From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 24 02:44:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95C71065670 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us) Received: from outbound-mail-313.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-313.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FF558FC08 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7253 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2010 02:44:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box264.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.64) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 02:44:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=joseph-a-nagy-jr.us; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=EYLD72FjEDMaf4ebP50W2Hf1IN8kA5dgMEQyFC6Y0c/bSAGNt6gG+xME7z+UH1WSAIYTEPHfOnGZE7E5xPqoK4ObQ9S/aVtWCJ0iGTPVzVanu4FJhB2i6NTiBN5e8GL4; Received: from [206.74.86.236] (helo=[192.168.1.51]) by box264.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NYsSQ-0004JT-7C for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:44:03 -0600 From: Programmer In Training User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig37674FDD55B5AB3546396098" X-Identified-User: {2250:box264.bluehost.com:ameliora:joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} {sentby:smtp auth 206.74.86.236 authed with pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} Subject: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:44:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig37674FDD55B5AB3546396098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net connection (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned about how I was going to install the tools I need to start being productive (starting with a shell other then sh). I read the manual about how sysinstall can be invoked on a running system and I am just so happy! I mean seriously. You have no clue how happy that makes me. (: I can now burn a DVD of the install DVD and go from there until I get a net connection on either my NIC or winWiFi card. Love you guys so much! (: --=20 PIT Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. --------------enig37674FDD55B5AB3546396098 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLW7P6AAoJEENZQ8DH7rW08S8H/jfsN3XGajsXRZ28I70+6lEx ToGR5lFotIDBIlDlhHGonpdrA7PEXh2FU+qr3bINuZD4sDUXsF+AGKH6zj0W6cwR hoODziLoxVj72UjCfkpjSCzBadJY9wm4DvI1VPipPedkwH1nOdVa2A7U/NXq6JLu +VrSsnK4sNeRSL4ttWOpdRAMJWXTpsjbe0lYKWoG8dmlu/rKUzI2dhPwAMyIozwL MjM+27fmpMrwHd95cSyf/ZdOS1r9K3n+f+mKftvyR21/XShmY7vTINKVa+MmXDwR m9XIdmISNb1p2wO8yB9NId/wNm+kSK1cFCoQTUpo5Rp3c+l/HJ5w6qjJi3BG5Vo= =osBJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig37674FDD55B5AB3546396098-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 24 03:09:15 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C45106566B for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:09:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us) Received: from outbound-mail-313.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-313.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 20D058FC14 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24368 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2010 03:09:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box264.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.64) by outboundproxy6.bluehost.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2010 03:09:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=joseph-a-nagy-jr.us; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=KXNWIIFBHqxY2GT5mTSANepDNnrAFyqw1UgikK6gdQfDW3ZI5309AL1umW9ydJSyw2QhPbOXq4NZmthNm7HAIxNKIAK3U0myUJwVW3IFz+wmAxg3Dq/iRmPw8Ciie7oJ; Received: from [206.74.86.236] (helo=[192.168.1.51]) by box264.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NYsqg-0003wd-51 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: <4B5BB9D3.90208@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:09:07 -0600 From: Programmer In Training User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001241058.47363.erich@ovitrap.com> In-Reply-To: <201001241058.47363.erich@ovitrap.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7D1503C9B56C466CCC60F9E1" X-Identified-User: {2250:box264.bluehost.com:ameliora:joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} {sentby:smtp auth 206.74.86.236 authed with pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:09:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7D1503C9B56C466CCC60F9E1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1/23/2010 8:58 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On 24 January 2010 am 10:44:03 Programmer In Training wrote: >> I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net >> connection (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned >=20 > depending on your needs, this is all you need to get a running=20 > machine. >=20 > You can download additional precompiled packages on a networked=20 > machine and move it over to your machine if you need additional=20 > software now. >=20 > Erich >=20 See. Completely in love. (: Love at first byte, you could say. (; --=20 PIT Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. --------------enig7D1503C9B56C466CCC60F9E1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJLW7nYAAoJEENZQ8DH7rW0JboH/ib/xrg/8MNVl+ciPk/x9y0E 915OBY3grg2JJXnFu7kywd46zpuh+oN9H1T1zBPsYegSzxE/tSdargdEaqWPEhcY ECI8ahdtOsBeCpLzb9CQk63SIbkOdZvCBP7DGpZk7xaiYGygVwcxaMxGtKvD7tiw 6I7eOl3hWoSI6hjO2N0qqL0bRS/ciC28St/9FNqx4oYepk4WVoskZQeYNrgwy8UE khVtKcUjR7kAhrlzuaHwGdFSYkyZJjqKDIglKSjT56X4YWja3JXqXqKzDqodXUrg VJmwz4+j8El2S/jGfCyVOzu84kBe/KPGOwMzUulR0L26uzPZ3y2reDEeOVv1u/o= =E39i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7D1503C9B56C466CCC60F9E1-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 24 03:30:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543C61065696 for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20F338FC1B for ; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:30:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([112.199.149.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0O2wqSb030070; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:58:54 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:58:46 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> In-Reply-To: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Organization: ALO Green Technology Pte Ltd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001241058.47363.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: Programmer In Training Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:30:04 -0000 Hi, On 24 January 2010 am 10:44:03 Programmer In Training wrote: > I just got done with my first install, from CD, no net > connection (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned depending on your needs, this is all you need to get a running machine. You can download additional precompiled packages on a networked machine and move it over to your machine if you need additional software now. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 26 20:59:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E341065692 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915778FC08 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY113-W32 ([65.54.190.189]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:59:07 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [66.49.145.26] From: Rick N To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:59:07 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2010 20:59:07.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[665BE000:01CA9ECA] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:59:07 -0000 That's what I felt too(many moons ago)=2C after I discovered that FreeBSD = bible: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ :) -glad you're havin' fun. cheers. Rick. > Date: Sat=2C 23 Jan 2010 20:44:03 -0600 > From: pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us > To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Subject: I Love FreeBSD! >=20 > I just got done with my first install=2C from CD=2C no net connection > (currently) to the box. I was kind of concerned about how I was going to > install the tools I need to start being productive (starting with a > shell other then sh). I read the manual about how sysinstall can be > invoked on a running system and I am just so happy! I mean seriously. > You have no clue how happy that makes me. (: I can now burn a DVD of the > install DVD and go from there until I get a net connection on either my > NIC or winWiFi card. >=20 > Love you guys so much! (: > --=20 > PIT > Emails are not formal business letters=2C whatever businesses may want. >=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 02:10:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359F01065672 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us) Received: from outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-158.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECBBB8FC1B for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16443 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jan 2010 02:10:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box264.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.64) by outboundproxy5.bluehost.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2010 02:10:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=joseph-a-nagy-jr.us; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:X-Enigmail-Version:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=RW9qIR+Lka+BiIl77Wqf5yg69zCgenskZgc2GNFsPO+j0gYnCyl/51apYZwug3HTfD1qVTQiXfCbk0nfvytWMWSEegV5Qzdztl+RcLK879lOSIn1cucCtwbwWoplOC2m; Received: from [206.74.86.236] (helo=[192.168.1.51]) by box264.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NZxM5-0002YA-FI for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:10:05 -0700 Message-ID: <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:10:02 -0600 From: Programmer In Training User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.5) Gecko/20091204 Thunderbird/3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig47155E5A0C7573BD40FF9D20" X-Identified-User: {2250:box264.bluehost.com:ameliora:joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} {sentby:smtp auth 206.74.86.236 authed with pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:10:07 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig47155E5A0C7573BD40FF9D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1/26/2010 2:59 PM, Rick N wrote: >=20 > That's what I felt too(many moons ago), after I discovered that FreeBS= D bible: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > :) >=20 > -glad you're havin' fun. > cheers. >=20 > Rick. Thanks for the link, I've already used it a bunch (and will continue to do so until I get all the basic figured out). 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:42:00 -0000 Ah yes, the discovery phase. It's so blissful, warm and cuddly... I remember that time. It was many many moons ago (4.7 had just come out) Good luck with that! Jay From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 10:02:59 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9801065672 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f199.google.com (mail-iw0-f199.google.com [209.85.223.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0D18FC0C for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so5715911iwn.30 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rRQeYAiHxpWb3ggqJCYm6ChcWaE64SSlTaE+3cGUj3s=; b=WxzcIbsN7C/kTugiZMp4BbC9qHN8rkimwBEX6WAEcN4w32ZKkEn7CBKnaSUdo/CJbF 6zqvJiEJUcEUv9ff+2B629TXIdSbfmyS8qg4qeL3zF824UYhAEn6sdIzwUTk+8xbZaj6 W/CfJv219s9L9Yrmwk2opSBquACjKbpBXwhog= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=nM4gvM1fekiSA6Ap3E+yn2szCGtmOm7MguIoogygzXEjJRrrnsSoiDA8lncAFbOWh6 Hl/H/0U7r6d/5bsTghK4XZenDkyIexTCCRtXLFtGNLw6ikTgGFcc6iVckr45PdGta39N 0amD976KyeXfD5qDp7FGEOrUXz4B6NM7ou69k= Received: by 10.231.59.7 with SMTP id j7mr3342574ibh.12.1264586578767; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from kapoca.mjbrune.org (c-98-203-159-70.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.203.159.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm6900938iwn.7.2010.01.27.02.02.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:02:56 -0800 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jayton Garnett References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Programmer In Training Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:02:59 -0000 Jayton Garnett wrote: > Ah yes, the discovery phase. It's so blissful, warm and cuddly... I remember > that time. > It was many many moons ago (4.7 had just come out) > > Good luck with that! > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > soon you will be designing your room to hold as many computers as possible without making it super hot. currently I 3 computers in a 10 by 10 room that keeps about 60-70 F without any outside heat. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 11:00:20 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC27310656FA for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B115F8FC15 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aal01d0010vp7WLABalbEA; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:45:35 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aamu1d0011f6R9u8RamuP8; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:46:55 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:46:52 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:46:52 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:00:21 -0000 On Wed 27 Jan 2010 at 02:02:56 PST james michael wrote: >soon you will be designing your room to hold as many computers as >possible without making it super hot. currently I 3 computers in a 10 >by 10 room that keeps about 60-70 F without any outside heat. Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 12:16:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5C4106568D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2E88FC1C for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90911FFC51 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A7A1C84495; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:16:05 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:16:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> (Charlie Kester's message of "Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:46:52 -0800") Message-ID: <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:16:07 -0000 Charlie Kester writes: > Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but that's a vanishingly small amount) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 12:39:45 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8018106566B for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8404B8FC2C for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([180.129.21.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0RCdYkd012314; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 05:39:36 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technology Pte Ltd To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:39:20 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:39:45 -0000 Hi, On 27 January 2010 pm 20:16:05 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Charlie Kester writes: > > Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the > > most fun! > > Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater > produce the exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical > power consumed (modulo energy transmitted outside the room over > wireless or wired network, but that's a vanishingly small > amount) burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than=20 electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel=20 but all the losses during generation and transport reduce its=20 effectiveness dramatically. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 13:40:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25B8106566C for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857C38FC19 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01B71FFC51; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6C69D844BD; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:40:32 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Erich Dollansky References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:40:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> (Erich Dollansky's message of "Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:39:20 +0800") Message-ID: <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.95 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:40:33 -0000 Erich Dollansky writes: > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than=20 > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same fuel=20 > but all the losses during generation and transport reduce its=20 > effectiveness dramatically. Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 14:15:11 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CF8106568B for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:15:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f213.google.com (mail-bw0-f213.google.com [209.85.218.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E63D48FC18 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz5 with SMTP id 5so4597236bwz.3 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:15:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=f00GPlPsBnmXpMXUbz2xWmy1ZD+lAIONTopV/6B11/I=; b=aHXgmV2ES1JIYs/4wobeboCNNv1D3QIfopnqBCaViq89WRbVh/JeRZLTifQVhwa8L9 cXzEZJArQ/rjK9uWMh/FuYdcEthP25tWqKB3FGnLwLQpQVUGobO5xHDeCX6gkK1sSiAi Nk+9XLqkFpA1+Iut9+D4xk5MWAUAAOKnPL9iY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=cR60c0AT4LL7Y0U51gF7yYMlOeFPYlP/FvFs0ncGQSyPSwEEzdcW8bBYlmBGeCdHpG 4ZR310IAD+AuSv6DG04oLr5414Nm3l/JDGu+V/KHvjhnBHWRgj7cH0+VWEKPErbatDv6 hgMBtxLIvACRd9qUv9u5lhCuUcP0dVgqvw+Ak= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.8.81 with SMTP id g17mr2029669bkg.200.1264601709597; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 06:15:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:15:09 +0000 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=F8rgrav?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Erich Dollansky , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:15:11 -0000 > > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US. > > surely not ? The US is the all encompassing awesomeness. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 15:30:05 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E557106568D for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erich@ovitrap.com) Received: from nomoremozzie.com (nomoremozzie.com [67.212.226.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 443938FC08 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.110] ([180.129.21.40]) (authenticated bits=0) by nomoremozzie.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o0RFTxSi003093; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:30:02 -0700 From: Erich Dollansky Organization: ALO Green Technology Pte Ltd To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:29:46 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> Cc: Dag-Erling =?utf-8?q?Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:30:05 -0000 Hi, On 27 January 2010 pm 21:40:32 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Erich Dollansky writes: > > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than > > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same > > fuel but all the losses during generation and transport > > reduce its effectiveness dramatically. > > Define "most regions". There is a whole world outside the US. any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold=20 for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some=20 means. Erich From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 16:11:23 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F1710656C6 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tonyt@logyst.com) Received: from smtp.webfaction.com (mail6.webfaction.com [74.55.86.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A178FC1A for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-px0-f183.google.com (mail-px0-f183.google.com [209.85.216.183]) by smtp.webfaction.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53F51C77ABE for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:11:22 -0600 (CST) Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13so4098036pxi.3 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:11:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.141.125.18 with SMTP id c18mr1885295rvn.18.1264608681948; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:11:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <201001272039.23424.erich@ovitrap.com> <861vhbk6nj.fsf@ds4.des.no> <201001272329.48695.erich@ovitrap.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 03:11:21 +1100 Message-ID: <22166b751001270811k7cf7cf8fh40497b8d3e1eb18d@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Theodore To: Erich Dollansky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag=2DErling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:11:23 -0000 2010/1/28 Erich Dollansky : > Hi, > > On 27 January 2010 pm 21:40:32 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: >> Erich Dollansky writes: >> > burning wood, oil or gas is in most regions cheaper than >> > electricity which is most likely produced out of the same >> > fuel but all the losses during generation and transport >> > reduce its effectiveness dramatically. >> >> Define "most regions". =C2=A0There is a whole world outside the US. > > any region of this globe where temperatures go below the threshold > for being comfortable and people tend to create heat by some > means. > > Erich Wood is prohibitively expensive in [sub]urban Australia. We use it more for ambiance than heating. Gas is cheap, and on a par with electricity in terms of price to the consumer, but our brown coal is hopelessly inefficient. Tony From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 21:01:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD631065694 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from corky1951@comcast.net) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815AA8FC18 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aeHf1d00A1GhbT852koLJx; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:48:20 +0000 Received: from comcast.net ([98.203.142.76]) by omta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aknC1d0061f6R9u3TknCvW; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:47:14 +0000 Received: by comcast.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:47:10 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:47:10 -0800 From: Charlie Kester To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20100127204710.GM12145@comcast.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> X-Mailer: Mutt 1.5.20 X-Composer: VIM 7.2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:01:36 -0000 On Wed 27 Jan 2010 at 04:16:05 PST Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote: >Charlie Kester writes: >> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! > >Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the >exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo >energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but >that's a vanishingly small amount) I'm not sure I get your point. You can surf the web on your space heater? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 27 21:22:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38971065672 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:22:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kayve@sfsu.edu) Received: from iron1-mailrl.sfsu.edu (iron1-mailrl.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE8A8FC24 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:22:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Inbound-SFSU: False X-onepass: IPPSC X-From-SFSU: True X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEAM48YEuC1B9b/2dsb2JhbACDNsYSgiIBCQWFDIgggkmBGFgEhCWBV4UC Received: from edg04.sfsu.edu ([130.212.31.91]) by iron1.sfsu.edu with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2010 13:22:35 -0800 Received: from EHB04.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) by edg04.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.0.682.1; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:22:35 -0800 Received: from smtp01.sfsu.edu (130.212.10.100) by ehb.ad.sfsu.edu (130.212.31.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.682.1; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:22:34 -0800 Received: from libra.sfsu.edu ([130.212.10.238]) by mail05a.sfsu.edu (Lotus Domino Release 7.0.4HF59) with ESMTP id 2010012713223276-86 ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:22:32 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:22:32 -0800 From: KAYVEN RIESE To: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> Message-ID: References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on MAIL05a/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4HF59 | August 11, 2009) at 01/27/2010 13:22:33, Serialize by Router on SMTP01/SERVERS/SFSU(Release 7.0.4|March 23, 2009) at 01/27/2010 13:22:34, Serialize complete at 01/27/2010 13:22:34 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="-559023410-851401618-1264627352=:7168" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:22:36 -0000 ---559023410-851401618-1264627352=:7168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav wrote: > Charlie Kester writes: >> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! > > Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the > exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo > energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but > that's a vanishingly small amount) "per unit consumed," but I guess you need a server farm to consume enough= =20 power to get the same effect? Maybe a server garden. > > DES > --=20 > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > *----------------------------------------------------------* Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) (415) 902 5513 cellular http://kayve.net Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org *----------------------------------------------------------* ---559023410-851401618-1264627352=:7168-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 28 00:28:56 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1615A106568F for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f199.google.com (mail-iw0-f199.google.com [209.85.223.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35678FC15 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:28:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so161926iwn.30 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=M06UuycqjRV2sesqBdKpJDwc8ZjRsDEWAyyCJPau+J0=; b=oKsCgxiroyWM1CtLACCZiz7umwqZF4GFMlgZs7visAbZcNksIVgZNlPLTtkKhspzjl GDblN6Y1JdkGcnzjMtS7qvEilGFruKsb2zH3NFKFiapa3oR7XtxD/DbrjrSqzoOdulyW 5dYU2PU0iRrcZaK/WZU7HLVzTCpkBobT3Xf8Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=Pp+PO6ic0XqQ3zByBsKZnnhz6iEAb7ZxGgTk9gdm1XwGC/k5snL2PxQbJ4vsHA2zOo Bcjawds8l1OjZzIRtF/k8V7FkgET0K8lXpnlH1ppmVrsJoGDBgDoqnfPSoCzquxCagBK +UCuwU0DHA+YMW2wXbJrY01ccEY/foYlARxQw= Received: by 10.231.145.196 with SMTP id e4mr1238282ibv.54.1264638534965; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from kapoca.mjbrune.org (c-98-203-159-70.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.203.159.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm329186iwn.1.2010.01.27.16.28.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B60DA46.8060605@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:54 -0800 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20090706) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <4B5BB3F3.1070205@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B5FA07A.2020906@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <4B600F50.1060204@gmail.com> <20100127104652.GJ12145@comcast.net> <86aavzkaka.fsf@ds4.des.no> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: I Love FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:28:56 -0000 KAYVEN RIESE wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2010, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > >> Charlie Kester writes: >>> Not the cheapest way to heat a room, but it's probably the most fun! >> >> Elementary thermodynamics: a computer and an electric heater produce the >> exact same amount of heat per unit of electrical power consumed (modulo >> energy transmitted outside the room over wireless or wired network, but >> that's a vanishingly small amount) > > "per unit consumed," but I guess you need a server farm to consume > enough power to get the same effect? Maybe a server garden. Well I have one room with 3 i386 machines. ranging from p2-p4 with only single cores. I have trapped my room off of my houses heat and have been happy with the combination of: heat that drifts in from the hallway to my room, body heat and electronic heat given off of these computers, a TV, a printer and a router. Rarely I use my laptop in my room as well but its never used for heat. My room is usually about 65-70 degrees and ignoring the fact that the house has a natural gas heater, if it had electric I would be saving money by keeping my heat off and my computers on, as my computers are always on, when ever I feel cold i either deal with it, put more clothes on or cuddle up with the wife. It's not a bad way to live at all. With the fact that the house has natural gas, it does save heat because my computers would be on anyways. This way I benefit from them more. > >> >> DES >> -- >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > *----------------------------------------------------------* > Kayven Riese, BSCS, MS (Physiology and Biophysics) > (415) 902 5513 cellular > http://kayve.net > Webmaster http://ChessYoga.org > *----------------------------------------------------------* > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"