From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 22 12:24:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21264 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21107; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id VAA00335; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:00:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by klemm.gtn.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05630; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:08:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:08:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: INN history file and disk I/O In-Reply-To: <199609182104.OAA04861@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Message-ID: X-try-apsfilter: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz X-Fax: +49 2137 2018 X-Phone: +49 2137 2020 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Rod ! What do you think about the Tyan boards ? Tomcat I and II ? I bought a Tomcat II for my wife. It always rebooted when enabling the L2 cache. My hardware dealer, which has good connections to Tyan, told me after 3 days (fast! ;) that the mainboard had a defect and a whole charge of 512k burst cache modules was bad as well. Now I have to wait for a new Tomcat II and L2 cache for about a week. I get brand new parts from US... I'm just curious, if I bought a good or a bad one. Test in magazines tell, that the boards are ok, only problems with 64MB Ram chips ... What do you think ?! Question to a MB guru ! ;-)) Andreas /// andreas@klemm.gtn.com /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ Support Unix -- andreas.klemm@wup.de pgp p-key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html >>> powered by <<< ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz >>> FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Sep 22 12:40:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02067 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02028; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00698; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:40:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199609221940.MAA00698@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: INN history file and disk I/O In-Reply-To: from Andreas Klemm at "Sep 22, 96 08:08:46 pm" To: andreas@klemm.gtn.com (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: isp@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi Rod ! > > What do you think about the Tyan boards ? Tomcat I and II ? >From the data sheets they look fine, from what others have been saying about success with using them they look fine. First hand I don't have any experience, though that will be changing soon enough. > > I bought a Tomcat II for my wife. It always rebooted when enabling > the L2 cache. My hardware dealer, which has good connections to Tyan, > told me after 3 days (fast! ;) that the mainboard had a defect and > a whole charge of 512k burst cache modules was bad as well. > > Now I have to wait for a new Tomcat II and L2 cache for about a week. > I get brand new parts from US... > > I'm just curious, if I bought a good or a bad one. Test in magazines > tell, that the boards are ok, only problems with 64MB Ram chips ... > > What do you think ?! Question to a MB guru ! ;-)) > > Andreas /// > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 23 09:29:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01073 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fgate.flevel.co.uk (root@fgate.flevel.co.uk [194.6.101.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01044 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from graham@localhost) by fgate.flevel.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) id RAA11437 for hardware@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:35:03 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Breach Message-Id: <199609231635.RAA11437@fgate.flevel.co.uk> Subject: Panasonic CF-41 and CF-62 To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:35:03 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Panasonic CF-41 & CF-62 notebooks. Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) of using these machines with FreeBSD? Graham Breach From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 23 10:26:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24084 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.netcraft.co.uk (server.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23807 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jez@localhost) by server.netcraft.co.uk (8.7.5/8.6.9) id SAA10267; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:25:06 +0100 (BST) From: Jeremy Prior Message-Id: <199609231725.SAA10267@server.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Portable SCSI CD-ROM recommendations To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (FreeBSD's Hardware Mailing List) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:25:04 +0100 (BST) Cc: paul@server.netcraft.co.uk (Paul Richards) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL24 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk All, Does anyone have any recommendations for portable SCSI CD-ROM drives? The requirements are (in no particular order): - `Walkman' size (yes, I know `Walkman' is probably (tm) Sony Corp :-) - Able to be used as a portable (audio) CD player; - Must be SCSI, but *not* require a PCMCIA card (I'm going to be using it on standard SCSI cards - Adaptec 1542CP at home, NCR 810 at work) It doesn't have to be blisteringly fast: anything more than single speed would do! So does anyone have any experience/ recommendations (either good or bad)? Thanks in advance, jez -- Jeremy Prior Netcraft, Rockfield House, Granville Road, Bath, BA1 9BQ, England Tel: +44-1225-447500 Fax: +44-1225-448600 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Sep 23 17:57:44 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04693 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m4.sprynet.com (m4.sprynet.com [165.121.1.96]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA04668 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from local.com (ad37-183.compuserve.com [199.174.140.183]) by m4.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA04382 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:51:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199609240051.RAA04382@m4.sprynet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jesse" Organization: Brown Computing To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:52:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DigiBoard? X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Jesse" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on a good 8 or 16 port DigiBoard for a PC running FreeBSD (2.1.5r) Thanks, Jesse. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 24 01:17:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA14053 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-59.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA13936; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) id AAA11775; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:18:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:18:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609232218.AAA11775@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: gj@freebsd.org Subject: cache size in cmos From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk This is sent: To: hardware@freebsd.org bcc: doc@freebsd.org I had an experience with an old AMD BIOS that seems worth telling... The lesson I learned: If a machine seems really slow, try reloading cmos defaults, (after taking careful note of current settings :-) Someone might want to put that tip in the currently empty (as of Sep 1) section 10.3.4 of the handbook. Hence I bcc'd this to doc@ , but suggest follow up on just hardware@ Why the CMOS Reset ? Well ... I had a hardware problem on a newish (to me) system built from old motherboard, old discs etc, & with loose cache chips, I took cache chips out & I guess I ran that system without to deduce if it was the chips causing my previous problem, anyway I cured the cache chip loose socket problem, But I think the cmos resized itself as having no cache (it doesnt show cache chip availability on my old AMD BIOS, I just have the M/board DIPS to set), & when I put the cache chips back in, the system worked, but was slow as treacle, (but I didnt notice as I was chasing other problems on the system, (like synch/asynch on old HP drives, & data corruption). It also, (after the last surgery on board, & until today) used to ignore the turbo switch (which actually acts not as a frequency controller, but as a cache enable/disable switch), & the `spinner' at kernel load time didnt spin, it trudged along slowly. I decided to track down the `treacle' today, I finally (at power time) told it (the AMD bios from DEL) to reload power (slow) defaults & then bios (faster) defaults, It used to take 120 secs to do cd usr/src/*/ls ; make it now takes turbo on 19.20 real 16.66 user 1.71 sys turbo off 51.48 real 45.97 user 4.51 sys the above with sh & then time, & 2nd compile, 'cos 1st loads stuff into freebsd kernel cache (ie disc to ram) so 1st is always slower than #2 & #3 make. Oh, BTW I had to disable F000 64K cache else reboot ceased to work. (The reload with BIOS defaults had enabled it) The environment 33MHz Intel 486 Motherboard `Gigabyte' `GA-486US' 256K cache. UM82C481A, USA, 9140KV016 UM82C482A, USA, 9138KV001 UM82C206F, 9142-C9, C82093 Copyright American Megatrends Inc., 40-0500-D91199-00101111-050591-UMCWB-F various CLK/2 & CLK/5 madse no real difference, A half week old current that had just finished make world (took about half a week or so (Really ! that's why I investigated)) & kernel that reports FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Fri Sep 13 22:38:55 MSZ 1996 jhs@vector:/usr2/src/cur-960901/sys/compile/GATE & with an /etc/make.conf CFLAGS= -O2 -m486 -pipe & cc --version 2.6.3 System idle other than test running. Well, that system is 6 times faster now :-) If this tale has merely amused you, it's been worth it, the more so if it digs someone out of a similar hole. Julian --- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 24 02:28:35 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA06262 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from panda.hilink.com.au (panda.hilink.com.au [203.2.144.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA06174 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from danny@localhost) by panda.hilink.com.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id TAA15650; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:26:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:26:48 +1000 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: Jesse cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DigiBoard? In-Reply-To: <199609240051.RAA04382@m4.sprynet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Jesse wrote: > I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on a good 8 or 16 port > DigiBoard for a PC running FreeBSD (2.1.5r) If it does not have to be a DigiBoard, try Cyclades. They work well under 2.1.5. Danny From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Sep 24 16:26:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09896 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (daemon@bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au [130.102.2.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09855 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au (8.7.6/8.7.3) id JAA19104; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:26:25 +1000 Received: from pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au by ogre.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.7.5/DEVETIR-E0.3a) with ESMTP id JAA04590; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:28:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au [167.123.24.12]) by pandora.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.10/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27465; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:28:10 +1000 Received: from localhost by netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au (8.6.8.1/DEVETIR-0.1) id XAA16637; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:28:53 GMT Message-Id: <199609242328.XAA16637@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: "Jesse" cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DigiBoard? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:52:03 GMT." <199609240051.RAA04382@m4.sprynet.com> X-Face: 3}heU+2?b->-GSF-G4T4>jEB9~FR(V9lo&o>kAy=Pj&;oVOc<|pr%I/VSG"ZD32J>5gGC0N 7gj]^GI@M:LlqNd]|(2OxOxy@$6@/!,";-!OlucF^=jq8s57$%qXd/ieC8DhWmIy@J1AcnvSGV\|*! >Bvu7+0h4zCY^]{AxXKsDTlgA2m]fX$W@'8ev-Qi+-;%L'CcZ'NBL!@n?}q!M&Em3*eW7,093nOeV8 M)(u+6D;%B7j\XA/9j4!Gj~&jYzflG[#)E9sI&Xe9~y~Gn%fA7>F:YKr"Wx4cZU*6{^2ocZ!YyR Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:28:51 +1000 From: Stephen Hocking Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Stallion boards work rather well also. The current stallion driver (for EZIO & Brumby boards) was done unofficially by a Stallion employee - indded the Stallion development centre is about 15 minutes walk from my home. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland, Australia. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 00:09:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21443 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whale.gu.kiev.ua (news.gu.net [193.124.51.77]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA18989 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from creator.gu.kiev.ua (stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua [193.124.51.73]) by whale.gu.kiev.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA30968; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:01:29 +0300 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:01:29 +0300 (EET DST) From: Andrew Stesin X-Sender: stesin@creator.gu.kiev.ua To: Stephen Hocking cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DigiBoard? In-Reply-To: <199609242328.XAA16637@netfl15a.devetir.qld.gov.au> Message-ID: X-NCC-RegID: ua.gu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello Stephen, I hope you have some info on a topic... would you mind telling me one minor thing, please? What I want to know for sure -- is there a Stallion's, 32port, PCI (neither ISA nor EISA, just PCI) product around which can be used with FreeBSD (read: has FreeBSD drivers)? Thanks! All the best, Andrew nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Stephen Hocking wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:28:51 +1000 > From: Stephen Hocking > To: Jesse > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: DigiBoard? > > > Stallion boards work rather well also. The current stallion driver > (for EZIO & Brumby boards) was done unofficially by a Stallion employee - > indded the Stallion development centre is about 15 minutes walk from my home. > > > Stephen > -- > The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of > Queensland, Australia. > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 00:49:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA22878 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22781 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA08214; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:14:28 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609250744.RAA08214@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DigiBoard? To: stesin@gu.net (Andrew Stesin) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:14:27 +0930 (CST) Cc: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Stesin" at Sep 25, 96 10:01:29 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Stesin stands accused of saying: > > I hope you have some info on a topic... would you mind telling > me one minor thing, please? What I want to know for sure -- is > there a Stallion's, 32port, PCI (neither ISA nor EISA, just PCI) > product around which can be used with FreeBSD (read: has FreeBSD > drivers)? The Stallion EZconnection8/32 is available on PCI, and appears to be supported by the FreeBSD stallion driver. (There are lots of places in the code that reference it.) It also appears to be a 'proper' PCI driver, in that it's hung off the PCI code rather than the user having to guess where it goes. > Andrew -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 03:43:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA10576 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gatekeeper.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10526 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00313 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:41:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199609251041.MAA00313@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15231; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:41:46 +0200 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Re: DigiBoard? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org (Hardware list at FreeBSD) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 12:41:46 METDST In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew Stesin" at Sep 25, 96 10:01 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Regarding the multi-port serial boards discussion, does anyone know of an EISA multi-port card that's supported? Rob Schofield -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 03:43:15 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA10675 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA10605 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0v5rQa-0008tlC; Wed, 25 Sep 96 03:42 PDT Received: (from narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.7.5/8.6.12) id NAA01062; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:34:39 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:34:38 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Porting serial driver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk HI! I have a question regarding porting a driver for a multiport serial card. I have access to the source code for SCO. How easy/difficult/possible is porting it to FReeBSD? I also happen to have access to the full docs of the card. And no, the card is not already supported for sure, it is manufactured locally. Sander From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 06:12:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA23483 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA23446 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 06:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA20281; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:08:13 -0500 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma020274; Wed Sep 25 08:08:02 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA16034; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:09:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA23019; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:04:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609251304.IAA23019@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Andrew Stesin cc: Stephen Hocking , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DigiBoard? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:01:29 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:04:12 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Andrew Stesin writes: > >Hello Stephen, > >I hope you have some info on a topic... would you mind telling >me one minor thing, please? What I want to know for sure -- is >there a Stallion's, 32port, PCI (neither ISA nor EISA, just PCI) >product around which can be used with FreeBSD (read: has FreeBSD >drivers)? Yup, and I've even seen one work. It was a while ago, around about 0.3 of Gerg's driver. I remember having problems if the PCI and ISA cards were plugged in at the same time, which could be considered pilot error anyway ;-) > > Thanks! > > All the best, > > Andrew > eric. -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 06:34:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA10690 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 06:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bacall.lodgenet.com (bacall.lodgenet.com [205.138.147.242]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA10655 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 06:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by bacall.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA21309; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:27:48 -0500 Received: from garbo.lodgenet.com(204.124.123.250) by bacall via smap (V1.3) id sma021291; Wed Sep 25 08:27:23 1996 Received: from jake.lodgenet.com (jake.lodgenet.com [204.124.120.30]) by garbo.lodgenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA16589; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:28:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jake.lodgenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA23132; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:23:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609251323.IAA23132@jake.lodgenet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: jake.lodgenet.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Narvi cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Porting serial driver In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:34:38 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 08:23:38 -0500 From: "Eric L. Hernes" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, there's a couple of ways to go here. 1) You could take an existing FBSD driver such as sio, or cy for example. Stay away from the digiboard driver, it's GPL. And only use the SCO source as a reference for the machine dependancy stuff, probe(), attach(), setting modem control, etc. 2) Use most of the SCO driver and patch up the incompatibilities. Off the top of my head, some of the incompatibilities are: Sco uses xx_init() for device probing/attaching, wheras FBSD has separate probe()/attach(). Sco's IOCTLs are numbered sequentially from 0, FBSD's have a lot of information coded in the ioctl request, maybe not an issue if the macros are used. It could be an issue for hardware dependant ioctl's though. the read/write/ioctl, and possibly the open/close take different arguments. At one time I had fixed a driver to be compilable on Sco/FBSD by using the cpp to fix this, but it was kind of ugly. select may need some attention, probably just setting the d_select member of the devsw to ttsel. It will also partly depend on what version of FBSD you want to work with. 2.1.5 and earlier need devswitch entries in i386/i386/conf.c, 2.2-current has the devswitch entries in the driver proper. SCO provides a xxpoll() entry point that gets called once per clock tick. On FreeBSD, you've gotta re-schedule your own callout. Maybe not an issue if you use interrupts. there's probably more... I'd probably go with option 1. eric. Narvi writes: > > HI! > > >I have a question regarding porting a driver for a multiport serial card. >I have access to the source code for SCO. How easy/difficult/possible is >porting it to FReeBSD? I also happen to have access to the full docs of >the card. And no, the card is not already supported for sure, it is >manufactured locally. > > Sander > -- erich@lodgenet.com http://rrnet.com/~erich erich@rrnet.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 07:11:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA06800 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msp-ln05.dgii.com (msp-ln05.dgii.com [204.221.110.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA06774 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Lotus Notes (PU Serial #1839) by msp-ln05.dgii.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9a for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Sep25.070730.1839.108450; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:13:44 -0500 From: Ken_Germann@dgii.com (Ken I Germann) To: sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au (Stephen Hocking) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1996Sep25.070730.1839.108450@msp-ln05.dgii.com> X-Conversion-ID: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: Digi International Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:13:44 -0500 Subject: Re: DigiBoard? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk We have a set of drivers released to Linux that support our PC/Xe, PC/Xi, PC/Xr, PC/Xem and RightSwitch Switch Ethernet boards. If someone wants to port them to FreeBSD, The drivers are included in the 2.0 Slackware distribution of Linux. If someone does port them, please notify me so we can place them on our FTP server. Stephen Hocking 09/24/96 08:01 PM To: Jesse @ SMTP cc: freebsd-hardware @ SMTP Subject: Re: DigiBoard? Stallion boards work rather well also. The current stallion driver (for EZIO & Brumby boards) was done unofficially by a Stallion employee - indded the Stallion development centre is about 15 minutes walk from my home. Stephen -- The views expressed above are not those of the Worker's Compensation Board of Queensland, Australia. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 13:48:53 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA20289 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (root@lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20247 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.1) with SMTP id NAA09356; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA843684046; Wed, 25 Sep 96 14:30:05 PST Date: Wed, 25 Sep 96 14:30:05 PST Message-Id: <9608258436.AA843684046@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Ken_Germann@dgii.com (Ken I Germann), sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DigiBoard? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > We have a set of drivers released to Linux that support our > PC/Xe, PC/Xi, PC/Xr, PC/Xem and RightSwitch Switch Ethernet boards. > If someone wants to port them to FreeBSD, The drivers are included > in the 2.0 Slackware distribution of Linux. The problem is that these are part of Linux, and are hence covered by the GNU Public License (GPL). To avoid the constraints of this license, new drivers must be constructed from scratch. Can you supply development information that would make this possible? From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 14:25:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05875 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05847 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krypton.chromatic.com (krypton.chromatic.com [199.5.224.4]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA28229; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernest Hua Received: (from hua@localhost) by krypton.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA22975; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609252124.OAA22975@krypton.chromatic.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: more than 2 IDE controllers? Cc: hua@chromatic.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Does anyone know whether it is possible to have more than 2 IDE controllers? We have an abundance of IDE disks and I am running out of space. I guess this question has multiple parts: 1. Can the IDE driver handle more than 2 controllers? 2. Are there any IDE controllers out there (ISA or PCI) which can be mapped to alternate addresses and IRQs besides the two standard settings? Any answer appreciated! Thanks! Ern From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 14:48:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17351 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:48:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17317 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.utah.edu by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0v61of-0008ywC; Wed, 25 Sep 96 14:48 PDT Received: from bottles.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/utah-2.21-cs) id PAA04880; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:44:38 -0600 Received: by bottles.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15-leaf) id PAA20098; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:44:15 -0600 From: sclawson@bottles.cs.utah.edu (steve clawson) Message-Id: <199609252144.PAA20098@bottles.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Re: DigiBoard? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:44:15 -0600 (MDT) Cc: stesin@gu.net, sysseh@devetir.qld.gov.au, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199609250744.RAA08214@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Sep 25, 96 05:14:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael Smith uttered: > The Stallion EZconnection8/32 is available on PCI, and appears to be > supported by the FreeBSD stallion driver. (There are lots of places > in the code that reference it.) We've had a PCI EZconnection board with 2 16 port `panels' hanging off it running around here for a couple months. It's worked great so far, but we haven't really banged on it too hard since it's just used to provide serial consoles to a rack of test machines. One thing to mention though. Make sure that you get at least a revision 2.1 card. The 2.0 rev card we originally got gave us no end of trouble. It liked to conflict with other PCI cards and depending on the order that you stuck them in the machine it might or might not boot... steve -- // stephen clawson sclawson@cs.utah.edu // university of utah From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Sep 25 17:06:54 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22057 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNS.Lamb.net (root@DNS.Lamb.net [206.169.44.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22019 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (ulf@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net [206.169.44.2]) by DNS.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01669; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ulf@localhost) by Gatekeeper.Lamb.net (8.7.6/8.7.6) id RAA03074; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ulf Zimmermann Message-Id: <199609260007.RAA03074@Gatekeeper.Lamb.net> Subject: Re: more than 2 IDE controllers? To: hua@chromatic.com (Ernest Hua) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org, hua@chromatic.com In-Reply-To: <199609252124.OAA22975@krypton.chromatic.com> from Ernest Hua at "Sep 25, 96 02:24:49 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know whether it is possible to have more than > 2 IDE controllers? We have an abundance of IDE disks and > I am running out of space. > > I guess this question has multiple parts: > > 1. Can the IDE driver handle more than 2 controllers? Yes. > > 2. Are there any IDE controllers out there (ISA or PCI) > which can be mapped to alternate addresses and IRQs > besides the two standard settings? Yes. > > Any answer appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Ern > But I wouldn't suggest doing it. Get SCSI if you really need more then 4 devices (like harddisk, cdroms). Ulf. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 Lamb Art Internet Services | http://www.Lamb.net/ | http://www.Alameda.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 00:16:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA27933 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA27833 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14777; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:46:27 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609260716.QAA14777@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: DigiBoard? To: rschof@mccomm.nl (Rob Schofield) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:46:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199609251041.MAA00313@mccomm.nl> from "Rob Schofield" at Sep 25, 96 12:41:46 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rob Schofield stands accused of saying: > > Regarding the multi-port serial boards discussion, does anyone know of > an EISA multi-port card that's supported? Yeah, Stallion do them too 8) ... 1.2 INTELLIGENT MULTIPORT BOARD DRIVER This driver is for Stallion's range of true intelligent multiport boards. It supports the EasyConnection 8/64, ONboard, Brumby and original Stallion families of multiport boards. The EasyConnection 8/64 and ONboard boards come in ISA, EISA and Microchannel bus versions. The Brumby and Stallion boards are only available in ISA versions. ... > Rob Schofield -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 00:20:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA00619 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA00555 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 00:20:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA14759; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:44:36 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609260714.QAA14759@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Porting serial driver To: narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee (Narvi) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:44:35 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Narvi" at Sep 25, 96 01:34:38 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Narvi stands accused of saying: > > I have a question regarding porting a driver for a multiport serial card. > I have access to the source code for SCO. How easy/difficult/possible is > porting it to FReeBSD? I also happen to have access to the full docs of > the card. And no, the card is not already supported for sure, it is > manufactured locally. Depends on how much of a programmer you are, how much of a pig the card is, how much it resembles another card that's already supported, how accurate the documentation is and how much help you can get from the vendor. The SCO code would be useful for establishing procedures (what to do in what order, what hacks are required), but you would be best off picking on the 'sio' driver or one of its derivatives (eg. 'cy') and using it as a framework to build inside. > Sander -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 06:27:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA03624 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA03597 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server1.chromatic.com (server1.chromatic.com [199.5.224.120]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA26818; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (hua@localhost) by server1.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA07996; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:27:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609261327.GAA07996@server1.chromatic.com> X-Authentication-Warning: server1.chromatic.com: hua owned process doing -bs X-Authentication-Warning: server1.chromatic.com: Host hua@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.8 8/21/96 To: hardware@FreeBSD.org cc: hua@chromatic.com Subject: Re: more than 2 IDE controllers? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:49 PDT." <199609252124.OAA22975@krypton.chromatic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 06:27:09 -0700 From: Ernest Hua Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok. I got two answers .. "Yes" and "No". Does anyone have a definitive explanation for WHY the answer is "Yes" or "No"? Please post your answer to the list. Thanks! Ern > Does anyone know whether it is possible to have more than > 2 IDE controllers? We have an abundance of IDE disks and > I am running out of space. > > I guess this question has multiple parts: > > 1. Can the IDE driver handle more than 2 controllers? > > 2. Are there any IDE controllers out there (ISA or PCI) > which can be mapped to alternate addresses and IRQs > besides the two standard settings? > > Any answer appreciated! > > Thanks! > > Ern > > From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 08:14:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA03387 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA03358 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fly.HiWAAY.net by agora.rdrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #17) id m0v6I8e-00091tC; Thu, 26 Sep 96 08:14 PDT Received: from localhost by fly.HiWAAY.net; (8.7.5/1.1.8.2/21Sep95-1003PM) id KAA01006; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:10:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:10:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Steve Price To: Ernest Hua cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: more than 2 IDE controllers? In-Reply-To: <199609261327.GAA07996@server1.chromatic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Ernest Hua wrote: # # Ok. I got two answers .. "Yes" and "No". # # Does anyone have a definitive explanation for WHY the answer # is "Yes" or "No"? # # Please post your answer to the list. # # Thanks! # # Ern # Let me clarify my answer to you. I don't know of any technological miracles that have to be performed to have >2 controllers. However, I have not seen it done. I do know that up to ATA-3 the spec only provides for two controllers (one master and one slave). In light of this, most (if not all) BIOSs only know about these two locations. I know that specs are sometimes fuzzy, but I think the section that states that there are only two STANDARD locations, is fairly clear. In conforming to the spec, most IDE controller cards are designed to live in one of these two standard places. To get a definitive answer, try posting your question to ata@dt.wdc.com. The people that read that list are ATA gurus/designers. So if anybody knows, they will. Steve From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 08:22:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA07161 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xenon.chromatic.com (xenon.chromatic.com [199.5.224.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07126 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ohio.chromatic.com (ohio.chromatic.com [199.5.224.98]) by xenon.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02417; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from hua@localhost) by ohio.chromatic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA11906; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 08:21:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernest Hua Message-Id: <199609261521.IAA11906@ohio.chromatic.com> To: ata@dt.wdc.com Subject: Is it possible to have > 2 IDE controllers? Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, hua@ohio.chromatic.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am trying to get more than 2 IDE controllers working on a PC running FreeBSD. There are obviously two sides to this question: 1. Can FreeBSD do it? 2. Can the hardware support it? I am not concerned about the system BIOS recognizing the 3rd controller on boot up, although I suspect that would be nice. Does anyone on this mailing list know the answer to question #2 above? I am specifically talking about having more than two master controllers (each with up to the standard two drives). I am NOT talking about having more than two drives on a single cable (say, for instance, master + 2 slaves). Ern From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 11:08:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18474 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Octopussy (Octopussy.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.20]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18425 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (annexr3-12.slip.Uni-Koeln.DE) by Octopussy with SMTP id AA07073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:08:11 +0200 Received: (from se@localhost) by x14.mi.uni-koeln.de (8.7.6/8.6.9) id UAA08010; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:03:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:03:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609261803.UAA08010@x14.mi.uni-koeln.de> From: Stefan Esser To: Kees.Koster@nym.sc.philips.com Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lmbench results for AMD 5k86-P100 In-Reply-To: <2A363AB4B4F@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> References: <2A363AB4B4F@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Kees Jan Koster writes: > I did a little benchmarking on my machine, as Stefan requested (are > you on this list?). I haven't had the time to do the bytebench yet. Yes, I'm on the list ... > Maybe later. I'd appreciate it ... > Machine: Exp8661 mainboard, 512kb PB cache, 32Mb EDO, > AMD 5k86-P100 @ 100MHz (overclocking doesn't work :). Well, they'd be selling 5k86-120 chips, if it did :) > Could someone shed some light on the 'bad MHz' messages below? > It worries me a little, because I had some touble before. Unix worked > like it always has: sweet as honey, and MS-DOS kept tripping over its > feet: random hangs and crashes, missed sequences on the soundcard, > etc. According to an article in c't magazine (currently the best computer mag in Germany, INOMHO), this is due to the fact that the 5k86 uses random replacement in its primary cache. It is 4 way set-associative as that of other x86 CPUs, but twice as large (16KB) as that of the P5. There is a version of "ctcm" that has been modified for the 5k86, since they (c't mag) could not find the cache access time, else (same as lmbench :) > Both Unix and MS-DOS work, altough MS-DOS still feels kind'a fragile. I don't care for DOS, but it's a little surprising to hear, that Unix runs better (more reliable) than DOS on some hardware. But I could consider this fact as pro-AMD5K :) Since I wanted to know how the 5k86 compares to my 5x86, I performed a lmbench run on my system, too. I'm using the later 1.1 version of lmbench, which is not yet available as a port (but it is trivial, and I'll send a diff to ASAMI Satoshi). Seems that the 5x86/133 (which is rated as equivalent to the Pentium 75) is 60% of the 5k86-100 (which ought to be as fast as a P100) in those tests, were 2.1.5 and -current are not too different. (Ie.: ignore the 5x86's PIPE performance ... :) My system was not idle, but I think the results are useful anyway :) > L M B E N C H 1 . 0 S U M M A R Y > ------------------------------------ > > Processor, Processes - times in microseconds > -------------------------------------------- > Host OS Mhz Null Null Simple /bin/sh Mmap 2-proc 8-proc > Syscall Process Process Process lat ctxsw ctxsw > --------- ------------- ---- ------- ------- ------- ------- ---- ------ ------ amd5x86 FreeBSD 2.2-C 132 13 4K 19K 40K 148 15 26 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 6 3.8K 14.2K 24K 123 35 44 > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 6 3.9K 14.1K 26K 123 36 46 > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 6 3.9K 14.0K 24K 124 36 46 > pentium Linux 1.1.54 91 3 3.3K 15.4K 49K 33 25 42 The 5k86 is FAR slower in the context-switch tests. This might be due to changes between -stable and -current, or because of wrong assumptions in the case of the 5k86. Is there a cache or TLB flush in the context switch code ? > *Local* Communication latencies in microseconds > ----------------------------------------------- > Host OS Pipe UDP RPC/ TCP RPC/ > UDP TCP > --------- ------------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- amd5x86 FreeBSD 2.2-C 76 353 751 460 938 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 101 204 421 251 568 > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 103 214 427 268 594 > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 103 208 430 260 579 > pentium Linux 1.1.54 157 658 1030 1164 1591 Except for the pipe code, the 5k86 is a factor of 5/3 as fast ... > *Local* Communication bandwidths in megabytes/second > ---------------------------------------------------- > Host OS Pipe TCP File Mmap Bcopy Bcopy Mem Mem > reread reread (libc) (hand) read write > -------- ------------- ---- ---- ------ ------ ------ ------ ---- amd5x86 FreeBSD 2.2-C 30 7 14 25 16 15 34 41 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 14 9.6 23.1 58.6 29 28 81 42 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 14 9.6 23.1 57.7 29 28 81 42 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 14 9.7 23.1 58.4 29 28 81 42 > pentium Linux 1.1.54 13 2.4 9.8 4.7 18 18 48 32 The 5k86 is special in that its memory read performance is much better (by a factor of 2) than its write performance. Not sure why, but this may also be caused by the motherboards characteristics. (What chip-set is that, BTW ?) > Memory latencies in nanoseconds > (WARNING - may not be correct, check graphs) > -------------------------------------------- > Host OS Mhz L1 $ L2 $ Main mem TLB Guesses > --------- ------------- --- ---- ---- -------- --- ------- amd5x86 FreeBSD 2.2-C 131 9 147 341 > LikeEver FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 - - - - Bad mhz? > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 - - - - Bad mhz? > LikeEver. FreeBSD 2.1.5 100 - - - - Bad mhz? > pentium Linux 1.1.54 90 11 294 439 1254 Hmm, as you can see, a 486 class CPU under FreeBSD offers better memory and cache latencies than a Pentium under Linux :) :) (And even with twice the first level cache size ...) LMBENCH for sure is not the best CPU benchmark, but it seems the 5k86 is at least comparable to a P5-100, and seems to be a cost effective alternative for a server that does not need to offer peak performance values ... Thanks for posting the interesting 5k86 results ! STefan From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 13:28:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26709 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seine.cs.UMD.EDU (10862@seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26685 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seine.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.6/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21640; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) From: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Message-Id: <199609262028.QAA21640@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: DAT Tape drive recomendations Cc: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am in need of a 4mm External DAT tape drive to back up my FreeBSD machines. I was wondering if any of you had good words for a particular drive. Am looking for 2G - 4G capacity. Last I remember there was a discussion on the hardware list 2 months ago, but there was no clear winner. Thanks. --rohit. PS: Also, need a recommendation for FreeBSD (free) software which works well with DAT Tape drives. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 13:41:09 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03740 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seine.cs.UMD.EDU (10862@seine.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.59]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03721 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by seine.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.6/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id QAA21736; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:41:03 -0400 (EDT) From: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Message-Id: <199609262041.QAA21736@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Postscript Laser printer Question/Recommendation Cc: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Would somebody have a recommendation for postscript laser printers (600+ dpi, 12+ ppm) by Lexmark (Optra??) or HP? Would appreciate experience reports : died after 4 months etc... Need to be conservative : I last bought a USR 28.8/33.6 external modem which has some weird bug that's causing me heartache :-( Thanks in advance. --rohit. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 13:44:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA05176 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (root@mexico.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.253]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05120 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 13:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (brasil.brainstorm.eu.org [193.56.58.33]) by mexico.brainstorm.eu.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA00771 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:43:46 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by brasil.brainstorm.eu.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id WAA06772 for hardware@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 22:43:30 +0200 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.8.Beta.4/keltia-uucp-2.9) id UAA21993; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:48:03 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609261848.UAA21993@keltia.freenix.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:48:03 +0200 From: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) To: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: more than 2 IDE controllers? In-Reply-To: ; from Steve Price on Sep 26, 1996 10:10:07 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Mutt 0.44.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#2490 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk According to Steve Price: > To get a definitive answer, try posting your question > to ata@dt.wdc.com. The people that read that list are > ATA gurus/designers. So if anybody knows, they will. Good. We now know where to send the bomb. They should have been hunted and shot down in the craddle before they could even think about designing it. I'm not sure whether I want to put a smiley or not. PC hardware is full of crappy design and IDE is one of the worst IMHO. Sorry for the rant. I'm feeling better though. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #0: Sat Sep 21 00:18:27 MET DST 1996 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 17:33:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12337 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12283 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA11154; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199609270033.RAA11154@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: Postscript Laser printer Question/Recommendation In-Reply-To: <199609262041.QAA21736@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> from Rohit Dube at "Sep 26, 96 04:41:03 pm" To: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, rohit@cs.UMD.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > Would somebody have a recommendation for postscript laser printers > (600+ dpi, 12+ ppm) by Lexmark (Optra??) or HP? > > Would appreciate experience reports : died after 4 months etc... > > Need to be conservative : I last bought a USR 28.8/33.6 external modem > which has some weird bug that's causing me heartache :-( If this has a model number 8400xxxx on it call USR techinical support and complian, they have an update to it that fixes the problem. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Sep 26 17:57:29 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27798 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27731 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 17:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA16972; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:27:14 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199609270057.KAA16972@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: more than 2 IDE controllers? To: hua@chromatic.com (Ernest Hua) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:27:13 +0930 (CST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, hua@chromatic.com In-Reply-To: <199609261327.GAA07996@server1.chromatic.com> from "Ernest Hua" at Sep 26, 96 06:27:09 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ernest Hua stands accused of saying: > > > Ok. I got two answers .. "Yes" and "No". > > Does anyone have a definitive explanation for WHY the answer > is "Yes" or "No"? The answer is "yes". I haven't actually seen anyone put their name to a "no" answer, and I think they're not game to be seen saying it in public. The most likely reason for someone saying "no" is that obtaining an IDE controller that can be configured at an address other than the two standard addresses is difficult, if not impossible. Regardless, the correct solution to your problem is to piss off all of your IDE disks, buy a single SCSI controller and stack 4G disks on it. Yes, this approach costs money, but you'll actually benefit from it. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 0411-222-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] Collector of old Unix hardware. "Where are your PEZ?" The Tick [[ From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 00:39:58 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01139 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01100 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 00:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0v6XVz-000QlIC; Fri, 27 Sep 96 09:39 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA00588; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:19:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199609270619.IAA00588@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: DAT Tape drive recomendations To: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU (Rohit Dube) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 08:19:23 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199609262028.QAA21640@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> from "Rohit Dube" at Sep 26, 96 04:28:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rohit Dube writes: > > I am in need of a 4mm External DAT tape drive to back up my FreeBSD > machines. I was wondering if any of you had good words for a particular > drive. Am looking for 2G - 4G capacity. > > Last I remember there was a discussion on the hardware list 2 months > ago, but there was no clear winner. I don't think the situation has changed. > PS: Also, need a recommendation for FreeBSD (free) software which works > well with DAT Tape drives. tar Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 02:28:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA04964 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.philips.nl (ns.philips.nl [130.144.65.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA04909 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) id LAA09497 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:28:29 +0200 Received: from unknown(192.26.173.32) by ns.philips.nl via smap (V1.3+ESMTP) with ESMTP id sma009153; Fri Sep 27 11:26:09 1996 Received: from aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com [130.144.70.193]) by smtp.nl.cis.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-0.9z-02May95) with ESMTP id LAA10890 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:29:10 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (nlnmg01 [130.144.80.6]) by aonc01.nym.sc.philips.com (8.6.10/8.6.10-1.2a-960822) with ESMTP id LAA09688 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:26:58 +0200 Received: from NLNMG01/MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com (Mercury 1.21); 27 Sep 96 11:27:02 +0100 Received: from MAILQUEUE by NLNMG01 (Mercury 1.21); 27 Sep 96 11:26:53 +0100 From: "Kees Jan Koster" Organization: Philips Semiconductors Nijmegen To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:26:48 GMT+0100 Subject: Re: lmbench results for AMD 5k86-P100 Reply-to: Kees.Koster@nym.sc.philips.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-ID: <5D36502BB7@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Maybe later. > > I'd appreciate it ... > Well, I'm afraid it will be a while. I'm currently in the process of moving to Canterbury (UK) to start studying for MSc. Distributed Systems. Maybe in a week or two... No need to reply to me on this mail, my account will be removed as soon as I leave Philips. (Others may still be interested in your comments.) > > > Could someone shed some light on the 'bad MHz' messages below? > [...] > > According to an article in c't magazine (currently the [...] > else (same as lmbench :) > Thanks. I'm glad it is not due to possible memory problems :-) > > > Both Unix and MS-DOS work, altough MS-DOS still feels kind'a fragile. > > I don't care for DOS, but it's a little surprising to hear, > that Unix runs better (more reliable) than DOS on some > hardware. But I could consider this fact as pro-AMD5K :) > I narrowed the problem down to one game (Discworld, by Psychnosis). They were unable to cook up an answer. Oh well, Stonekeep and DescentII run fine, those are the only things I use MS-DOS for anyway. > > Seems that the 5x86/133 (which is rated as equivalent to the > Pentium 75) is 60% of the 5k86-100 (which ought to be as fast > as a P100) in those tests, were 2.1.5 and -current are not > too different. (Ie.: ignore the 5x86's PIPE performance ... :) > I was actually considering to buy the AMD-133, but it turned out to be only about DFL. 100,= cheaper for the set I wanted. I paid about DFl. 900,= for the Exp8661, P100, 512Pb cache plus 32Mb EDO. That would have been about DFL. 700,= for the AMD-133, plus Mainboard with only ;) 256kb cache and 32Mb (non-EDO) ram. 40% extra perfomance for DLF. 200,= is less than I was willing to pay for that and I've got the advantage that this mainboard will hold bigger cpu's in the future. > > [ results snipped ] > > Except for the pipe code, the 5k86 is a factor of 5/3 as fast ... > Yes, except for the pipe code. You don't happen to be working on improving that? ;) > [ snip ] > > The 5k86 is special in that its memory read performance is much > better (by a factor of 2) than its write performance. Not sure why, > but this may also be caused by the motherboards characteristics. > (What chip-set is that, BTW ?) > I think (check www.dataexpert.com) that it's the VX chipset. I'm not sure, but it is the chipset that was repeatedly branded as the 'low-budget' version on this list. Well, it _was_ cheap. Anyway, I saw in the ctcm results for comparing mainboards that this board outperforms some 'high-end' chipset-type mainboard. Check the ctcm motherboard benchmark results for that. (From memory: www.u-net./~sysdoc/ ) > > LMBENCH for sure is not the best CPU benchmark, but it seems > the 5k86 is at least comparable to a P5-100, and seems to be > a cost effective alternative for a server that does not need > to offer peak performance values ... > Hmm. AMD claims that it offers +30% performance over a `real' P100. (Yeah, right, and santa claus uses AMD cpu's, too) Still, I'm very happy with it. Perhaps someone who has an Intel P100 could post his lmbench results, too. I'm curious. Once more, no need to reply to me, I won't be around to read it, but others might be interested. I'll read the mail-archives later ;) Groetjes, Kees Jan From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 06:19:03 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA02428 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darling.cs.UMD.EDU (10862@darling.cs.umd.edu [128.8.128.115]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA02402 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 06:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU Received: by darling.cs.UMD.EDU (8.7.6/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id JAA12031; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609271318.JAA12031@darling.cs.UMD.EDU> To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: HP DAT tape drives Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Are any of the HP DAT tape drives 1534/1536 (external if that makes a difference) known to work on FreeBSD 2.1.0/2.1.5? On a similar note : is there an external version of the Archive/Python DAT drives? I couldn't find the company web page, so a URL would help too. Thanks. --rohit. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 07:08:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09252 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from whizzo.transsys.com (whizzo.TransSys.COM [144.202.42.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA09236 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 07:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.transsys.com (localhost.transsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by whizzo.transsys.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27336; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609271408.KAA27336@whizzo.transsys.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org From: "Louis A. Mamakos" Subject: Re: HP DAT tape drives References: <199609271318.JAA12031@darling.cs.UMD.EDU> In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:18:59 EDT." <199609271318.JAA12031@darling.cs.UMD.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:08:42 -0400 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On a similar note : is there an external version of the Archive/Python DAT > drives? I couldn't find the company web page, so a URL would help too. There was at one time, at least. I have an external Archive/Python DAT drive attached to my FreeBSD system. It's an older DDS-I version, though, and I'm sure that particular model isn't made any longer. During SCSI bus probe, this is what appears here: Jul 10 15:22:55 whizzo /kernel: (ncr0:4:0): "ARCHIVE Python 25501-XXX 2.50" type 1 removable SCSI 2 Jul 10 15:22:55 whizzo /kernel: st0(ncr0:4:0): Sequential-Access Jul 10 15:22:55 whizzo /kernel: st0(ncr0:4:0): 200ns (5 Mb/sec) offset 8. Jul 10 15:22:55 whizzo /kernel: density code 0x13, 512-byte blocks, write-enabled louie From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 09:20:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA24439 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seabass.progroup.com (catfish.progroup.com [206.24.122.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24397 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seabass.progroup.com (seabass.progroup.com [206.24.122.1]) by seabass.progroup.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24978; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <324BFE45.41C67EA6@progroup.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:18:13 -0700 From: Craig Shaver Organization: Productivity Group, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DAT Tape drive recomendations References: <199609262028.QAA21640@seine.cs.UMD.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Rohit Dube wrote: > > Hi, > > I am in need of a 4mm External DAT tape drive to back up my FreeBSD > machines. I was wondering if any of you had good words for a particular > drive. Am looking for 2G - 4G capacity. > > Last I remember there was a discussion on the hardware list 2 months > ago, but there was no clear winner. > > Thanks. > > --rohit. > > PS: Also, need a recommendation for FreeBSD (free) software which works > well with DAT Tape drives. I just bought a HP1533 and love it. It can use the 120 dds-2 tapes and thus get more than 4G on a tape with compression. It is fast and works great on FreeBSD. -- Craig Shaver (craig@progroup.com) (415)390-0654 Productivity Group POB 60458 Sunnyvale, CA 94088 From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Sep 27 18:35:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA14631 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unlisys.unlisys.NET (unlisys.unlisys.net [194.64.15.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA14584 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by unlisys.unlisys.NET (Smail3.1.28.1 [@@]) id m0v6oJI-000aIYC; Sat, 28 Sep 96 03:35 MET DST Received: by gerry (8.6.9/1.34) id JAA13176; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:29:08 +0200 From: tomz@gerry.snafu.de (Thomas Zaenker) Message-Id: <199609270729.JAA13176@gerry> Subject: unsubscribe To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:29:07 -40962758 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk unsubscribe tomz@berlin.snafu.de From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 28 03:09:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07503 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07480 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0v6wKF-000QltC; Sat, 28 Sep 96 12:08 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA29382; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:54:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199609280954.LAA29382@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: HP DAT tape drives To: rohit@cs.UMD.EDU Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:54:54 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199609271318.JAA12031@darling.cs.UMD.EDU> from "rohit@cs.UMD.EDU" at Sep 27, 96 09:18:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk rohit@cs.UMD.EDU writes: > > Are any of the HP DAT tape drives 1534/1536 (external if that makes > a difference) known to work on FreeBSD 2.1.0/2.1.5? Yes. I use a 1536 and an older 35470A. No problems. Use large block sizes (65 kb) for best performance. > On a similar note : is there an external version of the Archive/Python DAT > drives? I couldn't find the company web page, so a URL would help too. Archive got bought out by Conner got bought out by Seagate. I'd try Seagate first. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 28 03:09:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07585 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA07521 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from allegro.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0v6wKG-000QluC; Sat, 28 Sep 96 12:08 MET DST From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA29362; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:48:26 +0200 Message-Id: <199609280948.LAA29362@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: DAT Tape drive recomendations To: craig@progroup.com (Craig Shaver) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:48:26 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD hardware Users) In-Reply-To: <324BFE45.41C67EA6@progroup.com> from "Craig Shaver" at Sep 27, 96 09:18:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Craig Shaver writes: > > Rohit Dube wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I am in need of a 4mm External DAT tape drive to back up my FreeBSD >> machines. I was wondering if any of you had good words for a particular >> drive. Am looking for 2G - 4G capacity. >> >> Last I remember there was a discussion on the hardware list 2 months >> ago, but there was no clear winner. >> >> Thanks. >> >> --rohit. >> >> PS: Also, need a recommendation for FreeBSD (free) software which works >> well with DAT Tape drives. > > I just bought a HP1533 and love it. It can use the 120 dds-2 tapes and > thus get more than 4G on a tape with compression. It is fast and works > great on FreeBSD. Tell me if you still like it after a year's moderate use. Mine are getting better, but I still have trouble from time to time. Greg From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 28 07:59:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA08698 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 07:59:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wong.rogerswave.ca (a17b32.rogerswave.ca [204.92.17.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA08656; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 07:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wong@localhost) by wong.rogerswave.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00299; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:57:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Wong Reply-To: wong@rogerswave.ca To: FreeBSD hackers list cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: anybody recognized this TV & frame capturing device Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk hello all I got a ISA board called TV500 made by REVEAL. it uses cirus logic chipsets ( accuView ) and a philips SAA 9051 chip. can somebody tell me if this is supported under FreeBSD? otherwise, is there any document for the H/W that I can write a device driver for it? thnx ken From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 28 08:57:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA13185 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (slip139-92-42-14.ut.nl.ibm.net [139.92.42.14]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA12956; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 08:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vector.jhs.no_domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.jhs.no_domain (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA16120; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:54:49 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609281554.RAA16120@vector.jhs.no_domain> To: Kees.Koster@nym.sc.philips.com cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: lmbench results for AMD 5k86-P100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. Mailer: EXMH 1.6.7, PGP available X-Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany X-Phone: +49.89.268616 X-Fax: +49.89.2608126 X-Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:26:48 BST." <5D36502BB7@NLNMG01.nym.sc.philips.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:54:48 +0200 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: "Kees Jan Koster" > Well, I'm afraid it will be a while. I'm currently in the process of > moving to Canterbury (UK) to start studying for MSc. Distributed > Systems. UKC: Good choice ! One of the first homes of Unix in the UK (Peter Collinson still lives up the road nearby) I graduated there Summer 1980 with a BSc Hons Computers & Cybernetics, & still have friends in the computer & electronics departments there, it's a nice grassy campus, on a windy hill, room to breath, great pubs :-) I only sold my house there a couple of years ago, even though I left in '85 (to come to Munich). Have fun :-) Julian -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Sep 28 11:38:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03722 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03688 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id LAA16697 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA843935686; Sat, 28 Sep 96 00:12:21 PST Date: Sat, 28 Sep 96 00:12:21 PST Message-Id: <9608288439.AA843935686@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Migration to larger hard disk: How? Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I need to migrate the files of a production FreeBSD 2.1.0-R system from a half-gig IDE hard disk to a 2.5-gig IDE hard disk. I have not tried this before, and would like to (as much as possible) get the procedure right the first time. First off, I need to know the best way to avoid trouble with the large (>4095 cylinder) IDE drive. (Before anyone says it: yes, I agree that IDE is an abomination, but in this case I must proceed with this drive.) How should I set the CMOS? (The BIOS *seems* to have support for disks with large numbers of cylinders, though it only allows a maximum of 16 heads and 63 sectors.) Once I've configured the BIOS to understand the drive's geometry, should I start with the new drive as the slave? Or as the master (with the older drive as the slave)? Next, I need to know how to prepare the drive. When I installed FreeBSD originally, I just walked through the menus presented by the boot diskette. But since FreeBSD's sysinstall utility doesn't seem to work on a system which is already running, how do I find and execute the proper utilities to partition the drive and create filesystems on it? How should I allocate space between the paritions on the new drive? Currently, there are four: root, swap, /usr, and /var. /home is symlinked to /var/home. Should I continue to do things this way, or break /home out into its own partition? Finally, how do I copy everything (including links) to the new drive? How do I temporarily mount the partitions on both the old and new drives and copy the data? How do I then set the mount points so that, when I remove the old drive and make the new one the master, the system boots as before? Can I mount the old drive read-only to avoid any chance of corruption? Since users will be depending on the machine, and we can't have TOO much downtime, I'd like to outline a complete plan before I start and be able to back out of the procedure painlessly if it fails. What do folks out there -- the experts -- recommend? --Brett