From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 00:09:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA11192 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:09:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11187 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA05340; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:07:40 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:07:40 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603240807.TAA05340@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, pst@Shockwave.COM Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >What's the state of remote debugging of the kernel? Is this code so old and >crufty that it's bitrotted beyond hope, or is anyone actually doing this today? It's never worked. The bits are more nonexistent than rotted. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 00:29:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12373 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12353 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 00:29:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA24105; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:15:50 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603240845.TAA24105@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:15:50 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 23, 96 10:27:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brian Tao stands accused of saying: > > Anyone know what this guy is saying? I figured fragmentation and > reassembly would happen between the FTP server's Ethernet interface > and that of the router to the Internet. Is there any validity to this > guy's suggestion? Er, "yes" some of what he says is valid. No, he's not drawing any sensible or meaningful conclusions from it. > Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) ... > Partly this is due to overloaded links, but I also notice that your > ftp server at ftp.io.org seems to be configured to send Ethernet sized > (ie 1536 byte) packets, instead of the normal Internet 576 byte packets. You can discount the "normal Internet packet size" concept; there ain't no such animal. As has been already observed, 576 is the minimum permitted MSS. > This means that every IP packet you send has to be fragmented into three > IP fragments as it travels over the Internet, and if any single one of This only happens if your data has to move over a link imposing a smaller MSS. Not many do - mostly PPP and SLIP links. > those fragments is lost, then the other two are useless, even if they do > arrive. In other words, if your link is congested and is losing 20% of > the packets, then those losses make the other two fragments useless too, > giving you an 'effective' loss rate of 60%. This is bogus arithmetic; lossage is a normally a point event and results in the loss of one unit datagram around the point, regardless of its size. This is why small-packet proocols (like kermit) fare better on noisy uncorrected lines than large-packet protocols like Ymodem. > Of course, I may be wrong. It's just a guess, based on what I noticed from > this end, that the ftp data seemed to be arriving in 1536 byte chunks. This is most likely because the systems responsible for the 576-byte MSS cutdown (wherever they may be - I suspect his end of things) are not cooperating with the path MTU discovery performed by FreeBSD, and thus your FTP server (mistakenly) believes that it can send a 1536-byte segment without fragmentation. If he's really keen, you could suggest that he should establish at what point the fragmentation occurs, and determine the offending hardware/software so that he can the proceed to bug the losing vendor(s) to fix their code. > Stuart Cheshire ... > * Macintosh Programmer Not to be a bigot, but the Apple TCP code seems to leave a lot to be desired. It would be educational for someone to point the MTU discovery code at one and see if it behaves... -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 01:18:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16124 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16101 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA17435; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:18:16 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24279; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:18:15 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA00518; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:56:45 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603240856.JAA00518@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Kernel and PPP To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:56:45 +0100 (MET) Cc: york@fvl.k12.mi.us (Jason D. York) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <31548FA1.4F2BE443@fvl.k12.mi.us> from "Jason D. York" at Mar 23, 96 06:56:17 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jason D. York wrote: > I am having problems. (You're message is totally unreadable. Please, restrain mails to 75 characters per line for readability. Netcrap is not doing you any good at this when abusing it as an email tool.) > The first problem is that I cannot get the if_mod_ppp.o module to > load. I cannot find out anywhere what to feed modload for the entry > point of the module. The second problem may be related to the The generic names of the entry points are ``_foo_init''. However, it seems that if_ppp_mod doesn't follow this convention, or somebody forgot it. :-( > first. somehow on my installation I did not get the kernel source. > I figured that if I could get ppp running I could just use > /stand/sysinstall and get the kernel, but I need ppp. Anyway I > would be overjoyed if you could tell me how to get that ppp module > loaded so I could use pppd. You only need ``IIJ-PPP'', it is in /usr/sbin/ppp, and it doesn't require the ppp kernel interface (since it uses the `tun0' interface). So, it is ready to run for you. (We have two PPP implementations to chose from.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 01:18:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16177 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16155 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA17451; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:18:23 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA24285; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:18:23 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA00579; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:09:56 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603240909.KAA00579@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: IDE install To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:09:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: randy@zyzzyva.com (Randy Terbush) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603240220.UAA02814@sierra.zyzzyva.com> from "Randy Terbush" at Mar 23, 96 08:20:02 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Randy Terbush wrote: > My next question is "how do I get these new boot blocks on without > doing this again?". Pick disklabel(8) from -current. I've made it understand about fdisk tables. The cases where it's still clobbering the fdisk table are documented in the man page. Basically, a simple ``disklabel -B sd0'' will work. If you decided to not chose the ``dangerously dedicated'' layout again at time of reinstallation, you don't need to do anything. The BSD disklabel and the fdisk table are different then. They are only identical for the ``dangerously dedicated'' case, where the BSD bootstrap serves as master boot record. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 01:21:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16500 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaboon.nai.net (gaboon.nai.net [204.71.31.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16485 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asv@localhost) by gaboon.nai.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id EAA02215 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:21:07 -0500 From: Stan Voket Message-Id: <199603240921.EAA02215@gaboon.nai.net> Subject: sup ports problem? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:21:06 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that there is no /usr/ports/???/netscape* after my sup to sup2. Is this by error or design? root@gaboon /usr/ports > find . -name "netscape*" -print ./russian/netscape2.language ./russian/netscape.language ./japanese/netscape.language ./japanese/netscape.language/files/netscape.sh root@gaboon /usr/ports > -- - Stan Voket, asv@gaboon.nai.net - http://gaboon.nai.net - - Voice: 203.746-4489 - FAX 203.746.9761 - TELEX 969.642/CARIN DURY - Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 01:38:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA18114 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA18067 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.0-4 #13110) id <01I2PPOU7W7K00205B@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:40:59 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05841; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:43:49 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:43:48 +0100 (MET) From: "Christoph P. Kukulies" Subject: Re: new sup server In-reply-to: <199603240733.XAA07511@precipice.shockwave.com> To: pst@shockwave.com (Paul Traina) Cc: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de, jdp@polstra.com, freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199603240943.KAA05841@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > From: petzi@zit.th-darmstadt.de (Michael Beckmann) > Subject: Re: new sup server > > I must agree with that. I tried to run a sup mirror in Germany, but have > never been able to make world or build a kernel with the sources from that > mirror. There has always been corruption of the source tree. Michael, as I told you before, I cannot quite share your experience. I supped yesterday -current from sup1.de.freebsd.org to a machine connected locally and the make world ran perfectly without a hitch. I agree with you that the international lines are stuffed up during daytime in Europe but suping nightly seems to work fine. > > I'm surprised. Are you talking -current, -stable, or -cvs? > > I build -current trees by suping off of sup2 (i.e. I'm my own customer) > every few days and have never had a sup-related corruption. > > Due to the highly loaded intercontinental lines, the sup updates from > Freefall can take several hours, and in rare cases, (in particular if > freefall doesn't let me in due to its ten user limit) they aren't finished > until next night. It appears that the situation has improved somewhat with > the new Internet connection of Freefall, though, which doesn't route > through MCI/BBNPlanet any more. > > I would really like to provide some service for up-to-date FreeBSD sources > in Europe, but sup simply doesn't work right under these conditions. I > wouldn't mind the updates taking several hours, but I do mind getting > garbled sources. They cost me a lot of time already. > > Sounds like a big call to fix CTM. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 01:47:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA19202 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA19191 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA22016 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:47:20 -0800 (PST) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: adduser project? Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: <22014.827660840@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Whatever happened to this? A couple of folks were working on it together, using the "spec" that I posted a few months back, and then nothing happened. Hey, if you guys are listening, it also just occurred to me that there should be a prompt which says: Add this user to the administrator's ("wheel") group? So that you can add a user for yourself and then be able to `su' properly the first time you telnet in.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 02:16:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA21931 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 02:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA21920 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 02:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA18349 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:16:33 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA25020 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:16:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA00946 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:38:14 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603240938.KAA00946@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:38:13 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603240845.TAA24105@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Mar 24, 96 07:15:50 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Michael Smith wrote: > > This means that every IP packet you send has to be fragmented into three > > IP fragments as it travels over the Internet, and if any single one of > > This only happens if your data has to move over a link imposing a > smaller MSS. Not many do - mostly PPP and SLIP links. Just as an evidence that the ``path MTU discovery'' seems to work. I'm doing all my remote traffic via SLIP with an MTU of 552 (not even 576). Anyway: j@uriah 1314% netstat -s | fgrep fragment 0 fragments received 0 fragments dropped (dup or out of space) 0 fragments dropped after timeout 0 output datagrams fragmented 0 fragments created 0 datagrams that can't be fragmented -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 03:17:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27149 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 03:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27111 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 03:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21923; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:20:33 +0200 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:20:33 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Frank Durda IV cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and MMX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Sat, 23 Mar 1996, Frank Durda IV wrote: > Is anybody looking ahead six to nine months when the Pentium and > Pentium-Pro chips with the MMX extensions start arriving in machines? > > For those of you who haven't hward anything about MMX, here is a real > quickie summary: > > MMX (not an acronym) is a set of additional opcodes Intel is adding to > new Pentium and Pentium Pro chips later this year. In effect, there will > be Pentiums that are smarter than other Pentiums, and the same will be true > in the Pentium Pro line. This already has computer-maker marketing > people worrying about the possibility of ending up with the "dumber" > Pentium systems left in stores when on the shelf next to them are systems > with the new "smarter" Pentiums. Intel will apparently try to prevent some > of this apples-to-apples comparison by bringing out the MMX chips at higher > speeds than plain Pentiums (initially), and offering lower speed versions > of the MMX chips later on. > > The MMX processor adds several new 64-bit registers to the system > that are off in a corner, similar to the way the floating point > registers and opcodes are handled. There are new opcodes for gettings > things in and out of the new registers, plus new opcodes that perform > operations on the new registers. (Again, this is real similar to how > the floating point subsystem works.) According to Intels WWW FAQ, they > didn't have mess with the integer microcode much, thus lowering the risk > of a compatibility flaw of some sort. > > The new operations are all geared to things found in graphics, > compression, and other repetitive algorithms. For example, it > is possible to load eight 8-bit values into one of these new > registers and perform eight adds simultaneously, without having the Carry > bits roll over from one eight-bit value to the next. There are > also some codes to do max/min type functions to avoid signed rollover. > > There is a flag in the chip that lets software identify the presence of > the MMX subsystem, and (according to the WWW FAQ), if MMX isn't there > and an application uses those opcodes, "an Intel-provided .DLL will Too bad they only think about .dlls... How about machines which don't run windows (or doesn't do it all the time?) > emulate those opcodes". Yeah, if you are running Windows. > > - - - - - -End of summary > > > No doubt, eventually someone will want to use these opcodes for > something under FreeBSD, and the assember/compiler will get updated to > support them. > > However, it appears that the MMX subsystem interfaces very similarly > to the way the floating point operations are performed, including using > the same exception mechaniams. Since it seems that FreeBSD has always > kept floating point support on the back of the back burner with > regard to error handling, GDB support, big fixes, etc, these weak areas > may bite us when it comes to trying to handle MMX. > > I am no expert on the floating point situation (and really don't want to > be), and things may not be as bad as people on the mailing lists have > portrayed, but if things are broken or not completely implemented, we need > to find some people willing to dig into floating point support and get its > house in order so that when MMX becomes available, we will have most of > the pieces already working. > > We might even have to think about doing MMX emulation, much like > we do floating point emulation now. Ugh. > > > Comments? > > If you are interested in MMX, the MMX Programmers Manual is available > electronically at www.intel.com (under a non-obvious button on the > right side of the home screen - sorry I am at a place where I can't look > right now). It's in Acrobat PDF format, five or six chapters plus > four appendixes, but there is a Windows viewer available you can use to > print it out, or you can wait until Intel has the exact same material in > available printed form. You don't have to use Windows or acrobat viewers for that - just use Ghostscript 3.5.1... > > FTC, All information in this posting came from material Intel disclosed > in the www.intel.com site or from the Programmers Manual. > > Frank Durda IV |"I can't tell the difference > or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | between Whizzo butter (pointing) > | this dead crab (pointing)." > or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - Monty Pythons' Flying Circus > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 03:51:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA29229 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 03:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA29222 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 03:51:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603241151.DAA29222@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA130228371; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:52:51 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: louie@TransSys.COM (Louis A. Mamakos) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 22:52:51 +1100 (EDT) Cc: taob@io.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603240511.AAA20790@wa3ymh.transsys.com> from "Louis A. Mamakos" at Mar 24, 96 00:11:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Louis A. Mamakos, sie said: > > > There is much confusion evident in the email message. > > First, the 576 byte packet size mentioned is the *minimum* MTU which > is "required" to be supported. Or something like that. In practice, 576 is minimum packet reassembly size, meaning any packet, upto and including, 576 *MUST* be able to be reassembled, if fragmented. The minimum MTU is 68. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 04:02:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA29871 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA29864 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 04:02:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA08699; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:52:47 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199603241152.GAA08699@hda.com> Subject: Re: Crash advice needed (long) APPENDIX A To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:52:46 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: hdalog@zipnet.net In-Reply-To: <199603230018.RAA03625@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 22, 96 05:18:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Maybe it was just the C, then? > > Help! Rod! 8-). Can I be Rod? (Let's see, where is my curmudgeon hat...) Early C's were aggressive with bus timing and they ran into problems with substandard cabling. Adaptec modified them to slow down the REQ/ACK timing. If you had problems with those early ones, or if you bought a late early one, you will have resistors tacked to the boards. I don't think this has anything to do with internal versus external cabling - I think people are just more likely to have lower quality external cables sitting around. I know I did - I had some external cables that worked and some that didn't. I had the board "fixed". Peter -- *** March 13, 1996: Our ISP may be GONE. You may never read this. *** *** "hda.com" connectivity is now intermittent to nonexistent *** Peter Dufault Real-Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 05:20:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA04656 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04648 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from 199.183.109.242 by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:20:09 -0600 Message-ID: Date: 24 Mar 1996 07:19:50 -0600 From: "Richard Wackerbarth" Subject: Re(2): Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: "Brian Tao" , "freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Michael Smith" X-Mailer: Mail*Link PT/Internet 1.6.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In other words, if your link is congested and is losing 20% of the packets, then those losses make the other two fragments useless too, giving you an 'effective' loss rate of 60%. > > This is bogus arithmetic; lossage is a normally a point event and results in the loss of one unit datagram around the point, regardless of its size. What is bogus about his arithmetic? If the losses are infrequent and not highly correlated, each loss causes a retransmission of the entire large packet. This causes the number of bytes retransmitted, and therefore the effective loss rate, to be multiplied by the fragmentation ratio. > This is most likely because the systems responsible for the 576-byte MSS cutdown (wherever they may be - I suspect his end of things) are not cooperating with the path MTU discovery performed by FreeBSD, and thus your FTP server (mistakenly) believes that it can send a 1536-byte segment without fragmentation. Although the original observation is correct, I believe that he is attacking the wrong member of the link. It would appear that we are doing things most appropriately and have nothing that WE should change. Do we cache the MSS or do we always start with a large value? Cacheing would be a "win" for the case of many short connections. (like www that does not use ttcp) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 05:46:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA05353 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:46:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from spooky.rwwa.com (rwwa.com [198.115.177.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05345 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 05:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.rwwa.com (localhost.rwwa.com [127.0.0.1]) by spooky.rwwa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA25854 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:46:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199603241346.IAA25854@spooky.rwwa.com> X-Authentication-Warning: spooky.rwwa.com: Host localhost.rwwa.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adduser project? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:47:20 PST." <22014.827660840@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:46:04 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Whatever happened to this? A couple of folks were working on it > together, using the "spec" that I posted a few months back, and > then nothing happened. And, even though there was a lot of disagreement about this, I still need some sort of deluser capability. In my case it would be better to do something imperfectly that to do nothing because you can't figure out what the perfect thing is to do. So, can I petition the lords of adduser to add some kind of deluser capability? Please? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 592 8935, Net: witr@rwwa.COM From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 06:17:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA06341 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06335 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 06:17:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id PAA14272; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:00:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03011; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:56:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:56:12 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: jkh@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi Jordan ! In order to get my 2nd disk labeled properly I tried to fiddle around with sysinstall a bit. First thing that might be done better: sysinstall is located in /stand and won't be touched by 'make worlds'. So I had on my -current system the one from the FreeBSD Release 2.0.5. ;-) Since between releases many things might change in installation/maintenance area, /stand should be upgraded during make world's... So I had to checkout the newest -current and to build it. To get sysinstall compiled I had to make the following changes: Index: release/sysinstall/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/src/release/sysinstall/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.27 diff -u -r1.27 Makefile - --- Makefile 1996/03/19 14:30:08 1.27 +++ Makefile 1996/03/24 13:20:59 @@ -11,10 +11,10 @@ makedevs.c media.c menus.c misc.c msg.c network.c nfs.c options.c \ package.c system.c tape.c tcpip.c termcap.c ufs.c variable.c wizard.c - -CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog +CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I../libdisk DPADD= ${LIBDIALOG} ${LIBNCURSES} ${LIBMYTINFO} ${LIBUTIL} ${LIBDISK} - -LDADD= -ldialog -lncurses -lmytinfo -lutil -ldisk +LDADD= -ldialog -lncurses -lmytinfo -lutil -L../libdisk -ldisk makedevs.c: Makefile rtermcap rm -f makedevs.tmp And to get it linked properly, I had to change the directory to ../libdisk manually to make libdisk. Final remark on adding a 2nd harddisk properly: Installing a 2nd harddisk with sysinstall isn't possible, because of the many extra sanity checks in the "Label" submenu. All you get is a "basic" disklabel in the "PARTITION" menu. But adding filesystems into the disklabel fails. You get error messages, that a / or /usr filesystem couldn't be found. And even if you do so, then an error messages tells you, that the disk couldn't be labeled. So everything that sysinstall gives to you, is a disk, that is "partially labeled" ;-) Another thing is, I had to manually change the disk geometry to 255/63 scheme. My first disk is so large (4GB) so that 64/32 head/sector mapping isn't sufficiant. If I don't change the geometry to 131/255/63, then the SCSI hostadapter BIOS complaints about it, that a drive with another geometry then the default boot disk was found. This prevents further booting, you have to press return, so ... it's deadly required, to change the geometry manually this time ... The nice part within sysinstall is, that it produces a basic disklabel, that allows you (in case you need it) to label the disk in a way, to be compatible with other OS's partitions, if you need it. So it reserves some extra space (53 sectors) at the beginning of the disk. BTW, best is, you write down the starting points and sizes in the PARTITION submenue. You need them later, if you write an entry for your disk in /etc/disktab. And, a disktab entry for my fujitsu now looks the following. The first entry was based on my first hacking without sysinstall, the 2nd with basic help of sysinstall... The other partitions I added here manually. # (ahc0:1:0): "FUJITSU M2694ES-512 8139" type 0 fixed SCSI 1 # sd1(ahc0:1:0): Direct-Access 1033MB (2117025 512 byte sectors) # sd1(ahc0:1:0): with 1819 cyls, 15 heads, and an average 77 sectors/track # 1819cyls * 15heads * 77sectors/track = 2100945 sectors # 1819cyls * 15heads * 78sectors/track = 2128230 sectors fujitsu|F2694ES|Fujitsu M2694ES-512 1.05GB:\ :dt=SCSI:\ :ty=winchester:\ :se#512:nt#15:ns#77:nc#1819:rm#5400:\ :pa#1893045:oa#207900:ba#8192:fa#1024:ta=4.2BSD:\ :pb#207900:ob#0:tb=swap: \ :pc#2117023:oc#0: fnew|newfujitsu|Fujitsu M2694ES-512 1.05GB:\ :dt=SCSI:\ :ty=winchester:\ :se#512:nt#255:ns#63:nc#131:rm#5400:\ :pa#1907844:oa#196608:ba#8192:fa#1024:ta=4.2BSD:\ :pb#196608:ob#0:tb=swap: \ :pc#2104452:oc#0:\ :pd#2104452:od#63: What makes me wonder is, that disklabel complains, if you choose the total sector size for the ":pc#" entry, which - - in theory - should reflect the total sector size of the disk. Choosing FreeBSD's slice size cures this, but it looks strange for me. BTW: One has to be carefull with the sector sizes for FreeBSD partitions, since the offset for the partition sizes starts with 0, where 0 is in fact "0 + 63", the offset of the FreeBSD slice. It's damn work to add a 2nd Harddisk :-) And for all of you who said "buh baeh", disklabel is outdated stuff, when I tried to help the user, who first asked ... HOW do YOU get a perfect disklabel for a 2nd disk, without using a proper disktab entry ???? Which hacked up -current are you using ?! :-(( Best would be, to make parts of sysinstall to a standalone program in /usr/sbin, where expert mode allows you to choose a partitioning in the "LABEL" submenu, as you like, without complaining about missing root and such ... But this seems to be a little extra work ... Since I already tried this and commented out three sanity checkings in the proper places ... The warning messages vanished, but ... the sysinstall core dumped during the "W"rite action :-( *sigh* ;-) What do you think about the following: don't remove the sanity checks in "LABEL" menue ("warning, you need a / filesystem, /usr filesystem), but make them only as WARNING's, so that one can ignore the WARNING's and skip them. Ok, this was a little long, but believe me, adding a 2nd disk was a bit long, too ;-)) Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVVUfPMLpmkD/U+FAQHZywQAxazoKKVPHl8LUKiV+k33847qPvF34u8/ AAw+6fgrhxwKJ1KyvLqCH+WckMEDk3wH6wyfwGUi1HJryPv2n1fEM8zRlCoCRUjp 4PgvwWGlQS3kvsXflP2ITcRtV1pjY5P4Kj+EX6OuauJClIY5kiJvbqkub4OhM+YP QkYTP2IbA38= =kAg2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 07:04:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08049 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@wa3ymh.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08044 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:04:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@localhost.TransSys.COM [127.0.0.1]) by wa3ymh.transsys.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21220; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:03:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603241503.KAA21220@wa3ymh.transsys.com> To: Michael Smith cc: taob@io.org (Brian Tao), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:15:50 +1030." <199603240845.TAA24105@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:03:56 -0500 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You can discount the "normal Internet packet size" concept; there ain't > no such animal. As has been already observed, 576 is the minimum > permitted MSS. To be completely correct, 576 would be considered the minimum MTU. Given that, the associated TCP MSS on that path ought to be 536 bytes. > This is bogus arithmetic; lossage is a normally a point event and results > in the loss of one unit datagram around the point, regardless of its size. > This is why small-packet proocols (like kermit) fare better on noisy > uncorrected lines than large-packet protocols like Ymodem. The arithmetic is not completely bogus; the loss of a single fragment renders the remainder of the fragments useless. (That is unless the protocol stacks have become significantly smarter and TCP retransmissions of the same segments use the same IP ID. I've never actually observed this.) This same issue revisits us today when you run an IP datagram though the slicer and dicer and turn it into ATM cells. louie From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 07:17:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08382 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:17:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08373 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 07:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA07746; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 02:17:07 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199603241517.CAA07746@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 02:17:06 +1100 (EST) Cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Mar 24, 96 02:56:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andreas Klemm writes: > Another thing is, I had to manually change the disk geometry > to 255/63 scheme. My first disk is so large (4GB) so that > 64/32 head/sector mapping isn't sufficiant. I didn't have any trouble with this .. 4101/64/32 worked just fine for a Quantum Atlas on a 2842 although trying to boot off it caused -stable to panic on a 1542B with pre >1gig BIOS/u-code support. This seemed to have something in common with the recently noted mailbox problems .. the 1542 wouldn't .. absolutely refused to read block 400 and hung at any attempt to do so .. fsck included. To get it running at all, I ended up booting an install disk, going to the fixit floppy, using vi to type in a version of disktab to match the drive in question, fdisk, disklabel, newfs .. It felt like I was typing in a boot loader with CP/M's DDT in the late '70s, michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 08:05:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA11843 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11838 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 08:05:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA23005; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 03:03:35 +1100 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 03:03:35 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603241603.DAA23005@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: andreas@knobel.gun.de, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Another thing is, I had to manually change the disk geometry >to 255/63 scheme. My first disk is so large (4GB) so that >64/32 head/sector mapping isn't sufficiant. >If I don't change the geometry to 131/255/63, then the >SCSI hostadapter BIOS complaints about it, that a drive >with another geometry then the default boot disk was found. >This prevents further booting, you have to press return, >so ... it's deadly required, to change the geometry manually >this time ... Which SCSI hostadaptor? Put in the list of discrecommended ones :-). ZI have the following which handle mixed geometries properly: bt445c sc200 >fnew|newfujitsu|Fujitsu M2694ES-512 1.05GB:\ > :dt=SCSI:\ > :ty=winchester:\ > :se#512:nt#255:ns#63:nc#131:rm#5400:\ > :pa#1907844:oa#196608:ba#8192:fa#1024:ta=4.2BSD:\ > :pb#196608:ob#0:tb=swap: \ > :pc#2104452:oc#0:\ > :pd#2104452:od#63: >What makes me wonder is, that disklabel complains, if you >choose the total sector size for the ":pc#" entry, which >- - in theory - should reflect the total sector size of the >disk. Partition C should have the same size as the logical drive (i.e., the slice). The drive should also have the same size as itself :-). You've made the drive size (#su) default to 255*63*131 = 2104515 = perhaps 63 too large. It must be getting silently truncated to 2104452 to work, or perhaps the drive really has at least (number of sectors before this slice) + 2104515 sectors. Partition D hasn't been special since 2.0 and shouldn't overlap the swap. The swap partition shouldn't be started at offset 0. That's where the bootblocks go. >And for all of you who said "buh baeh", disklabel is outdated stuff, >when I tried to help the user, who first asked ... HOW do YOU get >a perfect disklabel for a 2nd disk, without using a proper disktab >entry ???? Which hacked up -current are you using ?! :-(( disklabel /dev/rsd1 >/tmp/foo $EDITOR /tmp/foo # adjust sizes from disk size to slice size if different # fix rpm and interleave fields # fill in informational fields (optional) disklabel -R -r sd1 /tmp/foo ^note: no "/dev/r" E.g.: original: --- # /dev/rsd1: type: unknown disk: label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 523 sectors/unit: 8410200 rpm: 0 interleave: 0 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 3 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] c: 8410200 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 523*) --- After deviding the disk into 4 1GB FreeBSD slices, I edited the above to this for the first slice: --- # /dev/rsd1c: type: SCSI disk: XP34301 102C label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 255 sectors/cylinder: 16065 cylinders: 130 sectors/unit: 2104452 rpm: 7200 interleave: 1 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 0 - 4*) b: 131072 65536 swap # (Cyl. 4*- 12*) c: 2104452 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 130*) h: 1907844 196608 4.2BSD 1024 8192 16 # (Cyl. 12*- 130*) --- Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 09:19:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14553 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:19:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14548 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:19:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id SAA00598; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:00:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00472; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:47:31 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:47:30 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: michael butler cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile In-Reply-To: <199603241517.CAA07746@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, michael butler wrote: > Andreas Klemm writes: > > > Another thing is, I had to manually change the disk geometry > > to 255/63 scheme. My first disk is so large (4GB) so that > > 64/32 head/sector mapping isn't sufficiant. > > I didn't have any trouble with this .. 4101/64/32 worked just fine for a > Quantum Atlas on a 2842 although trying to boot off it caused -stable to > panic on a 1542B with pre >1gig BIOS/u-code support. Just a moment ;-) I'm running 3 OS's on my first hd, sd0. Windows 95, Windows NT and the last installed OS is FreeBSD. FreeBSD used then, of course, to be compatible with the rest, the 255/63 geometry. Now I wanted to add another harddisk and instead of looking for the default geometry on sd0, sysinstall choosed another, 64/32, which causes, when being used, that the controller BIOS prompts such warnings, as described, that prevents silent rebooting. You have to press ENTER, so that booting continues. And that is not comfortable. It would be fine, if the sysinstall utility would look for a suitable translation ... Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVV8o/MLpmkD/U+FAQE2tgQAxRtb2CzVcpnSdxwcSEPKlqtJ4HBGiKl6 Obj64GxYkBV/zA7dqmozEp8z2ZuptE762p61SHpkPzrU+O35o7xqxKVr+UjrSc6N 52ZmmUuauwtNTJc95bxrkyEzOmr+OtxwP/v8rJ0HVgMdO9KIivXuXOWrYlCpCiVn U5z3jVvTH98= =0Fpq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 09:19:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14575 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14569 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:19:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id SAA00685; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:00:37 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA00512; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:54:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:54:26 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Bruce Evans cc: jkh@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile In-Reply-To: <199603241603.DAA23005@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Bruce Evans wrote: > >Another thing is, I had to manually change the disk geometry > >to 255/63 scheme. My first disk is so large (4GB) so that > >64/32 head/sector mapping isn't sufficiant. > > >If I don't change the geometry to 131/255/63, then the > >SCSI hostadapter BIOS complaints about it, that a drive > >with another geometry then the default boot disk was found. > >This prevents further booting, you have to press return, > >so ... it's deadly required, to change the geometry manually > >this time ... > > Which SCSI hostadaptor? Put in the list of discrecommended > ones :-). ZI have the following which handle mixed geometries > properly: > > bt445c > sc200 Well, I have a AHA 2940 with Firmware release 1.16 if I remember right ;-) Well the Adaptec isn't that bad, but a bit picky ;-) > >fnew|newfujitsu|Fujitsu M2694ES-512 1.05GB:\ > > :dt=SCSI:\ > > :ty=winchester:\ > > :se#512:nt#255:ns#63:nc#131:rm#5400:\ > > :pa#1907844:oa#196608:ba#8192:fa#1024:ta=4.2BSD:\ > > :pb#196608:ob#0:tb=swap: \ > > :pc#2104452:oc#0:\ > > :pd#2104452:od#63: > > >What makes me wonder is, that disklabel complains, if you > >choose the total sector size for the ":pc#" entry, which > >- - in theory - should reflect the total sector size of the > >disk. > > Partition C should have the same size as the logical drive (i.e., the > slice). Uh, you're right ... I remembered it wrong when I was writing my mail, sorry. ;-) # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 65536 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 4*) b: 196608 65536 swap # (Cyl. 4*- 16*) c: 6345675 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 394) d: 3068875 3276800 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 203*- 394*) e: 131072 262144 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 16*- 24*) f: 524288 393216 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 24*- 57*) g: 262144 917504 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 57*- 73*) h: 2097152 1179648 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 73*- 203*) > The drive should also have the same size as itself :-). You've made the > drive size (#su) default to 255*63*131 = 2104515 = perhaps 63 too > large. It must be getting silently truncated to 2104452 to work, or > perhaps the drive really has at least (number of sectors before this > slice) + 2104515 sectors. > > Partition D hasn't been special since 2.0 and shouldn't overlap the > swap. You're so right, I'm so wrong ;-) ok... > The swap partition shouldn't be started at offset 0. That's where the > bootblocks go. Oh, ok, I didn't want to boot from it ;-) > >And for all of you who said "buh baeh", disklabel is outdated stuff, > >when I tried to help the user, who first asked ... HOW do YOU get > >a perfect disklabel for a 2nd disk, without using a proper disktab > >entry ???? Which hacked up -current are you using ?! :-(( > > disklabel /dev/rsd1 >/tmp/foo > $EDITOR /tmp/foo # adjust sizes from disk size to slice size if different > # fix rpm and interleave fields > # fill in informational fields (optional) > disklabel -R -r sd1 /tmp/foo > ^note: no "/dev/r" Hmmmm, this didn't work for me, perhaps I did something wrong. Well, next time, when I want to add another one, I'll try that out. Thanks Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVV+QvMLpmkD/U+FAQHI8gP/as8zouzyL4ksLF6C7K8qY7Heum3iKSmk XOuZmM35O+jDs4mPdg1nGubMkQN9YJMDU7rt8kGPDlBh6f28LQaXceJuJhcLzGJM tf7gEhxRAj4Myq2AGo8G7zqPcpsW4G5rwn5Y9utO9dV6Nq5fcbpLYQEm4hVS20L4 8NtIo5g+Zoo= =4MZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 09:46:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA15207 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from psycfrnd.interaccess.com (joeg@psycfrnd.interaccess.com [198.80.0.26]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA15202 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 09:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joeg@localhost) by psycfrnd.interaccess.com (8.7.2/8.6.9) id LAA26290; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:43:21 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Grosch Message-Id: <199603241743.LAA26290@psycfrnd.interaccess.com> Subject: Re: Adduser Status To: joeg@truenorth.org Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:43:20 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joeg@truenorth.org In-Reply-To: from "joeg" at Mar 24, 96 11:14:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >Great, so, uh, how's the project going? :) > > Jordan > >> > >> >Whatever happened to this? A couple of folks were working on it >> >together, using the "spec" that I posted a few months back, and >> >then nothing happened. >> > >> >Hey, if you guys are listening, it also just occurred to me that there >> >should be a prompt which says: >> > >> > Add this user to the administrator's ("wheel") group? >> > >> >So that you can add a user for yourself and then be able to `su' >> >properly the first time you telnet in.. :-) >> > >> > Jordan >> > >> >> Yea, we thought of it. Thanks, for the thinking about it. >> >> Josef Ummm... Well, work turned hellish so the project went to the back burner. We should have an Alpha by the first week of April. Josef -- Josef Grosch - joeg@truenorth.org | "Laugh while you can, monkey boy." http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg | - John Warfin - ========================================================================== Keeper of FreeBSD ported list - FreeBSD 2.1.0R http://www.interaccess.com/users/joeg/ported.html ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 10:14:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16242 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:14:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA16233 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:14:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA03651; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:14:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199603241814.KAA03651@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Michael Smith , taob@io.org (Brian Tao), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:03:56 EST." <199603241503.KAA21220@wa3ymh.transsys.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:14:26 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> You can discount the "normal Internet packet size" concept; there ain't >> no such animal. As has been already observed, 576 is the minimum >> permitted MSS. > >To be completely correct, 576 would be considered the minimum MTU. >Given that, the associated TCP MSS on that path ought to be 536 bytes. The TCP/IP header with options can be 64 bytes large, so this makes it 512. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 10:34:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA16872 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16867 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:34:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA23363; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:33:09 -0800 (PST) To: Andreas Klemm cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:56:12 +0100." Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:33:09 -0800 Message-ID: <23361.827692389@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > sysinstall is located in /stand and won't be touched by > 'make worlds'. So I had on my -current system the one > from the FreeBSD Release 2.0.5. ;-) Well, that's sort of intentional I guess. :-) > - -CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog > +CFLAGS+= -Wall -I${.CURDIR}/../../gnu/lib/libdialog -I../libdisk Libdisk is no longer in the release directory.. :-) > Installing a 2nd harddisk with sysinstall isn't possible, because > of the many extra sanity checks in the "Label" submenu. All you > get is a "basic" disklabel in the "PARTITION" menu. Check again - I have turned some of these off now. > And for all of you who said "buh baeh", disklabel is outdated stuff, > when I tried to help the user, who first asked ... HOW do YOU get > a perfect disklabel for a 2nd disk, without using a proper disktab > entry ???? Which hacked up -current are you using ?! :-(( I use a proper disktab entry.. :-) > Best would be, to make parts of sysinstall to a standalone > program in /usr/sbin, where expert mode allows you to choose It should allow you to invoke any of the submenus directly based on command-line arguments, so you could say: sysinstall label sd0 Which could in turn be called from a `disklabel' script: #!/bin/sh # New disklabel if [ $# -lt 1 ]; then echo Usage: $0 drive exit 1 fi sysinstall label $1 > What do you think about the following: don't remove the sanity > checks in "LABEL" menue ("warning, you need a / filesystem, /usr > filesystem), but make them only as WARNING's, so that one can > ignore the WARNING's and skip them. Check to see what I've done in -current; I believe it should work without a warning now. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 10:42:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA17138 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA17132 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 10:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA09968; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:35:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603241835.LAA09968@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and MMX To: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:35:08 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Frank Durda IV" at Mar 23, 96 10:30:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The MMX processor adds several new 64-bit registers to the system > that are off in a corner, similar to the way the floating point > registers and opcodes are handled. There are new opcodes for gettings > things in and out of the new registers, plus new opcodes that perform > operations on the new registers. (Again, this is real similar to how > the floating point subsystem works.) According to Intels WWW FAQ, they > didn't have mess with the integer microcode much, thus lowering the risk > of a compatibility flaw of some sort. > > The new operations are all geared to things found in graphics, > compression, and other repetitive algorithms. For example, it > is possible to load eight 8-bit values into one of these new > registers and perform eight adds simultaneously, without having the Carry > bits roll over from one eight-bit value to the next. There are > also some codes to do max/min type functions to avoid signed rollover. One question: soes this handle cache line byte addressing? Specifically, is it possible to have a non-aligned src and destination address on a copy and have it fixed up by the processor setting its pointer into the cache line to save multiple fetch cycles per copy unit? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 11:17:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA19284 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA19264 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 11:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with ESMTP id VAA22984 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:19:23 +0200 Received: from spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua!turtle.kiev.ua!turtle.kiev.ua!turtle.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id VAA12004 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:10:17 +0200 Received: from spider1.elvisti.kiev.ua (spider1.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.34]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id UAA05650 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:22:15 +0200 Received: from turtle.UUCP (uuturtle@localhost) by spider1.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with UUCP id UAA22733; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:16:29 +0200 Received: by turtle.kiev.ua (UUPC/@ v6.14f, 10May95); id AA05642 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:20:51 +0200 To: FreeBSD bugs Cc: FreeBSD hackers Organization: Moon Turtles Collection From: "Igor A. Serikov" Subject: A question concerning select(2) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:20:50 +0200 (UKR) Message-Id: X-Mailer: Multi Edit Mail v3.3 (c) Igor A. Serikov Lines: 41 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear developers, Let me ask you a quetion concerning select(2). As I know each task has its own set of file descriptors. The size of file descriptors table depends on the maxfilesperproc system parameter which may be changed dynamically using sysctl system call. The system looks for an unused slot in this table when handling such calls as open, create, accept and so on. Then it accesses a free descriptor with the lowest number. Go ahead. The man page claims: > int > select(int nfds, fd_set *readfds, fd_set *writefds, fd_set *exceptfds, > struct timeval *timeout) >.... > The first nfds descriptors are checked in each set; i.e., the descriptors > from 0 through nfds-1 in the descriptor sets are examined. >.... > The descriptor sets are stored as bit fields in arrays of integers. The > following macros are provided for manipulating such descriptor sets: > FD_ZERO(&fdsetx) initializes a descriptor set fdset to the null set. > FD_SET(fd, &fdset) includes a particular descriptor fd in fdset. > FD_CLR(fd, &fdset) removes fd from fdset. FD_ISSET(fd, &fdset) is non- > zero if fd is a member of fdset, zero otherwise. The behavior of these > macros is undefined if a descriptor value is less than zero or greater > than or equal to FD_SETSIZE, which is normally at least equal to the max- > imum number of descriptors supported by the system.^^^^^^^^^^ The point is that I can increase maxfilesperproc but cannot change FD_SETSIZE dynamically because the constant is hardcoded into the kernel and the implementation of select system call disallows to overrun it, and so I can get a descriptor which cannot be used by select. Am I wrong ? -- Igor A. Serikov at home. Kiev, Ukraine. Email: igor@turtle.kiev.ua From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 12:03:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21598 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA21593 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 12:03:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id FAA00665; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:03:31 +0900 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 05:03:31 +0900 Message-Id: <199603242003.FAA00665@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org, gbuchanan@shl.com Subject: [PCMCIA] Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet! From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I wrote a pccard enabler for Megahertz X-Jack Ethenet tonight(based on BUCHANAN Gardner's if_sn driver, posted to -hackers a few days ago). It works very fine! (>6Mbps on my Digital Hinote Ultra CS433 via TCP) To drive this card, I forced to modify /sys/pccard and /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard stuffs tens of lines, and of course I modified if_sn stuff so much. These modifications will be incorporated into the next release of our "pccard-test" package (based on 960323-SNAP). Hmm... I'm sleepy. It's 5:00 AM JST..... I go to bed now. Good night.... -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 13:31:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA25486 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:31:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from vermeer.helios.nd.edu (vermeer.helios.nd.edu [129.74.217.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA25478 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hyan@localhost) by vermeer.helios.nd.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00525; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:31:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Hong Yan (Karen)" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: write a device driver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I am writing a device driver on FreeBSD, but I don't know how to bind the device driver to the device, what's the entry point? And what files I should modify in order to assign the major, minor numbers and let kernel start the driver for this device. Any kind of direction is appreciated. --Karen From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 14:15:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA27534 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27525 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07851; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:15:02 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA20478 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:14:19 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA30431 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:08:58 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id NAA20598; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:28:39 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199603241228.NAA20598@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Driver for Cabletron E2100 ethernet card? To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 13:28:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: dshin@csci.unt.edu.gn.iaf.nl, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-help@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603232208.XAA25302@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 23, 96 11:08:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > We have about 20 80486 machines equipped with Cabletron E2100 cards. > > Is there anyone who have tried to port or develop a driver for this card > > on FreeBSD? > > What exactly is it? The number suggests it might be compatible with > the NE2100 card, which is actually supported by the `lnc' driver. Hmm. I had one of the CT cards and had never any luck with them on FreeBSD. Gave it to some poor misguided WFW user. Seems to work there AFAIK > cheers, J"org Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 14:16:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA27590 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:16:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27578 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA00102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:51:46 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA29511 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:51:45 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id SAA04465 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:55:07 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603241755.SAA04465@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:55:06 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Mar 24, 96 02:56:12 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andreas Klemm wrote: > In order to get my 2nd disk labeled properly I tried to fiddle around > with sysinstall a bit. Well, i'm not yet convinced that sysinstall should be tweaked to allow this. It's already a rather complex creation. I'm ``hacking around'' on an fdisk(8) replacement right now, using libdisk. I won't mind it if somebody else would come up with another / a better / an earlier approach, it's just that i'm tired of answering this question too many times in Usenet. If something else comes up earlier, or is better, i'll happily through away my work. (I wrote `fdisk', though this tool will most likely also include the disklabel functionality.) > And for all of you who said "buh baeh", disklabel is outdated stuff, > when I tried to help the user, who first asked ... HOW do YOU get > a perfect disklabel for a 2nd disk, without using a proper disktab > entry ???? Which hacked up -current are you using ?! :-(( You can already use ``disklabel -Brw sd1 auto'' with a -current disklabel(8), if all you want is a ``dangerously dedicated'' disk. This doesn't require a disktab entry, instead creates a template itself. You can subsequently use ``disklabel -e'' to create the partitions. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 14:17:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA27668 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27650 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 14:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id UAA00111 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:51:49 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id TAA29514 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:51:48 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id TAA04575 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:10:56 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603241810.TAA04575@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Crash advice needed (long) APPENDIX A To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:10:56 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603241152.GAA08699@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Mar 24, 96 06:52:46 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > I don't think this has anything to do with internal versus external > cabling - I think people are just more likely to have lower quality > external cables sitting around. It's much easier to get a uniform (across the length) impedance on a simple ribbon cable than on an external SCSI cable. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 15:43:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03492 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03486 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26045; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:30:47 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603250000.KAA26045@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Re(2): Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:30:47 +1030 (CST) Cc: taob@io.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au In-Reply-To: from "Richard Wackerbarth" at Mar 24, 96 07:19:50 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth stands accused of saying: > > >In other words, if your link is congested and is losing 20% of the packets, > then those losses make the other two fragments useless too, giving you an > 'effective' loss rate of 60%. > > > > This is bogus arithmetic; lossage is a normally a point event and results in > the loss of one unit datagram around the point, regardless of its size. > > What is bogus about his arithmetic? If the losses are infrequent and not > highly correlated, each loss causes a retransmission of the entire large > packet. This causes the number of bytes retransmitted, and therefore the > effective loss rate, to be multiplied by the fragmentation ratio. There are a couple of major bogosities in his argument : - The assumption that the fragment size is actually the normal MTU (which as has been previously described is not generally the case) - The assumption that the retransmission time for a packet is largely dependent on its size. - The assumption that a 20% hit on /3 fragmented packets will equate to a 60% loss of whole packets. This could only happen if the other two fragments of a packet became magically 'unloosable' after the first was lost. Imagine four barrels, red, green, blue, yellow, lined up. (Colour optional 8). Take a shot at them. Consider a holed barrel a 'lost packet'. Now take twelve smaller barrels, three of each of the four colours. Line them up in random order. Take a shot at them. Consider a holed barrel a 'lost packet' for the barrel's colour. Now take a couple more shots at each setup; think about it a bit 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 15:47:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03690 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03684 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 15:47:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA26083; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:34:27 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603250004.KAA26083@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: write a device driver To: hyan@vermeer.helios.nd.edu (Hong Yan) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:34:26 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Hong Yan" at Mar 24, 96 04:31:19 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hong Yan stands accused of saying: > > I am writing a device driver on FreeBSD, but I don't know how to > bind the device driver to the device, what's the entry point? And what > files I should modify in order to assign the major, minor numbers and let > kernel start the driver for this device. Any kind of direction is > appreciated. It depends on whether you're writing a driver for -current or an earlier version 8) In both cases, you should look at the code for a similar driver, and copy what it does. One day I intend to write a template to go with Eric H's DDWG. For non -current systems, you will want to modify /sys/i386/i386/conf.c to add your driver to the appropriate devsw struct, and /sys/i386/conf/files.i386 to tell config(8) about your new files. If this isn't enough information, feel free to mail me and I'll be happy to walk you through the process. > --Karen -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 16:30:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06066 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06056 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 16:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from why ([205.150.249.1]) by cicerone.uunet.ca with SMTP id <10839-4>; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:30:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 19:30:34 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman X-Sender: andrew@why To: "Louis A. Mamakos" cc: Brian Tao , FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? In-Reply-To: <199603240511.AAA20790@wa3ymh.transsys.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Actually Brian is having a fragment problem, this is from the IRC server machine which I run the IRC server on: ip: 44034396 total packets received 0 bad header checksums 0 with size smaller than minimum 0 with data size < data length 0 with header length < data size 0 with data length < header length 0 with bad options 0 with incorrect version number 245769 fragments received 0 fragments dropped (dup or out of space) 1886 fragments dropped after timeout 39671 packets reassembled ok 43571756 packets for this host 256542 packets for unknown/unsupported protocol 0 packets forwarded 0 packets not forwardable 0 redirects sent 40712754 packets sent from this host 816 packets sent with fabricated ip header 0 output packets dropped due to no bufs, etc. 13 output packets discarded due to no route 20314 output datagrams fragmented 91863 fragments created 0 datagrams that can't be fragmented Quite a bit really, perhaps Brian should drop it down to 1006. On my workstation at work I get the following, although not much traffic has occured since the last boot: ip: 281116 total packets received 0 bad header checksums 0 with size smaller than minimum 79 with data size < data length 0 with header length < data size 0 with data length < header length 0 with bad options 0 with incorrect version number 0 fragments received 0 fragments dropped (dup or out of space) 0 fragments dropped after timeout 0 packets reassembled ok 276621 packets for this host 335 packets for unknown/unsupported protocol 0 packets forwarded 4081 packets not forwardable 0 redirects sent 702701 packets sent from this host 0 packets sent with fabricated ip header 0 output packets dropped due to no bufs, etc. 0 output packets discarded due to no route 0 output datagrams fragmented 0 fragments created 0 datagrams that can't be fragmented Andrew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: > > There is much confusion evident in the email message. > > First, the 576 byte packet size mentioned is the *minimum* MTU which > is "required" to be supported. Or something like that. In practice, > most every link level encapsulation in use supports a 1500 byte MTU. > The big exception to this these days is SLIP/PPP where a much smaller > MTU is used to prevent interactive traffic from being "stuck" behind > really large packets and screwing the echo response. > > Second, any fragmentation which would occur would happen in a IP > router, which has an IP datagram it needs to transmit. If the > interface which the packet needs to be forwarded over has an MTU > smaller than the packet, then the fragmentation function occurs at > that point. That is, unless the "don't fragment" bit is set. It's > somewhat likely that it may be set, as the TCP in FreeBSD does MTU > path discovery to "feel" the MTU along the path from the sender to the > recpient's TCP. This is done by setting "Don't Fragment", and looking > for ICMP messages coming back. When the path's MTU is discovered, the > TCP can arrange to not send TCP segments larger than the MTU. > > Third, most long-haul links on the Internet today likely have 4K MTUs, > which is usually used on FDDI and HSSI (to connect to DS3 links) > interfaces. So, it's pretty unlikely that ethernet MTU sizes packets > would be a problem. > > Fourth, you can verify that there's actually dropped fragments > happening by looking on the receiving machine and doing a 'netstat -s' > to look for the number of fragments received, as well as the number > dropped due to reassembly timeouts. I suspect that the number will be > 0. > > I don't think that you actually have a problem, or anything that you > need to change.. > > louie > > > > Anyone know what this guy is saying? I figured fragmentation and > > reassembly would happen between the FTP server's Ethernet interface > > and that of the router to the Internet. Is there any validity to this > > guy's suggestion? > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 17:30:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10704 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10672 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 17:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA26791; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:12:13 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603250142.MAA26791@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Changing Ethernet frame size to 576 bytes? To: andrew@whine.com (Andrew Herdman) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:12:12 +1030 (CST) Cc: louie@TransSys.COM, taob@io.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Herdman" at Mar 24, 96 07:30:34 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Herdman stands accused of saying: > > Actually Brian is having a fragment problem, this is from the IRC server > machine which I run the IRC server on: > > ip: > 44034396 total packets received ... > 245769 fragments received ... > 1886 fragments dropped after timeout > 39671 packets reassembled ok ... > Quite a bit really, perhaps Brian should drop it down to 1006. On my > workstation at work I get the following, although not much traffic has > occured since the last boot: Um. Some math : (245769-1186)/39761 ~= 6 fragments/packet (average). For the worst case, where all but one fragment is lost every time, we have 1886/44034396 or 0.004% of the total received packet count lost due to fragment loss. Looking at it from a different angle, 39671/44034393 gives us 0.09% of received packets were fragmented. I'd be rather inclined to call these numbers "marginal", unless you could link them to a specific host or route somewhere, in which case I'd call them "Someone Else's Problem" 8) > Andrew -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 18:14:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12354 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net (root@fly.HiWAAY.net [204.214.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12346 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 18:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from max2-163.HiWAAY.net by fly.HiWAAY.net; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id AA23651; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:14:16 -0600 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:14:20 -0600 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) From: dkelly@hiwaay.net (David Kelly) Subject: Re: [was/is: adding 2nd disk] little changes to sysinstall/Makefile Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:55 AM 3/24/96, J Wunsch wrote: >You can already use ``disklabel -Brw sd1 auto'' with a -current >disklabel(8), if all you want is a ``dangerously dedicated'' disk. >This doesn't require a disktab entry, instead creates a template >itself. You can subsequently use ``disklabel -e'' to create the >partitions. The above is an example of why I keep post-it notes next to my computers. :-) -- David Kelly N4HHE, n4hhe@amsat.org, dkelly@hiwaay.net ============================================================= To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. - Thomas Edison From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 20:52:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18684 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:52:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu (root@burdell.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18679 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from oscar.cc.gatech.edu (cau@oscar.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.107.12]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA03749; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from cau@localhost) by oscar.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) id XAA24485; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: cau@cc.gatech.edu (Carlos Ugarte) Message-Id: <199603250452.XAA24485@oscar.cc.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Crash advice needed APPENDIX B To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 23:52:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603230623.WAA26014@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 22, 96 10:23:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > 7. It has been suggested that I remove the cache. I'll just > > mention that the cache and the board it is plugged-into were > > both replaced earlier and there was no change in failure rate. > > Further, this board/cache has no trouble with SCO UNIX, > > Windows '95 and Windows NT which have all run on it previously [snip] > Because SCO Unix, Windows 95 and Windows NT are all gross in the way > they handled bus master DMA disk controllers, they use a dedicated > buffer area that is marked uncacheable just so they can run on the > broken cache coherency motherboards. Can you say totally defeat > the purpose of bus master DMA buy having the processor bcopy data > around... Unfortunately, I've got one of these broken motherboards. Is there a way to make FreeBSD behave the same way? That is, to mark some memory block uncacheable (I guess this would be the bounce buffers area)? I realize this would be counterproductive (decreased performance) in most cases, but in my case it might help (I am able to use my DMA busmaster car at lower CPU speeds, but I'd like to see the results of using a higher clock value). Carlos -- Carlos A. Ugarte cau@cc.gatech.edu Author of PageMage, a virtual desktop util for OS/2 http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/cau/ Computer Science Senior at Georgia Tech From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 21:01:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19052 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19047 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24812; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:57:02 +1100 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:57:02 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603250457.PAA24812@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bugs@freebsd.org, igor@turtle.kiev.ua Subject: Re: A question concerning select(2) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The point is that I can increase maxfilesperproc but cannot change >FD_SETSIZE dynamically because the constant is hardcoded into the kernel >and the implementation of select system call disallows to overrun it, >and so I can get a descriptor which cannot be used by select. > Am I wrong ? You're right. This is an old bug. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 24 21:17:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA19703 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA19683 Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA28302; Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:16:48 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199603250516.VAA28302@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Crash advice needed APPENDIX B To: cau@cc.gatech.edu (Carlos Ugarte) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 21:16:47 -0800 (PST) Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603250452.XAA24485@oscar.cc.gatech.edu> from "Carlos Ugarte" at Mar 24, 96 11:52:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > 7. It has been suggested that I remove the cache. I'll just > > > mention that the cache and the board it is plugged-into were > > > both replaced earlier and there was no change in failure rate. > > > Further, this board/cache has no trouble with SCO UNIX, > > > Windows '95 and Windows NT which have all run on it previously > > [snip] > > > Because SCO Unix, Windows 95 and Windows NT are all gross in the way > > they handled bus master DMA disk controllers, they use a dedicated > > buffer area that is marked uncacheable just so they can run on the > > broken cache coherency motherboards. Can you say totally defeat > > the purpose of bus master DMA buy having the processor bcopy data > > around... > > Unfortunately, I've got one of these broken motherboards. Is > there a way to make FreeBSD behave the same way? That is, to > mark some memory block uncacheable (I guess this would be the > bounce buffers area)? I realize this would be counterproductive > (decreased performance) in most cases, but in my case it might > help (I am able to use my DMA busmaster car at lower CPU > speeds, but I'd like to see the results of using a higher clock > value). I can only theorize here as I am not that familiar with the current vm system in FreeBSD but... it should not be that major of a task to mark the bounce buffer region as uncachable (simply 1 or 2 bits per PTE in the page tables for this region) and then modify the bounce buffer code to _always_ bounce the I/O through the buffer. This would totally defeat bus mastered DMA, but it would infact allow broken hardware to run. It is going to take the likes of David Greenman or John Dyson to actually go implement it, and I would rather see them spend there time working on fixing critical software bugs that cause even good hardware to crash on occasion that is effecting _everyone_. Just my $1.00 worth... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 01:09:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA05703 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA05631 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 01:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA15549 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:08:42 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA05665 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:08:43 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA09010 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:01:02 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603250901.KAA09010@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Somebody's got some time to burn? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:01:02 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Matthieu Herrb has just been posting a set of fixes to the XFree86 beta list to convert the xterm to termios (instead of sgtty). He says that this is the last application for NetBSD that still requires the COMPAT_43 stuff. And now the interesting news: their getty(8) has already been converted! So somebody with a bit of time to burn should have a look at their getty implementation, and see if we could steal^H^H^H^H^Himport it without much hassles. Our getty is the most prominent application from the core system that's still using this old crap. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 06:48:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00121 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 06:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00113 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 06:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA24468; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:47:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:47:20 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: Robert Withrow cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adduser project? In-Reply-To: <199603241346.IAA25854@spooky.rwwa.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 24 Mar 1996, Robert Withrow wrote: > > Whatever happened to this? A couple of folks were working on it > > together, using the "spec" that I posted a few months back, and > > then nothing happened. > > And, even though there was a lot of disagreement about this, I > still need some sort of deluser capability. In my case it would > be better to do something imperfectly that to do nothing because you > can't figure out what the perfect thing is to do. > > So, can I petition the lords of adduser to add some kind of deluser > capability? Please? I've written a removeuser utility for FreeBSD that a number of people are using, and it's been used heavily at my site. I've mentioned it on this list a couple of times. It's now available at ftp://ftp.dsu.edu/pub/FreeBSD/ghelmer/removeuser.tar.gz > Robert Withrow, Tel: +1 617 592 8935, Net: witr@rwwa.COM Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 07:07:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01860 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:07:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA01842 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA18322 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:05:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199603251505.QAA18322@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: pst@Shockwave.COM (Paul Traina) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 16:02:12 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603240722.XAA05734@precipice.shockwave.com>; from "Paul Traina" at Mar 23, 96 11:22 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What's the state of remote debugging of the kernel? Is this code so old and > crufty that it's bitrotted beyond hope, or is anyone actually doing this today? I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 07:20:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02742 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:20:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02737 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27063; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:19:23 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: pst@Shockwave.COM (Paul Traina), hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:02:12 +0700." <199603251505.QAA18322@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:19:22 -0800 Message-ID: <27061.827767162@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If > you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In > particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? gdb-remote! gdb-remote! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 07:22:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02814 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02809 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA19245 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:21:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199603251521.QAA19245@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 16:18:49 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, pst@Shockwave.COM, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <27061.827767162@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 25, 96 7:19 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If >> you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In >> particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? > > gdb-remote! gdb-remote! Serial or Ethernet? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 07:40:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03927 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA03919 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:40:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27138; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:39:16 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: pst@Shockwave.COM, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:18:49 +0700." <199603251521.QAA19227@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:39:16 -0800 Message-ID: <27135.827768356@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >> I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If > >> you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In > >> particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? > > > > gdb-remote! gdb-remote! > > Serial or Ethernet? > > Greg Serial. I'm not aware of any IP based method of talking to a remote gdb, and frankly I'm not even sure how it would work while single-stepping a kernel - getting a packet off the wire and delivering it to a usermode process takes quite a few steps, after all, and you'd probably be left with a rather difficult debugging scenario! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 07:46:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA04334 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:46:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04315 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA20473 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:44:27 +0100 Message-Id: <199603251544.QAA20473@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 16:41:37 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, pst@Shockwave.COM, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <27135.827768356@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 25, 96 7:39 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>> I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If >>>> you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In >>>> particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? >>> >>> gdb-remote! gdb-remote! >> >> Serial or Ethernet? > > Serial. I'm not aware of any IP based method of talking to a remote > gdb, I don't know of anything involving gdb, but when I was with Tandem about 5 years ago, they had something similar for the Integrity series. > and frankly I'm not even sure how it would work while > single-stepping a kernel - getting a packet off the wire and > delivering it to a usermode process takes quite a few steps, after > all, and you'd probably be left with a rather difficult debugging > scenario! :-) Yes, I had my doubts, too, but at least one manufacturer has managed it, and the question isn't "is it easy", but rather "is it desirable"? One obvious approach would be to leave interrupts enabled but change all the vectors on entering the debugger, such that most interrupts get ignored, and the ethernet interrupt goes to a special, stripped-down driver. Note also that the remote debug interface is in the kernel, and not a user process. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 08:00:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA05222 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05214 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA27217; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:59:48 -0800 (PST) To: Greg Lehey cc: pst@Shockwave.COM, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:41:37 +0700." <199603251544.QAA20457@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 07:59:48 -0800 Message-ID: <27215.827769588@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I don't know of anything involving gdb, but when I was with Tandem > about 5 years ago, they had something similar for the Integrity > series. I'd be interested to know how this worked. > Yes, I had my doubts, too, but at least one manufacturer has managed > it, and the question isn't "is it easy", but rather "is it desirable"? Perhaps, but can we tackle the serial case first? :-) Being able to leverage off of people's existing gdb knowledge would be a real boon - I certainly have the gdb commands pretty much wired into my brain at this point, along with the emacs motion keys.. :-) > stripped-down driver. Note also that the remote debug interface is in > the kernel, and not a user process. Sorry, I phrased that wrong - I'm aware of the degree of separation between debugger and debugee. I simply meant that stepping the kernel past all the code required to deliver an outgoing message packet to the user-mode gdb running elsewhere would be non-trivial. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 08:36:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07998 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from whyy.org (jehrenkrantz@internal-gw.whyy.org [199.234.236.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07993 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 08:36:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehrenkrantz@localhost) by whyy.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA00628; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:35:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:35:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Ehrenkrantz To: Freebsd Hackers Subject: AMD 586 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone have an stories on using the AMD nx586 good or bad? tnx..je From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 09:28:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA14509 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:28:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA14484 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA12203; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:18:05 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603251718.KAA12203@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Crash advice needed APPENDIX B To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:18:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: cau@cc.gatech.edu, uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603250516.VAA28302@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Mar 24, 96 09:16:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Because SCO Unix, Windows 95 and Windows NT are all gross in the way > > > they handled bus master DMA disk controllers, they use a dedicated > > > buffer area that is marked uncacheable just so they can run on the > > > broken cache coherency motherboards. Can you say totally defeat > > > the purpose of bus master DMA buy having the processor bcopy data > > > around... > > > > Unfortunately, I've got one of these broken motherboards. Is > > there a way to make FreeBSD behave the same way? That is, to > > mark some memory block uncacheable (I guess this would be the > > bounce buffers area)? I realize this would be counterproductive > > (decreased performance) in most cases, but in my case it might > > help (I am able to use my DMA busmaster car at lower CPU > > speeds, but I'd like to see the results of using a higher clock > > value). > > I can only theorize here as I am not that familiar with the current > vm system in FreeBSD but... it should not be that major of a task > to mark the bounce buffer region as uncachable (simply 1 or 2 bits > per PTE in the page tables for this region) and then modify the > bounce buffer code to _always_ bounce the I/O through the buffer. > > This would totally defeat bus mastered DMA, but it would infact allow > broken hardware to run. I'd like to point out at this time that Cyrix/TI chipmask processors not based on the IBM masks Cyrix got a while back do *not* honor the non-cacheable bit in any case. A BINVD would be required to manually flush the cache, or the cache would still need to be turned off for these systems. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 09:47:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17203 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from precipice.shockwave.com (precipice.shockwave.com [171.69.108.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17183 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.shockwave.com (localhost.shockwave.com [127.0.0.1]) by precipice.shockwave.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA04434; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:46:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603251746.JAA04434@precipice.shockwave.com> To: Greg Lehey cc: hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:02:12 +0700." <199603251504.QAA18305@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:46:47 -0800 From: Paul Traina Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk remote gdb over a local serial port would be just fine, I think asking for ethernet is way too much... if you want ethernet, you can always use another PC or terminal server as a terminal server. :-) Paul From: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? > What's the state of remote debugging of the kernel? Is this code so old an >>d > crufty that it's bitrotted beyond hope, or is anyone actually doing this to >>day? I'm planning to rework kernel debugging in about a month's time. If you have any opinions about what should go in, please let me know. In particular, do you want debugging over Ethernet? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 09:50:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17878 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA17870 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA18955 ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:50:50 -0800 Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16984(5)>; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:48:49 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:48:41 -0800 To: Greg Lehey cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), pst@shockwave.com, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 96 07:18:49 PST." <199603251521.QAA19245@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:48:26 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar25.094841pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199603251521.QAA19245@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> you write: >Serial or Ethernet? Serial, for sure, since you might not even have an ethernet card. Ethernet would be cool, though. NeXTStep does this, (they don't use IP, just raw ethernet frames), and I could at least figure out what protocol they use if we care about being compatible. Raw ethernet has the advantage of being easier to implement, but the disadvantage of needing to do your debugging from a box on the same physical network. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 09:52:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA18053 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18008 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27005 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:51:22 +0100 Message-Id: <199603251751.SAA27005@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: fenner@parc.xerox.com (Bill Fenner) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 18:48:30 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de, jkh@time.cdrom.com, pst@shockwave.com, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <96Mar25.094841pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com>; from "Bill Fenner" at Mar 25, 96 9:48 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In message <199603251521.QAA19245@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> you write: >> Serial or Ethernet? > > Serial, for sure, since you might not even have an ethernet card. Sure, I had never intended to do *only* Ethernet. > Ethernet would be cool, though. NeXTStep does this, (they don't use > IP, just raw ethernet frames), and I could at least figure out what > protocol they use if we care about being compatible. > > Raw ethernet has the advantage of being easier to implement, but the > disadvantage of needing to do your debugging from a box on the same > physical network. I honestly don't think that the difference between raw Ethernet and some semblance of IP is the real problem, though if it is, there's no reason not to write a little forwarding process which runs on another system on the local net. Let's see if I get any feedback on how Tandem did it, though. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 10:05:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA18796 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA18791 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:05:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <17026(3)>; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:04:14 PST Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25405; Mon, 25 Mar 96 13:04:24 EST Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27563; Mon, 25 Mar 96 13:04:22 EST Message-Id: <9603251804.AA27563@gnu.mc.xerox.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), tam@clk01051.dorm.tcu.edu (Tam Weng Seng) Cc: linux-msdos@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 23 Mar 1996 14:44:04 PST." <199603232244.XAA25758@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:04:20 PST From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk There's netbsd code in the tree to handle netbsd for dosemu 0.63.1.1... What's the status of moving the netbsd in freebsd? I was under the impression freebsd was a release which takes advantage of the Intel processor architecture, this fact is kind of counter-intuitive (I figured netbsd would lag freebsd...not the other way around). I'm also a little disturbed at how much #ifdefs are required for netbsd/linux... -- marty leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Member of the League for Programming Freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 10:30:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21380 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21361 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:30:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (lislip.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id TAA04983 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:29:31 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA04210; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:44:51 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results Date: 25 Mar 1996 10:44:51 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 19 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4j5tf3$41n@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <199603232159.QAA00249@dyson.iquest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John S. Dyson (toor@dyson.iquest.net) wrote: : I agree that SCSI is generally better for high-end solutions, but I : was somewhat pleasantly suprised to see these results with a 1.6GB WD Caviar : IDE drive... ... [bonnie results deleted] ... is that still on your 486dx2 66 machine with 20 meg and a standard isa ide controller ? - or do you have a new machine :-) t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 10:44:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23405 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:44:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23398 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 10:44:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u1HFi-0003wkC; Mon, 25 Mar 96 10:44 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11722; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:00:47 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill Fenner cc: Greg Lehey , jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), pst@shockwave.com, hackers@freebsd.org, bde@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 09:48:26 PST." <96Mar25.094841pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 17:00:46 +0000 Message-ID: <11720.827773246@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ethernet would be cool, though. NeXTStep does this, (they don't use > IP, just raw ethernet frames), and I could at least figure out what > protocol they use if we care about being compatible. I'd rather have IP, that would allow >really< remote debugging. > Raw ethernet has the advantage of being easier to implement, but the > disadvantage of needing to do your debugging from a box on the same > physical network. Yeah, not much use for me... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 12:18:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02495 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02489 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:18:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA13650; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:19:05 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199603252019.VAA13650@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: New PCBRIDGE To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:19:04 +0100 (MET) Cc: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it (Luigi Rizzo) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk For those interested... I have done quite a bit of rewriting of my pcbridge code, which is now much more stable than the previously released version (which was quite buggy). Those who want to try it, please get the updated version from my home site: http://www.iet.unipi.it/bdg300.tgz Among other things, I have added buffering of incoming packets, so that now it might become feasible to do bridging between an ethernet and a much slower link (e.g. a serial/parallel port) if someone wants to add the code. Performance is not so bad. On a 486/66 (I can't find 386 anymore!) ping times between two nearby systems increases by 500us for standard-sized packets, and some 5ms for 1500-byte packets (the bridge is store-and-forward). This with ISA boards. Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 12:57:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04248 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (aeffle.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04243 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by aeffle.Stanford.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.6) id MAA09464; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:56:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 12:56:59 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Jeff Ehrenkrantz cc: Freebsd Hackers Subject: Re: AMD 586 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Jeff Ehrenkrantz wrote: > Does anyone have an stories on using the AMD nx586 good or bad? > tnx..je > Are you referring to the AMD 5x86? NexGen makes the Nx586. Yep, this can be confusing because.... There's the AMD 5x86, Cyrix 586, NexGen Nx586, and of course the Pentium. The first two use a 486 style pinout, and the remaining 2 use their own pinouts. The AMD 5x86-133 is a bit faster than a Pentium 75 and a Cyrix 586-100 according to AMD's WWW page. (see http://www.amd.com/html/products/pcd/5x86/20030a.html) The Cyrix 586-120 gets close to the speed of a Pentium-90. The NexGen PF110 is about the speed of a 110Mhz Pentium (if one existed) and even besting out a Pentium 133 according to numbers from Winstone 95 for 32bit code. (see http://www2.shoppersnet.com/pf110stats.html for NexGen PF110 numbers) (see http://www2.shoppersnet.com/p133stats.html for Pentium 133 numbers) As for the NexGen 586 PF110, I tried it with FreeBSD 2.1R and it works great. No compatibility problems and is very fast. Info can be found at: AMD (www.amd.com) Cyrix (www.cyrix.com) Intel (www.intel.com) NexGen (www.nexgen.com and http://www2.shoppersnet.com) or newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardare.chips From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 13:31:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA06957 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from aeffle.Stanford.EDU (aeffle.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06940 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:31:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hlew@localhost) by aeffle.Stanford.EDU (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA08845; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:31:44 -0800 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Jeff Ehrenkrantz , Freebsd Hackers Subject: Re: AMD 586 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ooops... human RAM error! I meant Norton SI-32. Splash! Ahh.... I'm awake now. > On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Jeff Ehrenkrantz wrote: > > > Does anyone have an stories on using the AMD nx586 good or bad? > > tnx..je > > > > Are you referring to the AMD 5x86? NexGen makes the Nx586. Yep, this can > be confusing because.... There's the AMD 5x86, Cyrix 586, NexGen Nx586, > and of course the Pentium. The first two use a 486 style pinout, and > the remaining 2 use their own pinouts. > > The AMD 5x86-133 is a bit faster than a Pentium 75 and a Cyrix 586-100 > according to AMD's WWW page. > (see http://www.amd.com/html/products/pcd/5x86/20030a.html) > > The Cyrix 586-120 gets close to the speed of a Pentium-90. The NexGen > PF110 is about the speed of a 110Mhz Pentium (if one existed) and even > besting out a Pentium 133 according to numbers from Winstone 95 for 32bit > code. > (see http://www2.shoppersnet.com/pf110stats.html for NexGen PF110 numbers) > (see http://www2.shoppersnet.com/p133stats.html for Pentium 133 numbers) > > As for the NexGen 586 PF110, I tried it with FreeBSD 2.1R and it works > great. No compatibility problems and is very fast. > > > Info can be found at: > AMD (www.amd.com) > Cyrix (www.cyrix.com) > Intel (www.intel.com) > NexGen (www.nexgen.com and http://www2.shoppersnet.com) > or newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardare.chips > > /--------------------------------------\ / Howard Lew \ < Email: hlew@genome.stanford.edu > \ http://www.shoppersnet.com / \--------------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 13:37:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA07600 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from whyy.org (jehrenkrantz@internal-gw.whyy.org [199.234.236.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07570 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 13:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jehrenkrantz@localhost) by whyy.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09865; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:37:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:37:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Ehrenkrantz To: Howard Lew cc: Freebsd Hackers Subject: Re: AMD 586 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Howard Lew wrote: > On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, Jeff Ehrenkrantz wrote: > > > Does anyone have an stories on using the AMD nx586 good or bad? > > tnx..je > > > > Are you referring to the AMD 5x86? NexGen makes the Nx586. Yep, this can ^ that's the one. > > As for the NexGen 586 PF110, I tried it with FreeBSD 2.1R and it works > great. No compatibility problems and is very fast. > That's what I was hoping for! Thanks for getting back so quickly. Looks like time to redo the FreeBSD box BTW Tiger has great prices for units with HS io/EIDE/PCI slots ..je From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 14:49:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13105 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13096 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 14:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id XAA11734 ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:48:57 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id XAA23183 ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:48:45 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id VAA19010; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:00:50 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199603252000.VAA19010@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project To: leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com (Marty Leisner) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:00:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Hackers' list) In-Reply-To: <9603251804.AA27563@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from Marty Leisner at "Mar 25, 96 10:04:20 am" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1788 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Marty Leisner said: > What's the status of moving the netbsd in freebsd? > I was under the impression freebsd was a release which takes advantage > of the Intel processor architecture, this fact is kind of counter-intuitive > (I figured netbsd would lag freebsd...not the other way around). The biggest problem with DOSEMU is that we don't have a VM86() interface in our kernel whereas NetBSD does. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Mar 18 21:28:18 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 15:22:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA15382 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:22:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15362 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 15:22:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA15455; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:20:43 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA13823; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:20:44 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id AAA11065; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:09:33 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603252309.AAA11065@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:09:32 +0100 (MET) Cc: tam@clk01051.dorm.tcu.edu, linux-msdos@vger.rutgers.edu Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9603251804.AA27563@gnu.mc.xerox.com> from "Marty Leisner" at Mar 25, 96 10:04:20 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Marty Leisner wrote: > What's the status of moving the netbsd in freebsd? I don't think we are going to move NetBSD into FreeBSD. :-) > I was under the impression freebsd was a release which takes advantage > of the Intel processor architecture, this fact is kind of counter-intuitive Obviously, nobody has been interested seriously enough by now. Seems there are way too few DOS weenies around here. ;) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 16:50:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22614 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabal.io.org (cabal.io.org [198.133.36.103]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22577 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:49:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by cabal.io.org (8.7.4/8.7.4) id TAA14782; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:47:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 19:47:33 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Restricting ping -s and -l Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are there any good reasons why a non-root user should need the -s and -l options in ping? I've had problems in the past with users starting up a dozen "ping -s 8000"'s to a foreign site, saturating our own T1 to the net. Who needs ping -f when you can control the packet size. :( I can't really think of any legitimate reason for allowing -s and -l to unprivileged user, but before I modify the source, I figured I'd ask around first. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) System and Network Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 18:38:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01205 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from postbox.anu.edu.au (postbox.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA01176 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from coombs.anu.edu.au by postbox.anu.edu.au with SMTP (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA104687875; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:37:55 +1000 From: Darren Reed Received: by coombs.anu.edu.au (1.38.193.4) id AA03198; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:37:55 +1100 Message-Id: <9603260237.AA03198@coombs.anu.edu.au> Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:37:54 +1100 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 25, 96 07:47:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Brian Tao, sie said: > > Are there any good reasons why a non-root user should need the -s > and -l options in ping? I've had problems in the past with users > starting up a dozen "ping -s 8000"'s to a foreign site, saturating our > own T1 to the net. Who needs ping -f when you can control the packet > size. :( > > I can't really think of any legitimate reason for allowing -s and > -l to unprivileged user, but before I modify the source, I figured I'd > ask around first. :) Do you stop them sending arbitary 8000 byte UDP packets ? Or is it the reurns which hurt ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 18:46:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA02329 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02311 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:46:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA29838; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:45:22 -0800 (PST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers), tam@clk01051.dorm.tcu.edu, linux-msdos@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:09:32 +0100." <199603252309.AAA11065@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:45:22 -0800 Message-ID: <29836.827808322@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I'm interested and have been pursuing something for the last 2 months or so which may actually bear fruit in a few days - the original message reminded me to send another ping and I just got a favorable response. And that's all I'm going to say for now.. :-) Jordan > As Marty Leisner wrote: > > > What's the status of moving the netbsd in freebsd? > > I don't think we are going to move NetBSD into FreeBSD. :-) > > > I was under the impression freebsd was a release which takes advantage > > of the Intel processor architecture, this fact is kind of counter-intuitive > > Obviously, nobody has been interested seriously enough by now. Seems > there are way too few DOS weenies around here. ;) > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 18:56:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03637 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03619 Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA15825; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:54:20 +1100 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:54:20 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603260254.NAA15825@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lehey.pad@sni.de Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? Cc: bde@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, pst@Shockwave.COM Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> and frankly I'm not even sure how it would work while >> single-stepping a kernel - getting a packet off the wire and >> ... >... >One obvious approach would be to leave interrupts enabled but change >all the vectors on entering the debugger, such that most interrupts >get ignored, and the ethernet interrupt goes to a special, >stripped-down driver. Note also that the remote debug interface is in >the kernel, and not a user process. Interrupts should be disabled in the debugger. Currently they are only disabled if they are disabled when the debugger is entered. The debugger must be prepared to handle this case without using interrupts, so it may as well handle all cases without using interrupts. Interrupts shouldn't be enabled anyway, because they might interfere with debugging. Currently they are handled sloppily by not doing anything special. This has the benefit of keeping the clocks running while you're debugging unless you're debugging a clock interrupt handler or anything else running at a high cpl. The debugger should be prepared to restore the clocks when in this case, so it may as well restore the clocks in all cases and run with clock interrupts disabled... Restoring the clocks is quite complicated. See apm for how to do it wrong. Ethernet is harder to support than serial because the hardware interface is more complicated and you would have to write special drivers for about 20 cards to get reasonable coverage. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 20:26:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA09166 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:26:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09158 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16364(14)>; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:26:00 PST Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:25:48 -0800 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Brian Tao cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 16:47:33 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:25:42 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar25.202548pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking of ping, anyone mind if I modify ping to print out ICMP errors that it receives in response to the ICMP_ECHO messages that it's sending out? It has always bothered me that you have to use "ping -v" to diagnose things like getting ICMP unreachables. Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 20:55:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA10121 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10114 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07756; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:55:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199603260455.UAA07756@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Bill Fenner cc: Brian Tao , FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:25:42 PST." <96Mar25.202548pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 20:55:48 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Speaking of ping, anyone mind if I modify ping to print out ICMP errors that >it receives in response to the ICMP_ECHO messages that it's sending out? It >has always bothered me that you have to use "ping -v" to diagnose things like >getting ICMP unreachables. Yes, I'd like to see this, too. "ping -v" is far too verbose on a busy machine...when all I'm interested in is my own stuff. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 21:11:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA10632 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA10627 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 21:11:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA03703; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:11:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:11:28 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199603260511.AAA03703@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <4j7pbg$t0d@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >Well, I'm interested and have been pursuing something for the last 2 >months or so which may actually bear fruit in a few days - the >original message reminded me to send another ping and I just got a >favorable response. >And that's all I'm going to say for now.. :-) OOOooh Thats not very nice! We're gonna have to hunt you down and get the info now! :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 23:05:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA16173 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (pp@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA16165 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au id <06057-0@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au>; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:04:39 +1000 Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id RAA09145 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:04:51 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id HAA26908 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:08:32 GMT Message-Id: <199603260708.HAA26908@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:08:30 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well, I'm interested and have been pursuing something for the last 2 >months or so which may actually bear fruit in a few days - the >original message reminded me to send another ping and I just got a >favorable response. > >And that's all I'm going to say for now.. :-) > > Jordan Why, you, you *tease*, you! Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland, Australia. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 23:16:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA16464 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA16427 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA01278 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:15:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199603260715.IAA01278@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 8:12:45 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603260254.NAA15825@godzilla.zeta.org.au>; from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 26, 96 1:54 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >>> and frankly I'm not even sure how it would work while >>> single-stepping a kernel - getting a packet off the wire and >>> ... >> ... >> One obvious approach would be to leave interrupts enabled but change >> all the vectors on entering the debugger, such that most interrupts >> get ignored, and the ethernet interrupt goes to a special, >> stripped-down driver. Note also that the remote debug interface is in >> the kernel, and not a user process. > > Interrupts should be disabled in the debugger. Agreed. But there are various ways to "disable" interrupts. The one I was proposing was to stop them from doing anything, *except* in the case when we're communicating across the Ethernet. > Currently they are only disabled if they are disabled when the > debugger is entered. I'd say that's broken. > The debugger must be prepared to handle this case without using > interrupts, so it may as well handle all cases without using > interrupts. Interrupts shouldn't be enabled anyway, because they > might interfere with debugging. Currently they are handled sloppily > by not doing anything special. This has the benefit of keeping the > clocks running while you're debugging unless you're debugging a > clock interrupt handler or anything else running at a high cpl. The > debugger should be prepared to restore the clocks when in this case, > so it may as well restore the clocks in all cases and run with clock > interrupts disabled... Restoring the clocks is quite complicated. > See apm for how to do it wrong. The obvious way to restore the time-of-day clock would be from CMOS. Would this break anything else? > Ethernet is harder to support than serial because the hardware interface > is more complicated and you would have to write special drivers for about > 20 cards to get reasonable coverage. Yes, I hadn't thought about that. The only way to handle that without too much pain would be to have a second copy of the driver somewhere. I haven't even begun to think about what that would entail. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Mar 25 23:59:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18421 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18413 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 1996 23:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA16698 ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:58:47 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA24667 ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:58:44 +0100 Received: (uucp@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.fr.net (8.6.11/fasterix-941011) with UUCP id CAA19468; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:45:57 +0100 Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by tetard.frmug.fr.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/tetard-uucp-2.7) id BAA21707; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:08:42 +0100 (MET) From: Philippe Regnauld Message-Id: <199603260008.BAA21707@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:08:40 +0100 (MET) Cc: jerry@kcis.com X-rene: Tu dois pas les avoir perdues, normalement. X-wing-fighter: et puis X-men, X-open, X-ta-mere... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A couple of months back I was happily using my old 3/80 as an X terminal diskless off FreeBSD. After a while, something changed in -current, and it didn't work anymore -- I took a look at tcpdump, and it appeared that the 3/80 was broadcasting on xxx.xxx.xxx.0, and not 255. Ifconfig on FreeBSD gives me: ed0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 193.56.58.141 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 193.56.58.255 ... So I decide to change broadcast to .0 to try it out. The 3/80 boots, but it still causes other problems (Xdm, etc...) Are there any options, BSD-side, to force the interface to recognize both broadcast addresses ? Is this configurable from the Sun itself (PROM ?), as fixing it AFTER the kernel's booted gives me a great chicken and egg problem. I'll be adding more info what Jerry Kendall's already written soon regarding diskless setups. -- Phil -- - [ regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net / +48.8N+2.3E / +33 1 4507 9391 / Sol 3 ] - - [ regnauld@freenix.fr / FreeBSD 2.x / ] - "I'm hom-- *AUGH!*" (Calvin) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 01:26:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA22665 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22658 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 01:26:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00773; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:22:56 +1100 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:22:56 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603260922.UAA00773@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, lehey.pad@sni.de Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> interrupts disabled... Restoring the clocks is quite complicated. >> See apm for how to do it wrong. >The obvious way to restore the time-of-day clock would be from CMOS. >Would this break anything else? That's how apm gets it wrong :-). The way it is done in apm breaks: - accuracy. The mc141618A clock doesn't can't be read more accurately than to the nearest second. For apm it's probably OK to wait until the seconds counter changes, but 1 second pauses aren't OK for single stepping in the debugger. - associated clocks. The i586 cycle counter isn't affected by interrupts being enabled, so it may get way ahead of the (slow) current time. This may caused division overflow in microtime(), or addition of more usec than microtime() is prepared to deal with (> 1 million). The statistics clock is usually stopped iff the main clock is stopped. It should be advanced by the same amount as the main clock (assign interrupt ticks to idle so that the statistics are consistent with reality). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 02:58:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA26926 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from starfleet.gov (root@sba-ca1-23.ix.netcom.com [204.32.201.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA26900 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:58:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from d_burr@localhost) by starfleet.gov (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA00973; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:57:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: Donald Burr X-Sender: d_burr@starfleet.gov To: FreeBSD Hackers cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Buying a laptop for FreeBSD - advice sought Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, I finally broke down to temptation and am about to purchase a laptop. Since I want to be able to use this machine with FreeBSD, I'd like to consult with the group before I make the final decision. The notebook I am considering is the CTX EZ350D. Through some contacts I am able to get this unit at a very good price. Obviously, I'd prefer to spend less money, that way I have money left over for other toys... er, necessities, like PCMCIA cards, Zip disks, etc. But if this unit will not work with FreeBSD, I'm willing to consider an alternate. I don't mean if it won't work AT ALL with FreeBSD. As long as FreeBSD runs, I'll be happy. I don't need top performance, I'm not a power user, etc. At minimum I'd like to be able to run FreeBSD console sessions and use the laptop's built-in COM ports (*not* PCMCIA) to drive a modem for contacting BBS's and using my PPP connection. Obviously, the more "goodies" I can use (e.g. Xwindows, using a PCMCIA modem and/or network card, etc.) is great, but not altogether necessary. Anyway, here are the spec's on the notebook, and some notes/questions I have re: them. Any and all answers or help greatly appreciated. IntelDX4/100 CPU This should work. Hopefully the APM features will work with the FreeBSD apm0 driver? Touchpad (as opposed to a mouse or trackball -- one of those things that looks like a miniature graphics tablet, you move your finger on it and the pointer moves) Hopefully this is PS/2 mouse compatible (or however laptop pointing devices are emulated?) Works with XFree? 8 MB RAM expandable to 32 MB I know, 16 would be better, but I've run on 8 before, with no probs. Removable 520MB Hard drive I know, a bit small, but my current FreeBSD partition is 540MB and I'm not exactly hurting for space. I'll eventually want a bigger storage space, and I'm thinking along the lines of a SCSI PCMCIA adapter and a external Zip or Jaz drive... will this work? (also see notes below under PCMCIA) 10.4" active matrix color display Nothing unusual here... builtin 16 bit sound card Is it SB16 compatible? Or will it work with the FreeBSD snd driver? Removable NiMH battery Nothing unusual here... 3.5" 1.44m floppy disk Just as long as I can boot the FreeBSD bootdisk, I'm happy... 32-bit VLB Windows accelerator with 1 MB VRAM Chipset? XFree86 compatible? I don't need >256 colors but would be nice... 1 Type II, 1 Type III PCMCIA slot What's the status re FreeBSD and PCMCIA? I would ideally like to stick to a RELEASE or STABLE version, but if I must run CURRENT, I can cope. Is this PCMCIA controller supported? What PCMCIA devices are supported? (I'm interested in modems, network cardsk, and SCSI cards.) EPP parallel, high-speed serial, sound in/out, external monitor, and external PS/2 keyboard ports Good, the serial ports have 16550's. I suppose I should be able to run a external modem off one of these, if I can't/don't want to run with PCMCIA devices? If anyone has had experience running FreeBSD (or really, any of the free UNIX OS's) on this laptop, successful or no, I would appreciate some insight and/or information. Please e-mail me at d_burr@ix.netcom.com. Thanks! Donald Burr [d_burr@ix.netcom.com], PO Box 91212, Santa Barbara CA 93190-1212 TEL (805)564-1871 / FAX 564-2315 / WWW http://www.geopages.com/WallStreet/2072 PGP Public Key available by request (send e-mail) or on Public Key Servers. ** Uphold your right to privacy - Use PGP. ** From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 03:01:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA27120 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27109 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA26924; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:03:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:03:40 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: David Greenman cc: Bill Fenner , Brian Tao , FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l In-Reply-To: <199603260455.UAA07756@Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Mon, 25 Mar 1996, David Greenman wrote: > >Speaking of ping, anyone mind if I modify ping to print out ICMP errors that > >it receives in response to the ICMP_ECHO messages that it's sending out? It > >has always bothered me that you have to use "ping -v" to diagnose things like > >getting ICMP unreachables. > > Yes, I'd like to see this, too. "ping -v" is far too verbose on a busy > machine...when all I'm interested in is my own stuff. How about a special flag to tell it not to be *so verbose*? Something like ping -vb (following pkzip) or something like that. It would keep it more compatible with existing scripts which happen to use the output of ping. Sander (hoping not to have rewrite his scripts) > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 03:24:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA28457 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28423 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:24:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603261124.DAA28423@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA167759576; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:26:17 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: > 80x24 ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 22:26:16 +1100 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 03:28:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA28834 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA28829 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA01324; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:27:21 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 00:11:28 EST." <199603260511.AAA03703@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:27:21 -0800 Message-ID: <1322.827839641@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've hacked VMS - no form of torture can make me talk! :-) > In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: > > >Well, I'm interested and have been pursuing something for the last 2 > >months or so which may actually bear fruit in a few days - the > >original message reminded me to send another ping and I just got a > >favorable response. > > >And that's all I'm going to say for now.. :-) > > OOOooh Thats not very nice! We're gonna have to hunt you down and get the in fo > now! :) > > -Crh > -- > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 04:18:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA01240 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:18:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA01235 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA16282; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:51:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261151.MAA16282@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:51:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261124.DAA28423@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 10:26:16 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and every videocard around the globe... (Noooo Terry, not that again, pleeeaasse) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 04:42:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA02227 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:42:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA02221 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:42:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA185314240; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:44:00 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:43:59 +1100 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261151.MAA16282@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Mar 26, 96 12:51:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... > > No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and > every videocard around the globe... In the back of my TSeng booklet, it tells you how to set the card for anything beyond 80x24 in assembly: * place 0 in register AH to indicate "select mode" function * place the mode # in register AL * execute an INT 10h instruction and down the bottom it mentions that this is the standard BIOS interface for video mode select. Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available modes. Hmm, now, what's the problem ? darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 04:58:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA02725 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA02720 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 04:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u1YJt-0003w4C; Tue, 26 Mar 96 04:57 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00812; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:57:51 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Henrich , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DOSEMU Project In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 03:27:21 PST." <1322.827839641@time.cdrom.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:57:51 +0000 Message-ID: <810.827845071@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk heard about "MVS" ??? :-) > I've hacked VMS - no form of torture can make me talk! :-) > > > In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: > > > > >Well, I'm interested and have been pursuing something for the last 2 > > >months or so which may actually bear fruit in a few days - the > > >original message reminded me to send another ping and I just got a > > >favorable response. > > > > >And that's all I'm going to say for now.. :-) > > > > OOOooh Thats not very nice! We're gonna have to hunt you down and get the in > fo > > now! :) > > > > -Crh > > -- > > > > Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu > > > > http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich > -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:00:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA02848 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA02842 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA16523; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:36:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261236.NAA16523@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:36:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 11:43:59 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > > > In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > > > > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > > > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... > > > > No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and > > every videocard around the globe... > > In the back of my TSeng booklet, it tells you how to set the card for > anything beyond 80x24 in assembly: > > * place 0 in register AH to indicate "select mode" function > * place the mode # in register AL > * execute an INT 10h instruction > > and down the bottom it mentions that this is the standard BIOS interface > for video mode select. > > Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would > somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available > modes. > > Hmm, now, what's the problem ? Level of understanding the problem at hand ... Go read a bunch of "booklets" for different video cards, then read a couble of books on PC video hw, and then come back with a better understanding of the problem(s). Then tell me again how easy it will be to make this work on ALL video hw.... PS: If you don't have any PC hw books handy, look at the XFree86 sources for the video hw they support. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:03:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA02982 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA02974 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:03:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA26424 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:02:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261302.OAA26424@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD and MMX To: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 13:59:44 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: ; from "Frank Durda IV" at Mar 23, 96 10:30 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Is anybody looking ahead six to nine months when the Pentium and > Pentium-Pro chips with the MMX extensions start arriving in machines? > > According to Intels WWW FAQ, they > didn't have mess with the integer microcode much, thus lowering the risk > of a compatibility flaw of some sort. Do you have a URL? I've spent hours searching the Intel www site, and found nothing about MMX. How I love the web! Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:07:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03214 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03207 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:07:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA27114 for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:07:05 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261307.OAA27114@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 14:04:12 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org>; from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 11:43 pm X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: >> >> In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: >> > >> > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater >> > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... >> >> No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and >> every videocard around the globe... > > In the back of my TSeng booklet, it tells you how to set the card for > anything beyond 80x24 in assembly: > > * place 0 in register AH to indicate "select mode" function > * place the mode # in register AL > * execute an INT 10h instruction > > and down the bottom it mentions that this is the standard BIOS interface > for video mode select. Precisely. FreeBSD doesn't use the BIOS, so it can't use this method. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:11:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03400 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:11:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03395 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:10:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603261310.FAA03395@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA193775987; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:13:07 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:13:07 +1100 (EDT) Cc: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261236.NAA16523@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Mar 26, 96 01:36:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > Level of understanding the problem at hand ... Yes, I don't understand pc's very well...(do I want to ? %-/) > Go read a bunch of "booklets" for different video cards, then read a > couble of books on PC video hw, and then come back with a better > understanding of the problem(s). > Then tell me again how easy it will be to make this work on ALL > video hw.... > > PS: If you don't have any PC hw books handy, look at the XFree86 > sources for the video hw they support. How very sad. Is there such a thing as a "most common" method for changing the text resolution ? What about for PnP devices ? PCI video vards ? I know PC suck, but this reaches new heights. darren From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:17:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03775 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA03764 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA16638; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:55:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261255.NAA16638@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:55:28 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261310.FAA03395@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 27, 96 00:13:07 am From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > Go read a bunch of "booklets" for different video cards, then read a > > couble of books on PC video hw, and then come back with a better > > understanding of the problem(s). > > Then tell me again how easy it will be to make this work on ALL > > video hw.... > > > > PS: If you don't have any PC hw books handy, look at the XFree86 > > sources for the video hw they support. > > How very sad. Endeed. > Is there such a thing as a "most common" method for changing the text > resolution ? What about for PnP devices ? PCI video vards ? Well, syscons allows you to switch between all those modes that are "common" already.. There is hope I guess, but until the vendors get their act together and actually FOLLOWS the standards, sigh.. > I know PC suck, but this reaches new heights. I'd say low's :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:17:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA03816 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@wa3ymh.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.42]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA03808 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from wa3ymh.transsys.com (#6@localhost.TransSys.COM [127.0.0.1]) by wa3ymh.transsys.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23426; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:17:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199603261317.IAA23426@wa3ymh.transsys.com> To: sos@freebsd.org cc: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed), hackers@freebsd.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:51:43 +0100." <199603261151.MAA16282@ra.dkuug.dk> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:17:28 -0500 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... > > No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and > every videocard around the globe... The syscons driver and associated vidcontrol(1) program can do this for you. For some resolutions, you may have to load a font. In my /etc/rc.something file, my display resolution gets changed as the system comes up. On the other hand, there seems to be a problem where the display has a different size/font, but the TIOCGWINSZ info seemed to have the default 80x24 parameters. Re-setting the display resolution with vidcontrol(1) corrects it. Strange.. louie From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:29:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA04426 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA04418 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:29:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603261329.FAA04418@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA198337086; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:31:26 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:31:26 +1100 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261255.NAA16638@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Mar 26, 96 01:55:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > Well, syscons allows you to switch between all those modes that are > "common" already.. I remember trying vidcontrol once, and I just did again. It just tells me "Cannot set videomode: Invalid argument" for everything except 80x30. sigh. Does the video mode get inherited by all gettys yet ? (I'm sure someone likes the feature of it not being so :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:39:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA04883 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA04875 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA14837 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:36:17 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199603261336.OAA14837@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Any experience with bootrom for PCI boards ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:36:16 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone experience in building a netboot ROM for a PCI board ? Apparently (from Shanley's "PCI sytem architecture", fresh from the bookstore) ROMs mounted on a PCI board require some special header to work. The problem is, they appear to work with only a single PCI board as they must match both the VENDOR and DEVICE ID (this is a bit boring! a nice thing of the FreeBSD ROM is that it works with a number of different boards. With the PCI ROM, you can have multiple images in a single ROM, but it seems that you are not allowed to have a single image for a number of different boards.) I think I have figured out a way to do it (a bit boring, though), but I am wondering if someone else has had a similar experience and in case can share his knowledge -- unfortunately, there is no way to tell what is going wrong when the ROM is not recognized! Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:48:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA05416 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA05411 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA16822; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:25:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199603261325.OAA16822@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:25:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261329.FAA04418@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 27, 96 00:31:26 am From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > > > Well, syscons allows you to switch between all those modes that are > > "common" already.. > > I remember trying vidcontrol once, and I just did again. > > It just tells me "Cannot set videomode: Invalid argument" for everything > except 80x30. You havn't loaded a 8x8 font ?? Try that and it will work > Does the video mode get inherited by all gettys yet ? > (I'm sure someone likes the feature of it not being so :-) The videomode is local to each vty. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:54:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA05699 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:54:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05627 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA08826 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:41:45 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.7.2/8.7.2) id OAA29670; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:41:32 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:41:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199603261341.OAA29670@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FYI: StarOffice 3.1 free for Linux MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk http://www.stardiv.de/german/office/preise/so31.html [...] Windows 3.11 / Windows 95 / Windows NT StarOffice 3.1 498,00 DM UNIX: Sun Solaris x86 StarOffice 3.1 998,00 DM UNIX: Linux (Vorraussichtlich verfügbar im zweiten Quartal '96) [estimated available second quarter 96] StarOffice 3.1 kostenlos, mit speziellem Lizensierungsverfahren [gratis, special license agreement] From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 05:56:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA05947 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05937 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 05:56:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603261356.FAA05937@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA203978715; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:58:35 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: > 80x24 ?t To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:58:35 +1100 (EDT) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261325.OAA16822@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Mar 26, 96 02:25:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > You havn't loaded a 8x8 font ?? Try that and it will work ah, yes, I remember doing all this once. > > Does the video mode get inherited by all gettys yet ? > > (I'm sure someone likes the feature of it not being so :-) > > The videomode is local to each vty. and that's probably why I never liked it. oh well. thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:03:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA10489 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10474 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0u1aG2-000I9VC; Tue, 26 Mar 96 16:02 MET Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0u1ZXm-00001lC; Tue, 26 Mar 96 15:16 MET Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:16:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603261124.DAA28423@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 10:26:16 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Darren Reed: > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... The alternate console driver pcvt does support 132 cols on some VGA chipsets and/or boards; 50 cols are supported on any VGA chipset. Read the pcvt docs (/usr/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/Misc/Doc) and try it out on your hardware. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ? From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:27:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA12947 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA12936 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:24:24 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:32:47 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Most every card in use today should be able to support the VGA standard of 43 lines. At least this would be a start (Even Windows NT does this.) Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:30:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13466 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13447 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:30:34 -0800 (PST) From: nelson@crynwr.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 501); 26 Mar 1996 15:30:34 GMT Delivered-To: nelson-lossage@crynwr.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 501); 26 Mar 1996 15:30:33 GMT Date: 26 Mar 1996 15:30:33 GMT Message-ID: <19960326153033.27254.qmail@ns.crynwr.com> To: nelson-lossage@crynwr.com Subject: Quickcam mailing list GONE Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Due to major brain failure on my part, and the loss of my root partition, the entire Quickcam-drivers mailing list has been toasted. I've gone through the archives and found every mailing address I can find, and am sending you this message. If you want to be on the list, please re-up by sending a message with subscribe in the first column (just as it appears in this paragraph) to quickcam-drivers@crynwr.com, or paste the following line into your Unix shell: echo subscribe | mail quickcam-drivers@crynwr.com If you don't want to be on the list, trust me; you're not. And as soon as I send this message, I'm deleting this list, so this will be your only notice. -russ http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | If you would seek peace, Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | first seek freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:30:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13489 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13465 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:30:39 -0800 (PST) From: nelson@crynwr.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 501); 26 Mar 1996 15:30:34 GMT Delivered-To: nelson-lossage@crynwr.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 501); 26 Mar 1996 15:30:33 GMT Date: 26 Mar 1996 15:30:33 GMT Message-ID: <19960326153033.27254.qmail@ns.crynwr.com> To: nelson-lossage@crynwr.com Subject: Quickcam mailing list GONE Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Due to major brain failure on my part, and the loss of my root partition, the entire Quickcam-drivers mailing list has been toasted. I've gone through the archives and found every mailing address I can find, and am sending you this message. If you want to be on the list, please re-up by sending a message with subscribe in the first column (just as it appears in this paragraph) to quickcam-drivers@crynwr.com, or paste the following line into your Unix shell: echo subscribe | mail quickcam-drivers@crynwr.com If you don't want to be on the list, trust me; you're not. And as soon as I send this message, I'm deleting this list, so this will be your only notice. -russ http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | If you would seek peace, Potsdam, NY 13676 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | first seek freedom From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:31:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA13643 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA13569 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:31:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA00469; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:31:04 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199603261531.CAA00469@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:31:04 +1100 (EST) Cc: sos@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 11:43:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darren Reed writes: > and down the bottom it mentions that this is the standard BIOS interface ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > for video mode select. [ .. ] > Hmm, now, what's the problem ? You can't use the BIOS at all in protected mode and we don't have VM86 support .. michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 07:49:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA16708 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA16686 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 07:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-usr11.etinc.com (dialup-usr11.etinc.com [204.141.95.132]) by etinc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06239; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:51:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:51:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199603261551.KAA06239@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Darren Reed From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In some mail from Brian Tao, sie said: >> >> Are there any good reasons why a non-root user should need the -s >> and -l options in ping? I've had problems in the past with users >> starting up a dozen "ping -s 8000"'s to a foreign site, saturating our >> own T1 to the net. Who needs ping -f when you can control the packet >> size. :( >> >> I can't really think of any legitimate reason for allowing -s and >> -l to unprivileged user, but before I modify the source, I figured I'd >> ask around first. :) > >Do you stop them sending arbitary 8000 byte UDP packets ? > >Or is it the reurns which hurt ? Hack the host (or better yet the router) to discard all ping packets with a sequence number greater than (say 5). You don't want to restrict pings altogether, but theres rarely a good reason to send more than a few. Its real nice to do this in the router because it will keep other people from pinging you and eating up your bandwidth. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 for BSD/OS, FreeBSD and LINUX From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 08:01:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18518 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:01:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18499 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA17012; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:00:23 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603261600.KAA17012@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:00:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 25, 96 07:47:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Are there any good reasons why a non-root user should need the -s > and -l options in ping? I've had problems in the past with users > starting up a dozen "ping -s 8000"'s to a foreign site, saturating our > own T1 to the net. Who needs ping -f when you can control the packet > size. :( > > I can't really think of any legitimate reason for allowing -s and > -l to unprivileged user, but before I modify the source, I figured I'd > ask around first. :) I use them to fire-test SLIP and PPP links. I understand where you are coming from, but consider the user who types "unlimit" followed by a couple hundred instances of ping. This isn't buying you anything in particular (at least IMHO)... The solution isn't to remove the flexibility of the tool, it's to carry around a bazooka and shoot trouble users in the foot when they do nasty things with the tools. Remember, you can trivially write a UDP datagram program without root privileges to do the same exact thing. Someone who wants to be trouble doesn't have to have your permission and blessing. :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 08:30:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23014 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23005 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id IAA09238 ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:30:41 -0800 Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA27797; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:33:46 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:33:45 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Darren Reed cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? In-Reply-To: <199603261310.FAA03395@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > > > Level of understanding the problem at hand ... > > Yes, I don't understand pc's very well...(do I want to ? %-/) > > > Go read a bunch of "booklets" for different video cards, then read a > > couble of books on PC video hw, and then come back with a better > > understanding of the problem(s). > > Then tell me again how easy it will be to make this work on ALL > > video hw.... > > > > PS: If you don't have any PC hw books handy, look at the XFree86 > > sources for the video hw they support. > > How very sad. > > Is there such a thing as a "most common" method for changing the text > resolution ? What about for PnP devices ? PCI video vards ? > Most common? I don't think such thing exists (and there aren't any PnP video cards). The best thing there exists is the VESA BIOS extension. If the BIOS follows the specs then you can do it quite easily (provided you use the BIOS :)There are no other reliable ways. > I know PC suck, but this reaches new heights. > > darren > Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 08:33:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA23540 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23514 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from egg.lmc.ericsson.se (egg.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.32.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id RAA22382; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:33:23 +0100 Received: from chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (chicago.lmc.ericsson.se) by egg.lmc.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2) id AA13416; Tue, 26 Mar 96 11:33:20 EST Received: by chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA11637; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:32:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:32:37 -0500 (EST) From: Samy Touati X-Sender: lmcsato@chicago To: questions@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm using the Bitsurfr Pro with freebsd. Everything is fine except that in MLPPP mode, and when I receive files via ftp the bitsurfr resets itself. This only happens in the mlppp mode at 128k, it doesn't happen when using ppp on 64k. Could this be a limitation/problem from the ppp implementation on fbsd? I disabled/enabled the tcp_extensions with no success. I have a 16550 UART, I checked the configuration of the bitsurfr and everything is ok. I'm having this problem while connecting to a livingstone terminal adpater. Has anyone experienced such a problem? Or is my bitsurfr broken? Thansk for any help. Samy lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 08:50:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA26623 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com (tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com [138.111.243.28]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26609 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: mikebo@tellabs.com Received: from sunc210.tellabs.com by tellab5.lisle.tellabs.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0u1bvT-000jCHC; Tue, 26 Mar 96 10:48 CST Received: by sunc210.tellabs.com (SMI-8.6/1.9) id KAA25149; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:48:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199603261648.KAA25149@sunc210.tellabs.com> Subject: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc (fwd) To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:48:43 -0600 (CST) Cc: mikebo (Mike Borowiec) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD hackers - I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach 3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? Unrelated shot-in-the-dark question: Does ANY version of Linux incorporate the FreeBSD or 4.4BSD Lite TCP/IP networking code? - Mike Forwarded message: > February 6th 1996 > > Apple Computer has teamed up with the Open Software Foundation to port > the Linux operating system to the Power Macintosh. The freely > distributable Unix variant is being based upon the Mach 3.0 micro > kernel and duo expect to have a finished release ready in the second > quarter of this year. Initially it will run on the older Nubus-based > Power Macintoshes: the 6100, 7100, 8100 with the 7200, 7500, 8500 and > 9500 models following. > > The work was announced on Monday at the Conference on Freely > Redistributable Software in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Apple says that > it showed an early prototype, but no information was available on the > port's progress. The announcement has been welcomed by the Linux > community, but with some bemusement - Apple has hitherto appeared > indifferent to voluntary efforts to get Linux running on its machines. > > Apple and the OSF say that their work will be made available under the > standard GNU general public licence; in other words the source code > will be available for people to use and tinker with. Unlike Tenon > Intersystem's commercial MachTen Unix, the Linux port will not enable > concurrent use of Mac and Unix applications - once Linux is running > the user will have to reboot to get back into the Mac OS. As with most > Linux releases, the first version will only have a sparse set of > drivers. There will be no AppleTalk Stack; just TCP/IP over > Ethernet. It will include X11R6 X-Windows, however. The GNU > development suite will be included - GCC, Emacs etc. > > The effort marks the first time that Linux will be hosted on the Mach > micro kernel and the OSF is undertaking a parallel effort to port the > Mach/Linux combination to the Intel platform. The Intel port is > further along and a snapshot is available for download from the OSF's > Web site at www.gr.osf.org/mklinux. > > Mach is important not only in terms of Linux, but also for the way > that it could ease the development of other OS 'personalities' to the > PowerPC processor. A FreeBSD Unix variant should be achievable, for > example, and those with a perverse streak will remember that OS/2 for > the PowerPC is based on the same OSF work. OS/2 for the Mac anyone? > > Currently, the work is specific to the Power Macintosh, but Apple says > it will be extended later to the PowerPC Platform (nee > CHRP). Certainly the results of the work could be useful to other > teams currently striving to port Linux to PReP machine's and Be Inc's > Bebox. > > In the short term, however Apple is targeting the academic community, > which will no-doubt greet the news with a sigh of relief. The company > says it expects the source-code port "will help foster new research > and education uses for Power Macintosh". Indeed it should, but it > could also help Apple's position in the burgeoning Web market. The > company says explicitly that the new OS will let Power Macs act as > domain name and PPP servers. No details on how the project is being > funded were available. Further information can be gathered on the new > Web site: www.mklinux.apple.com. > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 09:27:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA00984 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (root@cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA00963 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from scruz.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id JAA29599; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 09:27:34 -0800 Received: from osprey by scruz.ucsc.edu id aa17396; 26 Mar 96 9:27 PST Received: (from markd@localhost) by Grizzly.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA03745; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:58:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 08:58:41 -0800 Message-Id: <199603261658.IAA03745@Grizzly.COM> From: Mark Diekhans To: d_burr@ix.netcom.com CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-reply-to: (message from Donald Burr on Tue, 26 Mar 1996 02:57:39 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for FreeBSD - advice sought Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well, I finally broke down to temptation and am about to purchase a >laptop. Since I want to be able to use this machine with FreeBSD, I'd >like to consult with the group before I make the final decision. I have been running FreeBSD 2.0 on a DX4/75 subnotebook (samsung) with 20mb memory and a 520mb disk for about 8 months now (nice notebook). The DX4/75 is plenty fast, not complaints about speed. I even do rather large compiles on it. >Anyway, here are the spec's on the notebook, and some notes/questions I >have re: them. Any and all answers or help greatly appreciated. > >IntelDX4/100 CPU > This should work. Hopefully the APM features will work with the > FreeBSD apm0 driver? The apm and pcmcia support is basicly experimental. I couldn't get anywhere with the stuff that shipped with 2.1. Some fine people in Japan are working on more support: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html but I have yet to get my 28.8 modem card or apm to work. I am too short on time to learn enough to debug it right now, so I am hoping others will get it working. Check out the cards they say work and stick with them. >8 MB RAM expandable to 32 MB > I know, 16 would be better, but I've run on 8 before, with no probs. While my memory was on backorder I was running in 4 mb. I ran emacs from the console. It swapped a lot so it was kind of slow, but it still work much better than I expected. >Removable 520MB Hard drive > I know, a bit small, but my current FreeBSD partition is 540MB > and I'm not exactly hurting for space. I'll eventually want a The 520mb disk is no problem, I have lots of stuff on it. I even have to have a dos partation to be able to use the pcmcia modem card :-( > bigger storage space, and I'm thinking along the lines of a SCSI > PCMCIA adapter and a external Zip or Jaz drive... will this work? > (also see notes below under PCMCIA) Check out what they support... >builtin 16 bit sound card > Is it SB16 compatible? Or will it work with the FreeBSD snd driver? While mine is supposedly sound blaster compatible, I can't get it to work. I haven't put much time into it as its a toy for what I really do. >3.5" 1.44m floppy disk > Just as long as I can boot the FreeBSD bootdisk, I'm happy... Shouldn't be a problem, mine works with an external floppy (not pcmcia). >32-bit VLB Windows accelerator with 1 MB VRAM > Chipset? XFree86 compatible? I don't need >256 colors but would > be nice... Compare the chipset to what XFree86 supports. XFree86 doesn't support the particular cirrus logic chipset I have. The ones that are close don't work. None of the commercial X-servers work either. I am forced to run in 16 color mode until I get the time to debug it (if I ever get the time). >EPP parallel, high-speed serial, sound in/out, external monitor, and >external PS/2 keyboard ports > Good, the serial ports have 16550's. I suppose I should be able > to run a external modem off one of these, if I can't/don't want to > run with PCMCIA devices? The serial port works like a champ, I use high speed external modems with no problem. A very cool thing about the EPP parallel port is that FreeBSD supports TCP/IP over a laplink parallel cable. For <$10, I have a reasonably high speed point to point network with my desktop. Much faster than going over a null modem cable. I install freebsd via parallel port TCP/IP. Good stuff, I owe who ever did the a beer. >If anyone has had experience running FreeBSD (or really, any of the free >UNIX OS's) on this laptop, successful or no, I would appreciate some >insight and/or information. Please e-mail me at d_burr@ix.netcom.com. The bottom line: Pick you system carefully. There are a lot of variables in notebooks and you can't swap cards to get things to work. Find out the video and pcmcia chipsets and compare with the tested ones. Don't expect a ton of "just do this" suggestions. The people on these lists are amazing helpful, but I have found that people don't encounter the same problems I do. Probably due there being so many different notebook configurations and not a large user base. Don't let this discourage you. While the things I have yet to get to work are frustrating, overall I have been very pleased with the system. The pcmcia modem problems have been the only real disadvantage. Its fast and reliable. Having a 3.7 lb Unix system has proven amazingly useful. The high point was the look on my SO's face when I headed off for an extended visit to the john, Unix computer under my arm :-) Feel free to mail me directly if you have more questions, Mark From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:16:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09099 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09094 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from crevenia.parc.xerox.com ([13.2.116.11]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <15379(5)>; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:15:25 PST Received: from localhost by crevenia.parc.xerox.com with SMTP id <177478>; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:15:11 -0800 To: Narvi cc: FREEBSD-HACKERS-L Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 96 03:03:40 PST." Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:15:02 PST From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <96Mar26.111511pst.177478@crevenia.parc.xerox.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you w rite: >How about a special flag to tell it not to be *so verbose*? Can you live with "ping -q", or do you really want another flag to say "print out echo responses but not error messages"? Bill From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:22:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09462 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09446 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:21:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA26972 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:21:30 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA23406 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id SAA14992 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:56:01 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603261756.SAA14992@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:56:00 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603260922.UAA00773@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 26, 96 08:22:56 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > - associated clocks. The i586 cycle counter isn't affected by interrupts > being enabled, so it may get way ahead of the (slow) current time. Why is this abuse of the i586 cycle counter still being used as a clock replacement? I thought it was pretty clear after David's visit at Intel that we should no longer use it. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:22:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09503 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09484 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA26938; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:21:01 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA23391; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:00 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id TAA15061; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:02:48 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603261802.TAA15061@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:02:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 26, 96 11:43:59 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Darren Reed wrote: > In the back of my TSeng booklet, it tells you how to set the card for > anything beyond 80x24 in assembly: Btw., if it's an ET4000, the pcvt console driver would allow you to use it in 132-column mode. I'm not sure whether you would like pcvt however, it's mostly a different approach than syscons. (syscons attempts to be a nice SCO console, pcvt attempts to be a nice VT220. Both goals are partially contradictionary.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:23:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09524 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09480 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:22:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA26968; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:21:26 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA23405; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:26 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id SAA14974; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:54:18 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603261754.SAA14974@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:54:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net (Philippe Regnauld) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603260008.BAA21707@tetard.frmug.fr.net> from "Philippe Regnauld" at Mar 26, 96 01:08:40 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Philippe Regnauld wrote: > didn't work anymore -- I took a look at tcpdump, and it appeared that the > 3/80 was broadcasting on xxx.xxx.xxx.0, and not 255. The implicit .0 broadcast recognition has been eliminated. You have to configure your entire network to do 4.2BSD broadcasting if this is what you want (or what you need since you can't convert the Sun's). Perhaps time to put NetBSD on your Sun? ;-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:23:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA09535 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA09478 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA26976 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:21:31 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA23407 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:31 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id TAA15143 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:09:36 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603261809.TAA15143@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FYI: StarOffice 3.1 free for Linux To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 19:09:35 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603261341.OAA29670@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> from "Wolfram Schneider" at Mar 26, 96 02:41:32 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Wolfram Schneider wrote: > UNIX: Linux > (Vorraussichtlich verfügbar im zweiten Quartal '96) > [estimated available second quarter 96] > StarOffice 3.1 > kostenlos, mit speziellem Lizensierungsverfahren > [gratis, special license agreement] I've once tried to convince them of a FreeBSD port, but they didn't really like the idea. Seems they've been too annoyed by the Linux port. Disclaimer: this has been about a year ago, when the first signs about the Linux port appeared. Now that they've got a Slowaris port, things might be easier to port for them (if they've done it right). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:43:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11013 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:43:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11008 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09127; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:44:01 -0800 Message-Id: <199603261944.LAA09127@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: mikebo@tellabs.com cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc (fwd) In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 10:48:43 CST." <199603261648.KAA25149@sunc210.tellabs.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:44:00 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >FreeBSD hackers - >I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. >Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought >some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article >mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. > >Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach >3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to >the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? No, we're not open to the idea. >Unrelated shot-in-the-dark question: Does ANY version of Linux >incorporate the FreeBSD or 4.4BSD Lite TCP/IP networking code? Not that I'm aware of. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 11:59:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11928 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11923 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09163; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:58:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199603261958.LAA09163@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:56:00 +0100." <199603261756.SAA14992@uriah.heep.sax.de> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 11:58:45 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >As Bruce Evans wrote: > >> - associated clocks. The i586 cycle counter isn't affected by interrupts >> being enabled, so it may get way ahead of the (slow) current time. > >Why is this abuse of the i586 cycle counter still being used as a >clock replacement? I thought it was pretty clear after David's visit >at Intel that we should no longer use it. It was certainly clear to me. It's fundamentally incompatible with APM. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 12:22:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA13559 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA13553 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA15283; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:15:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603262015.NAA15283@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:15:11 -0700 (MST) Cc: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603261151.MAA16282@ra.dkuug.dk> from "sos@FreeBSD.ORG" at Mar 26, 96 12:51:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... > > No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and > every videocard around the globe... > > (Noooo Terry, not that again, pleeeaasse) What, what'd I say? It's sufficient to know that I've harped the subject enough that when you see the question, your mind supplies my response. Your only chance of retaining sanity is to fix the code so the question is no longer asked. 8-) 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 12:31:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA14126 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14121 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA00692; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:31:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 12:31:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Message-Id: <199603262031.MAA00692@time.cdrom.com> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! Cc: gibbs@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Anyone familar enough with DAT drives to know what an extended-sense return of 0x20 (SSD_ILI) means? I'm trying to read a DAT from SGI and the driver returns this code, printing it as `st0: 262144-byte record too big' on my console. I've just been given a source license for SGI's InPerson video teleconferencing software (which I'd like to port) but I can't read the friggin' tape! Argh! :-( Any pointers appreciated. I've tried every conceivable blocksize with dd (and mt) with no luck. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 13:09:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16712 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:09:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16704 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:09:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/1.2) id OAA13438; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:09:25 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199603262109.OAA13438@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: mikebo@tellabs.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:09:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199603261648.KAA25149@sunc210.tellabs.com> from "mikebo@tellabs.com" at Mar 26, 96 10:48:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD hackers - > I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. > Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought > some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article > mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. Mklinux has already seen it's second release. I gather the "port" is far from complete. It also seems to be suffering from some holes in the installation documentation... ;-) I think most of the work to date has been coordinated out of OSF Grenoble. > Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach > 3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to > the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? Um, speaking *mostly* from ignorance but I think Mklinux is implemented as a single-server atop Mach. So, in that sense, it's still a monolithic kernel (albeit residing atop a microkernel). I don't think they've really gone too far afield and tried for a multi-server... Can someone shed any more light on this? > Unrelated shot-in-the-dark question: Does ANY version of Linux > incorporate the FreeBSD or 4.4BSD Lite TCP/IP networking code? > - Mike From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 14:47:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA28118 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:47:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28110 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA00556; Tue, 26 Mar 96 17:44:42 EST From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: gibbs@freebsd.org Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA14174; Tue, 26 Mar 96 17:47:03 EST Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA23607; Tue, 26 Mar 96 17:47:09 EST Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA28306; Tue, 26 Mar 96 17:47:06 EST Date: Tue, 26 Mar 96 17:47:06 EST Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9603262247.AA28306@stargazer> Original-To: freefall.FreeBSD.org!hackers, time.cdrom.com!jkh Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! Original-Cc: freebsd.org!gibbs Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Anyone familar enough with DAT drives to know what an extended-sense >return of 0x20 (SSD_ILI) means? I'm trying to read a DAT from SGI and >the driver returns this code, printing it as `st0: 262144-byte record too big' >on my console. I've just been given a source license for SGI's InPerson >video teleconferencing software (which I'd like to port) but I can't read >the friggin' tape! Argh! :-( > >Any pointers appreciated. I've tried every conceivable blocksize with dd >(and mt) with no luck. Might this be a DDS-2 tape (high density recording) trying to be read by a DDS-1 tape drive? Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 14:55:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA29439 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA29426 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 14:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by edna.bus.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA19221; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:55:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:55:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: Darren Reed cc: sos@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > In some mail from sos@FreeBSD.ORG, sie said: > > > > In reply to Darren Reed who wrote: > > > > > > is anyone looking at making FreeBSD boot into a text resolution greater > > > than 80x24 ? I sorta miss 132x60 in Linux... > > > > No, unless somebody comes up with a way of programming each and > > every videocard around the globe... > > In the back of my TSeng booklet, it tells you how to set the card for > anything beyond 80x24 in assembly: > > * place 0 in register AH to indicate "select mode" function > * place the mode # in register AL > * execute an INT 10h instruction > > and down the bottom it mentions that this is the standard BIOS interface > for video mode select. > > Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would > somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available > modes. > > Hmm, now, what's the problem ? > > darren > Tseng (and ATI) support a wider range of extended text modes than most, including 132 X 60. But not all cards support extended text mode, and the value required in AL when invoking INT 10h, 00h varies from card to card for the ones that do. I'm not sure how you could test for the correct value... Regards, Chuck From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:11:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01878 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from edna.bus.net (edna.bus.net [207.41.24.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01865 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by edna.bus.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA19266; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:11:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:11:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Chuck O'Donnell" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? In-Reply-To: <199603261310.FAA03395@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > Is there such a thing as a "most common" method for changing the text > resolution ? What about for PnP devices ? PnP: Plug and Pray :) Chuck From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:22:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA03530 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03485 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id BAA02349; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:21:46 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA26392; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:21:46 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id AAA16445; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:07:20 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603262307.AAA16445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:07:20 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603262031.MAA00692@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 26, 96 12:31:18 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Anyone familar enough with DAT drives to know what an extended-sense > return of 0x20 (SSD_ILI) means? ``An incorrect length indicator (ILI) bit of one usually indicates that the requested logical block length did not match the logical block length of the data on the medium.'' > I'm trying to read a DAT from SGI and the driver returns this code, > printing it as `st0: 262144-byte record too big' on my console. Are you sure your DAT drive is able to read 256K blocks at all? Does ``mt blocksize 0'' and ``dd if=/dev/rst0 ibs=256k ...'' work? Hmmmmm. It seems that our driver imposes artificial limitations: j@uriah 262% /sbin/scsi -f /dev/st0ctl.0 -v -c "5 0 0 0 0 0" -i 6 "\ *i1\ {max} i3\ {min} i2" max: 16777215 min: 1 So my tape drive would support any block length between 1 byte and 16MB-1. However, the biggest tape block i've been able to write was 64 KB, so something on top of st_read() must be chopping the request... can only by physio()... yup, here's the culprit: j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* /usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:27:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04301 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:27:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04290 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id AAA08927 ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:27:01 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id AAA28144 ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:27:06 +0100 Received: (uucp@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.fr.net (8.6.11/fasterix-941011) with UUCP id XAA27164; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:46:56 +0100 Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by tetard.frmug.fr.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/tetard-uucp-2.7) id XAA00589; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:32:03 +0100 (MET) From: Philippe Regnauld Message-Id: <199603262232.XAA00589@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:32:02 +0100 (MET) Cc: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) In-Reply-To: <199603261242.EAA02221@freefall.freebsd.org> X-rene: Tu dois pas les avoir perdues, normalement. X-wing-fighter: et puis X-men, X-open, X-ta-mere... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Darren Reed écrit / writes: > Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would > somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available > modes. Doesn't Linux use some sort of ModeLine (just like XFree), and use it to drive the console at any frequency and/or resolution ? -- Phil -- - [ regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net / +48.8N+2.3E / +33 1 4507 9391 / Sol 3 ] - - [ regnauld@freenix.fr / FreeBSD 2.x / ] - "Le schtroumpf est à l'homme ce que le bleu est au billard" - F.Berjon From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:39:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06321 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from dyson.iquest.net (dyson.iquest.net [198.70.144.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06269 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by dyson.iquest.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA20029; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:38:57 -0500 From: "John S. Dyson" Message-Id: <199603262338.SAA20029@dyson.iquest.net> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc (fwd) To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:38:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: mikebo@tellabs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603261944.LAA09127@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 26, 96 11:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >FreeBSD hackers - > >I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. > >Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought > >some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article > >mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. > > > >Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach > >3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to > >the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? > > No, we're not open to the idea. > I want to chime in (essentially agreeing with David Greenman). The reason is that the monolithic kernel has some advantages that the Mach microkernel doesn't and vice versa. My view is that FreeBSD is eventually meant to be a high performance, multi-processor, multi-platform OS. Right now we are working primarily on performance with multi-processor and multi-platform issues being worked also. Eventually, more of us will be working more aggressively on multi-processor support and multi-platform. MACH based OSes sometimes have serious problems with performance (esp under memory loading conditions.) MACH is interesting because of it's ability to emulate other OSes (of course FreeBSD can do so in a different way). I guess what I am trying to say is that the disadvantages appear to outweigh the advantages. I think that the work that has been done in Lites, etc is very interesting and a valuable, interesting alternative, but FreeBSD is very high performance and it would take quite a bit of time working on MACH to make it perform as well as FreeBSD. The reason is not sentiment, but simply being practical. I have been intrigued by MACH for a long time, but it doesn't really help do the U**X thing very much... John From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:39:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06354 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06338 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:52 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603262339.PAA06338@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:07:20 +0100." <199603262307.AAA16445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:52 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* >/usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* max > raw I/O transfer size */ > >I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. Buffers only hold 64k. How can you read a larger block size? We have to provide a way of chaining buffers together to allow such large block sizes. I proposed buffer chaining to John some time ago, but other things have been more important. >-- >cheers, J"org > >joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE >Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 15:41:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06732 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA06724 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:41:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02049; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:40:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199603262340.SAA02049@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:40:01 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been using iijppp, and its dial-on-demand facility, for over six months, pretty much since it first became available in a snapshot release. I have encountered occasional sig 10s - which is annoying since it forces me to restart the ppp program manually. I've tried investigating this problem, without much success. I rebuilt the program with -g, and tried gdb on the core file, with no consistent results. However, one trend is definite. The lifetime of a ppp process before I get a sig 10 is related to the uptime of my machine. Abends in the first 24 hours are very rare, but by the time the machine has been up for a week, ppp won't usually last 24 hours. One other thing is consistent - the crash occurs when the ppp program is very busy, for instance when it first connects to my ISP and goes through the handshaking procedure (this is the most common point for a failure) or transferring a large file or web page from a fast site. Today I was looking at my system performance using Xperfmon++, to se if that could give me a clue - and it may have done, hence the title of my e-mail (finally, he gets to the point :-). When not connected through ppp, my machine runs at about 250 interrupts / sec. This seems to be a fairly sensible level for a machine running X with half a dozen windows open. If I ping a remote site, ppp dials and connects, and at the moment of connection, Xperfmon++ reports over 4500 interrupts / sec. This seems a bit high. Contacting a graphics-intensive web site can cause spikes at over 11000 /sec. All this is happening on a single dial-up line which normally connects at 14.4. port speed is 115200, kernel reports of overflows are very rare (maybe once a month, usually when I'm doing a big make and downloading at the same time). Hardware is Pentium 60 with 32Mb memory and Adaptec 2940 driving the peripherals. The async card is (very) generic. Is anyone else suffering similar sig 10 abends with ppp? Is the interrupt level extraordinary? If so, what can I do - is it a hardware problem? I'm copying this to 'hackers' since I think it's a bit advanced for 'questions'. TIA John -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 16:25:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA14696 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14682 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA15665; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:05 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603270017.RAA15665@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc (fwd) To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:04 -0700 (MST) Cc: mikebo@tellabs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603261944.LAA09127@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 26, 96 11:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >FreeBSD hackers - > >I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. > >Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought > >some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article > >mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. > > > >Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach > >3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to > >the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? > > No, we're not open to the idea. On the other hand, I'm open to incorporating their driver code in a native PowerMac port, once their drive code is available. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 16:38:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA17277 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA17238 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA01405 ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:37:53 GMT To: John Brann cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:40:01 EST." <199603262340.SAA02049@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:37:53 +0000 Message-ID: <1403.827887073@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Brann wrote in message ID <199603262340.SAA02049@jbrann.dialup.access.net>: > Is anyone else suffering similar sig 10 abends with ppp? Nope... I very rarely experience problems with IIJPPP that can't be traced to the terminal server I'm dialing into crashing or a line problem. (Damned BT :( ) > Is the interrupt level extraordinary? I should say so. From my machine, which for a while was downloading a large file at 3.1K sec with a 115200 baud DTE rate to a 28k8 modem. I'm using a 16550 COM port: gary@palmer:~> vmstat -i interrupt total rate clk0 irq0 784266 102 rtc0 irq8 982565 128 fdc0 irq6 1 0 sc0 irq1 28054 3 sio0 irq4 106707 13 sio1 irq3 910720 118 ed0 irq10 1 0 Total 2812314 366 The modem is on sio1... My IRQ rate (total) is 366/sec on average. > If so, what can I do - is it a hardware problem? Possibly. Do you have a FIFO'd COM port (a 16550) or one of the older, non-FIFO'd ports? I don't think (however) that this problem is tracable to the IRQ's... Have you tried updating the kernel & ppp binaries? Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 16:50:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19149 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:50:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from MediaCity.Com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19138 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.Com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA09258; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:55:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199603270055.QAA09258@MediaCity.Com> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se (Samy Touati) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 16:55:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Samy Touati at "Mar 26, 96 11:32:37 am" Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.Com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Samy Touati wrote: > > Hi, > > > I'm using the Bitsurfr Pro with freebsd. Everything is fine except that > in MLPPP mode, and when I receive files via ftp the bitsurfr resets itself. > This only happens in the mlppp mode at 128k, it doesn't happen when using > ppp on 64k. > Could this be a limitation/problem from the ppp implementation on fbsd? It's not. > I disabled/enabled the tcp_extensions with no success. > I have a 16550 UART, I checked the configuration of the bitsurfr and > everything is ok. I'm having this problem while connecting to a > livingstone terminal adpater. > > Has anyone experienced such a problem? yes. lots of us. > Or is my bitsurfr broken? yes it is. Even if its running 1E firmware. > Thansk for any help. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 17:17:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23289 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23269 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA10049; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199603270117.RAA10049@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 15:39:52 PST." <199603262339.PAA06338@freefall.freebsd.org> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:42 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* >>/usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* max >> raw I/O transfer size */ >> >>I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. > >Buffers only hold 64k. How can you read a larger block size? We have to >provide a way of chaining buffers together to allow such large block sizes. >I proposed buffer chaining to John some time ago, but other things have >been more important. The buffer size could be increased, but the larger problem is that most if not all of the adapters have too few scatter-gather segments to handle it. In order to work around this, we'd have to implement some general mechanism for allocating contiguous chunks of memory that works all the time (as opposed to just during startup like the current code does). This is very difficult because it involves reclaiming pages/paging. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 17:36:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27020 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:36:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27001 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07689; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:41:16 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD crash Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -current from about 3/21. P5-90, adaptec 2940, 2940UW. GDB 4.13 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc...(no debugging symbols found)... IdlePTD 1d7000 current pcb at 1cde80 panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc #0 0xf019bca3 in boot () (kgdb) where #0 0xf019bca3 in boot () #1 0xf0111926 in panic () #2 0xf017e073 in ffs_valloc () #3 0xf0189fc2 in ufs_makeinode () #4 0xf0187a25 in ufs_create () #5 0xf012d60c in vn_open () #6 0xf012ae43 in open () #7 0xf01a400d in syscall () #8 0xf0199305 in Xsyscall () #9 0x4e09 in ?? () #10 0xc573 in ?? () #11 0xe009 in ?? () #12 0xe3c7 in ?? () #13 0x90e3 in ?? () #14 0xbb30 in ?? () #15 0x1095 in ?? () Not sure what else you want that may help. I could compile a kernel with debugging, since it's happening moderately frequently if you'd like. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 18:02:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA01326 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (cisco-ts8-line8.uoregon.edu [128.223.150.72]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01315 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by riley-net170-164.uoregon.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00467; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:02:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 18:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White Reply-To: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu To: Donald Burr cc: FreeBSD Hackers , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for FreeBSD - advice sought In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Donald Burr wrote: > The notebook I am considering is the CTX EZ350D. Some observances... I have a CTX EzBook, which I believe is the model previous to this one. I have had no end of trouble with it, particularly under OS/2. I haven't tried BSD on it, since this is my "get work done" computer (as opposed to my BSD box, which is my play toy). > IntelDX4/100 CPU > This should work. Hopefully the APM features will work with the > FreeBSD apm0 driver? Watch out, some may have Cyrix CPUs. :( > Touchpad (as opposed to a mouse or trackball -- one of those things that > looks like a miniature graphics tablet, you move your finger on it and > the pointer moves) I've had tracking problems on these. It really depends on how clean your fingers are and how much gunk is on the pad. > Hopefully this is PS/2 mouse compatible (or however laptop pointing > devices are emulated?) Works with XFree? It's a PS/2. > 8 MB RAM expandable to 32 MB > I know, 16 would be better, but I've run on 8 before, with no probs. Be happy, the memory is dirt cheap compared to say, Compaq laptops. > 10.4" active matrix color display > Nothing unusual here... It's a nice one too. > builtin 16 bit sound card > Is it SB16 compatible? Or will it work with the FreeBSD snd driver? I haven't rigorously tried it for SB16 compatibility. Mine is a ES688 AudioDrive, which sounds great. > Removable NiMH battery > Nothing unusual here... Get a spare battery. The thing will vacuum battery without power saving. > 3.5" 1.44m floppy disk > Just as long as I can boot the FreeBSD bootdisk, I'm happy... They only complaint is that if I access the floppy under OS/2, I get a Trap 2...works OK under DOS/Windoze. ? I think it's the Cyrix. > 32-bit VLB Windows accelerator with 1 MB VRAM > Chipset? XFree86 compatible? I don't need >256 colors but would > be nice... Mine is a Western Digital 90xxx...hey, you can get 16 bit color off the thing! :-) > 1 Type II, 1 Type III PCMCIA slot > What's the status re FreeBSD and PCMCIA? I would ideally like to > stick to a RELEASE or STABLE version, but if I must run CURRENT, > I can cope. Is this PCMCIA controller supported? What PCMCIA > devices are supported? (I'm interested in modems, network cardsk, > and SCSI cards.) Someone recommended the pc-card support, we have that on a Dell Latitiude LX and it works great. Instructions walk you through step-by-step, is absolutely painless to install. > EPP parallel, high-speed serial, sound in/out, external monitor, and > external PS/2 keyboard ports > Good, the serial ports have 16550's. I suppose I should be able > to run a external modem off one of these, if I can't/don't want to > run with PCMCIA devices? I believe it's a 16550. I have a Megahertz 28.8 PCMCIA, but I do drive a high-speed wireless modem with it and no problems. I would recommend trying the machine before buying it. Make sure you like the design and whatnot. The only other complaint I have is the thing is flimsy -- the case is a flexible plastic and it lets the screen wiggle and doesn't feel that solid. This is the next modem so they may have fixed the problems with my EzBook. Doug White | University of Oregon Internet: dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | Residence Networking Assistant http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~dwhite | Computer Science Major From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 20:17:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA15291 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:17:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA15282 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199603270417.UAA15282@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:17:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4j5tf3$41n@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> from "Thomas Graichen" at Mar 25, 96 10:44:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > is that still on your 486dx2 66 machine with 20 meg and a standard isa > ide controller ? - or do you have a new machine :-) > > t > Just purchased a new P5-166 motherboard with 32MB of RAM from rgrimes (already had 8MB) for a total of 40MB. It is really nice. John From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 20:23:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA15910 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:23:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sneezy (sneezy.sri.com [128.18.40.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA15899 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:23:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by sneezy (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27445; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:29 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:29 -0800 From: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams ) Message-Id: <199603270421.UAA27445@sneezy> To: Donald Burr Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for FreeBSD - advice sought In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > IntelDX4/100 CPU > This should work. Hopefully the APM features will work with the > FreeBSD apm0 driver? Things are getting better in this area. I've cleaned up the code quite a bit, and I hope to bring in some more changes from the Nomad which affects back-wards compatability and some buggs APM BIOS's soon. .... > 32-bit VLB Windows accelerator with 1 MB VRAM > Chipset? XFree86 compatible? I don't need >256 colors but would > be nice... Who knows what this is. It may/may not be supported. > 1 Type II, 1 Type III PCMCIA slot > What's the status re FreeBSD and PCMCIA? I would ideally like to > stick to a RELEASE or STABLE version, but if I must run CURRENT, > I can cope. Is this PCMCIA controller supported? What PCMCIA > devices are supported? (I'm interested in modems, network cardsk, > and SCSI cards.) I'm working on it. Currently, I'm the primary mover and shaker in the FreeBSD laptop world, although the BSD Nomad group is Japan is doing most of the coding. I'm mostly doing code review and cleanup, although I have done a slight bit of hacking on the code. I'm hoping to have some patches to 2.1.1 which will enable PC-CARD support, and I'm hoping that APM support will be standard in 2.1.1. For those interested in FreeBSD on laptops, join the new 'freebsd-mobile' list which has yet to go active due to a business trip I'm on. Send email to majordomo@FreeBSD.org for instructions on how to get signed up. I *hope* to get some stuff written up in the next couple days on how you can help, but if not then next week for sure. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 20:41:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA17327 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA17322 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA10509; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:41:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199603270441.UAA10509@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD crash In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:41:16 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:41:50 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >panic: ffs_valloc: dup alloc ... >Not sure what else you want that may help. I could compile a kernel with >debugging, since it's happening moderately frequently if you'd like. This just indicates that there is filesystem corruption that the system detected. It might be a hardware problem. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 21:36:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22699 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA22691 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA16211; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:31:57 +1100 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:31:57 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603270531.QAA16211@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: davidg@Root.COM, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: kgdb / remote gdb of the kernel? Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> - associated clocks. The i586 cycle counter isn't affected by interrupts >>> being enabled, so it may get way ahead of the (slow) current time. >> >>Why is this abuse of the i586 cycle counter still being used as a >>clock replacement? I thought it was pretty clear after David's visit >>at Intel that we should no longer use it. It is used because it makes microtime() several times faster (650 nsec instead of 2500 nsec on my ASUS P133). It is only used to determine the time since the last i8254 clock interrupt. This isn't abuse. > It was certainly clear to me. It's fundamentally incompatible with APM. It was only clear that we shouldn't depend on it for long-term accuracy. It's no more incompatible with APM the i8254 clock. Both are stop working in low power mode and need to be adjusted when full power is restored. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 21:46:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23794 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:46:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA23782 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 21:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id KAA14498; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:40:10 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199603270540.KAA14498@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: dgy@rtd.com (Don Yuniskis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:40:09 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: mikebo@tellabs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603262109.OAA13438@seagull.rtd.com> from "Don Yuniskis" at Mar 26, 96 02:09:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach > > 3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to > > the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? > > Um, speaking *mostly* from ignorance but I think Mklinux is implemented > as a single-server atop Mach. So, in that sense, it's still a monolithic > kernel (albeit residing atop a microkernel). I don't think they've really > gone too far afield and tried for a multi-server... Can someone shed any > more light on this? I have talked with peoples from DEC Moscow about DigitalUnix (former OSF/1). They said that the last version of it has monolithic kernel on top of Mach. They said also that DEC did this for both performance and stability reasons. So it looks like the microkernel is a bad idea yet. Although, I know that peoples in DEC Moscow indeed have very little information from DEC about anything except prices :-) and their words may be completely wrong. -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 23:03:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01461 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:03:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01456 Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id HAA00605; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:45:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00396; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:31:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:31:09 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Joerg Wunsch cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, gibbs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-Reply-To: <199603262307.AAA16445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* > /usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* max raw I/O transfer size */ > > I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. Well, this was the reason for me, Joerg, to hack dump, because restore wasn't able to read a dump which was being made this a blocksize > 64 ;-)) Well, this is certainly the culprit ... Why didn't you say that earlier ?! ;-)) So ... now the warning message in dump can possibly be removed as well as the explanation in the dump manpage ... Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVjgrfMLpmkD/U+FAQF9qQP/X8TYvpHAiylzDV7eujM1pSw+aeqQ9PgU TYrcFmM5vR0nT4yYigG+EoSKGQM0SdtPvxpuL+YtuKDfohg1L9ywR+6B4SjmYBjT cLP/CSqn2t2xdiyloJE4YF0+D7K0f+tNdXM3HtsAkemDHT6Oe3atil5egnIXAvfC f+6Q2xBS2F8= =3WJ4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 23:43:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA03481 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA03427 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA12436 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:42:59 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA29377 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:42:58 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id HAA19035 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:56:38 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603270656.HAA19035@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:56:38 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9603262247.AA28306@stargazer> from "gary.corcoran" at Mar 26, 96 05:47:06 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As gary.corcoran wrote: > Might this be a DDS-2 tape (high density recording) trying to be read by > a DDS-1 tape drive? Nope. DDS-1 drives don't even swallow DDS-2 cassettes. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 23:52:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04427 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04417 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA12665 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:52:25 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id IAA29433 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:52:25 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id IAA19750 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:50:21 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603270750.IAA19750@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:50:20 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Mar 27, 96 07:31:09 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. > > Well, this was the reason for me, Joerg, to hack dump, because > restore wasn't able to read a dump which was being made this > a blocksize > 64 ;-)) Well, this is certainly the culprit ... No, it ain't. I still can't reproduce your problem either. This 64 KB limitation hits both sides, dump(8) writes at most 64 KB blocks, and restore(8) can read'em. For Jordan, this was different: his tape has been written on a non- FreeBSD machine with 256 KB blocking. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 26 23:57:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04695 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04688 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 23:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA14564 ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:56:41 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA29512 ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:56:46 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA28089; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:25:37 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199603270725.IAA28089@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:25:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net In-Reply-To: <199603261754.SAA14974@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Mar 26, 96 06:54:17 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1788 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that J Wunsch said: > to configure your entire network to do 4.2BSD broadcasting if this is > what you want (or what you need since you can't convert the Sun's). > > Perhaps time to put NetBSD on your Sun? ;-) Hard as Philippe use Xkernel to boot the Sun diskless... How can you install NetBSD without a local disk ? -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Mar 18 21:28:18 MET 1996 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 00:36:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07033 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07009 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from didier@localhost) by zapata.omnix.fr.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA04379; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:28:58 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:28:58 +0100 (MET) From: didier@omnix.fr.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk is there an HOWTO file that explains the installation steps of netscape for linux. I installed the emulator, netscape start but is not able to find any addess. the problem seems to be related to the DNS or one of the configuration file (resolv.conf or host.conf) Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny | Omnix 8 Rue Saint Augustin 75002 Paris, France | tel: (33 1) 42 60 64 00 didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site. (Microsoft Free!) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 00:41:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07477 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:41:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cs.utah.edu (cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07471 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from bottles.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/utah-2.21-cs) id BAA14022; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:40:54 -0700 Received: by bottles.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15-leaf) id BAA11882; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:40:43 -0700 From: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Message-Id: <199603270840.BAA11882@bottles.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su (Serge A. Babkin) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 1:40:43 MST Cc: dgy@rtd.com, mikebo@tellabs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603270540.KAA14498@hq.icb.chel.su>; from "Serge A. Babkin" at Mar 27, 96 10:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Serge A. Babkin uttered: > And yet someone else said: > > Um, speaking *mostly* from ignorance but I think Mklinux is implemented > > as a single-server atop Mach. So, in that sense, it's still a monolithic > > kernel (albeit residing atop a microkernel). I don't think they've really > > gone too far afield and tried for a multi-server... Can someone shed any > > more light on this? It's basically what's been called a ``single server''. This has been a pretty standard implementation technique for servers on Mach. Basically you take a monolithic system, hack off the bottom and replace that with calls to Mach. Since you have to worry about preemtability in user space, generally there's a certain amount of locking/threading that also takes place, although none of the single servers that I know about are terribliy multithreaded (generally there's a ``unix master lock'' that you have to aquire before doing much of anything). There have been a couple attemts at a multi-server on Mach, Mach-US and the Hurd being the two best known examples. > I have talked with peoples from DEC Moscow about DigitalUnix (former OSF/1). > They said that the last version of it has monolithic kernel on top of Mach. > They said also that DEC did this for both performance and stability reasons. > So it looks like the microkernel is a bad idea yet. Although, I know that > peoples in DEC Moscow indeed have very little information from DEC about > anything except prices :-) and their words may be completely wrong. OSF/1 has always been a monolithic system. It's based on Mach 2.x, which is basically just 4.3BSD code that was modified to make Mach low-level calls instead. There is no server, since everything is in the kernel. Even if there was a server, I wouldn't venture to call anything Mach `micro'. =) OSF/1 MK is a serverized version of OSF/1, the same as Mach 3.0/UX is the serverized version of Mach 2.x. Basically they took the code that was above the Mach layer and moved it into a server, just keeping the Mach abstractions in the kernel. However, lately even OSF/1 MK has been doing ``In Kernel Servers'', where they move the server back into the kernel's address space and sort-circuit the RPC's (turn them into function calls) to get better performance. steve -- // stephen clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu // university of utah From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 00:53:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07995 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07886 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:51:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA14325; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:50:51 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29702; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:50:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA19973; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:30:11 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603270830.JAA19973@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:30:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603270725.IAA28089@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Mar 27, 96 08:25:37 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Ollivier Robert wrote: > It seems that J Wunsch said: > > to configure your entire network to do 4.2BSD broadcasting if this is > > what you want (or what you need since you can't convert the Sun's). > > > > Perhaps time to put NetBSD on your Sun? ;-) > > Hard as Philippe use Xkernel to boot the Sun diskless... How can you > install NetBSD without a local disk ? No idea. I seem to remember some ``diskless FAQ'', but i'm not well- informed regarding NetBSD. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 01:00:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08436 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun001.sil.com (sun001.sil.com [193.195.22.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08415 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:00:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by sun001.sil.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08784; Wed, 27 Mar 96 08:58:51 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:53:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Perryman Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? To: Philippe Regnauld Cc: hackers , Darren Reed In-Reply-To: <199603262232.XAA00589@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > Darren Reed =E9crit / writes: >=20 > > Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would > > somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available > > modes. >=20 > Doesn't Linux use some sort of ModeLine (just like XFree), and u= se > it to drive the console at any frequency and/or resolution ? That's the SVGA console, from what I remember the normal linux console doens't require any special setup files. > -- Phil Barry --- Barry Perryman - perryman@sun001.sil.com Satellites International Limited, England Participant 27,693,292 in the BSE -> CJD Experiment From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 01:17:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09440 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09435 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:17:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA00679; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:16:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199603270916.BAA00679@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Barry Perryman cc: hackers Subject: Re: > 80x24 ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:53:05 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:16:21 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Barry Perryman said: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > Darren Reed =E9crit / writes: > >=20 > > > Linux has some table of the things, and before it did this, it would > > > somehow "probe" the card and give a (not complete) list of available > > > modes. > >=20 > > Doesn't Linux use some sort of ModeLine (just like XFree), and u= > se > > it to drive the console at any frequency and/or resolution ? > > That's the SVGA console, from what I remember the normal linux > console doens't require any special setup files. > The last time I took a look at the linux svga thingy it was primitive at best . The best thing to do is to convert the bottom part of XFree86 to a library with a little patience it can be done. Worst possible scenario is to use the whole X server as a library which is not a bad idea. Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 01:53:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12722 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:53:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12715 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA02506; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:53:41 -0800 (PST) To: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) cc: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:47:06 EST." <9603262247.AA28306@stargazer> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:53:41 -0800 Message-ID: <2504.827920421@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Might this be a DDS-2 tape (high density recording) trying to be read by > a DDS-1 tape drive? That's a good point - I had forgotten that there were two varieties. My drive probes as: (ahc0:3:0): "ARCHIVE Python 28388-XXX 4.98" type 1 removable SCSI 2 st0(ahc0:3:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty And the tape was written on an SGI Indigo 2, not that I have any idea what kind of tapes those use. Any clues as to how to find this kind of information out? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 02:03:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA14066 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA14048 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id TAA27330; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:03:42 +0900 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:03:42 +0900 Message-Id: <199603271003.TAA27330@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: nate@sneezy.sri.com Cc: d_burr@ix.netcom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Buying a laptop for FreeBSD - advice sought In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 26 Mar 1996 20:21:29 -0800. <199603270421.UAA27445@sneezy> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <199603270421.UAA27445@sneezy> nate@sneezy.sri.com writes: >> I'm working on it. Currently, I'm the primary mover and shaker in the >> FreeBSD laptop world, although the BSD Nomad group is Japan is doing >> most of the coding. I'm mostly doing code review and cleanup, although >> I have done a slight bit of hacking on the code. >> >> I'm hoping to have some patches to 2.1.1 which will enable PC-CARD >> support, and I'm hoping that APM support will be standard in 2.1.1. I'll release our pccard package tomorrow. It's based on 2.2-960323-SNAP and 2.1.0-RELEASE, supports some new cards (Contec PCMCIA Ethernet and Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet, etc.), and many bugs of SNAP-based version is fixed. FYI: My environment for development of our pc-card package Digital Hinote Ultra CS433 (RAM 20MB, HDD 815MB) Digital Hinote CS433 (RAM 20MB, HDD 720MB) Desktop PC (Pentium-133, RAM 16MB, HDD 4.2GB) I love Digital Hinote Ultra. It's very nice subnote. The latest information of our pccard package can be found at http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa/freebsd-pcmcia/ Enjoy! -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 02:20:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16358 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16352 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/1.2) id DAA09781; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:20:23 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199603271020.DAA09781@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:20:23 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199603270840.BAA11882@bottles.cs.utah.edu> from "steve clawson" at Mar 27, 96 01:40:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > And yet someone else said: Yeah, *me*! ;-) > > > Um, speaking *mostly* from ignorance but I think Mklinux is implemented > > > as a single-server atop Mach. So, in that sense, it's still a monolithic > > > kernel (albeit residing atop a microkernel). I don't think they've really > > > gone too far afield and tried for a multi-server... Can someone shed any > > > more light on this? > > It's basically what's been called a ``single server''. This has > been a pretty standard implementation technique for servers on Mach. > Basically you take a monolithic system, hack off the bottom and > replace that with calls to Mach. Since you have to worry about Yes. This was the case with bsdss, UX and poe. But, US actually tries to be a multiserver... but a bit of a resource hog :-( > preemtability in user space, generally there's a certain amount of > locking/threading that also takes place, although none of the single > servers that I know about are terribliy multithreaded (generally > there's a ``unix master lock'' that you have to aquire before doing > much of anything). Not to mention the problems in implementing the emulation library in a "robust" form -- especially if a shared object! > There have been a couple attemts at a multi-server on Mach, > Mach-US and the Hurd being the two best known examples. > > > I have talked with peoples from DEC Moscow about DigitalUnix (former OSF/1). > > They said that the last version of it has monolithic kernel on top of Mach. > > They said also that DEC did this for both performance and stability reasons. Performance is a big issue in a microkernel implementation. And, a multi-server implementation has oodles of traps waiting to screw the unwary implementer! > > So it looks like the microkernel is a bad idea yet. Although, I know that > > peoples in DEC Moscow indeed have very little information from DEC about > > anything except prices :-) and their words may be completely wrong. > > OSF/1 has always been a monolithic system. It's based on Mach > 2.x, which is basically just 4.3BSD code that was modified to make I thought 2.5? > Mach low-level calls instead. There is no server, since everything is > in the kernel. Even if there was a server, I wouldn't venture to call > anything Mach `micro'. =) > > OSF/1 MK is a serverized version of OSF/1, the same as Mach > 3.0/UX is the serverized version of Mach 2.x. Basically they took the > code that was above the Mach layer and moved it into a server, just > keeping the Mach abstractions in the kernel. However, lately even > OSF/1 MK has been doing ``In Kernel Servers'', where they move the > server back into the kernel's address space and sort-circuit the RPC's > (turn them into function calls) to get better performance. "That's the rub", unfortunately :-( Though I thought your migration code was trying to address some of this -- at least for the local case (?) --don From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 02:21:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16424 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16418 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA02627; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:21:16 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:21:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Ollivier Robert cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) In-Reply-To: <199603270725.IAA28089@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Ollivier Robert wrote: > Hard as Philippe use Xkernel to boot the Sun diskless... How can you > install NetBSD without a local disk ? Quite easily. Suns use bootparamd and tftp to boot. I had mine running for 2 weeks using NFS while I waited for my disk to be ordered/delivered etc. BTW, has the manpage for bootparamd and bootparams made it to current/stable yet? | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 02:35:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA17537 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun001.sil.com (sun001.sil.com [193.195.22.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17532 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 02:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by sun001.sil.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09167; Wed, 27 Mar 96 09:38:20 GMT Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:37:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Barry Perryman Reply-To: Barry Perryman Subject: Ok, I'll bite... To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Just what is this gdb-remote that Jordan keeps mentioning in an almost subliminal way ? Barry --- Barry Perryman - perryman@sun001.sil.com Satellites International Limited, England Participant 27,693,292 in the BSE -> CJD Experiment From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 03:36:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA21550 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21495 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:36:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA04484; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:35:47 -0800 (PST) To: Barry Perryman cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ok, I'll bite... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 09:37:50 GMT." Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 03:35:47 -0800 Message-ID: <4482.827926547@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Just what is this gdb-remote that Jordan keeps mentioning in an almost > subliminal way ? I'm not sure what [gdb-remote!] you mean by this but [gdb-remote!] I'll do by best to answer your question. Basically, it's a protocol that gdb can speak with a remote process (be it a kernel or whatever) to control it. It's basically just a stream of text that the remote end emits in answer to various gdb queries. Imagine for a moment using ddb as an interactive user, deciding that you don't _quite_ like the interface it provides and then writing a program which will spit out ddb commands on your behalf and digesting and reformatting the results that ddb prints back. gdb-remote allows you to do your debugging from gdb using a different box and with the complete sources (from which, presumably, the kernel was built) local to that box for source-level debugging. Jordan [gdb-remote!] From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 04:50:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25458 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA25453 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA00332; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:50:03 -0800 (PST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:07:20 +0100." <199603262307.AAA16445@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 04:50:03 -0800 Message-ID: <330.827931003@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Are you sure your DAT drive is able to read 256K blocks at all? > > Does ``mt blocksize 0'' and ``dd if=/dev/rst0 ibs=256k ...'' work? Nope! > j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* > /usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* ma x raw I/O transfer size */ > > I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. Just for grins, I tried this. ``panic: double fault'' right upon invoking init.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 06:32:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00739 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cabri.obs-besancon.fr (cabri.obs-besancon.fr [193.52.184.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA00734 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 06:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by cabri.obs-besancon.fr (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09971; Wed, 27 Mar 96 15:33:45 +0100 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 15:33:45 +0100 Message-Id: <9603271433.AA09971@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, gibbs@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <330.827931003@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Jordan K Hubbard" writes: >> Are you sure your DAT drive is able to read 256K blocks at all? >> >> Does ``mt blocksize 0'' and ``dd if=/dev/rst0 ibs=256k ...'' work? I think you must use ``mt -f /dev/nrst0 blocksize 0'' ^ Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 07:28:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03164 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03155 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:25:15 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:33:44 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su, dgy@rtd.com Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.ORG, mikebo@tellabs.com Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would also check out the work that University of Utah is doing with Flux/Mach. URL: http://www.cs.utah.edu/projects/flux/index.html I was able to bootstrap their system ontop of FreeBSD. Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 07:28:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03211 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03180 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id HAA65361; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:12 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Walton To: Brian Litzinger cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <199603270055.QAA09258@MediaCity.Com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Brian Litzinger wrote: > > I'm using the Bitsurfr Pro with freebsd. Everything is fine except that > > in MLPPP mode, and when I receive files via ftp the bitsurfr resets itself. > > This only happens in the mlppp mode at 128k, it doesn't happen when using > > ppp on 64k. > > Could this be a limitation/problem from the ppp implementation on fbsd? > > It's not. > > > Has anyone experienced such a problem? > > yes. lots of us. > > > Or is my bitsurfr broken? > > yes it is. Even if its running 1E firmware. I'm curious in what way you feel it's broken. I haven't set mine up under FreeBSD yet, but I've never had a problem like this under Win95. That would tend to indicate to me that either only some BitSURFRs are broken (not mine), or the hardware works and it's a software (FreeBSD ppp) problem. Or am I missing something here? Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 07:44:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA04797 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:44:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from border.com (ns.border.com [199.71.190.98]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04791 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:44:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by janus.border.com id <18433-2>; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:44:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:43:47 -0500 From: Jerry Kendall To: FreeBSD Hackers Subject: fdisk and partition info Message-Id: <96Mar27.104433est.18433-2@janus.border.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all. I have a bit of a puzzle on my hands. As most of you know, I am writing a utility to 'fdisk/disklabel/newfs' a hard disk. The puzzle I have run across is not a show stopper, but, more of a 'explain this to me' sort of thing.. The current layout(due to short sightedness on microsoft's part) of the partition table in sector 0 only support 1024 cylinders, 64 sectors, and 256 heads. The current layout of my hard disk has 1647 cylinders, 63 sectors and 16 heads. All of it is for FreeBSD. When I do a 'fdisk wd0' it only reports 24MB.. Now then, can I assume the 24MB amount is due to the 1024 cylinder limit? Does FreeBSD look at the 'disklabel' or does it also look at the partition layout? Does FreeBSD, once loaded, need to be concerned about the partition layout ?? After all is said and done, is it safe to say the partition table is ONLY used at boot time? If so, this would explain way FreeBSD does'nt care about the 24MB reported by fdisk. Some of these questions are simply to confirm things... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any comments or opinions in this message are my own and may or may not reflect the comments or opinions of my present or previous employers. Jerry Kendall Border Network Technologies Inc. System Software Engineer Tel +1-416-368-7157 ext 303 jerry@border.com Fax +1-416-368-7178 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 08:08:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA05965 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05929 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from egg.lmc.ericsson.se (egg.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.32.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id RAA00715; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:06:52 +0100 Received: from chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (chicago.lmc.ericsson.se) by egg.lmc.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2) id AA17077; Wed, 27 Mar 96 11:06:49 EST Received: by chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13551; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) From: Samy Touati X-Sender: lmcsato@chicago To: Dave Walton Cc: Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How did you set up your hardware under win95. I set it up but I'm never able to use mlppp. It's like there's an init string sent to the bitsurfr just before dialing that put it in ppp mode with one channel. I talked to a motorola tech support yesterday and he told me there is no way the unit should reset itself, so he pointed out that there's a high probability that my unit is defective. Is the tcp extensions stuff supported by the bitsurfr mlppp? And what about the Van Jacobson compression? I disabled and enabled them without any change in behaviour. Samy On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Dave Walton wrote: > On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Brian Litzinger wrote: > > > > I'm using the Bitsurfr Pro with freebsd. Everything is fine except that > > > in MLPPP mode, and when I receive files via ftp the bitsurfr resets itself. > > > This only happens in the mlppp mode at 128k, it doesn't happen when using > > > ppp on 64k. > > > Could this be a limitation/problem from the ppp implementation on fbsd? > > > > It's not. > > > > > Has anyone experienced such a problem? > > > > yes. lots of us. > > > > > Or is my bitsurfr broken? > > > > yes it is. Even if its running 1E firmware. > > I'm curious in what way you feel it's broken. I haven't set mine up > under FreeBSD yet, but I've never had a problem like this under Win95. > That would tend to indicate to me that either only some BitSURFRs are > broken (not mine), or the hardware works and it's a software (FreeBSD > ppp) problem. Or am I missing something here? > > Dave > > > ========================================================================== > David Walton Unix Programmer > PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com > 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 > Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 > ========================================================================== > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 08:42:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07613 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:42:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07585 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id IAA40044; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:42:00 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Walton To: Samy Touati cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Samy Touati wrote: > How did you set up your hardware under win95. > I set it up but I'm never able to use mlppp. It's like there's an init > string sent to the bitsurfr just before dialing that put it in ppp mode > with one channel. Right-click on the Dial-up Networking icon for your ISDN connection and select properties. Click the Configure button to bring up the BitSURFR properties window. Under the Connection tab, click the Advanced button. In that window, there is a box where you can enter the init string that is used before dialing. To use mlppp, enter: at&f1%a4=1 That should do it, but double-check in your manual since I'm just remembering this off the top of my head. It might be %a4=2, but I'm not sure. When you double-click the Dial-up Networking icon to start the connection, you'll need to manually edit the phone number. You need to specify a number for each channel, but Win95 doesn't let you do this in the Dialing Properties. The BitSURFR expects a dialing string like: atdt5551234&5551235 So before you start dialing, edit the displayed number to read: 5551234&5551235 If the place you are calling uses automatic rollover of the lines, so you only have one phone number to call, you can use the same number twice: 5551234&5551234 > Is the tcp extensions stuff supported by the bitsurfr mlppp? And what > about the Van Jacobson compression? I disabled and enabled them without > any change in behaviour. I think these are a software issue between the computers on each end of the connection. The BitSURFR shouldn't care about the details of the data it's transmitting. In that regard, it's no different than a modem. Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 08:55:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA08415 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08410 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA01025; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Walton cc: Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 07:28:12 PST." Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 08:55:26 -0800 Message-ID: <1023.827945726@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm curious in what way you feel it's broken. I haven't set mine up > under FreeBSD yet, but I've never had a problem like this under Win95. > That would tend to indicate to me that either only some BitSURFRs are > broken (not mine), or the hardware works and it's a software (FreeBSD > ppp) problem. Or am I missing something here? Well, I've had no trouble getting ADTRAN TAs to work (a far superior product to the BitSurfr, which is why I never gave the Motos a second look) with FreeBSD. There's also the fact that your TA actually drops the connection, and this does _not_ point at FreeBSD. The TA should keep the connection up regardless of what kind of data you're sending down it, and if it chokes up and drops your connection then this really does point the finger squarely in its direction. I'd try this with another pair of TAs from another manufacturer if you're serious about testing it. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 10:28:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA15561 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA15556 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 10:28:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01607; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:23:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603271823.LAA01607@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:23:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: babkin@hq.icb.chel.su, dgy@rtd.com, mikebo@tellabs.com, freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603270840.BAA11882@bottles.cs.utah.edu> from "steve clawson" at Mar 27, 96 01:40:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > OSF/1 MK is a serverized version of OSF/1, the same as Mach > 3.0/UX is the serverized version of Mach 2.x. Basically they took the > code that was above the Mach layer and moved it into a server, just > keeping the Mach abstractions in the kernel. However, lately even > OSF/1 MK has been doing ``In Kernel Servers'', where they move the > server back into the kernel's address space and sort-circuit the RPC's > (turn them into function calls) to get better performance. Message overhead is the reason that Chorus changed tactics (Chorus is a "competing" microkernel that USL was using to implement the next version of System V after SVR4.2 was released; it ran "NetWare" and "UnixWare" personalities simultaneously). The amount of protection domain crossing in MACH is prohibitive for anything but monolithic servers... the performance just isn't there otherwise. Chorus source code is available for University licensing at $1000 a pop. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 11:28:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA20287 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20282 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:28:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603271928.LAA20282@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@Root.COM cc: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 26 Mar 1996 17:17:42 PST." <199603270117.RAA10049@Root.COM> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:28:53 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>j@uriah 268% fgrep MAXPHYS /usr/include/machine/* >>>/usr/include/machine/param.h:#define MAXPHYS (64 * 1024) /* m >ax >>> raw I/O transfer size */ >>> >>>I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. >> >>Buffers only hold 64k. How can you read a larger block size? We have to >>provide a way of chaining buffers together to allow such large block sizes. >>I proposed buffer chaining to John some time ago, but other things have >>been more important. > > The buffer size could be increased, but the larger problem is that most if >not all of the adapters have too few scatter-gather segments to handle it. In >order to work around this, we'd have to implement some general mechanism for >allocating contiguous chunks of memory that works all the time (as opposed to >just during startup like the current code does). This is very difficult >because it involves reclaiming pages/paging. > >-DG Wouldn't it cost too much kernel VM to increase MAXPHYS? With buffer chaining, and the ability to maintain buffers that were composed of chunks of contiguous space (16k, 32k, the whole buffer?) it would be easier to "reclaim space" and still get the SG count for large "256k" transactions down to something reasonalbe. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 11:38:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA20801 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20796 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (lislip.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id UAA17868 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:38:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA03166; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:53:20 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results Date: 27 Mar 1996 18:53:19 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 18 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4jc2qv$321@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <199603270417.UAA15282@freefall.freebsd.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Dyson (dyson@freefall.freebsd.org) wrote: : > : > is that still on your 486dx2 66 machine with 20 meg and a standard isa : > ide controller ? - or do you have a new machine :-) : Just purchased a new P5-166 motherboard with 32MB of RAM from rgrimes : (already had 8MB) for a total of 40MB. It is really nice. now that you have such a fast machine - will we still get you to make the FreeBSD vm faster ? :-) t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 11:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA21521 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA21516 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01736; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:49:37 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603271949.MAA01736@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: jerry@border.com (Jerry Kendall) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:49:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <96Mar27.104433est.18433-2@janus.border.com> from "Jerry Kendall" at Mar 27, 96 10:43:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a bit of a puzzle on my hands. As most of you know, I am > writing a utility to 'fdisk/disklabel/newfs' a hard disk. The puzzle > I have run across is not a show stopper, but, more of a 'explain this to > me' sort of thing.. > > The current layout(due to short sightedness on microsoft's part) of the > partition table in sector 0 only support 1024 cylinders, 64 sectors, and > 256 heads. The current layout of my hard disk has 1647 cylinders, 63 > sectors and 16 heads. All of it is for FreeBSD. When I do a 'fdisk wd0' > it only reports 24MB.. Now then, can I assume the 24MB amount is due to > the 1024 cylinder limit? Does FreeBSD look at the 'disklabel' or does it > also look at the partition layout? Does FreeBSD, once loaded, need to be > concerned about the partition layout ?? After all is said and done, is it > safe to say the partition table is ONLY used at boot time? If so, this > would explain way FreeBSD does'nt care about the 24MB reported by fdisk. [ ... well, this will go on longer than it should, but I don't have time to write anything smaller ... ] OK. Here's the scoop. The BIOS provides the INT 13 raw disk interface, which operates on C/H/S offsets. There is also a potential for an "LBA" interface, which is an extension interface not supported by all hardware. Now there are five types of translation a BIOS accessed drive may have: 1) No translation. This is best, because the geometry is invariant of whether you are accessing it via BIOS or via a protected mode driver). 2) Hardware translation. This is next best, because the geometry is still invariant of whether you are accessing it via BIOS or via a protected mode driver. It's only next best because it is subject to implementation errors; specifically, the WD1007 sector sparing is flawed because the controller reports the non-spared sector count when queried. 3) Linear software translation. This is the mathematical translation of C/H/S values by the BIOS so that the interface presented at the upper layer does not exceed a 'C' of 1024 (the largest cylinder number that can be transferred to the controller using the INT 13 API). It is linear because absolute sector addresses are invariant despite translation. That is, sector 9135 is sector 9135, after the C/H/S multiplication. 4) Non-linear software translation. This is also the mathematical translation of C/H/S values by the BIOS; the difference is, that something like sector sparing or other "media perfection" is stuck in the BIOS, such that it "goes away" if you use a non-BIOS method to access the drive. These can't be shared between protected mode and BIOS-using OS's, or can't be easily shared, anyway, unless the sparing mathematics used by the BIOS are duplicated in the driver software for the non-BIOS driver. 5) C/H/S to "LBA" translation. This is available only on systems with BIOS support for LBA (either on the controller ROM, loaded via POST, or in the system BIOS ROM). This translation of C/H/S to LBA interface is done by an INT 13 redirector. There are two classes of redirector: the first is in the controller BIOS and is loaded on POST or integrated with the INT 13 controller firmware. The second is loaded as part of the boot process from the boot media (an example is the OnTrack Disk Manager 6.x and 7.x MBR replaements). For MBR-loaded TSR's for C/H/S to LBA translation (and generally, geometry translation in BIOS at the same time), the MBR loader is generally hidden from the BIOS by having the cylinder it uses subtracted from the available cylinders it reports, and by having the resulting sector number biased by 64 (the translated cylinder size base on number of sectors). Only one redirector, the OnTrack redirector, is recognized by FreeBSD, and that's only because they have a fake partition table with a recognizable ID and the OnTrack people disclosed this information to the FreeBSD camp. When any translation is in effect, an fdisk program must create its DOS partition table partitions with knowledge of the geometry that the BIOS would see were it to look at the drive. Things like the OS/2 boot manager insist on partitions starting on cylinder boundries, etc.. This means that in order to provide a FreeBSD fdisk program, you must be able to determine the BIOS geometry of the underlying drive. This is without regard for the underlying implementation details of the fdisk program itself. Generally, there are three approaches to solving this problem: 1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice code does, much to the consternation of those of us who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. 2) Interpolate the geometry from an existing DOS partition table, and the known rules of behaviour for the DOS fdisk program. Specifically, starting and ending on cylinder boundries, etc.. Since it is possible to have multiple geometries result in the same values, especially when you have a small number of partitions (for instance, one), this is not a 100% reliable approach -- in general, it is so *unreliable* that the slice code was invented to replace it. It's possible to "help" this approach be more accurate using the 32 bit absolute sector address, which is also in the partition table. The problem with that is that older FDISK programs did not generally fill out the 32 bit sector offset correctly, so determining this information is usually no more reliable if the offset happens to check a valid geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these fields out correctly in any case). 3) Ask the BIOS. There are several ways to do this: a) Implement a VM86() call through which you can do disk I/O. b) Implement a multi-stage boot as opposed to a two stage boot, and use real mode code in the third stage boot program (probably called "/boot") to pass the information off to the kernel. This could be a potential future problem with system incompatability with the OpenBoot and MultiBoot standards. c) Do all BSD partitioning using a real-mode FDISK loaded under DOS or loaded directly as a "cold capture" (running it instead of a boot program). Such "BIOS-begging" would probably require multiple I/O's to the disk to assemble MD5 checkums (one method) to identify specific sectors to establish BIOS-drive-number-to-protected- mode-driver-device-id mappings. Otherwise, you wouldn't be sure which drive was which, and even when you knew all the BIOS drive geometries, you couldn't match them to non-BIOS drives. My personal opinion is that option 3c is not an option. The reason I believe this is that I think that partitioning should occur in a standard framework, and it will be impossible to fit all types of partitioning into that framework. DOS partition table partitioning is not the only type of partitioning available. Other types of partitioning, specifically, DOS Extended partitions, BSD disklabels, Solaris disklabels, SVR4 slicing, OSF disklabels, etc. etc., should all be manageable with a single tool, in my opinion. To achieve this, I would suggest leveraging the devfs code. Specifically, given an arbitrary raw device, you could ioctl() an fd open to it to determine the partitioning in place and the partitioning allowable. Once a partitioning scheme was in place, additional device nodes would appear in the devfs hierarchy as a result of a call-back from the create ioctl(). It is possible to generate a flat name space from this, but I don't think it is desirable for two reasons: 1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device with OnTrack disk manager "partitioning" with DOS partitioning on top of that with DOS extended partitioning on top of that with BSD disklabel partitioning on top of that, with a transparent media perfection layer (bad144) layered on top of that. The names would get impossibly unwieldy fast. 2) There is no natural recognition of hierarchical ordering in a flat name space, when in fact what is presented is a logical on physical driver hierarchy. The n-m mapping of the graph is too complex to deal with in a flat name space and still present a uniform user interface. Specifically, if I have an arbitrary device in a flat name space, am I allowed to add DOS partitioning to it or not? My argument here is that without an easy way to traverse the hierarchy of devices to find parents, there is no easy answer to that question, short of iterating all devices. Directories are a natural fit. In addition, the name/depth association is not fixed. For instance, SCSI devices may be identified by a LUN selector, while IDE devices may not. There is no easy way to map "offset in name" to "depth in hierarchy". An fdisk program based on a controller knowledge of disk "geometry" for use in applying DOS partitioning semantics, and a generic logical device driver interface, with each driver knowing to which devices it may be applied and "recognizing" the devices (ala PP's and LP's under AIX), would allow a single program for management of all present and future partitioning schemes (ie: no knowledge is built into the fdisk program itself). This also buys the ability to implement logical devices for volume spanning operations (mirroring, striping, soft RAID, and concatenation), and media perfection (sector sparing using the same methods a BIOS and applied to the whole drive, or BSD bad144 style sector sparing which can protect the disklabel as well as the partition contents). As for intermediate soloutions, the first problem is, as you've identified, finding out the BIOS geometry for a given drive to allow application of DOS disk partitioning and extended partitioning. Hope this helps. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 12:52:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA25985 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from seagull.rtd.com (root@seagull.rtd.com [198.102.68.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA25960 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:52:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dgy@localhost) by seagull.rtd.com (8.6.12/1.2) id NAA19259; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:52:14 -0700 From: Don Yuniskis Message-Id: <199603272052.NAA19259@seagull.rtd.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:52:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <199603271823.LAA01607@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 27, 96 11:23:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Terry Lambert said: > > > OSF/1 MK is a serverized version of OSF/1, the same as Mach > > 3.0/UX is the serverized version of Mach 2.x. Basically they took the > > code that was above the Mach layer and moved it into a server, just > > keeping the Mach abstractions in the kernel. However, lately even > > OSF/1 MK has been doing ``In Kernel Servers'', where they move the > > server back into the kernel's address space and sort-circuit the RPC's > > (turn them into function calls) to get better performance. > > Message overhead is the reason that Chorus changed tactics (Chorus is I assume that was especially nasty for their COOL runtime. > a "competing" microkernel that USL was using to implement the next > version of System V after SVR4.2 was released; it ran "NetWare" and > "UnixWare" personalities simultaneously). The amount of protection > domain crossing in MACH is prohibitive for anything but monolithic > servers... the performance just isn't there otherwise. The real win (actually !lose) is when the RPC's are truly remote as in a NoW application. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 12:59:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA27259 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from MediaCity.Com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27254 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 12:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.Com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA10122; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199603272105.NAA10122@MediaCity.Com> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: dwalton@psiint.com (Dave Walton) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:05:02 -0800 (PST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Dave Walton at "Mar 27, 96 07:28:12 am" Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.Com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [brian wrote] [Bitsurfer Pros broken] Dave Walton wrote: > I'm curious in what way you feel it's broken. Exhaustive testing. > I haven't set mine up > under FreeBSD yet, but I've never had a problem like this under Win95. > That would tend to indicate to me that either only some BitSURFRs are > broken (not mine), or the hardware works and it's a software (FreeBSD > ppp) problem. > Or am I missing something here? Experience. There was a time when I was willing to actually track down the actual bugs in the BSPros and 3COM Impacts. Me and others in fact did track down a few and report them to the appropriate authorities. I've gotten tired and fixing their products for them though. Now all I do is check if they work and report Go, No Go. However, given both companies are close to releasing new versions of their products it isn't really worth spending time on the current ones. -- Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD http[s]://www.mpress.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 13:47:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA01298 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01273 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from egg.lmc.ericsson.se (egg.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.32.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id WAA15125; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:47:20 +0100 Received: from chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (chicago.lmc.ericsson.se) by egg.lmc.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2) id AA28926; Wed, 27 Mar 96 16:47:16 EST Received: by chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00374; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:46:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:46:31 -0500 (EST) From: Samy Touati X-Sender: lmcsato@chicago To: Brian Litzinger Cc: Dave Walton , questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <199603272105.NAA10122@MediaCity.Com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Brian Litzinger wrote: > > [brian wrote] > [Bitsurfer Pros broken] > > > However, given both companies are close to releasing new versions of > their products it isn't really worth spending time on the current > ones. > What new versions you're talking about? New software upgrades or new hardwares ? Samy > -- > Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD > http[s]://www.mpress.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 14:46:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08603 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:46:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08586 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id NAA22817; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:14:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603272114.NAA22817@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: didier@omnix.fr.org Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:14:26 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "didier@omnix.fr.org" at Mar 27, 96 09:28:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk EXACTLY what I'm looking for... > > > > is there an HOWTO file that explains the installation steps of netscape > for linux. > > I installed the emulator, netscape start but is not able to find > any addess. the problem seems to be related to the DNS or one of > the configuration file (resolv.conf or host.conf) > > > Thanks for your help > > > -- > Didier Derny | Omnix 8 Rue Saint Augustin 75002 Paris, France > | tel: (33 1) 42 60 64 00 > didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site. (Microsoft Free!) > > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 14:46:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA08612 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:46:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08590 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id NAA20862; Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:57:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603262157.NAA20862@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: OSF Micro Kernel for Linux/FreeBSD/etc (fwd) To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 26 Mar 1996 13:57:08 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: mikebo@tellabs.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603261944.LAA09127@Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Mar 26, 96 11:44:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > >FreeBSD hackers - > >I received a copy of this from a friend who does a lot of PowerPC work. > >Since I've seen nothing about this on the FreeBSD lists as yet, I thought > >some of you might like to know about this new frontier. The article > >mentions FreeBSD, but perhaps the discussion is more germane to NetBSD. > > > >Is the FreeBSD core team open to the idea of possibly moving to a Mach > >3.0 micro-kernel, or is there significant sentimental attachment to > >the traditional, monolithic BSD kernel? > > No, we're not open to the idea. HOWEVER follow the LITES link from the FreeBSD web page to find a MACH based system with FreeBSD (and other) connections. > > >Unrelated shot-in-the-dark question: Does ANY version of Linux > >incorporate the FreeBSD or 4.4BSD Lite TCP/IP networking code? > > Not that I'm aware of. > > -DG > > David Greenman > Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 14:58:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA09885 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from meter.eng.uci.edu (root@meter.eng.uci.edu [128.200.85.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09878 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from newport.ece.uci.edu by meter.eng.uci.edu (8.7.4) id OAA09965; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by newport.ece.uci.edu (8.7.4) id OAA29233; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:57:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603272257.OAA29233@newport.ece.uci.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: libc 3.0 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:57:59 -0800 From: Steven Wallace Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry I missed this change, but why was it absolutely necessary to bump the major version of libc? What interface(s) changed? I hate having another libc version around! If we gotta do this, it might be a good time to go to ELF binaries since that will require a new lib anyways. Steven From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 15:32:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12156 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12151 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:32:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id RAA19693; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:31:34 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603272331.RAA19693@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:31:33 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4jc2qv$321@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> from "Thomas Graichen" at Mar 27, 96 06:53:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > John Dyson (dyson@freefall.freebsd.org) wrote: > : > > : > is that still on your 486dx2 66 machine with 20 meg and a standard isa > : > ide controller ? - or do you have a new machine :-) > > : Just purchased a new P5-166 motherboard with 32MB of RAM from rgrimes > : (already had 8MB) for a total of 40MB. It is really nice. > > now that you have such a fast machine - will we still get you to make the > FreeBSD vm faster ? :-) Yeah, I'm sending him a 386sx/16 with 3MB RAM and a 40MB hard disk. :-) (actually, I think I have a machine that resembles that laying around..) ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 16:07:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA15686 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:07:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sxt2.space.lockheed.com (sxt2.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15678 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:07:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by sxt2.space.lockheed.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10142; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:02:01 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:02:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: JULIAN Elischer Cc: didier@omnix.fr.org, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199603272114.NAA22817@ref.tfs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, JULIAN Elischer wrote: > EXACTLY what I'm looking for... To the request for: > > is there an HOWTO file that explains the installation steps of netscape > > for linux. > > > > I installed the emulator, netscape start but is not able to find > > any addess. the problem seems to be related to the DNS or one of > > the configuration file (resolv.conf or host.conf) Rich Murphey has in a round-about way answered this question in the recent Mathmatica debate. The answers are: RESOLV_HOST_CONF=/compat/linux/etc/host.conf; export RESOLV_HOST_CONF where /compat/linux/etc/host.conf can be created by: echo 'order bind,hosts' > /compat/linux/etc/host.conf --Brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 17:09:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA18852 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:09:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18847 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0u25wj-00084gC; Wed, 27 Mar 96 18:52 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0u25mc-000C1kC; Wed, 27 Mar 96 18:41 WET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 18:41 WET To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Wed Mar 27 1996, 18:41:45 CST Subject: Re: FreeBSD and MMX Cc: lehey.pad@sni.de Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [1]Do you have a URL? I've spent hours searching the Intel www site, and [1]found nothing about MMX. How I love the web! For the programmers manual, look at: http://www.intel.com/pc-supp/multimed/mmx/prm.htm Frank Durda IV |"The Knights who say "LETNi" or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | demand... A SEGMENT REGISTER!!!" |"A what?" or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem |"LETNi! LETNi! LETNi!" - 1983 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 18:40:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22975 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:40:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pascal.org (root@pascal.org [205.149.180.206]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22858 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pascal.org (pascal@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.pascal.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA06652 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:39:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3159FBF4.167EB0E7@pascal.org> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:39:48 -0800 From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" Organization: The Pascal Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Hackers mailing list Subject: STB PowerGraph 64 Video (Trio64V+) and XF86... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all; I upgraded to a P100 PCI motherboard awhile back and with it a new video card. I'm now using a "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" video card and I'm having no end to trouble when trying to configure it with XF96 (everything else seems to run just fine on this new motherboard). Has anyone else been able to get this card to work with XF86? Here's the Device section I'm using: Section "Device" Identifier "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" VendorName "STB" Chipset "s3_generic" EndSection The above settings at lease cause the XF86_S3 server to see the card and identify it as having a Trio64V+ chipset when I run with "-probeonly". But when I run the server the screen clears, the drive light comes on, and my machine locks up solid. After rebooting I have filesystem damage proportional to how quick I was at hitting the reset button. If I wait too long I get corrupted file systems that have extensive damage. I've tried other settings for Chipset which I've found for other Trio64 cards on the Web by running "strings" on the server binary. Settings like "s3_trio64", "S3-Trio64", "S3-Trio64V+", "s3_trio64v+", "trio64", and "trio64v" have come back as "Unidentified chipset...". Some of my Web searches have shown folks being able to use the card but under Linux. Any help would be appreciated. I'd love to get X running on this system since it so screaming fast! -Freeman -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that | | whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting | | life. | | - John 3:16 (KJV) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | F r e e m a n P. P a s c a l I V | | | | Phone Work: (510) 645-3454 Email Work: pascal@tfs.com | | Home: (510) 215-5742 Home: pascal@pascal.org | | Pager: (800) SKY-PAGE Home page: http://www.pascal.org | | PIN: 419-2250 Amateur Radio: KE6LSS (General class) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 19:07:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24060 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24051 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:07 PST From: julian@TFS.COM (Julian Elischer) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD routing code Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Can someone tell me if the Stevens books have a good run-down on the BSD4.4 routing table code? I've gone cross-eyed on some of it today and am starting to wonder if there is a reference around.. failing that, if someone else has a good understanding of how it works a quick tutorial would be great.. I'm obviously missing something.. I hereby promise that if I do eventually "get it", I'm going to massively comment the associated code in -current. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 19:15:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24361 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:15:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw1.att.com (gw1.att.com [192.20.239.133]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24356 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA00388; Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:51:26 EST From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com Cc: gibbs@freebsd.org, hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA09007; Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:53:44 EST Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA22144; Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:53:51 EST Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA08429; Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:53:49 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 19:53:49 EST Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9603280053.AA08429@stargazer> Original-To: time.cdrom.com!jkh Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! Original-Cc: freebsd.org!gibbs, freefall.FreeBSD.org!hackers Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Might this be a DDS-2 tape (high density recording) trying to be read by >> a DDS-1 tape drive? > >That's a good point - I had forgotten that there were two varieties. > >My drive probes as: > >(ahc0:3:0): "ARCHIVE Python 28388-XXX 4.98" type 1 removable SCSI 2 >st0(ahc0:3:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty > >And the tape was written on an SGI Indigo 2, not that I have any idea >what kind of tapes those use. > >Any clues as to how to find this kind of information out? My DDS-1 drive (HP35480) probes with a "density code" of 0x13, so it *appears* as though you also have a DDS-1 drive. I have no idea about the SGI drive... Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 19:22:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA24805 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:22:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from paragon1.i-wave.net.hk (root@paragon1.i-wave.net.hk [206.112.130.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA24792 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.112.130.101] by paragon1.i-wave.net.hk via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id LAA25614; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:22:38 +0800 Message-Id: <199603280322.LAA25614@paragon1.i-wave.net.hk> To: "hackers@freebsd.org" Subject: Firewall in FreeBSD Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 11:22:38 -0500 From: Abel Law X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 CC: Abel Law Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -- [ From: Abel Law * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- Hello all, May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? Many thanks! Abel Law -- (:----^ ^------------------------------------------------:) (: Abel Law :) (: E-mail: abel@i-wave.net.hk :) (: Voice/Fax: +852 2574 7517 :) (: WWW: http://www.i-wave.net.hk :) (:--------------------------------------------------------:P From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 19:47:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA26233 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from jbrann (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA26227 Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA03591; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:59:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199603280259.VAA03591@jbrann> Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? To: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:58:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <1403.827887073@palmer.demon.co.uk> from Gary Palmer at "Mar 27, 96 00:37:53 am" From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Gary, Thanks for the reply... Gary Palmer wrote... > John Brann wrote in message ID > <199603262340.SAA02049@jbrann.dialup.access.net>: > [... stuff deleted...] > > Is the interrupt level extraordinary? > > I should say so. From my machine, which for a while was downloading a > large file at 3.1K sec with a 115200 baud DTE rate to a 28k8 > modem. I'm using a 16550 COM port: > > gary@palmer:~> vmstat -i [vmstat details deleted] > Total 2812314 366 The thing about vmstat is that it averages over the whole of uptime. I'm suffering big spikes. > > The modem is on sio1... My IRQ rate (total) is 366/sec on average. > > > If so, what can I do - is it a hardware problem? > > Possibly. Do you have a FIFO'd COM port (a 16550) or one of the older, > non-FIFO'd ports? Nope... dmesg says: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A > > I don't think (however) that this problem is tracable to the > IRQ's... Have you tried updating the kernel & ppp binaries? I run a custom kernel - nothing fancy, just trimmed down to my devices. ppp is as per 2.1.0 release, but I've been having exactly the same problem since last June. > > Gary > Regards, John (An English ex-pat in New York...) -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 20:16:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA27577 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA27365 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:10:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA14380; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:57:15 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603280427.OAA14380@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: STB PowerGraph 64 Video (Trio64V+) and XF86... To: pascal@pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:57:14 +1030 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3159FBF4.167EB0E7@pascal.org> from "Freeman P. Pascal IV" at Mar 27, 96 06:39:48 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Freeman P. Pascal IV stands accused of saying: > > I upgraded to a P100 PCI motherboard awhile back and with it a new > video card. I'm now using a "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" video card > and I'm having no end to trouble when trying to configure it with > XF96 (everything else seems to run just fine on this new motherboard). > > Has anyone else been able to get this card to work with XF86? Ok. Some info you haven't supplied, that is needed: - Which FreeBSD version are you running? - Which XFree version are you using? - Have you asked the XFree people yet? > -Freeman -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 20:39:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA28852 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from cocoa.ops.neosoft.com (root@cocoa.ops.neosoft.com [206.109.5.227]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28847 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by cocoa.ops.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id WAA00394; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:39:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@cocoa.ops.neosoft.com To: Abel Law cc: "hackers@freebsd.org" , Abel Law Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199603280322.LAA25614@paragon1.i-wave.net.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Check out NeoSeal, http://www.neosoft.com/neoseal On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Abel Law wrote: > -- [ From: Abel Law * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > Hello all, > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > > Many thanks! > > Abel Law > > -- > (:----^ ^------------------------------------------------:) > (: Abel Law :) > (: E-mail: abel@i-wave.net.hk :) > (: Voice/Fax: +852 2574 7517 :) > (: WWW: http://www.i-wave.net.hk :) > (:--------------------------------------------------------:P > Daniel Baker - Daniel@Cuckoo.COM "Uhhhhhhh, thank you, drive through please" From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 21:02:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA29828 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au [129.78.129.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA29823 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dawes@localhost) by rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) id QAA18111; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:00:44 +1100 From: David Dawes Message-Id: <199603280500.QAA18111@rf900.physics.usyd.edu.au> Subject: Re: STB PowerGraph 64 Video (Trio64V+) and XF86... To: pascal@pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:00:43 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3159FBF4.167EB0E7@pascal.org> from "Freeman P. Pascal IV" at Mar 27, 96 06:39:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I upgraded to a P100 PCI motherboard awhile back and with it a new >video card. I'm now using a "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" video card >and I'm having no end to trouble when trying to configure it with >XF96 (everything else seems to run just fine on this new motherboard). > >Has anyone else been able to get this card to work with XF86? > >Here's the Device section I'm using: > > Section "Device" > Identifier "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" > VendorName "STB" > Chipset "s3_generic" > EndSection > >The above settings at lease cause the XF86_S3 server to see the >card and identify it as having a Trio64V+ chipset when I run with >"-probeonly". But when I run the server the screen clears, the >drive light comes on, and my machine locks up solid. After >rebooting I have filesystem damage proportional to how quick I was >at hitting the reset button. If I wait too long I get corrupted >file systems that have extensive damage. > >I've tried other settings for Chipset which I've found for other >Trio64 cards on the Web by running "strings" on the server binary. >Settings like "s3_trio64", "S3-Trio64", "S3-Trio64V+", "s3_trio64v+", >"trio64", and "trio64v" have come back as "Unidentified chipset...". A chipset setting isn't necessary. Try the 3.1.2D beta version. There were problems with the Trio64V+ support in earlier versions. If that doesn't work any better, let me know. David From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 22:41:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA04003 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03997 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA17920; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:46:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. It might be worth pursuing/promoting for commercial apps for freebsd. If anybody wants the announcement I can send it to the list, or email it. In any case, it's in ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/office/X4u It sure looks nice (appearance wise). From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 22:58:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA04515 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com (tty05.com1.houston.net [198.65.148.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04509 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA08961; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:58:25 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199603280658.AAA08961@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD To: abel@i-wave.net.hk (Abel Law) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:58:23 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, abel@i-wave.net.hk In-Reply-To: <199603280322.LAA25614@paragon1.i-wave.net.hk> from "Abel Law" at Mar 28, 96 11:22:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Abel Law wrote: > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > Here are a couple of points: 1. FreeBSD comes with a built in packet level firewall system (ipfw). 2. This system can be a pain to configure. Ok, with that out of the way I can toot my own horn now. My company sells a package called KeepOut that sits on top of the FreeBSD IPFW (IP FireWall) system. Written in Perl, KeepOut allows you to write simple rules which it translates into IPFW commands. IPFW (with or without KeepOut) combined with something like TIS's firewall toolkit allows you to setup a fairly secure firewall system. Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | I speak only for myself and "maybe" my company gclarkii@GBData.COM | Member of the FreeBSD Doc Team Providing Internet and ISP startups mail info@GBData.COM for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.ORG/pub/FreeBSD/docs/freebsd-faq.ascii From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 23:01:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04619 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pascal.org (root@pascal.org [205.149.180.206]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA04614 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pascal.org (pascal@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.pascal.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06954; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:00:19 -0800 Message-ID: <315A38FF.2781E494@pascal.org> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:00:15 -0800 From: "Freeman P. Pascal IV" Organization: The Pascal Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Smith CC: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STB PowerGraph 64 Video (Trio64V+) and XF86... References: <199603280427.OAA14380@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oops... could have sworn I had included that info. I'm running Current (sup-ed last Friday) and the XFree is from the 2.1 CD (I'm sure there's something more current). I have tried pulling down and running the XF86_S3 server that was listed under the 2.1-RELEASE image on ftp.freebsd.org with no change. I'm not sure if it's the latest and greatest for FreeBSD. Could someone point me to the latest release of XFree for FreeBSD, the release under ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.1-RELEASE/XF312 seems to be a bit behind the times. No haven't talked to the XFree folks, I haven't been able to locate a pointer to them (I did try {ftp,www}.xfree.{com,org} without any luck). A search of Alta Vista on the Web failed to bring back any- thing significant. If someone can point me in the right direction I head that way. -Freeman Michael Smith wrote: > > Freeman P. Pascal IV stands accused of saying: > > > > I upgraded to a P100 PCI motherboard awhile back and with it a new > > video card. I'm now using a "STB PowerGraph 64 Video" video card > > and I'm having no end to trouble when trying to configure it with > > XF96 (everything else seems to run just fine on this new motherboard). > > > > Has anyone else been able to get this card to work with XF86? > > Ok. Some info you haven't supplied, that is needed: > > - Which FreeBSD version are you running? > - Which XFree version are you using? > - Have you asked the XFree people yet? > > > -Freeman -- +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that | | whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting | | life. | | - John 3:16 (KJV) | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | F r e e m a n P. P a s c a l I V | | | | Phone Work: (510) 645-3454 Email Work: pascal@tfs.com | | Home: (510) 215-5742 Home: pascal@pascal.org | | Pager: (800) SKY-PAGE Home page: http://www.pascal.org | | PIN: 419-2250 Amateur Radio: KE6LSS | +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 23:06:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04791 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04786 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA03779; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:06:01 -0800 (PST) To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 27 Mar 1996 22:46:07 PST." Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3777.827996761@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been > playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. Huh - the installation totally fell over and I was unable to get either to really work all that well. I sent them a long list of bugs and this also went into the void. I was so unimpressed with their degree of support for this that I nuked them back out of the commercial section of our web pages. I'll be happy to add them back if and when they ever start responding to email! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 23:21:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05413 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:21:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05405 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA18075; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:17:12 +1100 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 18:17:12 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603280717.SAA18075@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jerry@border.com, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >This means that in order to provide a FreeBSD fdisk program, you >must be able to determine the BIOS geometry of the underlying >drive. This is without regard for the underlying implementation >details of the fdisk program itself. >Generally, there are three approaches to solving this problem: 0) Ask the user. >1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is > 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice > code does, much to the consternation of those of us > who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. No, it doesn't do anything like that. Read the code. >2) Interpolate the geometry from an existing DOS partition > table, and the known rules of behaviour for the DOS fdisk > program. Specifically, starting and ending on cylinder > boundries, etc.. Since it is possible to have multiple This is sort of what the slice code does (only for the purposes of guessing the BIOS geometry for exporting to fdisk and for putting in the default label). It also uses the known rules of behaviour for the _FreeBSD_ fdisk program/installerperson combination. It should give more weight to the FreeBSD partition(s), but this wouldn't help much because few disks are supplied a FreeBSD partition already on them. > geometries result in the same values, especially when you > have a small number of partitions (for instance, one), > this is not a 100% reliable approach -- in general, it is > so *unreliable* that the slice code was invented to replace > it. A small part of the slice code was invented to _centralize_ this geometry guessing. It's very confusing to have disk controllers BIOSes, fdisks, installerpersons, install programs, slice code and drivers all guessing the geometry. > It's possible to "help" this approach be more accurate > using the 32 bit absolute sector address, which is also in > the partition table. The problem with that is that older > FDISK programs did not generally fill out the 32 bit sector > offset correctly, so determining this information is usually > no more reliable if the offset happens to check a valid > geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these > fields out correctly in any case). The slice code _relies_ on the absolute sector numbers. It could be smarter about guessing the geometry based on the number of sectors, but its not clear what it should do about inconsistencies. Many inconsistencies are already detected, but no correction is attempted, and the warnings are disabled by default (set the kernel variable dsi_debug to enable the warnings). >3) Ask the BIOS. There are several ways to do this: >... > Such "BIOS-begging" would probably require multiple I/O's > to the disk to assemble MD5 checkums (one method) to identify > specific sectors to establish BIOS-drive-number-to-protected- > mode-driver-device-id mappings. Otherwise, you wouldn't be > sure which drive was which, and even when you knew all the > BIOS drive geometries, you couldn't match them to non-BIOS > drives. FreeBSD knows all the BIOS geometries but not the mappings. >My personal opinion is that option 3c is not an option. The reason >I believe this is that I think that partitioning should occur in a >standard framework, and it will be impossible to fit all types of I agree. >Other types of partitioning, specifically, DOS Extended partitions, >BSD disklabels, Solaris disklabels, SVR4 slicing, OSF disklabels, >etc. etc., should all be manageable with a single tool, in my opinion. I disagree. You'll end up with support for 101 different OS's in one program. >To achieve this, I would suggest leveraging the devfs code. Specifically, devfs would only provide the scaffolding. >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the slice and partition layers. >2) There is no natural recognition of hierarchical ordering in > a flat name space, when in fact what is presented is a logical > on physical driver hierarchy. The n-m mapping of the graph is > too complex to deal with in a flat name space and still present > a uniform user interface. Specifically, if I have an arbitrary > device in a flat name space, am I allowed to add DOS partitioning > to it or not? My argument here is that without an easy way > to traverse the hierarchy of devices to find parents, there > is no easy answer to that question, short of iterating all > devices... I really want only one layer. Multiple layers are difficult both to implement and to use, and don't provide any significant benefits. >As for intermediate soloutions, the first problem is, as you've >identified, finding out the BIOS geometry for a given drive to >allow application of DOS disk partitioning and extended partitioning. Imagine having this problem at `L' layers for `N' operating systems :-(. The geometry information might be burried at layer L(O) for operating system O. For a practical example, consider accessing FreeBSD partitions under Linux vs accessing Linux partitions under FreeBSD. Linux would have to do a lot more work to access FreeBSD partitions because they are one layer deeper. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 23:25:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05646 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05641 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:25:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01I2UPCR203KCB93WM@Arizona.EDU>; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:25:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost by sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20995; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:24:13 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:24:13 -0700 From: Renaissance Man Subject: Re: FreeBSD routing code In-reply-to: "Your message of Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:07:00 PST." To: julian@TFS.COM (Julian Elischer) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Message-id: <9603280724.AA20995@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Previously: >Can someone tell me if the Stevens books have a good run-down on the BSD4.4 >routing table code? There seems to be a decent explanation of it in Rich's book. There is a discussion of the routing table structure starting on page 560. Looks like chapters 18 through 20 are about routing... I haven't spent much time dealing with that part of the book, but if it is like the rest of the book, I think it will be good... Rich's books are partly responsible for my switch from Linux to FreeBSD. :) -Doug Doug Wellington doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov System and Network Administrator US Geological Survey Tucson, AZ Project Office (602) 670-6821 x26 According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"... The hardest thing in the world is to truly think for oneself. It is amazing how many people have let angst replace their self confidence. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Mar 27 23:56:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA06894 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA06889 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01008; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:56:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:56:49 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Abel Law cc: "hackers@freebsd.org" , Abel Law Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199603280322.LAA25614@paragon1.i-wave.net.hk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Abel Law wrote: > -- [ From: Abel Law * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > Hello all, > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > IPFW is built in into FreeBSD - take a look into the FreeBSD handbook (it is also available on the FreeBSD web site at http://www.freebsd.org) > Many thanks! > > Abel Law > > -- > (:----^ ^------------------------------------------------:) > (: Abel Law :) > (: E-mail: abel@i-wave.net.hk :) > (: Voice/Fax: +852 2574 7517 :) > (: WWW: http://www.i-wave.net.hk :) > (:--------------------------------------------------------:P > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 00:09:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07517 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07509 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA01041; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:10:31 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:10:30 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Jaye Mathisen , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-Reply-To: <3777.827996761@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been > > playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. > > Huh - the installation totally fell over and I was unable to get > either to really work all that well. I sent them a long list of bugs > and this also went into the void. It worked for me - the only thing is that it installed the binary in the wrong place (/usr ?) so I had to manually create a link to it. > > I was so unimpressed with their degree of support for this that I > nuked them back out of the commercial section of our web pages. I'll > be happy to add them back if and when they ever start responding to > email! I got a mail back from them... It wasn't too bad (and not too good either). > > Jordan > Sander From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 00:11:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07650 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07633 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA04373 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:10:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199603280810.JAA04373@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 9:07:40 MET From: Greg Lehey Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-Reply-To: <2504.827920421@time.cdrom.com>; from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 27, 96 1:53 am X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> Might this be a DDS-2 tape (high density recording) trying to be read by >> a DDS-1 tape drive? > > That's a good point - I had forgotten that there were two varieties. > > My drive probes as: > > (ahc0:3:0): "ARCHIVE Python 28388-XXX 4.98" type 1 removable SCSI 2 > st0(ahc0:3:0): Sequential-Access density code 0x13, drive empty > > And the tape was written on an SGI Indigo 2, not that I have any idea > what kind of tapes those use. I'm pretty sure that this is a DDS-1 drive without compression. I've always had problems with SGI boxes because they didn't understand my compressed DDS-1 tapes. The machines I used were also Archive Pythons, but I can't remember the model number. > Any clues as to how to find this kind of information out? At a guess, if the tape driver complains about overlength errors, it can read the tape. The obvious way to find out, though, is to look at the cartridge: usually in the top right hand corner, there is a sequence of three or four symbols that after some examination can be considered to represent the letters "DDS", possibly followed by a "2". The other way is the length of the tape: 60 and 90 m are DDS, 120 m is DDS-2. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 00:21:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA08061 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:21:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08055 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:21:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA16180; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:10:26 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603280840.TAA16180@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: STB PowerGraph 64 Video (Trio64V+) and XF86... To: pascal@pascal.org (Freeman P. Pascal IV) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:10:26 +1030 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <315A38FF.2781E494@pascal.org> from "Freeman P. Pascal IV" at Mar 27, 96 11:00:15 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Freeman P. Pascal IV stands accused of saying: > > Oops... could have sworn I had included that info. Nup 8) > I'm running Current (sup-ed last Friday) and the XFree is from the > 2.1 CD (I'm sure there's something more current). I have tried > pulling down and running the XF86_S3 server that was listed under > the 2.1-RELEASE image on ftp.freebsd.org with no change. I'm not You should be reading -current then. This was discussed there a while back. You will need the 3.1.2D beta server (just the S3 server is required). > under ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.1-RELEASE/XF312 seems to > be a bit behind the times. That's the latest release; check the beta/ directory. > No haven't talked to the XFree folks, I haven't been able to locate > a pointer to them (I did try {ftp,www}.xfree.{com,org} without any questions@xfree86.org, http://www.xfree86.org. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 00:23:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA08184 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08174 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA16196; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:13:11 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603280843.TAA16196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:13:11 +1030 (CST) Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3777.827996761@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 27, 96 11:06:01 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard stands accused of saying: > > > I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been > > playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. > > Huh - the installation totally fell over and I was unable to get > either to really work all that well. I sent them a long list of bugs > and this also went into the void. Strange. Under -stable the install was painless and both run quite OK. I can't comment on bugs; they don't support 16bpp so they went back into the archive. The demo versions expire in three days anyway. > I was so unimpressed with their degree of support for this that I > nuked them back out of the commercial section of our web pages. I'll > be happy to add them back if and when they ever start responding to > email! For this you could mention that the Xess spreadsheet Linux version runs just fine under -stable's Linux emulation. It looks like a pretty nice spreadsheet (not being an expert on such things...) > Jordan > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 00:29:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA08596 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:29:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA08589 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA26572; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:34:22 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 00:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD performance vs BSD/OS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk W/o any real hard numbers, I noticed that when running the perl 5.002 testsuite that BSD/OS 2.0 on a P5-90 runs the tests more quickly than my P5-120 running -stable. BSD/OS 2.0.1 numbers for make test: All tests successful. u=0.65 s=1.03333 cu=11.8667 cs=12.6833 files=94 tests=2105 FreeBSD 2.1-stable numbers: All tests successful. u=1 s=1.8 cu=26.0667 cs=15.5 files=94 tests=2103 I do not know why the number of tests differ, unless it's related to dynamic loading turned on in FreeBSD and static in BSD/OS. outside of the dynamic vs static settings, everything else was defaulted. Of course, there are compiler differences and such Not really anything to get excited about, just a datapoint. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 01:04:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09895 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09838 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id OAA22516 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:05:53 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199603280905.OAA22516@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: XFree86 & CL5440 To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:05:53 +0500 (GMT+0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I wonder if XFree86 supports CL5440 video card in native mode or as other CL54xx card ? Thank you ! -SB From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 01:11:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10325 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:11:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA10319 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA21088; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:12:09 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:12:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been > playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. > It might be worth pursuing/promoting for commercial apps for freebsd. > If anybody wants the announcement I can send it to the list, or email it. > In any case, it's in > ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/office/X4u > It sure looks nice (appearance wise). Try running it in 16bpp | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 01:15:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA10588 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA10583 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA19332; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:15:50 -1000 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id XAA03589; Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:15:41 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199603280915.XAA03589@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:15:41 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <3777.827996761@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 27, 96 11:06:01 pm From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard > > >> I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been >> playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. > >Huh - the installation totally fell over and I was unable to get >either to really work all that well. I sent them a long list of bugs >and this also went into the void. > >I was so unimpressed with their degree of support for this that I >nuked them back out of the commercial section of our web pages. I'll >be happy to add them back if and when they ever start responding to >email! Interesting, they responded to me when I emailed them that their software was broken since it wouldnt run in 16bpp :) Other than looking at the software once I really didnt play too much with them. I could not figure out the publishing program for the life of me. Still want a WP for well under $300. _David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 01:27:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA11410 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:27:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntserv.webleicester.co.uk ([206.249.75.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11400 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [206.249.75.17] by ntserv.webleicester.co.uk (NTMail 3.01.00) id ra001499; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:27:16 +0000 Received: from LANSYS/SpoolDir by lansys.webleicester.co.uk (Mercury 1.21); 28 Mar 96 09:27:56 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by LANSYS (Mercury 1.21); 28 Mar 96 09:27:42 +0000 From: "Phil Taylor" Organization: Lan Systems To: "hackers@freebsd.org" , Abel Law Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:27:38 GMT Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD Reply-to: phil@lansys.webleicester.co.uk CC: Abel Law Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <233B972579@lansys.webleicester.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To: "hackers@freebsd.org" > Subject: Firewall in FreeBSD > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 11:22:38 -0500 > From: Abel Law > Cc: Abel Law > -- [ From: Abel Law * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > > Hello all, > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > > Many thanks! > > Abel Law > Look at ipfw(8) It allows full IP filtering (and is built into FBSD) Cheers Phil /* Phil Taylor (phil@zipmail.co.uk) LAN Systems - LAN/WAN Specialists */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 01:40:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12531 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:40:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12504 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 01:40:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603280940.BAA12504@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA094016077; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:41:17 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD To: gclarkii@main.gbdata.com (Gary Clark II) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:41:17 +1100 (EDT) Cc: abel@i-wave.net.hk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603280658.AAA08961@main.gbdata.com> from "Gary Clark II" at Mar 28, 96 00:58:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Gary Clark II, sie said: > > Hello, > > > Abel Law wrote: > > > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > > > Here are a couple of points: > > 1. FreeBSD comes with a built in packet level firewall system (ipfw). > 2. This system can be a pain to configure. > > Ok, with that out of the way I can toot my own horn now. > My company sells a package called KeepOut that sits on top of the FreeBSD > IPFW (IP FireWall) system. Written in Perl, KeepOut allows you to write > simple rules which it translates into IPFW commands. IPFW (with or without > KeepOut) combined with something like TIS's firewall toolkit allows you > to setup a fairly secure firewall system. To checkout an alternative to the above: http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/flc.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:02:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA13972 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:02:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (mail.sni.de [192.109.2.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13947 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nerv@localhost) by nixpbe.pdb.sni.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13243 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:02:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199603281002.LAA13243@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> Subject: ddb: What structures interest you? To: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 10:59:05 MET From: Greg Lehey X-Mailer: xmail 2.4 (based on ELM 2.2 PL16) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm continuing my thoughts about improving ddb and considering how to display kernel data structures. Some kernel debuggers supply a command to display a number of predefined structures, given only a pointer. The obvious disadvantages of this method are: - You're limited to the types that the debugger knows about. - There's not guarantee that the object that the pointer points to is really of the type you claim. On the other hand, it has the advantage of being able to be relatively comprehensive for the structures that the debugger knows. An alternative, used by adb, for example, is to use a macro. This has the advantage of being open-ended, but requires more work (OK, we can supply a macro library). Potentially, it also supplies the possibility of checking the pointer, though I don't know how much sense this makes in practice. It also has the disadvantage that you need to load the macros in advance, by some yet-to-be-defined mechanism (lowbug uses a system call). Of course, there's no reason why we shouldn't combine both of these mechanisms. Questions to you out there: - What structures would you like to be able to display? Don't hold anything back, this should be as comprehensive a list as possible. - What do you think about the relative merits of the two methods? - Can you think of a better method? Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:53:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16325 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:53:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16278 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:52:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28729 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:50:56 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14498 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:50:56 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA24042 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:33:37 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280933.KAA24042@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:33:37 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Mar 27, 96 04:21:16 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > BTW, has the manpage for bootparamd and bootparams made it to > current/stable yet? I cannot find a man page for bootparams(5), but bootparamd(8) is in -current, and does also have RELENG_2_* tags (even 2.0.5R). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:53:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16335 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16295 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:53:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28761 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:51:39 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14518 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:38 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA24152 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:41:41 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280941.KAA24152@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:41:41 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603272331.RAA19693@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Mar 27, 96 05:31:33 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > Yeah, I'm sending him a 386sx/16 with 3MB RAM and a 40MB hard disk. :-) 2 MB, 2 MB! (I've once got it almost running in 2 MB, but this was prior to David's fix of the ``mb_map full'' problem. Perhaps i should try again.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:53:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16366 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16276 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28780 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:52:00 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14522 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA23611 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:42:01 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280842.JAA23611@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:42:00 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <330.827931003@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 27, 96 04:50:03 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I think you gotta bump this one to 256 K, and recompile your world. > > Just for grins, I tried this. ``panic: double fault'' right upon > invoking init.. :-) See Justin's and David's discussion. That's the actual problem. Your best bet by now is to get your SGI tape again with a smaller blocksize (or to get it at a QIC-150 medium :). Note that at least the QIC-150 tapes from SGI are byte-swapped. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:54:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16427 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:54:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16287 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:53:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28825 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:52:29 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14532 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:52:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA24189 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:46:06 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280946.KAA24189@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: libc 3.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:46:06 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603272257.OAA29233@newport.ece.uci.edu> from "Steven Wallace" at Mar 27, 96 02:57:59 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Steven Wallace wrote: > Sorry I missed this change, but why was it absolutely necessary to bump > the major version of libc? What interface(s) changed? NETISO and NETNS have been killed. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:54:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16453 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16423 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:54:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28765; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:51:40 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14519; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:39 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA23576; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:39:06 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280839.JAA23576@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:39:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: jerry@border.com Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603271949.MAA01736@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 27, 96 12:49:37 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > All of it is for FreeBSD. When I do a 'fdisk wd0' > > it only reports 24MB.. Now then, can I assume the 24MB amount is due to > > the 1024 cylinder limit? Nope. This is due to a faked fdisk entry. The embedded fdisk table in the boot1 structure (see /sys/boot/biosboot/) faked a 50000 blocks BSD fdisk entry. Until very recently, ``disklabel -B'' was always clobbering the existing fdisk table when installing a new bootstrap. This left you with a dummy fdisk table (though the slice code knew about this one, and assumed a full BSD slice). If you didn't use a ``dangerously dedicated'' BSD slice, you might not have noticed this, since the BSD disklabel wasn't at offset 0 in the disk. Only for ``dangerously dedicated'', the BSD label is the MBR itself, hence the embedded fdisk table in the BSD label is of any interest. > 1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is > 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice > code does, much to the consternation of those of us > who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. This is not right. The FreeBSD kernel gets the BIOS geometry (for the first N BIOS drives) passed from the bootstrap. This might or might not be a `translated' one (though it's normally translated for all modern disks). The WD1007V *can* translate. It has a few hardware translation options. They were commonly used to remap drives with more than 1024 physical cylinders into the BIOS accessible range. (The geometry of ESDI drives usually could be expressed by a ``real'' CHS value, i.e. they didn't do any fancy Zone Bit Recording or other stuff all modern drives do.) The consternation does only result out of the usage of ``spare sectors'' at controller level on the WD1007V. Don't use them, and you should be going. (You can always use bad144 sector sparing, and if your drive exceeds 1024 cylinders from a BIOS point of view, you could handle this by using two BSD slices, where the first one is below 1024 and contains at least the root f/s.) > 2) Interpolate the geometry from an existing DOS partition > table, and the known rules of behaviour for the DOS fdisk > program. Specifically, starting and ending on cylinder > boundries, etc.. Since it is possible to have multiple That's what libdisk does. While this is a good idea for drives that do already have a DOS partition, it can cause some serious troubles for uninitialized disks (or disks with non-fdisk-table previous operating systems). This is what caused the ``You'd best install a DOS partition first'' attitude for FreeBSD 2.0.5. (And since this attitude deemed to be unacceptable for people who didn't wanna care about any DOS partition at all, since all they want is FreeBSD, this caused me to invent the ``dangerously dedicated'' mode of installation.) > geometries result in the same values, especially when you > have a small number of partitions (for instance, one), > this is not a 100% reliable approach -- in general, it is > so *unreliable* that the slice code was invented to replace > it. It's possible to "help" this approach be more accurate The slice code was invented to cover multiple fdisk slices at all, e.g. to handle more than one slice with a 0xa5 signature (though you can still only boot from the first one), or to handle ``DOS extended partitions''. > using the 32 bit absolute sector address, which is also in > the partition table. The problem with that is that older > FDISK programs did not generally fill out the 32 bit sector > offset correctly, so determining this information is usually > no more reliable if the offset happens to check a valid > geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these > fields out correctly in any case). fdisk did always fill out these parameters correctly (or at least, it told you about its idea before writing them to the disk, so you've been able to manually intervent if the idea was wrong). Only a ``disklabel -B'' installed a bogus fdisk table, see above. > 3) Ask the BIOS. There are several ways to do this: > b) Implement a multi-stage boot as opposed to a two > stage boot, ... Funny, our two-stage boot does already ask the BIOS, and pass these values to the kernel. UTST. (Use the source, Terry. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 02:58:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA16780 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16773 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA17175 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 02:57:40 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id MAA28744 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:51:08 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA14510 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:07 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA23594 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:39:43 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603280839.JAA23594@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:39:43 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9603271433.AA09971@cabri.obs-besancon.fr> from "Jean-Marc Zucconi" at Mar 27, 96 03:33:45 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jean-Marc Zucconi wrote: > >> Does ``mt blocksize 0'' and ``dd if=/dev/rst0 ibs=256k ...'' work? > > I think you must use ``mt -f /dev/nrst0 blocksize 0'' > ^ That's the default. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 03:21:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA18322 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA18309 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:20:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA29976 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:20:51 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA14695 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:20:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id MAA24853 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:16:57 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603281116.MAA24853@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: ddb: What structures interest you? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:16:57 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603281002.LAA13243@nixpbe.pdb.sni.de> from "Greg Lehey" at Mar 28, 96 10:59:05 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Greg Lehey wrote: (struct support in DDB) > An alternative, used by adb, for example, is to use a macro. I would go with this one. > Questions to you out there: > > - What structures would you like to be able to display? Don't hold > anything back, this should be as comprehensive a list as possible. struct proc struct tty -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 03:21:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA18337 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA18307 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 03:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id NAA29967 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:20:48 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA14691 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:20:47 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id MAA24785 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:11:32 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603281111.MAA24785@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:11:31 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Mar 28, 96 10:10:30 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Narvi wrote: > > Huh - the installation totally fell over and I was unable to get > > either to really work all that well. I sent them a long list of bugs > > and this also went into the void. > > It worked for me - the only thing is that it installed the binary in the > wrong place (/usr ?) so I had to manually create a link to it. It does even ask for the place to install to (i think the default is /usr/X4u, i agreed to use it, and surprise!, the script wrappers to start the application did really guess about the installation instead of relying on hard-coded paths). My impression was waaaaaaaaaay better than of the Lasermoon Motif crap^H^H^H^Hpackage. Well, X4u doesn't support 16 bit depth yet... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 04:57:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA23174 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA23169 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 04:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA28814; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:53:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:53:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Joerg Wunsch cc: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) In-Reply-To: <199603280933.KAA24042@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, J Wunsch wrote: > I cannot find a man page for bootparams(5), but bootparamd(8) is in > -current, and does also have RELENG_2_* tags (even 2.0.5R). bootparams(5) you may snarf from the NetBSD people, thats where the bootparamd we are using came from, or so I am told. Have a good one. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 06:05:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29311 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:05:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29306 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id IAA20338; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:04:51 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603281404.IAA20338@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:04:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603280941.KAA24152@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 28, 96 10:41:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Joe Greco wrote: > > > Yeah, I'm sending him a 386sx/16 with 3MB RAM and a 40MB hard disk. :-) > > 2 MB, 2 MB! > > (I've once got it almost running in 2 MB, but this was prior to > David's fix of the ``mb_map full'' problem. Perhaps i should try > again.) I had it "running" (and I use the term loosely) in 2MB once. I didn't get too far past init and a single user shell... but this was a while back. Actually, I may temporarily have access to a 2MB 386DX/40... (someone's old DOS box)... hm ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 06:08:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29574 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:08:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cicerone.uunet.ca (cicerone.uunet.ca [142.77.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA29569 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghoul.uunet.ca ([142.77.1.19]) by cicerone.uunet.ca with SMTP id <166461-6>; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:08:35 -0500 Message-ID: <315A9AA2.41C67EA6@whine.com> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:56:50 -0500 From: Andrew Herdman Organization: Whine Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Getting the quickcam to work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just got myself a quick cam yesterday, downloaded xfqam 1.02 and 1.03 and 1.04, I had luck, once with 1.02, after that I get the same message with all the versions "Can't find a camera". The camera is plugged in, and works fine with the windows 95 software. I've tried setting the parallel port to all it's different modes (standard, bi-dir, EPP and ECP) with no change. I'm probably missing something small here. Oh yes i'm running on 2.1-RELEASE. Thanks Andrew From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 06:18:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA00133 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA00128 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:18:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA04821; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:17:43 -0800 (PST) To: Michael Smith cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:13:11 +1030." <199603280843.TAA16196@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:17:43 -0800 Message-ID: <4819.828022663@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Strange. Under -stable the install was painless and both run quite > OK. I can't comment on bugs; they don't support 16bpp so they went > back into the archive. The demo versions expire in three days anyway. Hmmm. I followed each step explicitly, but this was under -current and not -stable, so I wonder if that had something to do with it. Various things feel over left and right, and when I installed everything carefully by hand (after reading their installation script to see what it would have done), I got apps that ran but complained mightily about missing fonts and such (which were installed, and I set their little environment variables up to point to them as per instructions). I then composed a detailed log of my experiences, send them to the bug reporting address and never got anything back. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 06:53:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA03294 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA03267 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 06:53:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from egg.lmc.ericsson.se (egg.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.32.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id PAA29660; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:51:38 +0100 Received: from chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (chicago.lmc.ericsson.se) by egg.lmc.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2) id AA06149; Thu, 28 Mar 96 09:51:34 EST Received: by chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00424; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:50:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: Samy Touati X-Sender: lmcsato@chicago To: Brian Litzinger Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <199603270055.QAA09258@MediaCity.Com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I received a new bitsurfr yesterday, and after upgrading it with rev E I give it a try by connecting to my service provider. And exactly the same thing happened: the modem resets itself after transferring 700k by ftp in mlppp modem. After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, especially after I gave it a try with win 95 and the modem didn't resets itself. I'm going to try another brand of external TA, does anybody have a suggestion, of a TA that is working with freebsd and mlppp? Thanks. Samy On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Brian Litzinger wrote: > Samy Touati wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm using the Bitsurfr Pro with freebsd. Everything is fine except that > > in MLPPP mode, and when I receive files via ftp the bitsurfr resets itself. > > This only happens in the mlppp mode at 128k, it doesn't happen when using > > ppp on 64k. > > Could this be a limitation/problem from the ppp implementation on fbsd? > > It's not. > > > I disabled/enabled the tcp_extensions with no success. > > I have a 16550 UART, I checked the configuration of the bitsurfr and > > everything is ok. I'm having this problem while connecting to a > > livingstone terminal adpater. > > > > Has anyone experienced such a problem? > > yes. lots of us. > > > Or is my bitsurfr broken? > > yes it is. Even if its running 1E firmware. > > > Thansk for any help. > -- > Brian Litzinger Powered by FreeBSD > http[s]://www.mpress.com > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 07:45:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA08977 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:45:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA08955 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02648; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:46:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:46:16 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Flex Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The problem (so to say) is simple - why does FreeBSD still use an old version of flex? At least with -stable there goes the flex-2.4.7. Is there any intrest in replacing the old one with flex-2.5.2? It seems to be the last version and compile quite out of box. Sander Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 07:56:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA10476 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:56:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com (emout06.mail.aol.com [198.81.10.43]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10470 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 07:56:34 -0800 (PST) From: Itsycorp@aol.com Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16127 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:56:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:56:03 -0500 Message-ID: <960328105602_500189116@emout06.mail.aol.com> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: dropping a Free BSD machine on a Novell 3.1.1. network Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know how to add a UNIX machine (Free BSD) to a Novell 3.1.1 network at minimal cost? The network hardware include Thin Ethernet. The machine needs to be able to communicate with these DOS/Windows based PCs (i.e. mail, etc.). Thanks, Chris From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 08:27:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA13958 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:27:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA13944 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00852; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:26:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:26:44 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199603281626.LAA00852@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <4jedca$172d@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >> Strange. Under -stable the install was painless and both run quite >> OK. I can't comment on bugs; they don't support 16bpp so they went >> back into the archive. The demo versions expire in three days anyway. >Hmmm. I followed each step explicitly, but this was under -current >and not -stable, so I wonder if that had something to do with it. >Various things feel over left and right, and when I installed >everything carefully by hand (after reading their installation script >to see what it would have done), I got apps that ran but complained >mightily about missing fonts and such (which were installed, and I set >their little environment variables up to point to them as per >instructions). I then composed a detailed log of my experiences, >send them to the bug reporting address and never got anything back. Strange, it must be you Jordan. I ran the install script and told it to write in /usr/local/X4u, which it did peachy keen. Everything went smoothly, and it works great for me (at 8bpp). A coworker of mine is also using it just fine... -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 08:54:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18242 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18214 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:54:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA01790; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:50:33 -0700 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:50:33 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199603281650.JAA01790@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: John Brann Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer), questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? In-Reply-To: <199603280259.VAA03591@jbrann> References: <1403.827887073@palmer.demon.co.uk> <199603280259.VAA03591@jbrann> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Is the interrupt level extraordinary? > > > > I should say so. From my machine, which for a while was downloading a > > large file at 3.1K sec with a 115200 baud DTE rate to a 28k8 > > modem. I'm using a 16550 COM port: > > > > gary@palmer:~> vmstat -i > [vmstat details deleted] > > Total 2812314 366 > > The thing about vmstat is that it averages over the whole of uptime. I'm > suffering big spikes. The easiest way to check the instantaneous interrupt rate is 'systat -vmstat'. If anyone knows a different way let me know. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 11:51:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28691 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28682 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA16281 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:50:56 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA19512 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:50:55 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id UAA25777 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:35:36 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603281935.UAA25777@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Interesting IDE perf results To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:35:35 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603281404.IAA20338@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Mar 28, 96 08:04:50 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Joe Greco wrote: > > 2 MB, 2 MB! > I had it "running" (and I use the term loosely) in 2MB once. I didn't get > too far past init and a single user shell... but this was a while back. Me too. As soon as i've been starting something more than a single- user shell, i've got an ``mb_map full'' (if i remember right) panic. I remember a commit message from David passing by that lead me to the conclusion that this problem might have been fixed now. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 11:51:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28764 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28757 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA16300 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:51:03 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id UAA19518 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:51:02 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id UAA25790 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:37:22 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603281937.UAA25790@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:37:22 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <4819.828022663@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 28, 96 06:17:43 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Various things feel over left and right, and when I installed > everything carefully by hand (after reading their installation script > to see what it would have done), I got apps that ran but complained > mightily about missing fonts and such (which were installed, and I set > their little environment variables up to point to them as per > instructions). Hmm, their wrapper scripts seem to do a good job for me. They adjusted the XAPPLRESDIR properly, etc. Btw., i've got a mail from them today saying that the next beta is available, and that it will run in 16 bpp! -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 11:51:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28805 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (eldorado.net-tel.co.uk [193.122.171.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28788 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:51:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Received: (from root@localhost) by eldorado.net-tel.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA18600; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:50:39 GMT X400-Received: by mta "eldorado" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Thu, 28 Mar 96 19:46:24 +0000 X400-Received: by mta "net-tel cambridge" in "/PRMD=net-tel/ADMD=gold 400/C=gb/"; Relayed; Thu, 28 Mar 96 19:46:22 +0000 X400-Received: by "/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"; Relayed; Thu, 28 Mar 96 19:46:22 +0000 X400-MTS-Identifier: ["/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/";hst:24678-960328194622-5EC8] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Originator: Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 19:46:22 +0000 Content-Identifier: Re: dropping a F Message-Id: <"2656-960328194805-BA8A*/G=Andrew/S=Gordon/O=Net-Tel Computer Systems Ltd/PRMD=Net-Tel/ADMD=Gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS> To: Itsycorp@aol.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <"SunOS:18356-960328175541-7628*/DD.RFC-822=owner-hackers(a)FreeBSD.org/O=internet/PRMD=NET-TEL/ADMD=GOLD 400/C=GB/"@MHS> Subject: Re: dropping a Free BSD machine on a Novell 3.1.1. network Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know how to add a UNIX machine (Free BSD) to a Novell 3.1.1 > network > at minimal cost? The network hardware include Thin Ethernet. The machine > needs > to be able to communicate with these DOS/Windows based PCs (i.e. mail, > etc.). If you want an easy life, ignore the Novell 3.1.1 aspect of this. The various Netware<->Unix solutions from Novell all appear to have problems, even when the Unix in question is Unixware. I have customers who insist on doing this, and complain when running our software on SCO Unix (data files NFS-mounted from a Netware server) causes the Netware box to crash. And for a different customer we have had to insert code that writes to files, closes the file, and then checks that the file is the same length as it was when we closed it - random chunks typically going missing in the middle of a chain of sequential writes - this with Netware server and Unixware client (using Netware protocols rather than NFS in this case). Moving from unrecomended solutions to ones that work, the easiest solution would be if you run (or can run) WfWG 3.11 or Win 95 on the PCs - using that with Microsoft TCP/IP (included in '95, available from ftp.microsoft.com for 3.11) and Samba at the FreeBSD end will give you good file sharing if you need it, and you can also run Winsock applications such as POP3/IMAP mail clients. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:01:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29350 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29345 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26071; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:00:20 -0800 (PST) To: Samy Touati cc: Brian Litzinger , questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 09:50:51 EST." Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:00:20 -0800 Message-ID: <26069.828043220@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, I wouldn't, at least not yet - try another brand; who's to say that Moto *fixed* the problem? > I'm going to try another brand of external TA, does anybody have a > suggestion, of a TA that is working with freebsd and mlppp? ADTRAN! http://www.adtran.com Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:08:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29767 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA29762 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26122; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:08:18 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Henrich cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 11:26:44 EST." <199603281626.LAA00852@crh.cl.msu.edu> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:08:18 -0800 Message-ID: <26120.828043698@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Strange, it must be you Jordan. I ran the install script and told it to writ e > in /usr/local/X4u, which it did peachy keen. Everything went smoothly, and i t > works great for me (at 8bpp). A coworker of mine is also using it just fine. Again - was this with -stable or -current? I was trying it with -current. I also asked it to install into the /usr/X11R6 hierarchy - I wonder if this was a boundry case it couldn't handle. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:12:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29952 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29946 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:12:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ae08128; 28 Mar 96 20:12 GMT Received: from tedros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.62.73]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa26676; 28 Mar 96 19:30 GMT Message-ID: <2BB60A7C.77DD@demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:28:44 +0000 From: tedros X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Development team X-URL: http://hackers@freebsd.org/support.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am a c\c++ programmer, developing cross platform packages, i am currently working on development of search engines for the openvms/win-NT/X86 platforms, as well as cryptography and compression... I would like to join the freebsd development team ... could I have more information please, from anyone . ted....... From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:23:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA00538 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:23:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00533 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA02574; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:23:06 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199603282023.PAA02574@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 15:23:05 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <26120.828043698@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 28, 96 12:08:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Again - was this with -stable or -current? I was trying it with -current. 2.1R -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:40:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02108 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02099 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:39:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA26452; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:39:40 -0800 (PST) To: tedros cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Development team In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:28:44 GMT." <2BB60A7C.77DD@demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:39:40 -0800 Message-ID: <26450.828045580@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am a c\c++ programmer, developing cross platform packages, i am > currently working on development of search engines for the > openvms/win-NT/X86 platforms, as well as cryptography and compression... > I would like to join the freebsd development team ... could I have more > information please, from anyone . What would you like to know? We have a general document on contributing things to the project which you'll probably want to read first - it's at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/submitters.html Other than that, it's more a matter of you telling us what it is you'd like to do for the project! We don't "assign" people tasks, they generally pick something from the list of things they're personally interested in, which works well (people are more motivated to do things they like! :-). Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 12:50:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA02899 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA02893 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 12:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA17682 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:50:27 +0200 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA20215 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:50:26 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id VAA26800 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:39:31 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603282039.VAA26800@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Diskless Sun 3/80 (Xkernel) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:39:31 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Matthew N. Dodd" at Mar 28, 96 06:53:14 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > bootparams(5) you may snarf from the NetBSD people, thats where the > bootparamd we are using came from, or so I am told. Ok. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 13:12:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA06092 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:12:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06071 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.7]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA23562 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:11:59 -0800 Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.6.12+2.4W/3.4Wbeta3) id GAA10950; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 06:06:49 +0900 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 06:06:49 +0900 Message-Id: <199603282106.GAA10950@frig.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: pccard-test-960328 is now available! From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (Sorry! I made a typo in "To:" field of last mail....) Newest PC-card (PCMCIA) package 960328 for FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE and 2.2-960323-SNAP ftp://bash.cc.keio.ac.jp/pub/os/FreeBSD/alpha-test/pccard/pccard-test-960328.tar.gz (about 280kb) New Features: 1. Megahertz X-Jack Ethernet and Megahertz PCMCIA Ethernet Driver. 2. Contec C-NET(PC) Ethernet patch. 3. Regular expresson in /etc/pccard.conf 4. More useful /etc stuffs Enjoy! -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 13:16:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA06622 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (root@linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA06609 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 13:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from uni4nn.iaf.nl (root@uni4nn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.33]) by linux4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA04650; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:16:20 +0100 Received: by uni4nn.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA14451 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:15:49 +0100 Received: by iafnl.es.iaf.nl with UUCP id AA02958 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:31:23 +0100 Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.6.12/8.6.6) id TAA00846; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:35:52 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199603281835.TAA00846@yedi.iaf.nl> X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands Subject: Re: Firewall in FreeBSD To: avalon@coombs.anu.edu.au (Darren Reed) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:35:51 +0100 (MET) Cc: gclarkii@main.gbdata.com, abel@i-wave.net.hk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603280940.BAA12504@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Darren Reed" at Mar 28, 96 08:41:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In some mail from Gary Clark II, sie said: > > Hello, > > Abel Law wrote: > > > > > > May I know if there is any Firewall products for FreeBSD? > > > > > Here are a couple of points: > > > > 1. FreeBSD comes with a built in packet level firewall system (ipfw). > > 2. This system can be a pain to configure. > > > > Ok, with that out of the way I can toot my own horn now. > > My company sells a package called KeepOut that sits on top of the FreeBSD > > IPFW (IP FireWall) system. Written in Perl, KeepOut allows you to write > > simple rules which it translates into IPFW commands. IPFW (with or without > > KeepOut) combined with something like TIS's firewall toolkit allows you > > to setup a fairly secure firewall system. > > To checkout an alternative to the above: > > http://coombs.anu.edu.au/~avalon/flc.html I am using the TIS Firewall tool kit (FWTK) with good results on a FreeBSD 2.0.5 box that serves as a proxyserver/PPP gateway to the Internet. I think it is at ftp://ftp.tis.com or somesuch Wilko _ __________________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Wilko Bulte email: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem - The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 14:28:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12561 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:28:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA12396 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:27:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17892; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:16:40 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603282246.JAA17892@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se (Samy Touati) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:16:40 +1030 (CST) Cc: brian@MediaCity.Com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Samy Touati" at Mar 28, 96 09:50:51 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Samy Touati stands accused of saying: > > I received a new bitsurfr yesterday, and after upgrading it with rev E I > give it a try by connecting to my service provider. > And exactly the same thing happened: the modem resets itself after > transferring 700k by ftp in mlppp modem. > After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, > especially after I gave it a try with win 95 and the modem didn't resets > itself. The only possible way that FreeBSD could be the 'problem' here is if it is talking too fast to the Bitsurfr. Regardless, the BS (what an appropriate term 8) shouldn't reboot. > Samy -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 14:34:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA13229 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13223 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA17984 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:24:22 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603282254.JAA17984@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Xquad/Xcl, 16bpp etc. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:24:22 +1030 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Speaking of hearing from X4u; I suspect they just have a hoooooge mail backlog. I mailed them immediately I tried their stuff, and just today got this back. It's promising 8) X4U Support stands accused of saying: > > Howdy! Just heard about your products, and sucked them down to our > > cluster of FreeBSD workstations to have a look. > > Good idea. > > > FATAL ERROR - Screen depth: 16 not managed > > Oups. Sorry. > > > ... this is a bit disappointing 8( > > Just a little bit ;-) > We should have mention this in the README file. > > > Any plans to support 16-bit visuals in the near future? > > 16 bpp is now supported in the New release. > > -- > X4U Technical Support. > Robin Castanier > -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 14:49:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14892 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:49:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14868 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id OAA51745; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:49:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:49:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Walton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Samy Touati , Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <26069.828043220@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, [* especially after I gave it a try with win 95 and the modem didn't resets [* itself. > I wouldn't, at least not yet - try another brand; who's to say that Moto > *fixed* the problem? I don't mean to be a pain here, but I really don't understand the insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's entirely FreeBSD's problem, since other TA's work correctly. I'm just surprised at the attitude that it's all Motorola's fault. Win95 demonstrates that it IS possible for the hardware to work correctly. > > I'm going to try another brand of external TA, does anybody have a > > suggestion, of a TA that is working with freebsd and mlppp? > > ADTRAN! http://www.adtran.com Just checked it out. Interesting stuff. Any idea of the street price of the ISU Express? Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 16:26:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA21083 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA21063 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 16:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from aloft.UUCP by ig1.att.att.com id AA27793; Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:25:02 EST From: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lehey.pad@sni.de Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Received: from aloft (aloft.cnet.att.com) by aluxpo (4.1/DCS-aluxpo-M4.3) id AA24221; Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:21:50 EST Received: from stargazer (stargazer.cnet.att.com) by aloft (4.1/DCS-aloft-M5.1) id AA17244; Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:21:53 EST Received: by stargazer (4.1/DCS-aloft_client-S2.1) id AA16527; Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:21:49 EST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 14:21:49 EST Original-From: aluxpo!aloft!gtc (gary.corcoran) Message-Id: <9603281921.AA16527@stargazer> Original-To: time.cdrom.com!jkh, sni.de!lehey.pad Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! Original-Cc: freebsd.org!hackers Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Concerning DAT tapes and drives: >usually in the top right hand corner, there is a >sequence of three or four symbols that after some examination can be >considered to represent the letters "DDS", possibly followed by a >"2". The other way is the length of the tape: 60 and 90 m are DDS, >120 m is DDS-2. I was under the impression that a DDS-2 drive actually writes at a _higher density_ on *any* DAT than a DDS-1 drive. For example, if the ads I see are correct, DDS-2 drives can put 4GB on a single tape without compression. What they don't say, of course, is that 4GB is on a 120m length tape. But, doesn't that imply that you can get 3GB on a 90m tape? Whereas a DDS-1 drive can only put 2GB on a 90m tape (without compression). Please tell me this is true... ;-} - I'm just about to order a DAT backup drive, and was planning on getting a DDS-2 drive (HP C1533) so that I could fit more data on my 90m backup tapes (the 120m tapes are too expensive). Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 17:03:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA23347 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA23329 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00738; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:03:26 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199603290103.UAA00738@crh.cl.msu.edu> Subject: Epson ES-300C Scanner code? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:03:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone out there have a driver/program for the epson ES-300C Scanner? -Crh Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@msu.edu http://pilot.msu.edu/~henrich From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 17:35:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA25944 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25910 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:34:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA19252; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:23:24 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603290153.MAA19252@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: dwalton@psiint.com (Dave Walton) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:23:24 +1030 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, brian@MediaCity.Com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Dave Walton" at Mar 28, 96 02:49:24 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Walton stands accused of saying: > > I don't mean to be a pain here, but I really don't understand the > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of No matter what the input, the BS shouldn't crash and reboot. Period. This is why it's a hardware problem. > his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same > hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's So the hardware works 'properly' if it works under W95? That's just the sort of pathetic mentality that makes 90% of the PC hardware on the market just so much rubbish. Does anyone smell "all the world's a Vax" here? > David Walton Unix Programmer -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 17:39:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA26587 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:39:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26496 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 17:39:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA19305; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:28:08 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199603290158.MAA19305@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Can't read this stupid DAT tape - ARGH! To: gtc@aloft.att.com (gary.corcoran) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:28:07 +1030 (CST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lehey.pad@sni.de, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9603281921.AA16527@stargazer> from "gary.corcoran" at Mar 28, 96 02:21:49 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk gary.corcoran stands accused of saying: > > I was under the impression that a DDS-2 drive actually writes at a > _higher density_ on *any* DAT than a DDS-1 drive. For example, if the ads > I see are correct, DDS-2 drives can put 4GB on a single tape without > compression. What they don't say, of course, is that 4GB is on a 120m > length tape. But, doesn't that imply that you can get 3GB on a 90m tape? > Whereas a DDS-1 drive can only put 2GB on a 90m tape (without compression). > > Please tell me this is true... ;-} Sorry, no. A DDS-2 drive will write in the DDS-1 format on the shorter tapes. > - I'm just about to order a DAT backup drive, and was planning on getting > a DDS-2 drive (HP C1533) so that I could fit more data on my 90m backup > tapes (the 120m tapes are too expensive). At <$15 each, just use more 2G tapes 8) > Gary -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 19:02:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02494 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:02:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA02489 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id TAA28065 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:02:28 -0800 Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA04368; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:57:14 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603290257.TAA04368@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:57:14 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, jerry@border.com In-Reply-To: <199603280839.JAA23576@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Mar 28, 96 09:39:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Terry Lambert wrote: Actually, someone else wrote, and I responded... > > 1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is > > 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice > > code does, much to the consternation of those of us > > who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. > > This is not right. The FreeBSD kernel gets the BIOS geometry (for the > first N BIOS drives) passed from the bootstrap. This might or might > not be a `translated' one (though it's normally translated for all > modern disks). Bzzt. Which controller is BIOS drive 0x80 on? In BSD, controllers show in probe (config file) order. In BIOS, controllers show in INT 13 hook order. [ ... ] > The consternation does only result out of the usage of ``spare > sectors'' at controller level on the WD1007V. Don't use them, and you > should be going. (You can always use bad144 sector sparing, and if > your drive exceeds 1024 cylinders from a BIOS point of view, you could > handle this by using two BSD slices, where the first one is below 1024 > and contains at least the root f/s.) The default seeting for the WD1007 controller from the manufacturer is "sector sparing enabled". What you are saying is that if you are trying to install along side an existing Os, you are out of luck: you must reformat the drive. Which is the case, since it *is* possible to probe the number of heads and the fact that it's a WD1007 as opposed to some other WD interface drive... the problems are: a) The driver doesn't do it b) If the driver did it, you'd still be screwed because of the controllers not being attributed (drives are attributed, controllers are not). This really should be handled at a controller instance level rather than a drive instance (the settings apply to all drives on the controller). > > 2) Interpolate the geometry from an existing DOS partition > > table, and the known rules of behaviour for the DOS fdisk > > program. Specifically, starting and ending on cylinder > > boundries, etc.. Since it is possible to have multiple > > That's what libdisk does. While this is a good idea for drives that > do already have a DOS partition, it can cause some serious troubles > for uninitialized disks (or disks with non-fdisk-table previous > operating systems). This is what caused the ``You'd best install a > DOS partition first'' attitude for FreeBSD 2.0.5. (And since this > attitude deemed to be unacceptable for people who didn't wanna care > about any DOS partition at all, since all they want is FreeBSD, this > caused me to invent the ``dangerously dedicated'' mode of > installation.) "Dangerously dedidcated" is a misnomer. I've always found it annoying. What it means is that the second stage (BSD) boot is put in place of the MBR. For WD1007 with > 1024 cylinders, this shoots down the "use two partitions to make Bad144 happy with the boot disk" idea you put forth above (note: this should work, there's no technical ambiguity preventing it from working, but the current code doesn't handle that case). > > geometries result in the same values, especially when you > > have a small number of partitions (for instance, one), > > this is not a 100% reliable approach -- in general, it is > > so *unreliable* that the slice code was invented to replace > > it. It's possible to "help" this approach be more accurate > > The slice code was invented to cover multiple fdisk slices at all, > e.g. to handle more than one slice with a 0xa5 signature (though you > can still only boot from the first one), or to handle ``DOS extended > partitions''. That was a nice "while we're in the code", I think. Wasn't it a side effect of the general fixup? > > using the 32 bit absolute sector address, which is also in > > the partition table. The problem with that is that older > > FDISK programs did not generally fill out the 32 bit sector > > offset correctly, so determining this information is usually > > no more reliable if the offset happens to check a valid > > geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these > > fields out correctly in any case). > > fdisk did always fill out these parameters correctly (or at least, it > told you about its idea before writing them to the disk, so you've > been able to manually intervent if the idea was wrong). Only a > ``disklabel -B'' installed a bogus fdisk table, see above. No. I know for a fact that at lease some versions of DOS 2.11 and prior did not fill out the 32 bit sector offset field correctly. Leading Edge was one of the offenders here. > > 3) Ask the BIOS. There are several ways to do this: > > > b) Implement a multi-stage boot as opposed to a two > > stage boot, ... > > Funny, our two-stage boot does already ask the BIOS, and pass these > values to the kernel. UTST. (Use the source, Terry. :) Again, the drive identification passed to the kernel fails if the POST order for hooking INT 13 isn't the same as the BSD controller probe order. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 19:17:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA04038 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from zot.io.org (root@zot.io.org [198.133.36.82]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04033 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from taob@localhost) by zot.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA23108; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:13:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:13:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Darren Reed cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l In-Reply-To: <9603260237.AA03198@coombs.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > > Do you stop them sending arbitary 8000 byte UDP packets ? Well, I've stopped them from using /sbin/ping as a way of sending huge UDP datagrams. That will probably discourage 99% of the trouble- makers out there. > Or is it the reurns which hurt ? Does the return ping also generate 8000 bytes? Sheesh... -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) System and Network Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 19:29:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05249 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:29:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05232 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0u2UlK-000804C; Thu, 28 Mar 96 21:22 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0u2Uif-000CA1C; Thu, 28 Mar 96 21:19 WET Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 96 21:19 WET To: hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Thu Mar 28 1996, 21:19:21 CST Subject: Anyone printed via Samba on FreeBSD 2.1.0? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody played with the FreeBSD samba port? I have been trying to get Windows '95 boxes to be able to print on the FreeBSD 2.1.0 box. The Windows '95 boxes Printer Setup apparently does see the FreeBSD box and asks for a password, but it always says the password is incorrect. One possible problem is that when it prompts for the password, the FreeBSD login name is shown in uppercase! I also get bad file descriptor errors in the samba logs on the FreeBSD side. If you have made this work, please send me EMAIL and maybe you can point out some configuration problem. Thanks. Hey, I'm doing this under diress - everyone would be using UNIX or at least something that spoke Berkeley printer protocols if I had my way... :-) Frank Durda IV |"We decided to add a few last- or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | minute features to the product | that marketing wanted..." or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - From Death of a Manager, 1985 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 19:51:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA07367 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07359 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA04470; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:48:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603290348.UAA04470@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:48:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603280717.SAA18075@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 28, 96 06:17:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >This means that in order to provide a FreeBSD fdisk program, you > >must be able to determine the BIOS geometry of the underlying > >drive. This is without regard for the underlying implementation > >details of the fdisk program itself. > > >Generally, there are three approaches to solving this problem: > > 0) Ask the user. Hee hee. I will cop out and say "I meant 'solving this problem correctly'"; an indirect reference through a flawed user gets you a flawed answer. 8-). > >1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is > > 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice > > code does, much to the consternation of those of us > > who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. > > No, it doesn't do anything like that. Read the code. If you will reciprocate and install a machine with a WD1007 with factory jumpers, I will be pleased to do so. 8-). Actually, looking at the code, I see an assumption for Adaptec; in fact, a 1740 has two possible translation modes. 8-(. You can correct this to "geometry assumptions are bad, even if they are correct 90% of the time". > > geometries result in the same values, especially when you > > have a small number of partitions (for instance, one), > > this is not a 100% reliable approach -- in general, it is > > so *unreliable* that the slice code was invented to replace > > it. > > A small part of the slice code was invented to _centralize_ this > geometry guessing. It's very confusing to have disk controllers BIOSes, > fdisks, installerpersons, install programs, slice code and drivers all > guessing the geometry. Yes. I agree that if guessing is to be used, then it should be common code. I dislike the guessing in the first place, but I can't complain too loudly because of the level of difficulty required to implement real fixes. It's a 90% solution. If it weren't, the disklabel code could be moved into the kernel where it wants to be (as a logical device driver that reexports physical devices as multiple devices with device/bias/range). > > It's possible to "help" this approach be more accurate > > using the 32 bit absolute sector address, which is also in > > the partition table. The problem with that is that older > > FDISK programs did not generally fill out the 32 bit sector > > offset correctly, so determining this information is usually > > no more reliable if the offset happens to check a valid > > geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these > > fields out correctly in any case). > > The slice code _relies_ on the absolute sector numbers. It could be > smarter about guessing the geometry based on the number of sectors, > but its not clear what it should do about inconsistencies. Many > inconsistencies are already detected, but no correction is attempted, > and the warnings are disabled by default (set the kernel variable > dsi_debug to enable the warnings). Right. And this is a problem. Unfortuantely, as I said before, the amount of effort required to fix it to work in all cases is phenominal. [ ... ] > FreeBSD knows all the BIOS geometries but not the mappings. Yup. 8-(. This is the single largest obstacle to a "just do it and work in all cases" interface, which is what the people who haven't "paid their dues" complain about. > >Other types of partitioning, specifically, DOS Extended partitions, > >BSD disklabels, Solaris disklabels, SVR4 slicing, OSF disklabels, > >etc. etc., should all be manageable with a single tool, in my opinion. > > I disagree. You'll end up with support for 101 different OS's in one > program. No; that's the beauty of it. You don't put the intelligence in the program. You put it in the logical-to-physical drivers as callable ioctl()'s, and you either demand-load, or compile-time select the types of partitioning you want to allow. The program deals with a generic class of ioctl()'s and only a rough understanding of device hierarchy. Basically, if your kernel can understand that type of partition, then it can manipulate it. The code overhead is relative small compared to the existing requirements for read/status/device-nodes. > >To achieve this, I would suggest leveraging the devfs code. Specifically, > > devfs would only provide the scaffolding. Right. You would need to have a class of driver that when a disk device was registered with the devfs, it called back into a logical-to-physical mapping list. For instance, a disk with a DOS partition table with a DOS partition on P1, a BSD partition on P2, and a DOS extended partition on P4, with the DOS extended partition containing a DOS logical partition (drive), and the BSD partition containing slice 'a' (ufs), slice 'b' (swap), and slice 'c' (ufs) whould do the following: CONTROLLER 0 probes for devices DEVICE 1 found *REGISTER DEVICE 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0 -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" RECOGNIZES DEVICE *REGISTER PARTITION 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p1" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS NO #DEVFS CALLS MOUNT CODE "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p1 ARRIVED" *REGISTER PARTITION 2 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" RECOGNIZES DEVICE *REGISTER PARTITION 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/a" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS NO #DEVFS CALLS MOUNT CODE "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/a ARRIVED" *REGISTER PARTITION 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/b" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS NO #DEVFS CALLS MOUNT CODE "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/b ARRIVED" *REGISTER PARTITION 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/c" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS NO #DEVFS CALLS MOUNT CODE "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p2/c ARRIVED" <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS YES *REGISTER PARTITION 4 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p4" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" RECOGNIZES DEVICE *REGISTER PARTITION 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p4/1" -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS NO -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS extended partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? "DOS extended partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE "DOS extended partition driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS NO #DEVFS CALLS MOUNT CODE "/dev/dsk/c0d0/p4/1 ARRIVED" <- "DOS extended partition driver" SAYS YES <- "DOS partition driver" SAYS YES [ ... controller registers additional devices ... ] [ ... additional controllers register additional devices ... ] > >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device > > No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the > slice and partition layers. Right... that's why you would use directories for population. The example "callback as a result of probe true" above is actually too verbose. In reality, each driver would have "allowable parent" codes that would prevent, for instance, searching out DOS partitions on BSD slices or DOS extended paritions, etc.. > >2) There is no natural recognition of hierarchical ordering in > > a flat name space, when in fact what is presented is a logical > > on physical driver hierarchy. The n-m mapping of the graph is > > too complex to deal with in a flat name space and still present > > a uniform user interface. Specifically, if I have an arbitrary > > device in a flat name space, am I allowed to add DOS partitioning > > to it or not? My argument here is that without an easy way > > to traverse the hierarchy of devices to find parents, there > > is no easy answer to that question, short of iterating all > > devices... > > I really want only one layer. Multiple layers are difficult both to > implement and to use, and don't provide any significant benefits. The benefit here is that I can ioctl() the intermediate device "/dev/dsk/c0d0" so that subsequnet access through the FD treats it as a device rather than as a directory. This is for the single FD instance for that open. This would allow a disk managment program to do ioctl()'s to manipulate the DOS partitioning without having to build devices with knowledge of possible export names that will be used by the logical-to-physical drivers. You could do the same thing with a flat namespace, if you were willing to parse the devices into semantic units and build them up one character concatenation at a time. I think that for a minor change in the kernel (30 or less lines of additional code), you could get what you wanted from a hierarchy much easier. Note that coning devices (I'll assume we will go to cloning for pty's eventually...) will need this capability anyway: I have to be able to ask the master (directory) device for the next available clone device. > >As for intermediate soloutions, the first problem is, as you've > >identified, finding out the BIOS geometry for a given drive to > >allow application of DOS disk partitioning and extended partitioning. > > Imagine having this problem at `L' layers for `N' operating systems :-(. > The geometry information might be burried at layer L(O) for operating > system O. For a practical example, consider accessing FreeBSD partitions > under Linux vs accessing Linux partitions under FreeBSD. Linux would > have to do a lot more work to access FreeBSD partitions because they > are one layer deeper. No, they would have to provide their own device abstraction for BSD devices -- they already must do this anyway. The layering is not really an issue. I mean, I assume you will want to have logical layering that reeports the deviceto the same node without changing its name for media perfection (ie: a bad144 that can be applied to a disklabel and which doesn't care about the 1024 cylinder limit because it reserves up front), or you will want a device that gets exported a a top level device. In the second case, we have volumes consisting of multiple phisical devices and doing striping, soft RAID, mirroring, and simple concatenation -- the difference being that the export waits for the arrival of all members of the volume set. It's a powerful abstraction, even if you complicate the tools by flattening the hierarchy into the name space, and then limiting the allowable name space (mayby to a single character plus a digit) for each layer. Hell, you could even build JFS volume spanning in as a logical-to-physical mapping layer... and mount AIX disks. Or NT disks, with spanned volume sets. The mount issue is resolved by calling the FS to establish the mount as a "per device root" mount instance -- and then mapping the instance into the fstab. The biggest change here is in identifying root -- which you can do using the "last mounted on field", if it's initialized correctly on install. The eventual win on this whole thing is that once root is mounted, you can establish mappings for the devices the system recognizes but for which a traversal mount point does not yet exist. This would allow you to drop a FreeBSD kernel on a Linux box (assuming that the kernel did not require the bootloader to communicate information to it, like BIOS geometries) and have it "just work". "Competitive Upgrade" anyone? 8-). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 19:56:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA07842 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA07799 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 19:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA04485; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:53:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603290353.UAA04485@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Flex To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:53:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Mar 28, 96 05:46:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The problem (so to say) is simple - why does FreeBSD still use an old > version of flex? At least with -stable there goes the flex-2.4.7. Is > there any intrest in replacing the old one with flex-2.5.2? It seems to > be the last version and compile quite out of box. How does it work comiling world -- ie: how do the grammers behave with the new version of the tool? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 20:09:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA08943 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:09:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from guardian.fortress.org (fortress.org [199.84.158.128]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08921 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 20:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andrew@localhost) by guardian.fortress.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA15898; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:07:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:06:59 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Webster Reply-To: andrew@pubnix.net To: Michael Smith cc: Dave Walton , jkh@time.cdrom.com, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, brian@mediacity.com, questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <199603290153.MAA19252@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Dave Walton stands accused of saying: > > > > I don't mean to be a pain here, but I really don't understand the > > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of > > No matter what the input, the BS shouldn't crash and reboot. Period. > This is why it's a hardware problem. I'd like to add my two cents to this... I wonder if the problem lies in the fact that Win95 doesn't properly implement the protocol, the BS in turn, was designed to "work" with Win95, and as a result it doesn't work with a "proper" implementation. Another possibility is that FreeBSD can drive the hardware much harder than Win95 can and as a result timing problems in the BS's software are coming to light. Regards, Andrew Webster - andrew@pubnix.net - http://www.pubnix.net PubNIX Montreal - Connected to the world - Branche au monde 514-990-5911 - P.O. Box 147, Cote St-Luc, Quebec, H4V 2Y3 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 21:01:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA12970 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:01:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12963 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA01775; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:00:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199603290500.AAA01775@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:00:10 -0500 (EST) Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.ORG (Gary Palmer), questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603281650.JAA01790@rocky.sri.MT.net> from Nate Williams at "Mar 28, 96 09:50:33 am" From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote... > > > > Is the interrupt level extraordinary? > > > > > The easiest way to check the instantaneous interrupt rate is 'systat > -vmstat'. If anyone knows a different way let me know. > > > Nate > Thanks for the hint, Nate. Now I have something really odd to report. My system has a generic async / floppy / IDE card (with IDE disabled by jumper). sio0 has my Logitech serial mouse attached, and si01 is connected to the modem. Running systat -vmstat with ppp unconnected I see the following sorts of numbers for interrupts Interrupts 264 total 100 clk0 irq0 128 rtc0 irq8 fdc0 irq6 sc0 irq1 36 sio0 irq4 sio1 irq3 ed0 irq5 I am running X, so some activity on sio0 is expected. Now, when I repeat the systat -vmstat, while ppp is connected and I'm downloading a file, I see this... Interrupts 4658 total 100 clk0 irq0 128 rtc0 irq8 fdc0 irq6 sc0 irq1 4312 sio0 irq4 118 sio1 irq3 ed0 irq5 The interrupts for sio1 (with the modem busy) seems sensible, but what has happened to my mouse? If the link goes quiet, the mouse port interrupts die away, but even pinging my ISP will put the number up to 800 per sec. There doesn't appear to be anything crazy in my setup, does anyone know what might cause this? - Bogus hardware? John -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 22:45:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA19681 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ref.tfs.com (ref.tfs.com [140.145.254.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA19674 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by ref.tfs.com (8.7.3/8.6.9) id WAA25956; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603290645.WAA25956@ref.tfs.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:04 -0800 (PST) From: "JULIAN Elischer" Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603290348.UAA04470@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 28, 96 08:48:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a designe and (some) code for exactly this, except that it's the other way around.. the disk handling methods call devfs, and not the other way around.. > > CONTROLLER 0 probes for devices > DEVICE 1 found > *REGISTER DEVICE 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0 > -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? > "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO > -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? > "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > "DOS partition driver" RECOGNIZES DEVICE [...] > > [ ... controller registers additional devices ... ] > [ ... additional controllers register additional devices ... ] > > > > >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device > > > > No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the > > slice and partition layers. > > Right... that's why you would use directories for population. usig my scheme you anly have devices for disk partitions that exist. that is less devices that exist at the moment.. minor numbers are assigned in increasing non-recuring sequence. first is 0, 2nd is 1 etc. if you repartition a drive and the last device was 6 but youdelete device 3 when you re-make it you get 7.. ther eis a little hash-table to associate minoe numbers to 'disk_section' structures. each disk_section has the usual start, length stuff and in addition a pointer to it's 'parent' device, and a method that is called if non-0 the method() can dynamically re-calculate a request. a single disk_section can have multiple parents which would be the case to simulate the CCD driver. geeze I gotta finish this code.. I feel so guilty.. > as far as naming hierarchy.. I was going to keep tacking things on the end sd0/whole sd0/part1 sd0/part2/whole sd0/part2/BSDa sd0/part2/BSDb etc. but really that's just a decision taken at the time of the devfs call and purely a string.. it'd be a simple edit to make it: sd0 sd0s1 sd0s2 sd0s2a sd0s2b > > You could do the same thing with a flat namespace, if you were willing > to parse the devices into semantic units and build them up one > character concatenation at a time. which I would do I think > > I think that for a minor change in the kernel (30 or less lines of > additional code), you could get what you wanted from a hierarchy > much easier. Note that cloning devices (I'll assume we will go to > cloning for pty's eventually...) well possibly.. don't know how yet.. I'd also like to impl;iment an "active directory" where a 'lookup' is fielded by the driver.. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 22:45:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA19712 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA19677 Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:45:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA07577; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:43:19 +1100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:43:19 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603290643.RAA07577@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: jbrann@panix.com, nate@sri.MT.net Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? Cc: gpalmer@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Now, when I repeat the systat -vmstat, while ppp is connected and I'm >downloading a file, I see this... > Interrupts > 4658 total > 100 clk0 irq0 > 128 rtc0 irq8 > fdc0 irq6 > sc0 irq1 > 4312 sio0 irq4 > 118 sio1 irq3 > ed0 irq5 >The interrupts for sio1 (with the modem busy) seems sensible, but what >has happened to my mouse? If the link goes quiet, the mouse port interrupts >die away, but even pinging my ISP will put the number up to 800 per sec. >There doesn't appear to be anything crazy in my setup, does anyone know >what might cause this? - Bogus hardware? Cables radiating. Most likely misconnected modem control lines. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 23:16:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21131 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA21126 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA29730 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:16:48 -1000 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id VAA01675 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:16:40 -1000 (HST) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:16:40 -1000 (HST) From: David Langford Message-Id: <199603290716.VAA01675@caliban.dihelix.com> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ftp://ftp.netscape.com:/pub/navigator/atlas/pr1 It even works in 16bpp :) -David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 23:22:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21360 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:22:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21354 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id IAA15676; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:00:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25080; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:01:29 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:01:28 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD performance vs BSD/OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > > W/o any real hard numbers, I noticed that when running the perl 5.002 > testsuite that BSD/OS 2.0 on a P5-90 runs the tests more quickly than my > P5-120 running -stable. > > > BSD/OS 2.0.1 numbers for make test: > All tests successful. > u=0.65 s=1.03333 cu=11.8667 cs=12.6833 files=94 tests=2105 > > FreeBSD 2.1-stable numbers: > All tests successful. > u=1 s=1.8 cu=26.0667 cs=15.5 files=94 tests=2103 All tests successful. u=0.8 s=0.483333 cu=19.6667 cs=7.01667 files=94 tests=2103 FreeBSD-current, CFLAGS -> -pipe -m486 -O2 ASUS TP4XE, 100MHz Pentium, 256k burst cache... andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVuKyfMLpmkD/U+FAQHwVAP+KuipddLFC+h45FmR0UdeVjcJ7uaQRFz9 RX9clqBo2/OC1WC89RJKuwIXDiPdUYRoaj9Pyl7Jx7/sT8vKWHXuNwrpDjXSSuKq K09leUyEVIDH4poDHKGbQbRAVYH82c6gHpUvSvfI0MfK098eYX+lxjYjJxYxmDLd yjJEu4oacmM= =apst -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 23:22:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA21381 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21374 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id IAA15527; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:00:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14207; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:31:34 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:31:33 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Matthew N. Dodd" cc: Jaye Mathisen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Matthew N. Dodd wrote: > On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Jaye Mathisen wrote: > > I downloaded this, it's not half-bad, for the little bit I've been > > playing with it. FreeBSD specific version as well. > > It might be worth pursuing/promoting for commercial apps for freebsd. > > If anybody wants the announcement I can send it to the list, or email it. > > In any case, it's in > > ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/office/X4u > > It sure looks nice (appearance wise). > > Try running it in 16bpp Even the newest version of netscape (Linux and BSD binary) doesn't run in 16bpp as well. But do you know a better Navigator ?! ;-) - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMVuDxvMLpmkD/U+FAQEEAQP/R6rRqx3KJBbyMohSM0i9GMcdf2w95sFh v7HHeBFFQU6MoedapJKMjI9LLjnprl17YIIl8EKYEaY2mtEiYy4Aj1chKcVnVSjL 2nkW8DT8ClZnoEoaBTtSQ0zNf/3U6WhoSTo68JBz4Ahz6CnpdUgeOqaIRJUd1CUk 9TKHI9xJUmw= =g8xj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Mar 28 23:36:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22100 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:36:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22094 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 23:36:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA09390; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:33:39 +1100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:33:39 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603290733.SAA09390@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> 0) Ask the user. >Hee hee. I will cop out and say "I meant 'solving this problem >correctly'"; an indirect reference through a flawed user gets >you a flawed answer. 8-). Well, at least for wd drives, at least for BIOSes from a few years ago, the user or dealer had to tell the system the geometry by typing it into the BIOS setup. It's annoying to have to type in the data twice, but not hard. >> >1) Assume the geometry is translated, and that it is >> > 1024/64/256. This is what the current FreeBSD slice >> > code does, much to the consternation of those of us >> > who own WD1007 or other non-translating controllers. >> >> No, it doesn't do anything like that. Read the code. >If you will reciprocate and install a machine with a WD1007 with >factory jumpers, I will be pleased to do so. 8-). I did. The factory jumpers on my WD1007 default to the right values for FreeBSD: translation enabled and no spare sector. This makes it behave much like an IDE drive so there are no problems. >Actually, looking at the code, I see an assumption for Adaptec; >in fact, a 1740 has two possible translation modes. 8-(. I don't see any such assumption. I have 3 SCSI controllers: U34F, BT445C and SC200. I've only used the U34F with 64/32 geometry. The BT445C and the SC200 work with assorted drives in assorted translation modes giving 64/32, 128/32 and 255/63 geometries. >> >Other types of partitioning, specifically, DOS Extended partitions, >> >BSD disklabels, Solaris disklabels, SVR4 slicing, OSF disklabels, >> >etc. etc., should all be manageable with a single tool, in my opinion. >> >> I disagree. You'll end up with support for 101 different OS's in one >> program. >No; that's the beauty of it. You don't put the intelligence in the >program. You put it in the logical-to-physical drivers as callable >ioctl()'s, and you either demand-load, or compile-time select the >types of partitioning you want to allow. >The program deals with a generic class of ioctl()'s and only a >rough understanding of device hierarchy. The DIOCGSLICEINFO and DIOCGDINFO ioctls already give the logical to physical mapping for all logical drives known to the system. Things would be much simpler if BSD labels weren't supported and DIOCSLICEINFO returned all the info. Things would be much more complicated if the foreign labels were supported like BSD lablels or if there were more layers. >Basically, if your kernel can understand that type of partition, >then it can manipulate it. The code overhead is relative small >compared to the existing requirements for read/status/device-nodes. Not true. Reading labels is much easier than creating them. There is a whole lot of code in the kernel to validate and write BSD labels. >For instance, a disk with a DOS partition table with a DOS partition >on P1, a BSD partition on P2, and a DOS extended partition on P4, >with the DOS extended partition containing a DOS logical partition >(drive), and the BSD partition containing slice 'a' (ufs), slice >'b' (swap), and slice 'c' (ufs) whould do the following: >CONTROLLER 0 probes for devices >[too much detail deleted] Will the mail^H^H^H^Hprobe finish this year? :-) >> >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device >> >> No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the >> slice and partition layers. >Right... that's why you would use directories for population. Try explaining it to a user who thinks he has one disk. >... No time to comment :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 00:41:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25046 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:41:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25041 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA00961; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:40:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199603290840.AAA00961@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: David Langford cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 21:16:40 -1000." <199603290716.VAA01675@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:40:46 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> David Langford said: > > ftp://ftp.netscape.com:/pub/navigator/atlas/pr1 > > It even works in 16bpp :) > > -David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com Wow it works great in 32bpp Cheers, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 00:51:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25415 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:51:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25410 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02731 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:50:53 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA26103 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:50:52 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA29510 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:45:11 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603290845.JAA29510@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:45:11 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <26120.828043698@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 28, 96 12:08:18 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Again - was this with -stable or -current? I was trying it with -current. -current by around end of January for me (it's my production machine that also has the CD-R). > I also asked it to install into the /usr/X11R6 hierarchy - I wonder if this > was a boundry case it couldn't handle. Hmm, maybe. Why do you want it there, after all? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 00:53:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA25561 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from maui.com (root@waena.mrtc.maui.com [199.4.33.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25556 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 00:53:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from caliban.dihelix.com (caliban.dihelix.com [199.4.33.251]) by maui.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA03375; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:53:20 -1000 Received: (from langfod@localhost) by caliban.dihelix.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) id WAA00275; Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:53:13 -1000 (HST) Message-Id: <199603290853.WAA00275@caliban.dihelix.com> Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:53:11 -1000 (HST) From: "David Langford" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603290840.AAA00961@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Mar 29, 96 00:40:46 am From: "David Langford" X-blank-line: This space intentionaly left blank. X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty Jr. > >>>> David Langford said: > > > > ftp://ftp.netscape.com:/pub/navigator/atlas/pr1 > > > > It even works in 16bpp :) > > > > -David Langford > > langfod@dihelix.com > >Wow it works great in 32bpp > Amancio Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Hmm I do notice that java apps with sound dont seem to work- I dont know if that is an interaction with the BSDI compatibilty or Netscape it self..... David Langford langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 01:05:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA26134 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:05:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA26129 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id BAA01226; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:04:26 -0800 Message-Id: <199603290904.BAA01226@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "David Langford" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 22:53:11 -1000." <199603290853.WAA00275@caliban.dihelix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:04:25 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Well, if we had a clue as to what is the BSDI sound interface we may have a chance at getting sound out of the damn thing. BTW: I noticed that an older version of netscape for linux had the same problem even though we have the linux audio ioctls support we at least I do over here. At any rate, I will take a look and see what can I find out.. Cheers, Amancio >>> "David Langford" said:, >>> "David Langford" said: > Amancio Hasty Jr. > > > >>>> David Langford said: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.netscape.com:/pub/navigator/atlas/pr1 > > > > > > It even works in 16bpp :) > > > > > > -David Langford > > > langfod@dihelix.com > > > >Wow it works great in 32bpp > > Amancio > > Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Hmm I do notice that java apps with sound dont seem > to work- I dont know if that is an interaction with the BSDI compatibilty > or Netscape it self..... > > David Langford > langfod@dihelix.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 01:22:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA26904 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA26896 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:21:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA05201 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:21:26 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA26246 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:21:26 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA29802 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:04:07 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603290904.KAA29802@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:04:06 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Mar 29, 96 07:31:33 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > Try running it in 16bpp > > Even the newest version of netscape (Linux and BSD binary) doesn't > run in 16bpp as well. But do you know a better Navigator ?! ;-) Lynx. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 01:25:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA27211 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27205 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA28276; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:25:21 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Walton cc: Samy Touati , Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 1996 14:49:24 PST." Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 01:25:21 -0800 Message-ID: <28274.828091521@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of > his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same > hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's > entirely FreeBSD's problem, since other TA's work correctly. I'm just > surprised at the attitude that it's all Motorola's fault. Win95 > demonstrates that it IS possible for the hardware to work correctly. I'm not saying it's all Moto's fault, I'm simply saying that I've had no problems whatsoever with a pair of ADTRAN TAs for the last 6 months and would like a "second opinion" on those Motos. The fact that it works under Win95 doesn't necessarily mean that Windows is stressing those TAs fully. I know that FreeBSD pushes mine to the theoretical max, so... Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 02:47:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02491 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from MediaCity.com (root@easy1.mediacity.com [205.216.172.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02486 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:47:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brian@localhost) by MediaCity.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA19411; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:53:43 -0800 From: Brian Litzinger Message-Id: <199603291053.CAA19411@MediaCity.com> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: dwalton@psiint.com (Dave Walton) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 02:53:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from Dave Walton at "Mar 28, 96 02:49:24 pm" Reply-To: brian@MediaCity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dave Walton wrote: > On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, > [* especially after I gave it a try with win 95 and the modem didn't resets > [* itself. > > > I wouldn't, at least not yet - try another brand; who's to say that Moto > > *fixed* the problem? > > I don't mean to be a pain here, but I really don't understand the > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of > his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same > hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's > entirely FreeBSD's problem, since other TA's work correctly. I'm just > surprised at the attitude that it's all Motorola's fault. Win95 > demonstrates that it IS possible for the hardware to work correctly. It's all motorola's fault. I spend much of my life testing all sorts of HICAP solutions on all sorts of platforms. Brian Litzinger brian@mediacity.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 03:11:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA05329 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 03:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheops.anu.edu.au (avalon@cheops.anu.edu.au [150.203.76.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA05173 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 03:11:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199603291111.DAA05173@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: by cheops.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA264387872; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:11:13 +1100 From: Darren Reed Subject: Re: Restricting ping -s and -l To: taob@io.org (Brian Tao) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:11:12 +1100 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Brian Tao" at Mar 28, 96 10:13:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In some mail from Brian Tao, sie said: > > On Tue, 26 Mar 1996, Darren Reed wrote: > > > > Do you stop them sending arbitary 8000 byte UDP packets ? > > Well, I've stopped them from using /sbin/ping as a way of sending > huge UDP datagrams. That will probably discourage 99% of the trouble- > makers out there. > > > Or is it the reurns which hurt ? > > Does the return ping also generate 8000 bytes? Sheesh... I do believe so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 03:44:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA06592 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 03:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06544 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 03:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04782; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:44:21 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:44:20 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Frank Durda IV cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone printed via Samba on FreeBSD 2.1.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Eat good food, preserve nature, be nice to all nice people :) On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Frank Durda IV wrote: > Has anybody played with the FreeBSD samba port? I have been trying > to get Windows '95 boxes to be able to print on the FreeBSD 2.1.0 > box. The Windows '95 boxes Printer Setup apparently does see > the FreeBSD box and asks for a password, but it always says the > password is incorrect. One possible problem is that when it prompts > for the password, the FreeBSD login name is shown in uppercase! > I also get bad file descriptor errors in the samba logs on the FreeBSD > side. Couldn't you use lpd? Windows 95 has drivers for it. > > If you have made this work, please send me EMAIL and maybe you can > point out some configuration problem. Thanks. > > > Hey, I'm doing this under diress - everyone would be using UNIX > or at least something that spoke Berkeley printer protocols if I > had my way... :-) > > Frank Durda IV |"We decided to add a few last- > or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | minute features to the product > | that marketing wanted..." > or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | - From Death of a Manager, 1985 > > Sander. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 04:42:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA09692 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:42:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telstra.com.au (mail.telstra.com.au [192.148.160.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA09684 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:42:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au(192.148.147.10) by mail via smap (V1.3) id sma022244; Fri Mar 29 15:46:55 1996 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au(144.139.63.32) by mail_gw.telecom.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma021361; Fri Mar 29 22:35:32 1996 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au [144.139.63.32]) by netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA27090; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:45:04 +0800 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:44:59 +0800 (WST) From: Terry Dwyer To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Michael Smith , mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-Reply-To: <4819.828022663@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Strange. Under -stable the install was painless and both run quite > > OK. I can't comment on bugs; they don't support 16bpp so they went > > back into the archive. The demo versions expire in three days anyway. > > Hmmm. I followed each step explicitly, but this was under -current > and not -stable, so I wonder if that had something to do with it. > > Various things feel over left and right, and when I installed > everything carefully by hand (after reading their installation script > to see what it would have done), I got apps that ran but complained > mightily about missing fonts and such (which were installed, and I set > their little environment variables up to point to them as per > instructions). I then composed a detailed log of my experiences, > send them to the bug reporting address and never got anything back. > Jordan I saw WYSIWYG word processor and grabbed it immediately - what a disapointment. I followed the instructions to the letter and chose a dir to install in (as root) and a language. It worked flawlessly first off under 2.1.0R. Well I did have one problem during importing an ASCII file into Xcl, a seg fault. I would not race out and buy either of these products, the WP is incomprehensible and the spreadsheet is inadequate. There is absolutely no help - even a plain text file. I like Wingz much more although it suffers from the inability to import comma or quote delimited ascii files Into the bit bucket with it, IMHO don't waste your time. _-_|\ Terry Dwyer E-Mail: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au / \ System Administrator Phone: +61 9 491 5161 Fax: +61 9 221 2631 *_.^\_/ Telecom Australia Telstra Corporation MIME capable mailer v Perth WA ( I do not speak for Telstra or Telecom ) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 07:23:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA25472 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:23:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA25456 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA05036; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:21:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:21:33 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: David Langford , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI In-Reply-To: <199603290904.BAA01226@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > Well, if we had a clue as to what is the BSDI sound interface we may > have a chance at getting sound out of the damn thing. BTW: BSDI uses Voxware (or USS Lite as it's known now, see http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/voxware/).. > I noticed that an older version of netscape for linux had the > same problem even though we have the linux audio ioctls support > we at least I do over here. There are no problems with sound, it's just that netscape hasn't added support for audio in Java yet. It's pretty odd, because this is a trivial thing to add. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 07:45:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27033 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA27024 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29418; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:42:36 -0800 (PST) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: Anybody checked out XQuad/Xcl? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:45:11 +0100." <199603290845.JAA29510@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:42:36 -0800 Message-ID: <29416.828114156@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hmm, maybe. Why do you want it there, after all? I stick all my X related stuff in /usr/X11R6, that's why.. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 07:51:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA27443 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu (root@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu [128.173.43.251]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA27433 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 07:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dlacroix@localhost) by cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu (8.6.13/8.6.12) id KAA00672 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:51:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:51:50 -0500 From: David La Croix Message-Id: <199603291551.KAA00672@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone else noticed the following behavior (and suggest a fix?) I have a 1 Meg S3-911 card and can't run X in anything more than 8bpp when I try to run the new netscape, it runs fine, but when I try to load a java applet (any java applet) it doesn't seem to even try to run it. I can display remotely and java applets work, however I tried the same thing on my roomate's computer with Accellerated X in 8bpp mode and it exhibited the same symptoms. Looks like Netscape foobared 8 bit support somehow when the added support for greater depths. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 08:04:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA28106 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28101 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:04:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:01:10 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:09:34 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, terry@lambert.org Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Flex - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk An interesting note about the Flex that comes with FreeBSD. I have been attempting to get cscope compiled for FreeBSD (don't ask, I can't give it out.) It processed the lex grammer just fine, and generated the c file. The resulting C file fails horribly with GCC. I haven't done much further investigation other than this. Another interesting note is that if I use lex on UnixWare, the resulting C file compiles just fine with GCC (though I don't have the necessary matching library for lex on FreeBSD. MORE WORK) Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 08:17:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA28834 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28804 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id IAA39437; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:15:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Walton To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Samy Touati , Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <28274.828091521@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > The fact that it > works under Win95 doesn't necessarily mean that Windows is stressing > those TAs fully. I know that FreeBSD pushes mine to the theoretical > max, so... Ah, now there's an explanation I can accept. With all its overhead, it's unlikely that Windoze pushes the BitSURFR to the max. So maybe it's broken... :) In the interest of solving Samy's problem, which is where this discussion started... Is there something in FreeBSD that he can adjust so that it doesn't push the BitSURFR quite as hard? Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 08:20:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA29148 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from psiint.com (vv.psiint.com [204.189.53.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29114 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by psiint.com (8.6.12/4.03) id IAA57972; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:20:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:20:07 -0800 (PST) From: Dave Walton To: Michael Smith cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, brian@MediaCity.Com, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <199603290153.MAA19252@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Michael Smith wrote: > Dave Walton stands accused of saying: > > > > I don't mean to be a pain here, but I really don't understand the > > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of > > No matter what the input, the BS shouldn't crash and reboot. Period. > This is why it's a hardware problem. That's a good point. However, I think the BitSURFR has some sort of software reset capability. If the software is sending something it shouldn't, there exists the possibility that it's triggering that. > > his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same > > hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's > > So the hardware works 'properly' if it works under W95? That's just the > sort of pathetic mentality that makes 90% of the PC hardware on the market > just so much rubbish. Whoa. Relax, Mike. I was just saying that it works without crashing under . That the software it works with is Win95 is incidental, and doesn't change my point. Changing software makes the problem go away, so maybe there's something that can be done to the problem software that will make it work. However, Jordan commented that FreeBSD pushes the BitSURFR harder than Win95. That's probably true, which means the BitSURFR is failing under high load. In other words, it's broken. I think I'll sit down and shut up now. Dave ========================================================================== David Walton Unix Programmer PSI INTERNATIONAL, Inc. email: dwalton@psiint.com 190 South Orchard #C200 Fax :(707)451-6484 Vacaville, CA 95688 Phone:(707)451-3503 ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 08:41:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA00589 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from koala.scott.net (root@koala.scott.net [204.181.147.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA00583 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from jason.scott.net (dialup68.scott.net [205.241.3.68]) by koala.scott.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03689 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:41:32 -0600 Message-ID: <315BBE21.41C67EA6@scott.net> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 04:40:33 -0600 From: Jason Gilbert X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel wrote: > > There are no problems with sound, it's just that netscape hasn't added > support for audio in Java yet. Are you strictly talking about in the BSDI version, because sound sure does work in the Win95 version of Netscape 2.0. jason From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 08:58:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA01630 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01624 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA21508; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:55:38 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199603291655.KAA21508@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:55:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: dwalton@psiint.com, lmcsato@lmc.ericsson.se, brian@MediaCity.Com, questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <28274.828091521@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 29, 96 01:25:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > insistence that this is purely a hardware problem. The second half of > > his sentence above (which you didn't quote) points out that the same > > hardware works correctly under Win95. I'm not suggesting that it's > > entirely FreeBSD's problem, since other TA's work correctly. I'm just > > surprised at the attitude that it's all Motorola's fault. Win95 > > demonstrates that it IS possible for the hardware to work correctly. > > I'm not saying it's all Moto's fault, I'm simply saying that I've had > no problems whatsoever with a pair of ADTRAN TAs for the last 6 months > and would like a "second opinion" on those Motos. The fact that it > works under Win95 doesn't necessarily mean that Windows is stressing > those TAs fully. I know that FreeBSD pushes mine to the theoretical > max, so... I run Motorola UTA/220's with the same firmware as the BitSurfer Pro's and they have no problems with each other or talking to BitSurfer Pro's... I haven't tried BSP-BSP recently but I see no reason it would be "problematic" in the least. ... JG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:01:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA01912 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA01905 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA05680; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:57:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603291657.JAA05680@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: julian@ref.tfs.com (JULIAN Elischer) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:57:46 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603290645.WAA25956@ref.tfs.com> from "JULIAN Elischer" at Mar 28, 96 10:45:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I have a designe and (some) code for exactly this, except that it's the > other way around.. the disk handling methods call devfs, and not > the other way around.. > > > CONTROLLER 0 probes for devices > > DEVICE 1 found > > *REGISTER DEVICE 1 WITH DEVFS, NAME "/dev/dsk/c0d0 > > -> DEVFS ASKS "BSD slice driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? > > "BSD slice driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > > "BSD slice driver" FAILS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > > <- "BSD slice driver" SAYS NO > > -> DEVFS ASKS "DOS partition driver" DO YOU WANT THIS DEVICE? > > "DOS partition driver" TRYS TO RECOGNIZE DEVICE > > "DOS partition driver" RECOGNIZES DEVICE ??? I thought that was what I was describing... controller -> devfs [ -> logical driver -> devfs ... ] -> mount Or are you saying that the devfs doesn't process the registration events locally? If so, what causes a disk handling method to act on a device of a format it recognizes? > > > >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device > > > > > > No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the > > > slice and partition layers. > > > > Right... that's why you would use directories for population. > > usig my scheme you anly have devices for disk partitions that exist. > that is less devices that exist at the moment.. Same here. The difference is that there would be explicit nodes for manipulating partitioning, with some common interface, like: #define DIOCISDEV _IO('D', 1) /* use node as device*/ #define DIOCGETAP _IOR('D', 4, struct diskapart) /* get allowable*/ #define DIOCSETAP _IOR('D', 5, struct diskapart) /* set type*/ #define DIOCREADP _IOR('D', 2, struct diskparti) /* get partition data*/ #define DIOCWRITEP _IOW('D', 3, struct diskparti) /* set partition data*/ For telling devfs that the directory node is going to be used as a device (replace dir vnode with dev vnode in fd), for determining the current (and allowable) logical devices at the given node, for setting or deleting the active logical device, for reading the partition data, and for setting the partition data. For instance, here's a pseudo-code parititioning program that will work with all divisions of devices into logical extents, assuming logical devices nodes are exported in some hierarchical fashion, and that you can "pick" devices to operate on via hierarchy traversal of /dev/dsk: struct allow_list { struct diskapart item; struct allow_list *next; }; struct part_list { struct diskparti item; struct part_list *next; }; struct allow_list *atop = NULL; struct part_list *ptop = NULL; { struct allow_list **alpp = &atop; struct allow_list *alp; struct part_list **plpp = &ptop; struct part_list *plp; struct diskapart dai; /* diskapart item*/ struct diskparti dpi /* diskparti item*/ int i; int choice; /* open physical device*/ fd = open( "/dev/dsk/c0d0", O_RDWR, 0); /* use as device instead of looking up inferior nodes*/ ioctl( fd, DIOCISDEV, 0); /* * get allowable logical drivers (partitioning types); * put them on a linked list. */ dai.index = 0; while( ioctl( fd, DIOCGETAP, &dai) == 0) { *alpp = malloc( sizeof(struct allow_list)); memcpy( (*alpp)->item, &dai, sizeof(struct allow_list)); (*alpp)->next = NULL; alpp = &((*alpp)->next); } ... disallow if item->active is true ... /* display choices to user... option base 1*/ for( i = 1, alp = atop; alp != NULL; i++, alp = alp->next) { printf( "%d: %s\n", i, alp->item->desc); } /* * get user choice of partitioning to apply * (into "choice"); as in display above, option base * is 1. */ ... /* locate structure for choice...*/ for( i = choice, alp = atop; i > 1; i--, alp = alp->next) continue; /* set as active (will write empty structures to disk)*/ alp->item->active = 1; ioctl( fd, DIOCSETAP, &alp->item); /* * get potential partition information... there will * be one per item allowed by the logical device; * put them on a linked list. Active will be non-zero * for those which exist. */ dpi.index = 0; while( ioctl( fd, DIOCREADP, &dpi) == 0) { *alpp = malloc( sizeof(struct part_list)); memcpy( (*alpp)->item, &dpi, sizeof(struct part_list)); (*alpp)->next = NULL; alpp = &((*alpp)->next); } keep_partitioning: /* * Use information from allowable ranges and user input * to pick active partitions; because allowable space * may be reduced, we will need to refresh the list * via ioctl after a change operation... ie: for an * empty DOS partition entry, bias = 0, length = 2G * (or limit of available space, whichever is smaller). * The flags field of "diskapart" structure indicates * allowable spanning strategies for a given region * (ie: if partitions can start on cyliner 45 if there * isn't one from 1-44 already, etc.). */ /* get menu item*/ if( ... done) goto done; /* handle partition creation/deletion for selected*/ ... /* write partition entry*/ ioctl( fd, DIOCWRITEP, &plp->item); /* refresh potentials list*/ ... goto keep_partitioning; /* NOTREACHED*/ done: /* got here on "exit" from poartitioning menu... ... } > minor numbers are assigned in increasing non-recuring sequence. > first is 0, 2nd is 1 etc. > if you repartition a drive and the last device was 6 but youdelete device 3 > when you re-make it you get 7.. > ther eis a little hash-table to associate minoe numbers to 'disk_section' > structures. > each disk_section has the usual start, length stuff and in addition a pointer > to it's 'parent' device, and a method that is called if non-0 > the method() can dynamically re-calculate a request. Hmmmm... where do you store this monatonically increasing number on disk? > a single disk_section can have multiple parents > which would be the case to simulate the CCD driver. > > geeze I gotta finish this code.. I feel so guilty.. 8-). > as far as naming hierarchy.. I was going to keep tacking things on the end > sd0/whole > sd0/part1 > sd0/part2/whole > sd0/part2/BSDa > sd0/part2/BSDb > etc. > but really that's just a decision taken at the time of the devfs call > and purely a string.. > it'd be a simple edit to make it: > sd0 > sd0s1 > sd0s2 > sd0s2a > sd0s2b Agreed. Names are only a convenience for humans, who actually should not have to think of devices at this level anyway, only of cutting the devices up and the usable pie pieces that result... the pseudo-code above does not deal with setting up spanning sets or anything, but as long as you stole the first sector/ cylinder/whatever as a tag (and put order information there as well), they could self-assemble as a result of callbacks, and the code would not be that difficult. You would need to have a logical driver class associated with the allowable logical drivers, and DIOCREADP and DIOCWRITEP would be applicable only in case of LD_CLASS_PART, not LD_CLASS_SPAN (which would require its own control ioctls). > > You could do the same thing with a flat namespace, if you were willing > > to parse the devices into semantic units and build them up one > > character concatenation at a time. > > which I would do I think I was thinking that human usability wasn't a factor -- the human usability is a matter for the interface program, so making things unambiguous for the interface program seemed to be a higher priority. Obviously, as long as it's parsable from a directory listing into a hierarchy internally, it's irrelevant, except as regards the amount of work required to implement a usable interface. > > I think that for a minor change in the kernel (30 or less lines of > > additional code), you could get what you wanted from a hierarchy > > much easier. Note that cloning devices (I'll assume we will go to > > cloning for pty's eventually...) > > well possibly.. don't know how yet.. > I'd also like to impl;iment an "active directory" > where a 'lookup' is fielded by the driver.. Hmmm... as in "master" and "slave" directories for pty allocation? The reason I phrased things the way I did on the cloning (using the directory as the control device to get an assignment) is that once you get an assign, you could reserve it until EITHER the control device was closed OR the allocated device master was opened. This eliminates the potential race on allocation for iterate/open on an "active directory", and saves you from badly behaved programs at the same time (ie: crash in the middle of the open procedure, etc.). I think the "active directory" idea could be useful elsewhere (ie: for something like /dev/fd/* iteration), so don't throw it out. 8-). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:11:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02368 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp [133.6.57.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02363 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp (8.7.4+2.6Wbeta6/3.3W9) with ESMTP id CAA00276 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:11:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199603291711.CAA00276@marble.eps.nagoya-u.ac.jp> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: M1sc support X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.96 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:11:04 +0900 From: KATO Takenori Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I would like to contribute M1sc (Cyrix 5x86) support code for FreeBSD-current. Motivation: Though Cyrix says 5x86 is not an upgrade product, Cyrix KK sells it as an upgrade product only in Japan. Therefore, many people use the 5x86 on the main board which does not support the 5x86 in Japan. Such 5x86 users want to enable 5x86 features, especially write-back cache on their FreeBSD boxes. How to Use: The 5x86 features can be enabled/disabled by the following kernel configuration options: options "DISABLE_5x86_LSSER" Disable load store serialize. options "RSTK_EN" Enable return stack. options "LOOP_EN" Enable loop pre-fetch buffer. options "SUSP_HLT" Enter suspend mode when hlt is executed. options "CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS" Execute wbinvd instruction before DMA transfer. MB which doesn't support M1sc needs this options. options "FASTER_5X86_FPU" Enable fast FPU exception reporting. When this option is enabled, exception from FPU cannot be detected. Note: Write-back cache and branch prediction are always enabled. ---------- BEGIN ---------- diff -c -r sys.old/i386/i386/locore.s sys/i386/i386/locore.s *** sys.old/i386/i386/locore.s Fri Mar 29 23:47:21 1996 --- sys/i386/i386/locore.s Fri Mar 29 23:49:03 1996 *************** *** 348,353 **** --- 348,365 ---- jnz 1f movl $CPU_486,_cpu-KERNBASE + + /* check for Cyrix CPU */ + movl $0x5555,%eax + xorl %edx,%edx + movl $2,%ecx + clc + divl %ecx + jc 3f # Intel chip + + movl $0x69727943,_cpu_vendor-KERNBASE # store vendor string + movw $0x0078,_cpu_vendor-KERNBASE+4 + /* check for Cyrix 486DLC -- based on check routine */ /* documented in "Cx486SLC/e SMM Programmer's Guide" */ xorw %dx,%dx *************** *** 363,373 **** andw $0x08d5,%cx cmpw %ax,%cx ! jnz 3f # if flags changed, Intel chip movl $CPU_486DLC,_cpu-KERNBASE # set CPU value for Cyrix - movl $0x69727943,_cpu_vendor-KERNBASE # store vendor string - movw $0x0078,_cpu_vendor-KERNBASE+4 #ifndef CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS /* Disable caching of the ISA hole only. */ --- 375,383 ---- andw $0x08d5,%cx cmpw %ax,%cx ! jnz cy5x86 # must not be 486DLC movl $CPU_486DLC,_cpu-KERNBASE # set CPU value for Cyrix #ifndef CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS /* Disable caching of the ISA hole only. */ *************** *** 425,430 **** --- 435,516 ---- movl %eax,%cr0 invd #endif /* CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS */ + jmp 3f + + cy5x86: + /* Cyrix 5x86 (M1sc) */ + movl $CPU_M1SC,_cpu-KERNBASE # set value for M1sc + + /* enable 5x86 feature */ + cli + mov %cr0,%eax + orl $0x40000000,%eax # disable cache + movl %eax,%cr0 + + wbinvd # flush buffer + + movb $0xc3,%al + outb %al,$0x22 + inb $0x23,%al + + movb $0x0c1,%al # CCR1 + outb %al,$0x22 + movb $0x00,%al + outb %al,$0x23 + movb $0x0c2,%al # CCR2 + outb %al,$0x22 + #ifdef SUSP_HLT + movb $0x0a,%al # USE_WBAK, SUSP_HLT + #else + movb $0x02,%al # USE_WBAK + #endif + outb %al,$0x23 # Interface Pins + movb $0xc3,%al # CCR3 + outb %al,$0x22 # + movb $0x10,%al # MAPEN0 (to access CCR4) + outb %al,$0x23 + movb $0x0e8,%al # CCR4 + outb %al,$0x22 + #ifdef FASTER_5X86_FPU + movb $0x38,%al # DTE_EN,MEM_BYP,no clock delay + # UNDOCUMENTED OPTION (20H) + #else + movb $0x18,%al # DTE_EN,MEM_BYP,no clock delay + #endif + outb %al,$0x23 + movb $0x020,%al # PCR0 + outb %al,$0x22 + #ifdef RSTK_EN + #define RSTK_EN_BIT 1 + #else + #define RSTK_EN_BIT 0 + #endif + #ifdef LOOP_EN + #define LOOP_EN_BIT 4 + #else + #define LOOP_EN_BIT 0 + #endif + #ifdef DISABLE_5X86_LSSER + movb $(0x02 | RSTK_EN_BIT | LOOP_EN_BIT) ,%al # BTB_EN + #else + movb $(0x82 | RSTK_EN_BIT | LOOP_EN_BIT),%al # BTB_EN,LSSER + #endif + outb %al,$0x23 + movb $0x0c3,%al # CCR3 + outb %al,$0x22 + movb $0x00,%al + outb %al,$0x23 + movb $0x80,%al # dummy + outb %al,$0x22 + inb $0x23,%al + + movl %cr0,%ebx + andl $0x0bfffffff,%ebx # enable cache + orl $0x020000000,%ebx # write back mode + movl %ebx,%cr0 # go! + + sti + jmp 3f 1: /* Use the `cpuid' instruction. */ diff -c -r sys.old/i386/i386/machdep.c sys/i386/i386/machdep.c *** sys.old/i386/i386/machdep.c Fri Mar 29 23:47:21 1996 --- sys/i386/i386/machdep.c Fri Mar 29 23:51:26 1996 *************** *** 484,489 **** --- 484,490 ---- { "Pentium", CPUCLASS_586 }, /* CPU_586 */ { "Cy486DLC", CPUCLASS_486 }, /* CPU_486DLC */ { "Pentium Pro", CPUCLASS_686 }, /* CPU_686 */ + { "M1sc", CPUCLASS_486 }, /* CPU_M1SC */ }; static void diff -c -r sys.old/i386/include/cputypes.h sys/i386/include/cputypes.h *** sys.old/i386/include/cputypes.h Fri Mar 29 23:47:21 1996 --- sys/i386/include/cputypes.h Fri Mar 29 23:56:34 1996 *************** *** 51,56 **** #define CPU_486 4 /* Intel 80486DX */ #define CPU_586 5 /* Intel P.....m (I hate lawyers; it's TM) */ #define CPU_486DLC 6 /* Cyrix 486DLC */ ! #define CPU_686 7 /* Pentium Pro */ #endif /* _MACHINE_CPUTYPES_H_ */ --- 51,57 ---- #define CPU_486 4 /* Intel 80486DX */ #define CPU_586 5 /* Intel P.....m (I hate lawyers; it's TM) */ #define CPU_486DLC 6 /* Cyrix 486DLC */ ! #define CPU_686 7 /* Pentium Pro */ ! #define CPU_M1SC 8 /* Cyrix 5x86 */ #endif /* _MACHINE_CPUTYPES_H_ */ diff -c -r sys.old/i386/isa/isa.c sys/i386/isa/isa.c *** sys.old/i386/isa/isa.c Fri Mar 29 23:47:21 1996 --- sys/i386/isa/isa.c Fri Mar 29 23:54:42 1996 *************** *** 653,658 **** --- 653,663 ---- /* translate to physical */ phys = pmap_extract(pmap_kernel(), (vm_offset_t)addr); + #ifdef CYRIX_CACHE_WORKS + if (cpu == CPU_M1SC) + asm("wbinvd"); + #endif + if ((chan & 4) == 0) { /* * Program one of DMA channels 0..3. These are ---------- END ---------- ---- KATO Takenori Dept. Earth Planet. Sci., Nagoya Univ., Nagoya, 464-01, Japan Voice: +81-52-789-2529 Fax: +81-52-789-3033 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:15:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02650 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:15:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02641 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05715; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:12:25 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603291712.KAA05715@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:12:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@lambert.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603290733.SAA09390@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Mar 29, 96 06:33:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I did. The factory jumpers on my WD1007 default to the right values > for FreeBSD: translation enabled and no spare sector. This makes it > behave much like an IDE drive so there are no problems. You have lucked out, then. The factory defaults from AT&T/NCR are "sparing enabled". Mostly because the original SVR4 code's soft bad sectoring sucked. 8-(. > >Actually, looking at the code, I see an assumption for Adaptec; > >in fact, a 1740 has two possible translation modes. 8-(. > > I don't see any such assumption. I have 3 SCSI controllers: U34F, > BT445C and SC200. I've only used the U34F with 64/32 geometry. > The BT445C and the SC200 work with assorted drives in assorted > translation modes giving 64/32, 128/32 and 255/63 geometries. What happens if you turn of translation on the things? (yes, I know this is not a possibility for Adaptec). > >No; that's the beauty of it. You don't put the intelligence in the > >program. You put it in the logical-to-physical drivers as callable > >ioctl()'s, and you either demand-load, or compile-time select the > >types of partitioning you want to allow. > > >The program deals with a generic class of ioctl()'s and only a > >rough understanding of device hierarchy. > > The DIOCGSLICEINFO and DIOCGDINFO ioctls already give the logical to > physical mapping for all logical drives known to the system. Things > would be much simpler if BSD labels weren't supported and DIOCSLICEINFO > returned all the info. Things would be much more complicated if the > foreign labels were supported like BSD lablels or if there were more > layers. Please look at the "pseudo code" partitioning program I just posted in this thread... > >Basically, if your kernel can understand that type of partition, > >then it can manipulate it. The code overhead is relative small > >compared to the existing requirements for read/status/device-nodes. > > Not true. Reading labels is much easier than creating them. There is > a whole lot of code in the kernel to validate and write BSD labels. True. But I think the validation phase is anonymous. That is, I think the same engine can be used regardless of the partitioning scheme, so that the code can be shared between all classes of logical devices that divide up disks (ie: no overlap, contiguity, and so on). > >> >1) The hierarchy could get large fast. For instance, a device > >> > >> No kidding. There are already about 512+64 possible devices for the > >> slice and partition layers. > > >Right... that's why you would use directories for population. > > Try explaining it to a user who thinks he has one disk. How does the same user deal with having a "C:" and "D:" drive on his DOS box with one disk without going into mental-meltdown? He handles it because there's a front-end program and he doesn't have to deal with devices at the INT 13 device ID level. UNIX systems export the moral equivalent of INT 13 device ID's (0x00 -- floppy A:, 0x01 -- floppy B:, 0x80 -- disk C:, 0x81 -- disk D:, etc.). The confuse comes because the user doesn't have a nice, clean, unified view of logical devices in UNIX (like he does in DOS). NB: Windows 95 doesn't fix this for DOS: there is no grpahical partition editor: Microsoft screwed up the implementation of the "IFSMgr_PNPEvent"; they assume a different number of things on the satck on entry and exit, so the routine is useless, and even if you corrected it, the PNPEvent handling is broken -- you can't partition something and have the newly created logical device "arrive". Hence Windows 95 users are stuck with the same old scruddy fdisk in a DOS window, and rebooting 4 or 5 times. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:18:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02902 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from tippy.vnet.net (tippy.vnet.net [166.82.197.240]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02897 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.vnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id MAA03102; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:17:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Madison To: David La Croix cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI In-Reply-To: <199603291551.KAA00672@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Looks like Netscape foobared 8 bit support somehow when the added support > for greater depths. I dunno I just grabbed netscape today and it works fine. I'm running -current with X11R6.1. My video card is a diamond stealth 64 video vram with 4Mg. I run in 8bpp and it works great! Just finished looking at a bunch of applets that I've been dieing to look at! I'm very happy. ================================================================ cmadison@vnet.net | R.I.P TIPPY:'( root@tippy.vnet.net | 6 month remembrance From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:24:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03582 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:24:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03501 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:24:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA05741; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:20:23 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603291720.KAA05741@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD performance vs BSD/OS To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:20:22 -0700 (MST) Cc: mrcpu@cdsnet.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Mar 29, 96 08:01:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > W/o any real hard numbers, I noticed that when running the perl 5.002 > > testsuite that BSD/OS 2.0 on a P5-90 runs the tests more quickly than my > > P5-120 running -stable. > > > > > > BSD/OS 2.0.1 numbers for make test: > > All tests successful. > > u=0.65 s=1.03333 cu=11.8667 cs=12.6833 files=94 tests=2105 > > > > FreeBSD 2.1-stable numbers: > > All tests successful. > > u=1 s=1.8 cu=26.0667 cs=15.5 files=94 tests=2103 > > All tests successful. > u=0.8 s=0.483333 cu=19.6667 cs=7.01667 files=94 tests=2103 > > FreeBSD-current, CFLAGS -> -pipe -m486 -O2 > ASUS TP4XE, 100MHz Pentium, 256k burst cache... HZ values? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:25:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03668 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03656 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:22:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:30:16 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk OK, what didn't I do right? I got the Atlas build and installed it. I put the moz3_0.zip file in my $HOME/.netscape directory like the README file said. When Netscape comes up I get the Java logo on the banner screen, but no worky on the Java applets. Any guesses? Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 09:49:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA05722 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:49:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05714 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:49:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from terra.Sarnoff.COM (terra.sarnoff.com [130.33.11.203]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id JAA06902 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:48:54 -0800 Received: (from rminnich@localhost) by terra.Sarnoff.COM (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA28070; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:43:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 12:43:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Ron G. Minnich" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: infocomm info: freebsd 10% > plan 9 on one network software app Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I saw a talk last sunday on some direct atm software developed at att bell labs. The software was built on plan 9, then ported to freebsd. it ran 10% faster. HMMM ... ron Ron Minnich |" Microsoft Word: It does so little and it does rminnich@sarnoff.com | it so slowly" -- Maya Gokhale (609)-734-3120 | ftp://ftp.sarnoff.com/pub/mnfs/www/docs/cluster.html From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 10:30:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08810 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08805 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:28:03 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:27:46 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: DARREND@novell.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Oh, and if your wondering. I am running stable. Here is the info: bash$ uname -a FreeBSD ddavis 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Mar 5 10:02:37 MST 1996 root@ddavis:/usr/src/sys/compile/DDAVIS i386 bash$ netscape -version Netscape 3.0b2/export, 22-Mar-96; (c) 1995,1996 Netscape Communications Corp. bash$ P.S. I also created a hard-link between ~HOME/.netscape/moz3_0.zip and /usr/local/lib/netscape/moz3_0.zip and still have no luck. All I get that is different is the Java logo at the beginning. Does this need pthreads? --- Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 10:34:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09104 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09040 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:33:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com ([13.231.132.20]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <14918(6)>; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:32:24 PST Received: from gnu.mc.xerox.com (gnu.sdsp.mc.xerox.com) by gemini.sdsp.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16152; Fri, 29 Mar 96 13:32:36 EST Received: by gnu.mc.xerox.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25719; Fri, 29 Mar 96 13:32:34 EST Message-Id: <9603291832.AA25719@gnu.mc.xerox.com> To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) Cc: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flex - Reply In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:09:34 PST." Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:32:29 PST From: "Marty Leisner" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message , you write: >An interesting note about the Flex that comes with FreeBSD. I have been >attempting to get cscope compiled for FreeBSD (don't ask, I can't give >it out.) It processed the lex grammer just fine, and generated the c file. > The resulting C file fails horribly with GCC. I haven't done much further >investigation other than this. Another interesting note is that if I use >lex on UnixWare, the resulting C file compiles just fine with GCC (though >I don't have the necessary matching library for lex on FreeBSD. MORE WORK) > >Darren R. Davis >Senior Software Engineer >Novell, Inc. > > Which flex is it? Did you try flex -l? If you can get a newer flex, try it... marty From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 10:39:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09542 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.eniac.com (zeus.eniac.com [206.98.182.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09536 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gayala@localhost) by zeus.eniac.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA17619 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:42:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:42:21 -0400 From: Gustavo Ayala Carrasquero Message-Id: <199603301842.OAA17619@zeus.eniac.com> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IBM SCSI-2 with FreeBSD Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello, Do anyone know how to use a: IBM SCSI-2 FAST PCI Adapter with FreeBSD 2.0.5 or 2.1.0? Now I have the 2.0.5 version, but I am waiting for the 2.1.0. I didn't see this controller in the suppoted list of this FreeBSD. Is it compatible with another card? Thanks a lot... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 10:50:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10600 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tombstone.sunrem.com (tombstone.sunrem.com [199.104.90.54]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10593 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brandon@localhost) by tombstone.sunrem.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02116 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:50:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:50:16 -0700 From: Brandon Gillespie Message-Id: <199603291850.LAA02116@tombstone.sunrem.com> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) writes: < Oh, and if your wondering. I am running stable. < < Here is the info: [...] I am running a recompiled kernel off RELEASE (mainly diddling, shutting off devices and adding linux compatability), and I get the same problem... From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:05:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12009 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:05:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12002 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:05:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA06561 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:05:07 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:05:07 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603291905.OAA06561@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone read Hannu Savolainen's new Copywrite? --------- What is USS Lite USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a minor change in copying conditions. USS Lite will be freely distributable only in source code format. Distribution of precompiled binaries is not allowed. The lite version can be used only in the same computer (motherboard) where it was compiled. You are also allowed to use yourself driver binaries which you have compiled. But you are not allowed to compile the driver and give, sell, borrow or transfer it in other ways to another machine where it's used by your friend, customer or whoever else than you. This change in the copying conditions doesn't affect the way how the driver is currently used. As far as I know just one or two Linux distributions come with precompiled sound driver. USS Lite is NOT product of 4Front Technologies but rather a research and hacking project maintained by Hannu Savolainen. 4Front technologies will not support USS Lite or answer to any questions about it. They just sponsor development of USS Lite. As earlier with ATSD there is no "support" for USS Lite. I will still answer to (email and usenet) questions about the driver as much I have time. However my answer to questions about installing and configuring the driver will be "Buy the commercial driver". All kind of questions and suggestions about features, bugs and programming with the driver are still highly welcome. One thing which changes is that I no longer can accept large patches to the driver. My "in house" version of the driver is rather different than the released freeware version. USS Lite is just "output" produced from the development version. I can accept some patches but I will have to apply the changes manually. This and some copyright reasons make it impossible to accept drivers made by other persons to the official USS distribution. To overcome this limitation I'm developing an interface (API) which permits interfacing other low level drivers with USS (both lite and the full version). This interface should make it much easier to write this kind of drivers. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:08:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12258 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:08:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12220 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00831; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:07:09 -0800 (PST) To: Dave Walton cc: Samy Touati , Brian Litzinger , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 08:15:52 PST." Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:07:09 -0800 Message-ID: <829.828126429@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > In the interest of solving Samy's problem, which is where this discussion > started... Is there something in FreeBSD that he can adjust so that it > doesn't push the BitSURFR quite as hard? It's theoretically possible, I suppose, but just about everything in FreeBSD goes out of its way to do just the opposite, so you'd have to really break the code's fingers and chain its legs together in a whole bunch of ways. Sounds like a most disgusting exercise to me, and quite a waste to boot. I'd just scream at moto until they sent me a ROM revision that worked or get rid of the damn things! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:15:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12903 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12898 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:12:52 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:47:33 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: DARREND@novell.com, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: Flex - Reply - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Marty Leisner 3/29 11:32am >>> Which flex is it? Did you try flex -l? If you can get a newer flex, try it... marty Yes, I allready tried the -l option with about the same effect. bash$ lex -V lex version 2.4.7 bash$ bash$ make lex -l -n -t ./scanner.l >scanner.c cc -c -O -DBSD -ansi -w scanner.c ./scanner.l: In function `yylex': ./scanner.l:113: `yysptr' undeclared (first use this function) ./scanner.l:113: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once ./scanner.l:113: for each function it appears in.) ./scanner.l:400: `yytchar' undeclared (first use this function) ./scanner.l:400: `yysbuf' undeclared (first use this function) ./scanner.l: At top level: ./scanner.l:932: parse error before `=' ./scanner.l:937: conflicting types for `yy_c_buf_p' scanner.c:203: previous declaration of `yy_c_buf_p' ./scanner.l:937: initializer element is not constant ./scanner.l:939: parse error before `if' ./scanner.l:965: conflicting types for `yyrestart' scanner.c:213: previous declaration of `yyrestart' ./scanner.l:969: parse error before `return' ./scanner.l:989: initializer element is not constant ./scanner.l:990: redefinition of `yy_c_buf_p' ./scanner.l:937: `yy_c_buf_p' previously defined here ./scanner.l:991: conflicting types for `yy_hold_char' scanner.c:195: previous declaration of `yy_hold_char' ./scanner.l:991: initializer element is not constant ./scanner.l:993: parse error before `return' ./scanner.l:1003: conflicting types for `yyrestart' ./scanner.l:965: previous declaration of `yyrestart' ./scanner.l: In function `multicharconstant': ./scanner.l:674: `yytchar' undeclared (first use this function) ./scanner.l:674: `yysptr' undeclared (first use this function) ./scanner.l:674: `yysbuf' undeclared (first use this function) *** Error code 1 I do not get a single error while compiling this under UnixWare 2.1 (no surprise.) Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:43:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15072 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15067 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10367; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:43:17 -0800 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199603291943.LAA10367@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: Getting the quickcam to work To: andrew@whine.com (Andrew Herdman) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <315A9AA2.41C67EA6@whine.com> from "Andrew Herdman" at Mar 28, 96 08:56:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I just got myself a quick cam yesterday, downloaded xfqam 1.02 and 1.03 > and 1.04, I had luck, once with 1.02, after that I get the same message > with all the versions "Can't find a camera". The camera is plugged in, > and works fine with the windows 95 software. I've tried setting the > parallel port to all it's different modes (standard, bi-dir, EPP and > ECP) with no change. I'm probably missing something small here. Oh yes > i'm running on 2.1-RELEASE. (this was with an earlier version of xfqcam, but...) The fix for me was to just have the function that "finds" the quickcam hard coded to always return "found"... ie, don't probe for it, just assume it's there. -Archie __________________________________________________________________________ Archie L. Cobbs, archie@tribe.com * Whistle Communications Corporation From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:54:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15754 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:54:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15747 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:54:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00928; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:53:29 -0800 (PST) To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, smpatel@wam.umd.edu, langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:30:16 PST." Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:53:28 -0800 Message-ID: <926.828129208@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try the port I just committed - I have all the java applets working just great! Jordan > OK, what didn't I do right? I got the Atlas build and installed it. I > put the moz3_0.zip file in my $HOME/.netscape directory like the README > file said. When Netscape comes up I get the Java logo on the banner screen, > but no worky on the Java applets. Any guesses? > > Darren R. Davis > Senior Software Engineer > Novell, Inc. > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 11:59:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA16036 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16031 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00960; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:58:49 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Green cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:05:07 EST." <199603291905.OAA06561@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:58:49 -0800 Message-ID: <958.828129529@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's > exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD > and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a minor > change in copying conditions. USS Lite will be freely distributable only in > source code format. Distribution of precompiled binaries is not allowed. The > lite version can be used only in the same computer (motherboard) where it was > compiled. You are also allowed to use yourself driver binaries which you have > compiled. But you are not allowed to compile the driver and give, sell, > borrow or transfer it in other ways to another machine where it's > used by your friend, customer or whoever else than you. This change in the In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 13:33:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21182 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:33:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21175 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u2ln2-0003xDC; Fri, 29 Mar 96 13:33 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA09772; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:32:53 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 11:58:49 PST." <958.828129529@time.cdrom.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:32:52 +0000 Message-ID: <9770.828135172@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's > > exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBS D > > and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a min or > > change in copying conditions. USS Lite will be freely distributable only in > > source code format. Distribution of precompiled binaries is not allowed. Th e > > lite version can be used only in the same computer (motherboard) where it w as > > compiled. You are also allowed to use yourself driver binaries which you ha ve > > compiled. But you are not allowed to compile the driver and give, sell, > > borrow or transfer it in other ways to another machine where it's > > used by your friend, customer or whoever else than you. This change in the > > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. It could be, it just wouldn't be in the GENERIC kernel... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 13:42:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21688 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21682 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA07709 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:42:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:42:45 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603292142.QAA07709@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Willows Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk What's the progress on willows? I was on the mailing list but it appears I've been dumped. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 14:02:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA23164 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA23150 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA06249; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:56:36 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603292156.OAA06249@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Flex - Reply - Reply To: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 14:56:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: DARREND@novell.com, leisner@sdsp.mc.xerox.com, hackers@freebsd.org, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, terry@lambert.org In-Reply-To: from "Darren Davis" at Mar 29, 96 10:47:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, I allready tried the -l option with about the same effect. > bash$ lex -V > lex version 2.4.7 > bash$ > > bash$ make > lex -l -n -t ./scanner.l >scanner.c > cc -c -O -DBSD -ansi -w scanner.c > ./scanner.l: In function `yylex': > ./scanner.l:113: `yysptr' undeclared (first use this function) Looks like a bogus %union in your yacc grammer, or your yacc not being done before your lex. %union { char *yysptr; char yytcharl char yysbuf[ SOMEBUFSIZE]; %} Might be a partial fix... > ./scanner.l:113: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > ./scanner.l:113: for each function it appears in.) > ./scanner.l:400: `yytchar' undeclared (first use this function) > ./scanner.l:400: `yysbuf' undeclared (first use this function) > ./scanner.l: At top level: [ ... ] > ./scanner.l:932: parse error before `=' > ./scanner.l:937: conflicting types for `yy_c_buf_p' > scanner.c:203: previous declaration of `yy_c_buf_p' I've seen these exact warning in an uncorrected "parse a command line" lexer in the O'Reilly "lex & yacc" book; fixes are in appendix E of that same book... [ ... type conflicts ... ] generally the result of '=' constructs in the yacc grammar. See the differences in the O'reilly sample code for flex vs. lex for the chapter 5 examples. Sample code may be obtained from uunet in the O'Reilly publication section. > I do not get a single error while compiling this under UnixWare 2.1 (no > surprise.) Yeah; flex also does not support yylineno -- it's undocumented and it's not POSIX. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 15:10:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA28973 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RICH.ISDN.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28963 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.250.37]) by rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA00470; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:10:05 -0600 Received: (rich@localhost) by richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03784; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:10:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:10:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199603292310.RAA03784@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: DARREND@novell.com CC: DARREND@novell.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, smpatel@wam.umd.edu, langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: (DARREND@novell.com) Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 10:27:46 -0800 |From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) |Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org | |Oh, and if your wondering. I am running stable. | |Here is the info: | |bash$ uname -a |FreeBSD ddavis 2.1.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #0: Tue Mar 5 10:02:37 |MST 1996 root@ddavis:/usr/src/sys/compile/DDAVIS i386 |bash$ netscape -version |Netscape 3.0b2/export, 22-Mar-96; (c) 1995,1996 Netscape Communications |Corp. |bash$ Hmm. it worked for me on 2.1-STABLE. I'm not aware of anything that's different between 2.1-STABLE and 2.1.0-RELEASE that would account for it not working for you. |P.S. I also created a hard-link between ~HOME/.netscape/moz3_0.zip and |/usr/local/lib/netscape/moz3_0.zip |and still have no luck. All I get that is different is the Java logo at |the beginning. Does this need pthreads? I did exactly this after seeing your note. Is there a particular URL that doesn't work for you that I could test? Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 15:41:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA01703 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01614 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 15:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA02826; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:35:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199603292335.SAA02826@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:35:04 -0500 (EST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199603290643.RAA07577@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from Bruce Evans at "Mar 29, 96 05:43:19 pm" From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL13 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans wrote... > > Cables radiating. Most likely misconnected modem control lines. > > Bruce > Er, for the ignorant (i.e. me), are you suggesting that my external cables are at fault? Or is something about the card or ribbon cables broken? I've tried both disconnecting the mouse and reversing the use of sio0/sio1 but the results are the same - whenever the ppp port starts to get busy, the mouse port starts registering infinite interrupts. John -- Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 16:37:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA04228 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:37:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from novell.com (sjf-ums.sjf.novell.com [130.57.10.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04223 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from INET-SJF-Message_Server by fromGW with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:35:06 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:43:26 -0800 From: DARREND@novell.com (Darren Davis) To: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu, rich@rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu Cc: langfod@dihelix.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, DARREND@novell.com, hasty@rah.star-gate.com, smpatel@wam.umd.edu Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply - Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Reply >>> Rich Murphey 3/29 4:10pm >>> did exactly this after seeing your note. Is there a particular URL that doesn't work for you that I could test? Rich I tried the applets at java.sun.com. Darren R. Davis Senior Software Engineer Novell, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 17:37:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA05994 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:37:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw.ast.com (fw.ast.com [165.164.6.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA05987 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nemesis by fw.ast.com with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0u2pMg-00084dC; Fri, 29 Mar 96 19:22 CST Received: by nemesis.lonestar.org (Smail3.1.27.1 #20) id m0u2pB1-000CBxC; Fri, 29 Mar 96 19:09 WET Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 96 19:09 WET To: rb@gid.co.uk, helg@tav.kiev.ua, alex@orion.fa.tdktca.com, narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee, Andrew.Gordon@net-tel.co.uk, mrl@teleport.com, jeff@tenforwd.wiz.com, hackers@freebsd.org From: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) Sent: Fri Mar 29 1996, 19:09:58 CST Subject: Printing from Samba under FreeBSD 2.1.0 Cc: uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to the many people who responded. Through some grafting of several suggestions, I have been able to at least print out the Windows '95 Print Test page on a FreeBSD box. The logs still scream murder about file descriptor errors and other ominious things, and I had to set up aliases for the Windows account names to UNIX account names and a bunch of other stuff that other people didn't seem to have to do (or forgot to mention). But it works. FYI, the question was resolved in less than 24 hours. The identical question was posted to the Samba mailing list and after 24 hours all I got back was an automated response that said that there were no guarantees on getting any live response. I haven't heard further... Thanks again to the responsive FreeBSD community! Frank Durda IV |"Do not bite the wheels while or uhclem%nemesis@rwsystr.nkn.net | the motorcycle is in motion. | Also, do not drink the battery or ...letni!rwsys!nemesis!uhclem | acid." - Real Honda owners manual, US Translation. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 19:16:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA08688 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08682 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA22757; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:11:56 +1100 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:11:56 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603300311.OAA22757@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, terry@lambert.org Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You have lucked out, then. The factory defaults from AT&T/NCR are >"sparing enabled". Mostly because the original SVR4 code's soft >bad sectoring sucked. 8-(. Mine seems to have come from the WD factory :-). The Installation Guide says "[WD1007V-SE1/SE2 ... Copyright 1989 WDC ... Part No. 79-000367-000 WD0027S 8/89]". >> I don't see any such assumption. I have 3 SCSI controllers: U34F, >> BT445C and SC200. I've only used the U34F with 64/32 geometry. >> The BT445C and the SC200 work with assorted drives in assorted >> translation modes giving 64/32, 128/32 and 255/63 geometries. >What happens if you turn of translation on the things? (yes, I >know this is not a possibility for Adaptec). I haven't tried it. It should fail iff the weaker translation mode can't handle the geometry that the partition table was configured for. Perhaps if the geometry isn't 64/32. >... >> >Right... that's why you would use directories for population. >> >> Try explaining it to a user who thinks he has one disk. >How does the same user deal with having a "C:" and "D:" drive on his >DOS box with one disk without going into mental-meltdown? They've had 14 years to get used to it :-). The drive letters are visible at all levels because there's no mount step to produce a seamless directory tree, so users have to get used to it (SUBST and JOIN are little used and don't work well). >He handles it because there's a front-end program and he doesn't >have to deal with devices at the INT 13 device ID level. This program is called `export EDITOR=your_favourite_editor; disklabel -e' in BSD. It provides the same amount of support for DOS drives as DOS fdisk does for BSD partitions (none). >UNIX systems export the moral equivalent of INT 13 device ID's >(0x00 -- floppy A:, 0x01 -- floppy B:, 0x80 -- disk C:, 0x81 -- >disk D:, etc.). The confuse comes because the user doesn't have >a nice, clean, unified view of logical devices in UNIX (like he >does in DOS). I would have thought that the user doesn't have a nice, clean, unified view of logic devicies in DOS (like he does in UNIX) :-). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 20:12:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA11406 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA11399 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:12:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA07405; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:11:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199603300411.VAA07405@rover.village.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: libc 3.0 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 28 Mar 1996 10:46:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:11:50 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : NETISO and NETNS have been killed. I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 20:39:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA12560 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:39:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12554 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id EAA05127 ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:39:07 GMT To: Warner Losh cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: libc 3.0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:11:50 MST." <199603300411.VAA07405@rover.village.org> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:39:07 +0000 Message-ID: <5125.828160747@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Warner Losh wrote in message ID <199603300411.VAA07405@rover.village.org>: > : NETISO and NETNS have been killed. > I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would > mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. revision 1.14 date: 1996/02/06 20:35:31; author: wollman; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2 Remove support for OSI networking in user-land (#ifdef OSI aor CCITT) in preparation for its removal from the kernel source tree. NB: because a function was deleted, libc is now at version 3.0 (was 2.2 previously). The change has been in the tree over a month. People running -current will already have the library. There is no easy way to REDUCE the version number... It would require everyone to manually delete /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0... Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 20:58:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA13211 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13206 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA07035; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:57:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:57:57 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-Reply-To: <958.828129529@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's > > exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD > > and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a minor > > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted horrible mess... Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 21:16:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA13809 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (root@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA13767 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07254 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:14:54 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: haywire.DIALix.COM: news set sender to usenet-request@haywire.dialix.com using -f Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:05:13 GMT From: mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au (Mark Hannon) Message-ID: Organization: Private FreeBSD site References: Subject: Re: Anyone printed via Samba on FreeBSD 2.1.0? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article , uhclem@nemesis.lonestar.org (Frank Durda IV) writes: >Has anybody played with the FreeBSD samba port? I have been trying >to get Windows '95 boxes to be able to print on the FreeBSD 2.1.0 >box. The Windows '95 boxes Printer Setup apparently does see >the FreeBSD box and asks for a password, but it always says the >password is incorrect. One possible problem is that when it prompts password level = 8 Sets the number of lowercase<->uppercase translations smbd shall use when trying to match passwords. /mark -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Mark Hannon,| FreeBSD - Free Unix for your PC| mark@seeware.DIALix.oz.au| | Melbourne, | PGP key available by fingering | epamha@epa.ericsson.se | | Australia | seeware@melbourne.DIALix.oz.au | | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:00:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16350 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA16344 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA11875 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:01:37 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199603300601.XAA11875@hemi.com> Subject: Help, processes not getting killed when users exit To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:01:37 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, [I'm using FreeBSD 2.1-R] I've noticed that some of my processes aren't getting killed when the connection is broken, and I've been trying to figure out why this is. Some of the programs which (sometimes) stay alive include 'vi' and 'irc'... they go into a loop trying to perform I/O on the pty and drive up CPU usage like mad (they don't seem to check the result of their read() calls.) Suppose a remote telnet connection disconnects. Telnetd notices it, calls cleanup(), and exits. How do the shell and the application get notified ? I.e., which process is responsible in sending a SIGHUP to the user's processes ? Thanks in advance, -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:20:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16882 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16874 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:20:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA02146; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:19:33 -0800 (PST) To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:32:52 GMT." <9770.828135172@critter.tfs.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:19:32 -0800 Message-ID: <2143.828166772@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. > > It could be, it just wouldn't be in the GENERIC kernel... I'd still rather not. These license restrictions make the GPL look like a public domain copyright! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:22:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA16932 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16927 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:22:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA02161; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:22:21 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Green cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Willows In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:42:45 EST." <199603292142.QAA07709@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:22:21 -0800 Message-ID: <2159.828166941@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What's the progress on willows? I was on the mailing list but it > appears I've been dumped. What gives you that idea? You're still there.. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:37:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17569 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tfs.com (tfs.com [140.145.250.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17564 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com by tfs.com (smail3.1.28.1) with SMTP id m0u2uHU-0003x3C; Fri, 29 Mar 96 22:37 PST Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA11734; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:35:34 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:19:32 PST." <2143.828166772@time.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:35:34 +0000 Message-ID: <11732.828167734@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. > > > > It could be, it just wouldn't be in the GENERIC kernel... > > I'd still rather not. These license restrictions make the GPL look > like a public domain copyright! Ok, somebody better make it a port then... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:38:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17642 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17636 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Sat, 30 Mar 96 01:38:20 -0500 Received: from compound ([206.10.99.151]) by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Sat, 30 Mar 96 01:38:17 EST Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound (8.6.12/8.6.112) id AAA00534; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:39:07 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:39:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199603300639.AAA00534@compound> From: Tony Kimball To: hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: libc 3.0 Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From: "Gary Palmer" Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:39:07 +0000 Warner Losh wrote in message ID > I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would > mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. The change has been in the tree over a month. People running -current will already have the library. There is no easy way to REDUCE the version number... It would require everyone to manually delete /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0... Just Do It. Why make everyone who gets the eventual release suffer the same indignity? From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Mar 29 22:51:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA18294 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:51:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA18272 Fri, 29 Mar 1996 22:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA31438; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:49:03 +1100 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:49:03 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603300649.RAA31438@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, jbrann@panix.com Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Cables radiating. Most likely misconnected modem control lines. >Er, for the ignorant (i.e. me), are you suggesting that my external cables are >at fault? Or is something about the card or ribbon cables broken? Most likely the external cables. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 00:20:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22021 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22010 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA10785 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:20:51 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08413 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:20:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id JAA03392 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:05:49 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603300805.JAA03392@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: libc 3.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:05:49 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603300411.VAA07405@rover.village.org> from "Warner Losh" at Mar 29, 96 09:11:50 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Warner Losh wrote: > > : NETISO and NETNS have been killed. > > I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would > mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. I don't think anybody would be particularly proud about such an hack. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 00:27:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22261 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lcs-vger.mgh.harvard.edu (lcs-vger.mgh.harvard.edu [132.183.234.95]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22256 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarnes@localhost) by lcs-vger.mgh.harvard.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id DAA02691; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:32:32 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Barnes To: Darren Davis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Applets not working under Netscape-3.0b2 (was Re: Yes!!!...) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When Netscape comes up I get the Java logo on the banner screen, > but no worky on the Java applets. Any guesses? I am also having the same problem with Netscape-3.0b2. I run 3 FreeBSD machines, all slightly different, and all running different kernels: 1. 486-66, FreeBSD-2.0.5R, 16Meg Ram, XFree-86 3.1.1, S3 video card, 8-bit depth, 1M video ram. 2. 486-33, FreeBSD-2.2-960323-SNAP, 16Meg Ram, XFree-86 3.1.2D-beta, ET4000 video, 8-bit depth, 1M video ram. 3. 586-120 (TI-TravelMate 5200 laptop), FreeBSD-2.1R, 16Meg Ram, XFree-86 3.1.2D-beta, 800x600 LCD, Cirrus CL-GD7543 Video. Linuxulator. 2M video ram. 8 and 16 bit depth. Machines 1 & 2 both exhibit the same behavior as Darren described: applets appear to load, but nothing happens. I've tried this on a number of applets. You actually don't even have to load an applet, just try to bring up the java console-- it won't come up (although it does do a few seconds of accessing the disk). Machine 3 dumps core whenever one tries to load an applet or bring up the java console. BTW, this machine runs the Linux Java-enhanced Netscape just fine. 8 or 16 bit pixel depth makes no difference. I installed Netscape-3.0b2 as in the README. I also went back and re-installed using Jordan's 'netscape3' port. This did not change any of the behaviors. Except for trying to run applets, all 3 machines run Netscape-3.0b2 fine. All three machines will let me compile java source using the 'netscape -java sun.tools.javac.Main [filename].java' method. However, trying to run the applet viewer this way gets bus errors on all machines. I still have no idea what the problem is, but hopefully this will help shed some light for someone. Having the same problem on 2.0.5 and the latest SNAP (in addition to being able to compile java source under Netscape) makes the problem look more video than OS-version related, but who knows? Mike Barnes mbarnes@lcs-vger.mgh.harvard.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 00:29:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22360 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22354 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:29:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA11271; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:29:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:29:36 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Darren Davis cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Darren Davis wrote: > P.S. I also created a hard-link between ~HOME/.netscape/moz3_0.zip and > /usr/local/lib/netscape/moz3_0.zip > and still have no luck. All I get that is different is the Java logo at > the beginning. Does this need pthreads? Ummm.. Something is wrong :) I get no Java Applets either (using a make install from Jordan's port)... Darren are you running -current? Jordan do you have Java working? Here's what I found out: 1- moz_blah.zip is in the correct place, because deleteing it causes netscape to complain about it missing. 2- Java Applets attempt to start (I get subprocess diagnostics as always) Sujal PS: BTW, has anyone else noticed that the BSDI binary launches much faster- and maybe performs better than the Linux one? Do we demand page Linux a.out binaries? From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 00:38:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA22833 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA22828 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 00:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA07024; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:35:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603300835.BAA07024@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help, processes not getting killed when users exit To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:35:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603300601.XAA11875@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Mar 29, 96 11:01:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [I'm using FreeBSD 2.1-R] > > I've noticed that some of my processes aren't getting killed when > the connection is broken, and I've been trying to figure out why > this is. Some of the programs which (sometimes) stay alive include > 'vi' and 'irc'... they go into a loop trying to perform I/O on > the pty and drive up CPU usage like mad (they don't seem to check > the result of their read() calls.) > > Suppose a remote telnet connection disconnects. Telnetd notices > it, calls cleanup(), and exits. How do the shell and the application > get notified ? I.e., which process is responsible in sending a > SIGHUP to the user's processes ? When the telnetd exits, it closes the master size of the pty (the shell and any user apps are running on the slave side). When this happens, if the slave side is set HUPCL, then a SIGHUP is sent to the controlling process. If this process is group leader (it is), then it is supposed to send SIGHUP to all processes in the process group (it doesn't do that because the wording of POSIX is vague in this regard as to order of delivery vs. where default handling occurs: in the process or in the kernel). What happens instead on BSD, is that the close of the master causes a "revoke". Processes that don't trap read returns for EOF will go into a tight loop; those that do, will exit, just like if BSD had properly delivered the SIGHUP to the child processes (like POSIX implies you shouldn't, and like SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, SCO, Linux, BSDI, Ultrix, OSF/1, SVR3, SVR4, and AIX all do...). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 01:22:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA24585 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA24571 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:22:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from aida (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aida (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03535; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:25 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:25 +0100 (MET) From: didier@aida.org To: John Brann cc: Bruce Evans , questions@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: iijppp problems - related to interrupts? In-Reply-To: <199603292335.SAA02826@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, John Brann wrote: > Bruce Evans wrote... > > > > Cables radiating. Most likely misconnected modem control lines. > > > > Bruce > > > > Er, for the ignorant (i.e. me), are you suggesting that my external cables are > at fault? Or is something about the card or ribbon cables broken? > > I've tried both disconnecting the mouse and reversing the use of sio0/sio1 > but the results are the same - whenever the ppp port starts to get busy, > the mouse port starts registering infinite interrupts. > > John > -- > Beavis and Butt-Head; Vladimir and Estragon for the '90s. > > finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key I have that kind of problem on my computer. I think that the problem comes from interferences between the video or the scsi board with the serial cables located between the serial plug and the mother board. It may also come from a broken chipset. my mouse is connected to COM1, COM2 is unusable (disabled) I installed a serial board (2x16550) as COM2 and COM3 for the external cables the best is to use shielded cable at the right size. -- Didier Derny | Microsoft Free Computer. | 486DX4-120 AL3 chipset didier@aida.org | Private FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site. | aha2940 / 1Gb HAWK From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 02:26:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA27881 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:26:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from subnet.sub.net (uucp@subnet.sub.net [192.101.75.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27865 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from netland.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by subnet.sub.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.11subnet) with UUCP id LAA06170; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:25:11 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stiller.netland.sub.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA00371; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:13:42 +0100 Message-Id: <199603300713.IAA00371@stiller.netland.sub.de> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: list of supported notebooks Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:13:42 +0100 From: Bernd Rosauer Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nearly every day I read a request of someone asking a question like "Does *BSD run on notebook brand *** model ***?" in one of the *BSD news groups or mailing lists. The usual reply is "1. Check the hardware specs of the notebook. 2. Check the list of supported hardware of a) *BSD, b) XFree86, and c) whatsoever" mostly followed by a statement like "the driver for *** is in current development". It might be of help for the people who are asking for advice but in the long run it is somewhat disappointing for those watching what is going on. Additionally, twice a year, the manufactures put new models on the market. Thus, who could keep up? In my opinion it would be nice to have a list of "successful installations" telling who runs which *BSD and which applications on which brand and model of notebook and what he/she did to make it work. Although I am short of time and surely do lack some expertise I would volunteer for compiling and posting such a list on a regular basis if we could develop and agree on a form asking the relevant questions which the notebook owners simply could fill in. Any suggestions? -Bernd From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:13:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03748 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03739 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA10980 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:13:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03059; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:05:27 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: libc 3.0 Date: 30 Mar 1996 10:05:26 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 16 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4jj116$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <5125.828160747@palmer.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gary Palmer (gpalmer@FreeBSD.org) wrote: : The change has been in the tree over a month. People running -current : will already have the library. There is no easy way to REDUCE the : version number... It would require everyone to manually delete : /usr/lib/libc.so.3.0... ... which should'nt be a too hard job for poeple running -current :-) t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:13:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03759 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:13:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03738 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA10932 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:13:28 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03049; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:04:33 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: libc 3.0 Date: 30 Mar 1996 10:04:33 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 16 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4jj0vh$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <199603300411.VAA07405@rover.village.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Warner Losh (imp@village.org) wrote: : : NETISO and NETNS have been killed. : I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would : mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. yes yes yes ... - and back to libc 2.x (ok it's a bit late now but not too late) t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:14:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03792 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03787 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:14:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA10787 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:13:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03039; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:03:35 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Date: 30 Mar 1996 10:03:34 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 18 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4jj0tm$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: <958.828129529@time.cdrom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard (jkh@time.cdrom.com) wrote: ... : > compiled. But you are not allowed to compile the driver and give, sell, : > borrow or transfer it in other ways to another machine where it's : > used by your friend, customer or whoever else than you. This change in the : In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. is that _such_ a problem for you ? - nobody _has to_ compile the sound in for distribution t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:14:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA03836 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA03829 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (graichen.dialup.fu-berlin.de [160.45.217.183]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA09122 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:14:09 +0100 (MET) Received: (from news@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03032; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:02:17 +0100 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Path: graichen From: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Newsgroups: local.freebsd-hackers Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Date: 30 Mar 1996 10:02:16 GMT Organization: his FreeBSD box :-) Lines: 32 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4jj0r8$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.physik.fu-berlin.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel (smpatel@wam.umd.edu) wrote: : On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: : > > USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's : > > exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD : > > and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a minor : > : > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. : We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish : copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there : is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so : we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted : horrible mess... oh no - please no more incomaptibelities - i don't see the problem - we would not put it into GENERIC and anybody may use it if he recompiles it in which we may describe very clear in the handbook - anybody who wanted to use FreeBSD in an commercial fashian may may licence the commercial version of uss (like done for instance with the xinside xserver in some linux distribs) - but i would totally vote against doing our own thing on sond - i think uss may become somekind of sound standard in the unix world - and the source _is_ _free_ - if we go our own way in some months no of the sound apps for linux/bsdi will work with FreeBSD - _please_ stay at uss - everything else would be a bad decision in my opinon t -- thomas graichen graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de graichen@FreeBSD.org perfection is reached, not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away antoine de saint-exupery From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:44:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA04894 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA04884 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id NAA04904 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:43:59 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id NAA16049 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:44:07 +0100 Received: (uucp@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.fr.net (8.6.11/fasterix-941011) with UUCP id CAA22999 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:30:48 +0100 Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by tetard.frmug.fr.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/tetard-uucp-2.7) id BAA07475 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:51:20 +0100 (MET) From: Philippe Regnauld Message-Id: <199603300051.BAA07475@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) To: hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 01:51:19 +0100 (MET) In-Reply-To: <199603291905.OAA06561@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "Charles Green" at Mar 29, 96 02:05:07 pm X-rene: Tu dois pas les avoir perdues, normalement. X-wing-fighter: et puis X-men, X-open, X-ta-mere... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Charles Green écrit / writes: > > Has anyone read Hannu Savolainen's new Copywrite? > What is USS Lite [...] > This interface should make it much easier to write this kind of drivers. This seems excessively restrictive. And I though GPL was bad ! Savolainen may have his reasons for protecting commercial releases of his software, but his conditions are warped. I guess I won't be using his driver anymore :-( -- Phil -- - [ regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net / +48.8N+2.3E / +33 1 4507 9391 / Sol 3 ] - - [ regnauld@freenix.fr / FreeBSD 2.x / ] - "Le schtroumpf est à l'homme ce que le bleu est au billard" - F.Berjon From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 04:44:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA04900 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA04885 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:44:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id NAA04908 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:44:00 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id NAA16052 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:44:08 +0100 Received: (uucp@localhost) by fasterix.frmug.fr.net (8.6.11/fasterix-941011) with UUCP id FAA25689 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 05:45:56 +0100 Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by tetard.frmug.fr.net (8.7.5/8.7.3/tetard-uucp-2.7) id CAA07829 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:38:59 +0100 (MET) From: Philippe Regnauld Message-Id: <199603300138.CAA07829@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Subject: Howto: Sun 3's as X Terminal To: hackers@freebsd.org (hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 02:38:58 +0100 (MET) X-rene: Tu dois pas les avoir perdues, normalement. X-wing-fighter: et puis X-men, X-open, X-ta-mere... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In the spirit of what Jerry Kendall wrote some time ago (Diskless FreeBSD), here's another setup: ============= FILE: HOWTO TITLE: Installing a Sun 3/3x as an X Terminal. DATE: March 29th, 1996 After a little bit of experimenting, I have managed to convert a Sun 3/80 into a diskless X terminal. I had the setup working since last year, but have made a few changes relative to Jerry Kendall's howto (jerry@kcis.com). Many thanks to him for the original document. USING A SUN 3/3x AS AN X Terminal Nowadays, Sun 3's (3/50, 3/60, 3/80) are somewhat obsolete, but plenty of them still lie around, unused. They have a great display (19" mono / gray) and a nifty optical mouse. There is a corresponding package (XKernel) which was released just for this: it consists of a minimal Sun 3/3x kernel with no swap configured, and a dedicated X server. XKernel was put together by Seth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu). I won't go through the installation instructions of XKernel -- the READMEs are clear enough. This document is rather aimed at clarifying the FreeBSD aspects of such a setup. There are 5 steps to getting the Sun Xterminal up and running: I - configuring rarpd II - configuring tftp so the terminal can retrieve its files (kernel & co.) III - configuring bootpd IV - configuring NFS (yes, NFS is needed) V - configuring Xdm & Xfs HOW DOES THE SUN BOOT ? When you start up the Sun, by default the PROM configuration tells it to boot on le0 (lance ethernet). The Sun emits a Reverse ARP query to find out its IP address. The server (FreeBSD) looks up the ethernet address in /etc/ethers and uses /etc/hosts to determine the IP address to assign. Once this is done, the Sun tftp's its bootfile (in /tftpboot/) which contains minimal services (NFS, bootstrap, etc...). Using NFS (cf. /etc/exports), the Sun loads its kernel and starts operation. CONFIGURATION NOTE: Since Sun 3's use old 4.2BSD networking code, they have the bad habit of broadcasting on .0, not .255 -- this forces you to declare your ethernet configuration as follows: % ifconfig ed0 inet 192.168.1.42 broadcast 192.168.1.0 (Replacing the previous addresses with yours :-) Normally, broadcast should be .255 I. Configuring RARPD The first step, as indicated above, is to setup rarpd to enable Reverse Address Resolution. Do the following: - Edit the file /etc/ethers. It should look like this: # /etc/ethers 10:a5:7a:2b:3:5c myterminal.mydomain.net Where the first field is the ETHERNET address of the Sun -- how do you find out ? It says it at the top of the screen when you power up the Sun. The second field is the fully qualified domain name (FQDN) of the Sun terminal: it must have a corresponding entry in /etc/hosts, which enables the server to map the ethernet address to the IP address: # /etc/hosts 192.168.1.10 myterminal.mydomain.net myterminal The IP address is up to you: if you are connected to other machines on the network, respect the subnet addressing which is yours, and give your X terminal a valid address. Otherwise, just use one of the non-routed (192.168.x.x) addresses. You should then have /etc/rc.local start rarpd on bootup: # /etc/rc.local if [ -x /usr/sbin/rarpd ]; then /usr/sbin/rarpd ed0 fi echo -n ' rarpd' Where ed0 is the name of you ethernet interface. NOTE: Berkeley Packet Filter (BPF) must be configured for RARPD to work. It is also required to use tcpdump(1) -- which will prove very useful during the installation ! II. Configurinf TFTP Then comes the configuration of tftp. To do this, you must make sure that the tftp service is available -- check /etc/inetd.conf for the line: # /etc/inetd.conf tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/libexec/tftpd tftpd TFTPBOOTDIR The last parameter, TFTPBOOTDIR, is optional and is used to indicate the default directory from which tftp gets the requested files. I personally use /tftpboot. If this not already done, uncomment or add the line, and restart inetd: % ps ax | grep inetd 103 ?? Is 0:00.60 inetd % kill -1 103 Make sure that TFTPBOOTDIR exists, and that it contains the Sun's bootfile: % ls -l /tftpboot -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 104048 Nov 14 23:17 C0A8010A.SUN3X* -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 83 Mar 25 23:26 cfg.192.168.1.10 The first file is the Sun bootfile provided with XKernel, which should be renamed as IPADDRESS.ARCH, where IPADDRESS is the IP address assigned to the X terminal, in hexadecimal notation. The cfg file should contain something equivalent: # /tftpboot/cfg.192.168.1.10 rootfs 192.168.1.42:/usr2/export/root/Xkernel hostname myterminal.mydomaine.net The first line tells where the NFS root filesystem of the terminal lies on the server (specified by its IP address and the absolute path). The file system will be mounted Read Only. The second line tells the terminal its hostname. III. Configuring bootparamd Make sure that the following line exists in /etc/inetd.conf: # /etc/inetd.conf bootps dgram udp wait root /usr/libexec/bootpd bootpd /etc/bootptab Like tftp, you have to restart inetd. The file bootptab should look like this: # /etc/bootptab myterminal:\ :ht=ether:\ :ha=10a57a2b35c:\ :sm=255.255.255.0:\ :hn:\ :ds=192.168.1.42:\ :ip=192.168.1.10:\ :gw=192.168.1.42:\ :vm=rfc1048: The lines are as follows: 'myterminal' The terminal's name without the domain name. 'ht=ether' The hardware type of 'ethernet'. 'ha=004001432666' The hardware address (the number noted above). 'sm=255.255.255.0' The subnet mask. 'hn' Tells server to send client's hostname to the client. 'ds=192.168.1.42' Tells the client who the domain server is. 'ip=192.168.1.10' Tells the client what it's IP address is. 'gw=192.168.1.42' Tells the client what the default gateway is. 'vm=...' Just leave it there... IV. NFS setup The NFS configuration is pretty straightforward: - Make sure you have NFS configured in the kernel :-) (or that you have the corresponding LKM available in /lkm) - Edit /etc/sysconfig: # /etc/sysconfig # Set to YES if this machine will be an NFS server nfs_server=YES - Edit or create /etc/exports: # /etc/exports /usr2/export/root/Xkernel -maproot=0:0 myterminal.mydomain.net This is to specify that /usr2/export/root/Xkernel is the filesystem to be exported via NFS, for myterminal.mydomain.net. As the XKernel package indicates, this directory should contain all the files needed for the Sun to run. Here is a typical installation: % ls -lg /usr2/export/root/Xkernel lrwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 10 Mar 30 02:01 Xsun@ -> Xsuns/Xsun drwxr-sr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 16 23:49 Xsuns/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1536 Nov 16 23:49 dev/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 16 23:49 etc/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 16 23:49 sbin/ -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 86 Nov 18 17:50 startx* drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 512 Nov 16 23:49 usr/ -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 279 Oct 17 1993 version lrwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 12 Mar 30 02:01 vmunix@ -> vmunix.sun3x -rw-r--r-- 1 root bin 587078 Nov 16 22:32 vmunix.sun3x -rw-r--r-- 1 root staff 659816 Nov 14 23:08 vmunix.sun3x.all V. Configuring Xdm and Xfs. This is pretty much explained in the XKernel documentation -- remember to READ THE MAN PAGES ! RELATED FILES, by section: MANPAGES: FILES: tcpdump(1) xdm(1) /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/... xfs(1) ethers(5) /etc/ethers exports(5) /etc/exports hosts(5) /etc/hosts rarpd(8) /tftpboot /etc/ethers /etc/hosts tftpd(8) bootpd(8) /usr/libexec/bootpd ADDITIONAL FILES: /etc/inetd.conf /etc/services Okay, from here on, most of the stuff you need is in the XKernel documentation. Hopefully in the near future, I'll write up some installation scripts for everything, and make a package. -- - [ regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net / +48.8N+2.3E / +33 1 4507 9391 / Sol 3 ] - - [ regnauld@freenix.fr / FreeBSD 2.x / ] - "Le schtroumpf est à l'homme ce que le bleu est au billard" - F.Berjon From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 07:30:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA10383 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:30:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA10348 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA00740; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:29:57 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:29:57 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603301529.KAA00740@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Sujal Patel "Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare)" (Mar 29, 23:57) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Sujal Patel Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel stands accused of saying: } Date: Mar 29, 23:57 } Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) } On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: } } > > USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's } > > exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD } > > and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a minor } > } > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. } } We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish } copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there } is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so } we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted } horrible mess... } } } Sujal } }-- End of excerpt from Sujal Patel Perhaps we can treat the sound system as a port? -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 07:39:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA10922 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA10902 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05679; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:39:18 -0800 (PST) To: Sujal Patel cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:57:57 EST." Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:39:18 -0800 Message-ID: <5677.828200358@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted > horrible mess... Sounds good to me! Any takers? :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 07:43:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11079 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:43:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11069 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:43:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05698; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:42:42 -0800 (PST) To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 06:35:34 GMT." <11732.828167734@critter.tfs.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:42:42 -0800 Message-ID: <5696.828200562@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I still remain to be convinced that we even need this. As others have said, his inability to even accept contributions from other people on this make it seem like a true dead-end. I wouldn't waste my time, especially given that ports that modify the kernel are somewhat rare and I'm not even sure that it's a precedent that Satoshi wishes to set! :-) Jordan > > > > In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. > > > > > > It could be, it just wouldn't be in the GENERIC kernel... > > > > I'd still rather not. These license restrictions make the GPL look > > like a public domain copyright! > > Ok, somebody better make it a port then... > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. > http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. > whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, In c. > Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 07:48:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11411 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA11397 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:48:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA00885; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:48:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:48:11 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603301548.KAA00885@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare)" (Mar 30, 7:39) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" stands accused of saying: } Date: Mar 30, 7:39 } Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) } > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish } > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there } > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so } > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted } > horrible mess... } } Sounds good to me! Any takers? :-) } } Jordan }-- End of excerpt from "Jordan K. Hubbard" Wow!!! VERY bad idea!! This will just create more incompatablities! -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 07:56:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA11889 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA11882 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA05729; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) To: Sujal Patel cc: Darren Davis , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 03:29:36 EST." Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:55:23 -0800 Message-ID: <5727.828201323@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ummm.. Something is wrong :) I get no Java Applets either (using a make > install from Jordan's port)... Darren are you running -current? Jordan > do you have Java working? This is very strange. I can tell you exactly what the sequence of events was in my installation of that port: 1. Fetch the tar file. Contemplate unpacking and installing it by hand but decide "no, wait, I might as well just create a port for this right here and now instead." 2. Move the tar file to the distfiles directory and clone the netscape2 port as netscape3 (the missing "fetch" step here is why I blew the initial path to the tarball, which Satoshi fixed - whoops!). 3. Fix the new netscape3 port to DTRT for the slightly different structure of the new port - mainly just change "hot-convert.sh" to "moz3_0.zip" since the hot-convert script was gone and the moz3_0.zip file added. 4. Make install. Yow - it worked! 5. Visit http://java.sun.com and run all the applets there. Yow, they work too! 6. Import the port. I'm running 2.2-current; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? Jordan > > Here's what I found out: > > 1- moz_blah.zip is in the correct place, because deleteing it causes > netscape to complain about it missing. > 2- Java Applets attempt to start (I get subprocess diagnostics as always) > > > Sujal > > PS: BTW, has anyone else noticed that the BSDI binary launches much > faster- and maybe performs better than the Linux one? Do we demand page > Linux a.out binaries? > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 08:01:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12098 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12093 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:01:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA00964; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:59:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Darren Davis , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: <5727.828201323@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > I'm running 2.2-current; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? -current March ~20 running here The Netscape3 binary is statically linked against libc (apparently)... How for have has our path and BSD/OS's path diverged? [I need a working ktrace, to go further, I'll sup to today's current and report back later today] Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 08:07:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12301 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12296 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:07:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05779; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:06:11 -0800 (PST) To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "30 Mar 1996 10:02:16 GMT." <4jj0r8$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:06:11 -0800 Message-ID: <5777.828201971@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > oh no - please no more incomaptibelities - i don't see the problem - we would > not put it into GENERIC and anybody may use it if he recompiles it in which w e > may describe very clear in the handbook - anybody who wanted to use FreeBSD i n > an commercial fashian may may licence the commercial version of uss (like don e > for instance with the xinside xserver in some linux distribs) - but i would Sorry, but the copyright on this is simply egregious and I hardly wish to encourage that kind of double-edged copyright in our source tree. The source is free but any binary I make I can't give to another person? Geeze, talk about the GPL's evil twin! Whatever happened to "give the person a binary AND the source" as reasonable conditions? Yes, we could certainly avoid putting this in GENERIC but then that would utterly defeat our goals of making FreeBSD a complete multimedia system out of the box. I can think of nothing worse than application writers starting to depend on USS, requiring a whole new generation of users to become kernel hackers just to mate the two code bases by hand (since WE would not be allowed to do so). They may do this anyway, but if it's not FreeBSD's default sound driver then we at least have some small chance of people continuing to support TASD in order to run their apps on FreeBSD and we don't have any of this merge crap to deal with. I will fight the inclusion of USS all the way. Frankly, its ridiculously byzantine "brick in a velvet glove" license makes me nauseous. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 08:16:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA12988 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12950 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:15:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05836; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:15:27 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Green cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:48:11 EST." <199603301548.KAA00885@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 08:15:27 -0800 Message-ID: <5834.828202527@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Wow!!! VERY bad idea!! This will just create more incompatablities! With *what*, Charles? The "mainstream development?" There ain't no such animal since our Finnish friend took himself out of the game with his decision to switch to USS and that crazy copyright. We're on our own, and the USS copyright doesn't even allow us to contribute changes back if we wanted to somehow twist ourselves into pretzels to accomodate it. Sorry, I remain very firmly opposed and back Sujal's suggestion 100%. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 09:15:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA17988 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:15:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17980 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:15:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00240; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:15:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Charles Green cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-Reply-To: <199603301548.KAA00885@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Charles Green wrote: > } > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish > } > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there > } > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so > } > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted > } > horrible mess... > } > } Sounds good to me! Any takers? :-) > > Wow!!! VERY bad idea!! This will just create more incompatablities! The API to USS can't really be covered by that copyright, so we won't have any incompatibilty problems. If we develop the sound driver independantly, then we can still stay 100% compatible with USS Lite. I really have to agree with Jordan that incorporating USS Lite would be a mistake. Since Hannu is now working for ForeFront(sp?) Technologies, I think we should just consider USS to be a "lost cause" for the base kernel. Forefront will still have the FreeBSD version of USS available, and if they are really commited to provide a USS Lite "Try it before you buy it" version, then they will provide it. Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 09:22:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA18510 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18505 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:22:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00272; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:21:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:21:49 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Thomas Graichen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-Reply-To: <5777.828201971@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Sorry, but the copyright on this is simply egregious and I hardly wish to > encourage that kind of double-edged copyright in our source tree. The > source is free but any binary I make I can't give to another person? > Geeze, talk about the GPL's evil twin! Whatever happened to "give the > person a binary AND the source" as reasonable conditions? >From what I understand from Hannu's Web Page, USS is now a commerical product, and Hannu is payed by the company that makes USS. I'm sure that Hannu is forced to use this licence agreement, so that users that don't like to "compile" things will need to buy the real USS LKM version of the sound drivers (thus no binary distribution is allowed). > I will fight the inclusion of USS all the way. I'm behind you 100% on this.. We may also want to consider possible inclusion of the NetBSD Sound code, if it's USS API compatible (or can be mangled to be compatable). > Frankly, its ridiculously byzantine "brick in a velvet glove" license > makes me nauseous. You really can't blame Hannu for this though. He has to feed his kids too you know :-) Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 09:32:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20086 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20079 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:32:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00232; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:43 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Netscape 3.0b2 Status Report Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk 1: The BSD/OS binary does not run Java Applets or Show the Java Console. 2: The Linux Binary also fails on both NetBSD & FreeBSD Can someone with a working ktrace wanna mail me output of: ktrace -d -i -tci netscape java.sun.com [Using 3.0b2 BSD/OS Binary, exit after the page draws please] I'm gonna give up for now... Jordan can verify again please that java.sun.com shows the little animated java on the bottom? Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:05:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22108 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RICH.ISDN.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22094 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:05:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.250.37]) by rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA06359; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:05:26 -0600 Received: (rich@localhost) by richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA01960; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:05:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:05:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199603301805.MAA01960@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: smpatel@wam.umd.edu, DARREND@novell.com, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <5727.828201323@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" |1. Fetch the tar file. Contemplate unpacking and installing it by hand | but decide "no, wait, I might as well just create a port for this right | here and now instead." | |2. Move the tar file to the distfiles directory and clone the netscape2 | port as netscape3 (the missing "fetch" step here is why I blew the | initial path to the tarball, which Satoshi fixed - whoops!). | |3. Fix the new netscape3 port to DTRT for the slightly different structure | of the new port - mainly just change "hot-convert.sh" to "moz3_0.zip" | since the hot-convert script was gone and the moz3_0.zip file added. | |4. Make install. Yow - it worked! | |5. Visit http://java.sun.com and run all the applets there. Yow, they | work too! | |6. Import the port. | |I'm running 2.2-current; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? I had the same success under FreeBSD-stable, though I installed it manually. Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:14:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA22783 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:14:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA22778 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA01406; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:14:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:14:36 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603301814.NAA01406@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: Sujal Patel "Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare)" (Mar 30, 12:15) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Sujal Patel Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I can agree with keeping the old version (3.5?). But is it particularly necessary to continue a separate developement? This could result in diverging APIs. I understand that the idea is to keep the same API but people's best intentions have a tendancy to get lost. Hanuu will add a feature, the FreeBSD developer says "Hey, we don't need that. But we do need xxxx". Now we have two different diverging APIs. Not to mention adding more work for someone out there in FreeBSD land. What I suggest, if possible, create a port to add support for USS Lite. There has to be a compromise, somewhere. I really don't think we should just say "We will NEVER use it!". That's like cutting your nose off to spite your face. Perhaps we should consult Hannu before continuing this debate? After all, there are no commercial incarnations of FreeBSD. -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:18:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23083 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23076 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:18:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA06207; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:18:01 -0800 (PST) To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@freebsd.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 Status Report In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:43 EST." Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:18:01 -0800 Message-ID: <6205.828209881@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm gonna give up for now... Jordan can verify again please that > java.sun.com shows the little animated java on the bottom? It does indeed! When I click on it, it stops. Click again and it starts again. Seems to work just fine?! :-( Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:23:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23395 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:23:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23389 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:23:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA01443; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:23:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:23:27 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603301823.NAA01443@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare)" (Mar 30, 8:06) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" stands accused of saying: } Date: Mar 30, 8:06 } Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) } } I will fight the inclusion of USS all the way. Frankly, its } ridiculously byzantine "brick in a velvet glove" license makes me } nauseous. } Please don't get me wrong on this, although I support working out some kind of compromise, I don't support the copywrite. I see what he's trying to do. He doesn't want anyone distributing binaries around because if they want binaries they should get the commercial version. To be honest if we boycot the distribution, I doubt he'll loose to much sleep. So who gets punished? } } Jordan }-- End of excerpt from "Jordan K. Hubbard" -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:26:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23664 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA23655 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA01458; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:26:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:26:05 -0500 From: Charles Green Message-Id: <199603301826.NAA01458@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply" (Mar 30, 7:55) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm running 2.1 -Stable and netscape 3.0 (and applets) are running fine! "Jordan K. Hubbard" stands accused of saying: } Date: Mar 30, 7:55 } Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply } > Ummm.. Something is wrong :) I get no Java Applets either (using a make } > install from Jordan's port)... Darren are you running -current? Jordan } > do you have Java working? } } This is very strange. I can tell you exactly what the sequence of } events was in my installation of that port: } } 1. Fetch the tar file. Contemplate unpacking and installing it by hand } but decide "no, wait, I might as well just create a port for this right } here and now instead." } } 2. Move the tar file to the distfiles directory and clone the netscape2 } port as netscape3 (the missing "fetch" step here is why I blew the } initial path to the tarball, which Satoshi fixed - whoops!). } } 3. Fix the new netscape3 port to DTRT for the slightly different structure } of the new port - mainly just change "hot-convert.sh" to "moz3_0.zip" } since the hot-convert script was gone and the moz3_0.zip file added. } } 4. Make install. Yow - it worked! } } 5. Visit http://java.sun.com and run all the applets there. Yow, they } work too! } } 6. Import the port. } } I'm running 2.2-current; I wonder if that has anything to do with it? } } Jordan } } > } > Here's what I found out: } > } > 1- moz_blah.zip is in the correct place, because deleteing it causes } > netscape to complain about it missing. } > 2- Java Applets attempt to start (I get subprocess diagnostics as always) } > } > } > Sujal } > } > PS: BTW, has anyone else noticed that the BSDI binary launches much } > faster- and maybe performs better than the Linux one? Do we demand page } > Linux a.out binaries? } > } }-- End of excerpt from "Jordan K. Hubbard" -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:28:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA23905 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23886 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from donna.cylatech.com (cmh-p113.infinet.com [206.103.242.119]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19755; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:23:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <315D7D3D.7B317A17@cylatech.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:28:13 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" CC: Sujal Patel , Darren Davis , hackers@freebsd.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply References: <5727.828201323@time.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is truely strange. Like Jodran, the New Netscape works fine on the first try... I'm running 2.1 Release. I untar the thing. (the file with .gz compression if that makes any difference. It's always possible that the .Z one is corrupted I suppose....) I then copy netscape to /usr/local/bin, make a link for /usr/X11 to /usr/X11R6 so I can put the nls where Netscape wants it. I then put moz3_0.zip in /usr/local/netscape/java/classes fired it up, point it to java.sun.com, everything works fine on the first try... -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 10:59:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27531 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27526 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 10:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id UAA19327 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:15:46 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199603291915.UAA19327@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: DIskless question To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:15:45 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am in the need of using the diskless code for a bunch of clients with different WD/NE2000 configurations (ioaddr & irq). Since the if_ed driver cannot find out the ioaddr and irq autonomously, I am forced to use different kernels to do the job. The NETBOOT rom (which I modified slightly) can find out these information, or can get them from the config file, but there is no way to pass these info to the kernel before it tries to mount the root fs (well, there should be a way, because the kernel looks for ed0..ed9, but it is a gross hack in my opinion. Another gross hack is to modify the rom to boot with RB_CONFIG set -- have done it but it is not convenient at all, plus the work is lost at every reboot). I have the following alternatives in mind: + add a couple of additional fields in the nfs_diskless structure, and change something in the kernel routines to patch the driver's parameter appropriately. But I am a bit afraid of changing the structure definition because I don't know if this is going to break things somewhere else (e.g. in the bootblocks). + modify the netboot program so as to patch the parameters into the freshly-loaded kernel. In a way, this could act the same as the manual configuration, except that the parameters are supplied via the configuration file. Any ideas on what could be the less intrusive way to allow different system configurations share the same kernel image ? Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 11:01:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA27775 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA27762 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:01:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA06394; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:00:38 -0800 (PST) To: Charles Green cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:23:27 EST." <199603301823.NAA01443@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:00:38 -0800 Message-ID: <6391.828212438@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > To be honest if we boycot the distribution, I doubt he'll loose > to much sleep. So who gets punished? I'm sorry if the strength of my reaction suggested that this is simply a "punishment" maneuver. It's not important to me that he lose sleep over anything, and as Sujal has pointed out it's probably not even his decision - he's working for a commercial org now and they're calling the shots. It's simply a fact that these new restrictions make our goals and his incompatible now, and we therefore need to go our separate ways. Considering the fact that we don't even know whether USS truly has anything to offer us which can't be gotten with the previous generation of the code (which our developers will also have complete freedom to improve), I think that an impassioned defense is also somewhat premature. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 11:07:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28728 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28721 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA06421; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) To: Wilson MacGyver cc: Sujal Patel , Darren Davis , hackers@freebsd.org, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:28:13 EST." <315D7D3D.7B317A17@cylatech.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:05:52 -0800 Message-ID: <6419.828212752@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is truely strange. Like Jodran, the New Netscape works > fine on the first try... Can some other folks here try the new port and let me know if it's a simple: cd /usr/ports/x11/netscape3 make all install Step? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 11:39:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02637 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02627 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:39:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA00802; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com Subject: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The new Netscape browser does not run in 8bpp.. Thanks for Matt Mead for this information... He reports it works in 16bpp mode, but I have had no such success (anyone else?). I wish we would have gotten a error message, instead of this silent death :-( Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 11:54:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA04532 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:54:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04470 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 11:54:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from donna.cylatech.com (cmh-p113.infinet.com [206.103.242.119]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22910; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:49:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <315D917A.5B944218@cylatech.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:54:34 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Dell EIDE drive data corruption with FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk A while ago, I rememeber someone posted something about it. I think the machine in question was a Dell P75 with EIDE drive, Was a solution found? -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:05:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05900 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RICH.ISDN.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05884 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (root@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu [128.249.250.37]) by rich.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA06722; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:05:33 -0600 Received: (rich@localhost) by richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00476; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:05:32 -0600 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:05:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199603302005.OAA00476@richc.isdn.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: smpatel@wam.umd.edu CC: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com In-reply-to: (message from Sujal Patel on Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:39:44 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:39:44 -0500 (EST) |From: Sujal Patel |cc: hackers@freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com | | |The new Netscape browser does not run in 8bpp.. Thanks for Matt Mead for |this information... He reports it works in 16bpp mode, but I have had no |such success (anyone else?). Yep, 16bpp is what I'm running it under successfully. Rich From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:23:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA07882 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07858 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09593; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:19:58 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603302019.NAA09593@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: list of supported notebooks To: br@netland.sub.de (Bernd Rosauer) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:19:58 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603300713.IAA00371@stiller.netland.sub.de> from "Bernd Rosauer" at Mar 30, 96 08:13:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > The usual reply is "1. Check the hardware specs of the notebook. > 2. Check the list of supported hardware of a) *BSD, b) XFree86, > and c) whatsoever" mostly followed by a statement like "the driver > for *** is in current development". > > It might be of help for the people who are asking for advice but > in the long run it is somewhat disappointing for those watching > what is going on. Additionally, twice a year, the manufactures > put new models on the market. Thus, who could keep up? > > In my opinion it would be nice to have a list of "successful > installations" telling who runs which *BSD and which applications > on which brand and model of notebook and what he/she did to make > it work. Although I am short of time and surely do lack some > expertise I would volunteer for compiling and posting such a list > on a regular basis if we could develop and agree on a form asking > the relevant questions which the notebook owners simply could fill > in. > > Any suggestions? >From my experience, "in current developement" means that it works, but the code has not been integrated into the main line source base. For instance, Nate Williams has working APM (power management) for suspend/resume. HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi has long been working on PCMCIA, and if you follow his announcements in the lists and the news groups, you know that the disk are available for download. There are five PCIC bridge chipsets, three of which are compatible, two of which are no longer used, and the third used by Epson or Olivetti (I forget which). There is support for the largest family of bridge chipsets, but not the others. Here is a partial reprise: Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. ============================================================================= ] You can install FreeBSD 2.1.0R with various PCMCIA Ethernet cards, ] PCMICA modem cards, and *CD-ROMs over PCMCIA SCSI cards* !! ] ] You can get it from, ] ] ftp://bash.cc.keio.ac.jp/pub/os/FreeBSD/alpha-test/pccard-flp/pccard-flp-960211.tar.gz ] ] [CAUTION]: We are not responsible for the proper functioning of it, ] and we are not responsible for damages incurred with its use. ] ] Currently this floppy supports: ] ] Machines: ] Laptops with Intel i82365SL or compatible PCICs (Cirrus Logic, ] VLSI, Vadem, etc.) ] ] PCMCIA Cards: ] Ethernet: ] IBM PCMCIA Ethernet I/II ] Accton? UE2212 (Very Slow) ] Accton EN2212 (Very Slow) ] 3Com Etherlink III 3C589B, 3C589C ] Farallon EtherMac ] Fujitsu MBH10302 ] NextCom J Link NC5310 ] FAX/Modem: ] Megahertz XJ1144 ] Megahertz XJ2144 ] Megahertz XJ2144J ] Megahertz XJ2288 ] Omron ME2814 FAX/DATA MODEM (IRQ 3) ] Omron MD24XCA FAX/Data Modem ] TDK DF1414 FAX/Data Modem ] TDK DF1414EX FAX/Data Modem ] NewMedia 14.4K FAX/Data Modem ] PREMAX FM288 FAX/Data Modem ] Novalink NovaModem 144 ] US Robotics Sportster PCMCIA V.34 (IRQ 3) ] US Robotics COURIER PCMCIA V.34 (IRQ 3) ] Xircom CreditCard Ethernet+Modem (Modem only !!!, IRQ 3) ] GATEWAY 2000 FAX/Data Modem (14.4K) ] ISDN: ] BUG Linkboy D64K ] Digital Cellular: ] NTT DoCoMo DATA/FAX Adapter ] SCSI: ] Adaptec SlimSCSI APA-1460 (IRQ 5) ] NewMedia BusToaster ] RATOC REX-5535AC ] RATOC REX-5535AMC ] RATOC REX-5535X ] ] We have not tested it on every card. These cards witout "(IRQ x)" ] uses IRQ 10 or IRQ 11. Please confirm that your machine does not use ] IRQ 10 or IRQ 11 before installation. I'm not sure whether this ] floppy can drive the cards whose IRQ is 3 properly. ] ] The pccard driver is based on "pccard-test" package 960207-alpha ] release. If you want to read the source of this floppy, please wait ] for the next release of "pccard-test" package. If you need it ASAP, ] please e-mail me about it. ] -- ] HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp ] WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html ] Department of Computer Science, Keio University, Yokohama, Japan ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:32:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08604 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08569 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from donna.cylatech.com (cmh-p113.infinet.com [206.103.242.119]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA24556; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:27:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <315D9A4A.4586C55C@cylatech.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:32:10 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sujal Patel CC: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel wrote: > > The new Netscape browser does not run in 8bpp.. Thanks for Matt Mead for > this information... He reports it works in 16bpp mode, but I have had no > such success (anyone else?). > > I wish we would have gotten a error message, instead of this silent death > :-( That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including the Java applets. -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:32:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08643 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sxt2.space.lockheed.com (sxt2.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA08637 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by sxt2.space.lockheed.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10082; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:26:34 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:26:34 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: <6419.828212752@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Can some other folks here try the new port and let me know if it's > a simple: > > cd /usr/ports/x11/netscape3 > make all install > > Step? /usr/ports/www/netscape3. I just did this on my -current machine, it works fine. I have a nice steaming cup of coffee on my java.sun.com page. Brian From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:35:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA08928 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA08923 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id PAA02688; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:35:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:35:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: <6419.828212752@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > This is truely strange. Like Jodran, the New Netscape works > > fine on the first try... > > Can some other folks here try the new port and let me know if it's > a simple: > > cd /usr/ports/x11/netscape3 > make all install > > Step? > Just did it, and it installed fine. Still can't get a java applet to actually work, but it installed fine. Can you give a complete URL of an applet that supposedly works? I'm hitting the ones at http://www.javasoft.com/applets/applets.html, and none that I can find work :( System is a 2.1-STABLE machine thanks... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:36:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09032 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09025 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02009; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:36:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:36:34 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Wilson MacGyver cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , DARREND@novell.com, mmead@glock.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: <315D9A4A.4586C55C@cylatech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wilson MacGyver wrote: > That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in > 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including > the Java applets. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with the XF86_S3 X server. I can't imagine it's anything but the Xserver (or something that's affecting the way my Xserver is performing). I've tried a netscape3.0 back to my display from multiple systems with different OSes and have had no luck. Matt: Can you find out the details of the other system that failed to run Java apps, please? Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:40:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09174 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:40:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from DeepCore.dk (aalb9.pip.dknet.dk [194.192.0.169]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09135 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by DeepCore.dk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00328; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:21:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199603301621.RAA00328@DeepCore.dk> Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) To: smpatel@wam.umd.edu (Sujal Patel) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:21:47 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Sujal Patel" at Mar 29, 96 11:57:57 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.org Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Sujal Patel who wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > >>> USS Lite is a freeware version of the full UNIX Sound System. In short it's >>> exactly the same than current TASD 3.5 which is available for Linux, FreeBSD >>> and BSD/OS 2.1. The only difference between TASD and USS Lite will be a min >> >> In other words, this driver will NEVER be incorporated into FreeBSD. My words exactly... Well, I think we have been bitten by one of those that does freeware as a "holy cow", when everybody is turned into belivers, you start milking the cow :(, not my idea of free software... > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted > horrible mess... Yep, lets clean up this mess, then we can always add any new features this "bright" guy invents ourselves.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:44:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09365 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09359 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09662; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:41:43 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603302041.NAA09662@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) To: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu (Charles Green) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:41:43 -0700 (MST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603301548.KAA00885@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "Charles Green" at Mar 30, 96 10:48:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > } > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish > } > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there > } > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so > } > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted > } > horrible mess... > } > } Sounds good to me! Any takers? :-) > } > } Jordan > > Wow!!! VERY bad idea!! This will just create more incompatablities! I agree. While we are at it, we should just all go to SVR4, since developing a free OS (because we are disgruntled with the limitations on research and the slow speed of bug fixes) just creates more incompatabilities! In case you didn't recognize that, let me translate: relying on code which is not freely distributable under UCB-style license for *anything* people consider a key system component is a >*BAD*< thing. It is diametrically opposed to the philosophies behind FreeBSD (and NetBSD and OpenBSD, for that matter). This is also the reason for opposition to GPL and LGPL code in system critical components. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:47:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09471 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09464 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09686; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:44:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603302044.NAA09686@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:44:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <4jj0r8$1mv@mordillo.physik.fu-berlin.de> from "Thomas Graichen" at Mar 30, 96 10:02:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > oh no - please no more incomaptibelities - i don't see the problem - we would > not put it into GENERIC and anybody may use it if he recompiles it in which we > may describe very clear in the handbook - anybody who wanted to use FreeBSD in > an commercial fashian may may licence the commercial version of uss (like done > for instance with the xinside xserver in some linux distribs) - but i would > totally vote against doing our own thing on sond - i think uss may become > somekind of sound standard in the unix world - and the source _is_ _free_ - if > we go our own way in some months no of the sound apps for linux/bsdi will work > with FreeBSD - _please_ stay at uss - everything else would be a bad decision > in my opinon The problem is that, under these new terms, FreeBSD can't maintain its philosophy and come with a sound driver. Under the old terms, it can. It seems like an easy call to me. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 12:57:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA09898 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA09891 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:56:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09714; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:53:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603302053.NAA09714@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) To: green@fang.cs.sunyit.edu (Charles Green) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:53:28 -0700 (MST) Cc: smpatel@wam.umd.edu, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199603301814.NAA01406@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "Charles Green" at Mar 30, 96 01:14:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ok, I can agree with keeping the old version (3.5?). But is it > particularly necessary to continue a separate developement? This could > result in diverging APIs. I understand that the idea is to keep the same > API but people's best intentions have a tendancy to get lost. Hanuu will > add a feature, the FreeBSD developer says "Hey, we don't need that. But we > do need xxxx". Now we have two different diverging APIs. Not to mention > adding more work for someone out there in FreeBSD land. > What I suggest, if possible, create a port to add support for USS > Lite. There has to be a compromise, somewhere. I really don't think we > should just say "We will NEVER use it!". That's like cutting your nose > off to spite your face. A port or a package? Remember that it is impossible to distribute a precompiled LKM under the new terms. > Perhaps we should consult Hannu before continuing this debate? > After all, there are no commercial incarnations of FreeBSD. What happens when there are? I know that much of the code is seeing commercial use in bits and pieces elsewhere. Much of my FS work is a side effect of work I am paid for by my employer (we've ported the Heidemann FS framework to Windows 95), and I would be suprised if some of the networking code weren't in the same boat. Certainly, the free install comes from work Jordan gets paid for, directly or indirectly, by Walnut Creek. Just because there is not a commercial distribution, like Caldera's Linux (or there isn't yet, anway), doesn't mean that we should back ourselves into a corner prohibiting something like that *ever* happening by making a compromize agreement with Hannu to get wider distribution rights. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:00:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10111 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10096 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09727; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:57:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199603302057.NAA09727@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Dell EIDE drive data corruption with FreeBSD? To: macgyver@infinet.com (Wilson MacGyver) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:57:11 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <315D917A.5B944218@cylatech.com> from "Wilson MacGyver" at Mar 30, 96 02:54:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > A while ago, I rememeber someone posted something about it. > I think the machine in question was a Dell P75 with EIDE drive, > > Was a solution found? Is this the flawed IDE chipset that loses data if you interleave I/O? If so, the answer is to change your CMOS settings. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:02:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10190 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from neon.Glock.COM (neon.glock.com [198.82.228.159]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10176 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by neon.Glock.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08607; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199603302101.QAA08607@neon.Glock.COM> Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! To: smpatel@wam.umd.edu (Sujal Patel) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:01:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: macgyver@infinet.com, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com, hackers@freebsd.org, dlacroix@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu In-Reply-To: from "Sujal Patel" at Mar 30, 96 03:36:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel writes: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wilson MacGyver wrote: > > That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in > > 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including > > the Java applets. > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH > Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with > the XF86_S3 X server. > I can't imagine it's anything but the Xserver (or something that's > affecting the way my Xserver is performing). I've tried a netscape3.0 > back to my display from multiple systems with different OSes and have had > no luck. > Matt: Can you find out the details of the other system that failed to run > Java apps, please? Ok, from the person experiencing the problem, I found out that he's running XF86_S3. He has even tried the 3.1.2D server version with no luck. HOWEVER, running netscape from his machine displaying remotely to an 8bpp X Terminal (DEC) works fine! His roommate tried loading Accelerated X 1.3 at 8bpp on an ATI Mach64 card and got the same failures. Apparently there seems to be a message that comes up every time that the Java stuff fails: "can't allocate background color." Hope this information helps. -matt PS - I've added the owner of the other system to the CC list, please keep him in the loop as well. -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:02:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10242 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:02:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10224 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:02:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA00782; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:00:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199603302100.NAA00782@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: Sujal Patel , Charles Green , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 07:39:18 PST." <5677.828200358@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:00:09 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have the latest TASD 3.5 from Hannu if anyone is interested just drop me a note. Amancio >>> "Jordan K. Hubbard" said: > > We should probably just go with TASD 3.5 which is under a BSDish > > copyright and then develop sound ourselves from here on. At least there > > is one bright side to this, we can finally clean up some of the sources so > > we don't have #ifdef LINUX #ifdef SYSV #ifdef SCO #BSDI, and the assorted > > horrible mess... > > Sounds good to me! Any takers? :-) > > Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:04:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10384 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10377 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id VAA02666; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:45:14 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00528; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:39:53 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:39:51 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 Status Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > > 1: The BSD/OS binary does not run Java Applets or Show the Java Console. > 2: The Linux Binary also fails on both NetBSD & FreeBSD > > Can someone with a working ktrace wanna mail me output of: > ktrace -d -i -tci netscape java.sun.com > [Using 3.0b2 BSD/OS Binary, exit after the page draws please] > > I'm gonna give up for now... Jordan can verify again please that > java.sun.com shows the little animated java on the bottom? The BSDI version runs here on a very -current system flawlessly. Did you remove all old stuff ??? nls dir, mozXXX.zip, ... ? Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMV2cGPMLpmkD/U+FAQEKkQQAwizuoEbiv2ipGt7VjY+FAdwAFTU7u5+d eJ3XWbPcuCjGiuxqhZ0zlJPPIr7eApZyqTR2vULTNA0I7HovHbj9/Sm6UW6kO3cp Shsqf1lI9X1dDL6EotYvf5veioWIcW6Dnm3eq1fjWqCoAuMpfwQuZbgFqfn1F7YY fm89LPdF5pQ= =TsBy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:11:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10731 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10711 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA00927; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:10:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199603302110.NAA00927@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: UNIX Sound SystemTM (USS) Lite (Formerly VoxWare) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:04:18 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:10:03 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Sujal Patel said: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > I have the latest TASD 3.5 from Hannu if anyone is interested just > > drop me a note. > > Could you put it up for ftp on rah please? > > > Sujal > Done! ftp://rah.star-gate.com:/pub/tasd-3.5-bsd.tar.gz Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:11:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10778 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10771 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:11:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id QAA03485; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:11:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:11:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wilson MacGyver wrote: > > > That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in > > 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including > > the Java applets. > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with > the XF86_S3 X server. > > I can't imagine it's anything but the Xserver (or something that's > affecting the way my Xserver is performing). I've tried a netscape3.0 > back to my display from multiple systems with different OSes and have had > no luck. > > Matt: Can you find out the details of the other system that failed to run > Java apps, please? > Its not working over here either. I'm running the standard X with -stable (X11R6...XFree?) on an ATI Mach64 4MB VRAM PCI Video card. Netscape 3.0 comes up, but applets don't work. Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:18:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA11204 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA11192 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA01068; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:17:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199603302117.NAA01068@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Sujal Patel cc: Wilson MacGyver , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , DARREND@novell.com, mmead@Glock.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:36:34 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:17:17 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> Sujal Patel said: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wilson MacGyver wrote: > > > That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in > > 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including > > the Java applets. > > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH > > Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with > the XF86_S3 X server. > > I can't imagine it's anything but the Xserver (or something that's > affecting the way my Xserver is performing). I've tried a netscape3.0 > back to my display from multiple systems with different OSes and have had > no luck. > > Matt: Can you find out the details of the other system that failed to run > Java apps, please? It runs well on XFree86-3.1.2D and my Diamond S3 968 based card I tried the following depths 8bpp 16bpp 24bpp If you have problems in 16bpp try 15bpp Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 13:59:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA14217 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from tippy.vnet.net (tippy.vnet.net [166.82.197.240]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14204 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 13:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.vnet.net (8.7.5/8.6.9) id QAA14430; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Madison To: Sujal Patel cc: Wilson MacGyver , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , DARREND@novell.com, mmead@Glock.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with > the XF86_S3 X server. Yes. I believe I'm running in 8bpp also. ================================================================ cmadison@vnet.net | R.I.P TIPPY:'( root@tippy.vnet.net | 6 month remembrance From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 14:03:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14623 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14608 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id WAA18320; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:46:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gun.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00856; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:48:02 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:48:01 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: Sujal Patel cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org, DARREND@novell.com Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > > The new Netscape browser does not run in 8bpp.. Thanks for Matt Mead for > this information... He reports it works in 16bpp mode, but I have had no > such success (anyone else?). > > I wish we would have gotten a error message, instead of this silent death > :-( It's running with -current and in 16bpp mode here. I'm using the S3 Server with a Winner 2000PRO/X 2 MB here. Andreas /// - -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ $$ Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de $$ pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMV2sEvMLpmkD/U+FAQFZOwQAkJlVPfH56mdm7QskaxnfWGkWcAwas7l6 gJKQ+0n79m8O6Fz1Esg3+7JyVE6AsFUr9644MyZ7DVwb5Q5ZCo1T7D+9djURPlGy u0BNg9Psb0SW887J5Gug4ZyctuvX7Ii/kPc5sN94GkgptDIwYRxE9baSo23bqS+Z WS4pQszgSho= =CndX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 14:03:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14651 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [206.153.163.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14635 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.nightflight (laptop [206.153.163.3]) by nightflight.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA21016; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:09:08 -0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960330221353.006b3d60@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:13:53 -0800 To: smpatel@wam.umd.edu From: Gary Crutcher Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! Cc: jkh@freefall.freebsd.org, DARREND@novell.com, mmead@Glock.COM, hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I downloaded the Netscape Navigator Atlas Release 1 (X11) - BSDI version - from Netscape's FTP site and am running 8bpp under AcceleratedX Server and all works fine. Java coffee cup steams, other java scripts work. Is this the same browser everyone else is using? Gary At 03:36 PM 3/30/96 -0500, you wrote: >On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Wilson MacGyver wrote: > >> That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in >> 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including >> the Java applets. > >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH > >Darren are you running 8bpp? Anyone else running this successfully with >the XF86_S3 X server. > >I can't imagine it's anything but the Xserver (or something that's >affecting the way my Xserver is performing). I've tried a netscape3.0 >back to my display from multiple systems with different OSes and have had >no luck. > >Matt: Can you find out the details of the other system that failed to run >Java apps, please? > > >Sujal > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher email: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com 'Flights throughout the Internet' Voice/FAX: 619-631-7885 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 14:20:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA16563 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [165.113.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA16549 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:20:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dg-rtp.dg.com (dg-rtp.rtp.dg.com [128.222.1.2]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28977 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:19:26 -0800 Received: by dg-rtp.dg.com (5.4R3.10/dg-rtp-v02) id AA14824; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:20:05 -0500 Received: from ponds by dg-rtp.dg.com.rtp.dg.com; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:20 EST Received: (rivers@localhost) by ponds.UUCP (8.6.12/8.6.5) id QAA00365; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:41:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:41:36 -0500 From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199603302141.QAA00365@ponds.UUCP> To: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com Subject: SIO lock-ups.. Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok - It's been a while since anyone's heard from me... but I'm once again trying to dig out from under a pile of mail and find time to contribute. Anyway - I've been trying to track down why my serial line locks up when receiving data at 38400 baud. The symptoms are that the modem is pumping bytes to the machine as fast as it can (as evidenced by the RX light) - but nothing is being delivered from the sio driver. Also, I can't get the sio driver to send anything. Until I applied the spl.h fix for getting a better SWI_TTY_MASK, I couldn't do anything after sio locked up except reboot (even with drainwait set to 1.) After the fix, I can kill the process; after a second - it actually dies (that's a big improvement, but I'd still like to receive the data :-) ) Details - this is FreeBSD 2.1-RELEASE, running on a 386DX-33 with a math co-processor, and a 16550A serial. Bruce - do you have any ideas? - Dave Rivers - p.s. If anyone has a suggestion on how to wade through 39meg of mail; *please* let me know :-) At this point mail(1) isn't too wonderful :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 14:48:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18793 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18731 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.5/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id OAA04132 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 14:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id RAA01445; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:33:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Gary Crutcher cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960330221353.006b3d60@nightflight.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Gary Crutcher wrote: > I downloaded the Netscape Navigator Atlas Release 1 (X11) - BSDI version - > from Netscape's FTP site and am running 8bpp under AcceleratedX Server and > all works fine. Java coffee cup steams, other java scripts work. > Is this the same browser everyone else is using? > Yup, its the same one that everyone else is using...or, rather, not using :) Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:03:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19732 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sasami.jurai.net (root@sasami.jurai.net [205.218.122.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19719 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:03:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04834; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:04:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:04:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" X-Sender: winter@sasami To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 Status Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > 1: The BSD/OS binary does not run Java Applets or Show the Java Console. Don't tell that to the one I'm running. I kinda like it when its working. > 2: The Linux Binary also fails on both NetBSD & FreeBSD No idea. | Matthew N. Dodd | winter@jurai.net | http://www.jurai.net/~winter | | Technical Manager | mdodd@intersurf.net | http://www.intersurf.net | | InterSurf Online | "Welcome to the net Sir, would you like a handbasket?"| From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:04:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19861 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19852 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:04:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA00359; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:04:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 [More Info!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Its not working over here either. I'm running the standard X with > -stable (X11R6...XFree?) on an ATI Mach64 4MB VRAM PCI Video card. Netscape > 3.0 comes up, but applets don't work. The problem is definitely the Xserver (or the Xserver's interaction with -current?, or something)... Here is what I did folks: 1: Downloaded Netscape 3.0b2 for OSF/1 2: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to itself (24bpp) 3: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to a NetBSD Box (8bpp) 4: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to my FreeBSD Box (8bpp). The Java apps ran in all cases, except when the display was set to my FreeBSD box... As far as I can tell: XF86_S3, XF86_M64(?) are not working Xaccell, other XF86 3.12 server are working Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:08:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19963 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:08:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from zap.io.org (root@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19958 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:08:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by zap.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA14470; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:08:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zap.io.org: taob owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:08:06 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: Sujal Patel , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > Its not working over here either. I'm running the standard X with > -stable (X11R6...XFree?) on an ATI Mach64 4MB VRAM PCI Video card. Netscape > 3.0 comes up, but applets don't work. FreeBSD 2.1.0R, XF312D (beta Mach64 server), ATI Graphics Pro Turbo, 2MB VRAM, 1280x1024x8bpp mode, running "Netscape Navigator Atlas Preview Release 1" here. The coffee cup animation at java.sun.com works fine for me. I did get a "Could not allocate background colour" error dialog the first time I brought up the Java console, but nothing that caused Netscape to crash. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) System and Network Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:18:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA20758 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20689 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:18:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from p930 (cmh-p111.infinet.com [206.103.242.117]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA00694; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:13:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <315DC137.84D@cylatech.com> Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:18:15 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert CC: Wilson MacGyver , hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dell EIDE drive data corruption with FreeBSD? References: <199603302057.NAA09727@phaeton.artisoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert wrote: > Is this the flawed IDE chipset that loses data if you interleave I/O? > > If so, the answer is to change your CMOS settings. Yes it is, but I thought the FreeBSD IDE driver is not affected by this bug? -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:24:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21380 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21364 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:24:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA26542 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:34 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA15351 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:33 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id XAA04940 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:41:36 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603302241.XAA04940@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:41:36 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603291712.KAA05715@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 29, 96 10:12:25 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > > I don't see any such assumption. I have 3 SCSI controllers: U34F, > > BT445C and SC200. I've only used the U34F with 64/32 geometry. > > The BT445C and the SC200 work with assorted drives in assorted > > translation modes giving 64/32, 128/32 and 255/63 geometries. > > What happens if you turn of translation on the things? (yes, I > know this is not a possibility for Adaptec). I wonder how you wanna turn it off: the SCSI protocol does only know about locical block numbers, so if you wanna interface the drive with some int 0x13 C/H/S value, you always end up with some sort of translation. If you speak directly in SCSI block numbers, nothing will be translated at any time. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:24:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21410 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21393 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA26551; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:43 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA15357; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:42 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id XAA05044; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:54:06 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603302254.XAA05044@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Howto: Sun 3's as X Terminal To: regnauld@tetard.frmug.fr.net (Philippe Regnauld) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:54:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603300138.CAA07829@tetard.frmug.fr.net> from "Philippe Regnauld" at Mar 30, 96 02:38:58 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > In the spirit of what Jerry Kendall wrote some time ago (Diskless FreeBSD), > here's another setup: > > ============= > > FILE: HOWTO > TITLE: Installing a Sun 3/3x as an X Terminal. > DATE: March 29th, 1996 Is anybody going to integrate this into FAQ or handbook? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:25:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21483 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21435 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA26572 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:53 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA15362 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:52 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id XAA04909 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:36:47 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603302236.XAA04909@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: fdisk and partition info To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:36:47 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603290257.TAA04368@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 28, 96 07:57:14 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > "Dangerously dedidcated" is a misnomer. I've always found it annoying. > > What it means is that the second stage (BSD) boot is put in place of > the MBR. For WD1007 with > 1024 cylinders, this shoots down the > "use two partitions to make Bad144 happy with the boot disk" idea That's why it is called ``dangerously'' dedicated: it becomes dangerous for people who don't know what they are doing. > you put forth above (note: this should work, there's no technical > ambiguity preventing it from working, but the current code doesn't > handle that case). Nobody except Terry L. seems to be that much interested in improving support for rather obsolete controllers. Terry L. doesn't seem to be that much interested in modifying the bad144 code to do what he would like to see. The net effect is that nobody changes the bad144 code. > > > geometry [NB: the FReeBSD FDISK should always fill these ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > fields out correctly in any case). > > > > fdisk did always fill out these parameters correctly (or at least, it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > No. I know for a fact that at lease some versions of DOS 2.11 and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > prior did not fill out the 32 bit sector offset field correctly. > Leading Edge was one of the offenders here. Do you realize your problem? You claimed that FreeBSD fdisk should fill these fields correctly, i responded that it does, and you're arguing that some 100-year old DOS fdisk didn't. Sorry, i cannot follow you. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 15:25:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21511 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:25:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21452 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:25:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id AAA26581 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:56 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id AAA15364 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:24:55 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.7.4/8.6.9) id XAA05027 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:52:26 +0100 (MET) From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199603302252.XAA05027@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Help, processes not getting killed when users exit To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:52:26 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199603300835.BAA07024@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Mar 30, 96 01:35:55 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Terry Lambert wrote: > What happens instead on BSD, is that the close of the master causes > a "revoke". Processes that don't trap read returns for EOF will > go into a tight loop; those that do, will exit, just like if BSD > had properly delivered the SIGHUP to the child processes (like > POSIX implies you shouldn't, and like SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, SCO, > Linux, BSDI, Ultrix, OSF/1, SVR3, SVR4, and AIX all do...). Are you absolutely sure about BSDI and Illtrix? It would surprise me for BSDI, and i know it for certain that the old 4.2BSD-based Illtrix did cause us much more gray hairs with this symptom. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:08:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24790 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:08:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hermes.algonet.se (hermes.algonet.se [193.12.207.206]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24779 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from (mal@aristotle.algonet.se [193.12.207.1]) by hermes.algonet.se (8.7.4/hdw.1.0) with ESMTP id BAA06691; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:08:04 +0100 (MET) Received: (mal@localhost) by aristotle.algonet.se (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA11011; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:08:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:08:11 +0100 Message-Id: <199603310008.BAA11011@aristotle.algonet.se> From: Mats Lofkvist To: jkh@time.cdrom.com CC: smpatel@wam.umd.edu, DARREND@novell.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jkh@freefall.freebsd.org In-reply-to: <5727.828201323@time.cdrom.com> (jkh@time.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm also having the problems with java applets. The only clue so far is a "warning: cannot allocate colormap entry for default background" dialog box when I set "show java console" under the options menu. I have no idea what the java console is supposed to look like, can't see anything on screen looking like a java console when I try an applet. The show console options is also always unselected when I restart netscape, even if I select it and then save options. garm>netscape -v Netscape 3.0b2/export, 22-Mar-96; (c) 1995,1996 Netscape Communications Corp. garm>uname -a FreeBSD garm 2.1-STABLE FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #0: Sat Feb 24 22:07:05 MET 1996 mats@garm:/usr/src/sys/compile/GARM i386 _ Mats Lofkvist mal@algonet.se From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:10:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA24949 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zap.io.org (root@zap.io.org [198.133.36.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24932 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (taob@localhost) by zap.io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA17789; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:09:46 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: zap.io.org: taob owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:09:46 -0500 (EST) From: Brian Tao To: Philippe Regnauld cc: hackers Subject: Re: Howto: Sun 3's as X Terminal In-Reply-To: <199603300138.CAA07829@tetard.frmug.fr.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Philippe Regnauld wrote: > > FILE: HOWTO > TITLE: Installing a Sun 3/3x as an X Terminal. > DATE: March 29th, 1996 What incredible timing... our office was in a bit of a panic a few days ago because all of a sudden our Sun 3/xxx terminals all crashed and could not reboot off our FreeBSD server. After over an hour of diagnosing various parts of our software and network hardware, it turned out that tftpd *must* take a directory name argument. I don't know why or how it was working before.... anyhow, I'm glad you covered that point in your FAQ. :) At one point we were using a rescued 486DX4/100 with 16MB of RAM, a 1GB IDE drive and a 3C509 Ethernet to drive five Suns in our customer support department. It was recently upped to 64MB so our staff can run Netscape and xv and various X games without too much grief. ;-) > CONFIGURATION > > NOTE: Since Sun 3's use old 4.2BSD networking code, they have the bad habit > of broadcasting on .0, not .255 -- this forces you to declare your ethernet > configuration as follows: > > % ifconfig ed0 inet 192.168.1.42 broadcast 192.168.1.0 We've got 3/50's, 3/60's and 3/280's here running the Xkernel and our boot server is using .255 as the broadcast address without any apparent trouble. > if [ -x /usr/sbin/rarpd ]; then > /usr/sbin/rarpd ed0 > fi > echo -n ' rarpd' Or just "/usr/sbin/rarpd -a" for all configured interfaces. > The cfg file should contain something equivalent: > > # /tftpboot/cfg.192.168.1.10 > > rootfs 192.168.1.42:/usr2/export/root/Xkernel > hostname myterminal.mydomaine.net We're running bootparamd here instead of bootp, and the equivalent information would go into /etc/bootparams. This saves you having all those files in /tftpboot when you have many X terminals: cringe root=198.133.36.156:/var/export/root/Xkernel.sun3 mince root=198.133.36.156:/var/export/root/Xkernel.sun3 stagger root=198.133.36.156:/var/export/root/Xkernel.sun3 [etc...] > III. Configuring bootparamd I think you mean "bootp" here... I haven't quite grasped the differences between the two, but the setup process is different enough to cause some confusion. "/usr/sbin/bootparamd -s" is run from rc.local here, getting the NFS information from /etc/bootparams. It seems to be easier than configuring bootp's /etc/bootptab file. > V. Configuring Xdm and Xfs. > > This is pretty much explained in the XKernel documentation -- remember to > READ THE MAN PAGES ! This part is fairly straightforward... "/usr/X11R6/bin/xfs -port 7000" is started in /etc/rc.local and our /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers file looks like this: cringe:0 foreign mince:0 foreign stagger:0 foreign [etc...] Works automagically. :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob@io.org) System and Network Administrator, Internex Online Inc. "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:12:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25072 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25034 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id AAA02541 ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:10:22 GMT To: Wilson MacGyver cc: Sujal Patel , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, DARREND@novell.com From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 15:32:10 EST." <315D9A4A.4586C55C@cylatech.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:10:22 +0000 Message-ID: <2539.828231022@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Wilson MacGyver wrote in message ID <315D9A4A.4586C55C@cylatech.com>: > That's not true. My FreeBSD machine use a Tseng 4000 W32 in > 1024x768 at 8 bit mode. The New Netscape works perfectly including > the Java applets. Another datapoint: gary@palmer:~> X -showconfig XFree86 Version 3.1.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6000) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0 Configured drivers: SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): et4000, oti067, oti077, oti087 *>>NO<<* working Java :( I'm going to update to a later version of XFree86 this weekend and see if that makes any difference. Netscape was installed from Jordan's port. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:32:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25765 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:32:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from schwing.ginsu.com (schwing.ginsu.com [205.210.24.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25703 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:32:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from geoff@localhost) by schwing.ginsu.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA29089; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:28:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:28:24 -0500 (EST) From: Geoff Wells To: Sujal Patel cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 [More Info!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just though I'd throw my info on the table. I use a headless FreeBSD box and an Amiga as an X server (slightly unique). I'm also unable to run applets. The first time I try to run an applet I get the "unable to allocate background color" error and from there on it doesn't even bother to load any applets. This would seem to indicate that either the Xserver I am using has the same problem as the FreeBSD X server or there is something else in the pot. My system is 2.1-release 486/33 16meg. My Amiga's running a x server I've had for a while. Probably X11R5. Hope this helps. Geoff. On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > Its not working over here either. I'm running the standard X with > > -stable (X11R6...XFree?) on an ATI Mach64 4MB VRAM PCI Video card. Netscape > > 3.0 comes up, but applets don't work. > > The problem is definitely the Xserver (or the Xserver's interaction > with -current?, or something)... > > Here is what I did folks: > > 1: Downloaded Netscape 3.0b2 for OSF/1 > 2: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to itself (24bpp) > 3: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to a NetBSD Box (8bpp) > 4: Ran one netscape from the Alpha to my FreeBSD Box (8bpp). > > The Java apps ran in all cases, except when the display was set to my > FreeBSD box... As far as I can tell: > > XF86_S3, XF86_M64(?) are not working > Xaccell, other XF86 3.12 server are working > > > Sujal > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:48:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA26477 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26444 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:48:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA00590; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:47:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:47:53 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Geoff Wells cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 [More Info!] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Geoff Wells wrote: > Just though I'd throw my info on the table. I use a headless FreeBSD box > and an Amiga as an X server (slightly unique). I'm also unable to run > applets. The first time I try to run an applet I get the "unable to > allocate background color" error and from there on it doesn't even bother > to load any applets. This error is informational and does not affect the running of Java applets... I've recvieved this error since 2.0 betas (probably 'cause I use 8bpp). Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 16:51:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA26611 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:51:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26601 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:51:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07408; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: "Brian N. Handy" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 12:26:34 PST." Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 16:50:38 -0800 Message-ID: <7406.828233438@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > /usr/ports/www/netscape3. Uh, yeah - that's what I meant.. :-) It's very strange that this is wroking for some and not for others. All the applets I've tried on java.sun.com (under the "Netscape" category) have worked fine. Very odd.. Scratch scratch.. I'm running mine in 24 bit mode, just FYI. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 17:13:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27983 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27959 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:13:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from egg.lmc.ericsson.se (egg.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.32.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id DAA06126; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:12:52 +0200 Received: from chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (chicago.lmc.ericsson.se) by egg.lmc.ericsson.se (4.1/LME-2.2) id AA05501; Sat, 30 Mar 96 20:12:49 EST Received: by chicago.lmc.ericsson.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00290; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:12:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:12:07 -0500 (EST) From: Samy Touati X-Sender: lmcsato@chicago To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Brian Litzinger , questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BitsurfrPro on FBSD 2.1 & MLPPP broken In-Reply-To: <26069.828043220@time.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Just before abandonning motorola, I gave a last try with my bitsurfr pro to a cisco. And surprise it worked! The only glitch was with ppp renegociating a new IP address each time the second B channel is back from an analog conversation, this result in a hung state and a reboot of the bitsurfr. But I suspect the cisco settings to be probably bogus. The most important is that transfer ata 128k is not a problem with fbsd and a motorola bsp. So the problem was with the livingstone portmaster. Samy On Thu, 28 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > After this result I'm starting to suspect freebsd as being the problem, > > I wouldn't, at least not yet - try another brand; who's to say that Moto > *fixed* the problem? > > > I'm going to try another brand of external TA, does anybody have a > > suggestion, of a TA that is working with freebsd and mlppp? > > ADTRAN! http://www.adtran.com > > Jordan > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 17:40:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA00293 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from xi.dorm.umd.edu (xi.dorm.umd.edu [129.2.152.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00274 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 17:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.dorm.umd.edu (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA00370; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:40:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Sujal Patel X-Sender: smpatel@xi.dorm.umd.edu To: Gary Palmer cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, DARREND@novell.com Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: <2539.828231022@palmer.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > XFree86 Version 3.1.1 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6000) > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0 > Configured drivers: > SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): > et4000, oti067, oti077, oti087 Xaccell works on my computer.. Something is wrong with these servers, and maybe others (but what's wrong?): XF86_S3 v3.12 Mach 64 v3.12 XF86_SVGA v3.1.1 Sujal From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 18:38:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04956 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04947 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id DAA03757 ; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:37:55 +0100 (BST) To: Sujal Patel cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:40:12 CDT." Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 03:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3755.828239873@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sujal Patel wrote in message ID : > On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > > XFree86 Version 3.1.1 / X Window System > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6000) > > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0 > > Configured drivers: > > SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): > > et4000, oti067, oti077, oti087 > Xaccell works on my computer.. Something is wrong with these servers, and > maybe others (but what's wrong?): > XF86_S3 v3.12 > Mach 64 v3.12 > XF86_SVGA v3.1.1 XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Configured drivers: SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): et4000 This fails too :( (And yes, I compile my own versions, but from the link-kit, so unless something is really screwed up with the link-kits...). This is on a very recent 2.1-STABLE. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 18:45:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA05416 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from wcarchive.cdrom.com (wcarchive.cdrom.com [165.113.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05409 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by wcarchive.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09200 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 18:45:53 -0800 Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA06465; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:41:32 +1000 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 12:41:32 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199603310241.MAA06465@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: bde@zeta.org.au, freebsd-hackers@wcarchive.cdrom.com, ponds!rivers@dg-rtp.dg.com Subject: Re: SIO lock-ups.. Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >... > Until I applied the spl.h fix for getting a better SWI_TTY_MASK, >I couldn't do anything after sio locked up except reboot (even >with drainwait set to 1.) After the fix, I can kill the process; >after a second - it actually dies (that's a big improvement, but >I'd still like to receive the data :-) ) >... > Bruce - do you have any ideas? SWI_TTY_MASK is missing SWI_NET_MASK in 2.1. This only matters for ppp IIRC. ixoff is broken in 2.1. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 19:34:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10990 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10934 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:33:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id WAA07147; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:33:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Sujal Patel cc: Gary Palmer , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org, DARREND@novell.com Subject: Re: Netscape 3.0b2 - Problem Found! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Sujal Patel wrote: > On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Gary Palmer wrote: > > > XFree86 Version 3.1.1 / X Window System > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6000) > > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0 > > Configured drivers: > > SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): > > et4000, oti067, oti077, oti087 > > Xaccell works on my computer.. Something is wrong with these servers, and > maybe others (but what's wrong?): > > XF86_S3 v3.12 > Mach 64 v3.12 yup, I'm using this one. Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 19:36:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA11613 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11593 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id WAA07163; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:36:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: "Brian N. Handy" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: <7406.828233438@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > /usr/ports/www/netscape3. > > Uh, yeah - that's what I meant.. :-) > > It's very strange that this is wroking for some and not for others. > All the applets I've tried on java.sun.com (under the "Netscape" > category) have worked fine. Very odd.. Scratch scratch.. > > I'm running mine in 24 bit mode, just FYI. > I think that Sujal *might* have an idea in regards to which server you are running. Brian Tao reported that he's using the same video card that I'm using, but a different server. I'm currently using: > X -showconfig XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) Which servers are those that have java working using, version those that aren't working? Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 19:49:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA14163 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA14109 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rover.village.org (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA09408; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:48:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199603310348.UAA09408@rover.village.org> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: libc 3.0 Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD hackers) In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 30 Mar 1996 09:05:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:48:31 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk : As Warner Losh wrote: : > : > : NETISO and NETNS have been killed. : > : > I'll be happy to add them back, as stubs returning errors, if it would : > mean we didn't have to bump the major rev. : : I don't think anybody would be particularly proud about such an hack. I didn't say that they would be proud of it, but sometimes you gotta do gross things to keep binary compatibility. If there were a boatload of other changes in this release, then it wouldn't be a big deal. If the only reason to bump the major rev was for NETISO and NETNS stuff that was killed (which was sold as not impacting anybody), then some allowances should be made. I would have spoken sooner had all of this clicked sooner. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 20:17:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA18046 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:17:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from vegemite.Stanford.EDU (vegemite.Stanford.EDU [171.65.76.158]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18033 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (hlew@localhost) by vegemite.Stanford.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.4) id UAA04586; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:17:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:17:05 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Lew To: Terry Lambert cc: Wilson MacGyver , hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dell EIDE drive data corruption with FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <199603302057.NAA09727@phaeton.artisoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Terry Lambert wrote: > > A while ago, I rememeber someone posted something about it. > > I think the machine in question was a Dell P75 with EIDE drive, > > > > Was a solution found? > > Is this the flawed IDE chipset that loses data if you interleave I/O? > > If so, the answer is to change your CMOS settings. Hmmm.... what chipset did they use? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. > ---- || Shoppers Network BEST PRICES, FULLY x86 COMPATIBLE & FAST!!! || 2022 Taraval Street #10560 NexGen benchmarks available on our WWW site || San Francisco, CA 94116 Email - info@shoppersnet.com | ------------------------------> WWW - http://www2.shoppersnet.com -------------------------------> WWW - http://www.shoppersnet.com/shopping From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 20:42:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA21560 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:42:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21553 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:42:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA00527; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:41:29 -0800 Message-Id: <199603310441.UAA00527@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Java works with S3 968 and XF86-3.1.2D In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:36:31 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:41:27 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) Release Date: Feb 24 1996 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Configured drivers: S3: accelerated server for S3 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) mmio_928, s3_generic My card is a Diamond S3 968 with 4MB . Right now it works great in 24bpp . Amancio >>> "Marc G. Fournier" said: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > > /usr/ports/www/netscape3. > > > > Uh, yeah - that's what I meant.. :-) > > > > It's very strange that this is wroking for some and not for others. > > All the applets I've tried on java.sun.com (under the "Netscape" > > category) have worked fine. Very odd.. Scratch scratch.. > > > > I'm running mine in 24 bit mode, just FYI. > > > > I think that Sujal *might* have an idea in regards to which > server you are running. > > Brian Tao reported that he's using the same video card that I'm > using, but a different server. I'm currently using: > > > X -showconfig > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001) > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 > Configured drivers: > Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) > > Which servers are those that have java working using, version those > that aren't working? > > Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting > System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, > Administrator | | Information and > scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 20:58:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA23631 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA23623 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 20:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id XAA10723; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:58:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java works with S3 968 and XF86-3.1.2D In-Reply-To: <199603310441.UAA00527@rah.star-gate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System I'm going to grab this one now...I'm still using 3.1.2 :( Will report if this fixes my end... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 21:11:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA24810 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki.net (root@ki.net [205.150.102.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24795 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:11:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by ki.net (8.7.4/8.7.4) id AAA11143; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:11:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java works with S3 968 and XF86-3.1.2D In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System > > I'm going to grab this one now...I'm still using 3.1.2 :( > > Will report if this fixes my end... > > Nope, no difference there: news> X -showconfig XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) Release Date: Feb 24 1996 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) All I retrieved was X312DMa64.tgz though...assuming that was all I required. Is this an incorrect assumption? Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, Administrator | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 21:33:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA26199 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA26194 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:33:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA00899; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:32:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199603310532.VAA00899@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Marc G. Fournier" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Java works with S3 968 and XF86-3.1.2D In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 31 Mar 1996 00:11:26 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 21:32:44 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nope, you need the latest libs please read the release notes. Amancio >>> "Marc G. Fournier" said: > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Amancio Hasty Jr. wrote: > > > > > > > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System > > > > I'm going to grab this one now...I'm still using 3.1.2 :( > > > > Will report if this fixes my end... > > > > > > Nope, no difference there: > > news> X -showconfig > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2D / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) > Release Date: Feb 24 1996 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 > Configured drivers: > Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) > > All I retrieved was X312DMa64.tgz though...assuming that was all I > required. Is this an incorrect assumption? > > Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting > System | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, > Administrator | | Information and > scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://www.ki.net | Communications, Inc > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 22:51:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03154 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:51:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.infinet.com (mail1.infinet.com [206.103.240.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA03111 Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:51:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from donna.cylatech.com (cmh-p112.infinet.com [206.103.242.118]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA17116; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:46:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <315E2B76.229A13A@cylatech.com> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 01:51:34 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b2 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Howard Lew CC: Terry Lambert , Wilson MacGyver , hackers@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dell EIDE drive data corruption with FreeBSD? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howard Lew wrote: > > Is this the flawed IDE chipset that loses data if you interleave I/O? > > > > If so, the answer is to change your CMOS settings. > > Hmmm.... what chipset did they use? It's the RZ1000 chipset. -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 23:29:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05707 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mramirez.sy.yale.edu (mramirez.sy.yale.edu [130.132.57.207]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05700 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrami@localhost) by mramirez.sy.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id CAA06192; Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:28:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 02:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: Marc Ramirez Reply-To: mrami@minerva.cis.yale.edu To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: line settings for comconsole Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Okay, I set up a FreeBSD box as a firewall, and for the console I have an old LA100 that wants to speak 7-E-1, and, no, I can't change it. :) I have the printer working, so long as I do this in /etc/rc.serial: stty it_in.c_iflag = TTYDEF_IFLAG; --- > com->it_in.c_iflag = TTYDEF_IFLAG | IXOFF; 621c621 < com->it_in.c_cflag = TTYDEF_CFLAG | CLOCAL; --- > com->it_in.c_cflag = CREAD | CS7 | HUPCL | PARENB | CLOCAL; This seems to have no effect, even though I would at least expect the (CS7|PARENB) to clear up the parity errors. What else must I modify, o gurus? Marc. -- Every four seconds a woman has a baby. Our problem is to find this woman and stop her. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Mar 30 23:37:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA05984 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:37:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sxt2.space.lockheed.com (sxt2.space.lockheed.com [192.68.162.109]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA05976 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by sxt2.space.lockheed.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20196; Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:31:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 23:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian N. Handy" To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yes!!! Netscape and Java for BSDI - Reply - Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think that Sujal *might* have an idea in regards to which > server you are running. > > Brian Tao reported that he's using the same video card that I'm > using, but a different server. I'm currently using: > > > X -showconfig > > XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001) > Operating System: FreeBSD 2.0.5 > Configured drivers: > Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) > > Which servers are those that have java working using, version those > that aren't working? handy:~ [17]->X -showconfig XFree86 Version 3.1.2 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6001) Operating System: FreeBSD 2.2-960321-SNAP Configured drivers: S3: accelerated server for S3 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) mmio_928, s3_generic --Brian