From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 20:01:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE22416A4CF for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (julesburg.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE5D43D39 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmschei@attglobal.net) Received: from mail-relay.iu.edu (logchain.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.77]) j1SK1GaN005207 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:01:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (scheidt-rout.canopy.nd.edu [129.74.98.169]) (authenticated bits=0)j1SK1GsY014534 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:01:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:01:16 -0500 From: David Scheidt User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050102) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:01:22 -0000 I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 20:43:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB0116A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:43:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A2E43D4C for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:43:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 21564 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 20:43:05 -0000 Received: from server.baldwin.cx ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Feb 2005 20:39:43 -0000 Received: from [10.50.40.202] (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SK8VPt065431; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:08:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:35:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> In-Reply-To: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502281335.19941.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx cc: Eugene Latvija Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:43:06 -0000 On Saturday 26 February 2005 11:11 am, Eugene Latvija wrote: > Hello ALL! > > I have question about WM/DE which use core-team and developers-team?Why i > ned to know?I have friend he is not admin,only DESKTOP user and he say what > real man use only terminal/console without X.And i say i`m admin and use > terminal/console only on server,but at home i want to relax and use X.My > desktop is very useless because i can write many script to use it better > for me work.And my friend say WOW you are LAMER :). > It`s funny :) > And i need to know about what use core team because it`s real people and > they know system better than he or I.If somebody know or team read this > mailing-list please say :) My wife and I both use KDE. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 21:05:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A88316A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:05:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AEE843D1F for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:05:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.3.242 with login) by smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 21:05:50 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:05:48 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502281305.49109.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:05:51 -0000 On Monday 28 February 2005 12:01 pm, David Scheidt wrote: > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will > work), or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? I see them used on eBay sometimes. You probably want to search through the vintage computer listings. I've seen them go cheap, though occasionally the bids run over $20. I found one doing a quick search: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5169683162 The shape is kind of unusual, but maybe that would work. - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 21:18:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0A816A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:18:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (mail2.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.69]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01DA43D5C for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:18:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from email.uni-linz.ac.at (boba.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.3.67]) j1SLILSR023065; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:18:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from harald.wille@students.jku.at) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at [193.171.34.71]) by email.uni-linz.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0C9564FD; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:18:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from (193.171.34.71) by gwavraab.uni-linz.ac.at via smtp id 70d6_1643d3fe_89ce_11d9_9943_001143d314e3; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:17:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j1SLIFZY017912; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:18:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: (from iqd@localhost)j1SLIEbB017911; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:18:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from iqd) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:18:14 +0100 From: Wille Harald To: David Scheidt Message-ID: <20050228211814.GA17746@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at> Mail-Followup-To: David Scheidt , chat@freebsd.org References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-wipe-MailScanner-Information: Please contact www.wipe.at for more information X-wipe-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-wipe-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-5.742, required 6, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -3.30, AWL 0.16, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-MailScanner-From: iqd@heim-034-71.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:18:33 -0000 Hello ! On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 03:01:16PM -0500, David Scheidt wrote: > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, no > whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm not > picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), or > balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > Sure they are selling those old types. just google for "basic mice" plenty of online shops have those in stock they are around $5 f.e. : http://www.microcenter.com http://dell.com/ http://www.shop.com Greetings, Harald From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 21:52:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6207F16A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:52:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD36A43D54 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:52:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no2004))chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:47:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no 2004))chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 1020845347; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:52:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 106BD4516B; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:52:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D20D33C3E; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:52:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:52:08 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> To: David Scheidt Message-id: <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on dsa.des.no References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:52:31 -0000 David Scheidt writes: > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, and also function as a middle button. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 21:54:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D386016A4CE; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:54:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120B043D5D; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:54:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICN00HZV5XDP560@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:48:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICN00DWQ69SKIF0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:56:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 0ADF545347; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:54:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 52F244516B; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:53:51 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3DA3B33C3E; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:53:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:53:51 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: <200502281335.19941.jhb@FreeBSD.org> To: John Baldwin Message-id: <86acpo1hcg.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on dsa.des.no References: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> <200502281335.19941.jhb@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: cc: Eugene Latvija cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:54:13 -0000 John Baldwin writes: > My wife and I both use KDE. My wife and I both use XFCE. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 22:31:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7316A4D7 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:31:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF04943D5E for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:31:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B39D785682; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:01:26 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:01:26 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Message-ID: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1X+6QtwRodzgDPAC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:31:31 -0000 --1X+6QtwRodzgDPAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > David Scheidt writes: >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, >> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm >> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), >> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > and also function as a middle button. Let me count the ways... 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's not much use. 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own protocol, and I have a number here which I can't enable. 3. They're an ergonomic disaster. The wheel that functions as a middle button is in the wrong position for this function. It should be about 15 mm further towards the finger tip. In its current position, you have to bend your middle finger to touch it, and then you have to be careful not to turn the wheel (unless it isn't enabled, in which case it's not a problem). 4. In addition to being in the wrong place, the spring on the middle button is usually too heavy. I'm currently using a wheel mouse (for the same reasons as David, I suppose). The wheel is disabled. Using the middle button is so unpleasant that I've chosen to replace it with the 1-3 chord click, effectively reducing the thing to a 2 button mouse. Coincidentally, just before I read this message, I found an old Logitech 3 button PS/2 mouse lying around, and I may end up using it again. At least for FreeBSD users, mouse technology has not progressed. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --1X+6QtwRodzgDPAC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCI5u+IubykFB6QiMRAj0tAJ9Yje2vKZwakuyyvAkTO4N3zdFj3wCfc+yV g8iOjXr0J3BCdJvmZ5EfE+o= =P1Ec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1X+6QtwRodzgDPAC-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C9416A53A for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E583643D5E for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 11682 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from server.baldwin.cx ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from [10.50.40.202] (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SN84OD066576; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:53:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@FreeBSD.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:19 -0000 On Monday 28 February 2005 05:31 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > >> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > >> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > >> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > > and also function as a middle button. > > Let me count the ways... > > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's > not much use. KDE supports it out of the box. Just add '-3 -z 4' to your moused flags and make sure X thinks the mouse has 5 buttons and you are good to go. Konqueror, konsole, etc. all have wheel support. I think for my current USB trackball I basically just plugged it in and it all worked immediately. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:08:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E0616A53C for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail28.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C5843D60 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 11682 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from server.baldwin.cx ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender )AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Feb 2005 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from [10.50.40.202] (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1SN84OD066576; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:08:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:53:03 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.8 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=failed version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on server.baldwin.cx cc: Greg 'groggy' Lehey cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@FreeBSD.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:08:19 -0000 On Monday 28 February 2005 05:31 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > >> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > >> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > >> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > > and also function as a middle button. > > Let me count the ways... > > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's > not much use. KDE supports it out of the box. Just add '-3 -z 4' to your moused flags and make sure X thinks the mouse has 5 buttons and you are good to go. Konqueror, konsole, etc. all have wheel support. I think for my current USB trackball I basically just plugged it in and it all worked immediately. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:15:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243AC16A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:15:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailtest.sd73.bc.ca (smtp.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E2943D55 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:15:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailtest.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6552BF280A for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailtest.sd73.bc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailtest.sd73.bc.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 99097-01-40 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from s9.sbo (s9.sbo [192.168.0.9]) by mailtest.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9E9F1837 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 - Kamloops, BC To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 15:15:27 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502281515.28851.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at sd73.bc.ca Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:15:31 -0000 On February 28, 2005 02:31 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav > wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no > >> bells, no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly > >> wheel. I'm not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or > >> Bluetooth will work), or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell > >> these things? > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > > and also function as a middle button. > Let me count the ways... > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so > it's not much use. Depends on the app, I guess. All of my X apps (KDE, QT, GTK, Motif) work with the wheel. Haven't had an X app not recognise the wheel events since XFree86 4.0.0 was released. > 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own > protocol, and I have a number here which I can't enable. Depends on the mouse, I guess. All my systems are configured to use moused in rc.conf, and /dev/sysmouse for device, auto for protocol, and 5 buttons / z-axis in XF86Config/xorg.conf. Haven't had any issues with mouse wheel events since XFree86 4.0.0 was released. > 3. They're an ergonomic disaster. The wheel that functions as a > middle button is in the wrong position for this function. It > should be about 15 mm further towards the finger tip. In its > current position, you have to bend your middle finger to touch > it, and then you have to be careful not to turn the wheel (unless > it isn't enabled, in which case it's not a problem). This is very true, and is one reason I dislike mouse wheels. I loved the old Genius NetMouse and NetMouse Pro. These didn't have wheels. They had a rocker button. You pressed and held the up button to scroll up, and you pressed and held the down button to scroll down. You kept scrolling as long as the button was pressed. And it scrolled the same as if you were holding the cursor keys. So much simpler to use, didn't agravate the fingers as much, and was just plain more comfortable to use. The NetMouse Pro had a nice thumb switch that let you change the meaning of the up/down buttons (I always had it set to replace ALT+TAB). Wheels are just not comfortable to use. > 4. In addition to being in the wrong place, the spring on the middle > button is usually too heavy. This is also very true. It's very hard to click the middle button without also scrolling the page, which can have very strange results. On the flip-side, I've also used ones where the spring was too sensitive, and it was almost impossible to scroll without clicking the button. Again with strange results. > At least for FreeBSD users, mouse technology has not progressed. Mouse technology hasn't really progressed for anybody ... but there's really not much more that can be done with a mouse (other than to make them larger -- why do most manufacturer's think we all have tiny hands?). -- Freddie Cash, CCNT CCLP Helpdesk / Network Support Tech. School District 73 (250) 377-HELP [377-4357] fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:24:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8049416A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BF1043D4C for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 11714 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2005 23:19:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 23:19:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 8942 invoked by uid 89); 28 Feb 2005 23:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Feb 2005 23:29:41 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0686F114DD; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:24:17 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:24:16 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-ID: <20050301012416.45ac6f11@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:24:20 -0000 On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:01:26 +1030 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: > > David Scheidt writes: > >> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > >> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > >> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > >> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, > > and also function as a middle button. > > Let me count the ways... > > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's > not much use. The second wheel in Opera and Sylpheed-claws doesn't work, but in KDE apps it does. > 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own protocol, > and I have a number here which I can't enable. I guess you don't use cheaper models :) this seem to be easier to setup this days. > 3. They're an ergonomic disaster. The wheel that functions as a > middle button is in the wrong position for this function. It > should be about 15 mm further towards the finger tip. In its > current position, you have to bend your middle finger to touch it, > and then you have to be careful not to turn the wheel (unless it > isn't enabled, in which case it's not a problem). > > 4. In addition to being in the wrong place, the spring on the middle > button is usually too heavy. The only mouse which I can use both wheel and middle button is a cheap A4Tech "Optical GreateAye WheelMouse" WOP-35. All Genius I've tried suffer from what you say above. A few years ago there was a NetMouse or something (from Genius I thinks) which had a 2-position button for scrolling in-place of a wheel, pressing that button's ends was more economical for scrolling that turning the wheel; unfortunately they don't do it anymore. Since this mouse has two more buttons on the sides I was thinking of taking the time to find out how to map them to page up / page down (or better scroll-up / scroll-down) or to move the middle-button click on one of them. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D34B16A4CE; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B228F43D2D; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E919485682; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:20 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:20 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20050228233120.GM73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:25 -0000 --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 17:53:03 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 05:31 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >>> David Scheidt writes: >>>> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, >>>> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm >>>> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), >>>> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? >>> >>> what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, >>> and also function as a middle button. >> >> Let me count the ways... >> >> 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's >> not much use. > > KDE supports it out of the box. Just add '-3 -z 4' to your moused > flags and make sure X thinks the mouse has 5 buttons and you are > good to go. If you have the correct kind of mouse. My Samsung cordless mouse doesn't work under these circumstances. > Konqueror, konsole, etc. all have wheel support. I think for my > current USB trackball I basically just plugged it in and it all > worked immediately. I did say "few". I wouldn't want to be forced to use KDE only because of the mouse support. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCI6nIIubykFB6QiMRAj+sAJ9qYG9XKZ0BJdptlKaA1PpFH5k+SACgrZAN chwNIR6GpAqItNrF2LegEUw= =cHYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:31:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D34B16A4CE; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B228F43D2D; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E919485682; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:20 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:01:20 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: John Baldwin Message-ID: <20050228233120.GM73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200502281753.03906.jhb@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@FreeBSD.org cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:31:25 -0000 --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 17:53:03 -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 05:31 pm, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >> On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >>> David Scheidt writes: >>>> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, >>>> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm >>>> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), >>>> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? >>> >>> what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, >>> and also function as a middle button. >> >> Let me count the ways... >> >> 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's >> not much use. > > KDE supports it out of the box. Just add '-3 -z 4' to your moused > flags and make sure X thinks the mouse has 5 buttons and you are > good to go. If you have the correct kind of mouse. My Samsung cordless mouse doesn't work under these circumstances. > Konqueror, konsole, etc. all have wheel support. I think for my > current USB trackball I basically just plugged it in and it all > worked immediately. I did say "few". I wouldn't want to be forced to use KDE only because of the mouse support. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCI6nIIubykFB6QiMRAj+sAJ9qYG9XKZ0BJdptlKaA1PpFH5k+SACgrZAN chwNIR6GpAqItNrF2LegEUw= =cHYY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EE8jvUPYYQjJtG7J-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 28 23:34:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234D116A4CF for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:34:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949B743D60 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:34:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A79D585680; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:04:29 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:04:29 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Message-ID: <20050228233429.GN73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20050301012416.45ac6f11@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="citGix+cyBYE+lqp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050301012416.45ac6f11@it.buh.tecnik93.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 23:34:33 -0000 --citGix+cyBYE+lqp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 March 2005 at 1:24:16 +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:01:26 +1030 > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> On Monday, 28 February 2005 at 22:52:08 +0100, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >>> David Scheidt writes: >>>> I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, >>>> no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm >>>> not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), >>>> or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? >>> >>> what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, >>> and also function as a middle button. >> >> Let me count the ways... >> >> 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's >> not much use. > > The second wheel in Opera and Sylpheed-claws doesn't work, but in KDE > apps it does. Getting a browser that works is bad enough without having to limit yourself to those browsers that support mouse wheels. I can barely find any browser that is usable. I don't want to restrict my choice further. >> 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own protocol, >> and I have a number here which I can't enable. > > I guess you don't use cheaper models :) this seem to be easier to > setup this days. I use very cheap mice. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --citGix+cyBYE+lqp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCI6qFIubykFB6QiMRAmZZAJ49KGfIUcOncTz+EdKH2lWvQ0lLPwCfbrvY TH/Wf0tZvDy7s2zt8iyxZWw= =2dFp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --citGix+cyBYE+lqp-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 00:21:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CC116A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:21:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (shark.inbox.lv [81.94.227.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E782143D5C for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 00:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kde@inbox.lv) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB57100051 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:19:57 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (w9 [10.0.1.143]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:19:57 +0200 (EET) Received: from 80.233.245.177 ( [80.233.245.177]) as user kde@10.0.1.1 by www.inbox.lv with HTTP; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:19:51 +0200 X-REMOTE-ADDR: 80.233.245.177 X-LANG: ru X-HTTP-HOST: www.inbox.lv X-LOCAL: 1 X-HTTP-USER-AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; FreeBSD i386) Opera 7.54 [ru] Message-ID: <1109636391.4223b5276287c@www.inbox.lv> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 02:19:51 +0200 From: Eugene Latvija To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20050227120010.C494D16A4DD@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20050227120010.C494D16A4DD@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: inbox.lv Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 00:21:31 -0000 >John Baldwin writes: >My wife and I both use XFCE. >Xin LI writes: >I personally use GNOME, but only on my laptop, not the servers :-) i know and ask only about desktop,not server :) >Dag-Erling Smørgrav writes: >my wife and I both use XFCE. Thank you for answers. Theme is closed if somebody don`t want to know about other team members what they use? Advertisement: Atrodiet savu celojumu seit! http://travel.inbox.lv From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 01:35:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B7416A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:35:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B353D43D41 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:35:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.171.3.242 with login) by smtp816.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 01:35:44 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 17:35:42 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <200502281305.49109.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200502281305.49109.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502281735.42607.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:35:45 -0000 On Monday 28 February 2005 01:05 pm, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 12:01 pm, David Scheidt > wrote: > > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no > > bells, no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly > > wheel. I'm not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or > > Bluetooth will work), or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell > > these things? > > I see them used on eBay sometimes. You probably want to search > through the vintage computer listings. I've seen them go cheap, > though occasionally the bids run over $20. I found one doing a quick > search: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5169683162 > The shape is kind of unusual, but maybe that would work. Oh, btw, you might want to check these newsgroups: comp.sys.dec comp.sys.dec.micro comp.sys.sun.hardware comp.sys.sun.misc Also, you can put a want here: comp.sys.sun.wanted Found a sun 3-button on eBay for $5.99: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23160&item=5169534606 - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 03:20:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23E16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 03:20:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from julesburg.uits.indiana.edu (julesburg.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52C343D41 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 03:20:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmschei@attglobal.net) Received: from mail-relay.iu.edu (fontz.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.76]) j213KeaN024415; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (scheidt-rout.canopy.nd.edu [129.74.98.169]) (authenticated bits=0)j213KdxX016194; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:20:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4223DF87.8080106@attglobal.net> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 22:20:39 -0500 From: David Scheidt User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050102) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 03:20:52 -0000 Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > David Scheidt writes: > >>I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, >>no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm >>not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), >>or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > > what do you have against mouse wheels? they are very useful in X, and > also function as a middle button. > > DES Fundamentally, nothing. However, every wheel mouse I've ever used for more than half an hour has made my hand hurt. The wheel is in the wrong place, and is too hard to use as a button. Since I believe I should inflict pain on the hardware, and not the other way around, this is a serious problem. However, following up on pointer I received in private email, I've ordered half a dozen three-button mice. (Two each of three different types.) So I'm probably set for a bit. David From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 09:10:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8390016A4CE; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (bgo1smout1.broadpark.no [217.13.4.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EAC43D31; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 09:10:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no ([217.13.4.93]) by bgo1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICO00I9217ZIB80@bgo1smout1.broadpark.no>; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:04:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsa.des.no ([80.203.228.37]) by bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ICO00M5D1KEJ6A0@bgo1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:12:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by dsa.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 3089E4536D; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:10:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (xps.des.no [10.0.0.12]) by dsa.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 5346245347; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:09:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3D5AB33C3E; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:09:50 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 10:09:50 +0100 From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) In-reply-to: <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey Message-id: <861xazohpd.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on dsa.des.no References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050228223126.GL73162@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: David Scheidt Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 09:10:15 -0000 Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes: > 1. Few FreeBSD applications support the wheel out of the box, so it's > not much use. Most X applications support wheel scrolling out of the box if moused and X are configured properly. This includes xterm, emacs, gimp, and all browsers I've tried, as well as all GTK and Qt applications (read gnome and kde). > 2. Setup is non-trivial. Every mouse seems to have its own protocol, > and I have a number here which I can't enable. I've never had a mouse that moused couldn't autodetect. As for enabling the wheel, just add '-z 4' to moused's command line and 'Option "Buttons" "5"' to the appropriate InputDevice section in xorg.conf. I have to admit that I don't use the middle button much (Shift-Ins and Ctrl-V are far more convenient), but I use the wheel a lot. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 11:42:35 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EE316A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rosebud.otenet.gr (rosebud.otenet.gr [195.170.0.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D139343D2D for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:42:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (aris.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.226])j21BgFna005214; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:42:15 +0200 Received: from orion.daedalusnetworks.priv (orion [127.0.0.1]) j21BgRNW090981; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:42:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost)j21BgQI6090980; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:42:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:42:26 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Eugene Latvija Message-ID: <20050301114226.GA90889@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> References: <20050227120010.C494D16A4DD@hub.freebsd.org> <1109636391.4223b5276287c@www.inbox.lv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1109636391.4223b5276287c@www.inbox.lv> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:42:35 -0000 On 2005-03-01 02:19, Eugene Latvija wrote: >>John Baldwin writes: >>My wife and I both use XFCE. > >>Xin LI writes: >>I personally use GNOME, but only on my laptop, not the servers :-) > > i know and ask only about desktop,not server :) > >>Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav writes: >>my wife and I both use XFCE. > > Thank you for answers. I use a plain windowmaker-based setup with 3-4 virtual desktops, lots of xterms open, a browser with several tabs and a couple of other tools (gaim, for example). The windowmaker theme has been stripped of most window decorations, except for a thin window border, and I navigate around the desktop with ALT+mouse or the keyboard. A sample screenshot, if one is needed, can be found at: http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/desktop.png From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 14:02:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D291416A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eddie.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7739F43D66 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:02:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@eddie.nitro.dk) Received: by eddie.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E12B611A143; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:02:52 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:02:52 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: Giorgos Keramidas Message-ID: <20050301140252.GE42186@eddie.nitro.dk> References: <20050227120010.C494D16A4DD@hub.freebsd.org> <1109636391.4223b5276287c@www.inbox.lv> <20050301114226.GA90889@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Lb0e7rgc7IsuDeGj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050301114226.GA90889@orion.daedalusnetworks.priv> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: Eugene Latvija cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:02:55 -0000 --Lb0e7rgc7IsuDeGj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.03.01 13:42:26 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-03-01 02:19, Eugene Latvija wrote: > >>John Baldwin writes: > >>My wife and I both use XFCE. > > > >>Xin LI writes: > >>I personally use GNOME, but only on my laptop, not the servers :-) > > > > i know and ask only about desktop,not server :) > > > >>Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav writes: > >>my wife and I both use XFCE. > > > > Thank you for answers. >=20 > I use a plain windowmaker-based setup with 3-4 virtual desktops, lots > of xterms open, a browser with several tabs and a couple of other > tools (gaim, for example). Same here, though I use up to 6 virtual desktops :-). > The windowmaker theme has been stripped of most window decorations, > except for a thin window border, and I navigate around the desktop > with ALT+mouse or the keyboard. >=20 > A sample screenshot, if one is needed, can be found at: > http://people.freebsd.org/~keramida/desktop.png Interesting, is this a theme or how have you done it? (read: where can I download it? ;) ). --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --Lb0e7rgc7IsuDeGj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCJHYMh9pcDSc1mlERAvQIAKCqN3ikEnD+XRqa4AGbzDttJ++X0QCgoILE 2//G3pxyljTuZJBLH+Y2u4s= =/naj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Lb0e7rgc7IsuDeGj-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 14:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9891916A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11E6A43D48 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 14:40:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 19620 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 14:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 14:35:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 32332 invoked by uid 89); 1 Mar 2005 14:45:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (82.76.1.117) by 0 with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 14:45:50 -0000 Received: from buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7ACD60FE; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:40:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro [192.168.0.10]) by buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4715760FB; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:40:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD9CFA; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:40:17 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:40:17 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050301164017.55f913ee@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.1 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV-Checked: on buh by ClamAV using ClamSMTP Subject: Custom servers seller ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:40:37 -0000 Hi, I'm looking for a company like MBX.com, that ships custom servers with pre-installed apps for an application server I'm developing. I need them to: - build boxes according with my specifications - have FreeBSD experience (5.x would be a plus) - install a custom FreeBSD release that I provide on them - ships them word-wide - assures (hardware) support for them If anyone could recommend such a company ..... Thanks. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 18:02:26 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB9216A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:02:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A2143D53 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 18:02:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from stox.dyndns.org (adsl-69-208-188-9.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [69.208.188.9])j21I2FHb172000; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 13:02:24 -0500 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu In-Reply-To: <20050301164017.55f913ee@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> References: <20050301164017.55f913ee@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 12:02:15 -0600 Message-Id: <1109700135.1367.4.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Custom servers seller ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:02:26 -0000 On Tue, 2005-03-01 at 16:40 +0200, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > Hi, > > > I'm looking for a company like MBX.com, that ships custom servers with > pre-installed apps for an application server I'm developing. > > I need them to: > - build boxes according with my specifications > - have FreeBSD experience (5.x would be a plus) > - install a custom FreeBSD release that I provide on them > - ships them word-wide > - assures (hardware) support for them > > If anyone could recommend such a company ..... Thanks. > Have you asked MBX about this? They have been very helpful to me in the past, although I have to admit I always load my own. -- Kenneth P. Stox From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 1 21:13:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD20C16A4D9 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:13:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4265143D31 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:13:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 1 Mar 2005 15:10:08 -0600 Message-ID: <4224DB02.2040705@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 15:13:38 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Scheidt References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> <86hdjw1hfb.fsf@xps.des.no> <4223DF87.8080106@attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <4223DF87.8080106@attglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2005 21:10:09.0532 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CED7BC0:01C51EA3] cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:13:42 -0000 David Scheidt wrote: > However, following up on pointer I received in private email, I've > ordered > half a dozen three-button mice. (Two each of three different types.) > So I'm probably set for a bit. > > David Well, shucks. I had one brand new in the box that I thought I might auction here as it seems at least a few people have fondness for such. "Who'll give me 20, 20, do I hear 25?" Hrm. Sound like I need auctioneer lessons from the guy down the road. Now, I'll just have to keep it :-) Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 04:40:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592F216A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:40:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.wlink.com.np (smtp4.wlink.com.np [202.79.32.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7BBE243D58 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:40:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from neeraj@wlink.com.np) Received: (qmail 73180 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 04:39:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO av-scanner-02.wlink.com.np) (202.79.32.91) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 04:39:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 99711 invoked by uid 1009); 4 Mar 2005 04:39:57 -0000 Received: from neeraj@wlink.com.np by av-scanner-02.wlink.com.np by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.20 ( Clear:RC:1(202.79.32.78):. Processed in 0.006904 secs); 04 Mar 2005 04:39:57 -0000 Received: from smtp3.wlink.com.np (202.79.32.78) by av-scanner-02.wlink.com.np with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 04:39:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 2925 invoked by uid 514); 4 Mar 2005 04:39:59 -0000 Received: from [202.79.36.170] (HELO [202.79.36.170]) by smtp3.wlink.com.np (qmail-smtpd) with SMTP; 04 Mar 2005 04:39:58 -0000 (Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:24:58 +0545) From: neeraj shrestha To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1109911199.22126.0.camel@neeraj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:25:00 +0545 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Check-By: smtp3.wlink.com.np Spam: No ; -4.9 / 5.0 X-Spam-Status-WL: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 Subject: stock and vanilla kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:40:09 -0000 what is the difference between vanilla and stock kernel? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 04:46:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F257B16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:46:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-222-87-197.jan.bellsouth.net [68.222.87.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5027F43D41 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 04:46:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gh@over-yonder.net) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 33D4320FF4; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:46:34 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 22:46:33 -0600 From: "Daniel M. Kurry" To: neeraj shrestha Message-ID: <20050304044633.GA4115@over-yonder.net> References: <1109911199.22126.0.camel@neeraj> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1109911199.22126.0.camel@neeraj> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i-fullermd.2 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: stock and vanilla kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 04:46:38 -0000 neeraj shrestha said something like: > what is the difference between vanilla and stock kernel? It seems to me the difference is nothing, but I suppose it could be that vanilla means "without anything that is not required," as equivalent to "bare bones." I expect most usage treats vanilla and stock as equivalents. Daniel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 08:56:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DBF16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakepoint.domeneshop.no (lakepoint.domeneshop.no [194.63.248.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8415D43D4C for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 08:56:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lists@wm-access.no) Received: from [192.168.2.8] (gw1.wm-access.no [81.191.131.91]) (authenticated bits=0)j248u0qU006851 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:56:01 +0100 Message-ID: <4228229F.9090705@wm-access.no> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 09:55:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sten_Daniel_S=F8rsdal?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <1109911199.22126.0.camel@neeraj> In-Reply-To: <1109911199.22126.0.camel@neeraj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: stock and vanilla kernel X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 08:56:03 -0000 neeraj shrestha wrote: > what is the difference between vanilla and stock kernel? I'd say stock is the same as GENERIC while vanilla means with-almost-no-modifications-and-no-special-hacks-applied. -- Sten Daniel Sørsdal From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 12:50:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F9516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:50:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB6B43D53 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:50:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (vol75-8-82-233-239-98.fbx.proxad.net [82.233.239.98]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C046A2D5634 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:50:30 +0100 (CET) Received: by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B70A2407C; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:49:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:49:46 +0100 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050304124946.GY15329@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Is bug retention a new fashion ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:50:31 -0000 Hi, http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=110993373705509&w=2 can someone explain us what is the story behind this ? I don't think this is constructive in both ways. Thanks, -- Jeremie Le Hen jeremie at le-hen dot org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 12:53:00 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0192A16A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:53:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41C243D58 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:52:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (vol75-8-82-233-239-98.fbx.proxad.net [82.233.239.98]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3932D5855 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:52:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 78AB1407C; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:52:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:52:15 +0100 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20050304125215.GZ15329@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: <20050304124946.GY15329@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050304124946.GY15329@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i Subject: Re: Is bug retention a new fashion ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:53:00 -0000 > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=110993373705509&w=2 > > can someone explain us what is the story behind this ? I don't think > this is constructive in both ways. This has already been asked on -hackers@. http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=630869+0+current/freebsd-hackers http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=633632+0+current/freebsd-hackers Sorry for the noise. Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen jeremie at le-hen dot org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 4 13:54:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BE316A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [66.111.41.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1011443D31 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:54:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54AA2B89; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C1DB36; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:54:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 05:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Scheidt In-Reply-To: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> Message-ID: <20050304055239.V14051-100000@moo.sysabend.org> X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:54:52 -0000 On Mon, 28 Feb 2005, David Scheidt wrote: > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, no > whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm not > picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), or > balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? I know you said you've ordered some, but I have a Mouse Systems 3 button mouse for the PC in the original box. Works with serial or PS/2 port. The only drawback is that you have to use the grid pad with it (Mouse Systems, the original Optical Mouse). Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Mar 5 07:00:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF25216A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:00:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C7743D41 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 2005 07:00:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Received: from gte.net ([4.11.48.75])0.04 <0ICV003FKA53SXF2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 05 Mar 2005 01:00:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 23:01:41 -0800 From: Robert Clark In-reply-to: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> To: David Scheidt Message-id: <42295955.2040505@gte.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <4223788C.9060908@attglobal.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:00:41 -0000 You might give these a look: IBM Optical : http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?ID=5884 IBM Ball: http://www.pcsurplusonline.com/viewprod.cfm?ID=4998 I don't have one handy to look at, but I used the ball mouse in a class, and liked it better than my wheel mouse. If you prefer a logitech style old school three button ps/2 mouse, you can hit froogle.com, and search for "labtec 3 button mouse -wheel -scroll -optical". It looks like there are any number of sites selling them for about 4$ plus shipping. [RC] David Scheidt wrote: > I need a three button mouse. Just three buttons, no wheel, no bells, > no whistles. I can't find one, as everything has a silly wheel. I'm > not picky about interface (PS/2, USB, serial, or Bluetooth will work), > or balls v. optical. Does anyone still sell these things? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >