From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 02:41:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5487E16A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:41:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9909043D2D for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:41:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_mip_rvl@myrealbox.com) Received: from the_mip_rvl [131.211.108.108] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:41:24 +0100 From: "The MiP RvL" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:41:24 +0100 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: the_mip_rvl MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1071398484.c080c6c0the_mip_rvl@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: wicontrol vs ifconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:41:22 -0000 Hello I've been working on a patch for the wi driver. http://wleiden.webweaving.org:8080/svn/node-config/other/enh-sec-patch This patch is against 5.0, and works; though has a few bugs. It allows you to diable ssid broadcasting and to disable clients with a bla= nk ssid. The problem is that the firmware for the prism2 cards needed for this patch= to work, is not supported by 5.0. Therefor I started working on 5.1 and because wicontrol is obsolete I start= ed working on ifconfig, but I got lost in the forest of ifconfig and net8= 0211. So, do I need to put this in ifconfig, eventhough this patch is not 80211 s= pecific? Is the net80211 in combination with ifconfig documented? Roland van Laar Volunteer WirelessLeiden.nl From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 12:57:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9E216A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law9-f66.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998C143D31 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thor_anderson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:34 -0800 Received: from 67.22.36.160 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:57:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.22.36.160] X-Originating-Email: [thor_anderson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thor_anderson@hotmail.com From: "Thor Anderson" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:57:34 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 20:57:34.0525 (UTC) FILETIME=[E5E94ED0:01C3C284] Subject: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: thundergod@bigfoot.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:57:37 -0000 FreeBSD hangs without errors early in the install process on my computer. I have downloaded and tested the CD ISO files for version 4.9 as well as 4.6.2 (with intent of upgrading) and neither appears to boot. In both cases, my computer completes POST, accesses the CD drive and hangs without any messages. Worried that my ability to create a bootable CD-ROM, I purchased the commercial boxed set of 5.1 (“Power Pac” with handbook). While this version still does not install properly, it does provide the following message before it hangs: >CD Loader 1.01 > >Building the boot loader arguments >Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Having eliminated my options for CD install, I purchased a USB floppy drive and attempted a floppy boot disk. Again, the system hung without any message. The computer is able to boot other operating systems from CD. Testing shows Microsoft as well as Fedora project Linux boot and install properly. The computer is an IBM NetVista 6645 W2U with an Intel Celeron 566MHz processor, 128MB RAM, a 7.5GB hard disk, a 32x CDROM, and an Intel Express Pro 10/100 PCI network adaptor. What makes this system unusual is that it is “legacy free” which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports (no serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one of the five USB ports on the case. I have flashed the BIOS to the latest version. Since I can not install, I have no operating FreeBSD systems at my disposal. Therefore, I can not customize my own kernel. I have executed a Google search for my problem and located another person with the same type of computer and exactly the same symptoms when attempting to install Redhat Linux. While their problems are not your problems, the following suggestions were made in that forum and may be valuable in my case: > > I don't know anything about this particular machine, but > > I used to be a BIOS programmer. Your BIOS should have > > a setting to enable "legacy USB keyboard/mouse support". > > Basically, this makes your USB keyboard look like a PS/2 > > keyboard for "legacy" OS's (OS's that don't have USB > > keyboard drivers). As soon as the OS loads the USB > > drivers, the BIOS disables its USB support, and the OS > > takes over. > > > > If the OS is loading USB support but not USB keyboard > > support, that would explain your problem. Try building a > > kernel with absolutely no USB support. >The OS should either be built with USB keyboard support so >that when the USB host controller driver disables legacy >emulation you still have a working keyboard, or the OS >should be built with _NO_ USB support, so that the BIOS >will continue providing legacy emulation support for your >keyboard & mouse. _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 12:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7966C16A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law9-f43.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C6B43D09 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:59:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thor_anderson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:59:08 -0800 Received: from 67.22.36.160 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.22.36.160] X-Originating-Email: [thor_anderson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thor_anderson@hotmail.com From: "Thor Anderson" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:59:07 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2003 20:59:08.0131 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DB47330:01C3C285] Subject: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: thundergod@bigfoot.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:13 -0000 FreeBSD hangs without errors early in the install process on my computer. I have downloaded and tested the CD ISO files for version 4.9.1 as well as 4.6.2 (with intent of upgrading) and neither appears to boot. In both cases, my computer completes POST, accesses the CD drive and hangs without any messages. Worried that my ability to create a bootable CD-ROM, I purchased the commercial boxed set of 5.1 (“Power Pac” with handbook). While this version still does not install properly, it does provide the following message before it hangs: >CD Loader 1.01 > >Building the boot loader arguments >Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found Having eliminated my options for CD install, I purchased a USB floppy drive and attempted a floppy boot disk. Again, the system hung without any message. The computer is able to boot other operating systems from CD. Testing shows Microsoft as well as Fedora project Linux boot and install properly. The computer is an IBM NetVista 6645 W2U with an Intel Celeron 566MHz processor, 128MB RAM, a 7.5GB hard disk, a 32x CDROM, and an Intel Express Pro 10/100 PCI network adaptor. What makes this system unusual is that it is “legacy free” which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports (no serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one of the five USB ports on the case. I have flashed the BIOS to the latest version. Since I can not install, I have no operating FreeBSD systems at my disposal. Therefore, I can not customize my own kernel. I have executed a Google search for my problem and located another person with the same type of computer and exactly the same symptoms when attempting to install Redhat Linux. While their problems are not your problems, the following suggestions were made in that forum and may be valuable in my case: > > I don't know anything about this particular machine, but > > I used to be a BIOS programmer. Your BIOS should have > > a setting to enable "legacy USB keyboard/mouse support". > > Basically, this makes your USB keyboard look like a PS/2 > > keyboard for "legacy" OS's (OS's that don't have USB > > keyboard drivers). As soon as the OS loads the USB > > drivers, the BIOS disables its USB support, and the OS > > takes over. > > > > If the OS is loading USB support but not USB keyboard > > support, that would explain your problem. Try building a > > kernel with absolutely no USB support. >The OS should either be built with USB keyboard support so >that when the USB host controller driver disables legacy >emulation you still have a working keyboard, or the OS >should be built with _NO_ USB support, so that the BIOS >will continue providing legacy emulation support for your >keyboard & mouse. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 14 17:07:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1C416A4CE for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EA043D31 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBF17RA7011760; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:07:27 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id hBF17Rt4011759; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:07:27 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:07:27 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: thundergod@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <20031215010727.GC4077@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ALfTUftag+2gvp1h" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:07:36 -0000 --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 12:57:34PM -0800, Thor Anderson wrote: > FreeBSD hangs without errors early in the install process on my computer. >=20 > I have downloaded and tested the CD ISO files for version 4.9 as well as= =20 > 4.6.2 (with intent of upgrading) and neither appears to boot. In both=20 > cases, my computer completes POST, accesses the CD drive and hangs withou= t=20 > any messages. >=20 > Worried that my ability to create a bootable CD-ROM, I purchased the=20 > commercial boxed set of 5.1 (?Power Pac? with handbook). While this=20 > version still does not install properly, it does provide the following=20 > message before it hangs: >=20 > >CD Loader 1.01 > > > >Building the boot loader arguments > >Looking up /BOOT/LOADER... Found >=20 > Having eliminated my options for CD install, I purchased a USB floppy dri= ve=20 > and attempted a floppy boot disk. Again, the system hung without any=20 > message. >=20 > The computer is able to boot other operating systems from CD. Testing=20 > shows Microsoft as well as Fedora project Linux boot and install properly. >=20 > The computer is an IBM NetVista 6645 W2U with an Intel Celeron 566MHz=20 > processor, 128MB RAM, a 7.5GB hard disk, a 32x CDROM, and an Intel Expres= s=20 > Pro 10/100 PCI network adaptor. What makes this system unusual is that i= t=20 > is ?legacy free? which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports (no= =20 > serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one of= =20 > the five USB ports on the case. I have flashed the BIOS to the latest=20 > version. >=20 > Since I can not install, I have no operating FreeBSD systems at my=20 > disposal. Therefore, I can not customize my own kernel. A friend of mine recently ran into this problem on an embeded system. The solution for him on 5.x was to enter the following at the loader prompt to disable the keyboard and floppy probes because they tend to hang: hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=3D1 hint.atkbd.0.disabled=3D1 hint.fdc.0.disabled=3D1 Unfortnaly, you can't do that since you don't have a serial port. The one hack I can think of would be to try to PXE boot the CD image from another machine. You could then modify the loader.conf on the pxe image to force these settings. These drivers are broken and need to be fixed since I'm sure this problem will only become more common. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/3QlNXY6L6fI4GtQRAjJsAKDRi9hHZ++wSIz0PfcFamyRsUskLQCfXjds SqPOs58Me5MlCZevnbR/3Lg= =U9Jf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ALfTUftag+2gvp1h-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 03:46:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5084216A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.icomag.de (ns.icomag.de [195.227.115.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A24A43D1F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:46:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bgd@icomag.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.icomag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FC722E32 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:46:54 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.icomag.de (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 6BF9622E34; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:46:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:46:52 +0100 From: Bogdan TARU To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS Subject: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:46:58 -0000 Dear hackers, Up until now, I had a setup with 4-5 webservers, one 'main' server on which all the changes to the websites were done, and the rest which were rsync-ing the web repository to the local drives. The content is either static or dynamic (PHP). Of course, I was load balancing (DNS round-robin) only the statical domains, and the ones involving PHP scripts which fetched all the informations from a database. The domains which involved PHP sessions were left on the 'main' server. Right now I am considering a setup with one common NFS repository for the configuration files, Apache binaries, Web content and temp directory for PHP, NFS resource which will be mounted on all the 'front' webservers. I am wondering, though, if I will be able (by having one common temp directory for PHP) to load-balance the domains involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when connsecutive hits go to different webservers, or not? I will also be interested in finding out more opinions about this sort of setup (interested in what are the pitfalls of the common NFS repository) from the people who already got it implemented. Thank you, bogdan From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 04:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB3F16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:42:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780AD43D37 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:42:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBFCg3D3019426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:33 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id hBFCg3GS019425 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:03 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:03 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031215124203.GA19265@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:40 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 12:46:52PM +0100, Bogdan TARU wrote: > Right now I am considering a setup with one common NFS repository for > the configuration files, Apache binaries, Web content and temp > directory for PHP, NFS resource which will be mounted on all the > 'front' webservers. I am wondering, though, if I will be able (by > having one common temp directory for PHP) to load-balance the domains > involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when connsecutive hits > go to different webservers, or not?=20 The canonical answer to this is to store the session data in the back-end database, so that it's accessible to all of your servers. See the PHP docs for session_set_save_handler(). There's an example of how to do this in the O'Reilly Platypus book "Web Database Applications with PHP and MySQL", or contact me off list and I can send you some sample code. Probably a good idea to take this off-list anyhow, as it's not really hackers@... material. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/3awbdtESqEQa7a0RAomYAKCFZC+yOByubtWhoS2IKuRtizr18wCeN/K+ VGSQ2eSgaRig1+bB6ecU20U= =tERO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 05:02:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F8416A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cultdeadsheep.org (charon.cultdeadsheep.org [80.65.226.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7554443D37 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 05:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org) Received: (qmail 22876 invoked by uid 85); 15 Dec 2003 14:02:01 +0100 Received: from sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org by goofy.cultdeadsheep.org by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc2 (spamassassin: 2.60. 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Processed in 0.078216 secs); 15 Dec 2003 13:02:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO persephone.cultdeadsheep.org) (192.168.0.8) by goofy.cultdeadsheep.org with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 14:02:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 18423 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 14:01:18 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO lucifer.cultdeadsheep.org) (192.168.0.2) by persephone.cultdeadsheep.org with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 14:01:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:13 +0100 From: Clement Laforet To: Bogdan TARU Message-Id: <20031215140213.2bd338ea.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> In-Reply-To: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> References: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> Organization: tH3 cUlt 0f tH3 d3@d sH33p X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:02:09 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:46:52 +0100 Bogdan TARU wrote: Hi ! > Right now I am considering a setup with one common NFS repository for > the configuration files, Apache binaries, Web content and temp > directory for PHP, NFS resource which will be mounted on all the > 'front' webservers. I am wondering, though, if I will be able (by > having one common temp directory for PHP) to load-balance the domains > involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when connsecutive hits > go to different webservers, or not? If I were you, I would consider a 3-tier architecture /----------+ / | / +-------+ +----------+ | web | +----------+ ----| Load | |servers|--------|NFS server| | balancer | | pool | +----------+ +----------+ | | \ +-------+ \ | \----------+ Concerning PHP session, a HTTP reverse-proxy can easily do the trick. If you don't want to spend a lot of time on configuring apache as reverse proxy, you can use some flexible and easy-to-use dedicated software. Here's my favorite: 1. pound (${PORTSDIR}/www/pound} pound can handle URI based sessions to redirect request to the correct backend server. It support SSL too. 2. haproxy (${PORTSDIR}/net/haproxy) haproxy is less intuitive than pound, but more flexible. It DOES NOT support SSL. Both support backend failures. Since thay acts like proxy, you don't have to reconfigure your network (but I recommend it) To grab real IP address on your apache server you must use (and configure carefully) mod_extract_forwarded{2} or mod_rpaf{2}. If you don't want to use a reverse proxy, Matthew Seaman's solution looks the best. clem From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 07:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E93716A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlasta.net (wow.atlasta.net [12.129.13.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 083A643D37 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drais@wow.atlasta.net) Received: (qmail 58399 invoked by uid 1068); 15 Dec 2003 15:32:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:32:44 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: thundergod@bigfoot.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:32:46 -0000 > Pro 10/100 PCI network adaptor. What makes this system unusual is that i= t > is =93legacy free=94 which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports= (no > serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one of = the =2E...and thereby it doesn't have a keyboard controller at all. The system is hanging on boot looking for the keyboard controller itself and not finding one, since it doesn't exist. I've seen this on an embeded system as well. I don't recall the exact workaround, but without the ability to build your own release, you won't be able to make the change anyway. You might try installing on another machine (any machine) that can use the systems disk. But out of the box, I suspect there is no workaround for you. If you DO have the legacy-keyboard-enable type option, you should try that...but I suspect you would have if you had it. If someone else is familar enough with the workaround for this issue, and can post it, I could make the changes and build an ISO for you, probably, though my free time for such at the moment is limited. When my developers get in, I'll dig further regarding the workaround, as well. =2E..david (a lowly sysadmin. :) --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net=09=09http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 09:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C70916A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC2C343D1F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:42:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFHg3Ud092887; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)hBFHg2KH092884; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:02 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <20031215124203.GA19265@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:42:34 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 12:46:52PM +0100, Bogdan TARU wrote: > > Right now I am considering a setup with one common NFS repository for > > the configuration files, Apache binaries, Web content and temp > > directory for PHP, NFS resource which will be mounted on all the > > 'front' webservers. I am wondering, though, if I will be able (by > > having one common temp directory for PHP) to load-balance the domains > > involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when connsecutive hits > > go to different webservers, or not? > > The canonical answer to this is to store the session data in the > back-end database, so that it's accessible to all of your servers. > > See the PHP docs for session_set_save_handler(). There's an example of > how to do this in the O'Reilly Platypus book "Web Database Applications > with PHP and MySQL", or contact me off list and I can send you some > sample code. Probably a good idea to take this off-list anyhow, as it's > not really hackers@... material. Another approach I've seen is to avoid the use of state as much as possible, but when the user starts accessing a stateful service, to redirect them from the load balancer to one of the back end servers directly. This assumes that the majority of content generating load is static, of course (which may well not be the case because dynamic content generates much more load than static content in many installations). Another approach is, if there is little state being used, to store the state in the client via URL lines or cookies. This can be especially effective if you use a keyed hash with expiry as part of the cookie or URL data so that you can trust the state. When setting up load balancing with state, one of the hardest things is making sure the solution isn't slower than the original, and the details of the local installation are often relevant. If there are frequent state queries, going to a backend database can make things slower. If they're infrequent, and enough of the work can happen on the web server, it can make things a lot faster (and it's much easier to manage than many other solutions, since it "just works"). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 10:36:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C0816A4CE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from valu.uninet.ee (valu.uninet.ee [194.204.34.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DA143D33; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from taavi@uninet.ee) Received: by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8EE603643E; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:36:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D16132619; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:36:23 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:36:23 +0200 (EET) From: Taavi Talvik To: Robert Watson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031215202618.H47749-100000@valu.uninet.ee> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:36:29 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Robert Watson wrote: > When setting up load balancing with state, one of the hardest things is > making sure the solution isn't slower than the original, and the details > of the local installation are often relevant. If there are frequent state > queries, going to a backend database can make things slower. If they're > infrequent, and enough of the work can happen on the web server, it can > make things a lot faster (and it's much easier to manage than many other > solutions, since it "just works"). I would recommend look at Eddie: http://eddie.sourceforge.net/ It allows runtime addition both front end and back end servers. Preserves state over failures. Written in Erlang, using dsitributed database system called mnesia. Mnesia is written for Telecom applications whose usually have soft real-time requirements. Optimised towards frequent queries (local caching etc.) and less frequent distributed database updates. Alteon (part of Nortel today) Webserver load balancer and SSL accelator products are probably based on Eddie. best regards, taavi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF9A16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5A143D36 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:33:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org ([66.166.149.54]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBFKXHkX048341; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3FDE1A8D.600@acm.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:33:17 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031006 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:33:21 -0000 On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Matthew Seaman wrote: >On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 12:46:52PM +0100, Bogdan TARU wrote: > >> I am wondering, though, if I will be able ... to load-balance the domains >> involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when connsecutive hits >> go to different webservers, or not? It depends on where you store the session info, of course. I'm not as familiar with PHP, but I know that Java servlets/JSP default to storing all session info in RAM, which does glue each session to a particular server. Check the load-balancer you're using and see if handles "session persistence." In a nutshell, this gaurantees that successive requests from the same user always go to the same server. This approach has its drawbacks, but it works pretty well in practice. >The canonical answer to this is to store the session data in the >back-end database, so that it's accessible to all of your servers. This depends a lot on the level of traffic you're trying to support. For <100 dynamic pages/second, this is pretty straightforward; I've prototyped systems that could top 10,000 dynamic pages per second using a shared session server, but very few people need that kind of performance. Tim Kientzle From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 12:43:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D574416A4CF for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0777943D53 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:43:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 20328 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from dsl027-160-063.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) encrypted SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2003 20:43:33 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFKhUM0008042; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:43:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Mikulas Patocka X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-smp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Hyperthreading crashes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:43:44 -0000 On 13-Dec-2003 Mikulas Patocka wrote: > Hi > > I use FreeBSD-4.9-RC1 on a machine with hyperthreading (it seems that > hyperthreading support was ripped out of final 4.9 release --- why?) It wasn't ripped out. It is now enabled by default. Check /usr/src/UPDATING and the release notes. > I get random SIGBUSes when compiling (once I got SIGSEGV too). When I > compile only with make -j 1, I get no errors. Is it known problem with > FreeBSD? Or does it mean that the machine is bad? > > How can I find what's the reason for particular SIGBUS signal --- what did > the program wrong? In reply to your later post: I'm not sure why you are getting alignment traps, except perhaps that the PSL_AC flag is somehow flipped on on the second processor. Make sure you enable HT in your BIOS if you haven't already. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 13:12:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEAE16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.covadmail.net (mx05.covadmail.net [63.65.120.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D4D943D55 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:12:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: (covad.net 11021 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 21:12:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mist.nodomain) (67.101.100.52) by sun-qmail08 with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 21:12:39 -0000 Received: from mist.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mist.nodomain (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBFLCKlM000350; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:12:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mist.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mist.nodomain (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hBFLCJN0000349; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:12:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:12:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200312152112.hBFLCJN0000349@mist.nodomain> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: dan@mist.nodomain Subject: atapicam and residual byte counts X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:12:48 -0000 While hacking on an ATAPI CD-drive via atapicam, I noticed that the returned data transfer counts for all data input operations (e.g. mode sense) were too high. In fact, they were all equal to the input buffer sizes. A little hacking revealed that the residual byte counts in the CAM CCB for scsi i/o operations were always coming back zero. I did a little test by placing known data in the back end of the input buffer before the input operation and observed that it wasn't being overwritten even though the CAM system claimed the entire buffer was being filled. Then I repeated the tests on a real SCSI drive on a real SCSI host adapter and observed that the residual byte counts in the CAM CCBs were coming back nonzero when this was appropriate. Not knowing the actual transfer length for a data transfer presents a little bit of a challenge. Is atapicam broken? I am running FreeBSD 4.9-Release. Dan Strick strick@covad.net From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:15:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3113E16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sandvine.com (sandvine.com [199.243.201.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9881743D1F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:15:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from AdilK@sandvine.com) Received: by mail.sandvine.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:15:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adil Katchi To: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:15:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: PAM and passwd X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:15:20 -0000 I was just wondering if anyone knew about the details of loading PAM. My problem is that I need to create a local user account while I am authenticating using a PAM module. That is, using some remote authentication mechanism, if it authenticates a user, I want to create that user locally on the BSD box and allow the user to log in. What I'm finding is that if the user did not already exist before an authentication started, the overall authentication will fail. That is, the first time a particular user tries to log in, because it doesn't exist, it will fail, but subsequent attempts will pass. This seems to indicate that the local users' info is loaded at PAM startup. Is this true? If so, is there a way to purge that info with the new users' info? thanks, Adil From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 14:30:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BF016A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7508943D2D for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:30:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 6FDC65309; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:30:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 820325308; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:30:38 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 15CDF33C94; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:30:38 +0100 (CET) To: Adil Katchi References: From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:30:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Adil Katchi's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:15:17 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: "'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: PAM and passwd X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:30:52 -0000 Adil Katchi writes: > This seems to indicate that the local users' info is loaded at PAM startu= p. > Is this true? It depends on the module. Most PAM modules use getpwnam() to look up the user, and will fail if it does not exist; some modules don't (for instance, pam_ldap looks the user up in the LDAP directory even if nsswitch isn't set up to use LDAP) You probably want to write your own PAM authentication module to handle account creation. Feel free to contact me off-list for further information on how to do this. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 16:38:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552FE16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ludo.migus.org (pcp242616pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net [68.55.80.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8893B43D3F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@migus.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42E8A1026; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:38:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ludo.migus.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ludo.migus.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 38876-03; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ganyopa.migus.org (ganyopa.migus.org [192.168.4.2]) by ludo.migus.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D8DA1017; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Adam C. Migus" Organization: Migus Dot Org To: Clement Laforet , Bogdan TARU Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:37:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031215114652.GA74902@icomag.de> <20031215140213.2bd338ea.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> In-Reply-To: <20031215140213.2bd338ea.sheepkiller@cultdeadsheep.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312151937.56479.adam@migus.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at migus.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: general load balancing issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:38:12 -0000 On Monday 15 December 2003 08:02 am, Clement Laforet wrote: > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:46:52 +0100 > Bogdan TARU wrote: > > Hi ! > > > Right now I am considering a setup with one common NFS repository > > for the configuration files, Apache binaries, Web content and temp > > directory for PHP, NFS resource which will be mounted on all the > > 'front' webservers. I am wondering, though, if I will be able (by > > having one common temp directory for PHP) to load-balance the > > domains involving sessions: will the sessions be lost when > > connsecutive hits go to different webservers, or not? > > If I were you, I would consider a 3-tier architecture > > > /----------+ > / | > / +-------+ > +----------+ | web | +----------+ > ----| Load | |servers|--------|NFS server| > > | balancer | | pool | +----------+ > > +----------+ | | > \ +-------+ > \ | > \----------+ > > Concerning PHP session, a HTTP reverse-proxy can easily do the trick. > If you don't want to spend a lot of time on configuring apache as > reverse proxy, you can use some flexible and easy-to-use dedicated > software. > Here's my favorite: > 1. pound (${PORTSDIR}/www/pound} > pound can handle URI based sessions to redirect request to the > correct backend server. It support SSL too. > > 2. haproxy (${PORTSDIR}/net/haproxy) > haproxy is less intuitive than pound, but more flexible. > It DOES NOT support SSL. > > Both support backend failures. > Since thay acts like proxy, you don't have to reconfigure your > network (but I recommend it) > > To grab real IP address on your apache server you must use (and > configure carefully) mod_extract_forwarded{2} or mod_rpaf{2}. > > If you don't want to use a reverse proxy, Matthew Seaman's solution > looks the best. > > > clem I'd be willing to bet the database back-end solution is going to perform a lot better than a shared directory. With respect to the reverse-proxy approach, it doesn't sound like it has clear advantage over the database back-end approach. It's certainly a cool way to do it especially if you weren't doing database stuff. Since your going for performance, already using a database and doing a new configuration, my vote is for the database back-end solution as well. Adam From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 16:41:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5521216A4CE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:41:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from swin.edu.au (c3p0.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73E1E43D35; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.26]) by swin.edu.au (8.9.3p2-20030918/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA798235; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:41:33 +1100 (EST) From: paul van den bergen To: FreeBSD-questions Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:41:32 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200312121717.27412.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> <200312121725.55208.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> In-Reply-To: <200312121725.55208.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312161141.32743.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: howto upgrade 4.8 to 4.9 without cdrom or floppy? ERROR X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:41:36 -0000 After all that angst, I couldn't get it to work anyway - on reboot the system reverted to a 4.8 kernel... Not sure why, but gave up at this point... On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:25 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:17 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > > Hi... > > snip... > > I stuffed up... > > > # vnconfig vn1 /path/to/freebsd4.9/floppies/boot.flp > > # mkdir /bootfloppy > > # mount_mfs /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ > > ^^^^^^^^^ > does not work... > try simply > > # mount /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 "And some run up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stones to pieces wi' hammers, like so many road makers run daft. They say it is to see how the world was made." Sir Walter Scott, St. Ronan's Well 1824 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 16:56:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91CA16A4CE for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp011.mail.yahoo.com (smtp011.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC8FE43D32 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:56:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mnslinky@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO Nomad) (mnslinky@66.41.18.160 with login) by smtp011.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:56:52 -0000 From: "Minnesota Slinky" To: "'paul van den bergen'" , "'FreeBSD-questions'" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:56:33 -0600 Message-ID: <001801c3c36f$7846adf0$6401a8c0@Nomad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200312161141.32743.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: howto upgrade 4.8 to 4.9 without cdrom or floppy? ERROR X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:56:55 -0000 There's actually a very simple process to use to upgrade, providing you have a broadband connection: 1) cvsup your sources to the newer sources. For more information read about cvsup or checkout the handbook! 2) once you have new sources, cd to /usr/src and type make world; this could take an hour or more 3) if this completes OK, cd to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf (on 386-based processor systems) and type: # config GENERIC (or whatever your kernel config file is) 4) type: # cd ../../compile/GENERIC (or name of kernel config file) # make; make depend; make install 5) if this completes OK, type: # shutdown -r now 6) once rebooted, login, and check uname -a. You will see stats for a 4.9-x kernel! HTH Eric F Crist President AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc (612) 998-3588 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of paul van den bergen Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:42 PM To: FreeBSD-questions Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: howto upgrade 4.8 to 4.9 without cdrom or floppy? ERROR After all that angst, I couldn't get it to work anyway - on reboot the system reverted to a 4.8 kernel... Not sure why, but gave up at this point... On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:25 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:17 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > > Hi... > > snip... > > I stuffed up... > > > # vnconfig vn1 /path/to/freebsd4.9/floppies/boot.flp > > # mkdir /bootfloppy > > # mount_mfs /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ > > ^^^^^^^^^ > does not work... > try simply > > # mount /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 "And some run up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stones to pieces wi' hammers, like so many road makers run daft. They say it is to see how the world was made." Sir Walter Scott, St. Ronan's Well 1824 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 15 19:30:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C5E16A522; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from swin.edu.au (c3p0.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6563143D31; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:30:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.26]) by swin.edu.au (8.9.3p2-20030918/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA815387; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:30:16 +1100 (EST) From: paul van den bergen To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:30:15 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <001801c3c36f$7846adf0$6401a8c0@Nomad> In-Reply-To: <001801c3c36f$7846adf0$6401a8c0@Nomad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312161211.20439.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: howto upgrade 4.8 to 4.9 without cdrom or floppy? ERROR X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 03:30:22 -0000 Yes, I am familiar with that upgrade path... Part of my motivation was ... well, lazyness :-) using someone elses worked out example, part a desire to blow away a rather mixed and heavily tweeked system (read I've been experimenting on it for so long I'm not sure what I've done anymore)... and a small part the thrill of tackling an interesting problem... ( "Bored Now!" ) In particular I wanted to completely remove a whole bunch of pkg_adds I'd done manually without doing pkg_delete or whatever... given there was nothing I needed to keep, I figured it was easier to reinstall from scratch (4.9-RELEASE), with or without cvsup'ing to 4.9 stable. On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:56 am, Minnesota Slinky wrote: > There's actually a very simple process to use to upgrade, providing you > have a broadband connection: > > 1) cvsup your sources to the newer sources. For more information read > about cvsup or checkout the handbook! > 2) once you have new sources, cd to /usr/src and type make world; this > could take an hour or more > 3) if this completes OK, cd to /usr/src/sys/i386/conf (on 386-based > processor systems) and type: > # config GENERIC (or whatever your kernel config file is) > 4) type: > # cd ../../compile/GENERIC (or name of kernel config file) > # make; make depend; make install > 5) if this completes OK, type: > # shutdown -r now > 6) once rebooted, login, and check uname -a. You will see stats for a > 4.9-x kernel! > > HTH > > Eric F Crist > President > AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc > (612) 998-3588 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of paul van den > bergen > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 6:42 PM > To: FreeBSD-questions > Cc: hackers@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: howto upgrade 4.8 to 4.9 without cdrom or floppy? ERROR > > > After all that angst, I couldn't get it to work anyway - on reboot the > system > reverted to a 4.8 kernel... Not sure why, but gave up at this point... > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:25 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:17 pm, paul van den bergen wrote: > > > Hi... > > > > snip... > > > > I stuffed up... > > > > > # vnconfig vn1 /path/to/freebsd4.9/floppies/boot.flp > > > # mkdir /bootfloppy > > > # mount_mfs /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ > > > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > does not work... > > try simply > > > > # mount /dev/vn1c /bootfloppy/ -- Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 "And some run up hill and down dale, knapping the chucky stones to pieces wi' hammers, like so many road makers run daft. They say it is to see how the world was made." Sir Walter Scott, St. Ronan's Well 1824 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 00:53:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252B416A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law9-f46.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439A543D2D for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:53:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thor_anderson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:53:42 -0800 Received: from 67.22.36.160 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:53:42 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.22.36.160] X-Originating-Email: [thor_anderson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thor_anderson@hotmail.com From: "Thor Anderson" To: drais@wow.atlasta.net, thundergod@bigfoot.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:53:42 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 08:53:42.0276 (UTC) FILETIME=[1B198C40:01C3C3B2] cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: thundergod@bigfoot.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:53:43 -0000 > > What makes this system unusual is that it is “legacy free” >....and thereby it doesn't have a keyboard controller at all. The system >is hanging on boot looking for the keyboard controller itself and not >finding one, since it doesn't exist. >If someone else is familar enough with the workaround for this issue, and >can post it, I could make the changes and build an ISO for you, probably, >though my free time for such at the moment is limited. Thank you David. As you surmised, my BIOS does not have the keyboard emulation mode you mention. Before I ask you to build the kernel for me, I'll try to round up a more convertional computer and try to do it myself. Based upon this (and the other) reply, the key seems to be to compile without any legacy keyboard I/O, to prevent the hang. Let me know if your developers have any further suggestions or if anyone has specific tips to help a newbie achive the kernel build. Thor _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 01:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349A016A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law9-f61.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCE343D31 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thor_anderson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:01:38 -0800 Received: from 67.22.36.160 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:01:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.22.36.160] X-Originating-Email: [thor_anderson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: thor_anderson@hotmail.com From: "Thor Anderson" To: brooks@one-eyed-alien.net, thundergod@bigfoot.com Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:01:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2003 09:01:38.0120 (UTC) FILETIME=[36B99480:01C3C3B3] cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: thundergod@bigfoot.com List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:01:39 -0000 > > FreeBSD hangs without errors early in the install process on my >computer. > > What makes this system unusual is that it > > is "legacy free" which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports >(no > > serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one of > > the five USB ports on the case. > >A friend of mine recently ran into this problem on an embeded system. >The solution for him on 5.x was to enter the following at the loader >prompt to disable the keyboard and floppy probes because they tend to >hang: > >hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=1 >hint.atkbd.0.disabled=1 >hint.fdc.0.disabled=1 > >Unfortnaly, you can't do that since you don't have a serial port. The >one hack I can think of would be to try to PXE boot the CD image from >another machine. You could then modify the loader.conf on the pxe image >to force these settings. > >These drivers are broken and need to be fixed since I'm sure this >problem will only become more common. Thanks Brooks. I'll be trying to find a "normal" computer to install FreeBSD. Hopefully with it, I can try to implement some of the suggestions being offered - including a PXE boot. I found the LOADER.CNF file on the CD. If I were to burn the CD to a CDRW, could I edit that file manually and then boot from the CD? Thor _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 09:45:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A82F16A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:45:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB67043D33 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:45:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryans@gamersimpact.com) Received: from [204.147.92.3] by mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:45:06 -0600 From: Ryan Sommers To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071596493.1155.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:41:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD VFS System? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:45:09 -0000 Are there any good web resources or books on the VFS system that the FreeBSD kernel uses? I'm guessing it might have originated from the 4.4BSD(?) interface. I've been attempting to read through the source code for different system calls (ie mkdir, rmdir, mount/umount) and haven't been able to get very far because of the substantial layers of indirection involved. For this reason I was looking at picking apart the different subsystems involved and was wondering if there was anything any more annotated then the source code itself. Thanks in advance. -- Ryan "leadZERO" Sommers ryans@gamersimpact.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:06:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CC116A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1497643D3F for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBGI6UA7008875; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:30 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id hBGI6UEC008874; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:30 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:30 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: thundergod@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <20031216180630.GC2852@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:06:37 -0000 --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 01:01:37AM -0800, Thor Anderson wrote: > >> FreeBSD hangs without errors early in the install process on my=20 > >computer. >=20 > >> What makes this system unusual is that it > >> is "legacy free" which means it has none of the traditional I/O ports= =20 > >(no > >> serial, parallel, PS/2 or even floppy interface). All I/O is via one = of > >> the five USB ports on the case. > > > >A friend of mine recently ran into this problem on an embeded system. > >The solution for him on 5.x was to enter the following at the loader > >prompt to disable the keyboard and floppy probes because they tend to > >hang: > > > >hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=3D1 > >hint.atkbd.0.disabled=3D1 > >hint.fdc.0.disabled=3D1 > > > >Unfortnaly, you can't do that since you don't have a serial port. The > >one hack I can think of would be to try to PXE boot the CD image from > >another machine. You could then modify the loader.conf on the pxe image > >to force these settings. > > > >These drivers are broken and need to be fixed since I'm sure this > >problem will only become more common. >=20 > Thanks Brooks. >=20 > I'll be trying to find a "normal" computer to install FreeBSD. Hopefully= =20 > with it, I can try to implement some of the suggestions being offered -= =20 > including a PXE boot. If you've got a linux box, it should be able to do it as well. > I found the LOADER.CNF file on the CD. If I were to burn the CD to a CDR= W,=20 > could I edit that file manually and then boot from the CD? With the right tools, you could probably modify the ISO that way, but you can't just copy the files because you need to boot stuff. -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/30mXXY6L6fI4GtQRAhLKAJ91+Q/4V42jsHBn2Icu4IGrTurrZgCfQywy cmZoDNz5aBNNW2GxpIP3+0U= =YUY+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:12:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6832D16A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6555043D35 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:12:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com ([66.31.45.197]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <20031216181242013009ghnpe>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:12:42 +0000 Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (localhost.crodrigues.org [127.0.0.1])hBGICfZ3003207; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:12:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rodrigc@h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost)hBGICeG0003206; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:12:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:12:40 -0500 From: Craig Rodrigues To: Ryan Sommers Message-ID: <20031216181240.GA3177@crodrigues.org> References: <1071596493.1155.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071596493.1155.18.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD VFS System? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:12:44 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:41:33AM -0600, Ryan Sommers wrote: > Are there any good web resources or books on the VFS system that the > FreeBSD kernel uses? I'm guessing it might have originated from the "Recent Filesystem Optimisations in FreeBSD (2002)" Ian Dowse, David Malone http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/dowse02recent.html "The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System" http://www.aw-bc.com/catalog/academic/product/0,4096,0201549794-TOC,00.html -- Craig Rodrigues http://crodrigues.org rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 10:25:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8B816A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:25:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tx3.oucs.ox.ac.uk (tx3.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB5A43D45 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:25:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk) Received: from scan3.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.166] helo=localhost) by tx3.oucs.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJsw-0004xP-Mx for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:25:30 +0000 Received: from rx3.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.165]) by localhost (scan3.oucs.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.166]) (amavisd-new, port 25) with ESMTP id 18852-05 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:25:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.161.253]) by rx3.oucs.ox.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWJsv-0004xJ-Cl for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:25:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 32042 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 2003 18:25:29 -0000 Received: from colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk by gateway by uid 71 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (sweep: 2.14/3.71. spamassassin: 2.53. Clear:. Processed in 1.409386 secs); 16 Dec 2003 18:25:29 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: colin.percival@wadham.ox.ac.uk via gateway X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 1.409386 secs) Received: from dhcp1131.wadham.ox.ac.uk (HELO piii600.wadham.ox.ac.uk) (163.1.161.131) by gateway.wadham.ox.ac.uk with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:25:28 -0000 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.1.20031216181635.02e847b8@popserver.sfu.ca> X-Sender: cperciva@popserver.sfu.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:25:23 +0000 To: Brooks Davis , thundergod@bigfoot.com From: Colin Percival In-Reply-To: <20031215010727.GC4077@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: REPOST - Installation Bug - All available versions hang on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 18:25:34 -0000 At 17:07 14/12/2003 -0800, Brooks Davis wrote: >On Sun, Dec 14, 2003 at 12:57:34PM -0800, Thor Anderson wrote: > > The computer is able to boot other operating systems from CD. Testing > > shows Microsoft as well as Fedora project Linux boot and install properly. > >hint.atkbdc.0.disabled=1 >hint.atkbd.0.disabled=1 >hint.fdc.0.disabled=1 > >Unfortnaly, you can't do that since you don't have a serial port. The >one hack I can think of would be to try to PXE boot the CD image from >another machine. You could then modify the loader.conf on the pxe image >to force these settings. Given that the system can boot Linux, one option is to install linux, build a minimal FreeBSD filesystem, dd it to the drive, and reboot. If you want to be clever, you could even create a filesystem in a md root, and then run sysinstall over ssh. Colin Percival From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 15:30:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EDE16A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.slaponline.com (066-241-084-163.bus.ashlandfiber.net [66.241.84.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF1CE43D33 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas@slaponline.com) Received: (qmail 13307 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 23:30:24 -0000 Received: from 91net-119.sou.edu (HELO slaponline.com) (140.211.91.119) by 066-241-084-163.bus.ashlandfiber.net with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 23:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <3FDF957B.6020602@slaponline.com> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:30:03 -0800 From: "Thomas G. Knight" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031030 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Broadcom 440x X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:30:07 -0000 I saw that you had posted a message regarding the Broadcom 440x drivers. I was just wondering if you ever found a driver and if so where at? Thanks for any info Thomas Knight thomas@slaponline.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 17:34:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6683816A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B0043D6E for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:33:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu74-159-108.nc.rr.com [24.74.159.108])hBH1XhHG004292 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (shumai.marcuscom.com [192.168.1.4]) hBH1Vju5004079 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:31:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ZV7NSiLbjqRa/1nFX4SG" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Message-Id: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:33:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:34:28 -0000 --=-ZV7NSiLbjqRa/1nFX4SG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm trying to figure out the best way to programmatically test to see if a disc device is a DVD device. That is, how can I tell the difference between a CD-[ROM|R|RW] and a DVD-[ROM|R|RW]? Is there a set method for doing this, or should I just try to execute a DVD ioctl, and test to see if it succeeds? Thanks. Joe=20 --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-ZV7NSiLbjqRa/1nFX4SG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/37J1b2iPiv4Uz4cRAntcAKCtfmcoV1JFazXIDTleKKlGkf/nQgCdEg7w XL6C73ECEcSUKpPnlUfeFCg= =1Lk2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZV7NSiLbjqRa/1nFX4SG-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 19:12:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26AF16A4CF for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:12:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.codefusionis.com (ns.codefusionis.com [208.33.29.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A9FBA43D35 for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:11:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedu@zeitbombe.org) Received: (qmail 11395 invoked by uid 1049); 17 Dec 2003 03:12:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 03:12:08 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Unangst X-X-Sender: tedu@ns.codefusionis.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:12:14 -0000 can somebody please review/commit this to freebsd? it is most of the differences to permit openbsd to use the code. it should not change the code in any functional way. Index: ufs_dirhash.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_dirhash.c,v retrieving revision 1.17 diff -u -r1.17 ufs_dirhash.c --- ufs_dirhash.c 11 Jun 2003 06:34:30 -0000 1.17 +++ ufs_dirhash.c 17 Dec 2003 03:04:58 -0000 @@ -89,13 +89,28 @@ static doff_t ufsdirhash_getprev(struct direct *dp, doff_t offset); static int ufsdirhash_recycle(int wanted); -static uma_zone_t ufsdirhash_zone; - /* Dirhash list; recently-used entries are near the tail. */ static TAILQ_HEAD(, dirhash) ufsdirhash_list; /* Protects: ufsdirhash_list, `dh_list' field, ufs_dirhashmem. */ +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ +static uma_zone_t ufsdirhash_zone; +#define DIRHASH_ALLOC() uma_zalloc(ufsdirhash_zone, M_WAITOK) +#define DIRHASH_FREE(v) uma_zfree(ufsdirhash_zone, v) + static struct mtx ufsdirhash_mtx; +#define LOCK(l) mtx_lock(l) +#define UNLOCK(l) mtx_unlock(l) +#else +struct pool ufsdirhash_pool; +#define DIRHASH_ALLOC() pool_get(&ufsdirhash_pool, PR_WAITOK) +#define DIRHASH_FREE(v) pool_put(&ufsdirhash_pool, v) + +struct rwlock ufsdirhash_mtx; +#define LOCK(l) rw_enter_write(l, curproc) +#define UNLOCK(l) rw_exit_write(l) +#define mtx_assert(l, f) /* nothing */ +#endif /* * Locking order: @@ -156,9 +171,9 @@ memreqd = sizeof(*dh) + narrays * sizeof(*dh->dh_hash) + narrays * DH_NBLKOFF * sizeof(**dh->dh_hash) + nblocks * sizeof(*dh->dh_blkfree); - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); if (memreqd + ufs_dirhashmem > ufs_dirhashmaxmem) { - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); if (memreqd > ufs_dirhashmaxmem / 2) return (-1); @@ -168,7 +183,7 @@ /* Enough was freed, and ufsdirhash_mtx has been locked. */ } ufs_dirhashmem += memreqd; - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); /* * Use non-blocking mallocs so that we will revert to a linear @@ -176,9 +191,9 @@ */ MALLOC(dh, struct dirhash *, sizeof *dh, M_DIRHASH, M_NOWAIT | M_ZERO); if (dh == NULL) { - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); ufs_dirhashmem -= memreqd; - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); return (-1); } MALLOC(dh->dh_hash, doff_t **, narrays * sizeof(dh->dh_hash[0]), @@ -188,15 +203,18 @@ if (dh->dh_hash == NULL || dh->dh_blkfree == NULL) goto fail; for (i = 0; i < narrays; i++) { - if ((dh->dh_hash[i] = uma_zalloc(ufsdirhash_zone, - M_WAITOK)) == NULL) + if ((dh->dh_hash[i] = DIRHASH_ALLOC()) == NULL) goto fail; for (j = 0; j < DH_NBLKOFF; j++) dh->dh_hash[i][j] = DIRHASH_EMPTY; } /* Initialise the hash table and block statistics. */ +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ mtx_init(&dh->dh_mtx, "dirhash", NULL, MTX_DEF); +#else + rw_init(&dh->dh_mtx); +#endif dh->dh_narrays = narrays; dh->dh_hlen = nslots; dh->dh_nblk = nblocks; @@ -244,26 +262,26 @@ if (bp != NULL) brelse(bp); - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); TAILQ_INSERT_TAIL(&ufsdirhash_list, dh, dh_list); dh->dh_onlist = 1; - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); return (0); fail: if (dh->dh_hash != NULL) { for (i = 0; i < narrays; i++) if (dh->dh_hash[i] != NULL) - uma_zfree(ufsdirhash_zone, dh->dh_hash[i]); + DIRHASH_FREE(dh->dh_hash[i]); FREE(dh->dh_hash, M_DIRHASH); } if (dh->dh_blkfree != NULL) FREE(dh->dh_blkfree, M_DIRHASH); FREE(dh, M_DIRHASH); ip->i_dirhash = NULL; - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); ufs_dirhashmem -= memreqd; - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); return (-1); } @@ -278,32 +296,34 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_onlist) TAILQ_REMOVE(&ufsdirhash_list, dh, dh_list); - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); /* The dirhash pointed to by 'dh' is exclusively ours now. */ mem = sizeof(*dh); if (dh->dh_hash != NULL) { for (i = 0; i < dh->dh_narrays; i++) - uma_zfree(ufsdirhash_zone, dh->dh_hash[i]); + DIRHASH_FREE(dh->dh_hash[i]); FREE(dh->dh_hash, M_DIRHASH); FREE(dh->dh_blkfree, M_DIRHASH); mem += dh->dh_narrays * sizeof(*dh->dh_hash) + dh->dh_narrays * DH_NBLKOFF * sizeof(**dh->dh_hash) + dh->dh_nblk * sizeof(*dh->dh_blkfree); } +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ mtx_destroy(&dh->dh_mtx); +#endif FREE(dh, M_DIRHASH); ip->i_dirhash = NULL; - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); ufs_dirhashmem -= mem; - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); } /* @@ -339,8 +359,8 @@ * In both cases, end up holding just dh_mtx. */ if (TAILQ_NEXT(dh, dh_list) != NULL) { - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); /* * If the new score will be greater than that of the next * entry, then move this entry past it. With both mutexes @@ -355,13 +375,13 @@ TAILQ_INSERT_AFTER(&ufsdirhash_list, dh_next, dh, dh_list); } - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); } else { /* Already the last, though that could change as we wait. */ - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return (EJUSTRETURN); } @@ -403,7 +423,7 @@ slot = WRAPINCR(slot, dh->dh_hlen)) { if (offset == DIRHASH_DEL) continue; - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (offset < 0 || offset >= ip->i_size) panic("ufsdirhash_lookup: bad offset in hash array"); @@ -447,9 +467,9 @@ return (0); } - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (bp != NULL) brelse(bp); ufsdirhash_free(ip); @@ -464,7 +484,7 @@ goto restart; } } - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (bp != NULL) brelse(bp); return (ENOENT); @@ -497,9 +517,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return (-1); - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return (-1); } @@ -510,14 +530,14 @@ if ((dirblock = dh->dh_firstfree[i]) != -1) break; if (dirblock == -1) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); return (-1); } KASSERT(dirblock < dh->dh_nblk && dh->dh_blkfree[dirblock] >= howmany(slotneeded, DIRALIGN), ("ufsdirhash_findfree: bad stats")); - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); pos = dirblock * DIRBLKSIZ; error = UFS_BLKATOFF(ip->i_vnode, (off_t)pos, (char **)&dp, &bp); if (error) @@ -577,22 +597,22 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return (-1); - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return (-1); } if (dh->dh_blkfree[dh->dh_dirblks - 1] != DIRBLKSIZ / DIRALIGN) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); return (-1); } for (i = dh->dh_dirblks - 1; i >= 0; i--) if (dh->dh_blkfree[i] != DIRBLKSIZ / DIRALIGN) break; - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); return ((doff_t)(i + 1) * DIRBLKSIZ); } @@ -609,9 +629,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -623,7 +643,7 @@ * remove the hash entirely and let it be rebuilt later. */ if (dh->dh_hused >= (dh->dh_hlen * 3) / 4) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -638,7 +658,7 @@ /* Update the per-block summary info. */ ufsdirhash_adjfree(dh, offset, -DIRSIZ(0, dirp)); - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -654,9 +674,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -671,7 +691,7 @@ /* Update the per-block summary info. */ ufsdirhash_adjfree(dh, offset, DIRSIZ(0, dirp)); - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -687,9 +707,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -700,7 +720,7 @@ /* Find the entry, and update the offset. */ slot = ufsdirhash_findslot(dh, dirp->d_name, dirp->d_namlen, oldoff); DH_ENTRY(dh, slot) = newoff; - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -715,9 +735,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -727,7 +747,7 @@ block = offset / DIRBLKSIZ; if (block >= dh->dh_nblk) { /* Out of space; must rebuild. */ - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -737,7 +757,7 @@ dh->dh_blkfree[block] = DIRBLKSIZ / DIRALIGN; if (dh->dh_firstfree[DH_NFSTATS] == -1) dh->dh_firstfree[DH_NFSTATS] = block; - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -751,9 +771,9 @@ if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -768,7 +788,7 @@ * if necessary. */ if (block < dh->dh_nblk / 8 && dh->dh_narrays > 1) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -787,7 +807,7 @@ if (dh->dh_firstfree[i] >= block) panic("ufsdirhash_dirtrunc: first free corrupt"); dh->dh_dirblks = block; - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -810,9 +830,9 @@ return; if ((dh = ip->i_dirhash) == NULL) return; - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); if (dh->dh_hash == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); ufsdirhash_free(ip); return; } @@ -859,7 +879,7 @@ panic("ufsdirhash_checkblock: bad first-free"); if (dh->dh_firstfree[ffslot] == -1) panic("ufsdirhash_checkblock: missing first-free entry"); - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); } /* @@ -1018,20 +1038,20 @@ u_int8_t *blkfree; int i, mem, narrays; - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); while (wanted + ufs_dirhashmem > ufs_dirhashmaxmem) { /* Find a dirhash, and lock it. */ if ((dh = TAILQ_FIRST(&ufsdirhash_list)) == NULL) { - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); return (-1); } - mtx_lock(&dh->dh_mtx); + LOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); KASSERT(dh->dh_hash != NULL, ("dirhash: NULL hash on list")); /* Decrement the score; only recycle if it becomes zero. */ if (--dh->dh_score > 0) { - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); return (-1); } @@ -1048,15 +1068,15 @@ dh->dh_nblk * sizeof(*dh->dh_blkfree); /* Unlock everything, free the detached memory. */ - mtx_unlock(&dh->dh_mtx); - mtx_unlock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + UNLOCK(&dh->dh_mtx); + UNLOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); for (i = 0; i < narrays; i++) - uma_zfree(ufsdirhash_zone, hash[i]); + DIRHASH_FREE(hash[i]); FREE(hash, M_DIRHASH); FREE(blkfree, M_DIRHASH); /* Account for the returned memory, and repeat if necessary. */ - mtx_lock(&ufsdirhash_mtx); + LOCK(&ufsdirhash_mtx); ufs_dirhashmem -= mem; } /* Success; return with ufsdirhash_mtx locked. */ @@ -1067,9 +1087,15 @@ void ufsdirhash_init() { +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ ufsdirhash_zone = uma_zcreate("DIRHASH", DH_NBLKOFF * sizeof(doff_t), NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, UMA_ALIGN_PTR, 0); mtx_init(&ufsdirhash_mtx, "dirhash list", NULL, MTX_DEF); +#else + pool_init(&umadirhash_pool, DH_NBLKOFF * sizeof(doff_t), 0, 0, + "dirhash", &pool_allocator_nointr); + rw_init(&ufsdirhash_mtx); +#endif TAILQ_INIT(&ufsdirhash_list); } @@ -1077,8 +1103,12 @@ ufsdirhash_uninit() { KASSERT(TAILQ_EMPTY(&ufsdirhash_list), ("ufsdirhash_uninit")); +#ifdef __FreeBSD__ uma_zdestroy(ufsdirhash_zone); mtx_destroy(&ufsdirhash_mtx); +#else + pool_destroy(&ufsdirhash_pool); +#endif } #endif /* UFS_DIRHASH */ -- you are more than the sum of what you consume From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 16 19:51:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCF716A4CE for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4594443D3C for ; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:51:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@bsdhome.com) Received: from neutrino.bsdhome.com (cpe-024-211-176-245.nc.rr.com [24.211.176.245])hBH3p7HG005301; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from neutrino.bsdhome.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBH3p6ij001250; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:51:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bsd@neutrino.bsdhome.com) Received: (from bsd@localhost) by neutrino.bsdhome.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBH3p1ns001245; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:51:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bsd) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:51:01 -0500 From: Brian Dean To: "M. Warner Losh" Message-ID: <20031217035101.GA1148@neutrino.bsdhome.com> References: <20031126021144.GB617@neutrino.bsdhome.com> <20031125.232429.11430485.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031125.232429.11430485.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: puc/sio driver - receives but doesn't send X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:51:19 -0000 Hi, Just to follow up on this item ... I never did get the other card working. I checked solder joints under a magnifying glass, changed card slots, tried every serial cable configuration known (which is a lot), and still no joy. Finally, getting tired of trying to make the other card work, I bought a different brand of card (Moxa CP-114) via ebay for what I thought was a good price. I just tested it out and it works just fine. Thanks for all the suggestions on the other card - I suspect it was just a bad card as others have reported it works. I'll see if I can return it to where I bought it. -Brian -- Brian Dean bsd@FreeBSD.org bsd@bsdhome.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 04:52:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD3F16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE28843D4C for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ100EVEIFBPB@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (postfix@haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) hBHCqMsU003338; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:22 +0100 (MET) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8F51D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:22 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4BF224657; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:52:20 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer In-reply-to: <3FDF957B.6020602@slaponline.com> To: "Thomas G. Knight" Message-id: <20031217125220.GB41547@unixpages.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-BETA X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D References: <3FDF957B.6020602@slaponline.com> cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Broadcom 440x X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:52:26 -0000 --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 03:30:03PM -0800, Thomas G. Knight wrote: > I saw that you had posted a message regarding the Broadcom 440x drivers.= =20 > I was just wondering if you ever found a driver and if so where at? >=20 Take a look at the bfe(4) driver, it supports the Broadcom BCM4401 chips. It's available in 5-CURRENT (and the upcoming 5.2-RELEASE). - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/4FGEbHYXjKDtmC0RAig6AJ9nJ9MaRhrPfBgcyVTMcbM+1Tk2jACgjg8V 5IGjtteyDbmUQG6KR3a8w5s= =ZtOF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 07:14:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E6B16A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from newman.gte.com (newman.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3739143D6D for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ak03@gte.com) Received: from h132-197-179-27.gte.com (kanpc.gte.com [132.197.179.27]) by newman.gte.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA04151; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from kanpc.gte.com (localhost [IPv6:::1])hBHFEFMU077800; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:14:15 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ak03@gte.com) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:14:15 -0500 From: Alexander Kabaev To: Ted Unangst Message-Id: <20031217101415.58d0e1fa.ak03@gte.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Verizon Data Services X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws71 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:14:20 -0000 On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) Ted Unangst wrote: > can somebody please review/commit this to freebsd? it is most of the > differences to permit openbsd to use the code. it should not change > the code in any functional way. I do not think there is any point in this code ever hitting FreeBSD CVS repository. Rather, OpenBSD should just take cleaned-out copy of this code and be done with it. -- Alexander Kabaev From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 08:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8056B16A4CF for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA843D46 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:02:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBHG1YUd036744; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)hBHG1Yq3036741; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:01:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alexander Kabaev In-Reply-To: <20031217101415.58d0e1fa.ak03@gte.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Ted Unangst Subject: Re: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:02:01 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) > Ted Unangst wrote: > > > can somebody please review/commit this to freebsd? it is most of the > > differences to permit openbsd to use the code. it should not change > > the code in any functional way. > > I do not think there is any point in this code ever hitting FreeBSD CVS > repository. Rather, OpenBSD should just take cleaned-out copy of this > code and be done with it. Well, it's true the #ifdef OpenBSD's probably don't help the readability of our code, abstracting a step by using macros to wrap specific locking primitives is a widely used approach in the FreeBSD tree, especially where it's not clear a final locking strategy has been developed due to a lack of profiling. For example, in both the network code and process management code, we wrap mutexes/sxlocks in macros to avoid committing to either, and to make changing the strategy easier. I wouldn't object to our adopting the macro wrapping, which would have the side effect of helping the OpenBSD patch size a lot also, even leaving out the #ifdef's. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 08:08:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB4916A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEDE43D70 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBHG7pUd036859; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:07:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)hBHG7p7C036856; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:07:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Alexander Kabaev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Ted Unangst Subject: Re: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:08:44 -0000 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Robert Watson wrote: > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Alexander Kabaev wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:12:08 -0500 (EST) > > Ted Unangst wrote: > > > > > can somebody please review/commit this to freebsd? it is most of the > > > differences to permit openbsd to use the code. it should not change > > > the code in any functional way. > > > > I do not think there is any point in this code ever hitting FreeBSD CVS > > repository. Rather, OpenBSD should just take cleaned-out copy of this > > code and be done with it. > > Well, it's true the #ifdef OpenBSD's probably don't help the readability > of our code, abstracting a step by using macros to wrap specific locking > primitives is a widely used approach in the FreeBSD tree, especially > where it's not clear a final locking strategy has been developed due to > a lack of profiling. For example, in both the network code and process > management code, we wrap mutexes/sxlocks in macros to avoid committing > to either, and to make changing the strategy easier. I wouldn't object > to our adopting the macro wrapping, which would have the side effect of > helping the OpenBSD patch size a lot also, even leaving out the > #ifdef's. That said, LOCK() is a terrible name for a macro. :-) If anything, it should be DIRHASH_LOCK() or the like. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 10:09:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE98816A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.codefusionis.com (ns.codefusionis.com [208.33.29.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DD2E43D36 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedu@zeitbombe.org) Received: (qmail 7476 invoked by uid 1049); 17 Dec 2003 18:09:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 18:09:18 -0000 Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Unangst X-X-Sender: tedu@ns.codefusionis.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:09:29 -0000 while on the subject, there's a piece of code something like this in freebsd: /* * We hash the name and then some other bit of data that is * invariant over the dirhash's lifetime. Otherwise names * differing only in the last byte are placed close to one * another in the table, which is bad for linear probing. */ hash = hash32_buf(name, namelen, HASHINIT); hash = hash32_buf(dh, sizeof(dh), hash); which isn't doing what you'd expect (hashing the dh pointer), instead it hashes the first bytes of dh, conveniently a constant value so it works, but it provides no benefit. fix is making it &dh. i'd provide a diff, but it's a little large. :) -- all we're waiting for is for something worth waiting for From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 11:03:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C66216A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 872FE43D50 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from hamilton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 17 Dec 2003 19:03:08 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:03:07 +0000 From: David Malone To: Ted Unangst Message-ID: <20031217190307.GA43344@hamilton.maths.tcd.ie> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: patch: portable dirhash X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:03:11 -0000 On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 01:09:18PM -0500, Ted Unangst wrote: > while on the subject, there's a piece of code something like this in > freebsd: > /* > * We hash the name and then some other bit of data that is > * invariant over the dirhash's lifetime. Otherwise names > * differing only in the last byte are placed close to one > * another in the table, which is bad for linear probing. > */ > hash = hash32_buf(name, namelen, HASHINIT); > hash = hash32_buf(dh, sizeof(dh), hash); > > which isn't doing what you'd expect (hashing the dh pointer), instead it > hashes the first bytes of dh, conveniently a constant value so it works, > but it provides no benefit. fix is making it &dh. i'd provide a diff, > but it's a little large. :) Ahhh! Well spotted. Actually, it does provide the benefit, even though it it wasn't the value that I'd intended to hash here. Because of the way that the fnv hash works, turning the handle on the hash function one more time should usually split up similar filenames. I'll have a quick think about which one is really better to hash. I don't think there's an advantage to either in particular. If we were to start reallocating dh_hash without freeing dh, then we'd get a slightly different hash function each time, which might be a slight advantage. However, we don't do that right now, so... David. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 12:38:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9262016A4D3 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from f7.mail.ru (f7.mail.ru [194.67.57.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9811143D31 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shmukler@mail.ru) Received: from mail by f7.mail.ru with local id 1AWiR4-000FNQ-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:38:22 +0300 Received: from [24.184.137.78] by msg.mail.ru with HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:38:22 +0300 From: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Igor Shmukler=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [24.184.137.78] Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:38:22 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Subject: a possible explanation for the mmap benchmarks X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?koi8-r?Q?=22?=Igor Shmukler=?koi8-r?Q?=22=20?= List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:38:28 -0000 First of all I do not want to start any kind of war here. I studied results of Felix's benchmark some time ago and now I think I have a possible explanation for what happens. I do not mean to invalidate results. I just want to offer a cause, in case someone is unaware. What does mmapbench do? It does mmap of every other page on 200MB file (by default). Since it does mmap sequentialy, free space linear search vs hint works very well, so we get almost constant time free space allocation (I have tested Linux kernel 2.4 - it spends more and more time on each subsequent mmap as the number of mapped regions growth. 2.6 should be OK, since they are start using search hint :-) ) During sequential mmaping, splay tree [used in vm_map_lookup_entry()] degenerates to a list. Later, when mmapbench sequentialy touches mmaped regions, entry search using degenerated splay tree gives almost the same results as linear entry search vs hint. So again - no improvements on such test conditions. RB-tree (NetBSD), as I understand, rebalances itself after each insert. Splay tree only does rebalancing during sort. The questions is whether altered benchmark, where things are done randomly will produce similar results. I do not know the answer, yet. However, I believe it very well might. I would be glad to know whether it seems reasonable to anyone? I contacted the author, but he has not had a chance to reply yet. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 15:44:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8361516A4CE for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.vicor-nb.com (bigwoop.vicor-nb.com [208.206.78.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91EBA43D41 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@vicor.com) Received: from vicor.com (julian.vicor-nb.com [208.206.78.97]) by mail.vicor-nb.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470717A451 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FE0EA71.10807@vicor.com> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:44:49 -0800 From: Julian Elischer Organization: VICOR User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en, hu MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Machines with >= 4GB of RAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:44:53 -0000 Obviously for >4GB you need PAE but at one stage it was required that to run with 54GB of ram the kernel base was moved down from the 3GB point (0xc0000000) to the 2GB point (0x80000000) Is this still required? And what is the configuration value to achieve this? I've been trying to thing os search criterea that would retrieve mails that spell this out and searched the handbook, but without too much success. I'm guessing that options KVA_PAGES=512 may be a start, but is it still required, and do I have to change anything else to match it? (where does the Makefile work out where to link the kernel for?) Is a value of 512 enough for a machine with 16GB of RAM? Any hints, (even a better google search string) appreciated. Julian From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 17 20:51:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4A316A4CF for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448DA43D1F for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:51:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBI4pIV9017021; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBI4pItD017020; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:51:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:51:17 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <20031218045117.GA16994@dragon.nuxi.com> Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Julian Elischer , hackers@freebsd.org References: <3FE0EA71.10807@vicor.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE0EA71.10807@vicor.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-BETA Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Machines with >= 4GB of RAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:51:21 -0000 On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 03:44:49PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > Obviously for >4GB you need PAE Or an AMD64 machine. (which don't cost anymore than a machine you'd be worrying aboiut PAE on) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 02:31:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4903416A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from green.veraserve1.com (green.veraserve1.com [205.214.81.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBFB43D49 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from christoffer@trollcomputing.com) Received: from cpanel by green.veraserve1.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AWvRe-0001p9-EQ for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:31:50 -0700 Received: from ft016081.dep.no (ft016081.dep.no [132.150.16.81]) by www.trollcomputing.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:31:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1071743510.3fe1821661a98@www.trollcomputing.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:31:50 -0700 From: christoffer@trollcomputing.com To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 132.150.16.81 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - green.veraserve1.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trollcomputing.com Subject: nsswitch/libnss_winbind.so problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:31:50 -0000 Hello all! I'm running FreeBSD v. 5.1 I'm having problems getting commands like chmod and chown to read winbind data. I've installed samba from ports with the make WITH_WINBIND_NSS=yes compile option. I've also created a /etc/nsswitch.conf file containing: passwd: files winbind group: files winbind I've copied the : /usr/ports/net/samba/work/samba-2.2.8a/source/nsswitch/libnss_winbind.so to: /usr/lib (also tried /usr/local/lib) I've done all the nessecary samba configurations, and can get user and groups with : wbinfo -u and -g. I've allso joined my NT domain with no problems, so winbind is working properly. The thing is that commands like chmod and chown can not assign to the winbind gathered user/group list. I belive these commands use the information from /etc/nsswitch.conf when they get usernames and groupnames? I just get "invalid argument" when trying to chown a file to a user from the winbind list. Please help me out! From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 07:35:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77E716A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:35:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.celabo.org (gw.celabo.org [208.42.49.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8276443D3F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@celabo.org) Received: from madman.celabo.org (madman.celabo.org [10.0.1.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "madman.celabo.org", Issuer "celabo.org CA" (verified OK)) by gw.celabo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE485482B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:35:38 -0600 (CST) Received: by madman.celabo.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A2CE46D455; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:35:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:35:37 -0600 From: "Jacques A. Vidrine" To: christoffer@trollcomputing.com Message-ID: <20031218153537.GD36221@madman.celabo.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Jacques A. Vidrine" , christoffer@trollcomputing.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <1071743510.3fe1821661a98@www.trollcomputing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071743510.3fe1821661a98@www.trollcomputing.com> X-Url: http://www.celabo.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i-ja.1 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nsswitch/libnss_winbind.so problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:49 -0000 On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 03:31:50AM -0700, christoffer@trollcomputing.com wrote: > Hello all! > > I'm running FreeBSD v. 5.1 > I'm having problems getting commands like > chmod and chown to read winbind data. > > I've installed samba from ports with the > > make WITH_WINBIND_NSS=yes > > compile option. Did you also make WITH_WINBIND_NSS=yes install or just `make install' ? Port make options must be set for every stage (configure, build, install, package, etc). > I've also created a > /etc/nsswitch.conf file containing: > > passwd: files winbind > group: files winbind > > I've copied the : > /usr/ports/net/samba/work/samba-2.2.8a/source/nsswitch/libnss_winbind.so > to: > /usr/lib > (also tried /usr/local/lib) This is not necessary. If the port was correctly installed, you will have /usr/local/lib/nss_winbind.so.1. What is the output of pkg_info -L samba-\* | grep nss_winbind ? > I've done all the nessecary samba configurations, and can get user and groups > with : > wbinfo -u and -g. I've allso joined my NT domain with no problems, > so winbind is working properly. > > The thing is that commands like chmod and chown can not assign to the winbind > gathered user/group list. > > I belive these commands use the information from /etc/nsswitch.conf when they > get usernames and groupnames? > > I just get "invalid argument" when trying to chown a file to a user from the > winbind list. > > Please help me out! Do you see anything in syslog at LOG_DEBUG level? 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1C116A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bear.easymailers.org (bear.easymailers.org [66.151.131.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F2843D45 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by bear.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC7C460A298C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18641247.1071764528058.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "First Stop: College @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 91948 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Is it time to ditch senior year? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:20 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ FIRST STOP: COLLEGE Tools you need to make the right choices December 11, 2003 =================================================== IS IT TIME TO DITCH SENIOR YEAR? (Education news) "I'm proof you don't really need to graduate from high school. That's just propaganda from those money-grubbing diploma companies." -- Richie, Malcolm in the Middle Senior year, and what to do with it, have become the subject of an ongoing national debate centered around the fundamental question: What is senior year for? 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2a91948 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A9616A4CF for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from panda.easymailers.org (panda.easymailers.org [66.151.131.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3106543D31 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by panda.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D1124E935BB for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26774704.1071764528082.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "Money Matters @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 92269 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: The war over statins, helping the troops, and more X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:20 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ Money Matters A weekly spotlight on business and personal finance Dec. 16, 2003 =================================================== THE WEEK AHEAD (Biz Buzz) Look for a slew of economic data to come out this week. Pay particularly close attention to Tuesday's consumer price index report. A look at the week ahead: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92269a193255559a3 -------------------------- PILL PROFITS (Drug industry news) Sometime shortly after the eggnog washes down the last of the pumpkin pie this holiday season, Americans can expect an aggressive advertising campaign warning them of the dangers of high cholesterol. If the seemingly ubiquitous advertisements for Lipitor and Zocor haven't driven home the ability of statin drugs to lower levels of the artery-clogging goo yet, expect AstraZeneca's Crestor to add to the noise level. 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2a92269 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C238816A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from deer.easymailers.org (deer.easymailers.org [66.151.131.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006EE43D4B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by deer.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BE5461B31D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3975390.1071764528091.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "Washington Whispers @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 92435 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: 'Radio Free NRA' eyes broadcast from Mexico X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:22 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ Washington Whispers Weekly Volume 3, Issue 43 -- December 17, 2003 ======================================================= OLD GRUDGES (Sound bytes) "Reagan on a personal basis is terrible. He just isn't pleasant to be around." Richard Nixon, from a new batch of White House tapes "I can forgive Wesley Clark, but my wife can't." Who said it? Click here to find out: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92435a193255559a0 --------------------------------------- 'RADIO FREE NRA' EYES MEXICO (Whisper) There could be a new twist in the National Rifle Association's bid to get around speech limits in the campaign finance law just blessed by the Supreme Court. Instead of trying to buy a domestic radio or cable TV station, the NRA might go gunning for its enemies from outside U.S. borders. Another option: Set sail in the Good Ship NRA and broadcast from international waters: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92435a193255559a1 --------------------------------------- THE GRINCH LIST (Whisper) Christmas-haters, beware: Your politically correct bid to swap "Happy Holidays" for "Merry Christmas" could win you a consumer boycott. Grinchlist.com was just fired up to target the happy holidays crowd, like Bloomingdale's and Home Depot. The goal, say the organizers, is to punish those who profit from Christmas but refuse to use the word. --------------------------------------- PICK YOUR FAVORITE VP (Weekly poll) Wes Clark has suggested Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton might be a good running mate. Who's your choice on the Democratic side? -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton -- Wes Clark -- Sen. Tom Daschle -- Sen. Edward M. 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2a92435 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07BD16A4CF for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule.easymailers.org (mule.easymailers.org [66.151.131.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2D943D46 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by mule.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0CB484C09FA for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6551192.1071764528108.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "Next Stop: Career @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 92494 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Where will your Ph.D. take you? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:22 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ NEXT STOP: CAREER Tools and tips for internships, grad schools, and careers Dec. 18, 2003 =================================================== WILL THERE BE JOBS? (Job prospects) "Do not pass go, go directly to Ph.D." --Dr. Josh Keyes, "The Core" If you are considering a Ph.D. in the humanities but can't stop worrying about your career prospects, there is some good news to go along with the farrago of grim news you may have been hearing lately. We've got the lowdown on academic prospects for Ph.D.'s in government, psychology, writing, teaching, and more. In addition, employers outside of academia are increasingly looking for individuals with sophisticated analytic skills, opening up a much wider range of job options than ever before for Ph.D.'s. Where will your Ph.D. take you? http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92494a193255559a1 Get access to graduate school rankings, school application information, and a host of tools with the Premium Online Edition of America's Best Graduate Schools 2004: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92494a193255559a2 ---------------------------------------- MAD FOR SCIENTISTS (Job opportunities) If you spent your college years in the lab, there is good news for you too. The bad news first: Scientists haven't completely escaped the economic downturn. Pharmaceutical and biotech companies aren't recruiting as aggressively as they had been, industry labs have shut down, and some cash-strapped universities aren't hiring at all. However, despite the slowdown, science Ph.D.'s "have too many skills not to find a position," says Eleanor Babco, the executive director of the nonprofit Commission on Professionals in Science and Technology. From academia to patent law, there are positions for people like you. What does the job outlook look like? http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92494a193255559a0 ---------------------------------------- GET A JOB (Job-search resources) Okay, so you aren't going to graduate school. No problem. We have assembled a list of job-search resources to help you navigate the murky job market. If you know what you want to do, or are starting from scratch, we can help you search through the listings to find the job for you. 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2a92494 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921416A4D1 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from boar.easymailers.org (boar.easymailers.org [66.151.131.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319B743D41 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by boar.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DF84DEB5F3B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7519042.1071764528099.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "Health Smart @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 92424 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Guarding Against Mistakes X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:22 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ Health Smart: Patient Safety Volume 3, Issue 22 -- Dec. 17, 2003 =================================== WAKE UP, DOC (Health News) "It just made me want to get through patient rounds quicker to get them done." --Shamarie Sais, on her 120-hour workweek as a resident at the University of Wisconsin-Madison A new set of rules recently went into effect, fueled by growing fear that sleep-deprived doctors might be doing as much harm as good. The Accreditation Council for Graduate Medical Education, which oversees about 8,000 residency programs in the United States, has decreed that residents may no longer work more than 80 hours a week on average--and no more than 30 hours at a stretch. 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Usually people visit a doctor's office to get better: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92424a193255559a3 ------------------------------ GUARDING AGAINST MISTAKES (Safety Tips) Each year, hundreds of thousands of American hospital patients are injured and tens of thousands die not because of the condition that brought them to the hospital but because of errors made after they walked in. Medications with similar names are mixed up; dosages are misread; blood is mislabeled; surgeons operate on the wrong body part. You can guard against tragedy-­but you can't be passive: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92424a193255559a0 ------------------------------ SPEAKING UP FOR SAFETY (Health News) "Consumers aren't angry enough yet." --Donald Berwick, president and CEO of the Institute for Healthcare Improvement Dangerous errors, long the shameful secret of medicine, are finally starting to get some attention. Each year, hundreds of thousands of Americans are needlessly injured or killed by a medical system that is supposed to protect them. In a 2001 survey for the Commonwealth Fund, 10 percent of adults said that they or a family member had become sicker as a result of a medical mistake. Patients and their relatives are gaining a voice in fighting dangerous errors: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92424a193255559a1 ------------------------------ 'I'M ON FIRE...' (Health News) "My lips were cooked, and my sinuses burnt up." --Melanie Allen, victim of a flash fire during surgery Melanie Allen sleeps in fits and starts these days, consumed by a recurring nightmare of her head being seared by a white-hot flame. Even when she's awake, she can't shake the nauseous feeling or the fear. Allen was the victim of a flash fire during surgery. The fire apparently was caused when an electro-cauterizing instrument ignited her surgical covers in the oxygen-rich environment. 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Bayshore Road, Palo Alto, CA 94303 USA. http://www.you-click.net/Change-Remove/a15504a193255559a2a92424 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 08:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125C716A4CF for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sheep.easymailers.org (sheep.easymailers.org [66.151.131.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD6A43D48 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from usnews.com_Newsletters@clickaction.net) Received: from hawk (unknown [192.168.5.111]) by sheep.easymailers.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129734E2A2639 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5723435.1071764528066.JavaMail.ema@hawk> From: "This Week @ U.S.News.com" To: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Header-Userid: 193255559 X-Header-Partid: 15504 X-Header-Pitchid: 92245 X-Header-Date: 18-Dec-2003 X-Header-Version: 6.2 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: The End of the Road for Saddam X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:23 -0000 Dear Jesus, ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ W E L C O M E T O U S N E W S . C O M ~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~..~.~ THIS WEEK @ USNEWS Highlights from the magazine and usnews.com Dec. 16, 2003 =================================================== END OF THE ROAD (Web Exclusive) "Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him!" --Paul Bremer, announcing the capture of Saddam Hussein His image, strong and virile, gazed from countless buildings when he ruled Iraq like his personal fiefdom. In his gleaming palaces, he greeted courtiers and diplomats in hand-cut suits and beautiful silk ties. After he rebuilt ancient Babylon, his name was engraved in gleaming stone alongside those of Nebuchadnezzar and Hammurabi. But when he emerged from his fetid spider-hole on Saturday, Saddam Hussein resembled nothing so much as one of those fairy-tale trolls who live under bridges, his lank hair tangled and greasy, his grey-streaked beard a thicket that looked like an old scrub brush. Saddam Hussein was captured Saturday night in a raid near his hometown of Tikrit: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92245a193255559a5 -------------------------- JESUS IN AMERICA (Cover Story) "One way you figure out your place in America is figuring out what you think about Jesus." --Stephen Prothero, chairman of the religion department at Boston University and author of a new book, "American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon" As two new scholarly studies show, for more than two centuries Americans have been busy recasting the image of Jesus to suit contemporary sensibilities and to advance personal or political agendas. From the revivalist sermons of the 19th century's Second Great Awakening to the '70s rock opera "Jesus Christ Superstar" to Mel Gibson's forthcoming film depicting Christ's Passion, those engaged in representing Jesus always claim to be returning to the real Galilean. Behind the wild success of The Da Vinci Code lies a centuries-old urge to recapture the original Jesus: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92245a193255559a7 -------------------------- BUSH'S SECRETS (Investigative Report) "I think they have an overreliance on the utility of secrecy. They don't seem to realize secrecy is a two-edge sword that cuts you as well as protects you." --Steven Garfinkel, a retired government lawyer and expert on classified information about the Bush administration For the past three years, the Bush administration has quietly but efficiently dropped a shroud of secrecy across many critical operations of the federal government--cloaking its own affairs from scrutiny and removing from the public domain important information on health, safety, and environmental matters. The result has been a reversal of a decades-long trend of openness in government while making increasing amounts of information unavailable to the taxpayers who pay for its collection and analysis. The administration is doing the public's business out of the public eye, far more than has been documented. Here's how–and why: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92245a193255559a3 -------------------------- WHO KILLED ANNA MAE? (Special Report) "Had this been a white person in the Republican Party, they would have solved it right away." --Roger Amiotte, an Indian cattle rancher who found Anna Mae's body at the bottom of a 30-foot ravine In the middle of the 1973 Wounded Knee standoff was Anna Mae Pictou-Aquash. Though not yet 30, Anna Mae was one of a very few women prominent within the American Indian Movement, and her dedication to the cause made her a larger-than-life figure. But ultimately Anna Mae found that life on the Pine Ridge reservation could be frighteningly cheap. In December 1975, she was killed with a gunshot to the back of the head. And an enduring mystery was born. Two years after the 1973 Wounded Knee siege, an Indian activist was shot in a South Dakota ravine. At last, her murder is going to trial: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92245a193255559a0 -------------------------- PILL PROFITS (Money & Business) "With such a combination of pressure and opportunity, sparks are going to fly." --Barrie James, a pharmaceutical marketing consultant Sometime shortly after the eggnog washes down the last of the pumpkin pie this holiday season, Americans can expect an aggressive advertising campaign warning them of the dangers of high cholesterol. If the seemingly ubiquitous advertisements for Lipitor and Zocor haven't driven home the ability of statin drugs to lower levels of the artery-clogging goo yet, expect AstraZeneca's Crestor to add to the noise level. Drugmakers gird for a multibillion-dollar marketing war over cholesterol-lowering drugs while consumers try to sort through the hype: http://www.you-click.net/GoNow/a15504a92245a193255559a1 -------------------------- AN ELECTION...FOR A SHERIFF (Editorial) "How does an open and disputatious democracy (i.e. us) deal with a ruthless group of radical Islamists?" --Mortimer Zuckerman, Editor-in-chief For the first time since the Vietnam era's presidential campaigns in 1968 and 1972, foreign policy will dominate a presidential election as it hasn't done through successive convulsions from the collapse of the Soviet Union to the first Gulf War. The slogan that captured American politics in 1992 was "It's the economy, stupid." In 1996, fewer than 5 percent voted on the basis of foreign policy. 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:29:12 -0500 X-Spam-Status-LCSR: dragon spam scanned Received: from [128.6.171.146] (account bohra HELO cs.rutgers.edu) by dragon.rutgers.edu (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with ESMTP id 10510029 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:29:03 -0500 Message-ID: <3FE1E3AF.5080500@cs.rutgers.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:28:15 -0500 From: Aniruddha Bohra User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031024 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Subject: Subscription to n lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:37:38 -0000 Somebody is again subscribing hackers to several lists.. Again a disgruntled member maybe ... Is there any way to stop this ? Aniruddha From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 09:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8464916A525 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192CD43E01 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:40:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE033D34; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Aniruddha Bohra Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:40:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FE1A03C.5448.912A8EF8@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3FE1E3AF.5080500@cs.rutgers.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Subscription to n lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:41:05 -0000 On 18 Dec 2003 at 12:28, Aniruddha Bohra wrote: > Is there any way to stop this ? Ignore it. 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To: Julian Elischer Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:45:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FE1936A.10308.75BF6ECA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3FE0EA71.10807@vicor.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Machines with >= 4GB of RAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: andykinney@advantagecom.net List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:43:43 -0000 On 17 Dec 2003 at 15:44, Julian Elischer wrote: > options KVA_PAGES=512 > > may be a start, but is it still required, and do I have to change > anything else to match it? (where does the Makefile work out where to > link the kernel for?) > Is a value of 512 enough for a machine with 16GB of RAM? > > Any hints, (even a better google search string) appreciated. > > Julian > > Julian, We have a 4GB machine running 4.8-RELEASE, so we aren't using PAE, but we had to make changes similar to what you're asking about for a different reason. Your requirements will vary depending on the version of FreeBSD you're running, but in general, increasing KVA_PAGES will help considerably with stability on large memory machines. It should be noted that releases prior to 4.8 required more changes than just KVA_PAGES, but the documentation is a bit muddied on that subject. I don't know if it is required, but we rebuilt the world after changing KVA_PAGES just to make sure that any hidden dependencies on that value were handled in things other than the kernel. As far as 512 being a large enough setting for a 16GB machine, that depends entirely on what you plan to do with the machine and its usage pattern of various system resources. For instance, on our 4GB machine, it does a lot of heavy web serving, databases, and email. We needed the 2GB KVA on that machine because of large numbers of files, large network buffers, and some weirdness relating to Apache and pv entries. If your usage patterns were similar and you wanted to make full use of the 16GB without getting trap 12 panics, then 2GB KVA may be inadequate. My suggestion is to try it out and keep an eye on sysctl vm.kvm_free. When that starts to run low, it should be a pretty good indicator that you need a larger KVA_PAGES value. Regarding the remark by another fellow that AMD64 is a solution, it's only a solution when AMD64 support on FreeBSD is a bit more stable and complete. Also, there is the issue that big companies like Dell don't (and probably won't) offer any AMD powered systems due to probable contractual obligations to Intel. At companies like the one I work at, Dell provides generous financing terms and that weighs a bit on who gets our server dollars. I love the Opteron architecture, though, and one day hope to be able to plop down cash for a big ol' quad opteron man-machine with uber specs. At present, we're just waiting for OS support to catch up, though. Sincerely, Andrew Kinney President and Chief Technology Officer Advantagecom Networks, Inc. http://www.advantagecom.net From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 16:02:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF4916A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378A043D1F for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:02:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859F43D34 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:02:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FE1F9CB.6075.928869EF@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:02:39 -0000 My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values from a local config file. My attempt is this: if test -r ~/.local-values \ then \ . ~/.local-values \ fi # # Where to get the source to be tested BACULA_SOURCE?="${HOME}/src/bacula-cvs" But I'm getting this error: $ make setup "Makefile", line 8: Need an operator where line 8 is the fi. Ideas? -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:13:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E0A16A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DAA43D39 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:13:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F32C3D34 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:13:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:13:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3FE1F9CB.6075.928869EF@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:13:19 -0000 On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:02, Dan Langille wrote: > My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values > from a local config file. I'm getting further. What's the proper way to do an include? [dan@polo:~] $ cat Makefile A?="things" all: @echo A is $A if [ -r ${HOME}/.bacula-regress ] ; then \ echo loading tha file; \ .include "${HOME}/.bacula-regress" ; \ fi @echo A is $A [dan@polo:~] $ cat .bacula-regress BACULA_SOURCE="${HOME}/src/bacula-cvs" EMAIL=dan+bacula@langille.org AUTOCHANGER="/dev/null" A="stuff" echo yes, we have stuff here. [dan@polo:~] $ make A is things if [ -r /home/dan/.bacula-regress ] ; then echo loading tha file; .include "/home/dan/.bacula-regress" ; fi loading tha file .include: not found *** Error code 127 Stop in /usr/home/dan. [dan@polo:~] $ -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:20:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1131216A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.SNVACAID.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C783443D45 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Received: from acm.org ([66.166.149.54]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ1KVkX063784; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@acm.org) Message-ID: <3FE2525E.6000105@acm.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:20:30 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031006 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kientzle@acm.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:33 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:02, Dan Langille wrote: >>My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values >>from a local config file. > > I'm getting further. What's the proper way to do an include? The best reference I've found for advanced make usage is the FreeBSD source tree. Here's an excerpt from /usr/src/lib/libc/Makefile: # # If there is a machine dependent makefile, use it: # .if exists(${.CURDIR}/${MACHINE_ARCH}/Makefile.inc) .include "${.CURDIR}/${MACHINE_ARCH}/Makefile.inc" .endif From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:22:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2672616A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:22:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from revolt.poohsticks.org (ns.poohsticks.org [63.227.60.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8100A43D67 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:21:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew@revolt.poohsticks.org) Received: from revolt.poohsticks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by revolt.poohsticks.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id hBJ1Lof03044; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:21:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from drew@revolt.poohsticks.org) Message-Id: <200312190121.hBJ1Lof03044@revolt.poohsticks.org> To: "Dan Langille" In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:13:16 EST." <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3041.1071796909.1@revolt.poohsticks.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:21:50 -0700 From: Drew Eckhardt cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:22:04 -0000 In message <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost>, dan@langille.org writes: >On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:02, Dan Langille wrote: > >> My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values >> from a local config file. > >I'm getting further. What's the proper way to do an include? The commands associated with a Make command are passed to the shell. You need to do your conditional within the make environment, outside of a rule .if exists foo .include foo .endif all: From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 17:22:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07E316A54C for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:22:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC4843D45 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:22:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 3A73A11429; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:22:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:22:20 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20031219012217.GA670@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <3FE1F9CB.6075.928869EF@localhost> <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:22:26 -0000 --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2003.12.18 20:13:16 -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:02, Dan Langille wrote: >=20 > > My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values > > from a local config file. >=20 > I'm getting further. What's the proper way to do an include? Perhaps (not tested, so there may be typos): =2Eif exists(${HOME}/.bacula-regress) =2Einclude "${HOME}/.bacula-regress" =2Eendif or something along those lines. The make(1) manual page contains a lot of useful information. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/4lLJh9pcDSc1mlERAsNKAKCjpikV50RJs7SorId25+YoJxfgUQCfW2lM SEXFXrZxI1G+cPrDOf9LqME= =sKA3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BOKacYhQ+x31HxR3-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 18 22:13:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F3F16A4CE for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from april.chuckr.org (april.chuckr.org [66.92.151.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A9143D39 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from chuckr.org (may.chuckr.org [66.92.151.44]) by april.chuckr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66CF111FF2; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:48:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FE29700.5060505@chuckr.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:13:20 -0500 From: chuckr User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030902 Thunderbird/0.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> In-Reply-To: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: optionally include file within a Makefile X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:13:23 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: >On 18 Dec 2003 at 19:02, Dan Langille wrote: > > > >>My goal is provide a way to override values in a Makefile with values >>from a local config file. >> >> > >I'm getting further. What's the proper way to do an include? > >[dan@polo:~] $ cat Makefile >A?="things" > >all: > @echo A is $A > if [ -r ${HOME}/.bacula-regress ] ; then \ > echo loading tha file; \ > .include "${HOME}/.bacula-regress" ; \ > fi > > @echo A is $A >[dan@polo:~] $ cat .bacula-regress >BACULA_SOURCE="${HOME}/src/bacula-cvs" >EMAIL=dan+bacula@langille.org >AUTOCHANGER="/dev/null" > >A="stuff" >echo yes, we have stuff here. >[dan@polo:~] $ make >A is things >if [ -r /home/dan/.bacula-regress ] ; then echo loading tha file; >.include "/home/dan/.bacula-regress" ; fi >loading tha file >.include: not found >*** Error code 127 > > .if exists(your filename, relative to /usr/share/mk) .include or include (not documented, but it works, abs path) .endif >Stop in /usr/home/dan. >[dan@polo:~] $ > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 01:46:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A328A16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net (razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.248]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC3443D36 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:46:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfmqn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.219.87] helo=mindspring.com) by razorbill.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AXHCx-0004Zn-00; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:46:08 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE2C8E5.3297D074@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:46:13 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Sommers References: <1071596493.1155.18.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a49c185e2f659cb41b480cc0d357e5be62387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD VFS System? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:46:11 -0000 Ryan Sommers wrote: > Are there any good web resources or books on the VFS system that the > FreeBSD kernel uses? I'm guessing it might have originated from the > 4.4BSD(?) interface. I've been attempting to read through the source > code for different system calls (ie mkdir, rmdir, mount/umount) and > haven't been able to get very far because of the substantial layers of > indirection involved. For this reason I was looking at picking apart the > different subsystems involved and was wondering if there was anything > any more annotated then the source code itself. The VFS stacking code came from the FICUS projct out of UCLA. Here are all their papers on FS stacking: ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/usenix_summer_90.ps.gz ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/OLD_TECHREPORTS/ucla_csd_900044.ps.gz ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/OLD_TECHREPORTS/ucla_csd_910007.ps.gz ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/WorkObjOrOpSys_90.ps.gz ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/heidemann_thesis.ps.gz ftp://ftp.cs.ucla.edu/pub/ficus/ucla_csd_930019.ps.gz -- Terry From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 02:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D44616A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9441E43D1F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:16:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfmqn.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.219.87] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AXHg2-0006p7-00; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:16:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3FE2CFE3.EAA9ADBC@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:16:03 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andykinney@advantagecom.net References: <3FE1936A.10308.75BF6ECA@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a467bd87b653f727e8c79783687b1830f4666fa475841a1c7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Julian Elischer Subject: Re: Machines with >= 4GB of RAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:16:17 -0000 Andrew Kinney wrote: > On 17 Dec 2003 at 15:44, Julian Elischer wrote: > > > options KVA_PAGES=512 > > > > may be a start, but is it still required, and do I have to change > > anything else to match it? (where does the Makefile work out where to > > link the kernel for?) > > Is a value of 512 enough for a machine with 16GB of RAM? > > > > Any hints, (even a better google search string) appreciated. > > We have a 4GB machine running 4.8-RELEASE, so we aren't using PAE, > but we had to make changes similar to what you're asking about for a > different reason. > > Your requirements will vary depending on the version of FreeBSD > you're running, but in general, increasing KVA_PAGES will help > considerably with stability on large memory machines. It should be > noted that releases prior to 4.8 required more changes than just > KVA_PAGES, but the documentation is a bit muddied on that subject. In general, the kmem_map size and other kernel memory usage, including page tables necessary to reference the full memory, end up taking more than 1G, so the 3G user:1G kernel ratio that's the default for older FreeBSD won't work at all. I usually recommend that people make it 1G user:3G kernel; you can get away with 2G:2G if you aren't going to be allocating lots of mbufs or supporting lots of open sockets, etc., but in general most people throw 4G+ into a box because they plan on building a network server and then throwing some serious load on it. > I don't know if it is required, but we rebuilt the world after > changing KVA_PAGES just to make sure that any hidden dependencies on > that value were handled in things other than the kernel. Depends. The normal case where this will be required is for prebuilt kernel modules. The only user space code I'm aware of which cares is the Linux threads package (and anything that links against it), since the threads mailboxes are in a fixed location apriori known to both the kernel module and the threads library, and the location has to be changed when the KVA space changes, since it assumes a 3:1 or whatever was in effect when it was compiled. > As far as 512 being a large enough setting for a 16GB machine, that > depends entirely on what you plan to do with the machine and its > usage pattern of various system resources. In my personal experience, th kernel and data structures consume over 1G in a 4G box, du to the auto-tuning cruft trying to b smarter than it actually is, and making bad decisions. In the 4.7/4.8 time frame, this was catastrophic with more than 4G, since it didn't stop scaling at 4G (the kernel can only address 4G, without PAE, no matter what, since pointers are 32 bits). Scaling above that point tris to allocate more memory for the kernel than the kernel is capable of addressing. > For instance, on our 4GB machine, it does a lot of heavy web serving, > databases, and email. We needed the 2GB KVA on that machine because > of large numbers of files, large network buffers, and some weirdness > relating to Apache and pv entries. If your usage patterns were > similar and you wanted to make full use of the 16GB without getting > trap 12 panics, then 2GB KVA may be inadequate. Older boxes won't even boot with 3:1 if you jam 4G in them, priod. -- Terry From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 03:35:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9E716A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from publicd.ub.mng.net (publicd.ub.mng.net [202.179.0.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A470E43D2D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ganbold@micom.mng.net) Received: from [202.179.0.164] (helo=ganbold.micom.mng.net) by publicd.ub.mng.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 5.1) id 1AXIoo-000Du1-S5 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:29:18 +0800 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031219193833.02926c70@202.179.0.80> X-Sender: ganbold@micom.mng.net@202.179.0.80 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:38:46 +0800 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Ganbold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Dummynet pipes and MRTG X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:35:21 -0000 Hi, I need to view the traffic utilization of dummynet pipes in ipfw2. I'm using FreeBSD 5.2 current. I'm also using MRTG to draw graphics from ipfw show rule-number command. Is there any method or program like MRTG to draw bandwidth utilizations of dummynet pipes? Can I use MRTG for this purpose? I hope somebody in this list point me to the right direction. thanks in advance, Ganbold From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 04:30:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03716A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:30:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay1.barrysworld.com (ns1.barrysworld.com [213.221.172.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F341E43D46 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from killing@barrysworld.com) Received: from [213.221.181.50] (helo=barrysworld.com) by smtp-relay1.barrysworld.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AXJm0-0001af-Sx for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:30:28 +0000 Received: from vader [212.135.219.179] by barrysworld.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AF75726009C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:30:45 +0000 Message-ID: <00d601c3c62b$e1141930$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: References: <3FE20A5C.2872.92C92363@localhost> <3FE29700.5060505@chuckr.org> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:30:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: pthread safe name -> address resolution X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Steven Hartland List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:30:51 -0000 I've had a dig around but cant find any concrete answer to what to use for name resolution that is pthread safe. A number of people mention getaddrinfo and getipnodebyname but both are doc'd as not being thread safe. Is there a solution to this is do we have to use mutex's? Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 04:55:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E4C16A4F8 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:55:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from diaspar.rdsnet.ro (diaspar.rdsnet.ro [213.157.165.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F201543D45 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:55:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dudu@diaspar.rdsnet.ro) Received: (qmail 2782 invoked by uid 89); 19 Dec 2003 12:55:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO diaspar.rdsnet.ro) (dudu@diaspar.rdsnet.ro@213.157.165.224) by 0 with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 12:55:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:55:13 +0200 From: Vlad Galu To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031219145513.6585739a.dudu@diaspar.rdsnet.ro> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031219193833.02926c70@202.179.0.80> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031219193833.02926c70@202.179.0.80> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_55_13_+0200_cXmwqSdF7weyR0vu" Subject: Re: Dummynet pipes and MRTG X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:55:18 -0000 --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_55_13_+0200_cXmwqSdF7weyR0vu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ganbold writes: |Hi, | |I need to view the traffic utilization of dummynet pipes in ipfw2. I'm |using FreeBSD 5.2 current. |I'm also using MRTG to draw graphics from ipfw show rule-number |command. Is there any method or program like MRTG to draw bandwidth |utilizations of dummynet pipes? |Can I use MRTG for this purpose? |I hope somebody in this list point me to the right direction. Take a look at RRDTool. There also is a Perl module for drawing RRD graphics, which you could use for fancier stuff. However, some simple shellscripting should do your job. http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ | |thanks in advance, | |Ganbold | |_______________________________________________ |freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list |http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers |To unsubscribe, send any mail to |"freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" | ---- If it's there, and you can see it, it's real. If it's not there, and you can see it, it's virtual. If it's there, and you can't see it, it's transparent. If it's not there, and you can't see it, you erased it. --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_55_13_+0200_cXmwqSdF7weyR0vu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/4vUxP5WtpVOrzpcRAnETAJsGsJNEdJD44e9BPWH6WZkxbn2D1ACfR7aF vJJKPt2YzH21nJlYYq/7x6c= =rx+P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_55_13_+0200_cXmwqSdF7weyR0vu-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 05:21:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926DA16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay1.barrysworld.com (ns1.barrysworld.com [213.221.172.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F56F43D46 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:21:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from killing@barrysworld.com) Received: from [213.221.181.50] (helo=barrysworld.com) by smtp-relay1.barrysworld.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AXKYa-0006Rl-Sa for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:20:40 +0000 Received: from vader [212.135.219.179] by barrysworld.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AB39DAC0114; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:20:57 +0000 Message-ID: <01ee01c3c632$e4449470$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:20:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: pthread safe name -> address resolution (under linux compat) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Steven Hartland List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:21:04 -0000 An update on this is that the app in question will be running under linux compat. So I suppose this questions changes to: Is the linux compat version of gethostbyname_r thread safe? Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Hartland" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: pthread safe name -> address resolution > I've had a dig around but cant find any concrete answer > to what to use for name resolution that is pthread safe. > A number of people mention getaddrinfo and getipnodebyname > but both are doc'd as not being thread safe. > > Is there a solution to this is do we have to use mutex's? > > Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 05:30:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386AB16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fs.ei.tum.de (stella.fs.ei.tum.de [129.187.54.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E7643D53 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from corecode@fs.ei.tum.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.fs.ei.tum.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16E430294; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:30:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from hydra.fs.ei.tum.de (hydra.fs.ei.tum.de [192.168.113.23]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail.fs.ei.tum.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA9E30293; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:30:23 +0100 From: Simon 'corecode' Schubert To: Vlad Galu Message-Id: <20031219143023.15379862.corecode@fs.ei.tum.de> In-Reply-To: <20031219145513.6585739a.dudu@diaspar.rdsnet.ro> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031219193833.02926c70@202.179.0.80> <20031219145513.6585739a.dudu@diaspar.rdsnet.ro> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7claws30 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_30_23_+0100_=yGhyfhziNVb4oCG" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on stella.fs.ei.tum.de X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.8 required=8.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dummynet pipes and MRTG X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:30:39 -0000 --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_30_23_+0100_=yGhyfhziNVb4oCG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lately Vlad Galu told: > Take a look at RRDTool. There also is a Perl module for drawing RRD > graphics, which you could use for fancier stuff. However, some simple > shellscripting should do your job. > > http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/rrdtool/ a nice frontend for rrdtool is LRRD, which is also easy extendable via anything that can be executed[tm]: cheers simon -- /"\ http://corecode.ath.cx/#donate \ / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign / \ Against HTML Mail and News --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_30_23_+0100_=yGhyfhziNVb4oCG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/4v10r5S+dk6z85oRAkbZAKDNVQCigyMDOxa4PMSnixapxC16AQCdH7QC /OJw6oEn/0BDET4y6kvtgrE= =EAOD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Fri__19_Dec_2003_14_30_23_+0100_=yGhyfhziNVb4oCG-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 05:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065B716A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (ms-2.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825CF43D36 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:33:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@big.endian.de) Received: from r220-1 (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HQ500HMC9FKO1@ms-dienst.rz.rwth-aachen.de> for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.RWTH-Aachen.DE ([134.130.3.1]) by r220-1 (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from dustpuppy.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (dustpuppy.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.5])hBJDSVsU006328 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.148])for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.defump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJDSV3D023835 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:31 +0100 Received: (from alex@localhost) by fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:30 +0100 (CET envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:28:30 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-id: <20031219132830.GB23208@fump.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-PGP-Fingerprint: 7EC1 5B98 4554 2A63 9079 2B2F 9A94 CD6F 7F14 EFA4 X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-kawo2_dustpuppy_0.3 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on dustpuppy.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de X-Spam-Report: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60-kawo2_dustpuppy_0.3 X-Spam-Level: X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.1.16; AVE: 6.23.0.1; VDF: 6.23.0.14; host: dustpuppy.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de) Subject: "DOS"-style Console Type for IPMI remote console X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:33:21 -0000 Hi! I've got a nifty new server board with an IPMI card. The console-redirection over LAN is supposed to work for anything that uses DOS-style video modes or characters, i.e. no "graphics mode". In fact it works for the BIOS/boot*/loader and first kernel messages up to the point where the Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 line is printed out. Then the management software tells me that the system entered graphics mode, which it can't forward. Now, does anybode have an idea how to tell FreeBSD not to switch any graphics mode, i.e. keep that stupid plain printout of characters as the loader does? I would be very nice to do single-user mode installs that way. I've tried sc/vga with various options, but they don't help, I can't get further as the above timecounter line (I assume that's when the vga driver registers and tries to detect the vga). I'm currently using these options: options VGA_NO_FONT_LOADING # don't save/load font options VGA_NO_MODE_CHANGE # don't change video modes options VGA_SLOW_IOACCESS options SC_NO_FONT_LOADING none of them helps. When using pcvt, the boot messages scroll a bit futher, including the avail memory messages, but then stop, with the same message about graphics mode as above. Any workarounds? Anybody using IPMI console redirection over LAN and had success? Thanks & Ciao Alex From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 06:29:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A7D16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41406.mail.yahoo.com (web41406.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2329B43D46 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zera_holladay@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031219142935.13440.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.73.125.140] by web41406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:35 PST Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: zera holladay To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:29:35 -0000 While my kernel modules are loading I get a message, "Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec." There's nothing wrong with my computer, I was just wondering what caused this message. I have not been successful locating any information on this so I figured I would ask some kind hearted individual(s). I am running FreeBSD 5.1 on a Toshiba Satellite 2805-s301 (laptop). Thank you, Zera __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 06:58:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8CB16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-relay2.barrysworld.com (smtp-relay2.barrysworld.com [213.221.172.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D5743D1F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:58:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from killing@barrysworld.com) Received: from [213.221.181.50] (helo=barrysworld.com) by smtp-relay2.barrysworld.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1AXM4i-0005bF-AI; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:57:56 +0000 Received: from vader [212.135.219.179] by barrysworld.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A20528DB0138; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:58:13 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c3c640$7ab86fa0$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: "zera holladay" , References: <20031219142935.13440.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:57:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Steven Hartland List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:58:17 -0000 That's how often they tick with a 100HZ kernel is just info nothing to worry about. Steve / K ----- Original Message ----- From: "zera holladay" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 2:29 PM Subject: Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec > While my kernel modules are loading I get a message, > "Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec." There's nothing > wrong with my computer, I was just wondering what > caused this message. I have not been successful > locating any information on this so I figured I would > ask some kind hearted individual(s). I am running > FreeBSD 5.1 on a Toshiba Satellite 2805-s301 (laptop). From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 07:34:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FEC16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhub.sweetdreamsracing.biz (mailhub.sweetdreamsracing.biz [66.92.171.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A34E43D31 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from culverk@sweetdreamsracing.biz) Received: by mailhub.sweetdreamsracing.biz (Postfix, from userid 80) id D47896A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 141.156.69.109 ([141.156.69.109]) by www.sweetdreamsracing.biz (Horde) with HTTP for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <20031219103642.1ci884wgk4s8cwow@www.sweetdreamsracing.biz> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:36:42 -0500 From: Kenneth Culver To: zera holladay References: <20031219142935.13440.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031219142935.13440.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:34:02 -0000 Quoting zera holladay : > While my kernel modules are loading I get a message, > "Timecounters tick every 10.0 msec." There's nothing > wrong with my computer, I was just wondering what > caused this message. I have not been successful > locating any information on this so I figured I would > ask some kind hearted individual(s). I am running > FreeBSD 5.1 on a Toshiba Satellite 2805-s301 (laptop). > Nothing really "caused" it. It's a totally normal bootup message. It's just FYI. You can actually make that number smaller by using HZ=500 or HZ=1000 in your kernel config (for 5 ms and 1 ms respectively). Ken From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 08:11:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3892116A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.numachi.com (meisai.numachi.com [198.175.254.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EE5F43D49 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) Received: (qmail 88749 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:11:22 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by meisai.numachi.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:11:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 33444 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:11:22 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO natto.numachi.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:11:22 -0000 Received: (from reichert@localhost) by natto.numachi.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id hBJGBM1u033442; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from reichert@numachi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: natto.numachi.com: reichert set sender to reichert@numachi.com using -f Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:11:22 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20031219161122.GC31532@numachi.com> References: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:11:26 -0000 On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:33:41PM -0500, Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the best way to programmatically test to see if > a disc device is a DVD device. That is, how can I tell the difference > between a CD-[ROM|R|RW] and a DVD-[ROM|R|RW]? Is there a set method for > doing this, or should I just try to execute a DVD ioctl, and test to see > if it succeeds? Thanks. When I've poked, the tracks in a TOC of a DVD is _huge_ compared to a CD-ROM. But, I, too, am looking for a better way... > Joe > -- > Joe Marcus Clarke > FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org > FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome > http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA BSD admin/developer at large From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 08:58:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5DF16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:58:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A2843D3F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:58:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.11.7/8.11.6) id hBJGwPp14096; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:58:25 GMT (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20031219165238.02c14cc0@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:58:22 +0000 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Diskless on 4.9R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:58:29 -0000 Hi, Anyone got diskless working on 4.9R? Probes look OK then I'm getting: ... Mounting root from nfs:192.168.0.1:/diskless4.9 missing device name setrootbyname failed SMP: AP CPU #3 Lanuched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Lanuched! SMP: AP CPU #1 Lanuched! panic: nfs_mountroot: RTM_ADD: 51 [etc] This is a dual Xeon box. Any idea what I'm missing? TIA -- Bob Bishop +44 (0)118 977 4017 rb@gid.co.uk fax +44 (0)118 989 4254 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 10:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F52A16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gidgate.gid.co.uk (gid.co.uk [194.32.164.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5EA43D5F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: (from rb@localhost) by gidgate.gid.co.uk (8.11.7/8.11.6) id hBJI3oj14497; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:50 GMT (envelope-from rb) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20031219180145.02c7a860@gid.co.uk> X-Sender: rbmail@gid.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:47 +0000 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Diskless on 4.9R - SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:53 -0000 Hi, I wrote: >Anyone got diskless working on 4.9R? Probes look OK then I'm getting: > >... >Mounting root from nfs:192.168.0.1:/diskless4.9 >missing device name >setrootbyname failed >SMP: AP CPU #3 Lanuched! >SMP: AP CPU #2 Lanuched! >SMP: AP CPU #1 Lanuched! >panic: nfs_mountroot: RTM_ADD: 51 >[etc] This is caused by not setting "option routers" in the DHCP server config. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 11:04:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8572A16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:04:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from q4.combustionlabs.com (q4.combustionlabs.com [209.239.38.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6800E43D58 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:04:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mee@gmee.com) Received: (from gmee@localhost) by q4.combustionlabs.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id hBJJ49tP029931; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:04:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:04:09 -0500 From: mee@gmee.com Message-Id: <200312191904.hBJJ49tP029931@q4.combustionlabs.com> X-Authentication-Warning: q4.combustionlabs.com: gmee set sender to mee@gmee.com using -f To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <101310-220031251918584415@1SC-WEB01.1shoppingcart.org> In-Reply-To: <101310-220031251918584415@1SC-WEB01.1shoppingcart.org> X-Loop: default@gmee.com Precedence: junk Subject: Re: User remove request X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:04:11 -0000 This is an autoresponder. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 12:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9347A16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:03:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.speakeasy.net (mail1.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D568443D88 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:02:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (qmail 4733 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 20:02:15 -0000 Received: from dsl017-045-168.spk4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO hydrogen.funkthat.com) ([69.17.45.168]) (envelope-sender ) by mail1.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Dec 2003 20:02:15 -0000 Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (ohwnsp@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1])hBJK2Ej2078955; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBJK2ExN078954; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:02:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:02:14 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20031219200214.GC559@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Marcus Clarke , hackers@freebsd.org References: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:03:04 -0000 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote this message on Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:33 -0500: > I'm trying to figure out the best way to programmatically test to see if > a disc device is a DVD device. That is, how can I tell the difference > between a CD-[ROM|R|RW] and a DVD-[ROM|R|RW]? Is there a set method for > doing this, or should I just try to execute a DVD ioctl, and test to see > if it succeeds? Thanks. Take a look at cdrecord and see what that does... But that might require you to use atapi-cam instead of the "normal" atapi-cd device. You could also read the specs for atapi, and implement the ioctl for the atapi-cd drivers to do the query. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." 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Message-Id: <1071864527.762.17.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:08:47 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:09:22 -0000 --=-TX8JLsVzzbI8OdH6BOu0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 15:02, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote this message on Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 20:33 -0500: > > I'm trying to figure out the best way to programmatically test to see i= f > > a disc device is a DVD device. That is, how can I tell the difference > > between a CD-[ROM|R|RW] and a DVD-[ROM|R|RW]? Is there a set method fo= r > > doing this, or should I just try to execute a DVD ioctl, and test to se= e > > if it succeeds? Thanks. >=20 > Take a look at cdrecord and see what that does... But that might > require you to use atapi-cam instead of the "normal" atapi-cd device. Thanks for the pointer. Using atapi-cam is not a problem since the application I'm porting is basically a front-end to cdrecord which requires atapi-cam. However, I didn't know cdrecord detected the difference on its own, or just did what it was told via command line arguments. Joe >=20 > You could also read the specs for atapi, and implement the ioctl for > the atapi-cd drivers to do the query. --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: marcus@FreeBSD.org gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-TX8JLsVzzbI8OdH6BOu0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/41rPb2iPiv4Uz4cRAiHNAKCRINVzqPYqe5Mo3wuUKdX7B9tnxwCfRtcB UGPQoApviQ6Fx583WRlKQPI= =uOci -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-TX8JLsVzzbI8OdH6BOu0-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 12:09:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC1616A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBAF43D5E for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (IDENT:brdavis@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBJK9UA7014968; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:30 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.12.10/8.12.3/Submit) id hBJK9UK1014967; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:30 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Bob Bishop Message-ID: <20031219200929.GD27527@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20031219165238.02c14cc0@gid.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PHCdUe6m4AxPMzOu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20031219165238.02c14cc0@gid.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Diskless on 4.9R X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:09:38 -0000 --PHCdUe6m4AxPMzOu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 04:58:22PM +0000, Bob Bishop wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Anyone got diskless working on 4.9R? Probes look OK then I'm getting: >=20 > ... > Mounting root from nfs:192.168.0.1:/diskless4.9 > missing device name > setrootbyname failed > SMP: AP CPU #3 Lanuched! > SMP: AP CPU #2 Lanuched! > SMP: AP CPU #1 Lanuched! > panic: nfs_mountroot: RTM_ADD: 51 > [etc] >=20 > This is a dual Xeon box. Any idea what I'm missing? TIA Hmm, mine are working with 4.9-PRERLEASE. Shooting from the hip, I think this looks somewhat like the issue I ran into when I enabled "options BOOTP" on a previously working configuration and it broke because the syntax of "option root-path" in dhcpd.conf is different with BOOTP enabled. If you have any of the BOOTP options, in your kernel, what does your root-path line look like? -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. 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From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 13:07:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3974D16A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D0143D46 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:07:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (qmail 28539 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from dsl017-045-168.spk4.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO hydrogen.funkthat.com) ([69.17.45.168]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Dec 2003 21:07:49 -0000 Received: from hydrogen.funkthat.com (uxoxqv@localhost.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1])hBJL7mj2080082; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmg@hydrogen.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by hydrogen.funkthat.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBJL7mNT080081; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:07:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:07:48 -0800 From: John-Mark Gurney To: Joe Marcus Clarke Message-ID: <20031219210748.GD559@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: Joe Marcus Clarke , hackers@freebsd.org References: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20031219200214.GC559@funkthat.com> <1071864527.762.17.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1071864527.762.17.camel@gyros> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 EC EF F8 AE ED A7 31 96 7A 22 B3 D8 56 36 F4 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/ X-Resume: http://resnet.uoregon.edu/~gurney_j/resume.html cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John-Mark Gurney List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:07:56 -0000 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote this message on Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 15:08 -0500: > > Take a look at cdrecord and see what that does... But that might > > require you to use atapi-cam instead of the "normal" atapi-cd device. > > Thanks for the pointer. Using atapi-cam is not a problem since the > application I'm porting is basically a front-end to cdrecord which > requires atapi-cam. However, I didn't know cdrecord detected the > difference on its own, or just did what it was told via command line > arguments. cdrecord on macosx (I don't have a FreeBSD box w/ atapi-cam on it handy), has the -prcap in: Cdrecord 2.01a14 (powerpc-apple-macosx6.8) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling and returns this: Drive capabilities, per MMC-2 page 2A: Does read CD-R media Does write CD-R media Does read CD-RW media Does write CD-RW media Does read DVD-ROM media Does read DVD-R media Does not write DVD-R media Does not read DVD-RAM media Does not write DVD-RAM media Does support test writing which is probably what you're interested in.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not." From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 13:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3FD16A4CF for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C15443D31 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from creme-brulee.marcuscom.com (rdu74-159-108.nc.rr.com [24.74.159.108])hBJLBdHG014468; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.2.1.4] (vpn-client-4.marcuscom.com [10.2.1.4]) hBJL9Lu5034884; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:09:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) From: Joe Marcus Clarke To: John-Mark Gurney In-Reply-To: <20031219210748.GD559@funkthat.com> References: <1071624821.78714.9.camel@shumai.marcuscom.com> <20031219200214.GC559@funkthat.com> <1071864527.762.17.camel@gyros> <20031219210748.GD559@funkthat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ivC8pRAioLiNLZdwfBM9" Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. Message-Id: <1071868301.762.27.camel@gyros> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:11:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on creme-brulee.marcuscom.com X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Programmatically test for a DVD drive X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:11:47 -0000 --=-ivC8pRAioLiNLZdwfBM9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 16:07, John-Mark Gurney wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote this message on Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 15:08 -0500: > > > Take a look at cdrecord and see what that does... But that might > > > require you to use atapi-cam instead of the "normal" atapi-cd device. > >=20 > > Thanks for the pointer. Using atapi-cam is not a problem since the > > application I'm porting is basically a front-end to cdrecord which > > requires atapi-cam. However, I didn't know cdrecord detected the > > difference on its own, or just did what it was told via command line > > arguments. >=20 > cdrecord on macosx (I don't have a FreeBSD box w/ atapi-cam on it handy), > has the -prcap in: > Cdrecord 2.01a14 (powerpc-apple-macosx6.8) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 J=F6rg= Schilling >=20 > and returns this: > Drive capabilities, per MMC-2 page 2A: >=20 > Does read CD-R media > Does write CD-R media > Does read CD-RW media > Does write CD-RW media > Does read DVD-ROM media > Does read DVD-R media > Does not write DVD-R media > Does not read DVD-RAM media > Does not write DVD-RAM media > Does support test writing >=20 > which is probably what you're interested in.. Exactly. I was looking through the code, and it does indeed get all of the info I need. Thanks again. Joe --=20 Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: marcus@FreeBSD.org gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome --=-ivC8pRAioLiNLZdwfBM9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA/42mNb2iPiv4Uz4cRAkuqAJ9rS0hk9+IxYr4GtagQxNqr4NmS7wCeK6Zj Cwe6bYduSK4E6WXf/f+znFE= =uD7Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ivC8pRAioLiNLZdwfBM9-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 15:21:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAA916A4CE for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D24B43D1D for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@evilpete.dyndns.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410242A7EA for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0094D2C1AC for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJNLW7n036449 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBJNLVhk036446 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:21:31 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312191521.31794.peter@wemm.org> Subject: HEADS UP: list posting policy changed X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:21:37 -0000 If you subscribe using a different address than you post, you will need to *also* subscribe your regular posting address as well. After you have subscribed that, you can go onto the options page and turn off mail delivery for that address. eg: If your subscription address is: myname-freebsd-hackers@biteme.com but you normally post to the lists as 'myname@biteme.com', then you will need to *also* subscribe 'myname@biteme.com' and set its delivery options to 'no mail'. Your inbound email will come in as usual to your list address and the mailing list software will allow your normal address to post as well. Sorry for the hassle, but things have just got too damn silly lately. Regardless of the sender filter, you should do this anyway because the spam filter gives a special bonus to subscribers and is especially harsh on non-subscribers. While I'm here, we could use a bit of help with the list moderation functions. If there are regular readers with some spare time on their hands who would like to help, please let me know. The moderator interface to the queue is web form based, point-and-shoot, and easy to operate. It would be an excellent thing for folks who are looking for a way to contribute but don't have the technical expertise. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 19 16:03:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B445116A4CF for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3EE43D3F for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@evilpete.dyndns.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4D72A7EA for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1692C1AC for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK0307n036973 for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@overcee.wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBK030qp036972 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter) From: Peter Wemm To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:02:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200312191521.31794.peter@wemm.org> In-Reply-To: <200312191521.31794.peter@wemm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312191602.59948.peter@wemm.org> Subject: Re: HEADS UP: list posting policy changed X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:03:05 -0000 On Friday 19 December 2003 03:21 pm, Peter Wemm wrote: > If you subscribe using a different address than you post, you will > need to *also* subscribe your regular posting address as well. After > you have subscribed that, you can go onto the options page and turn > off mail delivery for that address. Since I didn't say last time, this is for just -current and -hackers. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:46:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A957116A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sizone.org (mortar.sizone.org [65.126.154.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA56943D4C for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by sizone.org (Postfix, from userid 66) id 9EAB4307C6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 3582D1D1F3B; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:17:18 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16356.44622.40229.222367@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:17:18 -0500 To: ticso@cicely.de In-Reply-To: <20031121211627.GF74178@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20031121200702.GD74178@cicely12.cicely.de> <20031121211627.GF74178@cicely12.cicely.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 14) "Reasonable Discussion" XEmacs Lucid X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:03:03 -0800 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: quel@quelrod.net Subject: Re: usb 2.0 dell inspirion 8500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:46:42 -0000 >>>>> "Bernd" == Bernd Walter writes: Bernd> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 03:10:10PM -0600, quel@quelrod.net Bernd> wrote: >> Should device ehci be a default in GENERIC, then? Bernd> It is intentionally not in GENERIC. For those of us not in the know on this, where does ehci stand? Ehci recognises my controller when I put it in the kernel, but it halts whenever I connect a USB 2.0 device. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 12:55:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A90C16A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:55:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C595343D68 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:54:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) hBKKpYvq029342 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (cicely12.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301::12]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBKKpUWK074184 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBKKpTBE055458; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBKKpSOR055457; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:51:28 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: David Gilbert Message-ID: <20031220205127.GQ527@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20031121200702.GD74178@cicely12.cicely.de> <20031121211627.GF74178@cicely12.cicely.de> <16356.44622.40229.222367@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16356.44622.40229.222367@canoe.dclg.ca> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely12.cicely.de 5.2-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:03:03 -0800 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: quel@quelrod.net cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: usb 2.0 dell inspirion 8500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:55:16 -0000 On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 03:17:18PM -0500, David Gilbert wrote: > >>>>> "Bernd" == Bernd Walter writes: > > Bernd> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 03:10:10PM -0600, quel@quelrod.net > Bernd> wrote: > >> Should device ehci be a default in GENERIC, then? > > Bernd> It is intentionally not in GENERIC. > > For those of us not in the know on this, where does ehci stand? Ehci > recognises my controller when I put it in the kernel, but it halts > whenever I connect a USB 2.0 device. There seems to be compatibility issues with some controllers, but I don't own any of them. Maybe the NetBSD team already did something about this. -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de ticso@bwct.de info@bwct.de From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 21:57:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EA616A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mhub-w6.tc.umn.edu (mhub-w6.tc.umn.edu [160.94.160.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB7E843D55 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 21:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ryans@gamersimpact.com) Received: from [24.107.70.120] by mhub-w6.tc.umn.edu with ESMTP for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:57:03 -0600 From: Ryan Sommers To: hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071986016.1216.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 23:53:36 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Force a dump without panicing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:57:04 -0000 Is it possible to force a kernel dump without panicing the system? I dropped into the debugger and did a "call doadump" however, when I tried to quit the debugger after this it results in a panic. -- Ryan "leadZERO" Sommers Gamer's Impact President ryans@gamersimpact.com ICQ: 1019590 AIM/MSN: leadZERO -= http://www.gamersimpact.com =- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 20 22:08:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F8416A4CE for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD1D43D60 for ; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 22:08:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id hBL68US4072890; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:08:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:08:30 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Ryan Sommers Message-ID: <20031221060829.GA74567@dan.emsphone.com> References: <1071986016.1216.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071986016.1216.2.camel@localhost> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Force a dump without panicing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 06:08:32 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 20), Ryan Sommers said: > Is it possible to force a kernel dump without panicing the system? > > I dropped into the debugger and did a "call doadump" however, when I > tried to quit the debugger after this it results in a panic. That should work; I called doadump that way lots of times debugging my crashdump compressor. There's a bug in dumpsys() that only lets you call it once, though. Add a "memset(&kdh, 0, sizeof(kdh))" just above the code that fills in kdh. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com