From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 00:08:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B86216A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:08:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B343D5C; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:08:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C073D148E7; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:08:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:08:53 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: Tom Rhodes In-Reply-To: <20041203155837.572c9ece@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Mark Linimon cc: FreeBSD-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Merging the FAQ -> handbook, build time options, proof ofconcept patch X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:08:54 -0000 On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Tom Rhodes wrote: > So, lemmie get this straight. > > Quick and question and answers in the faq, more thorough explinations > moved into the handbook? Well, perhaps, "Q/A about the project itself in the FAQ; other Qs point to As in some other document. No overlap of Answer text with any other document". If it's a "what" or a "why" question, it stays in the FAQ; if it's a "how", it moves, either to the Handbook, or its own how-to. > Here is my problem: Everyone complains about the FAQ, and what > is wrong with it. Right now, like this weekend (today if possible), > I want to put that issue to bed. I agree with the former, but don't agree with the latter -- I'd really rather wait a few days so I can try to hack on the prototype some more and I'm desperately short of cycles right now. As you can tell from what I've posted to date in this thread, I have an idea of what I want the general principles to be, but until I can see what things would look like with some prototypes it's just too hard to tell. And no, I don't want to leave it hanging and never-to-be-resolved, either, I'm just too trashed right at this moment to put the cycles in. It's a big change, I'd rather we do it once and do it right, forever, and if it means we wait 3-4 days, well, I think it's worth it. > we need to choose what to do: > > Move most of the FAQ and keep the FAQ simple, That's what I would like to do. > So, if you and others are interested in keeping the FAQ alive but > short, then let's move forward. Tell me the "big sections" you want > to see moved and we'll move them. [ ... ] I don't think you and I are > really getting each others point. It's like I follow you, but at the > same time I'm lost on what exactly it is you want to do. That's because I'm not 100% sure yet -- I have the general idea but not all the specifics articulated well, even to myself (i keep trying in these posts). I need more cycles to run 2-3 more iterations of moving things around to see what it would look like and I'm just not going to have those cycles in the next 48 hours. mcl From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 01:01:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D1B16A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:01:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D3243D58; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:01:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-100-2-61.dc.dc.cox.net [68.100.2.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB511Uag074032 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:01:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:01:38 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041204200138.09199f8e@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041204093120.GA581@nosferatu.blackend.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost> <20041204093120.GA581@nosferatu.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Nik Clayton cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Murray Stokely cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 01:01:35 -0000 On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:31:20 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > [...] > > > > Not really sure what the best way to go about getting things > > done around here would be other than: > > > > Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes, > > Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a task, > > Commit completed work after some minor/major review, > > As one task is completed another is grabbed up. > > > > Hopefully some others will chime in here and let me know how > > they feel about this. Perhaps we should 'elect' a temporary > > project manager and just start getting things done. Perhaps > > that is a bad idea. I don't know, what does everybody > > think? > > > > I know some TODO lists/pages, let's take one example: the 5.3-R TODO > list, when Hiroki and I wrote it we removed some items to avoid a too > long and scary list, some items still haven't found a person to > work on... > We can do circles during a long time, the problem is not having someone > at the top of the pyramid etc., the problem is having people really > doing the work. From my point of view this thread is useless, I'd > prefer to see some real patches instead of long talks in the wind. As > you said (in something I did not quote) there's quite no risk of work > collision, so it's easy for anyone to find something that needs to be > fixed and work on it. And the more I read this thread, the more I think > we are trying to point the structure of docproj (persons) as responsible > of the current "bad" shape of the doc/ tree. Frankly, the doc/ tree > shape is not that bad, I'd even add it is in a good shape according to > readers complaints. So let's improve the docs in committing things and > not in thinking about "what might be a good way of think to find good > ideas to improve things" (hehe I'm not sure my last sentence is in > english). > To be serious, if you want some task/todo lists and some directions, the > doceng@ may take care of this, and since the doceng@ is not busy that > should not be a problem for this team to work on this task. Good! Have Murray stop doing random list additions along with non-discussed (rude) commits and pull him back into the silence that is doceng@ and have it go from there. Thank you -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 11:19:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2144216A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7324643D45; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5BJUn6039472; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 03:19:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB5BJUjH009130; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:30 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB5BJUq4002359; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:30 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5BJTvL002358; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:29 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:19:29 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20041205111929.GC23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041202203441.GM753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202160251.269d9078@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202160251.269d9078@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:19:33 -0000 --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:02:51PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > The primer is already very out of date. =20 Specifics? I've just tried a search for Primer related PRs, and nothing shows up. > Once I offered to update > it but that was too great a task and no one from doceng@ seemed > as if they wanted to explicity point out the policy on issues. Can you send me a copy of this please. I've just wandered through my doceng archive and can't find anything from you that mentions this, so it looks like I either never received it, or inadvertently deleted it. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBsu7Ak6gHZCw343URAkdNAJwOHmZL5zVL/RkOQcNLKsvLzvgS+QCfRQqv WFPu+4ht6LYDGSsHuQc3SAg= =T3zI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uXxzq0nDebZQVNAZ-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 11:42:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE97F16A4CE for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B603743D5C for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5BguSn015281 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 03:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB5Bgtx1009273 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:55 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB5Bgt0P002425 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:55 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5Bgt4x002424 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:55 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 11:42:54 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Subject: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 11:42:58 -0000 --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new FreeBSD Networking Handbook? Probably in two parts. The first part is an introduction to networking, IP and the like. This is where things like Firewall Routing / Gateways Wireless Bridging NAT all sit. The second part is a collection of chapters, one per network service, taken from the "Network Servers" chapter (make each in there a=20 chapter in its own right.) Having done that, break them down in to two more s, "Client", and "Server", either of which might be optional if it doesn't make much sense. So you'd have: Ch. Inetd Synopsis Terminology Server Ch. E-mail (SMTP) [1] Synopsis Terminology Client Server Ch. NIS Synopsis Terminology Client Server Ch. NFS ... and so on. N [1] Content repurposed from existing Electronic Mail chapter --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBsvQ9k6gHZCw343URAgoJAJ925pwMB4si9SrXADU0SZGDQRzL0gCdEDM7 vAwUTc2mzBHiVQbzOD804fg= =5AMN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OaZoDhBhXzo6bW1J-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 12:42:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F9E16A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1CD43D53; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (simon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5CgxEs038453; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:59 GMT (envelope-from simon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from simon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5CgvCB038449; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:57 GMT (envelope-from simon) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:42:57 GMT From: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-Id: <200412051242.iB5CgvCB038449@freefall.freebsd.org> To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li, simon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/55207: [patch] update acroread section of handbook & add local. versions X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:42:59 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] update acroread section of handbook & add local. versions State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: simon State-Changed-When: Sun Dec 5 12:41:25 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Close PR, since submitter is no longer interested in the patch, and blackend has fixed the main issue (reference to dead ports). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=55207 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 12:45:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BAD16A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:45:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2578743D58; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:45:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB5ChKDO096799; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:43:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB5ChJn9096798; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:43:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:43:19 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Message-ID: <20041205124319.GA96646@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200412051242.iB5CgvCB038449@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412051242.iB5CgvCB038449@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/55207: [patch] update acroread section of handbook & add local. versions X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 12:45:08 -0000 On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 12:42:57PM +0000, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > Synopsis: [patch] update acroread section of handbook & add local. versions > > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: simon > State-Changed-When: Sun Dec 5 12:41:25 GMT 2004 > State-Changed-Why: > Close PR, since submitter is no longer interested in the patch, and > blackend has fixed the main issue (reference to dead ports). > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=55207 Thanks, I missed this one. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 14:40:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03EB816A4CE for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:40:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE84E43D6E for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:40:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5EeMV7055163 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5EeMQB055162; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:40:22 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412051440.iB5EeMQB055162@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCD16A4CE for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:32:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE3443D41 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 14:32:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5EEF23824C; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:32:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av11-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A08238126 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:32:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from dude.automatvapen.se (t6o55p76.telia.com [212.181.194.196]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BBDCC37E4E for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:31:29 +0100 (CET) Received: by dude.automatvapen.se (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:31:32 +0100 Message-Id: <20041205143129.BBDCC37E4E@smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:31:32 +0100 From: "Joel Dahl" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 14:40:23 -0000 >Number: 74720 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Dec 05 14:40:22 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Sat Nov 13 19:50:36 CET 2004 joel@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WRK i386 >Description: - Remove contractions. - Use the serial comma. - Correct spelling. This chapter still requires a lot of work. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- firewall2.diff begins here --- Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 00:14:21 -0000 1.1 +++ chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 13:46:13 -0000 @@ -39,11 +39,11 @@ network connections and either allows the traffic through or blocks it. The rules of the firewall can inspect one or more characteristics of the packets, including but not limited to the - protocol type, the source or destination host address and the + protocol type, the source or destination host address, and the source or destination port. Firewalls greatly enhance the security of your network, your - applications and services. They can be used to do one of more of + applications and services. They can be used to do one or more of the following things: @@ -197,7 +197,7 @@ The author prefers IPFILTER because its stateful rules are much less complicated to use in a NAT environment and it has a built in ftp proxy that simplifies the - rules to allow secure outbound FTP usage. If is also more + rules to allow secure outbound FTP usage. It is also more appropriate to the knowledge level of the inexperienced firewall user. @@ -566,7 +566,7 @@ log and adds the log keyword to those rules. Normally only deny rules are logged. - Its very customary to include a default deny everything + It is very customary to include a default deny everything rule with the log keyword included as your last rule in the rule set. This way you get to see all the packets that did not match any of the rules in the rule set. @@ -749,8 +749,8 @@ That is all there is to it. The rules are not important in this example, how the Symbolic substitution field are populated and used are. If the above example was in /etc/ipf.rules.script - file, you could reload these rules by entering on the command - line. + file, you could reload these rules by entering this on the command + line: sh /etc/ipf.rules.script @@ -948,7 +948,7 @@ SELECTION The keywords described in this section are used to describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when - determining whether rules match or don't match. There is a + determining whether rules match or not. There is a keyword subject, and it has sub-option keywords, one of which has to be selected. The following general-purpose attributes are provided for matching, and must be used in @@ -1842,7 +1842,7 @@ options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT These options are exactly the same as the IPv4 options but - they are for IPv6. If you don't use IPv6 you might want to use + they are for IPv6. If you do not use IPv6 you might want to use IPV6FIREWALL without any rules to block all IPv6 options IPDIVERT @@ -1851,7 +1851,7 @@ functionality. - If you don't include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set + If you do not include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set your rules to allow incoming packets you will block all packets going to and from this machine. @@ -2066,7 +2066,7 @@ The keywords described in this section are used to describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when - determining whether rules match or don't match the packet. + determining whether rules match the packet or not. The following general-purpose attributes are provided for matching, and must be used in this order: @@ -2276,7 +2276,7 @@ The /etc/ipfw.rules file could be - located any where you want and the file could be named any + located anywhere you want and the file could be named any thing you would like. The same thing could also be accomplished by running --- firewall2.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 15:20:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673A416A4D6 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:20:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B484A43D66 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:20:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5FKIqk060206 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:20:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5FKIXi060205; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:20:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:20:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412051520.iB5FKIXi060205@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Francois Ropert Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168BF16A4CE for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:13:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0516443D5C for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:13:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5FDZLa047584 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:13:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5FDZMY047582; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:13:35 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200412051513.iB5FDZMY047582@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 15:13:35 GMT From: Francois Ropert To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/74724: handbook network-inetd webpage X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:20:19 -0000 >Number: 74724 >Category: docs >Synopsis: handbook network-inetd webpage >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Dec 05 15:20:18 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Francois Ropert >Release: 5.3-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD reloaded 5.3-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE-p1 #8: Tue Nov 30 19:15:09 CET 2004 root@reloaded:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/ASPIRE i386 >Description: First problem : Miss words in 23.2.3 Command-Line Options section : inetd synopsis missings : [-s maximum ] Second problem : Missing description of -s maximum (after -R rate description and before -a description) Third problem : Typo error in 23.2.4 inetd.conf : Comments in the file are precedeb by a #. # is surround of antiquote and quotation marks. >How-To-Repeat: Refresh web browser >Fix: First problem : add [-s maximum] between [-R rate] and [configuration file] in synopsis. Second problem : Missing description of -s maximum : -s maximum Specify the default maximum number of simultaneous invocations of each service from a single IP address; the default is unlimited. May be overridden on a per-service basis with the "max-child-per-ip" parameter. Third problem : Replace ``#'' by ''#'' in the third line from "Example 23-1. Sending inetd a HangUP Signal". >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 19:30:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDBA16A4CE; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mh1.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1DF43D5E; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:30:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com ([192.168.42.25]) by mh1.centtech.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5JUenk037441; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 13:30:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 13:28:59 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/598/Sat Nov 20 16:30:09 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on mh1.centtech.com X-Virus-Status: Clean cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:30:42 -0000 Nik Clayton wrote: >Hi All, > >Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network >Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new >FreeBSD Networking Handbook? > What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - it fits with the rest of the book. Eric From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 23:45:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BF716A4F6; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5239D43D41; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hmp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5Njua7019927; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:56 GMT (envelope-from hmp@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hmp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5NjudO019923; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:56 GMT (envelope-from hmp) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:45:56 GMT From: Hiten Pandya Message-Id: <200412052345.iB5NjudO019923@freefall.freebsd.org> To: slaven.rezic@berlin.de, hmp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/44435: sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:45:56 -0000 Synopsis: sysctl manpage: add example for tcsh State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: hmp State-Changed-When: Sun Dec 5 23:44:58 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: A variation of the original patch was committed by few moments ago. Thank you! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=44435 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 5 23:48:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BAF16A522; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:48:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CDD43D58; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:48:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hmp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB5Nmtk1019998; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:48:55 GMT (envelope-from hmp@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hmp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB5Nmt7v019994; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:48:55 GMT (envelope-from hmp) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:48:55 GMT From: Hiten Pandya Message-Id: <200412052348.iB5Nmt7v019994@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hmp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, hmp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/56936: [patch] articles/java-tomcat: add application tags X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:48:55 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] articles/java-tomcat: add application tags Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->hmp Responsible-Changed-By: hmp Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Dec 5 23:48:25 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will take this; I am slowly resuming my work on FreeBSD Documentation. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=56936 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 00:25:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5C516A4F2; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:25:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FD543D5A; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:25:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hmp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB60PdXe025341; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:25:39 GMT (envelope-from hmp@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hmp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB60PdZu025337; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:25:39 GMT (envelope-from hmp) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 00:25:39 GMT From: Hiten Pandya Message-Id: <200412060025.iB60PdZu025337@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hmp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, hmp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/70652: New man page: portindex(5) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 00:25:39 -0000 Synopsis: New man page: portindex(5) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->hmp Responsible-Changed-By: hmp Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Dec 6 00:23:28 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: The current manual page lacks mdoc conformity totally, so I am in the process of giving it a face-lift, as well as other structural changes where neccessary. It is under my radar now, bear with me. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=70652 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 02:43:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAACB16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:43:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE6B43D39; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:43:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004120602432401500ndo59e>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:43:24 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Joel Dahl Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:43:07 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041205143129.BBDCC37E4E@smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net> In-Reply-To: <20041205143129.BBDCC37E4E@smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412052143.07261.zettel@acm.org> cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:43:25 -0000 On Sunday 05 December 2004 02:31 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: > >Number: 74720 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: doc-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Sun Dec 05 14:40:22 GMT 2004 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Joel Dahl > >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 > >Organization: > >Environment: > > System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Sat > Nov 13 19:50:36 CET 2004 joel@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WRK > i386 > > >Description: > > - Remove contractions. > - Use the serial comma. > - Correct spelling. > > This chapter still requires a lot of work. > > >How-To-Repeat: > > > >Fix: > > --- firewall2.diff begins here --- > Index: chapter.sgml > =================================================================== So while you were at it, why not go a little further---- > RCS file: > /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/chapter.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.1 > diff -u -r1.1 chapter.sgml > --- chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 00:14:21 -0000 1.1 > +++ chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 13:46:13 -0000 > @@ -39,11 +39,11 @@ > network connections and either allows the traffic through or > blocks it. The rules of the firewall can inspect one or more > characteristics of the packets, including but not limited to the > - protocol type, the source or destination host address and the > + protocol type, the source or destination host address, and the > source or destination port. > > Firewalls greatly enhance the security of your network, your > - applications and services. They can be used to do one of more of > + applications and services. They can be used to do one or more of > the following things: the following: > > > @@ -197,7 +197,7 @@ > The author prefers IPFILTER because its stateful rules are > much less complicated to use in a NAT > environment and it has a built in ftp proxy that simplifies the environment and its built in ftp proxy simplifies the > - rules to allow secure outbound FTP usage. If is also more + rules necessary for secure outbound FTP usage. It is also more > appropriate to the knowledge level of the inexperienced firewall attuned to the knowledge level of the inexperienced firewall > user. > > @@ -566,7 +566,7 @@ > log and adds the log keyword to those rules. Normally only > deny rules are logged. > > - Its very customary to include a default deny everything > + It is very customary to include a default deny everything + It is customary to include a default "deny everything" > rule with the log keyword included as your last rule in the rule containing the log keyword as your last rule in the > rule set. This way you get to see all the packets that did not rule set. You can then see all the packets that did not > match any of the rules in the rule set. > @@ -749,8 +749,8 @@ > That is all there is to it. The rules are not important in > this example, how the Symbolic substitution field are populated this example; how the Symbolic substitution fields are populated > and used are. If the above example was in /etc/ipf.rules.script and used is. If the above example were in /etc/ipf.rules.script > - file, you could reload these rules by entering on the command > - line. > + file, you could reload these rules by entering this on the > command + line: > > sh /etc/ipf.rules.script > > @@ -948,7 +948,7 @@ > SELECTION > The keywords described in this section are used to > describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when > - determining whether rules match or don't match. There is a > + determining whether rules match or not. There is a + determining whether rules match. There is a > keyword subject, and it has sub-option keywords, one of > which has to be selected. The following general-purpose which must be selected. The following general-purpose > attributes are provided for matching, and must be used in > @@ -1842,7 +1842,7 @@ > options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > > These options are exactly the same as the IPv4 options but > - they are for IPv6. If you don't use IPv6 you might want to use > + they are for IPv6. If you do not use IPv6 you might want to use > IPV6FIREWALL without any rules to block all IPv6 > > options IPDIVERT > @@ -1851,7 +1851,7 @@ > functionality. > > > - If you don't include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set > + If you do not include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set > your rules to allow incoming packets you will block all > packets going to and from this machine. > > @@ -2066,7 +2066,7 @@ > > The keywords described in this section are used to > describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when > - determining whether rules match or don't match the packet. > + determining whether rules match the packet or not. + determining whether rules match the packet. > The following general-purpose attributes are provided for > matching, and must be used in this order: > > @@ -2276,7 +2276,7 @@ > > > The /etc/ipfw.rules file could be > - located any where you want and the file could be named any > + located anywhere you want and the file could be named any > thing you would like. in a name and location of your choice. > > The same thing could also be accomplished by running > --- firewall2.diff ends here --- > > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 02:50:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF516A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:50:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495B443D31 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:50:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB62o8pv040951 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB62o8h3040950; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:50:08 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:50:08 GMT Message-Id: <200412060250.iB62o8h3040950@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Len Zettel Subject: Re: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Len Zettel List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 02:50:08 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/74720; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Len Zettel To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, Joel Dahl Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 21:43:07 +0000 On Sunday 05 December 2004 02:31 pm, Joel Dahl wrote: > >Number: 74720 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter > >Confidential: no > >Severity: non-critical > >Priority: low > >Responsible: freebsd-doc > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: doc-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Sun Dec 05 14:40:22 GMT 2004 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Joel Dahl > >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 > >Organization: > >Environment: > > System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Sat > Nov 13 19:50:36 CET 2004 joel@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WRK > i386 > > >Description: > > - Remove contractions. > - Use the serial comma. > - Correct spelling. > > This chapter still requires a lot of work. > > >How-To-Repeat: > > > >Fix: > > --- firewall2.diff begins here --- > Index: chapter.sgml > =================================================================== So while you were at it, why not go a little further---- > RCS file: > /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/chapter.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.1 > diff -u -r1.1 chapter.sgml > --- chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 00:14:21 -0000 1.1 > +++ chapter.sgml 5 Dec 2004 13:46:13 -0000 > @@ -39,11 +39,11 @@ > network connections and either allows the traffic through or > blocks it. The rules of the firewall can inspect one or more > characteristics of the packets, including but not limited to the > - protocol type, the source or destination host address and the > + protocol type, the source or destination host address, and the > source or destination port. > > Firewalls greatly enhance the security of your network, your > - applications and services. They can be used to do one of more of > + applications and services. They can be used to do one or more of > the following things: the following: > > > @@ -197,7 +197,7 @@ > The author prefers IPFILTER because its stateful rules are > much less complicated to use in a NAT > environment and it has a built in ftp proxy that simplifies the environment and its built in ftp proxy simplifies the > - rules to allow secure outbound FTP usage. If is also more + rules necessary for secure outbound FTP usage. It is also more > appropriate to the knowledge level of the inexperienced firewall attuned to the knowledge level of the inexperienced firewall > user. > > @@ -566,7 +566,7 @@ > log and adds the log keyword to those rules. Normally only > deny rules are logged. > > - Its very customary to include a default deny everything > + It is very customary to include a default deny everything + It is customary to include a default "deny everything" > rule with the log keyword included as your last rule in the rule containing the log keyword as your last rule in the > rule set. This way you get to see all the packets that did not rule set. You can then see all the packets that did not > match any of the rules in the rule set. > @@ -749,8 +749,8 @@ > That is all there is to it. The rules are not important in > this example, how the Symbolic substitution field are populated this example; how the Symbolic substitution fields are populated > and used are. If the above example was in /etc/ipf.rules.script and used is. If the above example were in /etc/ipf.rules.script > - file, you could reload these rules by entering on the command > - line. > + file, you could reload these rules by entering this on the > command + line: > > sh /etc/ipf.rules.script > > @@ -948,7 +948,7 @@ > SELECTION > The keywords described in this section are used to > describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when > - determining whether rules match or don't match. There is a > + determining whether rules match or not. There is a + determining whether rules match. There is a > keyword subject, and it has sub-option keywords, one of > which has to be selected. The following general-purpose which must be selected. The following general-purpose > attributes are provided for matching, and must be used in > @@ -1842,7 +1842,7 @@ > options IPV6FIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > > These options are exactly the same as the IPv4 options but > - they are for IPv6. If you don't use IPv6 you might want to use > + they are for IPv6. If you do not use IPv6 you might want to use > IPV6FIREWALL without any rules to block all IPv6 > > options IPDIVERT > @@ -1851,7 +1851,7 @@ > functionality. > > > - If you don't include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set > + If you do not include IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT or set > your rules to allow incoming packets you will block all > packets going to and from this machine. > > @@ -2066,7 +2066,7 @@ > > The keywords described in this section are used to > describe attributes of the packet to be interrogated when > - determining whether rules match or don't match the packet. > + determining whether rules match the packet or not. + determining whether rules match the packet. > The following general-purpose attributes are provided for > matching, and must be used in this order: > > @@ -2276,7 +2276,7 @@ > > > The /etc/ipfw.rules file could be > - located any where you want and the file could be named any > + located anywhere you want and the file could be named any > thing you would like. in a name and location of your choice. > > The same thing could also be accomplished by running > --- firewall2.diff ends here --- > > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 09:27:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B7216A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:27:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E963643D1F; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:27:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE0829542D; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:27:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 78751-17; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:27:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B425FB.5020601@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:27:23 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray Stokely References: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: throdes@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefilebook.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:27:19 -0000 Murray Stokely wrote: > murray 2004-12-05 00:14:22 UTC > > FreeBSD doc repository > > Modified files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefile book.sgml chapters.ent > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security chapter.sgml > Added files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml > Log: > Remove the bulging firewalls section from the security chapter into a > new chapter all its own, currently in the 'network communications' > part as chapter 24. > > Add a small paragraph at the bottom of the security chapter synopsis > noting that additional security topics are covered in the MAC chapter > and the Firewall chapter. > > While here add some missing punctuation, cleanup the whitespace, add > missing tags, add a synopsis, and of course > s/ > Revision Changes Path > 1.91 +1 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/Makefile > 1.157 +5 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.sgml > 1.29 +1 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/chapters.ent > 1.1 +15 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/Makefile (new) > 1.1 +2868 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/chapter.sgml (new) > 1.250 +4 -2774 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security/chapter.sgml Hi, I feel a bit passed by by this commit :(. I was preparing a split of the chapter as i mentioned on doc@. You even replied to that and still you took this out of my hand without asking me or so. Makes me feel a little sad. So i would like to hear how we all can arrange that these things will not happen again. Thanks -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 09:31:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3867416A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:31:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A339E43D53; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:31:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C4029542D; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:31:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79334-13; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:31:18 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B426ED.6010606@elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:31:25 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Rhodes , doc@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefile doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security chapter.sgml] X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:31:20 -0000 since i was not allowed to send this to more lists i will split it a bit -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefile book.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security chapter.sgml Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:27:23 +0100 From: Remko Lodder To: Murray Stokely CC: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org, throdes@freebsd.org, Max Laier References: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> Murray Stokely wrote: > murray 2004-12-05 00:14:22 UTC > > FreeBSD doc repository > > Modified files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefile book.sgml chapters.ent > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security chapter.sgml > Added files: > en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml > Log: > Remove the bulging firewalls section from the security chapter into a > new chapter all its own, currently in the 'network communications' > part as chapter 24. > > Add a small paragraph at the bottom of the security chapter synopsis > noting that additional security topics are covered in the MAC chapter > and the Firewall chapter. > > While here add some missing punctuation, cleanup the whitespace, add > missing tags, add a synopsis, and of course > s/ > Revision Changes Path > 1.91 +1 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/Makefile > 1.157 +5 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.sgml > 1.29 +1 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/chapters.ent > 1.1 +15 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/Makefile (new) > 1.1 +2868 -0 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls/chapter.sgml (new) > 1.250 +4 -2774 doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/security/chapter.sgml Hi, I feel a bit passed by by this commit :(. I was preparing a split of the chapter as i mentioned on doc@. You even replied to that and still you took this out of my hand without asking me or so. Makes me feel a little sad. So i would like to hear how we all can arrange that these things will not happen again. Thanks -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder |remko@elvandar.org Reporter DSINet |remko@dsinet.org Projectleader Mostly-Harmless |remko@mostly-harmless.nl Founder Tienervaders |remko@tienervaders.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 10:10:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 016B516A51E for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:10:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EEF43D5C for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:10:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C719D295449 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:10:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79705-19 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:10:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B4300A.2050206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:10:18 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org Subject: making answers on questions more easily to lookup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:10:14 -0000 Hi, I read an email from Mark Linimon today state-ing that there are perhaps searches on the site that give back 20 results and where only one or tweo answers are provided. I also follow the sunmanagers mailinglist for my employer and it seems to me that they do a good job in posting a Summery to the list where one could easily find the answer. Although the sunmanager list is a bit different for only having questions (one) and a summery, we perhaps can introduce it to some lists. Subject: I have a SATA harddisk, is supported? Subject: re: I have a Sata (etc) Subject: Summary: I have a SATA harddisk (etc) where the last post has the information that someone requires when having the same question. Do we think that is possible? or any ideas? (It was just a thought that popped up). -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 11:01:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D32C16A4D2 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3340543D5A for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:01:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6B1IXo026257 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:01:18 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6B1DcF026249 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:01:13 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:01:13 GMT Message-Id: <200412061101.iB6B1DcF026249@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:01:18 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/05/24] docs/27605 doc Cross-document references () s [2002/03/08] docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for o [2002/03/21] docs/36168 doc -pthread/_THREAD_SAFE docs missing in gcc f [2002/09/14] docs/42762 doc ppp.8 has no description of $env and ~use o [2002/11/15] docs/45303 doc Bug in PDF DocBook rendering o [2003/12/29] docs/60679 doc pthreads documentation does not describe o [2004/01/19] docs/61558 doc New SMC 2602W cards, using the ADM8211, a o [2004/01/20] docs/61605 doc Improve documentation for i386 disk geome f [2004/03/10] docs/64063 doc Size of block in File System Quota docume o [2004/09/04] docs/71359 doc /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf contain o [2004/10/03] docs/72285 doc GCC manuals are out of sync o [2004/10/11] docs/72500 doc Clean up Java and Jakarta Tomcat article o [2004/10/15] docs/72743 doc Porter's Handbook lacks info on using aut o [2004/10/19] docs/72897 doc ERRATA and RELNOTES are missing warnings o [2004/12/03] docs/74656 doc [PATCH] some improvements to man 5 passwd 15 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s [2000/07/19] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2001/02/02] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string s [2001/06/03] docs/27843 doc [PATCH] make.conf WITH_* variables aren't o [2001/07/26] docs/29245 doc top(1) manpage doesn't understand SMP a [2001/08/23] docs/30008 doc This document should be translated, comme p [2001/09/27] docs/30873 doc ``ip'' man page does not specify byte ord o [2001/10/07] docs/31109 doc replace gif images w/ png ones due to pat o [2002/01/05] docs/33589 doc Patch to doc.docbook.mk to post process . o [2002/01/09] docs/33724 doc [patch] fix Handbook error about Advanced o [2002/01/14] docs/33852 doc split(1) man page implies that input file o [2002/01/14] docs/33877 doc Documented behaviour of SF_flags for non- a [2002/02/16] docs/35011 doc There are no commands called "diskless" o o [2002/02/22] docs/35222 doc mailing list archive URL regexp suboptima o [2002/03/06] docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explana o [2002/03/06] docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long era o [2002/03/06] docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't me o [2002/03/07] docs/35642 doc lo(4) page maybe should document optional o [2002/03/07] docs/35644 doc lo(4) page presumes familiarity with prin o [2002/03/07] docs/35646 doc cp(1) page needs a "Bugs" section. o [2002/03/07] docs/35648 doc rc.conf; add note about "flags" to both f o [2002/03/08] docs/35686 doc blackhole(4) page seems to contradict its o [2002/03/08] docs/35687 doc /etc/nsmb.conf missing mention of readers o [2002/03/10] docs/35732 doc adduser(8) page has obsolete reference an o [2002/03/16] docs/35943 doc at(1) config files are misplaced in /var/ o [2002/03/16] docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wro o [2002/03/28] docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded bo o [2002/03/29] docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailin s [2002/05/07] docs/37843 doc manual for pthread_setschedparam is wrong o [2002/05/18] docs/38225 doc change "CDROM" to "CD-ROM" o [2002/05/25] docs/38556 doc EPS file of beastie, as addition to exist o [2002/05/27] docs/38620 doc Committers Guide and CVS o [2002/05/31] docs/38772 doc firewall_type feature not mentioned on Ha o [2002/06/07] docs/38982 doc developers-hanbook/Jail fix p [2002/06/08] docs/39044 doc The man page for rot13(6) never mentions o [2002/06/13] docs/39213 doc No rc(4) man page o [2002/06/15] docs/39348 doc kenv fetch of hostname requires dhcp/boot o [2002/06/19] docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broa o [2002/06/25] docs/39824 doc Various tweaks for doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/bo o [2002/07/10] docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to o [2002/07/21] docs/40851 doc [PATCH] "mergemaster -p" in UPDATING's "C o [2002/07/28] docs/41089 doc pax -B option does not mention interactio o [2002/08/02] docs/41270 doc confusing directions for kernelconfig cha o [2002/08/19] docs/41791 doc Documentation formatting error o [2002/08/20] docs/41807 doc natd -punch_fw "bug" o [2002/08/20] docs/41820 doc Device driver confusion in Handbook (2.3) a [2002/08/27] docs/42058 doc Documentation: Installing Oracle 8i onto o [2002/10/04] docs/43651 doc stab(5) incorrectly states to include jus o [2002/10/09] docs/43861 doc non-trivial typo in wicontrol man page o [2002/10/11] docs/43941 doc Rationale for Upgrade Sequence o [2002/10/15] docs/44074 doc ln(1) manual clarifications [patch] o [2002/10/29] docs/44594 doc Handbook doesn't mention drivers.flp for o [2002/12/02] docs/45940 doc burncd missing info o [2002/12/11] docs/46196 doc Missing return value in (set_)menu_format o [2002/12/16] docs/46291 doc correlation between HZ kernel config para o [2002/12/16] docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery em o [2003/01/06] docs/46793 doc DEVICE_POLLING can not be used with SMP, o [2003/01/28] docs/47575 doc Clarify requirements for IPFW2 in STABLE o [2003/01/28] docs/47594 doc [PATH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allow o [2003/01/30] docs/47690 doc builtin(1) manpage is wrong about externa o [2003/01/31] docs/47705 doc wc(1) manpage has poor explanations. f [2003/02/02] docs/47818 doc ln(1) manpage is confusing o [2003/02/28] docs/48767 doc wrong key numbers for left/right windows o [2003/03/06] docs/48980 doc [PATCH] nsgmls -s errors and sect. 3.2.1 o [2003/03/23] docs/50211 doc [PATCH] Fix textfile creation o [2003/04/03] docs/50573 doc return values for res_query/res_search/re o [2003/04/07] docs/50677 doc [PATCH] update doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/ o [2003/05/06] docs/51875 doc atkbd(4) adjustment o [2003/05/06] docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed driver manpage don't ma o [2003/05/07] docs/51921 doc ls(1) manpage lacks some information abou o [2003/05/11] docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft u o [2003/05/25] docs/52672 doc Porter's Handbook: couple of corrections o [2003/06/13] docs/53303 doc mount(2) man page error o [2003/06/21] docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 o [2003/06/21] docs/53596 doc Updates to mt manual page o [2003/06/25] docs/53732 doc quota output and man page do not document o [2003/07/13] docs/54451 doc [patch] i386_{get|set}_ldt manual page is o [2003/07/26] docs/54879 doc man 1 jot, -r description o [2003/08/12] docs/55482 doc DUMP has access to block devices in a JAI o [2003/08/17] docs/55653 doc chflags.1 - note that not all tools chfla o [2003/09/15] docs/56903 doc [patch] articles/fonts: add application t o [2003/09/16] docs/56915 doc [patch] articles/fonts: update links o [2003/09/24] docs/57153 doc S_IRWXU missing in fstat(2) man page? o [2003/09/30] docs/57388 doc INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok promp o [2003/10/04] docs/57569 doc error on gensetdefs(8) man page o [2003/10/13] docs/57926 doc amd.conf.5 poorly format as it has both m o [2003/10/13] docs/57974 doc man page apropos for select macros (FD_SE o [2003/10/13] docs/57978 doc Type miss of GPIB in Hardware Notes o [2003/10/16] docs/58111 doc Handbook 12.4.3 Rebuilding ATA RAID1 Arra o [2003/10/28] docs/58615 doc update for Vinum chapter of Handbook: des o [2003/10/30] docs/58710 doc killpg(2) contains an error regarding sen o [2003/11/07] docs/59044 doc doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a o [2003/11/19] docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.fr o [2003/11/21] docs/59565 doc [PATCH] FAQ doesn't cover definition of g o [2003/11/24] docs/59649 doc Outdated 4.4BSD Documents at http://docs. o [2003/11/30] docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about acce o [2003/12/23] docs/60529 doc resolver(5) man page is badly out of date o [2003/12/24] docs/60544 doc getenv(3) manpage doesn't state the retur o [2004/01/08] docs/61070 doc handbook: Installation docs misleading: o [2004/01/13] docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enabl o [2004/01/21] docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o [2004/01/25] docs/61859 doc Incorrect informaiton about trace command o [2004/01/25] docs/61878 doc LSI megaraid 150-x cards not included in o [2004/02/05] docs/62402 doc easily circumventable Blade150 problem o [2004/02/06] docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods describe o [2004/02/12] docs/62719 doc cross-reference pccardd and devd o [2004/02/12] docs/62724 doc host(1) manpage does not include informat o [2004/02/16] docs/62914 doc Reference development(7) in other parts o o [2004/02/22] docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref doc o [2004/03/03] docs/63676 doc [patch] Fix some tag errors in handbook. p [2004/03/03] docs/63719 doc lptcontrol(8) manpage omits -s from a lis o [2004/03/05] docs/63808 doc No manpage for devfs.conf o [2004/03/27] docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o [2004/04/02] docs/65065 doc improper language ntpd man pages o [2004/04/13] docs/65477 doc Installation Instruction fail to mention o [2004/04/14] docs/65530 doc minor improvement to getgrent.3 o [2004/04/22] docs/65895 doc incorrect "omshell" link in "dhclient" ma o [2004/04/26] docs/65988 doc incorrect references to ppp.conf in handb o [2004/04/29] docs/66091 doc ppp(8) docs out-of-date for -CURRENT o [2004/05/04] docs/66264 doc [patch] libexec/rtld/rtld.1 typo fixes no o [2004/05/04] docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOA o [2004/05/05] docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_op o [2004/05/07] docs/66343 doc unlisted supported card on man page for w o [2004/05/09] docs/66426 doc handbook update (desktop section): web br o [2004/05/10] docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o [2004/05/17] docs/66768 doc 4_RELENG share/man/man4/ng_one2many.4 MFC o [2004/05/17] docs/66770 doc [patch] share/man/man4/ng_pppoe.4 tyops, o [2004/05/23] docs/67078 doc [patch] MFC of a rtld(1) man page is inco f [2004/06/10] docs/67806 doc [patch] Let 5.x users know how to boot in o [2004/06/13] docs/67893 doc boot.8's -m description is insufficient. o [2004/06/28] docs/68453 doc [patch] rc.subr.8 o [2004/07/02] docs/68606 doc Porter's Handbook: document how to write o [2004/07/09] docs/68843 doc Dates on rc.subr(8) & rc(8) are whack. o [2004/07/09] docs/68845 doc The .At macro produces unexpected results o [2004/07/19] docs/69271 doc Porter's Handbook: hint on proper pkg-mes o [2004/07/21] docs/69383 doc disklabel = bsdlabel in 5.X or later o [2004/08/03] docs/69968 doc minor clarification in mac glossary o [2004/08/09] docs/70217 doc Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml o [2004/08/11] docs/70310 doc [PATCH] Add information about DragonFly t o [2004/08/24] docs/70916 doc msync.2 manpage update o [2004/08/25] docs/70943 doc remove -k from gdb.1 manual o [2004/09/10] docs/71555 doc how to run matlab on 5.2 o [2004/09/14] docs/71739 doc amd.8 points to old web-page o [2004/09/16] docs/71782 doc mount_nfs man page is a bit out of date o [2004/09/20] docs/71946 doc [PATCH] Reference X.org instead of XFree8 o [2004/09/21] docs/71980 doc Handbook says that no other software is k o [2004/10/06] docs/72375 doc prototype error in signal(3) o [2004/10/06] docs/72383 doc manpage for awk(1) is terribly small and o [2004/10/07] docs/72434 doc doc/share/examples/vim/accents2sgml.pl fi o [2004/10/07] docs/72435 doc doc/share/examples/vim/sgml2accents.pl fi o [2004/10/09] docs/72462 doc [PATCH] A few minor corrections to the hu f [2004/10/11] docs/72545 doc [patch] [handbook] Update in Wireless Net o [2004/10/20] docs/72925 doc Developer's Handbook Ch. 11: replace gdb o [2004/11/01] docs/73387 doc manpage of pthread_mutex_lock does not me o [2004/11/03] docs/73479 doc Handbook gives incomplete suggestion on i o [2004/11/06] docs/73583 doc [patch] add missing instructions to ndis( o [2004/11/06] docs/73618 doc [PATCH] Several improvements to man 1 ps o [2004/11/07] docs/73638 doc ipfw(8): Clarify syntax for use of tables o [2004/11/08] docs/73679 doc FreeBSD 5.3 Release notes mention new nat o [2004/11/11] docs/73825 doc Verified FireWire card o [2004/11/11] docs/73826 doc The Handbook hasn't been updated to refle o [2004/11/22] docs/74231 doc Conflicting information on mergemaster -p o [2004/11/28] docs/74477 doc [patch] Correct several links in the cont o [2004/11/30] docs/74546 doc man(4) for snd_maestro audio driver o [2004/12/02] docs/74612 doc Updates to the glossary o [2004/12/02] docs/74624 doc Grammar changes to freebsd-users slide o [2004/12/05] docs/74720 doc [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the o [2004/12/05] docs/74724 doc handbook network-inetd webpage 168 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 12:12:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D77A16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E2D43D2D; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iB6CCBhU018838; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:12 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iB6CCBvn008992; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iB6CCAdg008947; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:12:10 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20041206121210.GA2166@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:12:23 -0000 On 2004-12-05 13:28, Eric Anderson wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > > > >Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network > >Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new > >FreeBSD Networking Handbook? > > What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - > it fits with the rest of the book. It moves us one step closer to the holy grail of a "handbook collection" -- a collection of books that will cover more specific topics, i.e.: User's Handbook Admin's Handbook Programmer's Handbook System Programmer's Handbook Networking Handbook etc. :-) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 13:20:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350B416A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253E143D5C for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6DKPJ8048857 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6DKOJw048856; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:20:24 GMT Message-Id: <200412061320.iB6DKOJw048856@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Joel Dahl Subject: Re: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:20:25 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/74720; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Joel Dahl To: Len Zettel Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/74720: [patch] Handbook: More corrections to the firewall chapter Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:11:30 +0100 On Sun, 2004-12-05 at 21:43 +0000, Len Zettel wrote: > So while you were at it, why not go a little further---- Are you volunteering to help clean up this chapter? :-) I've focused on correcting obvious things like bad grammar and misspellings, but I've left out style changes, like rewordings and such. Yes, I could probably correct everything in one big megapatch and wait for it to get committed, if I had more time to carefully read the hole chapter (it's long and it's easy to miss errors, just ask the author), but I'm not paid to do this you know, I'm merely doing this because I've been using FreeBSD for a long time, and I think that it's about time that I give something back to the Project. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 14:37:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9904416A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:37:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EA743D62; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:37:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from [10.177.171.220] (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iB6EboOJ010164; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:37:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <41B46EBA.6060907@centtech.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 08:37:46 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041110 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206121210.GA2166@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> In-Reply-To: <20041206121210.GA2166@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:37:56 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-12-05 13:28, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>Nik Clayton wrote: >> >>>Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network >>>Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new >>>FreeBSD Networking Handbook? >> >>What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - >>it fits with the rest of the book. > > > It moves us one step closer to the holy grail of a "handbook collection" > -- a collection of books that will cover more specific topics, i.e.: > > User's Handbook > Admin's Handbook > Programmer's Handbook > System Programmer's Handbook > Networking Handbook > > etc. :-) Ok - I like that idea - but I'd like to say that some work needs to be done on the "Documentation" page (http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html). From the main FreeBSD page, if you click on Documentation, it brings you to this page. I think the page isn't really too intuitive, and should be reorganized to make it a bit simpler to navigate. It's a small thing, but I've watched two people glance right down the page and miss ALL the handbooks already there, because it's under a heading called "Books" and they are thinking that means something you can buy at a bookstore. Also - I think it might be handy to have the 'Handbook' link on the main site then point to a 'Handbooks' page, that has all the handbooks on it, with a short paragraph underneath each one describing it's intent or contents. Just some thoughts.. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Sr. Systems Administrator Centaur Technology When in doubt, mumble; when in trouble, delegate; when in charge, ponder ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 15:15:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB5F16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:15:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC5443D31; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:15:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iB6FFgKg002174; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:15:42 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iB6FFgUW065961; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:15:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iB6FFfwS065954; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:15:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:15:41 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20041206151541.GB60780@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206121210.GA2166@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> <41B46EBA.6060907@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B46EBA.6060907@centtech.com> cc: Nik Clayton cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:15:49 -0000 On 2004-12-06 08:37, Eric Anderson wrote: >Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >>On 2004-12-05 13:28, Eric Anderson wrote: >>>Nik Clayton wrote: >>>>Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network >>>>Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new >>>>FreeBSD Networking Handbook? >>> >>>What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - >>>it fits with the rest of the book. >> >> >>It moves us one step closer to the holy grail of a "handbook collection" >>-- a collection of books that will cover more specific topics, i.e.: >> >> User's Handbook >> Admin's Handbook >[...] > Ok - I like that idea - but I'd like to say that some work needs to be > done on the "Documentation" page (http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html). Agreed. All points you raised are valid, IMHO. The docs.html page will definitely have to be updated if the books are reorganized. But let's take this a bit at a time :-) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:09:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D5416A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:09:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506A643D54; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:09:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3CC661CDA6; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:16:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:16:30 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Len Zettel Message-ID: <20041206171630.GJ78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:09:13 -0000 On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 01:29:34PM +0000, Len Zettel wrote: > This could change if three things moved up the > priority list. > 1) Fixing the doc infrastructure so it worked as > advertised. > > 2) Updating the advertising so a newbie could > find out how it worked without a lot of thrashing around. Hi Len, the Doc Project Primer is still the place to go for learning about how it all works. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/index.html Please open a PR if you think this document is misleading you in any way. It seems to be up to date to me. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:16:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A1316A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:16:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217E843D45; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:16:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 15CB21CDA6; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:23:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:23:19 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041206172319.GK78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041128211444.GC6664@abigail.blackend.org> <20041202195739.GK753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202204948.GC78684@abigail.blackend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202204948.GC78684@abigail.blackend.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:16:02 -0000 On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 09:49:48PM +0100, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > You're right, DSSSL is not easy to deal with, I don't know if a XSLT > solution can replace our DSSSL system. I think I've been one of the stronger advocactes for DSSSL as I've written a lot of code in freebsd.dsl and thousands of additional lines for the printed books by FreeBSD Mall, Inc. However, I have also been working more with XSL-FO recently, and while PassiveTeX is still limited (as is JadeTeX), the Java based XSL-FO formatters are far ahead of JadeTeX. The HTML output has been there for a long time, and I believe the toolchain support is also there for PDF output. DSSSL meets most of our needs now, but XSLT will allow us to have better olink support at least. Considering the amount of work involved, I'd personally want a pretty strong list of advantages and some ideas for new applications that XSL would enable before doing the work myself. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6290B16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87B43D5E; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:21:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 37F261CDA7; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:28:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:28:46 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20041206172846.GL78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041202203441.GM753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202160251.269d9078@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202160251.269d9078@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:21:29 -0000 On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:02:51PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > The primer is already very out of date. Once I offered to update > it but that was too great a task and no one from doceng@ seemed > as if they wanted to explicity point out the policy on issues. Browsing through the table of contents and the first few sections, I don't see any thing out of date. No one has stepped forward to write sections on DSSSL or XSLT, but I think it would be better to just have pointers to more authoritative content for those sections anyway. Please explain what is very out of date. This still seems to contain the details of the necessary tools, an overview of an SGML file, and how to edit the DocBook content with our preferred style and wordlist. It's recently been suggested that we add a section to the Primer about not committing works in progress that are significantly beneath the standards of the rest of our documentation set. In the past, that is just something that mentors would explain to new committers and that we'd all explain to contributors through the PR system. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:47:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435FF16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D445D43D60; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:47:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id D67A61CDAC; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:54:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 09:54:58 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:47:42 -0000 On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes, > Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a task, > Commit completed work after some minor/major review, > As one task is completed another is grabbed up. Thanks for pointing out to me the page : http://wiki.daemon.li/index.pl?DocIdeaList We should probably link to that from the current.sgml file. There are a few nice todo lists items there. Here are some others I recently added to the current projects page that I'd love for people to help out with : 1. Improve Handbook Index 2. Modernize website with CSS 3. Contribute Advocacy Slides/Presentations We already have a mechanism for listing projects that we'd like for people to help out with. It's great that we also have a Wiki now, but we should point to that from our official pages in www/en/docproj. At the moment, I prefer the Wiki to completement but not to replace current.sgml. - Murray --- 1. Improve Handbook Index Responsible: FreeBSD-doc Synopsis: Many new sections have been added to the FreeBSD Handbook without index terms, others have been added under inappropriate primary or secondary indexterms that do not fit the existing scheme. Some indexterms have been added inside list items or other areas where they are not allowed by our stylesheets, causing '???' to be printed in the index instead of a real page number. Index work requires experience and anyone who works on this task is highly encouraged to carefully read through the existing (print-output) index, and to have read the Chicago Manual of Style or other style books that deal with indexing. Please see the CVS history of some of the chapter.sgml files to see some of the indexing errors that have been corrected in the past. It is imperative to view the PostScript version of the Handbook after making any changes to indexterms as many errors, such as long words or deeply nested indexterms will break the two column output there, or cause the page number to be listed as '???'. There is a script doc/share/misc/indexreport.pl which can be used to find areas of an SGML file where are sparse. --- 2. Modernize website with CSS Responsible: FreeBSD-www Synopsis: Most of the FreeBSD.org website is written in HTML 3.2. Some of the files have been updated to technically use the HTML 4 DTD, but in spirit they are still HTML 3.2 files with very minimal use of CSS and extensive use of hardcoded presentation tags. Any redesign of the FreeBSD.org website will be more CSS based. Moving existing pages to CSS allows us to more quickly modify the look and feel of the entire website and should preserve bandwidth. As with DocBook for our technical documentation, recent CSS and HTML standards allow us to separate presentation from data and we should be taking better advantage of this with our website. --- 3. Contribute Advocacy Slides/Presentations Responsible: FreeBSD-doc , Murray Stokely Synopsis: Presentations marked up in the DocBook-slides DTD have recently been added to the documentation set in doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/slides. More advocacy content is needed, and additional stylesheet work is needed to pull in content from the release notes and other XML content in our documentation set to build up-to-date slides with 'make'. A simple example presentation was committed with some of this functionality, but there is more work to be done! Also, the stylesheets for print/PDF output (using the Java based XSLT processors, PassiveTeX is too limiting for slides) could be improved as the default DocBook Slides XSL-FO stylesheets produce very spartan slides. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:48:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F28B16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:48:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FEF43D3F; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:48:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004120617483501400en7vde>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:48:35 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: Murray Stokely Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:48:16 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041206171630.GJ78078@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20041206171630.GJ78078@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412061248.16595.zettel@acm.org> cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:48:36 -0000 On Monday 06 December 2004 05:16 pm, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 01:29:34PM +0000, Len Zettel wrote: > > This could change if three things moved up the > > priority list. > > 1) Fixing the doc infrastructure so it worked as > > advertised. > > > > 2) Updating the advertising so a newbie could > > find out how it worked without a lot of thrashing around. > > Hi Len, the Doc Project Primer is still the place to go for learning > about how it all works. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/index.html > > Please open a PR if you think this document is misleading you in any > way. It seems to be up to date to me. > > - Murray I have tried to read the doc primer (long about September-October 2004). At the moment, my problem is this. Not too long ago, I thought I saw where some improvements could be made to the documentation. I also figured that the the more work I could do to setting the proposed changes up to go automagically the better the chances were of their actually getting introduced smoothly and promptly. So I took a stab at creating an sgml file incorporating the changes (by editing the existing file for the document in question). When it came time create an html file from the sgml (so I could check the work) I flunked out. The make couldn't find some of the necessary boiler plate. So I took a chance, created a diff using the edited file and dashed off a PR. Part of my ever-expanding "todo" list is to take another stab at going from sgml to html. When I am happy with that I will take another crack at a PR or two. That likely won't be for a while yet. -LenZ- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 17:53:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399E16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:53:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BC143D5F; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:53:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 655F51CDBD; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:01:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:01:04 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Len Zettel Message-ID: <20041206180104.GP78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041206171630.GJ78078@freebsdmall.com> <200412061248.16595.zettel@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412061248.16595.zettel@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:53:47 -0000 On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 12:48:16PM +0000, Len Zettel wrote: > So I took a stab at creating an sgml file incorporating the changes > (by editing the existing file for the document in question). > When it came time create an html file from the sgml (so I > could check the work) I flunked out. The make couldn't > find some of the necessary boiler plate. Ok, then you either didn't have all the tools installed (the docproj port can help), or didn't have all stylesheets checked out from CVS/CVSup (the full 'doc' module), or temporarily something was broken. The last possibilty is not as likely as the first two. When you take another stab at it, please send out the relevant error messages, either to the list or to me personally, and I'll try to help you get it all sorted out. > Part of my ever-expanding "todo" list is to take another > stab at going from sgml to html. When I am happy > with that I will take another crack at a PR or two. > That likely won't be for a while yet. That would certainly be appreciated. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 18:05:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AC616A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212C443D5F; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:05:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 17F7D1CDB9; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:12:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:12:28 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041206181228.GQ78078@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:05:12 -0000 On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 11:42:54AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network > Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new > FreeBSD Networking Handbook? > > Probably in two parts. The first part is an introduction to networking, > IP and the like. This is where things like Yes, I like your proposal. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 18:26:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7866216A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:26:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248AE43D5E; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:26:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6IGJkU052102; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB6IGIjq088357; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:16:18 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB6IGI6N072999; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:16:18 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6IGHgO072998; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:16:17 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:16:17 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20041206181616.GC72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041128211444.GC6664@abigail.blackend.org> <20041202195739.GK753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202204948.GC78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041206172319.GK78078@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041206172319.GK78078@freebsdmall.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:26:24 -0000 --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:23:19AM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > DSSSL meets most of our needs now, but XSLT will allow us to have > better olink support at least. Considering the amount of work > involved, I'd personally want a pretty strong list of advantages and > some ideas for new applications that XSL would enable before doing the > work myself. I think step one needs to be to get the existing .sgml -> .xml infrastructure working again. It was certainly working when I committed it. I don't have a whole load of time to jump on that at the moment, so if someone else wants to dive in they should feel free. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtKHwk6gHZCw343URAhoqAJ9wi3v5BE7JImqSdEz+W6E+zbeY2gCfdReX Vpx7R37SgkwtPEVo9jjMCH0= =92HK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --A6N2fC+uXW/VQSAv-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 18:52:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B885316A4D5; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C34943D55; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:52:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2004120618523801400ehcbge>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:52:38 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: Murray Stokely Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:52:19 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <200412061248.16595.zettel@acm.org> <20041206180104.GP78078@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20041206180104.GP78078@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412061352.19779.zettel@acm.org> cc: Tom Rhodes cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 18:52:39 -0000 On Monday 06 December 2004 06:01 pm, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 12:48:16PM +0000, Len Zettel wrote: > > So I took a stab at creating an sgml file incorporating the changes > > (by editing the existing file for the document in question). > > When it came time create an html file from the sgml (so I > > could check the work) I flunked out. The make couldn't > > find some of the necessary boiler plate. > > Ok, then you either didn't have all the tools installed (the docproj > port can help), or didn't have all stylesheets checked out from > CVS/CVSup (the full 'doc' module), or temporarily something was > broken. The last possibilty is not as likely as the first two. > I did the docproj port. The problem probably was that when I started changing things I wanted to keep the original tree pristine, so I moved some (but not all) stuff. If you will excuse the criticism, this is a classic chicken-egg problem. I have been finding it very difficult to figure out the ins and outs of the make system from the existing documentation. It is undoubtedly all there and very clear once you know the system. Unfortunately, I have found using the existing docs to learn about the system to be a real bitch. Too much is missing about what all the parts are, how they work together, exactly what each part does (and doesn't), and where they are. This leaves one slavishly trying to copy existing recipes character for character and then wondering what to modify when they don't work as expected. But I haven't totally given up yet--- -LenZ- > When you take another stab at it, please send out the relevant error > messages, either to the list or to me personally, and I'll try to help > you get it all sorted out. > > > Part of my ever-expanding "todo" list is to take another > > stab at going from sgml to html. When I am happy > > with that I will take another crack at a PR or two. > > That likely won't be for a while yet. > > That would certainly be appreciated. > > - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:12:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A3716A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8177C43D6B; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6JCkCX016178; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:12:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB6JCjMK089025; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:45 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB6JCjVE074185; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:45 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6JCj3g074184; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:45 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:12:44 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Remko Lodder Message-ID: <20041206191243.GD72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> <41B425FB.5020601@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B425FB.5020601@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project cc: Murray Stokely cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: throdes@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefilebook.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:12:51 -0000 --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Remko, On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:27:23AM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote: > I feel a bit passed by by this commit :(. I was preparing a split of the > chapter as i mentioned on doc@. You even replied to that and still you > took this out of my hand without asking me or so. >=20 > Makes me feel a little sad. >=20 > So i would like to hear how we all can arrange that these things will > not happen again. With the best will in the world, I don't think occurences like this are things we're ever going to completely prevent, nor do I think that it's necessarily a good idea to. First, we're never going to completely prevent it: e-mail's a fallible=20 communication's medium. All it takes is someone to not see a message=20 posted, or to delete it (either inadvertently, or with over-active spam=20 filters). And people are fallible -- I know I don't always remember the=20 ins and outs of which committer's on holiday or unavailable for extended=20 periods of time. Second, this is a collaborative project. Once there's consensus that making a particular change is a good idea it doesn't really matter who makes the change, as long as there's appropriate attribution in commit messages (which Murray didn't do, I believe, and has offered to force-commit to note this). There have certainly been instances in the past where I've kicked off the discussion about something, to discover part way through that I've no longer got the time to do any of the actual work. But a consensus emerges from the discussion, and whoever has the time (and the inclination) does the actual changes and commits. Sometimes this means that work gets 'trodden on'. If committer A makes a 'surprise' change that invalidates a bunch of work committer B has been prepating to commit, it's common courtesy for A to offer to merge their work with the changes B has prepared. And that's happened in the past. Of course, none of this is set in stone. What do others think? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtK8rk6gHZCw343URAumIAJ4yvscAdlzyXcd8Fs6Zogaas+ZOlwCfYiae Rii1eJ3EoCbnjY1Brc2VtVU= =mnfV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:13:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BFA16A4D3 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:13:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809E143D46 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:13:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D91129542D for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:09:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40829-08 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:09:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B4AE74.7060709@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:09:40 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org References: <419E4747.6070001@FreeBSD.org> <419E510B.6020800@elvandar.org> <20041119203338.GF61766@seekingfire.com> <200411200335.56638.max@love2party.net> <20041120030001.GI61766@seekingfire.com> <20041122005112.GA73187@freebsdmall.com> <20041122144727.GY61766@seekingfire.com> <41A60664.5000603@elvandar.org> In-Reply-To: <41A60664.5000603@elvandar.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org Subject: Re: Proposal regarding security chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:13:23 -0000 Remko Lodder wrote: > I can live with the stuff above. I will consider on how to do it etc > while i am in Spain for the next 12 days. After that i will start > working on a seperated firewalls/chapter.sgml thingy and put > it into Network Services. > > That is, unless someone objects to it and we need to rethink stuff etc. > > Cya in 12 days :) > It got done. Thanks murray for the commit, we'd now have a better structured security and firewall section (and more easily to translate). Back to dutch translations now for me :-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:20:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C0916A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1924143D6A; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F6B29542D; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:20:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40829-15; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:20:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B4B0F4.7070407@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:20:20 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton References: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> <41B425FB.5020601@FreeBSD.org> <20041206191243.GD72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <20041206191243.GD72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: Murray Stokely cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: throdes@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbookMakefilebook.sgml chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:20:57 -0000 Nik Clayton wrote: Nik, > Remko, > > > With the best will in the world, I don't think occurences like this are > things we're ever going to completely prevent, nor do I think that it's > necessarily a good idea to. Well, i think that people can inform, i dont care about the credits or so, but i do care about the time that is lost when doing things double. Luckily i read the commit message by accident that saved me a hell lot of time and a hell lot of anger. > > First, we're never going to completely prevent it: e-mail's a fallible > communication's medium. All it takes is someone to not see a message > posted, or to delete it (either inadvertently, or with over-active spam > filters). And people are fallible -- I know I don't always remember the > ins and outs of which committer's on holiday or unavailable for extended > periods of time. At least you tried then, eventhough email is indeed failable. > > Second, this is a collaborative project. Once there's consensus that > making a particular change is a good idea it doesn't really matter who > makes the change, as long as there's appropriate attribution in commit > messages (which Murray didn't do, I believe, and has offered to > force-commit to note this). again i dont care about the credit. Informing is just a nice way of saying hey, stop waisting your time, i did it for you instead of just inserting the stuff. > > There have certainly been instances in the past where I've kicked off > the discussion about something, to discover part way through that I've > no longer got the time to do any of the actual work. But a consensus > emerges from the discussion, and whoever has the time (and the > inclination) does the actual changes and commits. Well i had the time and such but it got taken away. > > Sometimes this means that work gets 'trodden on'. If committer A makes > a 'surprise' change that invalidates a bunch of work committer B has > been prepating to commit, it's common courtesy for A to offer to merge > their work with the changes B has prepared. And that's happened in the > past. > > Of course, none of this is set in stone. What do others think? For me the problem is solved. I had spoken with Murray and others. I will just focus on the part that was the reason for bringing me into the doc team in the first place. The Dutch documentation. > > N -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:21:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112CC16A4E4; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:21:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A911A43D6A; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:21:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6JKJfZ027312; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:20:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB6JKJCJ089203; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:19 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB6JKJuO074212; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:19 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6JKILB074211; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:18 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:18 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:21:11 -0000 --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 01:28:59PM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: > >Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network > >Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new > >FreeBSD Networking Handbook? >=20 > What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally -= =20 > it fits with the rest of the book. Partly to move closer (as others have said) to having a collection of Handbooks. But mainly because I was glancing over the existing content and it struck me as odd that mail gets its own chapter while most of the other network services have to sit in together. So the natural thing to do is to give each network service its own chapter. Which would increase the size of the Handbook somewhat. So slicing them out in to a separate networking handbook could be appropriate. I also think that giving each service a 'standard' structure: Synopsis Terminology Client Server will lend some needed uniformity to the content, and make it easier for someone to start documenting additional services (IMAP? POP3? DAV? ...). While I think about it I'm beginning to think that Terminology ("Glossary"?) might make sense as a 'standard' in all the other chapters too, in the same way that Synopsis is. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtLDwk6gHZCw343URAgwiAJ93iGg+GfhkSEW2vx0mz7+2RjSe+gCgjeCB Kppgswugxxx57FzLNwZGh50= =rdKY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ycz6tD7Th1CMF4v7-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:25:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2569C16A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:25:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E11B43D68; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:25:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CbOUK-000Bx0-B0; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:25:36 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:25:36 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041206192536.GI513@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Nik Clayton , Remko Lodder , Murray Stokely , doc@FreeBSD.org, cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org, throdes@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, doc-committers@FreeBSD.org References: <200412050014.iB50EMgA007188@repoman.freebsd.org> <41B425FB.5020601@FreeBSD.org> <20041206191243.GD72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Hw0FrjWlp+qkNlJP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041206191243.GD72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Murray Stokely cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: throdes@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org cc: Remko Lodder cc: doc-committers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook Makefilebook.sgml chapters.ent doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls Makefile chapter.sgml X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:25:38 -0000 --Hw0FrjWlp+qkNlJP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 07:12:44PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Remko, >=20 > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 10:27:23AM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote: > > I feel a bit passed by by this commit :(. I was preparing a split of the > > chapter as i mentioned on doc@. You even replied to that and still you > > took this out of my hand without asking me or so. > >=20 > > Makes me feel a little sad. > >=20 > > So i would like to hear how we all can arrange that these things will > > not happen again. >=20 > With the best will in the world, I don't think occurences like this are > things we're ever going to completely prevent, nor do I think that it's > necessarily a good idea to. >=20 > First, we're never going to completely prevent it: e-mail's a fallible=20 > communication's medium. All it takes is someone to not see a message=20 > posted, or to delete it (either inadvertently, or with over-active spam= =20 > filters). And people are fallible -- I know I don't always remember the= =20 > ins and outs of which committer's on holiday or unavailable for extended= =20 > periods of time. >=20 > Second, this is a collaborative project. Once there's consensus that > making a particular change is a good idea it doesn't really matter who > makes the change, as long as there's appropriate attribution in commit > messages (which Murray didn't do, I believe, and has offered to > force-commit to note this). >=20 > There have certainly been instances in the past where I've kicked off > the discussion about something, to discover part way through that I've > no longer got the time to do any of the actual work. But a consensus > emerges from the discussion, and whoever has the time (and the > inclination) does the actual changes and commits. >=20 > Sometimes this means that work gets 'trodden on'. If committer A makes > a 'surprise' change that invalidates a bunch of work committer B has > been prepating to commit, it's common courtesy for A to offer to merge > their work with the changes B has prepared. And that's happened in the > past. >=20 > Of course, none of this is set in stone. What do others think? I agree with everything you said. It sucks, but it isn't the end of the world. If it's trodden on work that you had outstanding, then it's nice if committer A offers to help merge the changes. However, I also think that this is the kind of thing that your parents teach you, and we don't need rules for that here. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --Hw0FrjWlp+qkNlJP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtLIwocfcwTS3JF8RArIFAJ9Xv0AZ7e9ALoR0PVbItSdycHOCxwCeJZAx vmgo+inWDKYkXi20nexQf5M= =w4UP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Hw0FrjWlp+qkNlJP-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:26:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1A216A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:26:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (redqueen.elvandar.org [217.148.169.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2B143D55; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:26:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FABE295449; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:26:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.elvandar.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (redqueen.elvandar.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41205-18; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:26:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41B4B263.7060804@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:26:27 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> In-Reply-To: <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:26:22 -0000 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 01:28:59PM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > >>Nik Clayton wrote: >> >>>Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network >>>Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new >>>FreeBSD Networking Handbook? >> >>What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - >>it fits with the rest of the book. > > > Partly to move closer (as others have said) to having a collection of > Handbooks. But mainly because I was glancing over the existing content > and it struck me as odd that mail gets its own chapter while most of the > other network services have to sit in together. > > So the natural thing to do is to give each network service its own > chapter. Which would increase the size of the Handbook somewhat. So > slicing them out in to a separate networking handbook could be > appropriate. > > I also think that giving each service a 'standard' structure: > > Synopsis > Terminology > Client > Server > > will lend some needed uniformity to the content, and make it easier for > someone to start documenting additional services (IMAP? POP3? DAV? ...). > > While I think about it I'm beginning to think that Terminology > ("Glossary"?) might make sense as a 'standard' in all the other > chapters too, in the same way that Synopsis is. > > N I like the entire idea :-) The Dutch team will proudly follow translating the stuff when it's available :-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 19:58:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6243016A4CE; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:58:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC8743D72; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:58:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-100.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6JwQag089954 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:58:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:58:32 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041206145832.59e143d3@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:58:31 -0000 On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:20:18 +0000 Nik Clayton wrote: > On Sun, Dec 05, 2004 at 01:28:59PM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > > Nik Clayton wrote: > > >Anybody got any strong feelings about moving the existing "Network > > >Communication" out of the Handbook, and using it to seed a new > > >FreeBSD Networking Handbook? > > > > What's the reasoning behind it? I like it in the Handbook personally - > > it fits with the rest of the book. > > Partly to move closer (as others have said) to having a collection of > Handbooks. But mainly because I was glancing over the existing content > and it struck me as odd that mail gets its own chapter while most of the > other network services have to sit in together. > > So the natural thing to do is to give each network service its own > chapter. Which would increase the size of the Handbook somewhat. So > slicing them out in to a separate networking handbook could be > appropriate. > > I also think that giving each service a 'standard' structure: > > Synopsis > Terminology > Client > Server > > will lend some needed uniformity to the content, and make it easier for > someone to start documenting additional services (IMAP? POP3? DAV? ...). > > While I think about it I'm beginning to think that Terminology > ("Glossary"?) might make sense as a 'standard' in all the other > chapters too, in the same way that Synopsis is. This sounds like a good idea. It also shows how much documentation we actually have (and lack). -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 20:52:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEED16A4CF; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:52:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from b.mail.sonic.net (b.mail.sonic.net [64.142.19.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134DA43D5A; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:52:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dns.packetdesign.com [65.192.41.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by b.mail.sonic.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB6KqMI4021529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 12:52:22 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" To: "Simon L. Nielsen" In-Reply-To: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-w2iDmDIXqwZ34W0uhI8X" Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 12:51:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1102366264.86232.45.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port cc: bmah@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 20:52:23 -0000 --=-w2iDmDIXqwZ34W0uhI8X Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > - With SGML -> XML conversion we will loose the "IGNORE" > functionality from SGML, but it is not widely used, and where such > functionality is needed it can e.g. be handled in other ways. > This is used to be able to build sub directories in the Handbook, > but this has been broken for a while and nobody has complained > about that yet... Sorry for the late response...I was on vacation and even when I'm around I don't follow the lists as closely as I used to. I just wanted to mention that I seem to recall using IGNORE to handle aspects of the conditional text rendering for RELNOTESng (platform-specific details, as well as snapshot vs. release boilerplate text). If this is true, I'd dispute the "not widely used" comment above. No other comments on your proposal however. Cheers, Bruce. --=-w2iDmDIXqwZ34W0uhI8X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBtMY42MoxcVugUsMRAgFPAKDhx654vxEL96HSsvxqpST/4n0VrgCg/OKo X66WhDpqqJem4AHxORiAwuk= =sMhr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-w2iDmDIXqwZ34W0uhI8X-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 21:16:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6CE16A4CF; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (ns1.freebsdmall.com [69.50.233.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC6943D6A; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:16:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 53AB31CDA6; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:23:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:23:57 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041206212357.GE84191@freebsdmall.com> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:16:39 -0000 On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 07:20:18PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Partly to move closer (as others have said) to having a collection of > Handbooks. But mainly because I was glancing over the existing content Yes, we got consensus this summer to move out the system admin part into an administrator handbook, and I'd still support someone doing that at the same time as the network is moved out. It would be great if this was done in a transparent way... One thing we should think about is using link entities to allow the different chapters to be included in different books without breaking the build due to broken references. Currently, the single-chapter builds often fail because xrefs to other chapters can not be looked up. If we replaced all xrefs to other chapters with entities like: &link.chapter.sect; Then we could define that entity depending on the presence of the -i parameter entity for the given chapter file. If the chapter to be linked to is included in the build (and it's -i entity defined), then the is created. If it is not included in the build, then descriptive text is used instead 'The Blah Chapter in the Handbook'. In this way, we could more easily move chapters around between books without having to update all of the cross-chapter references. This would also allow us to easily maintain a full version of the Handbook that includes all of the chapters, in addition to the split off 'network handbook', 'admin handbook', etc. It's a stop-gap until we get proper olink support, basically. I explored a little of this work for the printed third edition, when we split it into two volumes, and it worked well for that purpose. We created a new links.ent file with the necessary parameters defined as I specified above. - Murray From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 21:50:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3580316A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:50:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.seekingfire.com (coyote.seekingfire.com [24.72.10.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB89E43D41 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 21:50:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tillman@seekingfire.com) Received: by mail.seekingfire.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 489D2B7; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:50:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:50:38 -0600 From: Tillman Hodgson To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041206215038.GM569@seekingfire.com> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041206212357.GE84191@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041206212357.GE84191@freebsdmall.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:50:39 -0000 On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 01:23:57PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > One thing we should think about is using link entities to allow the > different chapters to be included in different books without breaking > the build due to broken references. Currently, the single-chapter > builds often fail because xrefs to other chapters can not be looked > up. If we replaced all xrefs to other chapters with entities like: > > &link.chapter.sect; > > Then we could define that entity depending on the presence of the -i > parameter entity for the given chapter file. If the chapter to be > linked to is included in the build (and it's -i entity defined), then > the is created. If it is not included in the build, then > descriptive text is used instead 'The Blah Chapter in the Handbook'. Fixing single-chapter builds would be great. Alternatively, Tillman could get faster hardware. But since I'd much rather collect old hardware[1] than new hardware, that's not likely ;-) > In this way, we could more easily move chapters around between books > without having to update all of the cross-chapter references. If it's done in a one-by-one fashion that would be important. > This would also allow us to easily maintain a full version of the > Handbook that includes all of the chapters, in addition to the split > off 'network handbook', 'admin handbook', etc. It's a stop-gap until > we get proper olink support, basically. I like that. -T 1. http://www.seekingfire.com/projects/e3hardware/ -- If enlightenment is not where you are standing, where will you look? - Zen saying From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 22:22:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C835816A4CF for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:22:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE1543D60 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:22:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-100-2-61.dc.dc.cox.net [68.100.2.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB6MMIag090782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:22:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:22:24 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Tillman Hodgson Message-ID: <20041206172224.03a916cb@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041206215038.GM569@seekingfire.com> References: <20041205114254.GD23252@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <41B3617B.3080507@centtech.com> <20041206192017.GE72462@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041206212357.GE84191@freebsdmall.com> <20041206215038.GM569@seekingfire.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Time for a Network Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:22:20 -0000 On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:50:38 -0600 Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 01:23:57PM -0800, Murray Stokely wrote: > > One thing we should think about is using link entities to allow the > > different chapters to be included in different books without breaking > > the build due to broken references. Currently, the single-chapter > > builds often fail because xrefs to other chapters can not be looked > > up. If we replaced all xrefs to other chapters with entities like: > > > > &link.chapter.sect; > > > > Then we could define that entity depending on the presence of the -i > > parameter entity for the given chapter file. If the chapter to be > > linked to is included in the build (and it's -i entity defined), then > > the is created. If it is not included in the build, then > > descriptive text is used instead 'The Blah Chapter in the Handbook'. > > Fixing single-chapter builds would be great. I'm working on it. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 6 23:08:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122A016A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:08:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B662343D1F for ; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:08:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b178.otenet.gr [212.205.244.186]) iB6N8jXd031823; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:08:46 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB6N8aVa034301; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:08:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB6N8ZSB034294; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:08:35 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:08:35 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20041206230835.GE4076@gothmog.gr> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041202203441.GM753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202160251.269d9078@localhost> <20041206172846.GL78078@freebsdmall.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041206172846.GL78078@freebsdmall.com> cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:08:50 -0000 On 2004-12-06 09:28, Murray Stokely wrote: > It's recently been suggested that we add a section to the Primer about > not committing works in progress that are significantly beneath the > standards of the rest of our documentation set. Yes, please! I don't mean that as a malevolent comment directed towards any of my fellow Doc people. It sounds a good idea though. I would hate to see the quality of our docs diminish, just because we want to boast that we cover a lot more topics. The quality of the documentation set and the uperb collection of manual pages is something that makes me feel proud, little as my recent contributions have been. This very same quality is the major selling point that a lot of people have talked to me about. Phrases like: ``You FreeBSD people have a wonderful doc collection.'' ``The Handbook is awesome!'' ``I still can't believe I learned so much by reading these docs.'' are not uncommon among the people whom I have persuaded to give FreeBSD a try. Let us *keep* these high standards! - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 00:28:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1C316A4CF for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:28:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF7643D66 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:28:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ruben.kerkhof@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so282273rng for ; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:28:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:from:to:cc:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index:message-id; b=crhvzlz+rnaM9tpFdz6xoQXua0C8+BgT1Yrb+Ngzj9cddcWKPDyF7ULvQoRrfQHovV/cF53IIcOc+xk4f4pxscRUSTY6TYcbldZpmslp28gUVSdfc8G83M39TXnU+ltmNg/dCCeeV81FghC53zdLaf+pfr0ysjfDpZppUhV3ajQ= Received: by 10.38.6.75 with SMTP id 75mr789062rnf; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcruben ([62.45.243.126]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 79sm13611rna.2004.12.06.16.28.04; Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:28:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Ruben Kerkhof" To: "'Murray Stokely'" , "'Tom Rhodes'" Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:27:59 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> Thread-Index: AcTbu7jbAkwEx3TJRTmwUDpqlGAUnQANxAyA Message-ID: <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: 'Nik Clayton' cc: "'Simon L. Nielsen'" Subject: RE: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:28:11 -0000 > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org] Namens Murray Stokely > Verzonden: maandag 6 december 2004 18:55 > Aan: Tom Rhodes > CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Nik Clayton; Simon L. Nielsen > Onderwerp: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) > > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes, > > Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a > > task, Commit completed work after some minor/major review, > As one task > > is completed another is grabbed up. > > Thanks for pointing out to me the page : > > http://wiki.daemon.li/index.pl?DocIdeaList > > We should probably link to that from the current.sgml file. > > There are a few nice todo lists items there. > > Here are some others I recently added to the current projects > page that I'd love for people to help out with : > > 1. Improve Handbook Index > 2. Modernize website with CSS --Snip I did some work on point 2. You can see the results on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.htm and the stylesheet on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.css The site is almost completely table-free (except for the images at the bottom) and works fine in Firefox and IE 6.0 (haven't checked them in other browsers). The css is not as structured as I wish it was, but I stripped all the font-tags and other ugly syntax. My goal was to make it look like the current freebsd-site, maybe someone else is willing to whip up something more modern by modifying the stylesheet. Kind regards, Ruben Kerkhof ruben.kerkhof@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 00:35:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5024016A4CF; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FB243D55; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:35:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-100-2-61.dc.dc.cox.net [68.100.2.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB70Wfag091494 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:32:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 19:32:47 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: "Ruben Kerkhof" Message-ID: <20041206193247.2c358fcc@localhost> In-Reply-To: <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> References: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: 'Nik Clayton' cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: 'Murray Stokely' cc: "'Simon L. Nielsen'" Subject: Re: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:35:14 -0000 On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:27:59 +0100 "Ruben Kerkhof" wrote: > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org] Namens Murray Stokely > > Verzonden: maandag 6 december 2004 18:55 > > Aan: Tom Rhodes > > CC: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Nik Clayton; Simon L. Nielsen > > Onderwerp: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) > > > > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 04:57:04PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > Post a list of tasks of mixed sizes, > > > Request people (people, not committers not contributors) to grab a > > > task, Commit completed work after some minor/major review, > > As one task > > > is completed another is grabbed up. > > > > Thanks for pointing out to me the page : > > > > http://wiki.daemon.li/index.pl?DocIdeaList > > > > We should probably link to that from the current.sgml file. > > > > There are a few nice todo lists items there. > > > > Here are some others I recently added to the current projects > > page that I'd love for people to help out with : > > > > 1. Improve Handbook Index > > 2. Modernize website with CSS > > > --Snip > > > I did some work on point 2. You can see the results on > http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.htm > and the stylesheet on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.css > The site is almost completely table-free (except for the images at the > bottom) and works fine in Firefox > and IE 6.0 (haven't checked them in other browsers). The css is not as > structured as I wish it was, but I stripped > all the font-tags and other ugly syntax. My goal was to make it look like > the current freebsd-site, maybe someone else > is willing to whip up something more modern by modifying the stylesheet. This actually looks nice, while I agree on the structure comment (the right bar looks too big in Mozilla) but it's definitely a great start! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 00:56:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E12C16A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:56:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.aegisnet.de (a.mx.aegisnet.de [213.238.36.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4B043D41 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:56:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (qmail 39598 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de) ([80.171.73.30]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Dec 2004 00:56:34 -0000 Received: from galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB70u9Va001626 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:56:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (from czimmer@localhost)iB70u3sM001625 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:56:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) X-Authentication-Warning: galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de: czimmer set sender to cz@aegisnet.biz using -f Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:55:59 +0100 From: Carsten Zimmermann To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20041207005559.GC1224@galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 00:56:14 -0000 --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:2759AM +0100 schrieb Ruben Kerkhof: > [snip] maybe someone else is willing to whip up something=20 > more modern by modifying the stylesheet. I would definately agree on this - I bet there's some guys at=20 -advocacy who would embrace a more modern website. To my mind, a modern website would be the key to attract folks/companies in the way as FreeBSD being a "serious" operating system, not just a leisure time=20 project (which it mostly is, though ;) - but this doesn't=20 necessarily mean that the output is bad, which it obviously isn't ...) Carsten --=20 Carsten Zimmermann mailto:cz@aegisnet.biz Tel.: +49-(0)40-98760543 Aegis:Net IT-Dienstleistungen Postfach 620371 22403 Hamburg http://www.aegisnet.biz Info: +49-(0)700-AEGISNET Fax: +49-(0)40-98760547 --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtP+fucbzqiAxJVkRAqhfAKD4kn6TlzasiOlSirrueRU2vkWiWACg1GBB ZKOr4cszaBU/AH5BtaEqs5A= =M0ST -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i7F3eY7HS/tUJxUd-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 01:09:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04ABC16A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from a.mx.aegisnet.de (a.mx.aegisnet.de [213.238.36.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5A343D1F for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 01:09:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (qmail 39862 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2004 01:09:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de) ([80.171.73.30]) (envelope-sender )encrypted SMTP for ; 7 Dec 2004 01:09:46 -0000 Received: from galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB719OVa001667 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:09:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) Received: (from czimmer@localhost)iB719OP7001666 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:09:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cz@aegisnet.biz) X-Authentication-Warning: galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de: czimmer set sender to cz@aegisnet.biz using -f Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 02:09:24 +0100 From: Carsten Zimmermann To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041207010924.GD1224@galadriel.bbk.hh.aegisnet.de> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <41B4300A.2050206@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B4300A.2050206@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: making answers on questions more easily to lookup X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 01:09:26 -0000 Hello Remko - while your idea sounds like being the cure for hideous google walkabouts in search for the missing follow-up in xy's mailinglist archive, I don't think it's practical managable. Problem is, threads are rarely declared `closed'. Potientially, there's always a new post waiting aroung the corner, messing up the summary. Besides: to whom should it be to post the summary? I think everyone who uses forums and mailinglists frequently knows about how good it is to share one's solution once he/she got it done the right way. But in contrast, there are many who subcribe to mailinglists only if there's an urgent issue (I used to be one of them...). I don't think you can make them sum up the thread they initiated. And it's way too much work for moderators (if any!) to do the job. Nevertheless, it would be great - that's right. Do you have any special mechanism in mind? Carsten Am Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:1018AM +0100 schrieb Remko Lodder: > Hi, > > I read an email from Mark Linimon today state-ing that there > are perhaps searches on the site that give back 20 results and > where only one or tweo answers are provided. > I also follow the sunmanagers mailinglist for my employer and it > seems to me that they do a good job in posting a Summery to the > list where one could easily find the answer. > > Although the sunmanager list is a bit different for only > having questions (one) and a summery, we perhaps can > introduce it to some lists. > > Subject: I have a SATA harddisk, is number> supported? > Subject: re: I have a Sata (etc) > Subject: Summary: I have a SATA harddisk (etc) > > where the last post has the information that someone requires > when having the same question. > > Do we think that is possible? or any ideas? > (It was just a thought that popped up). > > -- > Kind regards, > > Remko Lodder > FreeBSD (Dutch) Documentation Team > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-doc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-doc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-doc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Carsten Zimmermann mailto:cz@aegisnet.biz Tel.: +49-(0)40-98760543 Aegis:Net IT-Dienstleistungen Postfach 620371 22403 Hamburg http://www.aegisnet.biz Info: +49-(0)700-AEGISNET Fax: +49-(0)40-98760547 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 18:51:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0242816A4CE; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:51:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C612143D5C; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:51:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hmp@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (hmp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7IpSaP089833; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:51:28 GMT (envelope-from hmp@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from hmp@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB7IpS0t089829; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:51:28 GMT (envelope-from hmp) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:51:28 GMT From: Hiten Pandya Message-Id: <200412071851.iB7IpS0t089829@freefall.freebsd.org> To: inter@o12a.com, hmp@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/69968: minor clarification in mac glossary X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 18:51:29 -0000 Synopsis: minor clarification in mac glossary State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: hmp State-Changed-When: Tue Dec 7 18:50:44 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Clarification change committed. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=69968 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 22:33:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23ECC16A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:33:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5168943D1D for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:33:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB7MXufO047013 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB7MIBx7050474 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:18:11 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB7MIA8o031896 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:18:11 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB7MIAnc031895 for doc@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:18:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:18:10 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="RIYY1s2vRbPFwWeW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Subject: Testing the build infrastructure X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:33:59 -0000 --RIYY1s2vRbPFwWeW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, Given the comments that have been bandied about recently relating to breakage of various parts of the build infrastructure, and functionality that used to work no longer working, I'd like to make some concrete progress towards fixing things. To my mind, step 1 is describing, given a particular set of inputs (probably arguments given to make(1)), what we expect the output to be. This means we need to write some tests. Automated tests. The kinds of tests that can get run automatically every 24 hours or so, to rapidly pin-point any commits that have caused a regressions in build functionality. Thinking out loud for the moment, I think we need=20 doc/regression/{articles, books}/ Below each one of those directories we have one or more subdirectories, one for each type of document that we're testing. Each document has all the usual content that we would normally provide. DocBook markup, images, use of marked sections, a Makefile, and so on. In addition, we create multiple test files. By convention, these will have a .t extension, and follow the protocol described in src/tools/regression/README. Each .t file implements one or more logically related tests. Each test can be quite simple (there's no such thing as a useless test) or complex as necessary. For example, we might have a test file that makes sure that the HTML format works. #!/bin/sh # Test: Make sure that FORMATS=3Dhtml-split is understood test=3D"\"html-split\" is a valid format" make -V ALL_FORMATS | xargs -n 1 echo | grep '^html-split$' if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo "ok 1 - $test" else echo "not ok 1 - $test" fi # Test: Does 'make FORMATS=3Dhtml-split' complete, and produce=20 # sensible output test=3D"make FORMATS=3Dhtml-split" make FORMATS=3Dhtml-split if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then echo "ok 2 - $test" else echo "not ok 2 - $test" fi test=3D"Generated .html file exists" if [ -e index.html ]; then echo "ok 3 - $test" else echo "not ok 3 - $test" fi test=3D"and it's a sensible size" if [ -s index.html ]; then echo "ok 4 - $test" else echo "not ok 4 - $test" fi =2E.. and so on -- additional tests to verify the DOCTYPE, that all the internal links work, that sort of thing. There should be tests to make sure that things like building with a r/o doc/ tree works, and so forth. Thoughts? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --RIYY1s2vRbPFwWeW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBtiwhk6gHZCw343URArzxAJ4vt94kh+JPM8MOlieLaKE0WBkxgACfV4q4 husspZUos6taJVb86V7AvJ4= =T7Ry -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RIYY1s2vRbPFwWeW-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 22:54:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825EC16A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:54:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rocksteady.bowdoin.edu (rocksteady.bowdoin.edu [139.140.34.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356A43D45 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 22:54:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alec@thened.net) Received: by rocksteady.bowdoin.edu (Postfix, from userid 12008) id A31D7A330; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:54:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:54:18 -0500 From: Alec Berryman To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20041207225418.GA30467@thened.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline X-Ned-Wuz-Here: Yes X-GPG-Fingerprint: 3DB5 8785 53D9 8BF4 5049 B6B9 02E7 7FD9 881C 85C4 X-GPG-Key: http://www.thened.net/~alec/static/alec.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf contains broken CXXFLAGS X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 22:54:19 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi doc team, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=docs/71359 from September documents a serious error in /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf from RELENG_5 - the CXXFLAGS do not work with 5.x. Only knowing a little about C++, I blindly copied the recommended CXXFLAGS while constructing a make.conf and subsequently had a bit of trouble tracking down the cause of the error. It doesn't look like the report has been touched in months. The fix is a one-liner - take out the broken CXXFLAGS mentioned in the report. It'd be great if that were fixed or at least put back on someone's radar. Thanks for your time! --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFBtjSaAud/2YgchcQRAkmdAJ9lPrBuC54kwn6nynyaASeGeub7vgCeIYIX lVKRmnFu8u1RtNXfWVW/zbs= =uPqA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 7 23:01:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC8916A4CE; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:01:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (cardassian.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.45.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C91343D60; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:01:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ruben.kerkhof@caiway.nl) Received: from pcruben (cn-nawij-cb01-0893.dial.kabelfoon.nl [62.45.243.126]) by cardassian.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778DBC6100; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:01:54 +0100 (CET) From: "Ruben Kerkhof" To: "'Tom Rhodes'" , "'Ruben Kerkhof'" Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 00:01:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20041206193247.2c358fcc@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTb9KM2YfBnqAwVRzup30unFz8w3AAushsA Message-Id: <20041207230154.778DBC6100@cardassian.kabelfoon.nl> cc: 'Murray Stokely' cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: 'Nik Clayton' cc: "'Simon L. Nielsen'" Subject: RE: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 23:01:56 -0000 > > --Snip > > > > > > I did some work on point 2. You can see the results on > > http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.htm > > and the stylesheet on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.css > > The site is almost completely table-free (except for the > images at the > > bottom) and works fine in Firefox > > and IE 6.0 (haven't checked them in other browsers). The > css is not as > > structured as I wish it was, but I stripped all the font-tags and > > other ugly syntax. My goal was to make it look like the current > > freebsd-site, maybe someone else is willing to whip up > something more > > modern by modifying the stylesheet. > > This actually looks nice, while I agree on the structure > comment (the right bar looks too big in Mozilla) but it's > definitely a great start! > > > -- > Tom Rhodes > _______________________________________________ I modified the design of the above mentioned site a little this afternoon. The stylesheet now looks decent in Mozilla, and I stripped all the absolute fixed-width columns, so it should work on all resolutions and font-sizes. I'm trying to find out how the html gets generated from the cvs-repository, and if it's very hard to create a patch, but I'm very new to this kind of stuff. I'll try to make a couple of modern designs further this week, just by modifying the css. Maybe there are more people who want to give it a try? I think it's nice to make a few designs (just like http://www.csszengarden.com), then it's much easier to pick the good things out and drop the bad things. By the way, I don't now how it shows up in Lynx :-) Regards, Ruben Kerkhof From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 01:21:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87FA16A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:21:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4A043D1F for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:21:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beowuff@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so420699rng for ; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rpj6MlJESiK/SdpXm9wiWnAP+CPYBxGU0tGFCbNwEvH5p5vuQhDkn2bkFh03GNrkjMgRHrlVFyALjBzIndjqg4H3wkFTNLGOPcemGuzlsC67xYZKPYmVAZnBAkMJO998uTwPoCIHlKf0BsiXORnqULmdHX+KE6rQJgy6ucr3Img= Received: by 10.38.68.47 with SMTP id q47mr166367rna; Tue, 07 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.71 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 From: beowuff To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Typo in Developers Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: beowuff List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:21:49 -0000 Found a small typo in the developers-handbook. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/tools-compiling.html Section 2.4 -llibrary Specify a function library to be used during when linking. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 01:29:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7A016A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:29:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5E743D48 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 01:29:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (ip68-100-2-61.dc.dc.cox.net [68.100.2.61]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB81Tiag001617 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:29:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:29:51 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: beowuff Message-ID: <20041207202951.7913d5e5@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Typo in Developers Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 01:29:46 -0000 On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 beowuff wrote: > Found a small typo in the developers-handbook. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/tools-compiling.html > > Section 2.4 > > > -llibrary > > Specify a function library to be used during when linking. > > This isn't a typo. You specify -l to inform cc(1) that you are working with a library. It takes the form of -l. Thanks though. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 13:28:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE9216A4CE; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:28:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7DB43D66; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 13:28:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iB8DSfiu012760; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:28:41 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iB8DSge4012571; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:28:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iB8DSfjw012570; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:28:41 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:28:41 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Ruben Kerkhof Message-ID: <20041208132841.GA8063@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> cc: 'Tom Rhodes' cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org cc: 'Murray Stokely' cc: 'Nik Clayton' cc: "'Simon L. Nielsen'" Subject: Re: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 13:28:47 -0000 On 2004-12-07 01:27, Ruben Kerkhof wrote: >> There are a few nice todo lists items there. >> >> Here are some others I recently added to the current projects page >> that I'd love for people to help out with : >> >> 1. Improve Handbook Index >> 2. Modernize website with CSS > > I did some work on point 2. You can see the results on > http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.htm > and the stylesheet on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.css That's nice! Apart from a few minor glitches like this: .columns-float { float: left; width: 80%; } which end up displaying text that 'crosses' the border of the column. > The site is almost completely table-free (except for the images at the > bottom) and works fine in Firefox and IE 6.0 (haven't checked them in > other browsers). Tables are not always teh Evil Spawn of Hell(TM). There are certain sites out there that advocate a completely table-free design style. Many valid points are made, as long as one is willing to get rid of all the browsers that do not support CSS. I am not exactly thrilled at the idea of a table-free site that avoids the use of tables to appeal to the aggressively progressive Web Powers That Be. There are still people who like browsing sites with a text-only browser (elinks, w3m, you name it). These browsers do not support CSS. I don't think they ever will. By avoiding tables like the plague, we put ourselves in the bad position of dropping any chance of reasonably displaying aligned material in these browsers. Is that what we want? In my weblog, I used a very simple table for the outline of the page and CSS for everything else. Let's not overestimate the advantages of a CSS-only layout. 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Your message was sent with the following envelope: MAIL FROM: doc@freebsd.org RCPT TO: fault@qxtelecom.co.uk ... and with the following headers: --- MAILFROM: doc@freebsd.org Received: from unknown (HELO qxtelecom.co.uk) (217.207.229.204) by mailsrv34.rb1.uk.sdhost.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2004 18:33:02 +0000 From: doc@freebsd.org To: fault@qxtelecom.co.uk Subject: Re: Question Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:30:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal --- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 18:40:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB12416A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:40:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CA543D46 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:40:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB8IeOaJ086786 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB8IeOYT086785; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:40:24 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:40:24 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412081840.iB8IeOYT086785@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17F716A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:39:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A8043D5A for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:39:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BAEDC38024; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BCE37EA8 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from dude.automatvapen.se (t9o55p109.telia.com [81.225.221.109]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B52E237E45 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:46 +0100 (CET) Received: by dude.automatvapen.se (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:57 +0100 Message-Id: <20041208183946.B52E237E45@smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:39:57 +0100 From: "Joel Dahl" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:40:24 -0000 >Number: 74862 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] update tuning(7) man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Dec 08 18:40:24 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Sat Nov 13 19:50:36 CET 2004 joel@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WRK i386 >Description: (1) Remove reference to IDE_DELAY. I'm not sure that my memory is correct, but I think that it was removed a long time ago, so I don't see any point in keeping it here. (2) Reword things a bit since SCSI_DELAY defaults to 5000 milliseconds in CURRENT, not 15000. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- tuning.diff begins here --- Index: tuning.7 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man7/tuning.7,v retrieving revision 1.69 diff -u -r1.69 tuning.7 --- tuning.7 16 Nov 2004 21:22:09 -0000 1.69 +++ tuning.7 8 Dec 2004 18:03:44 -0000 @@ -814,17 +814,12 @@ by a megabyte or more, leaving more memory available for applications. .Pp .Dv SCSI_DELAY -and -.Dv IDE_DELAY may be used to reduce system boot times. The defaults are fairly high and -can be responsible for 15+ seconds of delay in the boot process. +can be responsible for 5+ seconds of delay in the boot process. Reducing .Dv SCSI_DELAY -to 5 seconds usually works (especially with modern drives). -Reducing -.Dv IDE_DELAY -also works but you have to be a little more careful. +to something below 5 seconds could work (especially with modern drives). .Pp There are a number of .Dv *_CPU --- tuning.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 8 19:52:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEA716A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:52:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7B643D31 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:52:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hexa@bsdmail.org) Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180])2974C18002B3 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:52:52 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.132) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Dec 2004 19:52:28 -0000 Received: by ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 11150416118; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:52:28 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [84.120.71.46] by ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com with http for hexa@bsdmail.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:52:27 +0800 From: "hex mail" To: doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:52:27 +0800 X-Originating-Ip: 84.120.71.46 X-Originating-Server: ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20041208195228.11150416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:52:52 -0000 I finish to read now the the articles about FBSD who i find in the FTP.Soo = , let's go at the subject . Well , i will be verry happy to can help you wi= th writiin your texts in spanish and romanian . I know the both languages. = And i have a lil' free time to do that. Well , i'm waitin your message. Tha= nk You. --=20 _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mymail.bsdmail.com Powered by Outblaze From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 00:34:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F1316A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:34:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62E843D5D for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:34:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CcCGT-0009Zp-VN; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:34:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:34:37 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Tillman Hodgson Message-ID: <20041209003437.GA513@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Tillman Hodgson , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202221228.GG78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041203123606.100fa863@localhost> <200412031329.34102.zettel@acm.org> <20041203165704.400243a3@localhost> <20041204195002.GZ569@seekingfire.com> <20041204195510.GF778@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041204200744.GA569@seekingfire.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="evOcBaiMpN7OEvsd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041204200744.GA569@seekingfire.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:34:39 -0000 --evOcBaiMpN7OEvsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 02:07:44PM -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 04, 2004 at 08:55:11PM +0100, Simon L. Nielsen wrote: > > On 2004.12.04 13:50:02 -0600, Tillman Hodgson wrote: > >=20 > > > An idea that I've been mulling: The cvs-src summary that's posted > > > occasionally to the -current mailing list might be worth emulating. No > > > need to explicitly manage a MAINTAINERS file or anything if, once a w= eek > > > or so, a volunteer could post summary of who's been working on what a= nd > > > what the mailing list has been talking about. This has more of a "hum= an > > > sounding voice" to it and doesn't go "stale" (it only covers the last > > > week or so). It would also be useful for folks interested in what the > > > doc folks do, and would help with the advertising item. > >=20 > > Yes, somebody(tm) should do that... :-). Of course there is the > > little problem with defining who sombody is... >=20 > If it develops that there's enough of a censensus that it's a good idea, > I'll talk to the cvs-src summary guy and see what sort of tools he has > to ease the effort required and consider doing it for cvs-doc. He's already offered to do it, but doesn't subscribe to the list or understand what we do (or something - check the archives), and wanted some help with summaries. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --evOcBaiMpN7OEvsd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBt52docfcwTS3JF8RAsPBAKDCGSPKq30W5/CsZfdScqsYafL19wCffoPy AmBGzkiyj6VOEGE+wZ8KGFc= =Mzrv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --evOcBaiMpN7OEvsd-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 00:36:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9B716A4CE; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:36:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9BD243D54; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:36:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CcCIA-0009bg-8f; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:36:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 00:36:22 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Ruben Kerkhof Message-ID: <20041209003622.GB513@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Ruben Kerkhof , 'Murray Stokely' , 'Tom Rhodes' , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, 'Nik Clayton' , "'Simon L. Nielsen'" References: <20041206175458.GN78078@freebsdmall.com> <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lo/yIdJSCXpBJBdU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41b4f915.4bf398b8.7408.01f0@smtp.gmail.com> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: 'Tom Rhodes' cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: 'Murray Stokely' cc: "'Simon L. Nielsen'" cc: 'Nik Clayton' Subject: Re: Projects List (was Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 00:36:25 -0000 --lo/yIdJSCXpBJBdU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 07, 2004 at 01:27:59AM +0100, Ruben Kerkhof wrote: > > 2. Modernize website with CSS >=20 > I did some work on point 2. You can see the results on > http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.htm > and the stylesheet on http://www.eyp.nl/freebsd/freebsd.css > The site is almost completely table-free (except for the images at the > bottom) and works fine in Firefox > and IE 6.0 (haven't checked them in other browsers). http://www.corecss.com/properties/full-chart.php might be useful. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --lo/yIdJSCXpBJBdU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBt54GocfcwTS3JF8RApe0AJ9zPFra9iXq7nVx13Q6hMtlrLeIJgCgv6zY XbIjeJ0G6HTUt+hMLhY4+J8= =q/Zr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lo/yIdJSCXpBJBdU-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 02:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABAF16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:00:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AB843D45 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:00:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB920lb6045089 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:00:47 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB920l8q045088; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:00:47 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 02:00:47 GMT Message-Id: <200412090200.iB920l8q045088@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Giorgos Keramidas List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 02:00:48 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/74862; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Joel Dahl Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:54:43 +0200 On 2004-12-08 19:39, Joel Dahl wrote: > (1) Remove reference to IDE_DELAY. I'm not sure that my memory is > correct, but I think that it was removed a long time ago, so I > don't see any point in keeping it here. IDE_DELAY is still used by the wd(4) driver of PC98. Conditional inclusion of text in manpages is not possible AFAIK, so we could probably reword that part a bit to make it more obvious that it only applies to PC98. > (2) Reword things a bit since SCSI_DELAY defaults to 5000 milliseconds > in CURRENT, not 15000. This part looks good. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 03:33:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C767116A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (fed1rmmtao11.cox.net [68.230.241.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BC043D41 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:33:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcamou@opensea.malexa.org.mx) Received: from opensea.malexa.org.mx ([68.0.135.88]) by fed1rmmtao11.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP <20041209033308.ILK10714.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@opensea.malexa.org.mx>; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:33:08 -0500 Received: from opensea.malexa.org.mx (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by opensea.malexa.org.mx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB93Z1Yk032071; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:35:02 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jcamou@opensea.malexa.org.mx) Received: (from jcamou@localhost) by opensea.malexa.org.mx (8.13.1/8.12.11/Submit) id iB93Z1YT032070; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:35:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jcamou) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:35:00 -0700 From: "Jesus R. Camou" To: Ceri Davies Message-ID: <20041209033500.GB32005@opensea> References: <20041209002903.GZ513@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041209002903.GZ513@submonkey.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Translations and the gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:33:08 -0000 On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 12:29:03AM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > Is anyone willing to update the Spanish and Russian applications.sgml so > that we can get rid of gallery.cgi? I'm working on the Spanish one. -- Jesus R. Camou jcamou@es.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 06:22:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF7716A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:22:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6C943D46 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:22:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from beowuff@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so578098rng for ; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:22:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=SSUHeaflfC/4s74dIjCiRSEuK8A24HCrPCsYdHs9agSq+Xc08Gr1mmugTET44Cs+w0mAwObQgMg6fpQPx24xYMQdJ5M9Trd7Jyas7jH6a6Lc9/muPnc8O1COD0RNrq4PolQNb5e0M3qGuBRNWG+tlXf59fopL67uKHO0xeVSpYI= Received: by 10.38.76.13 with SMTP id y13mr290201rna; Wed, 08 Dec 2004 22:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.24.71 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:22:28 -0800 From: beowuff To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041207202951.7913d5e5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041207202951.7913d5e5@localhost> Subject: Re: Typo in Developers Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: beowuff List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 06:22:29 -0000 On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:29:51 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 > > > beowuff wrote: > > > Found a small typo in the developers-handbook. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/tools-compiling.html > > > > Section 2.4 > > > > > > -llibrary > > > > Specify a function library to be used during when linking. > > > > > > This isn't a typo. > > You specify -l to inform cc(1) that you are working with a > library. It takes the form of -l. Shouldn't this be "Specify a function library to be used when linking." ? or "Specify a function library to be used during linking." ? Or am I being to nit picky? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 09:39:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E70316A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:39:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao04.cox.net (lakermmtao04.cox.net [68.230.240.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07AD843D39 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:39:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djkvist@cox.net) Received: from alpha ([68.14.34.128]) by lakermmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20041209093913.XBLQ4233.lakermmtao04.cox.net@alpha> for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 04:39:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c4ddd2$f16d4f80$d100a8c0@alpha> From: "David" To: Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:39:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD 4.10 + BIND 8.3.7 + webmin 1.70 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:39:15 -0000 Hello, I recently applied your "chrootjail / sandbox" for my DNS server as per = your document = http://docs.mandragor.org/files/Operating_systems/BSDs/FreeBSD_Handbook/d= ns.html . I currently having issues when it comes to using Webmin and your method = for locking down BIND. =20 First, it was tricky trying to get webmin to even notice that named was = running but I solved that. My issue is getting it apply changes to = named.conf file. Also, can you explain what the named.localhost file is? If you know of any guides for get webmin to run clean with your = particular method of "jailing" BIND can you please forward me the links. Thnx David From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 10:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE1E16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:33:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.lysator.liu.se (mail.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBA643D69 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:33:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from celeborn@lysator.liu.se) Received: by mail.lysator.liu.se (Postfix, from userid 428) id C3BD5162B41; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:33:32 +0100 (MET) To: doc@freebsd.org References: <20041209103321.6D071190E13@mail.lysator.liu.se> In-Reply-To: <20041209103321.6D071190E13@mail.lysator.liu.se> Precedence: junk (autoreply) X-Loop: celeborn@lysator.liu.se Message-Id: <20041209103332.C3BD5162B41@mail.lysator.liu.se> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:33:32 +0100 (MET) From: celeborn@lysator.liu.se (Thomas Abrahamsson) Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 10:33:34 -0000 -- Important: Sorry, Your email was deleted and never read -- Hi there. Sorry, I do no longer accept any emails to "celeborn@lysator.liu.se" due to the overwhelming number of unsolicited emails ("SPAM") to that account. I got roughly spams 700 a month *after* the anti-spam filters had done their good job, meaning easily over 1500 spam emails in 30 days! I have had the celeborn address since 1992, so it's a little bit sad to close it down like this, but that seems to be the only solution. OK, To contact me in the future, replace "celeborn" in my email address with "thomas", and it will work again. Thank you. // Thomas From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 11:00:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6657716A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:00:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26F143D45 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:00:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30522013 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:00:03 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:59:55 +0300 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041008 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000309050001080706020907" Subject: Handbook (ports) portupgrade -PP X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:00:12 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000309050001080706020907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! Please, look at patch atached and note me if some grammar errors found. Thanks! --------------000309050001080706020907 Content-Type: text/plain; name="portupgrade-pp.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="portupgrade-pp.diff" Index: ports/chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.229 diff -u -r1.229 chapter.sgml --- ports/chapter.sgml 29 Nov 2004 21:43:37 -0000 1.229 +++ ports/chapter.sgml 9 Dec 2004 10:49:57 -0000 @@ -1163,10 +1163,19 @@ portupgrade should act on all those packages depending on the given package as well, and to act on all packages required by - the given packages. - To use packages instead of ports for installation, provide - and to just fetch distfiles without - building or installing anything, use . + the given packages. + + To use packages instead of ports for installation, provide + . With this option + portupgrade searches + the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetch packages + from remote site if it is not found locally. If + packages can not be fetched remotely, + portupgrade will use ports. + To avoid using ports, specify . + + To just fetch distfiles (or packages, if -P is specified) + without building or installing anything, use . For further information see &man.portupgrade.1;. --------------000309050001080706020907-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 11:09:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E462F16A4CE; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:09:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D932243D4C; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:08:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB9B6Jkh060205; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:06:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB9B6JqH060204; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:06:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:06:18 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Denis Peplin Message-ID: <20041209110618.GA59657@abigail.blackend.org> References: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook (ports) portupgrade -PP X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:09:01 -0000 On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 01:59:55PM +0300, Denis Peplin wrote: > Hello! > > Please, look at patch atached and note me if > some grammar errors found. > > Thanks! > Index: ports/chapter.sgml > =================================================================== > RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports/chapter.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.229 > diff -u -r1.229 chapter.sgml > --- ports/chapter.sgml 29 Nov 2004 21:43:37 -0000 1.229 > +++ ports/chapter.sgml 9 Dec 2004 10:49:57 -0000 > @@ -1163,10 +1163,19 @@ > portupgrade should act on all > those packages depending on the given package as well, and > to act on all packages required by > - the given packages. > - To use packages instead of ports for installation, provide > - and to just fetch distfiles without > - building or installing anything, use . > + the given packages. > + > + To use packages instead of ports for installation, provide > + . With this option > + portupgrade searches > + the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetch packages PKG_PATH > + from remote site if it is not found locally. If > + packages can not be fetched remotely, > + portupgrade will use ports. > + To avoid using ports, specify . > + > + To just fetch distfiles (or packages, if -P is specified) > + without building or installing anything, use . > For further information see &man.portupgrade.1;. > > Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 11:14:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0816416A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:14:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D5643D2F for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:14:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CcMFo-000DhN-Cw; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:14:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:14:36 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: "Jesus R. Camou" Message-ID: <20041209111436.GD513@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , "Jesus R. Camou" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org References: <20041209002903.GZ513@submonkey.net> <20041209033500.GB32005@opensea> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Or8LRHETumScJgaM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041209033500.GB32005@opensea> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Translations and the gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:14:38 -0000 --Or8LRHETumScJgaM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 08, 2004 at 08:35:00PM -0700, Jesus R. Camou wrote: > On Thu, Dec 09, 2004 at 12:29:03AM +0000, Ceri Davies wrote: > > Is anyone willing to update the Spanish and Russian applications.sgml so > > that we can get rid of gallery.cgi? >=20 > I'm working on the Spanish one. Thanks to yourself and Denis! Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --Or8LRHETumScJgaM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBuDOcocfcwTS3JF8RAkJ9AKCZqZN9tgVyxfNAh1RPN+IpL0N20gCgsZ7d OcYzGtne6SbKfrfOfJr6xi0= =+CEM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Or8LRHETumScJgaM-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 11:47:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B7C16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:47:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2B43D2F for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:47:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])iB9BlrEW010250; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:53 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) iB9Bluw5005361; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)iB9Blu7V005360; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:56 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:56 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: beowuff Message-ID: <20041209114756.GA4933@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041207202951.7913d5e5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Typo in Developers Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:47:57 -0000 On 2004-12-08 22:22, beowuff wrote: >On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:29:51 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: >>On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 beowuff wrote: >>> Found a small typo in the developers-handbook. >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/tools-compiling.html >>> >>> Section 2.4 >>> >>> >>> -llibrary >>> >>> Specify a function library to be used during when linking. >>> >>> >> >> This isn't a typo. >> >> You specify -l to inform cc(1) that you are working with a >> library. It takes the form of -l. > > Shouldn't this be "Specify a function library to be used when linking." ? > or "Specify a function library to be used during linking." ? > > Or am I being to nit picky? You're right. It just wasn't very clear from your original post what the "typo" was. I plead guilty of missing it too, because I only gave a quick glance at the text of the post. Some times, I think that reading diff output for too long has damaged my reading skills! I've committed a fix for the nit. You're not picky :-) Thanks, - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 12:20:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3590E16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:20:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE83943D62 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:20:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CKKov053694 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:20:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9CKKWJ053693; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:20:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:20:20 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412091220.iB9CKKWJ053693@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Alden Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6904416A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:13:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5548343D5A for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:13:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9CDxjE046699 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:13:59 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9CDwTS046697; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:13:59 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200412091213.iB9CDwTS046697@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:13:59 GMT From: Alden To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/74889: S_ISREG etc marcos missing from stat man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:20:21 -0000 >Number: 74889 >Category: docs >Synopsis: S_ISREG etc marcos missing from stat man page >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Dec 09 12:20:20 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Alden >Release: Man pages on freebsd.org website >Organization: Plasmon >Environment: NA >Description: The section 2 man page for stat, lstat, etc does not define the POSIX macros to define file mode - i.e. S_ISLNK, S_ISREG, etc. The macros do not appear to have their own man page. As the macros exist only for testing the st_mode field in the stat buffer the stat man page is the obvious place to define them. I know the macros exist because I'm using them. >How-To-Repeat: Using the man page interface on www.freebsd.org, search for lstat. Look in all sections. I've tried FreeBSD 6.0-current and FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE (which is the BSD version I'm using). The S_IFLNK flag is defined, but not the macro to test it. Same for the other file modes. >Fix: Include the standard definition for the macros. Text from the linux man page for stat below, as an example: The following POSIX macros are defined to check the file type: S_ISREG(m) is it a regular file? S_ISDIR(m) directory? S_ISCHR(m) character device? S_ISBLK(m) block device? S_ISFIFO(m) fifo? S_ISLNK(m) symbolic link? (Not in POSIX.1-1996.) S_ISSOCK(m) socket? (Not in POSIX.1-1996.) >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 13:36:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C0B16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:36:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2476D43D49 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:36:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-100.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB9Da8ag015679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:36:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:36:15 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20041209083615.254a8c7b@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041209114756.GA4933@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20041207202951.7913d5e5@localhost> <20041209114756.GA4933@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Typo in Developers Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:36:27 -0000 On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:47:56 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-12-08 22:22, beowuff wrote: > >On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:29:51 -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > >>On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:44 -0800 beowuff wrote: > >>> Found a small typo in the developers-handbook. > >>> > >>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/tools-compiling.html > >>> > >>> Section 2.4 > >>> > >>> > >>> -llibrary > >>> > >>> Specify a function library to be used during when linking. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> This isn't a typo. > >> > >> You specify -l to inform cc(1) that you are working with a > >> library. It takes the form of -l. > > > > Shouldn't this be "Specify a function library to be used when linking." ? > > or "Specify a function library to be used during linking." ? > > > > Or am I being to nit picky? > > You're right. It just wasn't very clear from your original post what > the "typo" was. I plead guilty of missing it too, because I only gave a > quick glance at the text of the post. Some times, I think that reading > diff output for too long has damaged my reading skills! Very correct Mr. Keramidas, I missed it also since I figured the -llibrary was the typo in question. My bad. > > I've committed a fix for the nit. You're not picky :-) Fast, thank you! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 13:49:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1669116A4CE; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E858043D49; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:49:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zettel@acm.org) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (bgp966574bgs.derbrn01.mi.comcast.net[68.41.108.205]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004120913495701500eaimve>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:49:57 +0000 From: Len Zettel To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:49:40 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200412090849.41062.zettel@acm.org> Subject: Re: Handbook (ports) portupgrade -PP X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:49:58 -0000 On Thursday 09 December 2004 10:59 am, Denis Peplin wrote: > Hello! > > Please, look at patch atached and note me if > some grammar errors found. > +=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetch pa= ckages + the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetches packages -LenZ- > Thanks! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 14:50:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA1016A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:50:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F4443D5E for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:50:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9EoH14070130 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:50:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9EoH6Z070129; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:50:17 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:50:17 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412091450.iB9EoH6Z070129@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Enrique Matías Sánchez (aka Quique) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE1D816A4DF for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:43:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A6243D66 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:43:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9EhR0A084907 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:43:27 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9EhRw9084905; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:43:27 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200412091443.iB9EhRw9084905@www.freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:43:27 GMT From: Enrique Matías Sánchez (aka Quique) To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/74894: Minor typo on the FreeBSD Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:50:17 -0000 >Number: 74894 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Minor typo on the FreeBSD Handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Dec 09 14:50:17 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Enrique Matías Sánchez (aka Quique) >Release: 5.3 >Organization: FDP-es >Environment: >Description: There is a minor typo on the section 2.11.3 (Using MS-DOS and Windows® File Systems) of the FreeBSD Handbook: They should produce enough information too give an idea of the partition layout. ^^^ >How-To-Repeat: Just visit section 2.11.3 of the Handbook :-) >Fix: too -> to >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 14:53:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930E916A4CF; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:53:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7196243D5E; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:53:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from blackend@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (blackend@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9ErKAH070344; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:53:20 GMT (envelope-from blackend@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from blackend@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9ErKC0070340; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:53:20 GMT (envelope-from blackend) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:53:20 GMT From: Marc Fonvieille Message-Id: <200412091453.iB9ErKC0070340@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cronopios@gmail.com, blackend@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/74894: Minor typo on the FreeBSD Handbook X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:53:20 -0000 Synopsis: Minor typo on the FreeBSD Handbook State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: blackend State-Changed-When: Thu Dec 9 14:52:50 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: Fixed. Thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74894 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 14:58:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB3E16A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:58:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp (wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp [210.228.173.142]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D792443D5A for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 14:58:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rushani@bl.mmtr.or.jp) Received: (qmail 26526 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2004 23:58:45 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (210.165.212.57) by wasley.bl.mmtr.or.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2004 23:58:45 +0900 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 23:58:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20041209.235810.55490146.rushani@bl.mmtr.or.jp> To: hexa@bsdmail.org From: Hideyuki KURASHINA In-Reply-To: <20041208195228.11150416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20041208195228.11150416118@ws5-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-URL: http://www.rushani.jp/ X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.rushani.jp/rushani.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A052 6F98 6146 6FE3 91E2 DA6B F2FA 2088 439A DC57 X-RC5-72-Stats: http://stats.distributed.net/participant/psummary.php?project_id=8&id=432320 X-Mailer: Mew version 4.1.52 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hi X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:58:48 -0000 Hi, >>> On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 03:52:27 +0800, "hex mail" said: > I finish to read now the the articles about FBSD who i find in the FTP.Soo , let's go at the subject . Well , i will be verry happy to can help you with writiin your texts in spanish and romanian . I know the both languages. And i have a lil' free time to do that. Well , i'm waitin your message. Thank You. Thanks for having your interest to our project. Translation teams are working for both languages. You can contact them, see http://www.FreeBSD.org/docproj/translations.html for datails. Good luck! -- rushani From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 15:50:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F09716A4CE for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9643D4C for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:50:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9FoVUl077134 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:50:31 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9FoVUg077133; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:50:31 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:50:31 GMT Message-Id: <200412091550.iB9FoVUg077133@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Joel Dahl Subject: Re: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:50:31 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/74862; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Joel Dahl To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:36:34 +0100 --=-FpG7KYPhzL6Yn4BKolKp Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 2004-12-09 at 03:54 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-12-08 19:39, Joel Dahl wrote: > > (1) Remove reference to IDE_DELAY. I'm not sure that my memory is > > correct, but I think that it was removed a long time ago, so I > > don't see any point in keeping it here. > > IDE_DELAY is still used by the wd(4) driver of PC98. Conditional > inclusion of text in manpages is not possible AFAIK, so we could > probably reword that part a bit to make it more obvious that it only > applies to PC98. New patch attached. Any better? (I had to check src/sys/pc98/pc98/wd.c for a reference to IDE_DELAY. If this is an option available for the kernel configuration, why doesn't NOTES for PC98 mention it?) > > > (2) Reword things a bit since SCSI_DELAY defaults to 5000 milliseconds > > in CURRENT, not 15000. > > This part looks good. > Thanks. :-) --=-FpG7KYPhzL6Yn4BKolKp Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=tuning2.diff Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=tuning2.diff; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: tuning.7 =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/share/man/man7/tuning.7,v retrieving revision 1.69 diff -u -r1.69 tuning.7 --- tuning.7 16 Nov 2004 21:22:09 -0000 1.69 +++ tuning.7 9 Dec 2004 15:17:45 -0000 @@ -814,17 +814,15 @@ by a megabyte or more, leaving more memory available for applications. .Pp .Dv SCSI_DELAY -and -.Dv IDE_DELAY may be used to reduce system boot times. The defaults are fairly high and -can be responsible for 15+ seconds of delay in the boot process. +can be responsible for 5+ seconds of delay in the boot process. Reducing .Dv SCSI_DELAY -to 5 seconds usually works (especially with modern drives). +to something below 5 seconds could work (especially with modern drives). Reducing .Dv IDE_DELAY -also works but you have to be a little more careful. +(only available for PC98) also works but you have to be a little more careful. .Pp There are a number of .Dv *_CPU --=-FpG7KYPhzL6Yn4BKolKp-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 9 15:54:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AAE916A4CE; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:54:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A443D5D; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:54:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (keramida@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB9FssLA077339; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:54:54 GMT (envelope-from keramida@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB9FssRu077335; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:54:54 GMT (envelope-from keramida) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:54:54 GMT From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200412091554.iB9FssRu077335@freefall.freebsd.org> To: joel@automatvapen.se, keramida@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/74862: [patch] update tuning(7) man page X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:54:55 -0000 Synopsis: [patch] update tuning(7) man page State-Changed-From-To: open->patched State-Changed-By: keramida State-Changed-When: Thu Dec 9 15:53:49 GMT 2004 State-Changed-Why: I committed a slightly modified version of your last patch (one that minimizes the lines affected by the change). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74862 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 00:09:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68EC16A4CE; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9E043D68; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rodrigc@crodrigues.org) Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com ([66.30.114.143]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004121000093501100es9f1e>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:35 +0000 Received: from h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iBA09YuZ005390; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:09:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rodrigc@h00609772adf0.ne.client2.attbi.com) Received: (from rodrigc@localhost)iBA09YFq005389; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:09:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rodrigc) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:09:33 -0500 From: Craig Rodrigues To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041210000933.GA5325@crodrigues.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-docs@freebsd.org Subject: hw.ata.atapi_dma patch for ata(4) man page? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:09:41 -0000 Hi, In ata(4), it states: hw.ata.atapi_dma set to 1 for DMA access, 0 for PIO (default is PIO). In src/sys/dev/ata/ata-all.c, this sysctl is by default set to 1 (on -CURRENT, and also on 5.3-RELEASE). Perhaps this patch is in order? --- share/man/man4/ata.4.orig Thu Dec 9 19:07:53 2004 +++ share/man/man4/ata.4 Thu Dec 9 19:08:08 2004 @@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ .It Va hw.ata.ata_dma set to 1 for DMA access, 0 for PIO (default is DMA). .It Va hw.ata.atapi_dma -set to 1 for DMA access, 0 for PIO (default is PIO). +set to 1 for DMA access, 0 for PIO (default is DMA). .It Va hw.ata.wc set to 1 to enable Write Caching, 0 to disable (default is enabled). .Em WARNING : -- Craig Rodrigues rodrigc@crodrigues.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 07:17:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1DF16A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from volginfo.ru (ns.volginfo.ru [217.23.84.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876DB43D45 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:17:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from den@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (llp-13.vistcom.ru [217.23.84.68]) by volginfo.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9C92013; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:25 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <41B94D82.8050303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:17:22 +0300 From: Denis Peplin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041008 X-Accept-Language: ru, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Len Zettel References: <41B8302B.6020001@FreeBSD.org> <200412090849.41062.zettel@acm.org> In-Reply-To: <200412090849.41062.zettel@acm.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Handbook (ports) portupgrade -PP X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 07:17:29 -0000 Hello! Len Zettel wrote: > On Thursday 09 December 2004 10:59 am, Denis Peplin wrote: > >>Hello! >> >>Please, look at patch atached and note me if >>some grammar errors found. >> > > + the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetch packages > + the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetches packages > -LenZ- Committed with suggested modifications. Thank to Marck and Len! P.S. And with following modification: portupgrade searches the local directories listed in PKG_PATH, or fetches packages from remote site if it is not found locally. - If packages can not be fetched remotely, + If packages can not be found locally or fetched remotely, portupgrade will use ports. To avoid using ports, specify . (both variants logically ok, but second better for reading) From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 15:30:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6725716A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFB443D55 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFUP6k083612 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBAFUPKF083608; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412101530.iBAFUPKF083608@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Juho Vuori Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A283C16A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [216.136.204.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD3F43D55 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAFQ6CO043176 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:06 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBAFQ5qm043173; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:06 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200412101526.iBAFQ5qm043173@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:26:06 GMT From: Juho Vuori To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-2.3 Subject: docs/74917: References to inexistent sysctl veriable kern.quantum in faq X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:30:25 -0000 >Number: 74917 >Category: docs >Synopsis: References to inexistent sysctl veriable kern.quantum in faq >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 10 15:30:24 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Juho Vuori >Release: 5-STABLE >Organization: kulma.net >Environment: FreeBSD varsi 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #19: Tue Dec 7 14:02:02 EET 2004 juho@varsi:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VARSI i386 >Description: FreeBSD FAQ questions 8.6 and 8.7 talk about sysctl variables kern.quantum, which in fact is kern.sched.quantum nowadays. >How-To-Repeat: - >Fix: obvious >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 19:00:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0BB16A4CF for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90A943D46 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAJ0gtJ010185 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:42 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBAJ0gUV010179; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:42 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:42 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200412101900.iBAJ0gUV010179@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Joel Dahl Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD0E16A4CE for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B173543D5A for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:50:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from joel@automatvapen.se) Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8FA5038196; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D19137F7E for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:50:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from dude.automatvapen.se (t5o55p39.telia.com [212.181.194.39]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7597237E43 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:50:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by dude.automatvapen.se (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:51:01 +0100 Message-Id: <20041210185045.7597237E43@smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:51:01 +0100 From: "Joel Dahl" To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/74927: [patch] update handbook: chapter 10.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Joel Dahl List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:00:43 -0000 >Number: 74927 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] update handbook: chapter 10.1 >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Dec 10 19:00:42 GMT 2004 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joel Dahl >Release: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD dude.automatvapen.se 5.3-STABLE FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #1: Sat Nov 13 19:50:36 CET 2004 joel@dude.automatvapen.se:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/WRK i386 >Description: Quote from Chapter 10.1: "In a nutshell, the compatibility allows FreeBSD users to run about 90% of all Linux applications without modification. This includes applications such as StarOffice, the Linux version of Netscape, Adobe Acrobat, RealPlayer 5 and 7, VMware, Oracle, WordPerfect, Doom, Quake, and more." The latest available version of RealPlayer for FreeBSD is 8 (can be found in the ports collection under multimedia/linux-realplayer). I suggest that we remove the version numbers, which will make this easier to maintain, but I'm open for different solutions. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- linreal.diff begins here --- Index: chapter.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu/chapter.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.116 diff -u -r1.116 chapter.sgml --- chapter.sgml 29 Nov 2004 21:43:36 -0000 1.116 +++ chapter.sgml 10 Dec 2004 18:35:41 -0000 @@ -57,8 +57,8 @@ includes applications such as &staroffice;, the Linux version of &netscape;, &adobe; &acrobat;, - RealPlayer - 5 and 7, VMware, + RealPlayer, + VMware, &oracle;, WordPerfect, Doom, Quake, and more. It is also reported --- linreal.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 10 20:39:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D58D16A4CE; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:39:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kane.otenet.gr (kane.otenet.gr [195.170.0.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF0543D54; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:39:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a096.otenet.gr [212.205.215.96]) iBAKd8Xd006823; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:10 +0200 Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBAKd3Ca000782; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:39:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBA3wrDt038369; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:58:53 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 05:58:53 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041210035853.GA38277@gothmog.gr> References: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Testing the build infrastructure X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:39:13 -0000 On 2004-12-07 22:18, Nik Clayton wrote: > Guys, > Given the comments that have been bandied about recently relating to > breakage of various parts of the build infrastructure, and functionality > that used to work no longer working, I'd like to make some concrete > progress towards fixing things. [...] > > Thoughts? That looks like a good plan :) Any details on how the tests should be written? Can we (re)use the style of the tests of src/ at all? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 02:36:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1D716A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:36:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postal.netaxs.com (postal.netaxs.com [207.8.186.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6443D55 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:36:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from clear@alum.mit.edu) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (root@unix5.netaxs.com [207.8.186.7]) iBB2aNup004813 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:36:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41BA5D20.6000405@alum.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:36:16 -0500 From: Jed Clear Organization: Dis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910 X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Logs and Logging in Handbook? X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:36:19 -0000 While trying to remember where to add additional files to the log rotation, I tried the handbook first. Is there some reason there isn't a page on logs and log maintenance in the Sys Admin section of the handbook? Even if the syslog man page (my next stop) is good enough, I'd think logs should get a mention in the handbook. Might also want to mention dmesg and uname there, and other items that help you monitor your system. After searching, I see that syslog.conf and newsyslog are buried down in 11.10.3. But that doesn't do much with why and what. I still think a section on monitoring, a little higher in the hierarchy, would be useful. -Jed From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 02:43:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D7B16A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:43:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.clear.net.nz (smtp2.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFB343D1F for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:43:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neotu@clear.net.nz) Received: from yourdomain.net (218-101-64-220.dialup.clear.net.nz [218.101.64.220]) by smtp2.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0I8J00DS5E7ZMI@smtp2.clear.net.nz> for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:43:13 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:43:13 +1300 From: neotu@clear.net.nz To: "doc@freebsd.org" Message-id: <0I8J00DS7E80MI@smtp2.clear.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help if u can pritty please X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:43:14 -0000 Hello hello , I was wondering if you would be able to give me a hand to find a few serials, ive searched and searched and searched some more on the net but i dont think anyone has done them yet? Thanks for that do u have msn? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 02:46:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D9916A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.clear.net.nz (smtp2.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3530E43D54 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:46:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neotu@clear.net.nz) Received: from yourdomain.net (218-101-64-220.dialup.clear.net.nz [218.101.64.220]) by smtp2.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0I8J00138ED9QY@smtp2.clear.net.nz> for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:46:32 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:46:32 +1300 From: neotu@clear.net.nz To: "doc@freebsd.org" Message-id: <0I8J0013UEDJQY@smtp2.clear.net.nz> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Help if u can pritty please X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:46:33 -0000 Hello hello , I was wondering if you would be able to give me a hand to find a few serials, ive searched and searched and searched some more on the net but i dont think anyone has done them yet? Thanks for that do u have msn? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 02:52:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C2116A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:52:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADF843D2F for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:52:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gorebofh@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.0.101] (pcp02382275pcs.pthurn01.mi.comcast.net[68.60.78.233]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004121102523301300lnn6ce>; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:52:33 +0000 From: Allen To: doc@FreeBSD.org Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:52:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412102152.18262.gorebofh@comcast.net> Subject: Free BSD installation tutorial X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 02:52:37 -0000 This is something I wrote and it seems to have helped a lot of people get passed that first installation of Free BSD, so I'm going to post it here so others can share it to. If you'd like to change just let me know. I wrote it and you can use it if you'd like, all I ask is that I'm given credit, that's all. And if someone changes anything it would be nice to see how it was changed to I can improve my writing skills to, so I'd like to know. I don't think I've ever posted here before but sometimes people post what I wrote as me so if this has shown up before, well, sorry. ------------------------------------------ Installing Free BSD 5.0 Installing Operating Systems with gore Free BSD 5.0 Introduction: Free BSD has the same reputation as Slackware Linux does for not being an easy to install OS. Well, So far I've installed it 30 times, and I haven't used a manual yet. This tutorial will be the same as my Slackware tutorial was, in that it will provide a step by step installation tutorial for Free BSD. Free BSD is actually quite easy to install. Hopefully this will show that. For right now I'm only going to show the installation, but maybe in another tutorial, or paper, I'll show you how to configure it, but first things first right? This will work on a number of machines. I've installed it this way on two machines, with very different hardware, and the install works fine, so you should be fine. Even if you have an integrated video card you can at least install it, but setting up XFree86 is different, and so for the time being, I won't be showing the configuration. Mainly because the machine I usually use for free BSD is currently being used to type this with Slackware Linux 9.1. This tutorial is being typed on Emacs, the non X version, and the install should only take you a few minutes unless you have terribly slow hardware. Assumptions: You have a CD-ROM drive You won't be sharing the HD with another OS (If you are, when it comes time to partition, you're on your own :) I won't be showing you how to partition to use another OS with it, as I don't, and don't feel the need to, as there is enough documentation to get you through this anyway, and besides, you have to partition to use Free BSD anyway, so if you can do that, you can do it to allow another OS to reside on disk with Free BSD too.) You will be setting up a network connection. (If you are not, then skip that section). X86: The GUI for free BSD is the same as Linux uses, but you do have to set it up by hand. If you plan on using X, I recommend that before you begin, you go into the current OS on your computer and get all the information about your hardware, you'll need it. I've set up X a few times, and it's not hard, but you have to set it up to your own hardware configuration, and I'm NOT going to show you how to do this with every possible configuration, so that is why I'm not adding a section for X. After you use it for a while and read books, you'll learn more by doing this yourself, than you will if I just tell you how. So I'm not skipping X configuration to be mean, but just because there are to many possible combinations of hardware. The installation: To start the installation, take the CD-ROM, and insert it into the CD-ROM drive of the computer you are installing on, and shut the machine down. Wait a few seconds, and then hit the power button. As the machine boots up you'll see text scrolling, and a little warning saying it will boot in 10 seconds, you can either watch the count down with excitement, or press "ENTER" on your keyboard. After the count down, the text gets a brighter white color, scrolls, and then you see something that may remind you a little of Slackware Linux: Sys Install: The Free BSD installation is done by "SysInstall" which is a nice non GUI program that's fairly easy to use. After the machine has booted up you'll see it, and can begin the installation. When Sys Install is loaded on your screen, press the DOWN arrow key once, and press "ENTER" to begin a standard installation. For the most part, the install of Free BSD looks the same as far back as 4.0 which was my first version. 5.1 and so on look a bit different, but besides a few screens, it's the same. I'm using the Free BSD 5.0 disk that came with my book "Free BSD Unleashed, second edition". I highly recommend This book, and "the Complete Free BSD" for anyone using BSD. After pressing "ENTER" to begin a standard install, you come to a screen saying you are going into Fdisk. Press "ENTER" to say "OK" and then you see the Fdisk screen. Don't worry, this is simple! Press the letter "A" on your keyboard, to allocate all of the disk to Free BSD, then, press the UP arrow key once to highlight the partition named "freebsd" and press "S" to set it as bootable. You'll see a little "A" after pressing "S" to confirm it was set as bootable. After you press "S" and have it set as bootable, press "Q" to quit. After you have pressed "Q" you come to the screen to select a boot manager. If you plan on dual booting, I recommend the Free BSD boot manager. If you have a partition and boot manager already installed that you need to keep, then you will want to leave the MBR alone! To leave the MBR alone and use whatever boot manager you have installed: Press the DOWN arrow key twice to highlight "NONE" and press the "ENTER" key. If you're like me and don't have any other OS you need installed on the machine, then press the DOWN arrow key one time, to highlight "Standard" and then press "ENTER". After you have done this, you see a screen saying you are going to be playing with Fdisk again. Press "ENTER" to say "OK", and you are taken back to Fdisk for round 2. Now, this part looks very intimidating to a newbie, but it's actually very easy. All you have to do here, is press "A" for auto defaults, then press "Q" to finish. Easy huh? After you press "Q" you come back to the Sys Install screen to select software. This screen is fairly straight forward for coders and Kernel Developers, but for newbies it's not. The easiest way to get passed this screen, is to press the DOWN arrow key once, which will select all, and pressing "ENTER". After you press "ENTER" you are taken to a new screen asking about the ports collection. There is no reason you should not install the ports unless you're installing on a VERY small disk. The default highlight is "Yes", so go ahead and press "ENTER" on this window, and after doing so, you come back to the same screen you were just at asking for software to install. At this screen, press the UP arrow key once, to highlight "EXIT" and then press "ENTER". After you have done so, you come to a new screen that is asking where to install from. It's already highlighting the CD/DVD method, so just press "ENTER". After pressing "ENTER" you have to tell it which CD-ROM it's in. Usually if you have more than one CD drive in your machine, you pop it in the top one, so the already highlighted top "ATAPI/IDE CDROM" Option should work fine. If not pick the other ;) After you have pressed "ENTER" and selected the CD-ROM drive the Free BSD installation media is in, you come to a screen warning you that this is your last chance to turn back. If you forgot to do something, this is the time to select "No". If you took care of everything you may need, and are ready to finally actually begin the installation, then press "ENTER" as the "YES" option is already highlighted. After you select "YES" you see the screen go blue and showing you the current task it is performing. It's currently making File Systems on the HD, so relax for a minute while it does this. After the File Systems are done, you see a new little window on the screen showing you a progress bar. It's now loading things from CD, so it can take a while on a slower system. After a few minutes, you see it starts adding packages. This doesn't usually take that long, but again, just relax. After a few minutes, you see a message saying how Free BSD is now installed. Don't stop yet though, you're not done. Press "ENTER" on the screen telling you the main install is done, and then it will ask you if you want to configure a network. If you have no network, then don't select "Yes". But if you DO have a network and want to set it up now, press "ENTER" as "Yes" is already selected. After pressing "ENTER" you see various options. Free BSD has picked up my integrated NIC, so I press "ENTER" as it's already selected on the screen. After pressing "ENTER" You see a message pop up asking if you want to use IPV6 with this device....Unless you are sure you need this, then you will NOT need it. "No" is already preselected, so just press "ENTER". After you press "ENTER" be careful not to just hit it again, as the same message window then asks if you want to use DHCP. I'm on a LAN, so I press the LEFT arrow key once, and press "ENTER" on "Yes". It scans for DHCP servers, and it finds my DHCP servers, and now I can fill out information. For host, you can type pretty much anything, and the domain is already filled out as my DHCP configuration on the router sent it to Free BSD already. Type in a host name you want, and then press "TAB" to pop over to the next box. You may notice that pressing "TAB" made more information pop up, this is fine, so don't worry. Press "TAB" until you have "OK" selected at the bottom. After you have "OK" selected, press "ENTER". Network configuration continues as the next screen has another window asking you if you want to use Free BSD as a network gateway. If you are, then go ahead, but for me, I'm leaving the already selected "No" answer and just pressing "ENTER". After you have pressed "ENTER" another window asks about InetD. For now, I'm just going to leave the answer "NO" that is already selected, and press "ENTER". You can always configure this later anyway. After you have pressed "ENTER" you have another window asking about FTP. If you're not setting up an FTP server, leave this screen alone, and just press "ENTER" as you can do this later if you need it, and "NO" is selected by default, so just press "ENTER". After you have done so, you get asked about an NFS server. Just press "ENTER" here too. After you hot "OK" on this screen, you come to another screen, which asks about an NFS client. If you are setting up Free BSD as a server or client on your network, you may want to set this up, but if it's just going to be on your LAN, then just keep hitting "No" for these, and as always, you can set these up later on. After you have pressed "ENTER" you come to another screen asking for the security profile of the system. This screen is your choice. If you're like me, you'll be pressing "ENTER" as the default selection is already on "No". This way I can configure the system myself. After you made a choice and hit "ENTER" you are taken to the next screen telling you about the security selection. Just press "ENTER" after reading the message on the screen. After you press "ENTER" you come to another screen asking to customize the console settings. Just press "ENTER" here for the already selected answer "No" as you don't need to do this unless you really want to. After pressing "ENTER" you will come to another screen, asking for the time zone. Press "ENTER" here as it is already on "Yes". After pressing "ENTER" the next screen tries to confuse you, so just press "ENTER" again. Unless of course you're sure of the answer. After pressing "ENTER" select your Country. I'm in the US, so I press the DOWN arrow key until I have "America -- North and South" selected, and then I press "ENTER". Now, after you have "ENTER" pressed, press the DOWN arrow key until the Country you're in is selected. I'm in the "United States" so I press the DOWN arrow until that is highlighted. I then press "ENTER" and go to the time zone selection screen. I'm in "Michigan" so I press on the DOWN arrow key once to select "Eastern Time - Michigan - most locations" and press the "ENTER" key. After pressing "ENTER" a little window pops up asking if an abbreviation looks OK. Just press "ENTER" here. The next question it asks is about Linux compatibility. Go ahead and say "Yes" here, as it can be nice to use Linux Applications on Free BSD. After you press "ENTER" it adds the packages needed, and is also a great time to smoke. So I'm going to smoke while this is installing, and when I get back it will be done. The Linux compatibility install finishes, and then you come to another screen asking you if you have a NON USB mouse attached. My mouse is not USB so I press the LEFT arrow key to highlight "Yes" and press "ENTER". After pressing "ENTER" you come to a screen to set up the mouse. Press the DOWN arrow key one time, and press "ENTER". Move the mouse around and see if it shows up. This should work without problems, and if you see the cursor moving press "ENTER". Now press the DOWN arrow key to select the mouse protocol. In this, "AUTO" is already selected, so just press "ENTER" unless you're sure of the mouseyou have and see it here. After pressing "ENTER" press the DOWN arrow key and press "ENTER". This mouse is a PS/2 mouse, so I just press the little "ENTER" key, and then when I'm back on the original screen I press the UP arrow key until "EXIT" is highlighted, and press "ENTER" again. The next window asks about configuring X, but as I said already, I'm not walkign you through this because you have to set options for each video card. I don't have the same card as everyone else, so it wouldn't be all that helpful. So for this screen, just press the RIGHT arrow key to select "No" and press "ENTER". You can set this up at a later time, so don't worry. After you finish that screen you come to another screen to install more software. "Yes" is already selected, so just press "ENTER". After you have pressed "ENTER" the easiest thing is just pressing "ENTER" as "ALL" is already selected. This will install everything, and makes it easier than going through every package. You can do that when you have learned more about Free BSD. After you have gotten to the next screen, you should see a software selection screen, and you can choose some things to install for X. You can select whatever you want here, and any dependencies will be added automatically. After you have selected what you want, press "TAB" to select "OK" and then press "ENTER" on the keyboard. You now come back to the screen you were at earlier, and now you just press "TAB" to highlight on the button saying to "Install" and press "ENTER". After pressing "ENTER" the packages you selected are installed, and then you come to a new screen some time later. this screen asks for setting up user accounts, so press "ENTER" as "YES" is already highlighted. After pressing "ENTER" press the little "DOWN" arrow on your keyboard, and press "ENTER" to add a user. It asks for a log in ID, so whatever you want to use to log in should be entered. I enter "GORE" then hit "TAB" 3 times to enter in a password, then hit "TAB" again to enter a full name. After you have entered the name, press "TAB" until you are on "OK" and hit "ENTER". After pressing "ENTER" you go back to the screen to add users or groups. Enter as many users as you need to, and then, select "EXIT" and press "ENTER" when you finish adding users. Now it's time to set the Root password. Press enter at the screen telling you about it, and then enter in a Root password. You have to enter it in twice. Then you can read the window asking if want to go to the main window for any more options. "No" is already highlighted here, so just press "ENTER". After you are done, you see the first screen again. Press "TAB" and that will highlight the "Exit" option. Press "ENTER" and a little screen asks if you're sure. Press the LEFT arrow key to highlight "YES" and press "ENTER". Make sure you pop out the CD-ROM first, and if you can't for some reason, just wait until it's rebooting and pull it out then. The machine reboots, and boots up for the first time. Now, have fun. -- ----------------------------------------------- http://www.misfits.com Punk Rock, Opiates das Blut in den Adern erstarren lassen. 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Nielsen" Message-Id: <200412111129.iBBBTWIm063847@freefall.freebsd.org> To: simon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, simon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/74546: man(4) for snd_maestro audio driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:29:32 -0000 Synopsis: man(4) for snd_maestro audio driver Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->simon Responsible-Changed-By: simon Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Dec 11 11:29:14 GMT 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: I will work on this one. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=74546 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 14:28:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E6916A4CE; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29F443D55; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBESEx6005240; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:28:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBBESDjq084799; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:13 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iBBESCku087814; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:13 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBBESCBa087813; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:12 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:11 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20041211142811.GB34046@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041210035853.GA38277@gothmog.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041210035853.GA38277@gothmog.gr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project cc: doc@freebsd.org cc: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: Testing the build infrastructure X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:28:19 -0000 --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 05:58:53AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2004-12-07 22:18, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Guys, > > Given the comments that have been bandied about recently relating to > > breakage of various parts of the build infrastructure, and functionality > > that used to work no longer working, I'd like to make some concrete > > progress towards fixing things. [...] > > > > Thoughts? >=20 > That looks like a good plan :) >=20 > Any details on how the tests should be written? Can we (re)use the > style of the tests of src/ at all? Ideally that's exactly what we'll do. I'm a big fan of prove(1), which will run tests and generate a report of which succeeded, which failed, and so on. The output format that tests need to generate is listed in src/tools/regression/README. It's easy to write tests in Perl and /bin/sh, and I'm working on a C implementation. I strongly suspect that most of our tests will be written in /bin/sh -- a lot of them will be: * Did this file get created? * Does the output match the canonical output which we've stored in /this/file? * Was the exit code the one we expected? For example, I don't (because I've not looked in to it in any detail) understand exactly what's broken in the obj/ building case. But with tests that describe how things are supposed to work I don't need to. All I need to do (prior to making a commit) is run the tests. As long as they all pass everything's fine. The only extra work (after this is in place) is when we make infrastructure changes. There need to be corresponding tests in place. So, when I committed the .sgml -> .xml conversion code, if I'd committed a test for it as well, we'd know exactly when it broke, and why. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBuwP6k6gHZCw343URAmZXAJ9QL2PBVcx307zPx0XfXJBt7eOBNgCghgYv r3KjNAY9p+XETC9ob5DtUsc= =9MXw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2B/JsCI69OhZNC5r-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 14:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA92D16A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jc.ngo.org.uk (jc.ngo.org.uk [69.55.225.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D53943D7C for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (82-44-220-218.cable.ubr10.haye.blueyonder.co.uk [82.44.220.218]) by jc.ngo.org.uk (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBBErcTb037511 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBBErbIj085042 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:37 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iBBErbS3087873 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:37 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBBErbx4087872 for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:37 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:37 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041211145337.GC34046@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: FreeBSD Project Subject: Kwalitee X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:53:39 -0000 --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thinking out loud. One of the things we strive for is to improve the quality of our documentation. "quality", in this case, is quite an abstract metric. It's hard to measure much beyond "I'll know it when I see it". A segment of the Perl community has adopted the term "kwality" (yes, I know, that's the Perl sense of humour kicking in) to describe those aspects that relate to "quality" that can be accurately measured. The idea being that although "kwalitee" doesn't measure "quality", a high kwality shows a correlation with high quality. I'm wondering if we can adopt this idea for the FDP. Can we come up with a series of objective metrics that let us quickly point out any areas where the documentation might do with improvement, and mechanisms for testing those metrics? This would give us some 'low hanging fruit' for interested contributors to investigate and, if necessary, fix. So to kick off, some metrics we might use, and the rationale behind them. It should be possible to mechanically check each metric. Metric: Date of last commit > 6 months ago Rationale: Some documents are write-once, or change very infrequently. But I'd venture to suggest that the majority of them should=20 be updated reasonably often. A document that's not been=20 touched in 6 months merits investigation. Maybe it doesn't need to be changed, or maybe it's slowly becoming irrelevant, and needs updating or removing? Metric: Any spelling errors Rationale: Should be obvious. Metric: Fewer than 10% of the document is Rationale: For DocBook docs only. And I don't know if 10% is too high or too low. A document/chapter that doesn't have many=20 indexterms in it has probably not been indexed properly. Metric: Translated version is > 4 weeks behind English version Rationale: I have no idea how the various translation teams decide what order to translate things in, or which updates merit attention the fastest. But this might help point out translated docs that need attention. Metric: Chapters with no Synopsis section Rationale: We've got a standard structure for chapters in most of our documentation, does this document follow it? Metric: More than x,000 words in a Rationale: I don't know what an appropriate number for 'x' is, but this would point out a chapter that might benefit from being split out in to sub-chapters. Metric: s with unbalanced number of words Rationale: Apart from the Synopsis I suspect (and as yet have no hard=20 data to back this up) that each in a chapter should, assuming the content's been structured appropriately, have a roughly similar number of words. If they don't the content may be unbalanced. This might highlight chapters that go in to a lot of detail about one aspect of something, but have barely touched upon others. Thoughts? What other metrics can people come up with? Remember, it needs to be possible to objectively test them. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBuwnwk6gHZCw343URAtaUAJ47bPgxxEYgU/d33kGUWuw3vxnDRACglXaG tq9PppHNlIvl4vnTt7WUByM= =WigN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OBd5C1Lgu00Gd/Tn-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 15:16:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACC016A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:16:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr (smtp3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA56443D55 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:16:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dupouy.michel@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with SMTP id AB1111C003FD for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:16:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ABordeaux-152-1-27-63.w83-193.abo.wanadoo.fr [83.193.49.63]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 448F01C003F2 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:16:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <41BB0F6A.2080901@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:16:58 +0100 From: "dupouy.michel" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?difficult=E9s?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:16:42 -0000 je voudrais m'inscrire à la liste de diffusion suivante:" listserver@FreeBSD-fr.org ", je n'y arrive pas malgré plusieurs tentatives.Pourriez-vous m'y abonner svp ? Merci! From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 17:28:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C75716A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:28:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.thilelli.net (smtp.thilelli.net [213.41.129.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E04D43D48 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:28:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jpeg@thilelli.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.thilelli.net [127.0.0.1]) by bento.thilelli.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAEA78C76; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from bento.thilelli.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bento.thilelli.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27562-06; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:31 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.thilelli.net (localhost.thilelli.net [127.0.0.1]) by bento.thilelli.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A7478C72; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from 82.121.143.151 (SquirrelMail authenticated user jgabel); by webmail.thilelli.net with HTTP; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1090.82.121.143.151.1102786110.squirrel@82.121.143.151> In-Reply-To: <41BB0F6A.2080901@wanadoo.fr> References: <41BB0F6A.2080901@wanadoo.fr> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:28:30 +0100 (CET) From: "Julien Gabel" To: "dupouy.michel" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at thilelli.net cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?difficult=E9s=2E?= X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:28:38 -0000 Bonjour, > je voudrais m'inscrire à la liste de diffusion suivante:" > listserver@FreeBSD-fr.org ", je n'y > arrive pas malgré plusieurs tentatives.Pourriez-vous m'y abonner svp ? La liste freebsd-doc@ est spécifique au projet FreeBSD.org et n'est pas affiliée au projet français FreeBSD-fr.org. Ce n'est donc pas la liste la mieux appropirée pour ce type de requête. Pour vous abonner à la liste souhaitée, il suffit de renseigner votre @email au bas (à gauche) de l'URL suivante : http://www.freebsd-fr.org/local-fr/www/spec/ -- -jpeg. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 23:49:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D5216A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns.ulstu.ru (ns.ulstu.ru [62.76.34.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C401343D49 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:49:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anvir@ulstu.ru) Received: from orion.ulstu.ru (orion.ulstu.ru [62.76.34.33]) by ns.ulstu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA89072E for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:49:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orion.ulstu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831881B51 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:49:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from orion.ulstu.ru ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (orion.ulstu.ru [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99780-01 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:49:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from ppp21.dialup.ustu (ppp21.dialup.ustu [192.168.100.21]) by orion.ulstu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6DB1C8E for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:49:37 +0300 (MSK) From: Angry Virus Organization: Fatal Error Software To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:49:10 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200412111129.iBBBTWIm063847@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200412111129.iBBBTWIm063847@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412120249.10440.anvir@ulstu.ru> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ulstu.ru Subject: Sorry :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: anvir@mail.ru List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:49:50 -0000 Nice time of day for all. I'm russian, i'm good in understanding technical (IT) english. I want to translate some MANs on russian. Is it correct place to ask? From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 23:56:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA8A16A4CE; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B8A43D4C; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:56:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 6A86E11CEE; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:56:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:56:30 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Nik Clayton Message-ID: <20041211235629.GE53836@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DIOMP1UsTsWJauNi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041207221810.GC79404@clan.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Testing the build infrastructure X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:56:34 -0000 --DIOMP1UsTsWJauNi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.12.07 22:18:10 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: [...] > ... and so on -- additional tests to verify the DOCTYPE, that all the > internal links work, that sort of thing. There should be tests to make > sure that things like building with a r/o doc/ tree works, and so forth. >=20 > Thoughts? I like the idea of having tests like this, since history has clearly shown that it's quite easy to accidently break something which people won't notice for a while. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --DIOMP1UsTsWJauNi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBu4kth9pcDSc1mlERAntUAKCJ0igwd7RgqFMMGByTu1mG+NYsXgCcDGmY HqHDbqZTkHC3n2a07tTTc0s= =ItuX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DIOMP1UsTsWJauNi-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 11 23:59:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B7316A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:59:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E8743D49 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:59:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id B016411CEE; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:59:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:59:15 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: David Message-ID: <20041211235915.GF53836@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <000601c4ddd2$f16d4f80$d100a8c0@alpha> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000601c4ddd2$f16d4f80$d100a8c0@alpha> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.10 + BIND 8.3.7 + webmin 1.70 X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 23:59:16 -0000 --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.12.09 03:39:13 -0600, David wrote: > I currently having issues when it comes to using Webmin and your > method for locking down BIND. [...] doc@FreeBSD.org is for maintenance of the documetation, you should use questions@FreeBSD.org for generic support. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBu4nTh9pcDSc1mlERAn9hAJ0ZIxllIDouhKdPPQEYbgupJxU7wACfTrbY trdaOM5uhWliWV4EiYM/PZ0= =PG0F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jL2BoiuKMElzg3CS--