From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 21 10:24:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D3E16A41F for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:24:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 69A4C43D53 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:24:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 24564 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 10:23:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 10:23:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 1670 invoked by uid 89); 21 Aug 2005 10:23:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 10:23:54 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1693E114D5; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:58:08 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:58:06 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: goatse@phreaker.net Message-ID: <20050821125806.4b06a022@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <43062A01.5000208@phreaker.net> References: <43062A01.5000208@phreaker.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is azureus finally okay? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:24:05 -0000 On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:50:41 +0200 anon wrote: > I have used many bittorrent programs, Currently im using bittornado > after using rtorrent (great program but crashing all the time) > But Bittornado doesnt relly have all the good functions like a > torrent queue for example... > > Anyway I have had freeBSD 5.3 and my runnings with azureus have > always been troublesome, because azureus+freeBSD arent the best > friends... last time I tried with 2.2.0.0 and jdk-14 it didnt work, > only time it worked was when I tried an CVS nightbuild, with an old > azureus version, like 1.4 ... but that crashed once in a while too... > > So im just wondering 1) is azureus, latest version from ports finally > hassle/bug/crash free? and therefore 1 b) is jdk 1.5 finally working > and okay? not just beta, or that I have to use linux 1.5 java Right now azureus won't compile because of the new eclipse version. I'm using azureus with native jdk1.5 and it works better that it used to work with 1.4; it still has a memory leak somewhere, but as long as you have less that 100-150 torrents queued I have no big problems; it usually crashes out-of-memory after 2-3 weeks of running. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 00:23:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CFF16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:23:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pruggia@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24DA43D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:23:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pruggia@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so618723nzd for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jsxCDiGCe98RCxyOR7LSPtd+Zq5KKY1nTisQ9eDNZijPnCNmDlpE8oDX1DamxAWy9yleLI6lSr8Az0buB3R7Oer1uclGpNq4GrPXOPjBvVft3xxFx91GJYh+gM+1RR+s8Lxz4oR2DnZO41Y4Iw63+KjTi/cQWmchnFlHAN9ySRg= Received: by 10.36.43.13 with SMTP id q13mr688259nzq; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.119.10 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 21:23:49 -0300 From: Pablo Ruggia To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:23:50 -0000 Hi !!! I own a software company who works developing Java Web Applications. We=20 principally use jsdk1.4.2, eclipse and tomcat. I want to change my servers and workstations to freebsd 5.4, but from what= =20 people says, freebsd java support is not very good. Are there some people working with this similar enviroment in freebsd ???? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 05:41:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B9016A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:41:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: from chen.org.nz (chen.org.nz [210.54.19.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E0843D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:41:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonc@chen.org.nz) Received: by chen.org.nz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 97D4C56423; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:41:10 +1200 (NZST) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:41:10 +1200 From: Jonathan Chen To: Pablo Ruggia Message-ID: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:41:12 -0000 On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:23:49PM -0300, Pablo Ruggia wrote: > Hi !!! > > I own a software company who works developing Java Web Applications. We > principally use jsdk1.4.2, eclipse and tomcat. > I want to change my servers and workstations to freebsd 5.4, but from what > people says, freebsd java support is not very good. > Are there some people working with this similar enviroment in freebsd ???? If you ask on a FreeBSD list, chances are there will be quite a few people on the list using JDK1.4.2 on FreeBSD5 on production environments. I've personally set up several servers for a number of clients for JBoss4, and all the systems run quite well. CHeers. -- Jonathan Chen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by" - Douglas Adams From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 08:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE4B16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:15:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: from gollum.cambrium.nl (mx1.cambrium.nl [217.19.16.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10E5043D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:15:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: (qmail 29139 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 08:15:40 -0000 Received: from 82-197-207-21.dsl.cambrium.nl (HELO ?192.168.1.143?) (82.197.207.21) by gollum.cambrium.nl with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 08:15:40 -0000 Message-ID: <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:15:39 +0200 From: Joris Verschoor Organization: Nefli B.V. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:15:43 -0000 Hello, We run Java on FreeBSD5 too and it's working nicely. We compiled from source. I have to admit that it's not very simple / fast to get java installed (but this is because of sun) We're using resin3 Jonathan Chen wrote: >On Sun, Aug 21, 2005 at 09:23:49PM -0300, Pablo Ruggia wrote: > > >>Hi !!! >> >>I own a software company who works developing Java Web Applications. We >>principally use jsdk1.4.2, eclipse and tomcat. >>I want to change my servers and workstations to freebsd 5.4, but from what >>people says, freebsd java support is not very good. >>Are there some people working with this similar enviroment in freebsd ???? >> >> > >If you ask on a FreeBSD list, chances are there will be quite a few >people on the list using JDK1.4.2 on FreeBSD5 on production environments. >I've personally set up several servers for a number of clients for >JBoss4, and all the systems run quite well. > >CHeers. > > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 09:06:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3686016A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:06:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D50A43D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:05:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7M95tID066396; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:05:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.163] (pc163.ebs.gr [10.1.1.163]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7M95vd1077277; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:05:57 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <43099572.2090603@ebs.gr> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:05:54 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pablo Ruggia References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:06:00 -0000 Pablo Ruggia wrote: > Hi !!! > > I own a software company who works developing Java Web Applications. We > principally use jsdk1.4.2, eclipse and tomcat. > I want to change my servers and workstations to freebsd 5.4, but from what > people says, freebsd java support is not very good. > Are there some people working with this similar enviroment in freebsd ???? Yes, of course. I believe that you will find it a painless experience, as long as you use the ports and don't mind the Sun Community Source License. Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 09:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901AC16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:41:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aturetta@bestunion.it) Received: from ms007msg.fastweb.it (ms007msg.fastweb.it [213.140.2.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1534B43D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:41:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aturetta@bestunion.it) Received: from mail.bestunion.it (81.208.52.77) by ms007msg.fastweb.it (7.2.060.2) id 42F2305900099CDF for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:41:17 +0200 Received: from [151.41.5.92] (adsl-ull-92-5.41-151.net24.it [151.41.5.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.bestunion.it (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7M9eO4D024300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:40:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from aturetta@bestunion.it) Message-ID: <43099D87.1060202@bestunion.it> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:40:23 +0200 From: Angelo Turetta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050811221854.5914F1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> In-Reply-To: <20050811221854.5914F1F50B1@ws1-2.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on mail.bestunion.it X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail.bestunion.it Cc: Lukman Jaji Subject: Re: Barcode help X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:41:19 -0000 Lukman Jaji wrote: > Hi all, > > I am sorry i have not been so active for almost a yr now. I need u guys to help me with a little info on barcodes. > I have an inventory management software and i need to incorporate a barcode printing capanilities on it. Can i get a code snippet to do this,,,,any of the barcodes types of Code 39, Code 128B, etc. Also is there a special barcode printer or the barcode scanner would recognise codes printer from a HP printer or laser printer. any help would be appreciated... > > Jaji > http://barcode4j.krysalis.org/ Angelo. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 10:43:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2975B16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:43:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: from web50108.mail.yahoo.com (web50108.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B068C43D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:43:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 28121 invoked by uid 60001); 22 Aug 2005 10:43:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EeDDlgHAIbANt5XQj0ay/3qhqQH0rInYdhyP+QLEif501w9AY1VBTliYy3DwHH7om2p+N5XmDyoIJk2ShuN1WZEUSWoDxdEP/XqRKVYwWrxJTu4WSVEQchMwxozbAcC023Cygtzr3siPOAWF98kxSFbhzxBMWVMHjxlVQaPvRmU= ; Message-ID: <20050822104353.28119.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.200.51.98] by web50108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:43:53 PDT Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 03:43:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Arvind Nahata To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <43059CFB.20407@iang.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Arvind Nahata Subject: Re: JRE for FreeBSD 5.4, Monitoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:43:54 -0000 Many thanks to Ian G, Greg Lewis, and Ronald Klop for their responses! Please ignore my ignorance, but can you first tell me what do you mean by "PORTS" I am really confused and am sure it has some different meaning in the FreeBSD world. Also, where can I find all the posts of freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org? Thanks in advance! --- Ian G wrote: > Arvind Nahata wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am looking at developing system level monitors > such > > as System CPU, Memory, FileSystem, Disk, TCP, > Process > > etc for FreeBSD 5.4 using Java and JNI, if needed. > > > > > I have a couple of queries regarding this: > > 1. Is it possible to monitor FreeBSD 5.4 using > Java + > > JNI? > > "Anything's possible" in JNI but it needs > to be maintained and I personally have > never found it easy enough to understand > and write reliably. > > What would be absolutely divine is if there > was a standard ports that exposed all the > system calls in Java. > > (especially, Unix domain sockets. See my > last post for reasons.) > > > 2. Is there a reliable JRE available for FreeBSD > 5.4? > > I've found the standard ports to be very > reliable, including the 1.5, more so than > on Linux where unexplained lock-ups in > threading persist. But that's not a > reliable indicator, it could be threading > bugs in the programs that just happen to > trip up in Linux. > > iang > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 11:02:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842AB16A429 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDAC43D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7MB2HHR036889 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:17 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7MB2Ge7036883 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:16 GMT Message-Id: <200508221102.j7MB2Ge7036883@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:02:17 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2002/05/13] ports/38018 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: make passing of JVM f [2002/05/13] ports/38020 java www/jakarta-tomcat4: stop tomcat via java o [2004/05/01] java/66151 java JBuilderX (sun jvm 1.4.1 builtin) crashes o [2004/09/22] ports/72014 java Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it ha o [2004/12/06] ports/74760 java java/javavmwrapper messes up amavisd-new o [2005/01/24] java/76631 java any port linux-*-jdk12 will core dump if o [2005/03/04] ports/78396 java Java 1.4 fails to compile under FreeBSD 4 o [2005/05/17] java/81176 java Java Webstart does not work f [2005/06/13] java/82183 java Cannot install Java 1.5, lots of missing f [2005/07/14] ports/83434 java tomcat ports give the wrong ownership to o [2005/08/01] java/84422 java Timezone Handling does not work with Free 11 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [2003/09/16] ports/56928 java jce-aba port should install to $JAVA_HOME o [2004/08/11] java/70292 java jdk14 compile problem f [2004/11/24] ports/74344 java [proposal] tomcat41ctl: support for passi o [2004/12/16] ports/75143 java There is no way to specify jvm parameters o [2005/08/08] ports/84672 java Fix for the internal browser in java/ecli 5 problems total. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 11:14:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BF016A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:14:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anatoli@aksoft.net) Received: from 26th.net (26th.net [217.79.183.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156FD43D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:14:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from anatoli@aksoft.net) Received: from control.26th.net (localhost.int.26th.net [127.0.0.1]) by 26th.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095301DBA6 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:14:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 217.79.183.193 (SquirrelMail authenticated user dev@26th.net) by control.26th.net with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:14:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49955.217.79.183.193.1124709273.squirrel@control.26th.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:14:33 +0200 (CEST) From: "Anatoli Klassen" To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Please test the current 1.5 experimental patchset X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:14:34 -0000 Hi > I've tested it on FreeBSD 4.11/i385 and 5.4/amd64, so I'd most like to > hear reports on 5.4/i386, 6.0/i386 and 6.0/amd64. I've installed the patchset on two 5.4/i386 machines. It works fine, no problems found. (I use Java as server environment, not desktop) From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:37:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59AA616A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:37:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DAF43D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:37:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.227.193.48.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.227.193.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E7CUJ-0005ig-00; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:37:19 -0400 Message-ID: <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 07:37:26 -0600 From: Phil Helms User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joris Verschoor References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> In-Reply-To: <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-0, 08/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:37:22 -0000 If it's Sun's fault, why does Linux have Java? Joris Verschoor wrote: > Hello, > > We run Java on FreeBSD5 too and it's working nicely. We compiled from > source. > I have to admit that it's not very simple / fast to get java installed > (but this is because of sun) > We're using resin3 > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:43:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A4916A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from mail.dti.supsi.ch (mail.dti.supsi.ch [193.5.153.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1888043D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from [193.5.152.27] (pcm2027.dti.supsi.ch [193.5.152.27]) by mail.dti.supsi.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7MDhT1F019733; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:43:29 +0200 Message-ID: <4309D5FB.9040908@supsi.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:41:15 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phelms1@mindspring.com References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Joris Verschoor , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:43:37 -0000 Phil Helms wrote: > If it's Sun's fault, why does Linux have Java? Funny question.. BTW.. FreeBSD have a very good java implementation. Thank you to all involved in porting java to FreeBSD! Robi. > > Joris Verschoor wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We run Java on FreeBSD5 too and it's working nicely. We compiled from >> source. >> I have to admit that it's not very simple / fast to get java >> installed (but this is because of sun) >> We're using resin3 >> > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 13:50:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D2D16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:50:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: from gollum.cambrium.nl (mx1.cambrium.nl [217.19.16.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B816A43D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:50:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: (qmail 5870 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 13:50:18 -0000 Received: from 82-197-207-21.dsl.cambrium.nl (HELO ?192.168.1.143?) (82.197.207.21) by gollum.cambrium.nl with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 13:50:18 -0000 Message-ID: <4309D832.3040508@nefli.nl> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:50:42 +0200 From: Joris Verschoor Organization: Nefli B.V. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:50:20 -0000 Well I'm not sure. Maybe it's too much work for them to assure the quality on more platforms. otoh, running their tests _should_ be enough. But I tend to think that linux has a wider audience / visibility than freebsd. Phil Helms wrote: > If it's Sun's fault, why does Linux have Java? > > Joris Verschoor wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> We run Java on FreeBSD5 too and it's working nicely. We compiled from >> source. >> I have to admit that it's not very simple / fast to get java >> installed (but this is because of sun) >> We're using resin3 >> > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 14:18:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F2F16A420 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:18:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41E443D53 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:18:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.227.193.48.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.227.193.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E7D82-0004fy-00 for freebsd-java@freebsd.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:18:23 -0400 Message-ID: <4309DEB5.8030809@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:18:29 -0600 From: Phil Helms User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309D5FB.9040908@supsi.ch> In-Reply-To: <4309D5FB.9040908@supsi.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-0, 08/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:18:25 -0000 Maybe I should restate the question. I have used FreeBSD 4.X (4.8 and 4.10) in the past, and have liked it. However, despite FreeBSD's capabilities, and the applications available to be run on it, it did not have a serious Java implementation. What I needed was an OS that I could use as a desktop platform to get work done. Because of the lack of decent Java support in FreeBSD, I decided to switch to Linux, which does have Java, and I'm now happy with what I have in Linux. Nevertheless, I have installed FreeBSD 5.4, and hope to be able to do something with it. If, because of the efforts of dedicated and talented developers, FreeBSD 5.4 and beyond is to have Java support, that would remove the main impediment to my use of FreeBSD as a desktop platform. Just the same, having to do compiles to get Java functionality is problematic. In Linux, the functionality is there without the need for compiling anything. My hope is that compilation to obtain Java functionality in FreeBSD will some day be a thing of the past, just as compilation is unnecessary for things like Gnome, KDE, Kontact, or Evolution. That would be good. Still, why is it Sun's fault? Please enlighten me. Roberto Nunnari wrote: > Phil Helms wrote: > >> If it's Sun's fault, why does Linux have Java? > > > Funny question.. BTW.. FreeBSD have a very good java > implementation. > > Thank you to all involved in porting java to FreeBSD! > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 14:26:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308E16A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A834743D49 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:26:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.227.193.48.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.227.193.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E7DFy-0004Af-00; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:26:35 -0400 Message-ID: <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:26:41 -0600 From: Phil Helms User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian G References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> In-Reply-To: <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-0, 08/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:26:50 -0000 Thanks for the information. Your answer raises a concern. Once Java is ported to FreeBSD, what's to prevent it falling behind, like on Apple's OS? Ian G wrote: > Phil Helms wrote: > >> If it's Sun's fault, why does Linux have Java? > > > More resources. The 'blackdown' group has enough > resources (including help from companies that sell > Linux) to run through the very very big and complex > suite of tests that Sun impose on any Java distro. > There appears to be more work in getting through > the tests and getting it formally accepted by Sun > than there is in just porting the product, so Java > is really only pushed by Sun on Linux, Microsoft. > > It's all part of the "write once, run anywhere" > policy which basically backfires on them. You'll > notice that Apple has a lot of trouble keeping up > as well, and even the Solaris platform lags at times. > > iang > > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 14:52:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB0016A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:52:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net (pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net [207.69.200.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AABB43D48 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:52:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phelms1@mindspring.com) Received: from dialup-4.227.193.48.dial1.denver1.level3.net ([4.227.193.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by pop03.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1E7Dej-0004nD-00; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:52:16 -0600 From: Phil Helms User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ian G References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> In-Reply-To: <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0534-0, 08/22/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: phelms1@mindspring.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:52:12 -0000 I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the test suite? Ian G wrote: > > Java *is* ported to FreeBSD, and is these days quite > snappy about it. Problem is, there is no permission > to distribute a port in Package form. You can quite > happily make yourself a Package, though. > -- Phil Helms phelms1@mindspring.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 14:59:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE1216A420 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:59:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF2C43D5C for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:59:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MExGaG026078; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:59:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1/Submit) id j7MExGH3026077; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:59:16 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Phil Helms Message-ID: <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on bilver.wjv.com Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Ian G Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:59:25 -0000 After replacing Phil Helms with a small shell script on Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:52 , the following appeared on stdout: > I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to > include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing > FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the > test suite? The cost involved. Without a certified port approved by Sun, all other have to compile it themselves and can not redistribute the compiled version. > Ian G wrote: > > > >Java *is* ported to FreeBSD, and is these days quite > >snappy about it. Problem is, there is no permission > >to distribute a port in Package form. You can quite > >happily make yourself a Package, though. > > > > -- > Phil Helms > phelms1@mindspring.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 15:10:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B3816A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:10:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: from gollum.cambrium.nl (mx1.cambrium.nl [217.19.16.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10D3843D5A for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:10:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from j.verschoor@nefli.nl) Received: (qmail 5915 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 15:10:47 -0000 Received: from 82-197-207-21.dsl.cambrium.nl (HELO ?192.168.1.143?) (82.197.207.21) by gollum.cambrium.nl with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 15:10:47 -0000 Message-ID: <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:11:27 +0200 From: Joris Verschoor Organization: Nefli B.V. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> In-Reply-To: <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:10:51 -0000 iirc the freebsd foundation arranged some sort of agreement with sun some time ago. Or was this only for an older version? What is the state of this? And can we expect a package in the future? btw, how much does certification cost, and does it have to be payed every update release? Bill Vermillion wrote: >After replacing Phil Helms with a small shell script on >Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:52 , the following appeared on stdout: > > >>I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to >>include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing >>FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the >>test suite? >> >> > >The cost involved. Without a certified port approved by Sun, >all other have to compile it themselves and can not redistribute >the compiled version. > > > > > >>Ian G wrote: >> >> >>>Java *is* ported to FreeBSD, and is these days quite >>>snappy about it. Problem is, there is no permission >>>to distribute a port in Package form. You can quite >>>happily make yourself a Package, though. >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>Phil Helms >>phelms1@mindspring.com >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > > From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 15:23:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C4916A420 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:23:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from wjv.com (fl-65-40-24-38.sta.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3428843D45 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:23:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j7MFMtPL026305; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:22:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.11/8.13.1/Submit) id j7MFMoIA026304; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:22:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:22:50 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Joris Verschoor Message-ID: <20050822152250.GE26047@wjv.com> References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on bilver.wjv.com Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:23:10 -0000 It's Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 17:11 . I'm in a small dim room with doors labeled "Dungeon" and "Forbidden". There is noise, the door marked Dungeon flies open and Joris Verschoor SHOUTS: > iirc the freebsd foundation arranged some sort of agreement with sun > some time ago. Or was this only for an older version? > What is the state of this? And can we expect a package in the future? > btw, how much does certification cost, and does it have to be payed > every update release? That was for an older version. Each new version requires a complete testing and then Sun giving it's approval. I just checked the freebsdfoundation.org site and the version that is available as a binary download from there is 1.3.1. It also says it has been 'certified and tested' to run on FreeBSD 4.8. But it also notes that it does NOT work on 5.x 'due to a binary compatibility issue' but that they are working on it. > > > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > >After replacing Phil Helms with a small shell script on > >Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:52 , the following appeared on stdout: > > > > > >>I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to > >>include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing > >>FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the > >>test suite? > >> > >> > > > >The cost involved. Without a certified port approved by Sun, > >all other have to compile it themselves and can not redistribute > >the compiled version. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Ian G wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Java *is* ported to FreeBSD, and is these days quite > >>>snappy about it. Problem is, there is no permission > >>>to distribute a port in Package form. You can quite > >>>happily make yourself a Package, though. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>Phil Helms > >>phelms1@mindspring.com > >>_______________________________________________ > >>freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >> > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 15:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B585B16A422 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:24:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from mail.dti.supsi.ch (mail.dti.supsi.ch [193.5.153.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF07C43D58 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch) Received: from [193.5.152.27] (pcm2027.dti.supsi.ch [193.5.152.27]) by mail.dti.supsi.ch (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7MFOKIJ025157; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:24:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4309ED9C.7060802@supsi.ch> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:22:04 +0200 From: Roberto Nunnari User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joris Verschoor References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> In-Reply-To: <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:24:26 -0000 Joris Verschoor wrote: > iirc the freebsd foundation arranged some sort of agreement with sun > some time ago. Or was this only for an older version? I believe it was for 1.3.x > What is the state of this? And can we expect a package in the future? > btw, how much does certification cost, and does it have to be payed > every update release? > > > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > >> After replacing Phil Helms with a small shell script on >> Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 08:52 , the following appeared on stdout: >> >> >>> I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to >>> include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing >>> FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the >>> test suite? >>> >> >> >> The cost involved. Without a certified port approved by Sun, >> all other have to compile it themselves and can not redistribute >> the compiled version. >> >> >> >> >> >>> Ian G wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Java *is* ported to FreeBSD, and is these days quite >>>> snappy about it. Problem is, there is no permission >>>> to distribute a port in Package form. You can quite >>>> happily make yourself a Package, though. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Phil Helms >>> phelms1@mindspring.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Roberto Nunnari -software engineer- mailto:roberto.nunnari@supsi.ch Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana Dipartimento Tecnologie Innovative http://www.dti.supsi.ch SUPSI-DTI Via Cantonale tel: +41-91-6108561 6928 Manno """ fax: +41-91-6108570 Switzerland (o o) =======================oOO==(_)==OOo======================== From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 22 22:27:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AF416A41F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:27:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from smtp-out3.tiscali.nl (smtp-out3.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1266E43D46 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:27:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from [82.171.39.195] (helo=guido.klop.ws) by smtp-out3.tiscali.nl with smtp (Tiscali http://www.tiscali.nl) id 1E7Kl6-0001S0-1g for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:27:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 4521 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2005 22:27:10 -0000 Received: from localhost.thuis.klop.ws (HELO outgoing.local) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.thuis.klop.ws with SMTP; 22 Aug 2005 22:27:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:27:08 +0200 To: "Arvind Nahata" References: <20050822104353.28119.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Ronald Klop" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050822104353.28119.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.02 (FreeBSD, build 1272) Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JRE for FreeBSD 5.4, Monitoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:27:13 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:43:53 +0200, Arvind Nahata wrote: > Many thanks to Ian G, Greg Lewis, and Ronald Klop for > their responses! > > Please ignore my ignorance, but can you first tell me > what do you mean by "PORTS" If you type this. cd /usr/ports ls Do you see a list of category names? If yes, type: cd games/xmines make make install make clean and some time later you have a working minesweeper game on your computer. You can do the same for cd /usr/ports/www/firefox make make install make clean To deinstall do cd /usr/ports/www/firefox make deinstall Ronald. PS: The great stuff of this is, that dependencies are automaticly resolved. -- Ronald Klop Amsterdam, The Netherlands From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 05:03:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE8C16A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:03:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from twonetom18.sge.net (twonetom18.sge.net [152.91.2.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E3B43D45 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:03:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from twonetvs14.sge.net (twonetvs-om [152.91.2.17]) by twonetom18.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB860AEFB for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetvs14.sge.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9075E1522A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from twonetim3.sge.net (twonetim-vs.sge.net [152.91.2.9]) by twonetvs14.sge.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BA01520C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from guinness.lyn.gwy (unknown [152.91.9.242]) by twonetim3.sge.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62F9CA9CC for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from vmail.aipo.gov.au (mail-in.ipa.lyn.gwy [192.168.254.253]) by guinness.lyn.gwy with ESMTP id j7N53Tnt005219 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from xena.aipo.gov.au (xena.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.52]) by vmail.aipo.gov.au (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7N53TUW093970 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au) Received: from [10.0.100.18] (newton.aipo.gov.au [10.0.100.18]) by xena.aipo.gov.au (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7N53Q6K021399 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:29 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au) Message-ID: <430AAE1E.4060009@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:03:26 +1000 From: Carl Makin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050725) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org References: <20050815204817.GA8153@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200508161639.04139.jkim@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200508161639.04139.jkim@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 10.0.100.191 Subject: Re: Please test the current 1.5 experimental patchset X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 05:03:32 -0000 Hi, Jung-uk Kim wrote: > http://people.freebsd.org/~jkim/jdk15p2-port.tgz The experimental patch 2 port built fine except it didn't build the browser plugin. In looking through the port (and the 1.4 port) I can't work out how the plugin is supposed to be built. Can someone point me in the right direction please? Thanks, Carl. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 08:11:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAE116A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:11:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F17D943D45 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:11:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7N8BKID070290; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.163] (pc163.ebs.gr [10.1.1.163]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7N8BHum019311; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:20 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <430ADA22.8060503@ebs.gr> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:11:14 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: phelms1@mindspring.com References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Ian G Subject: On binary JDK packages (was: Re: Starting with freebsd) X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:11:24 -0000 Phil Helms wrote: > I assume there's some sort of license that allows Linux distros to > include Java in compiled form. If that's so, then what's preventing > FreeBSD from having the same thing? The difficulty of performing the > test suite? The last news on that front can be found here: http://www.javalobby.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=16511&tstart=0 http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/01/06/HNfreebsdsun_1.html I don't know if there has been any progress on this, after Sun's licensing restructuring. Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:26:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED35C16A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:26:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3029343D45 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:26:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGQauZ009145; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:26:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7NGQYxX009144; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:26:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:26:34 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Joris Verschoor Message-ID: <20050823162634.GA9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:26:39 -0000 On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 05:11:27PM +0200, Joris Verschoor wrote: > iirc the freebsd foundation arranged some sort of agreement with sun > some time ago. That is correct. > Or was this only for an older version? No, it was for all versions, although each new version requires approval. > What is the state of this? And can we expect a package in the future? The state is that noone has been able to devote the time and equipment to running the newer JDKs through the test suites which is a prerequisite for releasing a binary. Once someone has the time and equipment to do so a new binary package will be released. > btw, how much does certification cost, and does it have to be payed > every update release? Sun were generous enough to not require a fee, since the FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:29:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08C016A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:29:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A16443D55 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:29:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGTLdq009204; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:29:21 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7NGTKMD009203; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:29:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:29:19 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Carl Makin Message-ID: <20050823162919.GB9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <20050815204817.GA8153@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200508161639.04139.jkim@FreeBSD.org> <430AAE1E.4060009@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <430AAE1E.4060009@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please test the current 1.5 experimental patchset X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:29:23 -0000 On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 03:03:26PM +1000, Carl Makin wrote: > Jung-uk Kim wrote: > > >http://people.freebsd.org/~jkim/jdk15p2-port.tgz > > The experimental patch 2 port built fine except it didn't build the > browser plugin. In looking through the port (and the 1.4 port) I can't > work out how the plugin is supposed to be built. > > Can someone point me in the right direction please? You definitely need something like the following patch. You may also need to set the BROWSER environment variable to either mozilla or firefox. --- Makefile.orig Tue Aug 23 10:27:26 2005 +++ Makefile Tue Aug 23 10:27:35 2005 @@ -89,10 +89,7 @@ CLASSPATH="" \ LD_LIBRARY_PATH="" \ MAKEFLAGS="" \ - SKIP_COMPARE_IMAGES="YES" \ - DONT_BUILD_DOCS="YES" \ - DONT_BUILD_DEPLOY="YES" \ - DONT_BUILD_INSTALL="YES" + SKIP_COMPARE_IMAGES="YES" .if !defined(WITH_IPV6) MAKE_ENV+= DONT_ENABLE_IPV6="YES" .endif -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A333D16A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:31:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085EC43D45 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:31:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGVspw009218; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:31:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7NGVrYp009217; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:31:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:31:53 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Arvind Nahata Message-ID: <20050823163153.GC9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <43059CFB.20407@iang.org> <20050822104353.28119.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050822104353.28119.qmail@web50108.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JRE for FreeBSD 5.4, Monitoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:31:56 -0000 On Mon, Aug 22, 2005 at 03:43:53AM -0700, Arvind Nahata wrote: > Please ignore my ignorance, but can you first tell me > what do you mean by "PORTS" > > I am really confused and am sure it has some different > meaning in the FreeBSD world. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html > Also, where can I find all the posts of > freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org? http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/ These were both easily accessible from the main FreeBSD web site, you might want to try looking there first in future. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 16:43:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7429516A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:43:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@spatula.net) Received: from turing.morons.org (morons.org [64.147.161.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A7443D45 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:43:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@spatula.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.morons.org [127.0.0.1]) by turing.morons.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437B31702B; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from turing.morons.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (turing.morons.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50753-03; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by turing.morons.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A3BAF17025; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by turing.morons.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2EC01701B; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Johnson X-X-Sender: spatula@turing.morons.org To: Greg Lewis In-Reply-To: <20050823162634.GA9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Message-ID: <20050823094145.Y44305@turing.morons.org> References: <20050822054110.GC6627@osiris.chen.org.nz> <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> <20050823162634.GA9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at morons.org Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:43:45 -0000 On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Greg Lewis wrote: > The state is that noone has been able to devote the time and equipment > to running the newer JDKs through the test suites which is a prerequisite > for releasing a binary. Once someone has the time and equipment to do > so a new binary package will be released. What's involved in doing this? I've got some hardware that isn't busy. Are the tests automated? Can you elaborate on what's involved and how I (and/or others) can help? Nick From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 17:00:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C4C16A41F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:00:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8C143D55 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:00:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7NGxwO4009552; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:59:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7NGxvDs009549; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:59:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:59:57 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Nick Johnson Message-ID: <20050823165957.GA9438@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <430989AB.7090200@nefli.nl> <4309D516.6060004@mindspring.com> <4309DFF3.4060702@iang.org> <4309E0A1.3090806@mindspring.com> <4309E4E2.7010600@iang.org> <4309E6A0.9040403@mindspring.com> <20050822145916.GB26047@wjv.com> <4309EB1F.2050109@nefli.nl> <20050823162634.GA9125@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20050823094145.Y44305@turing.morons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050823094145.Y44305@turing.morons.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting with freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:00:03 -0000 On Tue, Aug 23, 2005 at 09:43:47AM -0700, Nick Johnson wrote: > On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Greg Lewis wrote: > > >The state is that noone has been able to devote the time and equipment > >to running the newer JDKs through the test suites which is a prerequisite > >for releasing a binary. Once someone has the time and equipment to do > >so a new binary package will be released. > > What's involved in doing this? I've got some hardware that isn't busy. > Are the tests automated? Can you elaborate on what's involved and how I > (and/or others) can help? You need several machines set up. The exact set up will probably vary by the JDK version. For 1.3 I needed a machine running Solaris, Linux or Windows (i.e., an already approved operating system), another machine running FreeBSD and another multi-homed machine running FreeBSD (one of the network tests required a separate multi-homed machine). There are thousands of tests, so expect this to run for quite a few hours. Most tests are automated, but there were quite a lot of graphical tests which required user interaction (I spent several hours in front of the machine on each run where I did the interactive tests). You also need an NDA in place with the FreeBSD Foundation since the tests aren't publically available. I think Sun might be making them available for 1.5 or 1.6, but I'm not sure. Expect to repeat the testing cycle a few times while you get the set up correct and figure out what caused any errors that are reported. Naturally you will need to build the binary you intend distributing beforehand to run the tests on and rebuild it if it needs any fixes. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 20:08:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14AF16A41F for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:08:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FDEC43D45 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:08:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050825200800.CSAJ3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1> for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:08:00 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:03:59 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Subject: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:08:00 -0000 Hi Two suggestions I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection to include a /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ hierarchy and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing to test eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. Personally I would be in favor of also creating a freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing to help set it up. david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 21:48:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC97216A41F for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A46E43D45 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7PLm5J2046581; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:48:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7PLm4vL046580; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:48:04 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:48:04 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:08 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:03:59PM -0700, Vizion wrote: > Two suggestions > I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection to > include a > /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ > hierarchy > and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing to test > eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. The whole ports sub-categories idea has been discussed numerous times on freebsd-ports. Please read its archives for how these discussions have gone. In short, there is essentially no chance of this happening unless the whole ports tree is changed to allow this, and that proposal has been rejected each time it has been discussed. I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. This isn't aimed specifically at eclipse though, there are a bunch of ports in the java category that shouldn't be (as a main category). > Personally I would be in favor of also creating a freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org > mailing list but I am not certain how much interest there might be. If there > is enough support I would be willing to help set it up. You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a separate mailing list, but I must admit to ignoring most of the eclipse specific messages ;). -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 25 23:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB8916A41F; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com [68.99.120.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16DCC43D45; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050825230411.DABN24491.lakecmmtao06.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:04:11 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:00:10 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:04:13 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2005 14:48, the author Greg Lewis contributed to the dialogue on- Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:03:59PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> Two suggestions >> I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection >> to include a >> /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ >> hierarchy >> and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing to >> test eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. > >The whole ports sub-categories idea has been discussed numerous times >on freebsd-ports. Please read its archives for how these discussions >have gone. In short, there is essentially no chance of this happening >unless the whole ports tree is changed to allow this, and that proposal >has been rejected each time it has been discussed. > >I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from >the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous >that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. This isn't aimed >specifically at eclipse though, there are a bunch of ports in the java >category that shouldn't be (as a main category). OK I agree the current situation is not very clever. How can we go about getting this changed and adding an ports/eclipse. This would give us the opportunity to have ports/eclipse/plugins as a logical structure. Scattering eclipse plugins around the ports collection is a crazy notion. Not having an eclipse plugins drectory is just plain daft. There are now hundreds of eclipse plugins which we need to track. I am currently using 20 of them! > >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing to >> help set it up. > >You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) >can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a >separate mailing list, How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more active in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree is a major deterent. I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd postmaster@freebsd.org ) If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list - but that idea goes against the grain! >but I must admit to ignoring most of the eclipse >specific messages ;). Well I am afraid that far to many people in the freebsd community have done the same thing and that has only resulted in the eclipse community giving a far higher priority and first rate support to the linux community. We are behind the curve on this one and losing developers fast. David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 01:41:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459C416A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:41:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7207E43D79; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:41:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from david@catwhisker.org) Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q1fD9L085665; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@bunrab.catwhisker.org) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7Q1fDew085664; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:41:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:41:13 -0700 From: David Wolfskill To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: postmaster@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:41:27 -0000 [Sorry about cluttering a technical list with administrivia, but it seemed appropriate under the current circumstances. -- postmaster] On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 04:00:10PM -0700, Vizion wrote: > ... > >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a > >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much > >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing to > >> help set it up. > > > >You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) > >can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a > >separate mailing list, > > How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? > Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of > development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more active > in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree is a > major deterent. Regardless of the structure of the ports tree or anything else, my basic criterion for new list creation is this: Would creation of the new list help the FreeBSD project more than retaining the status quo would? If the answer is yes, then I am strongly in favor of cretaing it -- to the point that unless someone in core@ or admin@ tells me not to, I will create the list. However, I have been so far "out of the loop" with respect to "development environments" and the like ... well, no; that's not right: I was never "in the loop." What "development" I do (generally in Perl) is done in multiple xterm windows editing files with vi. So: for folks who have an opinion -- persuade me. No, this isn't a "vote;" I don't care about that. Write to me about what the presence of the new list will do for the FreeBSD project ... for good or for ill. Be honest about it. Note that I set Reply-To on purpose -- there's no need to clutter FreeBSD.org technical mailing lists with opinions about the creation of a mailing list. Chances are, I'll create the list -- I recently created one dedicated to the Proliant line of hardware (of all things). So if you can convince me that Eclipse has a following at least comparable to Proliant hardware, you're probably golden. Remember, the salient criterion is "Overall, does creation of the new list help the FreeBSD project?" > I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just > because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. > Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd > postmaster@freebsd.org ) I noticed. :-} > If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list - > but that idea goes against the grain! Right. I appreciate your restraint. > .... > -- > 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. > English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. > Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after > completing engineroom refit. Heh. Sorry about the need for the refit, but I've tended to have a bit of a "soft spot" for ketches. Not that I've actually sailed one, unfortunately. Peace, david (current hat: postmaster@freebsd.org) -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org Morning is half over at 0600 hours. I like to accomplish something by then. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for public key. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 02:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB9116A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF23B43D46; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050826023441.MXKU2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:34:41 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 19:30:35 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:34:43 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2005 18:41, the author David Wolfskill contributed to the dialogue on- Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: >[Sorry about cluttering a technical list with administrivia, but it >seemed appropriate under the current circumstances. -- postmaster] > >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 04:00:10PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> ... >> >> >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >> >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >> >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing >> >> to help set it up. >> > >> >You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) >> >can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a >> >separate mailing list, >> >> How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? >> Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of >> development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more >> active in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree >> is a major deterent. > >Regardless of the structure of the ports tree or anything else, my basic >criterion for new list creation is this: Would creation of the new list >help the FreeBSD project more than retaining the status quo would? Well I think definitely yes. If you need any proof of its significance for developers of any project I would suggest you take a look at the eclipse site www.eclipse.org and at the links from that site. As to helping the freebsd project a search through the eclipse website on Linux will tell you how much support that community has gained through their involvement of a core of linux deveopers in the eclipse community. > >If the answer is yes, then I am strongly in favor of cretaing it -- to >the point that unless someone in core@ or admin@ tells me not to, I >will create the list. So please will you create the list as quickly as possible and hopefully we can promulgate its presence on the many eclipse forums. > >However, I have been so far "out of the loop" with respect to >"development environments" and the like ... well, no; that's not right: >I was never "in the loop." What "development" I do (generally in Perl) >is done in multiple xterm windows editing files with vi. You might find the eclipse edi in conjunction with the perl and php plugins very very usefuland a tremendous advance on using multiple xterms with vi. The one EDI will control all the development tasks and maintain a development history... very neat. > >So: for folks who have an opinion -- persuade me. No, this isn't a >"vote;" I don't care about that. Write to me about what the presence of >the new list will do for the FreeBSD project ... for good or for ill. >Be honest about it. Eclipse is multi- faceted -- but is developed on a Java platform. However it is out of place in the Freebsd-java mailing list... every plugin needs to be discussed in the context of eclipse as a whole and the various plugins. The absense of a list means that Freebsd users are not able to benefit from the mutually support it can create to ensure freebsd developers are able to use the latest tools -- whether you develop in C of C++, or java, xul, sml, http php, or whatever there is an e clipse tool to help. >Note that I set Reply-To on purpose -- there's no >need to clutter FreeBSD.org technical mailing lists with opinions about >the creation of a mailing list. I have posted this to the freebsd java list but will ask anyone who joins in to delete that from the cc list and add their name to the cc list > >Chances are, I'll create the list -- please do >I recently created one dedicated to >the Proliant line of hardware (of all things). So if you can convince >me that Eclipse has a following at least comparable to Proliant >hardware, you're probably golden. Remember, the salient criterion is >"Overall, does creation of the new list help the FreeBSD project?" > >> I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just >> because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. >> Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd >> postmaster@freebsd.org ) > >I noticed. :-} > >> If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list >> - but that idea goes against the grain! > >Right. I appreciate your restraint. > >> .... >> >> -- >> 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. >> English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V >> Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama >> Canal after completing engineroom refit. > >Heh. Sorry about the need for the refit, but I've tended to have a bit >of a "soft spot" for ketches. Not that I've actually sailed one, >unfortunately. Ah well if you are near San Diego in a couple of months (when the engine is done, I'll be glad to welcome you aboard David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:08:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93B716A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:08:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC0A43D46; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:08:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from peregrin.orthanc.ca (d216-232-211-96.bchsia.telus.net [216.232.211.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q37viA042439 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:08:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peregrin.orthanc.ca (8.13.5.Beta0/8.13.5.Beta0) with ESMTP id j7Q37pi8029890; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:07:49 -0700 To: Vizion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on orthanc.ca Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:08:11 -0000 Eclipse already has quite a range of mailing lists and newsgroups devoted to it (according to the eclipse.org website). What is there specifically related to running Eclipse on FreeBSD that requires the creation of a FREEBSD-eclipse mailing list? --lyndon From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:09:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5813A16A420 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:09:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB12743D53 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:09:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z6so292215nzd for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:09:32 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p0maZy1rdRFN9mHdkdYUcio6eIfM4vRt6WTnjBTCO/AZTu8CPJdDkIPtVoDl2uR5aqsnvArkhG4F+2AXQY1MV07C3FIv05B21l3VtfPCOKltzCV4hoxJbimGHOCpInLf0vzD7DcJTGLXHjju+7dhn3PBwoBmhdOa1QqG+ZEcCP4= Received: by 10.36.43.4 with SMTP id q4mr181098nzq; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.88.8 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:09:32 +0800 From: Jiawei Ye To: Lyndon Nerenberg In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:09:33 -0000 On 8/26/05, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Eclipse already has quite a range of mailing lists and newsgroups > devoted to it (according to the eclipse.org website). What is there > specifically related to running Eclipse on FreeBSD that requires the > creation of a FREEBSD-eclipse mailing list? >=20 > --lyndon Like integrating it with the ports system? Jiawei --=20 "Without the userland, the kernel is useless." --inspired by The Tao of Programming From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:18:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BB516A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3783E43D48 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:18:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B0A242A34; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:52 -0500 To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050826031852.GB25822@soaustin.net> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:18:53 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:03:59PM -0700, Vizion wrote: > I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection > to include a /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ hierarchy and giving commit > priviledges to members of this list who are willing to test eclipse > plugins and add them to the ports. In our current paradigm there is no provision for people being able to commit to only a part of the ports tree. While this is partly due to the way that we have CVS set up, it's also due to the fact that the port dependencies tend to grow in such a fashion that it is very difficult to work with a partial ports tree. That is, there is no restriction on what ports any given port can depend on, and thus the same degree of care needs to be taken in committing any given port (e.g. to keep INDEX from breaking). We have numerous places in the tree where subfunctions of particular popular ports are added and maintained (think mod_* vs apache) and I am a little skeptical that Eclipse is sufficiently different that the basic development paradigm needs to be changed. OTOH, pkgsrc uses a 'work-in- progress' staging area that is similar to what you are asking for. However, pkgsrc-wip also has to be maintained on its own, and then also creates the extra step of moving things from it into their main development tree. There are pluses and minuses. My suggestion would be for you to set up a marcuscom tinderbox for experimentation and see how it goes with that. mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:37:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B2B16A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:37:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813F243D53 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:37:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E7D892AD5; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:37:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:37:43 -0500 To: Greg Lewis Message-ID: <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:37:44 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:48:04PM -0600, Greg Lewis wrote: > I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from > the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous > that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. Speaking as both a portmgr and a bugmeister, I think the java category has been a failure. What happens is that people see a 'java' ports category and then assume that reports about bugs in any Java port should go to the Java GNATS category (rather than 'ports'). In particular, these PRs then get missed by portsmon. As well, as you mention, the java category departs from the existing usage in 'devel' and other places. I think TRT is to move everything out of Java that's not actually a JDK or JRE. And maybe even the things that are :-) What do other people think? mcl From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:41:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA08116A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:41:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0542243D45; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:41:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from peregrin.orthanc.ca (d216-232-211-96.bchsia.telus.net [216.232.211.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3ewES042561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peregrin.orthanc.ca (8.13.5.Beta0/8.13.5.Beta0) with ESMTP id j7Q3eqo2029917; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:40:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:40:51 -0700 To: Jiawei Ye X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on orthanc.ca Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, postmaster@freebsd.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:41:04 -0000 On Aug 25, 2005, at 8:09 PM, Jiawei Ye wrote: > Like integrating it with the ports system? But that's what freebsd-ports is for: Discussions concerning FreeBSD's "ports collection" (/usr/ports), proposed ports, modifications to ports collection infrastructure and general coordination efforts. (taken from http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports). --lyndon From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 03:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276EE16A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:49:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8944343D46 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:49:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from peregrin.orthanc.ca (d216-232-211-96.bchsia.telus.net [216.232.211.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q3mi6w042597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peregrin.orthanc.ca (8.13.5.Beta0/8.13.5.Beta0) with ESMTP id j7Q3mdYC029926; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:48:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A7140EF-24C9-4924-AA06-2D8F0A9A5941@orthanc.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:48:37 -0700 To: Mark Linimon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on orthanc.ca Cc: Vizion , freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:49:06 -0000 > > I think TRT is to move everything out of Java that's not actually a > JDK > or JRE. And maybe even the things that are :-) > > What do other people think? We don't have any other language-specific ports sub-categories, so there's no real reason (that I can see) why Java should be special. Eclipse, netbeans, and the like really belong in devel. jdk* should move to lang, and {linux,sun}-jdk* to emulators. The rest gets more tedious to sort through, but I suspect a lot of it would end up in www. And arguably, we should rename freebsd-java to freebsd-jdk. --lyndon From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 04:55:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B779716A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BEA43D46; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q4thAK020834; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7Q4thqE020830; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 GMT From: Mark Linimon Message-Id: <200508260455.j7Q4thqE020830@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/85300: [update] Update java/eclipse-cdt to version 3.0.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:55:43 -0000 Synopsis: [update] Update java/eclipse-cdt to version 3.0.0 Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-ports-bugs->freebsd-java Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Aug 26 04:55:30 GMT 2005 Responsible-Changed-Why: Over to maintainer(s). http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=85300 From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 05:00:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE44316A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA99B43D49 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q50q1u049071; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7Q50pi4049070; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:51 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:00:51 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:00:55 -0000 On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:37:43PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:48:04PM -0600, Greg Lewis wrote: > > I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from > > the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it ridiculous > > that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. > > Speaking as both a portmgr and a bugmeister, I think the java category > has been a failure. What happens is that people see a 'java' ports > category and then assume that reports about bugs in any Java port should > go to the Java GNATS category (rather than 'ports'). In particular, > these PRs then get missed by portsmon. As well, as you mention, the java > category departs from the existing usage in 'devel' and other places. > > I think TRT is to move everything out of Java that's not actually a JDK > or JRE. And maybe even the things that are :-) > > What do other people think? I essentially agree. Its somewhat persuasive to say that the top level java category can go altogether. No other languages get this special treatment, and its difficult to really make the argument for Java other than inertia and the fact that the devel category is already huge. At the very least, there are many ports in the category that can obviously be moved -- basically everything that is only in the category because its written in Java. Other ports which are related to the JVM or directly to the Java language I could see staying if the category remains (e.g. openjit, jmp, jikes, sablevm, jdk15-doc, etc.). Obviously the JDK/JRE ports stay if the category stays. Maybe moving all the low hanging fruit (the ones which are only there because they are written in Java) would be a good first step? -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 05:23:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B3C16A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:23:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1F943D48 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:23:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from peregrin.orthanc.ca (d216-232-211-96.bchsia.telus.net [216.232.211.96]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7Q5Nicj043016 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:23:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peregrin.orthanc.ca (8.13.5.Beta0/8.13.5.Beta0) with ESMTP id j7Q5Nc7x000114; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:23:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050825214804.GA46517@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:23:37 -0700 To: Greg Lewis X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on orthanc.ca Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: ports/java cleanup/re-org (was: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list) X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:23:57 -0000 On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Greg Lewis wrote: > and the fact that the devel category is already huge. Devel is ripe for splitting ala the x11-* categories. And I suspect a not insubstantial portion of devel could be moved elsewhere (e.g. devel/mime -> mail/mime). And this whole thread should be moved to the ports list. Please note the reply-to. --lyndon From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 07:51:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A494216A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.staals@zonnet.nl) Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl (smtp2.versatel.nl [62.58.50.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51D743D46 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from f.staals@zonnet.nl) Received: (qmail 3305 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 2005 07:51:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.2.5]) ([62.59.173.176]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 26 Aug 2005 07:51:16 -0000 Message-ID: <430ECA0D.3080309@zonnet.nl> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:51:41 +0200 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050521) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vizion References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:51:19 -0000 Vizion wrote: >Hi >Two suggestions >I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports collection to >include a >/ports/java/eclipseplugins/ >hierarchy >and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing to test >eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. > >Personally I would be in favor of also creating a freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org >mailing list but I am not certain how much interest there might be. If there >is enough support I would be willing to help set it up. > >david > > Hey, As I replied before here on freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org on such thread, I don't see why we should create a seperate 'category' with eclipse-plugins since the 'find updates' function in Eclipse 3.1 does everything for you. Eclipse 3.1 can currently be found in the ports tree as eclipse-devel ( it has to be patched from 3.1M7 --> 3.1 if it hasn't changed ). Therefor I don't see the need of seperate eclipse-plugins in the portstree. What would be nice was a complete list of plugins available for eclipse, but that is more for the Eclipse.org site to be added, not FreeBSD specific. About the mailinglist. I'm currently following the java lists for about half a year now and I can't realy say my mailbox is flooding with e-mails from it. So I think it would'nt benefit anyone creating a seperate mailinglist for eclipse. -Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 08:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED31616A41F; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:46:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33EB43D48; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:46:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7Q8kmID082610; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:46:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.163] (pc163.ebs.gr [10.1.1.163]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7Q8kns5087681; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:46:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <430ED6F5.4050807@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:46:45 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vizion References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508251600.10748.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826014113.GQ26920@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200508251930.36469.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:46:54 -0000 Vizion wrote: > On Thursday 25 August 2005 18:41, the author David Wolfskill contributed to > the dialogue on- > Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: > > >>[Sorry about cluttering a technical list with administrivia, but it >>seemed appropriate under the current circumstances. -- postmaster] >> >>On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 04:00:10PM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> >>>... >>> >>> >>>>>Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >>>>>freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >>>>>interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing >>>>>to help set it up. >>>> >>>>You may be willing to help set it up, but only the FreeBSD postmaster(s) >>>>can actually do so :). I personally don't see enough interest for a >>>>separate mailing list, >>> >>>How can we find if there is enough interest without creating the list? >>>Eclipse is now a very serious EDI which is suitable for all kinds of >>>development. Frankly I am dissappointed that freebsd has not been more >>>active in the eclipse field. The lack of plugin support in the ports tree >>>is a major deterent. >> >>Regardless of the structure of the ports tree or anything else, my basic >>criterion for new list creation is this: Would creation of the new list >>help the FreeBSD project more than retaining the status quo would? > > > Well I think definitely yes. If you need any proof of its significance for > developers of any project I would suggest you take a look at the eclipse site > www.eclipse.org and at the links from that site. As to helping the freebsd > project a search through the eclipse website on Linux will tell you how much > support that community has gained through their involvement of a core of > linux deveopers in the eclipse community. > > >>If the answer is yes, then I am strongly in favor of cretaing it -- to >>the point that unless someone in core@ or admin@ tells me not to, I >>will create the list. > > > So please will you create the list as quickly as possible and hopefully we can > promulgate its presence on the many eclipse forums. > >>However, I have been so far "out of the loop" with respect to >>"development environments" and the like ... well, no; that's not right: >>I was never "in the loop." What "development" I do (generally in Perl) >>is done in multiple xterm windows editing files with vi. > > > You might find the eclipse edi in conjunction with the perl and php plugins > very very usefuland a tremendous advance on using multiple xterms with vi. > The one EDI will control all the development tasks and maintain a development > history... very neat. > >>So: for folks who have an opinion -- persuade me. No, this isn't a >>"vote;" I don't care about that. Write to me about what the presence of >>the new list will do for the FreeBSD project ... for good or for ill. >>Be honest about it. > > > Eclipse is multi- faceted -- but is developed on a Java platform. However it > is out of place in the Freebsd-java mailing list... every plugin needs to be > discussed in the context of eclipse as a whole and the various plugins. The > absense of a list means that Freebsd users are not able to benefit from the > mutually support it can create to ensure freebsd developers are able to use > the latest tools -- whether you develop in C of C++, or java, xul, sml, http > php, or whatever there is an e clipse tool to help. > > >>Note that I set Reply-To on purpose -- there's no >>need to clutter FreeBSD.org technical mailing lists with opinions about >>the creation of a mailing list. > > > I have posted this to the freebsd java list but will ask anyone who joins in > to delete that from the cc list and add their name to the cc list > >>Chances are, I'll create the list -- > > > please do > >>I recently created one dedicated to >>the Proliant line of hardware (of all things). So if you can convince >>me that Eclipse has a following at least comparable to Proliant >>hardware, you're probably golden. Remember, the salient criterion is >>"Overall, does creation of the new list help the FreeBSD project?" >> >> >>>I know a number of developers who have moved from freebsd to linux just >>>because freebsd has not kept up with this very powerful EDI. >>>Who should I email to request a new list? ( I have cc'd >>>postmaster@freebsd.org ) >> >>I noticed. :-} >> >> >>>If there is no hope then I suppose I could start an independent mail list >>>- but that idea goes against the grain! >> >>Right. I appreciate your restraint. >> >> >>>.... >>> >>>-- >>>40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. >>>English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V >>>Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama >>>Canal after completing engineroom refit. >> >>Heh. Sorry about the need for the refit, but I've tended to have a bit >>of a "soft spot" for ketches. Not that I've actually sailed one, >>unfortunately. > > > Ah well if you are near San Diego in a couple of months (when the engine is > done, I'll be glad to welcome you aboard > > David I understand and sympathize with what you are trying to achieve, but I believe you are barking on the wrong tree here. Eclipse on FreeBSD has been in a rather good shape for at least the last two years that I have been using it: - The IDE port gets updated a few days or weeks after the official release. - The various milestone releases from the development version are usually ported as well. - Many different plugins exist in the ports tree for Eclipse. I also believe that people do get help when posting to freebsd-java about eclipse and I'll make sure the same thing happens on freebsd-ports. There are some things that could be improved however, like: - Faster response to open PRs. - More people working on porting the platform or the plugins. - Official support from the eclipse.org site. The first two are not going to be improved by a new mailing list, since a mailing list by itself does not spark new interest on a topic. I'm afraid that they may be harmed instead, since there might not be many (or any at all) subscribers to that list that are also ports committers. The way things usually work in FreeBSD-land for contributors without a commit bit, is that you submit an improvement, try to get the attention of a committer and then work with him through any details. The committer attention is not something you get very easily, especially if you consider how many lists these people are usually subscribed to. Don't get me wrong, I will subscribe if such a list is created, but I fail to see the need for it. Check out the archives of freebsd-apache, freebsd-rc, freebsd-python and freebsd-perl for examples on the nature and the amount of postings I expect we will get. Do we need a new list for such an amount of e-mails? Regards, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 08:50:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8711E16A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D059D43D5E for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:50:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7Q8omID082628; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:50:48 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.163] (pc163.ebs.gr [10.1.1.163]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7Q8ooYh087720; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:50:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <430ED7E5.6060600@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:50:45 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Staals References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <430ECA0D.3080309@zonnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <430ECA0D.3080309@zonnet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org, Vizion Subject: Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:50:53 -0000 Frank Staals wrote: > Vizion wrote: > >> Hi >> Two suggestions >> I am wondering if there is any mileage in modifying the ports >> collection to include a >> /ports/java/eclipseplugins/ hierarchy >> and giving commit priviledges to members of this list who are willing >> to test eclipse plugins and add them to the ports. >> >> Personally I would be in favor of also creating a >> freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list but I am not certain how much >> interest there might be. If there is enough support I would be willing >> to help set it up. >> >> david >> >> > Hey, > > As I replied before here on freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org on such thread, I > don't see why we should create a seperate 'category' with > eclipse-plugins since the 'find updates' function in Eclipse 3.1 does > everything for you. Eclipse 3.1 can currently be found in the ports tree > as eclipse-devel ( it has to be patched from 3.1M7 --> 3.1 if it hasn't > changed ). Therefor I don't see the need of seperate eclipse-plugins in > the portstree. What would be nice was a complete list of plugins > available for eclipse, but that is more for the Eclipse.org site to be > added, not FreeBSD specific. Actually java/eclipse-devel has been marked as IGNORE and java/eclipse contains the 3.1 version as of some weeks ago. > About the mailinglist. I'm currently following the java lists for about > half a year now and I can't realy say my mailbox is flooding with > e-mails from it. So I think it would'nt benefit anyone creating a > seperate mailinglist for eclipse. > > -Frank Staals Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 08:55:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E9216A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:55:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCD343D46 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:55:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7Q8tgID082650 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:55:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.163] (pc163.ebs.gr [10.1.1.163]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7Q8tild087788 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:55:45 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Message-ID: <430ED90C.80505@ebs.gr> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:55:40 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050816) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Vote for an official Eclipse for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:55:45 -0000 If you would like to increase the likelihood of a freebsd-specific package on eclipse.org, cast a vote on bug 89315 in the eclipse site. You have to create an account to do so, check out their bugzilla: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/ Cheers, Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 09:30:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D25316A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:30:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msidnin@gmail.com) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC73243D45 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:30:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from msidnin@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so210019wra for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:30:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type; b=USfvLGNrAJ+RMxozFCXP9+IZf+af1POFkrzclrU9OxTODCXCL8wYTmNXapu1t2QnK32QOp7gvnXB2Lf4IYzhl3bcAM68UJH2/33yliUu9SPI7wnfoiN97qCFgVH4Y5b027MS0pPbtiq2p+zbEvP3MDTRCPMdByFmJV8RVoZpgIs= Received: by 10.54.24.13 with SMTP id 13mr3034149wrx; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.0.2? ( [213.179.234.94]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 65sm3159013wra.2005.08.26.02.30.20; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <430F0B4A.70201@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:30:02 +0000 From: Maxim Sidnin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050819) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030704050804070006060501" Cc: Subject: Bug report: Charset.availableCharsets() -> Null Pointer X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:30:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030704050804070006060501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have a bug with jdk 1.5.0 When some application try to work with available charsets - throws NullPointerException There are source code, bytecode and output-log as atachments. Additional info: 1) About system --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > uname -a FreeBSD msidnin.localnet 5.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE #0: Wed Aug 17 18:26:06 UTC 2005 root@msidnin.localnet:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/BABYLON i386 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) About JDK --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > {$JAVA_HOME}/bin/java -version java version "1.5.0-p1" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0-p1-root_16_aug_2005_18_25) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0-p1-root_16_aug_2005_18_25, mixed mode) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) Also in system present jdk1.4.2 4) > SET ... JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.5.0 JDK_HOME=/usr/local/jdk1.5.0 ... --------------030704050804070006060501 Content-Type: text/plain; name="output.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="output.txt" root@/usr/sidnin/learning/charsets/classes#java ResearchCharsets START Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException at java.nio.charset.Charset.put(Charset.java:493) at java.nio.charset.Charset.access$300(Charset.java:240) at java.nio.charset.Charset$4.run(Charset.java:529) at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method) at java.nio.charset.Charset.availableCharsets(Charset.java:525) at ResearchCharsets.main(ResearchCharsets.java:16) root@/usr/sidnin/learning/charsets/classes# --------------030704050804070006060501 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="ResearchCharsets.class" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ResearchCharsets.class" yv66vgAAADEAUQoAFAAdCQAeAB8IACAKACEAIgoAIwAkCwAlACYLACcAKAsAKQAqCwApACsH ACwHAC0KAAsAHQoACwAuCAAvCwAlADAKAAsAMQoACwAyCAAzBwA0BwA1AQAGPGluaXQ+AQAD KClWAQAEQ29kZQEAD0xpbmVOdW1iZXJUYWJsZQEABG1haW4BABYoW0xqYXZhL2xhbmcvU3Ry aW5nOylWAQAKU291cmNlRmlsZQEAFVJlc2VhcmNoQ2hhcnNldHMuamF2YQwAFQAWBwA2DAA3 ADgBAAVTVEFSVAcAOQwAOgA7BwA8DAA9AD4HAD8MAEAAQQcAQgwAQwBEBwBFDABGAEcMAEgA SQEAEGphdmEvbGFuZy9TdHJpbmcBABdqYXZhL2xhbmcvU3RyaW5nQnVpbGRlcgwASgBLAQAB PQwATABNDABKAE4MAE8AUAEABkZJTklTSAEAEFJlc2VhcmNoQ2hhcnNldHMBABBqYXZhL2xh bmcvT2JqZWN0AQAQamF2YS9sYW5nL1N5c3RlbQEAA291dAEAFUxqYXZhL2lvL1ByaW50U3Ry ZWFtOwEAE2phdmEvaW8vUHJpbnRTdHJlYW0BAAdwcmludGxuAQAVKExqYXZhL2xhbmcvU3Ry aW5nOylWAQAYamF2YS9uaW8vY2hhcnNldC9DaGFyc2V0AQARYXZhaWxhYmxlQ2hhcnNldHMB ABcoKUxqYXZhL3V0aWwvU29ydGVkTWFwOwEAE2phdmEvdXRpbC9Tb3J0ZWRNYXABAAZrZXlT ZXQBABEoKUxqYXZhL3V0aWwvU2V0OwEADWphdmEvdXRpbC9TZXQBAAhpdGVyYXRvcgEAFigp TGphdmEvdXRpbC9JdGVyYXRvcjsBABJqYXZhL3V0aWwvSXRlcmF0b3IBAAdoYXNOZXh0AQAD KClaAQAEbmV4dAEAFCgpTGphdmEvbGFuZy9PYmplY3Q7AQAGYXBwZW5kAQAtKExqYXZhL2xh bmcvU3RyaW5nOylMamF2YS9sYW5nL1N0cmluZ0J1aWxkZXI7AQADZ2V0AQAmKExqYXZhL2xh bmcvT2JqZWN0OylMamF2YS9sYW5nL09iamVjdDsBAC0oTGphdmEvbGFuZy9PYmplY3Q7KUxq YXZhL2xhbmcvU3RyaW5nQnVpbGRlcjsBAAh0b1N0cmluZwEAFCgpTGphdmEvbGFuZy9TdHJp bmc7ACEAEwAUAAAAAAACAAEAFQAWAAEAFwAAAB0AAQABAAAABSq3AAGxAAAAAQAYAAAABgAB AAAABQAJABkAGgABABcAAACKAAQABAAAAFqyAAISA7YABLgABUwruQAGAQC5AAcBAE0suQAI AQCZADMsuQAJAQDAAApOsgACuwALWbcADC22AA0SDrYADSstuQAPAgC2ABC2ABG2AASn/8qy AAISErYABLEAAAABABgAAAAeAAcAAAAIAAgACQAMAAoAKwALAE4ADABRAA0AWQAOAAEAGwAA AAIAHA== --------------030704050804070006060501 Content-Type: text/plain; name="ResearchCharsets.java" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ResearchCharsets.java" import java.nio.charset.Charset; import java.util.SortedMap; public class ResearchCharsets { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("START"); SortedMap charsets = Charset.availableCharsets(); for (String name : charsets.keySet()) { System.out.println(name + "=" + charsets.get(name)); } System.out.println("FINISH"); } } --------------030704050804070006060501-- From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 14:05:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1998416A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:05:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: from web50105.mail.yahoo.com (web50105.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D98A43D45 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:05:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9058 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 14:05:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=brMaGIxE74dvkmPx3aMM9kMr+WevYKrq7xoOqJ2JGjD5C+x9GnI5vlK11Y+zG+74vuzo/Jk8tE8vlMw0VPJtF5rec81srvcEenTzfaOdassJei2k5IyatXPHhCCwz7nmYBhGqHqkHYo0cSgaPVI1WWyTWUvDV6bCiFXY2dc5lao= ; Message-ID: <20050826140532.9056.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.200.51.98] by web50105.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:05:32 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:05:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Arvind Nahata To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050819161311.GA60629@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Arvind Nahata Subject: Re: JRE for FreeBSD 5.4, Monitoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:05:34 -0000 Greg, I was looking up the http://www.freebsd.org/java/ page and it says - "The current release of the JDK and JRE available via the FreeBSD Foundation is 1.3.1. These binaries have been tested and certified to run with FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE, but may also work on other 4.X releases. These binaries are not intended for use with FreeBSD 5.X, due to a binary compatibility issue the FreeBSD Foundation is working with the FreeBSD release engineering team to resolve." The above is why I had my doubts about a reliable JRE for FreeBSD 5.4. But now that you proposed to use jdk ports 1.4 or 1.5, I will go ahead and try it out. Thanks for your response! Thanks! --- Greg Lewis wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2005 at 12:16:29AM -0700, Arvind > Nahata wrote: > > I am looking at developing system level monitors > such > > as System CPU, Memory, FileSystem, Disk, TCP, > Process > > etc for FreeBSD 5.4 using Java and JNI, if needed. > > > > > I have a couple of queries regarding this: > > 1. Is it possible to monitor FreeBSD 5.4 using > Java + > > JNI? > > I don't see any reason why you can't do this. In my > day job we do this for > Linux, and there is no reason it couldn't be done > for FreeBSD (albeit using > a different strategy). > > > 2. Is there a reliable JRE available for FreeBSD > 5.4? > > Yes, try one of the jdk* ports. I'd suggest jdk14 > or jdk15. > > -- > Greg Lewis Email : > glewis@eyesbeyond.com > Eyes Beyond Web : > http://www.eyesbeyond.com > Information Technology FreeBSD : > glewis@FreeBSD.org > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 14:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B223116A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:11:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: from web50101.mail.yahoo.com (web50101.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4278F43D48 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:11:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arvindnahata@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83019 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Aug 2005 14:11:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OnZyO0x8szKza8T/kh8q37H+IVfdICzdIw53Z5wrqjm+E43Xhnx9xP9jPF2SHMPUEzGz0LdsDyURvdXg7ezBRAFhH+LnXURo4FifTKDNg07jK0fHD6wCT6iOXFjefJicaqt9tSf8CZTVg/e1lpl4LlYYCG9DUV18hsr066gH1EM= ; Message-ID: <20050826141126.83015.qmail@web50101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.200.51.98] by web50101.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:26 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Arvind Nahata To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4309B268.5010405@iang.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Arvind Nahata Subject: Re: JRE for FreeBSD 5.4, Monitoring FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:11:27 -0000 Thanks again for extending the help folks! I am clear with the concepts of Ports and packages now. I am not in a hunt for the system calls I need to know in order to collect CPU, Memory and other system information. Any inputs on this will also be of great help. Thanks! --- Ian G wrote: > Arvind Nahata wrote: > > Many thanks to Ian G, Greg Lewis, and Ronald Klop > for > > their responses! > > > > Please ignore my ignorance, but can you first tell > me > > what do you mean by "PORTS" > > > > I am really confused and am sure it has some > different > > meaning in the FreeBSD world. > > > Yes, it's really confusing. Packages are like > RPMs where you download the whole thing in a big > compiled archive. > > Ports is a different system where you compiled > and download the source. The system lives in a > directory called /usr/ports. In there are about > 100 categories, and in each category directory > are about 100 porducts. Each product has a > Makefile and other files to support downloading > compile and install. > > It's mostly driven by portupgrade(1) these days, > but there are a bunch of commands you have to > execute and know when they apply - it's a bit > of a mess because there isn't a unifying document > that shows which other commands are needed AFAIK. > I can send you a crib sheet on that. > > Also, you have to make a sort of decision as to > whether you are running packages philosophy or > ports philosophy. They do live together sometimes > but not always. For your purposes - Java - you > will need to live as ports. > > The good news is that ports does seem pretty > robust when you know and follow the commands. > It's not nearly as bad as "linux upgrade hell." > > (Ports inspired Gentoo IIRC.) > > All IMHO... > > > Also, where can I find all the posts of > > freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org? > > iang > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:04:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E56816A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:04:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA3643D45 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:04:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050826180450.BWYX2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:04:50 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:00:47 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508261100.47550.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: David Wolfskill Subject: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vizion List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:04:52 -0000 On Thursday 25 August 2005 22:00, the author Greg Lewis contributed to the dialogue on what was originally Re: freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list: but now Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] >On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 10:37:43PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 03:48:04PM -0600, Greg Lewis wrote: >> > I'd personally like to see eclipse and all of its plugins removed from >> > the java category and placed into devel. For example, I find it >> > ridiculous that the phpeclipse port is in the Java category. >> >> Speaking as both a portmgr and a bugmeister, I think the java category >> has been a failure. What happens is that people see a 'java' ports >> category and then assume that reports about bugs in any Java port should >> go to the Java GNATS category (rather than 'ports'). In particular, >> these PRs then get missed by portsmon. As well, as you mention, the java >> category departs from the existing usage in 'devel' and other places. >> >> I think TRT is to move everything out of Java that's not actually a JDK >> or JRE. And maybe even the things that are :-) >> >> What do other people think? > >I essentially agree. Its somewhat persuasive to say that the top level >java category can go altogether. No other languages get this special >treatment, and its difficult to really make the argument for Java other >than inertia and the fact that the devel category is already huge. At >the very least, there are many ports in the category that can obviously >be moved -- basically everything that is only in the category because >its written in Java. Other ports which are related to the JVM or directly >to the Java language I could see staying if the category remains (e.g. >openjit, jmp, jikes, sablevm, jdk15-doc, etc.). Obviously the JDK/JRE >ports stay if the category stays. > >Maybe moving all the low hanging fruit (the ones which are only there >because they are written in Java) would be a good first step? I am inclined to agree that eclipse does not "belong" in ports/java. Neither does iit belong in "devel" or "languages". In view of the huge number of eclipse plugins and, nore importantly, the mushrooming significance of eclipse, to everyone including the freebsd community, I would like to suggest we have /ports/eclipse. Here are my basic reasons: 1. The huge range of significant plugins (392 last count) which are dependent upon the the eclipse IDE. In my view, and for the good of the platform, we need to make these available to freebsd users in a form that fits into the freebsd ports collection. If that means changes to the ports collection schema I see no objection. The long term interest of the platform is much more significant thn the current ports collection schema. Here are the major categories and the number of plugins within each category: Application Management (8) Application Server (9) Code Management (20) Database (24) Deployment (5) Documentation (8) Editor (30) Entertainment (6) Graphics (3) IDE (21) J2EE Development Platform (15) J2ME (4) Languages (19) Modeling (14) Network (4) Other (14) Profiling (7) Rich Client Applications (7) SCM (2) Source Code Analyzer (16) Team Development (20) Testing (23) Tools (57) UI (14) UML (11) Web (21) Web Services (10) XML (10) 2. That in line with current development and application thinking the implications and practice of the eclipse EDI framework cuts right across the current heirarchical divisions of the freebsd port tree which was itself created when the application and development environment was founded on an entirely different set of system and application constraints. 3. We are living in a different era and the traditional divisions do not apply to the eclipse framework. Can we not, as a platform, welcome that change by making appropriate changes to our ports schema? 4. As you can see by examining Eclipse and by careful study of eclipse and eclipse related websites it is not just an EDI it is also a multi application framework so it does not "belong" in anything other than its own place in the ports tree. 5. I can see great potential for a number of freebsd specific eclipse plugins (including a combined freebsd system management and help tool providing an integrated and automated sysadmin functionalities). 6. If we do not grasp the opportunity we now have to make the changes needed to accomodate eclipse and any similar generic combined Application/EDI frameworks then freebsd will suffer. It will certainly not be harmed by taking the steps necessary to incorporate into its ports collection. 7. There are substantial advantages when managing an eclipse development environment on the freebsd platform to having the plugins installed from the ports tree rather than via individual user accounts which could lead to individual team members loading different versions of plugins into their own user workspace. We need to have the plugins organized in the ports tree. That means 392 plugins - There can be no doubt that eclipse needs its own place in the freebsd ports hierarchy as well as its own mailing list for the good of the freebsd community. The combination of these two initiatives may attract new devotees to freebsd and cannot do us any harm. I do not believe we will act responsibly by leaving things as they are or failing to grasp the new opportunities. david david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 18:50:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1AC16A421 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BAC43D53 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QIoKqd026088 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:21 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j7QIoKcR026087; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:20 GMT Message-Id: <200508261850.j7QIoKcR026087@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-java@FreeBSD.org From: Panagiotis Astithas Cc: Subject: Re: ports/72014: Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it has been built with GTK X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Panagiotis Astithas List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 18:50:21 -0000 The following reply was made to PR ports/72014; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Panagiotis Astithas To: bug-followup@FreeBSD.org, nlsn@free.fr Cc: Subject: Re: ports/72014: Eclipse doesn't work (SigBus 10) if it has been built with GTK Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:40:26 +0300 It seems that this behavior is similar to the one mentioned in the eclipse bugzilla (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs) item #79618. This bug report contains two more references to gcc bug reports: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10395 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=21973 Their theory is that the bug "may be caused by the Sun VM not aligning its stack when calling into JNI code". They also mention that compiling gtk libraries with -mno-sse2 seemed to help. Perhaps the reporters of this bug could prove or disprove this theory for our case. Panagiotis From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 20:37:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5112016A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:37:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (glewis.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.56.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A0E43D49 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: from misty.eyesbeyond.com (localhost.eyesbeyond.com [127.0.0.1]) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7QKbcMe058775; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:37:38 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) Received: (from glewis@localhost) by misty.eyesbeyond.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j7QKbba9058774; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:37:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from glewis@eyesbeyond.com) X-Authentication-Warning: misty.eyesbeyond.com: glewis set sender to glewis@eyesbeyond.com using -f Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:37:37 -0600 From: Greg Lewis To: Vizion Message-ID: <20050826203737.GA58620@misty.eyesbeyond.com> References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826033743.GC25822@soaustin.net> <20050826050051.GA49001@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <200508261100.47550.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200508261100.47550.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:37:41 -0000 On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 11:00:47AM -0700, Vizion wrote: > I am inclined to agree that eclipse does not "belong" in ports/java. Neither > does iit belong in "devel" or "languages". I think you mean "lang" for the latter category, correct? It certainly doesn't belong there since its not a programming language. It does seem to very much belong in devel though, at least based on the Eclipse web site. Here is the first sentence I read on http://www.eclipse.org: "Eclipse is an open source community whose projects are focused on providing an extensible development platform and application frameworks for building software." Sounds like a perfect fit for the devel category. Whether each individual plugin should be in devel is a separate discussion. For example, phpeclipse probably does belong there, eclipse-viplugin probably belongs in editors. > In view of the huge number of eclipse plugins and, nore importantly, the > mushrooming significance of eclipse, to everyone including the freebsd > community, I would like to suggest we have /ports/eclipse. Here are my basic > reasons: > > 1. The huge range of significant plugins (392 last count) which are dependent > upon the the eclipse IDE. In my view, and for the good of the platform, we > need to make these available to freebsd users in a form that fits into the > freebsd ports collection. I'm not sure how thats an argument for creating a non-virtual eclipse category. Would you care to explain? > If that means changes to the ports collection schema I see no objection. The > long term interest of the platform is much more significant thn the current > ports collection schema. I think you'll see multiple objections actually :) > Here are the major categories and the number of plugins within each category: [snip] Ok, so there are a significant minority of plugins that may not go into devel, how is this a problem? > 2. That in line with current development and application thinking the > implications and practice of the eclipse EDI framework cuts right across the > current heirarchical divisions of the freebsd port tree which was itself > created when the application and development environment was founded on an > entirely different set of system and application constraints. Your initial point here would suggest that creating a virtual "eclipse" category should be considered. This is something that has been done before, so it wouldn't be outside of the status quo. > 3. We are living in a different era and the traditional divisions do not > apply to the eclipse framework. Can we not, as a platform, welcome that > change by making appropriate changes to our ports schema? See my previous comment. This is what virtual categories are for. > 4. As you can see by examining Eclipse and by careful study of eclipse and > eclipse related websites it is not just an EDI it is also a multi application > framework so it does not "belong" in anything other than its own place in the > ports tree. I don't quite follow the logic I'm sorry. Development environments belong in the "devel" category. Multi-application frameworks belong in the "devel" category. How does something which is both not belong there? > 5. I can see great potential for a number of freebsd specific eclipse plugins > (including a combined freebsd system management and help tool providing an > integrated and automated sysadmin functionalities). Vapourware is never a good argument for anything. > 6. If we do not grasp the opportunity we now have to make the changes needed > to accomodate eclipse and any similar generic combined Application/EDI > frameworks then freebsd will suffer. It will certainly not be harmed by > taking the steps necessary to incorporate into its ports collection. I disagree. We need no changes to accomodate eclipse -- its currently accomodated, albeit in a suboptimal fashion. I have suggested it be moved to a more appropriate category and conceded there _may_ (I'm not yet convinced) be a case for creating a virtual category for it. I believe that course of action would be more than sufficient. > 7. There are substantial advantages when managing an eclipse development > environment on the freebsd platform to having the plugins installed from the > ports tree rather than via individual user accounts which could lead to > individual team members loading different versions of plugins into their own > user workspace. We need to have the plugins organized in the ports tree. That > means 392 plugins - There can be no doubt that eclipse needs its own place in > the freebsd ports hierarchy as well as its own mailing list for the good of > the freebsd community. The combination of these two initiatives may attract > new devotees to freebsd and cannot do us any harm. I do not believe we will > act responsibly by leaving things as they are or failing to grasp the new > opportunities. Here is the problem. The figure of 392 plugins and the unspecified harm that will befall FreeBSD if we don't do something for eclipse is being used to propose a reorganisation of the ports tree. The reality is that we're talking about eclipse and about 20 plugin ports, out of a total of 13,000+ ports. I'm sorry, but the reality of the level of interest in eclipse amongst the FreeBSD community doesn't seem to match with the magnitude of the change you are suggesting. Please, by all means, build up that level of interest. Get some people together like the Gnome and KDE groups. Get some more plugins submitted as PRs and get them committed. Then when you've got some runs on the board start proposing eclipse as a virtual category. -- Greg Lewis Email : glewis@eyesbeyond.com Eyes Beyond Web : http://www.eyesbeyond.com Information Technology FreeBSD : glewis@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 26 20:59:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933CB16A41F for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:59:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7DF43D45 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:59:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.3) id j7QKxAxr045290; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:59:10 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:59:10 -0500 From: Dan Nelson To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Message-ID: <20050826205909.GA15820@dan.emsphone.com> References: <43062A01.5000208@phreaker.net> <20050821125806.4b06a022@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050821125806.4b06a022@it.buh.tecnik93.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: goatse@phreaker.net, freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: is azureus finally okay? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:59:16 -0000 In the last episode (Aug 21), Ion-Mihai Tetcu said: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:50:41 +0200 anon wrote: > > I have used many bittorrent programs, Currently im using bittornado > > after using rtorrent (great program but crashing all the time) But > > Bittornado doesnt relly have all the good functions like a torrent > > queue for example... > > > > Anyway I have had freeBSD 5.3 and my runnings with azureus have > > always been troublesome, because azureus+freeBSD arent the best > > friends... last time I tried with 2.2.0.0 and jdk-14 it didnt work, > > only time it worked was when I tried an CVS nightbuild, with an old > > azureus version, like 1.4 ... but that crashed once in a while > > too... > > > > So im just wondering 1) is azureus, latest version from ports > > finally hassle/bug/crash free? and therefore 1 b) is jdk 1.5 > > finally working and okay? not just beta, or that I have to use > > linux 1.5 java > > Right now azureus won't compile because of the new eclipse version. I'm not sure why azureus requires eclipse at all. I have a homemade port at http://dan.allantgroup.com/FreeBSD/swt-dan.tar.gz that builds a standalone libswt, and I just use the jar file provided on the azureus web site. There are no source patches in the current azureus port, so it doesn't really make any sense to have to recompile it. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 00:24:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E2B16A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:24:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com [68.99.120.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7DBE43D48 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:24:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050827002434.UGLV2425.lakecmmtao05.coxmail.com@dns1>; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:24:34 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200508251303.59453.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <200508261100.47550.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> <20050826203737.GA58620@misty.eyesbeyond.com> In-Reply-To: <20050826203737.GA58620@misty.eyesbeyond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:20:38 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200508261720.38517.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list] X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:24:37 -0000 On Friday 26 August 2005 13:37, the author Greg Lewis contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Eclipse as part of the ports/java tree? [Was freebsd eclipse plugins & mailing list]: >On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 11:00:47AM -0700, Vizion wrote: >> I am inclined to agree that eclipse does not "belong" in ports/java. >> Neither does iit belong in "devel" or "languages". > >I think you mean "lang" for the latter category, correct? It certainly >doesn't belong there since its not a programming language. It does seem >to very much belong in devel though, at least based on the Eclipse web >site. > >Here is the first sentence I read on http://www.eclipse.org: > >"Eclipse is an open source community whose projects are focused on > providing an extensible development platform and application frameworks > for building software." > >Sounds like a perfect fit for the devel category. While your observation is correct I believe your deduction misses the significance of eclipse because you are confusing two things. 1. The actual development of the eclipse IDE and application frameworks which is essentially part of the eclipse.org strategic and development plan. 2. The client rich applications and client rich tools which have been built by the eclipse community using the eclipse framework. You mention the first category to support of your argument but that argument ignores the far greater impact that the second category. The development of eclipse tools and client rich applications is not the focus of my proposals. That role properly lies within the eclipse community. I would argue that we need to concentrate on the second category which offers major benefits for the freebsd community. We need to do that by facilititating access by the freebsd community to the client rich applications and client rich tools which have been produced by the eclipse community. >Whether each individual >plugin should be in devel is a separate discussion. For example, >phpeclipse probably does belong there, eclipse-viplugin probably belongs >in editors. There is a conceptual flaw in this perception. A plugin is not an editor. The phpeclipse plugin enables eclipss to be far more than an editor -- By using phpeclipse plugin eclipse becomes a complete development and testing environment for all the tools used by a developer using php. However even this view provides a simplistic notion about the role of eclipse and encourages me to further disagreement with your conclusions. While some plugins have very specific naming and appear to be strongly focused (e.g. phpeclipse) the real power of eclipse comes from the ability to combine the use of multiple plugins and perspectives which then become highly flexible tools and provide the tools for generating and operating client rich applications. > >> In view of the huge number of eclipse plugins and, nore importantly, the >> mushrooming significance of eclipse, to everyone including the freebsd >> community, I would like to suggest we have /ports/eclipse. Here are my >> basic reasons: >> >> 1. The huge range of significant plugins (392 last count) which are >> dependent upon the the eclipse IDE. In my view, and for the good of the >> platform, we need to make these available to freebsd users in a form that >> fits into the freebsd ports collection. > >I'm not sure how thats an argument for creating a non-virtual eclipse >category. Would you care to explain? To hell with the pedantic label -- call it what you like - virtual or non-virtual what matters is the reality of access and support to the freebsd community that comes from the way in which we organize our files and install the client rich applications and tools. here is what I think would work: ports/eclipse/eclipse.v.x.xxx .................../eclipse.v.x.nnn ports/eclipse/plugins/puginlabel1 ports/eclipse/plugins/pluginlabel2 ................................/pluginlabelN ports/eclipse/misc/file1 ports/eclipse/misc/file2 ............................/fileN Scattering eclipse modules and plugins over the whole of the ports tree would, I believe, be both counterintuitive, counterproductive and confusing.ports/eclipse > >> If that means changes to the ports collection schema I see no objection. >> The long term interest of the platform is much more significant thn the >> current ports collection schema. > >I think you'll see multiple objections actually :) Well so be it -- but as I said before we are in a new era and I believe freebsd needs more of the motto "If the traditional hat does not fit then don't wear it" :-) let us take pride in designing one that does. > >> Here are the major categories and the number of plugins within each >> category: > >[snip] > >Ok, so there are a significant minority of plugins that may not go into >devel, how is this a problem? Not true. The current and rapid growth in the eclipse world lies in the vastly increasing number of rich client applications under development that will quickly dwarf the total number of plugins that appear to be development focussed. The problem of rapid development is that as the IDE versions change I foresee the need to label the plugins so it is easy to identify their interactions with different IDE versions. This will be much easier to manage and archive if all the plugins are in one location in the ports tree rather than scattered throughout the whole ports collection. The other thing is that a common make file could probably be used for the selection and installation of plugins by the user. > >> 2. That in line with current development and application thinking the >> implications and practice of the eclipse EDI framework cuts right across >> the current heirarchical divisions of the freebsd port tree which was >> itself created when the application and development environment was >> founded on an entirely different set of system and application >> constraints. > >Your initial point here would suggest that creating a virtual "eclipse" >category should be considered. This is something that has been done >before, so it wouldn't be outside of the status quo. > >> 3. We are living in a different era and the traditional divisions do not >> apply to the eclipse framework. Can we not, as a platform, welcome that >> change by making appropriate changes to our ports schema? > >See my previous comment. This is what virtual categories are for. It seems from what you are saying that the term virtual categories refers to the way in which the data is stored on the server. It is how the files are presented to the community that matters. > >> 4. As you can see by examining Eclipse and by careful study of eclipse and >> eclipse related websites it is not just an EDI it is also a multi >> application framework so it does not "belong" in anything other than its >> own place in the ports tree. > >I don't quite follow the logic I'm sorry. Development environments belong >in the "devel" category. Multi-application frameworks belong in the >"devel" category. How does something which is both not belong there? see my earlier comment -- As a development tool it is a development environment, as a framework under development it belongs under devel HOWEVER this is not the focus. The value to the freebsd community is to harness the tools which have been developed by the eclipse community and rich client applications (which certainly do not belong in devel) and, as an important aside, its use as a freebsd development framework. However because of the way in which eclipse IDE and tools integrate they all belong together (rich client application plugins can be dependent upon development tools and vice versa!!) > >> 5. I can see great potential for a number of freebsd specific eclipse >> plugins (including a combined freebsd system management and help tool >> providing an integrated and automated sysadmin functionalities). > >Vapourware is never a good argument for anything. The Vaporware to which I am referring are applications we do not currently have on the freebsd platform but are being developed for other platforms. If we are not careful freebsd will become no more nor less than a linux emulation machine! > >> 6. If we do not grasp the opportunity we now have to make the changes >> needed to accomodate eclipse and any similar generic combined >> Application/EDI frameworks then freebsd will suffer. It will certainly not >> be harmed by taking the steps necessary to incorporate into its ports >> collection. > >I disagree. We need no changes to accomodate eclipse -- its currently >accomodated, albeit in a suboptimal fashion. Why go suboptimal? >I have suggested it be moved >to a more appropriate category and conceded there _may_ (I'm not yet >convinced) be a case for creating a virtual category for it. If that means producing the kind of structure indicated above then we have no disagreement :-) >I believe >that course of action would be more than sufficient. > >> 7. There are substantial advantages when managing an eclipse development >> environment on the freebsd platform to having the plugins installed from >> the ports tree rather than via individual user accounts which could lead >> to individual team members loading different versions of plugins into >> their own user workspace. We need to have the plugins organized in the >> ports tree. That means 392 plugins - There can be no doubt that eclipse >> needs its own place in the freebsd ports hierarchy as well as its own >> mailing list for the good of the freebsd community. The combination of >> these two initiatives may attract new devotees to freebsd and cannot do us >> any harm. I do not believe we will act responsibly by leaving things as >> they are or failing to grasp the new opportunities. > >Here is the problem. The figure of 392 plugins and the unspecified harm >that will befall FreeBSD if we don't do something for eclipse is being >used to propose a reorganisation of the ports tree. A tool is a tool -- freebsd is not a religion but a set of tools. We do not need sacred relics but the flexibility to change. If the freebsd structure is so rigid that establishing an /ports/eclipse/ hierarchy is complicated then we need to use our flexible minds to design a more flexible solution. >The reality is that >we're talking about eclipse and about 20 plugin ports, Not true--- You cut out the list of plugins from my previous posting - you will see there are currently 392 plugins all of which can be ported. There are about three times that number under development. The largest proportion are rich client client applications. Category (number of plugins) Application Management (8) Application Server (9) Code Management (20) Database (24) Deployment (5) Documentation (8) Editor (30) Entertainment (6) Graphics (3) IDE (21) J2EE Development Platform (15) J2ME (4) Languages (19) Modeling (14) Network (4) Other (14) Profiling (7) Rich Client Applications (7) SCM (2) Source Code Analyzer (16) Team Development (20) Testing (23) Tools (57) UI (14) UML (11) Web (21) Web Services (10) XML (10) We are currently talking about 392 ports: in 20 categories here they are again >I'm sorry, but the reality of the level of interest in >eclipse amongst the FreeBSD community doesn't seem to match with the >magnitude of the change you are suggesting. You know the change has no real magnitude. The only magnitude I see is a reluctance to change. >Please, by all means, build >up that level of interest. The interest is going to other platforms because people in the freebsd community do not have the support from the eclipse community. The eclipse community is therefore enlarging the linux base. We need to turn that around and focus on the future not the past. >Get some people together like the Gnome and >KDE groups. Get some more plugins submitted as PRs and get them committed. >Then when you've got some runs on the board start proposing eclipse as a >virtual category. I am not going to put in that kind of effort and simultaneously fight a political battle to enable people to simply access the results. If freebsd is satisfied with doing it in a "suboptimal fashion" then why should I or anyone else bother? If the structure is not there to support it and neither will anyone else. If the eclipse hierarchy was organized the way I suggest then the all the plugins could be very quickly incorporated into the port tree david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. 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From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 00:26:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B524316A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:26:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A2743D49 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:26:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050827002623.BAUF3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1>; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:26:23 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:22:25 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <43062A01.5000208@phreaker.net> <20050821125806.4b06a022@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20050826205909.GA15820@dan.emsphone.com> In-Reply-To: <20050826205909.GA15820@dan.emsphone.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508261722.26131.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Ion-Mihai Tetcu , goatse@phreaker.net, Dan Nelson Subject: Re: is azureus finally okay? X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:26:23 -0000 On Friday 26 August 2005 13:59, the author Dan Nelson contributed to the dialogue on- Re: is azureus finally okay?: >In the last episode (Aug 21), Ion-Mihai Tetcu said: >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:50:41 +0200 anon wrote: >> > I have used many bittorrent programs, Currently im using bittornado >> > after using rtorrent (great program but crashing all the time) But >> > Bittornado doesnt relly have all the good functions like a torrent >> > queue for example... >> > >> > Anyway I have had freeBSD 5.3 and my runnings with azureus have >> > always been troublesome, because azureus+freeBSD arent the best >> > friends... last time I tried with 2.2.0.0 and jdk-14 it didnt work, >> > only time it worked was when I tried an CVS nightbuild, with an old >> > azureus version, like 1.4 ... but that crashed once in a while >> > too... >> > >> > So im just wondering 1) is azureus, latest version from ports >> > finally hassle/bug/crash free? and therefore 1 b) is jdk 1.5 >> > finally working and okay? not just beta, or that I have to use >> > linux 1.5 java >> >> Right now azureus won't compile because of the new eclipse version. > >I'm not sure why azureus requires eclipse at all. I have a homemade >port at http://dan.allantgroup.com/FreeBSD/swt-dan.tar.gz that builds a >standalone libswt, and I just use the jar file provided on the azureus >web site. There are no source patches in the current azureus port, so >it doesn't really make any sense to have to recompile it. jdk 1.5 runs fine on Freebsd 5.3 I have been running it since first release with no problem. David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner & Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 15:32:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A0816A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com [68.99.120.78]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADC443D46 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com) Received: from dns1 ([64.58.171.82]) by lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20050827153247.KVEX3947.lakecmmtao04.coxmail.com@dns1>; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:32:47 -0400 From: Vizion To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:28:47 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <430ED90C.80505@ebs.gr> In-Reply-To: <430ED90C.80505@ebs.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200508270828.48390.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Cc: Panagiotis Astithas Subject: Re: Vote for an official Eclipse for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:32:48 -0000 On Friday 26 August 2005 01:55, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed to the dialogue on- Vote for an official Eclipse for FreeBSD: >If you would like to increase the likelihood of a freebsd-specific >package on eclipse.org, cast a vote on bug 89315 in the eclipse site. >You have to create an account to do so, check out their bugzilla: > >https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/ > > >Cheers, > >Panagiotis >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Good idea I wonder if you would care to post your suggestion to the new freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list david -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. 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From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 27 15:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A421216A41F for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:56:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from fly.ebs.gr (fly.ebs.gr [62.103.84.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB2043D46 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:56:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from ebs.gr (root@hal.ebs.gr [10.1.1.2]) by fly.ebs.gr (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7RFuVID087828; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from [10.1.1.200] (pptp.ebs.gr [10.1.1.200]) by ebs.gr (8.13.3/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j7RFuWex009485; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:33 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past@ebs.gr) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.344 [267.10.15]); Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:26 +0300 Message-ID: <43108D2A.7000903@ebs.gr> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:56:26 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas Organization: EBS Ltd. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vizion References: <430ED90C.80505@ebs.gr> <200508270828.48390.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200508270828.48390.vizion@vizion.occoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vote for an official Eclipse for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 15:56:34 -0000 Vizion wrote: > On Friday 26 August 2005 01:55, the author Panagiotis Astithas contributed to > the dialogue on- > Vote for an official Eclipse for FreeBSD: > > >>If you would like to increase the likelihood of a freebsd-specific >>package on eclipse.org, cast a vote on bug 89315 in the eclipse site. >>You have to create an account to do so, check out their bugzilla: >> >>https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/ >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>Panagiotis > > Good idea > > I wonder if you would care to post your suggestion to the new > freebsd-eclipse@freebsd.org mailing list > > david Done. This is the first FreeBSD mailing list that starts with one of my messages. 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