From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 10 02:38:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA29229 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29223 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.7.1/8.6.12) with UUCP id LAA15597 for freebsd.org!freebsd-hardware; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:32:45 +0100 (MET) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Sun, 10 Nov 96 11:31 MET Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: Floppy broken in SNAP-2.2-961014 ? To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:31:36 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk When I read a floppy (doesn't matter if 1.44 or 1.2 M) which has some errors on it, so that error messages appear on the console the kernel panics after entering the next command. (message: dma channel busy. ) If the floppy is perfectly good then all goes well. This behaviour appeared in the SNAP of Oct, 14. In earlier releases the floppy worked perfectly. I noticed this yesterday while browsing through a bunch of old floppies. Is this error fixed meanwhile? TIA Robert From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Nov 10 03:01:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00317 for hardware-outgoing; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 03:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA00310 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 03:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunny.aha.ru (sunny.aha.ru [194.135.22.241]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id CAA25733 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 1996 02:59:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by sunny.aha.ru id NAA06576; (8.8.2/vak/1.9) Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:47:11 +0300 (MSK) Message-Id: <199611101047.NAA06576@sunny.aha.ru> Received: from p84.dialup.aha.ru(194.220.185.84) by mail.aha.ru via smap (V1.3) id smaa06478; Sun Nov 10 13:46:57 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alex Povolotsky" To: hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:46:28 -3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: IOmega Tape 250 and FreeBSD Reply-to: tarkhil@aha.ru Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello! Does anyone know if FreeBSD supports IOmega Tape 250 either as floppy tape or as parallel (parallel will be better)? Alex. Alex Povolotsky tarkhil@aha.ru 2:5020/145 From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 02:34:02 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA06905 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA06900 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 02:33:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA23833 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 05:09:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA06757 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 11 Nov 1996 05:09:53 -0500 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 05:09:52 -0400 Message-Id: <6755.847706992@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk (I really hate PC hardware) OK, I upgraded my system. The old config was: 486/DX2-66, EISA, AHA1740, NEC2000 clone, 16550 SIO card, video The new config: OPTi PCI P90, AHA2940, same NE2000 clone, SIO, and video cards. The new config *seems* to work OK (I can boot the DOS partition). I can't boot from floppy (yet) because the new config doesn't have any IDE stuff; I might buy an SIO card that includes an IDE controller later today. The 2940 correctly sees all of my SCSI devices. When I try to boot FreeBSD-2.1.5 I get *maybe* couple of seconds of the "spinner" and then the system just stops. Sometimes I get the "text=xxx" prompt and a couple of seconds of "spinner", sometimes I don't even get the "text=xxx" stuff. I've set the PCI config to use IRQ 11 and "Level" trigger for the slot the AHA2940 is in. (I picked these choices because if I leave everthing alone the box won't even see the disks, and another machine with a PCI BusLogic card used IRQ 11 and Level.) If I plug the SCSI disk cable from the "new" configuration into a box containing the "old" motherboard and the 1740, everything works just fine. I've tried the new config using the same video card and monitor as well as with my new Photon video card and one of my single-synch monitors, and I get the same behavior with either combination. Suggestions on how I can get this beast working again would be most appreciated! H From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 04:56:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA12304 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mccomm.nl (root@gatekeeper.mccomm.nl [193.67.87.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12299 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 04:55:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from hpserver.mccomm.nl (hpserver [193.67.87.13]) by mccomm.nl (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00202; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:54:10 +0100 Message-Id: <199611111354.OAA00202@mccomm.nl> Received: by hpserver.mccomm.nl (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA20081; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:54:49 +0100 From: Rob Schofield Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. To: Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 13:54:49 MET Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6755.847706992@mumps.pfcs.com>; from "Harlan Stenn" at Nov 11, 96 5:09 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Harlan Sez: > (I really hate PC hardware) ;^D You and half the planet... > OK, I upgraded my system. The old config was: > > 486/DX2-66, EISA, AHA1740, NEC2000 clone, 16550 SIO card, video ^^^^^^^ > The new config: > > OPTi PCI P90, AHA2940, same NE2000 clone, SIO, and video cards. ^^^^^^^ Ooops, I can see this coming... > The new config *seems* to work OK (I can boot the DOS partition). I To be honest, you can't just "transplant" the kernel you had in the old system, because there are significant device differences. > The 2940 correctly sees all of my SCSI devices. It will do, and it will even operate under DOS (as you note above, as Adaptec cards all come up as a 1540 in standard/ISA mode), but... > When I try to boot FreeBSD-2.1.5 I get *maybe* couple of seconds of the > "spinner" and then the system just stops. Sometimes I get the > "text=xxx" prompt and a couple of seconds of "spinner", sometimes I > don't even get the "text=xxx" stuff. The spinner is stopping when the driver goes over into EISA Enhanced mode from 1540 standard ISA. The AHA 2940 does *not emulate* the AHA 1740 in enhanced mode. It uses a different mailbox scheme and other stuff. You cannot assume that enhanced mode drivers for the 1740 will work with the 2940, as it is also a different bus architecture! When the driver tries to go into EISA enhanced mode, there's no hardware there to support it... The 2740 EISA board *also* does not emulate the 1740 in enhanced mode, which gives no simple software upgrade even if you'd stuck with EISA. For the 2940 (PCI) architecture, there isn't much in common. You really have to change the driver, and in this case with PCI architecture you'll have to move drivers anyway. Hmm... This is all very well, but what do you have to do to get off the ground? Well, since you can boot DOS from the Hard disk/DOS slice, then the controller IS functional, all you need to do is change your BSD kernel to use a different device driver for the new disk controller card. You should be able to boot from the install floppy and use the -c (change) option from the boot: prompt. This will allow you to disable the 1740 driver and select the 2940 driver. When you're booted, you can get to your kernel config file, edit it to put in the correct device driver for the 2940 and do a re-build/re-boot of the kernel. > If I plug the SCSI disk cable from the "new" configuration into a box > containing the "old" motherboard and the 1740, everything works just > fine. That's right, because the driver installed in the kernel is working with the correct disk controller hardware. > Suggestions on how I can get this beast working again would be most > appreciated! Hope this helps - I had the same agony with the upgrade path between controller cards a while ago now, and in the end I had to spend about an hour on the phone to Adaptec to an engineer to discover the compatibility path between various different driver cards. It turns out that they made a design decision to spilt away from the old 1540/1740 architecture in order to get better performance out of the 2740 EISA card. This just means you have to upgrade your drivers and whizzo! you're in business. Rob -- Witticisms are hard to define on Monday mornings... schofiel@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~schofiel rschof@mccomm.nl From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 08:16:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA23106 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from kaori.communique.net (kaori.Communique.Net [204.27.65.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA23100 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 08:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by kaori.communique.net with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBCFB9.05084CB0@kaori.communique.net>; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:13:44 -0600 Message-ID: From: Raul Zighelboim To: "'hardware@freebsd.org'" Subject: SMC9332DST in 10baseT mode..... Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:13:28 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello there. I am trying :-( to install a Etherpower card on one of my FreeBSD servers... The details: FreeBSD 2.1.5 kernel sees the card: de0 rev 18 int a irq 9 on pci0:12 de0: DC21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 Ethernet address 00:00:c0:9f:f0:e6 de0: enabling 10baseT UTP port Then I enter 'ifconfig ed0 -link2 up: and I get de0: enabling 10baseT UTP port .... All looks well. All looks well, but the hub can't see the card. This is the second card we try. the first one would work OK for an hour, then slow down to crawling transfer rates. Is there some magic involved that I am missing ? BTW - the card passes all DOS test from the SMC distribution floppy. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------- Raul Zighelboim mango@communique.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 10:33:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA01441 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01436 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id KAA17606; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29569; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:32:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611111832.KAA29569@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Harlan Stenn cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 11 Nov 96 05:09:52 -0400. <6755.847706992@mumps.pfcs.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 10:32:44 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >OK, I upgraded my system. The old config was: > 486/DX2-66, EISA, AHA1740, NEC2000 clone, 16550 SIO card, video >The new config: > OPTi PCI P90, AHA2940, same NE2000 clone, SIO, and video cards. You're not trying to use the same kernel, are you? You realize the 1740 and the 2940 are not identical in any way. They could hardly be any more different. They won't work with each others' driver. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 13:06:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09902 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09849 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA25349; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:06:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA13409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:06:07 -0500 To: Rob Schofield , "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Nov 1996 13:54:49 +0700." <199611111354.OAA00202@mccomm.nl> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 16:06:05 -0400 Message-Id: <13407.847746365@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks for the response, guys. I must be missing something here. I know I went from an EISA board with a 174x to a PCI board with a 2940. I'm not saying: The kernel is loading and it doesn't run I'm saying: The kernel won't load. I've tried to load/boot kernel.GENERIC and it doesn't work. I've made a new kernel with both the ahb0 and ahc0 controllers in it, and that won't load either. I might even build a kernel with the aha0 controller in it so *maybe* I can boot the PCI machine with both the 2940 and a 154x card in it (although that 154x card has been flakey lately). It looks like I'll get that SIO+IDE card today so I can at least boot that PCI box from a floppy while using as few cards as possible. Or am I missing something else? Thanks... H From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 14:15:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA14673 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA14619 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:14:56 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id OAA15596; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:14:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA847750238; Mon, 11 Nov 96 14:52:47 PST Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 14:52:47 PST Message-Id: <9610118477.AA847750238@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Harlan Stenn , rschof@mccomm.nl, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Most likely problem: the sector mapping on one controller is different from that on the other. The BIOS always tries to boot from what it sees as the first sector on the disk -- the Master Boot Record (or MBR). That's cylinder 0, head 0, sector 0. But SCSI disks don't address storage in terms of those physical parameters; they use block numbers. So SCSI controllers for the PC platform map those parameters to a block number. The mapping doesn't necessarily start at the first block on the disk, though. In fact, many controllers store private information in a few reserved blocks at the beginning of the disk. If you switch controllers, the number of reserved blocks might be different, or their contents might look like gibberish to the new controller. The only answer: back up, change controllers, repartition, make new file systems, restore. Usually, the controller writes its private information (if any) when you rewrite the MBR -- that is, as you partition. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Nov 11 23:20:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28503 for hardware-outgoing; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28496 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id XAA09000; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA01622; Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611120720.XAA01622@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com cc: Harlan Stenn , rschof@mccomm.nl, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 11 Nov 96 14:52:47 -0800. <9610118477.AA847750238@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:12 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Most likely problem: the sector mapping on one controller is different from >that on the other. This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there a few times, too, but I'm not positive. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 00:26:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01926 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01845 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA286517010; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:23:30 -0800 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA164067009; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:23:29 -0800 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA113677008; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:23:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199611120823.AA113677008@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, Harlan Stenn , rschof@mccomm.nl, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Reply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 11 Nov 1996 23:20:12 PST." <199611120720.XAA01622@MindBender.serv.net> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 00:23:27 -0800 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Michael L. VanLoon (michaelv@MindBender.serv.net) wrote: > >Most likely problem: the sector mapping on one controller is different from > >that on the other. > > This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never > seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, > an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there > a few times, too, but I'm not positive. I've seen it between a 1542CF and an NCR815. The Adaptec used a C/H/S geometry like C/64/32 or C/255/63 (I forget which -- perhaps it depends on the "support disks >1GB" setting?). My NCR815-based controller (a DTC 3130B) appears to use a very different geometry: C1/H1/63, where: H1 = int((disk_size / 63 + 1023) / 1024) C1 = int(disk_size / (63 * H1)) disk_size = total size of disk in sectors With the NCR, my Quantum 4GB Atlas has a geometry of 1017/131/63, and my Quantum Fireball 1280S has a geometry of 1019/39/63. These are quite different from the Adaptec geometries. Do the NCR geometries vary from controller to controller? -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Hewlett-Packard, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 05:23:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA23058 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 05:23:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.winc.com (root@home.winc.com [204.178.182.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23051; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 05:22:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.aristar.com (slip125.winc.com [204.178.182.125]) by home.winc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA08890; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:22:43 -0500 Message-ID: <32887A8B.2781E494@aristar.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:24:27 -0500 From: "Matthew A. Gessner" Organization: Aristar, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01b1 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers , FreeBSD Hardware group Subject: Dell laptop problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, all, Well, I *thought* I had this stupid machine working... When I boot the machine (2.1.5R) with the 3Com pc-card in it, these symptoms are a little less annoying, but they're still there: When I boot the machine, it runs SLOOOOOW (75Mhz Pentium). If I boot with -c, and then do 'vi' I get 'blocky' response: it does a few lines of text, waits for 60 seconds, does a little more, etc. If I do anything like press X to expand everything, I still wait. When I'm finally done, it hangs for about 3-4 minutes trying to find psm0, which I've configured correctly, I think. It finds all the devices, eventually. It also wants to hang on wd0 when it finds it. Finally, after init starts, I have to press Ctrl-C a few times to get it to finish the sequence of startups. When the system is all done booting, it seems to run fine when I login as root. Can anyone shed any light on what I might be doing wrong? Some of this behaviour is inconsistent: for example sometimes the CPU identification runs quickly (1-3 seconds), but other times it takes a couple of minutes. I'm guessing maybe something's wrong with the BIOS settings, but I would have no idea where to start. Thanks in advance, guys, Matt -- Matthew Gessner, Computer Scientist, Aristar, Inc. 302 N. Cleveland-Massillon Rd. Akron, OH 44333 Voice (330) 668-2267, Fax (330) 668-2961 From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 08:12:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA02050 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:12:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02021 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id IAA23247; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA847814742; Tue, 12 Nov 96 00:17:03 PST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 00:17:03 PST Message-Id: <9610128478.AA847814742@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com, rschof@mccomm.nl, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never > seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, > an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there > a few times, too, but I'm not positive. It depends on the geometry of the drive. The 1542 doesn't support the same translation schemes as many of the others. I've had trouble moving between 1542s and 27xx's in the past, not to mention between 1542s and non-Adaptec models. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 08:37:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04103 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from persprog.com (persprog.com [204.215.255.203]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04080 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by persprog.com (8.7.5/4.10) id LAA18001; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:17:40 -0500 Received: from dasa(192.2.2.199) by cerberus.ppi.com via smap (V1.3) id sma017999; Tue Nov 12 11:17:34 1996 Received: from DASA/SpoolDir by dasa.ppi.com (Mercury 1.21); 12 Nov 96 11:17:37 +0500 Received: from SpoolDir by DASA (Mercury 1.30); 12 Nov 96 11:17:29 +0500 From: "David Alderman" Organization: Personalized Programming, Inc To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" , Harlan Stenn , rschof@mccomm.nl, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:17:25 +0500 Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-ID: <229687605AD@dasa.ppi.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" > > >Most likely problem: the sector mapping on one controller is different from > >that on the other. > > This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never > seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, > an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there > a few times, too, but I'm not positive. > You must have never used Future Domain, have you? ;-) All of the controllers you mentioned forutnately use the same geometry scheme AFAIK. There are controllers out there that use different mapping schemes that can cause failure - particularly older models. Also DOS>1G support can cause boot loader problems, although I don't remember the boot loader failure in the place mentioned. Actually I have encountered what appears to be a geometry problem involving the same controller in two different motherbards. Going from a ASUS P55TP4N to an ASUS P55T2P4 with a hard disk and controller results in a failure to load the boot loader. Of course, this was under SCO (and who knows what atrocities they are committing in their boot loader) but it's still quite a mystery. ====================================== When philosophy conflicts with reality, choose reality. Dave Alderman -- dave@persprog.com ====================================== From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 08:52:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA05306 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA05277 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:52:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id DAA32444; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:47:09 +1100 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:47:09 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611121647.DAA32444@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Cc: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com, rschof@mccomm.nl Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> >Most likely problem: the sector mapping on one controller is different from >> >that on the other. >> >> This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never >> seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, >> an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there >> a few times, too, but I'm not positive. At least Buslogics (I've only used a 445c) and NCRs (I've only used an SC200 with an ASUS P55TP4XE) seem to adapt to the geometry in the partition table. They seem to use essentially the same algorithm as FreeBSD to choose a geometry that is consistent with the partition table. I just checked this for the NCR. Initially, the partition table was garbage (the default FreeBSD partition table) and the geometry was garbage: Nov 13 01:57:57 alphplex /kernel: 1:03f7413f 0..1015=1016 cylinders, 0..65=66 heads, 1..63=63 sectors I then changed the partition table to a valid one by telling fdisk that the geometry was 9999/255/63 and entering one partition starting and ending on a cylinder boundary and covering slightly more than the whole disk (999 is not used). Then the NCR BIOS correctly decided that the geometry was 263/255/63: Nov 13 02:16:26 alphplex /kernel: 1:0106fe3f 0..262=263 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 263 is ((disk size in sectors = 4226725) / 255 / 63) rounded down. Next I did the same with 256 heads instead of 255. The NCR BIOS correctly decided that the geometry was 262:256:63: Nov 13 02:31:10 alphplex /kernel: 1:0105ff3f 0..261=262 cylinders, 0..255=256 heads, 1..63=63 sectors ISTR that the Buslogic couldn't handle this case (the Buslogic handled smaller powers of 2 OK). Next I tried a weird 9999/159/47 geometry. The NCR BIOS had no problems: Nov 13 02:42:09 alphplex /kernel: 1:02349e2f 0..564=565 cylinders, 0..158=159 heads, 1..47=47 sectors Next I tried a weird 9999/159/47 geometry with the partition ending at the end of the disk (so it doesn't end on a cylinder boundary). The NCR BIOS was confused again: Nov 13 02:48:49 alphplex /kernel: 1:03f7413f 0..1015=1016 cylinders, 0..65=66 heads, 1..63=63 sectors > I've seen it between a 1542CF and an NCR815. The Adaptec used a >C/H/S geometry like C/64/32 or C/255/63 (I forget which -- perhaps it >depends on the "support disks >1GB" setting?). My NCR815-based >controller (a DTC 3130B) appears to use a very different geometry: > > C1/H1/63, where: > H1 = int((disk_size / 63 + 1023) / 1024) > C1 = int(disk_size / (63 * H1)) > disk_size = total size of disk in sectors It seems to do this when there is garbage (or zeros) in the partition table. H1 is the smallest value that keeps C1 <= the magic 1024 limit. The formula is probably actually H1 = min(above H1, 63). > Do the NCR geometries vary from controller to controller? They vary from disk to disk :-). I usually use C/64/32 up to 1GB and C/255/63 for larger disk. C/255/63 should be used for all new disks. See the Linux large disk howto for several worse rules for determining the geometry. Some Linux drivers apparently try to duplicate what the controller's BIOS would do. All FreeBSD drivers use the same method to determine what the controller's BIOS and/or partition table installperson has done. This works better iff the partition table is nonempty. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 10:01:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09620 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09538; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA29886; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:59:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199611121759.KAA29886@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Cat Okita cc: "Marc G. Fournier" , soward@service1.uky.edu, smp@FreeBSD.org, current@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: GigaByte GA-586DX-512 Motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:32:59 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:59:10 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Last message to -current Lets move this from -current to hardware where it belongs (keep smp, please) -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 10:01:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA09710 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09698 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id KAA18809; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06690; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611121801.KAA06690@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com cc: Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com, rschof@mccomm.nl, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 12 Nov 96 00:17:03 -0800. <9610128478.AA847814742@ccgate.infoworld.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 10:01:19 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> This is theoretically possible. But in the Real World, I have never >> seen this happen, juggling drives between a BusLogic BT747s, a BT956c, >> an Adaptec 2940UW, and an NCR 53c810. I think I mixed a 1542 in there >> a few times, too, but I'm not positive. >It depends on the geometry of the drive. The 1542 doesn't support the same >translation schemes as many of the others. I've had trouble moving between >1542s and 27xx's in the past, not to mention between 1542s and non-Adaptec >models. That must be the key, then: the 1542 is the weak link in the chain. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 11:21:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14966 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:21:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14936 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:21:23 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id LAA25438; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 11:14:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA847825842; Tue, 12 Nov 96 11:50:49 PST Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 11:50:49 PST Message-Id: <9610128478.AA847825842@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: Bruce Evans , darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, Harlan.Stenn@pfcs.com, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > At least Buslogics (I've only used a 445c) and NCRs (I've only used an > SC200 with an ASUS P55TP4XE) seem to adapt to the geometry in the > partition table. Buslogic is better than most, since they make a special effort to be compatible with all Adaptec controllers (both the old and new ones). They're more compatible with Adaptec controllers than Adaptec is within its own product line! The CAM specification, which was created by a group within the ANSI SCSI Committee and then largely ignored, gives an algorithm for determining a sector mapping scheme. This algorithm seems to work in most cases, but not all controllers use it. In particular, the old Adaptecs and Future Domains didn't. --Brett From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 17:44:40 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA17467 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:44:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from news.scb.co.th (news.scb.co.th [202.44.216.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA17462 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 17:44:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nopadon@localhost) by news.scb.co.th (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA01769; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:45:26 +0700 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 08:45:26 +0700 From: Nopadon Sae-Han Subject: Modem PCMCIA To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear all, I just install FreeBSD 2.1.5 but I would like to know how can I use modem pcmcia on my notebook? Notebook: NEC Model VERSA S/33 Modem PCMCIA: DATA RACE (RediCARD V.32bis) Thank You, -Nopadon From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 23:23:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA29495 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from foxtrot.boesusa.com (foxtrot.boesusa.com [207.19.216.197]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA29490; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bab@localhost) by foxtrot.boesusa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA02395; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:21:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 01:21:01 -0600 From: Barry Boes Message-Id: <199611130721.BAA02395@foxtrot.boesusa.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: SMC 9332 CC: bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to get a bunch of SMC 9332 cards to work in 10Mb mode. I'm having <0 luck. Here are all the dead-ends I've gone down. I started with a 2.1.5 kernel, which found the card but treated it as the experimental 21140. The card turned on at 10Mb but during the device probe switched to 100Mb. Switching link2 made the kernel say it was switching rates, but to no effect. So I installed a -stable kernel. Same gig. Then I pulled the -current if_de.c and dc21040.h. I compiled them into the -stable kernel by changing a few things like ether_ioctl to work the old way. Still no change. Card goes into 100Mb mode and won't come out. So then I tried disabling the code in 9332_media_select and probe so that the interface rate would never get changed. That makes the card stay in 10Mb mode (my hub understands that it's there). But, I can't see any packets going out the interface or coming into the interface. I read the hardware documentation and was under the impression that these cards were supported. Am I just completely missing the point somewhere? Does it work and I'm doing something wrong or do they not work? If they don't work, is there any reasonably easy way for me to get my hands on the relevant databooks so I can make it work? Thanks, Barry Boes From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Nov 12 23:58:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01017 for hardware-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from salsa.gv.ssi1.com (salsa.gv.ssi1.com [146.252.44.194]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00994; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:58:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.ssi1.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA04317; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:58:46 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199611130758.XAA04317@salsa.gv.ssi1.com> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 23:58:45 -0800 In-Reply-To: Barry Boes "SMC 9332" (Nov 13, 1:21am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: Barry Boes , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SMC 9332 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 13, 1:21am, Barry Boes wrote: } Subject: SMC 9332 } } Hello, } I'm trying to get a bunch of SMC 9332 cards to work in 10Mb } mode. I'm having <0 luck. Here are all the dead-ends I've } gone down. } I started with a 2.1.5 kernel, which found the card but treated it } as the experimental 21140. The card turned on at 10Mb but during the } device probe switched to 100Mb. Been there, done that. I had a lot better luck though. It worked most of the time, but about one in 20 reboots it would say that it was switching to 100Mb mode and it would do really bad things on our network, like cause all our HP-UX boxes on the same hub to disable their network interfaces. } Switching link2 made the kernel say } it was switching rates, but to no effect. I didn't try that, since these failures weren't making me popular around here. } So I installed a -stable kernel. Same gig. } } Then I pulled the -current if_de.c and dc21040.h. I } compiled them into the -stable kernel by changing a few } things like ether_ioctl to work the old way. Still no } change. Card goes into 100Mb mode and won't come out. I grabbed the stuff from -current a couple weeks ago and made similar mods. I haven't had a bit of trouble since. That version of the driver was pulled into current a few days ago, over the weekend I believe. It shows signs of working, but I don't yet have anything currently running that version of -stable. } So then I tried disabling the code in 9332_media_select } and probe so that the interface rate would never get changed. } That makes the card stay in 10Mb mode (my hub understands that } it's there). But, I can't see any packets going out the interface } or coming into the interface. Hmn, sounds like the card doen't think it's got a good connection. Is the cabling all up to snuff? Does the card show good link status (is the link light on)? --- Truck From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 00:02:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01333 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01310; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18274; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611130802.AAA18274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SMC 9332 In-Reply-To: <199611130721.BAA02395@foxtrot.boesusa.com> from Barry Boes at "Nov 13, 96 01:21:01 am" To: bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com (Barry Boes) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:02:01 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > I'm trying to get a bunch of SMC 9332 cards to work in 10Mb > mode. I'm having <0 luck. Here are all the dead-ends I've > gone down. Is this a model SMC9332DST or is it a SMC9332BDT (the BDT is the newer revision of the board, I have a test sample on the way and it is unknow if it works correctly)? If you have the SMC9335DST it should work just fine and dandy with 2.1.5, no hacking needed. > I started with a 2.1.5 kernel, which found the card but treated it > as the experimental 21140. The card turned on at 10Mb but during the > device probe switched to 100Mb. Switching link2 made the kernel say > it was switching rates, but to no effect. > So I installed a -stable kernel. Same gig. > > Then I pulled the -current if_de.c and dc21040.h. I > compiled them into the -stable kernel by changing a few > things like ether_ioctl to work the old way. Still no > change. Card goes into 100Mb mode and won't come out. > So then I tried disabling the code in 9332_media_select > and probe so that the interface rate would never get changed. > That makes the card stay in 10Mb mode (my hub understands that > it's there). But, I can't see any packets going out the interface > or coming into the interface. > > I read the hardware documentation and was under the impression > that these cards were supported. Am I just completely missing > the point somewhere? Does it work and I'm doing something wrong > or do they not work? > > If they don't work, is there any reasonably easy way for me > to get my hands on the relevant databooks so I can make it work? > > Thanks, > Barry Boes > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 00:46:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA03031 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:46:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from salsa.gv.ssi1.com (salsa.gv.ssi1.com [146.252.44.194]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03007; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gdonl@localhost) by salsa.gv.ssi1.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA04525; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:46:03 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis Message-Id: <199611130846.AAA04525@salsa.gv.ssi1.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:46:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Rodney W. Grimes" "Re: SMC 9332" (Nov 13, 12:02am) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" , bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com (Barry Boes) Subject: Re: SMC 9332 Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Nov 13, 12:02am, "Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: } Subject: Re: SMC 9332 } > } > Hello, } > I'm trying to get a bunch of SMC 9332 cards to work in 10Mb } > mode. I'm having <0 luck. Here are all the dead-ends I've } > gone down. } } Is this a model SMC9332DST or is it a SMC9332BDT (the BDT is the newer } revision of the board, I have a test sample on the way and it is unknow } if it works correctly)? } } If you have the SMC9335DST it should work just fine and dandy with } 2.1.5, no hacking needed. Mine is a DST and hacking was needed for reliable operation. --- Truck From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 05:25:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA16146 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 05:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp [131.113.32.126]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16120; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 05:24:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hosokawa@localhost) by lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (8.7.6/8.7.3) id WAA24145; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:08:00 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:08:00 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199611131308.WAA24145@lenlen.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp> To: mgessner@aristar.com Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org, hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp Subject: Re: Dell laptop problems In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 12 Nov 1996 08:24:27 -0500. <32887A8B.2781E494@aristar.com> From: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp (HOSOKAWA Tatsumi) X-Mailer: mnews [version 1.19] 1995-07/21(Fri) Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In article <32887A8B.2781E494@aristar.com> mgessner@aristar.com writes: >> When I boot the machine, it runs SLOOOOOW (75Mhz Pentium). If I boot Default IRQ of zp driver is 10. Does your laptop have any inactive (it means a device not probed or used by FreeBSD) device that uses IRQ 10? -- HOSOKAWA, Tatsumi E-mail: hosokawa@mt.cs.keio.ac.jp hosokawa@jp.FreeBSD.org WWW homepage: http://www.mt.cs.keio.ac.jp/person/hosokawa.html From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 09:08:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28584 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from foxtrot.boesusa.com (foxtrot.boesusa.com [207.19.216.197]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA28566 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:07:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bab@localhost) by foxtrot.boesusa.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA05119; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:05:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:05:22 -0600 From: Barry Boes Message-Id: <199611131705.LAA05119@foxtrot.boesusa.com> To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: SMC 9332BDT CC: bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thank you all very much for your responses. Once you told me the DP83840 was the difference between the DST and the BDT it was pretty easy to get it working. It works great so far in 10Mb mode, I have to go home to plug it into a 100Mb port to test it. Here's what I have done to get it to work. o FreeBSD 2.1.5 system o 2.1.5-current kernel supped Nov 11 1996. o Replaced if_de.c and dc21040.h from -current supped Nov 11 1996 o Modified if_de.c to work in 2.1.5 (mainly backing out ether_ioctl() in tulip_ifioctl() o Made the smc9332_boardsw use the de500aa_media_... and 21140_mii... calls instead of the 9332... and nomii... calls. This probably isn't optimized for the 9332 BDT but it does work. If anyone wants to use the 9332 BDT in 2.1-stable let me know and I will give you the two new files. -Barry From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 10:08:46 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA02844 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (in-ruhr.ruhr.de [193.100.176.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02831 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.ruhrgebiet.individual.net (8.7.1/8.6.12) with UUCP id SAA01420; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:51:21 +0100 (MET) Received: by robkaos.ruhr.de (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Wed, 13 Nov 96 18:46 MET Message-Id: From: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Subject: Re: broken floppy driver In-Reply-To: <199611131359.OAA24940@uriah.heep.sax.de> from J Wunsch at "Nov 13, 96 02:59:25 pm" To: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (J Wunsch) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:46:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As David Greenman wrote: > > > When I read a floppy (doesn't matter if 1.44 or 1.2 M) which > > has some errors on it, so that error messages appear on the console > > the kernel panics after entering the next command. > > (message: dma channel busy. ) If the floppy is perfectly good then > > all goes well. > > Robert has been reporting this to me previously, but he seems to > be the only one with this phenomenon, and i haven't seen a floppy- > caused panic for at least a year now. Of course, i'm heavily > stress-testing with known-to-be-broken floppies myself... > > Robert, any more data on this? Can you get a kernel dump out of > this, or a DDB traceback? > Of course, but how can one produce a kernel dump or a DDB traceback? I haven't done such things before. BTW, the panic is produced my a general protection fault while in kernel mode. Robert From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 13:37:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18042 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:37:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18026; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07786; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:34:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199611132134.OAA07786@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Cat Okita cc: mika ruohotie , gwh@spiders.com, soward@service1.uky.edu, smp@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@ki.net Subject: Re: GigaByte GA-586DX-512 Motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:23:19 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:34:52 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > The Procase box isn't bad: > ... > side - mounting the MB was simple (and would have been simpler if I'd read > the stuff on the face plate :<), and the clip ins were nice. are the motherboard mount points the traditional "nylon + 2 metal studs", or are they all metal? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzHe7tEAAAEEAM274wAEEdP+grIrV6UtBt54FB5ufifFRA5ujzflrvlF8aoE 04it5BsUPFi3jJLfvOQeydbegexspPXL6kUejYt2OeptHuroIVW5+y2M2naTwqtX WVGeBP6s2q/fPPAS+g+sNZCpVBTbuinKa/C4Q6HJ++M9AyzIq5EuvO0a8Rr9AAUR tBlTdGV2ZSBQYXNzZSA8c21wQGNzbi5uZXQ+ =ds99 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 13:38:43 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18150 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18140; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA07797; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:35:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199611132135.OAA07797@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Cat Okita cc: mika ruohotie , gwh@spiders.com, soward@service1.uky.edu, smp@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@ki.net Subject: Re: GigaByte GA-586DX-512 Motherboard In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:23:19 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:35:04 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > The Procase box isn't bad: > ... > side - mounting the MB was simple (and would have been simpler if I'd read > the stuff on the face plate :<), and the clip ins were nice. are the motherboard mount points the traditional "nylon + 2 metal studs", or are they all metal? -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzHe7tEAAAEEAM274wAEEdP+grIrV6UtBt54FB5ufifFRA5ujzflrvlF8aoE 04it5BsUPFi3jJLfvOQeydbegexspPXL6kUejYt2OeptHuroIVW5+y2M2naTwqtX WVGeBP6s2q/fPPAS+g+sNZCpVBTbuinKa/C4Q6HJ++M9AyzIq5EuvO0a8Rr9AAUR tBlTdGV2ZSBQYXNzZSA8c21wQGNzbi5uZXQ+ =ds99 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 13:44:33 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18624 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from troll.uunet.ca (troll.uunet.ca [142.77.1.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18615; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 13:44:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by troll.uunet.ca with SMTP id <21006-22792>; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:44:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 16:44:15 -0500 From: Cat Okita To: Steve Passe cc: mika ruohotie , gwh@spiders.com, soward@service1.uky.edu, smp@FreeBSD.org, hardware@FreeBSD.org, scrappy@ki.net Subject: Re: GigaByte GA-586DX-512 Motherboard In-Reply-To: <199611132135.OAA07797@clem.systemsix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Steve Passe wrote: > are the motherboard mount points the traditional "nylon + 2 metal studs", > or are they all metal? They're coloured silver, but are way too light to be most metals. Basically, they just clip into the appropriate point on the board (much nicer than the silly nylong things), and you then screw the MB into them. Hope this helps, Cat From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 14:15:05 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20869 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail001.mediacity.com (mail001.mediacity.com [206.24.105.68]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20846 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: brian@mediacity.com Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 13 Nov 1996 22:14:41 -0000 Received: from home001.mediacity.com (HELO mediacity.com) (206.24.105.66) by mail001.mediacity.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 1996 22:14:41 -0000 Received: (qmail-queue invoked by uid 100); 13 Nov 1996 22:14:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19961113221420.23461.qmail@mediacity.com> Subject: Re: SMC 9332 To: rgrimes@GndRsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 14:14:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: bab@foxtrot.boesusa.com, hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611130802.AAA18274@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at "Nov 13, 96 00:02:01 am" Reply-To: brian@mediacity.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hello, > > I'm trying to get a bunch of SMC 9332 cards to work in 10Mb > > mode. I'm having <0 luck. Here are all the dead-ends I've > > gone down. > Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Is this a model SMC9332DST or is it a SMC9332BDT (the BDT is the newer > revision of the board, I have a test sample on the way and it is unknow > if it works correctly)? I have the BDT model, and the kernel keeps selecting the BNC/AUI port on the card even through it doesn't have one. ifconfig with various link options generates the same message. I.E. no work. brian@Mediacity.com From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 15:52:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26399 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from tetsuo (Tetsuo.Communique.Net [204.27.65.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26393; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 15:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from yama.communique.net (Yama.Communique.Net [204.27.65.3]) by tetsuo (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA31876; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:51:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:51:27 -0600 (CST) From: Raul Zighelboim To: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org cc: hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am running FreeBSD 2.1.5 on a PPro ... I tried using the SMC PCI ethernet card, but the 10baseT support seems broken: the first card we tried, would slow down to a crowl after a few minutes. The second one will not see/bessen by the hub at all. Then we tried to order the 3C595.. backlog on most stores. We ordered a 3C590. We received instead a 3C900 card, the 590 beeing discontinued :-( Questions: What PCI Ethernet card is solid and has good support under FBSD? Is it possible to get this 3C900 card working under 2.1.5 ? Thanks for the answeres :-) From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 17:49:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02852 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02831; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from saguaro.flyingfox.com (saguaro.flyingfox.com [204.188.109.253]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with SMTP id RAA02750 ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:49:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jas@localhost) by saguaro.flyingfox.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA14939; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:45:14 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:45:14 -0800 From: Jim Shankland Message-Id: <199611140145.RAA14939@saguaro.flyingfox.com> To: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? Cc: hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > What PCI Ethernet card is solid and has good support under FBSD? The standard answer has been to use cards based on the DEC 21x40 chips, especially the SMC cards. I've used the SMC9332DST in 10 Megabit mode under 2.1.0-RELEASE and 2.1.5-RELEASE in some pretty important applications, with no problems (other than an excessively high reported collision count). I'm disturbed by the recent reports of problems with these cards. I really need a stable, solid, PCI-based 10/100 Mbit Ethernet solution for FreeBSD. Is there anyone who can shed some light on what's going on here (i.e., what seems to be the underlying cause of the various failures)? I'd be happy to help in any way I can (test changes, donate a card, hack at the driver, whatever). Jim Shankland Flying Fox Computer Systems, Inc. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 18:51:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06631 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06619; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA09058; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:51:20 -0800 (PST) To: Jim Shankland cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:45:14 PST." <199611140145.RAA14939@saguaro.flyingfox.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 18:51:20 -0800 Message-ID: <9056.847939880@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I'm disturbed by the recent reports of problems with these > cards. I really need a stable, solid, PCI-based 10/100 Mbit > Ethernet solution for FreeBSD. Is there anyone who can shed Well, before you get too worried about this, just let me point out that *all* of our SMC and Compex DC21040 based cards at Walnut Creek CDROM work flawlessly, and we've got something like 15-20 machines using them at 100BTX and 10BT speeds. They *do* seem somewhat more susceptible to bad cabling than most cards. I was seeing abnormally high collision counts on my home network and was rather puzzled by it until I thought to replace a terminator I suspected. No problems since. I'm rather curious myself at this recent spate of reports - perhaps SMC has done something hairbrained with their latest revision of adaptors? It might also help if those larger shops who are having problems would consider sending one of the failing cards to David Greenman - we can't fix what we can't see. :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 19:04:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07394 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:04:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from roo (ras138.mediasoft.net [205.139.200.38]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07384 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from daveho@localhost) by roo (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00199; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:05:52 -0500 (EST) From: David Hovemeyer Reply-To: Hovemeyer_D@mediasoft.net To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Univation NIC? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I recently acquired an 8 bit ethernet card made by "Univation", circa 1988. It has an Intel 82586 chip on it. Anyone know if it is supported by any FreeBSD driver? Yes, I know 8 bit ethernet cards are junk. Dave From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 19:57:27 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10171 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.yahoo.com (mailhost.yahoo.com [205.216.162.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10166 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:57:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from honker.yahoo.com (honker.yahoo.com [205.216.162.77]) by mailhost.yahoo.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA20071 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:57:14 -0800 Received: (from alex@localhost) by honker.yahoo.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA06704; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:56:56 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 19:56:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199611140356.TAA06704@honker.yahoo.com> From: Alexander Winske To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD as Terminal Server Reply-to: alex@yahoo.com Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy, I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... tia, Alex From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 20:25:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11862 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:25:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11856 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 20:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from downlink.eng.umd.edu (downlink.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.182]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26511 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by downlink.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07711 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:11:39 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: downlink.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:11:38 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@downlink.eng.umd.edu To: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: CPU heatsinks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or should I neatly smear some on? Thanks. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 21:23:37 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA14355 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA14350; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21132; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:23:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611140523.VAA21132@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? In-Reply-To: <199611140145.RAA14939@saguaro.flyingfox.com> from Jim Shankland at "Nov 13, 96 05:45:14 pm" To: jas@flyingfox.COM (Jim Shankland) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:23:05 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > What PCI Ethernet card is solid and has good support under FBSD? > > The standard answer has been to use cards based on the DEC 21x40 > chips, especially the SMC cards. I've used the SMC9332DST in 10 > Megabit mode under 2.1.0-RELEASE and 2.1.5-RELEASE in some > pretty important applications, with no problems (other than an > excessively high reported collision count). The SMC9332DST would be a rock solid card, I have sold 100's of them and only had 2 reported field problems, one tracked to bad cabling, the other had something to do with trying to run it out of the uplink port of a Cisco 7000 with a cross over cable, fixed by putting a hub between them. The reported collision count is (was) a driver bug. > I'm disturbed by the recent reports of problems with these > cards. I really need a stable, solid, PCI-based 10/100 Mbit > Ethernet solution for FreeBSD. Is there anyone who can shed > some light on what's going on here (i.e., what seems to be the > underlying cause of the various failures)? I'd be happy to help > in any way I can (test changes, donate a card, hack at the > driver, whatever). It appears that the driver needs some work to support the new style PHY/MII interface that all of the manufactures of DC21140 cards are changing to. My SMC master distributor has informed me that the 9332DST is discontiued, being replaced with the SMC9332BDT. I have ordered some of his last stock on the DST, but that will be gone in days :-(. I have 4 different manufactures (soon 5, a SMC9332BDT is on it's way) that use a new interface chip to the external world, a quick look at my DFE-500TX revision C1 shows a DP83840VCE and DP83223V being used. I know this has not been much help, but atleast it fills in some of the details. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 21:34:23 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA15022 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA15013; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA21146; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611140533.VAA21146@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? In-Reply-To: <9056.847939880@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Nov 13, 96 06:51:20 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:33:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: jas@flyingfox.COM, freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I'm disturbed by the recent reports of problems with these > > cards. I really need a stable, solid, PCI-based 10/100 Mbit > > Ethernet solution for FreeBSD. Is there anyone who can shed > > Well, before you get too worried about this, just let me point out > that *all* of our SMC and Compex DC21040 based cards at Walnut Creek > CDROM work flawlessly, and we've got something like 15-20 machines > using them at 100BTX and 10BT speeds. They *do* seem somewhat more > susceptible to bad cabling than most cards. I was seeing abnormally > high collision counts on my home network and was rather puzzled by it > until I thought to replace a terminator I suspected. No problems > since. > > I'm rather curious myself at this recent spate of reports - perhaps > SMC has done something hairbrained with their latest revision of > adaptors? Known fact, most of the vendors that I am dealing with on the DC21x4x based cards have _ALL_ done design revisions in the last few months. Some of these cards still work fine, others the cards are totally non-functional now under FreeBSD :-( Most of these changes involve either going from the DC21040 to the DC21041 chip and changing some other things (most of this should now be fixed by the recent update to the driver, I just haven't had time to dust off the dead product sitting on my shelf and start testing them, and it is a low priority issue for me since I have functional product in the KNE40BT cards using the DC21041 chip.) The bigger issue is the DC21140 based cards, they have also all been revised to use a new PHY/MII interface chip(s), and it seems even the latest version of the driver is not dealing with this fact :-(. > > It might also help if those larger shops who are having problems would > consider sending one of the failing cards to David Greenman - we can't > fix what we can't see. :-) I am not only willing to hand carry them over to David, I will pay him some reasonable fee to work on and fix the driver to support both the new versions of the cards from SMC (SMC9332BDT) and the D-Link DFE-500TX. If David does not have the time, that offer extends to Matt Thomas as well. (Except I'll have to FedX the cards to him :-)). The balls now in your court, I have made the offer of putting the hardware and money in your hands to get some of this fixed.... > Jordan -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 21:53:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA16156 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [204.216.27.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16149; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:53:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.8.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA01906; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:52:41 -0800 (PST) To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: jas@flyingfox.COM, freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:33:12 PST." <199611140533.VAA21146@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:52:41 -0800 Message-ID: <1904.847950761@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am not only willing to hand carry them over to David, I will pay him > some reasonable fee to work on and fix the driver to support both the new > versions of the cards from SMC (SMC9332BDT) and the D-Link DFE-500TX. > > If David does not have the time, that offer extends to Matt Thomas > as well. (Except I'll have to FedX the cards to him :-)). > > The balls now in your court, I have made the offer of putting the hardware > and money in your hands to get some of this fixed.... And it's appreciated - I'll talk to David about this when I see him in Las Vegas on monday. Unfortunately, we're both going to be stuck at COMDEX manning the FreeBSD booth for all of next week, so don't be surprised if you don't hear anything back immediately. We're both going to be out of action for at least 10 days as a result of this miserable ordeal^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwonderful conference. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 22:09:01 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17172 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17149 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA10165; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:07:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199611140607.XAA10165@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 From: Steve Passe To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:11:38 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:07:56 -0700 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, > I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new > case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual > Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old > Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the > heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink > compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is > there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or > should I neatly smear some on? I wouldn't do it till you've got a couple days burnin. For one thing it wont hurt to run a little hotter while checking for hardware flakyness. Also dont want to give the vendor any excuse for not taking it back. I have found that this stuff tends to "bake" over long periods of time and become more like glue than paste. I once had a fan go after several years and literally had to use a screwdriver to break it off the chip, not a lot of fun! Just make sure it gets good mechanical contact when you reinstall it. Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the bloody edge, didn't you?) -- Steve Passe | powered by smp@csn.net | FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 22:30:36 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17778 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.n4hhe.ampr.org (max7-108.HiWAAY.net [206.104.17.108]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17685 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 22:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.n4hhe.ampr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05020; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:28:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:18:06 -0600 (CST) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: Chuck Robey Subject: RE: CPU heatsinks Cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 04:11:38 Chuck Robey wrote: >>I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new >case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual >Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old >Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the >heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink >compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is >there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or >should I neatly smear some on? Was it "bare metal to ceramic" or by any chance was there a gasket in between? There are thin silicon gaskets that have similar conductive properties as the grease and are much cleaner. I've seen a lot of other places these days where the thermal grease and/or gasket was not used, am guessing they decided the heatsink was "good enough". So I grease 'em because I can't stand knowing its not as good as it could be. Be sure to use a real thin coat. Only a little more than the thinest you can do. Apply a thin coat, put the heatsink in place, then remove it and observe the contact. If you made a nice perfect contact between both surfaces the first time you probably used too much. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Nov 13 23:30:24 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA20602 for hardware-outgoing; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (ghpc6.ihf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.90.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA20583 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 1996 23:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from thomas@localhost) by ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA27917; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:29:39 +0100 From: Thomas Gellekum Message-Id: <199611140729.IAA27917@ghpc6.ihf.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: broken floppy driver To: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de (Robert Schien) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:29:38 +0100 (MET) Cc: j@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from Robert Schien at "Nov 13, 96 06:46:29 pm" Organization: Institut f. Hochfrequenztechnik, RWTH Aachen X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL11 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Robert Schien wrote: > > As David Greenman wrote: > > > > > When I read a floppy (doesn't matter if 1.44 or 1.2 M) which > > > has some errors on it, so that error messages appear on the console > > > the kernel panics after entering the next command. > > > (message: dma channel busy. ) If the floppy is perfectly good then > > > all goes well. > > BTW, the panic is produced my a general protection fault while in kernel mode. I have the same problem (dma channel 2 busy) and the occasional panic (2.2-961014-SNAP). No more details currently, the machine is at home and I wanted to try to get more information first. BTW, I'm sure the floppies I feed my drive are good; written here at work on a 2.1.0-machine and I can read them back without problems. tg From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 00:03:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA22074 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22069; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:03:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21387; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611140802.AAA21387@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: 3C900 - 3C590 - 3C595 - SMC and PCI ethernet cards ??? In-Reply-To: <1904.847950761@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Nov 13, 96 09:52:41 pm" To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:02:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: jas@flyingfox.COM, freebsd-questions@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@communique.net, hardware@freefall.freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I am not only willing to hand carry them over to David, I will pay him > > some reasonable fee to work on and fix the driver to support both the new > > versions of the cards from SMC (SMC9332BDT) and the D-Link DFE-500TX. > > > > If David does not have the time, that offer extends to Matt Thomas > > as well. (Except I'll have to FedX the cards to him :-)). > > > > The balls now in your court, I have made the offer of putting the hardware > > and money in your hands to get some of this fixed.... > > And it's appreciated - I'll talk to David about this when I see him in > Las Vegas on monday. Unfortunately, we're both going to be stuck at > COMDEX manning the FreeBSD booth for all of next week, so don't be > surprised if you don't hear anything back immediately. We're both > going to be out of action for at least 10 days as a result of this > miserable ordeal^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hwonderful conference. :-) Already taken care of, David now has a DFE-500TX rev C1, Kingston KNE100TX and a Compex ENET100TX-PCI. Of these a quick look at things shows that the DFE and KNE cards are using the same chips and shouldn't be too bad to fix, the Compex is a tossed in thing I had laying around, and I don't really care if it gets fixed or not. Lets give David a few days to see what he comes up with... -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 00:05:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA22325 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:05:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from altos.rnd.runnet.ru (altos.rnd.runnet.ru [195.208.248.40]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA22287; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from altos.rnd.runnet.ru (altos.rnd.runnet.ru [195.208.248.253]) by altos.rnd.runnet.ru (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA26555; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 11:03:12 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <328AD23F.41C67EA6@run.net> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 08:03:11 +0000 From: Maxim Bolotin Organization: Rostov State University Computer Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.1.5-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alex@yahoo.com CC: hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, max@rnd.runnet.ru Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server References: <199611140356.TAA06704@honker.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Alexander Winske wrote: > > Howdy, > I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on > a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow > console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). > > Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport > serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? > I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than > 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... > > tia, > Alex I think you can use DigiBoard PC/16i or PC/16e. It has 16 ports with speed up to 115K. The model PC/16e is cheeper than other 'cause it has only 64K buffer , other has 128K-512K. The driver for 2.1.5, stable is work weel, Now I port it for 2.2, I send it to author (Serge A. Babkin ) He said me he'll send it to Bruce Evans. New version work very well. I'm using PC/16e with 4 leased lines ( 28K ), 6 terminals (9600K) and printer (9600K). All It work under 2.2-SNAP-141096. Max. -- Rostov State University Computer Center Rostov-on-Don, +7 (8632) 285794 or 357476 From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 00:27:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA23407 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravenock.cybercity.dk (disn62.cybercity.dk [194.16.57.62]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA23394 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 00:26:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ravenock.cybercity.dk (8.8.2/8.7.3) id JAA00893; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:27:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611140827.JAA00893@ravenock.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server To: alex@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:27:21 +0100 (MET) From: "Soren Schmidt" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199611140356.TAA06704@honker.yahoo.com> from "Alexander Winske" at Nov 13, 96 07:56:56 pm From: sos@freebsd.org Reply-to: sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Alexander Winske who wrote: > > Howdy, > I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on > a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow > console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). > > Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport > serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? > I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than > 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... Look at some of the newer Stallion boards, I think they support upto 64 ports per card, so two of them should have you rolling. You'd need a decent CPU and plenty of RAM though. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Søren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team Even more code to hack -- will it ever end .. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 01:14:13 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA25442 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25437 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 01:14:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id UAA06709; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:10:24 +1100 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:10:24 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611140910.UAA06709@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: robsch@robkaos.ruhr.de, thomas@ghpc8.ihf.rwth-aachen.de Subject: Re: broken floppy driver Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I have the same problem (dma channel 2 busy) and the occasional panic >(2.2-961014-SNAP). No more details currently, the machine is at home >and I wanted to try to get more information first. > >BTW, I'm sure the floppies I feed my drive are good; written here at >work on a 2.1.0-machine and I can read them back without problems. The message "isa_dmastart: channel 2 busy" is normal after floppy i/o errors. It is caused by the fd driver's poor error handling. This shouldn't cause a panic. However, syscons' and probably pcvt's output routines are not reentrant, so its quite possible for interrupting normal console i/o to print a panic message to cause a panic :-(. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 02:13:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA28319 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28311 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id CAA06228; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16059; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611141013.CAA16059@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Chuck Robey cc: FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 Nov 96 22:11:38 -0500. Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:13:26 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new >case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual >Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old >Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the >heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink >compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is >there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or >should I neatly smear some on? I haven't seen a vendor yet who *does* put the silicone grease on for you. My Pentium and Pentium Pro certainly didn't come that way. I added it myself, after the fact. I really wouldn't want to run it without the grease, however. Especially if a fan were to die. I actually had my Pentium 100, overclocked to 120, run for a couple days straight with a dead fan that I didn't know about. Got a couple crashes and didn't know why. Opened the case, and the fan is just quivering back and forth. After a new fan, the machine has been running perfectly at 120MHz for several more months. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 02:15:18 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA28393 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA28385 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id CAA06234; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA16087; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:14:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611141014.CAA16087@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Steve Passe cc: Chuck Robey , FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 Nov 96 23:07:56 -0700. <199611140607.XAA10165@clem.systemsix.com> Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 02:14:26 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage >you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will >be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking >against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the >bloody edge, didn't you?) >From what I've seen, the top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". All the important information is on the bottom (stepping, speed, cache size, etc.). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 03:33:56 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA01843 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01838 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:33:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id WAA10910; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:30:10 +1100 Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:30:10 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611141130.WAA10910@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: alex@yahoo.com, sos@ravenock.cybercity.dk Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >In reply to Alexander Winske who wrote: >> >> Howdy, >> I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on >> a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow >> console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). >> >> Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport >> serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? >> I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than >> 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... 3 * 32-port Cyclades boards should work OK at such a low speed, but are very expensive (list prices are US$1328 for a 32Ye (ISA) and $1537 for a 32YeP (PCI). Discount prices seem to be slightly more than half the list prices). >Look at some of the newer Stallion boards, I think they support >upto 64 ports per card, so two of them should have you >rolling. You'd need to translate the istallion driver from the Linlish :-). The current version is too green to use. It disables interrupts and calls tsleep() :-(. I did a quick check for drivers in isa/*.c that abuse disable_intr() and found these: ctx.c: disables interrupts and calls uiomove(). Apart from disabling interrupts too long, this probably causes big problems if uiomove() pagefaults. istallion.c: uses disable_intr() a lot when it should just use spltty(). Disables interrupts and calls tsleep(). This probably causes big problems. joy.c: disables interrupts and polls. There seems to be no better way to handle the braindamaged joystick h/w. ncr5380.c: disables interrupts and busy-waits for too long. rc.c: harmlessly disables interrupts a lot when it should just use spltty(). This is because some of it was duplicated from an old version of sio. Sio needs to disable interrupts because it uses a fast-interrupt handler, but rc doesn't (yet?). stallion.c: like istallion.c except it doesn't call tsleep() with interrupts disabled. disable_intr()/enable_intr() should only be used by drivers in 2 cases: 1) when the driver uses a fast-interrupt handler. 2) to access hardware registers when there are timing constraints. Interrupts should not be masked for more than 10 usec outside of fast- interrupt handlers or for more than 100 usec inside fast-interrupt handlers. Systems with a huge number of (sio or cy) serial ports can't possibly meet the 100 usec constraint :-). >You'd need a decent CPU and plenty of RAM though. At least a 486/33 with 4M of RAM for a dedicated system :-). 100 * 240 bytes/sec is a whole 24K/sec. In practice, I guess the average throughtput would be closer to 24 bytes/sec and the connection speed would be about 9600 instead of 2400. (Don't use 2400, at least with sio or cy boards, because the fifo trigger level will be set to 1 to improve latency - this makes the maximum burst rate marginal for a 486/33. Don't use much more than 9600 since e.g. 115200 would make the maximum burst rate too large for a P6/200.) Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 03:56:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA03230 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from root.com (implode.root.com [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03225 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:56:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root.com (8.7.6/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA10565; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:56:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611141156.DAA10565@root.com> X-Authentication-Warning: implode.root.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Bruce Evans cc: alex@yahoo.com, sos@ravenock.cybercity.dk, hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:30:10 +1100." <199611141130.WAA10910@godzilla.zeta.org.au> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 03:56:01 -0800 Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>In reply to Alexander Winske who wrote: >>> >>> Howdy, >>> I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on >>> a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow >>> console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). >>> >>> Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport >>> serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? >>> I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than >>> 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... > >3 * 32-port Cyclades boards should work OK at such a low speed, >but are very expensive (list prices are US$1328 for a 32Ye (ISA) >and $1537 for a 32YeP (PCI). Discount prices seem to be slightly >more than half the list prices). They sell to ISPs at the discount price (about 1/2). If anyone's interested, talk to Doris Li, 510 770 9727. She's very familiar with FreeBSD... -DG David Greenman Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 04:36:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA05932 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:36:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from po2.glue.umd.edu (po2.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.45]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA05924 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:36:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from carrier.eng.umd.edu (carrier.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.188]) by po2.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA06903; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by carrier.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24028; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:36:04 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: carrier.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:36:04 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@carrier.eng.umd.edu To: Steve Passe cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-Reply-To: <199611140607.XAA10165@clem.systemsix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, Steve Passe wrote: > Hi, > > > I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new > > case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual > > Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old > > Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the > > heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink > > compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is > > there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or > > should I neatly smear some on? > > I wouldn't do it till you've got a couple days burnin. For one thing it wont > hurt to run a little hotter while checking for hardware flakyness. Also dont > want to give the vendor any excuse for not taking it back. I have found that > this stuff tends to "bake" over long periods of time and become more like > glue than paste. I once had a fan go after several years and literally had > to use a screwdriver to break it off the chip, not a lot of fun! > Just make sure it gets good mechanical contact when you reinstall it. > > Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage > you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will > be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking > against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the > bloody edge, didn't you?) Oh, yeah. I've been spoiled by nearly never having a panic on my other machine, I'm expecting them at least once on week for a while, during smp-playtime. thanks for the comments. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 04:40:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA06233 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06225 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 04:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from carrier.eng.umd.edu (carrier.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.188]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02403; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by carrier.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24080; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:40:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: carrier.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 07:40:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@carrier.eng.umd.edu To: David Kelly cc: FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: CPU heatsinks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, David Kelly wrote: > > On 04:11:38 Chuck Robey wrote: > >>I was messing around with my new motherboard, getting it into the new > >case, and one of the two heatsinks popped off. Understand it's a dual > >Pentium Pro system, with heat sinks definitely larger than the old > >Pentiums. I noticed on taking a very, very careful closer look, that the > >heatsinks had been installed sans the usual white silicone heatsink > >compound, which I have on hand (having used on previous systems). Is > >there some reason on the PPro that the silicone hadn't been applied, or > >should I neatly smear some on? > > Was it "bare metal to ceramic" or by any chance was there a gasket > in between? There are thin silicon gaskets that have similar > conductive properties as the grease and are much cleaner. Never seen the gasket thing. The Pentium-Pro chip is considerably larger than the Pentium ... do you happen to have any reference to where I might pick up this gasket? I don't like smearing messy glue either. > I've seen a lot of other places these days where the thermal > grease and/or gasket was not used, am guessing they decided the > heatsink was "good enough". So I grease 'em because I can't > stand knowing its not as good as it could be. > > Be sure to use a real thin coat. Only a little more than the thinest > you can do. Apply a thin coat, put the heatsink in place, then remove > it and observe the contact. If you made a nice perfect contact between > both surfaces the first time you probably used too much. > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) > ===================================================================== > The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its > capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. > ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 15:37:45 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19911 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [204.216.27.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19893 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from po1.glue.umd.edu (po1.glue.umd.edu [129.2.128.44]) by who.cdrom.com (8.7.5/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA00817 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 15:37:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from skipper.eng.umd.edu (skipper.eng.umd.edu [129.2.103.24]) by po1.glue.umd.edu (8.8.2/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29350; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost) by skipper.eng.umd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11766; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:36:00 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: skipper.eng.umd.edu: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:35:59 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@skipper.eng.umd.edu To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" cc: Steve Passe , FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-Reply-To: <199611141014.CAA16087@MindBender.serv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > >Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage > >you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will > >be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking > >against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the > >bloody edge, didn't you?) > > >From what I've seen, the top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". All the > important information is on the bottom (stepping, speed, cache size, > etc.). Well, I didn't take it out of the socket, but the top had this information: KB80521 EX166 Q935 512K L619006Q-0238 It was sold to me as 166MHz e/w 512K cache, which seems likely, even tho I don't know how to decode the gobledegook I just typed. Rod doubtlessly does, but I'm not sure I want to know if I've been had. Perhaps I'd be happier not knowing 8-) ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 and picnic, both FreeBSD (301) 220-2114 | version 3.0 current -- and great FUN! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 17:11:28 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29298 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:11:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29293 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00903; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:11:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 20:11:39 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: Nate Williams cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is SmartUPS the way to go? In-Reply-To: <199610241850.MAA06471@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, we have a piece of software (upsd) and it works. Having *just* > gone through this I recommend that you get the UPS SmartUPS (not the > SmartUPS V/S). > > The upsd stuff is sitting in the incoming directory on freefall. It just came in today. Do you know the file name? I don't see it offhand. thanks. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 17:34:41 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00732 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00723 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:34:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.mt.sri.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA08279; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:34:32 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:34:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199611150134.SAA08279@rocky.mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams To: Jeremy Sigmon Cc: Nate Williams , hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is SmartUPS the way to go? In-Reply-To: References: <199610241850.MAA06471@rocky.mt.sri.com> Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jeremy Sigmon writes: > > Yes, we have a piece of software (upsd) and it works. Having *just* > > gone through this I recommend that you get the UPS SmartUPS (not the > > SmartUPS V/S). > > > > The upsd stuff is sitting in the incoming directory on freefall. > > It just came in today. Do you know the file name? I don't see it offhand. > thanks. It's also on the 2.1.5 CD, so you should be able to get it there as well in the experimental distribution. Nate From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 18:17:16 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03283 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nexgen.n4hhe.ampr.org (max4-161.HiWAAY.net [206.104.20.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03273 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 18:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dkelly@localhost) by nexgen.n4hhe.ampr.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06071; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:24:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.5-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:12:56 -0600 (CST) Organization: Amateur Radio N4HHE, Madison, AL. From: David Kelly To: Chuck Robey Subject: RE: CPU heatsinks Cc: FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On 13:40:05 Chuck Robey wrote: > >Never seen the gasket thing. The Pentium-Pro chip is considerably larger >than the Pentium ... do you happen to have any reference to where I might >pick up this gasket? I don't like smearing messy glue either. Don't know right off the top of my head but I'd start with DigiKey (most likely http://www.digikey.com/) and Mouser (also guessing http://www.mouser.com/). Not sure that you could find the info on web pages, but at least you'd get their 800-number. If that failed I'd start bugging my local electronics distributors and watching EE Times and EDN more closely. I smeared the silicon grease on my CPU's. It can be messy but I don't do that many CPU's and "one size fits all" with the grease. One thing about the gasket that might rule it out for a CPU: when you *bolt* a transistor to a heat sink you have a fair bit of pressure to deform a gasket to the surfaces. You don't have that pressure between a big expensive delicate chip and heatsink. I once bought a 486 fan and heatsink that had a gasket, but who knows if anybody'd ever bothered to determine if that gasket was an insulator or conductor? You know what kind of junk is sold in the PC market... -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@tomcat1.tbe.com (wk), dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm) ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Nov 14 19:15:57 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA06934 for hardware-outgoing; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:15:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (hq.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.33]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06872; Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.7.5/8.6.5) id IAA01844; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:08:29 +0500 (ESK) From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199611150308.IAA01844@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server To: max@run.net (Maxim Bolotin) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:08:29 +0500 (ESK) Cc: alex@yahoo.com, hardware@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, max@rnd.runnet.ru In-Reply-To: <328AD23F.41C67EA6@run.net> from "Maxim Bolotin" at Nov 14, 96 08:03:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Alexander Winske wrote: > > > > Howdy, > > I'm looking to set up a largish terminal server on > > a FreeBSD box. (I want to log console output and allow > > console sessions with approx. 75-100 hosts). > > > > Can anyone out there recommend a flavor of multiport > > serial card that will allow me to have that many ports? > > I would think that they wouldn't have to be doing more than > > 2400 baud each, if that makes any difference... > > > > tia, > > Alex > I think you can use DigiBoard PC/16i or PC/16e. It has 16 ports > with speed up to 115K. The model PC/16e is cheeper than other > 'cause it has only 64K buffer , other has 128K-512K. > The driver for 2.1.5, stable is work weel, Now I port it for > 2.2, I send it to author (Serge A. Babkin ) > He said me he'll send it to Bruce Evans. New version work very well. > I'm using PC/16e with 4 leased lines ( 28K ), 6 terminals (9600K) and > printer (9600K). All It work under 2.2-SNAP-141096. I can say you what Bruce replied to me :-) This driver needs lots of clean up. I hope I'll do it at this weekend. -SB From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 03:25:59 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA07022 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:25:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA06960 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 03:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07388; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:24:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA07284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:24:39 -0500 To: Bruce Evans Cc: darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:47:09 +1100." <199611121647.DAA32444@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:24:37 -0400 Message-Id: <7280.848057077@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I still have the problem, and it happens on two different bootable drives. I can boot either drive from the 1740 (enhanced mode), and neither drive from the 2940. I booted a DOS diskette that contains PFDISK on both machines, and each machine reports the same geometry for each disk. Tomorrow I'll try to add a new drive to the 2940, do a controller-level format, and see if I can install the OS again. I've tried enabling and disabling the >1G translation with no effect. If anybody has any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them! H From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 04:55:08 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10790 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lserver.infoworld.com (lserver.infoworld.com [192.216.48.4]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA10743; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com Received: from ccgate.infoworld.com (ccgate.infoworld.com [192.216.49.101]) by lserver.infoworld.com (8.7.5/8.7.3/GNAC-GW-1.2) with SMTP id EAA27840; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ccgate.infoworld.com (SMTPLINK V2.11) id AA848061945; Thu, 14 Nov 96 23:47:13 PST Date: Thu, 14 Nov 96 23:47:13 PST Message-Id: <9610158480.AA848061945@ccgate.infoworld.com> To: "Serge A. Babkin" , max@run.net Cc: alex@yahoo.com, hardware@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, max@rnd.runnet.ru Subject: Re: FreeBSD as Terminal Server Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Will the Digi driver work with the X/em? Last time I tried, it didn't. From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 06:42:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA17409 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from birdland.rhein-neckar.de (root@birdland.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.88.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA17387; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by birdland.rhein-neckar.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA16997; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:41:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:41:22 +0100 (MET) From: BSD Mailinglisten-User To: hardware@freebsd.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SMC Etherpower 10/100 no longer works Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi! Today we received two new servers for our intranet. We had absolutely no problems with the SMC Etherpower 10/100 in our older servers (running 2.1.0 Release and now 2.1.5 stable), so we ordered the new servers with this card. Our dealer informed us that there is a new version of the SMC Etherpower 10/100 requiring new NT drivers. He had NT preinstalled on the machines, so he could test them. We formated the disks and installed 2.1.5 Release. The generic kernel on the bootdisk recognized the card, but after initializing the linkstate led on the card went off. It was not possible to use it. After putting the complete (and about 24h old) /usr/src and /usr/obj from 2.1.5-stable on a tape, installing it on the new machine and installing the latest stable-kernel, I did a reboot. This time, the linkstate-led is on, but I received "de0: transmission timeout" messages. After successfully locating an "old" SMC card in an unused PC I installed it in the new machine. It works flawlessly. It seems that the new version isn't fully compatible to the old one. Is there a patch available? The markings I found are: "old" SMC Etherpower 10/100: 60 600518-002 REV A 1994 9332 DST Digital 21140-AB DC1010CA "new" : 60 600542-000 REV A 1996 9332 BDT Digital 21140-AC DC1036DA The new board is much smaller, has less chips and no 9-pin sub-D port. Martin | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 07:06:26 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA18862 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18855 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:06:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25257; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611151504.HAA25257@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-Reply-To: from Chuck Robey at "Nov 14, 96 06:35:59 pm" To: chuckr@Glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:04:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, smp@csn.net, FreeBSD-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > > > > > >Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage > > >you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will > > >be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking > > >against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the > > >bloody edge, didn't you?) > > > > >From what I've seen, the top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". All the > > important information is on the bottom (stepping, speed, cache size, > > etc.). On the Pentium and Pentium PRO all the good stuff is on the top, on later Pentiums they have duplicated it on the bottom as well, just for your and my convienence :-) > > Well, I didn't take it out of the socket, but the top had this > information: > > KB80521 EX166 Q935 512K ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | |-- Internal Cache size | | | | | |--- Intel S-Spec number (See Below) | | | |--- Internal maximum clock allowed | |--- Intel official part number for a Pentium PRO processor (Really te KB80521EX166 is the complete part number and the space before the EX is not there.) > L619006Q-0238 | |--- Intel Serial Number > > It was sold to me as 166MHz e/w 512K cache, which seems likely, even tho > I don't know how to decode the gobledegook I just typed. Rod doubtlessly > does, but I'm not sure I want to know if I've been had. Perhaps I'd be > happier not knowing 8-) Well, I told you what the diffent parts mean, I didn't tell you what the S-Spec value and Serial number with a Q in it mean :-) :-) But I am going to spill the beans, it is really not that bad, you have a Q/A Sample. This means this chip came from a run that was really meant for doing Q/A testing of the fabrication and packaging. Often if the lot of chips pasts all the testing Intel will ship them to distribution. I don't have a PPRO S-Spec book so I can't give you the specifics as to what mask set and stepping the chip is, and what known bugs it has, but given this is a 166Mhz part the Q's don't really bother me, infact they may have found that the Q/A parts where so good they never tweaked the process and told them to run a few 10,000 more off the line to fulfill the Back Orders. Intel S-Spec numbers are used when order parts from OFFICIAL INTEL distribution channels (large OEM's and Master Distributors deal only with REAL part numbers and S-Spec's.). You use the S-Spec to be sure you get the stepping and other special characteristics you need for your design. ASUS is about the only motherboard manufacturer I have seen that has S-Spec data in thier FAQ's about requirements for things like SMP on certail model boards, and voltage settings. One last little detail... does your chip say in big black bold letters ``Pentium PRO'' accross the heat spreader (the big copper colored thing on top of the chip.) If so then this chip has automatic Voltage Identification (VID) and is of more recent vintage. Chips that do not have this on them are very early runs, and you have to manually set the MB to the correct voltage. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 07:57:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA22900 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22870; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:56:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA25439; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611151555.HAA25439@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: SMC Etherpower 10/100 no longer works In-Reply-To: from BSD Mailinglisten-User at "Nov 15, 96 03:41:22 pm" To: bsd@birdland.rhein-neckar.de (BSD Mailinglisten-User) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi! > The work to fix the SMC9332BDT vs the SMC9332DST is under way. SMC has changed the card, you have the new model card :-(. > Today we received two new servers for our intranet. We had absolutely no > problems with the SMC Etherpower 10/100 in our older servers (running > 2.1.0 Release and now 2.1.5 stable), so we ordered the new servers with > this card. > > Our dealer informed us that there is a new version of the SMC Etherpower > 10/100 requiring new NT drivers. He had NT preinstalled on the machines, > so he could test them. We formated the disks and installed 2.1.5 Release. > The generic kernel on the bootdisk recognized the card, but after > initializing the linkstate led on the card went off. It was not possible > to use it. > > After putting the complete (and about 24h old) /usr/src and /usr/obj from > 2.1.5-stable on a tape, installing it on the new machine and installing > the latest stable-kernel, I did a reboot. This time, the linkstate-led is > on, but I received "de0: transmission timeout" messages. After > successfully locating an "old" SMC card in an unused PC I installed it in > the new machine. It works flawlessly. > > It seems that the new version isn't fully compatible to the old one. Is > there a patch available? > > The markings I found are: > > "old" SMC Etherpower 10/100: 60 600518-002 REV A 1994 9332 DST > Digital 21140-AB DC1010CA > > "new" : 60 600542-000 REV A 1996 9332 BDT > Digital 21140-AC DC1036DA > > The new board is much smaller, has less chips and no 9-pin sub-D port. > > > Martin > > | Martin Jangowski E-Mail: maja@birdland.rhein-neckar.de | > | Voice: +49 621/53 95 06 Fax: +49 621/53 95 07 | > | Snail Mail: Koenigsbacher Str. 16 D-67067 Ludwigshafen Germany | > | RNInet e.V. Rhein-Neckar Internet | > > -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 11:56:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12114 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:56:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12109 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id LAA18840; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA27483; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:56:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611151956.LAA27483@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey), smp@csn.net, FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 15 Nov 96 07:04:31 -0800. <199611151504.HAA25257@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:56:16 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> > >Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage >> > >you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will >> > >be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking >> > >against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the >> > >bloody edge, didn't you?) >> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: >> > >From what I've seen, the top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". All the >> > important information is on the bottom (stepping, speed, cache size, >> > etc.). >On the Pentium and Pentium PRO all the good stuff is on the top, on >later Pentiums they have duplicated it on the bottom as well, just for >your and my convienence :-) "On the ... Pentium PRO all the good stuff is on the top" This is an incorrect generalization. On MY Pentium Pro, all the "good stuff" is on the bottom. The top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 13:44:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19209 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19192 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26499; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199611152143.NAA26499@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-Reply-To: <199611151956.LAA27483@MindBender.serv.net> from "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" at "Nov 15, 96 11:56:16 am" To: michaelv@MindBender.serv.net (Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:43:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, smp@csn.net, FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL25 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >> > >Oh, one other thing, b4 you do appply it record ALL the numbers & wordage > >> > >you see on the top of the chip (& bottom while your at it). As you will > >> > >be helping with the SMP kernel we may want to know these for checking > >> > >against errata sometime in the future (you did volunteer to walk on the > >> > >bloody edge, didn't you?) > > >> On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com wrote: > >> > >From what I've seen, the top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". All the > >> > important information is on the bottom (stepping, speed, cache size, > >> > etc.). > > >On the Pentium and Pentium PRO all the good stuff is on the top, on > >later Pentiums they have duplicated it on the bottom as well, just for > >your and my convienence :-) > > "On the ... Pentium PRO all the good stuff is on the top" > > This is an incorrect generalization. On MY Pentium Pro, all the "good > stuff" is on the bottom. The top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". Okay, what does it say on the bottom then? I suspect you have a very early chip, probably not even laser etched, which means you could also have false markings. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation, Inc. Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 14:24:51 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21740 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21705 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id OAA23234; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:24:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA28094; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:24:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611152224.OAA28094@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: chuckr@glue.umd.edu, smp@csn.net, FreeBSD-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CPU heatsinks In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 15 Nov 96 13:43:43 -0800. <199611152143.NAA26499@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:24:27 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> stuff" is on the bottom. The top only says "Intel Pentium Pro". >Okay, what does it say on the bottom then? I suspect you have a very >early chip, probably not even laser etched, which means you could also >have false markings. I haven't had my PPro open for probably a month, and probably won't in the next few days. I'll try to recite this from memory... There was something like xx200-256K (the xx's are something I don't remember). I do remember that there were numbers under there clearly identifying it as a 200MHz part with a 256K cache. Then I remember something like "SY032" as well. I remember this because there was a table on the Asus site that said you needed a SY013 or something like that for something to work. I remember thinking min was way newer than that. Don't know exactly what this marking means, but the Asus table calls it "CPU Spec". ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 17:40:04 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02429 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:40:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.hsc.wvu.edu (www.hsc.wvu.edu [157.182.105.122]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02397 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:39:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jsigmon@localhost) by www.hsc.wvu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA00262; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:39:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:39:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Sigmon To: Nate Williams cc: hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is SmartUPS the way to go? In-Reply-To: <199611150134.SAA08279@rocky.mt.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > The upsd stuff is sitting in the incoming directory on freefall. > > > > It just came in today. Do you know the file name? I don't see it offhand. > > thanks. > > It's also on the 2.1.5 CD, so you should be able to get it there as well > in the experimental distribution. > My CDs have not come in yet :( I was unable to find an experimental directory on ftp.freebsd.org. Is is somewhere "special"? thanks From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 18:25:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA04572 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ec.camitel.com (ec.camitel.com [206.231.123.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04565 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cfortin@localhost) by ec.camitel.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA02916; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4 [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:18:07 -0500 (EST) Organization: =?us-ascii?Q?=C9lectro-Conception?= From: Christian Fortin To: Jeremy Sigmon Subject: Re: Is SmartUPS the way to go? Cc: Nate Williams , hardware@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Best Power Corporation have also a daemon for his intelligent UPS, It come in source code, just to compile it. It provide many featurs such broadcast message and intelligent shutdown,... Daemon know about battery state and % of load. It work fine and can take the goodest desision for the best time to do the shutdown, or stay alive... It didn't work with APC... Only Best micro-controled serial terminal UPS. On 16-Nov-96 Jeremy Sigmon wrote: >> >> > > The upsd stuff is sitting in the incoming directory on freefall. >> > >> > It just came in today. Do you know the file name? I don't see it offhand. >> > thanks. >> >> It's also on the 2.1.5 CD, so you should be able to get it there as well >> in the experimental distribution. >> > >My CDs have not come in yet :( I was unable to find an experimental >directory on ftp.freebsd.org. Is is somewhere "special"? >thanks ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Christian Fortin Date: 11/15/96 Heure: 21:18:07 ##################################################--------+ Electro-Conception tel:(418) 872-6641 | 3665 Croisset fax:(418) 872-9198 | Quebec,P.Q. www.ec.camitel.com/ec | Canada ftp.ec.camitel.com | G1P-1L4 | /----|<|----WM--|(--J --------------------------L---WM-----< \----1 --- - From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 23:05:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA14918 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA14909 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA10296; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:04:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA19430 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:04:03 -0500 To: Bruce Evans Cc: darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, michaelv@MindBender.serv.net, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Nov 1996 03:47:09 +1100." <199611121647.DAA32444@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 02:03:59 -0400 Message-Id: <19428.848127839@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I unplugged all of my existing SCSI disks, leaving my CDrom and 4mm DAT drive. I took a 2G Seagate barracuda and put it in the box, grabbed a boot floppy and the 2.1.5 installation CDrom, and fired it up. While loading in the bin distribution, I kicked over to the "output" window (Alt-F2, as I recall). I started seeing messages like: sd0(ahc0:0:0): Timed out in dataout phase, SCSISIGI=0x0 Sometimes it's in "message" phase, sometimes SCSISIGI is 0xe6 or 0xf6. Sometimes I get a line that says: asserted ATN - device reset in message buffer and then I get bus resets and various numbers of SCBs aborted. With terminators at each end of the bus i've gone from "automatic" termination on the card to "diabled" termination on the card with no change in effect. Any suggestions on where the problem might be? Thanks... H From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Nov 15 23:40:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA15758 for hardware-outgoing; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA15753 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id XAA05449; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA29171; Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:38:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611160738.XAA29171@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Harlan Stenn cc: Bruce Evans , darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 16 Nov 96 02:03:59 -0400. <19428.848127839@mumps.pfcs.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:38:28 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I unplugged all of my existing SCSI disks, leaving my CDrom and 4mm DAT >drive. >I took a 2G Seagate barracuda and put it in the box, grabbed a boot > sd0(ahc0:0:0): Timed out in dataout phase, SCSISIGI=0x0 >With terminators at each end of the bus i've gone from "automatic" >termination on the card to "diabled" termination on the card with no >change in effect. > >Any suggestions on where the problem might be? Defective cable? What's terminating the bus? Are you sure that device is terminating correctly? Try switching it so a different devices is terminating. Also, you still have two items on your bus. Try removing each of them, and see if that makes any difference. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 00:38:00 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA16980 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:38:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from pcpsj.pfcs.com (harlan.fred.net [205.252.219.31]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16975 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mumps.pfcs.com (mumps.pfcs.com [192.52.69.11]) by pcpsj.pfcs.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA10540; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:37:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by mumps.pfcs.com with SMTP id AA20356 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:37:01 -0500 To: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Cc: Bruce Evans , darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:38:28 PST." <199611160738.XAA29171@MindBender.serv.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <20354.848133419@mumps.pfcs.com> From: Harlan Stenn Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can take the cable that has either the new seagate + CDrom and 4mm, or both old disks + CDrom and 4mm, and plug it in to the 174x system and everything works just fine. For this reason I'm inclined to think it's not a cable or termination problem. What are the odds I have a bad 2940 from the manufacturer? H From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 11:39:52 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA14851 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14846 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id LAA15366; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03855; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:38:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611161938.LAA03855@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Harlan Stenn cc: Bruce Evans , darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 16 Nov 96 03:36:59 -0400. <20354.848133419@mumps.pfcs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 11:37:19 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >I can take the cable that has either the new seagate + CDrom and 4mm, or >both old disks + CDrom and 4mm, and plug it in to the 174x system and >everything works just fine. For this reason I'm inclined to think it's >not a cable or termination problem. >What are the odds I have a bad 2940 from the manufacturer? I'm sure their quality control is quite good. But, it's not totally impossible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 12:52:12 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA17859 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17850 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id MAA16632; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:51:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04304; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:51:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199611162051.MAA04304@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol cc: Harlan Stenn , Bruce Evans , darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com, BRETT_GLASS@infoworld.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, rschof@mccomm.nl Subject: Re: After changing to an AHA2940 I can't boot the kernel. In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 16 Nov 96 11:37:19 -0800. <199611161938.LAA03855@MindBender.serv.net> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 12:51:10 -0800 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hardware@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>I can take the cable that has either the new seagate + CDrom and 4mm, or >>both old disks + CDrom and 4mm, and plug it in to the 174x system and >>everything works just fine. For this reason I'm inclined to think it's >>not a cable or termination problem. >>What are the odds I have a bad 2940 from the manufacturer? >I'm sure their quality control is quite good. But, it's not totally >impossible. I should add that I'd get the other two devices off the SCSI bus, first, before I'd suspect the card. It's more likely that one of the remaining devices is giving you problems. It's possible that one of your devices doesn't terminate "well", or is picky in some other fashion. For example, I have a machine with an internal SCSI hard drive, an external SCSI hard drive, and two SCSI CD-ROM drives in it. When I had it hooked up so the internal hard drive terminated that end of the chain, I got lots of weird SCSI hangs. It turned out that one of the CD-ROM drives just wasn't happy unless it was allowed to terminate the chain. Turning the termination off on the hard drive, and on for that CD-ROM drive (and switching the cable, of course), made everybody happy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 13:38:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21814 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:38:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from kaori.communique.net (kaori.Communique.Net [204.27.65.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21799; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by kaori.communique.net with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BBD3D3.E9063940@kaori.communique.net>; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:36:18 -0600 Message-ID: From: Raul Zighelboim To: "'freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org'" Cc: "'freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org'" Subject: kernel optimization and PCI ... Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:36:17 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk My system has two serial ports, using IRQ 3 and 4. I do not need those ports at all. I would like to set the system so that the PCI cards (adaptec 2940 - ahc0) and the SMC ethernet card (de0) would use those IRQs. Is this possible? Otherwise, what are the requirment/conditions that would allowed me to set # AUTO_EOI_2 on the kernel in a safe way ? Finnaly, my PPro 200 with 256Megs of ram seems to be unresponsive some times. It is specially slow to respond to the command (df). Is there somethin I should look into in particular ? System is FreeBSD 2.1.5 Thanks ------------------------ ------------------------ Raul Zighelboim Communique Inc. mailto:mango@communique.net http://www.communique.net From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 13:55:49 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22687 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22678; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 13:55:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.phk.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id WAA06564; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:55:30 +0100 (MET) To: Raul Zighelboim cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel optimization and PCI ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Nov 1996 15:36:17 CST." Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:55:30 +0100 Message-ID: <6562.848181330@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message , Raul Zighelboim writes: > >My system has two serial ports, using IRQ 3 and 4. >I do not need those ports at all. if you disable them in the bios, you should be able to reuse the irq's. >Otherwise, what are the requirment/conditions that would allowed me to >set # AUTO_EOI_2 on the kernel in a safe way ? Have you tried ? Most of the problems are with laptops I belive. >Finnaly, my PPro 200 with 256Megs of ram seems to be unresponsive some >times. It is specially slow to respond to the command (df). Is there >somethin I should look into in particular ? Doing a df forces all metadate to be written, that takes time. Watch with systat(1) and you can see it happen. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 14:52:11 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25645 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25618; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:52:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA30382; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:45:37 +1100 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:45:37 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611162245.JAA30382@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, mango@staff.communique.net Subject: Re: kernel optimization and PCI ... Cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >My system has two serial ports, using IRQ 3 and 4. >I do not need those ports at all. > >I would like to set the system so that the PCI cards (adaptec 2940 - >ahc0) and the SMC ethernet card (de0) would use those IRQs. Is this >possible? Don't know. >Otherwise, what are the requirment/conditions that would allowed me to >set # AUTO_EOI_2 on the kernel in a safe way ? Hardware that supports it. I think most does. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 14:56:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26040 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26035 for ; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 14:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.7.6/8.6.9) id JAA30586; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:52:20 +1100 Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:52:20 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199611162252.JAA30586@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: mango@staff.communique.net, phk@critter.tfs.com Subject: Re: kernel optimization and PCI ... Cc: freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Doing a df forces all metadate to be written, that takes time. Watch >with systat(1) and you can see it happen. It does? Where? ffs_statfs seems to just copy some data. df does a full sync for non-mounted file systems. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Nov 16 23:28:06 1996 Return-Path: owner-hardware Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA01732 for hardware-outgoing; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.177]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01726; Sat, 16 Nov 1996 23:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com (localhost.phk.dk [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA07112; Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:28:01 +0100 (MET) To: Bruce Evans cc: mango@staff.communique.net, freebsd-hardware@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel optimization and PCI ... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Nov 1996 09:52:20 +1100." <199611162252.JAA30586@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 08:28:00 +0100 Message-ID: <7110.848215680@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In message <199611162252.JAA30586@godzilla.zeta.org.au>, Bruce Evans writes: >>Doing a df forces all metadate to be written, that takes time. Watch >>with systat(1) and you can see it happen. > >It does? Where? ffs_statfs seems to just copy some data. df does a >full sync for non-mounted file systems. Huh, sync of non-mounted file systems ? How could you possibly do that... -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so.