From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 18 00:04:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29928 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA29920 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00996; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 00:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Gary Kline cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi tutorial In-Reply-To: <199608170220.TAA09516@athena.tera.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Gary Kline wrote: > > Hi, > > Enclosed is the vi_tutorial that I've been distributing. > So far at least 30 people have requested the original > ASCII version. The original was somewhat less featureful > than this HTML draft. > > If you guys like this and wish to include it with the other > documentation, I hereby give my permission. ---I would like > to see something like this for emacs....about which I have > little understanding. --- > > Anyway, enjoy! > > gary kline > > Encl: > [most of tutorial deleted] > > > > > > > You cannot, however, use the arrow keys while in insert mode! > Try typing something, like the first four > lines of the pledge of allegiance if nothing else comes to mind. > When you are through typing, to leave insert mode, press the > ``ESC'' key. > >

> Pressing any arrow keys while in insert mode (which happens often) > causes vi to mess up. If this happens, press ``ESC'' to exit > insert mode, then delete the extra line created. You can always hit > ``ESC'' to get out of insert mode and fix things that you inadvertantly > screwed up. It's just not true that the arrow keys don't work in insert mode. Or rather, perhaps they work with some terminals/keyboards and not with others, which is perhaps one of the problems with a vi tutorial. The failure of the arrow keys in some circumstances (in which they generally don't work in command mode either) may be the reason for the many motion commands in vi. I am aware that the arrow keys sometimes cause text to be repeated; I used to run into this fairly often but seem to have figured out how to avoid it without really knowing what caused it in the first place. (I assume it's actually a feature :-) Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 18 03:08:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA14537 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from redwood.northcoast.com (redwood.northcoast.com [199.4.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA14532 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shadow1 (ficklehill.northcoast.com [199.4.102.56]) by redwood.northcoast.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA09523 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:08:37 -0700 Message-ID: <3216EC66.4086@tidepool.com> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 03:11:50 -0700 From: Charles Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b5 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Tutorials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Would it be possible if you could also include an ascii version of these docs. I have just installed FreeBsd 2.1.5 on a seperate machine, and I am not quite familar with using tar files yet. Thanks. -Charles Smith From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 18 12:27:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07980 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07974 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01722; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Charles Smith cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tutorials In-Reply-To: <3216EC66.4086@tidepool.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Charles Smith wrote: > Would it be possible if you could also include an ascii version of these > docs. I have just installed FreeBsd 2.1.5 on a seperate machine, and I > am not quite familar with using tar files yet. > Thanks. > -Charles Smith I think this is an excellent idea; the user may be downloading them to dos, and downloading a series of html files and putting them back together is a lot of trouble. Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Aug 18 12:27:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07993 for doc-outgoing; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA07979 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA01715; Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Gary Kline cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi tutorial In-Reply-To: <199608180723.AAA12015@athena.tera.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Gary Kline wrote: > According to Annelise Anderson: > > It's just not true that the arrow keys don't work in insert mode. Or > > rather, perhaps they work with some terminals/keyboards and not with > > others, which is perhaps one of the problems with a vi tutorial. > > The failure of the arrow keys in some circumstances (in which they > > generally don't work in command mode either) may be the reason for > > the many motion commands in vi. > > > > I am aware that the arrow keys sometimes cause text to be repeated; > > I used to run into this fairly often but seem to have figured out how > > to avoid it without really knowing what caused it in the first place. > > (I assume it's actually a feature :-) > > > > Yes, it may be a feature; who knows?! > > At least on all terms that I have used vi on--from the > Cray's VT102's to Suns to my PeeCee keyboard (xterm), > the arrow-keys screw things up. vi --- or strictly > speaking, in our case, Keith Bostic's nvi (new vi) -- > catches only the first byte of the arrow-key. This in > insert mode. > > I'm sure that the code could be hacked to _always_ > accept the arrow keys. In either mode. > > Solution is to remove the and to rewrite that > to say something like, ``You cannot always use the arrow > keys in insert mode.'' > > Whatcha think?? Well, that's better than saying you can't use them. (The statement that the arrow keys don't work in insert mode is repeated later, so there are two places to fix.) The arrow keys have always worked for me with FreeBSD (2.0.5 and later). I think I'm using them in the circumstances where they supposedly mess everything up. On the other hand if I telnet to a computer at Stanford running Sun OS 4.1.4, and the arrow keys produce capital letters. I believe this to be a key-binding problem but I'm not sure. There's an excellent but rather long tutorial already included with FreeBSD in /usr/share/doc/usd/12.vi as paper.ascii.gz, by William Joy and Mark Horton. It can be read with zmore. Probably a pointer to this longer document should be included. Annelise From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 19 03:37:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA03788 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 03:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ener1000.dee.uc.pt (ener1000.dee.uc.pt [193.136.205.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03783 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 03:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from micaelo@localhost) by ener1000.dee.uc.pt (8.7.5/8.6.12) id RAA05017 for freebsd-doc@FREEBSD.ORG; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:13:45 +0100 (WET DST) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:13:45 +0100 (WET DST) From: Nuno Miguel de Micaelo Borges Message-Id: <199608161613.RAA05017@ener1000.dee.uc.pt> To: freebsd-doc@FREEBSD.ORG Sender: owner-doc@FREEBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a i486DX with a 1,6GBytes IDE disk and i want to install the FreeBSD in a partition of 500MB, reserving 1.1GB to MSDOS(Windows95). But i had a problem, after installing the boot.flp and reboot the PC as they advice, when i press F2 in the "bootcode" (F1 disk1, F2 FreeBSD) the UNIX don't start ! After that, i have done the instalation again but now, i reserved a space of 300MB for MSDOS and all the rest to UNIX. This time the UNIX has started. From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Aug 19 23:19:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA26675 for doc-outgoing; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns2.clever.net (qmailr@ns4.clever.net [208.5.0.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA26670 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1996 06:33:37 -0000 Received: from ns3.clever.net (HELO www4.clever.net) (207.15.223.1) by ns2.clever.net with SMTP; 20 Aug 1996 06:33:37 -0000 Received: from user-168-121-181-114.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-181-114.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.181.114]) by www4.clever.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA06575 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <321982D2.1585@usww.com> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:18:10 -0700 From: Benjamin Bentsen Reply-To: President@usww.com Organization: United States Wide Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: CNAMEs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Here is a dumb question! I am on a server using freebsd. They made me a test host e.g test.usww.com My regular is usww.com They told me to go ahead and add what ever I wanted to but they could not help. I am trying to learn while on their server so that when I put up my own I won't have a lot of problems. I have compiled a server using port 8888 as a test (http://usww.com:8888 and http://test.usww.com:8888 and http://207.15.223.24:888). They will not allow me to mess with any of there files directly. Stew hinted to check into 'named' 'nslookup' and 'host' for the information I needed. Frankly I am lost. I have printed those out read over them several times. I don;t know what I am missing. How do I use any one of those commands to add another host? My httpd.conf on my test server and all the other set was straight forward. How do I get a DNS entry without bothering them? Or if I have to bother them what files and/or commands with they have to use to complete the task? I am getting you new version of FreeBsd and going to throw out my SCO is I can feel confident that I can do what I need to. So far everything is gone well except this dumb question. Is it so simple I can not see the forest for the trees? The only reason I am on a different system is that I will not have ISDN capabilities for 6 more months in this area. At which time I am going to put up my own server. HELP! Benjamin Bentsen usashopper.com usww.com From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 20 10:45:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19972 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19964; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from campa.panke.de (anonymous233.ppp.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.233]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA06720; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:29:41 +0200 Received: (from wosch@localhost) by campa.panke.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00958; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:33:18 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:33:18 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider Message-Id: <199608201333.PAA00958@campa.panke.de> To: Michael Beckmann Cc: www@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: http://www.de.freebsd.org/FAQ/freebsd-faq120.html In-Reply-To: References: Reply-to: Wolfram Schneider MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Beckmann writes: >please fix this page. It has some links to www.freebsd.org in it. >When a mirror user clicks on these links, it will take him to the master >site. These links should have relative adressing, so that people stay on >the mirror server that they have chosen. $ grep -i www.freebsd.org freebsd-faq.sgml | wc -l 20 ;-( Wolfram From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 20 20:55:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06210 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cemtecasia.com.sg ([202.42.237.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06182 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ssy.cemtecasia.com.sg id <14997>; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:00:49 +0800 Message-Id: <96Aug21.120049sst.14997@ssy.cemtecasia.com.sg> Priority: Normal To: doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Albert Lim Keng Leng Subject: test Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:50:34 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DEAR SIR. is it possible that the free bsd handbook is available for download in ascii text file format or something like that. cos i need to learn bsd as my company required. thanx. albert alkl.pt@cemtecasia.com.sg From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 20 22:17:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17052 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17045 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA60638; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 05:16:55 GMT Message-Id: <199608210516.FAA60638@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" , "Albert Lim Keng Leng" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 01:15:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: test Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 11:50:34 +0800, Albert Lim Keng Leng wrote: >is it possible that the free bsd handbook is available for download in >ascii text file format or something like that. You can get it from ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs and it is called handbook.ascii. From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Aug 20 22:18:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17114 for doc-outgoing; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17100 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id FAA46886; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 05:18:00 GMT Message-Id: <199608210518.FAA46886@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 01:17:04 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suggestion for ASCII version of handbook Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was looking at th ASCII version of the handbook and it seems there isn't an index or table of content. I think it would be extremely usefull to have one. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 00:50:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA13791 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13786 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA00517; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:37:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD doc Mailing list Subject: Re: Suggestion for ASCII version of handbook In-Reply-To: <199608210518.FAA46886@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: > I was looking at th ASCII version of the handbook and it seems there > isn't an index or table of content. I think it would be extremely > usefull to have one. Since there are so many available documents, what would really be useful is a front end for glimpse so that glimpse doesn't just list filenames, but presents a list of filenames on the left and the text of the selected file on the right, so one can go through the various sources that mention the topic on which one is searching for help.... maybe a tcl/tk application of some kind. Annelise > From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 12:35:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19049 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.be.innet.net (mail.be.innet.net [194.7.1.8]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18999 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 12:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cv (pool03-31.innet.be [194.7.10.15]) by mail.be.innet.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02878; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:34:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:34:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608211934.VAA02878@mail.be.innet.net> X-Sender: year0229@pophost.innet.be X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Annelise Anderson From: Chris Vertonghen Subject: Re: vi tutorial Cc: doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 12:21 18-08-96 -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: >The arrow keys have always worked for me with FreeBSD (2.0.5 and >later). I think I'm using them in the circumstances where they >supposedly mess everything up. On the other hand if I telnet to a >computer at Stanford running Sun OS 4.1.4, and the arrow keys produce >capital letters. I believe this to be a key-binding problem but I'm not >sure. Just an idea: wouldn't it be much less confusing to talk about the keys as navigation keys (vi and all clones are based on these keys as navigation keys, just *because* not all terminals support the arrow keys). You could simply mention the usage of the arrow-keys in the manual when talking about the possible termemuls that support them... Cya, Chris. #include -- Chris Vertonghen Brilliant Solutions Lanier WorldWide Inc. From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 13:17:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22685 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22675 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA00315; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:17:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: Chris Vertonghen cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vi tutorial In-Reply-To: <199608211934.VAA02878@mail.be.innet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Chris Vertonghen wrote: > At 12:21 18-08-96 -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote: > > >The arrow keys have always worked for me with FreeBSD (2.0.5 and > >later). I think I'm using them in the circumstances where they > >supposedly mess everything up. On the other hand if I telnet to a > >computer at Stanford running Sun OS 4.1.4, and the arrow keys produce > >capital letters. I believe this to be a key-binding problem but I'm not > >sure. I discovered that the arrow keys work on Sun OS 4.1.4 provided one calls nvi instead of vi. > > Just an idea: wouldn't it be much less confusing to talk about the > keys as navigation keys (vi and all clones are based on these keys as > navigation keys, just *because* not all terminals support the arrow keys). > You could simply mention the usage of the arrow-keys in the manual when > talking about the possible termemuls that support them... I think that's what Gary Kline is doing. It turns out, I think, that people use vi in many different ways, since it has so many options. This is part of what makes it difficult to write a tutorial. Annelise > Cya, > Chris. > > > #include > -- > Chris Vertonghen > Brilliant Solutions > Lanier WorldWide Inc. > > > From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 13:59:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26541 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26524 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 13:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA09217; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:57:44 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Wolfram Schneider cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: indexed CVS sources In-Reply-To: <199608151519.RAA25084@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Wolfram Schneider wrote: > Altavista indexed FreeBSD sources. Bug? Feature? You decide. :) They were indexed before I added /cgi-bin to the robot exclusion file. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 14:03:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26790 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26783 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA09237; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:03:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:03:07 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Albert Lim Keng Leng cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <96Aug21.120049sst.14997@ssy.cemtecasia.com.sg> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Albert Lim Keng Leng wrote: > is it possible that the free bsd handbook is available for download in > ascii text file format or something like that. Yes. Visit http://www.freebsd.org/handbook and read carefully. The link to other versions is right there in the first paragraph. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Aug 21 16:04:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10453 for doc-outgoing; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from halcyon.com (root@coho.halcyon.com [198.137.231.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10443 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost by halcyon.com with SMTP id AA29215 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:59:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 15:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Mitchell To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Faq on www.freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Overall, your faq, handbook, and tutorial provide alot of useful information on the web server you are running. I have a suggestion, however. You might want to make the faq one big file with #s in it so that people can search the contents of the page instead of reading through each heading. That or add a text search engine on the site to search for any keyword topics, like ed0 or adaptec, or mbuf, or whaetver. Overall, good work. Aaron Mitchell dorian@halcyon.com From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 22 12:32:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09941 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-131.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09784 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA12559; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199608221434.QAA12559@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Addition for FAQ 4.4. From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Addition for FAQ 4.4. /usr/obj/usr/src/share/doc/FAQ/freebsd-faq62.html#62 ] Any other applications I might be interested in? ... I suggest a committer add an entry for this company: Newlog GmbH, Galileo-Galilei-Strasse 18, 55129 Mainz, Germany Tel +49.6131.59.2015 & +33.1.532646.00 Email: none on sales leaflet. They advertise their `OpenBackup' product as FreeBSD capable. I have no bias for/against this firm & product, other than that we will help FreeBSD by listing commercial products available. Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Aug 22 14:37:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19875 for doc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:37:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19863; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA16847; Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:37:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "Julian H. Stacey" cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Addition for FAQ 4.4. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Aug 1996 16:34:52 +0200." <199608221434.QAA12559@vector.jhs.no_domain> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 14:37:10 -0700 Message-ID: <16845.840749830@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My policy is that I only add companies when they directly request it, not when suggested by a 3rd party. It avoids a lot of misunderstandings. :-( If you'd like to point them at me, I'd be happy to accept their entry. Jordan > Addition for FAQ 4.4. > /usr/obj/usr/src/share/doc/FAQ/freebsd-faq62.html#62 > ] Any other applications I might be interested in? ... > > I suggest a committer add an entry for this company: > Newlog GmbH, Galileo-Galilei-Strasse 18, 55129 Mainz, Germany > Tel +49.6131.59.2015 & +33.1.532646.00 > Email: none on sales leaflet. > > They advertise their `OpenBackup' product as FreeBSD capable. > > I have no bias for/against this firm & product, other than that we will help > FreeBSD by listing commercial products available. > > Julian > -- > Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 23 01:34:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA05764 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp [133.246.32.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05759 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 01:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp (8.7.5/3.4W4-SMTP) with ESMTP id RAA06298; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:33:29 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199608230833.RAA06298@mail.tky007.tth.expo96.ad.jp> To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: max@sfc.wide.ad.jp Subject: Help needed from LaTeX experts on IIJPPP Docs From: Masafumi NAKANE/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCQ2Y6LDJtSjgbKEI=?= X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 17:33:28 +0900 Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, A few months ago, I completed translating the original users' manual of IIJ-PPP with a lot of help from several people. (The original is in Japanese and is written in LaTeX.) Now, the words are OK, but there is some problem with how it looks. To tell you the truth, I'm totally blind and cannot preview the .dvi file, so I really do not know what looks bad and how it can be fixed. If there is any LaTeX experts out there who are willing to help, please let me know by e-mailing to: max@sfc.wide.ad.jp As soon as this problem is fixed, I will try to make the LaTeX source and the .ps file widely available. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Masafumi NAKANE, Keio Univ., Dept. of Environmental Information E-Mail : t94303mn@sfc.keio.ac.jp / max@sfc.wide.ad.jp [URL] : http://www.sfc.keio.ac.jp/~t94303mn From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Aug 23 13:06:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03365 for doc-outgoing; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (fallout.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03348 for ; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jfieber@localhost) by fallout.campusview.indiana.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12202; Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:05:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 15:05:10 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber To: Aaron Mitchell cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Faq on www.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, Aaron Mitchell wrote: > however. You might want to make the faq one big file with #s in it so > that people can search the contents of the page instead of reading through > each heading. That or add a text search engine on the site to search for > any keyword topics, like ed0 or adaptec, or mbuf, or whaetver. I'm working on fixing and updating the mailing list archives after which I hope to add searching of the web site (handbook and FAQ included). -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fallout.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ================ From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 17:41:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16388 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (pop01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16379 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by pop01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA57421; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 00:41:21 GMT Message-Id: <199608250041.AAA57421@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "FreeBSD doc Mailing list" Date: Sat, 24 Aug 96 20:22:31 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Francisco Reyes's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: KERNEL documentation Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Today I did my first custom kernel and I was wondering why the GENERIC kernel configuration file didn't have more explanations. Has it been because of need for someone to do it? If so I volunteer to do it. I have tried to help in the documentation for a while, but had a hard time trying to learn SGML but there is no info online and not many books at the bookstore (good or bad), but the kernel is a plain file so that should be an easy task. It could be done in two phases. First phase would be to better comment GENERIC and the second phase to work on LINT. Should I get to work on this? From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 18:09:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18322 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [206.149.65.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA18315 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 18:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hmmm.alaska.net by alaska.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26341; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:09:14 -0800 Message-Id: <321D9F29.5EBF@alaska.net> Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 05:08:09 -0700 From: hmmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: tcp X-Url: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i can't find anything on BSD tcp! i can get ppp going with my provider, (because of docs) but not ftp or www stuff. help! From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 20:00:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25812 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts17-line3.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25803 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00319; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Francisco Reyes cc: FreeBSD doc Mailing list Subject: Re: KERNEL documentation In-Reply-To: <199608250041.AAA57421@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 24 Aug 1996, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Today I did my first custom kernel and I was wondering why the > GENERIC kernel configuration file didn't have more explanations. Has > it been because of need for someone to do it? If so I volunteer to do > it. Because LINT is the real documentation for the kernel config. GENERIC is a 'generic' setup that should work on most any machine. > I have tried to help in the documentation for a while, but had a hard > time trying to learn SGML but there is no info online and not many > books at the bookstore (good or bad), but the kernel is a plain file > so that should be an easy task. I would think the best way is to look at the source file and look at the output, and guess. :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 20:14:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA26869 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts17-line3.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26862 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00355; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:14:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: hmmm cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcp In-Reply-To: <321D9F29.5EBF@alaska.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, hmmm wrote: > i can't find anything on BSD tcp! > > i can get ppp going with my provider, (because of docs) > but not ftp or www stuff. Huh? What are you trying to do? Technically you should be able to drive web and ftp over a PPP link (although doing so is horribly slow). This is assuming your ISP isn't filtering those ports out. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 20:21:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27467 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gdi.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts17-line3.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27454 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by gdi.uoregon.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00377 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:21:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:21:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Sorry for the intrusion... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-doc@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... but I think you guys could use some help. Is this a public mailing list? :) Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Aug 24 23:49:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-doc Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14104 for doc-outgoing; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14061 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 23:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: st!gate!matka!matka.lviv.ua!jacek@cscdua.cscd.lviv.ua Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.101]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with ESMTP id JAA26582 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:48:37 +0300 Received: from powell.cscd.kiev.ua (cscd.kiev.ua [193.193.192.74]) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/1) with ESMTP id JAA17266 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:48:50 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from cscdua.cscd.lviv.ua (cscdua.cscd.lviv.ua [194.183.177.251]) by powell.cscd.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21692 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:48:00 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cscdua.cscd.lviv.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23262 for doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 09:47:38 +0300 (GMT) Received: by gate.host.lviv.ua (uumail v1.5/ache) with UUCP id AA03475; Sun, 25 Aug 1996 04:57:59 +0300 Received: by matka.lviv.ua (uumail v1.5/ache) id AA01437; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:46:05 +0200 Received: (from root@localhost) by matka.lviv.ua (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA01434; Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:45:58 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 17:45:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199608241545.RAA01434@matka.lviv.ua> To: freebsd.org!doc@matka.lviv.ua X-URL: mailto:doc@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Lynx, Version 2-4-2 Subject: mailto:doc@freebsd.org Sender: owner-doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk