From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 6 20:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D1637B401 for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasmus.uib.no (rasmus.uib.no [129.177.13.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B2C43F3F for ; Sun, 6 Apr 2003 20:36:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no) Received: from (billfish) [129.177.43.16] by rasmus.uib.no for chat@freebsd.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 192NQK-00069H-00; Mon, 07 Apr 2003 05:35:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:35:56 +0200 From: Are-Harald Brenne To: chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030407053556.0000182b.are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.3.0; Win32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on rasmus X-Scanner: 300deb618e82044a7278da99f09846c2 http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -6 hits, 8.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * 0.7 -- BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long * -7.0 -- Message received from UIB Subject: Idea: Easy-to-make Gentoo-like install-iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 03:36:04 -0000 I just got an idea. A Gentoo-like way of installing FreeBSD. Start with a live cd booting Freebsd specially made for this. This should be fairly easy to make based on the work done by the guys behind FreeSBIE, see for example http://www.freesbie.org/?section=doc-en . X is not important and can be dropped. On this cd there is a script that does the following: - Ask for options expert or newbie. If newbie, ask as few questions as possible in the rest of the script. - Prompt for country and based on this set up time, keyboard, charset and ftp mirror site. - Partition a hard drive to install on. Newbie-mode-alternatives: Use whole harddrive or use free space - Swap + / only. - Install the FreeBSD boot manager - Get online. This will be demanding to implement. - Prompt for cpu-type. - cvsup ports and src - Do a vipw-like kernconf-edit in expert mode. For newbies, use GENERIC. - In expert mode, do a vipw-like edit of a list of ports to be installed. For newbies, use a nice predefined list with KDE and a nice theme. - run scripts based on the ones in the 'FreeBSD from scratch' - article on Daemon News http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200302/fbsdscratch.html . This will compile and install the whole system. - Run setup scripts for the ports, most notably XFree86. This will also be demanding to implement. In my little head making all this, at least except the getting online and setting up XF86 - parts, is not terribly much work. And I think/hope it can all be done with bourne shell scripting. What do you think? I would appreciate any comment. Cheers, Are-Harald From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 7 05:31:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D7037B401 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C3343F3F for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 05:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h37CUPBT003682; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 08:30:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030407053556.0000182b.are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no> References: <20030407053556.0000182b.are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:20:19 +0200 To: Are-Harald Brenne From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea: Easy-to-make Gentoo-like install-iso X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 12:31:05 -0000 At 5:35 AM +0200 2003/04/07, Are-Harald Brenne wrote: > - Prompt for country and based on this set up time, keyboard, charset > and ftp mirror site. Perhaps as a default that can be changed, this might be okay. Otherwise, ensure that English/QWERTY is available and selectable in all country definitions. Don't just force me to use either French or Dutch with an AZERTY keyboard layout, just because I live in Belgium. Also, if you're going to go this route, make damn sure you cover all possible languages in the respective country, not just the main languages -- 5% of the population of this country speak only German, and would probably not know what to do with an OS that insisted that they could only speak either French or Dutch, just because they live in Belgium. Moreover, keep in mind that in many countries, you're closer to large parts of other countries than you might be to other parts of your own country. For example, in Belgium, depending on your ISP, you may be closer to sites elsewhere in Europe or even in the US, than you are to other parts of Belgium. Don't just force me to use a Belgian download site as my only choice, just because I happen to live in Belgium. This whole process is a lot more complex than you might think. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 7 20:35:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DD237B401 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holly.machined.net (adsl-208-191-149-232.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [208.191.149.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2746643F93 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@holly.machined.net) Received: by holly.machined.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9720FB5C; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:37:43 -0500 From: Chris Costello To: Anthony Schneider Message-ID: <20030408033743.GC706@holly.machined.net> References: <20030401.204134.48514670.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030405053907.GA6471@x-anthony.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030405053907.GA6471@x-anthony.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-03:99.freebsd-sa X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 03:35:29 -0000 On Saturday, April 05, 2003, Anthony Schneider wrote: > Y"KNOW, sed accepts filenames as arguments. > > (it also really doesn't need the -e) > > > % cat /path/to/FreeBSD-SA-XX:XX.txt.asc\ > > | sed -e 's/FreeBSD-SA-\([0-9]*\):\([0-9]*\)/FreeBSD-SA-19\1:\2/g' Even still, you'd get nailed on comp.unix.shell and comp.unix.admin for this with a UUOC (Useless Use of Cat(1)) award. If for some reason sed(1) did not take a filename argument, then sed EXPR < filename is still cleaner than cat filename | sed EXPR -- Chris Costello FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org/ TrustedBSD Project http://www.TrustedBSD.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 7 22:33:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C0637B421; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gunjin.wccnet.org (gunjin.wccnet.org [198.111.176.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AA643F93; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:33:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anthony@gunjin.wccnet.org) Received: from gunjin.wccnet.org (localhost.rexroof.com [127.0.0.1]) by gunjin.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h385YIsn065297; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from anthony@localhost) by gunjin.wccnet.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h385YIHu065296; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 01:34:18 -0400 From: Anthony Schneider To: Chris Costello Message-ID: <20030408053418.GA64949@x-anthony.com> References: <20030401.204134.48514670.hrs@eos.ocn.ne.jp> <20030405053907.GA6471@x-anthony.com> <20030408033743.GC706@holly.machined.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030408033743.GC706@holly.machined.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-03:99.freebsd-sa X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 05:33:11 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i was trying to restrain myself from UUOC :) > > > % cat /path/to/FreeBSD-SA-XX:XX.txt.asc\ > > > | sed -e 's/FreeBSD-SA-\([0-9]*\):\([0-9]*\)/FreeBSD-SA-19\1:\2/g' >=20 > Even still, you'd get nailed on comp.unix.shell and > comp.unix.admin for this with a UUOC (Useless Use of Cat(1)) > award. If for some reason sed(1) did not take a filename > argument, then >=20 > sed EXPR < filename >=20 > is still cleaner than >=20 > cat filename | sed EXPR >=20 > --=20 > Chris Costello > FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > TrustedBSD Project http://www.TrustedBSD.org/ --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+kl9ZKUeW47UGY2kRArKeAKCWp8JxOOYd2bkAlgky4tdcLfVwdQCfZDmw SYRRTURVScTNG54HaYFOZx0= =fYjL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 02:40:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D4737B404 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tulip.epweb.co.za (tulip.epweb.co.za [196.14.166.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A322743F75 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 02:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ultraviolet@tulip.epweb.co.za) Received: from tulip.epweb.co.za (localhost.epweb.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by tulip.epweb.co.za (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h389dAdf056734 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:39:10 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from ultraviolet@tulip.epweb.co.za) Received: (from ultraviolet@localhost) by tulip.epweb.co.za (8.12.7/8.12.8/Submit) id h389d5wT056733 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:39:05 +0200 (SAST) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:39:04 +0200 From: William Fletcher To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030408093904.GD51036@tulip.epweb.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: `The Matrix`. What did the graphics? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:40:06 -0000 --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. Does anyone know if FreeBSD was actually used to do the graphics for the movie 'The Matrix', if so, what has done the graphics for=20 'The Matrix - Reloaded'. Any other information about it? :)=20 --=20 William Fletcher IRC addict ultraviolet on irc.epweb.co.za FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org/ --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+kpi4ju3fq0dMPxsRAvMFAKCcWgvn3qoK1C4lXMqZMqLTs8055QCdFbNZ D0NbK8aoMasrESVlZEl8KDE= =Gx7H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n2Pv11Ogg/Ox8ay5-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 03:41:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7061337B401 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49BE43F75 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 03:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9713D28; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 06:41:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: William Fletcher Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 06:41:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E926F09.14622.EBAE256@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030408093904.GD51036@tulip.epweb.co.za> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: `The Matrix`. What did the graphics? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 10:41:15 -0000 On 8 Apr 2003 at 11:39, William Fletcher wrote: > Hi. > > Does anyone know if FreeBSD was actually used to do the graphics for > the movie 'The Matrix' > > Any other information about it? :) A google search on "matrix movie freebsd" found this: http://slashdot.org/articles/99/04/25/1718226.shtml So it must be true. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 13:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23D337B401; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D55A43FBF; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h38KMXtF016626; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([67.98.154.9]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HD1KJJ00.1MO; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:21:19 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:21:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: chris@freebsd.org From: Larry Sica In-Reply-To: <20030408033743.GC706@holly.machined.net> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-03:99.freebsd-sa X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:22:34 -0000 On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 11:37 PM, Chris Costello wrote: > On Saturday, April 05, 2003, Anthony Schneider wrote: >> Y"KNOW, sed accepts filenames as arguments. >> >> (it also really doesn't need the -e) >> >>> % cat /path/to/FreeBSD-SA-XX:XX.txt.asc\ >>> | sed -e 's/FreeBSD-SA-\([0-9]*\):\([0-9]*\)/FreeBSD-SA-19\1:\2/g' > > Even still, you'd get nailed on comp.unix.shell and > comp.unix.admin for this with a UUOC (Useless Use of Cat(1)) > award. If for some reason sed(1) did not take a filename > argument, then > > sed EXPR < filename > > is still cleaner than > > cat filename | sed EXPR > but cat looks cooler..the string is longer and therefore means you are l33t ;) --Larry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 14:27:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B12E37B401; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-97.apple.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0691643F93; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomion@mac.com) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h38LR0PE006166; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([67.98.154.9]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HD1NL000.34I; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:27:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:27:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) To: chris@freebsd.org From: Larry Sica In-Reply-To: <20030408033743.GC706@holly.machined.net> Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-03:99.freebsd-sa X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:27:01 -0000 On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 11:37 PM, Chris Costello wrote: > On Saturday, April 05, 2003, Anthony Schneider wrote: >> Y"KNOW, sed accepts filenames as arguments. >> >> (it also really doesn't need the -e) >> >>> % cat /path/to/FreeBSD-SA-XX:XX.txt.asc\ >>> | sed -e 's/FreeBSD-SA-\([0-9]*\):\([0-9]*\)/FreeBSD-SA-19\1:\2/g' > > Even still, you'd get nailed on comp.unix.shell and > comp.unix.admin for this with a UUOC (Useless Use of Cat(1)) > award. If for some reason sed(1) did not take a filename > argument, then > > sed EXPR < filename > > is still cleaner than > > cat filename | sed EXPR > but cat looks cooler..the string is longer and therefore means you are l33t ;) --Larry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 14:53:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0430237B401 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB2343FA3 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5303D28 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:53:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:53:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E930CA5.30714.112296A7@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 21:53:43 -0000 I'm trying to get foo+bar@example.org addresses to work with procmail. My MTA is postfix. I've had a hard time tracking down the information and trial and error has gotten me a working solution. I'm wondering if there is a better way to accomplish this[1]. This type of addressing is often referred to as address extensions. I found one clue at http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net/pm-tips- body.html#using_plus_addressing_foobar. My problem was that I could not get the "bar" bit of the address. But the above URL mentions: "When you receive message from any of these mailing lists to your login account, the list.procmail is already in variable $1 and the recipe to sink all mailing lists to their individual folders is very simple: " The problem was to get a value in $1. The only solution I could see was to resort to "Using Procmail for system-wide local delivery" as found at http://www.postfix.org/faq.html#procmail. I now have this entry in my postfix config file: mailbox_command = /usr/local/bin/procmail -t -a "$EXTENSION" This test procmail recipie now works: ARG = $1 :0 $ARG Mail to foo+bar@ gets put into the bar folder. Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? [1] - with the tools mentioned. Those suggesting a change of MTA will be beaten to death with spam. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 8 17:43:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C905337B401 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC5043F85 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 17:43:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0311.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.56] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1933gl-0003C8-00; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: <3E936C5F.33549B1@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:42:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3E930CA5.30714.112296A7@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4c6f15ae8b6853c820749637d36fdf533667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 00:43:58 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > I'm trying to get foo+bar@example.org addresses to work with > procmail. My MTA is postfix. I've had a hard time tracking down the > information and trial and error has gotten me a working solution. > I'm wondering if there is a better way to accomplish this[1]. You should look at the "Cyrus" mailer. For "plussed" addresses, your MTA/MDA should not consider the portion following the "+" as part of the local address, when doing local address validation, user validation, account validation, etc.. But it should pass the portion following the "+" to the MDA/local delivery agent, IFF the local delivery agent understands "plussed" addresses. The Cyrus "deliver" program (the MDA that comes with the Cyrus distribution) takes that portion as an additional command line argument, in the normal case. I don't know what procmail is/isn't willing to take as additional command line arguments (normally, I use Sieve, not procmail, so that I can automatically direct the mail to a specific IMAP4 mailbox as a result of the plussed addresses and/or Bayesian filtering, etc., without giving users the ability to run code on my systems), but you could always stuff it in the environment before invoking procmail, if that was the only way to get procmail to see it. But either way, you need to modify the MDA invocation by the MTA, on local delivery. I can tell you how to do this with sendmail ("Look at the Cyrus mailer!" 8-)), but I don't know the answer for Postfix or Qmail, or if it's even possible (Sendmail is cool! 8-) 8-)). > This type of addressing is often referred to as address extensions. > I found one clue at http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net/pm-tips- > body.html#using_plus_addressing_foobar. My problem was that I could > not get the "bar" bit of the address. But the above URL mentions: That's because mail.local doesn't take or pass on optional arguments to programs invoked in .forward files. It's an MDA that doesn't support that. There are "mail.local" replacements available on the net, but if you use them, you need to replace the MTA/MDA interface, since it expects to be able to send to multiple local users, simultaneously. The normal way to disable multiple users simultaneously in sendmail is to remove the "m" flag on the "local" mailer. > Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? Don't run procmail globally. Replace your mail.local, if you need to, but don't run procmail globally. > [1] - with the tools mentioned. Those suggesting a change of MTA > will be beaten to death with spam. I suspect you can do this with Postfix, but I'll be damned if I know the dead chicken you would have to wave for it to work. If Postfix actually supports Cyrus IMAP4, rather than just pretending to support it, then "however you have to configure Postfix for Cyrus plussed mailboxes" is the correct answer. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 03:52:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA6A37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 03:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750CB43FAF for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 03:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE113D28; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 06:52:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Terry Lambert Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 06:52:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E93C311.18540.13EB392B@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3E936C5F.33549B1@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:52:03 -0000 On 8 Apr 2003 at 17:42, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > I'm trying to get foo+bar@example.org addresses to work with > > procmail. My MTA is postfix. I've had a hard time tracking down > > the information and trial and error has gotten me a working > > solution. I'm wondering if there is a better way to accomplish > > this[1]. > > You should look at the "Cyrus" mailer. > > For "plussed" addresses, your MTA/MDA should not consider the > portion following the "+" as part of the local address, when > doing local address validation, user validation, account > validation, etc.. But it should pass the portion following > the "+" to the MDA/local delivery agent, IFF the local delivery > agent understands "plussed" addresses. The Cyrus "deliver" > program (the MDA that comes with the Cyrus distribution) takes > that portion as an additional command line argument, in the > normal case. That is what is occuring now. > I don't know what procmail is/isn't willing to take as additional > command line arguments (normally, I use Sieve, not procmail, so that I > can automatically direct the mail to a specific IMAP4 mailbox as a > result of the plussed addresses and/or Bayesian filtering, etc., > without giving users the ability to run code on my systems), but you > could always stuff it in the environment before invoking procmail, if > that was the only way to get procmail to see it. In the URL I quoted, it shows what Postfix supplies via environment variables. > But either way, you need to modify the MDA invocation by the MTA, on > local delivery. Done. And how I did that was in my original message. > I can tell you how to do this with sendmail ("Look at the Cyrus > mailer!" 8-)), but I don't know the answer for Postfix or Qmail, > or if it's even possible (Sendmail is cool! 8-) 8-)). I can tell you.... see my OP. > > This type of addressing is often referred to as address extensions. > > I found one clue at http://pm-doc.sourceforge.net/pm-tips- > > body.html#using_plus_addressing_foobar. My problem was that I could > > not get the "bar" bit of the address. But the above URL mentions: > > That's because mail.local doesn't take or pass on optional > arguments to programs invoked in .forward files. It's an > MDA that doesn't support that. But Postfix does. > There are "mail.local" replacements available on the net, > but if you use them, you need to replace the MTA/MDA interface, > since it expects to be able to send to multiple local users, > simultaneously. The normal way to disable multiple users > simultaneously in sendmail is to remove the "m" flag on the > "local" mailer. I'd rather disturb the existing setup as little as possible. > > Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? > > Don't run procmail globally. Replace your mail.local, if you > need to, but don't run procmail globally. I'm the only user on this system. I'd rather not replace mail.local. FWIW, I'm taking cvs-all mail and pumping it to multiple copies of the Fresh{Ports|Source} database. The procmail script I use is something like this: # a file of the form YYYY.MM.DD.HH.MM.SS.PID.txt # FILE=`date +%Y.%m.%d.%H.%M.%S`.$$.txt ARG = $1 :0 * ARG ?? ^^dev^^|^^test^^ { MSGDIR=$HOME/FreshPorts/$ARG/msgs/FreeBSD TMPDIR=$MSGDIR/spooling :0c : $MSGDIR/raw/$FILE :0 : | cat > $TMPDIR/$FILE && \ mv $TMPDIR/$FILE $MSGDIR/incoming/$FILE } The above ensures the messages wind up in the appropriate directory (i.e. under $HOME/FreshPorts/{dev|test}/msgs/FreeBSD). A copy goes to raw and another one goes to a spooling directory and is then moved to an incoming directory where it is picked up by another "daemon". -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 04:45:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F86037B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69ACA43FB1 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:45:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0033.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.33] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 193E0u-0006kU-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:45:14 -0700 Message-ID: <3E940751.332EC37D@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 04:43:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3E93C311.18540.13EB392B@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a48571f694e3d06bcf6814721c0a1fb25d548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:45:21 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > > But either way, you need to modify the MDA invocation by the MTA, on > > local delivery. > > Done. And how I did that was in my original message. By using procmail on all local mail. 8-(. > > That's because mail.local doesn't take or pass on optional > > arguments to programs invoked in .forward files. It's an > > MDA that doesn't support that. > > But Postfix does. Postfix is not a local delivery agent. > I'd rather disturb the existing setup as little as possible. Understood. I thought perhaps the reason for this was that it was being hosted for you, and that your "procmail everything" was just a proof-of-concept. > > > Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? > > > > Don't run procmail globally. Replace your mail.local, if you > > need to, but don't run procmail globally. > > I'm the only user on this system. I'd rather not replace mail.local. Well you have, with procmail. 8-). But if you're the only user, then it doesn't matter. What should probably be noted is that this will not work for people whose email service is being hosted by someone else, since hosting providers tend to frown on changes to global mail configurations. If you're not willing to replace mail.local as the local MDA, then I guess you've got the best you are going to get for this. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 04:53:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1182F37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015C43FA3 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 04:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDAB3D28; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:53:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Terry Lambert Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:53:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E93D18C.15952.1423CB34@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3E940751.332EC37D@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:53:50 -0000 On 9 Apr 2003 at 4:43, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > But either way, you need to modify the MDA invocation by the MTA, > > > on local delivery. > > > > Done. And how I did that was in my original message. > > By using procmail on all local mail. 8-(. Yep, which is all I've found so far. > > > That's because mail.local doesn't take or pass on optional > > > arguments to programs invoked in .forward files. It's an > > > MDA that doesn't support that. > > > > But Postfix does. > > Postfix is not a local delivery agent. True, damn acronyms. > > I'd rather disturb the existing setup as little as possible. > > Understood. I thought perhaps the reason for this was that it > was being hosted for you, and that your "procmail everything" > was just a proof-of-concept. Sorry, no, it was trying to find out how to do it. > > > > Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? > > > > > > Don't run procmail globally. Replace your mail.local, if you need > > > to, but don't run procmail globally. > > > > I'm the only user on this system. I'd rather not replace > > mail.local. > > Well you have, with procmail. 8-). But if you're the only user, then > it doesn't matter. True. I have. If it's that each, perhaps all I need to do is change this line in the Postfix config file: mailbox_command = /usr/local/bin/procmail -a "$EXTENSION" > What should probably be noted is that this will not work for > people whose email service is being hosted by someone else, > since hosting providers tend to frown on changes to global > mail configurations. Agreed. What I'm doing isn't for most people. > If you're not willing to replace mail.local as the local MDA, > then I guess you've got the best you are going to get for this. But I just got told (by you) that I already have done this. ;) I've been using procmail because it has worked for me in the past and my work has always been on machines over which I have full control. I'll poke around the Postfix website and mailing lists and see what mail.local replacements have been used/recommended. cheers. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 08:52:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C66E37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFE643F93 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.106.174.190]) by lakemtao02.cox.netESMTP <20030409155219.QRDP24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:52:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409101105.019a8438@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:12:18 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:52:20 -0000 Has anybody used the .NET Runtime or any compilers (e.g. C#) on FreeBSD or any other non-Windows platform yet? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 08:52:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D5D37B405 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C1643F93 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.106.174.190]) by lakemtao02.cox.netESMTP <20030409155222.QREK24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:52:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:48:48 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:52:25 -0000 I got this piece of spam earlier today: This message contains an HTML formatted message but your email client does not support the display of HTML. Please view this message in a different mail client or forward this email to a web-based mail system. So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm supposed to go through some effort to work around their formatting issues? Puh-lease. Anybody else getting comedic messages like this? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 08:52:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC9037B404 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E13343F85 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 08:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.106.174.190]) by lakemtao02.cox.netESMTP <20030409155224.QREX24359.lakemtao02.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:52:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409105025.00375250@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:52:20 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: POV-Ray on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 15:52:26 -0000 I notice that the POV-Ray ray tracer is not "officially" supported on FreeBSD though the latest version has been ported. Is there a semi-unofficial-type web site where work on maintaining FreeBSD compatibility is being centralized? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 09:01:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C995A37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:01:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8243FA3 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:01:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17009; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:01:40 -0600 (MDT) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook renders your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409095709.02ba0a60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:01:36 -0600 To: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:01:58 -0000 At 09:48 AM 4/9/2003, Chip Morton wrote: >I got this piece of spam earlier today: > > This message contains an HTML formatted message but your > email client does not support the display of HTML. Please > view this message in a different mail client or forward > this email to a web-based mail system. > >So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm supposed to go through some effort to work around their formatting issues? Yes. Because the HTML probably contains "e-mail bugs:" image tags that cause your computer to hit their Web server. Which in turn alerts the spammer when the mail is read. If you don't cooperate, you spoil their whole plan. (Awwwww.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 10:44:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AEF37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.Alameda.net [64.81.63.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A37243F85 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AB9E33A201; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 10:44:33 -0700 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Chip Morton Message-ID: <20030409104433.U92889@seven.alameda.net> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com>; from tech_info@threespace.com on Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 10:48:48AM -0500 Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE-p2 cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:44:35 -0000 On Wed, Apr 09, 2003 at 10:48:48AM -0500, Chip Morton wrote: > I got this piece of spam earlier today: > > This message contains an HTML formatted message but your > email client does not support the display of HTML. Please > view this message in a different mail client or forward > this email to a web-based mail system. > > So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm supposed to > go through some effort to work around their formatting issues? Puh-lease. > > Anybody else getting comedic messages like this? All the time, but ... I almost never see them SpamAssassin -> INBOX.spam -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 13:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EDC37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D43943FA3 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:46:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2B33D28; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:46:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Chip Morton Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:46:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E944E6D.3976.160BA14D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 20:46:39 -0000 On 9 Apr 2003 at 10:48, Chip Morton wrote: > I got this piece of spam earlier today: > > This message contains an HTML formatted message but your > email client does not support the display of HTML. Please > view this message in a different mail client or forward > this email to a web-based mail system. > > So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm > supposed to go through some effort to work around their formatting > issues? Puh-lease. Are you positive it was part of the email and not something generated by your mail client? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 14:40:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A5D37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C366B43F3F for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:40:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5153D28; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 17:40:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Terry Lambert Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 17:40:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E945B27.14522.163D5923@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3E936C5F.33549B1@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:40:58 -0000 On 8 Apr 2003 at 17:42, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > > Any comments? Ideas? Improvements? > > Don't run procmail globally. Replace your mail.local, if you > need to, but don't run procmail globally. I found something which I think will work. I spent some time reading http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html. Often the problem associated with man pages is although they document features, the implications and interpretation of that documentation is often beyound the grasp of those unfamiliar with the product. What is lacking is practical examples. In combination with mailing list archives, I found something which I think might work well without requiring global procmail. From the section titled EXTERNAL COMMAND DELIVERY, I found references to the environment variable EXTENSION. After some trial and error, I created a ~/.forward file which contains the following: "|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -a ${EXTENSION} || exit 75" ~/.procmailrc then contains the following (after the usual ~/.procmailrc preamble) : MAILDIR=$HOME/mail # You'd better make sure it exists DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox ARG = $1 :0 $ARG The above is just a simple proof-of-concept script. - Mail sent to foo+bar into the bar directory - Mail sent to foo+test into the test directory No more global procmail. Thanks for the push. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 14:52:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1422737B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com (mailout04.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DD643F75 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from calvin8@t-online.de) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 193Mgj-0004xc-0C; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:00:57 +0200 Received: from 217.228.199.87 (320015578311-0001@[217.228.199.87]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 193Mge-11i7YOC; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:00:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:02:14 +0200 From: calvin8@t-online.de (Andi Scharfstein) X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <19524421546.20030409230214@myrealbox.com> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3E944E6D.3976.160BA14D@localhost> References: <3E944E6D.3976.160BA14D@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 320015578311-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andi Scharfstein List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:52:35 -0000 Hi, > Are you positive it was part of the email and not something generated > by your mail client? *g* "Please view this message in a different mail client"? I think not. -- Bye: Andi S. mailto:nullpointer@myrealbox.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 15:00:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBCFE37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E943F93 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C31783D28 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 18:00:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:00:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3E945FB6.10513.164F28E5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3E945B27.14522.163D5923@localhost> References: <3E936C5F.33549B1@mindspring.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: foo+bar@ addresses, procmail, and postfix X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:00:24 -0000 On 9 Apr 2003 at 17:40, Dan Langille wrote: > - Mail sent to foo+bar into the bar directory > - Mail sent to foo+test into the test directory That should be file, not directory. My apologies. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 15:39:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CAE37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D1643FBD for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 193ODk-0005wJ-01; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:39:08 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h39MN73a092495 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:23:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h39MN7se092494 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:23:07 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 22:39:11 -0000 Chip Morton wrote: > So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm supposed to > go through some effort to work around their formatting issues? Puh-lease. Well, much of the spam I get is in languages I don't understand and questionably encoded. HTML also seems to be pretty typical. For the last one or two weeks I've been getting a lot of garbage from *.vip.uk.com. Looks like a Microsoft worm rather than spam, but I can't really tell. Does anybody else get these or have I (or a limited target audience) been singled out? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 16:58:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C6037B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D55743FBF for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0163.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.163] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 193PSl-0001AZ-00; Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:58:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3E94B34F.86A66DEC@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:57:03 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harti Brandt References: <20030409183521.D644@beagle.fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a41cd0bc3545dab10bac6906baa889a99b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LOR in if_detach X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:58:47 -0000 Harti Brandt wrote: > is there any insight on how to avoid an LOR in if_detach? The only way is to take the R to mordor, and throw it in Mt. Doom, where it was forged... -- Terry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 19:53:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1EF37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701D543F85 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HD300288XCX0Z@net.WAU.NL> for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:53:21 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:54:19 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HD300289XCX0Z@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:53:24 -0000 I get them as plain HTML-code (using Spruce). Always funny to check out :) On Wed, 09 Apr 2003, Chip Morton wrote: > To: FreeBSD Chat > Subject: spammers kill me > > I got this piece of spam earlier today: > > This message contains an HTML formatted message but your > email client does not support the display of HTML. Please > view this message in a different mail client or forward > this email to a web-based mail system. > > So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm supposed > to > go through some effort to work around their formatting issues? > Puh-lease. > > Anybody else getting comedic messages like this? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 19:54:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F83237B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD94243F93 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 19:54:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HD300FAJXF8BE@net.WAU.NL> for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:54:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:55:43 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HD300FAKXF8BE@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 02:54:46 -0000 who would want to? :P On Wed, 09 Apr 2003, Chip Morton wrote: > To: FreeBSD Chat > Subject: .NET on FreeBSD > > Has anybody used the .NET Runtime or any compilers (e.g. C#) on FreeBSD > or > any other non-Windows platform yet? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 21:35:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6854A37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DE243FBD for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.106.174.190]) by lakemtao04.cox.netESMTP <20030410043503.ZDUU13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:35:03 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409231413.01b661c8@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:16:56 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton In-Reply-To: <3E944E6D.3976.160BA14D@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409104640.01a64580@threespace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: spammers kill me X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:35:03 -0000 Yeah, I'm positive that it wasn't my mail client. I use Eudora, and it has the ability to display HTML messages using your favorite web browser, but I have intentionally disabled that capability. I hate popping open an e-mail message and--surprise!--having a full-page spread of porn in my face. There are children walking around here, y'know. At 03:46 PM 4/9/2003, you wrote: >On 9 Apr 2003 at 10:48, Chip Morton wrote: > > > I got this piece of spam earlier today: > > > > This message contains an HTML formatted message but your > > email client does not support the display of HTML. Please > > view this message in a different mail client or forward > > this email to a web-based mail system. > > > > So now I'm not only supposed to put up with this stuff, but I'm > > supposed to go through some effort to work around their formatting > > issues? Puh-lease. > >Are you positive it was part of the email and not something generated >by your mail client? >-- >Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 21:35:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACAA37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C9943FBD for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:35:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.106.174.190]) by lakemtao04.cox.netESMTP <20030410043505.ZDVC13930.lakemtao04.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:35:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409232336.01b7ff00@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:35:09 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton In-Reply-To: <0HD300FAKXF8BE@net.WAU.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:35:05 -0000 At 10:48 PM 4/9/2003, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: >who would want to [use .NET on FreeBSD]? :P That was my thought too, but after reading the article about the Shared=20 Source CLI in the July 2002 issue of MSDN Magazine, I got a little= interested. http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/07/default.aspx A couple of notable quotations: When I first heard about the Shared Source CLI, I expected it to be the=20 smallest and feeblest implementation Microsoft could get away with, so I=20 was amazed when I finally got to see it. The Shared Source CLI isn't some=20 one-off implementation built on the cheap. Rather, the Shared Source CLI=20 code base is derived from the source code to the CLR and is practically=20 identical in most important respects. In addition to the execution engine itself, the Shared Source CLI includes= =20 source code to practically every .NET tool that comes with the CLR (and=20 some that don't!) including complete C# and JScript=AE compilers and= portable=20 versions of all the familiar .NET tools.... I really think it could be very beneficial to FreeBSD (or any OS for that=20 matter) to have a fully functional .NET CLR environment. Not only would it= =20 open up a load of Windows software developed to FreeBSD users, but it could= =20 make FreeBSD a viable replacement for a Windows desktop or IIS server. In= =20 other words, it could only broaden our market share. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 9 21:51:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EEA37B401 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:51:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out001.verizon.net (out001pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A5843FA3 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 21:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kabaev@bellatlantic.net) Received: from kanhome ([141.154.54.213]) by out001.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.27 201-253-122-126-127-20021220) with ESMTP id <20030410045058.OTWE19613.out001.verizon.net@kanhome>; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:50:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 00:50:57 -0400 From: Alexander Kabaev To: Chip Morton Message-Id: <20030410005057.154a2ef9.kabaev@bellatlantic.net> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20030409232336.01b7ff00@threespace.com> References: <0HD300FAKXF8BE@net.WAU.NL> <4.3.2.7.2.20030409232336.01b7ff00@threespace.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws18 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out001.verizon.net from [141.154.54.213] at Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:50:57 -0500 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ak03@gte.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 04:51:00 -0000 On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:35:09 -0500 Chip Morton wrote: > > That was my thought too, but after reading the article about the > Shared Source CLI in the July 2002 issue of MSDN Magazine, I got a > little interested. > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/07/default.aspx > I understand Microsoft license limits the use of CLI they released for FreeBSD for non-commercial and research use. As such it has little usefullness. -- Alexander Kabaev From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 10 06:20:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50D137B401 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (net.wau.nl [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79A643F75 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HD400JSPQEQKJ@net.WAU.NL> for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:20:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 15:21:51 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HD400JSQQEQKJ@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:21:00 -0000 I was kinda kidding, but serious: with the upcoming Palladium-technology (one of the reasons why I decided to look for a replacement for Window$ before get into the new stream of control comming up) I don't think it is a good idea to add .NET to, and develope .NET for FreeBSD, especially when it is only usefull for Open-Source applications. .NET is the first (or twenthieth or whatever) of series of Micro$ofts efforts to get control over the world market and to get a view of the way users use their PC. Palladium will be the next step and I think Micro$oft will make .NET fully Paladium-depended. I fear that when a .NET-implementation is added to the ports-collection of FreeBSD (and as a package for Linux or other Open-Source efforts) it will be used too much to develope cros-platform software. This will lead to the fact that even Open-Source users will then on the long term have to use this NET-implementation and become (again) under the control of Micro$ofts bugs. In other words, it may only tighten our freedom. On Wed, 09 Apr 2003, Chip Morton wrote: > Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 23:35:09 -0500 > To: FreeBSD Chat > From: Chip Morton > Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD > > In addition to the execution engine itself, the Shared Source CLI > include source code to practically every .NET tool that comes with the CLR (and > some that don't!) including complete C# and JScript® compilers and > portable versions of all the familiar .NET tools.... > I really think it could be very beneficial to FreeBSD (or any OS for that > matter) to have a fully functional .NET CLR environment. Not only would it > open up a load of Windows software developed to FreeBSD users, but it could > make FreeBSD a viable replacement for a Windows desktop or IIS server. In > other words, it could only broaden our market share. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 10 06:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6137B401 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monet.psys.org (monet.psys.org [64.81.145.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595F643F93 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 06:32:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www-data@psys.org) Received: from www-data by monet.psys.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 193cAB-0000TU-00; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:32:23 -0500 Received: from 4.17.250.5 (SquirrelMail authenticated user brian) by webmail.psys.org with HTTP; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:32:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <45686.4.17.250.5.1049981543.squirrel@webmail.psys.org> In-Reply-To: <0HD400JSQQEQKJ@net.WAU.NL> References: <0HD400JSQQEQKJ@net.WAU.NL> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 08:32:23 -0500 (CDT) From: brian@psys.org To: FST777@phreaker.net X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.4.0 RC1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: www-data cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: .NET on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sobolak@myrealbox.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:32:32 -0000 Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek said: > > I was kinda kidding, but serious: > with the upcoming Palladium-technology (one of the reasons why I decided > to > look for a replacement for Window$ before get into the new stream of > control comming up) I don't think it is a good idea to add .NET to, and > develope .NET for FreeBSD, especially when it is only usefull for > Open-Source applications. .NET is the first (or twenthieth or whatever) of > series of Micro$ofts efforts to get control over the world market and to > get a view of the way users use their PC. Palladium will be the next step > and I think Micro$oft will make .NET fully Paladium-depended. I fear that > when a .NET-implementation is added to the ports-collection of FreeBSD > (and > as a package for Linux or other Open-Source efforts) it will be used too > much to develope cros-platform software. This will lead to the fact that > even Open-Source users will then on the long term have to use this > NET-implementation and become (again) under the control of Micro$ofts > bugs. > In other words, it may only tighten our freedom. > That's one way of looking at it. Another is that if .NET becomes somewhat of a standard due to implementations on other platforms, Microsoft's control could be broken. I agree with Chip though - there are scads of VB programs out there that only run on Windows. Being able to run that code on FreeBSD would be a huge benefit. brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 10 11:17:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0E3E37B401 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tulip.epweb.co.za (tulip.epweb.co.za [196.14.166.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7C243FA3 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 11:17:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ultraviolet@tulip.epweb.co.za) Received: from tulip.epweb.co.za (localhost.epweb.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by tulip.epweb.co.za (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h3AIH9df039054 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:17:10 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from ultraviolet@tulip.epweb.co.za) Received: (from ultraviolet@localhost) by tulip.epweb.co.za (8.12.7/8.12.8/Submit) id h3AIH3E8039053 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:17:03 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 20:17:03 +0200 From: William Fletcher To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030410181703.GA37913@tulip.epweb.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: sshd X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:17:17 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a question, since I'm on this mailing list. Apr 10 19:52:20 maria sshd[4073]: fatal: buffer_put_cstring: s =3D=3D NULL Anyone else having that problem sshing into a 5.0 box?=20 I just don't get it.=20 --=20 Epweb Computer Monkey William Fletcher IRC addict ultraviolet on irc.epweb.co.za FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org/ --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+lbUeju3fq0dMPxsRAl0FAKCNkCIcljRw5rgf1gfNVtV46Hu0wACeNy24 ItD60Jn2Lt88WkU8ubOADrU= =6ELX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G--