From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 08:59:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA11364 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA11359 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0un5fW-000wzJC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 09:04 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA839174215; Sun, 04 Aug 96 09:39:26 PST Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 09:39:26 PST Message-Id: <9607048391.AA839174215@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Michael Smith , randy@zyzzyva.com Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD's only interest in the disk geometry is to match whatever the > BIOS thinks, so that it can correctly locate the beginning of its > partition on the disk. Finito. Is this really true? It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector mapping is done. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 09:41:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13197 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA13192 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA06472; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:39:36 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608041639.JAA06472@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9607048391.AA839174215@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com" at "Aug 4, 96 09:39:26 am" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > FreeBSD's only interest in the disk geometry is to match whatever the > > BIOS thinks, so that it can correctly locate the beginning of its > > partition on the disk. Finito. > > Is this really true? Yes. > It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to > cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector mapping > is done. That is to maintain compatibility with other operating systems, if you don't do this some other OS's fdisk may try to ``fix'' your MBR partition table for you and make a royal mess of things instead. Cylinder bondaries alignment must be retained if you ever let anything bug FreeBSD /sbin/fdisk near your disk drive. pfdisk will complain about off cylinder partition addresses, and if allowed try to correct them. Some of Microsoft's tools are not so nice, they'll just fix them without telling you about it. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 10:27:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14733 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA14722 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 10:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0un72H-000wzWC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 10:32 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA839179464; Sun, 04 Aug 96 11:24:24 PST Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 11:24:24 PST Message-Id: <9607048391.AA839179464@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to >> cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector >> mapping is done. > That is to maintain compatibility with other operating systems, if you > don't do this some other OS's fdisk may try to ``fix'' your MBR partition > table for you and make a royal mess of things instead. I said "slices," not "partitions." FreeBSD seems to insist upon moving things to cylinder boundaries even within partitions. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 11:04:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16474 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16466; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608041804.LAA16466@freefall.freebsd.org> To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Aug 1996 11:24:24 PST." <9607048391.AA839179464@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 11:04:24 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>> It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to >>> cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector >>> mapping is done. > >> That is to maintain compatibility with other operating systems, if you >> don't do this some other OS's fdisk may try to ``fix'' your MBR partition >> table for you and make a royal mess of things instead. > >I said "slices," not "partitions." FreeBSD seems to insist upon moving >things to cylinder boundaries even within partitions. I think you mean BSD paritions, not "slices". A partition to DOS is a "slice" to BSD. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 12:39:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19865 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19856; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02220; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:39:37 +0200 (MET DST) To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 04 Aug 1996 11:24:24 PST." <9607048391.AA839179464@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 21:39:36 +0200 Message-ID: <2218.839187576@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <9607048391.AA839179464@ccgate.infoworld.com>, BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.in foworld.com writes: >>> It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to >>> cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector >>> mapping is done. > >> That is to maintain compatibility with other operating systems, if you >> don't do this some other OS's fdisk may try to ``fix'' your MBR partition >> table for you and make a royal mess of things instead. > >I said "slices," not "partitions." FreeBSD seems to insist upon moving >things to cylinder boundaries even within partitions. That is also for backwards compatibility mode. 386BSD :-) we could nuke that now... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 14:54:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26377 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:54:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26367 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0unBDG-000wvRC; Sun, 4 Aug 96 14:59 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA839195514; Sun, 04 Aug 96 15:52:17 PST Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 15:52:17 PST Message-Id: <9607048391.AA839195514@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I think you mean BSD paritions, not "slices". A partition to DOS is a > "slice" to BSD. Maybe I do, then. But in any event, what I've noticed is that the program that creates areas for your filesystems, swap space, etc. seems to force things to "cylinder" boundaries. Which is silly, because the boundaries aren't the TRUE cylinder boundaries. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Aug 4 16:31:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01941 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA01936 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:31:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA00257; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:30:09 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608042330.QAA00257@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gibbs@freefall.freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <9607048391.AA839195514@ccgate.infoworld.com> from "BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com" at "Aug 4, 96 03:52:17 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I think you mean BSD paritions, not "slices". A partition to DOS is a > > "slice" to BSD. > > Maybe I do, then. But in any event, what I've noticed is that the program > that creates areas for your filesystems, swap space, etc. seems to force > things to "cylinder" boundaries. Which is silly, because the boundaries > aren't the TRUE cylinder boundaries. sysinstall is the only thing that I know of that does this, I can put things where ever I wish with disklabel, even make them overlap... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 5 02:35:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA04907 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA04902 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA09191; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:27:44 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:27:44 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199608050927.TAA09191@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to >> cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector mapping >> is done. >That is to maintain compatibility with other operating systems, if you don't >do this some other OS's fdisk may try to ``fix'' your MBR partition table >for you and make a royal mess of things instead. Sysinstall may do this, but fdisk(8) lets you put the slices wherever you want. >Cylinder bondaries alignment must be retained if you ever let anything >bug FreeBSD /sbin/fdisk near your disk drive. Wrong. The primary DOS partition is normally NOT aligned to a cylinder boundary. It normally starts 1 track after a cylinder boundary. I used to start it 1 sector after a cylinder boundary. DOS 3.2 had no problems with this. Logical drives within extended partitions are normally NOT aligned to a cylinder boundary. They normally start 1 track after a cylinder boundary (1 track after the start of an extended partition which normally does start on a cylinder boundary). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Aug 5 02:43:30 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA05180 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA05166 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 02:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA09932; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:37:04 +1000 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 19:37:04 +1000 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199608050937.TAA09932@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com, phk@critter.tfs.com Subject: Re: Mapped geometry vs. Actual Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, randy@zyzzyva.com, rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>> It seems as if it also tries to force disk slices to >>>> cylinder boundaries -- which is silly on ZBR drives or when sector >>>> mapping is done. >>... >>I said "slices," not "partitions." FreeBSD seems to insist upon moving >>things to cylinder boundaries even within partitions. >That is also for backwards compatibility mode. 386BSD :-) NetBSD, OpenBSD, ... I don't think there was ever such a restriction. However, ufs wants to do things in terms of cylinder groups so partial cylinder [groups?] at best wastes space for partitions that contain ufs file systems. It sometimes wastes a lot of space - try newfs with the default parameters on a floppy. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 09:30:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28224 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:30:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@mindbender.headcandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28207; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19281; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 09:28:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608061628.JAA19281@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: netbsd-current@netbsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: P6 Natoma chipset Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 09:28:50 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). Has anyone discovered any horrible bugs in the Natoma (440FX) chipset, or is it working well so far? I also remember reading something about someone having quality problems with SuperMicro motherboards. Any opinions on SuperMicro versus ASUS, WRT build quality, reliability, support, and speed? Thanks for your feedback. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 10:11:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00641 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00621; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (localhost.star-gate.com [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00443; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608061709.KAA00443@rah.star-gate.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: netbsd-current@netbsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 09:28:50 PDT." <199608061628.JAA19281@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 10:09:07 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You may find the following interesting: http://www.u-net.com/~sysdoc/hardware.htm >From The Desk Of "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" : > > I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably > a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has > some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). > > Has anyone discovered any horrible bugs in the Natoma (440FX) chipset, > or is it working well so far? > > I also remember reading something about someone having quality > problems with SuperMicro motherboards. Any opinions on SuperMicro > versus ASUS, WRT build quality, reliability, support, and speed? > > Thanks for your feedback. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > > Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. > If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 10:56:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03709 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from falcon.tioga.com (root@falcon.tioga.com [205.146.65.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03704 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tbalfe@localhost) by falcon.tioga.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21292 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Balfe To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: 3Com 3c590 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone this error? vx0 <3Com 3c590 EtherLink III PCI> rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:17 aui/bnc/utp[*UTP*] address %D Warning! Defective early revision adapter! How can we fix this? ======================================================================== Thomas J Balfe tbalfe@tioga.com President http://www.tioga.com/ Tioga Communications, Inc 814-867-4770 ======================================================================== "Humanity has been compared...to a sleeper who handles matches in his sleep and wakes to find himself in flames." - H.G. Wells The World Set Free 1914 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 10:58:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03819 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dympna (dympna.lgc.com [134.132.73.254]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03813 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dympna (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA09622; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:56:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:56:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@dympna To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: netbsd-current@netbsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-Reply-To: <199608061628.JAA19281@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've got a Dual CPU Natoma board (OEM Microsatar) with one CPU. It runs quite well. FreeBSD-current builds in 3800sec, kernels in 215sec. It apparently includes the IRDA and USB header, I haven't looked for either. Interestingly, the machine runs a neural net benchmark (lots of FPU) twice as fast as the Indigo2 250MHz on my desk. The SGI is using the fancy SGI compiler... On a side note: I noticed a program (DOS) called VIDSPEED which enables several features (write posting and write combining) for the orion that appear to work with the Natoma. Under DOS they've increased PCI graphics card throughput from 25M(pixel/byte?)/sec to 75M(pixel/byte?)/sec. I believe that this is actually generic to the PCI bus and not just the graphics card. I was wondering if anyone seen the critter and docs and if this could be (or already is) included in Free/NetBSD. -Rob On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably > a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has > some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). > > Has anyone discovered any horrible bugs in the Natoma (440FX) chipset, > or is it working well so far? > > I also remember reading something about someone having quality > problems with SuperMicro motherboards. Any opinions on SuperMicro > versus ASUS, WRT build quality, reliability, support, and speed? > > Thanks for your feedback. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > > Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. > If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 11:25:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06931 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (root@gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA06926 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gallup.cia-g.com (gallup.cia-g.com [206.206.162.10]) by gallup.cia-g.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10857; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:26:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:26:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Stephen Fisher To: Thomas J Balfe cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com 3c590 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Everyone gets that. It can be safely ignored as far as I know. On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Thomas J Balfe wrote: > Has anyone this error? > > vx0 <3Com 3c590 EtherLink III PCI> rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:17 > aui/bnc/utp[*UTP*] address %D > Warning! Defective early revision adapter! - Steve - Systems Manager - Community Internet Access - http://www.cia-g.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 11:41:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08148 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:41:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ulc199.residence.gatech.edu (ken@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu [199.77.162.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08141 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by ulc199.residence.gatech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14299 Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608061841.OAA14299@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset To: michaelv@HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608061628.JAA19281@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Aug 6, 96 09:28:50 am" From: Kenneth Merry X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ directed to hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org and netbsd-current@netbsd.org trimmed from CC line ] > I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably > a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has > some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). I, too am thinking about getting a dual-P6 board. The problem is finding one that I know will be good... That particular Orion bug only affected the pre-B0 steppings of the chipset. From Rod Grimes: (7/17/96, freebsd-hardware) ===== One more time.... Chip sets belowing stepping B0 have a PCI bus mastering bug that prevents data tranfer rates to reach much beyond 4.4MB/s on the PCI bus. There is a fundemental flaw in the design of the chipset/CPU interface logic as well, that will never be fixed which has a significant impact on CPU/Memory bandwidth. ===== > Has anyone discovered any horrible bugs in the Natoma (440FX) chipset, > or is it working well so far? > > I also remember reading something about someone having quality > problems with SuperMicro motherboards. Any opinions on SuperMicro > versus ASUS, WRT build quality, reliability, support, and speed? Has anyone seen either of the ASUS dual processor boards? According to their web page (http://asustek.asus.com.tw/), the P/I-P65UP5 and the P/E-P6RP7D can handle two processors. The first one has the ability to take either two Pentium or P6 processors, on a card. (the chipset is also on the card.) I haven't seen either board advertised anywhere. The SuperMicro P6DNF looks pretty spiffy, too, but I'd rather have more PCI slots. (One of the ASUS boards has 5, and the other 6 usable PCI slots.) Also, the ASUS boards have NCR SCSI bios, which would be nice to have. Has anyone seen the Pentium Pro chips with the 512K L2 cache? The only place I've seen them advertised is ALR. Anyway, if anyone can shed some light on the SMP motherboard arena, I'd appreciate it. :) Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 13:59:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22841 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22766 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA03750; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:58:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199608062058.OAA03750@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Kenneth Merry cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 14:41:32 EDT." <199608061841.OAA14299@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 14:58:32 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > That particular Orion bug only affected the pre-B0 steppings of the > chipset. From Rod Grimes: (7/17/96, freebsd-hardware) > ... > There > is a fundemental flaw in the design of the chipset/CPU interface logic > as well, that will never be fixed which has a significant impact on > CPU/Memory bandwidth. don't ignore this fact! > Has anyone seen the Pentium Pro chips with the 512K L2 cache? The > only place I've seen them advertised is ALR. http://www.atipa.com (8-05-96) Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1299 Heat Sink/Fan $15 Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $605 Heat Sink/Fan $15 Intel Pentium 200 $720 Heat Sink/Fan $11 -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 14:21:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26940 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.iafrica.com (root@chain.iafrica.com [196.7.74.174]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26890; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 14:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (khetan@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chain.iafrica.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA00236; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:15:00 +0200 (SAT) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 23:14:59 +0200 (SAT) From: Khetan Gajjar To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: aic0 problems with CD-ROM spin-up Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi. I'm running FreeBSD 2-2 current, with the latest (as of yesterday) sources. I've only recently picked up a problem with my CD-ROM drive (a NEC external 6x SCSI-2 drive). I've got a Adaptec AVA-1515 SCSI card, which uses the AIC6360 chipset. I've recently replaced my motherboard and processor. I've got a Cyrix 6x86 P150+ with a 512kb pipeline burst cache motherboard that uses the Intel 82439HX chipset. The Adaptec card is ISA, btw. I've only recently noticed this problem (like in the last month or so). What I've noticed is that I can't access my CD-ROM drive for either data or music. The good old mount /cdrom used to work great; now, if I type it as root, the system just stops responding. I can suspend it and/or cancel it the first time, but a process of mount /dev/cd0a is suspended in a D state. If I re-issue the command, the machine locks up. If I don't re-issue it and just wait, I get timed out errors - to the effect of Aug 6 22:15:25 chain /kernel: cd0(aic0:1:0): timed out - it doesn't stop, and just keeps cycling that message, with all other processes on the machine suspended. I've checked the hardware,scsi,current and stable lists and saw some mention of this problem, and that you had to get the drive to spin up and mount it while it was spun up. How do I get it to spin up ? Has the problem been fixed, or is it still a genuine problem ? Please reply directly, as I'm not on -scsi or -hardware. I am on -current. As an aside (I know this isn't cool, but I'm not going to write another message for a very simple query), is there support in FreeBSD for dma mode 2 for mode 4 IDE drives ? I believe there's a patch called triton.c you need to apply; I've never heard of it and don't know where you can get it, but the source was reasonably reliable (as your friends can be ;-) It apparently dramatically speeds up accesses to IDE drives that support PIO Mode 4 for those poor guys (like me) who're still running IDE and not SCSI (not out of choice). FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Sun Aug 4 03:41:16 SAT 1996 khetan@chain.iafrica.com:/drive2/src/sys/compile/KHETAN Calibrating clock(s) relative to mc146818A clock... i8254 clock: 1193289 Hz CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30658560 (29940K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x300-0x31f irq 5 on isa ed0: address 00:80:c8:2e:e4:2c, type NE2000 (16 bit) sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface psm0 at 0x60-0x63 irq 12 on motherboard fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 325MB (666624 sectors), 768 cyls, 14 heads, 62 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): wd1: 1039MB (2128896 sectors), 2112 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S aic0 at 0x340-0x35f irq 11 on isa (aic0:1:0): "NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:502 2.0r" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(aic0:1:0): CD-ROM cd0(aic0:1:0): NOT READY asc:3a,0 Medium not present can't get the size gus0 at 0x220 irq 9 drq 1 on isa gus0: npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd1a --- Khetan Gajjar [ http://www.iafrica.com/~khetan ] UUNet Internet Africa [ 0800-030-002 & help@iafrica.com ] Get rid of Telkom.... [ http://www.ispa.org.za ] I'm a FreeBSD User! [ http://www.freebsd.org ] Any opinions stated in this message are personal. UIA's official policy may not be reflected in this message. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 15:06:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03453 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macbeth.ienet.com (macbeth.ienet.com [207.78.32.52]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03441 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brutus.ienet.com (brit.ienet.com [207.78.32.155]) by macbeth.ienet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07419 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3207C283.383F@ienet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 15:09:07 -0700 From: Terry Lee Organization: Internet Express Network, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk If I have a FreeBSD system that has only one drive, or two drives on two separate IDE channels, and that's all I'm ever going to have, is there any reason to go SCSI over IDE? Terry -- Terry Lee Technical Director mailto:terryl@ienet.com I N T E R N E T D E S I G N G R O U P 213.488.6100 fax.488.6101 A Division of INTERNET EXPRESS NETWORK, INC http://www.mall.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 15:07:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03541 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA03527 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03997; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:04:28 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608062204.PAA03997@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset To: smp@csn.net (Steve Passe) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ken@gt.ed.net, hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199608062058.OAA03750@clem.systemsix.com> from Steve Passe at "Aug 6, 96 02:58:32 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > > > That particular Orion bug only affected the pre-B0 steppings of the > > chipset. From Rod Grimes: (7/17/96, freebsd-hardware) > > ... > > There > > is a fundemental flaw in the design of the chipset/CPU interface logic > > as well, that will never be fixed which has a significant impact on > > CPU/Memory bandwidth. > don't ignore this fact! Yes, please don't ignore the other problems with Orion. From my testing it looks as if Natoma is 2x faster at main memory access than Orion, or Triton, or Triton II. My customers are finally saying, yea, this performs more like what I expected :-) Bottom line, avoid Orion chipset based motherboards, at ANY stepping. I don't have any data on SMP Natoma boards, but the ASUS PCI/I-P6NP5 board is working like a champ for me and my clients. > > Has anyone seen the Pentium Pro chips with the 512K L2 cache? The > > only place I've seen them advertised is ALR. > http://www.atipa.com (8-05-96) > > Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1299 Heat Sink/Fan $15 > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $605 Heat Sink/Fan $15 Yea, right... $1299-$605 == $694.00, just don't seem right for an additonal 256K of cache. I've seen this and similiar numbers around, but no one can actuall say, ``YES'', I have a chip right here in my hand I can sell you. And as usual, expect that 512K price to drop substantially over the next 30 to 60 days... right now demand is 2 orders of magnitude higher than supply and thus is going to keep that price really high. > Intel Pentium 200 $720 Heat Sink/Fan $11 Opppss... another Intel Bogon, Pentium without any cache is more expensive than Pentium Pro with 256K of very fancy cache. Hummm.. go figure :-) I don't expect to see very good performance from a 3X clocked CPU, the 166Mhz Pentium already spends enough cycles stalled waiting for external cache/memory as is, increasing the core to 200Mhz is just going to aggrivate the main memory bottleneck. Now to my question... anyone seen a motherboard manufacturer who is _shipping_ a VIA VP-2 chipset based motherboard? Anyone actually have there hands on a P6-200/512K or a P5/200 CPU Chip? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 15:11:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA04068 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pegasus.com (pegasus.com [140.174.243.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA04026 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pegasus.com (8.6.8/PEGASUS-2.2) id MAA06454; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:10:38 -1000 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 12:10:38 -1000 From: richard@pegasus.com (Richard Foulk) Message-Id: <199608062210.MAA06454@pegasus.com> In-Reply-To: Steve Passe "Re: P6 Natoma chipset" (Aug 6, 2:58pm) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > Has anyone seen the Pentium Pro chips with the 512K L2 cache? The } > only place I've seen them advertised is ALR. } http://www.atipa.com (8-05-96) } } Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1299 Heat Sink/Fan $15 } Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $605 Heat Sink/Fan $15 That seems like an awful lot to pay for a very small performance gain. Richard From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 15:42:31 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07021 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tippy.cybernet.com (tippy.cybernet.com [192.245.33.86]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06984; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pcobb@localhost) by tippy.cybernet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00913; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199608061628.JAA19281@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: pcobb@cybernet.com From: "Paul N. Cobb" To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Subject: RE: P6 Natoma chipset Cc: netbsd-current@netbsd.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I just bought a P6 200 Mhz with the Natoma Chipset and it is definately faster moving memory around than the Orion 450 chipset. We've got one of those also and it it disappointingly slow. On 06-Aug-96 "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" wrote: >>I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably >a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has >some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). > >Has anyone discovered any horrible bugs in the Natoma (440FX) chipset, >or is it working well so far? > >I also remember reading something about someone having quality >problems with SuperMicro motherboards. Any opinions on SuperMicro >versus ASUS, WRT build quality, reliability, support, and speed? > >Thanks for your feedback. > >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com > --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- > NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, > Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... > NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... > > Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. > If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Cobb Research Engineer pcobb@cybernet.com Cybernet Systems Corp. (313)668-2567 Ann Arbor, MI 'Is this a special moment or should we be disturbed?' - The Tick ----------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 15:46:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07555 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn032-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07547 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA03566 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:44:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.com: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 18:44:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to install 2.1 to my new machine. During the device probe at boot, I am getting the following error: ahc0:A:0 refuses synchronous negotiation, using asynchronous transfers This is from memory so it may not be verbatim. The SCSI controller is an Adaptec 2940 (device 7), the drive is a Micropolis 4421 (device 0). Does anyone recognize this error? Do I have something set wrong? The Adaptec is set to factory defaults. The drive has jumpers on pins: PTY - Bus parity check option W1 - Term power from drive W3 - +5v to bus W4 - Interface termination Thanks, Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 16:21:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA12459 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12446; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:21:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608062321.QAA12446@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Frank Seltzer cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 18:44:08 EDT." Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 16:21:42 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Try installing 2.1.5R instead. There have been lots of bug fixes to that driver since 2.1R. >I am trying to install 2.1 to my new machine. During the device probe at >boot, I am getting the following error: > >ahc0:A:0 refuses synchronous negotiation, using asynchronous transfers > >This is from memory so it may not be verbatim. The SCSI controller is an >Adaptec 2940 (device 7), the drive is a Micropolis 4421 (device 0). > >Does anyone recognize this error? Do I have something set wrong? The >Adaptec is set to factory defaults. The drive has jumpers on pins: > > PTY - Bus parity check option > W1 - Term power from drive > W3 - +5v to bus > W4 - Interface termination > >Thanks, >Frank >-- >Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a >draft dodger sleeps in the White House. > > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 16:35:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14113 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA14099 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.chromatic.com (server1.chromatic.com [199.5.224.120]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28008; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hua@localhost) by server1.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26461; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608062334.QAA26461@server1.chromatic.com> X-Authentication-Warning: server1.chromatic.com: hua owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: server1.chromatic.com: Host hua@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Stephen Fisher cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3Com 3c590 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 12:26:47 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 16:34:32 -0700 From: Ernest Hua Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm still getting that silly hanging on a 3c595. Would the person maintaining/responsible for 3c595 support please contact me ASAP? Thanks! Ern > Everyone gets that. It can be safely ignored as far as I know. > > > Has anyone this error? > > > > vx0 <3Com 3c590 EtherLink III PCI> rev 0 int a irq 9 on pci0:17 > > aui/bnc/utp[*UTP*] address %D > > Warning! Defective early revision adapter! From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 16:58:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA16328 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (root@phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16323 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@asimov.volant.org Received: from asimov.volant.org (asimov.phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA26027; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by asimov.volant.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08834; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:58:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 16:58:54 -0700 Message-Id: <9608062358.AA08834@asimov.volant.org> To: hardware@freebsd.org, gfoster@gfoster.com Subject: Re: Iomega SCSI Jaz drives? Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.volant.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: chGb9vN0Y2Dro74IYyFqbg== Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |> Anybody using one of these puppies? Is it required that you boot with |> a disk in place? Any geometry "gotchas?" Yes. No. Not that I know of. I installed two, one internal and one external, on a machine I use for multiple OSes. The internal Jaz drive is the boot drive. (This allows me to isolate each installed OS from the others; which reduces my worry level significantly...) In FreeBSD, not having a cartridge installed in the second drive at boot time just means that it won't be automatically mounted during the boot sequence. Cartridges may be manually mounted and unmounted (or used raw) at any time. (In fact, using FreeBSD to dd between the raw drive and a tape is the easiest way I currently have to make an image copy of an MS-WINDOWS boot disk. Windows95 recognizes the boot drive as removable; but won't do a diskcopy on it...) On the geometry issue; so far I haven't actually attempted to initialize a new cartridge as a non-boot disk under FreeBSD. But the sysinstall went fine; and I have made working backups via drive-to-drive dd. -Pat P.S. For the morbidly curious, the OSes I have installed, or intend to install in the near future, on this machine are: FreeBSD 2.1R (soon to upgrade to 2.1.5), OS/2 Warp, MS-DOS 6.22, MS-WINDOWS 3.1, Windows95, Windows-NT, Solaris 2.4. P.P.S. The only reason for the MicroLimp OSes is that I'm a consultant. People occasionally PAY me to develop or port to them. My opinions are my own. For a small royalty, they can be yours as well... Pat Lashley, Senior Software Engineer, Henry Davis Consulting patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG http://Phoenix.Volant.ORG/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 17:01:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16514 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn032-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16509 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:01:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04291; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.com: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: "Justin T. Gibbs" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199608062321.QAA12446@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > Try installing 2.1.5R instead. There have been lots of bug fixes > to that driver since 2.1R. > > -- > Justin T. Gibbs > =========================================== > FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations > =========================================== I have to wait for the CD. Due to a slightly flaky link with my ISP(who uses Linux) I can not do an FTP install. Is this a known problem with this drive or controller? Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 17:05:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16728 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16719; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608070005.RAA16719@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Frank Seltzer cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your mail In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 06 Aug 1996 19:59:21 EDT." Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 17:05:13 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> Try installing 2.1.5R instead. There have been lots of bug fixes >> to that driver since 2.1R. >> >> -- >> Justin T. Gibbs >> =========================================== >> FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations >> =========================================== I don't know. 2.1R was a long time ago, and I only remeber the bugs I fix in the driver for so long... I don't know of any problems with that drive though. > >I have to wait for the CD. Due to a slightly flaky link with my ISP(who >uses Linux) I can not do an FTP install. > >Is this a known problem with this drive or controller? > >Frank >-- >Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a >draft dodger sleeps in the White House. > > -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 17:05:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16767 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhp.com (dhp.com [199.245.105.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16751 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 17:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jaeger@localhost) by dhp.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) id UAA05442; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:05:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: jaeger To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-Reply-To: <199608062204.PAA03997@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Intel Pentium Pro 200 512K $1299 Heat Sink/Fan $15 > > Intel Pentium Pro 200 256K $605 Heat Sink/Fan $15 > > Yea, right... $1299-$605 == $694.00, just don't seem right for an additonal > 256K of cache. I've seen this and similiar numbers around, but no one can > actuall say, ``YES'', I have a chip right here in my hand I can sell you. This is very deliberate. Before the p6 was introduced, there was an announcement of the pricing structure for the 256k and 512k cache models and the difference was proportional. Intel has positioned the 512k version as a "server only" chip and as usualy, the "server" people get screwed because after all, only businesses who can afford this extra cost need "servers." > And as usual, expect that 512K price to drop substantially over the next > 30 to 60 days... right now demand is 2 orders of magnitude higher than supply > and thus is going to keep that price really high. As per above, I suspect not. > > > Intel Pentium 200 $720 Heat Sink/Fan $11 > > Opppss... another Intel Bogon, Pentium without any cache is more expensive > than Pentium Pro with 256K of very fancy cache. Hummm.. go figure :-) I This is also deliberate. Intel is pushing the P6, which essentially has no competition (as opposed to the P5 which appears to be fighting a losing battle with Cyrix's 6x86 series). The Wintel crowd is desperate to remain with the P5 series, since they've been convinced by the trade rags that they'll see no performance improvement with their (mostly 16-bit) code. Intel pushes the P6 technology and makes a pretty penny off of the stubborn at the same time. Don't knock it, we get the benefits :-). > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD -jaeger From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 20:50:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA01386 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@mindbender.headcandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01376 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA21032; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 20:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608070350.UAA21032@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Rob Snow cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Aug 96 12:56:42 -0500. Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 20:50:33 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I've got a Dual CPU Natoma board (OEM Microsatar) with one CPU. It runs [...] >On a side note: >I noticed a program (DOS) called VIDSPEED which enables several features >(write posting and write combining) for the orion that appear to work with >the Natoma. Under DOS they've increased PCI graphics card throughput from >25M(pixel/byte?)/sec to 75M(pixel/byte?)/sec. I believe that >this is actually generic to the PCI bus and not just the graphics >card. I was wondering if anyone seen the critter and docs and if this >could be (or already is) included in Free/NetBSD. I believe a decent current BIOS should be able to do this. I just ordered the SuperMicro Dual P6 board (with one 200MHz CPU). Well see when it arrives. :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 6 21:00:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA02631 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.HeadCandy.com (root@mindbender.headcandy.com [199.238.225.168]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA02613 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.HeadCandy.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA21062; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 21:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608070400.VAA21062@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.HeadCandy.com: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Kenneth Merry cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: P6 Natoma chipset In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 06 Aug 96 14:41:32 -0400. <199608061841.OAA14299@ulc199.residence.gatech.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 21:00:19 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> I'm going to be buying a 200MHz Pentium Pro and motherboard (probably >> a dual-CPU) in the next week or two. I know the Orion chipset has >> some nasty bugs (like the 4MB/s PCI bus speed). > That particular Orion bug only affected the pre-B0 steppings of the >chipset. From Rod Grimes: (7/17/96, freebsd-hardware) >===== >One more time.... >Chip sets belowing stepping B0 have a PCI bus mastering bug that prevents >data tranfer rates to reach much beyond 4.4MB/s on the PCI bus. There >is a fundemental flaw in the design of the chipset/CPU interface logic >as well, that will never be fixed which has a significant impact on >CPU/Memory bandwidth. >===== Read the last sentence again. Actually, what you quote says that there is a design deficiency which will never be fixed in the Orion chipset. The Orion chipset just makes me nervous... I'll go with the Natoma. > The SuperMicro P6DNF looks pretty spiffy, too, but I'd rather have >more PCI slots. (One of the ASUS boards has 5, and the other 6 usable PCI >slots.) Also, the ASUS boards have NCR SCSI bios, which would be nice to >have. I just ordered one. We'll see how spiffy it is in a week or so. :-) > Has anyone seen the Pentium Pro chips with the 512K L2 cache? The >only place I've seen them advertised is ALR. No... I have a feeling they would be obscenely expensive if you could find them. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@HeadCandy.com --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... Roll your own Internet access -- Seattle People's Internet cooperative. If you're in the Seattle area, ask me how. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 11:54:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28995 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from public.jn.sd.cn (public.jn.sd.cn [202.102.128.111]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28990 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp33.jn.sd.cn (ppp33.jn.sd.cn [202.102.129.33]) by public.jn.sd.cn (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id CAA11612 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:56:05 +0900 Received: by ppp33.jn.sd.cn with Microsoft Mail id <01BB84D5.18714EC0@ppp33.jn.sd.cn>; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:55:45 +-900 Message-ID: <01BB84D5.18714EC0@ppp33.jn.sd.cn> From: sdjn To: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: mouse in Xwindows Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 02:55:44 +-900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi,=20 I met problem when I config the Xwindows on my system(2.2-960801-SNAP).=20 When I run startx command, the xwindow didn't work and gave this message = " Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse: too many levels of symbolic = links). And I checked the /dev/mouse using "ls -l" and the list is: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 Aug 9 2:08 mouse -> mouse the mouse is a symbolic link to another mouse, so what's the problem? = How can I cut or change this link. By the way, I make the device "mouse" = using MAKEDEV and it returned no error. Thanks in advance! Yours, Song Lining From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 14:24:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA09978 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jbrann.dialup.access.net (jbrann.dialup.access.net [166.84.193.118]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09971 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jbrann@localhost) by jbrann.dialup.access.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21699; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199608072132.RAA21699@jbrann.dialup.access.net> Subject: Re: mouse in Xwindows To: sln@public.jn.sd.cn (sdjn) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <01BB84D5.18714EC0@ppp33.jn.sd.cn> from sdjn at "Aug 8, 96 02:55:44 am" From: John Brann Reply-To: John Brann Organisation: Not while I'm at home X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk sdjn wrote... > Hi, > > I met problem when I config the Xwindows on my system(2.2-960801-SNAP). > When I run startx command, the xwindow didn't work and gave this message " Fatal server error: Cannot open mouse: too many levels of symbolic links). And I checked the /dev/mouse using "ls -l" and the list is: > > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 Aug 9 2:08 mouse -> mouse > > the mouse is a symbolic link to another mouse, so what's the problem? How can I cut or change this link. By the way, I make the device "mouse" using MAKEDEV and it returned no error. > Nope, 'mouse' is a symbolic link to itself, which is a symbolic link to itself.... You need to remove this, and replace it with a link to the appropriate device. Which device depeneds on what kind of mouse you have... If you have a serial mouse on the first serial port (COM1 in DOS-speak), the device is /dev/cuaa0. For the second serial port - /dev/cuaa1. For a bus mouse - /dev/mse0 for a PS/2 mouse /dev/psm0 (requires kernel build). > > Thanks in advance! You're welcome. > > Yours, > Song Lining > John PS - please try to make sure yor lines don't wrap around - it can make your mail hard to read. -- Well, that's like hypnotizing chickens. finger jbrann@panix.com for pgp public key From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 17:16:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19395 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mole.mole.org (marmot.mole.org [204.216.57.191]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA19390 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by mole.mole.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA15391; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:16:12 GMT Received: from meerkat.mole.org(206.197.192.110) by mole.mole.org via smap (V1.3) id sma015387; Thu Aug 8 00:15:59 1996 Received: (from mrm@localhost) by meerkat.mole.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01478; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:15:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 17:15:58 -0700 From: "M.R.Murphy" Message-Id: <199608080015.RAA01478@meerkat.mole.org> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > If I have a FreeBSD system that has only one drive, or two drives on two > separate IDE channels, and that's all I'm ever going to have, is there > any reason to go SCSI over IDE? > Originally, the answer would be "SCSI Bus Mastering DMA puts much less load on your system. IDE requires CPU intervention for data transfer. A 386/25 with SCSI behaves like a 486/33 with IDE." Lately, however, I've obtained quite acceptable performance from fast IDE drives with fast CPU's (486DX4/120 and up). It seems that the CPU gets the tranfer done quickly enough to not make the user responsiveness of the system too sluggish. Not too sluggish for me, that is. That wasn't the case with slower CPU's. IDE's cheaper, though perhaps not appreciably. YMMV, try both. This is normally when the "SCSI is much better" argument starts. It is. Don't shoot. -- Mike Murphy mrm@Mole.ORG +1 619 598 5874 Better is the enemy of Good From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 19:04:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA25173 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25162; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id VAA03627; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:04:14 -0500 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199608080204.VAA03627@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: PCI Motherboards.. To: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:04:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for the somewhat on-topic but not quite message.. I am looking for PCI motherboards and hoping maybe someone had a few suggestions. I am not looking for any ol' PCI MB. I am looking for a MB that can handle multiple bus masters correctly (i.e. 486/Saturn II, or 586/Triton chipsets, etc). That's still not the hard part. I need to be able to handle 3 or 4 long PCI cards. The ASUS SP3G's and ASUS Triton-I boards I have here both have the CPU right in the wrong spot. I looked at an Intel Endeavor board and it looked somewhat promising, it looks to have three of four slots unobstructed. But I have zero experience with them. One of my PC vendor friends is pulling in a number of boards for eval, but I thought I would ask here first. Application: anything using things like an Adaptec 3985 (think: NFS file server) or a Znyx 314 (think: nifty router). Anyone solved this problem yet? :-) Thanks, ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/546-7968 From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 19:51:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA28572 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28533; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 19:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA24028; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:32:44 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608080302.MAA24028@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards.. To: jgreco@brasil.moneng.mei.com (Joe Greco) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:32:44 +0930 (CST) Cc: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199608080204.VAA03627@brasil.moneng.mei.com> from "Joe Greco" at Aug 7, 96 09:04:14 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Joe Greco stands accused of saying: > > I am not looking for any ol' PCI MB. I am looking for a MB that can > handle multiple bus masters correctly (i.e. 486/Saturn II, or 586/Triton > chipsets, etc). That's still not the hard part. > > I need to be able to handle 3 or 4 long PCI cards. > > The ASUS SP3G's and ASUS Triton-I boards I have here both have the CPU > right in the wrong spot. The current Soyo Triton boards have the CPU placed such that you can fit 3 long PCI cards (and only one long ISA card). These boards work very well for us; they have 256K PB cache on the board (still have a PB slot for more if you need it, but that would occlude one of the long PCI slots). They're also pretty cheap. > One of my PC vendor friends is pulling in a number of boards for eval, > but I thought I would ask here first. Your pal should have no trouble sourcing Soyo boards; if you need a proper part number let me know, but basically "Soyo Triton PB cache board" should be all they need. > Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 20:52:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA03612 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA03592 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA11898; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:50:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199608080350.VAA11898@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Joe Greco cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards.. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:04:14 CDT." <199608080204.VAA03627@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 21:50:38 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I need to be able to handle 3 or 4 long PCI cards. I just bought a gigabyte GA586DX and am quite happy with it. It is a dual cpu board with an ATX form factor. I believe they also make a single cpu flavor of this board. The ATX form factor solves the "full length slot" problem as the board is wider than long so most of the circuitry is to the side, NOT to the back of the board. check out: http://www.surfusa.com/mbs/ga/586dx.html and: http://www.intel.com/pc-supp/motherbd/atx.htm > Application: anything using things like an Adaptec 3985 (think: NFS file > server) or a Znyx 314 (think: nifty router). If only we could pry the 3985 specs out of Adaptec.... Nice feature of the above board is that it has an Adaptec 2940 UW circuit integrated onto the board, leaving a normally used PCI slot free. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 7 21:59:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07235 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07230 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA25333 for hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:43:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608080513.OAA25333@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Jaz drive suppliers & details? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:43:14 +0930 (CST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk G'day peoples. Warner's comments recently elsewhere about the joys of using a Jaz for managing one's hopeless pile of data have me wondering whether I can make that work for me too, so I've been searching for the best deals and details on the whole kit. Local suppliers want about AUD$1100 for an external Jaz. (about $US900) Not so good. Pricewatch sent me to Essential Data who want US$499 for the same item. Looks better. (www.essential-data.com) Now, what I haven't been able to find out is how the external Jaz is _powered_. See, over here our electrons are upside down, and your average US wall wart has a hard time with that. In addition, I travel a fair bit and am likely to want to take such a useful device with me, so I'd either want a range of warts (yuck but bearable), or an autosensing one (nicer). So knowing what the unit's actual requirements were would be helpful. (That's volts, amps, and what the funny little plug looks like.) If the external unit is just a total loss, I'd have to go for an internal and the smallest external case I could find, which would be OK but somewhat bulkier (not so good). Anyway, any comments on whether the above deal and dealer are any good, and any input from Jaz owners would be appreciated. Anyone who knows anything about the upcoming Syquest unit, or any other cartridge disk of similar price/capacity should feel welcome to expound also! Ta. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 08:16:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13206 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tyger.inna.net (root@tyger.inna.net [206.151.66.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA13190; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 08:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from caught.inna.net (tom@caught.inna.net [206.151.66.7]) by tyger.inna.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20548; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:16:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Arnold To: Joe Greco cc: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PCI Motherboards.. In-Reply-To: <199608080204.VAA03627@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Joe Greco wrote: > I am not looking for any ol' PCI MB. I am looking for a MB that can > handle multiple bus masters correctly (i.e. 486/Saturn II, or 586/Triton > chipsets, etc). That's still not the hard part. > > I need to be able to handle 3 or 4 long PCI cards. > > The ASUS SP3G's and ASUS Triton-I boards I have here both have the CPU > right in the wrong spot. Have a look at the Tyan Tomcat-I. 3 of the PCI slots are unobstructed, the fourth is in line with the CAIST socket. +-----------------------------------------------+ : Tom Arnold - No relation to Rosanne : : SysAdmin/Pres - TBI, Ltd ( inna.net ) : : The Middle Peninsula's Internet Connection : +-----------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 12:39:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA06998 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06973 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mars.mcs.com (root@Mars.mcs.com [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA08806; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:38:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:38 CDT Message-Id: Subject: EDO parity memory? To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:38:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm looking for parity EDO memory (8Mx36 60ns gold). Micron supposedly has this, and Toshiba has it announced in EE Times. Has anyone suceeded in getting this? How about parity EDO burst memory? (For Triton II computer). Jonas From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 14:11:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13246 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA13234 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (ns1.statsci.com) by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA23605 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:11:29 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.184] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uocMV-000QYDC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 14:11 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: "M.R.Murphy" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: <199608080015.RAA01478@meerkat.mole.org> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 07 Aug 1996 17:15:58 -0700." <199608080015.RAA01478@meerkat.mole.org> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:11:22 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk "M.R.Murphy" wrote: > Lately, however, I've obtained quite acceptable performance from > fast IDE drives with fast CPU's (486DX4/120 and up). It seems that > the CPU gets the tranfer done quickly enough to not make the user > responsiveness of the system too sluggish. Not too sluggish for > me, that is. That wasn't the case with slower CPU's. IDE's cheaper, > though perhaps not appreciably. YMMV, try both. "not appreciably"? I've been looking for a 2Gb disk lately and I've been seeing IDE 2Gb drives around $300 and the cheapest I've seen for a SCSI 2Gb drive has been around $450. I'd rather have the SCSI drive, but I don't have that kind of budget. > This is normally when the "SCSI is much better" argument starts. > It is. Don't shoot. I agree...I think. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 14:42:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA15583 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.181]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15562 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emu.fsl.noaa.gov (kelly@emu.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.60.32]) by gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA12603; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:42:19 GMT Message-Id: <199608082142.VAA12603@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260800590; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:43:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:43:10 -0600 From: Sean Kelly To: scott@statsci.com Cc: mrm@Mole.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, terryl@ienet.com In-Reply-To: (message from Scott Blachowicz on Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:11:22 -0700) Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> Scott Blachowicz writes: > "not appreciably"? I've been looking for a 2Gb disk lately and I've > been seeing IDE 2Gb drives around $300 and the cheapest I've seen > for a SCSI 2Gb drive has been around $450. Keep your eyes on Internet Shopping Network (http://www.isn.com/) ... that company occasionally sells Sequel DFRS 2.25GB SCSI hard drives for US$250-$300. --k From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 14:51:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16574 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA16565 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xsvr2.cup.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA283211107; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:48 -0700 Received: by xsvr2.cup.hp.com (1.39.111.2/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA190251105; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:45 -0700 From: "Josef C. Grosch" Message-Id: <9608081451.ZM19023@xsvr2.cup.hp.com> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:51:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: Scott Blachowicz "Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive" (Aug 8, 2:11pm) References: <199608080015.RAA01478@meerkat.mole.org> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10apr95) To: scott@statsci.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Aug 8, 2:11pm, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive > "M.R.Murphy" wrote: > > > Lately, however, I've obtained quite acceptable performance from > > fast IDE drives with fast CPU's (486DX4/120 and up). It seems that > > the CPU gets the tranfer done quickly enough to not make the user > > responsiveness of the system too sluggish. Not too sluggish for > > me, that is. That wasn't the case with slower CPU's. IDE's cheaper, > > though perhaps not appreciably. YMMV, try both. > > "not appreciably"? I've been looking for a 2Gb disk lately and I've been > seeing IDE 2Gb drives around $300 and the cheapest I've seen for a SCSI 2Gb > drive has been around $450. I'd rather have the SCSI drive, but I don't have > that kind of budget. > [ SNIP ] >-- End of excerpt from Scott Blachowicz I just say an ad for a 3 gig SCSI disk for $399.00 at Fry's (a local computer store chain). I don't mean to be difficult but I have seen 2 gig drives for around $300 to $325. Check out the computer shopper. There are SCSI disk for a little more money than IDE. Just have to look a little harder. Josef -- Josef Grosch, 47LG4 | "Laugh while you can, | My opinions are mine, not jgrosch@cup.hp.com | monkey boy!" | HPs. They have'nt paid for (408) 447-0467 | - John Warfin - | them yet ! :-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 15:00:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17841 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA17830 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uodHK-000x1VC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:10 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA839541459; Thu, 08 Aug 96 15:56:40 PST Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 15:56:40 PST Message-Id: <9607088395.AA839541459@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: scott@statsci.com, mrm@mole.org Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Your choice will depend upon whether you're looking for the cheapest possible drive of that capacity or the best performance per dollar spent. IDE is only cheap in dollars per megabyte; it'll cost you in slower performance and lost productivity. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 15:05:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18632 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18625 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from uplink.eng.umd.edu (uplink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.181]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21728; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by uplink.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA05081; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: uplink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:04:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@uplink.eng.umd.edu To: Scott Blachowicz cc: "M.R.Murphy" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > "M.R.Murphy" wrote: > > > Lately, however, I've obtained quite acceptable performance from > > fast IDE drives with fast CPU's (486DX4/120 and up). It seems that > > the CPU gets the tranfer done quickly enough to not make the user > > responsiveness of the system too sluggish. Not too sluggish for > > me, that is. That wasn't the case with slower CPU's. IDE's cheaper, > > though perhaps not appreciably. YMMV, try both. > > "not appreciably"? I've been looking for a 2Gb disk lately and I've been > seeing IDE 2Gb drives around $300 and the cheapest I've seen for a SCSI 2Gb > drive has been around $450. I'd rather have the SCSI drive, but I don't have > that kind of budget. I've seen this point so often, I'd thought I'd comment. I paid $360 each for my two newest 2GB SCSI disks: Jul 8 22:40:11 journey2 /kernel: (ncr0:1:0): "DEC DSP3210S 442A" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jul 8 22:40:11 journey2 /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): Direct-Access Jul 8 22:40:11 journey2 /kernel: sd1(ncr0:1:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jul 8 22:40:11 journey2 /kernel: 2047MB (4194303 512 byte sectors) Jul 8 22:40:12 journey2 /kernel: (ncr0:2:0): "DEC DSP3210D 442J" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 Jul 8 22:40:12 journey2 /kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): Direct-Access Jul 8 22:40:12 journey2 /kernel: sd2(ncr0:2:0): FAST SCSI-2 100ns (10 Mb/sec) offset 8. They're from Hi-Tech Distributors in LA, 800-406-1275. Scsi isn't always so expensive as everyone says, as long as you compare apples to apples (and not comparing the cheapest IDE quote against the most expensive SCSI quote). I have no doubt there's even cheaper out there. > > This is normally when the "SCSI is much better" argument starts. > > It is. Don't shoot. > > I agree...I think. > > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) > 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 > scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 > Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 15:34:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20929 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA20900 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (ns1.statsci.com) by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA17092 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:34:13 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.184] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uoded-000QYEC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 15:34 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: <199608082133.OAA14581@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:33:34 -0700." <199608082133.OAA14581@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:34:10 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Some of this was private email, some already on freebsd-hardware... > try www.corpsys.com I've looked there and am actually considering drives from there, but the inexpensive ones there seem to be full height 5.25" drives compared to the [what seems to be normal these days] half height 3.5" drives...takes a bit more space and probably a bit more power to run. Actually, the closest I saw (to the new 2Gb IDE drives I've been seeing all over) was: Seagate 2.9GB SCSI-II Drive $339 Fast SCSI 10MB/s burst rate 5400 RPM spindle speed 10ms average access time Brand new - one year warranty Full Height 5 1/4" drive it seems like all of their new drives seem to have a 90 day or one year warranty, where a lot of the others I've seen are 3-5 year warranties. > www.isn.com and their "Sequel DFRS 2.25GB SCSI hard drive" I think I've seen that before (but I can't find it on that site at the moment). Does that drive have a decent track record? They've also got some new drives getting down close to $400 (e.g. Micropolis 4421). > Fry's Computers (the chain in Calif) I've been to the stores in Campbell & Sunnyvale (if I remember correctly). I keep hoping for a store like Fry's up here in the Seattle area. Maybe I'll have to coerce one of my Bay Area relatives into browsing their stock? Any idea if they do mail order? Oh well, I don't know, we'll see...maybe I should do a little more WWW browsing? or finish going thru that Computer Shopper I just bought? or maybe it's time for an impulse buy at CompUSA (or whatever) one of these days...:-)) Thanx, Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:01:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22519 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22514 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (ns1.statsci.com) by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA22942 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:00:56 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.184] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uoe4S-000QYDC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:00 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Chuck Robey Cc: "M.R.Murphy" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 1996 18:04:14 -0400." Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:00:51 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > I've seen this point so often, I'd thought I'd comment. I paid $360 each > for my two newest 2GB SCSI disks: > ... > They're from Hi-Tech Distributors in LA, 800-406-1275. Any idea if they have a web page? I'll have to give them a call...I've seen mentions of them before (either a URL or an ad in Computer Shopper). > Scsi isn't always so expensive as everyone says, as long as you compare > apples to apples (and not comparing the cheapest IDE quote against > the most expensive SCSI quote). Which is what I've been trying to do...what I'd _like_ to find is a drive that is new (3-5 yr warranty), ~2Gb, 3.5" half height, reasonable performance (this is for a home PC that doesn't get pounded on heavily), decent track record and free :-)). Currently, my $$$ constraints are that I'd like to squeeze a V.34 modem upgrade (any opinions on the USR Sportsters for a home, primarily dial-out use?) out of the same ~$500 that I've accumulated in my computer upgrade budget. That basically puts my goal for disk drive price down in the low $300 range. I see IDE drives that I think fit the bill advertised in the Sunday newspaper at local stores and at various web sites. Finding SCSI drives that fit the bill seems to be a bit harder. > I have no doubt there's even cheaper out there. True...the trick is finding them. thanx, Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:06:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA22772 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22767 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baud.eng.umd.edu (baud.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.183]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22429; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by baud.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16192; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:06:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: baud.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:06:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@baud.eng.umd.edu To: Scott Blachowicz cc: "M.R.Murphy" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > I've seen this point so often, I'd thought I'd comment. I paid $360 each > > for my two newest 2GB SCSI disks: > > ... > > They're from Hi-Tech Distributors in LA, 800-406-1275. > > Any idea if they have a web page? I'll have to give them a call...I've > seen mentions of them before (either a URL or an ad in Computer Shopper). > > > Scsi isn't always so expensive as everyone says, as long as you compare > > apples to apples (and not comparing the cheapest IDE quote against > > the most expensive SCSI quote). > > Which is what I've been trying to do...what I'd _like_ to find is a drive > that is new (3-5 yr warranty), ~2Gb, 3.5" half height, reasonable > performance (this is for a home PC that doesn't get pounded on heavily), > decent track record and free :-)). Currently, my $$$ constraints are that > I'd like to squeeze a V.34 modem upgrade (any opinions on the USR > Sportsters for a home, primarily dial-out use?) out of the same ~$500 that > I've accumulated in my computer upgrade budget. That basically puts my > goal for disk drive price down in the low $300 range. Well, the drives I listed were 3.5 half heights, and seemed to run comparaively cool and quiet, but Hi Tech seems to get short runs of good drives. They do batches, I guess. http://www.internet-cafe.com/hi-tech/ > > I see IDE drives that I think fit the bill advertised in the Sunday > newspaper at local stores and at various web sites. Finding SCSI drives > that fit the bill seems to be a bit harder. > > > I have no doubt there's even cheaper out there. > > True...the trick is finding them. > > thanx, > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) > 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 > scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 > Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org > > > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:38:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24658 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA24653 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (ns1.statsci.com) by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA02901 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:38:46 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.184] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uoef7-000QYDC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:38 PDT Message-Id: To: Chuck Robey Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 1996 19:06:17 -0400." Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:38:44 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > Well, the drives I listed were 3.5 half heights, and seemed to run > comparaively cool and quiet, but Hi Tech seems to get short runs of good > drives. They do batches, I guess. http://www.internet-cafe.com/hi-tech/ FYI - they've moved to , and have a few new 2Gb SCSI drives... SIZE | MODEL #,INTER| MFG |COND| SPEED | FORM | PRICE | 2148 DSP3210D SC2D QUAN N 9.5MS 3.5"1.6" 349.00 2140 ST32430N SCSI2 SEAG N 11 MS 3.5"1" 449.00 2000 DSP5200S SCSI DIGI N 12.5MS 5.25"3" 299.00 Thanx, Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:46:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24949 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA24944 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from baud.eng.umd.edu (baud.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.183]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22838; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by baud.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16155; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:46:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: baud.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:46:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@baud.eng.umd.edu To: Scott Blachowicz cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > Chuck Robey wrote: > > Well, the drives I listed were 3.5 half heights, and seemed to run > > comparaively cool and quiet, but Hi Tech seems to get short runs of good > > drives. They do batches, I guess. http://www.internet-cafe.com/hi-tech/ > > FYI - they've moved to , and have a > few new 2Gb SCSI drives... > > SIZE | MODEL #,INTER| MFG |COND| SPEED | FORM | PRICE | > 2148 DSP3210D SC2D QUAN N 9.5MS 3.5"1.6" 349.00 > 2140 ST32430N SCSI2 SEAG N 11 MS 3.5"1" 449.00 > 2000 DSP5200S SCSI DIGI N 12.5MS 5.25"3" 299.00 That first one is what I have. Comes with a adapter, single to differntial scsi. Runs quiet, and relatively cool. My first choice if I need another drive. > > Thanx, > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) > 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 > scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 > Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and n3lxx, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 2.2 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:49:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25167 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn021-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25154 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA04817; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.com: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:43:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: Scott Blachowicz cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > Seagate 2.9GB SCSI-II Drive $339 > Fast SCSI 10MB/s burst rate > 5400 RPM spindle speed > 10ms average access time > Brand new - one year warranty > Full Height 5 1/4" drive Many of these places buy close out and surplus lots of older drives. That is why they are so cheap and the warranty is so short compared with current drives. > it seems like all of their new drives seem to have a 90 day or one year > warranty, where a lot of the others I've seen are 3-5 year warranties. > > I think I've seen that before (but I can't find it on that site at the moment). > Does that drive have a decent track record? They've also got some new drives > getting down close to $400 (e.g. Micropolis 4421). I have a new system with a Micropolis 4421 on an Adaptec 2940 controller. I have been having a hell of a time getting 2.1 installed on this combination. I will have to wait for 2.1.5 to arrive and see if it makes a difference. Until then I can not recommend this drive. I am not blaming the drive but it is a new model and the Adaptec 2940 is well known. > Thanx, > Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) > 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 > scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 > Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org > > Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:49:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25176 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25155 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA17282; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:45:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199608082345.RAA17282@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: scott@statsci.com cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:00:51 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:45:32 -0600 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I'd like to squeeze a V.34 modem upgrade (any opinions on the USR > Sportsters for a home, primarily dial-out use?) out of the same ~$500 that I bought several pairs and have NOT been happy with them. I have to keep a fan on them to keep them from negotiating down and/or locking up, >From some mail I found on the net (author unknown): > 1. There most definitely is a "new" V34 USR Sportster which represents > a total, radical redesign over those V34 Sportsters which were the > subject of the rave reviews in the magazines last year. > > 2. This "new" V34 Sportster is currently in distribution with firmware > eprom dates of: > 09-19-95 > 10-13-95 > 10-18-95 > 01-11-96 > All of which have been observed to contain operational anomalies in > various stages of evolution. The major bugs in 09-19, 10-13 and > 10-18 firmware manifest themselves as interoperability and > connectivity problems, ie, inability to connect without placing > multiple attempts and a propensity to abort that connection once > made. They also have been observed to simply freeze up when trans- > mitting data. The freeze-up problem continues in 01-11-96 firmware. > > 3. Users sending their "new" redesigned V34 Sportsters in for warranty > repair recently report receiving their modem back with a firmware > eprom date of: > 03-04-96 > Which tho a significant improvement over prior firmware versions, > still contains the intermittent FREEZE UP bug. > > 4. USRobotics R&D is obviously aware of the issues in earlier firmware, > as evidenced by the barrage of subsequent firmware "maintenance > releases". They are also said to be aware of the "freeze up" matter > and are reportedly working to address this nagging problem, although > as of 04/11/96 wasn't fixed yet. > > 5. MOST RECENTLY, USRobotics has ceased socketing the firmware eprom > IC chip on the V34 Sportster and begun SOLDERING IT TO THE BOARD, > MAKING FIELD REPLACEMENT IMPOSSIBLE. AWWWWWWWWWSHITTT!!!!! > > 6. The "new" V34 Sportster product can be identified on vendor's > shelves by examining the 8th place of the 16-digit product serial > number. External models containing the new circuit design begin > with serial numbers either 00083901 or 00083902 where the "01" > or "02" are the identifying characteristic. Internal models begin > with serial numbers either 00084001 or 00084002. Again the "01" > and "02" are the identifying characteristic. Prior design models > which -do not- contain the above discussed operational anomalies > contain a "0" in the 8th place, ie, 00083900 and 00084000. These > product serial numbers are listed on the product end-flap and may > be examined without opening the unit. INSTALLED modems may have > their "i7" screen interrogated, ie, ATI7 from any terminal > program. The "new" designed units will display a CLOCK FREQUENCY > of 92.0 Mhz. Prior designs use a 20.16 Mhz clock frequency. Also > the ATI7 screen can be interrogated to read the firmware eprom > date. Latest known firmware available carries the date 03-04-96. -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:55:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25662 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25656 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:55:42 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com by lserver.infoworld.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #12) id m0uof4w-000wzGC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:05 PDT Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA839548356; Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:49:55 PST Date: Thu, 08 Aug 96 17:49:55 PST Message-Id: <9607088395.AA839548356@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > it seems like all of their new drives seem to have a 90 day or one year > warranty, where a lot of the others I've seen are 3-5 year warranties. I've had mixed results with Corporate Systems Center. Some drives I've gotten from them have been fine; others are real lemons. Be sure you know if you are getting a prototype or refurb drive. Also, because most drives either fail within 6 months (not necessarily just 3) or after 3-5 years, make sure that you are either willing to take the risk or buy with a credit card that offers an extended product warranty. (Most "gold cards" do.) >> www.isn.com and their "Sequel DFRS 2.25GB SCSI hard drive" > I think I've seen that before (but I can't find it on that site at the > moment). Does that drive have a decent track record? Sequel takes over the support and service of discontinued models from Maxtor (and possibly other vendors; I'm not sure). I don't think anything that's labeled as a "Sequel" drive is going to be a current model, so you'll need to find out who made it originally and consider why the manufacturer might have dropped it. In some cases, it *was* because the drive was troublesome. In other cases, it's because the manufacturer got out of the market. But getting an identical replacement down the road could be tricky. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 16:59:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA25919 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:59:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nwnexus.wa.com (nwnexus.wa.com [192.135.191.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25912 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.statsci.com (ns1.statsci.com) by nwnexus.wa.com with SMTP id AA07653 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:59:06 -0700 Received: from statsci.com [206.63.206.184] with smtp by main.statsci.com with smtp (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.3 #3) id m0uoeyn-000QYDC; Thu, 8 Aug 96 16:59 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com Cc: mrm@mole.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, terryl@ienet.com Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: <9607088395.AA839541459@ccgate.infoworld.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:56:40 -0800." <9607088395.AA839541459@ccgate.infoworld.com> Reply-To: scott@statsci.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 16:59:05 -0700 From: Scott Blachowicz Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk BRETT_GLASS@ccgate.infoworld.com wrote: > IDE is only cheap in dollars per megabyte; it'll cost you in slower > performance and lost productivity. So, the question becomes a cost/benefit tradeoff relative to my projected usage (a home PC that doesn't really get any heavy pounding). If the dollar difference turns out to be $150, then I'd go IDE. If (as is apparently the case) the difference is less, then I might go SCSI unless there's some compelling technical reasons to avoid the IDE drives. Scott Blachowicz Ph: 206/283-8802x240 Mathsoft (Data Analysis Products Div) 1700 Westlake Ave N #500 scott@statsci.com Seattle, WA USA 98109 Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 17:33:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27474 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27468 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07880; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:29:07 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608090029.RAA07880@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive To: frankd@yoda.fdt.net (Frank Seltzer) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Frank Seltzer at "Aug 8, 96 07:43:40 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > They've also got some new drives > > getting down close to $400 (e.g. Micropolis 4421). > > I have a new system with a Micropolis 4421 on an Adaptec 2940 controller. > I have been having a hell of a time getting 2.1 installed on this > combination. I will have to wait for 2.1.5 to arrive and see if it makes a > difference. Until then I can not recommend this drive. I am not blaming > the drive but it is a new model and the Adaptec 2940 is well known. I have qualified the MC4421 for use in production AAC systems, it works just fine with 2.1.5 and the aha2940, as well as the NCR53C810. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 17:48:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28395 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA28388 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00383; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:30:34 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199608090100.KAA00383@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:30:34 +0930 (CST) Cc: scott@statsci.com, mrm@Mole.ORG, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, terryl@ienet.com In-Reply-To: <199608082142.VAA12603@gatekeeper.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Aug 8, 96 03:43:10 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean Kelly stands accused of saying: > > >>>>> Scott Blachowicz writes: > > > "not appreciably"? I've been looking for a 2Gb disk lately and I've > > been seeing IDE 2Gb drives around $300 and the cheapest I've seen > > for a SCSI 2Gb drive has been around $450. > > Keep your eyes on Internet Shopping Network (http://www.isn.com/) > ... that company occasionally sells Sequel DFRS 2.25GB SCSI hard > drives for US$250-$300. Necx are sometimes a little better than ISN (www.nexc.com), but neither will ship out of the ISA. I only discovered this with Necx _after_ they got my card details. Bastards. Anyway, you want www.pricewatch.com. A search for "2.1GB SCSI" turns up $329 for a Seagate ST32430N Hawk 2LP. Not a bad disk either. > --k -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 18:06:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28905 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn021-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28900 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA05558; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:59:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.com: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: <199608090029.RAA07880@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > I have qualified the MC4421 for use in production AAC systems, it works > just fine with 2.1.5 and the aha2940, as well as the NCR53C810. Do you get the message: ahc0:A:2 refuses syncronous negotiation. Using asynchronous transfers during boot? > > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 8 22:04:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA07636 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07596 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:04:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA02700 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07949; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:03:30 -0700 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199608090303.UAA07949@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive To: frankd@yoda.fdt.net (Frank Seltzer) Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:03:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from Frank Seltzer at "Aug 8, 96 08:59:21 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > I have qualified the MC4421 for use in production AAC systems, it works > > just fine with 2.1.5 and the aha2940, as well as the NCR53C810. > > Do you get the message: > > ahc0:A:2 refuses syncronous negotiation. Using asynchronous transfers > > during boot? No. The drive properly negotiates a 10Mhz sync rate. Note there are 2 part numbers associated with this drive model, chech it out on http://www.micropolis.com. I am using the 8.8mS version of the drive, perhaps you have the 9.8mS version?? -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 00:51:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA20404 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from groa.uct.ac.za (groa.uct.ac.za [137.158.128.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20396 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:51:18 -0700 (PDT) From: rv@groa.uct.ac.za Received: by groa.uct.ac.za via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:51:15 +0200 (SAT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built 1996-Jul-21) Message-Id: Subject: Intel Xtended Xpress/MG15 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:51:14 +0200 (SAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Is there anyone running FreeBSD on an Intel Xtended Xpress/MG15 platform and if so, any problems? We are about to commit to buying 5 for nationwide news/cache servers and I would just like to double check in case our choice is not good. The hardware is a quad Pentium motherboard (obviously with only one Pentium initially) with dual PCI channels and dual-fast wide Adaptec controllers. I am told the same motherboard is used in some of the top-end HP and Compaq servers(?). An interesting extra is the DMI (Detop Management Interface) suport. In particular, I have my eye on the CPU monitor that can reboot the machine if the monitor doesn't receive a signal from a process after a certain interval (assuming the machine has locked up). Has anyone implemted something like this? Any feedback much appreciated. Thanks. -Russell From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 02:32:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA26828 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from al.imforei.apana.org.au (root@al.imforei.apana.org.au [202.12.89.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26808 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pjchilds@localhost) by al.imforei.apana.org.au (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29913; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:02:26 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:02:26 +0930 (CST) From: Peter Childs Message-Id: <199608090932.TAA29913@al.imforei.apana.org.au> To: rv@groa.uct.ac.za, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel Xtended Xpress/MG15 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article you wrote: : Hi, Gday! : An interesting extra is the DMI (Detop Management Interface) suport. : In particular, I have my eye on the CPU monitor that can reboot : the machine if the monitor doesn't receive a signal from a process : after a certain interval (assuming the machine has locked up). : Has anyone implemted something like this? Sounds similar in operation the the DVI Watchdog card that has drivers at http://www.mpress.com/ Peter -- Peter Childs --- http://www.imforei.apana.org.au/~pjchilds Finger pjchilds@al.imforei.apana.org.au for public PGP key From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 02:44:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA27481 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.Ieunet.ie (relay.Ieunet.ie [192.111.39.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA27467 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from EUnet-GW.acucobol.ie by relay.Ieunet.ie with SMTP id aa24162; 9 Aug 96 10:43 +0100 Received: from guinness (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guinness.acucobol.ie (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA10795 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:43:35 GMT Message-Id: <199608091043.KAA10795@guinness.acucobol.ie> From: John McLaughlin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Diamond motherboards, any opinions? Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 10:43:34 +0000 Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anybody know anything about these? Our regular hardware vendor is trying to sell us machines using them, and I just want to make sure there're no hidden surprises awaiting. I don't know the actual model, but if anybody has any opinions on Diamond boards in general, I'd like to hear 'em. In particular, I want to use parity RAM, and want to make sure that the chipset will support this. Thanks, John From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 05:33:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05302 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kryten.nina.com (dyn021-gnv.51.fdt.net [205.229.51.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05286 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (frankd@localhost) by Kryten.nina.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA12885; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:24:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: Kryten.nina.com: frankd owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Seltzer X-Sender: frankd@Kryten.nina.com To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: scott@statsci.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive In-Reply-To: <199608090303.UAA07949@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > > I have qualified the MC4421 for use in production AAC systems, it works > > > just fine with 2.1.5 and the aha2940, as well as the NCR53C810. > > > > Do you get the message: > > > > ahc0:A:2 refuses syncronous negotiation. Using asynchronous transfers > > > > during boot? > > No. The drive properly negotiates a 10Mhz sync rate. Note there are > 2 part numbers associated with this drive model, chech it out on > http://www.micropolis.com. I am using the 8.8mS version of the drive, > perhaps you have the 9.8mS version?? TZ0030-02-5 is the part number of my drive. From Micropolis' Web site: 8.8 ms average seek time for TZ0030-02-5 > -- > Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com > Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD > Frank -- Only in America can a homeless veteran sleep in a cardboard box while a draft dodger sleeps in the White House. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 10:08:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24751 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from everest.dtr.com ([205.139.102.221]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24705 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from everest.dtr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by everest.dtr.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA05155; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:56:56 -0700 Message-ID: <320B6DD7.41C67EA6@fta.com> Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:56:55 -0700 From: Brant Katkansky X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b6Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey CC: Scott Blachowicz , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: IDE or SCSI if only one drive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Chuck Robey wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > > > Chuck Robey wrote: > > > Well, the drives I listed were 3.5 half heights, and seemed to run > > > comparaively cool and quiet, but Hi Tech seems to get short runs of good > > > drives. They do batches, I guess. http://www.internet-cafe.com/hi-tech/ > > > > FYI - they've moved to , and have a > > few new 2Gb SCSI drives... > > > > SIZE | MODEL #,INTER| MFG |COND| SPEED | FORM | PRICE | > > 2148 DSP3210D SC2D QUAN N 9.5MS 3.5"1.6" 349.00 > > 2140 ST32430N SCSI2 SEAG N 11 MS 3.5"1" 449.00 > > 2000 DSP5200S SCSI DIGI N 12.5MS 5.25"3" 299.00 > > That first one is what I have. Comes with a adapter, single to > differntial scsi. Runs quiet, and relatively cool. My first choice if I > need another drive. Speaking of differential SCSI, I recently acquired two Seagate Barracuda 4GB wide differential drives (ST15150WD). Unfortunately, I don't have access to a wide differential controller, and I really don't want to shell out the cash for a differential controller. Is there any way to run such a drive on a single-ended narrow SCSI-II bus? Anyone know what these sell for new in case I need to get rid of them? -- The Internet is full. | InterNIC: BS56 Go away. | mailto:bmk@fta.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 9 16:01:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15858 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wedge.its.utas.edu.au (cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15851 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:01:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by wedge.its.utas.edu.au (8.7.1/8.6.6) id JAA03226; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:00:54 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 09:00:54 +1000 (EST) From: Carey Nairn X-Sender: cp_nairn@wedge.its.utas.edu.au Reply-To: Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: problem with AHA2940UW and ST32155 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone... I have just got myself a new Seagate 2GB SCSI drive (2XL W Ultra) and am having problems getting things to work with it. This is my first foray into the world of SCSI disks so I don't exclude the possibility of doing something stupid. The drive is terminated properly as far as I can tell and the controller is configured to terminate automatically. Since this is the only SCSI device I have I think it should be OK. The Adaptec SCSISelect messages on bootup suggest that the drive is detected OK (gives model#, drive designation etc. so that part of it looks OK. If I boot to DOS (using my IDE disk) it seems to take too long after the starting msdos... message but eventually I get a prompt. This delay also happens if I boot to my old IDE installation of FreeBSD (2.1R) before getting the boot prompt. If I run fdisk under DOS it hangs for a while and then returns a prompt. fdisk /status says no fixed disks installed (even though I booted from one). Booting to FBSD gives the following relevant dmesg lines: ahc0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:17 ahc0: aic7870 Ultra Wide Channel, SCSI Id=7, aic7870, 255 SCBs ahc0 waiting for scsi devices to settle (ahc0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST32155W 0528" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(ahc0:0:0): Direct-Access 2049MB (4197405 512 byte sectors) If I boot FBSD from a boot.flp disk (2.1R) I get the same messages during the boot sequence but never get to the install menu. Looking at the second console (Alt-F2) I see these messages: ahc0: target 0, lun 0 (sd0) timed out sd0(ahc0:0:0): BUS DEVICE RESET message queued ahc0: target 0, lun 0 (sd0) timed out ahc0: Issued Channel A Bus Reset#1. 1 SCBs aborted This has all got me quite confused so I would appreciate any insights you may have. Other relevant hardware is: 100MHz pentium PCI Triton I motherboard. Award BIOS Diamond Stealth 64 PCI display card. Cheers, Carey ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Infrastructure Services ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 10 10:37:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10229 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.volant.org (root@phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10224 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: patl@asimov.volant.org Received: from asimov.volant.org (asimov.phoenix.volant.org [205.179.79.65]) by phoenix.volant.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA02836; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by asimov.volant.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17353; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:38:22 -0700 Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:38:22 -0700 Message-Id: <9608101738.AA17353@asimov.volant.org> To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Jaz drive suppliers & details? Reply-To: patl@Phoenix.volant.org Cc: mamirh@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Md5: vqOsGLCo1ti+M8HW9zkloQ== Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk |> Now, what I haven't been able to find out is how the external Jaz is |> _powered_. See, over here our electrons are upside down, and your average |> US wall wart has a hard time with that. In addition, I travel a fair |> bit and am likely to want to take such a useful device with me, so I'd |> either want a range of warts (yuck but bearable), or an autosensing one |> (nicer). So knowing what the unit's actual requirements were would be |> helpful. (That's volts, amps, and what the funny little plug looks like.) It's not a wall-wart, it's a brick. It has a fixed cable that runs to the power connector on the drive, and a standard power-cable-with-socket to connect to the wall. (The same type of cable and socket we get for monitors, computers, etc.) The brick itself is about 6x11x3.5 cm. (See, us yanks ain't all ignorant of the one true system of weights and measures. And for you 'mercans reading this, an inch is defined as being exactly 2.54 cm.) The label on the brick claims: Input: 100V~240V~ 0.4A 50/60Hz Output: 5V=1.0A 12V=1.0A Total output power 15W max. (What I have rendered as an equals sign is actually more like a dash with a row of dots under it - about at the character baseline.) |> If the external unit is just a total loss, I'd have to go for an internal |> and the smallest external case I could find, which would be OK but |> somewhat bulkier (not so good). |> |> Anyway, any comments on whether the above deal and dealer are any good, |> and any input from Jaz owners would be appreciated. Anyone who knows |> anything about the upcoming Syquest unit, or any other cartridge disk |> of similar price/capacity should feel welcome to expound also! I believe the prices here are about $US 500 for the external and $US 400 for the internal drive. Each comes with a single 'Tools' cartridge. (This is a cartridge specially formatted for use by both PC and Mac; with various software tools and a multi-media 'tour'. To use it you must either install the software on a PC or Mac; or run the provided 'recover' utility, again, on a PC or a Mac. Which OS you use dictates which filesystem survives. But then it doesn't matter if you are going to overlay it with a unix filesystem...) Cartridges run $US 120..125 each; but you can order them directly from iomega at 5 for $US 500. They list the price for Canada; but I don't seem to have it handy. I don't know if they accept other foreign orders. -Pat My opinions are my own. For a small royalty, they can be yours as well... Pat Lashley, Senior Software Engineer, Henry Davis Consulting patl@Phoenix.Volant.ORG http://Phoenix.Volant.ORG/