no". I think I've learned to read "foo_enable" as "Enable foo?" which seems a good thing to me (intuitive--in a non-Raskinian way :-). I suppose that accepting "DEFAULT" might be considered a precedent. But that's not really tri-state: that's defering the value to a second bi-state variable. "DEFAULT=; foo_enable=DEFAULT" Would it not be better to have a second "enable" variable? firewall_enable="NO" # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality # Set to DEFAULT to defer to kernel firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall" # Which script to run to set up the firewall firewall_script_enable="YES" # Run ${firewall_script} (or NO) It breaks backward compatibility, but is the broken case useful? I notice that the useful warning "Warning: kernel has firewall functionality, but firewall rules are not enabled. All ip services are disabled." is printed by /etc/rc.network, but only if ${firewall_enable}=YES. It might be (or have been) beneficial to pull that out one or two conditional branches. Paul Fardy / -- PS It appears that one of mac.com's mail servers isn't listed in the reverse DNS and hub.freebsd.org rejects my mail. I've sent e-mail to postmaster@mac.com and hostmaster@apple.com. But, as postmaster for a university, I'm wondering how well these specific mailer rules on hub.freebsd.org have been working. How rare is my problem and how effective is this ruleset in fighting junk mail? -- just curious To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:49:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7633E37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.188.158]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0PGnNu02271 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0PGnbl63959; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:49:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from lowell) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longer range FreeBSD projects into stable References: Date: 25 Jan 2002 11:49:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org's message of "25 Jan 2002 20:35:18 +0800" Message-ID: <44665q1ila.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 7 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) writes: > You could check the FreeBSD Status Reports, mailed bimonthly to > -hackers. It contains information on a lot of projects. http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/status.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:54:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C7A37B41B; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (marck@localhost) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PGrnF29312; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:53:55 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:53:49 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: David McNett Cc: Petar Forai , , Subject: Re: 4.5/SMP clock drifting In-Reply-To: <20020123225433.GA63096@dazed.slacker.com> Message-ID: <20020125195231.U69684-100000@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, David McNett wrote: DM> You should instead look at using ntpd (it's in the base install) which DM> will accurately track and account for the hardware drift unlike your DM> ntpdate solution. DM> DM> Set up an /etc/ntp.conf file with: DM> DM> server timeserver1.domain.com DM> server timeserver2.otherdomain.com DM> DM> driftfile /var/run/ntpd.drift Hmm, I think then driftfile will be removed on every reboot, which is not very useful. So, I create it at /var/spool/ntp.drift for our machines Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, DM268-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 8:56:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4BC37B41C; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06578; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:55:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PGtmc43844; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:55:48 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15441.36372.572274.479242@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:55:48 -0700 To: Nik Clayton Cc: Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125092154.U53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020125092154.U53456@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I > > missing something? > > > > Opinions welcome. > > I've got a hunch this needs to be a tri-state variable. > > YES -- Load the firewall rules > NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel > OFF -- Explicitly set net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0 Can you ever think of where 'NO' != 'OFF'. In the case of a wide-open firewall, 'NO' == 'OFF' gives the same functionality, and in the case of the default firewall setup (everything filtered), the computer can't be used for anything, so I'd consider it a mistake to enable the firewall with no rules *AND* have the network connections enabled. I think 'YES' and 'NO' would be fine. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 10:35:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [129.83.20.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511DC37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIZc827936; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:35:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PIZbk27889; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 9036766; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:35:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3C51A576.1C6F2DB6@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:35:34 -0500 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mikea Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mikea wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 11:13:56AM -0500, Jason Andresen wrote: > > Has anyone managed to get multiple Promise controllers (like the > > Ultra100Tx2) working in a machine? Anything more than 2 controllers > > and the additional controllers seem to refuse to do anything other than > > PIO4 (although they detect at UDMA100). The cards appear fine (if > > I swap cards, it's always the last one that fails). Rearranging > > the cards in the PCI slots does no good. Promise Technologies was > > remarkably unhelpful stating that they only support 1 Promise > > controller in a system. Does anybody on this list have any experiance > > getting 3 or more promise controllers working? I remember seeing a > > flag in Linux for some sort of "burst" mode, but I havn't been able > > to find anything similar in FreeBSD. > > I think that the key sentence in your post is this: > > > Promise Technologies > > ... stating that they only support 1 Promise > > controller in a system. > > If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only > support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do > you have for thinking it possible to use two? Strangely, 2 work. Also, Linux has some sort of hack for getting 3+ working. I'm also severly disappointed in Promise, their website has no mention whatsoever about this kind of limitation in their cards. It wasn't until I called their tech support that they told me they don't support it. Otherwise, this is mostly a despiration move. -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 10:40:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from paperbox.gvpl.ca (paperbox.gvpl.ca [199.60.107.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FD437B416; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:40:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by paperbox.gvpl.ca (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0PIe6r37069; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:40:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scampbel@gvpl.ca) Received: from pochta.gvpl.victoria.bc.ca(199.60.106.7) by paperbox.gvpl.ca via smap (V2.1/2.1+anti-relay+anti-spam) id xma036838; Fri, 25 Jan 02 10:39:08 -0800 Received: from localhost (scampbel@localhost) by pochta.gvpl.victoria.bc.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PIdBK42154; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scampbel@gvpl.ca) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Campbell X-X-Sender: To: Nate Williams Cc: Nik Clayton , Patrick Greenwell , Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <15441.36372.572274.479242@caddis.yogotech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Nate Williams wrote: > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove the > > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set to NO in > > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather a > > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it make > > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or am I > > > missing something? > > > > > > Opinions welcome. > > > > I've got a hunch this needs to be a tri-state variable. > > > > YES -- Load the firewall rules > > NO -- Do nothing, default policy is compiled in to the kernel > > OFF -- Explicitly set net.inet.ip.fw.enable=0 > > Can you ever think of where 'NO' != 'OFF'. > > In the case of a wide-open firewall, 'NO' == 'OFF' gives the same > functionality, and in the case of the default firewall setup (everything > filtered), the computer can't be used for anything, so I'd consider it a > mistake to enable the firewall with no rules *AND* have the network > connections enabled. > > I think 'YES' and 'NO' would be fine. Do we NEED the "firewall_enable" in rc.conf? Since we are enabling it in the kernel then we don't really have the option to enable/disable like other stuff (sendmail,sshd...) in rc.conf. Remove "firewall_enable" from rc.conf and then note in rc.conf that "firewall_type" must be used to change the behaviour of ipfw if ipfw has been enable in the kernel. And in /etc/defaults/rc.conf have "firewall_type="closed". I am probably missing something so please feel free to enlighten. Scott E. Campbell _______________________________ Computer Operations Greater Victoria Public Library Victoria BC CANADA scampbel@gvpl.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 11:17: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web4.thecenturiongroup.com (112.mujb.nyrk.nycenycp.dsl.att.net [12.98.137.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3362C37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ix1x1000 (ix1x1000.thecenturiongroup.com [192.32.248.52]) by web4.thecenturiongroup.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9749C7C006 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008a01c1a5d4$458071e0$34f820c0@ix1x1000> From: "Michael Meltzer" To: Subject: Can 4.5 take 6gb ram Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:12:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1A5AA.5C99A100" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1A5AA.5C99A100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am building a new NFS server. Looks like I be using the Intel SCB2 = mother board (serverworks HE-SL chipset) that can take up to 6gb of ram, = I know their were some issues with 4gb ram, what about 6 gb :-) (I know = I am over 32 bit pointer, ints here). I know this is pushing it for memory but I can of like the idea of = having all the cache :-) Kind of like a backing store ram disk :-) BTW using mylex 2000 (with external raid controlers on top) and gigabit = Ethernet on separate pci buses to feed it. This system is moves allot of = data. MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1A5AA.5C99A100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am building a new NFS server. Looks = like I be=20 using the Intel SCB2 mother board (serverworks HE-SL = chipset) that can=20 take up to 6gb of ram, I know their were some issues with 4gb ram, what = about 6=20 gb :-) (I know I am over 32 bit pointer, ints here).
 
I know this is pushing it for memory = but I can of=20 like the idea of having all the cache :-) Kind of like a backing = store ram=20 disk :-)
 
BTW using mylex 2000 (with external = raid controlers=20 on top) and gigabit Ethernet on separate pci buses to feed it. This = system is=20 moves allot of data.
 
MJM
------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C1A5AA.5C99A100-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 11:19: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gank.org (nat06660.owentools.com [206.50.138.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C73037B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from owen1492.it.oot (unknown [206.50.138.227]) by mail.gank.org (GankMail) with ESMTP id C7B1C62B3 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:18:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:18:59 -0600 (CST) From: Craig Boston Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: INLINE References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> In-Reply-To: <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> X-Mailer: Mahogany, 0.63 'Saugus', compiled for FreeBSD 4.4-RC i386 Reply-To: craig@meoqu.gank.org Message-Id: <20020125191859.C7B1C62B3@mail.gank.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 mikea wrote: > If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only > support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do > you have for thinking it possible to use two? I use two with no problem on 4.4-STABLE: atapci1: port 0xff60-0xff6f,0xff88-0xff8b,0xff80-0xff87,0xff8c-0xff8f,0xffa0-0xffa7 mem 0xffbe4000-0xffbe7fff irq 5 at device 17.0 on pci0 ata2: at 0xffa0 on atapci1 ata3: at 0xff80 on atapci1 atapci2: port 0xff90-0xff9f,0xffe0-0xffe3,0xffa8-0xffaf,0xffe4-0xffe7,0xfff0-0xfff7 mem 0xffbec000-0xffbeffff irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 ata4: at 0xfff0 on atapci2 ata5: at 0xffa8 on atapci2 ad4: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 ad6: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA100 ad8: 19092MB [38792/16/63] at ata4-master UDMA100 ... etc etc ... I don't know why they are saying they don't support two in a machine -- the on-card BIOS is even nice enough to only run once and it shows all eight possible devices in the same screen together! :) Never tried 3, though. I don't remember seeing anything in the manual about multiple controllers. Maybe that's just something their tech support people say... I have also had success using multiple SIIG-brand ATA controllers. Despite previous bad experiences with some of their (admittedly the cheapest in the store :) hardware, I've had good luck with their IDE stuff. I don't remember exactly which chip it uses; the machine I have them in is at home and powered off at the moment. YMMV. Craig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 12: 8:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A28837B41C; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14115; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PK8Tt44976; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:08:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15441.47932.965247.35587@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:08:28 -0700 To: Scott Campbell Cc: Nate Williams , Nik Clayton , Patrick Greenwell , Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: References: <15441.36372.572274.479242@caddis.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ SNIP ] > Do we NEED the "firewall_enable" in rc.conf? Since we are enabling it in > the kernel then we don't really have the option to enable/disable like > other stuff (sendmail,sshd...) in rc.conf. Not everyone compiles it statically into their kernel. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 12:12:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73EB37B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g0PJxgt68044; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:59:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dg) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:59:42 -0800 From: David Greenman To: Michael Meltzer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can 4.5 take 6gb ram Message-ID: <20020125115942.F67365@nexus.root.com> References: <008a01c1a5d4$458071e0$34f820c0@ix1x1000> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <008a01c1a5d4$458071e0$34f820c0@ix1x1000>; from mjm@michaelmeltzer.com on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:12:45PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I am building a new NFS server. Looks like I be using the Intel SCB2 mother board (serverworks HE-SL chipset) that can take up to 6gb of ram, I know their were some issues with 4gb ram, what about 6 gb :-) (I know I am over 32 bit pointer, ints here). > >I know this is pushing it for memory but I can of like the idea of having all the cache :-) Kind of like a backing store ram disk :-) > >BTW using mylex 2000 (with external raid controlers on top) and gigabit Ethernet on separate pci buses to feed it. This system is moves allot of data. > No, FreeBSD will only use 4GB of RAM maximum. Doing more than that requires major changes to the VM system. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com President, Download Technologies, Inc. - http://www.downloadtech.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 12:48:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1295A37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 50ADD4B65D; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:48:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:48:34 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: About tags and such.. Message-ID: <20020125204834.GI5153@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The RELENG_4_5 branch has been created for the upcoming FreeBSD 4.5 release. This doesn't mean the release is ready yet, though. This branch will be tagged RELENG_4_5_0_RELEASE within the next 36 hours but even then the tags may have to be "slid" if a critical problem is discovered. A message will be sent to announce@ as soon as the bits are ready. FreeBSD 4.5 isn't "official" until that time. Thanks for your patience. - Murray --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8UcShtNcQog5FH30RAnxeAJ94DXAOQ4coQd+ZSuxgRE7aGddx4wCfbzM6 X3QD7rY8nyuTZ1J7m2ULEwA= =CYaD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hQiwHBbRI9kgIhsi-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 13:18:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (smtpproxy2.mitre.org [128.29.154.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ACF37B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PLI6c01845; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PLHwi25765; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 9040099; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:17:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3C51CB7A.8E23CD60@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:17:46 -0500 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craig@meoqu.gank.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> <20020125191859.C7B1C62B3@mail.gank.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Craig Boston wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 mikea wrote: > > > If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only > > support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do > > you have for thinking it possible to use two? > > I use two with no problem on 4.4-STABLE: So am I. It's when I add the third one that problems occur. > I don't know why they are saying they don't support two in a machine -- the > on-card BIOS is even nice enough to only run once and it shows all eight > possible devices in the same screen together! :) Never tried 3, though. I noticed this too. Although if you add a third card it's bios won't show up in the boot sequence at all. > I have also had success using multiple SIIG-brand ATA controllers. Despite > previous bad experiences with some of their (admittedly the cheapest in the > store :) hardware, I've had good luck with their IDE stuff. I don't > remember exactly which chip it uses; the machine I have them in is at home > and powered off at the moment. YMMV. This brings me to my final option: has anybody managed to mix IDE controller cards successfully? What cards are good for this? -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 13:29:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from globalrelay.com (h216-18-71-77.gtcust.grouptelecom.net [216.18.71.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F357637B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.83.78.94] (HELO cns) by globalrelay.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with SMTP id 846482; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:29:34 -0800 Message-ID: <012f01c1a5e7$79983090$5e4e5318@cns> From: "Eric Parusel" To: "David Greenman" Cc: References: <008a01c1a5d4$458071e0$34f820c0@ix1x1000> <20020125115942.F67365@nexus.root.com> Subject: Re: Can 4.5 take 6gb ram Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:30:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I am building a new NFS server. Looks like I be using the Intel SCB2 mother board > >(serverworks HE-SL chipset) that can take up to 6gb of ram, I know their were some > >issues with 4gb ram, what about 6 gb :-) (I know I am over 32 bit pointer, ints here). > > > >I know this is pushing it for memory but I can of like the idea of having all the cache :-) > >Kind of like a backing store ram disk :-) > > > >BTW using mylex 2000 (with external raid controlers on top) and gigabit Ethernet > >on separate pci buses to feed it. This system is moves allot of data. > > > > No, FreeBSD will only use 4GB of RAM maximum. Doing more than that > requires major changes to the VM system. Will this be addressed in CURRENT any time sort of soon(this year)? I myself can forsee using more than 4GB in a year or two.. Thanks, Eric Parusel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 13:47:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from drone4.qsi.net.nz (drone4-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz [202.89.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BBD5137B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 10539 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2002 21:47:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chen.org.nz) ([210.54.19.51]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Jan 2002 21:47:51 -0000 Received: (from jonc@localhost) by chen.org.nz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PLlYK24533; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:47:34 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jonc) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:47:34 +1300 From: Jonathan Chen To: Mike Poor Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: login_tty /dev/console resolution? Message-ID: <20020126104734.E24296@grimoire.chen.org.nz> References: <02012509271300.01142@snort> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <02012509271300.01142@snort>; from p00r0ne@digitz.org on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500, Mike Poor wrote: > I just installed 4.4 on a box, and am getting these error messages printed > out to the screen every 30 seconds or so. I did notice a post with this same > problem in 2001, but I could not find a resolution to his problem on the list. > > The message is as follows: > > date host getty[pid]: login_tty /dev/console : Operation Not supported by > device > > If someone could help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it ;) Your console entry in /etc/ttys needs to look like this: console none unknown off secure -- Jonathan Chen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "Lots of folks confuse bad management with destiny" - Kin Hubbard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 13:50:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B437B41C for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06296; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:23:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3C51CCBF.7010904@owt.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:23:11 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Andresen Cc: craig@meoqu.gank.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> <20020125191859.C7B1C62B3@mail.gank.org> <3C51CB7A.8E23CD60@mitre.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jason Andresen wrote: > Craig Boston wrote: > >>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 mikea wrote: >> >> >>>If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only >>>support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do >>>you have for thinking it possible to use two? >>> >>I use two with no problem on 4.4-STABLE: >> > > So am I. It's when I add the third one that problems occur. Have you tried the tx4? The other thing is that by the time you get this kind of setup shouldn't you be looking at scsi anyway. I think you have passed beyond what IDE was intended to be used. > > >>I don't know why they are saying they don't support two in a machine -- the >>on-card BIOS is even nice enough to only run once and it shows all eight >>possible devices in the same screen together! :) Never tried 3, though. >> > > I noticed this too. Although if you add a third card it's bios won't > show up in the boot sequence at all. > > >>I have also had success using multiple SIIG-brand ATA controllers. Despite >>previous bad experiences with some of their (admittedly the cheapest in the >>store :) hardware, I've had good luck with their IDE stuff. I don't >>remember exactly which chip it uses; the machine I have them in is at home >>and powered off at the moment. YMMV. >> > > This brings me to my final option: has anybody managed to mix IDE > controller > cards successfully? What cards are good for this? > > -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 13:54:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E04137B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g0PLfJX68394; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:41:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dg) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:41:19 -0800 From: David Greenman To: Eric Parusel Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can 4.5 take 6gb ram Message-ID: <20020125134119.B64333@nexus.root.com> References: <008a01c1a5d4$458071e0$34f820c0@ix1x1000> <20020125115942.F67365@nexus.root.com> <012f01c1a5e7$79983090$5e4e5318@cns> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <012f01c1a5e7$79983090$5e4e5318@cns>; from lists@globalrelay.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:30:12PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> No, FreeBSD will only use 4GB of RAM maximum. Doing more than >that >> requires major changes to the VM system. > >Will this be addressed in CURRENT any time sort of soon(this year)? >I myself can forsee using more than 4GB in a year or two.. Possibly, but no one is currently working on it, so it's a bit hard to say for sure. I have an interest in it for both of my companies (TeraSolutions - bigger servers for our customers, and Download Technologies - to lower our infrustructure costs so that we can continue to be the low price/ premium file hosting service leader), so there's a chance that I may do this work myself at some point in the medium-term. -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com President, Download Technologies, Inc. - http://www.downloadtech.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 14:17:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (smtpproxy1.mitre.org [129.83.20.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FEE37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:17:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PMH5803967; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0PMH3k12438; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 9041059; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:17:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C51D95B.D12CB0A4@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:17:00 -0500 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kent Stewart Cc: craig@meoqu.gank.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers References: <3C518444.2EBCCD83@mitre.org> <20020125102447.A18865@mikea.ath.cx> <20020125191859.C7B1C62B3@mail.gank.org> <3C51CB7A.8E23CD60@mitre.org> <3C51CCBF.7010904@owt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart wrote: > > Jason Andresen wrote: > > > Craig Boston wrote: > > > >>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 mikea wrote: > >> > >> > >>>If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only > >>>support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do > >>>you have for thinking it possible to use two? > >>> > >>I use two with no problem on 4.4-STABLE: > >> > > > > So am I. It's when I add the third one that problems occur. > > Have you tried the tx4? The other thing is that by the time you get > this kind of setup shouldn't you be looking at scsi anyway. I think > you have passed beyond what IDE was intended to be used. The TX4 didn't really do what I wanted. I was looking to build a slow large RAID5 drive array. The TX4 only supports RAID1, 0, and 1_0. I'm actually trying to get back to the original intent of RAID by using a large number of inexpensive disks (and moderatly priced support hardware). I've actually managed to get it working, but I had to use the motherboard's ATA controller (a PIIX4 limited to ATA33 and forcing on the of the drives to be the slave to the primary HD). I have 10 80GB hard drives in the system, 4 of which are a RAID0 array for backups and the other 6 are a RAID5 data server. I was hoping to get all of the big data drives on the Promise controllers, but I couldn't get the third one working (I've got the data drives as the master on all of the contollers and the backup as the slave, since they shouldn't generally be used at the same time). The entire setup works pretty well (and it cost me < $1500 since I used an old PII motherboard/processor). Not too bad for something that gives me over half a terabyte of usable storage (286GB and 361GB to be precise). -- \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 14:23:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B85E37B402; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0PMNEd87656; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: re@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Installation failure [finally] seen with 4.5-RC3 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:23:14 -0800 Message-ID: <87634.1011997394@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunately, this one seems to be in the "heisenbug" category which is why I didn't flag it as a show-stopper when it started getting reported by others in -stable, referring to the 4.4-snapshot releases they were installing from ftp://stable.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. I don't know when/how it crept in, but there now appears to be a bug which manifests itself during sysinstall's distribution extraction phase, always while installing the src distribution (my canonical installation profile for testing developer installs is X-developer). I also believe it's actually a kernel panic or hard hang vs sysinstall croaking because no signal is caught and the kernel does not panic with "init died" - the system simply hard hangs and you can't switch VTYs or interact in any way with the system. Just to make this even more annoying, the bug does not seem to manifest itself if you have Debug mode selected or are on VTY2 when the crash happens. I'm still pursuing a 100% reproductible test case, but it's an evil problem. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 15:21:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from compugenx.com (cd-191-175.ra30.dc.capu.net [64.50.191.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 61A8A37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from snort ([64.50.191.175]) by compugenx.com ( IA Mail Server Version: 3.2.4. Build: 1096 ) ) ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:27:47 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mike Poor Reply-To: p00r0ne@digitz.org Organization: Digitz.org To: Jonathan Chen Subject: Re: login_tty /dev/console resolution? Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:16:15 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <02012509271300.01142@snort> <20020126104734.E24296@grimoire.chen.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <20020126104734.E24296@grimoire.chen.org.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02012518161502.01142@snort> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, fixed it. Mike On Friday 25 January 2002 16:47, Jonathan Chen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 09:27:13AM -0500, Mike Poor wrote: > > I just installed 4.4 on a box, and am getting these error messages > > printed out to the screen every 30 seconds or so. I did notice a post > > with this same problem in 2001, but I could not find a resolution to his > > problem on the list. > > > > The message is as follows: > > > > date host getty[pid]: login_tty /dev/console : Operation Not supported by > > device > > > > If someone could help me resolve this I would greatly appreciate it ;) > > Your console entry in /etc/ttys needs to look like this: > > console none unknown off secure To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 15:26: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-131.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A588337B425 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0482466B74; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:25:44 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:25:44 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Harald Schmalzbauer Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: A bit OT: was: Re: XFree86-4 port suddenly backed from 4.2.0 to 4.1.0_12,1 Message-ID: <20020125152544.A70000@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20020124151148.A93979@sr.se> <20020124102415.B52483@xor.obsecurity.org> <20020125095102.9584E36AE@mail.wearix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020125095102.9584E36AE@mail.wearix.com>; from Harald.Schmalzbauer@wearix.com on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:51:55AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:51:55AM +0100, Harald Schmalzbauer wrote: > And another interesting point: On what machines are thy compiled? I have = only=20 > PIIs and this would take weeks! They're built on a cluster of 8 Pentium III's. A full build of the entire package set takes about 12-20 hours, from memory. Kris --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Uel4Wry0BWjoQKURApiDAJ9gchlTCCo1f4k/EBQ/5+cu4tg2nACeKKnz k4mkjYSqqTJAZHASVnty9cc= =tvzr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/9DWx/yDrRhgMJTb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 15:49:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter2.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AE37B400; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0PNn1v13140; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:49:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:49:01 -0600 (CST) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: john@jupiter.linuxengine.net To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: re@FreeBSD.ORG, Subject: Re: Installation failure [finally] seen with 4.5-RC3 In-Reply-To: <87634.1011997394@winston.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Unfortunately, this one seems to be in the "heisenbug" category which > is why I didn't flag it as a show-stopper when it started getting <...> > I also believe it's actually a kernel panic or hard hang vs sysinstall if it's a kernel panic, wouldnt you see some indication thereof on the serial port? or is that sort of functionality not available in an install kernel? just my us$ 0.02.... johnu > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 15:51:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E9237B417 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:51:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47719782FC; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:20:58 +1030 (CST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:20:58 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Martin Blapp Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 Message-ID: <20020126102058.U4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020125151124.O58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020125134718.I58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020125111624.S47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020125151124.O58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> <20020125134718.I58067-100000@levais.imp.ch> <20020125111624.S47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Friday, 25 January 2002 at 11:38:31 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > Hi, > > Here is the config, before I exchanged da0 with a raw disk. > > # Vinum configuration of , saved at Fri Jan 25 09:44:32 2002 > drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da0e > drive vinumdrive1 device /dev/da1e > drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da0f > drive vinumdrive3 device /dev/da1f > drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da0g > drive vinumdrive5 device /dev/da1g You still haven't explained why you're doing this. > I guess I know what makes the trouble. To be able to boot ! !? > from da0, which also has a root partition on it, I changed SCSI > ID's, so my old da1 got da0. And vinum cannot deal with this. Yes, it can. > I really should be able to tell vinum that vinumdrive1 is indead > vinumdrive2, since the device ordering has changed. It does this automatically. > But I really do not want to restore my root partition from backup, > if I still have a working cold mirror. That is nonsense. It would be nonsense, but it's incorrect. >> vinum list? > > eblcom# vinum list > 3 drives: > D vinumdrive1 State: up Device /dev/da0s1e Avail: 0/1024 MB > D vinumdrive3 State: up Device /dev/da0s1f Avail: 0/6144 MB > D vinumdrive5 State: up Device /dev/da0s1g Avail: 0/22712 MB > D vinumdrive0 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB > D vinumdrive2 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB > D vinumdrive4 State: referenced Device Avail: 0/0 MB OK, da1 is gone away. > It seems to me that reviveing the mirrors does not work as supposed. You need a disk first. > By the way. I found the command which made such problems: > > have a configfile like such: > > # cat /root/configfile > drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da1e > drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da1f > drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da1g > > and execute > > vinum create /root/configfile twice ! makes STABLE 4.5RC3 crashing > with a double fault. I guess we should fix that. I'm makeing now a > debug kernel. OK, this bears investigation. > If I try to take the configfile as described above, from the > original creation, I get vinum hanging and get unkillable, or I get > a segfault from vinum. (Both happened) OK, let's see the dumps. On Friday, 25 January 2002 at 13:59:32 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > I've found now a way to work around this vinum limitation. > It seems that a vinum mirror is not able to handle this case: > > Crash of the "Master disk", "Slave Disk becomes Master instead, > and we boot the Slave Disk as Master. There's no such thing as a master or a slave disk in Vinum. > I had to do the following steps: > > 1) Reboot > 1) Change SCSI ID's. ID1 > ID2, ID2 > ID1 This is not necssary. > 3) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM > 4) Partition da1 the same as da0 > 5) Disklabel da1 the same way as da0 > 6) dd bs=4096k if=/dev/da0a of=/dev/da1a > 7) reboot > 8) Change SCSI ID's. ID2 > ID1, ID1 > ID2 > 9) Boot up the previous SLAVE disk into SUM > 10) echo "drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da0e" > configfile > echo "drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da0f" >> configfile > echo "drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da0g" >> configfile > 11) vinum start > 12) vinum start vinumdrive0 > 13) vinum start vinumdrive2 > 14) vinum start vinumdrive4 > 15) vinum stop > 16) vinum start var.p0.s0 > 17) vinum start docsis.p0.s0 > 18) vinum start docsisvar.p0.s0 > > And then vinum gets happy and rebuilds. Most of what you have done there is irrelevant. > The only difference here is that we have to reboot and change SCSI > ID's twice, instead of only one time. You don't need to change them at all. On Friday, 25 January 2002 at 15:14:37 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > Hi Greg, > > Does this look reasonable now ? (I Included my workaround for the > vinum double fault panic problem.) No. It's all based on a misunderstanding of how Vinum works. I'll wait for the dumps of the situations you show above. We should also check the hangs. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 16: 9: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B2537B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.128.125.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.128.125] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UGOo-0003Yv-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:08:51 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0Q08kN14438; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:08:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:08:46 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125160846.A14394@blossom.cjclark.org> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:51:33AM -0600 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:51:33AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > It works as expected using the GENERIC kernel. Because when there is no firewall in the kernel and firewall_enable is not set to "YES", there is no firewall loaded. This behavior would not change. In fact this can be an argument for the suggested change, it would make behavior more consistent between systems without built-in firewalling and ones with firewalling. > It only works the way > complained about when you build your own custom kernel with IPFIREWALL and > not with IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT. At that point, I think the admin > needs to educate one self. I prefer to leave it as is, as it errs on the > side of safety. I am not sure that making the system pretty much unusable really errs on the side of safety. I guess brick, cut off from the world, is pretty secure. We always need to balance security versus other factors and usability is one of the big ones. > There is a message to this respect right in the LINT configuration file. > > # WARNING: IPFIREWALL defaults to a policy of "deny ip from any to any" > # and if you do not add other rules during startup to allow access, > # YOU WILL LOCK YOURSELF OUT. It is suggested that you set > firewall_type=open > # in /etc/rc.conf when first enabling this feature, then refining the > # firewall rules in /etc/rc.firewall after you've tested that the new kernel > # feature works properly. It doesn't actually mention that you need to set firewall_enable="YES" here, but I really do not think there is a problem with the current documentation either. I _do_ think that having firewall_enable="NO" actually disable the firewall would be more useful. Right now, there is no supported way to boot up a system with firewalling built into the kernel and actually disable the firewalling. I think that should be an option. That's really what makes the change attractive to me. (I have wanted to do this in the past, I had to enable firewalling, load an "open" rule set, before I could flip 'net.inet.ip.fw.enable' off.) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crist J. Clark" > To: "Patrick Greenwell" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove > the > > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set > to NO in > > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather > a > > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it > make > > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or > am I > > > missing something? > > > > > > Opinions welcome. > > > > I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the > > firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable > > sysctl(8). > > > > That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in > > -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the > > documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted > > about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is > > fairly clear, > > > > firewall_enable > > (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules at > startup. > > If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, the ipfw > ker- > > nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. > > > > In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and > > doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is > > such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to > > changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 16:18:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156B337B416; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id B79C94B65D; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:18:01 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: re@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation failure [finally] seen with 4.5-RC3 Message-ID: <20020126001801.GL5153@freebsdmall.com> References: <87634.1011997394@winston.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87634.1011997394@winston.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've done at least 10 installs of the different RCs and I haven't run into this, so I'm very interested in finding a reproducible case. Most of my installs were also of "X-developer". Has anyone else seen this? Is there anything special about the hardware you installed to? - Murray On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 02:23:14PM -0800, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Unfortunately, this one seems to be in the "heisenbug" category which > is why I didn't flag it as a show-stopper when it started getting > reported by others in -stable, referring to the 4.4-snapshot releases > they were installing from ftp://stable.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD. > > I don't know when/how it crept in, but there now appears to be a bug > which manifests itself during sysinstall's distribution extraction > phase, always while installing the src distribution (my canonical > installation profile for testing developer installs is X-developer). > > I also believe it's actually a kernel panic or hard hang vs sysinstall > croaking because no signal is caught and the kernel does not panic > with "init died" - the system simply hard hangs and you can't switch > VTYs or interact in any way with the system. Just to make this even > more annoying, the bug does not seem to manifest itself if you have > Debug mode selected or are on VTY2 when the crash happens. I'm still > pursuing a 100% reproductible test case, but it's an evil problem. > > - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 16:23:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (veldy-host33.dsl.visi.com [209.98.200.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE6C37B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from cascade (cascade.veldy.net [192.168.1.1]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7051D1A196; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:23:15 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: Cc: "Patrick Greenwell" , References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20020125160846.A14394@blossom.cjclark.org> Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:23:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:51:33AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > It works as expected using the GENERIC kernel. > > Because when there is no firewall in the kernel and firewall_enable is > not set to "YES", there is no firewall loaded. This behavior would not > change. In fact this can be an argument for the suggested change, it > would make behavior more consistent between systems without built-in > firewalling and ones with firewalling. Behavior is very consistant. It loads the ipfw module if needed and runs the firewall script. > > > It only works the way > > complained about when you build your own custom kernel with IPFIREWALL and > > not with IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT. At that point, I think the admin > > needs to educate one self. I prefer to leave it as is, as it errs on the > > side of safety. > > I am not sure that making the system pretty much unusable really errs > on the side of safety. I guess brick, cut off from the world, is > pretty secure. We always need to balance security versus other > factors and usability is one of the big ones. No -- it implies that you should know what you are doing if you are going to be building and installing new kernels and working on you firewall remotely. There is NOTHING stopping you from getting onto the machine with a good old fashioned keyboard. > > > There is a message to this respect right in the LINT configuration file. > > > > # WARNING: IPFIREWALL defaults to a policy of "deny ip from any to any" > > # and if you do not add other rules during startup to allow access, > > # YOU WILL LOCK YOURSELF OUT. It is suggested that you set > > firewall_type=open > > # in /etc/rc.conf when first enabling this feature, then refining the > > # firewall rules in /etc/rc.firewall after you've tested that the new kernel > > # feature works properly. > > It doesn't actually mention that you need to set firewall_enable="YES" > here, but I really do not think there is a problem with the current > documentation either. You don't actually have to if you don't want to. You can set the proper sysctl in /etc/sysctl.conf if you like. > > I _do_ think that having firewall_enable="NO" actually disable the > firewall would be more useful. Right now, there is no supported way to > boot up a system with firewalling built into the kernel and actually > disable the firewalling. I think that should be an option. That's > really what makes the change attractive to me. (I have wanted to do > this in the past, I had to enable firewalling, load an "open" rule > set, before I could flip 'net.inet.ip.fw.enable' off.) That tells me that you should either leave it as a module or add IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT to your kernel config. Both are something that is an educated administration choice. The only time that firewall_enable="NO" is a problem is when you consciously put IPFIREWALL into the kernel. It really is up to you to make sure you at least know a little about what you are doing when you begin messing with a new kernel and building a firewall. I still believe the current knobs in rc.conf work just fine and I don't believe they should be changed at all as they pertain to this discussion. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Crist J. Clark" > > To: "Patrick Greenwell" > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:03 AM > > Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness > > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:21:50PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > > > > > > I recently got bit by this: I have firewall options configured into my > > > > kernel, and made the mistake of thinking that in order to disable > > > > this functionality to allow all traffic that I merely needed to remove > > the > > > > firewall_enable paramater from my rc.conf since firewall_enable is set > > to NO in > > > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf. > > > > > > > > This did not have the intended result of disabling the firewall, rather > > a > > > > default deny was applied. If firewall_enable is set to NO, wouldn't it > > make > > > > more sense to have the init scripts set net.inet.ip.fw.enable to 0, or > > am I > > > > missing something? > > > > > > > > Opinions welcome. > > > > > > I think this is a valid point. When 'firewall_enable="NO"' the > > > firewalling should be disabled with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable > > > sysctl(8). > > > > > > That said, it _may_ be a little late to make this change in > > > -STABLE. Although the name may be misleading, I think the rest of the > > > documentation is accurate. Besides all the stuff people have quoted > > > about the 'options IPFIREWALL' in the kernel, I think rc.conf(5) is > > > fairly clear, > > > > > > firewall_enable > > > (bool) Set to ``YES'' to load firewall rules at > > startup. > > > If the kernel was not built with IPFIREWALL, the ipfw > > ker- > > > nel module will be loaded. See also ipfilter_enable. > > > > > > In that it only says special things happen when it is "YES" and > > > doesn't say it is explicitly disabled when set to "NO." Since this is > > > such a security critical option, I really hesitate when it comes to > > > changing this in -STABLE. -CURRENT OTOH... > > -- > Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu > | cjclark@jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 17: 6: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B07D737B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 54858 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jan 2002 01:05:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 01:05:48 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:05:48 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: cjclark@alum.mit.edu, Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> Message-ID: <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > It only works the way > > > complained about when you build your own custom kernel with IPFIREWALL > and > > > not with IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT. At that point, I think the admin > > > needs to educate one self. I prefer to leave it as is, as it errs on > the > > > side of safety. > > > > I am not sure that making the system pretty much unusable really errs > > on the side of safety. I guess brick, cut off from the world, is > > pretty secure. We always need to balance security versus other > > factors and usability is one of the big ones. > > No -- it implies that you should know what you are doing if you are going to > be building and installing new kernels and working on you firewall remotely. > There is NOTHING stopping you from getting onto the machine with a good old > fashioned keyboard. You know, I continue to be amazed at the attitude that says that things should be kept counter-intuitive and anyone who doesn't like it that way is ignorant. What possible benefit is there in perpetuating mislabeled behavior? To me, it's very simple: there's this "firewall_enable" option in rc.conf, and I think that reasonable people would infer that if you set it to "no" it meant that you didn't want a firewall enabled(based on the name of the variable), yet that is not what happens. All the documentation reading in the world isn't going to make me think it's a good idea to have "no" mean "yes" and I certainly don't think it's useful or helpful to cast aspersions on individuals who want "no" to actually mean "no." /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 17:33:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A873937B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0Q1XTt03826; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:33:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:33:28 -0500 From: Bob K To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> References: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>; from patrick@stealthgeeks.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:05:48PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:05:48PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > You know, I continue to be amazed at the attitude that says that things > should be kept counter-intuitive and anyone who doesn't like it that way > is ignorant. What possible benefit is there in perpetuating mislabeled > behavior? > > To me, it's very simple: there's this "firewall_enable" option in rc.conf, > and I think that reasonable people would infer that if you set it to "no" > it meant that you didn't want a firewall enabled(based on the name of the > variable), yet that is not what happens. > > All the documentation reading in the world isn't going to make me think it's a > good idea to have "no" mean "yes" and I certainly don't think it's useful or > helpful to cast aspersions on individuals who want "no" to actually mean "no." The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? Perhaps the variable could be renamed to something more specific. -- Bob | Please don't feed the sock puppet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 17:40:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3606537B436 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55225 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jan 2002 01:40:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 01:40:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:40:04 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: Bob K Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> Message-ID: <20020125173525.O55184-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Bob K wrote: > The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of > users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come > into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any > firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) is relatively small. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18: 2:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A177537B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0Q22st04218 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:02:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:02:54 -0500 From: Bob K To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125210254.B454@yip.org> References: <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> <20020125173525.O55184-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020125173525.O55184-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>; from patrick@stealthgeeks.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:40:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 05:40:04PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > > The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of > > users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come > > into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any > > firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? > > I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of > individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their > machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) > is relatively small. If the variable name gets changed to, say, LOAD_FIREWALL_RULES, with the rc scripts spitting out a warning (and otherwise behaving as expected) if ENABLE_FIREWALL is encountered, then the number of people that gets surprised by the change would be zero. That number would be higher than zero if the variable behaviour is changed. As for people that want to deny all traffic, I can think of at least one case where this might be desired: People who only want connectivity enabled after a PPP or SL/IP or some scripted link with user intervention comes up. -- Bob | Please don't feed the sock puppet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18: 5:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 669A837B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 50676 invoked by uid 100); 26 Jan 2002 02:05:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15442.3825.38443.26350@guru.mired.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:05:37 -0600 To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: Bob K , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125173525.O55184-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> References: <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> <20020125173525.O55184-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.44 (Python 2.2; freebsd-4.4-STABLE-i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Patrick Greenwell types: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Bob K wrote: > > The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of > > users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come > > into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any > > firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? > I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of > individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their > machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) > is relatively small. Actually, that's the base you want to start with when building a firewall. You then go on to allow in traffic that you want to pass through. This is really a security issue. If you're tweaking the firewall for a machine, what do you want to happen if you screw so badly the rules aren't loaded: 1) nobody can get to the machine, or 2) the machine is wide open to the world. #1 is clearly the more secure behavior, and thus makes sense as the default. Yes, it means that in the case where you've built a custom kernel with a firewall and not set up any firewall rules, the rc.conf firewall_enable variable is a bit odd; after all, you've enabled the firewall already. If you want it to behave the other way when you build a custom kernel, you can. Personally, I think the current behavior of making things more secure is the better default. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18:11:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15BF437B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55628 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jan 2002 02:11:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:11:33 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:11:33 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: Mike Meyer Cc: Bob K , Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <15442.3825.38443.26350@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: <20020125180928.K55603-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Mike Meyer wrote: > Patrick Greenwell types: > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Bob K wrote: > > > The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of > > > users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come > > > into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any > > > firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? > > I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of > > individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their > > machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) > > is relatively small. > > Actually, that's the base you want to start with when building a > firewall. You then go on to allow in traffic that you want to pass > through. That's right, but it that case you wouldn't be setting firewall_enable to "no" since you *want* a firewall. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18:17:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rockstar.stealthgeeks.net (h-66-134-120-173.LSANCA54.covad.net [66.134.120.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4146B37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 55691 invoked by uid 1001); 26 Jan 2002 02:17:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 02:17:52 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:17:52 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick Greenwell To: Bob K Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125210254.B454@yip.org> Message-ID: <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Bob K wrote: > > I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of > > individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their > > machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) > > is relatively small. > > If the variable name gets changed to, say, LOAD_FIREWALL_RULES, with the > rc scripts spitting out a warning (and otherwise behaving as expected) > if ENABLE_FIREWALL is encountered, then the number of people that gets > surprised by the change would be zero. That number would be higher > than zero if the variable behaviour is changed. The variable behavior is non-sensical. Do you continue doing things that don't make sense simply due to inertia? (I feel a PHB story coming on...) Further, doesn't the act of adding variables "suprise" people? > As for people that want to deny all traffic, I can think of at least one > case where this might be desired: People who only want connectivity > enabled after a PPP or SL/IP or some scripted link with user > intervention comes up. It is always easy to find edge cases which is why I try to avoid speaking in absolutes. In any case, do you believe that there are thousands of people out there running systems in the particular fashion you describe above? /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell Stealthgeeks,LLC. Operations Consulting http://www.stealthgeeks.net \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18:21:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cumin.apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364C037B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from apnic.net (hadrian.apnic.net [202.12.29.249]) by cumin.apnic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g0Q2GT3Z004481; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:16:29 +1000 To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: longer range FreeBSD projects into stable In-reply-to: Your message of "25 Jan 2002 11:49:37 -0500." <44665q1ila.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:21:19 +1000 Message-ID: <17094.1012011679@apnic.net> From: George Michaelson X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.1 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org (Michael Lucas) writes: > > > You could check the FreeBSD Status Reports, mailed bimonthly to > > -hackers. It contains information on a lot of projects. > > http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/status.html > So we'll get one end of this month covering December and January? cool! many thanks I guess I think this report should be on -stable too! -George -- George Michaelson | APNIC Email: ggm@apnic.net | PO Box 2131 Milton QLD 4064 Phone: +61 7 3367 0490 | Australia Fax: +61 7 3367 0482 | http://www.apnic.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18:33: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA4637B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0Q2X8k04643; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:33:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:33:08 -0500 From: Bob K To: Patrick Greenwell Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125213308.C454@yip.org> References: <20020125210254.B454@yip.org> <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net>; from patrick@stealthgeeks.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:17:52PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:17:52PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > > The variable behavior is non-sensical. Do you continue doing things that > don't make sense simply due to inertia? (I feel a PHB story coming on...) > > Further, doesn't the act of adding variables "suprise" people? Sigh. IHBT. IHL. HAND. -- Bob | Please don't feed the sock puppet. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 18:54:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E9437B402; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0Q2sJd47303; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:54:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: John Utz Cc: re@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation failure [finally] seen with 4.5-RC3 In-Reply-To: Message from John Utz of "Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:49:01 CST." Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:54:19 -0800 Message-ID: <47299.1012013659@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This particular machine is surrounded by Macs. I don't have anything to plug its serial port into. :-) - Jordan P.S. I suppose I could revive my Vaio. > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > Unfortunately, this one seems to be in the "heisenbug" category which > > is why I didn't flag it as a show-stopper when it started getting > <...> > > I also believe it's actually a kernel panic or hard hang vs sysinstall > > if it's a kernel panic, wouldnt you see some indication thereof on the > serial port? or is that sort of functionality not available in an install > kernel? > > just my us$ 0.02.... > > johnu > > > - Jordan > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > -- > > John L. Utz III > john@utzweb.net > > Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 19: 6:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A80737B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.238.194.207] (helo=tanya.raggedclown.net) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UJAk-0007nP-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:06:30 +0000 Received: by tanya.raggedclown.net (tanya.raggedclown.intra, from userid 500) id 9AE54452B8; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:06:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 04:06:29 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020126030629.GA1290@raggedclown.net> References: <20020125210254.B454@yip.org> <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:17:52PM -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Bob K wrote: > > > > I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that the number of > > > individuals that really want to deny all traffic to and from their > > > machine(which is the current result of setting firewall_enable to no) > > > is relatively small. > > > > If the variable name gets changed to, say, LOAD_FIREWALL_RULES, with the > > rc scripts spitting out a warning (and otherwise behaving as expected) > > if ENABLE_FIREWALL is encountered, then the number of people that gets > > surprised by the change would be zero. That number would be higher > > than zero if the variable behaviour is changed. > > The variable behavior is non-sensical. Do you continue doing things that > don't make sense simply due to inertia? (I feel a PHB story coming on...) > > Further, doesn't the act of adding variables "suprise" people? > > > As for people that want to deny all traffic, I can think of at least one > > case where this might be desired: People who only want connectivity > > enabled after a PPP or SL/IP or some scripted link with user > > intervention comes up. > Most of these people are not going to be online to anything until that happens anyway ! > It is always easy to find edge cases which is why I try to avoid speaking > in absolutes. In any case, do you believe that there are thousands of > people out there running systems in the particular fashion you describe > above? > I think Mr Greenwall is correct. The "erring" on the side of safety is not really an argument, since if you are at the point of disabling the firewall you are presumably informed enough to know of the consequences. It is erring on the side of "Nanny knows best". Of course building a firewall set is best started from deny all onwards. But that is not the question here. If I say don't load firewall, or unload firewall, I would expect the result to be an un-firewalled system. The current behaviour is counter-intuitive. As for the surprise it may give firewall administrators, I expect they have already been suprised in the past when they have forgotten what happens if you happen to be miles away from the console and do this... This is both an argument about the phasing of a question (which is clearly in need of re-phrasing even if the current status-quo is maintained); and an argument about what should happen in these scenarios. I also happen to believe the status-quo is in need of change. -- Regards Cliff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 19: 7:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C25037B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.141.114.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.141.114] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UJBI-0001Me-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:07:06 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0Q35vE15316; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:05:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:05:52 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20020125160846.A14394@blossom.cjclark.org> <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade>; from veldy@veldy.net on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:23:12PM -0600 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 06:23:12PM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:51:33AM -0600, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote: > > > It works as expected using the GENERIC kernel. > > > > Because when there is no firewall in the kernel and firewall_enable is > > not set to "YES", there is no firewall loaded. This behavior would not > > change. In fact this can be an argument for the suggested change, it > > would make behavior more consistent between systems without built-in > > firewalling and ones with firewalling. > > Behavior is very consistant. It loads the ipfw module if needed and runs > the firewall script. But the current behavior of the two is inconsistent if 'firewall_enable="NO".' If you have a staticly compiled firewall, you have a brick. If you don't you have a wide-open machine. The change would make it wide open in both cases. That is, when you do not have firewall_enable enabling firewalling, you don't have a firewall. (period) > > > It only works the way > > > complained about when you build your own custom kernel with IPFIREWALL > and > > > not with IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT. At that point, I think the admin > > > needs to educate one self. I prefer to leave it as is, as it errs on > the > > > side of safety. > > > > I am not sure that making the system pretty much unusable really errs > > on the side of safety. I guess brick, cut off from the world, is > > pretty secure. We always need to balance security versus other > > factors and usability is one of the big ones. > > No -- it implies that you should know what you are doing if you are going to > be building and installing new kernels and working on you firewall remotely. > There is NOTHING stopping you from getting onto the machine with a good old > fashioned keyboard. I never said there was anything keeping you off the console. It's a brick with a head. > > I _do_ think that having firewall_enable="NO" actually disable the > > firewall would be more useful. Right now, there is no supported way to > > boot up a system with firewalling built into the kernel and actually > > disable the firewalling. I think that should be an option. That's > > really what makes the change attractive to me. (I have wanted to do > > this in the past, I had to enable firewalling, load an "open" rule > > set, before I could flip 'net.inet.ip.fw.enable' off.) > > That tells me that you should either leave it as a module or add > IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT to your kernel config. Both are something that > is an educated administration choice. The only time that > firewall_enable="NO" is a problem is when you consciously put IPFIREWALL > into the kernel. It really is up to you to make sure you at least know a > little about what you are doing when you begin messing with a new kernel and > building a firewall. > > I still believe the current knobs in rc.conf work just fine and I don't > believe they should be changed at all as they pertain to this discussion. They work, but I think they can work better. Having 'firewall_enable="NO"' when you have a built-in firewall is essentially a useless configuration knob. Almost everyone needs to set it to "YES" to have a useable system. Why not give "NO" a useful functionality? Since everyone with a built-in firewall has it already set it to "YES", I don't see a great security impact in changing the behavior of "NO". That is, people are not going to do a mergemaster(8) on a configured system and have their policy changed without their knowledge. The argument that "NO" should by default lock people out of their systems unless they know better goes both ways. One can just as easily say that if they should know better, they should know that you need to have 'firewall_enabled="YES"' for the firewall to be enabled. But there may be people running systems out there with 'firewall_enable="NO"' and compiled-in firewalls. Because I can't think of a workable configuration that would be set up this way, it doesn't mean there are not any. This is what makes me hesitant about changing it. However, I haven't seen any evidence so far that such systems exist. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 19: 9:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FCB37B400; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.141.114.dial1.sanjose1.level3.net ([209.245.141.114] helo=blossom.cjclark.org) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UJDZ-000529-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:09:30 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by blossom.cjclark.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) id g0Q384Z15342; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:08:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:08:04 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Scott Campbell Cc: Nate Williams , Nik Clayton , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020125190804.F14394@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <15441.36372.572274.479242@caddis.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from scampbel@gvpl.ca on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:39:11AM -0800 X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:39:11AM -0800, Scott Campbell wrote: [snip] > Do we NEED the "firewall_enable" in rc.conf? Since we are enabling it in > the kernel then we don't really have the option to enable/disable like > other stuff (sendmail,sshd...) in rc.conf. You can disable the firewall, even if built into the kernel, with the net.inet.ip.fw.enable sysctl(8) knob. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu | cjclark@jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 20:45:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter2.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9678837B417; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0Q4inv22277; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:44:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:44:49 -0600 (CST) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: john@jupiter.linuxengine.net To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: re@FreeBSD.ORG, Subject: Re: Installation failure [finally] seen with 4.5-RC3 In-Reply-To: <47299.1012013659@winston.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This particular machine is surrounded by Macs. I don't have anything to plug > its serial port into. :-) serial2usb adapter? i actually just saw one at computerstop and wondered wtf anybody would want them for.... silly me, computer accessiry manufacturer are just *dieing* to service the lucrative mac/bsd crossover market and here i am mocking their efforts.... > - Jordan > > P.S. I suppose I could revive my Vaio. umm, i'd say this is a tossup with the adapter idea....the adapter would be theoretically less work...but u dont need to go to the store if you take this route.... > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > > > Unfortunately, this one seems to be in the "heisenbug" category which > > > is why I didn't flag it as a show-stopper when it started getting > > <...> > > > I also believe it's actually a kernel panic or hard hang vs sysinstall > > > > if it's a kernel panic, wouldnt you see some indication thereof on the > > serial port? or is that sort of functionality not available in an install > > kernel? > > > > just my us$ 0.02.... > > > > johnu > > > > > - Jordan > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > > -- > > > > John L. Utz III > > john@utzweb.net > > > > Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life > > > -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 21:13:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx.mailix.net (mx.mailix.net [216.148.221.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA72537B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from [24.82.169.104] (helo=h2482169104) by mx.mailix.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16ULBP-0005LD-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:15:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c1a627$9562cca0$68a95218@wp.shawcable.net.wp.shawcable.net> From: "Paul" To: Subject: SUBSCRIBE Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:09:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5F5.4A0819E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5F5.4A0819E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5F5.4A0819E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1A5F5.4A0819E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Jan 25 22:25:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (wall-gw.polstra.com [206.213.73.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7753C37B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0Q6PBt75563; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id g0Q6PAr01120; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:25:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:25:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200201260625.g0Q6PAr01120@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: e-masson@kisoft-services.com Subject: Re: PCI 802.11b recommendations? In-Reply-To: <861ygewulg.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> References: <86it9rwzaw.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20020124.165444.105374974.imp@village.org> <861ygewulg.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <861ygewulg.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com>, Eric Masson wrote: > It seems I'm using an outdated cvsup mirror to feed mine (commits logged > in cvs-all not appearing on my local cvsup server), If you think a CVSup mirror is out-of-date, please look up the maintainer of the mirror in the FreeBSD Handbook and report the problem to him. That is the only way such problems can be fixed. John -- John Polstra John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 3:13: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6B537B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com ([62.252.56.102]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020126111254.CNPF8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com>; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:12:54 +0000 Received: from lfarr (l-farr.bka.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.10.200]) by pc1-stme2-0-cust102.cdf.cable.ntl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QBCrK45679; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:12:53 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Cc: , "'Jason Andresen'" , "'Kent Stewart'" Subject: RE: Multiple Promise controllers Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:12:51 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c1a65a$6620af10$c80aa8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3C51D95B.D12CB0A4@mitre.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I love the 3ware controllers, and have: twe0: <3ware Storage Controller> port 0xa400-0xa40f mem 0xde800000-0xdeffffff,0xdf000000-0xdf00000f irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 twe0: 8 ports, Firmware FE7X 1.02.01.043, BIOS BE7X 1.07.01.009 twed0: on twe0 twed0: 667766MB (1367586304 sectors) Now they're on sale again, Im gonna get a few more! Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Andresen > Sent: 25 January 2002 22:17 > To: Kent Stewart > Cc: craig@meoqu.gank.org; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Multiple Promise controllers > > > Kent Stewart wrote: > > > > Jason Andresen wrote: > > > > > Craig Boston wrote: > > > > > >>On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:24:47 -0600 mikea > wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>If the manufacturer says you can only use, or that they only > > >>>support, one card in the system, then what basis in fact do > > >>>you have for thinking it possible to use two? > > >>> > > >>I use two with no problem on 4.4-STABLE: > > >> > > > > > > So am I. It's when I add the third one that problems occur. > > > > Have you tried the tx4? The other thing is that by the time you get > > this kind of setup shouldn't you be looking at scsi anyway. I think > > you have passed beyond what IDE was intended to be used. > > The TX4 didn't really do what I wanted. I was looking to build a > slow large RAID5 drive array. The TX4 only supports RAID1, > 0, and 1_0. > I'm actually trying to get back to the original intent of > RAID by using > a large number of inexpensive disks (and moderatly priced support > hardware). I've actually managed to get it working, but I had to use > the motherboard's ATA controller (a PIIX4 limited to ATA33 and forcing > on the of the drives to be the slave to the primary HD). I have > 10 80GB hard drives in the system, 4 of which are a RAID0 array for > backups and the other 6 are a RAID5 data server. I was hoping to > get all of the big data drives on the Promise controllers, but I > couldn't > get the third one working (I've got the data drives as the > master on all > of the contollers and the backup as the slave, since they shouldn't > generally be used at the same time). The entire setup works > pretty well > (and it cost me < $1500 since I used an old PII > motherboard/processor). > Not too bad for something that gives me over half a terabyte of usable > storage (286GB and 361GB to be precise). > > -- > \ |_ _|__ __|_ \ __| Jason Andresen jandrese@mitre.org > |\/ | | | / _| Network and Distributed Systems Engineer > _| _|___| _| _|_\___| Office: 703-883-7755 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 5:37:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.imp.ch (mail.imp.ch [157.161.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FD737B41D; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from levais.imp.ch (levais.imp.ch [157.161.4.66]) by mail.imp.ch (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0QDbkv96351; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:37:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Martin.Blapp@imp.ch) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:37:45 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Blapp To: Greg Lehey Cc: Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 In-Reply-To: <20020126102058.U4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20020126142837.F64398-100000@levais.imp.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Greg, > > You still haven't explained why you're doing this. /var and docsisvar both need bondarys. /var contains a mailspool, and /docsis/var contains statistics. I cannot have them all on the same partition, since that can fill up the main /docsis partition quickly, so important services will fail. > You need a disk first. I have a disk ! but vinum does not like it it seems ;-) > OK, this bears investigation. # cat configfile $ drive vinumdrive0 device /dev/da1s1e $ drive vinumdrive2 device /dev/da1s1f $ drive vinumdrive4 device /dev/da1s1g vinum create configfile I did not manage again to get vinum hanged. I get a double fault now instantly. > There's no such thing as a master or a slave disk in Vinum. I know. This was just to "visualize" the problem a bit more. > This is not necssary. Until this problem is fixed, it is (for me at least) > No. It's all based on a misunderstanding of how Vinum works. Huh ? I'n my opinion vinum should just deal fine with the described procedure which crashes vinum. > I'll wait for the dumps of the situations you show above. We should > also check the hangs. I have now a crashdump for you available. More in private mail, ok ? Martin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 5:49:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E205937B402; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 26 Jan 2002 13:49:38 +0000 (GMT) To: "Crist J. Clark" Cc: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 25 Jan 2002 19:05:52 PST." <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:49:37 +0000 From: Ian Dowse Message-ID: <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org>, "Crist J. Clark" writes : >But the current behavior of the two is inconsistent if >'firewall_enable="NO".' If you have a staticly compiled firewall, you >have a brick. If you don't you have a wide-open machine. The change >would make it wide open in both cases. That is, when you do not have >firewall_enable enabling firewalling, you don't have a firewall. (period) We have numerous machines with firewall_enable="NO" (because we don't want the rc scripts to touch the firewall config) and both `options IPFIREWALL' and `options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT' in the kernel config. A trivial firewall/dummynet configuration is set up in rc.local. In general, xxx="NO" in rc.conf means "dont start xxx", it doesn't mean "don't start xxx, and if there is one running, kill it", i.e. ="NO" is an instruction to the rc scripts to do nothing (I'm sure there are a few exceptions). I think the existing firewall_enable behaviour is consistent with this, but a new "DISABLE" option could be added without any problems. Ian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 8:21:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (a96180.upc-a.chello.nl [62.163.96.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A1E37B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by a96180.upc-a.chello.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 465A9216F; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:21:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:21:33 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/asmodai To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness Message-ID: <20020126162132.GT68034@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <20020125210254.B454@yip.org> <20020125181141.N55633-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020126030629.GA1290@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020126030629.GA1290@raggedclown.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organisation: Ninth Circle Enterprises Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -On [20020126 04:15], Cliff Sarginson (cliff@raggedclown.net) wrote: >I also happen to believe the status-quo is in need of change. Not in STABLE. Solve it in CURRENT, and perhaps backport it, but make sure that whatever happens to STABLE is: 1) well-documented 2) solved in such a way it doesn't counteract current practice, but rather clarifies it. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven / asmodai / Kita no Mono / xMach coreteam asmodai@[wxs.nl|xmach.org], finger asmodai@ninth-circle.org http://www.softweyr.com/asmodai/ Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 8:24:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2EE37B417 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-209.245.14.206.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([209.245.14.206] helo=sax.killian.com) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16UVdN-0002Or-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:24:54 -0800 From: "Earl A. Killian" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: AMD/AGP problem in linux -- does it affect FreeBSD? Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:24:54 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The following URL potential cache coherency interaction between Athlon speculative writes and the GART. Could FreeBSD be affected? "AMD's educated guess is that these Athlon/AGP stability problems have to do with speculative writes by the CPU and how they can cause indavertent trashing of AGP memory if pages are mapped with indiscretion by the OS and drivers." http://www.geocrawler.com/lists/3/Linux/35/175/7626960 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 8:28:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED0437B402; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QGSpo07910; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:28:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QGSnx75758; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:28:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:28:03 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020126.092803.25710806.imp@village.org> To: iedowse@maths.tcd.ie Cc: cjc@FreeBSD.ORG, veldy@veldy.net, patrick@stealthgeeks.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Ian Dowse writes: : In general, xxx="NO" in rc.conf means "dont start xxx", it doesn't : mean "don't start xxx, and if there is one running, kill it", i.e. : ="NO" is an instruction to the rc scripts to do nothing (I'm sure : there are a few exceptions). I think the existing firewall_enable : behaviour is consistent with this, but a new "DISABLE" option could : be added without any problems. I agree. The last thing we should be doing is autotmatically disabling a security feature by some rc setting. We do similar things with our firewall stuff on a couple of our machines because we need to do some custom things before turning it on that don't fit the current rc paradigm. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 8:51:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633A937B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0QGp4o07975; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:51:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QGp3x75813; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:51:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:50:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020126.095018.50519933.imp@village.org> To: earl@killian.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD/AGP problem in linux -- does it affect FreeBSD? From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: "Earl A. Killian" writes: : The following URL potential cache coherency interaction between Athlon : speculative writes and the GART. Could FreeBSD be affected? I think there was a thread recently that implied the answer would be no. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 11:41:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wastelandranger.org (germania.inboxinc.com [205.162.236.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15AF37B478 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from vault12 (dsl-235-27.stwr.brightok.net [205.162.235.27]) by wastelandranger.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QJeTb00709 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:40:29 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020126134059.00976e10@wastelandranger.org> X-Sender: jga@wastelandranger.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:43:07 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Joseph Anthony Subject: 4.5RC3 IPFW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I just cvsup'ed stable to 4.5RC last night. Everything works, but when I do a ipfw show, I get no dynamic rules, I'm using the simple filewall with slight mods that worked before in 4.4-RELEASE. It also shows empty under Dynamic Rules when I do a ipfw -d show. Is this normal? Or is it broken? -- | Joseph Anthony | http://www.wastelandranger.org | jga@wastelandranger.org | ICQ #3923267 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 11:48: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (sapphire.tenebras.com [66.92.188.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B94C37B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:47:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tenebras.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sapphire.tenebras.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QJlmN58589; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:47:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Message-ID: <3C5307DF.774F2D2F@tenebras.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:47:43 -0800 From: Michael Sierchio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Anthony Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5RC3 IPFW References: <4.2.0.58.20020126134059.00976e10@wastelandranger.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joseph Anthony wrote: > > Ok, I just cvsup'ed stable to 4.5RC last night. Everything works, but when > I do a ipfw show, I get no dynamic rules, I'm using the simple filewall > with slight mods that worked before in 4.4-RELEASE. It also shows empty > under Dynamic Rules when I do a ipfw -d show. Is this normal? Or is it broken? Feature change. The man page changed too... -d While listing, show dynamic rules in addition to static ones. -e While listing, if the -d option was specified, also show expired dynamic rules. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 11:48:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wastelandranger.org (germania.inboxinc.com [205.162.236.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5760C37B402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:48:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from vault12 (dsl-235-27.stwr.brightok.net [205.162.235.27]) by wastelandranger.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QJlXb00740 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:47:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020126134953.00974ad0@wastelandranger.org> X-Sender: jga@wastelandranger.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:50:11 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Joseph Anthony Subject: 4.5RC3 IPFW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I used to get like 255 lines of dynamic rules with 4.4-RELEASE, and I get some as well on a 4.4-RELEASE-p4 box, but none at all.. it's generated from: # Allow DNS queries out in the world ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} to any 53 keep-state # Allow NTP queries out in the world ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${oip} to any 123 keep-state -- | Joseph Anthony | http://www.wastelandranger.org | jga@wastelandranger.org | ICQ #3923267 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 11:49:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wastelandranger.org (germania.inboxinc.com [205.162.236.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77DE37B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:49:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from vault12 (dsl-235-27.stwr.brightok.net [205.162.235.27]) by wastelandranger.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QJmtb00752; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:48:56 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20020126135047.0097c310@wastelandranger.org> X-Sender: jga@wastelandranger.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:51:34 -0600 To: Michael Sierchio From: Joseph Anthony Subject: Re: 4.5RC3 IPFW Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3C5307DF.774F2D2F@tenebras.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20020126134059.00976e10@wastelandranger.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ahhh ok, ipfw -de show works.. it shows them now that way. At 11:47 AM 1/26/02 -0800, Michael Sierchio wrote: >Joseph Anthony wrote: > > > > Ok, I just cvsup'ed stable to 4.5RC last night. Everything works, but when > > I do a ipfw show, I get no dynamic rules, I'm using the simple filewall > > with slight mods that worked before in 4.4-RELEASE. It also shows empty > > under Dynamic Rules when I do a ipfw -d show. Is this normal? Or is it > broken? > >Feature change. The man page changed too... > > > -d While listing, show dynamic rules in addition to static ones. > > -e While listing, if the -d option was specified, also show expired > dynamic rules. -- | Joseph Anthony | http://www.wastelandranger.org | jga@wastelandranger.org | ICQ #3923267 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 13: 4:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tgd.net (mail.tgd.net [209.81.25.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE237B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.tgd.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3356720F0A; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:46:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:46:01 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: make world fails on Perl version... Message-ID: <20020126124601.A80985@ninja1.internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i X-PGP-Key: 0x1EDDFAAD X-PGP-Fingerprint: C665 A17F 9A56 286C 5CFB 1DEA 9F4F 5CEF 1EDD FAAD X-Web-Homepage: http://sean.chittenden.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Perl's failing to build on my system. I've deleted both obj and src and re-cvsup'ed, but am still having problems. Any ideas? I've searched the archives and on google and wasn't able to find much in the way of help. The build failure I'm getting is below. -sc /usr/obj/opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/../miniperl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/o= pt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/lib -e 'use AutoSplit; autosplit_lib_modul= es(@ARGV)' lib/*.pm lib/*/*.pm AutoSplitting lib/Getopt/Long.pm (lib/auto/Getopt/Long) ln -sf /opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/../../../../contrib/perl5/pod/pod2= man.PL /usr/obj/opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/../miniperl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/o= pt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/lib pod2man.PL Perl lib version (5.00503) doesn't match executable version (5.00503) at /u= sr/obj/opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library/lib/Config.pm line 7. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at pod2man.PL line 3. *** Error code 255 Stop in /opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/library. *** Error code 1 Stop in /opt/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl. *** Error code 1 --=20 Sean Chittenden --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Sean Chittenden iEYEARECAAYFAjxTFYkACgkQn09c7x7d+q1WBgCfWZrpVTERcR56b9HDgx+/6jVa jj8An0shgVgVGVZrG/MdY1VP1aioRWo6 =UBbi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 15: 5:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0808237B41C for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020126230533.GRVS3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: <3C533643.E161CC67@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:05:39 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just put a new 30GB drive in my test machine (Maxtor IDE). When I tried to install, fdisk didn't get the drive size right. So I used the 'G' option and set the drive geometry manually. The summary at the top of the screen looked correct after that, but the 'C' create option apparently didn't get updated, and wouldn't let me create more than a 2GB partition. Anyone have ideas? Thanks Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 15:37:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B08B37B402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 660 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2002 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from p5086eee8.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO forge.local) (80.134.238.232) by mail.gmx.net (mp008-rz3) with SMTP; 26 Jan 2002 23:37:09 -0000 Received: from tmm by forge.local with local (Exim 3.30 #1) id 16UcNh-0001la-00; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:37:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:37:09 +0100 From: Thomas Moestl To: Martin Blapp Cc: Greg Lehey , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 Message-ID: <20020126233709.GA459@crow.dom2ip.de> Mail-Followup-To: Martin Blapp , Greg Lehey , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <20020125131225.E4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020125111624.S47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020125111624.S47234-100000@levais.imp.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 2002/01/25 at 11:38:31 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > vinum create /root/configfile twice ! makes STABLE 4.5RC3 crashing with a double > fault. I guess we should fix that. I'm makeing now a debug kernel. I've had a quick look at Martin's crash dump; the double fault is caused by a longjmp() that restores an invalid %esp. By accessing the stack that is to be restored by longjmp before actually setting %esp, I was able to get a usable trace (showing the vinum-relevant parts only): longjmp(c034a120,0,0,c1c31af4,3) at longjmp+0x7 throw_rude_remark(0,c02dbfc0,c1c41406,c1c31b84,c1c31af4) at throw_rude_remark+0x11a config_drive(0,0,c1c5c900,cfb99d64,c018d3c1) at config_drive+0x1ef parse_config(c1c41400,c0310d54,0,0,cfb99d8c) at parse_config+0x72 parse_user_config(c1c41400,c0310d54,c02dd0a0,cd4398a0,cfb99d78) at parse_user_config+0x19 vinumioctl(c1c5c900,c4004640,c1c41400,3,cd4398a0) at vinumioctl+0x2fe Apparently, this process slept in disk I/O initiated by vinum_read_label(); meanwhile, the vinum process forked in start_daemon() was scheduled and performed an ioctl() to find out whether the daemon was running. In this case, it was, so it exited. After some time, the other process is woken up because the I/O finished. vinum_read_label() returned DL_WRONG_DRIVE, so eventually throw_rude_remark() was called, which tried to longjmp() back to vinumioctl(). However, because vinumioctl() was called by another process in between, command_fail had been overwritten (it is a global variable). The stack referenced in that jmpbuf was unmapped when that process exited, so the result was a double fault. Greg, Martin should the crash dump I'm talking about available if you would like to take a look (the kernel in question has longjmp debugging code and a few printf()s added). - thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 15:58:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D2337B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE9278312; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:28:34 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:28:34 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Martin Blapp Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: double fault with vinum and 4.5 RC3 Message-ID: <20020127102834.A12125@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020126102058.U4778@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020126142837.F64398-100000@levais.imp.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020126142837.F64398-100000@levais.imp.ch> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, 26 January 2002 at 14:37:45 +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > Hi Greg, > >> >> You still haven't explained why you're doing this. > > /var and docsisvar both need bondarys. /var contains a mailspool, > and /docsis/var contains statistics. > > I cannot have them all on the same partition, since that can fill up > the main /docsis partition quickly, so important services will fail. It seems that you misunderstand the purpose of subdisks. That's what they exist for, so that you can have multiple volumes in a single drive. You should only have one drive per spindle. >> You need a disk first. > > I have a disk ! but vinum does not like it it seems ;-) Not in the evidence you showed me. >> There's no such thing as a master or a slave disk in Vinum. > > I know. This was just to "visualize" the problem a bit more. Yes, but it seems that it has confused the issue. >> This is not necssary. > > Until this problem is fixed, it is (for me at least) I can't recall what you're referring to, but if it's changing IDs and reconfiguring, it's not going to help you fix it. >> No. It's all based on a misunderstanding of how Vinum works. > > Huh ? I'n my opinion vinum should just deal fine with the described > procedure which crashes vinum. No, you're doing lots of things which aren't necessary, and coming to conclusions which are incorrect. >> I'll wait for the dumps of the situations you show above. We should >> also check the hangs. > > I have now a crashdump for you available. More in private mail, ok ? Fine, I've seen that. I'll see what I can do. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 16:33:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D548437B416 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020127003342.JDYI3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3C534AEB.A24D9707@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:33:47 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk References: <3C533643.E161CC67@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Halpin wrote: > > I just put a new 30GB drive in my test machine (Maxtor IDE). When I > tried to install, fdisk didn't get the drive size right. So I used the > 'G' option and set the drive geometry manually. The summary at the top > of the screen looked correct after that, but the 'C' create option > apparently didn't get updated, and wouldn't let me create more than a > 2GB partition. A little more detail: Both Windows and Linux installation programs recognised the disk size correctly. The BIOS likewise gives the correct size and says it's in LBA mode (which it is). I had RedHat 7.1 installed on the disk previously. I first booted from a 4.5RC2 iso image I had successfully used before. Then I tried creating a DOS partition and installing DOS first, then tried the 4.5RC2 CD again. No go. Then I downloaded new boot floppy images from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ but they had the same problem. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 17:41: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909F337B402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16628; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:40:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3C535AA5.5060803@owt.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 17:40:53 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Halpin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk References: <3C533643.E161CC67@attbi.com> <3C534AEB.A24D9707@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joe Halpin wrote: > Joe Halpin wrote: > >>I just put a new 30GB drive in my test machine (Maxtor IDE). When I >>tried to install, fdisk didn't get the drive size right. So I used the >>'G' option and set the drive geometry manually. The summary at the top >>of the screen looked correct after that, but the 'C' create option >>apparently didn't get updated, and wouldn't let me create more than a >>2GB partition. >> > > A little more detail: > > Both Windows and Linux installation programs recognised the disk size > correctly. The BIOS likewise gives the correct size and says it's in LBA > mode (which it is). > > I had RedHat 7.1 installed on the disk previously. I first booted from a > 4.5RC2 iso image I had successfully used before. Then I tried creating a > DOS partition and installing DOS first, then tried the 4.5RC2 CD again. > No go. > > Then I downloaded new boot floppy images from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ > but they had the same problem. Check the jumpers on the HD and see if you have csel selected. It comes that way on some of the drives and the 2GB is a symptom. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 18:30: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6276737B400; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12342; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:18:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, John Baldwin wrote: > A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable for the i386 > architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be used when booting. I used the RC1 cdboot to install FreeBSD in vmware on my ASUS Thunder K7 running win2k. It worked fine although it was very slow to boot (even after recompiling the kernel, it's slow). Slow is 20 or 30 minutes....I have no clue about why this is the case, but I assume once installed, it doesn't matter how it got there. I gave the virtual machine 256MB RAM and highest possible priority and it runs nicely once it succeeds in booting--quick kernel compile, and it built the locate database for 700MB of stuff in about 20 seconds. Annelise -- Annelise Anderson Author of: FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for Your PC Available from: BSDmall.com and amazon.com Book Website: http://www.bittreepress.com/FreeBSD/introbook/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 19:25:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pony-express.cs.rit.edu (pony-express.cs.rit.edu [129.21.30.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AEE37B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.cs.rit.edu (holly [129.21.30.35]) by pony-express.cs.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17495 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jah4007@localhost) by holly.cs.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26305 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:25:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:25:21 -0500 From: "James A Halstead ;001;icsg3;" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: panic: nfs_fsync: not dirty Message-ID: <20020127032521.GA23223@holly.cs.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I left portupgrade running upgrading a bunch of ports (/usr/ports is nfs mounted) and came back just in time to see my box reboot, last message in the log was: Jan 26 21:24:58 x /kernel: panic: nfs_fsync: not dirty Jan 26 21:24:58 x /kernel: Jan 26 21:24:58 x /kernel: syncing disks... 35 4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 First panic I have seen under stable on this box ever. I build world and ports all the time with ports and src tree nfs mounted to another box. I have debugger in kernel, but the machine had just rebooted when I noticed. If it happens again I will try to get more info. I think I cvsup'd this box Thursday or Friday and it has the newest version of src/sys/nfs/nfs_vnops.c, (version 1.150.2.5) Sorry not to have any real info, but since release is getting closer I wanted to at least get this out. James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 19:34:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from academy.nsnet.cz (framiex.casablanca.cz [217.11.225.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE3D837B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 89344 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2002 04:34:10 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO mikulas.com) (212.65.243.246) by framiex.casablanca.cz with SMTP; 27 Jan 2002 04:34:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3C53749D.4020009@mikulas.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:31:41 +0100 From: Jiri Mikulas Reply-To: jiri@mikulas.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20011221 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: GNU ld + cvsuped stable RC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi all. today i had cvsup sources with stable-supfile buildworld , kernel and all makes and reboots went normal .., now i have FreeBSD acad.nsnet.cz 4.5-RC FreeBSD 4.5-RC #0: Sat Jan 26 21:55:49 CET 2002 root@acad.nsnet.cz:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ACAD i386 but now when i can compile some ports it returns me this message .. from last stable ports --------------------------------------------- .... ltconfig:958: checking if cc static flag -static works ltconfig:959: cc -o conftest -O -pipe -static conftest.c 1>&5 GNU ld version 2.11.2 20010719 [FreeBSD] (with BFD 2.11.2 20010719 [FreeBSD]) (end of "config.log") *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/databases/mysql323-server. *** Error code 1 ---------------------------------------------- also the same with openldap2 port and some others ...... what does it mean ? thanks for help. Jiri. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 20:11:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6BC37B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from attbi.com ([12.237.33.57]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020127041146.MNAC10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@attbi.com> for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 04:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3C537E08.75C8A1B5@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:11:52 -0600 From: Joe Halpin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk References: <3C533643.E161CC67@attbi.com> <3C534AEB.A24D9707@attbi.com> <3C535AA5.5060803@owt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kent Stewart wrote: > > Joe Halpin wrote: > > > Joe Halpin wrote: > > > >>I just put a new 30GB drive in my test machine (Maxtor IDE). When I > >>tried to install, fdisk didn't get the drive size right. So I used the > >>'G' option and set the drive geometry manually. The summary at the top > >>of the screen looked correct after that, but the 'C' create option > >>apparently didn't get updated, and wouldn't let me create more than a > >>2GB partition. > >> > > > > A little more detail: > > > > Both Windows and Linux installation programs recognised the disk size > > correctly. The BIOS likewise gives the correct size and says it's in LBA > > mode (which it is). > > > > I had RedHat 7.1 installed on the disk previously. I first booted from a > > 4.5RC2 iso image I had successfully used before. Then I tried creating a > > DOS partition and installing DOS first, then tried the 4.5RC2 CD again. > > No go. > > > > Then I downloaded new boot floppy images from ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/ > > but they had the same problem. > > Check the jumpers on the HD and see if you have csel selected. It > comes that way on some of the drives and the 2GB is a symptom. I double-checked the instructions that came with the drive and it looked like it was setup correctly as a master (there is no second HD at this point). However, after looking looking through the box the drive came in, and finding another data sheet, I saw a different set of jumper settings. I tried those, and fdisk now recognizes the correct drive size. I don't know much about hardware, but I'm at a loss to know why there would be two different sets of instructions for setting jumpers on one hard drive. At any rate, thanks very much, the jumper settings were the problem. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 20:23:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter2.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64EB37B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:23:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0R4Nbv09825; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:23:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:23:37 -0600 (CST) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: john@jupiter.linuxengine.net To: Joe Halpin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk In-Reply-To: <3C537E08.75C8A1B5@attbi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Joe Halpin wrote: > > Joe Halpin wrote: > > > I don't know much about hardware, but I'm at a loss to know why there > would be two different sets of instructions for setting jumpers on one > hard drive. because shipping clerks dont pay attention! ( former shipping clerk! ) -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 20:38:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rutger.owt.com (rutger.owt.com [204.118.6.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5852537B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from owt.com (owt-207-41-94-232.owt.com [207.41.94.232]) by rutger.owt.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30518; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:38:09 -0800 Message-ID: <3C538430.6050606@owt.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:38:08 -0800 From: Kent Stewart User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011128 Netscape6/6.2.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Utz Cc: Joe Halpin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD install doesn't see the whole disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Utz wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Joe Halpin wrote: > > >>>Joe Halpin wrote: >>> >>> >>I don't know much about hardware, but I'm at a loss to know why there >>would be two different sets of instructions for setting jumpers on one >>hard drive. >> > > because shipping clerks dont pay attention! > > ( former shipping clerk! ) There is more to it. Maxtor purchased Quantum and is shipping those drives in Maxtor boxes. Maxtor drives are dynamic and change with time. The instructions outside of the static bag historically just don't count. The boxes are in one line and the hardware comes in a different line. They don't necessarily switch at the same point. It is sort of like buying Windows software. You don't install anything until you have checked the vendor's web site to see what fixes have been released. The first patch may be out before you can purchase the first release at a retail outlet. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 20:51:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E693837B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0R4pkd18540; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:51:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 20:51:46 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Sergey Gershtein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[4]: Strange lock-ups during backup over nfs after adding 1024M RAM In-Reply-To: <0863311696.20020125105552@ur.ru> Message-ID: <20020126204941.H17540-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > On Friday, January 25, 2002 you wrote: > DW> On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Sergey Gershtein wrote: > > >> It's a rather heavily loaded web server (average of 25 requests/sec, > >> 100kb/sec), so I guess it's a lot of network. Could you please point > >> me to the right direction where to read about mbuf monitoring? I > >> found some info in the Handbook (6.10 Tuning Kernel Limits), but there > >> are not much unfortunately. > > DW> 'netstat -m', watch these lines: > DW> 131/864/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > DW> 128/172/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > > DW> You want to keep the second number about 80% of the third number. If it > DW> gets too close bump the kernel tunables kern.mbufs and kern.nmbclusters > DW> (or set options MBUFS and NMBCLUSTERS in the kernel config). > > Today the lock-up happened again during backup over nfs with no sign > in any log files or on console. It was running 4.4-STABLE kernel > cvsuped yesterday with MAXUSERS 128 and NMBCLUSTERS=8192... Any ideas > on where to look? Get a serial console. Something may be logged but since it doesn't sync to disk you can't see it afterwards. > The strange thins is that we have another server with exactly the same > hardware and amout of RAM which works fine. The only difference is > that its kernel was compiled with MAXUSERS 1024 for some reason. Do I > really need to bump MAXUSERS so high to handle more than 1Gb of RAM? So *high*? You need to *reduce* it! 128 should work; if that is blowing up on wierd VM failures, start up a crontask that runs 'sysctl vm.zone' and 'netstat -m' every so often and logs the output. That will say what is gobbling up all the space. NFS is also suspicious .. this is after you updated to today's -STABLE? Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:12:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pony-express.cs.rit.edu (pony-express.cs.rit.edu [129.21.30.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C864637B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.cs.rit.edu (holly [129.21.30.35]) by pony-express.cs.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23462 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:12:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jah4007@localhost) by holly.cs.rit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05843 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:12:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:12:14 -0500 From: "James A Halstead ;001;icsg3;" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: panic: nfs_fsync: not dirty Message-ID: <20020127061214.GA4796@holly.cs.rit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I went to try my port build again, and noticed that the filesystem on the nfs server had filled up. Not sure how this relates, but: I did make clean on entire tree, and deleted all distfiles. After waiting for a little while to let softupdates catch up, I noticed that it didn't reclaim much of the space. I unmounted the filesystem to do an fsck, but umount hung in the 'softfl' state, although the filesystem appeared to be unmounted. I tried to do some things, but in the end I had to reboot as the box became too unstable. fsck on reboot gave thousands of UNREF DIR... and UNREF FILE... messages. After reboot finished everything was fine with the filesystem. nfs server looks like it is running 4.5-pre from hmm, end of december... Thought I upgraded that... I do seem to remember having a problem like this with an older version of 4.4-stable when ports filesystem filled up. Although that time I didn't get a panic on the client machine. Any thoughts? I am going to go update my server box now... James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:25: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from westhost43.westhost.net (westhost43.westhost.net [216.71.84.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4F237B402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:24:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (burningclown@localhost) by westhost43.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R6VP211253 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:31:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:31:25 -0600 (CST) From: To: Subject: can't build anything Gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rather than post a whole crudload of error-stuff to the list, I thought I'd post =one example=, and start out by asking whether anyone else has had a general HELL of trying to get anything Gnome-1.4.1b2_1 to build. The latest crap-out I'm experiencing is my latest attempt to build Gnome itself. Here is what's happening: /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: libpng.so.4, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libgdk_imlib.so, may conflict with libpng.so.5 gnome-terminal.o: In function `apply_changes': gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x12e6): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' gnome-terminal.o: In function `new_terminal_cmd': gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x5314): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' gmake[3]: *** [gnome-terminal] Error 1 gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5' gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. If anyone has any ideas how to resolve this, I'd love to hear em. I tried simply moving libpng.so.4 to /tmp, but it actually is needed by (or at least referred to by) other files. Together with all the trouble conflicting libpng versions caused with KDE applications, this makes a lotta pain over one set of libraries! I've been slaving over a hot cpu all night, so pardon the crabbiness -- but shouldn't all the dependencies, etc, be resolved better than this? Sorry, too, if there was stuff on the list that might've helped & I missed it. Glenn Becker +----------------+ http://www.burningclown.com "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" +----------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:41:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F55C37B416 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06006; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:40:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0R6ePo53606; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:40:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15443.41177.259786.242696@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:40:25 -0700 To: Bob K Cc: Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> References: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You know, I continue to be amazed at the attitude that says that things > > should be kept counter-intuitive and anyone who doesn't like it that way > > is ignorant. What possible benefit is there in perpetuating mislabeled > > behavior? > > > > To me, it's very simple: there's this "firewall_enable" option in rc.conf, > > and I think that reasonable people would infer that if you set it to "no" > > it meant that you didn't want a firewall enabled(based on the name of the > > variable), yet that is not what happens. > > > > All the documentation reading in the world isn't going to make me think it's a > > good idea to have "no" mean "yes" and I certainly don't think it's useful or > > helpful to cast aspersions on individuals who want "no" to actually mean "no." > > The problem is that you're not taking into account the installed base of > users who twiddle this knob. How many angry firewall admins will come > into being when the behaviour suddenly stops being, "don't load any > firewall rules" and starts being, "disable the firewall"? I'm guessing the number of firewall admins who have 'firewall_enable=NO' in their configuration file is 0. No-one in their right mind has configured a firewall with no rules, and those that have are using the wide-open ruleset, which is the same as having no firewall. Methinks you're exaggerating the effects of changing the default just a tad bit. :) :) :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:44:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B78037B400; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06145; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:44:19 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0R6hqu53621; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:43:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15443.41384.226640.462561@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:43:52 -0700 To: "Crist J. Clark" Cc: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> References: <20020124201411.A39351-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020124220302.N87663@blossom.cjclark.org> <002b01c1a5a7$67200e00$3028680a@tgt.com> <20020125160846.A14394@blossom.cjclark.org> <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But there may be people running systems out there with > 'firewall_enable="NO"' and compiled-in firewalls. This is a straw-man. This requires kernel changes, and anyone willing to do kernel changes just to install different firewall rules deserves to get the rug yanked out from under them. > Because I can't think of a workable configuration that would be set up > this way, it doesn't mean there are not any. There aren't any systems in useful use that would be effected by this change. If you don't get around to it, I might. :) :) :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:48: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAC837B400; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06296; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:48:05 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0R6lkr53640; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:47:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15443.41618.157705.409144@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:47:46 -0700 To: Ian Dowse Cc: "Crist J. Clark" , "Thomas T. Veldhouse" , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20020125190552.E14394@blossom.cjclark.org> <200201261349.aa24682@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >But the current behavior of the two is inconsistent if > >'firewall_enable="NO".' If you have a staticly compiled firewall, you > >have a brick. If you don't you have a wide-open machine. The change > >would make it wide open in both cases. That is, when you do not have > >firewall_enable enabling firewalling, you don't have a firewall. (period) > > We have numerous machines with firewall_enable="NO" (because we > don't want the rc scripts to touch the firewall config) and both > `options IPFIREWALL' and `options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT' in > the kernel config. A trivial firewall/dummynet configuration is > set up in rc.local. In essence, you don't have a firewall, but a NAT setup. The error here is that it just so happens that NAT is implemented in the firewall code in FreeBSD. IMO, this should be configured differently. But, you bring up a good point. > In general, xxx="NO" in rc.conf means "dont start xxx", it doesn't > mean "don't start xxx, and if there is one running, kill it", i.e. > ="NO" is an instruction to the rc scripts to do nothing (I'm sure > there are a few exceptions). Except that the firewall isn't something that needs to be started/stopped. > I think the existing firewall_enable > behaviour is consistent with this, but a new "DISABLE" option could > be added without any problems. Agreed. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:48:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F54C37B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from johncoop.MSHOME (drumheller-router.bmi.net [206.63.201.3] (may be forged)) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07369; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:10 -0800 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:09 -0800 From: John Merryweather Cooper To: burningclown@westhost43.westhost.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't build anything Gnome Message-ID: <20020126224809.E22187@johncoop.MSHOME> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: ; from burningclown@westhost43.westhost.net on Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 22:31:25 -0800 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.0 Lines: 122 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not much a GNOME problem really. Your tree has inconsistent shared libraries in it. For example, with multiple versions of libpng installed (which you clearly have), it's a miracle much of anything works. Although reasonable minds may differ, I like portupgrade. One way to solve your problem (there are many others) is to: 1) install portupgrade 2) read the documentation 3) run pkgdb -FuU (or a commandline similar to above) 4) run portsclean -D (to get rid of obsolote shared libraries) 4a) run cvsup to update the ports tree 5) run pkgdb as above again (important to have a consistent database) 6) run portupgrade -a (to update all your installed ports to the most recent version) 7) deinstall all ORBit ports that you have installed (if they are) 8) install the GNOME meta-port in x11/gnome Things should work better after this . . . On 2002.01.26 22:31 burningclown@westhost43.westhost.net wrote: > > Rather than post a whole crudload of error-stuff to the list, I > thought > I'd post =one example=, and start out by asking whether anyone else > has > had a general HELL of trying to get anything Gnome-1.4.1b2_1 to build. > The > latest crap-out I'm experiencing is my latest attempt to build Gnome > itself. Here is what's happening: > > /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: libpng.so.4, needed by > /usr/X11R6/lib/libgdk_imlib.so, may conflict with libpng.so.5 > gnome-terminal.o: In function `apply_changes': > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x12e6): undefined reference to > `zvt_term_set_open_im' > gnome-terminal.o: In function `new_terminal_cmd': > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x5314): undefined reference to > `zvt_term_set_open_im' > gmake[3]: *** [gnome-terminal] Error 1 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' > gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5' > gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > > If anyone has any ideas how to resolve this, I'd love to hear em. I > tried > simply moving libpng.so.4 to /tmp, but it actually is needed by (or at > > least referred to by) other files. > > Together with all the trouble conflicting libpng versions caused with > KDE > applications, this makes a lotta pain over one set of libraries! > > I've been slaving over a hot cpu all night, so pardon the crabbiness > -- > but shouldn't all the dependencies, etc, be resolved better than this? > > Sorry, too, if there was stuff on the list that might've helped & I > missed > it. > > Glenn Becker > > +----------------+ > http://www.burningclown.com > "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" > +----------------+ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- _ | |V| / ' || MacroHard -- \ \_| | | \_, || the perfection of form over | ----------------------------------|| substance, marketing over | Web: http://www.borgsdemons.com || performance, and greed over | AIM: johnmcooper || design . . . | =====================================================================/ Public Key: http://www.borgsdemons.com/Personal/pgpkey.asc | =====================================================================\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:49:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu57-28-046.nc.rr.com [66.57.28.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CCD37B416 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from shumai.marcuscom.com (marcus@shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) by creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R6lNZ03558; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:47:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@marcuscom.com) Subject: Re: can't build anything Gnome From: Joe Clarke To: burningclown@westhost43.westhost.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 27 Jan 2002 01:49:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1012114141.96236.11.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 2002-01-27 at 01:31, burningclown@westhost43.westhost.net wrote: > > Rather than post a whole crudload of error-stuff to the list, I thought > I'd post =one example=, and start out by asking whether anyone else has > had a general HELL of trying to get anything Gnome-1.4.1b2_1 to build. The > latest crap-out I'm experiencing is my latest attempt to build Gnome > itself. Here is what's happening: A better list to send GNOME-related problems to is freebsd-gnome@ > > /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: libpng.so.4, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libgdk_imlib.so, may conflict with libpng.so.5 > gnome-terminal.o: In function `apply_changes': > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x12e6): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' > gnome-terminal.o: In function `new_terminal_cmd': > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x5314): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' > gmake[3]: *** [gnome-terminal] Error 1 Looks like you may have some out-of-date ports. GNOME is really particular about everything being in sync, and up-to-date. Verify the versions of Imlib and png you have installed. They should be: imlib-1.9.11 png-1.2.1 Keeping the old libpng around to handle older dependencies isn't too big of a deal, but Imlib should really be rebuilt to link against libpng 1.2.1. Also, what version of gnomelibs do you have installed? You should have: gnomelibs-1.4.1.3 > gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' > gmake[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5/gnome-terminal' > gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnomecore/work/gnome-core-1.4.0.5' > gmake: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnomecore. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/gnome. > > If anyone has any ideas how to resolve this, I'd love to hear em. I tried > simply moving libpng.so.4 to /tmp, but it actually is needed by (or at > least referred to by) other files. > > Together with all the trouble conflicting libpng versions caused with KDE > applications, this makes a lotta pain over one set of libraries! > > I've been slaving over a hot cpu all night, so pardon the crabbiness -- > but shouldn't all the dependencies, etc, be resolved better than this? > Sorry, too, if there was stuff on the list that might've helped & I missed > it. Yeah, sometimes lib updates may get missed when upgrading GNOME. However, the portupgrade tool can help alleviate some of the problems. To get the core GNOME components, a good trick is: portupgrade -r ORBit To get all the glib stuff: portupgrade -r pkgconfig You might do the same with png: portupgrade -r png Of course, sometimes builds are broken, and you have to force the upgrade with the -f flag to portupgrade. To reassure you, I have GNOME built and running smoothly on 4.5-RC3. A group of us are also working on a FreeBSD GNOME site to help with build and porting problems. Until we move it to FreeBSD.ORG, you can find it at http://www.marcuscom.com/gnome. Joe > > Glenn Becker > > +----------------+ > http://www.burningclown.com > "Everyone's Portal to Nothing At All" > +----------------+ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:55:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from westhost43.westhost.net (westhost43.westhost.net [216.71.84.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1293937B416 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:55:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (burningclown@localhost) by westhost43.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R71rW15620; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:01:53 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:01:53 -0600 (CST) From: To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: Subject: Re: can't build anything Gnome In-Reply-To: <20020126224809.E22187@johncoop.MSHOME> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks! -g On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > Not much a GNOME problem really. Your tree has inconsistent shared > libraries in it. For example, with multiple versions of libpng > installed (which you clearly have), it's a miracle much of anything > works. > > Although reasonable minds may differ, I like portupgrade. One way to > solve your problem (there are many others) is to: > > 1) install portupgrade > 2) read the documentation > 3) run pkgdb -FuU (or a commandline similar to above) > 4) run portsclean -D (to get rid of obsolote shared libraries) > 4a) run cvsup to update the ports tree > 5) run pkgdb as above again (important to have a consistent database) > 6) run portupgrade -a (to update all your installed ports to the most > recent version) > 7) deinstall all ORBit ports that you have installed (if they are) > 8) install the GNOME meta-port in x11/gnome > > Things should work better after this . . . > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 22:56:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from westhost43.westhost.net (westhost43.westhost.net [216.71.84.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C96837B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (burningclown@localhost) by westhost43.westhost.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R72bn15684; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:02:37 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 01:02:37 -0600 (CST) From: To: Joe Clarke Cc: Subject: Re: can't build anything Gnome In-Reply-To: <1012114141.96236.11.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you! gb > A better list to send GNOME-related problems to is freebsd-gnome@ > > > > > /usr/libexec/elf/ld: warning: libpng.so.4, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib/libgdk_imlib.so, may conflict with libpng.so.5 > > gnome-terminal.o: In function `apply_changes': > > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x12e6): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' > > gnome-terminal.o: In function `new_terminal_cmd': > > gnome-terminal.o(.text+0x5314): undefined reference to `zvt_term_set_open_im' > > gmake[3]: *** [gnome-terminal] Error 1 > > Looks like you may have some out-of-date ports. GNOME is really > particular about everything being in sync, and up-to-date. Verify the > versions of Imlib and png you have installed. They should be: > > imlib-1.9.11 > png-1.2.1 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 23: 2:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sapphire.tenebras.com (sapphire.tenebras.com [66.92.188.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4AD37B41C for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:02:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from tenebras.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sapphire.tenebras.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R70tN69858; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:00:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Message-ID: <3C53A5A2.A5F8FBD6@tenebras.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:00:50 -0800 From: Michael Sierchio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nate Williams Cc: Bob K , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness References: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> <15443.41177.259786.242696@caddis.yogotech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nate Williams wrote: > I'm guessing the number of firewall admins who have 'firewall_enable=NO' > in their configuration file is 0. Well... I start it in my setup script that enables the 802.11 interface, so I have it (and natd_enable) set to "NO" -- a peculiar case, the exception which proves you right, etc. I need both PCMCIA interfaces up before I start these, and the standard rc scripts don't provide a good way of doing this with more than one pccard interface (it's an old laptop that serves as my SMTP and DNS host, it has a built-in UPS aka a battery). The PCCARD stuff is somewhat non-deterministic and asynchronous in when the daemon actually gets the interfaces up, so... Yes, yes -- experienced professionals rarely go naked in say, Toronto, in January. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 23: 4:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C9637B42A for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:04:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06949; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:04:11 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0R74As53785; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:04:10 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15443.42601.781625.356369@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:04:09 -0700 To: Michael Sierchio Cc: Nate Williams , Bob K , Patrick Greenwell , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <3C53A5A2.A5F8FBD6@tenebras.com> References: <000c01c1a5ff$a4539870$0101a8c0@cascade> <20020125165307.C54729-100000@rockstar.stealthgeeks.net> <20020125203328.A454@yip.org> <15443.41177.259786.242696@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C53A5A2.A5F8FBD6@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I'm guessing the number of firewall admins who have 'firewall_enable=NO' > > in their configuration file is 0. > > Well... I start it in my setup script that enables the 802.11 > interface, so I have it (and natd_enable) set to "NO" -- a > peculiar case, the exception which proves you right, etc. > I need both PCMCIA interfaces up before I start these, and > the standard rc scripts don't provide a good way of doing > this with more than one pccard interface (it's an old > laptop that serves as my SMTP and DNS host, it has a built-in > UPS aka a battery). Sure it does. Add '-z' to pccard_flags, and both cards will be setup and completely configured *before* the firewall needs to be enabled. (Been there, doing that right now on my laptop). > The PCCARD stuff is somewhat non-deterministic and asynchronous > in when the daemon actually gets the interfaces up, so... See above. It can easily be done in a more standard way. (One can argue that the '-z' should be the default flag, but so far I've failed to convince Warner of this fact. :) :) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 23:25:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBE537B420 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R7PRo10561; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:25:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R7PQx79039; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:25:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:23:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020127.002337.37328950.imp@village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <15443.42601.781625.356369@caddis.yogotech.com> References: <15443.41177.259786.242696@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C53A5A2.A5F8FBD6@tenebras.com> <15443.42601.781625.356369@caddis.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You still haven't responded to my comment that I have it setup like this on some of my boxes so that I can do things that don't fit in well with the current firewall paradigm. Nor to my comment that we shouldn't be changing a security feature in a fail*UN*safe way. I'll grant that I might be in the minority here, but I sure don't want my the ability to use my firewall going away after my "next" mergemaster change because you were helpful and unloaded/disabled stuff for me. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 23:30:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D33E37B404 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:30:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from caddis.yogotech.com (caddis.yogotech.com [206.127.123.130]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07954; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:30:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by caddis.yogotech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0R7U6T54416; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:30:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15443.44156.595426.139371@caddis.yogotech.com> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:30:04 -0700 To: "M. Warner Losh" Cc: nate@yogotech.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness In-Reply-To: <20020127.002337.37328950.imp@village.org> References: <15443.41177.259786.242696@caddis.yogotech.com> <3C53A5A2.A5F8FBD6@tenebras.com> <15443.42601.781625.356369@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020127.002337.37328950.imp@village.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You still haven't responded to my comment that I have it setup like > this on some of my boxes so that I can do things that don't fit in > well with the current firewall paradigm. Nor to my comment that we > shouldn't be changing a security feature in a fail*UN*safe way. Explain to me how disabling the firewall with 'FIREWALL_ENABLE=NO' can be unsafe? Can you show me *ANY* system that uses a closed down firewall that also has FIREWALL_ENABLE=NO? That would be the only 'safe->unsafe' transition, since otherwise the default firewall setup is wide-open. > I'll grant that I might be in the minority here, but I sure don't want > my the ability to use my firewall going away after my "next" > mergemaster change because you were helpful and unloaded/disabled > stuff for me. Fixing something that's broken is still fixing something. If you don't want a firewall, then why have it activated and enabled? (This is a rhetorical question.) Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Jan 26 23:48:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289F937B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:48:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0R7mpo10697; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:48:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0R7mjx79156; Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:48:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:46:56 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020127.004656.53474822.imp@village.org> To: nate@yogotech.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Firewall config non-intuitiveness From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <15443.44156.595426.139371@caddis.yogotech.com> References: <15443.42601.781625.356369@caddis.yogotech.com> <20020127.002337.37328950.imp@village.org> <15443.44156.595426.139371@caddis.yogotech.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <15443.44156.595426.139371@caddis.yogotech.com> Nate Williams writes: : > You still haven't responded to my comment that I have it setup like : > this on some of my boxes so that I can do things that don't fit in : > well with the current firewall paradigm. Nor to my comment that we : > shouldn't be changing a security feature in a fail*UN*safe way. : : Explain to me how disabling the firewall with 'FIREWALL_ENABLE=NO' can : be unsafe? Because I have the firewall compiled into my kernel with the setting to not pass any packets. Due to some strange network stuff on my end, I don't load the actual rules until way late in the boot process, later than the normal firewall rules. I go from having the system not passing any packets, to the system passing only those that the firewall rules allow. Most of the reason I do this is because I have to get data on usage patterns from another system, and can't do that early enough in the boot process. The rules I have are dynamic based on how much bandwidth the coop has used so far this month and other conditions that change from time to time. Right now we do default route AFTER we load the firewall rules. However, the usage data is on another machine, not on my local segment. We've also found that the wireless link we have does better when bandwidth limited during bad weather (again, the data isn't on the router, but on another machine not on its local segment). Another reason would be because we would be communicating with a host that accepts only ipsec connections. This too happens after the firewall rules are added. While we don't do this today, it won't be too long into the future before we do do this. : Can you show me *ANY* system that uses a closed down firewall that also : has FIREWALL_ENABLE=NO? That would be the only 'safe->unsafe' : transition, since otherwise the default firewall setup is wide-open. rover.village.org has such a setup today. : > I'll grant that I might be in the minority here, but I sure don't want : > my the ability to use my firewall going away after my "next" : > mergemaster change because you were helpful and unloaded/disabled : > stuff for me. : : Fixing something that's broken is still fixing something. If you don't : want a firewall, then why have it activated and enabled? (This is a : rhetorical question.) Because I don't want the automatic firewall rules to happen at the place in the boot sequence where they happen now. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message