From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 02:58:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BE816A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:58:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33CC43D49 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:58:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:58:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4217FCBB.4050001@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:58:03 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: crzdgns1@starpower.net References: <8272bee3.d08cf70f.81b8900@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> In-Reply-To: <8272bee3.d08cf70f.81b8900@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 02:58:08.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[016AE3D0:01C516F8] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FTP Client and IPFilter X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:58:07 -0000 crzdgns1@starpower.net wrote: >Hello, > >This ia a slightly longer post and I am not sure if it belongs >here or in freebsd-questions. If it belongs in >freebsd-questions, please let me know and I will post it >there. Now then... > > Ths list charter is at: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >I think I am beginning to accept the fact that I can't read, >so I'll just state that condition from the beginning. I have >installed FreeBSD-5.3-RELEASE and use IPFilter as my firewall. > >I have only one machine, with a cable modem connection to the >internet. I have been following the directions in the >Handbook, or so I thought, until yesterday. Yesterday I >posted a message here titled something like "Which FTP do I >have?" and received many helpful replies. Thank you! My FTP >client still doesn't work and the reason it doesn't work is, I >believe, I didn't follow the directions, which I discovered >upon further reading of the handbook last night. > >My questions for today are mostly for clarification of what is >written in the handbook, starting at section 24.5.18, Enabling >IPNAT. I do not currently have IPNAT enabled. Given that I >am a homeuser with only one machine, must I have IPNAT enabled >for FTP to work properly? The ipf.rules in the handbook seem >to indicate so, but I would appreciate confirmation. > > I wouldn't think so. No network, no _N_etwork _A_ddress _T_ranslation should be necessary. Keep in mind (although it's maybe a big assumption on my part), that in that particular example the machine is serving as a gateway... > <> > Secondly, the first rule in section 24.5.18 enables the > computer as a gateway. I was under the impression that it is > wisest not to use this rule unless you genuinely intend to use > the machine in question as a gateway. Am I correct? If so, > can I leave the first rule out and just include the second and > third rules and still expect the IPNAT FTP proxy to function? > > Thirdly, I am trying to follow the directions, believe it or > not. Assume for the moment that I use all three rules listed > in 24.5.18 of the handbook. Since I have only one computer, > can I then skip directly to section 24.5.21.1, IPNAT Rules, > add the three rules there, and then have a reasonable > expectation that FTP will work properly from behind my > firewall? Again, I am using the ipf.rules listed in the handbook. > > Thanks, > > Mark I had a rather lengthy interspered reply, then I realized that because I had a bad encounter with someone today, I was writing as if I would take it out on you. That would be wrong, although it's occasionally seen on the lists. I'd suggest you send a detailed mail to questions@ at with your ruleset and a description of what's happening (e.g., I did this, *this*, and then **this**, and _this_, __this__, and then ___this___ happened, but my result differed from what I expected in {{this way}} .... ) Does FTP work properly without your firewall? Have you attempted to turn passive mode off during the FTP session? That's a rather common reason that FTP clients have trouble with firewalls, and AFAIK it's mentioned in that same chapter.... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 03:09:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8C116A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071D043D1D for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:09:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:09:07 -0600 Message-ID: <4217FF4F.4000605@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:09:03 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Nagle References: <42177131.2090108@tampabay.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <42177131.2090108@tampabay.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 03:09:08.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[8ABE4400:01C516F9] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Commands "Delete / Shred" X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 03:09:06 -0000 Richard Nagle wrote: > Want to shred or clean the free space on a hard drive. > is there a command string for this? or app ? > > Thanks - > Richard > A recent thread on questions@ delved into this (rather as an aside). The conclusion *might have been* that if you were the CIA/NSA etc., "shredding" should be literal. One guy even offered to throw your disks into a volcano in Hawaii for a reasonable charge. IIRC, there were some more "common" responses to this, several of which would at least clue you in, I should think. Personally, "rm" works for me .... Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 04:16:13 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1272616A4D0 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:16:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE8343D55 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:16:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.49] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:16:11 -0800 Message-ID: <42180EA9.8040906@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:14:33 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <421577CA.4030009@cwazy.co.uk> <6e01203b05021710198d9a554@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e01203b05021710198d9a554@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 04:16:11.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[E8FC4EF0:01C51702] Subject: Re: ASP alternatives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:16:13 -0000 Tyler Gee wrote: > I believe there is an asp module for Apache (mod_asp). > > I have never used it and don't really know if it exists but it gives > you somewhere to start searching. > > -wtgee Yes. That is the target open source project your looking for. The starting point is go-mono.org. If they Mac OS X implementation is native, I would imagine this would compile easier, given that Darwin borrows heavily from FreeBSD. Otherwise, the Linux emulation might work as well. For ASP.NET related material chech out the following URL: http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/asp-net.html The mod_mono module can be downloaded in source form at: http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.0.6/mod_mono-1.0.6.tar.gz Note that mod_mono works with both Apache 1.3 and 2.0. The XSP is a lightweight web server written in C#. Best of Luck. - joaquin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 04:19:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4356716A4CF for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:19:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BE743D2D for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:19:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.49] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:19:19 -0800 Message-ID: <42180F6C.1010009@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:17:48 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 04:19:19.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[591AB370:01C51703] Subject: USB and FireWire Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:19:20 -0000 Hi, This might sound strange, but I like to use flash cards for archival back up (especially the CF format variety). I would like to hook this up via FireWire and/or USB2.0. I was curious in how well FreeBSD supports plug 'n play devices like this. Can I plug it in and get it to auto-magically mount. If not, is it easy to mount these through mount commands, or do I have to configure something more? - jm From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 04:23:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3047B16A4CF for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:23:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B9843D2F for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:23:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.49] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:23:49 -0800 Message-ID: <4218107A.8050508@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:22:18 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 04:23:49.0540 (UTC) FILETIME=[F9EE1E40:01C51703] Subject: Any thoughts on Graphical install UI? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 04:23:50 -0000 Hi, Many Linux flavors both commericial and free have attractive UIs for installation and package selection, and even to some degree partitioning and formatting of hard drives. Is there any thought of doing this for FreeBSD? Having an attractive UI, ala Fedora and/or gentoo would definately help attract more novice users to the FreeBSD world. Just a thought. Don't know if this was discussed before, as I'm a newbie. :-) -- jm From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 05:12:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E693616A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.finnovative.net (mail.finnovative.net [204.247.59.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B514D43D48 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:12:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linuxuser@finnovative.net) Received: from [192.168.1.49] ([192.168.55.1]) by mail.finnovative.net over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:12:01 -0800 Message-ID: <42181BC6.4010104@finnovative.net> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:10:30 -0800 From: Joaquin Menchaca User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Feb 2005 05:12:01.0934 (UTC) FILETIME=[B5EE6AE0:01C5170A] Subject: NFS and Kerberos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 05:12:03 -0000 Hi, With NFS for FreeBSD, does it support Kerberos or other alternative forms of authentication? NFS seems rather insecure. I mean all you need is a simple UID, and viola full access priv. - joaquin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 07:27:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCD216A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:27:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959AD43D49 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:27:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ippiraman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so124161rng for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:27:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=OirZs67d/CxyqYdkNHc5yx7NHm6WDXaDJ7ZqNhPzQtAxxTRHhF+TUv2I4V4B0XF4rYyY7rRBUQNlYv6/eF1b4lLuX9Q1UGvpK8a+ha9XOfQl83/A2DB4uiqlGM6leyclYagT0bjQAVaBSwKG1QHirrvwW57o4VFPG4Mlwe7QNDQ= Received: by 10.38.161.54 with SMTP id j54mr269549rne; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.102.27 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:27:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:27:53 +0800 From: Irvin Piraman To: Joaquin Menchaca In-Reply-To: <42180F6C.1010009@finnovative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42180F6C.1010009@finnovative.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB and FireWire Drives X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Irvin Piraman List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:27:55 -0000 USB storage devices are well supported by FreeBSD. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/usb-disks.html hth Irvin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 07:29:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C6016A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hestia.email.starband.net (hestia.email.starband.net [148.78.247.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADCA43D54 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:29:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottclansman@cwazy.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (vsat-148-63-97-60.c002.t7.mrt.starband.net [148.63.97.60])j1K7T8Fi032371 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 02:29:10 -0500 Message-ID: <42198D03.7030609@cwazy.co.uk> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:25:55 -0600 From: SigmaX User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <421577CA.4030009@cwazy.co.uk> <6e01203b05021710198d9a554@mail.gmail.com> <42180EA9.8040906@finnovative.net> In-Reply-To: <42180EA9.8040906@finnovative.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/697/Wed Feb 2 10:15:56 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on hestia X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: ASP alternatives? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:29:40 -0000 Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Tyler Gee wrote: > >> I believe there is an asp module for Apache (mod_asp). >> >> I have never used it and don't really know if it exists but it gives >> you somewhere to start searching. >> >> -wtgee > > > Yes. That is the target open source project your looking for. The > starting point is go-mono.org. If they Mac OS X implementation is > native, I would imagine this would compile easier, given that Darwin > borrows heavily from FreeBSD. Otherwise, the Linux emulation might > work as well. > > For ASP.NET related material chech out the following URL: > > http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/asp-net.html > > The mod_mono module can be downloaded in source form at: > > http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.0.6/mod_mono-1.0.6.tar.gz > > Note that mod_mono works with both Apache 1.3 and 2.0. The XSP is a > lightweight web server written in C#. > > Best of Luck. > > - joaquin But, uh, last I knew nobody (That I've found) has gotten mod_mono working on FreeBSD. I don't know, maybe the new release works or something. I'm not really a developer, and compiling from source is enough to scare me away if there's so much as a single hickup. I'm holding out for a successful mod_mono/XSP binary for FreeBSD... (with or without Linux emulation) if one doesn't appear soon I fear I'll need to switch my server back to Linux within a couple of months, when I'll need to start implementing ASP .NET pages. Cheerio, SigmaX -- Registered Linux Freak #: 366,862 "If you think of MS-DOS as mono, and Windows as stereo, then Linux is Dolby Pro-Logic Surround Sound with Bass Boost and all the music is free." From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 07:32:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409CC16A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:32:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D168F43D53 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:32:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20050220073224m9200bflsge>; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:32:25 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 01:30:59 -0600 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050220013059.5301ef59.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <4218107A.8050508@finnovative.net> References: <4218107A.8050508@finnovative.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0-gtk2-20041224 (GTK+ 2.6.1; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Any thoughts on Graphical install UI? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:32:28 -0000 I'm against this idea. Why? Because some of us use lower-end machines and having a graphical install ups the memory requirement for the installation. Such installers are fine for desktop machines, but for servers and networking machines, they just get in the way since that much more RAM and processing power is needed for the installation. When I tried to install Red Hat 7.3 back in 2002, it required 32 MB of RAM just to run the installer. A lot of this was because it was graphical. FreeBSD's sysinstall, on the other hand, requires only 16 MB (and other BSDs require even less) thanks to the fact that it's not graphical. I don't want to see FreeBSD go in that direction. Then there's the issue of how to fit a graphical installer on floppies. Some of us still have to use floppies for booting the installer (and then getting the actual files for FreeBSD via FTP) for various reasons, and having a GUI installer would make that more difficult. I do agree that FreeBSD could use an easier installation program, as there are several hidden pitfalls in sysinstall, but I don't think a GUI installer is the answer. An easier-to-understand curses-based installer would be a better solution. Just my two cents on this issue. - Dave V. On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 20:22:18 -0800 Joaquin Menchaca wrote: > Hi, > > Many Linux flavors both commericial and free have attractive UIs for > installation and package selection, and even to some degree > partitioning and formatting of hard drives. > > Is there any thought of doing this for FreeBSD? Having an attractive > UI, ala Fedora and/or gentoo would definately help attract more novice > > users to the FreeBSD world. > > Just a thought. Don't know if this was discussed before, as I'm a > newbie. :-) > > -- jm > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 07:33:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9334316A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:33:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CBA43D46 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:33:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ippiraman@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so124365rng for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:33:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EsbCHkQM9oAr1ZrtQ+Skqz7tPiNso2k+qc9fdMpHd3yTYWHETPdZYozf81x4F7A+7O6K0tugHEj154FoUA3npbe2C53cyM/4/exREpLcPk8taxkEDtdffMXnfeGph1jN1tvN/++HnZX6+SinqUx4+TQ+JoJ4XaNS/cGwON84QeI= Received: by 10.38.12.8 with SMTP id 8mr185140rnl; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:33:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.102.27 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Feb 2005 23:33:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:33:02 +0800 From: Irvin Piraman To: Joaquin Menchaca In-Reply-To: <42181BC6.4010104@finnovative.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42181BC6.4010104@finnovative.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS and Kerberos? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Irvin Piraman List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 07:33:03 -0000 I suggest that you read the FreeBSD handbook first: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html HTH Irvin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 08:10:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC5516A4D0; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758BB43D39; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:10:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805D9575E; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77417-07; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 61A9E5646; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20050220081003.61A9E5646@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2005-01-30 - 2005-02-19 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 08:10:15 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 14:18:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD9416A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:18:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp05.web.de (smtp05.web.de [217.72.192.209]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E39343D53 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:18:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidnies@web.de) Received: from [213.7.40.150] (helo=[213.7.40.150]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.103 #192) id 1D2ruw-0008Tn-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:18:38 +0100 Message-ID: <42189C72.9060807@web.de> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:19:30 +0100 From: David Nies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040618 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: davidnies@web.de X-Sender: davidnies@web.de Subject: Installation Problem: Can't boot from isos (RELEASE 5.3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:18:39 -0000 Hello! I'm new to FreeBSD, but not to Unix. I've been using linux for quiet a long time, but recently, I've heard about the benefits of FreeBSD. So I downloaded the latest iso-images of the 5.3-RELEASE. I burned them on CD and tried to boot from them. Everything went fine, lots of text passing by showing my hardware, and then it freezes after this line: ``acd1: CDRW at ata1-slave UDMA33''. I don't know anything to do. Can you please give me some hints? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 14:39:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807F716A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:39:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asclepius.uwa.edu.au (asclepius3.uwa.edu.au [130.95.128.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66D643D1F for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:39:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zanchey@mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au) Received: from asclepius.kas (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with SMTP id CD659184393 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:54 +0800 (WST) Received: from asclepius (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asclepius.prekas (Postfix) with SMTP id C8B7F184296 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:54 +0800 (WST) X-UWA-Client-IP: 130.95.13.9 (UWA) Received: from mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.9]) by asclepius.input (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1E31842C9 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:54 +0800 (WST) Received: by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix, from userid 801) id EE3F217F15; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:53 +0800 (WST) Received: from mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au [130.95.13.18]) by mooneye.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D8E17E92; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:53 +0800 (WST) Received: from zanchey (helo=localhost) by mussel.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D2sFV-0007wr-00; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:53 +0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:39:53 +0800 (WST) From: David Adam To: David Nies In-Reply-To: <42189C72.9060807@web.de> Message-ID: References: <42189C72.9060807@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: David Adam X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (208/050203) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard [UCS 290904] X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (UCS) [02-08-04] X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.0.0 [0125], KAS/Release cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation Problem: Can't boot from isos (RELEASE 5.3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:39:57 -0000 David, Welcome to FreeBSD! First and foremost, this is really the wrong list for this question. It needs to go to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org instead. However, when you send it to them, you might want to try and boot with verbose logging or in safe mode and see if that fixes the problem. If it does, you should still ask on -questions@, but make sure you include this information. Cheers, David Adam zanchey@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 15:07:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9F216A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:07:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3CB0443D3F for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:07:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from L.Andonov@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 25753 invoked by uid 0); 20 Feb 2005 15:07:57 -0000 Received: from 62.158.218.76 by www55.gmx.net with HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:07:57 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 16:07:57 +0100 (MET) From: "Leon Andonov" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-Authenticated: #985209 Message-ID: <11451.1108912077@www55.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Xorg and vmware-tools X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 15:07:59 -0000 Hi, i run FreeBSD 5.3 under VMWare 4.5.2. Now I want to install vmware-tools, but i have Xorg installed and the installation aborts. vmwaretools is searching for XFree86. What should i do??? bye Leon -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Leon Andonov Informatikkaufmann Genossenschaftsstr. 54 26389 Wilhelmshaven Germany mailto:L.Andonov@gmx.de ++++++++++++++++++++++++ . Lassen Sie Ihren Gedanken freien Lauf... z.B. per FreeSMS GMX bietet bis zu 100 FreeSMS/Monat: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/mail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 18:26:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132BA16A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:26:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr (smtp11.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6658143D67 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:26:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from browaeys.alban@wanadoo.fr) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9E2A71C000A5 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:26:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from argos.server.maison (AToulouse-152-1-56-114.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.125.143.114]) by mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7E04E1C0008C for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:26:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20050220182604516.7E04E1C0008C@mwinf1107.wanadoo.fr Received: from prahal by argos.server.maison with local (Exim 4.50) id 1D2vmN-0001OL-HO for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:26:03 +0100 From: Alban browaeys To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: cdbac50705010605116280d44@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 19:26:02 +0100 Message-Id: <1108923962.5074.4.camel@argos.server.maison> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.1.3.2 Subject: Voodoo 3 and DRI X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: browaeys.alban@wanadoo.fr List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 18:26:09 -0000 does it helps if you add : Load "GLcore" in the Modules section ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=289328, have an example with a working configuration (on linux and xfree86 :-/ ) Also /var/log/XFree.0.log would help to figure if it is a configuration error or a bug in xfree Cheers Alban From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 20 22:25:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C526916A4CE for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:25:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web52705.mail.yahoo.com (web52705.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.39.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4303143D1F for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:25:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mcdelroy@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 87499 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Feb 2005 22:25:16 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=hMJ8kFS3AdwHn5FDAbuuI868eW+Pt5uT6UI3QyQfOT7ev99BDehy5C7ukKjtn62pC3S4U+O+YB92v9taBM7TIKpiO1ohGn0c/LQLV1UdO8ZVNe/3xI+SyGVwfWkJnSwjQKWe1ZajTWiqVhW26tOun17MKU/5j+enGXC/T3SZYS4= ; Message-ID: <20050220222516.87497.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.13.247.91] by web52705.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:25:16 PST Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 14:25:16 -0800 (PST) From: M Delroy To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Cups JetDirect FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:25:17 -0000 I am trying to get a HP deskjet cp 1160 connected to a jetdirect working with FreeBSD 5.3 stable using cups and hpijs. I am not able to get a full list of foomatic drivers when setting up the printer in cups. I only see the PPD file I downloaded and it doesn't work. I am able to print using a genericdeskjet driver. However it is slow and low quality. I am unable to see the printer in applications such as Open Office. I installed the following ports: cups, cups, cups-lpr, cups-pstoraster, gimp-print, hpijs, ghostscript-gnu, foomatic-db, and perl5. I have made sym links to the cups lpr, lprm, and lpq and renamed those from bsd. I have put foomatic-rip and fomatic-gswrapper in usr/local/bin with chmod755. The scripts point to perl5. Basically I follwed the proceedure at http://www.screamingelectron.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-1155.htm __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 07:44:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE8E16A4CE; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:44:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BC743D46; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:44:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IC900AEI45E7S@mta10.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.1.0]); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:44:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:44:01 -0500 From: bsdnooby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) Subject: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 07:44:03 -0000 Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, email, listserv, and a few other services. I found several places that have dedicated FreeBSD machines to rent, their prices seems to all be $99 a month. Is there a cheaper or better option? Maybe a virtualized server or a jail? thx! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 2/18/2005 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 09:12:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3D916A4CE; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:12:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net (gen129.n001.c02.escapebox.net [213.73.91.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AF943D55; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:12:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gemini@geminix.org) Message-ID: <4219A5F5.3080100@geminix.org> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:12:21 +0100 From: Uwe Doering Organization: Private UNIX Site User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsdnooby References: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> In-Reply-To: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from gemini by geminix.org with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1D39c8-000Gax-00; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:12:24 +0100 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:12:27 -0000 bsdnooby wrote: > > Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy > machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a > dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, > email, listserv, and a few other services. I found several places that > have dedicated FreeBSD machines to rent, their prices seems to all be > $99 a month. > > Is there a cheaper or better option? Maybe a virtualized server or a jail? There are indeed less expensive solutions available. For instance, you may want to take a look at my signature below. ;-) Uwe -- Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 09:25:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE54016A4CF for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429DA43D5E for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pergesu@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so838184wri for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:25:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=bz8aa62wgjdTt6LpeEgpZxaviqbrik5aCJAkQ4xY2nMBDry/6/oW1OZh2aOYUzOeNm5FL3Hn+2MPxFISmHjZRVwVtSj++IGdtdfxbj+yfl8b0rbU5DU8PFZnP+GK2DxsGIxAeOfdqwjj18YBnXu3bjRuR8IhVblDyka2/6d66rU= Received: by 10.54.6.57 with SMTP id 57mr47351wrf; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.42.28 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 01:25:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <810a540e05022101252401e240@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 02:25:41 -0700 From: Pat Maddox In-Reply-To: <4219A5F5.3080100@geminix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> <4219A5F5.3080100@geminix.org> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: bsdnooby cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Pat Maddox List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:25:43 -0000 I rent a server from www.layeredtech.com They've been great so far. I'm not sure what exactly you need - it's obviously different if you're hosting a couple sites versus just having a machine to play with. The cheapest server they've got is $65/mo, though you might be able to talk em down a couple more bucks. You could also try getting a VPS from a place like servint, and have them install FreeBSD for you. Check out www.webhostingtalk.com You can ask some questions there and get great responses as to your various options. On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:12:21 +0100, Uwe Doering wrote: > bsdnooby wrote: > > > > Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy > > machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a > > dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, > > email, listserv, and a few other services. I found several places that > > have dedicated FreeBSD machines to rent, their prices seems to all be > > $99 a month. > > > > Is there a cheaper or better option? Maybe a virtualized server or a jail? > > There are indeed less expensive solutions available. For instance, you > may want to take a look at my signature below. ;-) > > Uwe > -- > Uwe Doering | EscapeBox - Managed On-Demand UNIX Servers > gemini@geminix.org | http://www.escapebox.net > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 12:06:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC4416A4CE for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:06:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay103-f21.bay103.hotmail.com [65.54.174.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C20743D2F for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:06:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hwang_edward@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 04:06:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 211.30.122.147 by by103fd.bay103.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:05:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [211.30.122.147] X-Originating-Email: [hwang_edward@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hwang_edward@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050218120105.B8E3C16A4E4@hub.freebsd.org> From: "Edward Hwang" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 23:05:46 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2005 12:06:02.0412 (UTC) FILETIME=[B66C4EC0:01C5180D] Subject: FreeBSD 5.3 for AMD64 vs i386 version X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:06:03 -0000 Hi, all. I would like to tell about my experience about FreeBSD. Recent few weeks, I've been playing with AMD64 for 5.3-release. I found that there are siginificant difference between i386 and AMD64. Here is following; 1.No sound card driver available in AMD64 whereas i386. 2. ACPI disabled is asked (if you are using Nvidia mainboard chip, then you need to disable ACPI) 3. LINUX compability option avaiable in i386 4. More wireless PC card is supported. Overall, I think i386 version is superior to AMD64 version.. I am not sure for the performance between 32bit and 64bit OS makes difference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 12:50:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A9C16A4CF for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:50:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8202343D1D for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:50:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=hercules.codepad.net) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D3CxK-000L0K-Ik for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:46:30 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:45:40 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050218175250.21997.h002.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> In-Reply-To: <20050218175250.21997.h002.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502211245.40597.ml-freebsd-newbies@codepad.net> Subject: Re: freebsd-newbies help.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:50:12 -0000 On Saturday 19 February 2005 01:52, sannsb@canada.com wrote: > On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:01:05 +0000 (GMT), > > freebsd-newbies-request@freebsd.org wrote: > > I am new at freeBSD, I'always self taught at a lot of > > things. I've gotten freeBSD 5.2 and 5.3 to do alot of > things. I just can't figure out how to set up a primary > DNS and to get apache to use the proper name > i.e.www.nnnn.com. > I've read a lot of text on the website but still > not clear. > Rod. A couple of options that might be useful for apache, here is a snippet from my httpd.conf # ServerName gives the name and port that the server uses to identify itself. # This can often be determined automatically, but we recommend you specify # it explicitly to prevent problems during startup. # # If this is not set to valid DNS name for your host, server-generated # redirections will not work. See also the UseCanonicalName directive. # # If your host doesn't have a registered DNS name, enter its IP address here. # You will have to access it by its address anyway, and this will make # redirections work in a sensible way. # ServerName home.codepad.net # # UseCanonicalName: Determines how Apache constructs self-referencing # URLs and the SERVER_NAME and SERVER_PORT variables. # When set "Off", Apache will use the Hostname and Port supplied # by the client. When set "On", Apache will use the value of the # ServerName directive. # UseCanonicalName Off -- /Xian "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 14:49:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9D916A4CF; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from olmec.nighttide.net (jasper.nighttide.net [207.5.141.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1213643D4C; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Received: from localhost (darren@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olmec.nighttide.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LEn1KM065352; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:49:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Darren Henderson To: bsdnooby In-Reply-To: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> Message-ID: <20050221093506.I65255@olmec> References: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:49:04 -0000 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, bsdnooby wrote: > > Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy machine > running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a dedicated > FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, email, listserv, > and a few other services. I found several places that have dedicated FreeBSD > machines to rent, their prices seems to all be $99 a month. > > Is there a cheaper or better option? Maybe a virtualized server or a jail? If that is all you want to do then just go to a hosting service - www.pair.com would be my recommendation. They use FreeBSD exclusively, support the open source world in general and FreeBSD in paticular. An account to do the kinds of things you mention would be about $18/month. -Darren ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren@nighttide.net Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 15:13:33 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA99116A4CE; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:13:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dexter.starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [66.93.17.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE5943D58; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:13:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from john@dexter.starfire.mn.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by dexter.starfire.mn.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id j1LFDTR63318; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:13:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from john) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:13:29 -0600 From: John To: bsdnooby Message-ID: <20050221091329.A63277@starfire.mn.org> References: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net>; from bsdnooby@optonline.net on Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:44:01AM -0500 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:13:33 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:44:01AM -0500, bsdnooby wrote: > > Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy > machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a > dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, > email, listserv, and a few other services. I found several places that > have dedicated FreeBSD machines to rent, their prices seems to all be > $99 a month. Would it really need to be DEDICATED? Many ISP's offer virtualized servers - the hardware would be shared with other virtual domains. I don't know what all services you need, but web and e-mail certainly can work in the virtualized environment. Check it out - see if it is for you - I know that SkyPoint used to offer this when I worked for them (www.skypoint.net). -- John Lind john@starfire.MN.ORG From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 15:34:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867E716A4CE; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:34:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from galilee.polands.org (CPE-24-208-53-189.new.rr.com [24.208.53.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD3143D54; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:34:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from jericho.polands.org (jericho.polands.org [172.16.1.35]) by galilee.polands.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j1LFYmRZ046163; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:34:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from jericho.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jericho.polands.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1LFYlw4081230; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:34:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@jericho.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by jericho.polands.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1LFYlKZ081229; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:34:47 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:34:47 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: John Message-ID: <20050221153447.GA81098@polands.org> References: <42199141.1070301@optonline.net> <20050221091329.A63277@starfire.mn.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050221091329.A63277@starfire.mn.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: bsdnooby cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good rentable servers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:34:50 -0000 On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 09:13:29AM -0600, John wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 02:44:01AM -0500, bsdnooby wrote: > > > > Instead of getting a fixed IP address at my house, and having a noisy > > machine running all the time - I think I might want to try renting a > > dedicated FreeBSD server. It would be used for running Apache, phpBB, > > email, listserv, and a few other services. I found several places that > > have dedicated FreeBSD machines to rent, their prices seems to all be > > $99 a month. > > Would it really need to be DEDICATED? Many ISP's offer virtualized > servers - the hardware would be shared with other virtual domains. > I don't know what all services you need, but web and e-mail certainly > can work in the virtualized environment. > > Check it out - see if it is for you - I know that SkyPoint used > to offer this when I worked for them (www.skypoint.net). > Here's another company that offers FreeBSD virtual servers: http://www.johncompanies.com/jc_bsd.html -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 17:04:54 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE9F16A4CE; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:04:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.5.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501AB43D39; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:04:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bsdnooby@optonline.net) Received: from [192.168.0.26] (ool-43532b7b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.43.123]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IC900HRZU2OPU@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.2.0]); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:03:54 -0500 From: bsdnooby In-reply-to: <421A0D86.1000109@optonline.net> To: FreeBSD Newbies , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <421A147A.20302@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) References: <421A0D86.1000109@optonline.net> Subject: buildworld fails on: ===> bin/domainname X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:04:54 -0000 When I run 'make buildworld' I get a series of errors like this: rm -f .depend GPATH GRTAGS GSYMS GTAGS ===> bin/domainname "Makefile", line 3: Need an operator ... "Makefile", line 33 Need an operator make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/bin *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src This is on a fresh install I am trying to update to RELENG_5. I've trying to follow whats in the handbook, including the 'cleandir' tips at the end, but nothing is working so far. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.2.0 - Release Date: 2/21/2005 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 04:05:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C517016A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:05:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5853043D2D for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tripolar@comcast.net) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (c-24-118-93-126.mn.client2.attbi.com[24.118.93.126]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <200502220405180160009fi6e>; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:05:19 +0000 Message-ID: <421AAFC7.1070406@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:06:31 -0600 From: tripolar User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Differences between 4.11 & 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 04:05:22 -0000 Hello All I am thinking of installing FreeBSD for webserver, mailserver & webmail. I have read about Stable & Current though I am still confused about the differences. Is 4.11 most appropriate for a server open to the internet? What are the opinions here? Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 06:27:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B026316A4CE; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:27:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay13-f4.bay13.hotmail.com [64.4.31.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9639243D53; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:27:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drgnut@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:26:00 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 67.112.116.41 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:25:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [67.112.116.41] X-Originating-Email: [drgnut@hotmail.com] X-Sender: drgnut@hotmail.com From: "John Palmer" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:25:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2005 06:26:00.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[604E5AC0:01C518A7] Subject: What is Freebsd 5.3 safe mode ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 06:27:29 -0000 I have installed Freebsd 5.3. When the machine boots up, it gives me several options if I want to boot up in Default Mode, Safe Mode, Single User mode, etc. I understand Single user mode. What is the difference between Safe Mode and Default Mode? Thanks JP _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 09:13:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C0316A4CF; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:13:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postfix3-1.free.fr (postfix3-1.free.fr [213.228.0.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151EE43D41; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:13:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tataz@tataz.chchile.org) Received: from tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (vol75-8-82-233-239-98.fbx.proxad.net [82.233.239.98]) by postfix3-1.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5CA173518; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:13:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by tatooine.tataz.chchile.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E67C8407C; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:13:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:13:14 +0100 From: Jeremie Le Hen To: John Palmer Message-ID: <20050222091314.GH1437@obiwan.tataz.chchile.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is Freebsd 5.3 safe mode ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:13:52 -0000 Hello John, > I have installed Freebsd 5.3. When the machine boots up, it gives me > several options if I want to boot up in Default Mode, Safe Mode, Single > User mode, etc. I understand Single user mode. What is the difference > between Safe Mode and Default Mode? IIRC, this disables ACPI. I looked for it in the manpage, but I wasn't able to discover the exact meaning of this mode. Regards, -- Jeremie Le Hen jeremie at le-hen dot org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 10:47:20 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA0616A4CE; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8218643D1D; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (buffy.york.ac.uk [144.32.226.160]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1MAlFHr010617; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:15 GMT Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1MAlEAl048843; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:15 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1MAlEFs048842; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:14 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: buffy.york.ac.uk: ga9 set sender to gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk using -f From: Gavin Atkinson To: John Palmer In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:14 +0000 Message-Id: <1109069234.48695.14.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is Freebsd 5.3 safe mode ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:47:20 -0000 On Mon, 2005-02-21 at 22:25 -0800, John Palmer wrote: > I have installed Freebsd 5.3. When the machine boots up, it gives me > several options if I want to boot up in Default Mode, Safe Mode, Single User > mode, etc. I understand Single user mode. What is the difference between > Safe Mode and Default Mode? Firstly, please don't cross post to three lists, especially a developer orierntated list alongside -newbies and -questions. Safe mode forces PIO mode (disabling the use of DMA) and disables write caching for all IDE hard drives and CD ROM drives, disables the probing of EISA slots (as very few systems have them), and in i386 it also disables the use of ACPI and the APICs. Gavin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 10:55:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F85E16A4CE; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E0643D5C; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:55:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 94F91530C; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 2CB6E5308; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A395033C3E; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:12 +0100 (CET) To: "John Palmer" References: From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 11:55:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: (John Palmer's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:25:13 -0800") Message-ID: <86u0o4ampb.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is Freebsd 5.3 safe mode ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:55:43 -0000 "John Palmer" writes: > I have installed Freebsd 5.3. When the machine boots up, it gives me > several options if I want to boot up in Default Mode, Safe Mode, > Single User mode, etc. I understand Single user mode. What is the > difference between Safe Mode and Default Mode? Safe mode disables ACPI, the APIC, ATA and ATAPI DMA, ATA write caching, and all EISA devices. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 22:50:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D085A16A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server49.totalchoicehosting.com (server49.totalchoicehosting.com [209.152.173.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CEC43D46 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:50:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eric@savaka.com) Received: from wsip-68-106-159-48.hr.hr.cox.net ([68.106.159.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by server49.totalchoicehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D3iq0-0008Ra-1J for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:04 -0500 Message-ID: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500 From: Eric User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server49.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - savaka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:50:02 -0000 I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I install winxp first? Or freebsd first. Thanks for any advice. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 22:58:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9535516A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:58:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDAE43D48 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:58:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from orbman@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1196905wri for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=DuDZWwlb0rkR9poJ9qDwPC0H18rTHRql7QY4MVvEXcIOU4EKN/wgx0mU7nLFe8zbSd/y7/8gOelWucBsQf8kzrhuTlKoUJHAS2ja4vxrgobOE87BvkQGOy+josRotRR+JnDdSO3FFX/Y6jdhM2xl0m/cvF/W09c3egxXU/sDaxc= Received: by 10.54.57.1 with SMTP id f1mr168814wra; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:58:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.3.4 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:58:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <74709e4c05022214583eadef88@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:58:55 +0000 From: Grant To: Eric In-Reply-To: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Grant List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:58:58 -0000 Hey, Its normally best to install windows first if you are doing a dual boot system, but you could do it the other way round, but then you would be required to use a boot disk of some kind. Byes. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500, Eric wrote: > I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I > install winxp first? Or freebsd first. > > Thanks for any advice. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ---L I N U X--- -Phear the Penguin- http://www.linux.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 22:59:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2239016A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:59:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1C743D46 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:59:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1196945wri for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=KuNnC+GGWtNvkWZhnxhPA9wrrVmQUcedx+07QNALv5Qt0c1bsjGsobS384CkklvLIIcWzmx3UexCG353SFf1/0jj9Y8SITBG7vy46byUlFXigObpcEPAq90LlfsltmhUMdmAf5IzHOap6sTU0PODvFV5PIQdy+nvDVqmeBHJ3jQ= Received: by 10.54.6.74 with SMTP id 74mr53436wrf; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.25 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:59:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:59:30 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Eric In-Reply-To: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:59:31 -0000 You always have to install Windows first if you are going to dual boot with anything. The reason is that Windows will automatically rewrite your Master Boot Record without asking so if you did FBSD first and then Windows you would have no way to access FBSD. -wtgee On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500, Eric wrote: > I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I > install winxp first? Or freebsd first. > > Thanks for any advice. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 23:00:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90ADD16A52E for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F3043D88 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:00:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1197124wri for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:38 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=LWQbFqEmy3e7jXAn2fPUytydAevaBSFkyAjiTU8ziDMePsGfG6f0KyKMJXmIJVv3z2yaoDt5Z4DcSetJlc6EDv7gO5Rtp3OTE/11qYUohRo4aYDU2IwCgvVQ64t9iZiffbQiveJ3bt6RDnfsPo4+dzEeTS8uXy060cemiHXpAIc= Received: by 10.54.4.52 with SMTP id 52mr133670wrd; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.25 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:00:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b05022215006a221d68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:00:37 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Eric In-Reply-To: <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:01:00 -0000 "...you would have no way to access FBSD." Except with a boot disk, as Grant points out. -wtgee On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:59:30 -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > You always have to install Windows first if you are going to dual boot > with anything. The reason is that Windows will automatically rewrite > your Master Boot Record without asking so if you did FBSD first and > then Windows you would have no way to access FBSD. > > -wtgee > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500, Eric wrote: > > I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I > > install winxp first? Or freebsd first. > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 23:10:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F7916A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server49.totalchoicehosting.com (server49.totalchoicehosting.com [209.152.173.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFA043D39 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:10:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eric@savaka.com) Received: from wsip-68-106-159-48.hr.hr.cox.net ([68.106.159.48] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by server49.totalchoicehosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.44) id 1D3j9y-0000X9-Hc for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <421BBBE7.9000202@savaka.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:10:31 -0500 From: Eric User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> <6e01203b05022215006a221d68@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e01203b05022215006a221d68@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server49.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - savaka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:10:39 -0000 Thanks --- any recommendations on formatting and partitioning my hdd prior to the OS installs? Tyler Gee wrote: >"...you would have no way to access FBSD." > >Except with a boot disk, as Grant points out. > >-wtgee > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:59:30 -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > > >>You always have to install Windows first if you are going to dual boot >>with anything. The reason is that Windows will automatically rewrite >>your Master Boot Record without asking so if you did FBSD first and >>then Windows you would have no way to access FBSD. >> >>-wtgee >> >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500, Eric wrote: >> >> >>>I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I >>>install winxp first? Or freebsd first. >>> >>>Thanks for any advice. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >>> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 23:20:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2633A16A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:20:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FAA43D48 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:20:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from geekout@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1200596wri for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:20:06 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=M2oVA5len864GeCovUn186W6/I9A806r52wBdj5RJc3z/5Z/UKY4fDSDy+6TZ7bv2KSmFHQ3E9RgIJ8grmdVbwzaCY70cwk3HqZTU99/8nXMOIHKSbvMR5KjpkMhPk9ipD395BJu/SOmabSaUcIj66zhxdvnA0C5lE1LmHIljBA= Received: by 10.54.14.12 with SMTP id 12mr265415wrn; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.46.25 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:20:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <6e01203b0502221520582bf876@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:20:05 -0700 From: Tyler Gee To: Eric In-Reply-To: <421BBBE7.9000202@savaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> <6e01203b05022215006a221d68@mail.gmail.com> <421BBBE7.9000202@savaka.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tyler Gee List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:20:07 -0000 0 GB - Windows Max GB - FreeBSD :) Just kidding. It would mostly just depend on what you need. Keep in mind that you can read Windows files from BSD but not vice verse (and writing is kind of sketchy). On a recent 20GB HD I put 5GB for Windows, 10GB for FreeBSD and left the other 5 open so I could add it to either one. What do you need your Windows box for? That will mostly determine how much space you want to allocate to it. On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:10:31 -0500, Eric wrote: > Thanks --- any recommendations on formatting and partitioning my hdd > prior to the OS installs? > > Tyler Gee wrote: > > >"...you would have no way to access FBSD." > > > >Except with a boot disk, as Grant points out. > > > >-wtgee > > > > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:59:30 -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > > > > > >>You always have to install Windows first if you are going to dual boot > >>with anything. The reason is that Windows will automatically rewrite > >>your Master Boot Record without asking so if you did FBSD first and > >>then Windows you would have no way to access FBSD. > >> > >>-wtgee > >> > >>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:26 -0500, Eric wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I > >>>install winxp first? Or freebsd first. > >>> > >>>Thanks for any advice. > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 00:04:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7663516A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:04:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB8543D53 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:04:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from noticeme@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1207208wri for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:04:00 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=ITsqxiqvzJftc9cnUU08G+l4doDnNTJp0FGApWyXTYwCt42fKwKwExQ61oXqi76AWls2rop3LIAxrZ/DWaDS55Fpfh38iwDO9P5CzuGeSTjLVARydx0mPfXJCFfL65Do/eYiPhrF0YUkZ2sleGXjOXJ0Y6t0ligYOs3xq5BWPaY= Received: by 10.54.11.15 with SMTP id 15mr143171wrk; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.34? ([195.240.197.240]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 6sm289974wrl.2005.02.22.16.03.57; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:03:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <421BC891.1020605@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:04:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Roeland Hemsteede Subject: ata1-slave: FAILURE - ATAPI_IDENTIFY timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:04:01 -0000 Hello, I have got a problem with FreeBSD and my laptop, I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE on it but i get the following errors ata1-slave: FAILURE - ATAPI_IDENTIFY timed out also it takes alot of time to load uhub1. I am trying to dualboot it with Windows XP but I dont think thats a problem because I installed it on my home computer without any problems ( also dualbooted and the same FreeBSD cd ). After searching though the mailing list archives I tried the following: At the boot prompt of the FreeBSD cd I went into the loader prompt and did typed the following "set hw.ata.atapi_dma="0"" after that I typed "boot" to continue booting up the installation. Yet it still hangs at the same point. I was hoping someone could help me getting it to boot so I can install it on my laptop. Thanks in advance, Roeland From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 01:01:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C6AF16A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:01:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com (imo-d22.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.208]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8779C43D46 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:01:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeruvianFinest03@aol.com) Received: from PeruvianFinest03@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id n.140.3ec0f869 (16781) for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:01:36 -0500 (EST) From: PeruvianFinest03@aol.com Message-ID: <140.3ec0f869.2f4d2ff0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:01:36 EST To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 1200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: (no subject) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:01:44 -0000 I currently own a server 100mbit unmetered.2gbram.600gbsata and have huge files in my server i was thinking to get 4x300gb scsi ..should i stick for sata or scsi? i get free replacement if a hard drives brakes* ..yes i am running freebsd. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 03:41:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8534516A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7971243D1F for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:41:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james.cook@utoronto.ca) Received: from angel.falsifian.afraid.org ([65.95.228.66]) by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.netSMTP <20050223034100.VEJW2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:41:00 -0500 Received: by angel.falsifian.afraid.org (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:43:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:43:17 -0500 From: James Alexander Cook To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050223034317.GA39088@angel.falsifian.afraid.org> References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 03:41:02 -0000 On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 03:59:30PM -0700, Tyler Gee wrote: > You always have to install Windows first if you are going to dual boot > with anything. The reason is that Windows will automatically rewrite > your Master Boot Record without asking so if you did FBSD first and > then Windows you would have no way to access FBSD. > > -wtgee > I didn't have that problem when I installed Windows. I already had Fedora Linux on my computer, and I installed Windows XP professional, and probably answered no to some question about writing to the MBR, and it was fine. My computer still booted into Fedore after the installation, and I just configured grub (my bootloader) to add an option for Windows. It probably depends on which version of Windows you're installing, of course. But in any case, even if Windows does overwrite your MBR, you can just overwrite it again yourself (you would have to use a boot disk one time to do this). But if you're starting fresh, yeah, no reason to go through all that. Just install Windows first. - James Cook james.cook@utoronto.ca From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 04:32:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C4416A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:32:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9396F43D49 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:32:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from slack1981@libero.it) Received: from localhost (172.16.1.82) by smtp0.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 41BDA86900F6CE38 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:32:57 +0100 Received: from padrino (151.42.188.85) by smtp20.libero.it (7.0.027-DD01) id 41D02BD30358942F for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:32:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c51960$c569d790$55bc2a97@padrino> From: "Cristian" To: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 05:33:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0508-1, 22/02/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: problem with sync modem adsl X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:32:59 -0000 Hi, i'm newbie of the freebsd and have installed driver for my modem = adsl usb(pppoatm) but when launch script for sync my modem the lenght = too much low and not sync while in other os it's sync succesfully why? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 14:00:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11EF16A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9211243D1D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from khirano@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so1318203wri for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:00:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J4erxgQ9a7UETJb7cZFpo5U2mnMbaYgZ9qCiwG1YS4lzstacyEQQNmV44eL808a46nNr2u99S2XUU2VE3uyKNKnd2x0t6AYO12WqdiD0QcJwu42hKRsr4w3wDuFB+WiPAJ+9tWKa1h3NaXmAMmlD/lr/ujay9FdkgwAoldHNM/w= Received: by 10.54.53.44 with SMTP id b44mr89654wra; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.47.79 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 06:00:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:00:16 +0900 From: Kazunari Hirano To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Supported NIC by FreeBSD 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kazunari Hirano List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:00:19 -0000 Hi, I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.3 on my box which has: CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2700+ 2.16 GHz (AXDA2700DKV3D) Processor (333 MHz FSB) http://www.amdmb.com/article-display.php?ArticleID=208 http://www.amd.com/jp-ja/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_3734,00.html MotherBoard: WinFast K7NCR18D-Pro Leadtek http://www.leadtek.co.jp/www/Mother/K7NCR18D/WinFastK7NCR18D_Pro.htm http://www2.amd.com/jp-ja/recmobo/DetailHandler/1,,,00.html?queryID=70815 http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?id=157 And its Ethernet driver which Linux reads is: forcedeth.c: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.29. For details, please refer to: http://www.transwift.net/pukiwikiooopukiwiki/?amd-athlon-machine#content_1_5 Is it supported by FreeBSD 5.3? Thanks, khirano From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 18:04:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4C616A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E627243D49 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:04:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-newbies@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1D40nv-0001dY-S0 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:00:07 +0100 Received: from pool-22-147.adsl.dn.farlep.net ([213.130.22.147]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:00:07 +0100 Received: from arcade by pool-22-147.adsl.dn.farlep.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:00:07 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:18:41 +0200 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-22-147.adsl.dn.farlep.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; uk-UA; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050111 X-Accept-Language: uk, ru, en-us, en In-Reply-To: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Sender: news X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Gmane-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Gmane-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-MailScanner-From: freebsd-newbies@m.gmane.org X-MailScanner-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:04:04 -0000 Eric wrote: > I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I > install winxp first? Or freebsd first. > > Thanks for any advice. You can install WinXP first or last, it doesn't matter. IT just takes some handwork to return to FreeBSD from Windows. First on Windows you mast mark the FreeBSD partition active. There is a tool named diskpart which can help you. Besides his dumb command interface. >diskpart #sel disk 0 (disk numbering starts from 0) #sel part 1 (partition numbering starts from 1) #active #exit You just need to remember your FreeBSD partition number. Next reboot your computer. FreeBSD should start without the BootManager prompt. In FreeBSD you can restore normal BootMananger with `boot0cfg -B /dev/ad0` command. -- [WBR], Arcade. [SAT Astronomy/Think to survive!] From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 20:38:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27C116A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:38:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from linares.terra.com.br (linares.terra.com.br [200.154.55.228]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B36543D41 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:38:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from emiliokatia@terra.com.br) Received: from paramonga.terra.com.br (paramonga.terra.com.br [200.154.55.133]) by linares.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95BE1DDD05F for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:38:33 -0300 (BRT) X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: b58a9f7bf6fa9cc064bcdb157c16ab15 Received: from [10.0.1.29] (200-138-215-033.fnsce7001.e.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.138.215.33]) (authenticated user emiliokatia) by paramonga.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3743C00E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:38:32 -0300 (BRT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.4.0]); Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:42:32 -0300 Message-ID: <001c01c519e8$328fd040$1d01000a@cingo.net> From: "Emilio Lombardo" To: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:42:31 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-421CEAB803CB=======" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Multiple vpn connections on gre(47) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:38:36 -0000 --=======AVGMAIL-421CEAB803CB======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi at all the list I'm a newbie to free bsd and used to have some experience with Debian = Linux and now i decided to move to this new system especially attracted by the fact that ipfw is built in = into the kernel so ...less compatibility problems and moreover has some good utility for managing bandwidth built in I manage a local lan here and we are using multiple connections of vpn = on gre protocol (47) and we do also nat on the=20 interfaces of the firewall that now is in the debian but we're thinking = move into freebsd soon My doubt is if this multiple connections are possible in fbsd because on = Debian we managed it but we had to recompile the kernel with=20 the Patch-o-Matic add-in and recompile iptables again=20 thank you for any help ! regards --=======AVGMAIL-421CEAB803CB======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/2/2005 --=======AVGMAIL-421CEAB803CB=======-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 23 23:04:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E808116A4CE for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:04:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8777B43D46 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:04:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roeland.hemsteede@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 57so21472wri for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:04:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=j1IhK8SYgXRVo56vt7OCY79viO7qWvCaD4M6AyTXJS904OWGro35bSiPzorqnLwLgPxMRoHrKJjKM5dLFbk47eZz5Te6sdEK//YNwHC2TVA7/qHNRGvPhsanpPsMFvlBos+pu8WYQnctewTPIyyp+UCbwcQFYmLaobf4YNXIMMA= Received: by 10.54.5.57 with SMTP id 57mr83466wre; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.34? ([195.240.197.240]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 8sm4364wrl.2005.02.23.15.04.35; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:04:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <421D0BFC.4030608@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:04:28 +0100 From: Roeland Hemsteede User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Newbies References: <421BC891.1020605@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <421BC891.1020605@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ata1-slave: FAILURE - ATAPI_IDENTIFY timed out X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 23:04:39 -0000 Roeland Hemsteede wrote: > Hello, > > I have got a problem with FreeBSD and my laptop, I am trying to > install FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE on it but i get the following errors > ata1-slave: FAILURE - ATAPI_IDENTIFY timed out also it takes alot of > time to load uhub1. I am trying to dualboot it with Windows XP but I > dont think thats a problem because I installed it on my home computer > without any problems ( also dualbooted and the same FreeBSD cd ). > > After searching though the mailing list archives I tried the following: > At the boot prompt of the FreeBSD cd I went into the loader prompt and > did typed the following "set hw.ata.atapi_dma="0"" after that I typed > "boot" to continue booting up the installation. Yet it still hangs at > the same point. > > I was hoping someone could help me getting it to boot so I can install > it on my laptop. > > Thanks in advance, > > Roeland > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > After i send this mail i received a reply saying the following: Try installing it in safe mode. After you have installed it in safe mode, edit /boot/defaults/loader.conf. Comment out everything that handles acpi. Then add add this hint.apic.0.disabled="1" Hope that helps you, --Don However, booting into safe mode wont help, it still crashes at the same point so im still looking for help. Thanks in advance, Roeland From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 06:02:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9BA16A4CF for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:02:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8A2B43D49 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:02:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from shawnblan@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 94824 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2005 06:02:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=jaVxqTnohQA1ekx1I5fICZ++41mSXPNSTYJ0FSG8znC3XUlD0k0/oAPQtT7zvopusaEqHAmtoCpq2oA1vaHO5BAY2Za6Y98s0fEOWnicdO4GuB4uxXUS9ggENTvQpOfcpP/+wiuqeJ7GYD+YOjlFPO6xGYz9srB4qVgKsmlHskg= ; Message-ID: <20050224060221.94822.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.49.227.3] by web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:02:21 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: Shawn B To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Question about FTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:02:22 -0000 I am new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering what good, easy-to-use and reliable FTP server FreeBSD can use. I tried ProFTP, and had problem after problem. When I figured out how to fix one error, I had another, after another, after another. Are there any good alternatives? I am using FreeBSD-4.8. Also, how do you get Apache to point to a specific directory? And, how would I use multipule domains on the single machine, pointing them to a separate directory? Would I need multipule domains? I am attempting to use FreeBSD as a http server, ftp server, PHPbb server, and possibly an IRC server. I would be using at least two domains to start, and possibly another two within a couple of months. ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 06:16:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A990216A4CE for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:16:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6126643D39 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:16:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from unknown (HELO George) (pschmehl@sbcglobal.net@68.90.207.92 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 06:16:56 -0000 Message-ID: <02b401c51a38$701d8240$6702a8c0@George> From: "Paul Schmehl" To: "Shawn B" , References: <20050224060221.94822.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:16:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about FTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:16:56 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn B" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:02 AM Subject: Question about FTP >I am new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering what good, > easy-to-use and reliable FTP server FreeBSD can use. I > tried ProFTP, and had problem after problem. When I > figured out how to fix one error, I had another, after > another, after another. Are there any good > alternatives? I am using FreeBSD-4.8. > > Also, how do you get Apache to point to a specific > directory? And, how would I use multipule domains on > the single machine, pointing them to a separate > directory? Would I need multipule domains? > > I am attempting to use FreeBSD as a http server, ftp > server, PHPbb server, and possibly an IRC server. I > would be using at least two domains to start, and > possibly another two within a couple of months. > Well you're certainly biting off more than most people could chew. You not only are new to FreeBSD but also to ftp and http. Hopefully you have some substantial Unix experience. If not, then you need to stop now and find a knowledgeable friend. You need to read the Apache config docs and learn how to create virtual domains on a web server. You need to learn how to set up a server securely. Who's going to handle dns for this(these) domain(s)? If you're really going to run an IRC server, you need to be even *more* knowledgeable. You have a lot of work ahead of you, and a lot of heatache if you don't do it right. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 06:18:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6CD16A4CE for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:18:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pi.codefab.com (pi.codefab.com [199.103.21.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5608A43D54 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:18:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 737935D39; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pi.codefab.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pi.codefab.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45790-07; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-68-161-75-250.ny325.east.verizon.net [68.161.75.250]) by pi.codefab.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5743E5D08; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:18:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421D71A7.30303@mac.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:18:15 -0500 From: Chuck Swiger Organization: The Courts of Chaos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn B References: <20050224060221.94822.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050224060221.94822.qmail@web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at codefab.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about FTP X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 06:18:21 -0000 Shawn B wrote: > I am new to FreeBSD, and I am wondering what good, > easy-to-use and reliable FTP server FreeBSD can use. I > tried ProFTP, and had problem after problem. When I > figured out how to fix one error, I had another, after > another, after another. Are there any good > alternatives? I am using FreeBSD-4.8. You might start by using the ftpd that ships with FreeBSD-- see "man ftpd" for how to configure it. Most people would find that or proftpd to be fine, but there are slightly over 100 FTP-related programs available under /usr/ports/ftp if you want to look at others. One of the BSD ships with lukembsd, I think, and ncftpd is reasonable, too. > Also, how do you get Apache to point to a specific > directory? And, how would I use multipule domains on > the single machine, pointing them to a separate > directory? Would I need multipule domains? The DocumentRoot directive in httpd.conf, possibly located at /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf? Or use symlinks and set "Options FollowSymLinks". Using the NameVirtualHost and VirtualHost directives. ...and yes, respectively. [ If you're not sure where the apache config file is, use the locate command to find it. The file is intended to be self-documenting, so search for the terms above and change those sections appropriately. There's also a manual in the default Apache document root or at www.apache.org. ] -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 24 22:55:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFB516A4CE for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:55:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1D943D3F for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:55:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:52:12 -0600 Message-ID: <421E5B71.3080502@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:55:45 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tyler Gee References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> <6e01203b050222145968985bb8@mail.gmail.com> <6e01203b05022215006a221d68@mail.gmail.com> <421BBBE7.9000202@savaka.com> <6e01203b0502221520582bf876@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6e01203b0502221520582bf876@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2005 22:52:12.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AA1B4D0:01C51AC3] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: Eric Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:55:49 -0000 Tyler Gee wrote: >0 GB - Windows >Max GB - FreeBSD > >:) > >Just kidding. It would mostly just depend on what you need. Keep in >mind that you can read Windows files from BSD but not vice verse (and >writing is kind of sketchy). > >On a recent 20GB HD I put 5GB for Windows, 10GB for FreeBSD and left >the other 5 open so I could add it to either one. > >What do you need your Windows box for? That will mostly determine how >much space you want to allocate to it. > > >On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:10:31 -0500, Eric wrote: > > >>Thanks --- any recommendations on formatting and partitioning my hdd >>prior to the OS installs? >> >> >> Righto, and hope I'm not too late. Consider carefully that NTFS is readable, but not really writeable from FreeBSD. You may wish to run winXP on a FAT32 volume (although it would be understandable if not). You could do as Tyler suggests, and set up a relatively small NTFS for winXP, a hug^H^H^Hsuitable area for FBSD, and a FAT32 partition you could access from either OS. HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 05:02:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0002C16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:02:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe6.cox-internet.com (fe6.cox-internet.com [66.76.2.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B35B43D5A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:02:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reno@hardcoretek.com) Received: from reno ([70.179.207.86]) by fe6.cox-internet.com 2c0225210a073aa8d80c3b96b8e7ebaa) with ESMTP id <20050225050204.SEGE355.fe6@reno> for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:02:04 -0600 From: "Reno Romanin" To: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:02:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUa9yNHd+wFCxRmR8m19xSa55laaQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050225050204.SEGE355.fe6@reno> Subject: Working my way into the wonderful world of BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:02:07 -0000 Hello list... I'm _very_ new to FreeBSD, and I have a couple of questions about the lack of init scripts... 1) is there any equivalent to init scripts in freebsd? 2) If not, can someone point me in the direction of a newbs guide to FreeBSD? 3) How complete is the linux binary support, and where can I find a list of the lib versions that are install for it? TIA --reno From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 06:36:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A61916A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FE043D48 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:32:39 -0600 Message-ID: <421EC75D.7060305@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:36:13 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Reno Romanin References: <20050225050204.SEGE355.fe6@reno> In-Reply-To: <20050225050204.SEGE355.fe6@reno> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 06:32:39.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD838E90:01C51B03] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Working my way into the wonderful world of BSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:36:15 -0000 Reno Romanin wrote: >Hello list... > >I'm _very_ new to FreeBSD, and I have a couple of questions about the lack >of init scripts... > >1) is there any equivalent to init scripts in freebsd? > > > I think you're talking about rc(8). I think Slackware uses a similar setup.... # man 8 rc RC(8) FreeBSD System Manager's Manual RC(8) NAME rc -- command scripts for auto-reboot and daemon startup SYNOPSIS rc rc.conf rc.conf.local rc.d/ rc.firewall rc.local rc.shutdown rc.subr DESCRIPTION The rc utility is the command script which controls the automatic boot process after being called by init(8). >2) If not, can someone point me in the direction of a newbs guide to >FreeBSD? > > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook ;-) >3) How complete is the linux binary support, and where can I find a list of >the lib versions that are install for it? > >TIA > >--reno > > Hmm, `man 4 linux` ?? I'm not too up on Linux, myself. Maybe also take a tour through: /usr/compat/linux /sys/compat/linux /sys/compat/linprocfs Maybe what's in /usr/compat/linux/lib? HTH, && welcome to FBSD! Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:31:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5C316A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B9843D2D for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jstn@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jstn@otaku.freeshell.org [192.94.73.2]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PEVLEA007572 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:22 GMT Received: (from jstn@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id j1PEVLZ0011892 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:31:21 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Pessa Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:31:21 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050225143121.GA15824@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <421BB6F6.2080704@savaka.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ Subject: Re: winxp and freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:31:23 -0000 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Feb 22 05:49PM, Eric wrote: > I want to configure my pc to dual boot winxp and freebsd. Should I=20 > install winxp first? Or freebsd first. You'd want to install XP first and then install fbsd. XP will always install its own boot loader to the disk. >=20 > Thanks for any advice. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Regards, =20 - jstn __ __ __ =20 |__|.--.--.-----.| |_|__|.-----. _?_ | || | |__ --|| _| || | (o-0)=09 | ||_____|_____||____|__||__|__| -ooO--(_)--Ooo- |___| "talk is cheap because jstn.sdf1.org =20 supply exceeds demand." --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFCHza5Ppr5wVVwYfURAk27AKCm1MlJk4Q4LBBHvLk4Xb/W1UgcWgCfW4/P iYT4VxJU0hgbl4RkjZRqi3o= =O0X/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 19:10:31 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF7916A4DE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0BF143D45 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1PJAUK5014724 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:30 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1PJAUa7014722 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:30 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:30 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200502251910.j1PJAUa7014722@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:10:31 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________