From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 30 01:00:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C3916A417; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47913C447; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989EC17060; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:43:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YMdmA2a4yxRG; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:43:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from laptop.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [96.227.209.253]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B062D17038; Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <479FC832.2000900@langille.org> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:43:30 -0500 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20080122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: What's up in Raleigh/Durham? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:00:29 -0000 I'll be in the Raleigh/Durham area for the first week of February (next week). My HQ will be Morrisville. Any interesting events / get togethers, etc? -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 12:45:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F6A16A418 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:45:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 533E713C459 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 8754 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 12:18:51 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 1 Feb 2008 12:18:51 -0000 Message-ID: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:18:37 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:45:34 -0000 Hi, I just heard rumours like this on German websites. What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from Yahoo's side at all anymore. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 13:37:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E216716A419 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from hu-out-0506.google.com (hu-out-0506.google.com [72.14.214.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695DA13C46A for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:37:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by hu-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 28so1107261hub.8 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:37:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ALXdt/8EdcgGxfsXi0SBQha0+v/RJIRl+pOFP1Z86kA=; b=w40oJgc3AzZTB66k2wOe3+QBpeEaXvxmfcbUjNpv/gG9KF37d0mKLRFbCEwJNPdXYB6Z/VdfHv2QMxbeBSp2gf0+1ORtp7onvDwjOaSATZI1KODOG9kjRkYjeNShC+jYFaqFVJG4fHIUiP/Y/kGFfRivllfSZD90JDJtN4LLqvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RJ95qy9Ul88QZj5apXCN0r9fyz6BWHhFLAdXk02K91QfnNYeuZEsBeP6Ae216XhwQquC9uZSJO2GncCgYYK1E5rgzmVGH/fgE3GLR+Hob2hrCIlHzXVr5dm2h6e/+YH7lDXFoXW9I4V2xmi2N6tnqfXsNS9Ii0xyxIh+aMba8Qk= Received: by 10.82.152.16 with SMTP id z16mr6303333bud.17.1201872188922; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.154.20 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 05:23:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:23:08 +0000 From: "Jayton Garnett" To: "Erich Dollansky" In-Reply-To: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:37:54 -0000 Hi, Search for Microsoft Yahoo on Google ;-) and you will see MS offered $44.6B :-o late yesterday after the big boss of Yahoo resigned. Jayton On Feb 1, 2008 12:18 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > I just heard rumours like this on German websites. > > What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? > > It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from > Yahoo's side at all anymore. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 14:19:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D433D16A41A for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EC3513C447 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 12701 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2008 14:19:33 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 1 Feb 2008 14:19:30 -0000 Message-ID: <47A32A62.6010208@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:19:14 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jayton Garnett References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:19:35 -0000 Hi, since two or three minutes, Yahoo also has this news. This does not reflect very well. Erich Jayton Garnett wrote: > Hi, > > Search for Microsoft Yahoo on Google ;-) and you will see MS offered > $44.6B :-o late yesterday after the big boss of Yahoo resigned. > > Jayton > > On Feb 1, 2008 12:18 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just heard rumours like this on German websites. >> >> What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? >> >> It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from >> Yahoo's side at all anymore. >> >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 14:37:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63AF16A419 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410E913C478 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:37:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 5493 invoked by uid 0); 1 Feb 2008 14:09:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp6.knology.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2008 14:09:38 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 617802840A; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:09:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:09:36 -0600 From: David Kelly To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080201140936.GA60258@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:37:40 -0000 On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 01:23:08PM +0000, Jayton Garnett wrote: > Hi, > > Search for Microsoft Yahoo on Google ;-) and you will see MS offered > $44.6B :-o late yesterday after the big boss of Yahoo resigned. The keyword is "offered to buy", not "bought for". -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 19:24:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CEA16A418 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662D213C4CC for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:24:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANP5okeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACvAg Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 10:57:05 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020110570406-2592 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:57:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:57:04 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 10:57:04, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 10:57:05, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 10:57:05 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:24:31 -0000 you guys are meanies! beasties even! *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 19:27:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A4F16A417 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB2713C442 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:27:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAP76okeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACudA Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 10:59:24 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020110592380-2593 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:59:23 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:59:23 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 10:59:23, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 10:59:24, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 10:59:24 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:27:30 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > I just heard rumours like this on German websites. > > What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? it was a news story on the san francisco news. they said that a federal investigation was going to decide if there were antitrust issues. > > It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from Yahoo's > side at all anymore. > > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 21:23:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69AB616A419 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1E213C45B for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m11LNV1c061231; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:23:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m11LNV3s061230; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:23:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:23:31 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:23:32 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:23:34 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > you guys are meanies! beasties even! I'm not sure if your question is meant to be serious or not, but I'll try to give a serious answer anyway. I'm working on that file right now. :-) Basically the name is kept for historical reasons. When the forth-implemented boot menu was introduced, the forth file displayed that menu alongside an ASCII picture of the BSD daemon [1] mascot which is commonly called "Beastie" [2]. Therefore that forth file got the name beastie.4th. Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is still there and can be enabled with an option. You can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. Best regards Oliver [1] http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html [2] http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 21:45:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB5316A419 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from supernews.unixathome.org (supernews.unixathome.org [216.168.29.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3BA13C44B for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:45:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63641703E; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:26:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from supernews.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (supernews.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VMmfu4YVEVzj; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:26:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from afiliascx2.afilias.com (ismtp.afilias.com [216.217.55.254]) by supernews.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929941703A; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:26:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <47A38E6D.1090705@langille.org> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:26:05 -0500 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> In-Reply-To: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:45:30 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > you guys are meanies! beasties even! > > I'm not sure if your question is meant to be serious > or not, but I'll try to give a serious answer anyway. > I'm working on that file right now. :-) > > Basically the name is kept for historical reasons. > > When the forth-implemented boot menu was introduced, > the forth file displayed that menu alongside an ASCII > picture of the BSD daemon [1] mascot which is commonly > called "Beastie" [2]. Therefore that forth file got > the name beastie.4th. For those that may not notice it: beastie sounds like BSD -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 1 22:25:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B94F16A421 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A4B13C467 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kFcl1Y0061GXsucA50XJ00; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:09:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([76.112.98.207]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kN9n1Y00R4UU1wU8T00000; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:09:48 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vNFPztz0_o8A:10 a=MgLs6EK-hZCldXGZt4wA:9 a=7v3m_g0Bk-Dy7MhFawlyhDwgW48A:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:20:27 -0500 Message-Id: <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:25:52 -0000 On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > you guys are meanies! beasties even! > > I'm not sure if your question is meant to be serious > or not, but I'll try to give a serious answer anyway. > I'm working on that file right now. :-) > > Basically the name is kept for historical reasons. > > When the forth-implemented boot menu was introduced, > the forth file displayed that menu alongside an ASCII > picture of the BSD daemon [1] mascot which is commonly > called "Beastie" [2]. Therefore that forth file got > the name beastie.4th. I thought it was neat, my first FreeBSD release was 4.0 from the Powerpak :) I love how FreeBSD does things like this for historical reasons, I love reading about the History, which is why I bought that DVD "20 years of Berkeley UNIX" with Marshall. Great DVD and very good if you're a UNIX history buff. > > Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big > letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is > still there and can be enabled with an option. You > can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. > > Best regards > Oliver Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! sehr danke! -Allen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 00:06:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F41E16A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:06:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2065D13C461 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:06:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAD9Co0eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACuZQ Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 16:06:33 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020116063240-2631 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:06:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu In-Reply-To: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> Message-ID: References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 16:06:32, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 16:06:33, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 16:06:33 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-851401618-1201910792=:6427" Cc: Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:06:34 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-851401618-1201910792=:6427 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Oliver Fromme wrote: > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > you guys are meanies! beasties even! > > When the forth-implemented boot menu was introduced, > the forth file displayed that menu alongside an ASCII > picture of the BSD daemon [1] mascot which is commonly > called "Beastie" [2]. Therefore that forth file got > the name beastie.4th. > > Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big > letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is > still there and can be enabled with an option. You > can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. > i've know about daemons for years and years, and i've known about that "beastie devil" who doesn't go over so well in texas. i don't why i acted like such a stupe and freeked out over such a file name. thx {:} > Best regards > Oliver > > [1] http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html > [2] http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html > > --=20 > Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. > Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Gesch=E4ftsfuehrun= g: > secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht M=FC= n- > chen, HRB 125758, Gesch=E4ftsf=FChrer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Geb= hart > > FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd > > 'Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," > start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom.' > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-851401618-1201910792=:6427-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 00:30:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8193716A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B501813C442 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 00:30:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 9592 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 00:30:35 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 00:30:32 -0000 Message-ID: <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:30:27 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KAYVEN RIESE References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:30:38 -0000 Hi, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> >> I just heard rumours like this on German websites. >> >> What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? > > it was a news story on the san francisco news. they said > that a federal investigation was going to decide if there > were antitrust issues. > this sounds like irony. As longer this drags, the further away from the top will Yahoo be and so antitrust cannot be important anymore. I currently use Google and Yahoo to do searches in news for a very specific subject. It seems to me that at least there, Yahoo is very often very much behind Google. Yahoo gets the same news sites indexed later. Of course, they are not CNN, they are pretty small compared to them. Erich >> >> It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from >> Yahoo's side at all anymore. >> >> Erich >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 01:15:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979A316A419 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from eris.caustic.org (caustic.org [208.69.42.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F8E13C45D for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A824E195; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from eris.caustic.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eris.caustic.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01571-01; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.10.13.22] (m208-49.dsl.rawbw.com [198.144.208.49]) by eris.caustic.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21354E18E; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:00:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <2B601BDC-0ED7-4CBC-BF12-89F2BDAA28E7@caustic.org> From: johan beisser To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:58:31 -0800 References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at caustic.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:15:17 -0000 On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support > from Yahoo's side at all anymore. I like to think that MS learned their lesson on pulling FreeBSD from production use when they bought Hotmail. Perhaps not. "Eat your own dogfood" doesn't come pleasant when your dogfood is crap. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 01:30:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F49F16A41A for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3986213C4DD for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CADpWo0eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACueQ Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 17:30:28 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020117302736-2643 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:30:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Allen In-Reply-To: <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> Message-ID: References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 17:30:27, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 17:30:28, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 17:30:28 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:30:29 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Allen wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > I thought it was neat, my first FreeBSD release was 4.0 from the > Powerpak :) > > I love how FreeBSD does things like this for historical reasons, I love > reading about the History, which is why I bought that DVD "20 years of > Berkeley UNIX" with Marshall. Great DVD and very good if you're a UNIX > history buff. sounds like a neat vid. where'd you get it? > > >> >> Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big >> letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is >> still there and can be enabled with an option. You >> can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. >> >> Best regards >> Oliver > > Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! > > > sehr danke! > > -Allen > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 01:35:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A051716A418 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:35:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6B3C13C442 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:35:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 27186 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 01:35:14 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 01:35:13 -0000 Message-ID: <47A3C8CB.20809@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:35:07 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: johan beisser References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <2B601BDC-0ED7-4CBC-BF12-89F2BDAA28E7@caustic.org> In-Reply-To: <2B601BDC-0ED7-4CBC-BF12-89F2BDAA28E7@caustic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:35:16 -0000 Hi, johan beisser wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from >> Yahoo's side at all anymore. > > I like to think that MS learned their lesson on pulling FreeBSD from > production use when they bought Hotmail. Perhaps not. > this came into my mind when I have read the news. On the other side, I think FreeBSD itself independent enough to continue even with a huge client base (in number of machines running it) is lost. > "Eat your own dogfood" doesn't come pleasant when your dogfood is crap. > My banana bush is blooming soon. It seems that I will have a better experience then. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 01:39:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FB516A41B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E1C13C458 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCD1DDF19; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:23:41 +1100 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8FC01A9A1E; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:23:36 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:23:36 +1100 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: johan beisser Message-ID: <20080202012336.GJ79197@dereel.lemis.com> References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <2B601BDC-0ED7-4CBC-BF12-89F2BDAA28E7@caustic.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ogUXNSQj4OI1q3LQ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2B601BDC-0ED7-4CBC-BF12-89F2BDAA28E7@caustic.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:39:23 -0000 --ogUXNSQj4OI1q3LQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 1 February 2008 at 16:58:31 -0800, johan beisser wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008, at 4:18 AM, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support >> from Yahoo's side at all anymore. > > I like to think that MS learned their lesson on pulling FreeBSD from > production use when they bought Hotmail. Perhaps not. I'm sure they didn't. > "Eat your own dogfood" doesn't come pleasant when your dogfood is > crap. Sure, but they're more used to it. I'd like to see a condition on the takeover that Y! continue to use FreeBSD :-) Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --ogUXNSQj4OI1q3LQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHo8YYIubykFB6QiMRAh/IAJ9WWpaG5XT9vHjC7YKM5G1fklxPDQCcDdVK gUC9J4LmdIJyA168XD6CPSk= =ERjX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ogUXNSQj4OI1q3LQ-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 01:49:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1FA216A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB41B13C467 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 01:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABxbo0eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACueA Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 17:49:23 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020117492204-2644 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:49:22 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Frank Shute In-Reply-To: <20080201225214.GA57322@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080201225214.GA57322@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 17:49:22, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 17:49:23, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 17:49:23 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:49:24 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Frank Shute wrote: > On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 10:23:31PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> > you guys are meanies! beasties even! >> > > The options to enable it are: > > loader_logo="beastie" > loader_color="YES" > > in /boot/loader.conf loader updated {:) > > Should be done by default IMO. Used to be until the religious maniacs > started going on about devil worship and other such nonsense. > i was reading a book on discrete math (they didn't require that in madison.. er.. it didn't exist) and i stumbled upon a problem that perked my ears http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310059.vhtml http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310060.vhtml i was pretty sure i understood the logic. i am just sort of skimming the book a lot of stuff i covered in various courses, just seeing if there was something basic that might have been important.. then i realized.. ITS AN ODD PROBLEM!! so i looked in the back of the book http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310061.vhtml i WAS LIKe OMG!!! hahaha {:D the thing is, tho.. it doesn't seem logically beyond an EVIL god to do GOOD to us, if it maximizes the hell we feel? oh wait. does this work both ways? hah }:D of course the debate of millenia couldn't POSSIBLY solved by an freshman level basic course!! this is what they call "the problem of evil," isn't it? > -- > > Frank > > > Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html > > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 02:00:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C4A16A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron3.sfsu.edu (iron3.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.128]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 802C213C467 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:00:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAG9do0eC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACudA Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron3.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2008 18:00:33 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020118003057-2646 ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:00:30 -0800 Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/01/2008 18:00:30, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/01/2008 18:00:32, Serialize complete at 02/01/2008 18:00:32 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:00:33 -0000 On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>> >>> I just heard rumours like this on German websites. >>> >>> What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? >> >> it was a news story on the san francisco news. they said >> that a federal investigation was going to decide if there >> were antitrust issues. >> > this sounds like irony. As longer this drags, the further away from the top > will Yahoo be and so antitrust cannot be important anymore. umm.. Uncle Bill is the one doing the buying.. so.. umm.. i read that as the courts viewing microsoft as becoming the monopoly. > I currently use Google and Yahoo to do searches in news for a very specific > subject. It seems to me that at least there, Yahoo is very often very much > behind Google. Yahoo gets the same news sites indexed later. Of course, they > are not CNN, they are pretty small compared to them. google made a run for the desktop a while back, right? so google is trying to compete with microsoft on a certain level. you can't exactly call these things monopoly since microsoft is a PC-OS while google is a webserver.. still microsoft has MSN search. microsoft has historically tried to horn in past the OS, (e.g. exel and word) so now they want to try to take websearch. it ain't gonna happen, umm.. i don't THINK it's gonna happen, right? > > Erich >>> >>> It could be anything from more support for FreeBSD to no support from >>> Yahoo's side at all anymore. >>> >>> Erich >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >> >> *----------------------------------------------------------* >> Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) >> (415) 902 5513 cellular >> http://kayve.net >> Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org >> *----------------------------------------------------------* >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 02:00:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1B616A418 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from wingfoot.org (caduceus.wingfoot.org [64.32.179.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8A513C478 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:00:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ges+lists@wingfoot.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD271F4407; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:37:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wingfoot.org Received: from wingfoot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wingfoot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10042) with ESMTP id ZmT-urUyPRfs; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:37:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Sandal.local (ool-4353640b.dyn.optonline.net [67.83.100.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by wingfoot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C541F4404; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:37:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47A3C942.4020100@wingfoot.org> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:37:06 -0500 From: Glenn Sieb User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KAYVEN RIESE References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Allen , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:00:48 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Allen wrote: >> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >>> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > >> I thought it was neat, my first FreeBSD release was 4.0 from the >> Powerpak :) >> >> I love how FreeBSD does things like this for historical reasons, I love >> reading about the History, which is why I bought that DVD "20 years of >> Berkeley UNIX" with Marshall. Great DVD and very good if you're a UNIX >> history buff. > > sounds like a neat vid. where'd you get it? > The video is great! Lots of cool history, and fun facts about BSD! Marshall sells it on his website, and Amazon sells it as well. https://www.mckusick.com/history/videoorderform.html http://www.amazon.com/History-of-BSD-Software/dp/B000KJTCIW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1201916085&sr=8-3 Best, --Glenn From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 02:10:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6677316A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADEC913C44B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 16349 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 02:10:23 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 02:10:22 -0000 Message-ID: <47A3D108.109@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:10:16 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: KAYVEN RIESE References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:10:25 -0000 Hi, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Erich Dollansky wrote: >>>> >>>> I just heard rumours like this on German websites. >>>> >>>> What impact could this have to the FreeBSD project? >>> >>> it was a news story on the san francisco news. they said >>> that a federal investigation was going to decide if there >>> were antitrust issues. >>> >> this sounds like irony. As longer this drags, the further away from >> the top will Yahoo be and so antitrust cannot be important anymore. > > umm.. Uncle Bill is the one doing the buying.. so.. umm.. i read that > as the courts viewing microsoft as becoming the monopoly. it is a question of how to define monopoly. > >> I currently use Google and Yahoo to do searches in news for a very >> specific subject. It seems to me that at least there, Yahoo is very >> often very much behind Google. Yahoo gets the same news sites indexed >> later. Of course, they are not CNN, they are pretty small compared to >> them. > > google made a run for the desktop a while back, right? so google is > trying to compete with microsoft on a certain level. you can't exactly > call these things monopoly since microsoft is a PC-OS while google > is a webserver.. still microsoft has MSN search. microsoft has > historically tried to horn in past the OS, (e.g. exel and word) > so now they want to try to take websearch. it ain't gonna happen, > umm.. i don't THINK it's gonna happen, right? > I also wonder how Google earns so much monez with its search engine. Is it just the adds? Is it reallz this simple? On the other side, Google must be so much better than other search engines to get so much more hits to earn money with this free service via the adds. The problem I see is how the search results are influenced bz the search engine in use. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 02:11:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707A716A468 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:11:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F6BE13C45A for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 02:11:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 9435 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 01:45:04 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 01:45:04 -0000 Message-ID: <47A3CB1B.2080606@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:44:59 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allen References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> In-Reply-To: <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:11:46 -0000 Hi, Allen wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> > you guys are meanies! beasties even! >> > Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! Only one 's' in dass is the correct spelling. man loader.conf will give you the hints > sehr danke! Bitte sch=F6n! Erich >=20 > -Allen >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"= >=20 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:01:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5684716A421 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@syslog.org) Received: from www2.stelesys.com (www2.stelesys.com [69.61.61.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219AA13C474 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@syslog.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=www.stelesys.com) by www2.stelesys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JL7yH-000BDp-E4; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:19:09 -0500 Received: from 76.20.240.110 ([76.20.240.110]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user jerry@syslog.org) by www.stelesys.com with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:19:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> In-Reply-To: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:19:09 -0500 (EST) From: jerry@syslog.org To: "KAYVEN RIESE" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - www2.stelesys.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - syslog.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:01:34 -0000 > umm.. Uncle Bill is the one doing the buying.. so.. umm.. i read that > as the courts viewing microsoft as becoming the monopoly. > google made a run for the desktop a while back, right? so google is > trying to compete with microsoft on a certain level. you can't exactly > call these things monopoly since microsoft is a PC-OS while google > is a webserver.. still microsoft has MSN search. microsoft has > historically tried to horn in past the OS, (e.g. exel and word) > so now they want to try to take websearch. it ain't gonna happen, > umm.. i don't THINK it's gonna happen, right? I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: 1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of it's competitor, Google (source: http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) 2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. All of this assumes a few things: 1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value 2) Google doesn't start a bidding war for Yahoo that MS can't sustain The Yahoo! BoD has a responsibility to solicit competetive offers, so who knows? But, assuming that MS is the suitor of choice, we will see MS and Yahoo! minimizing their market penetration, until they are on the other side of the close. I cannot see the US DoJ blocking this transaction. Jerry http://www.syslog.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:01:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B8E16A418 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@syslog.org) Received: from www2.stelesys.com (www2.stelesys.com [69.61.61.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA22A13C459 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@syslog.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=www.stelesys.com) by www2.stelesys.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JL87G-000BIk-Fl; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:28:26 -0500 Received: from 76.20.240.110 ([76.20.240.110]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user jerry@syslog.org) by www.stelesys.com with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:28:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4384.76.20.240.110.1201919306.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> In-Reply-To: <47A3D108.109@pacific.net.sg> References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <47A3D108.109@pacific.net.sg> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:28:26 -0500 (EST) From: jerry@syslog.org To: "Erich Dollansky" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - www2.stelesys.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - syslog.org Cc: chat@freebsd.org, KAYVEN RIESE Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:01:36 -0000 Erich said: > I also wonder how Google earns so much monez with its search engine. Is > it just the adds? Is it reallz this simple? > > On the other side, Google must be so much better than other search > engines to get so much more hits to earn money with this free service > via the adds. > > The problem I see is how the search results are influenced bz the search > engine in use. > > Erich Google earns nearly all of it's money from advertisements. Google has the defacto standard advertising platform on the Internet. Most people do not understand how large the Internet economy based on AD revenue really is. Read a bit through http://forums.digitalpoint.com - it's enlightening and frightening. Now, Google absolutely dominates the search market, with more than half of all searches. I think part of the reason is the simplicity and strength that they entered the market and the current venacular - when you search for something or someone, you Google it or Google him. You don't Yahoo it. The other part is the algorithm. They have historically had the most relevant results for a term. I would say that in many ways, both MS and Yahoo! give better results that google for most of the searches that I try. I believe the major reason for that is that *everyone* and his grandmother is trying to game Google to get their splog to the top of the google rankings. Regards, Jerry http://www.syslog.org From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:05:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1E916A418 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:05:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D724113C45B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 4013 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2008 03:05:10 -0000 Received: from adsl181.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.181) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 2 Feb 2008 03:05:07 -0000 Message-ID: <47A3DDDC.9020302@pacific.net.sg> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:05:00 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jerry@syslog.org References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <47A3D108.109@pacific.net.sg> <4384.76.20.240.110.1201919306.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> In-Reply-To: <4384.76.20.240.110.1201919306.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org, KAYVEN RIESE Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:05:13 -0000 Hi, jerry@syslog.org wrote: > Erich said: >> I also wonder how Google earns so much monez with its search engine. Is >> it just the adds? Is it reallz this simple? >> >> On the other side, Google must be so much better than other search >> engines to get so much more hits to earn money with this free service >> via the adds. >> >> The problem I see is how the search results are influenced bz the search >> engine in use. >> >> Erich > > Google earns nearly all of it's money from advertisements. Google has the > defacto standard advertising platform on the Internet. Most people do not > understand how large the Internet economy based on AD revenue really is. > Read a bit through http://forums.digitalpoint.com - it's enlightening and > frightening. > I know.. So it is really just the advertisement money they are getting. > Now, Google absolutely dominates the search market, with more than half of > all searches. I think part of the reason is the simplicity and strength I was doing some ISP work when I have heard the name for the first time. The result could not keep up with the other except for verz simple things. So, I dumped it and continued to use Alta Vista, Yahoo and the others. I can't even remember their names. > that they entered the market and the current venacular - when you search > for something or someone, you Google it or Google him. You don't Yahoo I have had the feeling they got a lot of Venture Capital those days which helped them to coin their name. > it. The other part is the algorithm. They have historically had the most > relevant results for a term. I would say that in many ways, both MS and > Yahoo! give better results that google for most of the searches that I > try. I believe the major reason for that is that *everyone* and his > grandmother is trying to game Google to get their splog to the top of the > google rankings. This helped them at the start as it gave them a good overview of what people are doing. Keeping all those things in the database made them actually access only 1% of the Internet but 99% of the users were happy with the result. Meanwhile, they are better in the searches I do. I have verz often at least two search engines looking for the same thing to get verz rare information. 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:48:57 -0000 Nikola LeÄić wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:23:36 +1100 > Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > >> On Friday, 1 February 2008 at 16:58:31 -0800, johan beisser wrote: > [...] >>> "Eat your own dogfood" doesn't come pleasant when your dogfood is >>> crap. >> Sure, but they're more used to it. >> >> I'd like to see a condition on the takeover that Y! continue to use >> FreeBSD :-) > > Whatever be the case, I've always been wondering why people say that > Yahoo! is a "supporter of FreeBSD". Maybe someone can explain this, > but what I can see is the following: > > * They don't say a single word about FreeBSD on their official pages. > The wider audience knows nothing about the fact that Yahoo! is powered > by FreeBSD. > > * They don't have FreeBSD version of Yahoo! Messenger -- it would be a > bit courteous, I think... > > * Their webmail interface produces some of the most horrific e-mails you > will see in your life. Compared to the e-mail standards, these e-mails > are vulgar, which in a strong contrast to the standards-compliant and > open-source nature of their base system. Therefore their users don't > benefit very much from Yahoo!'s underlying OS. > > (Unlike Yahoo! Mail, GMail produces very nice text-only e-mails.) Yahoo provides hardware, colo, and bandwidth. They allow their staff to support this infrastructure and in other ways to support the project. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference: http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:50:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F38816A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:50:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC20513C468 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03117; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:33:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:33:29 -0700 To: jerry@syslog.org, "KAYVEN RIESE" From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:50:50 -0000 At 07:19 PM 2/1/2008, jerry@syslog.org wrote: >I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue >that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: >1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of >it's competitor, Google (source: >http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) >2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any >search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. Anyone who thinks it doesn't constitute a monopoly hasn't looked at the typical user's browser window. Every Windows PC sold today comes with MSN as the start page and the Yahoo! toolbar (which claims to remove spyware, but spies on you itself and refuses to be removed) pre-installed. Combining the two will hold the average user, who doesn't even know how to change the browser start page and can't tell the Yahoo toolbar from the URL bar, completely hostage. >All of this assumes a few things: >1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value Ironically, it's Microsoft shareholders who think it's a bad deal. Microsoft's stock dropped like a rock when the offer was announced, while Yahoo! stock went up. >2) Google doesn't start a bidding war for Yahoo that MS can't sustain >The Yahoo! BoD has a responsibility to solicit competetive offers, so who >knows? Microsoft has, what, 22 BILLION dollars in cash on hand? So, if Google were to win, it wouldn't be due to dollars. >But, assuming that MS is the suitor of choice, we will see MS and Yahoo! >minimizing their market penetration, until they are on the other side of >the close. > >I cannot see the US DoJ blocking this transaction. This administration will do whatever a big business wants, so it is highly unlikely to block ANY merger or acquisition, no matter how detrimental. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 03:56:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD3316A41A for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E5813C448 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 03:56:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from illoai@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so976752waf.3 for ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:56:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Xj+RDABivCnYPStk0ZPVdI9Rqh9gH1qJAPH0vmoIQ4E=; b=NRsdNRtSkPudSX/3H5ssxwx62FBo7wh66dPkx9R17iuxA6LphSM3wB5DQt6wFxR7eWjXZHW+EZbDhRVUznna6lm05Q67eTDnnaVrtXzAx95zEViZ2GFhAcaeClO5YkGzMELM/v+0mbaVbFPQukuh8bTuMIxxlJedb3bIBO0d5cs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=P6FFgRYW/pOF4xH5d3oh00REyGDlbjsTE7bkk9cNgamCc8LZwFeQCqECSW8hiThEI40S3mm+jIehaU0fcTcYNFGOTmCYxaOFtq3F5cYwo3qa8n++LWSAzS/yO0rQqa4KSFu4KZ9VsWx7+VWQcquHINxsGnPTXghWEwaRJ7G9tLU= Received: by 10.141.37.8 with SMTP id p8mr2994070rvj.178.1201923010504; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.49.19 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 19:30:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:30:10 -0600 From: "illoai@gmail.com" To: "KAYVEN RIESE" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: soup or man (was: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:56:40 -0000 On 01/02/2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > i was reading a book on discrete math (they didn't require that in > madison.. er.. it didn't exist) and i stumbled upon a problem > that perked my ears > > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310059.vhtml > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310060.vhtml > > i was pretty sure i understood the logic. i am just sort of skimming > the book a lot of stuff i covered in various courses, just seeing if > there was something basic that might have been important.. then > i realized.. ITS AN ODD PROBLEM!! > > so i looked in the back of the book > > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310061.vhtml > Sophomoric at best. It begs the question. -- -- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 04:12:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-Chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61D116A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B9713C459 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:12:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net m124CeLu057372 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1201925570; bh=wwr4Mnp95ayc09d8Ao+oRMzIDlty8CWAMCSFx6vwE 6c=; l=1442; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: X-OpenPGP-Fingerprint:X-OpenPGP-Preferred-Keyserver:Mime-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; 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Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from mx03.dls.net (mx03.dls.net [216.145.245.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8D613C46B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 04:48:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailrob@emailrob.com) Received: from 216-145-235-164.rev.dls.net ([216.145.235.164] helo=emailrob.com) by mx03.dls.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JL99i-0007PJ-OB; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:35:04 -0600 Message-ID: <47A3E4FF.9070405@emailrob.com> Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:35:27 +0000 From: spellberg_robert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd_chat References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <20080201225214.GA57322@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:48:58 -0000 i am learning not to top_post, albeit slowly. [ snip ] > i was reading a book on discrete math (they didn't require that in > madison.. er.. it didn't exist) and i stumbled upon a problem > that perked my ears > > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310059.vhtml > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310060.vhtml > > i was pretty sure i understood the logic. i am just sort of skimming > the book a lot of stuff i covered in various courses, just seeing if > there was something basic that might have been important.. then > i realized.. ITS AN ODD PROBLEM!! > > so i looked in the back of the book > > http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310061.vhtml > > i WAS LIKe OMG!!! [ snip ] on inspection, it seemed ok, but, i was feeling just a little bit hinky about it. when in doubt, draw a truth table. so, i did. several times. i needed both monkey pages to be sure, but i got [ p + q ] and [ not_p + r ] implies [ q + r ]. six of the eight cases are fine. but, in the two cases where p = q = not_r , i can't make it work. can someone point out my error ? if i am not in error, does this mean that superman --is-- evil or malevolent ? is the spider_lady evil or malevolent ? or is it just her hench_men ? questions, questions, questions, on the minds of concerned young people to_day. is that the madison that is a stone's_throw from here ? just wondering. i recommend highly the two post_war serials, particularly if you are a ten_year_old or if you can play one at the matinee. many southern_pacific 4-6-2 locomotives and many views of the chatsworth station, back when there was fruit in the valley. http://www.amazon.com/Superman-1948-Theatrical-Serials-Collection/dp/B000I8OM94/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1201921520&sr=1-1 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001906/ see items 27 and 22 on the imdb page. rob woodstock, illinois From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 06:52:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1273D16A41B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BFB13C448 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:51:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kVNs1Y0020Fqzac5205x00; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:41:54 +0000 Received: from goku.pumpky.net ([24.6.177.88]) by OMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kWhw1Y0011uosLg3U00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:41:57 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0J9rNaf9kkWPloqZyA0A:9 a=c-MewPyxXVzYdvaAQZGD-E38NVQA:4 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 Received: from goku.pumpky.net (localhost. [127.0.0.1]) by goku.pumpky.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m126pkLG006840 for ; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:51:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by goku.pumpky.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m126pkjK006839 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:51:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) X-Authentication-Warning: goku.cjclark.org: cjc set sender to cristclark@comcast.net using -f Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:51:45 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080202065145.GA5516@goku.pumpky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Cc: Subject: Firefox in Multiple Windowing Systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:52:00 -0000 Not FreeBSD-specific enough for me to feel OK putting this in freebsd-questions. Anyway, anyone know of a trick to get Firefox to work in multiple windowing environments at once? Specifically, I have a machine that runs a local Xorg desktop as well as one or more Xvnc instances. I don't know how to have a single instance of Firefox open windows in more than one windowing environment. I'm not sure if it is even possible. A single Firefox may not have the ability to talk to more than one at a time. I could just run more than one Firefox instance, but Firefox does not let a single user run more than one instance on the same machine. Getting around that problem is another solution. Thanks for any ideas. (And no, running the VNC desktop within the Xorg environment is not sufficient.) -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 09:27:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E868616A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC6C13C467 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZSV1Y0020b6N64A200200; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([76.112.98.207]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZTA1Y0014UU1wU8P00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vNFPztz0_o8A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=UUTxH8zfAAAA:8 a=c2vtp_boAAAA:8 a=v3Sk1RdkIPThzLM3HUIA:9 a=F2ciaKG1z96I7-GAvHAA:7 a=eOD1q312LAYlCFS7pzPVR5TPSsIA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=V06zx4qklXQA:10 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1201945070.7535.4.camel@Caffiend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:12 -0000 On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 17:30 -0800, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Allen wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > > I thought it was neat, my first FreeBSD release was 4.0 from the > > Powerpak :) > > > > I love how FreeBSD does things like this for historical reasons, I love > > reading about the History, which is why I bought that DVD "20 years of > > Berkeley UNIX" with Marshall. Great DVD and very good if you're a UNIX > > history buff. > > sounds like a neat vid. where'd you get it? > FreeBSD mall, it's awesome, and Marshall is really funny too :) > > > > > >> > >> Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big > >> letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is > >> still there and can be enabled with an option. You > >> can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. > >> > >> Best regards > >> Oliver > > > > Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! > > > > > > sehr danke! > > > > -Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 09:27:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE09816A419 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37B613C469 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kYtk1Y0090b6N64A602D00; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([76.112.98.207]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZTA1Y0014UU1wU8P00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:11 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vNFPztz0_o8A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=UUTxH8zfAAAA:8 a=c2vtp_boAAAA:8 a=v3Sk1RdkIPThzLM3HUIA:9 a=F2ciaKG1z96I7-GAvHAA:7 a=eOD1q312LAYlCFS7pzPVR5TPSsIA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=V06zx4qklXQA:10 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:37:50 -0500 Message-Id: <1201945070.7535.4.camel@Caffiend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:27:12 -0000 On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 17:30 -0800, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Allen wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > > I thought it was neat, my first FreeBSD release was 4.0 from the > > Powerpak :) > > > > I love how FreeBSD does things like this for historical reasons, I love > > reading about the History, which is why I bought that DVD "20 years of > > Berkeley UNIX" with Marshall. Great DVD and very good if you're a UNIX > > history buff. > > sounds like a neat vid. where'd you get it? > FreeBSD mall, it's awesome, and Marshall is really funny too :) > > > > > >> > >> Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big > >> letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is > >> still there and can be enabled with an option. You > >> can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. > >> > >> Best regards > >> Oliver > > > > Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! > > > > > > sehr danke! > > > > -Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 09:33:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F0216A41B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501F213C469 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doomnix@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZUq1Y0030cQ2SLA300900; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:33:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.107] ([76.112.98.207]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id kZZ71Y0014UU1wU8W00000; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:33:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vNFPztz0_o8A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=7-u1zd-u10Yh8ff7MRYA:9 a=vF1EVY0teYKJQ0Ha-p0A:7 a=s4hYQAuA7K8EugGGAjmILdd40CYA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 From: Allen To: Erich Dollansky In-Reply-To: <47A3CB1B.2080606@pacific.net.sg> References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> <1201904427.7535.2.camel@Caffiend.org> <47A3CB1B.2080606@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:43:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1201945427.7535.10.camel@Caffiend.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:33:08 -0000 On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 09:44 +0800, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Allen wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 22:23 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > >> KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > >> > you guys are meanies! beasties even! > >> > > Wo ist dass? I didn't know it was still there! > > Only one 's' in dass is the correct spelling. as far as I know, Only if you mean "the" the two s ending means "that" and is because I can't do the character, so "ss" would be lowercase for it. Kind of like adding an "e" for umlaut without doing the dots. :) I know using Rammstein to help learn a language seems odd, but hearing a native speaker say words helps with pronunciation and slang as well as spelling with lyrics in the CDs. > > man loader.conf will give you the hints > > > sehr danke! > > Bitte schön! Willkommen :) > > Erich > > > > -Allen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 13:23:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3798B16A417 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:23:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from c-0500.emailmediator.com (c-0500.emailmediator.com [64.85.162.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF2513C44B for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:23:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-170-114-32.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.170.114.32] helo=reedmedia.net) by c-0500.emailmediator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JLHuT-0000g9-Oo; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:55:54 -0500 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 24679-1201956955; Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:55:56 -0600 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 06:55:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu In-Reply-To: <20080202065145.GA5516@goku.pumpky.net> Message-ID: References: <20080202065145.GA5516@goku.pumpky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox in Multiple Windowing Systems X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:23:46 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Anyway, anyone know of a trick to get Firefox to work in > multiple windowing environments at once? Specifically, I have > a machine that runs a local Xorg desktop as well as one or > more Xvnc instances. I don't know how to have a single instance > of Firefox open windows in more than one windowing environment. > I'm not sure if it is even possible. A single Firefox may not > have the ability to talk to more than one at a time. > > I could just run more than one Firefox instance, but Firefox > does not let a single user run more than one instance on the > same machine. Getting around that problem is another solution. Try: firefox -no-remote or: firefox -no-remote -P (-P to start with a different profile.) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 21:02:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D0516A418 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk (mailout.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F68113C45D for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 21:02:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JL4k8-0001Dy-NJ; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:52:20 +0000 Received: from melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (54-144.adsl.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.54.144]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id m11MqJO1001763; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:20 GMT Received: by melon.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B1136FCAC11; Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:52:14 +0000 From: Frank Shute To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu Message-ID: <20080201225214.GA57322@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, kayve@sfsu.edu References: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200802012123.m11LNV3s061230@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE i386 X-Organisation: 'Esperance Linux' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (zetnet.co.uk [194.247.46.1]); Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:52:20 +0000 (GMT) Cc: Subject: Re: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 21:02:58 -0000 On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 10:23:31PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > > KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > > you guys are meanies! beasties even! > > I'm not sure if your question is meant to be serious > or not, but I'll try to give a serious answer anyway. > I'm working on that file right now. :-) > > Basically the name is kept for historical reasons. > > When the forth-implemented boot menu was introduced, > the forth file displayed that menu alongside an ASCII > picture of the BSD daemon [1] mascot which is commonly > called "Beastie" [2]. Therefore that forth file got > the name beastie.4th. > > Later the default changed to display "FreeBSD" in big > letters instead of the BSD daemon. But Beastie is > still there and can be enabled with an option. You > can look at the beastie.4th file with a text editor. > The options to enable it are: loader_logo="beastie" loader_color="YES" in /boot/loader.conf Should be done by default IMO. Used to be until the religious maniacs started going on about devil worship and other such nonsense. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 22:07:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5BC16A474 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB8413C457 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CABR4pEeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACRfpsE Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2008 14:07:05 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020214070359-2660 ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:07:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:07:03 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: jerry@syslog.org In-Reply-To: <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:07:03, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:07:05, Serialize complete at 02/02/2008 14:07:05 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:07:05 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, jerry@syslog.org wrote: > I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue > that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: > 1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of > it's competitor, Google (source: > http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) Those numbers are quite different than those presented on the news I saw the other day. Google was up to 62%, and I feel like I remember MSN being doing to 2.9%. Yahoo is harder for me to recall, but 18.9% seems right. My memory is foggy I guess, because I am failing to see how it adds up to 100% this site is more update, and jibes with yours a little better http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/01/nielsen-google-yahoo-losing-search-share-to-msn-not-a-typo.html heh {:} maybe I mistook 2.9% for 12.9% > 2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any > search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. > > All of this assumes a few things: > 1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value > 2) Google doesn't start a bidding war for Yahoo that MS can't sustain > The Yahoo! BoD has a responsibility to solicit competetive offers, so who > knows? > > But, assuming that MS is the suitor of choice, we will see MS and Yahoo! > minimizing their market penetration, until they are on the other side of > the close. > > I cannot see the US DoJ blocking this transaction. > > Jerry > http://www.syslog.org > > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 22:23:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B8F16A41A for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6E713C45A for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAMR8pEeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACsag Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2008 14:23:26 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020214232473-2662 ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:23:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: "illoai@gmail.com" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:23:25, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:23:26, Serialize complete at 02/02/2008 14:23:26 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: soup or man (was: why is it called /boot/beastie.4th ?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:23:27 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, illoai@gmail.com wrote: > On 01/02/2008, KAYVEN RIESE wrote: >> > >> http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310059.vhtml >> http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310060.vhtml >> >> http://www.monkeyview.net/id/965/tree/chill/p1310061.vhtml >> > > Sophomoric at best. It begs the question. It clearly states the concept of god is infantile and invalid logically. I had heard of "the problem of evil," but never quite realized the fundamental thrust. *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 2 22:44:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBB116A419 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1.sfsu.edu (iron1.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0323413C447 for ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 22:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) X-onepass: IPPSC X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHSBpEeC1Apk/2dsb2JhbACsYQ Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.100]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2008 14:44:57 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.3HF100) with ESMTP id 2008020214445527-2666 ; Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:44:55 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: KAYVEN RIESE To: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> Message-ID: References: <47A30E1D.4030609@pacific.net.sg> <47A3B9A3.9080505@pacific.net.sg> <4362.76.20.240.110.1201918749.squirrel@www.stelesys.com> <200802020333.UAA03117@lariat.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3HF100 | December 5, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:44:55, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.3|September 26, 2007) at 02/02/2008 14:44:57, Serialize complete at 02/02/2008 14:44:57 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Erich Dollansky Subject: Re: Microsoft buys Yahoo X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:44:58 -0000 On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Brett Glass wrote: > At 07:19 PM 2/1/2008, jerry@syslog.org wrote: > >> I've been through many M&A deals. MS will be able to successfully argue >> that the MS+Yahoo! combo does not constitute a monopoly, since: >> 1) the share of search of the combined companies does not equal that of >> it's competitor, Google (source: >> http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page=3627122) >> 2) The combination of MS and Yahoo! does not preclude any >> search/portal/email competitor from entering the market. > > Anyone who thinks it doesn't constitute a monopoly hasn't looked at the > typical user's browser window. Every Windows PC sold today comes with > MSN as the start page and the Yahoo! toolbar (which claims to remove > spyware, but spies on you itself and refuses to be removed) pre-installed. > > Combining the two will hold the average user, who doesn't even know > how to change the browser start page and can't tell the Yahoo toolbar > from the URL bar, completely hostage. The news called it "antitrust ISSUES," which is interesting. Obviously, IMHO, Google's 59-62% (I am still betting they got this 3% boost since Dec. 2007) search market is clear counterindication to TOTAL monopoly, but nonetheless, depending on how one defines the "market," there is some concern. I think, though, that the obvious trend will be further marriages of broadcast media (2009 mandate of digital television signals as one indicator) and internet/computing sector corporations such as the past merger of AOL/Time Warner. Therefore, I guess I would tend to agree that antitrust SEEMS unlikely (but I must acknowledge total ignorance of actual legal technicalities on the matter and lack of J.D.). On Charlie Rose last night they were discussing the matter, and it seems the BIG question is whether Yahoo will acquiesce to the takeover. To do so would cut against the culture war of Redmond and Silicon Valley. >> All of this assumes a few things: >> 1) Yahoo's shareholders believe the deal represents a good value > > Ironically, it's Microsoft shareholders who think it's a bad deal. > Microsoft's stock dropped like a rock when the offer was announced, > while Yahoo! stock went up. Isn't that normal stock behaviors for takeover? > --Brett Glass *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------*