From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 00:46:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469241509AD4 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 00:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6FE7759EE for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 00:46:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2019 17:46:26 -0700 X-Random-Signature: Apple Broke Applescrip[t access to signatures, random sigs now powered by Keyboard Maestro Pro X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1 Message-Id: <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> To: info--- via freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A6FE7759EE X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.53)[0.534,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.82)[-0.823,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[asn: 209(-0.02), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.76)[0.765,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 00:46:31 -0000 On 23 Feb 2019, at 13:50, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > Unfortunately flash memory "wears out". There are spare storage = blocks and logic to level wear by switching th the spares when main = block failures are detected. Yeah, that=E2=80=99s good theory, but it=E2=80=99s not what has happened = with mine. Genrally they fail in the first few weeks. Even if it takes = longer, it is not like they have been written and rewritten many times. = This isn=E2=80=99t a wear issue, it is an "SD Cards Break easily" issue. --=20 'I knew the two of you would get along like a house on fire.' Screams, flames, people running for safety=E2=80=A6 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 05:58:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE94E15137D1 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com (mail-qt1-x82b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09622877A0 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:58:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id w4so7147470qtc.1 for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 21:58:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=UE9yi9BxF8mqr2pNAZlVIWY5UUwMcujDrFE7APnpuTE=; b=2P1pYfEAXQPzpHzsxAPTlzIKhClSqHL1z0E+VYffCk56y0365uz7G3R0L0A6QuAnZe tTzFvO4h/fiqJanbLA0REih1rYtb0dEJMjvxfBd/l9MDypVHOvuPKeekH1MVbr0t50/h o+ZFBLXJJWNrbzCKH40oFyFqLpD88Qu2saNSq204R1TBfinTC9g+dV3Id00gMiZFpsxA bnN5lg2EF6Nt4QAEMc96JENMSTpegBcX5R6pilarMok1IRidrpA5S+5kVw2GNyu3m9pF V8XbXfCr+bXdm/HHdRbay+3Zfm6WkxltllKEKRaUdiLja1fAib9LO3orboDuzkEmRg5z aP3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=UE9yi9BxF8mqr2pNAZlVIWY5UUwMcujDrFE7APnpuTE=; b=BR5CndqS5d48gx8BcUoat+kFmMv8f54MBUzV5C+3wgnkSMC1jBwezc0lUcBxGqvjKJ 8jwvtwwmG4DBi5JIdJxkqwnxGTLFmCKpl6a8sFTIrwA1JmKj88E99ZlhKBcE+qA2LsA2 /bkyMWMsDqu9WKY/MDF0UMtuMsH41OhHe6Lqmqpc0vNuqjO+Nj8s75qywGcCkyZr3RzW OhJjBbdghug/jajg5OHbcPF9rzV2CBUemaZh2mREWq0S4GVZjDtF8OfMyo1TIBNxhQ9F cmrBUTsNHJizq8nMOOwGGNF7VDoJH1dyz9EPWZTs+CCO8jn6kUUc2oONOcK/KN8LleXr KR4Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAua2fFCVPiPbiGw0TTuhguhN284jtKBf4fSX2/C+8rmooYhQnCSY i6Xt11eyZ2lr4Go3zj4LIQcfM0oQVm7pPiCFB27mku7hlqC4JA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IaegD83DDmLAoapngSAgAr/On3taG4/OgR/baYW5EzwWL82Shnk3fZfrTGEWqnMKBFBLlxYr4jZrQQHBzGMRes= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2827:: with SMTP id 36mr9181146qtq.359.1550987891007; Sat, 23 Feb 2019 21:58:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> From: Michael Sierchio Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:57:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: info--- via freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 09622877A0 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=2P1pYfEA X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.77)[ip: (-9.14), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.64), asn: 15169(-1.99), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx2.googlemail.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx3.googlemail.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.847,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:58:14 -0000 /dev/ / ufs rw,noatime 1 1 The *noatime* directive seems to make flash-based disk devices last much longer. YMMV. On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 1:49 AM @lbutlr wrote: > On 23 Feb 2019, at 13:50, Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > Unfortunately flash memory "wears out". There are spare storage blocks > and logic to level wear by switching th the spares when main block failur= es > are detected. > > Yeah, that=E2=80=99s good theory, but it=E2=80=99s not what has happened = with mine. > Genrally they fail in the first few weeks. Even if it takes longer, it is > not like they have been written and rewritten many times. This isn=E2=80= =99t a > wear issue, it is an "SD Cards Break easily" issue. > > -- > 'I knew the two of you would get along like a house on fire.' Screams, > flames, people running for safety=E2=80=A6 > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 "Well," Brahma said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 07:53:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D153A1515F75 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E69E8AB0F for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EBDA11515F74; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C431515F73 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29FAD8AB0E for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1O7rJZr035178 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:53:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x1O7rJD2035175 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:53:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:53:19 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: size of debug symbols In-Reply-To: <23665.37618.281478.64929@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <46040D79-BA05-43F5-9213-67094355B68A@cretaforce.gr> <23664.7723.844456.222198@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <23665.37618.281478.64929@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:28 -0000 On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 13:37-0500, Robert Huff wrote: > Trond Endrestøl writes: > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:07-0500, Robert Huff wrote: > > > > > I can no longer build large programs - e.g. www/webkit*, devel/llvm* > > > - using "WITH_DEBUG=yes" because it will inevitably consume 22+ > > > gbytes of disk space. (I complained about this before, and had no > > > answer as to what was going on or how to fix it.) This did not > > > happen under 11.*. > > > > What happens if you confine WITH_DEBUG=yes to /etc/src.conf? This > > way it should only affect base unless I'm mistaken. > > I was about to say "I expect that would work.". But: given the > size of the kernel, it is a fact not in evidence it won't have the same > problems. > It would also leave me with applications that are ... difficult > ... to debug using traditional methods. > (And more generally, I am concerned something like this can > change to such a degree either without being noticed or without being > documented. (_Is_ there documentation, other than complaints on the > mailing lists? I don't see anything in src/UPDATING, ports/UPDATING, > or (after a quick skim) in the Handbook. I'd love to be wrong here.) > One of my selling points for FreeBSD is the high quality of the > documentation; this puts that in doubt.) I was a bit wrong, for base it's WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=yes. I'm not sure if the same applies to localbase aka ports. See make.conf(5) and src.conf(5). The latter describes among others, WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 04:53:27 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739411511DF6 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D508A85D8D for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.28.147]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MVNF1-1gYEQn0JXT-00SQyq; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:53:22 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:53:21 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Andrea Venturoli Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card Message-Id: <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PmA2XgOJcqzFMdmVFzSa1hUwXGXjk04zh3jwUtDKHyoZwPjxCfp S9rDFnul5BANtdtM7R9zfSRSnDAiNzrl3hr9E0W9GEaFT/WtZsH2bcgJyiZwqkBqsSmbKvY E+CFfBXDdcEVCFtB6mbfdlELOADNcSW/ofVM3kvvi+h5KnXsBoZ0z3jB6UYP5W/j6X33j6+ n0j4781WPdK4/Jy6NFBEw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:koWebz63C0I=:lU7gHm3S/w8FcpZxVBdWea LEuuo1D82g4+ZBnQJQ4+qqZkLuvKwlZ93E5YJ5//5zl6ilQ+/TKCvExY9cjo5SVIk0qfeAouS sS/40JRs8/YBj0j7JaIsXlRbFUt6Dlt8EwBG10QWpqIGKp0BbyWohP4Vcvowl/Q5uxEZ8Y+PQ CsODA/32m2Sm4Wc3+NnmLdvPfOwYKE8mr+R7NLUHZzEOXEATeNFBS9BlFp+CD3HXdkZ6FIuUZ Z5w2t7jP9IwtUbzUugEfTjnq+By0SRNfQEGCB3kAbyRxJaohSJdL9HdTFWj//Iz5TFvunb7xC 2Hcf398P8mGF+E+cnJO5s5YRpEq9BkrAvd81K9HN7n9y3pvM5fbOYOGAfWIZ6Min2sHQCMW+P ZRi//xzpFoTgWHbH4XXI6atACOpOMaWQyb111blbzgYJi2rzaxCL+X5w+iveHx1NZCGGSEMlw vudP3GpyiFVQcbI3+1vcYcBCfyeM+uAkIaFI4GqqiVNik79nqrfs+F7N2f3uWAz8LQGMnoWq3 CcESprAizRF+N0Y+I84AxbdWIF995Hld5sURxVP96l94xcR/+Yq2VpcyAYKYzqsqzOgVNioI9 WldpPKKh91UwYN6t3gVAcGeE09XJARiQKZoM0VntXJWSB3m6tPC11ZXoGQ6INzjfHP5qrgErB x1F6IsOSoN9sHMVRBytMXFfJULjstrHrKsR8E06cwyBPkbwnObmJUqiJZSfu0sc9siXp+TzKl H3qjyleeCCoc/eZnc3VA9CprWEbPLWQcnxd6HyBuf2azWmuJBb3JQWNu9SA= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D508A85D8D X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.78 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[147.28.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.941,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.993,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.993,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.46)[ip: (1.29), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.85), asn: 8560(1.87), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 04:53:27 -0000 On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 17:50:27 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > A customer of mine gave me an SD card which is quite surely failing. >From what you're describing, it _has_ failed already. ;-) > I'm trying to recover what I can. Did you ask your customer to recover from his backups? Yes, of course you did. :-) Okay, let's see: > I first tried using an USB based reader: altough the SD card should be > 4GB in size, dd just copies 121MB. So does recoverdisk. This will probably apply to _any_ copying tool. For things where dd fails, I often try dd_rescue and ddrescue (two different programs). They can lower the block size and perform several retries, but that won't help as the device reports "end of medium" at 121 MB. And you cannot read beyond the end of medium. That particular information is provided by the medium itself. > "camcontrol readcap /dev/da3" gives: > > Last Block: 248319, Block Length: 512 bytes > which agains means about 121MB. This is "correct" according to what the card identifies as. > I put the card in another box and i get: > > mmcsd0: 127MB > > at mmc0 0.4MHz/4bit/65535-block Above assumption is confirmed. > Is there any way I can get beyond this 121-127MB limit and read what I > can of the rest? > I looked into camcontrol's man page, but came up with no idea. That's probably not directly possible. The media controller (the "computer" on the SD card) has decided to turn itself into a 127 MB card, for whatever reason. A _possible_ reason is that the card is worn out, causing malfunctions. The same happens to SSDs, but those usually turn into "read-only media" to preserve the existing information. But for the price of an SD card, you cannot expect this. > The card should hold pictures, so I could go ahead with photorec once I > got an even partial image. That is the recommended approach. Maybe you can already recover a fraction of the images stored on the card. There is another possibility, but it's actually _very_ hard to do, and it's not guaranteed to work: Obtain an identical SD card. It has to be "as identical as possible": same control unit, same memory unit, same firmware revision (yes, there's "a whole computer with hard- and software" on that thing!). Transplant the old memory chip to the new card, removing its new memory chip (empty) beforehand. Then try another identification. If it's a micro-SD card, don't inhale the chip. ;-) As I mentioned, this is quite problematic, because the new controlller might see a worn-out memory chip and act the same as the old one. The firmware is closed source, so you don't have a chance to _know_ how it will act. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 06:53:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E1815149BF for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 957C5892A2 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:53:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1O6rSJc090645 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: Polytropon Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <9cb7d703-bef2-8245-615c-4a471e858f32@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:53:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 957C5892A2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.938,0]; IP_SCORE(0.16)[ip: (0.55), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.28), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.962,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.16)[-0.164,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:53:43 -0000 On 2/24/19 5:53 AM, Polytropon wrote: > Did you ask your customer to recover from his backups? > Yes, of course you did. :-) "Back-what"? :) > This will probably apply to _any_ copying tool. For things > where dd fails, I often try dd_rescue and ddrescue As I said I tried "recoverdisk" (which is like ddrescue, but it's in base). > That's probably not directly possible. That's what I though; I just gave the ML a shot. >> The card should hold pictures, so I could go ahead with photorec once I >> got an even partial image. > > That is the recommended approach. Maybe you can already recover > a fraction of the images stored on the card. Tried that before posting; it finds nothing. To me it looks like I'm not even seeing the *first* 120 MB of the card. > There is another possibility, but it's actually _very_ hard > to do, and it's not guaranteed to work: > > Obtain an identical SD card. It has to be "as identical as > possible": same control unit, same memory unit, same firmware > revision (yes, there's "a whole computer with hard- and software" > on that thing!). Transplant the old memory chip to the new > card, removing its new memory chip (empty) beforehand. Then > try another identification. > > If it's a micro-SD card, don't inhale the chip. ;-) It's a micro-SD card and I'm not able to do this. Thanks anyway (to you and others who answered). bye av. 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For things > > where dd fails, I often try dd_rescue and ddrescue > > As I said I tried "recoverdisk" (which is like ddrescue, but it's in base). It suffers from the same problem as probably all tools will: System reports "end of medium", and that's it. :-( > >> The card should hold pictures, so I could go ahead with photorec once I > >> got an even partial image. > > > > That is the recommended approach. Maybe you can already recover > > a fraction of the images stored on the card. > > Tried that before posting; it finds nothing. > To me it looks like I'm not even seeing the *first* 120 MB of the card. That's quite possible. I assume the card is supposed to carry a FAT file system. For technical purposes, that file system doesn't have to begin at the _start_ of the memory unit. The controller might use several MB for internal use, such as "re-mapping" and "accounting", and the actual "payload" begins later - in an area that the controller does no longer present to the media interface. It sometimes helps to use a file viewer to check what's in the obtained image, or a hex dump. If you get only 0x00 bytes, it's even "worse than garbage", because garbage could mean something (like "mutilated former file content"). > > There is another possibility, but it's actually _very_ hard > > to do, and it's not guaranteed to work: > > > > Obtain an identical SD card. It has to be "as identical as > > possible": same control unit, same memory unit, same firmware > > revision (yes, there's "a whole computer with hard- and software" > > on that thing!). Transplant the old memory chip to the new > > card, removing its new memory chip (empty) beforehand. Then > > try another identification. > > > > If it's a micro-SD card, don't inhale the chip. ;-) > > It's a micro-SD card and I'm not able to do this. As I auggested, this approach takes a _lot_ of work (and very specific tools & skills), and you might end up with the same result you're seeing now... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 13:59:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF75151FD64 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEA66E5C5 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5DE55151FD55; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B86C151FD54 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp.rcn.com (smtp.rcn.com [69.168.97.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D01576E5BD for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=rcn.com; s=20180516; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@rcn.com; t=1551016741; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=NoPNxx/THBP4W0ykbARvJYMlm24=; b=cvb3TTBTBpyC5NJ1n/Lm5VcCl5NLLQUpovJa/m4vNiObJNHLpVftYKjdXAbqnsRF SeX8SW2IdvVy2Am75IVqkJ5OeJ01NZdvwrfpMN7uarKDz4Q4bGSC+Kww0aVnMmgc qcn329rYYQ1VRZbNplqdKcOSM5cMN1+o6sZtbcaFMJ9Hm9DrqS+miwy0oSySEym8 F8zV1fxeAHV/stP3bZJ6J6iLfPKUZj6PYBg1/hfe+IBXN4hGBbrU6bSQI6Ld7nk5 FXFU5GhjkL3o5ZiwgTTWt+tzIISzLKPAMEqAA7zX8vRojBDUUF1Xt+qjK7ozLmpu M7OKmz30dpY7ygd+ov3USQ==; X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=QcwkhYTv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:117 a=9TgA2UwI6Wy+6BV4wQM/cQ==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=XRQyMpdBKAEA:10 a=CFTnQlWoA9kA:10 a=48faUk6PgeAA:10 a=_FU_xlXesKcun6QZwf4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine X-Authed-Username: cm9iZXJ0aHVmZkByY24uY29t Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com header.from=roberthuff@rcn.com; sender-id=softfail Authentication-Results: smtp02.rcn.cmh.synacor.com smtp.user=roberthuff; auth=pass (PLAIN) Received: from [209.6.230.48] ([209.6.230.48:24573] helo=jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) by smtp.rcn.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPSA (cipher=AES256-GCM-SHA384) id FF/17-48547-423A27C5; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:59:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23666.41761.759191.463104@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:58:57 -0500 From: Robert Huff To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Cc: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: size of debug symbols In-Reply-To: References: <46040D79-BA05-43F5-9213-67094355B68A@cretaforce.gr> <23664.7723.844456.222198@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <23665.37618.281478.64929@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.1 (amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D01576E5BD X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.92 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.995,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.926,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 13:59:04 -0000 =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= writes: > > > What happens if you confine WITH_DEBUG=yes to /etc/src.conf? This > > > way it should only affect base unless I'm mistaken. > > I was a bit wrong, for base it's WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=yes. I'm not sure > if the same applies to localbase aka ports. See make.conf(5) and > src.conf(5). The latter describes among others, WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES. On my system - r334207 - it's only in src.conf, and the man page is ... imprecise ... about the consequemces of using it. "avoid building standalone debug files" - does that mean no files are built, or that there's some kind of unified file? And wouldn't the former make it impossible to debug non-kernel stuff in base? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 14:52:14 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53091150042F for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96226FF76 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8CB79150042E; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79E58150042D for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3DDB6FF74 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1OEq7gf037781 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:52:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x1OEq7vQ037778 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:52:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:52:06 +0100 (CET) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD Questions List Subject: Re: size of debug symbols In-Reply-To: <23666.41761.759191.463104@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Message-ID: References: <46040D79-BA05-43F5-9213-67094355B68A@cretaforce.gr> <23664.7723.844456.222198@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <23665.37618.281478.64929@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <23666.41761.759191.463104@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:52:14 -0000 On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:58-0500, Robert Huff wrote: > Trond Endrestøl writes: > > > > > What happens if you confine WITH_DEBUG=yes to /etc/src.conf? This > > > > way it should only affect base unless I'm mistaken. > > > > I was a bit wrong, for base it's WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=yes. I'm not sure > > if the same applies to localbase aka ports. See make.conf(5) and > > src.conf(5). The latter describes among others, WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES. > > On my system - r334207 - it's only in src.conf, and the man page > is ... imprecise ... about the consequemces of using it. "avoid > building standalone debug files" - does that mean no files are built, > or that there's some kind of unified file? And wouldn't the former > make it impossible to debug non-kernel stuff in base? Ever since WITH_DEBUG_FILES became the norm, I have set WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=yes in /etc/src.conf on some of my experimental VMs running head and stable/{11,12}. At $WORK I can afford the extra disk space. WITHOUT_DEBUG_FILES=yes leads to a normal build, but without most debug files. Kernel debug files will still be created and placed in /usr/lib/debug/boot/kernel during make installkernel. -- Trond. 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[50.243.4.3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v5sm2846347iof.39.2019.02.24.07.10.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:10:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C72B3FF.7020002@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:10:55 -0700 From: JD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9E43A7090E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=TkaCMo/e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jd1008@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jd1008@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.74 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.962,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.77)[ip: (-9.15), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.64), asn: 15169(-2.00), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:11:01 -0000 There is a free utility called testdisk. I used it to recover files from a dead drive that would not mount and would not re-format. I recovered about 200+GB of important files. On 02/23/2019 09:53 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 17:50:27 +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> A customer of mine gave me an SD card which is quite surely failing. > >From what you're describing, it _has_ failed already. ;-) > > > >> I'm trying to recover what I can. > Did you ask your customer to recover from his backups? > Yes, of course you did. :-) > > Okay, let's see: > > > >> I first tried using an USB based reader: altough the SD card should be >> 4GB in size, dd just copies 121MB. So does recoverdisk. > This will probably apply to _any_ copying tool. For things > where dd fails, I often try dd_rescue and ddrescue (two > different programs). They can lower the block size and > perform several retries, but that won't help as the device > reports "end of medium" at 121 MB. And you cannot read > beyond the end of medium. That particular information is > provided by the medium itself. > > > >> "camcontrol readcap /dev/da3" gives: >>> Last Block: 248319, Block Length: 512 bytes >> which agains means about 121MB. > This is "correct" according to what the card identifies as. > > > >> I put the card in another box and i get: >>> mmcsd0: 127MB >>> at mmc0 0.4MHz/4bit/65535-block > Above assumption is confirmed. > > > >> Is there any way I can get beyond this 121-127MB limit and read what I >> can of the rest? >> I looked into camcontrol's man page, but came up with no idea. > That's probably not directly possible. The media controller > (the "computer" on the SD card) has decided to turn itself > into a 127 MB card, for whatever reason. A _possible_ reason > is that the card is worn out, causing malfunctions. The same > happens to SSDs, but those usually turn into "read-only media" > to preserve the existing information. But for the price of > an SD card, you cannot expect this. > > > >> The card should hold pictures, so I could go ahead with photorec once I >> got an even partial image. > That is the recommended approach. Maybe you can already recover > a fraction of the images stored on the card. > > > > There is another possibility, but it's actually _very_ hard > to do, and it's not guaranteed to work: > > Obtain an identical SD card. It has to be "as identical as > possible": same control unit, same memory unit, same firmware > revision (yes, there's "a whole computer with hard- and software" > on that thing!). Transplant the old memory chip to the new > card, removing its new memory chip (empty) beforehand. Then > try another identification. > > If it's a micro-SD card, don't inhale the chip. ;-) > > As I mentioned, this is quite problematic, because the new > controlller might see a worn-out memory chip and act the same > as the old one. The firmware is closed source, so you don't > have a chance to _know_ how it will act. > > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 06:59:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BE71514A59 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A453892DD for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1O6xAKC091109 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:59:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <27081e0e-5aff-095e-f9ae-3144d2485966@netfence.it> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 07:59:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0A453892DD X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.16)[ip: (0.54), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.27), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.98)[0.985,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.910,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.35)[0.349,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 06:59:22 -0000 On 2/23/19 8:47 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Yet, out of desperation, I would try > what we did with failing printed circuit boards: put it for some time in > a freezer (say for 20-40 min), take it out and try to read again. Heat > moderately, I would say to about 90 C (for about 20-40 min), and try to > read it again. I'd be surprised if that worked, but I have nothing to lose I guess. > Next step is paid recovery services, with those stay away from the ones > who charge even for "taking a look", use only those who charge if they > recover most of the stuff. These will be expensive, expect to pay $500 - > $1000. Ask me off the list which ones I know are good just by someone's > I know experience. The cases I know of were hard drives, but some of > them may work with Flash devices as well. I've used such services in the past and I know a good one here in Italy. I'll ask my customer, of course, but I don't think she's willing to pay such an amount. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 14:34:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B443E1520B6B for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8BD6F7E3 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:34:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (adsl-108-68-160-152.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.160.152]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D878D718047 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:34:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <16fe9803-9978-df84-7534-d46803e8e08d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:34:49 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DB8BD6F7E3 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.75)[-0.753,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.38)[0.379,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.79)[0.794,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 14:34:52 -0000 On 2/23/19 6:46 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 23 Feb 2019, at 13:50, Bruce Ferrell wrote: >> Unfortunately flash memory "wears out". There are spare storage blocks and logic to level wear by switching th the spares when main block failures are detected. > > Yeah, that’s good theory, but it’s not what has happened with mine. Genrally they fail in the first few weeks. Even if it takes longer, it is not like they have been written and rewritten many times. This isn’t a wear issue, it is an "SD Cards Break easily" issue. > With all statements like that I would really like to hear at least the following about failed devices: 1. brand and model of device that failed on you 2. the source (vendor) you got the device from The truth is that there is lot of garbage that is manufactured and sold, and flash cards are the ones that have really gross difference between good (proper) ones and bad ones. Finite number of write operations is in specifications od flash memory. Fatal failure after short use is not, and is an indication of garbage device. Another example in the same lines would be rechargeable batteries (specifically: 16340 LiPo were the ones I was getting for myself recently, and it took me quite some effort to pick the good ones - knocking on wood). Now, I use and used in my car camera (read: written and overwritten all the time I drive), no failures: 1. High grade Samsung 128GB 100MB/s (U3) MicroSD EVO Select; 2. This one I do not consider the best, but it survived at least 6 years of use in car camera: Micro Center class 10 Micro SD (32 GB) So, instead of generalizing, I would really like to hear the detailed information about _failed_ devises Just my $0.02 Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 10:11:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D711519A10 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asv@inhio.net) Received: from cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.net (mail.inhio.net [178.238.36.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6628E2FA for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:11:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asv@inhio.net) Received: from titanio (titanio.inhio.net [10.0.0.21]) by cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91C7E2D1DE for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 11:11:07 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <98749ba3046b58a8cba54e6befb976d82d45f900.camel@inhio.net> Subject: CARP auth not working on 11.2-RELEASE-p9 From: ASV To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 11:10:57 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-VIQsltu82BlZDOTVEB5B" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1A6628E2FA X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of asv@inhio.net designates 178.238.36.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asv@inhio.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inhio.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.inhio.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.857,0]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24971, ipnet:178.238.32.0/20, country:CZ]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.73)[ip: (-9.91), ipnet: 178.238.32.0/20(-4.96), asn: 24971(-3.85), country: CZ(0.07)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 10:11:20 -0000 --=-VIQsltu82BlZDOTVEB5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning to you all, I'm experiencing an annoying issue with the new CARP implementation (changed since FBSD 10+) on two identical FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 servers. Here the configuration strings in /etc/rc.conf (password same lenght and type but modified): SRV1: "inet vhid 1 advskew 0 pass add44c97ec0dcd4568b63770c1fe11ef alias 10= .2.2.130/32" SRV2: "inet vhid 1 advskew 100 pass add44c97ec0dcd4568b63770c1fe11ef alias = 10.2.2.130/32" --- IFCONFIG OUTPUT SRV1: vtnet0: flags=3D8943 metric= 0 mtu 1500 options=3D6c07bb = =20 ether 1e:44:d1:79:bb:2e hwaddr 1e:44:d1:79:bb:2e inet 10.2.2.134 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 10.2.3.255 inet 10.2.2.130 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.2.2.130 vhid 1 nd6 options=3D29 media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T status: active carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 0 SRV2: vtnet0: flags=3D8943 metric= 0 mtu 1500 options=3D6c07bb ether 02:ec:50:e2:9c:16 hwaddr 02:ec:50:e2:9c:16 inet 10.2.2.128 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 10.2.3.255=20 inet 10.2.2.130 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.2.2.130 vhid 1=20 nd6 options=3D29 media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T status: active carp: BACKUP vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 100 As I did't enable the preemption I'm testing the failover manually and it works well just as connectivity to the service IP .130. Everything works very well BUT authentication! As I've read around some apparent issues with passwords longer than 32 chars and I remember years back having troubles with a similar issue for a redundant PBX setup, I've tested different kind of passwords: - 8-10 chars random wiht special chars - 8 chars random no special chars - 8 chars only letters (big/small) - 8 chars only letters (no capitals) - no password at all The result is always the same. Therefore, having in production 2 PFsense clusters at their latest version (2.4.4-RELEASE powered by FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p6) I've been digging a bit more and I've realised that CARP authentication works on the PFsense cluster. I've dissected the advertisement packets on both, sanitizing with "--" the public IP addresses present in the packets, and here is what I see: ___________________________________________________________________________= _____________________ --- Packet on FreeBSD, fields of interest between squared brackets 22:57:50.622956 IP 10.2.2.128 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid= 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 0x0000: 45 10 00 38 00 00 40 00 ff [70] 8e b1 [0a 02 02 80] E..8.= .@..p...... 0x0010: [e0 00 00 12] [21] 01 64 07 [00] 01 8c 06 -- -- -- -- ...= .!.d......... 0x0020: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- .........= ....... 0x0030: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ........ 70 =3D Protocol VRRP 0a 02 02 80 =3D Source IP Address e0 00 00 12 =3D Destination IP Address 21 =3D VRRP version 2 00 =3D Auth Type: NO AUTHENTICATION --- Packet on PFsense, fields of interest between squared brackets 23:14:19.556562 IPv4 (0x0800), length 60: XX.XX.XX.XX > 224.0.0.18: VRRPv2,= Advertisement, vrid 101, prio 105, authtype simple, intvl 3s, length 20 0x0000: 45 c0 00 28 00 00 00 00 ff [70] 56 20 [-- -- -- --] E..(.= ....pV..... 0x0010: [e0 00 00 12] [21] 65 69 01 [01] 03 ce ff -- -- -- -- ...= .!ei......... 0x0020: [6e 4f 63 6e 4f 63 00 00] 00 00 00 00 00 00 nOcnOc..= ...... 70 =3D Protocol VRRP -- -- -- -- =3D Source IP Address e0 00 00 12 =3D Destination IP Address 21 =3D VRRP version 2 01 =3D Auth Type: Simple Text Authentication [RFC 2338] / Reserved [RFC 376= 8] (1) 6e 4f 63 6e .... =3D Auth string: nOcnOc ___________________________________________________________________________= _____________________ The output is quite clear, the FreeBSD packets are not using any authentication while the PFsense do and I'd love to know why. :) The related FreeBSD documentation in the handbook doesn't go into the details at any time (https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/carp.html) therefore it's better to get the info from who actually wrote the tool. On OpenBSD FAQ pages there's much more:=20 https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html and in the specific, under "CARP Operation: "In order to prevent a malicious user on the network segment from spoofing CARP advertisements, each group can be configured with a password. Each CARP packet sent to the group is then protected by an SHA1 HMAC." This should be most likely a modified version of the one specified in RFC2338 which states MD5-HMAC but that's another story as CARP is a re- writing of VRRP (to my understanding), moreover the RFC is very old and MD5 is no longer considered secure, so that's good. About the password type/lenght limitation no mention anywhere: https://man.openbsd.org/carp https://man.openbsd.org/ifconfig.8#CARP https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Difconfig&sektion=3D8&apropos=3D= 0&manpath=3DFreeBSD+12.0-RELEASE+and+Ports https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=3Dcarp&apropos=3D0&sektion=3D0&ma= npath=3DFreeBSD+12.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=3Ddefault&format=3Dhtml Am I missing something trivial? Any hint would be highly appreciated. I have no clue. Thanks QUOTING SOME RFC REFERENCE The RFC3798 doesn't even mention "authentication". So let's talk only about= RFC2338 which has 1 related chapter, the 10th. 10. Security Considerations .......... The protocol includes several authentication methods ranging from no authentication, simple clear text passwords, and strong authentication using IP Authentication with MD5 HMAC. .......... 10.1 No Authentication The use of this authentication type means that VRRP protocol exchanges are not authenticated. This type of authentication SHOULD only be used in environments were there is minimal security risk and little chance for configuration errors (e.g., two VRRP routers on a LAN). 10.2 Simple Text Password The use of this authentication type means that VRRP protocol exchanges are authenticated by a simple clear text password. .......... 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YMMV. That is correct. But in this specific case, I assume it is about a micro-SD card used in a camera or a smartphone, initialized with FAT filesystem. There are further optimizations to reduce writes for flash-based media and SSDs that can be applied by FreeBSD. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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There are spare storage = blocks and logic to level wear by switching th the spares when main = block failures are detected. >> Yeah, that=E2=80=99s good theory, but it=E2=80=99s not what has = happened with mine. Genrally they fail in the first few weeks. Even if = it takes longer, it is not like they have been written and rewritten = many times. This isn=E2=80=99t a wear issue, it is an "SD Cards Break = easily" issue. >=20 > With all statements like that I would really like to hear at least the = following about failed devices: >=20 > 1. brand and model of device that failed on you Various brands. The most recent were SanDisk and Samsung. > 2. the source (vendor) you got the device from Microcenter or Amazon. > 1. High grade Samsung 128GB 100MB/s (U3) MicroSD EVO Select; The Samsung that failed after about six months (written to once, read = maybe 100 times) was a 32GB EVOplus 80MB/s 20MB/s microSD. I don=E2=80=99t= have the SanDisk one anymore, but it was also a 32GB with similar = specs. Both decided one day they were 32MB storage devices. The SanDisk = at least had the decency to do it when it was being formatted. > 2. This one I do not consider the best, but it survived at least 6 = years of use in car camera: Micro Center class 10 Micro SD (32 GB) I tend not to buy store brands, but I think SanDisk makes the cards for = Microcenter=E2=80=99s house brand. > So, instead of generalizing, I would really like to hear the detailed = information about _failed_ devises Too many for me to have kept close track of. They generally fail faster = than I expect, but some seem to last forever. 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[outlook.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 12:45:51 -0000 FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p3 Ever since updating to FreeBSD 12, I have been seeing warning/error messages similar to the following: Feb 24 07:05:31 scorpio dhclient[84035]: send_packet: No buffer space avail= able I am not sure if this is serious or if I should even be worried about it. It never happened until I updated to version 12. At times if will appear during boot-up also, although it normally appears after the machine has been running for a while. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 19:45:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5CC1508EC3 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:45:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) Received: from mailrelay114.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay114.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.20.141]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "relay.skynet.be", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6144E83CF0 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:45:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@freebsd.org) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DWAgDb8nJc/99MQFdlHAEBAQQBAQc?= =?us-ascii?q?EAQGBVAQBAQsBAYICVhFQASASJ4QHiHmKdgEBggw1AUaIMXmPcyiEUQKDfSM?= =?us-ascii?q?3Bg0BAwEBAgEBAm0cDEIBEAGEdwEFIzMjEAsYAgIFIQICDxIYHgYTgyGBWgM?= =?us-ascii?q?ZqlyBL4QvAYNHDYEQgQ6BC4tUgX+BEYJdNYJXRwKBYYMKglcCigCIL5B3Mwm?= =?us-ascii?q?HPodlgzElgkmQRi2RHoJFilAigVZNMAiDJwmCHhiKPINjPgMwhSeKZAEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2DWAgDb8nJc/99MQFdlHAEBAQQBAQcEAQGBVAQBAQsBA?= =?us-ascii?q?YICVhFQASASJ4QHiHmKdgEBggw1AUaIMXmPcyiEUQKDfSM3Bg0BAwEBAgEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?m0cDEIBEAGEdwEFIzMjEAsYAgIFIQICDxIYHgYTgyGBWgMZqlyBL4QvAYNHD?= =?us-ascii?q?YEQgQ6BC4tUgX+BEYJdNYJXRwKBYYMKglcCigCIL5B3MwmHPodlgzElgkmQR?= =?us-ascii?q?i2RHoJFilAigVZNMAiDJwmCHhiKPINjPgMwhSeKZAEB?= Received: from 223.76-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([87.64.76.223]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2019 20:44:59 +0100 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1OJixLl005699; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:44:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tijl@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:44:58 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?VMSzbA==?= Coosemans To: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: what causes Clang to use libgcc_s.so in FreeBSD 12.0-R linker Message-ID: <20190224204458.5652577c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> In-Reply-To: <14887cbb-a6ef-c6ac-f7b2-2d91e4c72351@gmail.com> References: <14887cbb-a6ef-c6ac-f7b2-2d91e4c72351@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6144E83CF0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.99 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5432, ipnet:195.238.0.0/19, country:BE] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:45:02 -0000 On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:31:46 -0800 "Jin Guojun[VFF]" wrote: > Following CC command used for build a shared library that worked on all=20 > FreeBSD releases before 12-R. >=20 > The -v CC option shows that linker indeed involves libgcc and gcc_s=20 > somehow, but no -static option was shown. Not clear what the error=20 > message implies. Also, none of these source code has GNU stuff in it and= =20 > what linker tried to do with gcc libraries? >=20 > Is something changed for building shared libraries under 12-R? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -Jin >=20 >=20 > FBSD12:=C2=A0 cc -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so=20 > c_array.so calibrate.so colortog > .so c_map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so=20 > fits_io.so fourier.so gaussian > .so glb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so=20 > libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libp > pm1.so libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so=20 > q_sort.so rotate90.so t_co > nsum.so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so=20 > quantto8.so sub_mean.so zalloc.s > o vfft3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so=20 > dicm_h.so dir_unix.so eget_ws > z.so gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so=20 > sock_cnct.so sock_init.so s > ock_subr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so=20 > zreopen.so pip_read.so | tsort > ` >=20 > /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object=20 > /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so > /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object=20 > /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so > cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocati= on) > *** Error code 1 (ignored) >=20 > FBSD12: cc -v -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so=20 > c_array.so calibrate.so colortog.so c > _map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so fits_io.so=20 > fourier.so gaussian.so g > lb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so=20 > libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libppm1.s > o libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so=20 > q_sort.so rotate90.so t_consum. > so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so quantto8.so=20 > sub_mean.so zalloc.so vff > t3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so dicm_h.so=20 > dir_unix.so eget_wsz.so > gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so=20 > sock_cnct.so sock_init.so sock_s > ubr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so zreopen.so=20 > pip_read.so | tsort` > FreeBSD clang version 6.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_601/final 335540) (based on=20 > LLVM 6.0.1) > Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.0 > Thread model: posix > InstalledDir: /usr/bin > =C2=A0"/usr/bin/ld" --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1= =20 > --hash-style=3Dboth --enable-ne > w-dtags -o libccs.so /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o= =20 > -L/usr/lib -r pip_read. > so zreopen.so u_db.so tv_empty.so table_if.so rast_r.so parsargu.so=20 > piperead.so private.so ip-hd > r.so gif_r.so eget_wsz.so dir_unix.so dicm_h.so checksum.so buffernw.so=20 > c_map1.so vfft_2p.so sub > _mean.so to_8.so to_sep.so dbg_memsz.so time-out.so tv_random.so=20 > t_consum.so pgm_r.so pict_r.so > ln2argv.so libppm3.so libppm1.so libpgm1.so libpbm2.so libpbm.so=20 > io_ready.so icc_r.so histgram.s > o glb_vars.so gaussian.so fits_io.so filter_f.so eta.so dbvfft3d.so=20 > colort90.so c_map.so colorto > g.so calibrate.so c_array.so arg_vc.so avail_type.so tvmath.so=20 > swap_all.so sock_init.so sock_cnc > t.so vfft3d.so quantto8.so rotate90.so q_sort.so libpbm1.so libpbm4.so=20 > fourier.so sock_subr.so c > _to_c.so zalloc.so errors.so message.so -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s=20 > --no-as-needed -lc -lgcc --as- > needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o > /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object=20 > /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so > /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object=20 > /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so > cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocati= on) I'm not really sure what you are trying to do. You are using -Wl,-r which suggest you want to combine multiple object files into a single object file. Normally the extension .o is used for object files but you are using .so, which is normally used for libraries. Then the output is named libccs.so which suggests you want to create a library. It's confusing. If you want to combine object files you should not use cc, but ld: ld -r -o libccs.so ... If you want to create a shared library use this: cc -shared -o libccs.so ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 22:14:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31680150F371 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:14:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AE08B8DA for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (adsl-108-68-160-152.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.160.152]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A89718049 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:14:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> <16fe9803-9978-df84-7534-d46803e8e08d@kicp.uchicago.edu> <3BA6830C-BFA0-47C3-A77D-22DFA581045C@kreme.com> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 16:14:00 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3BA6830C-BFA0-47C3-A77D-22DFA581045C@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 56AE08B8DA X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.75)[-0.747,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.33)[0.330,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.74)[0.745,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 22:14:07 -0000 On 2/24/19 1:17 PM, @lbutlr wrote: > On 24 Feb 2019, at 07:34, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> On 2/23/19 6:46 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >>> On 23 Feb 2019, at 13:50, Bruce Ferrell wrote: >>>> Unfortunately flash memory "wears out". There are spare storage blocks and logic to level wear by switching th the spares when main block failures are detected. >>> Yeah, that’s good theory, but it’s not what has happened with mine. Genrally they fail in the first few weeks. Even if it takes longer, it is not like they have been written and rewritten many times. This isn’t a wear issue, it is an "SD Cards Break easily" issue. >> >> With all statements like that I would really like to hear at least the following about failed devices: >> >> 1. brand and model of device that failed on you > > Various brands. The most recent were SanDisk and Samsung. Thanks for information. SanDisk in my observation declined in quality some 5-6 years ago, I'm staying away from it since. Samsung is big surprise for me. > >> 2. the source (vendor) you got the device from > > Microcenter or Amazon. Amazon is where you can hit any sort of actual vendor... but unless you device is by good manufacturer and not counterfeit, I would consider Amazon as good as brick and mortar stores (MicroCenter one of them). > >> 1. High grade Samsung 128GB 100MB/s (U3) MicroSD EVO Select; > > The Samsung that failed after about six months (written to once, read maybe 100 times) was a 32GB EVOplus 80MB/s 20MB/s microSD. I don’t have the SanDisk one anymore, but it was also a 32GB with similar specs. Both decided one day they were 32MB storage devices. The SanDisk at least had the decency to do it when it was being formatted. This is big surprise for me. I guess my statistics with Samsung Micro SD card is not as big as yours, and I was just lucky so far. > >> 2. This one I do not consider the best, but it survived at least 6 years of use in car camera: Micro Center class 10 Micro SD (32 GB) > > I tend not to buy store brands, but I think SanDisk makes the cards for Microcenter’s house brand. Yes, and mine were that old before I noticed SanDisk decline in quality (but maybe my observation about that is wrong). > >> So, instead of generalizing, I would really like to hear the detailed information about _failed_ devises > > Too many for me to have kept close track of. They generally fail faster than I expect, but some seem to last forever. When one fails I normally try a bit to recover it, then bin it and pull out another one. > Yes, thanks again for all this information. My own statistics doesn't seem to be as big as yours, and I must have been lucky, or maybe the way I choose has some effect on it: I usually am trying to get references of reliability people make, and usually end up buying almost most expensive in a group with the same specs. It is like in what I was saying about other computer equipment: price grabber is your enemy. Thanks. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 24 19:10:22 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F92F150802C for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02C44828F1 for ; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.28.147]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MKKd7-1gjKj71baB-00LjtO; Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:10:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 20:10:18 +0100 From: Polytropon To: JD Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card Message-Id: <20190224201018.a45fc325.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5C72B3FF.7020002@gmail.com> References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C72B3FF.7020002@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:s8bea+kPP278seMJ4G6wpS0JJ3KnJlJKOpcDwf+gb/qUBEjWxN1 5x82kbgujkIfrq/R91VayGyxUMdXKaz6SuuZyw+RKftIH4OS5/2x74442chSqUMCfkd5uI5 psJmZLeaQaQZlAnea23wl9aXhwoJelu2qSmhGb7H7aPE7UJcGmbtUq9DVcHeEf0si0czP7u EpPvtEF9S10bEJq/K4sgg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:qjbCuVXx2zI=:QdoVFrF6zBsnWan+1yQyXD WFnUsrLldJL/jdQbwEZmElnLMtfgfU7yhX0jPFIBnIQMbe0CpgXpJEPeIivjD1P8tCfOiJm69 fp2D6lf4JZWPTNN3jyO1WU7GCl2Mv8kPTX4kiXaNNRyx7dGMh+y+ecVdlf1cz5eb8bn4Oajnn NmF0PbZ9vcluIEh6fWhFG6Sn7kWBZ5EpN/p1k3qjOTEo5IHWCtxqGKYPSGZ/VaXuRsCwMXXTL hzsA1c1RM2gJG3+/VF+T8jLHY7V/pPp5AJ9kh6hepaAEks//KsZH3xe7nEDXoF8Xd91FZ/yUZ NrSWWtWp4+9Hz8AGKomF7Su8ABhW0NthvXvJSKUgQAn3qcynX+7/uagdhaLOzkEVNw7vzH7FG Np/k1hOd6Qg0BD9jftk29UbMmiNgWMNIGlOjtCeiIL7CiD/egULgYdihcrYMm9lg2cXdEKVOt pgtRVRz9muvRr9TBa9+C2fBmPKlssoggmroKYpUtecky57Thhz1bPzB44pSHYmyZstWqoENad NPOVV8fCy5it9/dokVvkrtL0H1QXj6hueqSUrOZIzJn16V6WOLLIIZ4hAhPCiTHgQzg6xPe29 Yz0QEcWL9WahRMKERYlUZzxSDGakmE7mD8pl4yBV7sVF/h1zLHp8zxJCo5SVJ7RWpuWnypYV6 izbP2JKD/X5cZdxIjPI96laARCOWBnRFZI1n3gE0E4U06X3aS++dODa+u3vM6l+e4qBVtkUAG KJgzEg+Uy72s0/+UZ6OSyG/nD6JEGLX2GjcNqGwZGEpRo1g71UoU663n+LE= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 02C44828F1 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[147.28.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.54)[0.544,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.97)[0.973,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.927,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[13.17.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.20)[ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.84), asn: 8560(1.87), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 19:10:22 -0000 On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 08:10:55 -0700, JD wrote: > There is a free utility called testdisk. > I used it to recover files from a dead drive that would not mount > and would not re-format. > I recovered about 200+GB of important files. I've been using testdisk was well, but in this specific case, it wouldn't help. All those tools rely on the OS performing the (block) I/O operations, and if the device says "end of medium", they stop and never reach the _actual_ data which might or might not (!) still be there somewhere in the memory chip, guarded by the card's controller. There are even more sophisticated recovery tools (refer to my "big important list of recovery tools" posted occassionally on this list), but I fear none of them would be any help here. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[162.239.0.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e125sm3604552oia.18.2019.02.24.15.45.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:45:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: what causes Clang to use libgcc_s.so in FreeBSD 12.0-R linker To: =?UTF-8?Q?T=c4=b3l_Coosemans?= Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <14887cbb-a6ef-c6ac-f7b2-2d91e4c72351@gmail.com> <20190224204458.5652577c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" Message-ID: <9d121114-8360-d93c-f86c-4d59611e303b@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 15:45:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190224204458.5652577c@kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D8D3B8E83E X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ksebdBHm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jguojun@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jguojun@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.28 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.80)[-0.799,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[libgcc_s.so]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[ip: (4.42), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.65), asn: 15169(-2.00), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.189,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2019 23:45:56 -0000 On 02/24/19 11:44, Tijl Coosemans wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:31:46 -0800 "Jin Guojun[VFF]" > wrote: >> Following CC command used for build a shared library that worked on all >> FreeBSD releases before 12-R. >> >> The -v CC option shows that linker indeed involves libgcc and gcc_s >> somehow, but no -static option was shown. Not clear what the error >> message implies. Also, none of these source code has GNU stuff in it and >> what linker tried to do with gcc libraries? >> >> Is something changed for building shared libraries under 12-R? >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Jin >> >> >> FBSD12:  cc -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so >> c_array.so calibrate.so colortog >> .so c_map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so >> fits_io.so fourier.so gaussian >> .so glb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so >> libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libp >> pm1.so libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so >> q_sort.so rotate90.so t_co >> nsum.so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so >> quantto8.so sub_mean.so zalloc.s >> o vfft3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so >> dicm_h.so dir_unix.so eget_ws >> z.so gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so >> sock_cnct.so sock_init.so s >> ock_subr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so >> zreopen.so pip_read.so | tsort >> ` >> >> /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object >> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so >> /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object >> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so >> cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) >> *** Error code 1 (ignored) >> >> FBSD12: cc -v -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so >> c_array.so calibrate.so colortog.so c >> _map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so fits_io.so >> fourier.so gaussian.so g >> lb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so >> libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libppm1.s >> o libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so >> q_sort.so rotate90.so t_consum. >> so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so quantto8.so >> sub_mean.so zalloc.so vff >> t3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so dicm_h.so >> dir_unix.so eget_wsz.so >> gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so >> sock_cnct.so sock_init.so sock_s >> ubr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so zreopen.so >> pip_read.so | tsort` >> FreeBSD clang version 6.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_601/final 335540) (based on >> LLVM 6.0.1) >> Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.0 >> Thread model: posix >> InstalledDir: /usr/bin >>  "/usr/bin/ld" --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 >> --hash-style=both --enable-ne >> w-dtags -o libccs.so /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o >> -L/usr/lib -r pip_read. >> so zreopen.so u_db.so tv_empty.so table_if.so rast_r.so parsargu.so >> piperead.so private.so ip-hd >> r.so gif_r.so eget_wsz.so dir_unix.so dicm_h.so checksum.so buffernw.so >> c_map1.so vfft_2p.so sub >> _mean.so to_8.so to_sep.so dbg_memsz.so time-out.so tv_random.so >> t_consum.so pgm_r.so pict_r.so >> ln2argv.so libppm3.so libppm1.so libpgm1.so libpbm2.so libpbm.so >> io_ready.so icc_r.so histgram.s >> o glb_vars.so gaussian.so fits_io.so filter_f.so eta.so dbvfft3d.so >> colort90.so c_map.so colorto >> g.so calibrate.so c_array.so arg_vc.so avail_type.so tvmath.so >> swap_all.so sock_init.so sock_cnc >> t.so vfft3d.so quantto8.so rotate90.so q_sort.so libpbm1.so libpbm4.so >> fourier.so sock_subr.so c >> _to_c.so zalloc.so errors.so message.so -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s >> --no-as-needed -lc -lgcc --as- >> needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o >> /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object >> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so >> /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object >> /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so >> cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) > I'm not really sure what you are trying to do. You are using -Wl,-r > which suggest you want to combine multiple object files into a single > object file. Normally the extension .o is used for object files but you > are using .so, which is normally used for libraries. Then the output is > named libccs.so which suggests you want to create a library. It's > confusing. > > If you want to combine object files you should not use cc, but ld: > ld -r -o libccs.so ... > > If you want to create a shared library use this: > cc -shared -o libccs.so ... This has been identified a toolchain bug: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=235896 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 25 07:23:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D93415005F8 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54C5D8052C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:23:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from guardian.ventu (2-234-63-131.ip221.fastwebnet.it [2.234.63.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1P7NOo6012633 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:23:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host 2-234-63-131.ip221.fastwebnet.it [2.234.63.131] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <20190224055321.14e7e462.freebsd@edvax.de> <5C72B3FF.7020002@gmail.com> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 08:23:29 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5C72B3FF.7020002@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 54C5D8052C X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.32 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ip: (0.52), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.26), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.957,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.32)[0.325,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 07:23:49 -0000 On 2/24/19 4:10 PM, JD wrote: > There is a free utility called testdisk. That's the first thing I tried after recoverdisk (before realizing only a small part of the SD was transferred), but it's useless in this case. If I cannot get the data, I have no data to feed to testdisk. bye & Thanks av. 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I'm looking for an successor device with more or less the same technical specification: - 11.6" high res display (1024x768) - 4 GByte RAM - 2 CPU, each 1.4 GHz - 256 GByte SSD - Wifi (supported in CURRENT) - Touchpad, USB 3.0, HDMI Any ideas or proposals to test? 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[outlook.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:10:12 -0000 On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:38:31 +0100, Matthias Apitz stated: >Hello, > >I'm using since 2015 an Acer C720 laptop/netbook which works very >nicely with FreeBSD (thanks to the work of Michael, cc'ed). I'm >looking for an successor device with more or less the same technical >specification: > >- 11.6" high res display (1024x768) >- 4 GByte RAM >- 2 CPU, each 1.4 GHz >- 256 GByte SSD >- Wifi (supported in CURRENT) >- Touchpad, USB 3.0, HDMI > >Any ideas or proposals to test? Thanks > > matthias Why limit RAM to a measly 4GB? If it is a 64 bit machine, that is like the bare minimum for it to work. Even my old laptop has 12 GB. --=20 Carmel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 25 15:31:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD6E150D863 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asv@inhio.net) Received: from cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.net (mail.inhio.net [178.238.36.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DF16B260 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asv@inhio.net) Received: from titanio (titanio.inhio.net [10.0.0.21]) by cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E02682D9FD for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:30:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1a47c9a86d170040e88a40849d2a0f73587cdb00.camel@inhio.net> Subject: Re: CARP auth not working on 11.2-RELEASE-p9 From: ASV To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:30:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <98749ba3046b58a8cba54e6befb976d82d45f900.camel@inhio.net> References: <98749ba3046b58a8cba54e6befb976d82d45f900.camel@inhio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 93DF16B260 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of asv@inhio.net designates 178.238.36.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=asv@inhio.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inhio.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.inhio.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.961,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.70)[ip: (-9.86), ipnet: 178.238.32.0/20(-4.93), asn: 24971(-3.80), country: CZ(0.07)]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24971, ipnet:178.238.32.0/20, country:CZ]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:31:12 -0000 Clarifications: - I know that the implementation on FreeBSD is not the same as the OpenBSD one (as I've been pointed out) - If the authentication is happening through SHA1-HMAC or else is not very important. - The crucial part is to understand if the authentication is working or not and if not is due to a configuration error or a bug. Created also a thread here: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/carp-auth-not-working-on-11-2-release-p9.69771/#post-418839 Thank you. On Sun, 2019-02-24 at 11:10 +0100, ASV wrote: > Good morning to you all, > I'm experiencing an annoying issue with the new CARP implementation > (changed since FBSD 10+) on two identical FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 > servers. > Here the configuration strings in /etc/rc.conf (password same lenght > and type but modified): > SRV1: "inet vhid 1 advskew 0 pass add44c97ec0dcd4568b63770c1fe11ef > alias 10.2.2.130/32" > SRV2: "inet vhid 1 advskew 100 pass add44c97ec0dcd4568b63770c1fe11ef > alias 10.2.2.130/32" > > --- IFCONFIG OUTPUT > SRV1: > vtnet0: flags=8943 > metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=6c07bb U,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,LRO,VLAN_HWTSO,LINKSTATE,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_I > PV6> > ether 1e:44:d1:79:bb:2e > hwaddr 1e:44:d1:79:bb:2e > inet 10.2.2.134 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 10.2.3.255 > inet 10.2.2.130 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.2.2.130 vhid > 1 > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T > status: active > carp: MASTER vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 0 > > SRV2: > vtnet0: flags=8943 > metric 0 mtu 1500 > options=6c07bb U,VLAN_HWCSUM,TSO4,TSO6,LRO,VLAN_HWTSO,LINKSTATE,RXCSUM_IPV6,TXCSUM_I > PV6> > ether 02:ec:50:e2:9c:16 > hwaddr 02:ec:50:e2:9c:16 > inet 10.2.2.128 netmask 0xfffffe00 broadcast 10.2.3.255 > inet 10.2.2.130 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.2.2.130 vhid > 1 > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet 10Gbase-T > status: active > carp: BACKUP vhid 1 advbase 1 advskew 100 > > As I did't enable the preemption I'm testing the failover manually > and > it works well just as connectivity to the service IP .130. > Everything works very well BUT authentication! > As I've read around some apparent issues with passwords longer than > 32 > chars and I remember years back having troubles with a similar issue > for a redundant PBX setup, I've tested different kind of passwords: > - 8-10 chars random wiht special chars > - 8 chars random no special chars > - 8 chars only letters (big/small) > - 8 chars only letters (no capitals) > - no password at all > > The result is always the same. Therefore, having in production 2 > PFsense clusters at their latest version (2.4.4-RELEASE powered by > FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p6) I've been digging a bit more and I've > realised > that CARP authentication works on the PFsense cluster. > I've dissected the advertisement packets on both, sanitizing with " > --" > the public IP addresses present in the packets, and here is what I > see: > > _____________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________ > --- Packet on FreeBSD, fields of interest between squared brackets > 22:57:50.622956 IP 10.2.2.128 > vrrp.mcast.net: VRRPv2, > Advertisement, vrid 1, prio 100, authtype none, intvl 1s, length 36 > 0x0000: 45 10 00 38 00 00 40 00 ff [70] 8e b1 [0a 02 02 > 80] E..8..@..p...... > 0x0010: [e0 00 00 12] [21] 01 64 07 [00] 01 8c 06 -- -- -- > -- ....!.d......... > 0x0020: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- ................ > 0x0030: -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > -- ........ > > 70 = Protocol VRRP > 0a 02 02 80 = Source IP Address > e0 00 00 12 = Destination IP Address > 21 = VRRP version 2 > 00 = Auth Type: NO AUTHENTICATION > > > --- Packet on PFsense, fields of interest between squared brackets > 23:14:19.556562 IPv4 (0x0800), length 60: XX.XX.XX.XX > 224.0.0.18: > VRRPv2, Advertisement, vrid 101, prio 105, authtype simple, intvl 3s, > length 20 > 0x0000: 45 c0 00 28 00 00 00 00 ff [70] 56 20 [-- -- -- -- > ] E..(.....pV..... > 0x0010: [e0 00 00 12] [21] 65 69 01 [01] 03 ce ff -- -- -- > -- ....!ei......... > 0x0020: [6e 4f 63 6e 4f 63 00 00] 00 00 00 00 00 > 00 nOcnOc........ > > 70 = Protocol VRRP > -- -- -- -- = Source IP Address > e0 00 00 12 = Destination IP Address > 21 = VRRP version 2 > 01 = Auth Type: Simple Text Authentication [RFC 2338] / Reserved [RFC > 3768] (1) > 6e 4f 63 6e .... = Auth string: nOcnOc > _____________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________ > The output is quite clear, the FreeBSD packets are not using any > authentication while the PFsense do and I'd love to know why. :) > The related FreeBSD documentation in the handbook doesn't go into the > details at any time (https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/carp.html) > therefore it's better to get the info from who actually wrote the > tool. > On OpenBSD FAQ pages there's much more: > https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html > and in the specific, under "CARP Operation: > > "In order to prevent a malicious user on the network segment from > spoofing CARP advertisements, each group can be configured with a > password. Each CARP packet sent to the group is then protected by an > SHA1 HMAC." > > This should be most likely a modified version of the one specified in > RFC2338 which states MD5-HMAC but that's another story as CARP is a > re- > writing of VRRP (to my understanding), moreover the RFC is very old > and > MD5 is no longer considered secure, so that's good. > > About the password type/lenght limitation no mention anywhere: > https://man.openbsd.org/carp > https://man.openbsd.org/ifconfig.8#CARP > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ifconfig&sektion=8&apropos=0&manpath=FreeBSD+12.0-RELEASE+and+Ports > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=carp&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+12.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html > > > Am I missing something trivial? > Any hint would be highly appreciated. I have no clue. > Thanks > > > QUOTING SOME RFC REFERENCE > > The RFC3798 doesn't even mention "authentication". So let's talk only > about RFC2338 which has 1 related chapter, the 10th. > 10. Security Considerations > .......... > The protocol includes several > authentication methods ranging from no authentication, simple > clear > text passwords, and strong authentication using IP Authentication > with MD5 HMAC. > .......... > > 10.1 No Authentication > > The use of this authentication type means that VRRP protocol > exchanges are not authenticated. This type of authentication > SHOULD > only be used in environments were there is minimal security risk > and > little chance for configuration errors (e.g., two VRRP routers on > a > LAN). > > 10.2 Simple Text Password > > The use of this authentication type means that VRRP protocol > exchanges are authenticated by a simple clear text password. > .......... > This type of authentication does not protect against > hostile attacks where the password can be learned by a node > snooping > VRRP packets on the LAN. > .......... > > 10.3 IP Authentication Header > The use of this authentication type means the VRRP protocol > exchanges > are authenticated using the mechanisms defined by the IP > Authentication Header [AUTH] using "The Use of HMAC-MD5-96 within > ESP > and AH", [HMAC]. > .......... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 25 15:41:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAADE150DC77 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from smh-06.1blu.de (smh-06.1blu.de [178.254.0.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E30AB6B88C for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [172.16.29.5] (helo=sh4-5.1blu.de) by smh-06.1blu.de with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gyINF-0004MO-H5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:40:57 +0100 Received: from ftp51246-2575596 by sh4-5.1blu.de with local (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gyINF-0008Vi-Ee for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:40:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 16:40:57 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mini-laptop / netbook for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20190225154057.GA20645@sh4-5.1blu.de> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190225143831.GA11653@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 12.0-CURRENT r314251 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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I'm > >looking for an successor device with more or less the same technical > >specification: > > > >- 11.6" high res display (1024x768) > >- 4 GByte RAM > >- 2 CPU, each 1.4 GHz > >- 256 GByte SSD > >- Wifi (supported in CURRENT) > >- Touchpad, USB 3.0, HDMI > > > >Any ideas or proposals to test? Thanks > > > > matthias > > Why limit RAM to a measly 4GB? If it is a 64 bit machine, that is like > the bare minimum for it to work. ... Yes, it should be amd64 (thanks for reminder). And No, 4 GByte is really enough. Mine has 4 GByte, runs KDE4 as desktop, with libroffice, FF 64.0, chromium, ... all fast and fine. $ dmesg | grep -i memory real memory = 4301258752 (4102 MB) avail memory = 1917239296 (1828 MB) [drm] Got stolen memory base 0x7ca00000, size 0x2000000 Have you a real proposal to say? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub October, 7 -- The GDR was different: Peace instead of Bundeswehr and wars, Druschba instead of Nazis, to live instead of to survive. 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And please, do think about this as a project... and a beginning of another era of computer security. Do know: This is just a proposition and still an idea and abstract concept. Here goes: Hello you developers and govs of BSD and Linux This is a proposal to a new security layer for *NIX systems Please do read and ponder if it will be doable? Could we create this "security mechanism" called ILLUSION with a security application suite called "The Matrix"? [ NONE REAL PRINCIPALS ARE INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT, PLEASE REFER TO TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION INSTEAD, THIS IS ONLY THE CONCEPT/IDEA. ] [ THE TECHNICAL TERMS AND DOCUMENTS WILL BE EMAILED LATER ]. Here it is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Matrix<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< A security suite program including the ILLUSION lock-mechanism Having utilities/tools such as websion <- localhost webbased configuration of the Matrix [ apache localhost port 1337 ] illcontrol <- ILLUSION control utility [ commands from console ] and tons of config files ILLUSIONd A service/daemon to govern security principals applied to localhost These principals arent documentated here, please think of them as: well kind of, internal OS-"firewall rules" Upon installing the Matrix a GUID will be automatically generated (yes such as in a database). This Guid is the password that is needed to inactivate the protection/disable the daemon With Matrix installed * Users are unable to break the security principals currently applied by admins of The Matrix Accounts and rights to the Matrix, it's utilities and functionalities * Mopheus: the root user installing the security suite (can shutdown with right guid, anytime). * Smith: >> Administrator of the "Illusion-lock-mechanism" and full access and use of its utilities >> Can temporaily disable the matrix for X seconds (being logged) but NOT uninstall it (ILLUSION is reenabled again, after a reboot). * Agent (in three levels) >> Agent Gold: >> full control of the software principal variables >> Can promote 1 user account on localhost to Neo >> Agent Silver: can customize and apply some of the security principals and create the "bronze agent". >> Agent Bronze: can APPLY FOR a change of security principals (which is then applied by gold agent) >> Agents cannot disable ILLUSION(d) * Neo >> Access custom rules withinin ILLUSION >> Accessable with webbrowser to localhost/apache * Someone: Regular user which is under the control of The Matrix and its ILLUSIONS (not Pwned yet) >> Can see being restricted in illusion and what way * Nobody >> Pwned by the ILLUSION of The Matrix, looks like every other system (well, it is not). This group of user accounts will see another netstat, ps-list, installed programs, another userslist, uptime, uname etc). Because the ILLUSION is setup that way and the admins wants the user handled by being restricted in such manner. Special Users: * INFILTRATOR >> Someone secret which can shutdown matrix instantly by having the password to CMOS >> Gets 3 password/GUID-guesses then the computer will LOG and shutdown * casper Being a "friendly holy ghost" having access to spectate everything within matrix security logs (Only spectate, realtime). * spook [ this user is an important "shadow" that should be impossible to find/spawn after the ILLUSION is up ] >> spook will be the spectator of the real and the ILLUSIONIZED system. In a ILLUSIONIZED system the users will be "seeing double": (meaning ps axu, uname, uptime and so on will be unhonest/inaccurate but look VERY authentic). The whole OS wont even be traced to being under the influence of ILLUSION, since The Matrix doesnt show if you havn't got the right clerance level * Tux is a user with access to the REAL ps axu/top/processlist. And can therefor see what PID The Matrix and its ILLUSIONd really has PID-Modes: This number are the PID of the Matrix. * 7 being a code for a possible hacker (matrix has sensed hostile present) * 1337 being a code for a healthy running Illusion system (everything works just fine) * ? will be the PID of the Matrix seen by the restricted users !But for Tux a special guest of honor, the real PID of ILLUSIONd will be seen! The daemon/illusiond can be shutdown with the "operator take me out of the matrix"-technique By: # kldunload ILLUSION --OAO (as in: over and out) Runninglevels: 1 Complicated >> The Matrix being a type of jail with a utility for management, it will be running as a daemon. 2 Sophisticated >> Having Illusion load with kldload and unload with kldunload 3 Spooky >> Booting this version of the kernel will always activate it's security principals (ILLUSION is the kernel). NOT undoable nor shutdownable 4 NULL >> Run it another way, have it your way Here are some special tricks: >> Putting Illusion in the Void-mode This will put ILLUSION in a state of trance, pausing it, for later operation (eat, sleep, rave. repeat). Can only be done with PID, GUID and Smith access. >> Workaround/Hack (using command KILLALL u need password to CMOS to just end the suffering of ILLUSION). # killall if CMOS has no password, this WONT work [END NOTE: Concerning CAPS-LOCK, well developers, have it your way]. [MORE TO COME: Everything ILLUSION will protect, see next document]. Thanks for your time and please ponder. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 00:43:46 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865A7151ACDA for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 00:43:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379E589FA7 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 00:43:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A742CD6BB for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 00:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1Q0henI027987 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:43:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x1Q0hebw027984 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:43:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:43:40 -0500 (EST) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mini-laptop / netbook for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20190225154057.GA20645@sh4-5.1blu.de> Message-ID: References: <20190225143831.GA11653@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20190225154057.GA20645@sh4-5.1blu.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:43:40 -0500 (EST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 379E589FA7 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.85 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.87)[ip: (7.62), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(3.81), asn: 11288(2.97), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.996,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[fledge2.watson.org,cyrus.watson.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 00:43:46 -0000 On Mon, 25 Feb 2019, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d?a Monday, February 25, 2019 a las 03:10:07PM +0000, Carmel NY escribi?: > >> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 15:38:31 +0100, Matthias Apitz stated: >> >> >Hello, >> > >> >I'm using since 2015 an Acer C720 laptop/netbook which works very >> >nicely with FreeBSD (thanks to the work of Michael, cc'ed). I'm >> >looking for an successor device with more or less the same technical >> >specification: >> > >> >- 11.6" high res display (1024x768) >> >- 4 GByte RAM >> >- 2 CPU, each 1.4 GHz >> >- 256 GByte SSD >> >- Wifi (supported in CURRENT) >> >- Touchpad, USB 3.0, HDMI >> > >> >Any ideas or proposals to test? Thanks >> > >> > matthias >> >> Why limit RAM to a measly 4GB? If it is a 64 bit machine, that is like >> the bare minimum for it to work. ... > > Yes, it should be amd64 (thanks for reminder). And No, 4 GByte is really > enough. Mine has 4 GByte, runs KDE4 as desktop, with libroffice, FF > 64.0, chromium, ... all fast and fine. > > $ dmesg | grep -i memory > real memory = 4301258752 (4102 MB) > avail memory = 1917239296 (1828 MB) > [drm] Got stolen memory base 0x7ca00000, size 0x2000000 > > Have you a real proposal to say? First it's really hard to impossible to say what is the best PC for FreeBSD. Just to take the most obvious one, if no wifi support is okay, your universe expands greatly Exotic video card could also be an issue although I personally have never had a problem there. Secondly depending on what you are doing maybe 4GB is enough except it is likely getting harder to find a 4GB system, unless you build your own. I have a lenovo ideapad 700 that I got strictly because 10.3 supported the wifi card. It has 8GB and 4 cores. When I am doing sysadmin stuff, say 10 xterms and email, the system uses less than 1.5GB. If I open gimp and libreoffice writer and maybe calc and decide I have to read an HTML email this uses 6+GB just sitting there with no real graphics work going. Still with no paging. I suspect if you did that with 4GB it might still be okay but I suspect you would have paging activity going. Still that may not matter if you use AC power all the time. My office workstation is a 16GB 8 core Dell something or another. I get the same response on the lenovo for so for me 8 is enough. But it really all depends on your workload. In general I agree get all the memory you can afford. A harder problem is UEFI support. I went through two systems I returned because a no option zfs FreeBSD only install overwrote something the first two (an HP and the Micro Center brand) needed to boot. 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I'm looking for an > successor device with more or less the same technical specification: > > - 11.6" high res display (1024x768) > - 4 GByte RAM > - 2 CPU, each 1.4 GHz added: amd64 > - 256 GByte SSD > - Wifi (supported in CURRENT) > - Touchpad, USB 3.0, HDMI > > Any ideas or proposals to test? Thanks These Acer C720, also called Chromebook, have been sold for around 200 Euro. I've bought two of them, and later one more as 2nd hand for half of this price. They could not boot any other OS, like Linux or FreeBSD, only CHromeOS. But the work of Michael and other made them to a general purpose netbook. Something in this direction I'm hunting for. matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub October, 7 -- The GDR was different: Peace instead of Bundeswehr and wars, Druschba instead of Nazis, to live instead of to survive. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 07:37:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36694150ED12 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 07:37:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 423C3701EB for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 07:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1Q7axtB074780 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 08:37:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: mini-laptop / netbook for FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190225143831.GA11653@sh4-5.1blu.de> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <74748c54-38bd-7df7-19a1-2fbf56045cbb@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 08:36:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 423C3701EB X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.46 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ip: (0.51), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.25), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.953,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.989,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.48)[0.480,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 07:37:30 -0000 On 2/25/19 4:10 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > Why limit RAM to a measly 4GB? If it is a 64 bit machine, that is like > the bare minimum for it to work. Even my old laptop has 12 GB. My laptop "works" fine (i.e. no paging) with 4GiB: I usually have XFCE, ThunderBird, some FireFox windows with several tabs, several terminals, some LibreOffice sheet, audacity, maybe okular. My desktop does the same: with 4GiB I occasionally had heavy swapping due to FireFox when I visited some "evily written" sites. I upgraded to 8GiB because I had the DIMM around, but still seldomly use that amount. Of course, YMMV. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 09:40:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924DF1513CE0 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6149575FB6 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:40:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1Q9eSxO084854 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:40:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> <1D49330E-F047-4F86-8F37-A54980624332@kreme.com> <16fe9803-9978-df84-7534-d46803e8e08d@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: <42f9903f-5ab8-526e-bd3d-c27229cd3597@netfence.it> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:40:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <16fe9803-9978-df84-7534-d46803e8e08d@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6149575FB6 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.15)[ip: (0.50), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.25), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.05)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.945,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.630,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.49)[0.490,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:40:38 -0000 On 2/24/19 3:34 PM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > With all statements like that I would really like to hear at least the > following about failed devices: > > 1. brand and model of device that failed on you > > 2. the source (vendor) you got the device from The card which lead to this tread should be a Transcend: I'm not 100% sure, because "Transcend" is only written on the micro-SD to SD adapter, not on the micro-SD itself. I don't know where my customer bought it, nor how long it took to fail and if it initially hinted about what was going to happen. I think it was only used in a camera. Speaking for myself: I had a Kingston (non micro-)SD, used for music in my car. Bought in 2010 from CDC (a now defunct Italian reseller), it failed in 2013: the car started skipping some songs; months later it started skipping whole albums. I guess I could have recovered all data (since failures were not systematic), but I had another copy, so didn't even try. When I tried reformatting it it gave SCSI errors. In Jan 2014, Kingston promptly replaced it and the new one has been working fine since. bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 15:59:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F9B151D738 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 15:59:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from albin.liden@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42d.google.com (mail-wr1-x42d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9640C8B4B6 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 15:59:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from albin.liden@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id r5so14523230wrg.9 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 07:59:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lk6SZ1iNgm5v3zNb9ppkR9KiTKPLmcVkKB5ktJ8gzDc=; b=RCEp0sFdKKXXAC07tqiPBdgJPIRxaSDDJz2dVDY+Mr72xGeyysYoicxXpqLjwYxe9g 5exY03CNVbnEOurTwnnGUtoQz0GXhG2ltbJ+zzucvv+Dn1stWtKWb+clRambg+29auMV lcV8PlPkBIjAEtdkHq0kNpNHfpho+B0JYwfHbjGIS4EidQvIJzS6EhgBE/9nNlolYLOt sdrZAGzxmqJuIJbRhCCeD9XITg/wNXKghSzWV10OUkEYM7kHAZV/Qu3rnK6K7a/uAD6H 9AtZXeZsPDsDYvoaPNhXKcH/9gzmn7ZCq31EitqGoOlr4KFwT5TerlbGceFV6ql06Eax adlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lk6SZ1iNgm5v3zNb9ppkR9KiTKPLmcVkKB5ktJ8gzDc=; b=rNtHV3hKcRTCmaOQCsJ1fAkki7YdAb+Uggat9ChgYmpKxs5ScUrXre+YEzJKokNIy8 9HoybiGSuQpUmLp4wovaOBN1lHyfa/s1GB399R5uF1W9A8N6riBm5vzE20GlKt6g9fdt vnovjAqUjq32VEYuWo+GnMNOqEmDupAXpR7SH8sWmwem6WrN9+VjsUrgWFMqoD4eORuT NuwtnrXCmNclOXRROcz4WRT/gf+hFgK/txSEluHLZ+04Ep2YGfI56DoSe+NVtWO9JL7P +dOpMK9pequ4GX6IEiCFeo+eX6YiKtHXot8RYgEutZGNh/eFHK5H9AwgXkFrgs+aiT05 3zFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZv+I9zyrCh3lV7W3F10YsAzDAKi+GyAdVqHT0LQzYjUocM/RMn 5h2udXnIyzLEvcSxZe/ZPcv4pVEGF67I4+Sf4P4df5QN X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IZekfkhKb0+ZRPElKcQCVxuQRo6ChiaSpT3AlYsFpXcJ1dezC+CvAxIMhsne3hwSb1rZne/qH2abAdiigtKanI= X-Received: by 2002:adf:b648:: with SMTP id i8mr16707742wre.319.1551196766581; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 07:59:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: =?UTF-8?B?QWxiaW4gTGlkw6lu?= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 16:59:16 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: ILLUSION part 2 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9640C8B4B6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RCEp0sFd; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of albinliden@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=albinliden@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.80 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.981,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.71), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.25), asn: 15169(-2.00), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[d.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 15:59:30 -0000 Howdi Please do forward this to the right team Here are some more ideas about ILLUSION. A little more specifics for The Matrix security suite Please check the first document/email before reading this (part 2) Some abstracts may be in collision course with first document Simply see this as a further explanation or clarification not the ultimate truth. This is still, more or less, a concept/idea. This means everything about this can be exchanged for something else especially if another functionality is better/wizer. Also, keep in mind that this is a concept NOT a technical implementaiton (programlanguage code) of any sort. Those details are left for the developers. And the interface of The Matrix are something for the GUI-designers of apache/localhostaccess for customizing The Matrix ----------->>The Matrix<<--------------- These are variables to an illusion system Accesslevels: Smith Root of Illusion, full control to everything, but cannot uninstall the matrix Agent with different degree, allowed full control of Illusion Examples of security principles being applied with illcontrol utility * Install sub illusion * Install backdoor * Install jail with warden * Install programs systemwide * Install SELinux * Install PAM * Install ACL * Put illusion into reset-mode Reset-mode will make a users=C2=B4s file and setting reset Admin may execute a instant reset or it can be scheduled Meaning everything is really read-only, But there seems to be write-access, That, is only an illusion however * Run symlinks from custom list * Install firewall * Install into Home/ using public libraries * Security setting of ONLY allowing appimages to be executed * Grant mounting options to various users and drives * Grant access to give other access to various * Give access to harddware * Give access/denial to change password for self/others * Give access/denial to root-bins located in /usr/sbin * Give custom chmod access to any other folder * Give shell access * Give command from psuedo-console (not shell): only execution of appimages or certain installed programs * Give read/write access to HOME * Give access to compile within home * Give access or denial to share a folder in /TMP with others * White/Black-list programs from running and modify files Agent adjusts the ILLUSION with the commandline program illcontrol USERS/Groups of users: * Neo May access custom control of illusion Accessable with HTTP to localhost Need webdesign and programming * Someone Can see ILLUSION is running May have info about what's possible or not during this state Access depending on configuration User is in a jail and so on, but is not a hoax system * User/Group: Nobody Put in a mode where ILLUSION is active Everything there is to a system will be shown in any manner adm likes A "spooky" environment, but user has no clue Admins can see users activities, log his actions Admins can put in fake binaries like showing another uname -a, uptime etc Implemented possibility of giving user Nobody a root account A Nobody may be granted a fake-root password with sudo But will not be able to escape a actual jail or understand it is a jail at all, seeing other files, other users and so on but everything is a illusion= . This jail will actually be in total domination of the admins/crew of the ILLUSION System may be altered in any spooky way adm likes But should always look alike a real system itself This fake mechanism will be based upon ILLUSIONs settings and configuration Having a function for the admins to on-the-fly hoax with the user Applying extra customizations for the Nobody user restrictions from the list above with all the examples of security locks. [MORE SECURITY SPECIFICS MAY BE INCLUDED, THESE ARE ONLY A PROPOSITION, NOT DEFINITE]. [PLEASE SEEK AN EXPERT IN UNIX/LINUX SECURITY FOR MORE POSSIBLE SECURITY IMPLEMENTATION FOR The Matrix] Thanks for listening, bye! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 18:04:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7BA15213A7 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91B7B6B4FD for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:00:51 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: Moving raw system image to another drive breaks GELI Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:00:43 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 91B7B6B4FD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.74 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.02)[-0.020,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.18)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(2.44), asn: 6939(-3.27), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.86)[-0.863,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.91)[0.912,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:04:26 -0000 freebsd-questions: I have a computer: 2019-02-26 09:50:14 dpchrist@ragnar ~ $ freebsd-version ; uname -a 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD ragnar 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb 5 15:30:36 UTC 2019 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I installed to a SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 16 GB flash drive: Partitioning Auto (ZFS) Pool Type/Disks stripe,da0 Pool Name zroot Force 4K Sectors YES Encrypt Disks YES Partition Scheme MBR (BIOS) Swap Size 2g Mirror Swap NO Encrypt Swap YES Install If I do a raw binary copy of the USB flash drive to a Intel 520 Series SSD 60 GB with dd(1) and boot the SSD, GELI rejects the passphrase and I end up at a "mountroot>" prompt. I would like to be able to move raw FreeBSD system images from drive to drive and have them work. Suggestions? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 18:53:51 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9311522CBE; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from vtr.rulingia.com (vtr.rulingia.com [IPv6:2001:19f0:5801:ebe:5400:1ff:fe53:30fd]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vtr.rulingia.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9828F6DBCC; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) Received: from server.rulingia.com (ppp59-167-167-3.static.internode.on.net [59.167.167.3]) by vtr.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1QIrd4x095583 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 27 Feb 2019 05:53:45 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@rulingia.com) X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.rulingia.com (localhost.rulingia.com [127.0.0.1]) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x1QIrXQq055100 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 27 Feb 2019 05:53:33 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter@server.rulingia.com) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.rulingia.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x1QIrXXW055099; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 05:53:33 +1100 (AEDT) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 05:53:33 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Michael Gmelin Subject: Re: mini-laptop / netbook for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20190226185333.GD6635@server.rulingia.com> References: <20190225143831.GA11653@sh4-5.1blu.de> <20190226053729.GA13605@sh4-5.1blu.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190226053729.GA13605@sh4-5.1blu.de> X-PGP-Key: http://www.rulingia.com/keys/peter.pgp User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:53:51 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-Feb-26 06:37:29 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: >These Acer C720, also called Chromebook, have been sold for around 200 Eur= o. >I've bought two of them, and later one more as 2nd hand for half of this >price. They could not boot any other OS, like Linux or FreeBSD, only >CHromeOS. But the work of Michael and other made them to a general >purpose netbook. Something in this direction I'm hunting for. There are a fairly wide range of Chromebooks still around. Most are now x86 based. ChromeOS is based on Linux so it may be possible to find the source for drivers for any hardware not supported by FreeBSD. I have no idea how difficult it is to install FreeBSD on an arbitrary Chromebook but Google state that they will remain "open" so you can unlock the bootloader and replace ChromeOS with something else. --=20 Peter Jeremy Typed on a Chromebook running ChromeOS --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEE7rKYbDBnHnTmXCJ+FqWXoOSiCzQFAlx1iy1fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEVF QjI5ODZDMzA2NzFFNzRFNjVDMjI3RTE2QTU5N0EwRTRBMjBCMzQACgkQFqWXoOSi CzSrzQ//bAUNQMnJbyP2/xeV5NdDHFhyrnHFZPbEiA2Bx/Ukm5dDlAl6rudS4i2o V3X8lJnjt0IaeuA7kTdvhFrNYjt7vSDqmWwenDA1vme/uOagXGF6eiSGqAnabQkT sWZpJ501dmv8R+05DIPp4w0IFpgQqsLseCMQMTp72kNQWBpRaSBP8/0qx65B6F3z vHWN9vpC/5F+e+kaWXWZZF+SowXsWYTwZAS193bikqou+nmJ4IXwZb2UUEiKVCpv qVScr7NjThP4LuzSjsQJEdk5y73kfGsSziqPrQ4bxBcJrCR9jN8um347ysiv05KT g7hd6a2HlaKZLxeOE5ZL8BVIyQgQkogZH5/DrkvmNRqohq91zJLj3z+nxA4p6+sT QiR1JRid2O5ffCrAsjBt8vPSfk99bLwYythSf5xf2nq0CrADSaFKLwoJKfphadQM Uv6xctih2Jy9NW0YO0bjIKYuFg3YqYQU2oTXGLjK8uqvDvCYm14BRm7NxH/2lFK8 in6mlW158+Z+R8+HQgW6xPD/hZoiAPvFz29vYXRB8Uqexp+PYNy9lW9+kAi10+xe YxiEB9XUFRZYGjMbYjMT1GMLPBfbWWQAqrjECXC6RTecFPG1AXjqie47vf4MrYRC NpO+DGMjV9bkns4SNhuK6Al+CnuDm9KV3gUVmeeyaOyiwTezqwM= =Do1L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 26 20:13:16 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E41AB1502463 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl (mailout4.ceti.pl [62.121.128.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F619713B8 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AE0C0552F04; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:13:05 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailout1.ceti.pl Received: from mailout4.ceti.pl ([62.121.128.44]) by localhost (mailout1.ceti.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AQwpJ+zTTBMz; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:12:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from tau1.ceti.pl (tau.ceti.pl [62.121.128.11]) by mailout4.ceti.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A27C0552F22; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:12:59 +0100 (CET) Received: by tau1.ceti.pl (Postfix, from userid 3727) id 778EB960E07; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:12:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:12:59 +0100 From: Tomasz Rola To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Recover failed SD card Message-ID: <20190226201259.GA7113@tau1.ceti.pl> References: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2341a9ac-42aa-737e-441f-b69cccc826c6@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 5F619713B8 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.91 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.917,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ceti.pl]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.60)[0.604,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: tau1.ceti.pl]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[44.128.121.62.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.19)[0.191,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rtomek@ceti.pl,rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15541, ipnet:62.121.128.0/20, country:PL]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rtomek@ceti.pl,rtomek@tau1.ceti.pl]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[country: PL(0.05)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:13:16 -0000 On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 05:50:27PM +0100, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > A customer of mine gave me an SD card which is quite surely failing. > I'm trying to recover what I can. > > I first tried using an USB based reader: altough the SD card should > be 4GB in size, dd just copies 121MB. So does recoverdisk. > "camcontrol readcap /dev/da3" gives: > >Last Block: 248319, Block Length: 512 bytes > which agains means about 121MB. > > I put the card in another box and i get: > >mmcsd0: 127MB at mmc0 0.4MHz/4bit/65535-block > > > > Is there any way I can get beyond this 121-127MB limit and read what > I can of the rest? Out of curiosity, a question: can you do "fdisk -l" on the said card? Or an equivalent to try displaying partition table. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. 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Thank you very much Guide us to The Straight Path From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 27 02:43:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C9F150CC86 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:43:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1CC887F2C for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:43:17 -0800 Subject: Re: Moving raw system image to another drive breaks GELI To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:43:13 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:43:23 -0000 On 2/26/19 10:00 AM, David Christensen wrote: > I have a computer: > > 2019-02-26 09:50:14 dpchrist@ragnar ~ > $ freebsd-version ; uname -a > 11.2-RELEASE-p9 > FreeBSD ragnar 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb  5 > 15:30:36 UTC 2019 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > I installed to a SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 16 GB flash drive: > >       Partitioning                      Auto (ZFS) >         Pool Type/Disks                 stripe,da0 >         Pool Name                       zroot >         Force 4K Sectors                YES >         Encrypt Disks                   YES >         Partition Scheme                MBR (BIOS) >         Swap Size                       2g >         Mirror Swap                     NO >         Encrypt Swap                    YES >         Install > > > If I do a raw binary copy of the USB flash drive to a Intel 520 Series > SSD 60 GB with dd(1) and boot the SSD, GELI rejects the passphrase and I > end up at a "mountroot>" prompt. > > > I would like to be able to move raw FreeBSD system images from drive to > drive and have them work. McKusick 2015 p. 214 states "GELI's metadata is found in the last sector of the underlying device or partition". Examine the slice/ partition tables for the USB flash drive: root@ragnar:~ # gpart show da0 da0s1 => 63 30031809 da0 MBR (14G) 63 1 - free - (512B) 64 30031808 1 freebsd [active] (14G) => 0 30031808 da0s1 BSD (14G) 0 4194304 1 freebsd-zfs (2.0G) 4194304 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 8388608 21643200 4 freebsd-zfs (10G) Examine the last sector of MBR primary partition 1, which is also the last sector of the drive: root@ragnar:~ # dd if=/dev/da0 skip=30031871 status=none | hexdump | tee usb-sector-30031871.hexdump 00000000 47 45 4f 4d 3a 3a 45 4c 49 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |GEOM::ELI.......| Examine the slice/ partition tables for the SSD: root@ragnar:~ # gpart show ada1 ada1s1 => 63 117231345 ada1 MBR (56G) 63 1 - free - (512B) 64 30031808 1 freebsd [active] (14G) 30031872 87199536 - free - (42G) => 0 30031808 ada1s1 BSD (14G) 0 4194304 1 freebsd-zfs (2.0G) 4194304 4194304 2 freebsd-swap (2.0G) 8388608 21643200 4 freebsd-zfs (10G) The last sector of MBR primary partition 1 contains the same binary data as that of the USB flash drive. root@ragnar:~ # dd if=/dev/ada1 skip=30031871 count=1 status=none | hexdump | tee ssd-sector-30031871.hexdump 00000000 47 45 4f 4d 3a 3a 45 4c 49 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |GEOM::ELI.......| Fetch a copy of the data: root@ragnar:~ # dd if=/dev/ada1 skip=30031871 count=1 of=last-block.bin 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.001179 secs (434316 bytes/sec) Write it to the last sector of the SSD: root@ragnar:~ # dd if=last-block.bin of=/dev/ada1 seek=117231407 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes transferred in 0.012096 secs (42327 bytes/sec) Power down, remove USB flash drive, boot SSD -- GELI still broken. Ideas? 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I found some references to "secure_getenv [...] broken" in 2013, but nothing since. Am I missing something? TIA Michael PS: no, this is not a roundabout way of asking *for* this function :-) -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 27 10:31:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3901518B0F for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 10:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@charlestondigitalfirm.com) Received: from mail-it1-x144.google.com (mail-it1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4678770F33 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 10:31:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leo@charlestondigitalfirm.com) Received: by mail-it1-x144.google.com with SMTP id w18so8483073itj.4 for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:31:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=charlestondigitalfirm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Brn+L530pzowVOXKbBVq8EvGyBXLaTxZvsOF1BGkSpU=; b=G9NIhRCMdMhVV2AU+pP7OeqjbezvHkPZOAbyqxq2tuI5LpwyfXrlOWu098F0fbjDSv uB/xk0k7UP+hHuN6SkTDNSwF4fKZu88hjjLs6419iP52/CfxI70xoWlM8tlbinfeR8Bb UBcbd/2h9qCMTwdcu27nEJc70pgcp8CQmJAyngWWIjNn9tODPH97V/24O9W2QBh39mcG Lwjn9uZP8CiJKoMUCz9c8aQyKN9mhsLV734WIF4qGmDA8ilTBGR+WbHa6dgCLtitkaNX 51vYgiIQqrsWb5+38GnecpRewn81eaX5Y++h4PkU3wC2iAmstvoYivAuhyCrHV2KEjD5 cpCA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=Brn+L530pzowVOXKbBVq8EvGyBXLaTxZvsOF1BGkSpU=; b=tXwGPkqEsS/mvopL2/SJZnSmR0zN4BVRHETLFf12X7OrlhzTHNWIWuOd4VYemsm2O6 81XfvSP87sajF1sMHxt72H49ihivKDOtfJs80u+Gpvx+Gqo74MVWOn8mS9P515+pekT5 7J61oWFDMOeY2Cowa1PlsMKUCHVWXP1lOhtTYb1c4UWEa3M+05XZxDFsqo+q95FWD/2G CJL768sbyTXVCui4ZLUz4eib3BDMV7uYwcfrk5kZzJp0VACGtEHC6tt8o4esHEntJSy2 tzoYVk6NITZEw8ub/8/xW9UVxzk0xMfSPtFwUdvFPjstsav8gedg8G/fpw+j7bAzRrY/ KJ8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuabNh3/qd2BEt+6A4/H5irUymLgBdyoSwmx8bBEetPG5kqzMbTV JpUuadSqXq5XNi/oPXeH6tdcx4/5+alqMQ5KMGQl++M9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IYXsPj/N1/ms63ZRXmJFcCzuxfnJAdHGPFdeVuWcVaf8DZRMkPd6HA+RuqmSCAuQnSsgC5DEPPuhrPnlQAp0Sw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:9d05:: with SMTP id n5mr857867jak.53.1551263510965; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from 52669349336 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:31:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: Leo Martin From: Leo Martin Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 02:31:50 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: SaH4MjHg1R3C4bn0-r2_ffIkXQE Message-ID: Subject: Re:freebsd.org, Suggestions to increase your business To: Freebsd-Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4678770F33 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=charlestondigitalfirm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=G9NIhRCM; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of leo@charlestondigitalfirm.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::144 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=leo@charlestondigitalfirm.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.48 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[charlestondigitalfirm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.76)[-0.764,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[charlestondigitalfirm.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[charlestondigitalfirm-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[alt1.aspmx.l.google.com,alt4.aspmx.l.google.com,alt3.aspmx.l.google.com,alt2.aspmx.l.google.com,aspmx.l.google.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.028,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; IP_SCORE(-0.26)[ip: (3.45), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.68), asn: 15169(-2.01), country: US(-0.07)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 10:31:54 -0000 Hifreebsd.org, Hope you are doing fantastic. 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I just thought about something related to BSD/UNIX and Linux security What would happen if a user did execute a script which put the system into a single user mode during when the OS i completely in multi-user-mode that would lockup the passwd for the root to change his password WITHOUT having it wouldn't that be a risky action, by a possible hacker maybe even a vulnerability, if you have forgotten to lock the mode when in multi-user sufficiently if the user just went into that mode, without any root shell he would be root and he would have access to mount and also to passwd just pondering about this, realized it could be a possible backdoor or other way round the otherwise strict security no need to reply, simply check this, if you believe I could be right another possible way around security would be to reload the freebsd boot loader, but NOT reboot the system. then run in single user mode such as nintendo once had a bug which allowed exploits to access the 3ds-mode, when it was unlocked, 3ds roms may be ran without restrictions thank u guys have a good one! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 28 15:00:25 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF1A150A996 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:00:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDE76E98F for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA9E718057 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:00:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: possible vulnerability To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 09:00:17 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DFDE76E98F X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.54 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.56)[-0.555,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.44)[-0.436,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.37)[0.373,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:00:26 -0000 On 2/28/19 8:00 AM, Albin Lidén wrote: > Please do forward this to the right team > > Wzup u BSD-govs! > I just thought about something related to BSD/UNIX and Linux security > What would happen if a user did execute a script which put the system into > a single user mode during when the OS i completely in multi-user-mode Do we have a troll again? One has to know what level of privileges one has to have to do this or that before offering "insight" BS like this one IMHO. Valeri > > that would lockup the passwd for the root to change his password WITHOUT > having it > > wouldn't that be a risky action, by a possible hacker > maybe even a vulnerability, if you have forgotten to lock the mode when in > multi-user sufficiently > > if the user just went into that mode, without any root shell he would be > root and he would have access to mount and also to passwd > > just pondering about this, realized it could be a possible backdoor or > other way round the otherwise strict security > > no need to reply, simply check this, if you believe I could be right > > another possible way around security would be to reload the freebsd boot > loader, but NOT reboot the system. then run in single user mode > > such as nintendo once had a bug which allowed exploits to access the > 3ds-mode, when it was unlocked, 3ds roms may be ran without restrictions > > thank u guys > have a good one! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org 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Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 28 18:02:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2DF1511314 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF05E77448 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.195.28.147]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MjjSt-1hOYLZ0UDD-00lBVN; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:02:34 +0100 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:02:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Albin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lid=E9n?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: possible vulnerability Message-Id: <20190228190233.139bccb1.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Z7Jnq1MO3Tv8PXHLqiYSrKVuGHi3i1MDpEWALb5VxgtN6JUjGsC F8ZKkV4WcnkkayoUqQw6MbDjutuMegBOvS2uspMwgujp6LPAA5kllz+RUEsIwaBM6LnkZeb zEdgNiZ8ut5zJLYiwqN4O0vYKViXSjiH/r5xNWJD97izpflQydFkcp8kO941Fam6cqfsOoW W0OXTR0+ReK4+QHgxR0zA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2uw91zWfx+A=:ch/24fRs7YFr+P2/WrKBOa WEDBj+b85cq5RORYpRQXOlDQfA4lofefEz0M5gaFlCI04YJZ7jwD4Pkw9SarMNxt3fpSZNX3z GqO/zR3+8Bgdyon5H1d2lvC8AtTQEe78QAV8wh9BSnlddTPxvslDQjUuM0PZ2eEaNNc+XA8yz uKjmKTIVzTvcvy/Mj3XXunyEDeDjq+gTE5IJi2uobewUOgUerPDxClOXantnYR2Wmg53/JSXU 3eCIBBE1Qh5J2nYrkkkwkBqgw4ewreZVJkSxmQ4XqFE+n+DYjmPNas6U8JGrWx1NKpCty2G08 t37hnAcOb/8VgnuMrN7rzagMiicVUlj8WNG1x7mvVfnKCuXCPLFKMtVRwy3SAI2msIgMHsMPa HSV6s7bzpf1tI/5U5lzM+3Recowm2R6BIyy0gSf+2Wu61yGIyQ+n13OjU4ACL5qQwqKSfsq1g pQs8IiL95qX6MUiipQqUtq/bFho3ObkajBdjcgo/uTe+ozocIY9LNtOMo6E9BJD+Z02aczPzm +VNZ9I1/wqNkGuuti+CGddyu+pZP7lmRfsXwRI7uUsH87GQbE16cliHDW01BNtCrXYyrzPDJD dg92GAky37M1Bq+bUJCQqfA2WponQLdXbcw3MRPUgnr9fkNT6zkIra8+2Mlq3pkq3PRuczcch 5t44m3Yf27Ol8buIF+9p9EjsufZr8BHKy4ILrK+D37KAw1HIjlb1P8rhErR3m0KMTtHqIpBIs 416xzpb7SgAVSIMutbzjuZlSR8kFmUhpIuwMMiYqTsoIY8ZhkMfqZ7c856c= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BF05E77448 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.18 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx01.schlund.de,mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[147.28.195.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.76)[0.758,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[130.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(1.03)[ip: (4.32), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.96), asn: 8560(1.80), country: DE(-0.01)] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:02:38 -0000 On Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:00:22 +0100, Albin Lid=E9n wrote: > What would happen if a user did execute a script which put the system into > a single user mode during when the OS i completely in multi-user-mode >=20 > that would lockup the passwd for the root to change his password WITHOUT > having it THat's not directly possible. That script would need to have specific permissions to take the system down, which regular user scripts cannot do. This assumes that the user in question is a non-privileged user (not in groups like wheel, operator; not able to use su, sudo, super). When the system enters single-user mode, theere is a setting in /etc/ttys that might mark the system console as insecure (opposed to secure), and then the system would prompt for the root password. > wouldn't that be a risky action, by a possible hacker > maybe even a vulnerability, if you have forgotten to lock the mode when in > multi-user sufficiently As I mentioned, entering SUM from MUM requires the ability to shutdown the system, which regular users do not have. > if the user just went into that mode, without any root shell he would be > root and he would have access to mount and also to passwd The single-user mode is very restricted. It usually does not even come with a network connection, so local access would be a typical scenario. On the other hand, if a user has local =3D physical access to a machine, it's GAME OVER anyway. :-) > just pondering about this, realized it could be a possible backdoor or > other way round the otherwise strict security The term "backdoor" means something entirely different. What you are describing could be called a mis-configuration. Leaving the system console marked "insecure" is... well, it's insecure! :-) > another possible way around security would be to reload the freebsd boot > loader, but NOT reboot the system. then run in single user mode Again, this requires permissions a regular user does not have. Write access to devices and execution permission for specific programs would be needed to change things like a boot loader. FreeBSD is not DOS (not _that_ DOS, the other one). ;-) --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Had to run fsck, and it offered to add "check-hash protection". Not knowing what it was, I declined. Nothing in "man fsck"; nothing in "man tunefs"; nothing found using Google. Where is this documented? 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Regards, Paul Joseph Senior Designer Please respond with "remove" if not interested=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 1 04:04:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE631502BD9 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 04:04:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B54A72D1C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 04:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:04:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Moving raw system image to another drive breaks GELI To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:04:10 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1B54A72D1C X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.01 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.22)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(2.22), asn: 6939(-3.26), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.88)[-0.883,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.30)[0.300,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.926,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 04:04:21 -0000 On 2/26/19 10:00 AM, David Christensen wrote: > I have a computer: > > 2019-02-26 09:50:14 dpchrist@ragnar ~ > $ freebsd-version ; uname -a > 11.2-RELEASE-p9 > FreeBSD ragnar 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb  5 > 15:30:36 UTC 2019 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > I installed to a SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 16 GB flash drive: > >       Partitioning                      Auto (ZFS) >         Pool Type/Disks                 stripe,da0 >         Pool Name                       zroot >         Force 4K Sectors                YES >         Encrypt Disks                   YES >         Partition Scheme                MBR (BIOS) >         Swap Size                       2g >         Mirror Swap                     NO >         Encrypt Swap                    YES >         Install > > > If I do a raw binary copy of the USB flash drive to a Intel 520 Series > SSD 60 GB with dd(1) and boot the SSD, GELI rejects the passphrase and I > end up at a "mountroot>" prompt. > > > I would like to be able to move raw FreeBSD system images from drive to > drive and have them work. I did another install without GELI to another USB flash drive. I then copied the image to the SSD. The SSD boots and seems to work correctly. 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It never happened until I updated to version 12. At times if will > appear during boot-up also, although it normally appears after the > machine has been running for a while. > > -- > Carmel Hi Carmel These are innocuous. I think that, at startup, they occur when you have an up interface that doesn't yet have an IP address assigned to it. Presumably the recurrence is when your dhcp lease reaches its renewal period. If you check your DHCP leases, /var/db/dhclient.leases.* these should line up to the time of renewal. lease { interface "igb0"; fixed-address 172.16.1.4; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option routers 172.16.1.1; option dhcp-lease-time 86400; option dhcp-message-type 5; option dhcp-server-identifier 172.16.1.1; renew 3 2019/2/27 23:11:28; rebind 4 2019/2/28 08:11:28; expire 4 2019/2/28 11:11:28; } you'll find a few mentions of this error message on forums.freebsd.org already and in the email archives too. 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Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:09:08 +0000 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Warning Message from dhclient Thread-Topic: Warning Message from dhclient Thread-Index: AQHU0DhW9olu7I2jCUWIoQxzn4Ag2A== Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:09:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4aa665ea-0bda-4711-bfb2-bf3581b1520a@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4aa665ea-0bda-4711-bfb2-bf3581b1520a@www.fastmail.com> Reply-To: FreeBSD Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-clientproxiedby: BN7PR06CA0035.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:406:80::48) To MWHPR04MB0495.namprd04.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:300:72::8) x-mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.3 (GTK+ 2.24.32; i686-w64-mingw32) x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:9062341AEFEA3C89FE4F42AC5D6F886F6E5E5A1CE4F57A8EAA77489EA11302C1; UpperCasedChecksum:B9D44E652EC3F5C8E382ECFC0F7B11B25FB6418DF429D4C926AAEB0E2B4C232F; SizeAsReceived:7622; Count:52 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [9rkhzoFLLRvF3wB6EwncMJBxlA/i5uaLEM+1TE79j2E=] x-microsoft-original-message-id: <20190301090905.000023cb@outlook.com> x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-incomingheadercount: 52 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[outlook.com]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[outlook.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.3.0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:09:14 -0000 On Fri, 01 Mar 2019 06:03:05 -0500, Dave Cottlehuber stated: >On Sun, 24 Feb 2019, at 22:35, Carmel NY wrote: >> FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p3 >>=20 >> Ever since updating to FreeBSD 12, I have been seeing warning/error >> messages similar to the following: >>=20 >> Feb 24 07:05:31 scorpio dhclient[84035]: send_packet: No buffer >> space available >>=20 >> I am not sure if this is serious or if I should even be worried about >> it. It never happened until I updated to version 12. At times if will >> appear during boot-up also, although it normally appears after the >> machine has been running for a while. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Carmel =20 > >Hi Carmel > >These are innocuous. I think that, at startup, they occur when you >have an up interface that doesn't yet have an IP address assigned to >it. Presumably the recurrence is when your dhcp lease reaches its >renewal period. > >If you check your DHCP leases, /var/db/dhclient.leases.* these should >line up to the time of renewal. > >lease { > interface "igb0"; > fixed-address 172.16.1.4; > option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; > option routers 172.16.1.1; > option dhcp-lease-time 86400; > option dhcp-message-type 5; > option dhcp-server-identifier 172.16.1.1; > renew 3 2019/2/27 23:11:28; > rebind 4 2019/2/28 08:11:28; > expire 4 2019/2/28 11:11:28; >} The following is duplicated 14 times in that file with the exception of: renew 5 2019/3/1 08:03:44; rebind 5 2019/3/1 08:26:14; expire 5 2019/3/1 08:33:44; They change with each repartition. Is this normal? This is the first of the 14 entries. lease { interface "em0"; fixed-address 192.168.0.101; next-server 192.168.0.1; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option routers 192.168.0.1; option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1; option host-name "scorpio.seibercom.net"; option dhcp-lease-time 3600; option dhcp-message-type 5; option dhcp-server-identifier 192.168.0.1; renew 5 2019/3/1 08:03:44; rebind 5 2019/3/1 08:26:14; expire 5 2019/3/1 08:33:44; } --=20 Cermel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Mar 1 21:24:35 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72351501710 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:24:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [188.227.186.71]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97AD692444 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:24:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [188.227.186.44]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C8791532 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hub.org ([188.227.186.71]) by localhost (maia-lon.uk.hub.org [188.227.186.44]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95531-08 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.2] (S0106105611766e51.gv.shawcable.net [70.67.14.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 000B69150B for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:24:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Marc G Fournier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.2\)) Subject: BSDStats ... are you reporting? 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To: Marc G Fournier References: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> Cc: FreeBSD questions From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <0d471f4d-9f1d-8462-380d-1fd076dc6053@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 08:31:51 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6572684666 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=AtQC9g+v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::435 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.60 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.845,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE(-2.75)[ip: (-9.34), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.29), asn: 15169(-2.04), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.3.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 08:31:55 -0000 Installed. Cheers! On 01/03/2019 21:24, Marc G Fournier wrote: > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... Observations (minor issues): - presents generic instructions that are not specific to FreeBSD - generic might be improved with use of a subheading for each platform. (Speed-reading, at a glance, I imagined that second and subsequent paragraphs after the OpenBSD paragraph were generic. My bad.) 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In-Reply-To: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> Message-ID: References: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.9999 (BSF 287 2018-06-16) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 09:49:07 -0000 On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:24-0800, Marc G Fournier wrote: > Project URL: http://bsdstats.org Not all functionality of the website are up to speed. -- Trond. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 12:58:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C3A1521B4F for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D4FAC8D041 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 12:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: OpenSSL111 From: "@lbutlr" Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 05:58:09 -0700 X-Random-Signature: Apple Broke Applescrip[t access to signatures, random sigs now powered by Keyboard Maestro Pro X-Face: )^b5"R:T7U>9~:PEn3YkzMfW*[b1qKeU.fP9C8~8HpU9}lA&6`bH1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D4FAC8D041 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.52)[0.520,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[asn: 209(-0.01), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.covisp.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.16)[0.164,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.18)[0.181,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[42.55.121.65.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 12:58:17 -0000 What is the current port status of moving to OpenSSL111 over 1.0.2r? Is there an easy way to check if any ports I have are still not able to = use OpenSSL 1.1.1? --=20 Once again I am banished to the demon section of the card catalog From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 14:50:13 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B014150033B for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 14:50:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570006AC18 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 14:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id r5so849453wrg.9 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 06:50:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QZ0ati3MXHwFXbqFNS9IRfwzYjGUd6rhbT/7WY/VQkg=; b=l0YoR2QCkbBr8qnAUD2cuA28QQsfrgWZHuFOUEWX9jQl/xsHgMd88O+aE3NP2S4CoD FIs9HUAvXXFWLwCQjsFP0E7Qak7p5K0BoOMMv//sgRwVs64FC7uv1l0fOgn7lc/qmWBK xhNX1OEr+Bct+unpmB/8y4RNAU0jRasRLqzqO6PfI7KPI7PUYQF9fA/guWHpOVUYCqvd focP4SPPNFXktWrowgMFiW2rovmBptR40puAsMf/GJ3l/4smg9AbFehko+NMJ8EpUh/b pqOoT7Nm+TCPNk2CxPHLYY1EfrCTPxQddEgThSwRKcRPfifi1DoQ//MW7PdFd0wXTqkw odqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QZ0ati3MXHwFXbqFNS9IRfwzYjGUd6rhbT/7WY/VQkg=; b=VLWjucyueqPB1o7BBgXD00EhgaWDh9cBqor8PT38QkpDEuUx3kLVKasfbjJukdekdE ls+wQZ/CgkM/LE5QJ2hXzhKOHLA3ndouzfl+7YThlLpjf9/VSaiWMm+RxGnTC9EAuTQi jQ/igPw7LWUgEAgZddRu0Gqu/4N5SW7sPOFTw9efxI3psf1tdcHmt48oKM4KlWy9iuZ0 VDJo3V48iik/6Lkxp4lCkYBwEdPdjDlAtujwRkFGJ9TQ72VJahXr7wajnwl5yoq/TlIt bJbOGXSJa4GbY8Pe7JFMZ3hO0JMHAIbLOAFrLi8spesXnY0qMoJ14+aV72IzdfE8v3Mu SZvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUfDe3P4g/uilO6q0Bvl38aV/BrQvvdPeXB9WgFpGeneuIrnyiz IcsVbQKLg+46rLSW6DSe2Xb3RUSuCKNPGAEbo7i591Kp X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyiBhg1rsobhU1lx1hY0q3sAOmGaFak+QD7VCIDeuRX0o9wXuYt8czroVWvzMIkK5Loe3DGK7VTpG0oS1ysP8U= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:674e:: with SMTP id l14mr3777660wrw.163.1551538210839; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 06:50:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> In-Reply-To: <1E68EFDC-B104-40CC-ADB8-0D4B522B66E2@hub.org> From: Odhiambo Washington Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:49:31 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: BSDStats ... are you reporting? To: Marc G Fournier Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 570006AC18 X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=l0YoR2QC; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of odhiambo@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::42f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=odhiambo@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.65 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.942,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.4.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.70)[ip: (-9.11), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.29), asn: 15169(-2.04), country: US(-0.07)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 14:50:13 -0000 On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 at 00:27, Marc G Fournier wrote: > Project URL: http://bsdstats.org > > Project Objective: > > "The mission of this site is to compile semi-accurate numbers > for advocacy and marketing of the *BSD operating systems." > > > PC-BSD / TrueOS, to the best of our knowledge, is the only one > that defaults to enabled, while the rest have to be installed / enabled > manually. > > For FreeBSD users, you just need to install /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats > to set > things up. > > If you aren't participating, we very much encourage you to start ... the > report > script is a shell script, so you can scan it to figure out what, exactly, > is > being sent in .. and there is only one level of reporting that is > required, > and that is Operating System + Version ... Device and Ports reporting are > 100% > optional =E2=80=A6 > > All data is stored in an anonymized fashion =E2=80=A6 a Token/Key is gene= rated the > first time it is run that identifies your system within the database. > > For those that are participating ... once more, thank you ... and spread > the > word, we need more ... > > > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me ... > > Two of my serves gave this error: BSDstats failed: HTTP query failed during token enabling. They are 8.4-STABLE :-) [They will soon be replaced by 12-RELEASE] --=20 Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 17:47:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C7D1506563 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (ol.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED54571324 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x22HkvbL028397 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:46:57 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sdf.org; s=default; t=1551548823; bh=KuBCBDt296HfLg+VqDkQOlNRzbjCZIXXN7d6ZJ0SdWw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=On2DiEqm08RlLE/uRmCNtZ2p/gOCc4Sw6IAzPJ6wZlkALZ3SkGIJ1fkYqsBUHw8oT S6p3M/7txJBAWn2PGi/jmGdkQl+yYdwBE+negD2n+j0yXbPbVb6VU1CcWnyeBJYctg ZuZVWzOVFsE+PmkrS/pvmgVt/8XpVgcifyGlCjLY= Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x22HkvWh015561 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:46:57 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:46:57 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201903021746.x22HkvWh015561@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: tiers : non tier 1 : which compiler? X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED54571324 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sdf.org header.s=default header.b=On2DiEqm X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.62 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.948,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sdf.org:s=default]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sdf.org:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.sdf.org]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.748,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.61)[ip: (-1.90), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.95), asn: 14361(-0.15), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:47:11 -0000 i noticed the concept of tier under freebsd today. have never before seen the webpage at; https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/index.html saw 'mips', 'powerpc', and 'sparc64' also included. wondered which compiler is used by tiers not supported by clang/llvm. any useful tips/hints? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 17:06:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C876B150522A for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466366FCBD for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id F12161505229; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9191505227 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from outmx-004.london.gridhost.co.uk (outmx-004.london.gridhost.co.uk [95.142.156.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A29136FCBB for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk (unknown [82.71.56.121]) (Authenticated sender: mailpool@milibyte.co.uk) by outmx-004.london.gridhost.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 31D0520086256 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:06:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.13] (helo=curlew.localnet) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1h085Q-0000XX-FC for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:06:08 +0000 From: Mike Clarke To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:06:08 +0000 Message-ID: <1704742.u6MfGjpqfb@curlew> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Subject: Unable to select boot environments in boot menu after upgrade to 12.0 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A29136FCBB X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk designates 95.142.156.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.129,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.15)[-0.148,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.67)[0.670,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail3.eqx.gridhost.co.uk]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[milibyte.co.uk]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.156.142.95.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:198047, ipnet:95.142.156.0/22, country:GB]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; IP_SCORE(0.14)[asn: 198047(0.81), country: GB(-0.09)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 17:06:20 -0000 I currently have 6 boot environments managed by beadm. Four of these are FreeBSD 11.2 and two are FreeBSD 12.0. When either of the FreeBSD 12.0 environments are set as the active environment I'm unable to select alternative boot environments from the boot menu. Choosing option 7 from the menu only gives me 3 choices, e.g.: 1) Back to main menu 2) Active zfs:ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.0a (1 of 6) 3) bootfs zfs:ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.0a Is this a bug or a 'feaure'? -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 18:39:20 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E31315087E4 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71388748E6 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 18:39:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:39:16 -0800 Subject: Re: Moving raw system image to another drive breaks GELI To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 10:39:15 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 18:39:20 -0000 On 2/26/19 10:00 AM, David Christensen wrote: > I have a computer: > > 2019-02-26 09:50:14 dpchrist@ragnar ~ > $ freebsd-version ; uname -a > 11.2-RELEASE-p9 > FreeBSD ragnar 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb  5 > 15:30:36 UTC 2019 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > I installed to a SanDisk Ultra Fit USB 3.0 16 GB flash drive: > >       Partitioning                      Auto (ZFS) >         Pool Type/Disks                 stripe,da0 >         Pool Name                       zroot >         Force 4K Sectors                YES >         Encrypt Disks                   YES >         Partition Scheme                MBR (BIOS) >         Swap Size                       2g >         Mirror Swap                     NO >         Encrypt Swap                    YES >         Install > > > If I do a raw binary copy of the USB flash drive to a Intel 520 Series > SSD 60 GB with dd(1) and boot the SSD, GELI rejects the passphrase and I > end up at a "mountroot>" prompt. > > > I would like to be able to move raw FreeBSD system images from drive to > drive and have them work. If I insert another USB flash drive such that the device node of the system drive changes, GELI breaks (refuses to accept the passphrase). So, it appears that GELI requires the device node name when created and the device node name when later opened to match (?). Is this a bug or a feature? Can I disable it? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 21:27:37 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7831510B05 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from msa1.earth.yoonka.com (yoonka.com [88.98.225.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "msa1.earth.yoonka.com", Issuer "msa1.earth.yoonka.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C0C8510C for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:27:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) Received: from crayon2.yoonka.com (crayon2.yoonka.com [10.70.7.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by msa1.earth.yoonka.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x22L7aPA065604 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:07:37 GMT (envelope-from list1@gjunka.com) To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List From: Grzegorz Junka Subject: Failed to load '/boot/loader.efi' Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:07:36 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-GB-large X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B4C0C8510C X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of list1@gjunka.com designates 88.98.225.149 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=list1@gjunka.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.90 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:88.98.225.149]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gjunka.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-3.64)[ip: (-9.53), ipnet: 88.98.192.0/18(-4.77), asn: 56478(-3.81), country: GB(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[gjunka.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.946,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:56478, ipnet:88.98.192.0/18, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 21:27:37 -0000 Hello, I am trying to configure UEFI loader to boot FreeBSD 12. The UEFI shell prints the following: >> FreeBSD EFI boot block   Loader path: /boot/loader.efi Initializing modules: ZFS UFS   Load Path: \efi\boot\BOOTx64.efi   Load Device: PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1,0x3)/Pci(0x0,0x2)/Pci(0x4,0x0)/Pci(0x0,0x0)/NVMe(0x1,8D-7F-B1-71-55-38-25-00)/HD(1,GPT,F4EC62C3-B000-4A60-AAA6-7079751A497D,0x800,0x64000)   BootCurrent: 0003   BootOrder: 0000 0005 0006 0003[*]   Probing 12 block devices......+...*.... done     ZFS found the following pools: tank7     UFS found no partitions Failed to load '/boot/loader.efi' panic: No bootable partions found! I can import the ZFS pool fine when booting a memstick livefs. Why loader.efi isn't importing it? efibootmgr -v gives the following BootCurrent: 0005 Timeout : 5 seconds. BootOrder: 0000, 0005, 0006, 0003   Boot0* Windows Boot Manager HD(5,GPT,5804e565-b8f6-4f47-9314-9eb4cfb79697,0x1d55e000,0x32000)/File(\EFI\MICROSOFT\BOOT\BOOTMGFW.EFI) nvd1p5:/EFI/MICROSOFT/BOOT/BOOTMGFW.EFI (null) * Boot5* UEFI OS HD(1,GPT,f4ec62c3-b000-4a60-aaa6-7079751a497d,0x800,0x64000)/File(\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.EFI) nvd1p1:/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI (null)   Boot6* Hard Drive BBS(HD,,0x0)   Boot3 UEFI: Built-in EFI Shell VenMedia(5023b95c-db26-429b-a648-bd47664c8012) I've manually created /EFI/BOOT/BOOTx64.EFI by copying /boot/boot1.efi from the livefs. The content of /EFI is just one file: EFI/Boot/bootx64.efi Can I somehow install the /boot/boot1.efifat manually to try to make it working? I am installing FreeBSD 12 by partitioning disk manually so bsdsysinstall doesn't run, and it seems there were some changes around the EFI partition recently, e.g. support for /efi/freebsd/loader.efi. Thanks GrzegorzJ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 17:59:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32DB1506EE4 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:59:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (ol.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CFC2723CB for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:59:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x22HxO1g012273 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:59:25 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sdf.org; s=default; t=1551549571; bh=8RUAiYtkqLpQPN6DhlyEVUeyO/HGUlmmQpWVRN/jxZ4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=fg/+fyZHB8ggZvqRgDmvi8aT26Sgz5ez7o3E5nYbTA4wV571bt3dObnrBBLmij8xC qlXdS01Yeao6L1wPsjFHftdeDCtNt/exEfn4vzQVOKRXnl/Sf36ju2I+HP8Nd6SRNk YgpAcswVmhlY5XxKZ0waONAJQ+a4zSBKNw0pIF9E= Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x22HxONA010201 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:59:24 GMT Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:59:24 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201903021759.x22HxONA010201@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: toolchain maintainence team : who are they? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 21:25:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20ED1510995 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC0B85071 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 515F31510993; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5BC1510991 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5A198506F for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-lj1-f178.google.com (mail-lj1-f178.google.com [209.85.208.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FD9C2EC17 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:25:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-lj1-f178.google.com with SMTP id q128so1078653ljb.11 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 13:25:36 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVlDxULC2b8uJOU40uSbLXVRQk0gHD8G464CUpImjnvZ73VxcZ2 K0gB+L8spcO/1R4IDipyqNOmg6AxEZYL4e99XZA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwQbWAN9qLgdQfmht5jUG89lt76XGkoQ3DFMbSiTcUvg4kg0teB0+VmpGtzh155on0zhqCoJD0ctNZ5/IV5JDw= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9ec2:: with SMTP id h2mr6339378ljk.186.1551561934575; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 13:25:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1704742.u6MfGjpqfb@curlew> In-Reply-To: <1704742.u6MfGjpqfb@curlew> From: Kyle Evans Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:25:22 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unable to select boot environments in boot menu after upgrade to 12.0 To: Mike Clarke Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B5A198506F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989,0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 21:25:38 -0000 Apologies for the formatting, on mobile- did you try hitting '2' to cycle through them? This does need a redesign, though, closer to what it was previously. On Sat, Mar 2, 2019, 15:03 Mike Clarke wrote: > I currently have 6 boot environments managed by beadm. Four of these are > FreeBSD 11.2 and two are FreeBSD 12.0. > > When either of the FreeBSD 12.0 environments are set as the active > environment I'm unable to select alternative boot environments from the > boot menu. Choosing option 7 from the menu only gives me 3 choices, e.g.: > > 1) Back to main menu > 2) Active zfs:ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.0a (1 of 6) > 3) bootfs zfs:ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.0a > > Is this a bug or a 'feaure'? > > -- > Mike Clarke > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Mar 2 22:36:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571D71513FE7 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 22:36:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBFC58825F for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 22:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-lf1-f43.google.com (mail-lf1-f43.google.com [209.85.167.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5A8642F3B2 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 2019 22:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-lf1-f43.google.com with SMTP id x206so954004lff.3 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 14:36:51 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVlhTrw5NMpqGJVaFDP8LAi6YcdkKgAaFau16/LfO+eyG4WpCTk PFqZDpIjnQUMDnIUATgY6wLM7BEL1onlKLHQTNs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwNU5b61IvErSSBcPS5odJ12Uq6oUgo95QT0bPcZFKh28qXCxksUy59xEVGfqasaPg6j71RibinQvyfAyoYg34= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5143:: with SMTP id q3mr6526034lfd.53.1551566209759; Sat, 02 Mar 2019 14:36:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201903021759.x22HxONA010201@sdf.org> In-Reply-To: <201903021759.x22HxONA010201@sdf.org> From: Kyle Evans Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 16:36:38 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: toolchain maintainence team : who are they? To: iam@sdf.org Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: BBFC58825F X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.98 / 15.00]; local_wl_from(0.00)[freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.976,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:2610:1c1:1::/48, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2019 22:36:52 -0000 On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 3:11 PM wrote: > > how do i find out who is on the toolchain maintainence team? > is there a special mailing list just for toolchain people? > are mere-mortals allowed to join such list if it exists? Here's a good start: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-toolchain Thanks, Kyle Evans