From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 05:44:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24183 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vishnu.alias.net (root@vishnu.alias.net [199.3.234.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24178 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 05:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (perry@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.alias.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA07116; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 07:44:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199604081244.HAA07116@vishnu.alias.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Need Help with Sony CD drive Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:44:23 -0500 From: John Perry Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Everyone, I just installed a Sony CDU76S CD drive that included a Adaptec 1515 SCSI controller card. I'm running FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE on a Pentium 120 with 32M of RAM. The card shows up on the aic0 controller. I'm using the cd0 device selection in the kernel config file. I can mount the FreeBSD CDrom using mount_cd9660 without any problem. (That's what I got it for). But whenever I try to play an audio CD using any of the audio CD player apps (cdplay, cdplayer, xcd, xcdplayer, etc.) it doesn't work. For instance, when I try cdplayer, I get an error message. Here is a sample run: vishnu:perry {105} cdplayer CD>play 1 2 cdplayer: Invalid argument CD> I can then run dmesg and the following error message is in the log: cd0(aic0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list Does anyone know what these errors mean? Can someone help me with this problem? I have a SCSI CD drive on my machine at work that uses the ahc0 kernel driver and the cd0 device and I don't have this problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! WWW - http://www.alias.net PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 06:30:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA25896 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA25860 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA05560; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:30:22 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA02617; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 13:30:21 GMT Message-Id: <199604081330.NAA02617@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: perry@vishnu.alias.net Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need Help with Sony CD drive In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:44:23 -0500" References: <199604081244.HAA07116@vishnu.alias.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.29.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 09:30:19 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:44:23 -0500 John Perry wrote: perry> I just installed a Sony CDU76S CD drive that included a perry> Adaptec 1515 SCSI controller card. I'm running FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE Similar set-up here: Same CD, but on I've got it on a NCR SCSI controller. perry> I can mount the FreeBSD CDrom using mount_cd9660 without any perry> problem. (That's what I got it for). But whenever I try to play an perry> audio CD using any of the audio CD player apps (cdplay, cdplayer, xcd, perry> xcdplayer, etc.) it doesn't work. For instance, when I try cdplayer, I perry> get an error message. Here is a sample run: perry> perry> vishnu:perry {105} cdplayer perry> CD>play 1 2 perry> cdplayer: Invalid argument perry> CD> perry> perry> I can then run dmesg and the following error message is in the perry> log: perry> perry> cd0(aic0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list Exactly the same behavior for me. :-( (your forgot to mention that EJECT *does* work :-) perry> Does anyone know what these errors mean? Can someone help me perry> with this problem? I have a SCSI CD drive on my machine at work that perry> uses the ahc0 kernel driver and the cd0 device and I don't have this perry> problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I was hoping someone may have hacked up support for this by now, but I have no idea of the difficulty involved. Here's one reply to my plea for help. [From Julian Elischer] Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:52:57 -0700 (PDT) SONY believe they know better.. so they didn't impliment the standard SCSI-2 audio commands but used their own.. (I mean no-one uses these devices without BIOS support right?) Bummer: no joy. From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 08:30:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03704 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from acs3.bu.edu (root@ACS3.BU.EDU [128.197.153.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03538 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 08:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu Received: by acs3.bu.edu (8.6.13/BU_SmartClient-1.0) id LAA70138; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:20:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:20:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199604081520.LAA70138@acs3.bu.edu> To: perry@vishnu.alias.net CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <199604081244.HAA07116@vishnu.alias.net> (message from John Perry on Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:44:23 -0500) Subject: Re: Need Help with Sony CD drive Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk | I just installed a Sony CDU76S CD drive that included a | Adaptec 1515 SCSI controller card. I'm running FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE | on a Pentium 120 with 32M of RAM. The card shows up on the aic0 | controller. I'm using the cd0 device selection in the kernel config I have the same drive in a similar setup, but using an NCR controller. | file. I can mount the FreeBSD CDrom using mount_cd9660 without any | problem. (That's what I got it for). But whenever I try to play an | audio CD using any of the audio CD player apps (cdplay, cdplayer, xcd, | xcdplayer, etc.) it doesn't work. For instance, when I try cdplayer, I | get an error message. Here is a sample run: | vishnu:perry {105} cdplayer | CD>play 1 2 | cdplayer: Invalid argument | CD> | I can then run dmesg and the following error message is in the | log: | cd0(aic0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list I originally had the same error messages; someone sent a few minor patches that cleared up the problem. Unfortunately, the patches (and the kind soul's name) are sitting on my machine at home. I'll send them along tonight if you still need them. | John Perry - KG5RG - perry@vishnu.alias.net - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! | WWW - http://www.alias.net | PGP 2.62 key for perry@vishnu.alias.net is on the keyservers. Russ Murphy From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 09:29:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07517 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07493 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA06356; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:29:09 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA03520; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:28:54 GMT Message-Id: <199604081628.QAA03520@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu Cc: perry@vishnu.alias.net, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need Help with Sony CD drive In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:20:25 -0400" References: <199604081520.LAA70138@acs3.bu.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.29.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 12:28:53 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 8 Apr 1996 11:20:25 -0400 rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu wrote: > | I just installed a Sony CDU76S CD drive that included a > | Adaptec 1515 SCSI controller card. I'm running FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE rdmurphy> I have the same drive in a similar setup, but using an NCR rdmurphy> controller. I originally had the same error messages; rdmurphy> someone sent a few minor patches that cleared up the rdmurphy> problem. Unfortunately, the patches (and the kind soul's rdmurphy> name) are sitting on my machine at home. I'll send them rdmurphy> along tonight if you still need them. I'd appreciate being cc'd too; I've also got the CDU76S with an NCR. Tunes would be way bonus! Real-hackers: what's the procedure for getting patches like this folded into the baseline, so we don't have to keep patching with the next release? Many thanks! From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 09:54:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09359 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09354 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 09:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6KHl-000wz9C; Mon, 8 Apr 96 09:59 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA828982358; Mon, 08 Apr 96 08:26:54 PST Date: Mon, 08 Apr 96 08:26:54 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603088289.AA828982358@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Artisoft AE-3 and FreeBSD Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm using an Artisoft AE-3 with FreeBSD. The AE-3 is an NE2000 clone with extra buffer space (64K instead of 16K). Will the FreeBSD drivers take advantage of the extra buffering? If not, can they be tweaked to allow it? (This will be a busy system shortly.) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 12:08:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA18666 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Sisyphos (Sisyphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18344 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 12:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by Sisyphos id AA14399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:06:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199604081906.AA14399@Sisyphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:06:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: Charles Owens "Re: -stable and NCR problems?" (Mar 25, 10:43) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Charles Owens Subject: Re: -stable and NCR problems? Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mar 25, 10:43, Charles Owens wrote: } Subject: Re: -stable and NCR problems? } On Fri, 22 Mar 1996, Stefan Esser wrote: } } > That's the infamous handshake timeout ... } > This feature seems to do more harm than good, } > and I'll apply the following patch to -stable } > (it has been in current for some time already): } } I'm giving the patch a try. } } >From time to time I also see the following. Is it related to the above } problem? } } Mar 25 07:53:32 dingo /kernel: sd0(ncr0:0:0): M_DISCONNECT received, but datapointer not saved: } Mar 25 07:53:32 dingo /kernel: data=2b9d78 save=2b9d78 goal=2b9e8c. Sorry for the delay, but I had no net access for two weeks ... The message indicates, that a SCSI device disconnected without sending a SAVE DATA POINTER message before all data for the current command had been transfered. This is sometimes done for error recovery, but usually only for tape devices. The drive is expected to reselect again, and the interrupted transfer will restart at the same point, were it started last time (and not where it had been interrupted). This might be an indication of a SCSI data transfer problem. I'll have to reread the SCSI specs to give a more detailed answer ... (I'm not sure whether there are SCSI drives, that disconnect without sending a CHECK CONDITION status (which would lead to some other diagnostic being printed after the lines you included) to recover from an SCSI parity error.) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 21:51:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA06125 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dunquin (PPP-71-7.BU.EDU [128.197.7.27]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06117 for ; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 21:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by dunquin (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00528; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:48:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:48:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199604090448.AAA00528@dunquin> From: Superuser (tcsh) To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, cshenton@it.hq.nasa.gov, alk@Think.COM CC: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Using Sony CDU-76S for audio CDs Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Several people asked for this; I pass it along and note that I'm not really up to judging it's quality, other than to say that it works for me. BTW, the patch didn't work, but manually performing the edits did. My system: FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE #0: Fri Apr 5 21:08:36 EST 1996 root@dunquin.bu.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/DUNQUIN CPU: 133-MHz Pentium 735\\90 or 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52b Stepping=11 Features=0x1bf real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 11 on pci0:12 (ncr0:0:0): "FUJITSU M1606S-512 6234" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 (ncr0:3:0): "SONY CD-ROM CDU-76S 1.1c" type 5 removable SCSI 2 (ncr0:6:0): "ARCHIVE ANCDA 2750 28077 -003" type 1 removable SCSI 2 Good luck. Russ Murphy ------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Mar 96 12:38:38 +0100 From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199603210131.UAA171296@acs4.bu.edu> (rdmurphy@acs.bu.edu) Subject: Re: Playing audio CD X-Mailer: Emacs Sender: owner-questions@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> rdmurphy writes: > I have a question about playing an audio CD (through headphones) > on my CD-ROM drive. I've tried using a couple different programs > without success. Using "cdplay", I can access the drive, in the > sense that it lists the tracks, but it won't play the CD. When I > attempt to play it, the following message is generated: > cd0(ncr0:3:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST asc:26,0 Invalid field in parameter list > Any idea what's going on here? Go to /sys/scsi, apply the following patch to cd.c and recompile *************** *** 1093,1098 **** --- 1093,1104 ---- scsi_cmd.byte2 |= SMS_PF; scsi_cmd.length = sizeof(*data) & 0xff; data->header.data_length = 0; + /* + * SONY drives do not allow a mode select with a medium_type + * value that has just been returned by a mode sense; use a + * medium_type of 0 (Default) instead. + */ + data->header.medium_type = 0; return (scsi_scsi_cmd(SCSI_LINK(&cd_switch, unit), (struct scsi_generic *) &scsi_cmd, sizeof(scsi_cmd), Jean-Marc _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean-Marc Zucconi Observatoire de Besancon F 25010 Besancon cedex PGP Key: finger jmz@cabri.obs-besancon.fr ============================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 22:57:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA11558 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.nyc.pipeline.com (root@mail.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11551 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com (axon@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com [198.80.32.44]) by mail.nyc.pipeline.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA23143; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Amir Y. Rosenblatt" Received: (axon@localhost) by pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA25032; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:57:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199604090557.BAA25032@pipe4.nyc.pipeline.com> Subject: Wacom tablets and FreeBSD-2.1-stable? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 01:57:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone gotten a Wacom tablet working under FreeBSD? If so what about with XFree86 (their docs mention it but only in passing it seems)? I'd be very interested in getting one if I could get it to work on my machine. -Amir From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Apr 8 23:23:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA13951 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aic.am (AIC.AM [194.67.30.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13053 Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ran@localhost) by aic.am (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA10656; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:12:10 +0500 (BSD) From: "Ran d'Adi" Message-Id: <199604090512.KAA10656@aic.am> Subject: AMD PCI ethernet card. To: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:12:10 +0500 (BSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! I have a PCI Ethernet card : AM79C970KC - chip, (model PE-970) When trying to boot with the option "-v" the following messages appears: > pci0:13: AMD, device=0x2000, class network (ethernet) [no driver assigned] > map(10): io(ff80) Can I make it work ? If yes, what shall I do ? Thanks in advance hrant From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 00:31:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA17622 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:31:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17602 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA14944; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:23:47 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604090753.RAA14944@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: AMD PCI ethernet card. To: ran@aic.am (Ran d'Adi) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:23:46 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604090512.KAA10656@aic.am> from "Ran d'Adi" at Apr 9, 96 10:12:10 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ran d'Adi stands accused of saying: > I have a PCI Ethernet card : AM79C970KC - chip, (model PE-970) > When trying to boot with the option "-v" the following > messages appears: > > > pci0:13: AMD, device=0x2000, class network (ethernet) [no driver assigned] > > map(10): io(ff80) > > Can I make it work ? If yes, what shall I do ? Configure the 'lnc' device to address 0x2000 and see if it finds it. You may have to fine-tune the IRQ settings as well. It's mind-boggling that the LANCE chipset has survived so long... > hrant -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 05:52:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA09516 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09423 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with ESMTP id PAA05363; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:50:17 +0300 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id PAA26667; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:27:31 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18539; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:16:41 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id OAA01160; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:04:15 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199604091104.OAA01160@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: AMD PCI ethernet card. To: ran@aic.am (Ran d'Adi) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 14:04:15 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604090512.KAA10656@aic.am> from "Ran d'Adi" at Apr 9, 96 10:12:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk # # # # Hi ! # I have a PCI Ethernet card : AM79C970KC - chip, (model PE-970) # When trying to boot with the option "-v" the following # messages appears: # # > pci0:13: AMD, device=0x2000, class network (ethernet) [no driver assigned] # > map(10): io(ff80) # # Can I make it work ? If yes, what shall I do ? You need to describe it as 'lnc0' device in your kernel config file (or use boottime '-c' switch to configure it). Yes, lnc is an ISA driver, but it works nicely with PCI AMD cards. For example from a config of a machine with 2 AMD cards: device lnc0 at isa? port 0x6000 net irq 9 drq 0 vector lncintr device lnc1 at isa? port 0x6100 net irq 10 drq 1 vector lncintr Both are PCI cards. (Note: AMD card uses DMA, so be careful here! (see `drq')) # # Thanks in advance # hrant # -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 10:23:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26527 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skiddaw.elsevier.co.uk (skiddaw.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.222.60]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26519 Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk (snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]) by skiddaw.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA27366; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:21:02 +0100 Received: from cadair.elsevier.co.uk (actually host cadair) by snowdon with SMTP (PP); Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:13:46 +0100 Received: (from dpr@localhost) by cadair.elsevier.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA04733; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:13:43 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199604091713.SAA04733@cadair.elsevier.co.uk> Subject: Re: AMD PCI ethernet card. To: ran@aic.am (Ran d'Adi) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:13:42 +0100 (BST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199604090512.KAA10656@aic.am> from "Ran d'Adi" at Apr 9, 96 10:12:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Ran d'Adi who said > > Hi ! > I have a PCI Ethernet card : AM79C970KC - chip, (model PE-970) > When trying to boot with the option "-v" the following > messages appears: > > > pci0:13: AMD, device=0x2000, class network (ethernet) [no driver assigned] > > map(10): io(ff80) > > Can I make it work ? If yes, what shall I do ? If someone can give me some manufacturers who sell PCI Lance cards then I'll go buy one and sort out this glitch because it's becoming a personal FAQ. I just can't find any PCI cards or I'd have bought one by now. -- Paul Richards. Originative Solutions Ltd. (Netcraft Ltd. contractor) Elsevier Science TIS online journal project. Email: p.richards@elsevier.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 (0)1865 843155 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 10:45:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28187 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA28181 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6hZT-000wr0C; Tue, 9 Apr 96 10:51 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829071865; Tue, 09 Apr 96 09:34:37 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 09:34:37 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603098290.AA829071865@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please forgive me if this posting appears more than once; my first one did not seem to get through. I'm running FreeBSD on a machine with an Artisoft AE-3 card -- an NE2000 clone with 64K (rather than the usual 16K) of buffer space. How can I get FreeBSD to recognize, and use, this additional space for transmit (and, especially, receive) buffering? The kernel source, which is almost uncommented, is tough to analyze but suggests that the OS will assume an NE2000-compatible card has 16K of buffering. There's a hint, in the code, that the buffer size can be set by the boot-time kernel configuration program (that is, by booting with the -c option), but it's not clear how one might set it. There's also some conditionaly compiled code having to do with a Gateway Ethernet card. It's not normally compiled in. However, it appears that (if I'm reading it correctly) it *may* test the size of the card's internal RAM. Turning on this option would make the kernel bigger and require recompilation, though, so it wouldn't be as efficient as a boot-time option I could set with -c. I need advice as to how to proceed. Can I use the boot-time kernel configuration (-c) to let the driver know that I have 64K of onboard buffer space? If so, what do I enter? If I *can't* do it via -c, will enabling the Gateway code work? If the latter, I'll need to know if the Gateway code is tested and reliable, and if it will be correctly turned on if I recompile the kernel with "options GWETHER." --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 11:32:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA01626 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA01621 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 11:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6iJM-000wtwC; Tue, 9 Apr 96 11:38 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829074703; Tue, 09 Apr 96 10:27:59 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 10:27:59 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603098290.AA829074703@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Please forgive me if this posting appears more than once. My first send did not seem to get through (I'm subscribed to this list and got no echo). I'm running FreeBSD on a machine with an Artisoft AE-3 card -- an NE2000 clone with 64K (rather than the usual 16K) of buffer space. How can I get FreeBSD to recognize, and use, this additional space for transmit (and, especially, receive) buffering? The kernel source, which is almost uncommented, is tough to analyze but suggests that the OS will assume an NE2000-compatible card has 16K of buffering. There's a hint, in the code, that the buffer size can be set by the boot-time kernel configuration program (that is, by booting with the -c option), but it's not clear how one might set it. There's also some conditionaly compiled code having to do with a Gateway Ethernet card. It's not normally compiled in. However, it appears that (if I'm reading it correctly) it *may* test the size of the card's internal RAM. Turning on this option would make the kernel bigger and require recompilation, though, so it wouldn't be as efficient as a boot-time option I could set with -c. I need advice as to how to proceed. Can I use the boot-time kernel configuration (-c) to let the driver know that I have 64K of onboard buffer space? If so, what do I enter? If I *can't* do it via -c, will enabling the Gateway code work? If the latter, I'll need to know if the Gateway code is tested and reliable, and if it will be correctly turned on if I recompile the kernel with "options GWETHER." --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 15:06:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19825 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19814 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA05495; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604092204.PAA05495@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:34:37 PST." <9603098290.AA829071865@ccgate.infoworld.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 15:04:00 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Please forgive me if this posting appears more than once; my first one did >not seem to get through. It got through. ...but I've been busy and your problem isn't important. >I'm running FreeBSD on a machine with an Artisoft AE-3 card -- an NE2000 >clone with 64K (rather than the usual 16K) of buffer space. How can I get >FreeBSD to recognize, and use, this additional space for transmit (and, >especially, receive) buffering? You can't without 1) knowing how the memory is laid out (probably starts at 0 and goes for 64K), and 2) modifying the driver to deal with it. If I make an assumption about the memory layout, I could make the changes in a few minutes. It will require that you specify the memory size in the kernel config file, however. > The kernel source, which is almost >uncommented, is tough to analyze but suggests that the OS will assume an >NE2000-compatible card has 16K of buffering. You're the first person to ever complain that I didn't have sufficient comments in my code or that it was difficult to read. ...although it has been hacked on by a fair number of people since I wrote it (the GWETHER stuff, for example), and may have degraded somewhat. > There's a hint, in the code, >that the buffer size can be set by the boot-time kernel configuration >program (that is, by booting with the -c option), but it's not clear how >one might set it. That only works for shared-memory type cards of which the NE2000 is not. As for telling you how to set the amount of RAM, there are hints in the manual page for the driver, too: "man 4 ed". >There's also some conditionaly compiled code having to do with a Gateway >Ethernet card. It's not normally compiled in. However, it appears that (if >I'm reading it correctly) it *may* test the size of the card's internal >RAM. Turning on this option would make the kernel bigger and require >recompilation, though, so it wouldn't be as efficient as a boot-time >option I could set with -c. Don't do that. >I need advice as to how to proceed. Can I use the boot-time kernel >configuration (-c) to let the driver know that I have 64K of onboard buffer >space? If so, what do I enter? *If* the driver was modified to deal specially with this case, you would set the memory size via the "iosiz " option in the kernel config file device line. There's an example at the top of the manual page. For "-c", you would say "iosiz ed0 65536". Now the question is, after having been insulted about my code, if I want to actually help you make the changes to the driver to support your extra memory. Hmmm. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 15:33:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA24211 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24191 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA05636; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 15:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604092232.PAA05636@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 09:34:37 PST." <9603098290.AA829071865@ccgate.infoworld.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 15:32:48 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk See if this works. Don't forget to add "iosiz 65536" to your ed0 line in your config file. See "man 4 ed" for how/where to put it in. ...or use "iosiz ed0 65536" in 'userconfig' (boot -c). -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project Index: if_ed.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/if_ed.c,v retrieving revision 1.73.4.5 diff -c -r1.73.4.5 if_ed.c *** if_ed.c 1996/03/31 15:55:01 1.73.4.5 --- if_ed.c 1996/04/09 22:26:32 *************** *** 1066,1085 **** sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: NE1000"; } ! /* 8k of memory plus an additional 8k if 16bit */ ! memsize = 8192 + sc->isa16bit * 8192; ! ! #if 0 /* probably not useful - NE boards only come two ways */ ! /* allow kernel config file overrides */ ! if (isa_dev->id_msize) memsize = isa_dev->id_msize; ! #endif sc->mem_size = memsize; ! /* NIC memory doesn't start at zero on an NE board */ ! /* The start address is tied to the bus width */ ! sc->mem_start = (char *) 8192 + sc->isa16bit * 8192; sc->mem_end = sc->mem_start + memsize; sc->tx_page_start = memsize / ED_PAGE_SIZE; --- 1066,1095 ---- sc->kdc.kdc_description = "Ethernet adapter: NE1000"; } ! /* ! * Allow kernel config file overrides. NE boards only come two ! * ways (8bit=8K/16bit=16K), but some clones have 64K. ! * XXX ignore the config override if <= 16K for backward ! * (configuration) compatibilty. ! */ ! if (isa_dev->id_msize > 16384) memsize = isa_dev->id_msize; ! else ! memsize = 8192 + sc->isa16bit * 8192; sc->mem_size = memsize; ! /* ! * NIC memory doesn't start at zero on an NE board; ! * the start address is tied to the bus width. ! * For clones with >16K of RAM, assume that the memory ! * starts at 0. ! */ ! if (memsize <= 16384) ! sc->mem_start = (char *) 8192 + sc->isa16bit * 8192; ! else ! sc->mem_start = 0; ! sc->mem_end = sc->mem_start + memsize; sc->tx_page_start = memsize / ED_PAGE_SIZE; From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 17:04:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA01224 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA01219 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 17:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6nUe-000wuTC; Tue, 9 Apr 96 17:10 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829094604; Tue, 09 Apr 96 15:41:49 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 15:41:49 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603098290.AA829094604@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > You can't without 1) knowing how the memory is laid out (probably > starts at 0 and goes for 64K), and 2) modifying the driver to deal with > it. Can there be more than 64K of memory on the NS chip? > If I make an assumption about the memory layout, I could make the > changes in a few minutes. This would be great! > You're the first person to ever complain that I didn't have sufficient > comments in my code or that it was difficult to read. ...although it has > been hacked on by a fair number of people since I wrote it (the GWETHER > stuff, for example), and may have degraded somewhat. Multiple authors always make code more difficult to read, because they introduce inconsistencies in style. I'm certainly not pointing a finger at anyone, because I don't know the code's history. > That only works for shared-memory type cards of which the NE2000 is not. > As for telling you how to set the amount of RAM, there are hints in the > manual page for the driver, too: "man 4 ed". It looks (again, correct me if I'm wrong) as if the code once had a provision for this, but the lines are inside an #if 0...#endif. A comment in the vicinity says "probably not needed - NE boards come only two ways." > *If* the driver was modified to deal specially with this case, you > would set the memory size via the "iosiz " option in the kernel config > file device line. There's an example at the top of the manual page. For > "-c", you would say "iosiz ed0 65536". This would be excellent. > Now the question is, after having been insulted about my code, if I want > to actually help you make the changes to the driver to support your extra > memory. Hmmm. No insult intended. Much of the confusion appears to have been caused by code you did not write. In any event, if you can help, I'd gladly contribute as well. --Brett P.S. -- This board, like most has no EPROM. Is it worthwhile to reclaim the memory space reserved for it? From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 18:50:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10194 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA10187 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 18:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA18753; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:46:08 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604100216.LAA18753@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 11:46:08 +0930 (CST) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <9603098290.AA829094604@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "Brett Glass" at Apr 9, 96 03:41:49 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > --Brett > > P.S. -- This board, like most has no EPROM. Is it worthwhile to reclaim the > memory space reserved for it? Ur, I don't think you copy. The 640-1024 physical address range is never used by the kernel, and is reserved solely for access to peripherals. There's no space "reserved" for the EPROM, ISA configuration isn't that sophisticated 8) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 21:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA21993 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21987 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:35:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6rix-000wpZC; Tue, 9 Apr 96 21:41 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829110859; Tue, 09 Apr 96 20:22:04 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 20:22:04 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603098291.AA829110859@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Unfortunately, when I applied those diffs (I had to do it by hand, because I was starting with RELEASE-2.1.0 and the diff was from a later version of if_ed.c), it didn't work. I received reports of NIC memory corruption. And now, for some reason, the "route add default" commands that are executed by /etc/netstart are taking a PAINFULLY long time to execute. (Any idea why?) --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 21:41:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA22506 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22500 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA06391; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 21:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604100441.VAA06391@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 20:22:04 PST." <9603098291.AA829110859@ccgate.infoworld.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 21:41:13 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Unfortunately, when I applied those diffs (I had to do it by hand, because >I was starting with RELEASE-2.1.0 and the diff was from a later version of >if_ed.c), it didn't work. I received reports of NIC memory corruption. And Did you enable the 64K of RAM on the card (is it jumper selected or soft selected?)? If you can't enable it externally, then I can't help you without programming information for the card - it will have to be programmed to enable the 64K of RAM (as opposed to the 16K). >now, for some reason, the "route add default" commands that are executed by >/etc/netstart are taking a PAINFULLY long time to execute. (Any idea why?) It's probably trying to do a DNS query or ARP query or something. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 22:29:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26826 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26816 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u6sZC-000wtvC; Tue, 9 Apr 96 22:35 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829114111; Tue, 09 Apr 96 20:47:13 PST Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 20:47:13 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603098291.AA829114111@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Did you enable the 64K of RAM on the card (is it jumper selected or soft > selected?)? It's a hard jumper, which I changed before testing. > If you can't enable it externally, then I can't help you > without programming information for the card - it will have to be > programmed to enable the 64K of RAM (as opposed to the 16K). Artisoft has a packet driver for the card. I'll see if I can get source. > It's probably trying to do a DNS query or ARP query or something. Why would it be slower after I returned the hardware and software to their original states? From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 22:34:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA27324 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA27285 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Root.COM (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA06504; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 22:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199604100533.WAA06504@Root.COM> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.Root.COM: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Brett Glass" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 09 Apr 1996 20:47:13 PST." <9603098291.AA829114111@ccgate.infoworld.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Tue, 09 Apr 1996 22:33:39 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Why would it be slower after I returned the hardware and software to their >original states? No idea. -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Apr 9 23:34:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA02601 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA02590 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 1996 23:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA22019; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:29:16 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604100659.QAA22019@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 16:29:16 +0930 (CST) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9603098291.AA829110859@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "Brett Glass" at Apr 9, 96 08:22:04 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > > Unfortunately, when I applied those diffs (I had to do it by hand, because > I was starting with RELEASE-2.1.0 and the diff was from a later version of > if_ed.c), it didn't work. I received reports of NIC memory corruption. And > now, for some reason, the "route add default" commands that are executed by > /etc/netstart are taking a PAINFULLY long time to execute. (Any idea why?) Nameserver lookups are failing because your NIC isn't working. The default timeout is 75 seconds. > --Brett -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Apr 10 08:23:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA14288 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14274 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 1996 08:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u71qR-000wxvC; Wed, 10 Apr 96 08:30 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829149713; Wed, 10 Apr 96 07:10:23 PST Date: Wed, 10 Apr 96 07:10:23 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603108291.AA829149713@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Michael Smith Cc: davidg@Root.COM, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Artisoft AE-3 Ethernet card: How to use large buffer? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Ur, I don't think you copy. The 640-1024 physical address range is never > used by the kernel, and is reserved solely for access to peripherals. I'm still not 100% familiar with the way FreeBSD maps RAM. There are a lot of issues that are not covered in any of the docs; there's a "culture" -- or maybe an "oral tradition" -- behind them that can be tough to get a handle on. I'm still looking for a history of the effort, along with more information on the Berkeley "license" vs the GPL. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 01:54:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA26070 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (root@quads.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.63]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26063 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 01:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quads.uchicago.edu (spfarrel@localhost.uchicago.edu [127.0.0.1]) by quads.uchicago.edu (8.7.1/8.7.2) with ESMTP id DAA03544 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:53:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604110853.DAA03544@quads.uchicago.edu> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: hardware recommendations Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 03:53:49 CDT From: steve farrell Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk i have to apologize upfront, because the primary purpose of htis message is a test. having said that, not to waste everyone's time, i do have some very general questions about hardware recommendations. feel free to ignore this if you think its not worth your time =). i'm planning on upgraded my 486 to the following system, and would appreciate any comments on the hardware choices with respect to compatibility, performance, etc: p-120 (intel) asus P55TP4N-256P or 5PT4N-F-512K buslogic 946C SCSI #9 motion 771/2mb vram smc etherpower pci thanks - steve farrell From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 09:59:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA24975 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.gnome.co.uk (gnome.intecc.co.uk [194.72.95.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24968 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 09:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jacs@localhost) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA05657; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:59:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:59:20 +0100 (BST) From: Chris Stenton Subject: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive To: hardware@freebsd.org Message-Id: Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am thinking of getting a Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive. Has anyone else got one and does it work with 2.1-stable? Is there a better 9GB drive I should be going for ... any advice would be appreciated. Chris From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 10:36:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA27115 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27039 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA16980; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:35:02 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199604111735.KAA16980@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: hardware recommendations To: spfarrel@midway.uchicago.edu (steve farrell) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 10:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199604110853.DAA03544@quads.uchicago.edu> from steve farrell at "Apr 11, 96 03:53:49 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > i have to apologize upfront, because the primary purpose of htis message > is a test. having said that, not to waste everyone's time, i do have > some very general questions about hardware recommendations. feel free > to ignore this if you think its not worth your time =). i'm planning > on upgraded my 486 to the following system, and would appreciate any > comments on the hardware choices with respect to compatibility, performance, > etc: > > p-120 (intel) Better off going P-100 or P-133 as the extra 6Mhz of external bus speed to memory is quite significant when it comes to overall system performance. > asus P55TP4N-256P or 5PT4N-F-512K This is the standard board that I use in all my systems, works quite well, does have one anomoly in the floppy controller chip that causes timeout messages, but no data loss. > buslogic 946C SCSI I would switch this to the Adaptec 2940, FreeBSD has a real developer working on this code quite activily, the bt946 support is not near as good. > #9 motion 771/2mb vram Good. > smc etherpower pci Good. > thanks - steve farrell Your welcome. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 17:29:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27439 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27432 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02052; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:27:33 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604120057.KAA02052@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive To: jacs@gnome.co.uk (Chris Stenton) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:27:33 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chris Stenton" at Apr 11, 96 05:59:20 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Stenton stands accused of saying: > > I am thinking of getting a Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive. Has anyone > else got one and does it work with 2.1-stable? > > Is there a better 9GB drive I should be going for ... any advice would > be appreciated. Either that or the Seagate 9GB drive; both are quite good units. Before we go any further, are you planning on using it for a news spool? (If the answer is "yes", then the response is _don't_). Bear in mind that both these units are _slow_, and require specialised cooling to avoid thermal overload and premature death, as well as a _serious_ power supply. A normal PC chassis is _totally_ inappropriate for these disks. > Chris -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 19:13:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA08433 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tethys1.tethys.net (root@tethys.net [204.68.191.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08428 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net9.tethys.net (net9.tethys.net [204.68.191.109]) by tethys1.tethys.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA11915 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:21:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199604120221.WAA11915@tethys1.tethys.net> From: srimbey@tethys.net (Stephen Rimbey) Subject: Promise EIDE Max compatibility Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:11:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Rimbey AFM Computer Solutions srimbey@tethys.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Apr 11 19:15:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA08518 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tethys1.tethys.net (tethys.net [204.68.191.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA08512 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net9.tethys.net (net9.tethys.net [204.68.191.109]) by tethys1.tethys.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA11920 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 22:22:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199604120222.WAA11920@tethys1.tethys.net> From: srimbey@tethys.net (Stephen Rimbey) Subject: Help with Promise EIDE MAX Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:13:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Rimbey AFM Computer Solutions srimbey@tethys.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 00:44:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06729 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06721 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from claussen@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.7.3/8.7.1) id AAA14902; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "/\\/\\ike Claussen" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Non Intel x86 support? In-Reply-To: <199603241905.OAA18062@charlotte.spiders.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does FreeBSD support non Intel x86 chips? ie: Cyrix/AMD? Are there any problems with such chips? Thanks /\/\ike -- ********************************************************************* * Mike Claussen email: claussen@darkwing.uoregon.edu * office: 233 Computing Center * Student Consultant voice: (541)346-1773 * UofO Computing Center fax: (541)346-4397 * www: www.uoregon.edu/~claussen From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 06:05:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA01072 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:05:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (root@gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA01065 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 06:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by gallup.cia-g.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16425; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:05:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 07:05:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Stephen Fisher To: "/\\/\\ike Claussen" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Non Intel x86 support? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've used many AMD chips with FreeBSD with no problems. It supports all x86 based chips (Intel, Cyrix, Amd). On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, /\/\ike Claussen wrote: > Does FreeBSD support non Intel x86 chips? ie: Cyrix/AMD? Are there any > problems with such chips? From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 09:31:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA16205 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16200 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u7lt1-000wsXC; Fri, 12 Apr 96 09:39 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829326577; Fri, 12 Apr 96 08:20:02 PST Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 08:20:02 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603128293.AA829326577@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Michael Smith , jacs@gnome.co.uk Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Bear in mind that both these units are _slow_, Average access times are supposed to be 11 ms. The fastest commonly available drives are 8 ms, and the latest PC IDE drives sit at 12 ms or so. Also, the 9 GB drives have huge amounts of data per cylinder and fast spindle speeds. Why would they be slow? > and require specialised cooling to avoid thermal overload and premature > death, I've never cooled one of these in any special way. Most dissipate less power than the 40 MB Seagates I was using 10 years ago. What experiences have you had to indicate that they need better cooling? > as well as a _serious_ power supply. A normal PC chassis is > _totally_ inappropriate for these disks. I am now working on a review of several such disks, packaged in external SCSI boxes for the Macintosh. None had anywhere near as big a power supply as your typical tower case (250-300W). If you've had speed problems with these drives, or have had them overheat, I'd like to know about it -- it'd be worth trying to verify this information. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 10:27:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA19862 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19856 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov [131.182.119.88]) by apollo.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA25586; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:27:08 GMT Received: from localhost (cshenton@localhost) by wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA25972; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:26:50 GMT Message-Id: <199604121726.RAA25972@wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov> X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: cshenton owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: wirehead.it.hq.nasa.gov: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: claussen@darkwing.uoregon.edu Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Non Intel x86 support? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:07 -0700 (PDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.03 on Emacs 19.29.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:26:50 -0400 From: Chris Shenton Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:44:07 -0700 (PDT) "/\\/\\ike Claussen" wrote: claussen> Does FreeBSD support non Intel x86 chips? ie: Cyrix/AMD? claussen> Are there any problems with such chips? I'm using it quite happily (and cost-effectively :-) with an AMD 486-100. Runs as fast on that as it does on the Genuine Intel P60 I have at work. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 10:57:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA21754 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21747 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id SAA05761 ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:50:12 +0100 (BST) To: Brett Glass cc: Michael Smith , jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 08:20:02 PST." <9603128293.AA829326577@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:50:11 +0100 Message-ID: <5759.829331411@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass wrote in message ID <9603128293.AA829326577@ccgate.infoworld.com>: > Average access times are supposed to be 11 ms. The fastest commonly > available drives are 8 ms, and the latest PC IDE drives sit at 12 ms or so. > Also, the 9 GB drives have huge amounts of data per cylinder and fast > spindle speeds. Why would they be slow? That's for sequential data accessing ... random data accessing across the entire disk is NASTY, esp. if you use it for a news spool, which generally requires accessing nearly every point on the disk very frequently. Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 12:06:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA26696 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (main.statsci.com [198.145.127.110]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26674 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statsci.com by main.statsci.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0u7oA5-000r3uC; Fri, 12 Apr 96 12:05 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.6 3/24/96 To: Chris Stenton cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Apr 1996 17:59:20 +0100." Reply-to: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:05:36 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chris Stenton wrote: > Is there a better 9GB drive I should be going for ... any advice would > be appreciated. I'd go for multiple smaller drives...we've had a 9Gb drive fail on us - losing that much disk space all at once is a pain. We managed to find various chunks of free space on other drives on our network, then restored 9Gb from backups, then played some magic tricks with amd maps to get things back to "normal" until we could get replacement disk space. Going with multiple drives has advantages of reducing your grief if a drive crashes (seems chances of multiple drives going at the same time ought to be less than the chance of a single drive going). It also gives you multiple spindles to be getting data off from at the same time (I would think that would make aggregate performance better). Of course, this is all anecdotal, heresay, "it makes sense to me" information without any hard benchmark data to back it up... Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 13:57:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19925 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA19854 Fri, 12 Apr 1996 13:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with ESMTP id XAA00652; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:55:54 +0300 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id XAA01266; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:40:45 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by acc0.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21511; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:34:09 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id XAA03437; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:34:08 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199604122034.XAA03437@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: [?] EQUINOX PCI 8-port serial board -- any opinions? To: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:34:08 +0300 (EET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I got a chance to put hands on a 8port PCI serial board, made by: EQUINOX One Equinox Way Sunrise, Florida 33351-6709 (954) 746-9000 (954) 746-9101 fax The device name is SST-8P (UNIX version), part No. 990302. Floppies with some drivers for SCO and other SysV are present. As I recall, the device isn't in the "supported" list. But probably someone already has opinion -- is it worth the time and effort to try? -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." Frank's Management Rule #1. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 15:00:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA12609 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storm.dgii.com (storm.dgii.com [199.86.5.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12580 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from keng@localhost) by storm.dgii.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA09543; Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:57:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Ken Germann Message-Id: <199504122157.QAA09543@storm.dgii.com> Subject: Anyone interested in porting a Linux driver to FreeBSD? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 16:57:20 -0500 (CDT) Cc: iap@storm.dgii.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Digi (formerly Digiboard) has released an 4 port EISA and will be releasing a 6 port PCI Switched Ethernet board called the RightSwitch. We've released a Linux driver to beta for this product. I wanted to see if someone would be interested in porting it for use with FreeBSD? Please contact me for details. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 18:43:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08485 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08480 Fri, 12 Apr 1996 18:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u7uVq-000wwwC; Fri, 12 Apr 96 18:52 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829359718; Fri, 12 Apr 96 17:15:26 PST Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 17:15:26 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603128293.AA829359718@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Gary Palmer" Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > That's for sequential data accessing ... random data accessing across > the entire disk is NASTY Why? There is nothing in the parameters that would indicate that they would be slow at this. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 19:23:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10915 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10910 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u7v8a-000wwvC; Fri, 12 Apr 96 19:32 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829362118; Fri, 12 Apr 96 21:11:55 PST Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 21:11:55 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603128293.AA829362118@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: scott@statsci.com, jacs@gnome.co.uk Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > It also gives you multiple > spindles to be getting data off from at the same time (I would think that > would make aggregate performance better). AFAIK, FreeBSD doesn't support striping or concurrent I/O on multiple disks. I could imagine writing a striping driver for it, though. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 19:23:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10963 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10954 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (sendmail/PALMER-1) with SMTP id DAA00514 ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:20:50 +0100 (BST) To: Brett Glass cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Gary Palmer" Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:15:26 PST." <9603128293.AA829359718@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 03:20:50 +0100 Message-ID: <512.829362050@palmer.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass wrote in message ID <9603128293.AA829359718@ccgate.infoworld.com>: > > That's for sequential data accessing ... random data accessing across > > the entire disk is NASTY > Why? There is nothing in the parameters that would indicate that they would > be slow at this. It's not so much that the drive is SLOW ... it's that there is so much data on the drive that you're constantly queueing stuff up for later retreival. I have a feeling that's one reason WC's news server was never quite up-to-date ... if it was down for a while, it had a hard time catching up. Unless you're doing sequential or single-user accessing of the drive, multiple, smaller drives are a lot better. (That, and it's a lot less of a loss to lose 4Gb than 9Gb)... Gary From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 19:55:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA12886 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:55:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12877 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA22264; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:54:24 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199604130254.TAA22264@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Anyone interested in porting a Linux driver to FreeBSD? To: keng@storm.dgii.com (Ken Germann) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 19:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, iap@storm.dgii.com In-Reply-To: <199504122157.QAA09543@storm.dgii.com> from Ken Germann at "Apr 12, 95 04:57:20 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Digi (formerly Digiboard) has released an 4 port EISA and will be > releasing a 6 port PCI Switched Ethernet board called the RightSwitch. > We've released a Linux driver to beta for this product. I wanted to see > if someone would be interested in porting it for use with FreeBSD? No interest in the EISA board, but on the PCI board what PCI/PCI bridge and what ethernet chips are used? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 21:15:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA16927 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jparnas.cybercom.net (jparnas.cybercom.net [205.198.82.58]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16918 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 21:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.cybercom.net (localhost.cybercom.net [127.0.0.1]) by jparnas.cybercom.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id AAA00142; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:12:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199604130412.AAA00142@jparnas.cybercom.net> X-Authentication-Warning: jparnas.cybercom.net: Host localhost.cybercom.net didn't use HELO protocol To: scott@statsci.com cc: Chris Stenton , hardware@freebsd.org X-External-Networks: yes Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 12 Apr 1996 12:05:36 PDT. Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:12:55 -0400 From: "Jacob M. Parnas" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message you write: >Chris Stenton wrote: > >> Is there a better 9GB drive I should be going for ... any advice would >> be appreciated. > 9 GB drives have advantages and disadvantages. The main advantage is especially for large servers, You can get more disk space on it. I think most of the other problems aren't too bad. You should be doing nightly backups on data you'd really miss losing. Last I checked, the 4.3 gig drives were a bit faster and used less power and may be smaller (not sure about the latter). Also, more disks running in parallel is an advantage as is leaving some physical space and controller slots available for future breakthroughs. If one can distribute the load over a bunch of disks, one can speed things up as one can if one makes the disks. If your working on an existing system, its really useful to have a feeling for where their bottleneck is in their system, be it cpupower, video card, disk, disk controller, disk type, disk controller type, etc. Use tools like periodic ps aux or ps vax into a file during problem times in the day. Read a good book on Unix performance tuning. (I think there's one bye Mike Loukides (an O'reilly book). You may need more memory or cache. You may need a faster network or file server or to have the disk local vs. via file-server. You need to figure out where the problem is. An archive source disk may be fine for something where it would be bad as a "one disk does it all" disk. I think some OS's can combine disks into virtual bigger disks for large filesystems. To be honest, I don't know if BSDI can do that. But if not, and you might have some large space for big file or database. Also, don't be shy about using the excellent program gzip/gunzip which can be used recuseively with the -r. It is great for saving space. Most source code can be made distclean to almost its original size and then gzip -r it for storage. Big things like X windows source can easily taped and removed from disks. Finally, I've heard, but not tested, that having extra controllers (fewer disks per controller). I'd try to get access to a lot of systems or get eval units or 30 day net controllers and calculate good transfer rates for a disk, etc. Hope that helps, Jacob From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Apr 12 23:06:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22366 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA22360 for ; Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA09620; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:04:35 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604130634.QAA09620@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 16:04:34 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9603128293.AA829326577@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "Brett Glass" at Apr 12, 96 08:20:02 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > > > Bear in mind that both these units are _slow_, > > Average access times are supposed to be 11 ms. The fastest commonly > available drives are 8 ms, and the latest PC IDE drives sit at 12 ms or so. > Also, the 9 GB drives have huge amounts of data per cylinder and fast > spindle speeds. Why would they be slow? "Average access times" are a bit of a furphy. Look at the 'full stroke' timings for starters. IDE disks are available with better "average access times" and 12 too. The problem with these disks is that ehy have a lot of platters, and thus large actuators. Large actuators are _heavy_, and slinging them around takes more power, and more time. > > and require specialised cooling to avoid thermal overload and premature > > death, > > I've never cooled one of these in any special way. Most dissipate less > power than the 40 MB Seagates I was using 10 years ago. What experiences > have you had to indicate that they need better cooling? 1991's that die after <6months use in news servers. Trying to handle such units removed from systems that have just been powered down 8) The 40M seagate you were using 10 years ago would have been working at less than 10% duty cycle, tops. Most of the power dissipation in a disk of this type is from the actuator servo and drivers, and these disks are typically used in applications where they get worked _hard_. (News spool, large FTP servers, webcaches) > > as well as a _serious_ power supply. A normal PC chassis is > > _totally_ inappropriate for these disks. > > I am now working on a review of several such disks, packaged in external > SCSI boxes for the Macintosh. None had anywhere near as big a power supply > as your typical tower case (250-300W). J. Random Tower's PSU will have most of it's balls behind the 5V rail. Locked rotor current for these drives (ie. at startup when they're winding up), and peak impulse current (hurling the actuator around) are both drawn from the 12V rail. You need a PSU designed for disks, _particularly_ if you're not sequencing startup of more than one. I have a disk tray here with a 400W supply (designed for disks), and you can hear it popping away in current limit spinning up four of the old Seagate Wren-VII disks. These guys are rated at 35W, about the same as the 1991 and the 9G Seagates. > If you've had speed problems with these drives, or have had them overheat, > I'd like to know about it -- it'd be worth trying to verify this > information. It sounds like you're looking at them in the context of Multimedia applications, and under those circumstances these issues aren't so significant. For all the bulk data throughput, MM apps don't actually work the disk very hard. > --Brett -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 13 09:42:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02059 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02050 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 09:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA07762 ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:42:28 +0200 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id SAA20687 ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:42:45 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.5/keltia-uucp-2.7) id NAA14356; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:55:49 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199604131155.NAA14356@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:55:48 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: scott@statsci.com, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9603128293.AA829362118@ccgate.infoworld.com> from Brett Glass at "Apr 12, 96 09:11:55 pm" X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1872 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Brett Glass said: > AFAIK, FreeBSD doesn't support striping or concurrent I/O on multiple > disks. I could imagine writing a striping driver for it, though. Just have a look at ccd: Can one of you kernel hackers take a look at the ccd code before we import it into the -current tree? The latest version is in: ftp://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/pub/ccd/ccd-960325.tar.gz The ccd home page is at: http://stampede.cs.berkeley.edu/ccd/ I think the tarfile (including a few patches) can go into the tree almost as it is except the ccd manual (is sys/dev/ccd/ccd.4, should be in share/man/man4?). We've accumulated a few revisions here, starting from NetBSD-1.1R, so I'll talk to Peter before importing it (probably will ask him to repository copy it in). Thanks Satoshi Here is part of the README: (3) What it does In case you don't know what it is, ccd is a disk array driver. You can combine several disk partitions into one "virtual disk". Then you can partition it or use the whole thing or add some pepper and salt or whatever you want. (4) What it does not There is no parity support yet. That's why its name doesn't resemble RAID in any form. However, there is mirroring available starting from the Jan/31 version. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #11: Tue Apr 9 20:14:48 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 13 12:35:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA21973 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from styx.aic.net (Styx.AIC.NET [194.67.30.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21964 Sat, 13 Apr 1996 12:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ran@localhost) by styx.aic.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01508; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:36:02 +0500 (BSD) From: "Ran d'Adi" Message-Id: <199604131836.XAA01508@styx.aic.net> Subject: Re: AMD PCI ethernet card. To: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:36:01 +0500 (BSD) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thank you people! Everything is ok. One detail: > lnc0 at 0xff80-0xff97 irq 9 drq 0 on isa > lnc0: PCnet-32 VL-Bus Ethernet controller, address 00:00:44:05:b0:8f but it is PCnet-PCI card ! :-( Thanks again, hrant. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 13 13:17:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24763 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24750 Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA21207; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 15:17:11 -0500 Received: from tserv.lodgenet.com(204.124.120.10) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma021205; Sat Apr 13 15:16:42 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by tserv.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id OAA15332; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:37:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA06451; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:39:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199604131939.OAA06451@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrew V. Stesin" cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [?] EQUINOX PCI 8-port serial board -- any opinions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Apr 1996 23:34:08 +0300." <199604122034.XAA03437@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:39:20 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We had one or two of them a while back, you're right they won't work with FreeBSD right now. I saw it work with SCO, whatever that's worth. If you're really sold on a PCI serial card, check out Stallion's, their card works with FreeBSD. It also supports up to 32 (maybe 64) ports off *one* pci slot. If the driver isn't in -current, it's available from ftp.stallion.com. You can probably get more info from Greg Ungerer . eric. "Andrew V. Stesin" writes: >Hello, > >I got a chance to put hands on a 8port PCI serial board, >made by: > EQUINOX > One Equinox Way > Sunrise, Florida 33351-6709 > (954) 746-9000 > (954) 746-9101 fax > >The device name is SST-8P (UNIX version), part No. 990302. >Floppies with some drivers for SCO and other SysV are present. > >As I recall, the device isn't in the "supported" list. But probably >someone already has opinion -- is it worth the time and effort >to try? > >-- > > With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. > > +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 > > "You may delegate authority, but not responsibility." > Frank's Management Rule #1. > From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 13 13:33:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA26039 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA26031 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 13:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0u8CAc-000wqZC; Sat, 13 Apr 96 13:43 PDT Received: from cc:Mail by ccgate.infoworld.com id AA829427555; Sat, 13 Apr 96 15:25:41 PST Date: Sat, 13 Apr 96 15:25:41 PST From: "Brett Glass" Message-Id: <9603138294.AA829427555@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Michael Smith Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > "Average access times" are a bit of a furphy. Look at the 'full stroke' > timings for starters. "Full stroke" timings don't take cylinder capacity into account, and are therefore not as good a metric. > J. Random Tower's PSU will have most of it's balls behind the 5V rail. Ratings are readily available, and show that most supplies are capable of supplying the SPIN-UP current of the latest disks (far more than is needed during actual use) continuously. Older disks might be a problem, but we're talking about today's technology. > It sounds like you're looking at them in the context of Multimedia > applications, and under those circumstances these issues aren't so > significant. For all the bulk data throughput, MM apps don't actually > work the disk very hard. Just try playing back several movies at the same time and listen to the thrashing! --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Apr 13 20:07:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16780 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16734 for ; Sat, 13 Apr 1996 20:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA11913; Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:05:41 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199604140335.NAA11913@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Micropolis 1991 AV 9GB Drive To: Brett_Glass@ccgate.infoworld.com (Brett Glass) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 13:05:41 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, jacs@gnome.co.uk, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9603138294.AA829427555@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "Brett Glass" at Apr 13, 96 03:25:41 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Brett Glass stands accused of saying: > > > "Average access times" are a bit of a furphy. Look at the 'full stroke' > > timings for starters. > > "Full stroke" timings don't take cylinder capacity into account, and are > therefore not as good a metric. Huh? Given an aribtrary distribution of data across the disk (the norm for a reasonably populated filesystem), full-stroke timings are _very_ relevant. Just because you're traversing "more data" doesn't make said traversal any _faster_. > > J. Random Tower's PSU will have most of it's balls behind the 5V rail. > > Ratings are readily available, and show that most supplies are capable of > supplying the SPIN-UP current of the latest disks (far more than is needed > during actual use) continuously. Older disks might be a problem, but we're > talking about today's technology. I'm suggesting that the disks you were talking about, ie. the 1991 and the Seagate equivalent, have harsh spinup current requirements, and that the average PC supply isn't really up to it. I stand by that, based on considerable personal experience 8) > > It sounds like you're looking at them in the context of Multimedia > > applications, and under those circumstances these issues aren't so > > significant. For all the bulk data throughput, MM apps don't actually > > work the disk very hard. > > Just try playing back several movies at the same time and listen to the > thrashing! ... sit next to one during an expire run on a large news spool. Remember to bring a coffee or three. 8) > --Brett -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[