From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 28 17:43:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0334416A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sand.lyris.net (sand.lyris.net [64.62.197.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A567143D46 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bounce-message-3593226@sand.lyris.net) Message-Id: X-lyris-type: hello From: "Lyris ListManager" To: www@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:42:59 -0800 Subject: Welcome to the Linux Magazine newsletter X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lyris ListManager List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:43:01 -0000 ******************************************************************** * PLEASE SAVE THIS WELCOME MESSAGE! * ******************************************************************** Welcome to linux-mag-news! 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Lots of companies claim they will donate to the foundation, but few actually do. I think the whole advertisement should just be removed. - Murray On Mar 8, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > Yeah, I mailed the FF about this over a year ago in response to > <5.1.0.14.0.20030207160618.00ac2030@pop.xs4all.nl> which was posted to > this list last February, and didn't get a reply. > > Others are free to try though. > > Ceri > > On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:16:35AM +0100, Wolfram Schneider wrote: >> ----- Forwarded message from Gleb Smirnoff >> ----- >> >> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:42:18 +0300 >> From: Gleb Smirnoff >> To: webmaster@freebsd.org >> Subject: some misinformation on front page >> >> Dear sirs, >> >> just by chance I have noticed that in last chapter of www.freebsd.org >> front page it is said: >> >> Silicon Breeze has also sculpted and cast the BSD Daemon in metal and >> is now donating 15% of all proceeds from these statuettes back to the >> FreeBSD Foundation. The complete story and information on how to >> order a BSD Daemon is available from this page. >> >> However, going to that link we've got little bit another information, >> http://www.linuxjewellery.com/beastie/: >> >> Beginning on 1 October 2001, we have agreed to donate 10% of the >> retail price of every statuette (and every other BSD-related product >> made by us) sold through this web page to the FreeBSD project... >> >> >> Note that, in one page it is 15%, and 10% on other. I'm do not know >> who's mistake it is, but someone should take care of it. >> >> -- >> Totus tuus, Glebius. >> GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE >> >> ----- End forwarded message ----- >> > -- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 02:09:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CC916A4CE; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D662843D1F; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:09:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.4]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16114; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:05:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost)i2TA5TdJ007495; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:05:29 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:05:29 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Murray Stokely Message-ID: <20040329100529.GA7222@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de> References: <20040308101635.GA837@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> <20040308184735.GM368@submonkey.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: Ceri Davies cc: Wolfram Schneider cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [glebius@cell.sick.ru: some misinformation on front page] X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:09:42 -0000 On 2004-03-28 20:19:16 +0400, Murray Stokely wrote: > Last I heard (a month ago?) the Foundation had not received a dime from > this company. Lots of companies claim they will donate to the > foundation, but few actually do. I think the whole advertisement > should just be removed. just go and remove the ad! ;-) -Wolfram > - Murray > > On Mar 8, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Ceri Davies wrote: > > >Yeah, I mailed the FF about this over a year ago in response to > ><5.1.0.14.0.20030207160618.00ac2030@pop.xs4all.nl> which was posted to > >this list last February, and didn't get a reply. > > > >Others are free to try though. > > > >Ceri > > > >On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 11:16:35AM +0100, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > >>----- Forwarded message from Gleb Smirnoff > >>----- > >> > >>Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:42:18 +0300 > >>From: Gleb Smirnoff > >>To: webmaster@freebsd.org > >>Subject: some misinformation on front page > >> > >> Dear sirs, > >> > >>just by chance I have noticed that in last chapter of www.freebsd.org > >>front page it is said: > >> > >>Silicon Breeze has also sculpted and cast the BSD Daemon in metal and > >>is now donating 15% of all proceeds from these statuettes back to the > >>FreeBSD Foundation. The complete story and information on how to > >>order a BSD Daemon is available from this page. > >> > >>However, going to that link we've got little bit another information, > >>http://www.linuxjewellery.com/beastie/: > >> > >>Beginning on 1 October 2001, we have agreed to donate 10% of the > >>retail price of every statuette (and every other BSD-related product > >>made by us) sold through this web page to the FreeBSD project... > >> > >> > >>Note that, in one page it is 15%, and 10% on other. I'm do not know > >>who's mistake it is, but someone should take care of it. > >> > >>-- > >>Totus tuus, Glebius. > >>GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE > >> > >>----- End forwarded message ----- > >> > >-- -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 10:00:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5891316A4CE; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3224E43D2F; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i2TI04ui094850; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:00:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i2TI03GZ094846; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:00:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:00:02 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: World Wide Web Owner Message-ID: <20040329180001.GA94085@abigail.blackend.org> References: <200403291729.i2THTIf7044330@www.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200403291729.i2THTIf7044330@www.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD web build failed on www.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:00:14 -0000 Fixed. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 11:01:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C5416A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E6043D3F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2TJ1hbv083869 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:01:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2TJ1gDt083863 for freebsd-www@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:01:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200403291901.i2TJ1gDt083863@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:01:43 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2004/03/06] www/63854 www PR-web page loses text 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/09/28] www/43454 www Packages hard to find, often missing o [2003/04/18] www/51135 www Problems with the mailing-lists search in o [2003/12/31] www/60770 www query-pr-summary.cgi can't find the PRs a 3 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/03/07] www/35647 www www; combine query-by-number and multi-fi s [2002/05/24] www/38500 www gnats web form is overenthusiastic about o [2002/09/08] misc/42558 www http://www.freebsd.org/search produces in o [2002/10/17] www/44181 www www "Release Information" organization o [2002/11/09] www/45169 www suggested update for ports index page on o [2004/01/08] www/61086 www chinese documentation projects not listed o [2004/01/23] www/61824 www Misleading documentation on FreeBSD insta o [2004/02/29] www/63551 www Lack of DTD in cgi scripts o [2004/02/29] www/63552 www Validation errors due to CAPs in attribut o [2004/03/11] www/64120 www /mnt/www/en/ports/needs to be re-run o [2004/03/25] www/64689 www Missing data on ftp.freebsd.org 11 problems total. From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 00:27:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D0616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:27:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.novatek.kiev.ua (novatek.kiev.ua [62.244.14.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ED443D1F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:27:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from RAV@smtp.novatek.kiev.ua) Received: from smtp.novatek.kiev.ua (smtp.novatek.kiev.ua [192.168.1.1]) by smtp.novatek.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.5) with SMTP id i2U8RJpk007132; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:27:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from RAV@smtp.novatek.kiev.ua) From: RAV@smtp.novatek.kiev.ua Message-Id: <200403300827.i2U8RJpk007132@smtp.novatek.kiev.ua> To: www@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:27:19 +0300 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: ravmd/8.3.2 X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.1(snapshot 20020109) (smtp.novatek.kiev.ua) cc: hr@novatek.kiev.ua Subject: RAV AntiVirus scan results X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:27:23 -0000 RAV AntiVirus for FreeBSD i386 version: 8.3.2 (snapshot-20020109) Copyright (c) 1996-2001 GeCAD The Software Company. All rights reserved. 20 more days to evaluate. Running on host: smtp.novatek.kiev.ua ----------------------- RAV Antivirus results ----------------------- The infected file was saved to quarantine with name: 1080635239-RAVi2U8R6pk007126. The file (part0002:document_full.pif) attached to mail (with subject:Re: Here is the document) sent by www@freebsd.org to hr@novatek.kiev.ua, is infected with virus: Win32/Netsky.D@mm. Cannot clean this file. The file was successfully deleted by RAV AntiVirus. ------------------------ this is a copy of the e-mail header: Scan engine 8.11 () for i386. Last update: Tue Mar 30 05:37:56 2004 Scanning for 92967 malwares (viruses, trojans and worms). To get a free 60-days evaluation version of RAV AntiVirus v8 (yet fully functional) please visit: http://www.ravantivirus.com From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 05:05:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AD516A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsd.ultra-secure.de (bsd.ultra-secure.de [62.146.20.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C74343D2D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:05:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rainer@ultra-secure.de) Received: (qmail 65224 invoked by uid 85); 30 Mar 2004 13:05:43 -0000 Received: from rainer@ultra-secure.de by bsd.ultra-secure.de by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.67. spamassassin: 2.60. Clear:. Processed in 0.556055 secs); 30 Mar 2004 13:05:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ultra-secure.de) (rainer@ultra-secure.de@217.235.241.173) by bsd.ultra-secure.de with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 13:05:43 -0000 Message-ID: <40697492.7030607@ultra-secure.de> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:22:26 +0200 From: Rainer Duffner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: de, de-de, en-us, en, de-at, de-li, de-ch MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Removal of the gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:05:46 -0000 Hi, I assume only the "list of users" will disappear, not the gallery of "Powered by FreeBSD"-logos ? That would be a bit sad. I agree that such a "list of users" is probably very difficult to maintain and merely keep in a semi-current state, though one might want to keep a few very well-known sites (and/or sponsors) in a separate part of the site. (Links to netcraft's Top 50 Hosting Sites, Top 50 uptimes etc. - whatever) Rainer From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 05:30:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAF5B16A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:30:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3446E43D1F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:30:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 169B6116A0; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:30:07 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Rainer Duffner Message-ID: <20040330133006.GC74608@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <40697492.7030607@ultra-secure.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40697492.7030607@ultra-secure.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Removal of the gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:30:10 -0000 --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.03.30 15:22:26 +0200, Rainer Duffner wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I assume only the "list of users" will disappear, not the gallery of=20 > "Powered by FreeBSD"-logos ? > That would be a bit sad. No they will stay, somewhere on the website. I plan to make some kind of page with FreeBSD "art" where they will be placed. > I agree that such a "list of users" is probably very difficult to=20 > maintain and merely keep in a semi-current state, though one might want= =20 > to keep a few very well-known sites (and/or sponsors) in a separate part= =20 > of the site. > (Links to netcraft's Top 50 Hosting Sites, Top 50 uptimes etc. - whatever) There is already a few in the Handbook introduction section [1]... Perhaps there should be a link to that from somewhere. [1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/nutshell.html --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAaXZeh9pcDSc1mlERAndgAJwIspOcp8aHi7cD0g0aHAUi0H4y5gCffIhX 9v0Kn6sCquwJ+PicrT0npM0= =zP6/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2JFBq9zoW8cOFH7v-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 06:23:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4445D16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC9743D2F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erika@artdeelight.com) Received: from artdeelight.com (stouen-1-81-57-206-145.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.206.145]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4BDC4166 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <406982FB.5080906@artdeelight.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:23:55 +0200 From: Erik Adelbert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040310 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Artdeelight is pro-active in FreeBSD distribution X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:23:58 -0000 Dear fellows, Artdeelight is actively distributing and advising FreeBSD as a main choice for a large range of purposes. We are a consulting office sited in near Paris' suburb; we are mainly working for public institutions like Université Paris 8, Université Paris 13, Maison des Sciences de l'Homme Paris Nord but also for some french lawyers and architectes. Our competences spawn from network design and security to developpement in which we're involved with the AI lab of Paris 8. We are also able to distribute (as vendors) computing devices (from routers, servers to workstations). As a very few french companies are visible as active ones in your commercial list, we wish to be added to that list. Please let us know the procedure, Best Regards, Erik Adelbert - Consulting Manager -------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Adelbert - Informatique - mailto:erika@artdeelight.com Port. +33 (0) 6 64 38 57 68 Artdeelight - 1 bis, rue Godillot - 93400 Saint-Ouen - France - Tel. +33 (0) 1 49 45 01 76 - Fax. +33 (0) 1 49 45 01 76 http://www.artdeelight.com mailto:info@artdeelight.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 11:34:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015FC16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucifer.troback.com (c-195-216-036-250.ekt.thalamus.net [195.216.36.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3141243D2F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from public@troback.com) Received: from troback.com (localhost.troback.com [127.0.0.1]) by lucifer.troback.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851DA10B for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:34:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4069CBB9.2030407@troback.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:34:17 +0200 From: Anders Troback User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040311) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Mirrors... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:34:22 -0000 Hi! I'm using the www.se.freebsd.org server but it's not up to date! The info is nearly three weeks old! I don't know if it's your responsibility but I just want to let you know. Keep up the good work! Regards Anders Trobäck Sweden From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 11:41:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAA16A4CE; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0CC43D31; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dave@godseyfamily.com) Received: from proxy.dmz.orem.verio.net (proxy.dmz.orem.verio.net [172.16.146.4]) by gatekeeper.oremut02.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187421E7684; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:39:46 -0700 (MST) Received: from godseyfamily.com (dhcp-2-128-130.office.orem.verio.net [10.2.128.130]) by proxy.dmz.orem.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A470A7C004; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:39:45 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <4069CC73.9090501@godseyfamily.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:37:23 -0700 From: David Godsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030524 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schweikh@freebsd.org, www@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/match.c and freebsd 5.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:41:33 -0000 daveg# uname -a FreeBSD daveg 5.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jun 5 02:55:42 GMT 2003 root@wv1u.btc.adaptec.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386 daveg# Note this works fine on a freebsd 4.7 box, but the same function compilation fails for 5.1. I get the following error with the source code I was able to find in a cvs tree on freebsd's site in match.c in the package tools lib directory: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.sbin/pkg_install/lib/ daveg# make ===> lib Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/home/dave/package_tools/lib cc -lfetch -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized -c match.c -o match.o cc1: warnings being treated as errors match.c: In function `matchinstalled': match.c:100: warning: passing arg 3 of `fts_open' from incompatible pointer type *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/dave/package_tools/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/home/dave/package_tools. daveg# That line is: ftsp = fts_open((char * const *)(uintptr_t)paths, FTS_LOGICAL | FTS_NOCHDIR | FTS_NOSTAT, fname_cmp); It looks like the third parameter it the function fname_cmp, which gives an incompatible pointer type. As I said I'm not all that familiar with fts functions, and I can dig in, however someone has to have looked into this because pkg tools work fine on this freebsd distro. Any help would be appreciated. Also if I'm sending this to the wrong place to get an answer for this, please tell me where to post this question. David Godsey From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 15:20:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA9916A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from arthur.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C990743D45 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@arthur.nitro.dk) Received: by arthur.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 15DF111907; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:20:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:20:21 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Anders Troback Message-ID: <20040330232021.GK749@arthur.nitro.dk> References: <4069CBB9.2030407@troback.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="w2xx78T4DcG3O+DJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4069CBB9.2030407@troback.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mirrors... X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:20:23 -0000 --w2xx78T4DcG3O+DJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.03.30 21:34:17 +0200, Anders Troback wrote: > I'm using the www.se.freebsd.org server but it's not up to date! The=20 > info is nearly three weeks old! >=20 > I don't know if it's your responsibility but I just want to let you know. I just notified the admins at the site and the FreeBSD Mirror Administrator, so it should hopefully be fixed soon. Thanks for letting us know about the problem. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --w2xx78T4DcG3O+DJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAagC1h9pcDSc1mlERAsmtAJ4yoeaXQFhKVj6d6BJTbv8miXU+tQCgmFa/ oxJ20+HBLc7Zbc4LubJaHxM= =u9HW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --w2xx78T4DcG3O+DJ-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 05:41:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A618616A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from red.metroweb.sp.gov.br (px02metro1.metro.sp.gov.br [200.144.30.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EA35443D2D for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:41:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rtsanch@metrosp.com.br) Received: from correio.metroweb.sp.gov.br by red.metroweb.sp.gov.br via smtpd (for mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) with SMTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:41:55 -0300 Received: (qmail 24815 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2004 13:38:23 -0000 Received: from rtsanch@metrosp.com.br by metromail by uid 1001 with qmail-scanner-1.20rc3 (clamscan: 0.60. Clear:RC:0:. Processed in 0.913243 secs); 31 Mar 2004 13:38:23 -0000 Received: from green.metroweb.sp.gov.br ([192.168.10.13]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.metrosp.com.br (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Mar 2004 13:38:22 -0000 Received: from no.name.available by green.metroweb.sp.gov.br with SMTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:41:53 -0300 From: Renato Tambellini To: www@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-LpVRWzxsh8B73zDmBR5V" Message-Id: <1080740639.297.2.camel@d005m113.metroweb.sp.gov.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:44:00 -0300 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Please include my company in the Non-profit gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:41:50 -0000 --=-LpVRWzxsh8B73zDmBR5V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I am of subway company of S=E3o Paulo - Brazil, and I like to include my company in the Non-profit Gallery of users of FreeBSD. The name of my company is: Companhia do Metropolitano de S=E3o Paulo - METR=D4 The website: http://www.metro.sp.gov.br/ My comment: Internet applications based in Apache/PHP/LDAP/PostgreSQL. Thanks Renato --=20 Renato Tambellini Consultor T=E9cnico GNU/Linux - FreeBSD Public Key - 0x02FA9EE7 - http://pgp.mit.edu/ --=-LpVRWzxsh8B73zDmBR5V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?= uma parte de mensagem assinada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBAassfiTm82QL6nucRAhpvAKCVqVhOzblPyxz/IiHiusaaE+j68gCgg3P7 Zf5TLTvl9IKmUHy/3J0ae1o= =YbmP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-LpVRWzxsh8B73zDmBR5V-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 06:47:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980B316A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from intercept.nukesf.org (cpe-65-172-239-92.sanbrunocable.com [65.172.239.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0089F43D2F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:47:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wil@rekon.org) Received: from [10.0.1.69] (intercept [127.0.0.1]) by intercept.nukesf.org (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i2VEqLim000753 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:52:21 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:52:20 -0800 From: Wil Schultz To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: re: Please include my company in the Non-profit gallery X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:47:24 -0000 Only if the gallery was taking new submissions... Oh, and only if were using FreeBSD... root@perdition# nc www.metro.sp.gov.br 80 get 1.1 HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0 Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:42:45 GMT Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 87 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 09:59:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F2716A4CE; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAD643D49; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2VHx6bv087352; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i2VHx6vA087348; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200403311759.i2VHx6vA087348@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org, linimon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: www/45169: suggested update for ports index page on web site X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:59:07 -0000 Synopsis: suggested update for ports index page on web site Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-www->linimon Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Mar 31 09:58:55 PST 2004 Responsible-Changed-Why: Submitter is now committer. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=45169 From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 16:38:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6215916A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:38:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from titan.kgt.co.jp (titan.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D096143D1D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:38:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@kgt.co.jp) Received: from navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (navgw.kgt.co.jp [210.141.246.71]) by titan.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5AC1027D for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:38:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kgt.co.jp (kubotaj4 [192.168.1.7]) by navgw.tt.kgt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D88A47711 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:38:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost [192.168.15.205] by kgt.co.jp with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.04) id A5D9295F0082; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:45 +0900 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:38:01 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040402.093800.74753689.haro@kgt.co.jp> To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org From: Munehiro Matsuda X-Mailer: Mew version 2.2 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mail archive update stopped, again? X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 00:38:03 -0000 Hi list, The mail archive page, http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/ , seems to have stopped updating from 04/01 06:20 PST. Please, can sombody/anybody look into the problem? Thank you in advance, Haro =------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Internet Solution Dept., Kubota Graphics Technologies Inc. /|\ |_| |_|_| 2-8-8 Shinjuku Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0022, Japan Tel: +81-3-3225-0767 Fax: +81-3-3225-0740 Email: haro@kgt.co.jp From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 21:45:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07E616A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:45:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [207.154.84.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFAC343D46 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 21:45:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adamw@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 26474 invoked by uid 1252); 2 Apr 2004 05:45:25 -0000 Date: 2 Apr 2004 00:45:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:45:25 -0500 From: Adam Weinberger To: www@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Editor: Vim 6.2 http://www.vim.org X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5 http://www.mutt.org X-URL: http://www.vectors.cx X-ASL: 6/m/behind you User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: front page thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:45:26 -0000 WWW team - I know how much "fun" it is to receive unrequested advice, especially when said advice contains no actual advice whatsoever. But in the spirit of sharing my thoughts, I figured I should share my thoughts. The front page is _really_ cluttered. The page is so busy that it's difficult to find things on it unless you already know where they are. There's a lot of stuff on there that doesn't need to be on the very front page. The GNOME Project's webpage is a great example of un-clutteredness, IMO. (http://www.gnome.org) The pertinent information is easily available, but not taking up space on the front page. One idea from that page that seems like the FreeBSD page could really use is separation of resources. 6 links about bug reports are useless to people who want to know how to install FreeBSD; likewise, 9 sizable paragraphs about why FreeBSD is great is not of much use to developers. Why not consider separating the links from the front page into sections keyed to various groups: New Users, Current Users, and Developers? Nothing is more frustrating to a new user than feeling overwhelmed before they've even begun. If it wasn't for the help that wpaul gave me at first, I would have gone back to the OpenBSD from whence I came. New users want to know where the installation files are, where the step-by-step instructions are, the basic docs for how to get started, etc. Current users want access to the documentation, and information about the releases. They want mailing list info, and information about ports. Developers want the tools that are available to them. They want quick links to the parts that they use the most... i.e. pre-built common bug report searches are probably a lot more useful than "view all bug reports." The list of reasons why FreeBSD is teh r0xx0r is good to have, but way too verbose for the front page. If someone comes to the page asking, "Okay, why do I want this FreeBSD bidness," are they really expected to read a bunch of text wedged between a bunch of text, wedged between two sidebars with a bunch of text? It looks like the design of the page is to give immediate access to as much information as possible. However, we're dealing with net-savvy people here; it's reasonable to ask them to click a link or two to drill down to what they're looking for. FreeBSD's website looks very old. It uses a colour and design layout that is not popular anymore. Cleaning up the front page and minimizing the clutter would do a lot to make the site seem more professional, accessible, and well-maintained. Just my $0.02. # Adam -- Adam Weinberger adamw@magnesium.net || adamw@FreeBSD.org adamw@vectors.cx || adamw@gnome.org http://www.vectors.cx From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 07:58:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE7616A4CE; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9563143D41; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:58:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3D13E1474A; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:58:48 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:58:48 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: Adam Weinberger In-Reply-To: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: front page thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:58:48 -0000 On 2 Apr 2004, Adam Weinberger wrote: > The front page is _really_ cluttered. The page is so busy that it's > difficult to find things on it unless you already know where they are. > There's a lot of stuff on there that doesn't need to be on the very > front page. Several folks (including myself) have kind of a back-burner project to slowly restructure the web pages by creating more 'second-level' pages, each of which would pull some links for the front page but also some links from the more detailed pages. In other words, making the hierarchy look more like: start here an overview of one area specific details about that area more specific details about that area an overview of another area specific details about that area and so forth. The devil, of course, is in the details. Even more so than most subprojects within FreeBSD, this one is really driven by community consensus. > Why not consider separating the links from the front page into sections > keyed to various groups: New Users, Current Users, and Developers? Well, generate a hierarchy (as above) of what you think it ought to look like, and let's see what people think. > FreeBSD's website looks very old. It uses a colour and design layout > that is not popular anymore. Cleaning up the front page and minimizing > the clutter would do a lot to make the site seem more professional, > accessible, and well-maintained. As a summary of past iterations over this topic ... some people have really strong opinions on the 'look-and-feel' issues. (Ob. disclaimer: I am not one of them, which anyone who has ever looked at a web page that I "designed" can aptly testify :-) ) But when the discussion of style changes and content changes overlap, it seems that everyone gets very distracted with the former, and the latter discussion tends to get shunted aside. So my _personal_ advice on this issue would be to keep the two issues as separate as possible, and also to aim for incremental changes rather than the Big Redesign, at least at first. All that being said, my guess is that a plurality of people would say that, yeah, the page is pretty cluttered. It's how to "get there from here" that's the hard work ... mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 08:53:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3E016A4CF; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from taro.utanet.at (taro.utanet.at [213.90.36.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9050C43D2F; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from josef@daemon.li) Received: from paris.utanet.at ([213.90.36.7]) by taro.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Rux-0005vm-00; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:53:19 +0200 Received: from dsl-155-188.utaonline.at ([62.218.155.188] helo=jenny.daemon.li) by paris.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1B9Ruw-0004AY-00; Fri, 02 Apr 2004 18:53:18 +0200 Received: by jenny.daemon.li (Postfix, from userid 1005) id 497A7135C; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:53:24 +0200 From: Josef El-Rayes To: Adam Weinberger Message-ID: <20040402165324.GB306@jenny.daemon.li> References: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE cc: www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: front page thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:53:20 -0000 --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam Weinberger wrote: > WWW team - >=20 > I know how much "fun" it is to receive unrequested advice, especially > when said advice contains no actual advice whatsoever. But in the spirit > of sharing my thoughts, I figured I should share my thoughts. hi adam! i share your view and i remember that the same ideas that you are writing here have been shared by others before but the problem is that they have not been turned into reality. greets, josef --=20 Josef El-Rayes (__) Email: josef@daemon.li \\\'',)=20 Web: http://daemon.li/ \/ \ ^ FreeBSD: josef@FreeBSD.org .\._/_) --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iQEVAwUBQG2ahFnFItmnnbU8AQIJTQf9He3TtPF+oHt94j3UvKVuRsJEDlTzJlbi 81NLTMmwhlzfYlfR9rA15Lrrp1lfiKVEFmYdesgr7eSkXU7qmSFxI8GlyLBLvzKB q8fHg07I1ojGJjhxvLtDMMaGHNSTY0fn0YSr/R1tCC/gSqBQG0+dhIqjkS8D64ix 3YRgBHJAyRc5Lndn9oSLQTi1Uec9r3rhwMp5YnhJX7kc4ZF4BYTO0jGL+EVk2aIn 6QQEB8xCu89jXZ9rLvz2hcijtAAj1g0EFxly2OZGZoQOZYh3lLNytOuU39VSpibn mgg2LmPP8kEPnYraXKO2OvpI8HwtnR8QMFXhITJORyg8t+LQ2gpO4A== =DCKr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mxv5cy4qt+RJ9ypb-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 09:08:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18E816A4CF; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12C443D1D; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i32H8tui053918; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:08:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id i32H8tw0053917; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:08:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:08:54 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Adam Weinberger Message-ID: <20040402170854.GB50377@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040402054525.GE12801@toxic.magnesium.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: front page thoughts X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:08:57 -0000 On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 12:45:25AM -0500, Adam Weinberger wrote: > WWW team - > [...] > The front page is _really_ cluttered. The page is so busy that it's > difficult to find things on it unless you already know where they are. > There's a lot of stuff on there that doesn't need to be on the very > front page. > I agree. [...] > > FreeBSD's website looks very old. It uses a colour and design layout > that is not popular anymore. Cleaning up the front page and minimizing > the clutter would do a lot to make the site seem more professional, > accessible, and well-maintained. > You're right on the whole line :) If I look at NetBSD.org for example, their homepage is easier to use. Well it's just my point of view but I have more problems to find something on our Web site than on the NetBSD one. About the look of our Web site, yes it is "a bit" outdated :) However a big clean is a lot of work, if someone with a "real" solution could handle that update it'd be great. Marc From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 11:03:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5D316A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC53743D1F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:03:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3071E14746; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: CFD: rework of support.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:03:19 -0000 Currently support.html takes many screens to scroll through. This, to me, tends to obscure some introductory information at the expense of some detailed information. We could diagram its structure like this: Table Of Contents Mailing Lists pointers to mailing lists Newsgroups pointers to newsgroups IRC pointers to IRC channels [...etc...] User Groups long list of user groups The latter text takes up about 50% of the text in support.html. My proposal would be to repocopy support.sgml to user-groups.sgml which would then be edited down to hold only the latter text, and place a link to it under the phrase "user groups around the world" in the existing text in the sentence under "User Groups". This would affect the following translations: es, fr, ja, ru. What do people think? A related change that could be thought of (which would not need to be part of this change) is to reorganize the listings. Right now there is a "Rest Of The World" category which seems a little bit Euro-centric to me; why not just make it "Asia" and "South America"? (I'll beg the question of whether the Middle East wants to consider itself part of a continent, or if it should be its own category). The actual text items themselves would not be otherwise edited, to avoid commingling too many changes. Your feedback is welcome. mcl From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 04:19:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA916A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:19:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pfepc.post.tele.dk (pfepc.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B0843D54 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 04:19:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (0x53584e1d.boanxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.88.78.29]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AD226284F; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 14:18:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id B918311938; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:14:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:14:10 +0200 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20040402201409.GA977@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="17pEHd4RhPHOinZp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CFD: rework of support.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:19:02 -0000 --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2004.04.02 13:03:18 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > My proposal would be to repocopy support.sgml to user-groups.sgml > which would then be edited down to hold only the latter text, and=20 > place a link to it under the phrase "user groups around the world" > in the existing text in the sentence under "User Groups". Sounds like a good idea to me. > A related change that could be thought of (which would not need > to be part of this change) is to reorganize the listings. Right > now there is a "Rest Of The World" category which seems a little > bit Euro-centric to me; why not just make it "Asia" and "South > America"? (I'll beg the question of whether the Middle East I think the list should be made two level. First the continent and then country (josef filed PR www/60796 for this some time ago). But as you said, this could be done later. > wants to consider itself part of a continent, or if it should > be its own category). I think the middle east is part of Asia, but I could be wrong. > Your feedback is welcome. "Please send patches" / Go for it :-). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen FreeBSD Documentation Team --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbcmRh9pcDSc1mlERAh+pAJwM+EQKUNMoF1CgD6YMQ8wTl72XsQCgg9qW jkGsi0YP+9XFjMgoo3berwg= =bSIl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --17pEHd4RhPHOinZp-- From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 12:49:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BA016A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DBE43D41 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:49:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost ([192.168.0.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i33KnfLZ015500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:49:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 15:50:02 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <20040403155002.4953d2ae@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-www@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CFD: rework of support.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:49:43 -0000 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) Mark Linimon wrote: > Currently support.html takes many screens to scroll through. This, > to me, tends to obscure some introductory information at the expense > of some detailed information. > > We could diagram its structure like this: > > Table Of Contents > Mailing Lists > pointers to mailing lists > Newsgroups > pointers to newsgroups > IRC > pointers to IRC channels > [...etc...] > User Groups > long list of user groups > > The latter text takes up about 50% of the text in support.html. > My proposal would be to repocopy support.sgml to user-groups.sgml > which would then be edited down to hold only the latter text, and > place a link to it under the phrase "user groups around the world" > in the existing text in the sentence under "User Groups". > > This would affect the following translations: es, fr, ja, ru. > > What do people think? > > A related change that could be thought of (which would not need > to be part of this change) is to reorganize the listings. Right > now there is a "Rest Of The World" category which seems a little > bit Euro-centric to me; why not just make it "Asia" and "South > America"? (I'll beg the question of whether the Middle East > wants to consider itself part of a continent, or if it should > be its own category). > > The actual text items themselves would not be otherwise edited, > to avoid commingling too many changes. > > Your feedback is welcome. I want to go over this with you, but haven't had the time. Most likely I can work on this a bit Sunday or Monday. -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 12:52:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D34316A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp1.cistron.nl (smtp1.cistron.nl [62.216.30.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58E243D58 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:52:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robertj@wirehub.nl) Received: from cust.8.147.adsl.cistron.nl ([62.216.8.147] helo=jellema.erje.net) by smtp1.cistron.nl with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1B9s7V-00088l-00 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:52:01 +0200 Received: from susie.erje.net (unknown [IPv6:fec0::ff:c0a8:142]) 30FB1185720 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from chelsea.basta-matic.org (chelsea.ipv6.basta-matic.org [IPv6:fec0::ff:ac10:13f]) by susie.erje.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i33Kk7Cx090219 for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from chelsea.basta-matic.org ([172.16.1.63]) by chelsea.basta-matic.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1B9s1m-00062p-Tm for www@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2004 22:46:07 +0200 Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 22:46:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Robert Joosten X-X-Sender: robert@chelsea.basta-matic.org To: www@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-susie.erje.net-MailScanner: OK, found to be clean X-ismet.erje.net-MailScanner: Ok, found to be clean Subject: FAQ entry on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-www@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Project Webmasters List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:52:03 -0000 Hi, in the second para of the Frequently Asked Questions entry there's a link to http://www.freebsdmirrors.org. This should read http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org . Regards, Rj