From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 17 00:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2C737B401; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466DB43F3F; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B171AE4DE; Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030817071001.9B171AE4DE@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-07-27 - 2003-08-16 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 07:10:03 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 11:16:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1EE37B409 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from as4-1-7.va.g.bonet.se (as4-1-7.va.g.bonet.se [194.236.7.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 498D24427B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kristian@zarknet.tk) Received: (qmail 10910 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2003 16:15:53 -0000 Received: from boll.jb.juniks.net (HELO boll) (192.168.2.2) by mail.juniks.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2003 16:15:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c365ab$f7905470$0202a8c0@boll> From: "Kristian Larsson" To: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:12:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4927.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4927.1200 Subject: Problem installing 5.1-relase on machine with SCSI and SX6000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:16:56 -0000 Hi! I've got an old Intergraph which has been running as my fileserver för two years, so far with Red Hat Linux 7.3 Due to several problems with it (sleeping zombie processes which were impossible to kill amongst others) I've decided to switch to FreeBSD. Since it's a SMP machine (dual 400Mhz) I thought I'd be running a 5.x release since the SMP support has improved with it. The system features 9 disks altogether. Three of them connected to a LSI 53c8xx SCSI controller (dont actually remember the two last digits, but I beleive it to be of little relevance, I will find out if necessary) and the other six are connected to a Promise SX6000 card. The Promise SX6000 is configured for providing a single large volume (RAID 5). One of the SCSI disks are meant for the "system" and the IDE disks for "storage". My problem is this; when I try to install all I get in fdisk is the pst0 disk (aka Promise card with it's attached disks) the SCSI disks don't even show up. And since they were intended for the system I am stranded. I have never had this kind of a problem so I really have no idea where to start. Help is very much appreciated, and I will try and provide any information left out here. I've tried searching the mailing archives as well as google, but I'm even having trouble formulating my question and I imagine the number of people with my set up is rather small. Please cc directly to my mail < kristian at zarknet dot tk > since I am not subscribed to this list. Regards, Kristian From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 18 14:45:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A493237B401; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns8.icdc.com (ns8.icdc.com [208.244.152.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872AF43FB1; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from 155.94.62.221 (ns6 [208.244.152.35]) by ns8.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h7ILle89019480; Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200308182147.h7ILle89019480@ns8.icdc.com> To: "Kristian Larsson" , From: csmith@icdc.com Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:45:41 US/Eastern X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.20 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem installing 5.1-relase on machine with SCSI and SX6000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:45:49 -0000 > > The system features 9 disks altogether. Three of them connected to a LSI > 53c8xx SCSI controller (dont actually remember the two last digits, but I > beleive it to be of little relevance, I will find out if necessary) and the > other six are connected to a Promise SX6000 card. The Promise SX6000 is > configured for providing a single large volume (RAID 5). One of the SCSI > disks are meant for the "system" and the IDE disks for "storage". > My problem is this; when I try to install all I get in fdisk is the pst0 > disk (aka Promise card with it's attached disks) the SCSI disks don't even > show up. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 19 08:22:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE4E16A4C1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.louisianaweekly.com (ns1.louisianaweekly.com [65.245.4.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD47943FD7 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:22:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrotch@sprynet.com) Received: from sprynet.com (gate.louisianaweekly.com [65.245.4.2]) h7JFM0Vd020516 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:22:02 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:22:03 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Scott Saunders To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: 60 days X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:22:05 -0000 My first FreeBSD machine (4.8) has been up for 60 days now! I'm just writing because I'm excited and too many people I know don't know what I'm talking about. It's one of those cheapo Walmart PCs that I've set up as a NAT/Firewall box with ipfilter and ipnat. It's been up and running without any issue at all. It was also my first PC; I've previously only owned and worked on Macs. I got another one this weekend that I'll be doing a more general desktop install on to play around some. I like it! That's all. Thanks, Scott From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 19 08:39:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921E216A4BF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chcg-mx1.iss.net (chcg-mx1.iss.net [12.106.253.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B050D43FBF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:39:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from interscan@chcg-mx1.iss.net) Received: from chcg-mx1.iss.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chcg-mx1.iss.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7JFdBZG004160 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (iscan@localhost)h7JFdBIR004159 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) From: interscan@chcg-mx1.iss.net Message-Id: <200308191539.h7JFdBIR004159@chcg-mx1.iss.net> X-Authentication-Warning: chcg-mx1.iss.net: iscan owned process doing -bs To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Virus Alert X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:39:18 -0000 The mail message (file: details.pif) you sent to contains a virus, WORM_SOBIG.F. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 19 08:50:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C30F16A4BF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A5743F93 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:49:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net ([10.116.0.122]) by scanmail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:47:42 -0700 Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122] by scanmail2.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A69B18F800FA; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:47:42 -0700 Received: from agnes (24-116-227-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.227.234]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:47:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:45:12 -0500 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030819104512.5693fd1b.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: agnes X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: lute@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-227-234.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.227.234] Subject: Re: 60 days X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:50:02 -0000 Congrats there Scott. I have been using FreeBSD for about 3 years now and have never used it for anything but a desktop. Since I have never had any need to be compatible with anything else it's worked out great for me, though I do understand that it can play well with others. BTW I have had it installed on two low end IBM machines both which behaved quite nicely. One of these days I have to get off my dead butt and get 5.1 installed on here :P. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.0 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 19 09:29:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F51D16A4C1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f84.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FEE43FA3 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:29:55 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:29:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:29:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2003 16:29:55.0963 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FEE74B0:01C3666F] cc: scrotch@sprynet.com Subject: Re: 60 days X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:29:57 -0000 On 19 Aug., Scott Saunders wrote: > >My first FreeBSD machine (4.8) has been up for 60 days now! > >I'm just writing because I'm excited and too many people I know don't know >what I'm talking about. > >It's one of those cheapo Walmart PCs that I've set up as a NAT/Firewall box >with ipfilter and ipnat. It's been up and running without any issue at all. >It was also my first PC; I've previously only owned and worked on Macs. I >got another one this weekend that I'll be doing a more general desktop >install on to play around some. I like it! > >That's all. Thanks, >Scott Congratulations. Though, I must say, I am a bit jealous; my best uptime was ~37 days, but I had to rebuild the OS at that point so it didn't go any further. It was pretty cool to see the blank login auditing after spending more than a month logged in as a single user. (Others have access, but rarely use it...) The desktop system is even more rewarding, in the aspect that you can show people what you're talking about. (And, it's kind of fun to show it off to people who payed all sorts of money for their OS and app.s.) Have fun, happy hacking, and all that, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 04:41:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605A416A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (etna.obsidian.co.za [196.36.119.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0396C43FEC; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 04:41:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeandre@itvs.co.za) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etna.obsidian.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7KBeofJ032529; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:50 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost)h7KBeoef032527; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:40:50 +0200 Received: from tarcil (tarcil [172.16.1.14]) by flash.itvs.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26814; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:14:00 +0200 From: Jeandre du Toit To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 20 Aug 2003 13:30:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:41:06 -0000 dear mr computer, = i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see windows in= or near my house again there will be trouble. i have been trying to train = it to work (this might be a new concept to it because it doesn't seem to un= derstand) but i can't. i also think that i might be allergic to windows and= this causes problems for me and my whole family. why don't you just get ri= d of windows and get yourself freebsd instead? i know your kids will be sad= at first, but they will learn to love freebsd more than they could have ev= er loved windows. your whole life will change, things will seem to be worki= ng better (because it is!) there won't be any more fights or corruption and= it is alot cheaper to maintain a freebsd than a windows. i could go on and= on, but you need to see for yourself. i havn't had my freebsd for too long= but i can tell you i have never looked back since getting it. i don't thin= k i would ever be able to live without it. i can't thank those genetic expe= rts that put freebsd together enough, thanks guys! do it for you internals! = your friendly network neighbour jeandre From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 10:22:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EC916A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC52743FCB; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3354 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pWf8-00028E-5J; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:22:22 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:21:14 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N451BV; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:20:29 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Jeandre du Toit , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:21:32 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> In-Reply-To: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19pWf8-00028E-5J*OCc1hJY/ZmI* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:22:29 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:30 am, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see > windows in or near my house again there will be trouble. Hee hee! I just built myself a new computer, and Windows is one of the OSs that will run on it. My first experience with Windows XP leaves me less than thrilled. Formatting a 20Gig UFS2+Softupdates partition: less than five seconds. Versus. Formatting a 20Gig NTFS partition: ten minutes. Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. Versus. Installing Windows XP: 52 minutes, plus two reboots (fewer reboots than with 98 though!). Security advisories: FreeBSD 5.1 none that affect my system. Versus. Windows XP + SP1 + about 40Megs of critical updates. I haven't even gotten around to the fixes for those two internet shattering worms that hit during the last two weeks. Setting up a DVD player in FreeBSD: install MPlayer and everything just works. Versus. Setting up a DVD player in Windows XP: Try Windows Media Player 9.0. Media Player crashes. Try "demo" version of WinDVD. Doesn't work. Still haven't gotten DVD playback to work under Windows yet. Yes, I need more technical savvy to use FreeBSD. But since I already have some small modicum of technical savvy, the choice for me is clear. The only thing keeping Windows around for me is a tiny handful of applications and the occasional game. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 10:45:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8558116A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ukpost.com (ns0.ukpost.com [217.158.120.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2285C43F85; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rama@ukfsn.org) Received: from mail.ukfsn.org (pop3.ukfsn.org [217.158.120.143]) by mail.ukpost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3758C1F802C; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:42:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from ukfsn.org (unknown [81.5.144.97]) by mail.ukfsn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D38CE6A85; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:39:51 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 18:44:51 +0100 From: Ramanan Selvaratnam User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Jeandre du Toit Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rama@ukfsn.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:45:04 -0000 Johnson David wrote: >On Wednesday 20 August 2003 04:30 am, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > > > >> i would like you to keep you os of my front porch. if i see >>windows in or near my house again there will be trouble. >> >> > >Hee hee! > >I just built myself a new computer, and Windows is one of the OSs that >will run on it. My first experience with Windows XP leaves me less than >thrilled. > >Formatting a 20Gig UFS2+Softupdates partition: less than five seconds. >Versus. Formatting a 20Gig NTFS partition: ten minutes. > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. Versus. > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in ten minutes? >Installing Windows XP: 52 minutes, plus two reboots (fewer reboots than >with 98 though!). > >Security advisories: FreeBSD 5.1 none that affect my system. Versus. >Windows XP + SP1 + about 40Megs of critical updates. I haven't even >gotten around to the fixes for those two internet shattering worms that >hit during the last two weeks. > >Setting up a DVD player in FreeBSD: install MPlayer and everything just >works. Versus. Setting up a DVD player in Windows XP: Try Windows Media >Player 9.0. Media Player crashes. Try "demo" version of WinDVD. Doesn't >work. Still haven't gotten DVD playback to work under Windows yet. > >Yes, I need more technical savvy to use FreeBSD. But since I already >have some small modicum of technical savvy, the choice for me is clear. >The only thing keeping Windows around for me is a tiny handful of >applications and the occasional game. > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system respecting the user's freedoms. Less important -- Never run MS-Windows (if you have to) without Anti-Virus/Worm software (from Microsoft recommended vendors) if connecting to the internet :-) Regards, Ramanan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 12:02:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E146716A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66F143FB1; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:02:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1857 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19pYDT-0001SY-5S; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:55 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:00:44 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N45FVD; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:59:58 -0700 From: Johnson David To: rama@ukfsn.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:01:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201021.32294.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> In-Reply-To: <3F43B393.3010609@ukfsn.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19pYDT-0001SY-5S*oPR1Q95U4Ew* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:02:02 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 10:44 am, Ramanan Selvaratnam wrote: > >Installing FreeBSD 5.1: about ten minutes, with zero reboots. > > Versus. > > To be fair and clear -- With a GUI 'desktop' environment and all in > ten minutes? To be fair, I didn't install KDE or GNOME at that time. But I did install XFree86 and Windowmaker. This is still pretty damned fast, so how is it possible? Simple. The system is a 2.8GHz P4, installing from DVD drive onto Serial ATA harddrive (UDMA150). > Important -- you missed the important comparision about the system > respecting the user's freedoms. Yes, I forget that. I ran into some major culture shocks when installing and using WinXP. Product activation? License agreements for *drivers*? Some of the "privacy" options while installing Media Player were absolutely bizarre! And don't even get me started on DVD regions. I have absolutely no problems with paying for software. Heck, I'm on a FreeBSD subscription, and it's free beer! But this shareware mentality in Windows land is twisted. Either these guys have delusional ideas about the quality of their software, or they're completely reprobate. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 12:33:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0304416A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agent57.gbnet.net (agent57.gbnet.net [194.70.126.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4960A43FDF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:33:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-mutt-dev@mutt.org) Received: (qmail 11975 invoked by uid 610); 20 Aug 2003 19:33:41 -0000 Date: 20 Aug 2003 19:33:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20030820193341.11971.qmail@agent57.gbnet.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: owner-mutt-dev@mutt.org Subject: mutt-dev@mutt.org: Non-member submission from X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 19:33:44 -0000 Your submission to the list has been forwarded to the list owner for approval because you do not seem to be on that list. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 13:48:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9E116A4BF for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.siri.org (www.siri.org [199.233.112.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8665C43FBD for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:48:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@siri.org) Received: from dan by www.siri.org with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19pZt6-0001At-00 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:49:00 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Dan Woodard" Message-Id: Sender: Dan Woodard Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:49:00 -0400 Subject: new address X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:48:59 -0000 My email address has been changed to danw@siri.org due to excessive spam. Please feel free to contact me at the new address. Please do not, however, send any advertising or include my address in any mailing list unless I specifically request it. Thanks, Dan Woodard -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) Debian Project (http://www.debian.org) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 20 14:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B288716A4BF; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0932E43F3F; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2870 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19paZK-0003Dm-5T; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:32:38 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:29 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-151.acuson.com ([157.226.46.151]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Q0N45HXQ; Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:30:46 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Erich Zigler Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:31:49 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <1061379040.1442.1.camel@Tarcil> <200308201201.02024.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <3F43D5D0.7050803@superhero.org> In-Reply-To: <3F43D5D0.7050803@superhero.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308201431.49758.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19paZK-0003Dm-5T*ez1uDxGoW.A* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loving the FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:32:44 -0000 On Wednesday 20 August 2003 01:10 pm, Erich Zigler wrote: > Primarily it has to do with encoding video, I do a lot of video work. > (It's my hobby) and must be able to encode video to DVD specs and > burn DVD's. I can handle the video extraction from the cameras easily > enough. You can burn to DVD's under FreeBSD easily enough (either burncd or dvd+rw-tools). The video encoding is going to be much more difficult. There are a few ports that are related, but I have no idea how useful they are. Check under the multimedia ports for some ideas. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 00:16:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F21A16A4BF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout2.freenet.de (mout2.freenet.de [194.97.50.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA0843FDF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 00:16:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.21) id 19pjgI-0002EZ-MP for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:16:26 +0200 Received: from mbox23.freenet.de ([194.97.50.182])#2) id 19pjgI-0002lX-Jg for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:16:26 +0200 Received: from pop by mbox23.freenet.de with local (Exim 4.21 #2) id 19pjgI-0007Bx-Ac for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:16:26 +0200 From: witte.p@01019freenet.de To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Auto-Submitted: auto-replied Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:16:26 +0200 Subject: Re: Thank you! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:16:28 -0000 Vielen Dank für Ihre/Deine mail. leider kann ich sie im Moment nicht lesen. Ich bin im Urlaub bis 20.07.03. -- Dies ist eine automatisch erstellte Antwort -- http://office.freenet.d From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 05:07:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A10D16A4BF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agent57.gbnet.net (agent57.gbnet.net [194.70.126.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8377D43FF2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-mutt-dev@mutt.org) Received: (qmail 2854 invoked by uid 610); 21 Aug 2003 12:07:19 -0000 Date: 21 Aug 2003 12:07:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20030821120719.2851.qmail@agent57.gbnet.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: owner-mutt-dev@mutt.org Subject: mutt-dev@mutt.org: Non-member submission from X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:07:21 -0000 Your submission to the list has been forwarded to the list owner for approval because you do not seem to be on that list. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 09:57:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D73B16A4C1 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fed1mtao01.cox.net (fed1mtao01.cox.net [68.6.19.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F4743FEA for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kbsquared@cox.net) Received: from smtp.west.cox.net ([172.18.180.54]) by fed1mtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with SMTP id <20030821165708.KJDK3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:57:08 -0400 From: Kelly Brown To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:57:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030821165708.KJDK3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> Subject: Floppy Drive Not working in 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:57:14 -0000 Hello All: I just installed FreeBSD 5.1 as a fresh install and there is something weird going on with my floppy drive. The directory structure that was created looks like this... /dev/df/0 /dev/df/1 /dev/df/2 This is what is showing up in dmesg... fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 fdc0: cannot reserve I/O port range 6 ports However this is not /dev/fdc0 file. If I try to mount /dev/df/0 this is what I get... mount /dev/fd/0 /floppy mount: /dev/fd/0: Block device required I've done searches on the web and can see that other people have had the same problem but I haven't seen a fix. Can anybody help me? Thanks! -kbsquared From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 21 12:14:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951516A4BF for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.bg.univ.gda.pl (panda.bg.univ.gda.pl [153.19.120.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6AD43FE3 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tatsu@rpg.pl) Received: from pa139.starszyn.sdi.tpnet.pl ([80.49.236.139] helo=uluru) by panda.bg.univ.gda.pl with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19putF-0000uB-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:14:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:14:36 +0200 From: Tatsu X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.61) Personal Organization: NEO Adept X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <47113092538.20030821211436@rpg.pl> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Win to FreeBSD in company X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tatsu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:14:40 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I got a job and spent 2 weeks on winxp. Now I want to transfer to FreeBSD but got two problems: 1. Company's inside mail is on MS Exchange 5.5 (is going to change to 2000 soon. And all managers and workers contact through it. So my question is - is there any free (maybe GPL) mail klient that uses MAPI ? (checked - no pop3 and smtp service working on exchange) 2. I need a good stable web browser that have no problems with different technology like java, flash etc. For example SAP marketplace site and Tivoli www administration tool got problems with some elements. Thanks in advance. -- Tomasz "Tatsu" Sperczak mailto:tatsu@rpg.pl Microsoft: "Where would you like to go to today" Linux: "Where would you like to go tomorrow" FreeBSD: "Hey,when are you guys going to catch up" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 22 00:10:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7696B16A4BF for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6.hy.skanova.net (smtp6.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E294243FE1 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:10:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@swedehost.com) Received: from smtp7.hy.skanova.net (smtp7.hy.skanova.net [195.67.199.140]) by smtp6.hy.skanova.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M7AQ2r001532 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:10:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thor.swedehost.com (h129n2fls33o804.telia.com [217.209.211.129]) by smtp7.hy.skanova.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7M78NCM010578; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Hasse Hansson Organization: The Valhalla Project To: Kelly Brown , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:08:24 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <20030821165708.KJDK3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20030821165708.KJDK3983.fed1mtao01.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308220908.24407.webmaster@swedehost.com> Subject: Re: Floppy Drive Not working in 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 07:10:34 -0000 On Thursday 21 August 2003 18.57, Kelly Brown wrote: > Hello All: > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1 as a fresh install and there is > something weird going on with my floppy drive. > > The directory structure that was created looks like this... > /dev/df/0 > /dev/df/1 > /dev/df/2 > > This is what is showing up in dmesg... > fdc0: cmd 3 failed at out byte 1 of 3 > fdc0: cannot reserve I/O port range 6 ports > > However this is not /dev/fdc0 file. > > If I try to mount /dev/df/0 this is what I get... > mount /dev/fd/0 /floppy > mount: /dev/fd/0: Block device required > > I've done searches on the web and can see that other people have had > the same problem but I haven't seen a fix. Can anybody help me? > > Thanks! > -kbsquared > > Hi. I added the following to /boot/device.hints : hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" and that solved the problem for me. Regards Hasse. ____________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 22 19:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9334E16A4BF for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F33443FE1 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h7N2AEUp033024 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h7N2AEHK033023 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200308230210.h7N2AEHK033023@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:10:15 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________