From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 00:10:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B7616A4CE; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEE943D39; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47342AE07D; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 41586-07; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B662EAE04F; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040104081001.B662EAE04F@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-14 - 2004-01-03 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 08:10:08 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 14:36:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F8516A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts36.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804E243D45 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:36:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cw.fournier@sympatico.ca) Received: from jasperc14zzn69 ([64.230.13.156]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.netSMTP <20040104223642.VMDM11804.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@jasperc14zzn69> for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:36:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c3d313$39e4a130$6401a8c0@jasperc14zzn69> From: "Claude Fournier" To: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:36:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Unable to install freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:36:45 -0000 I want to learn more about freebsd and consequently I have purchased a = new motherboard SYNTAX, DURON AMD integrated video card, sound and = ethernet. The computer has 256 MB of memory, an old western digital 6 = GiG hard disk and a CDROM 40X. I burned the ISO image of 4.8 and 4.9 = release and ran the SYSINSTALL. I can only go as far as : (1) unable to = swap to /dev/ad0s1b and (2) unable to make new root file system on = /dev/ad0s1a. Needless to say, I can not run freebsd. I created on big = slice, actually the whole hard disk, and partition according to = instructions selecting the auto option. Is there more information I = could get on how to get around this issue. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 18:40:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFAB16A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:40:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out5.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out5.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2373B43D2D for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:40:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robc@execpc.com) Received: from mail5.mx.voyager.net (mail5.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.204]) by out5.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFBEC6A99; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:40:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (nm5.mx.lnng.mi.voyager.net [216.93.38.231]) by mail5.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i052eO78090181; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:40:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200401050240.i052eO78090181@mail5.mx.voyager.net> From: "rob copsey" To: "Claude Fournier" X-Mailer: CoreCommMail X-IPAddress: 67.52.12.10 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:40:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 02:40:27 -0000 Greetings, I've noticed that the sysinstall program has a small quirk. If you elect to discontinue the installation process after the filesystem has been created; subsequently restarting the process without a reboot will yield an error. So, please attempt to install once again without choosing to cancel and restart, if you haven't already done so. Good Luck & All the best, Rob > I want to learn more about freebsd and consequently I have purchased a new motherboard SYNTAX, DURON AMD integrated video card, sound and ethernet. The computer has 256 MB of memory, an old western digital 6 GiG hard disk and a CDROM 40X. I burned the ISO image of 4.8 and 4.9 release and ran the SYSINSTALL. I can only go as far as : (1) unable to swap to /dev/ad0s1b and (2) unable to make new root file system on /dev/ad0s1a. Needless to say, I can not run freebsd. I created on big slice, actually the whole hard disk, and partition according to instructions selecting the auto option. Is there more information I could get on how to get around this issue. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 20:01:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D686B16A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:01:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47D943D1F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 20:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 63E4C218C00 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:03:04 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FF8E345.000001.01568@AKOZAK> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:08:37 +1000 Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_DU00QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501324) From: "Andrew Kozak" References: <200401050240.i052eO78090181@mail5.mx.voyager.net> To: "FreeBSD Newbies" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 04:01:58 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_DU00QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All=0D =0D I also had the same problem. I reinstalled 4.9 today (major unrecoverabl= e mess in my setup, reinstall was the only option, but we wont get into tha= t here), several attempts, and found that I always had an error I have neve= r heard of, and darned if I can remember it now. I know I should have writt= en it down, but was blaming operator error at this stage, and just kept goin= g.=0D =0D I then popped in my trusty old 4.7 cd and oi oi oi, we are up and running= 20 mins later=0D =0D Is there a problem with 4.9 ? or did I get a dodgy distro ? I tried the suggested directions below, but did not solve my problem. Ahh well, thank goodness for ports and cvsup. ;) I guess that's the greatest thing about = BSD got a prob, well there is always an option.=0D =0D Regards=0D Andy=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rob copsey=0D Date: 05/01/2004 12:42:14 PM=0D To: Claude Fournier=0D Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=0D Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd=0D =0D Greetings,=0D =0D I've noticed that the sysinstall program has a small quirk.=0D If you elect to discontinue the installation process after=0D the filesystem has been created; subsequently restarting=0D the process without a reboot will yield an error.=0D =0D So, please attempt to install once again without choosing=0D to cancel and restart, if you haven't already done so.=0D =0D Good Luck & All the best,=0D Rob=0D =0D > I want to learn more about freebsd and consequently I have purchased=0D a new motherboard SYNTAX, DURON AMD integrated video card, sound and=0D ethernet. The computer has 256 MB of memory, an old western digital 6=0D GiG hard disk and a CDROM 40X. I burned the ISO image of 4.8 and 4.9=0D release and ran the SYSINSTALL. I can only go as far as : (1) unable=0D to swap to /dev/ad0s1b and (2) unable to make new root file system=0D on /dev/ad0s1a. Needless to say, I can not run freebsd. I created on=0D big slice, actually the whole hard disk, and partition according to=0D instructions selecting the auto option. Is there more information I=0D could get on how to get around this issue.=0D > Thank you.=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-=0D unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D >=0D >=0D =0D --=0D CoreComm Webmail.=0D http://home.core.com=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_DU00QL80000000000000-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 21:30:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADA716A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:30:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1676443D2F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 21:30:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from t.mangee@att.net) Received: from 204.127.135.29 ([204.127.135.29]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <20040105053024111006c1lce>; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 05:30:24 +0000 Received: from [67.116.54.180] by 204.127.135.29; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:30:24 +0000 From: t.mangee@att.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:30:24 +0000 Message-Id: <010520040530.4497.22b7@att.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 10 2003) X-Authenticated-Sender: dC5tYW5nZWVAYXR0Lm5ldA== Subject: Info wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:30:26 -0000 Hi I am considering setting up freeBSD as my net server and firewall. I need some direction and insights from the community if possible... -- Tom M From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 22:12:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B7116A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:12:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D0F43D4C for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 22:12:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D5B2B218BFA for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:13:36 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FF901DF.000006.02528@AKOZAK> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:19:11 +1000 Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_ZV6012S0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501324) From: "Andrew Kozak" References: <010520040530.4497.22b7@att.net> To: "FreeBSD Newbies" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Info wanted X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 06:12:30 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_ZV6012S0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D Hiya Tom=0D =0D Great choice, our server currently has 135 days uptime. I would like to g= et that sort of performance form any one of our windows boxes ;) I run Free= BSD as out gateway, firewall, mail server and content filtering for our compa= ny.=0D I would suggest having a read up on the following ports :-=0D squid, apache, postfix and http://www.schlacter net/public/FreeBSD-STABLE_and_IPFILTER.html is a good read on firewalls a= s well. If you have windows boxes on your network, it might be worth having= a look at samba too.=0D =0D Good Luck, I am sure you will not be disappointed.=0D =0D Andy=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: t.mangee@att.net=0D Date: 05/01/2004 03:32:15 PM=0D To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=0D Subject: Info wanted=0D =0D Hi=0D =0D I am considering setting up freeBSD as my net server and firewall. I nee= d=0D some direction and insights from the community if possible...=0D =0D =0D --=0D Tom M=0D _______________________________________________=0D freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_ZV6012S0000000000000-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 4 23:24:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E4816A4CE for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C85A43D1F for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id CD6B0218BFF for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:25:57 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FF912CA.000001.01972@AKOZAK> Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 17:31:22 +1000 Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_A8A0QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501324) From: "Andrew Kozak" References: <3FF8E345.000001.01568@AKOZAK> To: "FreeBSD Newbies" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:24:51 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_A8A0QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all=0D =0D Further to my email earlier (below) I thought I might have another go at installing 4.9, the error I have been getting is=0D =0D panic: contigmalloc1 size must be 0.=0D =0D Mean anything to anyone ?=0D =0D Andy=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Andrew Kozak=0D Date: 05/01/2004 02:08:37 PM=0D To: FreeBSD Newbies=0D Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd=0D =0D =0D Hi All=0D =0D I also had the same problem. I reinstalled 4.9 today (major unrecoverabl= e mess in my setup, reinstall was the only option, but we wont get into tha= t here), several attempts, and found that I always had an error I have neve= r heard of, and darned if I can remember it now. I know I should have writt= en it down, but was blaming operator error at this stage, and just kept goin= g.=0D =0D I then popped in my trusty old 4.7 cd and oi oi oi, we are up and running= 20 mins later=0D =0D Is there a problem with 4.9 ? or did I get a dodgy distro ? I tried the suggested directions below, but did not solve my problem. Ahh well, thank goodness for ports and cvsup. ;) I guess that's the greatest thing about = BSD got a prob, well there is always an option.=0D =0D Regards=0D Andy=0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: rob copsey=0D Date: 05/01/2004 12:42:14 PM=0D To: Claude Fournier=0D Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=0D Subject: Re: Unable to install freebsd=0D =0D Greetings,=0D =0D I've noticed that the sysinstall program has a small quirk.=0D If you elect to discontinue the installation process after=0D the filesystem has been created; subsequently restarting=0D the process without a reboot will yield an error.=0D =0D So, please attempt to install once again without choosing=0D to cancel and restart, if you haven't already done so.=0D =0D Good Luck & All the best,=0D Rob=0D =0D > I want to learn more about freebsd and consequently I have purchased=0D a new motherboard SYNTAX, DURON AMD integrated video card, sound and=0D ethernet. The computer has 256 MB of memory, an old western digital 6=0D GiG hard disk and a CDROM 40X. I burned the ISO image of 4.8 and 4.9=0D release and ran the SYSINSTALL. I can only go as far as : (1) unable=0D to swap to /dev/ad0s1b and (2) unable to make new root file system=0D on /dev/ad0s1a. Needless to say, I can not run freebsd. I created on=0D big slice, actually the whole hard disk, and partition according to=0D instructions selecting the auto option. Is there more information I=0D could get on how to get around this issue.=0D > Thank you.=0D > _______________________________________________=0D > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-=0D unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D >=0D >=0D =0D --=0D CoreComm Webmail.=0D http://home.core.com=0D =0D _______________________________________________=0D freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_A8A0QL80000000000000-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 11:07:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612C116A4D0 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD8343D1F for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:05:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3935 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ada1m-0003B9-3N for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 11:04:38 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:58:05 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN71F1; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:57:02 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:02:41 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> In-Reply-To: <200312261555.hBQFtN7l076080@mail3.mx.voyager.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401051102.41635.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Ada1m-0003B9-3N*qEYk65XP6Fg* Subject: Re: Re[2]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:07:20 -0000 Sorry for jumping in late, but I just got back from the Christmas holidays... On Friday 26 December 2003 07:55 am, rob copsey wrote: > This is a good question, and one that I've pondered too. > I think the people who developed the charter for this list > had premonitions of it becoming the "cliff notes" version > of the handbook for those who would intend to bypass the learning > process. So, in fairness to those who worked so hard preparing > the handbook and others who donate their time writing articles > and how-tos; this list isn't just a quick overview/summary. This list isn't meant to be "cliff notes". It's not to be any sort of technical support at all. There are several great lists for technical questions, and this isn't one of them. The reason is simple, but needs a bit of pondering to understand why. FreeBSD has an unparalled reputation of stability. This reputation would be destroyed if people new to FreeBSD got bad advice. So why would you get bad advice from this forum? Because we're all newbies! We don't know what we're talking about. Getting technical support from a newbie site is like (pardon the cliche) the blind leading the blind. It's silly. Just because random bits of bad advice from inexperienced users is the normal mode of support for Linux means that it we should do the same. We have lists that are monitored by experienced users. This is not one of them. The reason technical questions are not allowed here because they imply technical answers. Newbies aren't qualified to give complete and accurate answers to technical questions. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 11:50:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C87616A4CE for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net [169.207.3.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D628643D2D for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robc@execpc.com) Received: from mail0.mx.voyager.net (mail0.mx.voyager.net [216.93.66.205]) by out7.mx.nwbl.wi.voyager.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA2793562 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 13:50:43 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (nm2.mx.lnng.mi.voyager.net [216.93.38.228]) by mail0.mx.voyager.net (8.12.9/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i05Johrv079754 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200401051950.i05Johrv079754@mail0.mx.voyager.net> From: "rob copsey" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: CoreCommMail X-IPAddress: 67.52.12.10 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:52:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Invalid Partion - help on setting up loader X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 19:50:46 -0000 Thank you David! I was getting beat down with profane acronyms and now I'm scared of posting anything more on this topic . . . Whatever happened to good ol' manners and common courtesy? I appreciate the clarification. Regards, Rob > Sorry for jumping in late, but I just got back from the Christmas > holidays... > > On Friday 26 December 2003 07:55 am, rob copsey wrote: > > > This is a good question, and one that I've pondered too. > > I think the people who developed the charter for this list > > had premonitions of it becoming the "cliff notes" version > > of the handbook for those who would intend to bypass the learning > > process. So, in fairness to those who worked so hard preparing > > the handbook and others who donate their time writing articles > > and how-tos; this list isn't just a quick overview/summary. > > This list isn't meant to be "cliff notes". It's not to be any sort of > technical support at all. There are several great lists for technical > questions, and this isn't one of them. > > The reason is simple, but needs a bit of pondering to understand why. > FreeBSD has an unparalled reputation of stability. This reputation > would be destroyed if people new to FreeBSD got bad advice. > > So why would you get bad advice from this forum? Because we're all > newbies! We don't know what we're talking about. Getting technical > support from a newbie site is like (pardon the cliche) the blind > leading the blind. It's silly. Just because random bits of bad advice > from inexperienced users is the normal mode of support for Linux means > that it we should do the same. > > We have lists that are monitored by experienced users. This is not one > of them. The reason technical questions are not allowed here because > they imply technical answers. Newbies aren't qualified to give complete > and accurate answers to technical questions. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies- unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 02:48:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1105A16A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:48:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91443D48 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.2004.1) with SMTP id i08AmRcI066241 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 02:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 13944 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 10:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAZEN) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 10:48:24 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:47:42 +0400 Message-ID: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:48:31 -0000 Hi, What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or even Microsoft Outlook for Windows? TIA Cheers, Mazen S. Alzogbi www.MazenAlzogbi.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 05:11:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7D716A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from straycat.dhs.org (h0050da134090.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.91.148.154]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D900143D5A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: (qmail 15670 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 13:12:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.129?) (192.168.1.129) by 192.168.1.128 with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 13:12:26 -0000 From: Tom McLaughlin To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073567642.44197.5.camel@compass> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 08:14:03 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:11:47 -0000 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 05:47, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or even > Microsoft Outlook for Windows? > > TIA > > Cheers, > > Mazen S. Alzogbi > www.MazenAlzogbi.com > That would be Evolution... :-) It's in ports under mail/evolution. Tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 09:48:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938F116A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CE343D62 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:48:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.2004.1) with SMTP id i08Hm7Hv076699 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:48:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 68600 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 17:48:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.155.89?) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 17:48:06 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073584040.1811.1.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:47:21 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FTP client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:48:21 -0000 Hi, What FTP client should I use under GNOME? I need the ftp client to support deleting non-empty directories. Cheers, -- Mazen S. Alzogbi www.MazenAlzogbi.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 09:55:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C57F16A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C7743D82 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:55:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.2004.1) with SMTP id i08Ht4Hv080451 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 09:55:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 41771 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 16:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAZEN) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 16:55:01 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:54:22 +0400 Message-ID: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:55:21 -0000 Hi, I just installed GNOME on my machine and I am comparing it with KDE. KDE loads with much more applications and it even has a control center for system settings. FYI, I installed GNOME by pkg_add -rv gnome2. What am I missing? Cheers, Mazen S. Alzogbi www.MazenAlzogbi.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:26:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8582016A4D0 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040E943D5C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:26:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2020 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aeeqo-0004bf-68; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:25:46 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:19:07 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN85QY; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:18:05 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:23:47 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081023.47833.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aeeqo-0004bf-68*C2X6WPd8bi.* Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:26:01 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 02:47 am, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or > even Microsoft Outlook for Windows? It depends on what features you need. I've always found KMail to have everything I actually use. It's only a mail client, but a very good one. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:34:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00A616A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C77D43D58 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:34:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:37:38 -0600 Message-ID: <3FFDA266.1030105@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:33:10 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 18:37:39.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E30AE50:01C3D616] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:34:22 -0000 Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: >Hi, > >What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or even >Microsoft Outlook for Windows? > > > Mozilla. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:37:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E704316A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:37:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from qsmtp3.america.net (qsmtp3.america.net [69.60.160.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F31D43D45 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trey@fastmail.fm) Received: from [65.82.45.189] (helo=linux.local) by qsmtp3.america.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Aef2P-0002oc-00; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:37:45 -0500 From: Trey Sizemore To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" In-Reply-To: <1073584040.1811.1.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> References: <1073584040.1811.1.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073587148.4610.0.camel@linux.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Rubber Turnip www.usr-local-bin.org Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:39:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:37:49 -0000 On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:47, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > What FTP client should I use under GNOME? I need the ftp client to > support deleting non-empty directories. > > Cheers, Not sure if gFTP does this, but I've used it quite a bit. Very nice. -- Cheers, Trey --- Thieves respect property; they merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it. -- G.K. Chesterton, "The Man Who Was Thursday" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 10:45:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3311516A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AE943D5A for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:45:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3371 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aef9j-0006Ha-3g; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 10:45:19 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:38:39 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN858T; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:37:35 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:43:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aef9j-0006Ha-3g*Sz2dhz1x0LM* Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:45:32 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 08:54 am, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I just installed GNOME on my machine and I am comparing it with KDE. > KDE loads with much more applications and it even has a control > center for system settings. FYI, I installed GNOME by pkg_add -rv > gnome2. I'm a huge KDE fan. But I'm going to switch hats and defend GNOME for a while. KDE and GNOME have different philosophies of the desktop. Neither is correct. GNOME prefers to be a simpler desktop with fewer bundled applications (like Windows). KDE prefers to be a full featured desktop with more bundled applications (like OSX). Everything you can do in KDE you can do in GNOME, but you might have to install additional GNOME applications that aren't part of the gnome2 meta port. GNOME prefers a minimalist desktop with fewer user configurable options. You aren't able to "tweak" every little detail. KDE is the opposite, and prefers a wider feature set with configuration options for everything. There has been a minor "holy war" over these differences, as GNOME people say KDE is too difficult and that the large number of options in the control center scares away newbies, while KDE people say GNOME is too simplistic and presumes to know better than the user what the user should be doing. I'm in between. Try them both for an extended period of time (at least a week for both), and decide for yourself. Sidenote: GNOME does have a control center. I can't remember it's name off the top of my head, but it's one of the options available under the "Start Here" icon. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 11:15:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F9116A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:15:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A5C43D46 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:15:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.2004.1) with SMTP id i08JFIcs020629 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:15:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 97119 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2004 18:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.155.89?) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 8 Jan 2004 18:48:37 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: Trey Sizemore In-Reply-To: <1073587148.4610.0.camel@linux.local> References: <1073584040.1811.1.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> <1073587148.4610.0.camel@linux.local> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1073587664.2669.0.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 22:47:44 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:15:35 -0000 WOW! actually it does, Trey. Thanks for your help :) Cheers, Mazen On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 22:39, Trey Sizemore wrote: > Not sure if gFTP does this, but I've used it quite a bit. Very nice. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 11:41:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAB716A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:41:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailsvc.com (iowa.coinfotech.com [209.12.32.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607A443D45 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:41:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from apredoehl@go.mailsvc.com) Received: by mailsvc.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.8) with PIPE id 29272884; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:46:01 -0700 Received: from [212.42.97.42] (account apredoehl@go.mailsvc.com HELO drew) by mailsvc.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 29272862 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:45:53 -0700 Message-ID: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> From: "Andrew Predoehl" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 22:05:22 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-CIT-MailScanner-Information: Please contact 719-473-2800 for more information X-CIT-MailScanner: Not scanned for viruses: Contact Colorado Information Technologies at 1-866-469-3310 to add Virus and Spam filtering services X-CIT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Subject: What are they talking about??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:41:39 -0000 Hello! I'm reading with some interest the tempest that's a-blowin' on -chat, and as a newbie, I just got here and I'm wondering what the heck these people are talking about. A few questions (not -questions questions, just newbie questions): What's bikeshedding, or a bikeshed disagreement? What's the heck are GEOM and SMP? What's a WIKI? Anybody know a dictionary of these acronyms that I read all the time? I can figure out 90% of them but some of them (like PITA*) leave me mystified... Andrew * e.g., from freebsd-mobile vol. 42 #1 msg 3, 5 Jan 2004. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 11:47:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAD316A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7403043D3F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:47:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3970 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Aeg84-0004Wy-3G; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:47:40 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:41:00 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN87FK; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:40:00 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:45:42 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1073584040.1811.1.camel@MazenBSD.shuaacapital.co.ae> <1073587148.4610.0.camel@linux.local> In-Reply-To: <1073587148.4610.0.camel@linux.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081145.42872.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Aeg84-0004Wy-3G*U2PVHgikNJw* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:47:52 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 10:39 am, Trey Sizemore wrote: > On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 12:47, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What FTP client should I use under GNOME? I need the ftp client to > > support deleting non-empty directories. > > Not sure if gFTP does this, but I've used it quite a bit. Very nice. If you end up using KDE instead of GNOME, you should try Konqueror as well. If you point it to an FTP site then it will browse the site using the file manager. This is very convenient for drag-n-drop, changing permissions on remote files, ...and deleting non-empty directories. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 11:59:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F5616A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF8943D53 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:59:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from 24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1275824 for multiple; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:52:14 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:00:07 -0600 (CST) From: Lute Mullenix X-X-Sender: lute@agnes To: Johnson David In-Reply-To: <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Message-ID: <20040108132134.K94362@agnes> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:59:33 -0000 While I do use apps that are written for both Gnome and KDE I do not use either one of them because I don't like the way they do things, but I guess a lot of that might be from being from the command line age. One of the first things I do when ever installing an app is to learn all of the keyboard shortcuts I am going to be using, I don't like mice that much. Guess where I am going with this is, OK you can install both Gnome and KDE and give them an extended try to decide which one you like better. Which is not a bad idea, but far from the only option when you move into the Open Source *nix world. I used KDE for a few weeks when I first started with Linux. SuSE installed it by default and it took a while for me to figure out how to use something else. I have never looked back. Used Icewm for a while then Blackbox, both light weight, fast, easy to setup and use. Am currently using xfce-4, which is a desk top environment I guess but doesn't have the look or feel of (the two biggies) KDE or Gnome, and is also fairly light weight and fast. The point I'm trying to make here is chances are your first install of FBSD is most likely just for playing with, so play. You may end up running Gnome or KDE, but more likely you will end up using one of the other WMs and really setting things up the way you like them. Heck you may even end up using twm, but I doubt that. Anyway, go to the ports collection, check out your options in the x11-wm dir, there are enough in there to keep you busy for quit some time. This ain't Windows, so why try to make it act like Windows? Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Johnson David wrote: > > KDE and GNOME have different philosophies of the desktop. Neither is > correct. GNOME prefers to be a simpler desktop with fewer bundled > applications (like Windows). KDE prefers to be a full featured desktop > with more bundled applications (like OSX). Everything you can do in KDE > you can do in GNOME, but you might have to install additional GNOME > applications that aren't part of the gnome2 meta port. > > GNOME prefers a minimalist desktop with fewer user configurable options. > You aren't able to "tweak" every little detail. KDE is the opposite, > and prefers a wider feature set with configuration options for > everything. There has been a minor "holy war" over these differences, > as GNOME people say KDE is too difficult and that the large number of > options in the control center scares away newbies, while KDE people say > GNOME is too simplistic and presumes to know better than the user what > the user should be doing. > > I'm in between. Try them both for an extended period of time (at least a > week for both), and decide for yourself. > > Sidenote: GNOME does have a control center. I can't remember it's name > off the top of my head, but it's one of the options available under the > "Start Here" icon. > > David > _______________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:02:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C8116A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1139643D67 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4805 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AegLb-0005V0-3s; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:01:39 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:54:59 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN87N2; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:53:59 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Andrew Predoehl , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 11:59:41 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> In-Reply-To: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081159.41767.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AegLb-0005V0-3s*dwUXwS3nPJQ* Subject: Re: What are they talking about??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:02:18 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 09:05 am, Andrew Predoehl wrote: > Hello! I'm reading with some interest the tempest that's a-blowin' > on -chat, and as a newbie, I just got here and I'm wondering what the > heck these people are talking about. A few questions (not -questions > questions, just newbie questions): What's bikeshedding, or a > bikeshed disagreement? What's the heck are GEOM and SMP? What's a > WIKI? Anybody know a dictionary of these acronyms that I read all > the time? I can figure out 90% of them but some of them (like PITA*) > leave me mystified... Ha! Bikeshedding is discussed in the FreeBSD FAQ. As far as I know (AFAIK), this term is only used regularly in the BSD communities. In essence, it refers to a Bikeshed Construction Committee, where people who know nothing about building bikesheds argue over what color the bikeshed should be. They're not doing this to be destructive or argumentative, but they are keenly interested in bikesheds, but not knowing anything about it, fallback to discussions of colors. A good example would be a hypothetical group set up to create a GUI installer for FreeBSD. The group ends up imploding over arguments on Qt versus GTK+ versus FOX versus Tk, or shell versus perl versus python versus ruby. SMP is "symmetric multiprocessing", or systems with multiple CPUs. GEOM has something to do with a filesystem infrastructure. More info at the FreeBSD site. WIKI is a type of web site where users can edit the content. PITA means "pain in the ass", as in "these acronyms are a PITA!" David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:19:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC4516A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:19:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3E643D5E for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1781 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AegcS-0006ru-4K; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 12:19:04 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:12:24 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN87WF; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:11:24 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Lute Mullenix Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:17:06 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040108132134.K94362@agnes> In-Reply-To: <20040108132134.K94362@agnes> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081217.06498.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AegcS-0006ru-4K*Wn5jSSKXRrk* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:19:22 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 12:00 pm, Lute Mullenix wrote: > The point I'm trying to make here is chances are your first install > of FBSD is most likely just for playing with, so play. You may end up > running Gnome or KDE, but more likely you will end up using one of > the other WMs and really setting things up the way you like them. > Heck you may even end up using twm, but I doubt that. Anyway, go to > the ports collection, check out your options in the x11-wm dir, there > are enough in there to keep you busy for quit some time. In other words, while all the Linux distributions are busy trying to figure out what desktop to officially support, at FreeBSD we're asking the question "why the heck do we want a default desktop anyway?" > This ain't Windows, so why try to make it act like Windows? Oh man, I resent that! If they were like Windows I wouldn't touch either with a ten foot pole! Windowmaker, as a plain vanilla window manager, has more functionality than the Windows "desktop". David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:24:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41E516A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CC743D3F for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:24:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from 24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1279972 for multiple; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:16:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:24:47 -0600 (CST) From: Lute Mullenix X-X-Sender: lute@agnes To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Message-ID: <20040108140800.K94362@agnes> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F558@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:24:11 -0000 Well you do have some options, I didn't like Evolution all that much, but Sylpheed-claws built with the spell option is fast and very nice. It also give you a built in news reader, though I prefer Pan for my news group uses. You could also try Thunderbird, but it seems kind of slow to me. Or you could use one of the console mail clients like Mutt or Pine, which is what I am using at the moment. Spruce was Ok too, but I like having the spell checker which is why I went with Sylpheed-claws for a GUI client. Here again, check out the options, install a few and give them a try, granted that can be a PITA for a while when you end up with mail in a few different boxes, but that way you will know what one YOU like and you never know, it may turn out that like some of us, you end up using a console client for your email chores. Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or even > Microsoft Outlook for Windows? > > TIA > > Cheers, > > Mazen S. Alzogbi > www.MazenAlzogbi.com > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:29:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C683216A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A4843D46 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:29:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from 192.168.0.200 (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.134]) i08KNd7O024663 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:23:39 -0800 From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:29:15 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 To: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401081229.15959.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020919) (enterprise.sd73.bc.ca) Subject: Re: What are they talking about??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:29:29 -0000 On January 8, 2004 09:05 am, Andrew Predoehl wrote: > Hello! I'm reading with some interest the tempest that's a-blowin' > on -chat, and as a newbie, I just got here and I'm wondering what the > heck these people are talking about. A few questions (not -questions > questions, just newbie questions): What's bikeshedding, or a > bikeshed disagreement? What's the heck are GEOM and SMP? What's a > WIKI? Anybody know a dictionary of these acronyms that I read all > the time? I can figure out 90% of them but some of them (like PITA*) > leave me mystified... For general acronyms, use http://www.acronymfinder.com For information on bikesheds, check the FreeBSD FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html And, for information on GEOM, SMP, and the like, read through the release notes and other documentation for FreeBSD 5.x. There are links to these on the main http://www.freebsd.org website. -- Freddie Cash District HelpDesk / Network Admin http://www.sd73.bc.ca From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:36:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B0B16A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:36:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BF943D49 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:35:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:39:15 -0600 Message-ID: <3FFDBEE7.70408@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 14:34:47 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Predoehl References: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> In-Reply-To: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2004 20:39:16.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BBEDB40:01C3D627] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are they talking about??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:36:00 -0000 Andrew Predoehl wrote: >Hello! I'm reading with some interest the tempest that's a-blowin' on -chat, >and as a newbie, I just got here and I'm wondering what the heck these people >are talking about. A few questions (not -questions questions, just newbie >questions): What's bikeshedding, or a bikeshed disagreement? What's the heck >are GEOM and SMP? What's a WIKI? Anybody know a dictionary of these acronyms >that I read all the time? I can figure out 90% of them but some of them (like >PITA*) leave me mystified... > >Andrew > >* e.g., from freebsd-mobile vol. 42 #1 msg 3, 5 Jan 2004. > > > PITA isn't too hard. If your American, anyway ... it starts out "Pain in the..." I'd recommend that you cruise Eric S. Raymond "Jargon File" for some of the lingo. Great stuff, and since you're interacting with hacker culture, it's a "must read." I wouldn't read it all at once, though, 'cause it's addictive...maybe bookmark it in your browser. ;) GEOM and SMP are technologies that are being implemented (more or less) in FreeBSD at the current time. GEOM is about disks/filesystems, but I don't know much about it. SMP is "symmetric multi-processing", IIRC. A WIKI is some acronym for a community-type/ cooperative web site, I think. Best try Google for that. As for a bikeshed disagreement, I believe that's also in the ESR I recommended to you. Basically, though, it's something like this...In any group of people, if you say you're going to build a great big skyscraper (or $foo), people will just sit and (therefore) silently give assent to your project, because they no nothing about skyscraper ($foo) building and assume that you do, hence they leave you alone, let you work, and generally keep their opinions to themselves. Conversely, everyone thinks that they know how to build a bikeshed...... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 12:55:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBF616A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7A543D2D for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1284922 for multiple; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 13:48:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:55:59 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: Johnson David , FBSD Newbies Message-Id: <20040108145559.401255fc@agnes> In-Reply-To: <200401081217.06498.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040108132134.K94362@agnes> <200401081217.06498.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:55:24 -0000 On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 12:17:06 -0800 Johnson David insisted: > > In other words, while all the Linux distributions are busy > trying to figure out what desktop to officially support, at > FreeBSD we're asking the question "why the heck do we want a > default desktop anyway?" > Well it's what I ask anyway, and once you learn a little about X it's not a big deal to change your wm from time to time. Though I have been using xfce-4 for a couple of months now, it's still fun to run blackbox for a few days, or Icewm, just cuz. > > This ain't Windows, so why try to make it act like Windows? > > Oh man, I resent that! If they were like Windows I wouldn't > touch either with a ten foot pole! Windowmaker, as a plain > vanilla window manager, has more functionality than the > Windows "desktop". > > David I certainly didn't mean to offend, but you make my point with your statement. Windowmaker as well as most of the other window managers out there on their own will allow you to have a fully functioning, and very usable desktop without all the goo-gaas that in my line of thinking just suck system resources without really adding anything useful. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 17:26:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABBE16A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:26:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3F843D41 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 92B66218BF8 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:27:13 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FFE04D6.000004.02116@AKOZAK> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 11:33:10 +1000 Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_AB87BHK0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501324) From: "Andrew Kozak" References: <3FFE047A.000001.02116@AKOZAK> To: "FreeBSD Newbies" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 01:26:08 -0000 --------------Boundary-00=_AB87BHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.=0D Date: 09/01/2004 04:36:06 AM=0D To: Mazen S. Alzogbi=0D Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=0D Subject: Re: Ximian's Evolution-like mail client=0D =0D Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote:=0D =0D >Hi,=0D >=0D >What's the best mail client available for FreeBSD like Evolution or even= =0D >Microsoft Outlook for Windows?=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D Mozilla.=0D =0D Hiya=0D =0D Having used both, I would say that evolution and mozilla offer similar features, as I am using an old machine (P2 128M RAM) I have noticed a performance difference between the two, I found evolution to be a little quicker, and easier to install. However, mozilla offers some nice feature= s as well, but I have only installed it with the browser, and the java issu= es are a bt of a pain, Suns java download site seems to be unavailable nearl= y every time I wish to fetch something. They are the closest clients to Outlook that I have found in the ports collection. If you like a M$ environment, try a look at qv window manager, I thought it was most amusi= ng :) Looks just like 95.=0D =0D Andy=0D _______________________________________________=0D freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list=0D http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies=0D To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= "=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_AB87BHK0000000000000-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 18:22:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F1416A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F15543D4C for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:22:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBA52BD5B for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:22:34 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 966E85121A; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:52:32 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 12:52:32 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Johnson David Message-ID: <20040109022232.GD7617@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <005601c3d61e$fcad88e0$0100007f@kafu.east.kz> <200401081159.41767.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="R7WL3tS/SfNiSAWN" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200401081159.41767.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Andrew Predoehl cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What are they talking about??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 02:22:38 -0000 --R7WL3tS/SfNiSAWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 8 January 2004 at 11:59:41 -0800, Johnson David wrote: > On Thursday 08 January 2004 09:05 am, Andrew Predoehl wrote: >> Hello! I'm reading with some interest the tempest that's a-blowin' >> on -chat, and as a newbie, I just got here and I'm wondering what the >> heck these people are talking about. A few questions (not -questions >> questions, just newbie questions): What's bikeshedding, or a >> bikeshed disagreement? What's the heck are GEOM and SMP? What's a >> WIKI? Anybody know a dictionary of these acronyms that I read all >> the time? I can figure out 90% of them but some of them (like PITA*) >> leave me mystified... > > Ha! > > Bikeshedding is discussed in the FreeBSD FAQ. As far as I know (AFAIK), > this term is only used regularly in the BSD communities. In essence, it > refers to a Bikeshed Construction Committee, where people who know > nothing about building bikesheds argue over what color the bikeshed > should be. They're not doing this to be destructive or argumentative, > but they are keenly interested in bikesheds, but not knowing anything > about it, fallback to discussions of colors. Hmm, not quite. Building a bike shed isn't difficult, so everybody wants to chip in. By contrast, design considerations for SMP are difficult, so only few people get involved. The implication is thus that simple questions get discussed to death, while the complicated ones get few answers, quite the contrary of what people want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --R7WL3tS/SfNiSAWN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE//hBoIubykFB6QiMRAgHhAKCvSOQ1AOEYbHDIvqCdyQPGEL4OjQCfZj2f sQVX3xtfB0DeO6lsWggjLlg= =KYOa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --R7WL3tS/SfNiSAWN-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 20:03:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B3616A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:03:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.richardflanagan.com.au (gateway.richardflanagan.com.au [203.149.71.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD93F43D41 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:03:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from akozak@richardflanagan.com.au) Received: from akozak (akozak.richardflanagan.com.au [192.168.0.21]) by mail.richardflanagan.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id C1A99218BF9 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:04:40 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3FFE29BB.000003.02628@AKOZAK> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:10:35 +1000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501324) From: "Andrew Kozak" To: "FreeBSD Newbies" X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 Subject: contgmalloc1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 04:03:33 -0000 Hi all I am trying to install FreeBSD on a P3 800 machine with 20 G HDD, but keep getting the error panic: contigmalloc1: size must be 0. I know that this is a -questions question, but I have posted there with no replies. I was just wondering if anyone in here has had this problem or has seen a post somewhere. I have tried to install FreeBSD 4.9 and 5.1 with the same problem 4.7 will install, but badly, drivers don't work properly, screens shift and distort - it's not pretty. From the posts I have read, it seems that the chipset I have - the Ali (Alladdin) chipset is the culprit. I have read several posts, but I cannot seem to find a fix, and I am busting to try FreeBSD on something a little more advanced than my P200, mozilla and OOo are struggling on it. If there is no fix, and I am resigned to running windows on this box I have one more question - Anyone want to buy a P3 800 with 128MB RAM modem, burner and 10/100 NIC - going cheap :-)~ Andy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 23:18:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67F116A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law11-oe29.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA1543D45 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:18:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ericdgreene@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 23:10:44 -0800 Received: from 166.90.111.233 by law11-oe29.law11.hotmail.com with DAV; Thu, 08 Jan 2004 20:03:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [166.90.111.233] X-Originating-Email: [ericdgreene@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ericdgreene@hotmail.com From: "Eric Greene" To: References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F55F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401081043.18012.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 14:46:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2004 07:10:44.0361 (UTC) FILETIME=[B2B08790:01C3D67F] Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 07:18:30 -0000 Thanks for the informative post on those differences. As a total non-M$-OS newbie, I am enjoying GNOME just fine; I've yet to give KDE much of a go. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson David" To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" ; Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: Re: GNOME is poor, is it? > On Thursday 08 January 2004 08:54 am, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just installed GNOME on my machine and I am comparing it with KDE. > > KDE loads with much more applications and it even has a control > > center for system settings. FYI, I installed GNOME by pkg_add -rv > > gnome2. > > I'm a huge KDE fan. But I'm going to switch hats and defend GNOME for a > while. > > KDE and GNOME have different philosophies of the desktop. Neither is > correct. GNOME prefers to be a simpler desktop with fewer bundled > applications (like Windows). KDE prefers to be a full featured desktop > with more bundled applications (like OSX). Everything you can do in KDE > you can do in GNOME, but you might have to install additional GNOME > applications that aren't part of the gnome2 meta port. > > GNOME prefers a minimalist desktop with fewer user configurable options. > You aren't able to "tweak" every little detail. KDE is the opposite, > and prefers a wider feature set with configuration options for > everything. There has been a minor "holy war" over these differences, > as GNOME people say KDE is too difficult and that the large number of > options in the control center scares away newbies, while KDE people say > GNOME is too simplistic and presumes to know better than the user what > the user should be doing. > > I'm in between. Try them both for an extended period of time (at least a > week for both), and decide for yourself. > > Sidenote: GNOME does have a control center. I can't remember it's name > off the top of my head, but it's one of the options available under the > "Start Here" icon. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 10:45:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A2016A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC53043D1D for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:3695 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Af1dK-0002WK-3V; Fri, 09 Jan 2004 10:45:22 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:38:39 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN9QGM; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:37:37 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Andrew Kozak , FreeBSD Newbies Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:43:20 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <3FFE29BB.000003.02628@AKOZAK> In-Reply-To: <3FFE29BB.000003.02628@AKOZAK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401091043.20916.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Af1dK-0002WK-3V*.9h9dB84bTQ* Subject: Re: contgmalloc1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:45:38 -0000 On Thursday 08 January 2004 08:10 pm, Andrew Kozak wrote: > Hi all > > I am trying to install FreeBSD on a P3 800 machine with 20 G HDD, but > keep getting the error panic: contigmalloc1: size must be 0. I know > that this is a -questions question, but I have posted there with no > replies. I was just wondering if anyone in here has had this problem > or has seen a post somewhere. I have tried to install FreeBSD 4.9 and > 5.1 with the same problem 4.7 will install, but badly, drivers don't > work properly, screens shift and distort - it's not pretty. From the > posts I have read, it seems that the chipset I have - the Ali > (Alladdin) chipset is the culprit. I have read several posts, but I > cannot seem to find a fix, and I am busting to try FreeBSD on > something a little more advanced than my P200, mozilla and OOo are > struggling on it. I had problems once with one of the Aladdin chips, but it was fixed in the very next release of FreeBSD. For a chipset this old it should be supported however. But no OS is perfect. Before you give up, try two more things. First search the development and hardware lists for your chipset. Do the same for the bug database. Second, give 5.2 a shot (there is an ISO of 5.3-RC2 available now). The reason is that there may already be a fix, but it's only available in -CURRENT. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 19:10:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CFA16A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F643D48 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0A3A0FR093898 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0A3A0Uk093896 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 19:10:00 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200401100310.i0A3A0Uk093896@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:10:06 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 9 21:36:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFB516A4CE for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:36:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from web16803.mail.tpe.yahoo.com (web16803.mail.tpe.yahoo.com [202.1.236.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 57E7243D46 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:36:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrewxwang@yahoo.com.tw) Message-ID: <20040110053650.3273.qmail@web16803.mail.tpe.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.49.80.114] by web16803.mail.tpe.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:36:50 CST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:36:50 +0800 (CST) From: =?big5?q?Andrew=20Wang?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:46:32 -0800 Subject: kernel question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 05:36:52 -0000 Hi, I would like to recompile the kernel, but my machine is slow. Can I use my friend's machine instead? I won't get root access, so can the kernel source be placed in a different location (all in my home directory)? (I don't think he would like to sym link stuff from one place to the other.) Thanks, Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 每天都 Yahoo!奇摩 海的顏色、風的氣息、愛你的溫度，盡在信紙底圖 http://tw.promo.yahoo.com/mail_premium/stationery.html