From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 00:10:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345CF16A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121AE43D2F; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9CAE071; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73202-04; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 48987AE06A; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040321081001.48987AE06A@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-02-29 - 2004-03-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:10:11 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 11:08:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB74D16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from more.smaller.net (more.smaller.net [216.110.205.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7260A43D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shines@smaller.net) Received: (qmail 28355 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 19:08:34 -0000 Received: from c-24-21-225-44.client.comcast.net (HELO sal) (24.21.225.44) by more.smaller.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 19:08:34 -0000 From: "Sally Hines" To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:08:34 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003201c40ec1$06775f60$6c01a8c0@sal> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Rating: more.smaller.net 0/1/N Subject: RE: Responses to my posts X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:08:35 -0000 Over some argument from one user of the list, I will paraphrase the = advice and information I got offline from other users. None of this information = or advice was technical. More than one writer advised to not receive the -questions list to my = email box, but to maintain subscription and simply research the list at http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=3Den&lr=3Dlang_en&ie=3DUTF-8&group=3Dl= ucky.freebs d.questions or=20 http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ and specifically for my issue = "Just as /usr/src/UPDATING has definitive information on upgrading FreeBSD, there has recently been created a /usr/ports/UPDATING" BTW, my issue is resolved. Not through any of the responses here, though eventually they would have led to resolution, but through my son-in-law FreeBSD guru. I finally got his attention. Other good information I received by private email, that would have been helpful to have seen on this list was: "Please search the mailing list archives before posting. If someone else recently received a relevant response, you can save time & hassle (on everyone's part) by doing this." "Its not necessary to subscribe to any mailing list that you wish to = read. You can view the current week's lists." at the above noted urls One writer said "I read almost all the lists online without piling up in = my mailbox. Its much easier to be selective about what to read this way." Which is very helpful information for me. And in that direction, "You do not have to subscribe to the freebsd-questions mailing list in order to post a question. Most people will CC: you on any response, but it wouldn't hurt to remind them that = you are not subscribed and would appreciate a CC." So I will do that. So, when I mentioned my difficulty understanding the man pages, this information was also informative and helpful. "That is an excellent = start. When you first start trying to learn new things, its often necessary to build a foundation to work from. Once you have that foundation, then = things start to click and those manual pages start to make sense. They're not meant to be tutorials, but references." And in reference to my mention of a specific error message a = correspondent replied, "That error message is important. That is what people on the -questions mailing list will need to see in order to offer any = assistance. I will point out that there is a new document been added that may be of help: /usr/ports/UPDATING This document contains issues that may affect you during port updating. Give that a read and see if that may help with your problem." And I found this very encouraging in letting me know that the -questions list may be less daunting. "If not, then review http://www.lemis.com/questions.html and send your question to the list. = If you don't understand the responses, just ask for more clarification. = This also helps add more to the archives which help others in the future." And another very good tip was "Get a mail reader that can sort by = threads :) I see that you're using outlook - It may or may not. Any MUA worth it's salt will sort by thread, and that is the _only_ way to manage freebsd-questions.." I thank all those that did reply to me directly. The help was wonderful, = in that it helps me to feel less overwhelmed by the OS and the information management system. Now, if the owner/operator of this list has a problem with the message I = am posting, please tell me specifically what the problem is. None of the information was technical in nature, and none of the replies I got was = any more technical than what I quoted here. I fear that some of the "can't post that here" flames have kept good information like this from getting posted to the list, where it will be helpful to real newbies, trying to use the information system available. Sally Hines A Granny Newbie -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Sally Hines Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:19 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Responses to my posts I have received some replies to my post responding to the = FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community thread. I want to thank everyone that = has responded. The posts have been very helpful and informative.=20 Had these posts appeared on the list in the past I probably would not = have the issues I have now with FreeBSD and getting my own help. = Unfortunately, the discouragement from answering questions on the list have really compromised the stated purpose of the list, to encourage the newbie in = using the resources available to get useful results.=20 I would like to either request permission from the folks that have = posted to me, to send their replies back to the list, or to ask the posters to = send the replies directly to the list. Patient, helpful advice on how to use the resources available is = invaluable, and necessary for this list to function, I believe. I've been on this = list for a year now, and have never seen this type of post to the open list. = I wish I had, as I'd be very much farther in my exploration of and = learning the FreeBSD system. Pardon my long run-on sentences. But I do appreciate the help I've = gotten today, and I'd really like to see this list provide that help to all the newbies that subscribe. Sally Hines Little Old Granny newbie _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 13:01:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686F616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.infinitebubble.com (pia140-70.pioneernet.net [66.114.140.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AF443D41 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@infinitebubble.com) Received: from aurvandil (aurvandil.infinitebubble.com [192.168.1.1]) by mail.infinitebubble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79A633CE3; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:14:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <405E02C3.2020301@infinitebubble.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 13:01:55 -0800 From: Jason Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Rue References: <20040319030343.GA21807@wantadilla.lemis.com> <002001c40ea7$78391270$6c01a8c0@sal> <20040320210625.GF652@therub.org> In-Reply-To: <20040320210625.GF652@therub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0403-14, 03/18/2004), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:01:50 -0000 Dan Rue wrote: >On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 10:16:30AM -0800, Sally Hines wrote: > > >>How can I ask a question on the -questions list and get the response? I >>cannot read them all, they are too many for me. >> >> > >Get a mail reader that can sort by threads :) I see that you're using >outlook - It may or may not. Any MUA worth it's salt will sort by >thread, and that is the _only_ way to manage freebsd-questions.. > >Dan >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > FWIW, Outlook can sort by thread. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:50:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C4716A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074D843D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:50:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uidzero@one-arm.com) Received: from one-arm.com ([166.102.51.13]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20040322005043.UPJU2670.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@one-arm.com> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:50:43 -0600 Message-ID: <405E3861.6010609@one-arm.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:50:41 -0600 From: uidzero User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040321) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:50:44 -0000 Lucas Holt wrote: > Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster. I don't like > when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to > scroll all day. The other irritant is people who actually post in the > middle of messages. That breaks the "FLOW" as well. After someone > replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read. > > How about a new convention. Delete everything but the last reply in > the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post. I can live > with that as a top poster. If I don't have to scroll all day to > bottom post, its not a big deal. > > The bottom line is that people reply. This list is here to help users > with FreeBSD. I'd take an answer to my questions in any format! > I'm the same way. I take out everything but the last post. (including any .sigs) As for reading them any other way, I like them like I'm doing now or sectioned off to answer the questions or what not as they come down. eg... Original E-mail: > Question: Is this proper? Next e-mail: Answer: Sure, IMHO Original E-mail: > Question: Are you sure? Next e-mail: Answer: of course. :) Otherwise, hey everyone. I'm Michael and I'm new to the list. :) Been using Linux si nce 98 and for the past 5 days, I've done nothing but FreeBSD. bigbsd~>>> uname -a FreeBSD bigbsd.one-arm.com 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Sat Mar 20 15:14:02 CST 2004 root@bigbsd.one-arm.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW-BSD i386 bigbsd~>>> df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/da0s1a 126M 59M 57M 51% / /dev/da0s1f 252M 10.0K 232M 0% /tmp /dev/da0s1g 15G 9.6G 4.4G 68% /usr /dev/da0s1e 252M 34M 198M 15% /var procfs 4.0K 4.0K 0B 100% /proc /dev/ad4s1 56G 690M 51G 1% /mnt/storage bigbsd~>>> I'm not quite brave enough to go to 5.2.1. :) I must say, in the last 5 days, I've learned more about FreeBSD than I really learned about Linux since '98. :) Thanks, Michael -- Michael D. Whities uidzero@one-arm.com http://www.one-arm.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 16:56:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFF416A4D0 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:56:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net (ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net [166.102.165.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190B243D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 16:56:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uidzero@one-arm.com) Received: from one-arm.com ([166.102.51.13]) by ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net with ESMTP id <20040322005639.URUS2670.ispmxmta09-srv.alltel.net@one-arm.com> for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:56:39 -0600 Message-ID: <405E39C8.9040308@one-arm.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:56:40 -0600 From: uidzero User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040321) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies References: <20040319172130.GB2044@cs025_2k> <20040319174618.GH64130@keyslapper.org> <20040319223506.GA63254@bhunter.net> <20040320195318.GA923@alex.lan> <20040321014349.GJ52612@wantadilla.lemis.com> <405E3861.6010609@one-arm.com> In-Reply-To: <405E3861.6010609@one-arm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Top posting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 00:56:40 -0000 Sorry, wrong list. :( Michael From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:37:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:37:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C27543D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322033702.14696.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:37:02 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:37:02 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:37:04 -0000 ===== -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- BeOS Air You have to pay for the tickets, but they're half the price of Windows Air, and if you are an aircraft mechanic you can probably ride for free. It only takes 15 minutes to get to the airport and you are cheuferred there in a limozine. BeOS Air only has limited types of planes that only hold new luggage. All planes are single seaters and the model names all start with an "F" (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.). The plane will fly you to your destination on autopilot in half the time of other Airways or you can fly the plane yourself. There are limited destinations, but they are only places you'd want to go to anyway. You tell all your friends how great BeOS Air is and all they say is "What do you mean I can't bring all my old baggage with me?" ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:38:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E716A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DADA043D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:38:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322033854.12632.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:38:54 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:38:54 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: can I read FreeBSD partitions from another hard drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:38:56 -0000 Hi, I installed FreeBSD on a hard disk with 2 slices. One is an NTFS(slice 1) and the other for FreeBSD (slice 2). Is it possible to view FreeBSD partitions within the second slice from another FreeBSD installation that I have? How can I do this, as I believe FreeBSD can only read slices but not partitions within a slice. Both are IDE hard disks for x86 arch, thanks in advance Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:40:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A9316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:40:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E800243D3F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:40:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:13 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:13 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: make options X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:14 -0000 hi, I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know the various options we can specify during make such as WITH_GUI=yes How can I know them for a given port? thanks in advance ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:40:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105BB16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:40:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8433543D2F for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:40:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322034050.43601.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:50 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:50 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: mplayer questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:40:52 -0000 Hi, I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was successfully installed. However, I want to know if mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along with mplayer? thanks Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:41:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8FF16A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw4.prodigy.net (mtaw4.prodigy.net [64.164.98.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0482443D2F; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (9baf03426531f023f70622a80881dd03@adsl-67-119-53-203.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.203]) by mtaw4.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2M3fVqs004604; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C0B8952145; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:41:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:41:31 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20040322034131.GA61939@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make options X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:41:33 -0000 --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:40:13AM +0000, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > hi,=20 >=20 > I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know > the various options we can specify during make such as > WITH_GUI=3Dyes >=20 > How can I know them for a given port? Read the port makefile. Kris --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXmBrWry0BWjoQKURAiemAJ4kkDiyb6iGTThO6tBlVTJeCcpPNQCg7r4/ 0F3D8DFzVkYRD1RS/u+MdWI= =5hfZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:42:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E041E16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:42:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2486A43D45 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:42:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322034257.41365.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:42:57 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:42:57 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040322033702.14696.qmail@web25004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: OT: (Re: none) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:42:59 -0000 sorry, I hit the enter key by mistake. --- Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > ===== -- K E S H A V T A D I M E T I -- BeOS Air You have to pay for the tickets, but they're half the price of Windows Air, and if you are an aircraft mechanic you can probably ride for free. It only takes 15 minutes to get to the airport and you are cheuferred there in a limozine. BeOS Air only has limited types of planes that only hold new luggage. All planes are single seaters and the model names all start with an "F" (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.). The plane will fly you to your destination on autopilot in half the time of other Airways or you can fly the plane yourself. There are limited destinations, but they are only places you'd want to go to anyway. You tell all your friends how great BeOS Air is and all they say is "What do you mean I can't bring all my old baggage with me?" ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 19:51:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ACA16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0334743D2D for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:51:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kaeru@pd.jaring.my) Received: from unknown (HELO ?219.95.57.167?) (khairil?yusof@219.95.57.167 with plain) by smtp015.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 03:51:07 -0000 From: Khairil Yusof To: Tadimeti Keshav In-Reply-To: <20040322034050.43601.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040322034050.43601.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Bsc1dOpVrVwwgS0syjHd" Message-Id: <1079927463.971.1.camel@wolverine.cerebro.net.my> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.5.5FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:51:04 +0800 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 03:51:09 -0000 --=-Bsc1dOpVrVwwgS0syjHd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 03:40 +0000, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was > successfully installed. However, I want to know if > mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI > frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along > with mplayer? If you make it with WITH_GUI, then it will have a gtk12 gui interface with skins. You start it with gmplayer. -- "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT i386 11:49am up 32 mins, 3 users, load averages: 0.61, 0.56, 0.50 --=-Bsc1dOpVrVwwgS0syjHd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAXmKnDAqnLW/+/X8RApofAJ0SMzEHhANt2NDcB4RKA49jUHafwgCfY4TG gV8jmvUlmzjyQco8sJjQ270= =EVgU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Bsc1dOpVrVwwgS0syjHd-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 20:33:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2786B16A4CF for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48D9243D31 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:33:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.195] by web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:33:07 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:33:07 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: MUTA X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:33:11 -0000 hi all, I know MUTAs are used to fetch mail from POP servers and send mails (via SMTP) such as HOTPOP.com I am confused what I should install. Mutt,pine,fetchmail... All I need is Microsoft outlook functionality. I am more than happy to use curses/CLI based mail clients. Any help or pointers will be appreciated, Thx Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 20:40:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6406416A4CE; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274E043D49; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:40:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:41:16 -0600 Message-ID: <405E6E4A.1060805@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:40:42 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav References: <20040322034050.43601.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040322034050.43601.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2004 04:41:16.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9D7F790:01C40FC7] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mplayer questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 04:40:45 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >Hi, > >I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was >successfully installed. However, I want to know if >mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI >frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along >with mplayer? > >thanks >Tk > > > mplayer is cli; it has a GUI counterpart. Try "whereis gmplayer" at the prompt and see if the GUI version is also present. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 21 21:15:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF2416A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from dsl-mail.kamp.net (mail.kamp-dsl.de [195.62.99.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AE3D43D5A for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 21:15:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@pukruppa.de) Received: (qmail 25621 invoked by uid 505); 22 Mar 2004 05:15:04 -0000 Received: from root@pukruppa.de by dsl-mail by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (spamassassin: 2.43. Clear:SA:0(0.0/5.0):. Processed in 0.222802 secs); 22 Mar 2004 05:15:04 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 Received: from unknown (HELO reverse-213-146-114-24.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) (213.146.114.24) by dsl-mail.kamp.net with SMTP; 22 Mar 2004 05:15:03 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 06:28:24 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Ulrich Kruppa X-X-Sender: root@pukruppa.net To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= In-Reply-To: <20040322033854.12632.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040322062004.G64737@pukruppa.net> References: <20040322033854.12632.qmail@web25007.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can I read FreeBSD partitions from another hard drive? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:15:04 -0000 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, [iso-8859-1] Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Hi, I installed FreeBSD on a hard disk with 2 slices. > One is an NTFS(slice 1) and the other for FreeBSD > (slice 2). Is it possible to view FreeBSD partitions > within the second slice from another FreeBSD > installation that I have? Generally: Yes. All you have to know is the correct device name - for example /dev/ad0s2e , then you can mount it with # mount /dev/ad0s2e /mnt But there is one exception: ufs2 partitions created with FreeBSD 5.X can't be read from within FreeBSD 4.X (which only understands ufs). Regards, Uli. +---------------------------+ | Peter Ulrich Kruppa | | Wuppertal | | Germany | +---------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 02:44:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A257416A4CE; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0E143D41; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:44:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1])i2MAhv12082049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:43:57 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id i2MAhvBG082048; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:43:57 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:43:57 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20040322104357.GA81524@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version devel-20040316, clamav-milter version 0.67l cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MUTA X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:44:04 -0000 --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 04:33:07AM +0000, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > hi all, > I know MUTAs are used to fetch mail from POP servers > and send mails (via SMTP) such as HOTPOP.com Hmmm... MUA -- Mail User Agent: the program a user uses to read and send mail MTA -- Mail Transport Agent: a daemon process that routes e-mail between hosts Not sure what a MUTA is, but it sounds like something you wouldn't want to meet down a dark alleyway... > I am confused what I should install. >=20 > Mutt,pine,fetchmail... > All I need is Microsoft outlook functionality. I am > more than happy to use curses/CLI based mail clients. mutt or pine are CLI e-mail programs (I prefer mutt as you can see =66rom the headers of this message, but pine is possibly a bit friendlier to the beginner): both of those have the capability to read mail out of a POP mailbox. However, they expect to have a local sendmail (or qmail or exim or postfix or other MTA) instance that they can inject e-mail into for sending messages. Which MTA you use is pretty much a religious thing, but the quickest one to get working will be sendmail (as it's installed as part of the system by default) and all you need do is: # cd /etc/mail # make # vi `hostname`.mc=20 =20 -- find the section of the file that says this: dnl Dialup users should uncomment and define this appropriately dnl define(`SMART_HOST', `your.isp.mail.server') and edit it to take away the 'dnl' commenting and insert the name of the SMTP server your ISP supplies: dnl Dialup users should uncomment and define this appropriately define(`SMART_HOST', `smtp.example.com') Nb. don't get confused by the quote marks: the left hand quote mark _`_ is different to the right hand one _'_. Just a feature of the way the m4(1) macro processor works. Then process that into a sendmail configuration file, install it and restart sendmail: # make # make install # make restart fetchmail(1) isn't a MUA as such -- it's a mail transport that can pull messages out of a POP or IMAP server and re-inject them into sendmail. Or it can hand the messages off directly to a program like procmail(1) for immediate local delivery. I'd not worry about fetchmail(1) until you've got your MUA setup first, and then only if you have a lot of POP mail accounts all over the place. If you want something a lot more like Outlook, then there are several full featured graphical MUAs. There's the Mail/News client which is part of Mozilla, or the more recent Thunderbird. There's Ximian Evolution (probably the closest thing to OE in the ports) and kmail comes as part of KDE. All of those should be able to speak SMTP directly to your ISP's server, so no need to bother with a local MTA on that score. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAXsNtdtESqEQa7a0RAoXpAJwOu3ELwe1BN26ktM+lEqyfFEDgigCfV9PS +cAS2ow84wU8FMoV7zWyonk= =F9N0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 08:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4B416A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from thunder.nws.noaa.gov (fs1-nhdw.nws.noaa.gov [140.90.90.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D754A43D2D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ash.gokhale@noaa.gov) Received: from [192.168.0.66] (hel [140.90.90.7])ESMTP id QAA13446; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:32:52 GMT In-Reply-To: <002101c40ea7$8d9ab470$6c01a8c0@sal> References: <002101c40ea7$8d9ab470$6c01a8c0@sal> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FABFD6B-7C1E-11D8-8E5E-00039383C51E@noaa.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ash Gokhale Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:32:50 -0500 To: "Sally Hines" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies is a community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:32:54 -0000 The crypto (libcrypto) framework is a set of algorithms , code , headers and libraries that allow your machine to encrypt and decrypt traffic bound for where someone might want to read, alter or forge it, and you don't want them to. There are places where it is not legal use or export some of this technology; find out if you live in one. OpenSSLis a part of that framework. To think you run a secure machine, you must convince yourself that It's secure on all levels. All the applications on your machine look to libcrypto to provide security services to provide. It's the engine for packages like SSH and Apache/SSL. Above the hardware and the kernel, it's the basis for all the crypto on the machine. Never versions of applications require current versions of libcrypto to resist attacks based on known bugs. Ports is easy. By building out of ports you are leveraging other peoples work, but you might not say with high confidence that the ports system builds libcrypto to your level of paranoia. If you can conceive of some malicious person slipping something bad into the repository (it has happened to other OS's), you may want to build it yourself. Building it yourself is the other option. Before there was a ports tree, you had to build it all by hand, in doing so you learn much about your machine and the thousands of ways to break it. OpenSSL.org makes the signed source code available; which you can be reasonably sure has not been tampered. When you get good at the process you can commit your own port to the ports tree. > btw: I would not build _my_ crypto framework from ports. *wink btw: Adding this btw in this manner is called a troll. On Mar 20, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Sally Hines wrote: > What does it mean? You would not build your crypto framework from > ports? > What is crypto framework? > Why not ports? > What options are there? Ash Gokhale System Administration Lead, NOAA/MDL From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 10:33:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E55116A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F1243D31 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:33:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-209-109-231-62.rasserver.net ([209.109.231.62] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5UEX-0005gv-00; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:33:10 -0800 Message-ID: <405F3163.5080108@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:33:07 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ash Gokhale , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <002101c40ea7$8d9ab470$6c01a8c0@sal> <8FABFD6B-7C1E-11D8-8E5E-00039383C51E@noaa.gov> In-Reply-To: <8FABFD6B-7C1E-11D8-8E5E-00039383C51E@noaa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies is a community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:33:14 -0000 Ash Gokhale wrote: > The crypto (libcrypto) framework is a set of algorithms , code , > headers and libraries that allow your machine to encrypt and decrypt > traffic bound for where someone might want to read, alter or forge it, > and you don't want them to. There are places where it is not legal use > or export some of this technology; find out if you live in one. > > OpenSSLis a part of that framework. To think you run a secure > machine, you must convince yourself that It's secure on all levels. > All the applications on your machine look to libcrypto to provide > security services to provide. It's the engine for packages like SSH > and Apache/SSL. Above the hardware and the kernel, it's the basis for > all the crypto on the machine. Never versions of applications require > current versions of libcrypto to resist attacks based on known bugs. > > Ports is easy. By building out of ports you are leveraging other > peoples work, but you might not say with high confidence that the > ports system builds libcrypto to your level of paranoia. If you can > conceive of some malicious person slipping something bad into the > repository (it has happened to other OS's), you may want to build it > yourself. I donno that seems kinda flawed to me, can you guarantee with high confidence that a malicious person didn't slip something into the source code at the source? > Building it yourself is the other option. Before there was a ports > tree, you had to build it all by hand, in doing so you learn much > about your machine and the thousands of ways to break it. OpenSSL.org > makes the signed source code available; which you can be reasonably > sure has not been tampered. When you get good at the process you can > commit your own port to the ports tree. Besides the educational factor, you can never be 100% certin that what you built isn't allready compromised unless you do everything yourself, from scratch. This essentially mutes the whole point of not using the port, your time would be better spent auditing the ports patch code. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 10:42:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC1A16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0008C43D3F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:4426) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B5UNL-0002rt-4N; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:42:15 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:32:59 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GFNWP7SR; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:31:42 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:40:12 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1079648282.405a201a64217@savaka.com> <20040319180535.P379@floyd.gnulife.org> <20040319192953.Q535@floyd.gnulife.org> In-Reply-To: <20040319192953.Q535@floyd.gnulife.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1B5UNL-0002rt-4N*s7LxnMd6qyw* Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:42:36 -0000 On Friday 19 March 2004 05:37 pm, Jamie wrote: > shouldn't subtract from the idea that I deserved any snide remarks > made by anyone, because I know I should have read the charter. I > apologize for upsetting your place here at freebsd-newbies. No one deserves snide remarks. A simple "this is the wrong list" should suffice. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 10:51:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C30516A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBE743D2F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:51:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:1029) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B5UW2-0003X6-5r; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:51:14 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:41:59 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GFNWP7ZS; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:40:44 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:49:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <002001c40ea7$78391270$6c01a8c0@sal> In-Reply-To: <002001c40ea7$78391270$6c01a8c0@sal> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403221049.14597.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1B5UW2-0003X6-5r*BDKPSHUup1.* Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:51:35 -0000 On Saturday 20 March 2004 10:16 am, Sally Hines wrote: > I am receiving the -questions list. I delete the messages as they are > too many, and too detailed for me. Not to mention that most are not > relevant to any experience I am having. > > How can I ask a question on the -questions list and get the response? > I cannot read them all, they are too many for me. I would rather that > there was a "-newbies questions" list, where some more experienced > folks are willing to take some time to explain simple questions and > concepts to newbies. I know this will not happen, it is just my wish. In my opinion, there needs to be an -install list. Many newbie technical questions are going to be related to installation. Such a list would have a much reduced volume, and the name should be obvious as to its purpose. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 11:04:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A10F16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0543D31 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2015) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B5UiP-0004UO-6P; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:01 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:54:46 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GFNWP8DL; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:53:31 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:02:01 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403221102.01638.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1B5UiP-0004UO-6P*ro/cS0.tELg* cc: Tadimeti Keshav Subject: Re: make options X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:04:22 -0000 On Sunday 21 March 2004 07:40 pm, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > hi, > > I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know > the various options we can specify during make such as > WITH_GUI=yes > > How can I know them for a given port? Most make options are port of the individual port. There are several that are standard across many ports, but they will still be listed with the port. Unfortunately, you need to read the Makefile to see what they are. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 11:06:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D13516A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0364A43D1D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:07:27 -0600 Message-ID: <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:06:53 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040322 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <1079648282.405a201a64217@savaka.com> <20040319180535.P379@floyd.gnulife.org> <20040319192953.Q535@floyd.gnulife.org> <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2004 19:07:28.0062 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB0C4DE0:01C41040] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:06:56 -0000 Johnson David wrote: >No one deserves snide remarks. A simple "this is the wrong list" should >suffice. > >David > > Most probably true. Can't agree with that 100 per cent of the time, tho; 99.98% perhaps. Once in a great while someone is so out of line that ya just gotta say "get out of town." Perhaps it shouldn't be snide exactly, but what about the troll who won't quit? But, that'll never happen on newbies@, most likely. Finally, is this something we might agree on? Technical questions aren't permitted, but "your experiences" are.... Newbie A: "I'm having trouble with foomatic..." Newbie B: "I had trouble with foomatic, but by changing the $bar variable in my $file, I was able to overcome this difficulty." Newbie C: "And the other possibility is that you forgot to read /usr/share/doc/foomatic/README, which reminds us that you must first have bazalooza(1) installed in order for foomatic(1) to work. That's what bit me when I first tried it. Of course, if that doesn't work, you should write to questions@...." Newbie A: "Cool. Thanks guys!" :-) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 11:35:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4591E16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1CB43D39 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-229-201.rasserver.net ([209.109.229.201] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5VD3-0000DD-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:35:42 -0800 Message-ID: <405F400C.5070003@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:35:40 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <172770469937.20040318163212@yandex.ru> <4059B964.80000@nbritton.org> <1821098248937.20040322113511@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <1821098248937.20040322113511@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: RM 1U server for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:35:43 -0000 stepan wrote: >Ïðèâåò! > >Âû ïèñàëè 18 ìàðòà 2004 ã., 19:59:48: > >NB> stepan wrote: > >>>ello all! >>> >>>Do you can advise Rack Mount 1U server that may be better for FreeBSD >>>usage (zebra router+ firewall+mail server+DNS, about 50 klients). >>> >>>Regards, Stepan >>> >>> >NB> All three vendors listed below openly support the open source way of life: > >NB> IBM Intel based xSeries: >NB> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/eserver/xseries/index.html > >NB> Penguin Computing Intel based Relion Series (See also the Altus Series >NB> for AMD based): >NB> http://www.penguincomputing.com/store/relion.php > >NB> Iron Systems iServer line: >NB> http://www.ironsystems.com/products/iservers/index.htm > >With what from them you worked? Does it matter? A PC is a PC around the world.....Don't quote me on that though. :-) From what you described in your server requirements above, an older server can easily handle the load. Here, Take your pick: http://www.retrobox.com/rbwww/home/search_results_servers.asp?bin_id=world >Most of all us excites as it is noisy the fan system works - on >it depends will start up us on a technical platform >whether or not. Fans controlled or rotate with constant speed? huh? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 11:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1093816A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8843D48 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:1243) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B5VKG-0000b7-55; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:43:08 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:33:53 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GFNWP92Y; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:32:33 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:41:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <1079648282.405a201a64217@savaka.com> <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403221141.03223.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1B5VKG-0000b7-55*cySgl5PZtLM* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:43:28 -0000 On Monday 22 March 2004 11:06 am, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Finally, is this something we might agree on? > Technical questions aren't permitted, but > "your experiences" are.... > > Newbie A: "I'm having trouble with foomatic..." > > Newbie B: "I had trouble with foomatic, but by > changing the $bar variable in my $file, I was > able to overcome this difficulty." The problem is that setting the $bar variable in $file might be exact WRONG answer for the user in question. Newbies by their nature don't understand the fundamental concepts behind the answer, and will blindly perform the steps without question. For some questions, the wrong answer can be very harmful. The wrong instructions for setting up XFree86 can physically destroy some older monitors. Less obvious harm can result by opening up security holes in the system. As much as we want to be helpful to other people, newbies should never answer other newbie's technical questions. All technical answers should be coming from experts, and on a list where other experts can instantly jump in a correct any wrong answers. However, it is very appropriate to point newbies to sources of correct information. The handbook, FAQ, man pages, additional documentation, freebsddiary, onlamp, etc., are all good sources of information that the newbie might not know about. If you know that the answer is addressed specifically in one part of the FAQ, for example, simply provide a link to that section. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 12:11:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AFE16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (unknown [81.196.25.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5038643D45 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:11:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA83609F; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:10:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DC2B130; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:13:44 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:13:43 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Johnson David Message-Id: <20040322221343.09bda270@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <200403221141.03223.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> References: <1079648282.405a201a64217@savaka.com> <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> <200403221141.03223.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:11:33 -0000 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:41:03 -0800 Johnson David wrote: > On Monday 22 March 2004 11:06 am, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > > Finally, is this something we might agree on? > > Technical questions aren't permitted, but > > "your experiences" are.... > > > > Newbie A: "I'm having trouble with foomatic..." > > > > Newbie B: "I had trouble with foomatic, but by > > changing the $bar variable in my $file, I was > > able to overcome this difficulty." > > The problem is that setting the $bar variable in $file might be exact > WRONG answer for the user in question. Newbies by their nature don't > understand the fundamental concepts behind the answer, and will blindly > perform the steps without question. > > For some questions, the wrong answer can be very harmful. The wrong > instructions for setting up XFree86 can physically destroy some older > monitors. Less obvious harm can result by opening up security holes in > the system. > > As much as we want to be helpful to other people, newbies should never > answer other newbie's technical questions. All technical answers should > be coming from experts, and on a list where other experts can instantly > jump in a correct any wrong answers. The hard thing being to define who is / what is a newbie and who / what is not ;-) Not that I don't agree with what you say above. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 12:21:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0016A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (unknown [81.196.25.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7815943D3F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:21:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A10609F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:21:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 347FD130 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:23:57 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:23:56 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040322222356.6ee991ff@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> References: <1079648282.405a201a64217@savaka.com> <20040319180535.P379@floyd.gnulife.org> <20040319192953.Q535@floyd.gnulife.org> <200403221040.12046.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <405F394D.8090703@daleco.biz> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:21:49 -0000 Kevin, I'm getting this Mar 22 22:11:07 buh postfix/smtp[47116]: 5EA83609F: to=, relay=secure.southernuniform.com[66.76. 92.18], delay=15, status=bounced (host secure.southernuniform.com[66.76.92.18] said: 550 5.0.0 Access denied (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) from your mx for the other message : (From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Johnson David Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:13:43 +0200) Could you tell me what's the problem ? Thanks. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 14:45:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0156516A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.fpwk.com (smtp.fpwk.com [65.218.71.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F28843D2F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 14:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from btarver@fpwk.com) Received: by smtp.fpwk.com; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:47:16 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1079995636-14243-362" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:46:22 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Syslog'ing PIX Thread-Index: AcQQX3/9VgpXH0ISSbClOjRA+0GhIA== From: "Brad Tarver" To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.41 Subject: Syslog'ing PIX X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:45:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1079995636-14243-362 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know I've done this before, so I know I'm not crazy. I'm trying to log two PIX firewalls, one at 192.168.1.2 and the other is at 192.168.100.2. Both PIXs are configured like this: logging on logging timestamp logging trap debugging logging host inside 10.1.1.126 There is a way to tell syslogd to log to different files based on the host it's coming from: hostname1: *.* /var/log/hostname1 hostname2: *.* /var/log/hostname2 I can't remember the modifier that goes on the hostname line to make syslog separate the files. Does anyone know? I thought it was a : or a ! -- Brad Tarver, CCNA Network Administrator Forman Perry Watkins Krutz & Tardy 188 East Capitol Street Suite 200 Jackson, MS 39201 United States Ph: 601-960-8600 Fax: 601-960-8613 Furbling, v.: Having to wander through a maze of ropes at an airport or bank even when you are the only person in line. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" Important Confidentiality And Limited Liability Notice This email and any attachments may be confidential and protected by law. 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Thank you for your= cooperation. ------------=_1079995636-14243-362-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 17:09:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8668C16A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49ABE43D41 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:09:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garystewart@verizon.net) X-eGroups-Return: garystewart@verizon.net Received: from [66.218.67.157] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 01:09:17 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:08:23 -0000 From: "Gary Stewart" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 141.158.43.213 Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:09:39 -0000 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 17:11:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CBE16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:11:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4830443D1D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:11:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from garystewart@verizon.net) X-eGroups-Return: garystewart@verizon.net Received: from [66.218.67.180] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Mar 2004 01:11:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:11:58 -0000 From: "Gary Stewart" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 141.158.43.213 Subject: Real BSD Newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:11:58 -0000 Hello group, My name is Gary and I am so new I haven't even started using it. I am just looking into it. I use Linux-Mandrake right now. BSD intrigues me though, I understand (tell me if I am wrong) that you can run different OS programs as if they are native. As I move on in my learning of BSD you may hear a lot from me :-) Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 17:29:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0457816A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8A5143D49 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:29:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2690) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B5ajA-0005jc-54; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:29:12 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:19:58 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id GFNWQF80; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:18:42 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:27:12 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200403221727.12320.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1B5ajA-0005jc-54*mCbGz1SRWzY* cc: Gary Stewart Subject: Re: Real BSD Newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:29:34 -0000 On Monday 22 March 2004 05:11 pm, Gary Stewart wrote: > Hello group, > My name is Gary and I am so new I haven't even started using it. I am > just looking into it. I use Linux-Mandrake right now. BSD intrigues > me though, I understand (tell me if I am wrong) that you can run > different OS programs as if they are native. You can use most Linux programs as if they were native. Currently I am using native Linux Acrobat Reader and Netscape with no problems at all. Install them through ports and they just work. I understand that SCO binaries work as well, but I can't imagine that you would want to :-P > As I move on in my learning of BSD you may hear a lot from me :-) Welcome to the club. Just remember that this is not the list for technical or installation questions. Send them to -questions instead. Read the Handbook and FAQ (or at least the parts that are relevant to you). They are very well written. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 19:27:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACE816A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155D343D1D for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:27:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc06-chc-il-209-109-235-225.rasserver.net ([209.109.235.225] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5cZE-0007R2-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:27:04 -0800 Message-ID: <405FAE86.3030709@nbritton.org> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:27:02 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Binary Compatibility X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:27:06 -0000 Gary Stewart wrote: >Hello group, >My name is Gary and I am so new I haven't even started using it. I am >just looking into it. I use Linux-Mandrake right now. BSD intrigues me >though, I understand (tell me if I am wrong) that you can run >different OS programs as if they are native. > >As I move on in my learning of BSD you may hear a lot from me :-) > >Gary > Yes gery it does...I myself just started playing with it, I've got Sun's JDK running in it, pretty spiffy stuff. Also gery...from what I read it has SCO and SysV Binary Compatibility, I think even (not sure) Sun and Irix support too. Here's the FreeBSD handbook section on Linux Binary Compatibility: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/linuxemu.html Oh yea, welcome to the club..... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 20:08:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F58216A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.fpwk.com (smtp.fpwk.com [65.218.71.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D075143D48 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from btarver@fpwk.com) Received: by smtp.fpwk.com; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:10:16 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1080015016-2424-110" Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:09:35 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Syslog'ing PIX Thread-Index: AcQQX3/9VgpXH0ISSbClOjRA+0GhIAALAb7Q From: "Brad Tarver" To: X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.41 Subject: RE: Syslog'ing PIX X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:08:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1080015016-2424-110 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I found it after rereading the syslog.conf(5) man page. A hostname specification of the form `#+hostname' or `+hostname' means the following blocks will be applied to messages received from the speci- fied hostname. Alternatively, the hostname specification `#-hostname' or `-hostname' causes the following blocks to be applied to messages from any host but the one specified. If the hostname is given as `@', the local hostname will be used. As for program specifications, multiple comma-seprarated values may be specified for hostname specifications. Also, there appears to be a problem with the !startslip and !ppp at the end the 5.2.1-RELEASE default syslog.conf. None of my +hostname lines were parsed until I put them above the !prog lines. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Tarver=20=20 > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 04:46 PM > To: 'Freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' > Subject: Syslog'ing PIX >=20 > I know I've done this before, so I know I'm not crazy. >=20 > I'm trying to log two PIX firewalls, one at 192.168.1.2 and the other > is > at 192.168.100.2. >=20 > Both PIXs are configured like this: > logging on > logging timestamp > logging trap debugging > logging host inside 10.1.1.126 >=20 > There is a way to tell syslogd to log to different files based on the > host > it's coming from: > hostname1: > *.* /var/log/hostname1 >=20 > hostname2: > *.* /var/log/hostname2 >=20 >=20 > I can't remember the modifier that goes on the hostname line to make > syslog separate the files. Does anyone know? I thought it was a : or a > ! >=20 >=20 > -- > Brad Tarver, CCNA > Network Administrator > Forman Perry Watkins Krutz & Tardy > 188 East Capitol Street > Suite 200 > Jackson, MS 39201 > United States > Ph: 601-960-8600 > Fax: 601-960-8613 >=20 >=20 > Furbling, v.: > Having to wander through a maze of ropes at an airport or bank > even when you are the only person in line. > -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" >=20 Important Confidentiality And Limited Liability Notice This email and any attachments may be confidential and protected by law. If= you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying,= distribution or use of the email or any attachment is prohibited. If you h= ave received this email in error, please notify us immediately by replying = to the sender and deleting this copy and the reply from your system. 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Thank you for your= cooperation. ------------=_1080015016-2424-110-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 20:28:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D8716A4D0 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3FC6643D39 for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:28:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040323042841.20782.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.195] by web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:28:41 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:28:41 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: using make to use a specific mirror while building ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:28:43 -0000 hi 2 questions pls. 1.I happened to come across a fairly fast mirror while doing a CVSup. How can I configure make to use this mirror (as a first preference over ftp.freebsd.org) while making apps from ports. 2. Instead of using cvsup to upgrade the ports tree, is there a command to upgrade a specific port, say, XMMS. thanks Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 21:14:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9F916A4CE; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EFC143D1D; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:14:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@ec.rr.com) Received: from ec.rr.com (cpe-024-211-231-149.ec.rr.com [24.211.231.149]) i2N5E0kF006879; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:14:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <405FC807.9090100@ec.rr.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:15:51 -0500 From: Jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040210 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav References: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040322034013.40925.qmail@web25002.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make options X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:14:04 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi, > >I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know >the various options we can specify during make such as >WITH_GUI=yes > >How can I know them for a given port? > >thanks in advance > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" >your friends today! Download Messenger Now >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Go to the port dir, the open the make file in an editor. The options are in it. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 21:29:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7DF16A4CE; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtaw6.prodigy.net (mtaw6.prodigy.net [64.164.98.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C061F43D1D; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (f8f22c07a7653e7a6aec5582a7080734@adsl-67-119-53-203.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.203]) by mtaw6.prodigy.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2N5SOS5015880; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8726851BB5; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:29:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:29:26 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20040323052926.GA26015@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040323042841.20782.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040323042841.20782.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using make to use a specific mirror while building ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:29:27 -0000 --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 04:28:41AM +0000, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > hi > 2 questions pls. >=20 > 1.I happened to come across a fairly fast mirror while > doing a CVSup. > How can I configure make to use this mirror (as a > first preference over ftp.freebsd.org) while making > apps from ports. cvsup mirrors aren't FTP mirrors, but assuming you actually meant "how do I configure make to fetch from an alternate ftp mirror?", read the /etc/defaults/make.conf file (/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf on 5.x) to see how. > 2. Instead of using cvsup to upgrade the ports tree, > is there a command to upgrade a specific port, say, > XMMS. Install the portupgrade port. Kris --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAX8s2Wry0BWjoQKURAkEuAKCO5srnnyBnzC2QjOp0/Mw9qsOB5QCfbYcW 5VFtunkTPKPitphlvehNxOQ= =9csz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 23:25:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB9216A4CF for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1B0743D3F for ; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:25:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040323072511.21547.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:25:11 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:25:11 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: modifying makefiles X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:25:12 -0000 hi SInce I am behind a modem, I downloaded my fav ports (source files) and copied them to /usr/ports/distfiles. Some of the makefiles in the ports target a higer version of the application than I have, and some the lower version. I made the changes in the makefile and adjusted the MD5 values in the distinfo file, but make fails in the patch section. Is there a way around this (i know it is ugly) other than downloading from the net? Thanks Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 22 23:36:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4661516A4CE; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (buh.cameradicommercio.ro [81.196.25.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC80543D46; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:36:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C026302; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:35:39 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with SMTP id 1233D39E; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:38:34 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:38:33 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-Id: <20040323093833.188bbe11@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20040323072511.21547.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20040323072511.21547.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: modifying makefiles X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:36:20 -0000 On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:25:11 +0000 (GMT) Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > hi > SInce I am behind a modem, I downloaded my fav ports > (source files) and copied them to > /usr/ports/distfiles. > > Some of the makefiles in the ports target a higer > version of the application than I have, and some the > lower version. > I made the changes in the makefile and adjusted the > MD5 values in the distinfo file, but make fails in the > patch section. Is there a way around this (i know it > is ugly) other than downloading from the net? What you did can not work. cvsup for forts doesn't take much even on modem. `make fetch` in the ports/category/name will get you the right distfile. # fetch-recursive-list - Show list of files that would be retrieved by # fetch-recursive. # fetch-required-list - Show list of files that would be retrieved by # fetch-required. would give you also the dependencies for a given port. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 03:06:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8684916A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6297543D2D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:06:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-89.rasserver.net ([209.109.240.89] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5jjp-0000TW-00; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:06:30 -0800 Message-ID: <40601A34.40906@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:06:28 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040323072511.21547.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040323072511.21547.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: modifying makefiles X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:06:32 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi >SInce I am behind a modem, I downloaded my fav ports >(source files) and copied them to >/usr/ports/distfiles. > Yea im behind a modem too at home (and a firewall) (in a VMware VM) but I can still download the src ppackages in freebsd..... whats this have to do with anything, why can't you download? >Some of the makefiles in the ports target a higer >version of the application than I have, and some the >lower version. >I made the changes in the makefile and adjusted the >MD5 values in the distinfo file, but make fails in the >patch section. Is there a way around this (i know it >is ugly) other than downloading from the net? > > I would just stop right there before you dig yourself into a deeper hole and fuge the system all up, have you read the handbook latey?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html What about the FAQ too?: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html We also have a whole page just for newbies: http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html And we even have man pages too: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 03:58:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A9816A4CE; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB8A43D45; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.no-ip.com ([66.30.196.44]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2004032311580401500ksjhre>; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:58:05 +0000 Received: by be-well.no-ip.com (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 4271E12; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:58:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040323042841.20782.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20040323052926.GA26015@xor.obsecurity.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 23 Mar 2004 06:58:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20040323052926.GA26015@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <44smfzdbcj.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: using make to use a specific mirror while building ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:58:05 -0000 Kris Kennaway writes: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 04:28:41AM +0000, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > 2. Instead of using cvsup to upgrade the ports tree, > > is there a command to upgrade a specific port, say, > > XMMS. > > Install the portupgrade port. I don't think that's quite what the question was asking. For updating a single port skeleton, the cvsweb interface ( http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ ) is probably the easiest way. In individual ports directories, it offers a link to get the whole directory as a tarball. E.g., for xmms, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/multimedia/xmms/ and particularly http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/multimedia/xmms/xmms.tar.gz?tarball=1 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 05:11:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2C316A4CE; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:11:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02.asp.att.net [63.240.76.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6482443D48; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:11:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david.fleck@mchsi.com) Received: from grond (12-216-14-105.client.mchsi.com[12.216.14.105]) by sccimhc02.asp.att.net (sccimhc02) with SMTP id <20040323131105im200fpmsne>; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:11:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:11:04 -0600 (CST) From: David Fleck Sender: dcf@grond.sourballs.org To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <20040322104357.GA81524@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040323070820.S17674@grond.sourballs.org> References: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20040322104357.GA81524@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Tadimeti Keshav cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MUTA X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:11:06 -0000 On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, Matthew Seaman wrote: > mutt or pine are CLI e-mail programs (I prefer mutt as you can see > from the headers of this message, but pine is possibly a bit > friendlier to the beginner): both of those have the capability to read > mail out of a POP mailbox. However, they expect to have a local > sendmail (or qmail or exim or postfix or other MTA) instance that they > can inject e-mail into for sending messages. [...] Not necessarily - Pine, at least, can be configured to use a remote smtp server: (from my .pinerc file): # List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail. smtp-server=mail.isp.com/novalidate-cert -- David Fleck david.fleck@mchsi.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 11:29:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4219016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A1143D2D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:29:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-240-89.rasserver.net ([209.109.240.89] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B5ral-0000dR-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:29:40 -0800 Message-ID: <40609021.3070908@nbritton.org> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:29:37 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: CPU Clock Freq X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:29:41 -0000 Can anyone explain why the clock is off by 17Mhz? This is non critical btw I was just playing with the diff command an wasn't expecting to see this, the system is FreeBSD 5.2.1 running as a guest OS in VMWare (Win2k host).....my guess is its just vmware playing tricks on freebsd... #diff dmesg.today dmesg.yesterday 8c8 < CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1733.85-MHz 686-class CPU) --- > CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1716.78-MHz 686-class CPU) 79c79 < Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1733846104 Hz quality 800 --- > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1716778304 Hz quality 800 85a86,91 > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > WARNING: /tmp was not properly dismounted > /tmp: mount pending error: blocks 4 files 3 > WARNING: /usr was not properly dismounted > WARNING: /var was not properly dismounted > cd9660: RockRidge Extension From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 16:22:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B5716A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:22:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F5743D4C for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:51 -0600 Message-ID: <4060D4B9.1040000@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:22:17 -0600 From: "Kevin D. 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I set up Amavis (-new) (with its automagic dependencies on Razor and SpamAssassin) in a "dual Sendmail" setup, plusClamAV from ports on a test box yesterday, ('cause the last time I played around with my #1 mail server I broke something about Sendmail and had to run two shops off the backup MX for about a month).... It worked beautifully in a test environment, so today I moved it to production box #1 and a few moments ago I got my first notifications on *both* spam and the Gibe.F virii... /me smiles! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. PS> build from ports, and read up in: /usr/local/share/doc/amavis-new/README.sendmail-dual pay special attention to file perms .... ;-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 16:58:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66BB16A505 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from chiapa.terra.com.br (chiapa.terra.com.br [200.154.55.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E71143D46 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luismott@ig.com.br) Received: from iquitos.terra.com.br (iquitos.terra.com.br [200.154.55.140]) by chiapa.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C45EC5F9 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:58:03 -0300 (BRT) Received: from quantumbit (cm-net-poa-C8B02BF3.brdterra.com.br [200.176.43.243]) (authenticated user luiscpmotta) by iquitos.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25463C006 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:58:02 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <001f01c4113b$0a5fa700$f32bb0c8@poa.virtua.com.br> From: "Luis Carlos Peters Motta" To: References: <20040323200224.C74AE16A4ED@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:57:54 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: 100% satisfaction X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:58:05 -0000 Hooray to FreeBSD! i am a heavy linux user and i was really bored about LINUX. No chalenges at all. I install de FreeBSD 5.0 and the joy come again! Go Red Devil! Luis, from Brasil From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 18:09:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CE216A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:09:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A92643D39 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:09:54 -0600 Message-ID: <4060ED6D.4090903@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:07:41 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040322 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luis Carlos Peters Motta References: <20040323200224.C74AE16A4ED@hub.freebsd.org> <001f01c4113b$0a5fa700$f32bb0c8@poa.virtua.com.br> In-Reply-To: <001f01c4113b$0a5fa700$f32bb0c8@poa.virtua.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Mar 2004 02:09:55.0265 (UTC) FILETIME=[19924B10:01C41145] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 100% satisfaction X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:09:22 -0000 Luis Carlos Peters Motta wrote: >Hooray to FreeBSD! >i am a heavy linux user and i was really bored about LINUX. >No chalenges at all. >I install de FreeBSD 5.0 and the joy come again! > >Go Red Devil! >Luis, from Brasil > > Yippee! So we have two "Hooray!" posts on the "newbies" list in less than one hour. Let the party begin! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 18:52:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE0816A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:52:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABCE43D46 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.35.99]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2O2qVeU021239 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:52:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:52:31 -0600 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:52:34 -0000 I'll guess I'll add to the Hoopla. I'm a former Mac user, who was always deeply curious about the workings of his machine. I have to say that I have yet to find in any other operating system the unique combination of instructional challenges and raw functionality that is offered by FreeBSD! I am now evangelizing FreeBSD to all my friends - and I'm pushing it for a local non-profit organization as the solution to their new found need for business work stations. I really look forward to the day when FreeBSD with GNOME or KDE (or perhaps some weird interhack of the two of them) is a common desktop environment. -- ~*~* Jason From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 19:01:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108416A4CF for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from pursued-with.net (adsl-66-125-9-242.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.125.9.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D3243D45 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from [192.168.168.101] (fffinch [192.168.168.101]) by pursued-with.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA3C9C16; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:01:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> References: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E87470C-7D3F-11D8-B3FB-000A959CEE6A@pursued-with.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kevin Stevens Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:02:00 -0800 To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:01:22 -0000 On Mar 23, 2004, at 19:52, Jason Dusek wrote: > I'll guess I'll add to the Hoopla. I'm a former Mac user, who was > always deeply curious about the workings of his machine. I have to > say that I have yet to find in any other operating system the unique > combination of instructional challenges and raw functionality that is > offered by FreeBSD! ?? How is it any different than just running OS X in those regards? You can run KDE/Gnome on X if you really want to. KeS From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 19:12:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D7043D2D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:12:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.35.99]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2O3Cubu022218 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:12:57 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <40610AC8.8030805@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:12:56 -0600 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: Re: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:12:58 -0000 Kevin Stevens wrote: > > On Mar 23, 2004, at 19:52, Jason Dusek wrote: > >> I'll guess I'll add to the Hoopla. I'm a former Mac user, who was >> always deeply curious about the workings of his machine. I have to >> say that I have yet to find in any other operating system the unique >> combination of instructional challenges and raw functionality that is >> offered by FreeBSD! > > > > ?? How is it any different than just running OS X in those regards? > You can run KDE/Gnome on X if you really want to. > > KeS > You really can't run GNOME on OS X - it's more like you can run them next to each other. And there aren't nearly as many functional ports. And you don't have to set your IP address on a Macintosh. I mentioned the unique *combination* of fuctionality and instructional challenges. -- ~*~* Jason From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 19:16:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4141516A4CF for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8282443D2D for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:16:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040324031649.71936.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:16:49 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:16:49 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: ports installation (long) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:16:51 -0000 all, thanks for the suggestions. 1. CVSUP: I tried CVSup = it updated my ports skeletons, but while compiling XMMS 1.2.10, it needed a newer version of libogg, which could not be installed because mplayer-esound and artsd were using an older version of libogg. (mplayer had installed by then). I thought of doing a portupgrade to libogg, but this would have broken artsd and mplayer-esound. Is this a bug with the latest ports tree? 2. MAKE FETCH-RECURSIVE: Then I deleted the entire ports tree and installed it fresh from CD-ROM; then cd to /usr/ports/multimedia/xmms, then make fetch-recursive. This went on for an hour. It tried to fetch xc... and fetched libxml2. I killed this and did a simple make, which downloaded the correct libxml and 40 mins later, xmms was built. 3. Mplayer: mplayer built fine (except for a glitch which would download all skins regardless of the options chosen). But when I do: gmplayer &, I get a black patch in the bottom right corner of the screen, which should be the GUI. 3 hours later, I felt I may have been better off with Mandrake Linux, with Xine,Mplayer,xmms and other goodies installed within 1 hr. For now I am sticking with FreeBSD, but I'll soon install dual boot Mandrake Linux 9.1 for a usable computer. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 19:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B0516A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from pursued-with.net (adsl-66-125-9-242.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net [66.125.9.242]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8D43D46 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin_stevens@pursued-with.net) Received: from [192.168.168.101] (fffinch [192.168.168.101]) by pursued-with.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099CBCA05F; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:22:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <40610AC8.8030805@cs.uiowa.edu> References: <40610AC8.8030805@cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85639ED5-7D42-11D8-B3FB-000A959CEE6A@pursued-with.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kevin Stevens Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:22:46 -0800 To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 03:22:08 -0000 On Mar 23, 2004, at 20:12, Jason Dusek wrote: > Kevin Stevens wrote:?? How is it any different than just running OS X > in those regards? You can run KDE/Gnome on X if you really want to. >> >> KeS >> > You really can't run GNOME on OS X - it's more like you can run them > next to each other. Don't follow, if you run X fullscreen it's just like any other box. > And there aren't nearly as many functional ports. True. > And you don't have to set your IP address on a Macintosh. ??? > I mentioned the unique *combination* of fuctionality and > instructional challenges. Ok, I was just curious. I run the same things on my G5 now as I did on my FreeBSD server, with about the same amount of "functionality and challenges". KeS From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 23:01:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEABC16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8F543D46 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrician@verizon.net) Received: from [192.168.0.4] ([4.11.107.45]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040324070137.SXAB1910.out010.verizon.net@[192.168.0.4]>; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:01:37 -0600 In-Reply-To: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> References: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <08CC14F8-7D61-11D8-99B6-000A95E8B36A@verizon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Juan Pablo Gutierrez Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:01:12 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.11.107.45] at Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:01:37 -0600 Subject: Re: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:01:38 -0000 On Mar 23, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Jason Dusek wrote: > I'll guess I'll add to the Hoopla. I'm a former Mac user, who was > always deeply curious about the workings of his machine. I have to > say that I have yet to find in any other operating system the unique > combination of instructional challenges and raw functionality that is > offered by FreeBSD! I am now evangelizing FreeBSD to all my friends - > and I'm pushing it for a local non-profit organization as the solution > to their new found need for business work stations. I really look > forward to the day when FreeBSD with GNOME or KDE (or perhaps some > weird interhack of the two of them) is a common desktop environment. > > -- > ~*~* Jason Hi Jason, My experience is the exact opposite of yours: I've gone from FreeBSD to Mac (though I tinker on any OS I find, Linux, Windows, Menuet, etc). I'm curious if you've played with OpenDarwin at all. I've been meaning to install it, but haven't had the time, and the newest version runs on both PPC and x86. Anyway, I'm curious to see how OS X evolves. As it is now, running X11 on it is pretty weird. Where is XF86Config? or xf86config for that matter? The operating system is still very new and Macs are new to me, so I expect to figure things out eventually. BTW, what's with this GNOME and KDE stuff? Fluxbox forever! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 23 23:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7980616A4D8 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:53:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1597943D39 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:53:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.35.99]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2O7rblL005257 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:53:37 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <40614C90.7020906@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 02:53:36 -0600 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Newbies@BSD" References: <406105FF.50605@cs.uiowa.edu> <08CC14F8-7D61-11D8-99B6-000A95E8B36A@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <08CC14F8-7D61-11D8-99B6-000A95E8B36A@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: Re: Tastes Like Chicken X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:53:39 -0000 Juan Pablo Gutierrez wrote: > On Mar 23, 2004, at 7:52 PM, Jason Dusek wrote: > >> I'll guess I'll add to the Hoopla. I'm a former Mac user, who was >> always deeply curious about the workings of his machine. I have to >> say that I have yet to find in any other operating system the unique >> combination of instructional challenges and raw functionality that is >> offered by FreeBSD! I am now evangelizing FreeBSD to all my friends >> - and I'm pushing it for a local non-profit organization as the >> solution to their new found need for business work stations. I >> really look forward to the day when FreeBSD with GNOME or KDE (or >> perhaps some weird interhack of the two of them) is a common desktop >> environment. >> >> -- >> ~*~* Jason > > > > Hi Jason, > > My experience is the exact opposite of yours: I've gone from FreeBSD > to Mac (though I tinker on any OS I find, Linux, Windows, Menuet, > etc). I'm curious if you've played with OpenDarwin at all. I've been > meaning to install it, but haven't had the time, and the newest > version runs on both PPC and x86. Anyway, I'm curious to see how OS X > evolves. As it is now, running X11 on it is pretty weird. Where is > XF86Config? or xf86config for that matter? The operating system is > still very new and Macs are new to me, so I expect to figure things > out eventually. BTW, what's with this GNOME and KDE stuff? Fluxbox > forever! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I haven't touched OpenDarwin. I really don't think that it's added all that much to the open source community - it's basically just a bunch of nice additions to FreeBSD. None of the really useful Mac like things - like Aqua - are open. And using the Mach kernel is hardly Apple's idea. I think that Apple is going to have to make a decision, and I hope they make the right decision - I think they have to decide to become an open source hardware developer. Honestly I don't think this will cost them a penny - their hardware's good enough to move units for all kinds of computationally intensive applications, and a lot of their market (graphic design studios and so forth) would just buy a packaged distro from them anyway. In the meantime though, a free Mac is just not in the cards. So I've got GNOME instead. Though I bet you sawfish is a whole new experience... -- ~*~* Jason From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 04:32:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B39116A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116B743D45 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:32:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-209-109-230-235.rasserver.net ([209.109.230.235] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B67YX-0005fL-00; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:32:26 -0800 Message-ID: <40617FD7.9080305@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:32:23 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040324031649.71936.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040324031649.71936.qmail@web25003.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ports installation (long) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:32:38 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >all, >thanks for the suggestions. >1. CVSUP: I tried CVSup = it updated my ports >skeletons, but while compiling XMMS 1.2.10, it needed >a newer version of libogg, which could not be >installed because mplayer-esound and artsd were using >an older version of libogg. (mplayer had installed by >then). > >I thought of doing a portupgrade to libogg, but this >would have broken artsd and mplayer-esound. Is this a >bug with the latest ports tree? > Your on the right track here....read this: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html >2. MAKE FETCH-RECURSIVE: Then I deleted the entire >ports tree and installed it fresh from CD-ROM; then cd >to /usr/ports/multimedia/xmms, then make >fetch-recursive. This went on for an hour. It tried to >fetch xc... and fetched libxml2. I killed this and did >a simple make, which downloaded the correct libxml and > 40 mins later, xmms was built. > >3. Mplayer: mplayer built fine (except for a glitch >which would download all skins regardless of the >options chosen). But when I do: gmplayer &, I get a >black patch in the bottom right corner of the screen, >which should be the GUI. > >3 hours later, I felt I may have been better off with >Mandrake Linux, with Xine,Mplayer,xmms and other >goodies installed within 1 hr. For now I am sticking >with FreeBSD, but I'll soon install dual boot Mandrake >Linux 9.1 for a usable computer. > If you want to use the ports system then it is allways going to take longer, this is part of the reason that FreeBSD also has the package system: Read Chapter 4 Installing Applications: Packages and Ports: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 13:06:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E20716A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from web60507.mail.yahoo.com (web60507.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 974CB43D1D for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from viril29@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040324202449.72351.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.6.161.81] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:24:49 PST Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:24:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jamel Brown To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Setting up NIS X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:06:35 -0000 freebsd1.compulinux.org 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003 root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 freebsd2.compulinux.org 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003 root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 freebsd3.compulinux.org 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003 root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 FreeBSD freebsd4.compulinux.org 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003 root@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 I'm having several problems setting up nis on my system I have 4 computers that I am trying to setup nis on. The roles I would like my computers to play are as follows Freebsd1 Server, Freebsd2 Slave, Freebsd3 Client, and Freebsd4 Client. I have been trying to set up NIS according to what the FreeBSD hand book says several times but all with no luck. Ok here's is another thing I’m new to FreeBSD so I don’t know how to use vi and vipw very well so I always use Pico or edit instead please let me know if I am causing the problem by not using these programs. Also if you notice I have missed anything please let me know. I am not going to explain freebsd4 because freebsd3 is the same as it. Everything I typed in is after a fresh install of FreeBSD this is no other programs running except what is listed in /etc/rc.conf Also Please Type in the exact command needed to fix my problem if at all possible as I have stated before I am new to FreeBSD so please assume I don’t know. This is my output of /etc/rc.conf on Freebsd1 freebsd1# cat /etc/rc.conf kern_securelevel_enable="NO" nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" sendmail_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" usbd_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" moused_enable="YES" named_enable="YES" ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.123.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ipv6_enable="YES" defaultrouter="192.168.123.254" hostname="freebsd1.compulinux.org" nisdomainname="compulinux.org" nis_server_enable="YES" nis_yppasswdd_enable="YES" This is /etc/rc.conf on freebsd2 freebsd2# cat /etc/rc.conf kern_securelevel_enable="NO" nfs_client_enable="YES" nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" sendmail_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" usbd_enable="YES" ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.123.2 netmask 255.255.255.0" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" moused_enable="YES" ipv6_enable="YES" defaultrouter="192.168.123.254" hostname="freebsd2.compulinux.org" named_enable="YES" nisdomainname="compulinux.org" nis_yppasswdd_enable="YES" nis_server_enable="YES" This is /etc/rc.conf on Freebsd3 freebsd3# cat /etc/rc.conf kern_securelevel_enable="NO" moused_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" nfs_reserved_port_only="YES" nfs_server_enable="YES" mountd_flags="-r" sendmail_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" usbd_enable="YES" ifconfig_rl0="inet 192.168.123.3 netmask 255.255.255.0" ipv6_enable="YES" defaultrouter="192.168.123.254" hostname="freebsd3.compulinux.org" nis_client_enable="YES" nisdomainname="compulinux.org" This is my /etc/master.passwd on freebsd3 freebsd3# cat /etc/master.passwd # $FreeBSD: src/etc/master.passwd,v 1.25.2.6 2002/06/30 17:57:17 des Exp $ # root:$1$9S9qmgEH$RNedtYvD6KwWd.R09ku2.0:0:0::0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh toor:*:0:0::0:0:Bourne-again Superuser:/root: daemon:*:1:1::0:0:Owner of many system processes:/root:/sbin/nologin operator:*:2:5::0:0:System &:/:/sbin/nologin bin:*:3:7::0:0:Binaries Commands and Source:/:/sbin/nologin tty:*:4:65533::0:0:Tty Sandbox:/:/sbin/nologin kmem:*:5:65533::0:0:KMem Sandbox:/:/sbin/nologin games:*:7:13::0:0:Games pseudo-user:/usr/games:/sbin/nologin news:*:8:8::0:0:News Subsystem:/:/sbin/nologin man:*:9:9::0:0:Mister Man Pages:/usr/share/man:/sbin/nologin sshd:*:22:22::0:0:Secure Shell Daemon:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin smmsp:*:25:25::0:0:Sendmail Submission User:/var/spool/clientmqueue:/sbin/nologin mailnull:*:26:26::0:0:Sendmail Default User:/var/spool/mqueue:/sbin/nologin bind:*:53:53::0:0:Bind Sandbox:/:/sbin/nologin uucp:*:66:66::0:0:UUCP pseudo-user:/var/spool/uucppublic:/usr/libexec/uucp/uucico xten:*:67:67::0:0:X-10 daemon:/usr/local/xten:/sbin/nologin pop:*:68:6::0:0:Post Office Owner:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin www:*:80:80::0:0:World Wide Web Owner:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin nobody:*:65534:65534::0:0:Unprivileged user:/nonexistent:/sbin/nologin +::::::::: This is /etc/group on Freebsd3 freebsd3# cat /etc/group # $FreeBSD: src/etc/group,v 1.19.2.3 2002/06/30 17:57:17 des Exp $ # wheel:*:0:root daemon:*:1:daemon kmem:*:2:root sys:*:3:root tty:*:4:root operator:*:5:root mail:*:6: bin:*:7: news:*:8: man:*:9: games:*:13: staff:*:20:root sshd:*:22: smmsp:*:25: mailnull:*:26: guest:*:31:root bind:*:53: uucp:*:66: xten:*:67:xten dialer:*:68: network:*:69: www:*:80: nogroup:*:65533: nobody:*:65534: +:*:: The handbook then tells you to type a couple simple things into the server 1. nisdomainname="compulinux.org" 2. nis_server_enable="YES" 3. nis_yppasswdd_enable="YES" after doing that Instead of running /etc/netstart I just reboot then run the following commands # cp /etc/master.passwd /var/yp/master.passwd # cd /var/yp # edit master.passwd Removing all sytem account # chmod 600 master.passwd freebsd1# ypinit -m compulinux.org Server Type: MASTER Domain: compulinux.org Creating an YP server will require that you answer a few questions. Questions will all be asked at the beginning of the procedure. Do you want this procedure to quit on non-fatal errors? [y/n: n] Ok, please remember to go back and redo manually whatever fails. If you don't, something might not work. At this point, we have to construct a list of this domains YP servers. freebsd1.compulinux.org is already known as master server. Please continue to add any slave servers, one per line. When you are done with the list, type a . master server : freebsd1.compulinux.org next host to add: freebsd2.compulinux.org next host to add: ^D The current list of NIS servers looks like this: freebsd1.compulinux.org freebsd2.compulinux.org Is this correct? [y/n: y] y Building /var/yp/compulinux.org/ypservers... Running /var/yp/Makefile... NIS Map update started on Sun Mar 21 06:04:03 CST 2004 for domain compulinux.org Updating hosts.byname... Creating new /var/yp/passwd file from /var/yp/master.passwd... Updating netid.byname... Updating hosts.byaddr... yp_mkdb: no key -- check source file for blank lines Updating networks.byaddr... yp_mkdb: no key -- check source file for blank lines yp_mkdb: no key -- check source file for blank lines Updating networks.byname... yp_mkdb: no key -- check source file for blank lines yp_mkdb: no key -- check source file for blank lines Updating protocols.bynumber... Updating protocols.byname... Updating rpc.byname... Updating rpc.bynumber... Updating services.byname... yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'compressnet/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'compressnet/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'mit-ml-dev/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'mit-ml-dev/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'rap/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'rap/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '351/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '351/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '352/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '352/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '666/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '666/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '751/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '751/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '754/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '760/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '761/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '999/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '999/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'cadlock/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'csdmbase/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'csdmbase/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'csdm/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key 'csdm/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1525/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1525/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1529/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1701/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1701/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1989/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1989/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1992/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '1992/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '3455/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '4444/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '4444/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '7010/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '7010/udp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '22273/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '22289/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '22321/tcp' - skipping yp_mkdb: duplicate key '22305/tcp' - skipping Updating group.byname... Updating group.bygid... Updating passwd.byname... Updating passwd.byuid... Updating master.passwd.byname... Updating master.passwd.byuid... NIS Map update completed. freebsd1.compulinux.org has been setup as an YP master server without any errors I then edit /var/vp/Makefile and make NOPUSH = TRUE to #NOPUSH = TRUE after that i normally reboot just to make sure all changes have taken place. I then add users to the system by typing # freebsd1# adduser Use option ``-silent'' if you don't want to see all warnings and questions. Check /etc/shells Check /etc/master.passwd Check /etc/group User ``+'' has gid but a group with this gid does not exist. Usernames must match regular expression: [^[a-z0-9_][a-z0-9_-]*$]: Enter your default shell: bash csh date no sh tcsh [bash]: Your default shell is: bash -> /usr/local/bin/bash Enter your default HOME partition: [/home]: Copy dotfiles from: /usr/share/skel no [/usr/share/skel]: Send message from file: /etc/adduser.message no [/etc/adduser.message]: Use passwords (y/n) [y]: Ok, let's go. Don't worry about mistakes. I will give you the chance later to correct any input. Enter username [^[a-z0-9_][a-z0-9_-]*$]: nutso Enter full name []: Enter shell bash csh date no sh tcsh [bash]: Enter home directory (full path) [/home/nutso]: Uid [1001]: Enter login class: default []: Login group nutso [nutso]: Login group is ``nutso''. Invite nutso into other groups: guest no [no]: wheel Enter password []: Enter password again []: Name: nutso Password: **** Fullname: nutso Uid: 1001 Gid: 1001 (nutso) Class: Groups: nutso wheel HOME: /home/nutso Shell: /usr/local/bin/bash OK? (y/n) [y]: Added user ``nutso'' Send message to ``nutso'' and: no root second_mail_address [no]: nutso, your account ``nutso'' was created. Have fun! See also chpass(1), finger(1), passwd(1) Add anything to default message (y/n) [n]: Send message (y/n) [y]: Copy files from /usr/share/skel to /home/nutso Add another user? (y/n) [y]: Enter username [^[a-z0-9_][a-z0-9_-]*$]: viril29 Enter full name []: Enter shell bash csh date no sh tcsh [bash]: Enter home directory (full path) [/home/viril29]: Uid [1004]: Enter login class: default []: Login group viril29 [viril29]: Login group is ``viril29''. Invite viril29 into other groups: guest no wheel [wheel]: Enter password []: Enter password again []: Name: viril29 Password: **** Fullname: viril29 Uid: 1004 Due to the system not coping these two user to /var/yp/master.passwd i manually copy then into /var/yp/master.passwd Please let me know how to fix that. after editing the /var/yp/passwd file i will type in. #make NIS Map update started on Sun Mar 21 06:35:31 CST 2004 for domain compulinux.org Updating group.byname... yppush: transfer of map group.byname to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed group.byname map. Updating group.bygid... yppush: transfer of map group.bygid to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed group.bygid map. Creating new /var/yp/passwd file from /var/yp/master.passwd... Updating netid.byname... yppush: transfer of map netid.byname to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed netid.byname map. Updating passwd.byname... yppush: transfer of map passwd.byname to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed passwd.byname map. Updating passwd.byuid... yppush: transfer of map passwd.byuid to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed passwd.byuid map. Updating master.passwd.byname... yppush: transfer of map master.passwd.byname to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed master.passwd.byname map. Updating master.passwd.byuid... yppush: transfer of map master.passwd.byuid to server freebsd1.compulinux.org failed yppush: status returned by ypxfr: Master's version not newer Pushed master.passwd.byuid map. NIS Map update completed. I then goto the Slave server I edit /etc/rc.conf place the following in it. 1. nisdomainname="compulinux.org" 2. nis_server_enable="YES" 3. nis_yppasswdd_enable="YES" I then type in freebsd2# ypinit -s freebsd1 compulinux.org Server Type: SLAVE Domain: compulinux.org Master: freebsd1 Creating an YP server will require that you answer a few questions. Questions will all be asked at the beginning of the procedure. Do you want this procedure to quit on non-fatal errors? [y/n: n] Ok, please remember to go back and redo manually whatever fails. If you don't, something might not work. There will be no further questions. The remainder of the procedure should take a few minutes, to copy the databases from freebsd1. Transfering master.passwd.byuid... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering passwd.byuid... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering passwd.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering group.bygid... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering group.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering services.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering rpc.bynumber... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering rpc.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering protocols.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering master.passwd.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering networks.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering protocols.bynumber... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering hosts.byaddr... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering netid.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering hosts.byname... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering networks.byaddr... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred Transfering ypservers... ypxfr: Exiting: Map successfully transferred freebsd2.compulinux.org has been setup as an YP slave server without any errors. Don't forget to update map ypservers on freebsd1. I then edit /etc/contab and put the following in it. 20 * * * * root /usr/libexec/ypxfr passwd.byname 21 * * * * root /usr/libexec/ypxfr passwd.byuid Then I reboot that system then goto freebsd3 I edit /etc/rc.conf placing 1. nisdomainname="compulinux.org" 2. nis_client_enable="YES" I edit /etc/master.passwd placing +::::::::: at the end of the file I edit /etc/group placing +:*:: at the end of the file I then reboot that then run the commands freebsd3# ypcat passwd nutso:*:1001:1001:nutso:/home/nutso:/usr/local/bin/bash viril29:*:1004:1004:viril29:/home/viril29:/usr/local/bin/bash freebsd3# su nutso su: unknown login: nutso freebsd3# su viril29 su: unknown login: viril29 Please let me know what i am doing wrong. Thank You Jamel A. Brown I e-mail the above to questions@freebsd.org which they replied by telling me to due the following I added portmap_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf on all hosts freebsd1# rpcinfo usage: rpcinfo [-n portnum] -u host prognum [versnum] rpcinfo [-n portnum] -t host prognum [versnum] rpcinfo -p [host] rpcinfo -b prognum versnum rpcinfo -d prognum versnum freebsd1# rpcinfo -p freebsd1 program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100004 1 udp 1021 ypserv 100004 2 udp 1021 ypserv 100004 1 tcp 1023 ypserv 100004 2 tcp 1023 ypserv 100009 1 udp 1011 yppasswdd 100009 1 tcp 1022 yppasswdd freebsd2# rpcinfo -p freebsd2 program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100004 1 udp 1021 ypserv 100004 2 udp 1021 ypserv 100004 1 tcp 1023 ypserv 100004 2 tcp 1023 ypserv freebsd3# rpcinfo -p freebsd3 program vers proto port 100000 2 tcp 111 portmapper 100000 2 udp 111 portmapper 100007 2 udp 1022 ypbind 100007 2 tcp 1023 ypbind 100005 3 udp 1018 mountd 100005 3 tcp 1022 mountd 100005 1 udp 1018 mountd 100005 1 tcp 1022 mountd 100003 2 udp 2049 nfs 100003 3 udp 2049 nfs 100003 2 tcp 2049 nfs 100003 3 tcp 2049 nfs 100024 1 udp 1006 status 100024 1 tcp 1021 status freebsd1# ypwhich ypwhich: can't clntudp_create: Can't communicate with ypbind freebsd2# ypwhich ypwhich: can't clntudp_create: Can't communicate with ypbind freebsd3# ypwhich freebsd1.compulinux.org freebsd1# ypcat passwd ypcat: no such map passwd.byname. reason: Can't bind to server which serves this domain freebsd2# ypcat passwd ypcat: no such map passwd.byname. reason: Can't bind to server which serves this domain freebsd3# ypcat passwd nutso:*:1001:1001:nutso:/home/nutso:/usr/local/bin/bash viril29:*:1004:1004:viril29:/home/viril29:/usr/local/bin/bash I also ran freebsd1# pw usermod -n viril29 -m freebsd1# pw usermod -n nutso -m freebsd2# pw usermod -n nutso -m pw: no such user `nutso' freebsd2# pw usermod -n viril29 -m pw: no such user `viril29' freebsd3# pw usermod -n nusto -m pw: no such user `nusto' freebsd3# pw usermod -n viril29 -m pw: no such user `viril29' But i still get freebsd3# su nutso su: unknown login: nutso freebsd3# su viril29 su: unknown login: viril29 When I try to login these accounts From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 15:23:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18D2716A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E4F43D31 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:23:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.35.99]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2ONN8BQ004975 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:23:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4062266D.1040702@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 18:23:09 -0600 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Newbies@BSD" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: The usbdThis daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:23:10 -0000 Hi Everyone, When my system starts the standard daemons, something funny happens - it tries to run usbdThis. And then it tries to find a module called This. Evidently I mistyped something somewhere - what do I do to pull this This out of my system? -- ~*~* Jason From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 19:57:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B2A16A4CF for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DC1043D39 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:57:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040325035749.77000.qmail@web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25009.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:57:49 GMT Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:57:49 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org Subject: sybase 11.9.2 on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:57:51 -0000 hi has anyone a link to install sybase 11.9.2 on FreeBSD 5.2.1? 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 22:08:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3190E16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EB2C43D46 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:08:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040325060759.3829.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:07:59 GMT Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:07:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: can't plat xmms in KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:08:01 -0000 hi all, 1. I can't play XMMS in KDE (I can in GNOME). THe error I get is: "some other application is using the device /dev..." I believe the artsD deamon is using the sound card. What is the work around to this? DO I need to make deinstall and make reinstall of XMMS? 2. do xmms plugins have to be deinstalled first before xmms? THanks in advance. Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 22:27:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D6B16A4CE; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:27:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBD243D2F; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:27:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@ec.rr.com) Received: from ec.rr.com (cpe-024-211-231-149.ec.rr.com [24.211.231.149]) i2P6QxSm027023; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:26:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40627C2A.4080603@ec.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:28:58 -0500 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040210 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav References: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040322043307.2206.qmail@web25006.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MUTA X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:27:02 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi all, >I know MUTAs are used to fetch mail from POP servers >and send mails (via SMTP) such as HOTPOP.com > >I am confused what I should install. > >Mutt,pine,fetchmail... >All I need is Microsoft outlook functionality. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 24 22:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A770816A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C01C43D49 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:38:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@ec.rr.com) Received: from ec.rr.com (cpe-024-211-231-149.ec.rr.com [24.211.231.149]) i2P6coSm001695; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:38:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40627EF1.6060805@ec.rr.com> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:40:49 -0500 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20040210 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton References: <40609021.3070908@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <40609021.3070908@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU Clock Freq X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:38:53 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: > Can anyone explain why the clock is off by 17Mhz? This is non critical > btw I was just playing with the diff command an wasn't expecting to > see this, the system is FreeBSD 5.2.1 running as a guest OS in VMWare > (Win2k host).....my guess is its just vmware playing tricks on freebsd... > > #diff dmesg.today dmesg.yesterday > 8c8 > < CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1733.85-MHz 686-class CPU) > --- > > CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1716.78-MHz 686-class CPU) > 79c79 > < Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1733846104 Hz quality 800 > --- > > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1716778304 Hz quality 800 > 85a86,91 > > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > > WARNING: /tmp was not properly dismounted > > /tmp: mount pending error: blocks 4 files 3 > > WARNING: /usr was not properly dismounted > > WARNING: /var was not properly dismounted > > cd9660: RockRidge Extension > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > If no else will take this one, because of percent error. The clock generator make a reference clock much lower that you cpu. The cpu uses multipliers of buses that are multiplies of this reference clock. If the quartz crystal is off by 1%, then multiply by 10, 100, or 10,000 you can get 17 or more mhz off. Also the temp of the crystal plays a role in the frequency at which it vibrates. So a cold bootup vs a warm reboot will cause variance. I am going from memory so this might not be perfect info. Opps, I did not see the vmware part. Well this info should still apply. With a good motherboard monitor program you should see the cpu fluxuation a little too. By the way are you shutting down freebsd properly? Jason From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 00:31:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6011C16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.home.se (smtp1.home.se [213.214.194.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1598043D46 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from johan.jl@home.se) Received: from LIMESTONE johan.jl@home.se [213.113.186.95] Novell NetWare; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:24:08 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johan_Lindstr=F6m?= To: "'jason'" , "'Nikolas Britton'" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:27:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <40627EF1.6060805@ec.rr.com> Thread-Index: AcQSM23rueLXRhXaQe2saFaFbjj6/QADue4A Message-Id: <20040325083057.1598043D46@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: SV: CPU Clock Freq X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:31:00 -0000 Nikolas, try the snapshot function of VMWare of you don=92t want to see = the cool startup messages. -- Johan=20 > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] F=F6r jason > Skickat: den 25 mars 2004 07:41 > Till: Nikolas Britton > Kopia: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > =C4mne: Re: CPU Clock Freq >=20 > Nikolas Britton wrote: >=20 > > Can anyone explain why the clock is off by 17Mhz? This is=20 > non critical=20 > > btw I was just playing with the diff command an wasn't expecting to=20 > > see this, the system is FreeBSD 5.2.1 running as a guest OS=20 > in VMWare=20 > > (Win2k host).....my guess is its just vmware playing tricks=20 > on freebsd... > > > > #diff dmesg.today dmesg.yesterday > > 8c8 > > < CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1733.85-MHz 686-class CPU) > > --- > > > CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1.70GHz (1716.78-MHz 686-class CPU) > > 79c79 > > < Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1733846104 Hz quality 800 > > --- > > > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1716778304 Hz quality 800 > > 85a86,91 > > > WARNING: / was not properly dismounted > > > WARNING: /tmp was not properly dismounted > > > /tmp: mount pending error: blocks 4 files 3 > > > WARNING: /usr was not properly dismounted > > > WARNING: /var was not properly dismounted > > > cd9660: RockRidge Extension > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > If no else will take this one, because of percent error. The clock=20 > generator make a reference clock much lower that you cpu. =20 > The cpu uses=20 > multipliers of buses that are multiplies of this reference clock. If=20 > the quartz crystal is off by 1%, then multiply by 10, 100, or=20 > 10,000 you=20 > can get 17 or more mhz off. Also the temp of the crystal=20 > plays a role=20 > in the frequency at which it vibrates. So a cold bootup vs a warm=20 > reboot will cause variance. I am going from memory so this=20 > might not be=20 > perfect info. Opps, I did not see the vmware part. Well this info=20 > should still apply. With a good motherboard monitor program=20 > you should=20 > see the cpu fluxuation a little too. By the way are you =20 > shutting down=20 > freebsd properly? >=20 > Jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 >=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 01:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9838216A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f132.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729CE43D48 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:36:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 01:36:12 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2004 09:36:12.0109 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C3A2FD0:01C4124C] Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:12 -0000 Hi List, Sorry, the thread has become so fragmented at this point, I can't really find a good last message to send a reply to. Nor can I really find a good way to integrate the past comments. This message is intended as a general reply to all the previously mentioned points in this thread. To state my main point firstly, the problem, as I see it, is not a matter of people asking technical questions, but a matter of people answering questions here. This is a problem (again, IMHO) because more authoritative and knowlegable voices are not generally present here. I would then propose that, in cases of technical replies, that a minimal rule of CC'ing the -questions list be imposed. (With the more knowledgeable members of this list forwarding to questions when another newbie forgets.) While this uses far more bandwidth, it reduces the constraints presently on this list and allows for more colorful replies than "send this to -questions." I have, personally, tried to follow such a path when I do actually attempt to answer a question. For me, a good guideline for a -newbies question has been: if the question is clear and I feel I can contribute something: Reply and CC to -questions If it's a FAQ or covered in the documentation: Give a link to the doc.s and let the sender know the proper list is -questions. If the question is unclear: Notify the user of the proper list and point out any problems with the question. While I know that many list members already follow personal rules, I would like to have solid guidelines and have them reflected in the charter. As a secondary point, I would also like to get, at least, a general agreement on what we should consider a technical reply. I would propose the simple criteria of whether or not the reply is advice. (example: it should be alright to point a user to a document, but not to say that a user should follow the steps in a document to solve a specific problem.) I would like to see these issues specified, again, at least by general agreement, then to ask our fellows on -questions to agree to some level of integration, then to document the new arrangement and/or begin operating under such rules. While I, personally, have no problem using the current system, I have replied to others to post to -questions quite often, and not seen the message to -questions. I can't help but feel that some of those people gave up on freebsd, rather than take the time to send yet another message. Other than creating an -install list, allowing for a link between the two lists seems the only reasonable method for addressing this issue. I know this thread is somewhat dead, but I finally had a free minute to reply to this. questions/comments welcome. Regards, Clayton Rollins PS. Recently a list member wanted to share the advice they had recieved. While I agree that this is a bad idea, I would encourage people in such a situation to rephrase the message as "what worked for me" and/or "documents I found useful." I'd also think it would be appropriate to CC -questions for technical-type stuff (for archiving and possibly some correction by the -questions members :) ). _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 04:39:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F7116A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:39:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8944043D45 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:39:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc06-chc-il-209-109-234-221.rasserver.net ([209.109.234.221] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B6U85-00069C-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 04:38:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4062D2CB.40400@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:38:35 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?windows-1252?Q?Johan_Lindstr=F6m?= , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040325083057.1598043D46@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20040325083057.1598043D46@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: jason@ec.rr.com Subject: Re: SV: CPU Clock Freq X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:39:25 -0000 Johan Lindström wrote: >Nikolas, try the snapshot function of VMWare of you don’t want to see the >cool startup messages. > >-- Johan > Thanks jason & johan for the info. As for the disks not being sync'd before reboot, donno how that happend, normaly I do "shutdown -h now" or "reboot" on my systems. The system in question though is just a demo/test so I'm not to concerned about it. :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 05:35:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A013216A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D76A43D46 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc06-chc-il-209-109-234-221.rasserver.net ([209.109.234.221] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B6V13-0007lr-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:35:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4062E01C.4040208@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:35:24 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040325060759.3829.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040325060759.3829.qmail@web25005.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: can't plat xmms in KDE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 13:35:28 -0000 I to am sorta having this problem too.... After setting up a fresh install of FreeBSD 5.2.1 and installing XFCE4, XMMS et al. from ports I tried to test xmms and it says that it can not find /dev/dsp or that it's busy or something of the sort. I've setup the card (DEC Workstation with onboard ESS 1887) as a KO (pcm and sbc) in /boot/loader.conf, checked dmesg to see that they were loaded, checked that the devices nodes are in /dev, and also have confirmed that the card is working by using cdcontrol to play CDs....I read briefly in the multimedia section of the handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia.html about setting the card to use multiple sound sources but have not had the time to try it, setting up sound isn't high on my todo list :-). So my question is, if I follow the advice in the handbook about multiple sound sources will this fix the problem I'm having with xmms?, if not do you have relevant links? Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi all, >1. I can't play XMMS in KDE (I can in GNOME). >THe error I get is: "some other application is using >the device /dev..." >I believe the artsD deamon is using the sound card. >What is the work around to this? >DO I need to make deinstall and make reinstall of >XMMS? > >2. do xmms plugins have to be deinstalled first before >xmms? THanks in advance. > >Tk > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 06:36:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5362916A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net (turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.126]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C2143D45 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:36:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user116.net311.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([198.70.221.116] helo=kt.weeble.com) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B6Vxk-0007ac-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 06:36:04 -0800 Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:03 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: clayton rollins Message-Id: <20040325093603.3d5ed8bb.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Sue Blake cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:36:12 -0000 On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:11 +0000 Clayton Rollins wrote: > > Hi List, Hi Clayton, Please don't take my comments as any personal affrontation since I have quite different views. > Sorry, the thread has become so fragmented at this > point, I can't really find a good last message to send > a reply to. Nor can I really find a good way to > integrate the past comments. This message is > intended as a general reply to all the previously > mentioned points in this thread. > > To state my main point firstly, the problem, as I see > it, is not a matter of people asking technical > questions, but a matter of people answering > questions here. This is a problem (again, IMHO) > because more authoritative and knowlegable voices > are not generally present here. Asking technical questions in -newbies does not follow the FAK: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > I would then propose that, in cases of technical replies, > that a minimal rule of CC'ing the -questions list be > imposed. (With the more knowledgeable members of > this list forwarding to questions when another > newbie forgets.) I don't think this will help since it would only encourage asking of technical questions here. Invariably, people will start answering. I've also noticed that people who have been doing this cause the person on -questions to CC the -newbies list, thereby perpetuating the asking/answering questions here myth. The convention is to use "Reply All" when answering a question is why this happens. The best approach would be to mail the -questions list directly and not CC the -newbies list. If the purpose is to expose new users to more information, then the -questions mailing list can be read online (highly suggested) without subscribing: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html Cross-posting should also be avoided since it only increases the noise level. Only some circumstances warrant cross-posting such as when you need to reach a wide range of people on a topic that affects them. > While this uses far more bandwidth, it reduces the > constraints presently on this list and allows for > more colorful replies than "send this to -questions." > > I have, personally, tried to follow such a path when > I do actually attempt to answer a question. For me, > a good guideline for a -newbies question has been: > > if the question is clear and I feel I can contribute > something: > Reply and CC to -questions Your intention is good but contrary to the charter for this group. If your going to answer a question, please trim the CC for the -newbies group and only CC the -questions list. > If it's a FAQ or covered in the documentation: > Give a link to the doc.s and let the sender know > the proper list is -questions. > > If the question is unclear: > Notify the user of the proper list and point out > any problems with the question. This is covered in the weekly posting to -questions on "How To Ask Questions": http://www.lemis.com/questions.html The same link is also given in the weekly FAK posting here. > While I know that many list members already > follow personal rules, I would like to have > solid guidelines and have them reflected in > the charter. There are solid guidlines already. See the FAK link above. No matter what "solid" guidlines you make (unless its none) then there will always be a problem in getting people to read them and then getting people to follow them. Even on the -questions list, people have to be reminded that their post isn't a question and off-topic discussions should be taken to -chat. > As a secondary point, I would also like to get, > at least, a general agreement on what we > should consider a technical reply. > > I would propose the simple criteria of whether > or not the reply is advice. (example: it should > be alright to point a user to a document, but > not to say that a user should follow the steps > in a document to solve a specific problem.) I would go much further. If you are going to suggest a link. I would limit them to the documentation provided by FreeBSD.org since only that documentation has been subjected to review. > I would like to see these issues specified, > again, at least by general agreement, then > to ask our fellows on -questions to agree to > some level of integration, then to > document the new arrangement and/or > begin operating under such rules. Again, why not just post directly to -questions? > While I, personally, have no problem using > the current system, I have replied to others > to post to -questions quite often, and not > seen the message to -questions. I can't > help but feel that some of those people > gave up on freebsd, rather than take the > time to send yet another message. > > Other than creating an -install list, > allowing for a link between the two lists > seems the only reasonable method for > addressing this issue. There was much resistance to creating this -newbies list because the people who answer technical questions simply do not want (yet another) mailing list to read. Also of a concern was that it would degrade into the asking of questions and the answers wouldn't be subject to review by a wide range of technical experience. Another list isn't going to solve anything and I seriously doubt if the core team and/or developers would agree with its creation. > I know this thread is somewhat dead, but > I finally had a free minute to reply to this. > questions/comments welcome. > > Regards, > Clayton Rollins > > PS. Recently a list member wanted to share > the advice they had recieved. While I agree > that this is a bad idea, I would encourage > people in such a situation to rephrase the > message as "what worked for me" and/or > "documents I found useful." I'd also think > it would be appropriate to CC -questions > for technical-type stuff (for archiving and > possibly some correction by the -questions > members :) ). There have been few on-topic postings to this list for some time. I can suggest another method to resolve the situation. Close the freebsd-newbies mailing list down. This would certainly resolve the issue asking technical questions here. This issue can be discussed and new guidlines be suggested but it in all probability would have to be approved by the developers and/or the core team. There's always the possibility that this will open the old discussion where there was much heated debate over this group's creation for the reasons mentioned above. I've CC'd Sue Blake since she was instrumental in getting this list creation approved. I'm sure she'll be able to add some details that I've long since forgotten. Best regards, Randy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 17:06:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D3A16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f49.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D16243D48 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:06:34 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:06:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:06:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2004 01:06:34.0199 (UTC) FILETIME=[94C92670:01C412CE] Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:06:34 -0000 Hi Randy, On March 24, 2004, Randy Pratt wrote: > >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:11 +0000 Clayton Rollins wrote: > > > Hi List, > >Hi Clayton, > >Please don't take my comments as any personal affrontation since >I have quite different views. > No worries. :) > > Sorry, the thread has become so fragmented at this > > point, I can't really find a good last message to send > > a reply to. Nor can I really find a good way to > > integrate the past comments. This message is > > intended as a general reply to all the previously > > mentioned points in this thread. > > > > To state my main point firstly, the problem, as I see > > it, is not a matter of people asking technical > > questions, but a matter of people answering > > questions here. This is a problem (again, IMHO) > > because more authoritative and knowlegable voices > > are not generally present here. > >Asking technical questions in -newbies does not follow >the FAK: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all > questions about installing, configuring, running and using > FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, > including newbies questions. > While I've read the FAK, not all people do. My comments were directed more for the situation where a question does end up here. My intention is not to encourage asking questions here, but to find a consensus method of dealing with such questions. > > I would then propose that, in cases of technical replies, > > that a minimal rule of CC'ing the -questions list be > > imposed. (With the more knowledgeable members of > > this list forwarding to questions when another > > newbie forgets.) > >I don't think this will help since it would only encourage >asking of technical questions here. Invariably, people will >start answering. > >I've also noticed that people who have been doing this cause >the person on -questions to CC the -newbies list, thereby >perpetuating the asking/answering questions here myth. The >convention is to use "Reply All" when answering a question is >why this happens. > >The best approach would be to mail the -questions list directly >and not CC the -newbies list. If the purpose is to expose >new users to more information, then the -questions mailing list >can be read online (highly suggested) without subscribing: > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html > >Cross-posting should also be avoided since it only increases the >noise level. Only some circumstances warrant cross-posting such >as when you need to reach a wide range of people on a topic that >affects them. > Here, I agree with you. My main concern was to allow users a path to follow when answering questions, not with where they do it. A minor secondary concern was the consistency of threads but, if the person moving the thread to -questions were to post the fact that the thread has moved, this concern could be minimized. I see the danger of perpetuating the myth as a minimal danger because, as mentioned above, people do ask questions here. The new subscriber, having only read the list a short time, will generally see some questions posted, regardless of what policy may be. Bottom line: forwarding the thread to -questions and/or answering it there would be an acceptable course of action, in my opinion. > > > While this uses far more bandwidth, it reduces the > > constraints presently on this list and allows for > > more colorful replies than "send this to -questions." > > > > I have, personally, tried to follow such a path when > > I do actually attempt to answer a question. For me, > > a good guideline for a -newbies question has been: > > > > if the question is clear and I feel I can contribute > > something: > > Reply and CC to -questions > >Your intention is good but contrary to the charter for this >group. If your going to answer a question, please trim the >CC for the -newbies group and only CC the -questions list. > I'll avoid doing so in the future. (see comments above.) > > > If it's a FAQ or covered in the documentation: > > Give a link to the doc.s and let the sender know > > the proper list is -questions. > > > > If the question is unclear: > > Notify the user of the proper list and point out > > any problems with the question. > >This is covered in the weekly posting to -questions >on "How To Ask Questions": > > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html > >The same link is also given in the weekly FAK posting here. > Again, not everyone reads it. (And, not everyone subscribes for a week before asking a question.) Although, I was being a bit unclear. My intention was that one should point the asker to that document and maybe point out what they would find useful, if they were trying to answer the question. > > > While I know that many list members already > > follow personal rules, I would like to have > > solid guidelines and have them reflected in > > the charter. > >There are solid guidlines already. See the FAK link above. > >No matter what "solid" guidlines you make (unless its none) >then there will always be a problem in getting people to read >them and then getting people to follow them. > >Even on the -questions list, people have to be reminded that >their post isn't a question and off-topic discussions should be >taken to -chat. > I kind of overstated my intentions here. The charter and FAK don't necessarily need to change in fundamental ways. I like the FAK and it's guidelines, but I feel that: "There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. " doesn't cover all situations. Technically, your method of moving the thread to -questions wouldn't really be allowed under that statement, nor would pointing the asker to the appropriate documentation. My intention was more to spark discussion and perhaps reach a better guideline than what is in place. > > > As a secondary point, I would also like to get, > > at least, a general agreement on what we > > should consider a technical reply. > > > > I would propose the simple criteria of whether > > or not the reply is advice. (example: it should > > be alright to point a user to a document, but > > not to say that a user should follow the steps > > in a document to solve a specific problem.) > >I would go much further. If you are going to suggest a link. >I would limit them to the documentation provided by FreeBSD.org >since only that documentation has been subjected to review. > I appreciate the reasoning here. Of course, I also think that people should understand what constitutes official documentation, regardless of where they may get it. I generally try to limit any references to reliable (reviewed) sources. (ie. the official doc.s and mailing list archives.) > > > I would like to see these issues specified, > > again, at least by general agreement, then > > to ask our fellows on -questions to agree to > > some level of integration, then to > > document the new arrangement and/or > > begin operating under such rules. > >Again, why not just post directly to -questions? > I was hoping for consensus from this community, then to get some sort of agreement from -questions. (I wouldn't want to anger them with duplicate threads and/or questions that are handled in the documentation.) > > > While I, personally, have no problem using > > the current system, I have replied to others > > to post to -questions quite often, and not > > seen the message to -questions. I can't > > help but feel that some of those people > > gave up on freebsd, rather than take the > > time to send yet another message. > > > > Other than creating an -install list, > > allowing for a link between the two lists > > seems the only reasonable method for > > addressing this issue. > >There was much resistance to creating this -newbies list >because the people who answer technical questions simply do >not want (yet another) mailing list to read. Also of a concern >was that it would degrade into the asking of questions and >the answers wouldn't be subject to review by a wide range of >technical experience. > >Another list isn't going to solve anything and I seriously >doubt if the core team and/or developers would agree with >its creation. > I do not advocate creating a new list. (In fact, I'm quite against it.) I was only mentioning it as another list member had mentioned it, and it seemed like a decent alternate way of addressing the issue of new users being afraid to ask their question in -questions. > > > I know this thread is somewhat dead, but > > I finally had a free minute to reply to this. > > questions/comments welcome. > > > > Regards, > > Clayton Rollins > > > > PS. Recently a list member wanted to share > > the advice they had recieved. While I agree > > that this is a bad idea, I would encourage > > people in such a situation to rephrase the > > message as "what worked for me" and/or > > "documents I found useful." I'd also think > > it would be appropriate to CC -questions > > for technical-type stuff (for archiving and > > possibly some correction by the -questions > > members :) ). > >There have been few on-topic postings to this list for some >time. I can suggest another method to resolve the situation. >Close the freebsd-newbies mailing list down. This would >certainly resolve the issue asking technical questions here. > I don't think it's that bad yet :). > >This issue can be discussed and new guidlines be suggested but it >in all probability would have to be approved by the developers and/or >the core team. There's always the possibility that this will open >the old discussion where there was much heated debate over this >group's creation for the reasons mentioned above. > I don't think this requires major changes. (Though, I know any changes will have to be approved by the larger community.) For instance, simply forwarding the questions to -questions would fix the problem. My real desire is simply that we have another possibility than saying "ask on -questions." And, secondarily, maybe a better definition of what types of responses, if any, might be appropriate here. > >I've CC'd Sue Blake since she was instrumental in getting this >list creation approved. I'm sure she'll be able to add some >details that I've long since forgotten. > I've followed your lead, though this was mostly intended to just be discussion, not any solid propositions. > >Best regards, > >Randy Thanks for your comments, and thanks for correcting me on some points ;), Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 19:08:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2A16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.10.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0093243D5D for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:08:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20040326030827.41463.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:08:27 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:08:27 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: GNOME/KDE menu Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:08:28 -0000 hi, How can I add entries to menus in GNOME and KDE? thanks Tk ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 20:03:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFE916A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C2E43D2F for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:03:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-209-109-231-118.rasserver.net ([209.109.231.118] helo=nbritton.org) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B6iZW-000092-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:03:55 -0800 Message-ID: <4063ABA9.5020900@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:03:53 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040326030827.41463.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040326030827.41463.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: GNOME/KDE menu Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 04:03:57 -0000 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi, >How can I add entries to menus in GNOME and KDE? >thanks >Tk > > > Gnome, KDE, x11, and most everything else in the ports/packages system are independent of freebsd. Questions such as this should be taken else where. http://kde.org/documentation/ http://www.kde.org/ http://freebsd.kde.org/ http://gnome.org/learn/ http://www.gnome.org/ http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ http://xfce.org/index.php?page=documentation&lang=en http://www.xfce.org/ http://www.xfree.org/support.html http://www.xfree.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 21:16:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDC516A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net (cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC63843D2F for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:16:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rpratt1950@earthlink.net) Received: from user116.net311.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([198.70.221.116] helo=kt.weeble.com) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1B6jhy-0006e6-00; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 21:16:42 -0800 Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 00:16:54 -0500 From: Randy Pratt To: "clayton rollins" Message-Id: <20040326001654.4bf5c150.rpratt1950@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: sue@welearn.com.au cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:16:58 -0000 On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:04:02 +0000 "clayton rollins" wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > On March 24, 2004, Randy Pratt wrote: > > > >On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 09:36:11 +0000 Clayton Rollins wrote: [snip] > While I've read the FAK, not all people do. My comments were > directed more for the situation where a question does end > up here. My intention is not to encourage asking questions > here, but to find a consensus method of dealing with such > questions. Yes, sadly that is true. Herein lies part of a more general problem also. These same people are not likely to have read: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html These are all quite plainly linked from the freebsd.org main page. Often, many questions are answered there. And, often, there's hardly a common question that hasn't been answered before and can be found in the archives. > > > I would then propose that, in cases of technical replies, > > > that a minimal rule of CC'ing the -questions list be > > > imposed. (With the more knowledgeable members of > > > this list forwarding to questions when another > > > newbie forgets.) [snip] > >The best approach would be to mail the -questions list directly > >and not CC the -newbies list. If the purpose is to expose > >new users to more information, then the -questions mailing list > >can be read online (highly suggested) without subscribing: > > > > http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html > > > >Cross-posting should also be avoided since it only increases the > >noise level. Only some circumstances warrant cross-posting such > >as when you need to reach a wide range of people on a topic that > >affects them. > > > > Here, I agree with you. My main concern was to allow users > a path to follow when answering questions, not with where > they do it. Yes, I think its perfectly acceptable to answer questions but trim the freebsd-newbies mailing list and CC the freebsd-questions list where it will be reviewed by a wide range of individuals for accuracy. It would also be wise to mention that it is being moved to freebsd-questions and why. > A minor secondary concern was the consistency of threads > but, if the person moving the thread to -questions were to > post the fact that the thread has moved, this concern > could be minimized. I am guilty of this myself. This is called "root-posting". I do not subscribe to a raft of mailing lists. I read almost all of them online and if I decide to reply to a post, then I have to cut-paste from a browser to the mail client. Most mail clients do not have provisions for maintaining the message threading information manually. The real problem with this is that the mailing list archives then cannot thread messages properly and appear as new threads. > I see the danger of perpetuating the myth as a minimal > danger because, as mentioned above, people do ask > questions here. The new subscriber, having only read the > list a short time, will generally see some questions > posted, regardless of what policy may be. > > Bottom line: forwarding the thread to -questions and/or > answering it there would be an acceptable course of > action, in my opinion. Yes, I agree with this. [snip] > I kind of overstated my intentions here. The charter and FAK > don't necessarily need to change in fundamental ways. > > I like the FAK and it's guidelines, but I feel that: > "There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect > their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. " > doesn't cover all situations. > > Technically, your method of moving the thread to > -questions wouldn't really be allowed under that statement, > nor would pointing the asker to the appropriate > documentation. > > My intention was more to spark discussion and perhaps > reach a better guideline than what is in place. These are some examples of how I've responded to technical questions in the past: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20031213091345.1ca7d655.rpratt1950 http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20040309130943.778e159a.rpratt1950 http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20040320155512.0205db3c.rpratt1950 I don't feel its "answering" the technical question by pointing to existing freebsd.org documentation. If it is, then I'm guilty and would cease and desist immediately. At the end of any documentation pointers, I point the original poster to the -questions mailing list if he needs anything further. [snip] > I was hoping for consensus from this community, > then to get some sort of agreement from > -questions. (I wouldn't want to anger them with > duplicate threads and/or questions that are handled > in the documentation.) It is expected that if you have elected to use a unix operating system (FreeBSD in this case), that you understand that reading the documentation is a necessity. If you have read the documentation and still have specific questions then it shouldn't arouse any anger. In fact, it might just point out a weakness in the documentation that needs to be corrected. This is often how documentation gets corrected or created. As an aside, the installation instructions in the Handbook are a good example of this process. When I first decided to use FreeBSD, I couldn't find the type of documentation I wanted to see for installation. I kept detailed notes and created a rough document. Eventually, after several iterations it was committed to the Handbook. Since then, many individuals have corrected/added more information. > > > > > While I, personally, have no problem using > > > the current system, I have replied to others > > > to post to -questions quite often, and not > > > seen the message to -questions. I can't > > > help but feel that some of those people > > > gave up on freebsd, rather than take the > > > time to send yet another message. I don't have any problems with the newbies constraints as they are either. [snip] > >There have been few on-topic postings to this list for some > >time. I can suggest another method to resolve the situation. > >Close the freebsd-newbies mailing list down. This would > >certainly resolve the issue asking technical questions here. > > > > I don't think it's that bad yet :). If people are getting discouraged by being referred to the -questions mailing list, then it is a problem. I would hate to think that this is the case. > >This issue can be discussed and new guidlines be suggested but it > >in all probability would have to be approved by the developers and/or > >the core team. There's always the possibility that this will open > >the old discussion where there was much heated debate over this > >group's creation for the reasons mentioned above. > > > > I don't think this requires major changes. (Though, I know > any changes will have to be approved by the larger community.) > > For instance, simply forwarding the questions to -questions > would fix the problem. >From http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ : "FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place." I think what you are proposing is already permitted by the FAK. Notice the "questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions" part. Just don't CC the -newbies list with your answers. Perhaps if Sue has some time, she can clarify the intent of the statement. I think she's been quite busy with other things lately and hasn't had much time for this list. > My real desire is simply that we have another possibility > than saying "ask on -questions." And, secondarily, maybe a > better definition of what types of responses, if any, might be > appropriate here. I personally don't feel that pointing out relevant documentation is answering a question but that shouldn't include any specific discussion of the problem/solution. Then asking them to post to -questions if they still need assistance isn't out of order. I think it is better to point them to things to read before they post to -questions so that they can better formulate their question to get the best results from it. Its equally important to make the poster feel like they are welcome and that you are trying to help them but convey that we have to live within the constraints of the -newbie charter/FAK. I think you and I are in agreement on things now that we've discussed them more. Best regards, Randy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 23:19:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A20D16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:19:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from serv01.divms.uiowa.edu (serv01.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.44.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BDB43D58 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:19:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu) Received: from cs.uiowa.edu ([128.255.33.169]) by serv01.divms.uiowa.edu with id i2Q7Js3A013498 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:19:55 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4063D99C.3040704@cs.uiowa.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:19:56 -0500 From: Jason Dusek Organization: University of Iowa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Newbies@BSD" References: <20040326030827.41463.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040326030827.41463.qmail@web25010.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.901 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 Subject: Re: GNOME/KDE menu Q X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jdusek@cs.uiowa.edu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:19:56 -0000 In GNOME, to add something to Applications, open Nautilus and then go into: applications:/// Where you'll see all your menus and stuff layed out in their own little directory structure. Just make launchers and then drag and drop. ~*\\~*~\\*~Cheers ~*~\\~*~\\~*~Jason Tadimeti Keshav wrote: >hi, >How can I add entries to menus in GNOME and KDE? >thanks >Tk > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" >your friends today! Download Messenger Now >http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 23:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609F316A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f94.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B4B43D39 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:26:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:26:04 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:26:04 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] X-Sender: crollins666@hotmail.com From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:26:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Mar 2004 07:26:04.0846 (UTC) FILETIME=[992624E0:01C41303] cc: sue@welearn.com.au Subject: Re: FreeBSD-newbies group is a compromise community. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:26:05 -0000 Randy Pratt wrote: > [big old snip] > >I think you and I are in agreement on things now that we've discussed them >more. > >Best regards, > >Randy Put simply, yes. (Maybe some difference in interpretation of the FAK, but elsewise, yes.) When I had discussed such matters with Sue previously, she had basically said that handling them was a matter of discretion of seasoned -newbies members. Unless she has further comments, I'll consider this discussion closed. (With the only changes being that I will constrain what documents I point to and try to move threads to -questions when appropriate.) (I agree that -questions won't likely be perturbed as long as we send proper questions.) Thanks again, Clayton PS. I've done a few root-post's, too; I can commiserate. At least I've managed to avoid doing it to the PR database, yet. :) (hopefully, never...) PPS. Thanks for the doc.s! It was a great help when I first installed FreeBSD! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 26 19:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EEA16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC443D41 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2R3ACbv015625 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2R3AB9h015624 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 19:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200403270310.i2R3AB9h015624@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 03:10:12 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________